channel 4's porn week

Filming two people fucking is a long way away from filming some guy stick his dick in a girls throat until she vomits.

I won't watch any of Channel 4's porn week, I can't imagine it would do anything other than make me angry and depressed.

Then again, I am a rambling prude.

So I wouldn't castigate everyone with the same iron. Besides, even some of those in the industry know fuckers like Max Hardcore are scum who need a good boot in the skull.

That being said, Max Hardcore is fucking creepy and should probably be shot. The Vivid video people seem to have their shit together in a fairly reasonable respectable way (see also Chloe and her cohorts)

yeah, frankie, the 38 year old, seemed so very vulnerable, but like she felt she needed to do it, to achieve something, to prove a point, by the end she seemed really lost. the third girl was attractive, but so very vacant. she seemed the happiest of the lot.

note: utterly not safe for work, or anywhere really

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M@x H@ardcore basically partakes in humiliation porn (or so it appeared to me, feel free to correct me) where a lot of water sports & vomit was involved. He got the girls to dress in the tiniest of young girl's outfits & some of them wore braces on their teeth. Just all a bit wrong to me.

i meant sabrina (?)... that she was/is a muslim was an interesting angle, but she didn't seem overly concerned by it. the seediness of the industry didn't seem to have registered - and i'm not saying all pornstars need to feel like victims, and its great in a way that she enjoys what she does (but what about all those who don't - consolidated's 'no answer for a dancer' to thread), but it seemed more like she was ignorant of what might be to come, than actually 'winning' the 'game'.

i don't know. there was something so sexless about the way she related her 'awakening' via sidney sheldon novels, etc... she seemed really sexless, child-like, etc.

on a maybe-related note i was remarking in a conversation today about how, in new york city, it seems quite socially acceptable* (and basically legal) to be a female dominatrix but not to be a prostitute. that seems strange to me, though i guess i can see the "this time the woman dominates" angle. just seems facile to replace one abuse of power with another. but hey, again, some people like it.

*at least within a certain milieu. or like in Voice ads or something. tho they have "escorts" and "massage services" too. how the fuck do progressive people working at the Voice feel about the pages and pages of degredation (not porn, but ads for WOMEN and MEN and TRANSEXUALS for hire)?

The head porn guy with the pony tail was a complete arse.

The doc last night - the guy with the ponytail goes under the moniker "superdick" I think as I've seen him on shows like this before. From the evidence last night he's a blatant misogynist and needs a good hard kicking.

But not in the same league as Max Hard Core - if you want to look into him then do a search on his name. I did after Monday's programme and, to be honest, I thought I was going to be sick after reading some of the shit he does. Speclums - gagging - vomiting - and by the way he's been charged with rape recently. I hope he goes down.

But evne he's not as bad as Rob Black, who I believe is the epitome of obscene (this is all an area I never want to understand. People who get off to this sort of thing - or even stuff like two men/ one woman - are pretty damn weird).

Sex is... well, sexy. Abuse and degradation is not, at all. Not to me at any rate. Piss, shit, abuse... wtf. I'm inclined to think this stuff that always existed but in a seriously small minority (and, apologies for bringing this into it but peado comes into this here too) has a far too wide audience now thanks to the 'net. It seems everywhere, but thats just ease of distribution and access that just wasnt around 15 years ago.

I mean I remember seeing a fairly run of the mill hardcore hetro porn mag as a teen and being quite startled by it. I'd hate to think what seeing that crap, and stuff like Suicide Girls and cutting and whatever on LJ, is doing to young girls. Oh god. How depressing.

(laff of the week - one of the latest suicide girls themes was some israeli chick who did a whole "exodus of my people" thing, and I am not joking, she was posing nude in the desert with a MATZO CRACKER obscuring her bits. W T F. )

Grrrrrrrrrr. I vehemently disagree that porn is damaging. Also I'm deadset against the idea that feminism and liking porn are exclusive: I love porn and I consider myself a feminist. (I jusy tried to google for my article on celebrity amateur porn but can't seem to find anymore, which is maybe for the best.)

No, no say it ain't so. Soft porn is often risable anyway, it really doesn't need help.

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i dated a girl who shaved downstairs all the time, but not always regularly enough. some times there would be loving rubbing down there, which in theory is *awesome but in reality was the rubbing of the most sensitive part of my body against 2 day old stubble that felt like glass paper.

this maybe why i am against the shaven thing, personally. i don't know.

re: porn. i love the 70s stuff. give me a girl with too much make up on and some really trashy oddball lingerie. its all about the costuming.

There was also a basic eroticism to old stylee pron - the acts depicted were arousing and interesting - shagging, oral sex, occasional bumsex etc - but now that's gone it seems.

These come together (DYS!) in unreal extremity porn - almost inventing new genres, niches and acts that aren't actually done because they are pleasurable in themselves, but because they are new etc. The currency in this new pron economy is female degradation - look, there's Annabel Ching fucking 330 guys, look there she is having TWO c0cks up her ars3, there's someone being jerked on by TWENTY GUYS, there's someone being verbally abused. It's nasty as hell.

What's more worrying is the way this focusses down onto sexual behaviour - a friend used to work on teenage girl's magazines, and said that where you get letters once saying 'my boyfriend wants to touch my breast and if I don't let him, he'll leave me', they now say 'my boyfriends say as he I won't let him come on my face, he'll leave me'.

For kids watching this shit with nothing in real life to compare it against, it becomes normalised. Add to the mix the growing insecurity of teenage girls (cutting, eating disorders etc) and you've got a nasty grubby degrading culture starting to take hold.

So - you know - you always had 'good' porn and 'bad' porn, so to speak.

Dave, I don't agree. There are cycles, true, but it's not one that results in more and more excessive porn. To link those two (teenage girls being demanded to let the guys come on their faces with porn) is a very dangerous thing to do. This has been much advocated by some feminists: porn leads to rape, which I don't agree with at all. (I should dig up those old porn pics from the 20s I have! Hilarious: a guy sitting in a sofa with socks, slippers and aerection and a half-clad girl behind him. It could have been your grandfather!)

But is it wrong, Nathalie? Do you honestly think 16 year old boys would demand such things if they hadn't been exposed to the images? It's a very simple equation - young, inexperienced, sexually naive males are going to take their lead from whatever they see around them, and if that makes them think "advanced" (trying to find a non-judgemental word there) sexual acts are something they expect/deserve, this surely adds to the pressure on both boys and girls at a vulnerable time in their lives?

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So I think Markelby probably has a point (and, for the record, having recently seen Deep Throat - in female company I may add - we all agreed that Linda Lovelace looked as if she was hating every second of swallowing a penis that far down).

But, in saying that, only the most retarded and/ or gullible male is going to view Max Hard Core and think, "Yeah that is what women want from sex" or even watch a Vivid tape and think, "Every girl must REALLY LOVE getting a wad of cum in her mouth".

Lets credit people with knowing the boundaries between fantasy and reality eh? Otherwise we'd all go haywire after watching slasher flicks.

(Deep Throat is a weird movie - not the best of the genre by any means)

eh. I didn't.

I know that I went out with a girl who went ballistic because she found a Playboy in my room and thought all men were potential rapists, spurned by a conservative upbringing and too much time reading classic Victorian novels (she actually believed any skirt over the knee made her and other girls 'sluts').

On the other hand, my gfriend - we're on/ off a lot to be fair - is really liberal with porn. Why shouldn't be? I've never given her reason to think I'm untrustworthy etc

'why dont you like her darling? shes got such a lovely pair!'

Yeah, that's actually kinda creepy.

Roasting - think of Newcastle United

what's a newcastle united (I'm 'murican)

(SORRY PLEASANT PLAINS)

That is really surreal about Bambi Woods. Has anyone else seen Debbie Does Dallas?

The documentary it's from, Frontline's "American Porn", can be watched online:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/

Porn lost (or loses) the plot for me when it becomes about circus act sex with little or no eroticism (which isn't to pine for the days of yore, which I find kind of cheesy - and the industry itself was even more misogynistic than the modern one), just one-upping from movie to movie and scene to scene. That seems like a very recent introduction, actually - if you read descriptions of product from 2001 and product from 2005 (from the same studio), it focuses much more on degrading women, choking/gagging/spitting, that whole ATM weirdness, 'triple anal!', etc. I assume it's caused by the ease with which anyone who owns a Mac and a DV camera can start a porn studio, they're all trying to find that one edge to sell more product.

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truly no winners there.

as for rape/killing fantasy, i agree that in porn it would seem creepy and weird for some reason, but i don't really know why, nor how to examine it. mainstream hollywood movies have plenty of women being killed in them, sometimes in gruesome ways. like, the fight scene between uma thurman and daryl hannah in the trailer in kill bill didn't bother me, but it would if they had lezzed up earlier? i don't know.

I can't think of any mainstream films that have fetishized or identified with a rapist/murderer. (Unless the porn in question doesn't glorify/fetishize/identify with the murderer, which I kind of doubt. And have no intention of finding out.)

Pink, I am guessing that violent/abusive porn ISN'T just aimed at the tiny minority with dubious/sick tastes. It's rather escapism for *normal* people. I guess I'm trying to say that the less "conventional" porn is, the more the user can disassociate it from his life - his actual love life, or his lack of love life, or the expectations society has in these areas. Instead, he has a ready-made fantasy world, and it's appealing in part because it IS a fantasy - it's not like anything he has to deal with, in any way or form, in real life.

"Oh Boy! Porn! That's where I'm a Viking!"

(NB - he wasn't referring to me, I kicked his bitchy little warp spider building ass back to the stoneage. Ahthankyow)