The Lebowski Cult

WTF!

come on faster you have 6 mins to gimme the plot cause ive just realised i gotta fly and i know what youre thinking lack of organisation on my part does not constitute and emergency plot giving on your part, but seriously i need to know before i go....

"this is what happens when you meet a stranger in the alps!"

Your "revolution" is over, Mr. Lebowski! Condolences! The bums lost!

i'm not a huge fan of the movie although it's got lots of good stuff (there's just a lot of really bad stuff in there too i don't care for).

but i kinda like that it's become a cult.

this guy can

You're an Irish Monk?

Will be screening a 35mm print of The Big Lebowski this evening at 6 PM. Free admission. Location: L0nd0n Fi1m Sch00l, 24 She1t0n Street WC2H.

Please keep it on the lowdown; the theater isn't huge.

www.louisville.edu/a-s/cchs/lebowski/index.html

i don't think my college will pay out :(

Check out the list of papers.

"Stacy Thompson, University of Wisconsin, Eau Clair
Obscene Enjoyment and the Port Huron Statement"

might be the funniest thing i've ever read.

http://www.1984produkts.com/kirtmanwaring/?p=168

how coincidental--my friend is having a big lebowski party tonight at a bowling alley. i'm djing.

i'm not a huge fan of the movie although it's got lots of good stuff (there's just a lot of really bad stuff in there too i don't care for).

but i kinda like that it's become a cult.

-- s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, May 7, 2005 8:51 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

slocki rvw of bl plz

Swear to God, a man who looked just like Walter Sobchak was sitting behind us at the diner last Saturday. He was even passive-aggressively explaining to the waitress the exact way he wanted his order presented.

# Anonymous Says:
February 22nd, 2005 at 1:56 pm

Jesus.

you said it, man

Lebowski Fest West anticipation building? Last year was fun. Recommended.

there's one in edinburgh, and something happening in bloomsbury. way to destroy the thing you love guyz.

Why is that destruction? I love it.

http://www.bfi.org.uk/booksvideo/books/catalogue/details.php?bookid=623

nomfup

I don't get it.

1) johnny-come-lately hackademics
2) 'Maybe I Can Impress Her With My Holy Grail Quotes'

OK I give up. Sentences are often very helpful constructions.

academics being interested in things is a sign they are over and boring. iron law. the other thing is obvious. also going to a meeting defined by fondness for a film every fucker likes is crazy, that's my 3).

The other thing is not obvious. #3, the Lebowski-fest is fun!

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BBP01006AA#LargeImage

oh mama

way to destroy the thing you love guyz.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Wednesday, 1 August 2007 08:34 (3 months ago) Link

Sorry to piss on your chips dude.

www.anchormanfest.com

jeez

http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=108426

helpful people are helpful

how coincidental--my friend is having a big lebowski party tonight at a bowling alley. i'm djing.

i'm not a huge fan of the movie although it's got lots of good stuff (there's just a lot of really bad stuff in there too i don't care for).

but i kinda like that it's become a cult.

-- s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, May 7, 2005 3:51 PM (2 years ago) Bookmark Link

backwards. good movie, obnoxious cult

Censored version is great. "Get out of my peaceful cab!"

"do you have to use so many...words?"

i saw this on boxing day. i think the tv channel had sped it up to like 1h50m somehow.

"This is what happens when you MEET a stranger IN THE ALPS."

oh shi, i hadn't heard about this phenomenon. didn't the same kind of thing happen with 'repo man'?

Yeah, Cox supervised a TV dub where, eg, "motherfucker" becomes "melon farmer".

What about that Charles Bronson movie where he really does play a melon farmer?

That's based on an Elmore Leonard book, can't remember what it's called. Saw it as a kid.

Mr Majestyk

Mr Majestyk, looked it up.

xpost lol

The NY Times has discovered the cult.

And then there's the documentary (which was probably linked above already). Official site of said film.

still never seen this movie & I'm pretty sure we have a dvd of it in the house somewhere

Same here!

This is the movie that made me realize how much I hated Julianne Moore.

i kinda sorta want to kill all of you

sorry I hate yr girlfriend Julianne Moore

she is my girlfriend and she's gonna fling paint on you while she's naked and suspended from overhead wires, FYI

thanks for the heads-up, consider my BBQ RSVP as a "decline"

the movie: good
people who quote the movie fucking INCESSANTLY whenever someone mentions it: not so good

Haha, otm. I had some friends who did this and I myself indulged in it for a while but then it never stopped and became really annoying.

you should have told them Shut the fuck up Donnie

You really think that would work? They would have just said "Have you been listening to The Dude's story, Donnie?"

Are we still talking about Mr. Majestyk?

Watched this last night, outdoors, downtown. Drank soy caucasians from a 2 gallon sport cooler. Hadn't watched the movie in a couple years, but I def. enjoyed watching it again -- seeing it in a public setting w/ lots of people made it much more enjoyable than watching at home would have been.

People who quote movies & tv shows in conversation are the most disgusting savages imo but Lebowski quoters are among the worst.

What if they're quoting the "This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps" line?

Speaking of fighting in the Alps:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KY1Ez0TsjN8/SmmYlcvsM3I/AAAAAAAAKgk/fsZcEvDQKMg/s1600-h/l_740aa06872cd43d3bc30316ee0be7c30.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KY1Ez0TsjN8/SmmYlcvsM3I/AAAAAAAAKgk/fsZcEvDQKMg/s1600-h/l_740aa06872cd43d3bc30316ee0be7c30.jpg

Not gonna be able to make it.

Me neither. I did attend the party for the trailer for the movie though.

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http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-51568362379717_2065_230532365

a documentary about people who like the big lebowski. yeesh.

i feel like they should just make a giant documentary out of wikipedia so they stop making movies like that.

http://www.runleiarun.com/lebowski/

So someone re-wrote the Big Lebowski as a Shakespearean play. It's very thorough.

THE KNAVE
Thou bringest a cur to ninepins?

WALTER
I bring naught to ninepins. The dog is not attired by my hand to play at sport, nor do I fetch it ale, nor shall he throw thy bowl-turn in thy stead.

They've done a remarkable job of it. Several lols already.

ok there goes my weekend

what the fuck it's tenpins

trying really hard to hate this but its really well-done

x-post

Skittles or ninepins back in Shakespeare's time, by the look of it.

And yeah, it's terrific - he breaks out some lovely rhyming bits.

ha ok fuck it, max is right, just the personae is making me lol

this movie is like in the bottom 5 of coen brothers movies tbh

trying really hard to hate this but its really well-done

― max, Thursday, January 7, 2010 11:01 AM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark

yup

BONNIE
And a lady of good housekeeping and agriculture besides, minded to economy and all practicalities. Were thou to bring a gentle cock to mine bed-chamber, I might help him to success for ten shillings.

THE KNAVE
Such a lady of talents I have scarcely seen.

BRANDT
Yes, a most forthright jest! Free of spirit and good generosity, she is the nimble nymph of Neptune, and we mark her with good humour.

BONNIE
Free of spirit but ne’er free for flesh. Were I to regale thee with parts of my humour, I would not bid Brandt hear the play ere he paid a shilling himself.

Well that's my evening sorted, reading this.

trying really hard to hate this and succeeding

THE KNAVE
Yea, well, that be, forsooth, thy opinion, sir.

WALTER
Words, words, words. I’ll speak.
A glooming peace this morning with it brings:
The sun, for sorrow, will not show his head.
We come here to have talk of these sad things;
Of Donald, he who in his life bowlèd.
He was a straight and true bowler, and a virtuous man. He was of our sort, a man who loved the woods free from peril of the envious court. And he loved bowling well. He knew the pebbles on the hungry beach. And yea, he was a bowler most avid. And a fair friend, who never can be old. He died as did so many of his generation, ere his time. In Thy wisdom, Lord, Thou didst take him, as Thou took so many bright flowering young men, i’ the jungles of the Orient. These young men gave their lives, and Donald too; Donald who loved to play at ninepins.
And so, Sir Donald, in fairest accordance
With what your wishes last well might have been,
We make commitment of your last remains
To the deep bosom of the ocean buried,
A peaceful progress to the ocean, which
You loved so well. Now cracks a bowler’s heart.
[He scatters the ashes]
Good night, sweet prince,
And flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.

this must be, let's face it, the high point of your life so far LJ?

trying really hard to hate this and succeeding

― Patriarchy Oppression Machine (history mayne), Thursday, January 7, 2010 11:37 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

haha i knew if anyone was going to come out against this piece of internet culture it would be you

if i'd seen this at the age of 18 or 19, yes. it's kinda 'sophomorish' but nicely enough done. given a sufficient understanding of shakespearean tropes it kinda writes itself, which is why i'm not overly impressed but yeah it's probably worthwhile. wanted to see what they'd do with that speech tbh

your continued diminishing light worries me

dude have you seen me on the hitchcock thread? i like old movies better now

boooooooo-ring

this movie is like in the bottom 5 of coen brothers movies tbh

― steady mmmobyn (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, January 7, 2010 10:09 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

zzz

The Hudsucker Proxy
The Big Lebowski
The Man Who Wasn't There
Intolerable Cruelty
The Ladykillers

these 5 were always "meh" to me

lebowski is way better than o brother
but we dont want to turn this into 'one of those' threads

concurrent hits exceeded

^^not very shakespearean tbh

ok there goes my weekend

― Not a reactionary git, just an idiot. (darraghmac),

You can even download it as a .pdf. Suggested to a friend we should get together and read it aloud, high school Shakespeare study-style

not even trying particularly hard to hate it, succeeding

u r lame

stoners be majorin' in English

Still waiting for Beckett's "Dude, Where's My Car"

or better still, "Dude, Where's My Caretaker"

Live on stage, NYCers
http://www.dm-theatrics.com/

Porn version trailer - NSFW (no nudity though just some naughty words - I think)

Nice production values.

lolol

yeah that looks pretty slick actually

saw this on a big screen at brooklyn bridge park tonight. Reminded me that underneath all the quotables it's a really magnificent piece of filmmaking.

is it

slocki rvw of bl plz

― and what, Thursday, June 7, 2007 10:46 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark

Watched the porn parody trailer. Excellent. Skimming through some of the others too. The Seinfeld ones are bad, the 70's Show one was pretty good, and the X-Files one was completely WTF. There's an actual supernatural mystery in it and the actress playing Scully looks a little too much like Gillian Anderson for comfort.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/coen-brothers-really-looking-forward-to-seeing-tar,51322/

The sad thing is that there are probably millions that would love to see that sequel.

I'd love to see a Lebowski sequel.

http://www.pendleton-usa.com/catalog/search.cmd?form_state=searchForm&keyword=dude&keyword_entry=dude&x=0&y=0#tabs

ha

just saw somewhere this morning that the actual sweater he wore is up for auction and the current bid is $11,000. O_O

fucking disgusting!

That's just like, your opinion man.

took a girl to the flicks to see this at 16. she didn't really get it.

strongly vaginal

Saw this film for first time at weekend and liked it. Was only dimly aware of the film before and didn't know it had a big cult with people quoting lines etc

Live cast reunion. Pretty fun
http://www.livestream.com/thebiglebowski

playing in a Jersey City movie palace tonight

http://loewsjersey.org/alt/

went, there were of course guys in bowling shirts attending.

Even less funny than I remembered, has its strange charms though. I am wondering if Goodman's Walter was meant as a cartoony rip of David Mamet -- similar beard, crazed Zionist etc.

took a girl to the flicks to see this at 16. she didn't really get it.

she mighta got you, tho

i think walter is meant to be john milius!

so sez this:

One of the inspirations for the character of Walter is the Coen Brothers' friend, writer-director John Milius, an infamously bombastic right-winger with an obsession with all things militaristic and an enthusiasm for guns. His girth, beard, hair style, and shades are also all reflected in Walter's physical appearance.

Yes, I would've said the same several minutes ago if Comcast weren't the shittiest internet provider in the world.

I'd think seeing Lebowski amongst THE FANS would kinda ruin the movie.

no, it wasn't a particularly intrusive experience. Great theater tho.

You mean it hasn't turned into a Rocky Horror midnight sacrament thing yet? "A toe? I can get you a toe, Dude."

in a nutshell: The Big Sleep is funnier.

Took you since Friday to formulate that?

i'm not about speed, maaaaaaaaan.

wai u waste time & money going to watch a movie for which you are lukewarm at best?!?

I've known about this 'cult' for years but I've still never seen the movie.

Which is weird considering how much I like Jeff Bridges.

if i were a bit younger and more shiftless, i could totally be down w/ the Big Lebowski/Church of the Dude cult. better them than the rocky horror lot.

anyone (in a movie or IRL) who loves CCR & bowling and hates the Eagles is A-OK in my book.

morbs preemptively bumping this thread may nudge intrade's odds on this as #1 ilx comedy

anyway, the big sleep makes less sense, which is not always the same as being funnier

A line like "He fixes the cable?" is a cute cheap laugh, but doesn't fit the character, who probably would be quite familiar with porn tropes.

what?

that is the joke

pretty sure the dude is being a dry wit there

also possibly morbs

totally fits the character. i'm not sure about his porn viewing habits, but he was being sarcastic which is something he does often.

don't think The Dude was all that familiar w/ early Internet-era porn/porn tropes (Ben Gazzara RIP).

so he's a stoner AND a moron? certainly worthy of being celebrated as a hero by a generation, then. xxxxxp

lol, I detected no sarcasm ever.

also the cremation ashes blowing in someone's face when Mel Brooks did it in Life Stinks.

Eitroll you fucking moron asshole, the repairman stud has been a porn trope since your grandma worked in the business.

I really don't know how the dude could have said "He fixes the cable?" any more sarcastically than he did.

Sherry in 'Logjammin': [on video] You must be here to fix the cable.
Maude Lebowski: Lord. You can imagine where it goes from here.
The Dude: He fixes the cable?
Maude Lebowski: Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.

Morbs, did you really think The Dude was going to a cash machine after meeting Bunny?

c'mon, I don't even remember anything to do w/ a cash machine 4 days after seeing it. ciao cultists.

- "where's the money Lebowski"
*pulls head out of toilet*
- "i'm sure it's in there somewhere"

sarcasm!

terrifying stuff

The bums lost

I've known about this 'cult' for years but I've still never seen the movie.

Worth watching. An entertaining couple of hours and with all the shitty movies out there, it's nice to know there's a good one you have to look forward to. You'll understand the cult aspect of it soon enough after you've seen it. Like most cult films, it creates a demi-monde the cultist can retreat into.

Yeah, every line in this is quotable.

Morbius, you must have missed the reference to Vengeance Is Mine that would have won you over

oh great, I'm going to be hearing every Morbius post in Stewie Grifin's voice from here on out

Eitroll you fucking moron asshole, the repairman stud has been a porn trope since your grandma worked in the business.

well now, for all of yer repping for "sophisticated golden age comedies" we now know why you prefer puerile amateurish and lame horseshit like clerks over ghostbusters or judd apatow movies. except that even Kevin Smith is good for a funny "yo mama" joke at least, which is apparently beyond yer skills.

also, if you had said something like that about either of my grandmothers to my face IRL the only thing that would stop me from putting my foot in yer ass (besides the lame stupidity of yer joke) is the fact that you'd like it.

Just take it easy man.

No one likes to be called a fucking moron asshole. Getting a bit warm about it is just kinda how that works out.

No one likes to be trolled daily by a lame attorney for two months either. Which would not happen in the PHYSICAL world ("IRL"), guaranteed.

"The bums lost" -- Jonathan Rosenbaum seems to think TBL is a political allegory (Port Huron Statement etc).

yes, i can verify from experience that no one likes getting trolled [caps]for weeks if not months on end[/caps], ahem

oh god, politics threads, i forgot: YEARS

this might be a bad time but I love that Walter is based on Milius! This explains EVERYTHING to me.

smh at you, morbs

a) you have met and it was cool
b) you are threatening physical violence about bullshit, basically (ie comedy movies!)
c) eisbaer is a phillies/jets fan, which is as ripe for ridicule as anything i've ever seen, but no, you wanna kick ass
d) you may both be older than i am?
e) i mean come on
f) smgdh

i agree w/ you, mookie. this is tiresome nonsense and it will stop here and now. which will be easy enough for me b/c i really have no interest in interacting w/ morbz either online or IRL.

I've shrugged it off before, he just keeps at it. (Nothing to do w/ comedy movies, REALLY. ENBB isn't pissing me off and her taste is worse.) I've had a miserable 5 weeks on other fronts; done talking to/about him.

BACK TO TOPIC: What does the Dude represent? The Left? The right to cruise through life in the lowest gear? Seems just like a shaggy dude story to me.

Yikes

oh, you ppl

pontiuspilate.jpg

no kiddin, I spent an hour washing my hands after that FAP -- ba dum bum

Somebody needs to wash this thread. Sheesh.

from commentaries i remember, coens wanted to make a chandleresque winding story but wanted the central character to be someone totally ill-equipped for it. the dude is based on a real person, nobody famous (then) but i gather you can meet this charming burnout at one of those LA-area lebowski get-togethers.

lebowski's 60s-era political verbiage ("port huron" etc) is probably native to the original guy and/or the coens showing off/flattering their audience a little. i don't think he represents anything.

the most overtly political movie of theirs is probably "burn after reading"

Yeah I think if anything Dude just represents the "burned out hippie" archetype...like the Kombi van character in "Cars" (sorry it was the only one I could think of at short notice)

the most overtly political movie of theirs is probably "burn after reading"

But the takeaway there is "everyone's a clown" (admittedly close to my heart, but not esp political)

yeah BAR seems political but it's just kind of a tarp they throw over the movie

I think they have a bit of the nihilist in them, where eveyone's a target. like Trey & Matt/Southpark, but not quite as crazy with it.

VG otm. i don't know that any movie of theirs reveals a distinct political bias or viewpoint. basic POV seems pretty close to nihilism, though of a moralistic sort that relishes punishment and respects decency.

TBL's just full of 60s ghosts; it's not so much that the movie's political as that everyone in it is a casualty of 25-year-old politics, from the dude to walter to the big lebowski himself, who lives in a reaganite fantasy world created by money that doesn't actually belong to him, and hires a guy to brag to guests about the time he stood next to nancy. if the movie Takes A Side it's with the burnt-out failure who peaked in 68 but works to be decent to his friends (the dude going to his landlord's "dance cycle" is kind of like fargo's mike yamaguchi scene: the hero ministers patiently to the weird and damaged) rather than with the secret burnt-out failure who gloats YOUR REVOLUTION IS OVER, MR. LEBOWSKI but turns out to be the unnecessary appendage of someone else's trust fund. although he is apparently a genuine spinal. all of this kind of thing is more setting than Point.

HEY! MORBS! Leave me out of this nonsense. There is a huge difference between funniest movie and BEST movies. I picked those on funniest and I stand by them. Most of them. Also, I have awesome taste. :/

no problem w/ me, my mom likes the wrong films too

xp dlh: good post

This movie is great. My wife professes not to like it, but she watched it about once, when it came out, when she was about 15. We must revist.

And yeah, dlh OTM. It's totally about people living in a world that developed after they'd stopped developing.

i never thought abt the landlords dance as equiv to the mike yanagita scene but thats def valid

Yanagita is a little more creepy. I feel more sympathetic towards the landlord.

he's pretty cool about the rent situation

BAR seemed political to me because on the surface it's another one of their fuckup black-comic capers, on autopilot a little bit, but with a sense of place (it's washington!! these people rule us! there's a war on!) as heavy as fargo

It's totally about people living in a world that developed after they'd stopped developing.

so, Walter is stuck in Nam and Dude in college. Anti-New Left AND anti-vet?

As suggested upthread by someone, their (Coen's) nihilism is multi-directional.

it's even aimed at other nihilists!

i don't think i'd thought about how sweet it was that the dude not only remembered his landlord's dance cycle, but attended it, and with his friends in tow too. awww.

i never thought abt the landlords dance as equiv to the mike yanagita scene but thats def valid

Nah, it doesn't serve the same function at all. The Yanagita scene serves the plot in Fargo by reminding Margie that people are sometimes self-serving liars, which triggers her return to Jerry's dealership. The dancing landlord is just a humorous detour on the Lebowski freeway.

the coens have always spent time on little asides that seem out of left field but end up being v important

i'm not really convinced of the political arguments re: lebowski. everybody seems not lost so much as enclosed. the movie is mostly about language. everybody has their own version of it, but has trouble speaking anybody else's, even as they (the dude esp) can't help but repeat phrases picked up elsewhere. it's almost rococo. the situations are there as a kind of playground for the twists of dialogue, which fits into the coens' nihilism: none of these people really matter morally but it's entertaining to watch them not-matter and not know it. in a certain light it's really callous and unkind to the vietnam experience, whatever side of it you had. minting up a specific language is something they do in just about every movie but lebowski is the outer limit of it i think.

setting it during the first gulf war, i don't even think that has any meaning, except to say that the war itself was a bit meaningless ("this is not a worthy adversary" "this aggression will not stand, man"). like, "haha gulf war 1 u remember that lol"

There are times when I want to sit outside my house on a Saturday afternoon, and shout at the families walking the neighborhood, "SHOMER FUCKING SHABBOS!"

yeah I mean as much as the Dude is an archetype, even if Walter is based on a real-life person, there's definitely something of the archetype about him too, and placing the timeline within the context of the Gulf-War helps, I dunno, 'explain' his combat vest and war-speak, I mean it's not a huge leap to think that a character within that archetype would be in a more heightened state of mind.

it's not that you can't interpret Lebowski through politics -- you can. it's just that it doesn't really go anywhere, because once you start pulling at those threads you realize they go nowhere, which is the joke that the Coens are playing with their 'semi meaningful' context/characters.

everything seems like it SHOULD be significant. But that's the fun - it's not. (Well, fun for me. maybe not fun for everyone)

ENBB isn't pissing me off and her taste is worse.

You are beyond help.

ENBB is amazing and I will fite to defend her! *dukes up*

hey y'all if i get to dr morbius age and i'm posting like that someone take me out back and shoot me

thanks for the advance notice

Don't worry, I'm a weakling.

The viewing of the landlord's dance has the great bit where they plan the visit to Larry's house -"We'll go there after the what-have-you" in which they discuss Larry's dad's professional bona fides -"the bulk of the series"- and the proximity of his residence the In-and-Out Burger.

is this your homework larry?

so, Walter is stuck in Nam and Dude in college. Anti-New Left AND anti-vet?

there is an in-depth political analysis of this film somewhere online (coulda sworn it was ref'd here somewhere) that goes into this but yes that is basically how it breaks down, and it's all posited in the context of the Iraq War. The two extremes - right and left as represented by Walter/Milius and the Dude/some producer whose name I can't remember - and Donny is the hapless American political center, oblivious to what's going on, and patronized in equal measure by the two poles. Also, the one who gets murdered.

sometimes I think that you shouldn't watch movies if you are THAT into politics, lol

kind of a cool theory though

tbf there's a lot of political refs in the movie ("line in the sand", "this will not stand", Nancy Reagan etc)

Buscemi has a heart attack, Shakey, turn in yr bowling ball

dlh's description is sharper than the movie I've seen a few times. I like it fine.

Have always felt that the reactions to each and every Coen Brothers vary so widely from person to person that they could be successfully used to generate some kind of psychological personality profile

don't you dare

:)

I like it when John Goodman is shooting people in Barton Fink and when John Turturro gets shot in Miller's Crossing and when Steve Buscemi gets fed into the woodchipper in Fargo and when Steve Buscemi has the heart attack in The Big Lebowski and when the hula hoops are rolling down the street in The Hudsucker Proxy. WHAT DOES IT MEAN?!?

It means you will soon be with child

Nothing. Sometimes a hula hoop is just a hula hoop

it means you picked 5 movies from their Empty Period

it's hilarious that you think the "empty" period ENDS with The Movie That Wasn't There

"it's high time they stopped with all these rote genre pastiches and made...a black and white noir flick"

lol I hope that was intentional

my tribute to 'a serious movie'?

I meant calling it the Movie That Wasn't There

yes...that was intentional, and my tribute to someone in the comedy poll thread accidentally referring to "a serious man" as "a serious movie"

o i c

What are your 4 fave Coens again Morbs?

probably

Raising Arizona
A Serious Man
No Country
Intolerable Cruelty / Blood Simple / Man Who Wasn't

No The Naked Man?

I can't say enough how much I loved A Serious Man

Intolerable Cruelty was so bad.

it really was

They were clearly floundering with this run

2001 The Man Who Wasn't There
2003 Intolerable Cruelty
2004 The Ladykillers

you've convinced me

WHY THE FUCK DO I?

xp

Sometimes (and I mean this in a completely value-neutral way), I don't think I understand your tastes even a little bit, Morbs.

You're kind of the xhuxk of ILE.

In that particular respect, I mean.

The Man Who Wasn't There was good, I don't know why everyone gets so spazzy about it.

I haven't seen Intolerable Cruelty.

Wow you rate No Country? I thought you hated that!

Xp to morbs

I'd have to see it again to know if it was good or bad, as The Man Who Wasn't There was the first Coen film to leave absolutely no impression on me whatsoever.

No Country = my usual pat answer for 'favorite movie ever?'

When I was just out of high school, I was kind of obsessed with Faulkner. A lot of the friends & drinking acquaintances of mine didn't get that at all, but there was one dude who was kind of an amateur movie buff who loved Coen bros. films, and he used to tell me how he heard that they always cited Light in August as their favorite novel. I used to bug him that we shd write up some kind of screenplay adaptation of LiA and send it off to the Coens, but y'know...

The two books may have some arguable similarities (joe christmas could be viewed as the cold-cipher racially-ambiguous archetype that Chigurh draws from) but the two novelsarent really all that comparable; and yet I always regard NCFOM as the irl equivalent of that projected movie I wanted us to write...

(No I haven't seen Barton Fink)

man who wasn't there is pretty great - feels too obvious to state but 1.) the way it plays with genre tropes and 2.) the minimalism of billy bob thornton's performance

I still haven't seen NCFOM because I wanted to read the book first. Which I didn't do because I wanted to finish the Border Trilogy first. Which I failed to do by about a hundred pages. Story of my life, writ small.

dude you don't need to read the border trilogy to read NCFOM. And honestly NCFOM is a pretty fast read once you get past the whole no quotations for dialog thing.

and then read the Border Trilogy.

AND THEN READ BLOOD MERIDIAN BECAUSE IT'S THE BEST EVER

When I say there's no comparison between the two books, it is implied that I meant between LiA and what I know about No Country from the movie; only McCarthy I've read all the way through is Outer Dark

this may be heresy, but I don't think it would be that much of a transgression to see NCFOM before reading the book. They're ridiculously close afaic, and I think having those characters in your mind when you read the book wouldn't hurt your experience at all.

kinda like the joy for someone who saw their True Grit version, to go back and read Portis' novel. It only adds to the flavor of the book, rather than the usual book-to-movie experience of detracting from it.

imo

You're kind of the xhuxk of ILE.

Now there's a topic.

dude you don't need to read the border trilogy to read NCFOM.

Yeah, I know I don't have to, outside of the very specific rules that I set for myself regarding things like this inside of my own defective brain. It's all a moot point, anyway, until I get my books out of storage or procure a library card, so...

tl;dr, EXCUSES EXCUSES EXCUSES

:)

tl;dr? Your attention span might be worse than mine!

(BRB, reading Beloved before I watch the movie I've put off seeing for 14 years.)

ugh that movie

I know you're joking but please don't see that movie

I probably won't actually see that movie. But at least 67% of why I haven't seen that movie thus far is the reason I stated above.

(I really only apply this rule to books that I am reasonably sure will be good. Like, I didn't think seeing The Help was going to ruin the experience of reading the book...that I have pretty much no intention of ever reading.)

guys stop being so mean to xhuxk, he's not even here

Didn't mean that as a knock on xhuxk, just that it'd be an interesting comparison. I see some similarities and many huge differences. And not in a million years would I start posting about them here.

I didn't read it as mean. xhuxk always pulls out random albums that you wouldn't figure him as a fan of...I think D was just saying Morbs occasionally does that too, where you think he's all silent movies and BOOM here's Bulworth

I am all good movies

Yeah, VG got it. T'weren't meant as a knock on nobody, just an observation about their respective critical inscrutabilities.

I have followed the path of "Watch No Country - Do not read the book"

I can't say enough how much I loved A Serious Man

Yeah, me too! I keep thinking back to this. Must rewatch soon.

I'm interested in that long-winded political analysis of TBL if anyone finds it...

read NCFOM, try to keep pace with the book, imo

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tCJyFMcR2Kg/TiNuWMc2HvI/AAAAAAAAAK8/HFqMQJ_S9Vo/s1600/BigLebowski_123Pyxurz.jpg

RIP man

awful lot of very intense sweater action going on in this flick

RIP man(s)

totally forgot about the perfect obit pull quote

"Strong men, also cry. Strong men. Also cry."

Your Revolution is Over, Lebowski! Condolences! The Bums Lost!

Cowards! Men who have never achieved on a level field of play.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1-TrAvp_xs

uh oh

Siddhant Adlakha hears that John Turturro has written and is currently directing “a Big Lebowski spin-off centered around Turturro’s Jesus Quintana character.” Going Places “takes its plot from the 1974 comedy Les Valseuses: two petty thieves, Turturro’s Jesus and [Bobby] Cannavale’s Petey, compete to give a woman [Audrey Tautou] her first orgasm after she’s roped into their hijinks. [Susan] Sarandon also ends up in their company, playing a criminal who just got out after a long stint in prison.”

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/08/17/jesus-returns-in-going-places-a-spin-off-to-the-big-lebowski

since you have FAILED to achieve -- even in the modest task that was your charge --

Your Revolution is Over, Lebowski! Condolences! The Bums Lost!

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, August 5, 2016 2:17 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was really tempted to yell this at some douchebag with a confederate flag sticker on his truck a couple weeks ago. Instead I just giggled a lot about it.

is there a reason why Turturro doing a cartoonish Latino accent would not be considered contemptible minstrelsy in the current culture? or do i not know all the rules?

As one of the board's more easily offended latinos, I've gotta say that the character doesn't strike as milking laffs from accent/ethnicity as much as general weirdness. I find the character a bit too broad and unfunny for other reasons, but I hardly feel implicated by stereotype. (Which is, essentially, my filter for offense-taking.)

that sounds terrible and seems like there's no reason to reprise the jesus character for the scenario. of all the ppl in the movie why is the sex offender the one getting another look.

between this and that idiotic-sounding gigolo movie i'm wondering about turturro a little

maybe i'm wrong, but the things that make the jesus character memorable aren't, except perhaps for the exaggerated accent, really congruent with prevailing stereotypes of latinos. he's a caricature but i'm not certain it's a caricature of any idea of latino-ness. i might be wrong about this!

the coens certainly aren't immune from having regressive stereotypes and plot lines in their films. seen in that context i can understand someone being offended.

x-posts

worse yet it's ALSO a remake of a perfectly fine Bertrand Blier film

from when Gerard Depardieu was both good and attractive

when?

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/17/1410940524885_wps_54_Gerard_Depardieu_French_a.jpg

(but nevertheless, the Jesus character is pointedly Latin : his name is Jesus Quintana, and his introduction is set to a mariachi tunes, if I remember. He's a sexual predator in a hair-net, and he tongues his bowling ball. He's got odd jewelry and a painted fingernail. But I remember the salient bits of his characterization as leaning more on outmoded homophobic/effeminization tropes than Latin ones.

then

https://uncouthreflections.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/valseuses.png

thx for your take, remy; i thought maybe Pacino had just given his "wor'less piece o' chit" Free Pass to Turturro.

Soooooo...will it be Turturro or Cannavale that takes the bullet to the scrotum?

One of the inspirations for the character of Walter is the Coen Brothers' friend, writer-director John Milius, an infamously bombastic right-winger with an obsession with all things militaristic and an enthusiasm for guns. His girth, beard, hair style, and shades are also all reflected in Walter's physical appearance.

OMFG yes. I see it now. My thinking about the case had become so uptight.

lol

love it!

This is my all-time favorite film. It's given me and my grown kids a shared language that brings us endless joy. One of my favorite aspects is that it would be very difficult, if not impossible, to set it anywhere other than Los Angeles.

Sioux City sarsaparilla?

that’s a good one