It's North Atlantic/East Pacific Hurricane Season!

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Whoo, first of June already. It feels like yesterday my state got smacked down by Charley, Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne. (Bonnie didn't do anything aside from spawn a tornado in northern Jacksonville.) As a tropical cyclone buff (who has gone through at least fifteen tropical systems in the past eleven years due to my location -- more tropical systems strike the Panama City area than anywhere else in the United States and they almost always move northeast through here), I'm always excited and antsy around this time of year, usually in wondering whether the next big storm will paralyse my city for a week or two by mowing all the pine trees down or if it will be strong enough make the southern fringe of the city beachfront property (not an impossible scenario).

Discuss tropical systems, rant about them, muse on them, ask questions about them, relate anecdotes here, share the details of hurricane footage, whatever.

Ian Riese-Moraine's all but an ark-lark! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

el niños tend to weaken hurricane seasons. (though I stress "tend to")

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

..which is good.. for the people in the south atlantic.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

however, it does make the chance of a hurricane hitting SoCal slightly more probable (and i stress "slightly" a LOT)

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:20 (twenty years ago)

tucson got two shitkicker t-storms last week.

The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:23 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, the South Atlantic had THREE tropical systems last year, and one of them hit southern Brazil as the equivalent of a medium category 1 hurricane. That's just unheard of. There was a system that formed off of Angola in 1991 and a few years later I think another system formed close to South America.

Ian Riese-Moraine's all but an ark-lark! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

Well, AZ gets the most lightning strikes per year than any other part of the U.S., so that's sounds par. I'm talking about the once-every-50-years storm that hits SoCal that reshapes the coastal line.

Balboa Island, in Newport Beach, exists only because of one big fucking tropical storm in the 40s or 50s that made landfall in O.C. that essentially moved a shitload of sand closer west. (unless this is an urban myth? Elvis T shoud have the lowdown here.)

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

More lightning strikes than (Central) Florida? I'm surprised!

The last time a tropical system made landfall in California as a tropical storm was 1939, so I suppose that makes sense.

Ian Riese-Moraine's all but an ark-lark! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 22:40 (twenty years ago)

Balboa Island, in Newport Beach, exists only because of one big fucking tropical storm in the 40s or 50s that made landfall in O.C. that essentially moved a shitload of sand closer west. (unless this is an urban myth? Elvis T shoud have the lowdown here.)

Urban myth. Balboa Island was originally a sandbar that was extended into a full "island" in 1908 by dredging the harbor and piling the sand on top of the island. Lido and Linda Isle were also built the same way - make an island and then turn around and sell lots on the sand for $$$$.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

From an oc r3gist3r article in august 2004..

The only tropical system to make landfall in Orange County in the past century was an unnamed system that struck on Sept. 24, 1939, during a heat wave that sent the temperature to a record 119 degrees in Orange. The storm's winds were blowing about 50 mph when it made landfall. The system lashed parts of Orange County with 5 inches of rain, swamping and capsizing boats in Newport Harbor, including the Jolly Tom. One of the Jolly Tom's passengers drowned and five were injured.

The combination of wind and rain was severe enough to kill 48 people across Southern California.

..which sounds like a picnic compared to an annual southeast hurricane, no doubt.. but SoCal has little to zero idea of how to deal with major tropical storms, so when/if one does happen, it will suck bigtime.

In any case, it seemed like someone fused this history with the creation of Balboa Island. I stand corrected.

donut debonair (donut), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 23:10 (twenty years ago)

50 miles per hour? That's a fucking picnic indeed! In comparison, when Jeanne and Frances got up to my area they were about that strong and all they did was turn the streets green by blowing loads of leaves from the trees. Had it rained more from those systems (actually, Jeanne dropped the most rain here out of the four systems that affected Tallahassee -- Charley was the only one we dodged) we might've had a fatality or two from someone being swept into a drainage ditch. Admittedly, this is 65 years later in an area vastly more vulnerable to tropical systems (and so we're more prepared for them), hence why I said "in comparison."

Ian Riese-Moraine's all but an ark-lark! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 1 June 2005 23:51 (twenty years ago)

Fun weather facts about California

I can't find any pictures online, but the photos of the 1949 snowstorm in SoCal are amazing.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:31 (twenty years ago)

driving from pensacola to mobile last december, i saw the effects of ivan. i have never seen such devastation on such a large scale in my life. totally fucked. and still yet nothing compared to the tsunami.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:33 (twenty years ago)

Science marches onward!

A Florida businessman who claims he once made a thundercloud disappear from Doppler radar says he can take the fury out of hurricanes, too.

Washington, DC -- Peter Cordani isn't a meteorologist or even a weather aficionado. He's just a Florida CEO sick of seeing his state pounded by hurricanes.

As head honcho at Dyn-O-Mat, a maker of environmental absorbents, it dawned on Cordani about five years ago that his company's patented Dyn-O-Gel might have the power to take the punch out of hurricanes.

His first true test of the theory came in July 2001, when the company used a B-57 bomber to attack a thunderclap with the super absorbent polymer in the waters off Palm Beach. The storm evaporated completely from Doppler radar, according to Cordani.

"It was an incredible moment," he said.

Bolstered by the success of the field test, Cordani gathered a team of scientists and investors, plus a convoy of 747 jetliners from Evergreen Aviation in Colorado, for the mother of all trials.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:39 (twenty years ago)

that story is tailor-made to be a coen brothers movie.

The Pinup Girls of YANK (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 2 June 2005 04:47 (twenty years ago)

Or a KUBRICK one!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

Depending on how it plays out, I mean.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 2 June 2005 12:16 (twenty years ago)

I read an article about him last year before Ivan hit, or maybe Jeanne, and he was planning on trying to weaken one of those systems.

Ian Riese-Moraine's all but an ark-lark! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 2 June 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

There we go! I finally found this silly thread! I don't know why it wouldn't come up when I searched the exact title earlier.

Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Saturday, 11 June 2005 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, as I reported elsewhere:

Tropical Storm Arlene should be up this way by Saturday. I wanted to post it in my 2005 Hurricane Season thread and I've been searching for it but I can't find it at all. Did someone delete it?

-- Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (eastern_mantr...), June 9th, 2005.

Allright, Tropical Storm Arlene's at 60 miles per hour and cruising through the Gulf in a northerly direction. We've already had some rain associated with the outflow of convection and we're under a tropical storm warning. Sweet.

-- Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (eastern_mantr...), June 10th, 2005.

Latest update: 70 miles per hour and they keep moving the projected path further east and now the tropical storm warnings have been extended even further east. However, it's going north-northwest now, but we'll still get a lot of rain out of it (despite it having drizzled the entire day).

Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Saturday, 11 June 2005 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

Still 70 MPH, jogging NW at 16, heading toward Pensacola/Mobile where there's a lot of debris and where they don't need this sort of system. Hurricane warnings now up. Good night, see you all tomorrow.

Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Saturday, 11 June 2005 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

70 MPH, moved way to the west overnight, Pensacola-Mobile supposed to get pounded by sixteen foot waves and plenty of wind. My area's not going to get anything else but a breeze even though the forecast says we'll have heavy rain and wind all day. I think we've seen the last of it over here, unfortunately. I'd rather that we take the brunt of it instead of Pensacola.

Ian Riese-Moraine. Exposing ambitious careerists as charlatans since 1986. (East, Saturday, 11 June 2005 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

We get hit bad in Rhode Island sometimes, but not in the past few years. Late 80's / early 90's were bad.

Cool Hand Luuke (ex machina), Saturday, 11 June 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

Like Hurricane Bob, if I'm not mistaken?

Ian Riese-Moraine comes explosive! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 11 June 2005 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Arlene down to 60 mph, will make landfall on Perdido Key (Alabama/Florida state line) in the next hour. We're getting a spiral band now and I'm quite surprised at this -- apparently the bands became more organized this afternoon. Mind you, I'm 200 miles away from the centre of the system, so it's nothing terrible.

Ian Riese-Moraine comes explosive! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 11 June 2005 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

It's beginning to make landfall in Pensacola. Funnily enough, I was supposed to go a wedding there today. Postponed, obviously.

Ian Riese-Moraine comes explosive! (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 11 June 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
Bret made landfall in Mexico the other day, Cindy near hurricane force and bearing down on Louisiana and Mississippi, Dennis expected to strengthen over the next 36 hours, cut between Jamaica and Cuba, cross the western part of Cuba, and cruise northward into the eastern Gulf. It'll be pretty strong by that time and there's not really anything to interrupt its strengthening (aside from Cuban landfall).

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

Cindy made landfall near Grand Isle, now downgraded and extratropical. Dennis is a Category 1 hurricane and I'm feeling a disturbance in the force from this, an utmost sense of dread I've never experienced from learning about any system that has the possibility of threatening my area. There's a strong high pressure a few hundred miles off the Atlantic coast (which pulled Cindy around it and caused it to strike the central Gulf coast), a trough over east Texas/western Louisiana that's slowly trudging eastwar, and a stationary front about two hundred miles to the north of the Gulf coast. This means that Dennis will likely get sucked through up to my region, and considering that there's warm water the entire way and very little land to encounter (just Jamaica and western Cuba), it'll strengthen like a motherfucker. I'm guessing it'll be at least a Category 3 if not a Category 4 by the time it makes landfall in the States. Considering that the projected path places it over Pensacola right now and how storms always seem to head way to the right of where it's projected to go, I think this part of Florida's in for a lashing it's been long overdue for.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 7 July 2005 00:51 (nineteen years ago)

In the past three hours, Dennis has jumped from having sustained winds of 90 mph (Category 1) to 105 mph. Fuck. It's still on the approach to Jamaica.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 7 July 2005 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

Okay -- Florida State's predicting exactly what I think Dennis will do. Mind you, they've got probably the best meteorology program in the nation. The blue line goes right over Tallahassee.

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/mm5/archive/2005070700/DENNIS.track.png

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 7 July 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

They've always been very accurate, too. They were practically spot on with Ivan, Jeanne, Charley, and Frances last year, for example.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Thursday, 7 July 2005 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

Dennis bypassed Jamaica yesterday, skirted across Cabo Cruz in Cuba, made landfall again in Cuba as a Category 4, and has dropped from 150 (6 hours ago) to 135 now, and it'll probably take a few more hours for it to reenter the water in the Gulf. The Keys will undoubtedly get hammered (Cuba, needlessly to say, is being pounded like dough) and there's already a Hurricane Watch in effect from the Louisiana/Mississippi border to the Steinhatchee River well to southeast of my city.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 8 July 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

I fucking hate where I live sometimes. Tornadoes from the north and hurricanes from the south, and we don't even get the benefit of a reacharound snow in the winter.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Friday, 8 July 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

Haha! Very understandable. My city hasn't seen snow in 12 years, which is very sad because it used to snow every four years.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 8 July 2005 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

I'm in Boston and the last few days have been WET WET WET WET and COLD. I could have stayed in Seattle if I wanted this kind of summer weather. Supposedly this is the remnant of an earlier tropical storm or something.

Lots of luck to the ILXors in the path of Dennis. I hope it doesn't trash you guys too badly.

lyra (lyra), Friday, 8 July 2005 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that would be from Cindy.

Ian Riese-Moraine has been xeroxed into a conduit! (Eastern Mantra), Friday, 8 July 2005 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

I got diarrhea!

Hurricane of Poo, Saturday, 9 July 2005 01:45 (nineteen years ago)

Hurricane Garu makes landfall on the Crap Coast?

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it's in the Gulf now, 150 miles west of Key West, and I still don't understand why it's going due north now but I think I'm going to rule out that it'll come directly this way. Pensacola/Mobile must brace themselves for the third time in ten months. Give them a break! I'd rather we take one for them -- the last report of a major hurricane I've read about going directly over Tallahassee was a storm in 1854, so we're LOOONG overdue.

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 9 July 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

We're getting a really nasty spiral band, woo-hoo!

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Saturday, 9 July 2005 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

Well, we're about to get tropical storm force winds, the rain's been relentless, and it's heading due north now, just as I thought it would -- admittedly it's more to the west than I expect, but I doubt it'll jog much more to the west. It's due south of Destin and Fort Walton Beach and has been making jogs northeastward toward Panama City. If it does head that way, we'll be screwed because we're almost due northeast of there, and even in Category 1 storms we'll be paralysed for a week because we have so many pines and whatnot and they'll snap right over and leaves/grass/debris will entirely obscure the streets. So, if I don't come back for a while, we're probably out of power for a couple of days. I don't know if that will happen or not, but it's not out of the question.

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 10 July 2005 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

Amusing Dennis Bit #1: CNN is having to rely on local affiliates for some of their coverage (understandably). One guy who just spent a few minutes on-camera was wearing a hat with a FOX logo.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 10 July 2005 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

That happens more frequently than you'd expect!

The power only flickered once here. It's been very blustery, more so than it was with Bonnie, Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne last year. Each system has been a little more damaging here in Tallahassee than the one preceding it and I think it's nature's way of preparing this city for something devastating soon considering that the last major hurricane to pass almost directly over this vicinity was in 1851. Nonetheless, I don't think we'll see much more rain out of this (although another squall's literally just coming in -- it's raining out immediately in front of my flat but it hasn't arrived at the back of it), and the winds will likely decrease on through the evening. As for debris, there's plenty of leaves strewn and branches down, some pretty large -- the largest one fell not even two feet from the trunk of a police car (that "belongs" to an officer in the apartment building to the left of mine). The rain kept blowing into the windows as if my flat were inside a car wash, and the peak gusts around here were about gale-force. It's been quite fun to watch, even if gusts have blown open our door about four times (we've walked outside a bit and returned inside without bolting the door, that's why)!

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

It only started to rain here about 45 minutes ago, not more than a light sprinkle yet.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

ian, just to let you know, we may not be posting too much, but this is pretty much making national news headlines all across the city papers here.. so kudos to you braving it out and seeing your posts. I'm sure we're all checking this out.

The one thing I remember from "being in the middle of a hurricane" footage was the weird thing where toilet water receded and if you stuck a wadded up tissue in there, the toilet would vacuum it up. That was really weird to see. I forget the physics explanation related to why that happens.

donut e- (donut), Sunday, 10 July 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

It's fine, donut. I'm sure people have been reading it although they night not have had much to say. I created the thread because tropical systems excite me, especially if they're aiming toward the Florida panhandle. I've endured at least fifteen tropical systems (their impacts ranging from peripheral and minor to being immediately overhead and not-so-minor) since 1994, so it's pretty common.

The toilet thing's possibly related to the ultra-low pressure in a hurricane, but I'm probably wrong about that.

There's apparently a tropical wave halfway between the Lesser Antilles and Cape Verde's and it might be a tropical depression by tomorrow at the latest. I wonder where that'll head, considering that the Bermuda high will likely still be parked in the same spot as it always is in summer and serve undoubtedly as a steerring mechanism provided that the system goes far enough west and survives.

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 10 July 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

Time for crashzzzzzzz.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 11 July 2005 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

Ian, I'm in Auburn, AL, and it's been about the same as you described here. Limbs and leaves all over the road, relentless rain, and some pretty fierce winds, but things have settled down now. I even drove across town about an hour ago without any trouble.

How are things in Tallahassee?

Matt P., Monday, 11 July 2005 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

It's been very pleasant, but one of the spiral bands has been sweeping west to east annd back to the west and then to the east again across my area. Lots of tree debris, and most locations reported about eight inches of rain overall from the storm. About twenty miles south of here on the coast they got hammered, and mind you I'm about 170 miles east of where it made landfall (near Woodlawn Beach and Navarre Beach, between Pensacola and Fort Walton Beach). The towns of Shell Point, St. Marks, Live Oak Island, and Spring Creek are flooded by the storm surge (which washes up pretty easily in hurricanes because the Apalachee Bay is so long and shallow and all the winds were coming onshore). U.S. Highway 98 (which parallels the Gulf Coast from Mobile eastward to Perry, about 50 miles southeast of here) was closed for about a 70 mile stretch from Apalachicola to Medart (20 miles southwest of here) and was washed out as usual in Panacea, Lanark Village, and Carrabelle, and the road on Alligator Point (which juts into the Apalachee Bay) was also washed out and flooded to the point of being impassible. Winds were much higher on the immediate coast -- well over tropical storm force, with gusts between gale-force up to hurricane-force. The storm surge was about six to nine feet (probably higher in Apalachicola, because the winds there were coming from the east for a while and all the water from the St. George Sound and Apalachicola Bay and the mouth of the Apalachicola River came right into the downtown). My grandmother came back to Panama City from Jacksonville Friday (and yes, my mother and I tried to talk her out of this) claiming that she had papers to gather and the house to prepare (when my uncle that lives with her could easily have done it himself, and my other uncle that's a carpenter surely would've helped, too) and more branches and whatnot fell into her yard during the storm, and the gusts there were about 90 miles per hour (sustained winds were gale-force). They didn't get as much rain as we did, though -- we always seem to get the spiral bands, which march like a train through here and so we'll have hours of squally weather. I don't know how my numerous relatives in the Pensacola area fared -- they all live east of the city in Gulf Breeze, Milton, and Bagdad, and the latter two towns had the eye of Dennis pass directly over them. These communities of course were heavily damaged by Ivan -- my great-aunt still hasn't had her house fixed because they've been battling the insurance companies, just as most people there have. (The entire town of Navarre still had damage to every single building there two weeks ago when a co-worker of my mother's went through there. Said co-workers parents JUST moved down to Milton last week. What a way to greet them. Florida isn't typically like this, of course, but we do receive a slough of tropical systems even though they're usually far less catastrophic.)

Oy, it looks like there'll be an Emily threatening the central Caribbean as a hurricane by Friday. Hmmm...

Ian Riese-Moraine: that obscure object of desire. (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 11 July 2005 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

A bit of a fizzle. Three inches of rain here during the night, not much wind to speak of.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 11 July 2005 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Rock Hardy, are you going to have to evacuate?

k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 28 August 2005 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

He'll have to board up at least -- it'll still be hurricane-force to the Tennessee/Mississippi border. I wish the media would inform everyone as far up as Kentucky that they should board up their windows in preparation. Considering that it's a Category 5 now, this storm should be very easy for anyone to take seriously.

God, I'm so scared for New Orleans. This is the storm they've always dreaded. I was reading an article yesterday from 2000 and apparently if the hurricane were to damage some of the plants around there parts of New Orleans might be uninhabitable for a long time. The water might take about ten weeks to recede, too. Hurricane Betsy (a Category 3 at the time of landfall in 1965) made half of the city flooded with over 20 feet of water and it took a long time to recede -- this storm prompted the city to build that extensive system of levees, which will be no match for Katrina if it is supposed to make a direct hit as anticipated. My paternal grandparents (who lived in Metairie at the time) had some tales about that storm!

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 28 August 2005 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks for the revive, k/l. I meant to write here the other day.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 28 August 2005 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, just to put Katrina into perspective -- the pressure dropped to 908 millibars. Hurricane Camille was 909 millibars at its peak.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 28 August 2005 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

my sister hauled ass up to baton rouge, but me and my dad are gonna ride it out at my grandparents' in the bedroom.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Sunday, 28 August 2005 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

my sister hauled ass up to baton rouge, but me and my dad are gonna ride it out at my grandparents' in the bedroom. wish us luck.

Fetchboy (Felcher), Sunday, 28 August 2005 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

We're not evacuating and we're not boarding up (unless you want to come up here and do it for us, Ian). Here's what I'm getting from NOAA right now for my ZIP code:

Monday: Periods of showers and thunderstorms. High around 84. Windy, with a east northeast wind 10 to 15 mph increasing to between 20 and 25 mph. Winds could gust as high as 35 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New rainfall amounts between three quarters and one inch possible.

Monday Night: Periods of showers and thunderstorms. Low near 72. Windy, with a east wind 25 to 30 mph increasing to between 40 and 45 mph. Winds could gust as high as 60 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New rainfall amounts between two and three inches possible.

Tuesday: Periods of showers and thunderstorms. High around 88. Windy, with a north wind 45 to 50 mph decreasing to between 15 and 20 mph. Winds could gust as high as 70 mph. Chance of precipitation is 90%. New rainfall amounts between one and two inches possible.

It suits my mood. Let the motherfucker come and do what it wants.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 August 2005 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

We're not going to get anything out of this one, although I'd rather we take the brunt of it than Pensacola/Mobile/New Orleans. Best of luck to you, fetch! William, your forecast is possibly an extreme understatement, considering that the forecasts for New Orleans and Biloxi both say sustained winds will be between 80-100 mph and we know the system is MUCH stronger than that. I'm sure it won't be necessary to evacuate up there but a bit of plywood can make all the difference.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 28 August 2005 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

Oh my fucking God! It's 175 miles per hour!

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 28 August 2005 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

It dropped a millibar in the last update. The local meteorologist thinks New Orleans will cease to exist after this storm, and I halfway believe it.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 28 August 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

The pressure's lowered another four millibars in the past hour (down to 902 mb) -- which of course means further intensification. Only the 1935 Labour Day Hurricane (200 mph+) that smashed through the Keys had a lower pressure measured at landfall, at 892 mb.

The gusts inside the eyewall of Katrina are up to 215 mph.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

This is terrifying.

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

I live in Miami and got my power restored 26 hrs after Katerina plowed through the county. If that bitch packed that much power as a Category 1, I cannot begin to imagine the damage wrought by winds over 175 mphs. I survived Andrew in '92 and it doesn't compare.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

Truly. It's so big that apparently we'll get at least 4.5 inches of rain tonight and tomorrow from the spiral bands. Mind you, it's a seven-hour drive from here to New Orleans. (xpost)

I was wondering whether power was back on yet for most of Miami-Dade. I have a friend in Fort Lauderdale and I know she totally breaks out if the air conditioning isn't on to keep her cool. Going through Frances and Jeanne was torture for her, and I'm sure this was too.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

About 500,000 people in Miami-Dade and Broward counties remain without power.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

This from the National Weather Service (they transmit in caps)

THIS IS FROM THE NWS IN NEW ORLEANS..DEVESTATING DAMAGE EXPECTED...HURRICANE KATRINA...A MOST POWERFUL HURRICANE WITH UNPRECEDENTED STRENGTH...RIVALING THE INTENSITY OF HURRICANE CAMILLE IN 1969. MOST OF THE AREA WILL BE UNINHABITABLE FOR WEEKS..PERHAPS LONGER. AT LEAST ONE HALF OF WELL CONSTRUCTED HOMES WILL HAVE ROOF AND WALL FAILURE. ALL GABLED ROOFS WILL FAIL LEAVING MOST HOMES DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. THE MAJORITY OF INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WILL BE NON FUNCTIONAL. PARTIAL TO COMPLETE WALL AND ROOF FAILURE IS EXPECTED. ALL WOOD FRAME LOW RISING APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL BE DESTROYED. CONCRETE BLOCK LOW RISE APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SUSTAIN MAJOR DAMAGE...INCLUDING SOME WALL AND ROOF FAILURE. HIGH RISE OFFICE AND APARTMENT BUILDINGS WILL SWAY DANGEROUSLY...A FEW TO THE POINT OF TOTAL COLLAPSE. ALL WINDOWS WILL BLOW OUT. AIRBORNE DEBRIS WILL BE WIDESPREAD...AND MAY INCLUDE HEAVY ITEMS SUCH AS HOUSEHOLD APPLIANCES AND EVEN LIGHT VEHICLES. SPORT UTILITY VEHICLES AND LIGHT TRUCKS WILL BE MOVED. THE BLOWN DEBRIS WILL CREATE ADDITIONAL DESTRUCTION. PERSONS..PETS..AND LIVESTOCK WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK..POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS..AND MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS..THE VAST MAJORITY OF TREES WILL BE SNAPPED OR UPROOTED ONLY THE HEARTIEST WILL REMAIN STANDING...BUT TOTALLY DEFOLIATED..FEW CROPS WILL REMAIN, LIVESTOCK LEFT EXPOSED TO THE WINDS WILL BE KILLED..

stet (stet), Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

my grandparents recently moved back to san diego after living for 10 years in lafourche parish, 1-2 hours south of new orleans (they lived in thibodaux, to be exact).

i am SO relieved they live here now. love and prayers for everyone still there!

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

stet, that reads like a bad practical joke. In my experience, NOAA doesn't say things like "PERSONS..PETS..AND LIVESTOCK WILL FACE CERTAIN DEATH IF STRUCK..POWER OUTAGES WILL LAST FOR WEEKS..AND MOST POWER POLES WILL BE DOWN AND TRANSFORMERS DESTROYED. WATER SHORTAGES WILL MAKE HUMAN SUFFERING INCREDIBLE BY MODERN STANDARDS

So, let's have a link to that text at NOAA, please.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 August 2005 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

regardless of true or false NOAA reports, can I just say..all my love and hope to everyone in SE Louisiana, S Mississippi, Tennessee, and anyone else in the projected Katrina path?

donut gon' nut (donut), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

The Stratfor elves, meanwhile, just posted this:

A Category 5 hurricane, the most severe type measured, Katrina has been reported heading directly toward the city of New Orleans. This would be a human catastrophe, since New Orleans sits in a bowl below sea level. However, Katrina is not only moving on New Orleans. It also is moving on the Port of Southern Louisiana. Were it to strike directly and furiously, Katrina would not only take a massive human toll, but also an enormous geopolitical one.

The Port of Southern Louisiana is the fifth-largest port in the world in terms of tonnage, and the largest port in the United States. The only global ports larger are Singapore, Rotterdam, Shanghai and Hong Kong. It is bigger than Houston, Chiba and Nagoya, Antwerp and New York/New Jersey. It is a key link in U.S. imports and exports and critical to the global economy.

The Port of Southern Louisiana stretches up and down the Mississippi River for about 50 miles, running north and south of New Orleans from St. James to St. Charles Parish. It is the key port for the export of grains to the rest of the world -- corn, soybeans, wheat and animal feed. Midwestern farmers and global consumers depend on those exports. The United States imports crude oil, petrochemicals, steel, fertilizers and ores through the port. Fifteen percent of all U.S. exports by value go through the port. Nearly half of the exports go to Europe.

The Port of Southern Louisiana is a river port. It depends on the navigability of the Mississippi River. The Mississippi is notorious for changing its course, and in southern Louisiana -- indeed along much of its length -- levees both protect the land from its water and maintain its course and navigability. Dredging and other maintenance are constant and necessary to maintain its navigability. It is fragile.

If New Orleans is hit, the Port of Southern Louisiana, by definition, also will be hit. No one can predict the precise course of the storm or its consequences. However, if we speculate on worse-case scenarios the following consequences jump out:

The port might become in whole or part unusable if levees burst. If the damage to the river and port facilities could not be repaired within 30 days when the U.S. harvests are at their peak, the effect on global agricultural prices could be substantial.
There is a large refinery at Belle Chasse. It is the only refinery that is seriously threatened by the storm, but if it were to be inundated, 250,000 barrels per day would go off line. Moreover, the threat of environmental danger would be substantial.
About 2 percent of world crude production and roughly 25 percent of U.S.-produced crude comes from the Gulf of Mexico and already is affected by Katrina. Platforms in the path of Katrina have been evacuated but others continue pumping. If this follows normal patterns, most production will be back on line within hours or days. However, if a Category 5 hurricane (of which there have only been three others in history) has a different effect, the damage could be longer lasting. Depending on the effect on the Port of Southern Louisiana, the ability to ship could be affected.
A narrow, two-lane highway that handles approximately 10,000 vehicles a day, is used for transport of cargo and petroleum products and provides port access for thousands of employees is threatened with closure. A closure of as long as two weeks could rapidly push gasoline prices higher.

At a time when oil prices are in the mid-60-dollar range and starting to hurt, the hurricane has an obvious effect. However, it must be borne in mind that the Mississippi remains a key American shipping route, particularly for the export and import of a variety of primary commodities from grain to oil, as well as steel and rubber. Andrew Jackson fought hard to keep the British from taking New Orleans because he knew it was the main artery for U.S. trade with the world. He was right and its role has not changed since then.

This is not a prediction. We do not know the path of the storm and we cannot predict its effects. It is a warning that if a Category 5 hurricane hits the Port of Southern Louisiana and causes the damage that is merely at the outer reach of the probable, the effect on the global system will be substantial.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://weather.noaa.gov/pub/data/raw/ww/wwus74.klix.npw.lix.txt

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

Rock Hardy, you know best at this point, but combined with these reports and that NOAA link info...well, you know, I'd rather see y'all safe than sorry.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Rock hardy, that's the *point*. Here's the link

stet (stet), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

When Dennis made landfall I remember making a post about how the NWS issued a bulletin on flooding in the Ochlockonee River and at the very end of the post it said (in regard to approaching floodwaters) "TURN AROUND AND DO NOT DROWN" -- which struck me as a really strange way to be worded, as it sounds like a command. It doesn't surprise me that it reads like a bad practical joke.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

URGENT ADVISORY +++
NOISE BOARD AESTHETIC INFILTRATES NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, Jesus.

Well, if this is it, I guess it was nice knowing you, ILX. My last thoughts will be of Jon Williams. (As in "Why couldn't this have happened to him instead?")

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, a spiral band just went through here. Mind you, I'm seven hours away from New Orleans.

My paternal grandfather lives in Metairie but he could end up in Lake Pontchartrain for all I care. I hope my friend Catherine's left the city, though -- and hopefully not for Hattiesburg as they'll surely get fucked, too.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

On the bright side, we need the rain.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

if it's any consolation, while you're certainly going to get a lot of rain and wind, you're far far better off than in New Orleans right now.. still, I'm sure the "oomph" of the storm will have severely dimished by the time it hits central Mississippi.

donut gon' nut (donut), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

fucking hell! we're thinking of you. take care.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'm more concerned for N.O. than myself. I gather from Fetchboy's post that he lives in N.O. proper? That's where everybody needs to send the good vibes (though I appreciate everybody's concern).

Everybody ready for $4-5/gallon gas for a couple of weeks?

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

i'm guessing it's going to be more than a couple of weeks, unfortunately.

donut gon' nut (donut), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/originals/oilstorm/main.html

Vic Fluro, Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, I've got a friend living just outside the white zone above, and have been reading up on this one. Although people come up dealing doom and gloom all the time in these cases, even the normally sober are getting wound up. Good luck to everyone there, although anyone in New Orleans reading this instead of running away is, well, eh, wow.

stet (stet), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

How is New Orleans going to round-up the homeless population for evacuation? My impression is that area of the country has a lot of marginalized people who can't just jump into their cars and head out of town.

Has a whole city of this size ever been evacuated before? Seems like a logistical nightmare.

supercub, Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

they'll put them in the superdome. it can probably hold 20,000 people comfortably. (i bet they could crowd 100,000 into it if they needed to)

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/GIFS/ECI7.JPG
fuck!!

3, Sunday, 28 August 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

> superdome

Apparently there is talk of it flooding as well. One disaster worker called it, tastelessly, "stiff soup".

stet (stet), Sunday, 28 August 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2005/08/28/national/28cnd-super-line.jpg

davidabrunner, Sunday, 28 August 2005 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

(people lining-up to take refuge in the Superdome)

supercub, Sunday, 28 August 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Fetchboy, I hope yr. grandparents' house is three stories tall.

I'm off for groceries, and to fill the gas tanks and gas can.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 August 2005 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

How is New Orleans going to round-up the homeless population for evacuation? My impression is that area of the country has a lot of marginalized people who can't just jump into their cars and head out of town.

Has a whole city of this size ever been evacuated before? Seems like a logistical nightmare.

New Orleans used to take 72 hours to fully evacuate, but apparently they've redesigned the contraflow and so traffic's actually moving more smoothly once you leave the city proper. The Superdome could probably hold most of the 100,000 people that can't leave the city for whatever reason, but there is that definite concern for flooding (25-35 foot storm surge + rainfall + Lake Pontchartrain + Mississippi River + wave action on top of that).

During Hurricane Floyd 17,000,000 evaucated the East Coast, rather unnecessarily. Jacksonville was probably the largest of those cities to be emptied. It took 12 hours for people to drive to Tallahassee from there, and Interstate 10 was westbound only in all four lanes.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 28 August 2005 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

I read that there are several other evacuation centers besides the Superdome.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Sunday, 28 August 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

Most of the Louisiana National Guard is deployed to Iraq.

aimurchie (aimurchie), Sunday, 28 August 2005 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

Well, at least we don't have to fight the terrists over here.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 August 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

The Superdome seats around 70,000. Putting people onto the turf, you could do 100,000 easy. There's just the whole problem about it staying standing or not flooding.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Sunday, 28 August 2005 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry to say that what I'm dreading most is media coverage of the aftermath. You just know that the news will find someone who rode out Katrina on Bourbon Street with an inflatable boat, a bungee cord to tether it to a lamppost, and four cases of beer. And the media will refer to this assclown's survival as "miraculous" or "heroic," instead of "f***ing foolish."

j.lu (j.lu), Sunday, 28 August 2005 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

dang.

tikki tikki tembo no sa rembo chari bari ruchi pip peri pembo (Adrian Langston), Sunday, 28 August 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

the news will find someone who rode out Katrina on Bourbon Street with an inflatable boat, a bungee cord to tether it to a lamppost, and four cases of beer

if such a man exists, he is a symbol of all that makes america great

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 28 August 2005 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm just waiting for the Photoshops of CNN with taglines of "NEW ORLEANS 1718-2005" and "EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE" to show up from Fark and Something Awful, at this point.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Sunday, 28 August 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

we just finished boarding up the windows over here. it's a two story brick house right next to the mississippi river. the levee (which we can see through the back door) is about 25 ft. high and we're about as far away as can be from the lake on the east bank (the lake is gonna cuase the real flood problems). Also, this is one of the highest points in the area. it has never come close to flooding (including during hurricane betsy), and is usually the first suburb to get water pumped away, due to its inhabitants' affluence. we've got about 20+ gallons of water, shitloads of emergency supplies, non-perishable foods, and lots of beer (not that we're treating this like a hurricane party, but we're probably gonna be stuck here for a while with nothing to do after the storm).

fetchboyatthegramps, Sunday, 28 August 2005 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

just out of curiosity, why are you staying?

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 28 August 2005 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Good luck, man.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 August 2005 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

i wish i had gotten to see new orleans before it got killed

Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Sunday, 28 August 2005 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

>we just finished boarding up the windows over here. it's a two story brick house right next to the mississippi river. the levee (which we can see through the back door) is about 25 ft. high and we're about as far away as can be from the lake on the east bank (the lake is gonna cuase the real flood problems). Also, this is one of the highest points in the area. it has never come close to flooding (including during hurricane betsy), and is usually the first suburb to get water pumped away, due to its inhabitants' affluence. we've got about 20+ gallons of water, shitloads of emergency supplies, non-perishable foods, and lots of beer (not that we're treating this like a hurricane party, but we're probably gonna be stuck here for a while with nothing to do after the storm).<

You have balls. I don't know that this is the right course of action, but you have balls.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Sunday, 28 August 2005 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

It's not most of their National Guard -- it's 30% but that's still quite a lot.

fetchboy, you're fucking crazy, but I wish you the best. I'd like to be there just to watch the wind and rain, even though I possibly wouldn't live to talk about it.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Sunday, 28 August 2005 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

75 percent of me wants everyone to flee the area and run for cover, but there's that other 25 percent that's looking forward to some ass-kicking weather porn.

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 28 August 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha — Jody, I was thinking about starting a thread specific to this storm called "Bend Over Boyfriend Vol. 23: Katrina Rams It Home."

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 August 2005 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

the most unsettling part of the worst-case damage predictions is the stuff about the corpses being sucked up of the cemeteries and floating away in the flood.

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 28 August 2005 23:36 (nineteen years ago)

up of

up out of

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 28 August 2005 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

???

confusing, because one of the striking things i remember about my visits to lafourche parish was how they didn't really have graveyards - everyone is bured in above-ground mausoleums, because you hit water after like a foot of digging.

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 28 August 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

i guess lafourche is much more bayou than new orleans.

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 28 August 2005 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

new orleans has a lot of above-ground tombs too, but i forget whether they're all like that.

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 28 August 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

new orleans cemetary ... they are truly beautiful things, even more so because in some areas they are blended right into the urban landscape ... you'll have a one-block cemetary between a church and a hardware store.

vahid (vahid), Sunday, 28 August 2005 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, come on. Leave these people who are staying alone. They know the risks, and they've prepared for it as well. Batton down the hatches, tie yourself to a keg, and let Fate sort it out.

And admonishing Rock Hardy for not putting plywood up on his windows even though he lives a good three hundred or so miles away from the coast is ridiculous. I know it looks scary to the rest of us with Weather Channel dudes flopping around in their windbreakers, but I don't think that any TVA dams are going to break because of a hurricane.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 29 August 2005 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'm more interested in the Port of Southern Louisiana issue here.. although I hope everyone in NOLA gets through this and the aftermath ok.

I'm sure the port will be fine.. but if not... holy fucking shit. And that goes out to Europe!

donut gon' nut (donut), Monday, 29 August 2005 00:36 (nineteen years ago)

katrina pr0n:
http://flickr.com/groups/45871688@N00/pool/

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

Results 1 - 10 of about 219,000 for Katrina and the Waves

Best of luck to everyone in the area.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 29 August 2005 01:29 (nineteen years ago)

My building manager moved here (Denver) from New Orleans a year ago, and she told me at the time that the potential damage to New Orleans of one of these things was being way overstated by a sensationalist media. We'll see if she's right.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Monday, 29 August 2005 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

Fantastic:

http://media.putfile.com/foxnews

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 29 August 2005 02:39 (nineteen years ago)

Webcam at St. Charles & Napoleon, New Orleans

WWL TV in New Orleans

Storm Digest

General blog list tracking the storm.

All this from Instapundit -- I may not agree with Glenn Reynolds at all but I appreciate his thoroughness.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:02 (nineteen years ago)

From the Weather Underground blog:

Katrina has continued to expand in size, and now rivals Hurricane Gilbert and Hurricane Allen as the largest hurricanes in size. When hurricanes reach such enormous sizes, they tend to create their own upper-air environment, making them highly resistant to external wind shear. The global computer models are not really hinting at any wind shear that might affect Katrina before landfall, and the only thing that might weaken her is an eyewall replacement cycle. Even if one of these happens in the next 12 hours, the weakest Katrina is likely to get before landfall is a Category 4 hurricane with 145 mph winds. Katrina is so huge and powerful that she will still do incredible damage even at this level. The track forecast has not changed significantly, and the area from New Orleans to the Mississippi-Louisiana border is going to get a catastrophic blow. I put the odds of New Orleans getting its levees breached and the city submerged at about 70%. This scenario, which has been discussed extensively in literature I have read, could result in a death toll in the thousands, since many people will be unable or unwilling to get out of the city. I recommend that if you are trapped in New Orleans tomorrow, that you wear a life jacket and a helmet if you have them. High rise buildings may offer good refuge, but Katrina has the potential to knock down a high-rise building. A 25 foot storm surge and 30 - 40 foot high battering waves on top of that may be able to bring down a steel-reinforced high rise building. I don't believe a high rise building taller than six stories has ever been brought down by a hurricane, so this may not happen Monday, either. We are definitely in unknown waters with Katrina.

I have focused on New Orleans in much of my discussions about this storm, but Katrina will do tens of billions in damage all along the coast of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida. Mobile Bay could well see a 10-foot storm surge. And inland areas will take heavy damage as well; Katrina will still be a hurricane 180 miles inland, and cause widespread flooding throughout the Tennessee Valley.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

Blimey this isnt sounding good at all :/

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

Hang onto yr hats it's Wizard of Oz time. Bless all and remember to say a special hang in there to the city and its architecture.

Wiggy (Wiggy), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:16 (nineteen years ago)

It's terrible terrible terrible. In comparison Katrina was nothing, here in Miami Beach on Thursday night but now I have a very slightly better sense of what a real hurricane feels like. Won't get much sleep tonight, hoping for miracle in New Orleans.

Hi Ned, big hugs to you and LA

Thea (Thea), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:25 (nineteen years ago)

Heya! Good to hear from you -- we'll all be hoping for the best.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:27 (nineteen years ago)

You cannot kill that which does not live. I ask all gris-gris men and voodoo queens to start zombie-fyin' the town. Papa Legba's got some 'splanin' to do.

Seriously, I've only spent a little time there but I've been working at getting back ever since. I hope to make the place my home some day, if only for a few years. God bless the town and everyone in it and make sure they come through without too much devastation.

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

From the Brasilians in the house:
O Yemaja por favor para o furacão com seu poder suave de mar.

Thea (Thea), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:40 (nineteen years ago)

Watching the trees and rain in that webcam -- especially without sound -- is incredibly eerie.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:52 (nineteen years ago)

http://image.weather.com/images/maps/tropical/map_spectrop06_ltst_6nh_enus_600x405.jpg

gear (gear), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:56 (nineteen years ago)

and that was an hour ago!

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

right now, Weather Channel says that its borderline as to where it is in comparison to New Orleans. if it crosses the 90th parallel, its pretty much ruins. If it doesn't...well, it still practically will be. But the winds will be slightly slower. No matter what's, its going to be really, really bad.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

cnn sez katrina is now 170 miles south/southeast of new orleans.

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

Katrina may be 'our Asian tsunami'

Sunday, August 28, 2005; Posted: 10:46 p.m. EDT (02:46 GMT)

(CNN) -- Flooding expected from Hurricane Katrina could wreak catastrophe on New Orleans, overwhelming its water and sewage systems, damaging its structures and leaving survivors in a bowl of toxic soup, a top hurricane expert said Sunday.

Landfall is expected early Monday.

"We need to recognize we may be about to experience our equivalent of the Asian tsunami, in terms of the damage and the numbers of people that can be killed," said Ivor van Heerden, director of the Louisiana State University Public Health Research Center in Baton Rouge.

Some 25 feet of standing water is expected in many parts of the city -- almost twice the height of the average home -- and computer models suggest that more than 80 percent of buildings would be badly damaged or destroyed, he said. (Watch a report on the worst-case scenario)

Floodwaters from the east will carry toxic waste from the "Industrial Canal" area, nicknamed after the chemical plants there. From the west, floodwaters would flow through the Norco Destrehan Industrial Complex, which includes refineries and chemical plants, said van Heerden, who has studied computer models about the impact of a strong hurricane for four years.

"These chemical plants are going to start flying apart, just as the other buildings do," he predicted. "So, we have the potential for release of benzene, hydrochloric acid, chlorine and so on."

That could result in severe air and water pollution, he said.

In New Orleans, which lies below sea level, gas and diesel tanks are all located above ground for the same reason that bodies are buried above ground. In the event of a flood, "those tanks will start to float, shear their couplings, and we'll have the release of these rather volatile compounds," van Heerden added.

Because gasoline floats on water, "we could end up with some pretty severe and large -- area-wise -- fires."

"So, we're looking at a bowl full of highly contaminated water with contaminated air flowing around and, literally, very few places for anybody to go where they'll be safe."

He went further.

"So, imagine you're the poor person who decides not to evacuate: Your house will disintegrate around you. The best you'll be able to do is hang on to a light pole, and while you're hanging on, the fire ants from all the mounds -- of which there is two per yard on average -- will clamber up that same pole. And, eventually, the fire ants will win."

The levees intended to protect the city vary in height, from as low as 10 feet above sea level to about 14 feet, he said. They too are vulnerable, because they are made of earth, he said.

- Disaster waiting to happen -

Previous studies have suggested a catastrophic toll in lives and property if a major hurricane were to hit the New Orleans area, where about 1.3 million people live.

Walter Maestri, the emergency management chief in neighboring Jefferson Parish, said Hurricane Georges in 1998 could have killed as many as 44,000 people had it struck the city directly.

"The way it's described, we describe it here, is Lake Pontchartrain has now become Lake New Orleans," he told CNN in 2004.

Van Heerden said levees built to protect New Orleans from Lake Pontchartrain could be buffeted by waves from the lake, which is about 23 miles by 35 miles in area.

"You're going to have enormous waves develop on that lake, especially with as much as 14 hours of hurricane-force winds." Those waves will erode the levees, raising the possibility of their collapse, he said.

"This is what we've been saying has been going to happen for years," he said. "Unfortunately, it's coming true."

Rick Luettich, a professor at the University of North Carolina's Institute of Marine Sciences, compared Katrina's expected impact on areas far up the Mississippi to "grabbing the end of the bed cover and giving it a hard snap."

That snap will push "probably in excess of 10 feet" of floodwater up the river, he predicted. "It will propagate up the river like a wave," past Baton Rouge, more than 70 miles away, he said.

For 15 years, Luettich has been developing a hydrodynamic circulation model -- called AdCirc -- that he said the Federal Emergency Management Agency has endorsed to help emergency managers predict storm damage.

Apologizing for the possibility that his comment could be interpreted as somewhat ghoulish, he said, "This is, in some ways, a little bit exciting for us, because it's a real opportunity to test this technology we've developed and see how well it works."

gear (gear), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

i hope these guys look foolish tomorrow

gear (gear), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

Katrina may be 'our Asian tsunami'

am i the only one who wants to smack the people saying this upside their heads?

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:36 (nineteen years ago)

and what about "if the hurricane don't get you, the FIRE ANTS will!"

gear (gear), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

But what if they're right?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:39 (nineteen years ago)

have we linked to the "We Don't Run from Hurricanes, We Drink Them" signs from Hurricane Ivan last year?

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 29 August 2005 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

1:46 AM EDT:

http://image.weather.com/images/maps/tropical/map_spectrop07_ltst_6nh_enus_600x405.jpg

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://image.weather.com/web/radar/us_bix_closeradar_plus_usen.jpg

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 05:31 (nineteen years ago)

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/WEATHER/08/29/hurricane.katrina/top.0246.katrina.animate.gif

gear (gear), Monday, 29 August 2005 06:03 (nineteen years ago)

a collection of Livejournals of folks stuck in harms way:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/katrinacane/friends

being among a coupla dozen thousand strangers in the Superdome is not how i'd spend a monday...

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 29 August 2005 06:28 (nineteen years ago)

Blimey: I am gonna keep the windows open. BNig roof over-hang in the front of the building. In the back some water will get in, but it dripsd into the stairway. A bit of water in the stairway is the least of the landlord's problems at this point. If I can keep the pressure differential from getting too high (between outside & inside the building, I may be able to prevent the roof from rupturing.

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 29 August 2005 06:37 (nineteen years ago)

A friend in downtown Miami sat in her living room and watched while windows popped out one after the other in the condo high-rise across the street on Thursday. This was when the storm was only Category 1. It's at least Category 4 when it hits New Orleans. This person is insane.

Thea (Thea), Monday, 29 August 2005 06:43 (nineteen years ago)

I'm really worried about fetchboy - he said he was right on the river, hope he's going to be ok :/

Trayce (trayce), Monday, 29 August 2005 06:44 (nineteen years ago)

Now they're saying "helmets and lifejackets if you haven't evacuated". Imagine.

Thea (Thea), Monday, 29 August 2005 06:50 (nineteen years ago)

it's been downgraded to category 4 only because it's been 5 mph slower for the past hour which put it in the 4 range, but obv these distinctions are arbitrary and don't mean jack. i feel bad for the people who didn't even make it to the superdome...

Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Monday, 29 August 2005 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

That first green map looks totally fucking evil.
My best to Rock and fetch.

weather1ngda1eson (Brian), Monday, 29 August 2005 07:53 (nineteen years ago)

I'm really worried about fetchboy - he said he was right on the river, hope he's going to be ok :/

Strangely enough, beside the river is probably the highest point in New Orleans. I know the World Trade Center there (yes, they've got one) is at an elevation of about 10 metres, which is high for New Orleans (as some spots in the city are over 3 metres below sea level).

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of social estrangement. (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 29 August 2005 09:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://photos21.flickr.com/38133587_b80f0df6ad.jpg?v=0

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

gulp.

http://photos22.flickr.com/38204517_6b684b95d2.jpg?v=0

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:17 (nineteen years ago)

Some signs according to Brendan Loy that the eye might miss the city. Not sure whether that will alleviate anything...

Vic Fluro, Monday, 29 August 2005 11:18 (nineteen years ago)

the msnbc anchor reporting from new orleans says the city is "being blown apart bit by bit."

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

Good morning. Eight bells and nothing to report yet here.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

Good to know you survived the night Rock Hardy. Hope the day goes calmly.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

A before and after from when Camille struck in 1969.

http://bonaldi.thehold.net/wire/camillebefore.jpg

After:

http://bonaldi.thehold.net/wire/camilleafter.jpg

stet (stet), Monday, 29 August 2005 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

lordy.

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

No change from NOAA for my area regarding wind speeds and rain amounts, but the ETA is moved up from 7 a.m. tomorrow morning to 2 a.m. tonight. Schools are open today here as usual.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

Good luck, New Orleans, I'm thinking about you.

I tried to call Adam yesterday, but got the "all signals are busy" deal. I got through to a friend from the Hot 8 Brass Band, and he had left his house but checked into a hotel in the Quarter (!).

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

64,000 people in mobile, alabama are without power. extreme flooding.

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

the northwestern eyewall will be hitting new orleans within the next 60-90 min.

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

Reports that the Superdome roof is leaking. Uh-oh.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

i just heard that. water is falling on the seats.

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

It surprises me that they aren't giving assistance to people who would like to leave the city but can't afford to. Opening the superdome is one thing, but it might not be enough this time. Considering the millions that will be paid in disaster relief ... can they not stump up to bus people out?

stet (stet), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

i think a lot of the people in the superdome would like to leave the city but can't afford to.

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

A livejournal of stories from people who are staying.

stet (stet), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

i heard that there were ten other "last resort" centers open too.

morris garage (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

where do all the evacuees go to? do they go and stay with relatives? how far away from new orleans is considered 'safe'?

it must be a bit awful being stuck in that dome thing just waiting waiting waiting to see if your house gets wrecked, even more so if you're already down on your luck. would those folks have insurance? what happens if their houses get trashed? then where do they go?

gem (trisk), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

Mississippi Public Broadcasting is staying with Katrina coverage instead of the usual godless accursed NPR. I don't recommend large doses of these yahoos, but if anyone wants to listen in, it's here. (Windows Media Player stream only, damn their eyes.)

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

i'm sure they'll have insurance ... and then the insurance companies will use this as an excuse to whack up the premiums.

this is really quite horrific to read about; i keep hoping it somehow won't be as bad as everyone fears.

x-post: rock hardy, your blitz spirit is an example to us all!

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a little worried that we won't hear from Fetchboy for a long while because of power outages. unless he posts from a cellphone.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

Grimly, it's actually more of a bad "fuck the world" mood, but don't tell anybody.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 29 August 2005 12:38 (nineteen years ago)

Lower 9th Ward of New Orleans, on east side of city, under 5 to 6 feet of water after pumps fail, mayor says. Details soon.

--cnn

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 29 August 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

Aw shit.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 29 August 2005 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

Down to Cat 3 now.

We need a "Hurricane Porn: C/D" thread. Does Anderson Cooper REALLY need to file a report every 15 minutes. IT'S RAINING, I'M GETTING BLOWN AROUND BY THE WIND, LET ME TELL HOW WINDY IT IS, LOOK AT THAT BRIDGE OVER THERE, LOOK AT ME, ETC.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Monday, 29 August 2005 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

Dud. I can tolerate about five minutes every two hours, and that's only because I'm in the path.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 29 August 2005 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

This is a very poor disaster.

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 29 August 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

I seriously wanted some end of days type shit.

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 29 August 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/08/29/hurricane.katrina/index.html

cooper is INSANE, has been since he was on Channel One when I was in high school.

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 29 August 2005 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

I saw the "three deaths" thing right before I went to bed last night and was all like, 'woo hoo!' but then the added the suffix of '...nursing home residents...' and I was all like, 'that's so gay'

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 29 August 2005 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

With all due respect, fuck off, Jimmy.

Jordan (Jordan), Monday, 29 August 2005 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

Mississippi roads are under seven feet of water, boats are floating around at random, SLAMMING INTO BUILDINGS. Jesus.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 29 August 2005 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone have current pictures from NO?

Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 29 August 2005 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan OTM.

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 29 August 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

It's down to a Category 3. BBC says the levees are apparently mostly holding. Weatherman: "It's one of the worst storms to hit the US, not the worst storm."

stet (stet), Monday, 29 August 2005 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Damn, I bought all that PBR and Cheez Whiz for nothing?

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 29 August 2005 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Gimme.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 29 August 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050829/050829_superdome_hmed_8a.hlarge.jpg

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Monday, 29 August 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

http://us.news3.yimg.com/us.i2.yimg.com/p/ap/20050829/capt.ladm11408291538.hurricane_katrina_ladm114.jpg

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Monday, 29 August 2005 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Our alien overlords have landed too?

Adam In Real Life (nordicskilla), Monday, 29 August 2005 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Damn.

Promise Ian Riese-Moraine anything, give him catastrophe. (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 29 August 2005 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/rgin/closer1.gif

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Monday, 29 August 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

My husband and I dressed in our finest severe weather gear to go buy water and batteries at the local Publix supermarket on Thurs afternoon in the preliminary downpour before Katrina hit Miami. Galoshes, hoods, etc. The hordes in their usual shorts 'n flip flops stared at the novices as we sheepishly trudged down the aisles.

Thea (Thea), Monday, 29 August 2005 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Still looking for pictures from Grand Isle which was pretty close to where it made landfalll. I was there in January and the whole area is pretty much at sea level.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 29 August 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/050829/050829_destruction_hlrg_8a.hlarge.jpg

a pic from downtown NOLA...

donut gon' nut (donut), Monday, 29 August 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

Holy crap. That ALL CAPS BULLETIN FROM THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE ABOUT THE HUMAN SUFFERING AND OH THE HUMANITY! seems legitimate.

http://weather.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/iwszone?Sites=:laz062

I was wondering about that cgi-bin part, but I went to went to http://weather.noaa.gov and went down the menu to New Orleans and came back to it.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 29 August 2005 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

Everybody ready for $4-5/gallon gas for a couple of weeks?

These could be prescient words.

Retail Gas Prices Set to Hit New Highs

"Unfortunately, I don't think $3 a gallon is a hyperbolic number in some markets anymore."

o. nate (onate), Monday, 29 August 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Cantore said two hours ago from Gulfport that the hotel he was in is completely underwater on the first floor -- and the hotel was built a half-mile inland and 27 feet above sea level. I wouldn't be surprised if the Gulf's met the Back Bay of Biloxi by now.

The southern part of the Lake Pontchartrain Causeway's reportedly underwater.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of society's derangement. (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 29 August 2005 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

More about the extent of the damage and flooding in New Orleans.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of society's derangement. (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 29 August 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Downtown Mobile's underwater, too.

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of society's derangement. (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 29 August 2005 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

I just watched a cnn video and the reporter's feet were under water and that was just from rain run-off!! never mind any storm surge. blimey.

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 29 August 2005 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, I know that current events + eBay brings out unfathomable levels of weird, but...HURRICANE KATRINA WIND/RAIN FROM HALLANDALE FL 4 REAL

j.lu (j.lu), Monday, 29 August 2005 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

SHEPARD SMITH: You’re live on FOX News Channel, what are you doing?

MAN: Walking my dogs.

SMITH: Why are you still here? I’m just curious.

MAN: None of your fucking business.

SMITH: Oh that was a good answer, wasn’t it? That was live on international television. Thanks so much for that. You know we apologize.

d4niel coh3n (dayan), Monday, 29 August 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Hahahahaha!

Ian Riese-Moraine: a casualty of society's derangement. (Eastern Mantra), Monday, 29 August 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

2:23 p.m.: Looters Grab Things From Warehouses
A WDSU news crew just captured images of looters hauling items out of a New Orleans warehouse. People were seen using shopping carts and hand-held carts to haul off cleaning supplies, beer and other items. It's not clear yet where the video was shot. -- WDSU.com Web Staff

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Monday, 29 August 2005 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

cleaning supplies, beer and other items

I hate to haha but HAHA, wtf? These are my kinda looters.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 29 August 2005 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

Ugh

Though if they were looting the Fox News van I might look the other way

Thea (Thea), Monday, 29 August 2005 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

So was that what the foul-mouthed dog-walker was there for?

k/l (Ken L), Monday, 29 August 2005 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

Did anyone happen to catch the often played clips young african american teens dancing in waist deep water? (MSNBC)

the food has a top snake of 1 (ex machina), Monday, 29 August 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

NOW we're getting some weather.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Power flickered, but came back on a few seconds later. A big "fuck you" to all the news agencies saying "Louisiana isn't the only state bearing the brunt...Alabama is feeling it too." HELLO, there's a whole nother state between New Orleans and Mobile, assholes! (I'm looking at you, Weather Channel.)

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

i wonder if this'll affect my folks in suburban Loudon, TN.

kingfish 'doublescoop' moose tracks (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

WHY HAVEN'T YOU TAKEN SHELTER, ROCK HARDY? DID YOU FIND ENOUGH PLYWOOD FOR YOUR WINDOWS? QUIT TEMPTING FATE!!!!

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

DUDE, I UNPLUGGED MY PRINTER, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT MORE TO DO!!!1 OH NOES THE VORTEX

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 29 August 2005 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Power's still on.
I think the center is passing by here now, slightly to the west.
This ultra low pressure feels fucking weird.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Monday, 29 August 2005 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

What does it feel like?

stet (stet), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

so does anyone know if fetchboy was in a neighborhood that was severely affected by this?

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

Pleasant Plains be all "you Yankees don't know nothing 'bout Southern geography and storm paths an' such."

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

Gear, my understanding was that he was on the wealthy western elevated side as opposed to the poor eastern flooded side. But I'm sure he'll have some stories to tell when his power and cell phone come back on.

k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

k/l, you should see it when all the Yankee retirees flip out during their first tornado warning.

My grandmother in Memphis still insists that a hurricane hit her town a few years ago. Granted, it was some strong winds that knocked downtown around a bit and some folks didn't have power for a few weeks, BUT IT WASN'T A HURRICANE.

My Australian mother-in-law rang this afternoon to make sure that the hurricane hadn't hit Little Rock. It was mighty sweet of her.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 01:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://myspace-636.vo.llnwd.net/00207/63/68/207628636_l.gif

sux2bu (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

i'm really glad my dad and stepmom don't live in mobile any more. but i have some family in nawlins. looks like gulfport had the most damage, tho.

hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

30 confirmed deaths in biloxi.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 04:18 (nineteen years ago)

in new orleans there's a two-block-long breach in one of the levees and the water is pouring down canal street. water level rising very quickly.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 05:32 (nineteen years ago)

I saw the "three deaths" thing right before I went to bed last night and was all like, 'woo hoo!' but then the added the suffix of '...nursing home residents...' and I was all like, 'that's so gay'

54 confirmed deaths now, and i think that's just within one county in mississippi.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 05:46 (nineteen years ago)

mayor of new orleans says 80 percent of the city is now underwater.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 06:59 (nineteen years ago)

Can't get back to sleep, so I might as well get up and wait for daylight so I can get a better assessment of the situation.

We never did lose power or phone/DSL.
About 10 p.m. last night, one of the three big trees on our property went down — a 60 ft. scalybark (hickory) tree. It fell west, missing utility lines to the north, my office to the east and our house to the south.

About 11 p.m., I noticed water seeping down our bedroom wall. Went up to the attic, and we have a roof leak around one of the old unused chimneys.

Other than that, I think we're okay except for the usual small limbs and twigs cleanup. I'll take pictures, and post some whenever I have time.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

how many people - oh, and of what age and status - need to die, so that it's not so gay ?


this thread is unbelievable. though ilx usually is

Vichitravirya XI (Vichitravirya XI), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- Rescuers worked through the night to reach hundreds of people stranded after Hurricane Katrina ripped across the Gulf Coast killing dozens of people, destroying countless homes and leaving more than a million people without power in three states.

And authorities said they would not be able to reach some of the hardest-hit areas until first light on Tuesday.

The storm is blamed for at least 67 deaths and that toll is almost certain to rise. Mississippi officials said at least 54 people were killed there, including 30 who were killed in an apartment complex near the Biloxi beach. Alabama reported two deaths. The storm killed 11 people last week when it made its initial landfall in Florida.

While Louisiana officials have not yet confirmed any deaths there, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin said there have been reports of bodies floating in the floodwaters.

"My heart is heavy tonight," Nagin said in the interview on CNN affiliate WWL-TV. "I don't have any good news to share."

Nagin said that about 80 percent of the city was flooded and that some areas were under 20 feet of water.

Water poured into the city from Lake Pontchartrain after a two-block-long breach opened in a section of a levee that protects the low-lying city.

In the city's 9th Ward neighborhood, rescue efforts continued throughout the night, with authorities in boats plucking residents from submerged homes after water topped another levee.

CNN's Adaora Udoji, monitoring the rescue efforts, said authorities had ferried at least 500 people from their homes, flooded with as much as six feet of water. Some residents reported water rose so fast they did not have time to grab their shoes.

Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco told CNN Monday that a 50-inch water main was severed during the storm, cutting the supply of drinkable water.

gear (gear), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

Me and the dog and the g/f rolled out to Dallas on Saturday as we are pussies. Trying to get information on whether or not our houses etc are still there via CNN sucks. I know I'm not around much anymore (due to lack of home internet) but just wanted to say I'm not floating through the floodwater. Fuck. Please post if anybody gets in touch with Kyle/Fetchboy--most phones with 504 area codes are fucked. Thanks.

adam (adam), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

Good to hear from you, Adam. Hope your home's okay and we're keeping an eye out for Fetchboy.

The more I read about this storm's aftermath...damn.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

Trying to get information on whether or not our houses etc are still there via CNN sucks.

it's going to take a long time to survey all the damage. and cnn are often slow to report things, but then they've got A LOT of areas to cover.

what ned said.

ian quiche-lorraine (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

I've started a separate thread:

Katrina's aftermath

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

how many people - oh, and of what age and status - need to die, so that it's not so gay ?

More than three people from a nursing home. Especially if the news is going to lead with it.

The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
I'm watching the local weather forecast with the sound turned off (I'm at work), and they showed the weather for the next five days. The first few days said DRY, but by the weekend, they had a graphic of rain with the word RITA? underneath it.

I assumed that they meant Rain In The Afternoon?, but now I realize that fuck, we got another 'cane a-coming.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

Yup, i think the call to re-evacuate New Orleans went out a coupla hours ago

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 19 September 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

Yup, it's almost hurricane strength right now. Phillippe actually IS a hurricane but it's supposed to stay out to sea. Of course, a few days ago Ophelia made landfall in Nova Scotia and Labrador.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Monday, 19 September 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

Rita at 100 mph at last update, cruising between the Keys and Cuba. Projected to be a Category 4 before making landfall somewhere between Corpus Christi and Houston.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Tuesday, 20 September 2005 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

I live in Miami, where we've endured 20 hrs + of forecasters standing under quivering palm fronds and bellowing, "SOME OF THESE GUSTS CAN BE....CATASTROPHIC!" After three weeks of Katrina coverage, it was mildly reassuring to return to normal hurricane season.

Alfred Soto (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 01:03 (nineteen years ago)

You know that there's some poor soul sitting in the Astrodome right now who honestly believes that he's got some curse on his neck.

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

Hurricane tracker for Google Earth

robster (robster), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oh dear. I am supposed to be flying to Texas on Saturday.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

Rita is now Cat-5, stronger than Katrina was when it hit. Should hit east texas by friday/saturday.

texas gov & louisiana gov have declared States of Emergency.

oh dear.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

In my local paper this morning, a sidebar about an Idaho meteorologist's hurricane conspiracy theory. I can't bring myself to read the whole thing.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

There are three major predicted trajectories for Rita. One of them has it hitting Houston and Galveston directly, which would be the most devastating to the entire state of TX because of the high population density in that part of TX but would mean that my SATX will escape with only maybe flash flooding conditions and strong winds. It's the easiest scenario for us, then. Another scenario has Rita hitting directly between Corpus Christi (home of Eva Longoria and Whataburger, FYI), which will mean that SATX will get hit with tropical storm-like conditions. Still, survivable. The worst case scenario for SATX has Rita hitting Corpus directly, which would mean that SATX (which is where I and not-Haikunym Matt C. live, dontcha know) would get hit with 100-mph winds. Which would suck for us but would perhaps be a blessing to the evacuees up in the Houston area. And even for our own evacuees, really; conditions here wouldn't be as bad as they would be down along the coastline.

Obv I don't plan on doing anything on Saturday, which is when all the fireworks are expected to happen locally.

(This Field Left Blank) (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

In Response: Welcome, Jerry the Nipper! You're going to have lots of fun coming in. Unless you're going to fly in to Dallas or El Paso, which should prove to be very normal and boring.

Actually, it'd be ideal if Rita hit right between Corpus and Galveston. It'd still provide damage galore to both AND to Houston, but it wouldn't be The Worst Case Scenario for anyone (except for maybe the poor souls who DO live right between Corpus and Galveston).

(This Field Left Blank) (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

I am due to fly into Austin. Is that likely to be badly hit? Originally I was due to fly in Friday night, but it looks like it might have been changed to Saturday night. Saturday looks like having the worst of it, eh? Should I just forget about traveling to TX this weekend and arrange to interview Famous Indie Band in Chicago on Tuesday instead?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

JtN - looking at the projection, Austin is right in the path, but about 180 miles inland.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

But am I right to imagine that all flights into TX airports on Saturday are likely to be cancelled?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

Suffice it to say I'm glad that my grandparents now live outside Knoxville TN, than still in Port Lavaca, TX, on their house on stilts.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

God, I'd hope they shut the airports in Houston/Austin/Corpus, with wind like that coming in. Except places like Odessa which are way out of the path. Dallas/Ft. Worth might stay clear of the brunt as well, but who knows?

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

Chicago's nice this time of year...

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

I have a friend flying in Friday from Austin to Seattle... I hope he gets to escape. :/

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

I hope so too, donut. Although I understand about business protecting their assets and all that, it pissed me off to no end to hear that Greyhound and Amtrak stopped running and moved all their equipment out of the area on Saturday, two days before the storm made landfall.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

it pissed me off to no end to hear that Greyhound and Amtrak stopped running and moved all their equipment out of the area on Saturday, two days before the storm made landfall.

Well, I mean, if it's a choice between stragglers having to find last minute non-train non-commercial-bus service vs. having those vehicles/trains destroyed by not having them leave in time, therefore crippling those services for months if not years afterwards, I'd choose the former -- though neither scenario is a picnic.

donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

Austin's "just" about 90 miles northeast of SATX. It'll get some hurricane-spawned action, sure, but it shouldn't be too bad. I don't see any cancellations at Bergstrom. I think maybe there'll be a few delays, but Austin will be okay to go into. Or they might divert the flight to DFW and bus people to Austin, which will suck, sure, but it'll be incredibly safe. So -- no worries. I don't even think there'll be much to worry about here in San Antonio. Though maybe there WILL be a few cancellations on that front. I don't know. It's still too early to tell there. And besides, the last time anything like this was projected to happen was back in 1961 with Carla, which was LONG before I was born, obv. But oh the stories my mom's told me of the storms spawned from that.... But still, Carla didn't cause any real property damage here.

(This Field Left Blank) (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

(Note: Carla was "only" a Cat. 4 storm, though. If Rita continues to be a Cat. 5, who knows what'll happen?)

Donut, your friend should be FINE. Friday's definitely before the storm is projected to hit the TX Gulf Coast. No need to fret.

(This Field Left Blank) (Dee the Lurker), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

One of our vendors in Houston sent out an email announcing that they were getting out of town!

Orbit (Orbit), Wednesday, 21 September 2005 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

Jerry, Rita might still be a minimal hurricane if it were to go near Austin.

I've got relatives in Bellaire (Houston). Ouch.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Thursday, 22 September 2005 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

Starting up a separate Rita thread might not be a bad idea.

BTW, anyone stop to think what kind of utter havoc this will play on shipping in America? New Orleans, the chief port at the mouth of the Mississippi, is shut down for a long, long time. All its refineries are toast. Now, Houston, among the largest ports in the nation, and the refineries along the Texas shore are playing target practice for another category 5.

Alan Conceicao (Alan Conceicao), Thursday, 22 September 2005 02:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050922/ap_on_re_us/hurricane_names

running out of names for hurricanes. They use one name per alphabet letter, and next they're going to the greek alphabet.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 22 September 2005 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Other suggested naming schemes:

-Jacksons
-Baldwins
-Wilsons
-Pop stars who put out books of their own poetry
-Arquettes

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 22 September 2005 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...
It looks like hurricane fatigue has finally set in over at NOAA if this Wilma forecast is any indication.

AGREEMENT AMONG THE TRACK GUIDANCE MODELS...WHICH HAD BEEN VERY GOOD
OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS...HAS COMPLETELY COLLAPSED TODAY. THE 06Z RUNS OF THE GFS...GFDL...AND NOGAPS MODELS ACCELERATED WILMA RAPIDLY TOWARD NEW ENGLAND UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF A LARGE LOW PRESSURE SYSTEM IN THE GREAT LAKES REGION. ALL THREE OF THESE MODELS HAVE BACKED OFF OF THIS SOLUTION...WITH THE GFDL SHOWING AN EXTREME CHANGE...WITH ITS 5-DAY POSITION SHIFTING A MERE 1650 NMI FROM ITS PREVIOUS POSITION IN MAINE TO THE WESTERN TIP OF CUBA. THERE IS ALMOST AS MUCH SPREAD IN THE 5-DAY POSITIONS OF THE 12Z GFS ENSEMBLE MEMBERS...WHICH RANGE FROM THE YUCATAN TO WELL EAST OF THE DELMARVA PENINSULA. WHAT THIS ILLUSTRATES IS THE EXTREME SENSITIVITY OF WILMA'S FUTURE TRACK TO ITS INTERACTION WITH THE GREAT LAKES LOW. OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF DAYS...WILMA HAS BEEN MOVING SLIGHTLY TO THE LEFT OR SOUTH OF THE MODEL GUIDANCE...AND THE LEFT-MOST OF THE GUIDANCE SOLUTIONS ARE NOW SHOWING WILMA DELAYING OR MISSING THE CONNECTION WITH THE LOW. I HAVE SLOWED THE OFFICIAL FORECAST JUST A LITTLE BIT AT THIS TIME...BUT IF WILMA CONTINUES TO MOVE MORE TO THE LEFT THAN EXPECTED...SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE OFFICIAL FORECAST MAY HAVE TO BE MADE DOWN THE LINE. NEEDLESS TO SAY...CONFIDENCE IN THE FORECAST TRACK...ESPECIALLY THE TIMING...HAS DECREASED CONSIDERABLY.

I can see them all tearing up their forecast models and quitting for a beer.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

wtf.. maine? new england?

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

Granted, when a storm becomes this strong, its predictability decreases, as it kinda generates its own weather... but the response to this phenomenon above reads like an incoherent Dr. Bronner diatribe.

donut hallivallerieburtonelli omg lol (donut), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

Mr. Mayfield said that the center was having difficulty with its forecasts because of what he described as the "wobbly" nature of the hurricane.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Wednesday, 19 October 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

five months pass...
US Northeast due for major hurricane

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 20 March 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
this year's hurricane names include a Gordon and a Nadine

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 6 April 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...
Some early data for the 2006 season is in. Draw your own projections...

LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

Major Hurricane Season Brewing in the Atlantic

gabbneb (gabbneb), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:26 (nineteen years ago)

Clearly the answer is to set Texas on fire. (we'll build an fireproof oxygenated evacuation bubble in Austin.)

DOQQUN (donut), Monday, 8 May 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)


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