Wimbledon 2005

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It chucked it down this morning in South London so immediately my mind was sent spinning SW19wards like a Henin-Hardenne backhand.

Three days into the Roehampton qualifiers, seedings this afternoon, draw tomorrow morning - I think it's time.

Agassi has withdrawn, which is a bit sad. It seems like only yesterday* that, as a callow 17-y-o, he was getting thrashed by Henri Leconte on court no.1 while I was queueing outside, unable to see anything. (* - I sleep heavily thesedays).

Federer still hasn't lost on grass since 2002 and Roddick hasn't lost on grass to anyone who wasn't Federer since 2002. Curious to see if the AELTC simply wrap the ranking list round a brick and lob it through Buster Mottram's window (he's had it coming) and just make A-Rod #2 to keep them apart in the draw.

The women's event is a bit more open, I think. This is a roundabout way of saying I haven't done my homework. Is Serena fit? (Don't answer that, Perry). Even if she is I can't see a Williams in the final this year. I'm backing Justine.

Get stuck in then.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

will snoop dogg be performing for the crowds a la cliff?

N_RQ, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

Snoop? Is he going? I know of his love for Ivan Lendl.

Qualies report:

Guccione, who played a very entertaining match vs Henman at Queen's last week, nudged out Patience 23-21 in the third in their first round match before Losing To A Brit (Delgado). On the ATP tour it's not unknown for players to be forced to wear a badge (a teddy bear crying Union Jack tears) to show that they Lost To A Brit in the Roehampton qualies. Some can't stand the ridicule and the stigma and end up giving basketball clinics in Split. Gambill and Clement are still in there, watching the rain fall, waiting for their final qualifying matches, which is reassuring. Bit of a comedown for those two.

They don't hand out badges on the WTA tour - they don't have to. Plucky Mel South took a set off Rita Kuti Kis but the rest of the UK Grrlz folded like damp flatbread: taking a total of 25 games in 5 matches. I'm keen to see if Sybille BAMMER makes it.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

Seeds:

Seeds for the Gentlemen's Singles:>

1. FEDERER, Roger (SUI)
2. RODDICK, Andy (USA)
3. HEWITT, Lleyton (AUS)
4. NADAL, Rafael (ESP)
5. SAFIN, Marat (RUS)
6. HENMAN, Tim (GBR)
7. CANAS, Guillermo (ARG)
8. DAVYDENKO, Nikolay (RUS)
9. GROSJEAN, Sebastien (FRA)
10. ANCIC, Mario (CRO)
11. JOHANSSON, Joachim (SWE)
12. JOHANSSON, Thomas (SWE)
13. ROBREDO, Tommy (ESP)
14. STEPANEK, Radek (CZE)
15. CORIA, Guillermo (ARG)
16. PUERTA, Mariano (ARG)
17. FERRER, David (ESP)
18. NALBANDIAN, David (ARG)
19. HAAS, Tommy (GER)
20. LJUBICIC, Ivan (CRO)
21. GONZALEZ, Fernando (CHI)
22. HRBATY, Dominik (SVK)
23. FERRERO, Juan Carlos (ESP)
24. DENT, Taylor (USA)
25. KIEFER, Nicolas (GER)
26. LOPEZ, Feliciano (ESP)
27. GASQUET, Richard (FRA)
28. NOVAK, Jiri (CZE)
29. MASSU, Nicolas (CHI)
30. SODERLING, Robin (SWE)
31. YOUZHNY, Mikhail (RUS)
32. VOLANDRI, Filippo (ITA)

Seeds for the Ladies' Singles:>

1. DAVENPORT Miss Lindsay (USA)
2. SHARAPOVA Miss Maria (RUS)
3. MAURESMO Miss Amelie (FRA)
4. WILLIAMS Miss Serena (USA)
5. KUZNETSOVA Miss Svetlana (RUS)
6. DEMENTIEVA Miss Elena (RUS)
7. HENIN-HARDENNE Mrs Justine (BEL)
8. PETROVA Miss Nadia (RUS)
9. MYSKINA Miss Anastasia (RUS)
10. SCHNYDER Miss Patty (SUI)
11. ZVONAREVA Miss Vera (RUS)
12. PIERCE Miss Mary (FRA)
13. LIKHOVTSEVA Miss Elena (RUS)
14. WILLIAMS Miss Venus (USA)
15. CLIJSTERS Miss Kim (BEL)
16. DECHY Miss Nathalie (FRA)
17. JANKOVIC Miss Jelena (SCG)
18. GOLOVIN Miss Tatiana (FRA)
19. IVANOVIC Miss Ana (SCG)
20. HANTUCHOVA Miss Daniela (SVK)
21. SCHIAVONE Miss Francesca (ITA)
22. FARINA ELIA Mrs Silvia (ITA)
23. SUGIYAMA Miss Ai (JPN)
24. ASAGOE Miss Shinobu (JPN)
25. SPREM Miss Karolina (CRO)
26. PENNETTA Miss Flavia (ITA)
27. VAIDISOVA Miss Nicole (CZE)
28. FRAZIER Miss Amy (USA)
29. BARTOLI Miss Marion (FRA)
30. SAFINA Miss Dinara (RUS)
31. MEDINA GARRIGUES Miss Anabel (ESP)
32. RAZZANO Miss Virginie (FRA)

There ya go.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

Miss Lindsay Davenport?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

Yay three Italian lady seeds!

"Miss Amelie" sounds the cutest thing in the world. But it isn't. Oh no.

Markelby (Mark C), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

Woo, I'm going to Devonshire Park on Saturday for some ladies action, since I may not see much Wimbledon unless I sneak off to the TV room at work...

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

I was going to start this today! My computer crashed, but great minds &c.

The one I'm watching in The Qualies is Miss Pironkova of Bulgaria, first name TSZVETANA!!!, who reached the semi-finals of her first ever WTA tournament last month.

Women's title is between Justine, Maria and Serena in that order I think. Justine is the mentally toughest woman on tour, on a million-match winning streak and has great grass-court game, but has never won it. Maria has been very consistent this year but keeps dropping sets to randoms and matches to Justine. Serena is probably the best grass-courter around but hasn't won a match of any sort for two months, and has pulled out of more events than she's completed this year. Everyone else = mental midget headcase type, expect CHOKING to ensue.

Is Davenport a Miss because she keeps her maiden name as her professional name?

Oh my, Serena and Venus could meet in the 4th round.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

I'm so sad I won't be around for the draw! But I might be going to Wimbledon next...Tuesday, maybe? As long as Sonar doesn't leave me bedridden for a week.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

Is Justine a big threat on grass?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

I would say so. She got to her first ever Slam final here and took a set off a then-dominant Venus, and that was before she a) buffed up and b) gained hella confidence and mental strength from being a multiple Slam winner. And the tendency on the women's tour, unlike the men's, is actually for superb claycourters (of the finesse sort, rather than the defensive sort) to translate very well to grass - grass rewards spins and net play and drop shots just as much as clay, and Justine excels there. PLUS she has enough strength to be considered a power player and take advantage of the surface in the same way they do as well.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Tuesday sounds like entertainment, except hopefully I will have somehow magicked a job from somewhere by then so p'raps not.

The new BBC trailers are intriguing, as they seem to be offering the vague prospect of ChakChakChak's girly forehand causing her to shatter into a thousand pieces. This is a notch up from last year's effort, with Mac detailing the great storylines the tournament had, almost exclusively involving players that didn't turn up. Nice way to portend the Lleytz-Clidge break-up too.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

Anna Chakvetadze is in the BBC trailers? Now I love Miss !!! to bits, but even I would admit that is a strange choice of poster girl.

If the BBC had any sense they'd be playing the Venus and Serena line from 'Signs' over the trailers.

Hopefully I will also have magicked up a job by Tuesday but let's face it this won't be happening. I'd be up for queueing for a ground pass from early morning. Email me if you would also like this, I won't be back til Sunday.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Thing with Justine that's surprising is that she was such an adorable, slight thing, she's buffed up (The Buff Elf indeed) and actually hasn't dropped off at all cf, say... Martina Hingis's ill-fated attempts to do similar.

I heart Justine so much, she should walk this tournament.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 16 June 2005 01:40 (twenty years ago)

Bammer in the Sammer: plucky Austrian Sybille downed by Meilen Tu but Lex's pick Pironkova is into the final qualifying round. There are too many Ks and Vs in that part of the draw - it's like an end-game Scrabble nightmare. My new favourite is Maro Santangelo, purely because she's a couple of vowels away from having the same name as a girl I fancied when I was 12.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 16 June 2005 07:25 (twenty years ago)

Well, it isn't actually the Chakattak herself, it's two actress types shot with blurringness, but they bear a certain resemblance to The Ginger Princess and The Mirzbow. Which is odd, given that they're doubles partners. It's a blooming odd commercial in any case, one of those along the lines of WE ARE TOO SOFT ON BRITISH TENNIS PLAYERS, THE ONLY REASON HENPERSON HAS NOT WON WIMBLEDON IS BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT PUT ENOUGH PRESSURE ON HIM etc.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 09:35 (twenty years ago)

I predict an early exit for Tim Maniac this year.

Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 16 June 2005 10:27 (twenty years ago)

Myskina's rubbish now isn't she? A pity, I like her.

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 16 June 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

Draws made:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/4094998.stm for the men

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/4095022.stm for the women

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

Scanning down the draws...

Nothing leaps out in Federer's quarter. Hewitt-Blake potential r2 ding-dong. Safin has a murderous segment: Srichaphan, Poup & Ancic await. Two of our ALL-TIME FAVES square off in the third quarter: Schalkin' Vac and Starchy Tito! Henbot has a really nasty one first up in Niemenen...Arthurs lurks in r3 and Grosjean in r4; a real achievement for Timmy to fulfil his seeding this year. Ljubicic is the scariest seed in Roddick's path but Ivo Karlovic is waiting in r2.

Third round clash for Clidge and Ai Sug? Can Suarez upset La Mesmo? Pierce-Henin r4 tie likely and, get this Second Monday organisers, Venus-Serena! They should both be Centre Court (if they happen) and sod the blokes. Should S(p)esil K deal with the feeble threat of Amanda Janes, it'll be Sharapova in r2.

Back with QF predictions later...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 16 June 2005 11:49 (twenty years ago)

Federer-Johansson J
Hewitt-Ancic
Haas-Stepanek
Grosjean-Ljubicic

Clijsters-Asagoe
Mauresmo-Dementieva
HeninHardenne-Hantuchova*
Schiavone-Sharapova

(* - no Venus-Serena in r4 after all?)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 16 June 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

Federer vs. JoJo (momentarily thought maybe Greg could get past, but probably not)
Hewitt vs. Ancic (Ancic will have the much harder task getting there)
Wawrinka vs. Nalbandian (admittedly, French Open form might not be a guide... but there's gotta be one player that emerges, and Swiss Stan looks as likely as any)
Grosjean vs. Malisse (Betting on Tommy Haas never seems like much of an idea)

Clisters vs. Schnyder
Sprem vs. Frazier (the Murphy's Law quarter - if they can go wrong, they will)
JHH vs. Serena
Razzano vs. Sharapova


William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Bloody hell. Eastbourne coverage on BBC2 (and online). Natalie Dechy is wearing TROUSERS.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

As in, playing in TROUSERS plus sleeveless top combo. Very Charlie's Angels.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

Federer vs Davydenko (not JoJo, please. Enough with the boring big servers)
Hewitt vs Ancic (unanimity! this means neither will make it.)
Canas vs Nadal (or, the What Surface? quarter)
Grosjean vs Soderling (the latter may just be because I really want him to bead Dickface in r3)

Clijsters vs Kuznetsova
Sprem vs Jankovic (for the jokes, mostly)
Henin-Hardenne vs Serena
Zvonareva vs Sharapova

Is there, is there, a reason for Roddick to have been promoted to #2 seed ahead of Hewitt?

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

He's sexier?

Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

As I'm sure you know, the AELTC can rework the order of the top 32 men to their tastes and, for some reason, they feel 2003 sf/2004 f beats 2002 champion/2004 qf. Maybe the Queens hat-trick had something to do with it too.

I don't like the fact that we all seem to think Pandy's gonna fall before the second Wednesday. Cos you know what that actually means will happen...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

He's... quite tall. And has a proud, manly jaw. And tidy hair.

Got my reasons for Malisse confused - Karlo does for Dicko. Igo does for Karlo. And Malisse does for him. I reckon.

Gonzalez will be the first seed to go. Mackin's victory leads to brief talk of revival in British men's tennis. This ends by the fourth round.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

Plus, Andy's hexed by CURSE OF ADVERT (i.e. American Express). Did for Agassi, did it no?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

First round seeds to fall:

Youzhny (to Baghdatis)
Davydenko (to Draper)
Massu (to Sargsian)
Nadal (to Spadea - gnarled, cynical, biggest-losing-streak-in-tennis-history Vince will asnnoy him into submission)
Henman (to Nieminen)
Volandri (to Arthurs)

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

haha fwiw I wz going to predict roddick.

I'm hoping safin does well, despite the tough draw.

(what time do ppl start queueing again? plz don't tell me thousands of ppl sleep overnight - sorry to ask but couldn't find the advice given last year (when I didn't go but its looking better this year), i searched for a bit earlier and now the search is slow...)

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

roddick for the quarters i mean.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

MARIA ELENA CAMERIN I LOVE YOU - BEAT NATHALIE DECHY FOR ME!

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

Insert theme from 'War Of The Worlds' here

Bear in mind, however, Dechy now has Magic Trousers.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 16 June 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

Day 4 for the men at Roehampton was all retirements and five-setters. Seppi reached the main draw after recovering from two sets down vs Simon, but he was the only Eyetie to survive; Jeff Morrison (who I seem to remember comparing to Charlie Pasarell in a moment of washed-out 70s film-stock nostalgia a while back) also through in five over Falla. J-M Gambill doesn't make it - he retired at 2-6 4-5 vs Noam Okun, complaining that his pelvis felt like it was made of helicopters. Gimstelstob withdrew after one game vs Sampras-conquering Georgie Bastl when he realised he'd left the bleedin' iron on. Bracciali almost finished off Garcia in the 4th t-b but, forced to go to a decider, three-fifths of his blood turned to milk and the Chilean got the pass to SW19. Tobias Summerer is also through. No bummerer.

In the women's, Pironkova doesn't make it but Santangelo does. In the I-should-bloody-well-hope-so column, Els Callens and Ashley Harkleroad are there. As is Sofia Arvissson. It's about time we had a good Swede.

In the realm of the unfinished, we have a Brit whose storming comeback was stunted in the gloom: Delgado back from 2-6 5-7 vs Goldstein to level the match; Moodie-Djokovic also 2-2 overnight. And that's your lot.

Forecast for weekend is high-80s in London...but Monday is showers. :(

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 17 June 2005 07:56 (twenty years ago)

there, is there, a reason for Roddick to have been promoted to #2 seed ahead of Hewitt?

Roddick won Queens for the third year in a row. Hewitt got kicked out by Karlovic. So yeah Roddick will probably do better this year on Wimbledon. (Also because Hewitt's been injured)

Ludo (Ludo), Friday, 17 June 2005 08:01 (twenty years ago)

There is also supposed to be some mysterious grass-court ranking list which the AELTC use to re-order the top 32, but I've never seen it. I think we can presume that they simply use the Indesit Entry Ranking points from Halle, Queens, etc. but I imagine over more than just the last 12 months.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 17 June 2005 08:39 (twenty years ago)

C'mon Jamie, I've got five albums worth of puns riding on you... (he's currently PULLING THE WIRES FROM THE WALL at 3-0 up in the fifth)

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 17 June 2005 10:19 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, has he been accused of stealing any points by a grumpy opponent?

Liz :x (Liz :x), Friday, 17 June 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

Jamie D has only ever played two GS matches outside of Wimbledon (where I presume he's had a few wildcards over the years) - first-round defeats in Melbourne and New York in 2000. Never ranked inside the top 120, he has career earnings of around $400k. Which, considering he turned pro in 1995, means I made a better "career 'choice'" than he did.

He's serving for a place at his 11th Championships - 5-2.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 17 June 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

Delgado is through to face...well, maybe Georgie Bastl if they simply drop into the main draw in the order of the qualifying draw (Q3 v Q4 is a match in the second quarter). If he loses it'll be a repeat failure.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 17 June 2005 10:35 (twenty years ago)

$40k a year? Hardly leaning on a cane, then.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 17 June 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)

Ancic and Clijsters won grasscourt events over the weekend, so shorten their odds if you're in the mood. AssCan pulled out so we now have a 33rd seed - one of the Rochi.

After a sweltering Sunday the weather looks likely to break this morning in London. Let's get the thunderstorm out of the way before 1pm, yeah?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 20 June 2005 07:04 (twenty years ago)

It's starting now, so hopefully the grumbling will be over in an hour or so. Mind, Yorkshire got flooded last night with this storm's sibling, so errk...

Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 20 June 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

Hello hello hello! I am back. This is my corpse typing after the excesses of Sónar left me dead (in the best possible way obv). It's ridiculously hot in the UK! It's like I haven't left Spain.

Re: seedings - there is a mysterious "grass court formula" which has never been revealed, usually it takes the form of "fiddle about with player's actual ranking + past grass record so that the Henbot gets promoted a bit". They don't bother for the women.

Last minute predictions -

Clijsters v Kuznetsova
Mauresmo v Jankovic
Henin-Hardenne v S.Williams
Razzano v Sharapova

Federer v J.Johansson
Hewitt v Safin
O.Rochus v Gasquet
Grosjean v Roddick

I will be attending Wimbledon tomorrow (weather pending), queuing up from early o'clock and getting a ground pass. Londoners without prior work commitments, fancy joining me?

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 20 June 2005 09:04 (twenty years ago)

And they're off! Main story so far is that Batty Patty is currently getting a full-on rinsing at the hands of one of the Serra-Zanetti's - currently 5-1 down in the first, though she did just get a break of serve in the last game. Now she just needs another four or five games on the spin.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 10:45 (twenty years ago)

Well, she hauls it back to 6-4, but that's a set down in any case. Your new seed in danger... it's the Princess. Loses the first set 7-5 to world #145 Katerina Bohmova. She's Czech.

Elsewhere - Shaughnessy vs. Schruff IS WAR - Mighty Meg takes the first 6-1, only for The Shambler to take the second by exactly the same score. Oh, and Chakkatakk IS ROBBED of the first set by Jankovic 6-4. Janko-BITCH, more like. Yeah.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 11:04 (twenty years ago)

The BBC showed Keothavong v Diaz-Oliva. It was dreadful. MDO won the first set by dint of sometimes hitting the ball into the court.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 20 June 2005 11:08 (twenty years ago)

First winners of the day - MDO, LiquorLocker, Jankobitch. Patty has a tie-break to stay in the tournament. Meg 5-2 up on Schruff in the third.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 11:38 (twenty years ago)

Meg muscles through. Arvidsson does for Perebiynis in straight sets.

Fedge's Road To Glory starts against PHM. He's 5-3 up, but two of Paul-Henri's three have been won against serve. He's a plucky young feller, no?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

Patty and Myskie both took their UBER-KEY 2nd set tie-breaks. Patty's now gone a break down in the decider. First Brit through looks to be David Sherwood, who's got match point against Mello. Moggie has the upper hand on Mirza, Pasty Cove looks to be drowning The Stoat.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

It seems a bit churlish to moan when you've got a Freeview box, but, really - Roddy Llewellyn getting annihilated by Kuzzy is preferred to the Myskina-Bohmova thrilla-with-a-scoop-o-vanilla? Do I have to get satellite telly now?

Sherwood looked pretty good. His dad was the hurdler Superstar, is that right? Mathieu giving RF some trouble.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

Stoat drowned! That's a pretty big shock, she's the better grass court player.

Less happy Brit news on Court 18, where one Rebecca Llewellyn is playing Kuzzy. Insofar as losing the first set 0-6 in about ten minutes, winning just 8 points along the way, can count as 'playing' and not 'getting raped'.

xpost!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

attention fact fans - Serena Williams attended the same tennis academy as P-H-M, and has said that the only time she's ever been scared on a tennis court is when she had to play a practice match against him.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

Mpaperfolding/Mirza heading towards thrilling climax, too - the former serving to stay in it at 5-6.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:12 (twenty years ago)

Becky LL has now won 10pts in 9 games. Please, BBC, think of her family. Screen something that features combatants of the same species at least.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

FIRST SEED DOWN!

And it's *gasp* Patz! Whichever of the Serra-Zanettis it was has done for her 6-3 in the third!

Mirzbow through 8-6, Mysks 4-2 DOWN against Oye Bohmo Va, Josh Goodall looks set to be the next Brit going home.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

Becky Llew cussed 6-0 6-1.

Nastya pulls it back to 4-4 - New Seed In Seeming Danger is Aiiiii, who's currently 5-1 down to Roberta Vinci. Eeeeeeek.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

Aiiii fails to crack the Vinci code - loses first set 2-6.

Nastya does a grand comeback! Wins 6-4 in the third.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

Also, while no-one was looking Hewie did for Rochus Inferior 6-3 6-3 6-1, and Tommy Enck's a set down to HT Lee. United Colours is scrapping to stay in the match against Keef, and the race to be the first five-setter of the tournament is ON between, on court 11, Flicka & Phau (5-7 7-6 6-7 2-0) and, on court 12, Fixodent & Dickie Norman (7-6 7-6 4-6 5-4).

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

Rodge through in straight sets. Bendy gets his blessed fourth set, Ai steadying the ship at 4-2 in the second.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

Myskina was terrific at the very end, the very end being all we saw on BBCi. Freeview currently broadcasting: an empty court, Rusedski and Rusedski. At one point old jawjut was on THREE channels at once.

Phil's Boy has sorted himself out on #13, up a double-break in the fifth vs Dickie Norm.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

The Rusedski match is way beyond dull, as Rusedski matches tend to be. On the other hand, the first four games of Mauresmo v Czink match on Court 1 were terrific. Guess which match they stuck with! Idiots, fools, aargh.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

Suitably brief bit of spirited resistance from Czink but Mesmo mullers her anyway, Grrrreg drops the second to Marting, Sarah Borwell is the next British lady to fall despite making a good fist of it against Perry, Youzhny looks to be about to get by Bagghy, and Bendy-Keeeef and Encks-HT are turning into quite the tussles.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

Hmm. In the men's there have thus far been no shocks at all. Two seeds have gone, in the shape of Puerta and Robredo, but that's not entirely unexpected. Oh, and HT and Grrrreg made it through.

Women's - bit more interesting. Aside from Big Dave's 6-0 6-2 demolition of Jiddlypuff, we've seen every single British player fail to get even a set (Baltacha was playing a qualifier, fer pete's sakes), as well as The Loiterer blow a 5-0 lead in the third to go down 9-7 to Aunt Selima, but perhaps most surprisingly of all three seeds are gone - Patty, as noted upthread; Aiii, who got Vinci'd in three sets; Smokin' Amy Frazier got pounded out in three by The Knack; and, in possibly the biggest upset of the day, Tammy Tanasugarn squelched Sprem 6-2 6-2.

Those looking for another seed to fall - Shinobu's currently getting skewered by Maggie M of all people - one set down and 4-3 down in the second set tie-break. In what could be seen as an upset of sorts, Massu's two sets up on Sargis. Poup's about to flush Beck. Other'n that... not much.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

And there she does indeed Asagoe - 6-2 7-6, five women's seeds gone.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:10 (twenty years ago)

Only Lex's qf predictions survived the first day intact. Both Poup and Saffy were in frightening (and, all things considered, surprising) form today - and now meet on Wednesday. Gael Monfils went through on a 30pt tie-breaker.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and Delgado got straight-setted. Didn't see it, so I don't know whether when analysing his mental approach the BBC panel suggested that all he needs is hate.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

I thought you were actually there, in person, Michael, on Henman Hill, waving at the big screen, instead of the camera.

On an entirely unconnected note, ten stalkers have been banned, from Wimbledon.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

No, I was juggling the telly, Ava and several estate agents. I should join a bloody circus. (You will notice that I'm not in yet. That's cos I'm not in at all. Sinuses like concrete. I'm going to go on a massive drugs bender in an effort to be well by tomorrow).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 07:09 (twenty years ago)

The Big Ouzo? Frightening? Surely you jest!

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 07:16 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, I've never seen MP play better (sloppy first set apart). It was brutal. And Srichaphan played very well against Safin but got steamrollered all the same. You've got to fancy Marat in r2 but a few Ouzoaces and MS could just decide he hates grass again.

I see James Blake flopped again.

What kind of odds can you get on Jarkko doing Thimble today?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 07:39 (twenty years ago)

Methinks Henners will be finding Nemo quite a handful.

With only about half a dozen compatriots this year (one of whom has already exceeded expectations, another has already dashed them) the Llout needs to llook llivelly if llocal interest is going to llast past about Thursday.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 07:57 (twenty years ago)

I did the BBC site's 'draw predictor' thing today and ended up with a Federer-Henman final. Hmm. Though given the madness of my predicting skills thus far...

Anyway, Sjeng's out, so Starch-o's got to face Elsie. This may be tricky.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 08:13 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I had noticed. I am doing a Thai film about ghosts, believe it or not.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

"our new best hope" Andrew Murray is sailing through his first round match - two sets and a break up

meanwhile, more Women's seeds struggling, including Arena mag fave Dani Handjobkova, against Linetskaya. I wonder if Lex is watching this, cheering on the Linnet?

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

The Monarch Of The Glen (Scottish, humourless) through in straight sets. Looked a bit wobbly on the net play, and really gets pissed off with himself quite a lot.

Shap also through in straight sets against NLV. She's got the evil eyes in again. Ooh. Also helped by the fact that NLV is, well, a dwarf.

Two seeds gone - Ljub jiffied by Melzer, AnMedGar stomped by Robotnik.

Currently - Dicko, Venus and, er, Sanguinetti are all cruising. Two seeds in danger - Voney's a set down to Brandi, Razzo's 3-0 down to Castanets. And for those of you wondering which court Lex has gone for, I'm taking a wild guess it might be #11, where Bobbysods and Lovely Igor are getting it on - 5-5 in the first.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

Dicko through without much trouble. In the battle to be the next to COWER BEFORE THE TENNIS OF ANDY MURRAY, Radical Staircase is two sets to one up. Swiss Stan is getting a taste of The Fabrice Santoro Experience, stuck in a perpetual deuce-advantage-deuce cycle at 4-5 on his serve in the third.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

Jonathan Marray seems to be having a strop at no longer being the leading UK tennis hope called M*rray. Nicole Kidman's Wonderful Arse is thwopping him comfortably in the first set.

Can everyone please get behind Daniele Bracciali? Thanks.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

House Of! Henin-Hardenne! BREAK DOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWN to Brockwell 'Lidou in the first.

Tim Of Hen loses his first set 6-3.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

Can someone please translate William's posts for me?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:12 (twenty years ago)

Oh gosh, I'll have to do the glossary again.

Brockwell 'Lidou = Eleni Daniilidou
Tim Of Hen = Tim Henman
Swiss Stan = Stanislas Wawrinka
Dicko = Andy Roddick
Radical Staircase = Radek Stepanek
Voney = Franchesca Schiavone
Razzo = Virginie Razzano
Castanets = Catalina Castano
The Monarch Of The Glen = Andy Murray
Bobbysods = Robin Soderling
Lovely Igor = Igor Andreev
Ljub = Ivan Ljubicic
NLV = Nuria Llagostera Vives
Shap = Maria Sharapova
AnMedGar = Annabel Maria Garrigues
Robotnik = Katarina Srebotnik
Starch-O = Potito Starace
Elsie = Gilles Elseneer

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

Can someone please FIX OUR BLOODY TV AT WORK for me? Arrghhh.

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

Potato Starchy?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:20 (twenty years ago)

Delicious and nutritious.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

'Tis a bit, yeah.

My predicting skills have accounted for Stan, I fear - he held his serve after the best of christ knows how long, but went on to lose the next five games and now finds himself 3-1 down in the fourth.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

Come on Timmmeeeee! Slide out of the tournament and stop boring us! It's bad enough that bleedin' Canuck Russki is around for another day or so.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

So instead of Henman Hill can we now look forward to Sherwood Forest?

Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:29 (twenty years ago)

murray head?

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

Henbot's malfunctioning. 26 unforced errors so far.

robster (robster), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

(Has anyone noticed that Henin-Hardenne is down a set?)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Boo. But more concerned about Henman-Hardgoing. Still, tie-break!

Archel (Archel), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

J-Hen just broke Brockwell.

robster (robster), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Into the 67th game of Bracciali vs Karlovic! Come on Daniele!! (he hasn't broken Robert Pershin Wadlow once yet, so I'm not overly hopeful)

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

Ten games all! They'll have to get court 13 floodlit.

robster (robster), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

GET IN THE EYETIE!!

After Molasses gets Marrayed, it's time for my homegirl Maria Elena Camerin on court 18 against gritty irritation Nathalie Dechy.

Markelby (Mark C), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

the J-hen a break doon in the decider!

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

I've had to come away from the television because I nearly hit something when Henman took the third set, and IT'S ALL HAPPENING ELSEWHERE:

- BANG! JHH-Danii With Two I's - IT'S WAR! Eleni was 4-2 up in the third, JHH breaks back and is serving at 4-3 down - can the pre-tournament favourite hang on?

- BOOM! What is it about dark horses going lame at SW19? Gasquet takes the first 6-3, then PK comes back to take the second by the same score. NOW the French wunder-enfantis 4-1 up in the third.

- THWACK! Another seed in trouble, and it's a big 'un - Petrova a set down against Ginny Ruano-Pascual, going with serve in the second.

- CRASH! Latest seed to fall is Soderling, down in four to Lovely Igor.

- WALLOP! And christ, you want home interest? Marray-Malisse is turning into an epic - at two sets to one down, Malisse pulls out the fourth 6-1 - Marray then goes 3-0 up in the fifth, the X-wing pulls it back to 3-3...

But yeah, Britain's best player since goodness knows when takes precedence on the one-channel setup, which is perhaps fair enough. Cue yet more crowd shots of the excessively pasty waving gigantic England flags, accompanied by the noise of Andrew Castle.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

JHH-Dan is pretty gruelling stuff - Eleni was injured but promptly broke Pristine after getting treatment, Juste broke back but is now serving at 4-5. Henbot back in it. Karlovic out despite 51 aces (Bracky served 31).

JHH at 30/30...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Actually, two other seeds gone that ain't been mentioned - Haas out through injury, Schiavone out through being a bit rubbish. Razzo pulls through against Castano, however.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:04 (twenty years ago)

2nd match point for Danniii....

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

JHH saves and now serving for 5-5...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

Which she gets. Ooh blimey.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

JHH saves two match-points and holds for 5-5. Tense as fook. Who cares what's happening on Centre?

(Haas and Schiavone - I'm down to 13 of 16 of my qf picks at 5pm on Day 2. Not good).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:10 (twenty years ago)

6-5 Danii!

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

OH SNAP

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

THIRD MATCH POINT.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

SHE'S GONE!

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

Women's title is between Justine, Maria and Serena in that order I think. Justine is the mentally toughest woman on tour, on a million-match winning streak and has great grass-court game, but has never won it. Maria has been very consistent this year but keeps dropping sets to randoms and matches to Justine. Serena is probably the best grass-courter around but hasn't won a match of any sort for two months, and has pulled out of more events than she's completed this year. Everyone else = mental midget headcase type, expect CHOKING to ensue.

[...]

-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...) (webmail), June 15th, 2005. (link)

The Ghost of Oops (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

Eleni through, and deservedly so. Just too many errors from the Hengirl, including the climactic net-cord assisted double-fault. Thrilling stuff. Marray out 4-6 in the 5th to Able Xavier. Back to the Henboy...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:18 (twenty years ago)

yay!

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

oh no :-(

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:21 (twenty years ago)

Gone - on a double fault, of all things... blimey.

Elsewhere, Petrova-VRP is 1-1, Gasquet's got over his second set wobble nicely, Arnie Clem's in the shit against Lu, Vicky Han's a set down, and Potito's Road To Princess Michael starts by going a break down in the first.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

PLUCK-WATCH - Mandy Janes holds Sesil to 5-5, then gets broken. Sesil now serving at 6-5 up.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

Jane's Defence crumbles! a brit lady was seriously in danger of winning a set there, but common sense prevailed

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

Timmy 3-0 up in the fifth. He's gonna jam it out again.

Rova serving out for the match, Elsie serving out for the set, Gasquet and Popp both through.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Andy Murray still has a way to go before he's up with the world's elite.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40649000/jpg/_40649880_murray_270getty.jpg

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

Holy shit! Henin lost! I never would have predicted that.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

PLUCK-WATCH - Henno through. And his luck keeps getting better - Llodra's a set up on Grosjean!

PLUCK-WATCH #2 - Janes ain't sunk yet. She's forced Sesil K to a tie-break.

Elsewhere - Starchy is a break up in the second, Arthurs looking poised to make Volandri the next seed to go, V-Han vs. K-Carl is one set all (both tie-breaks), Clem taking Lu into deep waters - he takes the 4th set 6-3, and they're goin' the distance.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40636000/gif/_40636964_henmanometer_sad_203.gif

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 16:05 (twenty years ago)

my hormones are getting a workout watching this haynes/serena match.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Janes' addiction...is to winning. Not only did she level the match by taking that t-b, she's a break up in the 3rd over Venus-downing Sesil. Serena, meanwhile, does not look comfortable at all on court #2 vs free-hitting Angela "Gibby" Haynes. Keep your smugness in check, Perry.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Henin lost. WTF. Not totally out of the blue - she hadn't been on grass for two years - but still!

nathalie's post modern sleaze fest (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

HOLY SHIT THIS TIEBREAKER IS INSANE! I WISH I COULD WATCH THIS!

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 16:51 (twenty years ago)

...and Serena blows it!

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

And now it's over.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

Bloody hell! First set Gibby over Serena 14-12 in the t-b! She's wonderful. Someone clever post a picture so stuck-at-work types can see the New Marvel Of Women's Tennis (For The Next Hour).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

http://www.wtatour.com/global/photos/150x200/310617.jpg

She's probably lose now, but that first set was somethin' else.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

that photo doesn't do her justice.

oops (Oops), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

plucky Janes eventually went down 7-5 in the final set, leaving just Jane O'Donoghue to fly the flag in the ladies - currently a set each and 3-3 vs Groenefeld

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

I like how Serena now can't play well until she gets pissed off. And when I say "like" I'm being ultramega sarcastic.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

She's definitely doing her best to keep this match exciting.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

This is far from a horrorshow from Serena - it's not like Big Sis drizzling out in Paris vs Sesil K - Haynes is just supergood. Having said that, with the help of an overrule, a net-cord and a further dubious baseline call, Serena is back on terms: 6-4.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

blimey, O'D won. i take back all I said upthread. Dechy also through in straight sets after a wobbly start.

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

Q: How hard does Angie Haynes rock?

A: SO DAMN HARD.

Exhilarating all the way. Serena does tend to play best when her back's against the wall, and Angie would not stop shovin'. If Rena-Pova II comes to pass... ooh boy. Inexperience perhaps did for Haynes a wee bit, but when she comes back... ooh-hoo boy.

Elsewhere - Golovin's nearly Golo-gone...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

It takes a match like the Williams-Haynes one to get me interested in Wimbledon, lucky it was up against abolition of jury trials for complex fraud cases on C4 news.

this maybe common knowledge to proper tennis fans, but has anyone noticed that Justine Henin-Hardine has Greg Rusedski's face.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

And she has! Out in three to Bondarenko!

All eyes surely on Court One, though, cos Grosjean and Llodra are going to-the-wye-ah - Sebbles took the second set 7-5, Llodra takes the third 6-4, then for the fourth set they go to a tie-break which Grosjean takes...

At this juncture, therefore, the BBC decides that now is the ideal time for highlights of JHH-Brockwell. GAH.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

(+ also my dad decides that now is the time to watch Kirstie Allsopp shunting houses about)

Let it also be noted that Nads got by Spads 6-3 6-4 6-0, which suggests that grass not be quite so far beyond his ken as had been speculated. His white capri pants and sleeveless shirt are also very becoming. I'm growing to like this feller...

Another seed out is David Ferrer. Big wow, yes.

oh, and Potito got mashed in straight sets :(

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Grosjean went a break up, but Llodra snatched it back and is now 4-3 up, Wee Seb serving. IronChlad getting lost in the Foretz, Bandy handling Sluiter pretty well.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 18:59 (twenty years ago)

this maybe common knowledge to proper tennis fans, but has anyone noticed that Justine Henin-Hardine has Greg Rusedski's face.

Yes, it's the famous "Tennis Weasel" visage.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Foretz does for Denisa, Llodz and Sebz have called it a night, but none of that 'going home' crap for Argentinian Dave. He went a break down, got it back immediately, and has now levelled the third set at 3-3.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

Llod-Grosj continued on BBCi, but not for long, as big Mike Morrissey came out with his walkie-talkie and they decided to call it a night: 4-3 to ML. Marvellous touchy-feely forecourt shenanigans between the Fronchies. In fact, it's been a fairly amazin' day.

Meanwhile, Bandy and Sluiter dutifully take their vitamin A and, with the help of not being enclosed in a bloody great arena, are making the most of the fading light on court #7 - 6-2 6-2 3-3 to the 2002 finalist.

(special late-nite xpost)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:09 (twenty years ago)

And still they march on - SluiceGate's 5-4 up, and if there's a chance he can nick this set to stay in the match one would imagine he'll take it.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

I reckon Bandy isn't a morning person - it was him we were following at Roland Garros with increasing disbelief, as the clock edged towards 10pm CET.

5-5. They have to finish this set, right? There'll be a riot amongst the bleachers if not.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Bandy breaks to go 6-5 up. What odds Sluiter decides the light's getting a bit silly now?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

No, they've decided to put the MEN'S into MEN'S FUCKING TENNIS, NO PANSIES ALLOWED. Bandy races to 3 match points.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

It's Bandy. And goodnight.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

I like to watch tennis, which is to say i like to watch Sharapova -- much in the way that ladies like baseball, which is to say they like that Jeter fellow.

Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

Hello hello hello! I am back, for the second time this thread, and what a marvellous day I have had.

I wonder if Lex is watching this, cheering on the Linnet?

I certainly was. I saw the end of the first set, during which Linetskaya dictated virtually every point with aggressive groundstrokes which really exploited Hantuchova's poor movement. Then she...stopped. And became really passive, and tried counterpunching. Hence final score.

And for those of you wondering which court Lex has gone for, I'm taking a wild guess it might be #11, where Bobbysods and Lovely Igor are getting it on - 5-5 in the first.

Yes again! Igor is even prettier in the flesh, and I got to see the much-vaunted six-pack. He should have won in straights - he was clearly the superior player going into the tiebreak, but got rattled by a dodgy line call.

I saw the entirety of Haynes vs Serena - the first set may well be the most thrilling set of tennis of the fortnight. The tiebreak was insane. I've heard rumours that Haynes has, er, personal issues with Serena - and after her mega display of attitude throughout, I'm inclined to believe them. She is one feisty chick, and gorgeous to boot, and I love her. Some of the winners she hit were spectacular, it all begs the question of why she has no other notable results to speak of at all. Anyway, she kind of died after going up 2-1 in the final set, it was all quite anticlimactic. She looked really, really depressed when she trudged off court. On another note, I thought she looked fantastic with the funky headscarf and all - totally outdressed Serena, whose dress looked unfinished. She's Erykah Badu to Serena's J-Lo.

Other stuff seen - Zvonareva vs Weingärtner. We took a sweepstake on how long it would take Bepa to start crying. I won, with 'after three games'. Santoro v Wawrinka - Fabulous Fabrice is just magical to watch. I love junkballs so much. Bartoli v Fujiwara - Rika actually played very well, nice dropshots &c, but Maid Marion was blistering. Gasquet v Kohlschreiber - the first time I'd seen King(-In-Waiting) Richard, and I am suitably impressed. Schaul v Beltrame - poor Clouds is utterly lost at the moment, she looked as if she had no clue what to do on court at all. Ivanovic v Douchevina - Ivanovic has Wimbledon titles in her future, seriously.

I am EXTREMELY pissed off about the Henperson escaping defeat. And just bemused about JHH, though Daniilidou's definitely capable of lights-out tennis...

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 21 June 2005 22:54 (twenty years ago)

I se Sharapova has the Carzy Frog on her phone.

In our house, we have decided that ttennis is quite a good game, and that Tracey Austin looks like a right-wing evangelist /stroke/ teleshopping host on bad acid.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 06:38 (twenty years ago)

Is Henman out yet?

KeefW (kmw), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 06:39 (twenty years ago)

Keef: No.

Lex: Just seen a hilites package of Haines v SW. Angie Baby certainly matched the Rene grunt for grunt and the Fox commentator described Williams as 'dreadful at the start and not much better at the end'.

Also saw the Haas faas. As both Zaphod Beeblebrox and Hannibal Smith of the A Team said at various times, ten out of ten for macho but zero out of a million for smart.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

Princess Anastasia has just knocked over Nakamura, and the ack on Foxtel currently is of the Clidge already a break up on her own look-alike Marissa Irwin.

There must be dozens of matches happening, and why Uncle Rupe chose these two to share with us is quite mystifying.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

I didn't see the Haas faas. What did the silly aas do this time?

I take a couple of days off work and it's complete bloody chaos - to the extent that I've only just checked the online scores.

The Clij (my new fave for the women's title) is up a double break already and Mysky (my number two) has rediscovered her form and is trouncing Nakamura. Also re-energised by a close thing in the opening round is Taylor Dayne, romping away with it vs Kim. The Sherwood show, meanwhile, is almost over; Lopez the Logger is cutting a swathe through Notts: 6-2 6-4 5-1.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 11:28 (twenty years ago)

Having seen Clijsters win at Eastbourne on Saturday, I'm backing her too. Flip vs Safin a hard one to call? Looking pretty evenly matched so far.

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 11:31 (twenty years ago)

Tom was warming up and he fell over a stray ball while serving. The close-up of his ankle showed a lump the size of an egg. He strapped it up and played a set, which he lost, but packed it in when he was broken in the second set.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

One Brit down, four to go, Sherwood flicked in straight sets. Jankovic looks to be about to do the same to MDO.

JCF and HTL are at one set apiece, as are Gabelstaplerfahrer and Massu.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

Saffy just held for 5-5 from 0/40, triple set-point down (the first break points of the match). It's crucial that he wins this first set as I have a horrible feeling he might disintegrate if Poup gets the lead.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 11:48 (twenty years ago)

Mysky through and Kim C wins 6-1 6-1, making SEVEN unforced errors in the match, losing just three points on serve in the whole match (two of those were double faults). That's faintly awesomacious.

Saffy and Poup in the breaker.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile in Rupe-land, Kim v Marissa grinds on.

I have about two games to try and work in a reference to Riss's crocodile-fancying Oz legend namesake, Steve.

(Too late. Bugger!)

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, Saffy has a mini-break.

Buffalo Stan (Buffalo Stan), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

Ah, Safin takes the set, as Poup is shown to have absolutely no touch whatsoever. But WHAT IS UP WITH THE FACIAL HAIR, MARAT? Please, lose it.

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

First set Safin.

Clij actually lost five points on her serve in the match. I got carried away.

Grosj and Llod about to reappear on court #1, both clad in spectacular Gallic flares. Seb favours the 21" bottom with onion stitching, 'odra got his from some geezer in Altrincham - which is exactly what he was doing at the time.

Have I got time to go to Pret?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

Still no Saf v Ooze on the box aso I'm relying on you guys.

Am curently looking at 'the Mess' make one of Sanchez-Lorenzo (who, unless I'm very much Murray Walkered, scored the winner for the locals in the 88 FA Cup Final).

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

Ooze is being taped up or summat. Dental Surgery has won, which brings this question: does anyone in the world actually actively like Taylor Dent? (apart from the pinheaded commentators on Channel 9 who were all buddy-buddy with dad. SHUT UP FRED STOLLE YOU SUPERANNUATED CUNT)

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

Miracle Gro returns to form, blitzes Llodra double quick. Meanwhile, His Half-Decentness has gone 2 sets to 1 up on Ferrero, and Gimelstob is on the verge of doing the same to Massu... Hmm.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

Yay for Seb - he goes thru 6-4 in the 5th over Llodra (who didn't win a game on the resumption). JCF now two sets to one down vs DC Lee.

Breaksniffer says "Safin at 1-1 15/30! Yellow alert!"

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

meanwhile in the ladies', the battle of the double-barreled names looks like going all the way. Self Raising-Flour winning the first set but Maria Bento-box up a break in the second. otherwise all a bit dull and predictable so far today.

zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

Massu has taken the second to level Dim Gim and the third has gone to a tiebreaker.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

The Scowl now 2-1 up on Massu. Saf v Ouzo looks set for another tiebreaker.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

I am only following on the internet, but this Flip/Safin match looks hugely dull. Apart from when the net apparently fell down?

Archel (Archel), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:53 (twenty years ago)

It's the tennis equivalent of the "They're cancelling each other out, Clive" 0-0 draw. They were both inspired in their first round matches. Safin hasn't eked out a single break-point so far.

4-4 in the 2nd set t-b. JCF about to level vs the General.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

FINALLY! Channel 9 has caught up with the MS-MP match. All hail The Great Warthog!

Ouzo a mini-break up 4-2 and serving...and blowing it. Now looking at going 2 sets down.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

It is hugely dull. Even the net going down was dull. Mark is a thicko, a headcase, and he cannot play big points, which is why he's 2 sets down dspite not having faced a break point.

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Tennis would be a vastly more entertaining sport without Mark Philippoussis. The past year or so, while he's been injured/shagging Delta Goodrem/getting engaged to nubile 17-yr-olds like the one in his players' box, has been rather enjoyable. Go away again please Mark.

15-yr-old Nicole Vaidisova comes back from 0-3 down to take the first set against Egg Pasty.

There really are no other matches of consequence, are there? I'd really like to see Kuznetsova v Mirza later though.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

The Scowl broken game 1 set 4 but immediately breaks back v Massu. Flip serves three aces to recover from 15-30 in game 3 set 3, but Safin looking much the better - more in reserve and more options.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

You'd not want to rule out Fedge-Minar for thrills though, cos the Czech lad isn't out of his depth. What he is, though, is startlingly erratic - the brief bit I saw before BBC2's coverage ended included two of the worst attempts at drop shots ever, the second of which was so underhit that it failed to reach the net.

Vaidi through, Meg & Boozy in a second set tie-break, Washington and Sfar at a set apiece, and No-One Especially Bothered About Justin Gimelstob Shock (he's 2-1 up on Mmmmmassu).

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

Justin Gimelstob Gossip:

Remember when Corina Morariu had leukaemia? And her devoted husband helped nurse her back to health? And when she was able to play pro tennis again it was a fantastic and heart-warming story? Her next move was to have an affair with Gimelstob. Divorce ensued.

Oh, and Batty Patty Gossip from Monday, courtesy of people I know who went to see her - apparently she was in a total don't-give-a-shit mood, kept getting code violations for racket and ball abuse, and at one stage mocked all her opponent's mannerisms by mimicking her ball toss, return stance etc.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

I'm Slightly Curious About Justin Gimelstob - just the fact that he's playing. He withdrew from his final qualifying round match vs Bastl after ONE GAME, which seems a pretty jammy way to get yourself to the top of the Lucky Loser reserve list (which is presumably how he [and Roddick's next opponent Bracciali - another player apparently injured at Roehampton] made it into the main draw).

Safin converted his one and only break point and is now serving for r3.

(xpost! Gimelstob is now officially fascinatin').

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

Her next move was to have an affair with Gimelstob.

Was Vince Spadea unavailable?

Likhovtseva accounts for Shaughnessy.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

On Court 1 the Rogermeister has so far only broken once in a set and a half v Ivo Minar, whose name just demands the WBS treatment, and leads 6-4 (3-3 in the second). Bjorkman and David Enko 4-4 in the first.

The Best Name In The Womens'(just can't come at this 'Ladies' crap) Draw, Mashona Washington, is 1-1 in third v Tunisian Selima Sfar. The name at the other end of that league table, Shenay Perry, has beaten Tambourine Tanasugam 7-6 6-2.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and there goes Phillippoussis, straight-setted by Marat.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

Sfar, sgood for MaliVai's sis. Minar is fending off set-points here; Fedz appears to be taking the Sampras route to early-round progression: sleepwalk until there's a "five" in your column and then beef it up a bit. There we are: 6-4 6-4.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

Safin has broken. Say goodnight to the nice people, Mark.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

FURTHER FILTHY TENNIS GOSSIP: The Ass Canister pulled out of the tournament because the ATP are investigating him for failing a drugs test.

JCF goes a break up in the decider against HTL, Massu takes Filthy Adulterer to a tie-break.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

Will, refresh my memory: who's the Ass Canister?

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:43 (twenty years ago)

Fred - Canas.

Russian Dave takes the first-set tie-break wing-ding against Bjorkblokey, SilvFarEl through in three, and Gimelstob trounces Massu 7-0 in the tie-break, making Your Olympic Hero the first seed to fall today.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

What is it with Argentinian men and drugs tests? Offhand, I know Coria, Chela and Puerta have all had +ve tests...all cleared, I think. But still. Find one decent chemist, boys.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Federer and JCF are both through. Given that there's not much else one, I'm guessing the Beeb'll cross to centre, where Our Sania's a break up on Kuznetsova...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

That they have, and it's really good. Mirza's forehand is kind of OMG WOW. In the few minutes I've seen she's hit about four-five stunning winners already.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Mashona through. Hewitt away v Czech Jan Hernych, with two break points in first game.

Fred Nerk (Fred Nerk), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

Actually, it's more like stunning winners from both mixed in with really basic errors. But nevertheless quite exciting because Mirza is a break up again.

Mirza is wearing ankle supports, I presume, which look like thick black woollen hiking socks.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

WHAT IS ELENA DEMENTIEVA DOING 1-5 DOWN TO SABINE KLASCHKA OF ALL PEOPLE?!?!?!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

(Our Sania crumpled from 4-2 up, lost first set 4-6 to Kuzzy)

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

WHAT IS ELENA DEMENTIEVA DOING 1-5 DOWN TO SABINE KLASCHKA OF ALL PEOPLE?!?!?!

I'm going to guess "sobbing and pitching a fit".

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Klaschka has icy determination running through her like a stick of rock this week. I think she's the Terminatrix.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

The Mirza/Kuznetsova match is an odd one. The last few points: a 90mph Mirza forehand winner out of nowhere. A running forehand winner between the net post and the umpire's chair from Kuznetsova. Kuznetsova double fault. Kuznetsova backhand halfway up net. Random Mirza error. Two stunning Mirza backhand winners in a row. Which takes her 3-0 up in the second.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

Oh no, she's at it again - from 5-3 up, Sania slips to 5-5. Meanwhile the Diva's back to a set apiece against Klaschnekoff, Youzhny's a set down to the Lizard, Big Dave is trouncing Jamea Jackson.

REALLY odd thing - Hernych's showing signs of getting back into it against Hewitt - 5-3 up and serving in the second...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

Well, Sania clung on for a tie-break, which she took seven four. She's now 2-1 down and facing. Lleyts, meanwhile, took four games on the trot to take his second set 7-5.

And what's that out on court 3? Diva's been broken again? Oops. Kla-Cha-Cha 4-2 up and serving...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)

BBC News site seems to have fallen over. Ugh.

zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Eventually Sweatlodge triumphed 6-4 6-7 6-4, grand match though not quite on par with yesterday's Serena-Angie slugfest. Dementieva also finally dug herself out, 8-6 in the third, which means no women's seeds have gone so far today.

In the men's, Hewitt got through in four and Russian Dave had to withdraw with a wrist injury.

Currently, Ancic is being given all he can handle by Danai Udomchoke, Youzhny's come back against Lisnard to lead two sets to one with a break in the fourth, and in the fervored hype about Andy Murray people have forgotten that Gael Monfils is a bit of a handy young lad too - he leads Hrbaty 4-2 in the first.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, Sveta/Sania was a good match - very patchy for the first two sets but they both picked it up in the third. Sania was really outgunning Sveta whenever they engaged in power baseline rallies, and in the third Sveta really threw all her variety at Sania. Loopy topspin moonballs, biting sliced backhands, serves with less pace on them, drop shots, and in the last game when Sania seemed to be coming back, Sveta serve-volleyed on every point!

Sania's major weakness would seem to be her movement, girl is really slow and she rarely got to shots at full stretch. I'm sure we'll see a lot more of her though!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

MEN - all seeds through apart from those already mentioned AND... Dominik Hrbaty, out in four to Allez Monfils.

WOMEN - no seeds out. At all. But in round 3 - SERRA ZANETTI vs. MAGGIE MALEEVA SUPERCLASH OMG!!!

One match left. JoJo is two sets to one up on Grrrrrrreggg, but the Cockney Canuck is 6-5 up in the fourth...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Tie-break. 1-1.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:08 (twenty years ago)

JoJo takes it.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

Good! Now the Timthing needs to lose asap, then we get to watch decent matches.

Antonella Serra Zanetti in the Wimbledon third round makes me crack up. Keep blasting those serves, Antonella!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm, watching JJ hoof down the aces is preferable to watching Gregski (who at least has a whiff of forecourt craft about him)? Like a sentimental old twit, I love the late-night showcourt matches with the local flavour. What's the latest-ever finish on Centre, I wonder? 9:13pm tonight, perhaps a shade later when Pancho had his hissy fit against Pasarell in '69. Ah, Charlie Pasarell.

JJ, though - he so Jexy!

http://www.geocities.com/sojexy/banner2.JPG

While we're on the subject of names that sound like gobbing up, hands up who remembers Joakim Nystrom? Twice he served for the match against Becker in r3 in '85. How different the world would've been. President Dukakis and Pulp at #1.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:49 (twenty years ago)

Is this the ugliest thing in the Wimbledon shop? It's got some competition, mind...

http://shop.wimbledon.org/images/standard/WIM-50300428_l.jpg

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Oh - and the grotesquerie extends to the price tag. THIRTY-EIGHT QUID.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

It's... what is it?

Been looking through the player bios on site. Worst photo still in the draw is Jill Craybas, with Taylor Dent a close second. Best is Fabrice Santoro.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, the last one should be:

http://www.wimbledon.org/images/players/atps424.jpg

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

Hmmm, watching JJ hoof down the aces is preferable to watching Gregski (who at least has a whiff of forecourt craft about him)?

Oh, certainly not, but the advantage JoJo has is that we won't have to watch him at all because he is An Foreign. Until he plays Fed in the quarters, where it will be fun to see his big big serve get eaten alive.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 21:16 (twenty years ago)

Two interesting bits from the Wimbledon site interviews:

1) Gimelstob comes off as a lot more likeable than I would've guessed. Sample quote:

I was sitting watching Corina and Lindsay's double match yesterday, and these three guys were looking up at Henman's score and just blasting him to shreds saying, "I don't know why he doesn't retire, he's never going to win Wimbledon." After they're going on like this for a couple minutes, I finally ‑‑ albeit I am trying to live a kinder, gentler life, but I finally snapped and I just said to these guys, I just want you to know, you guys are the biggest idiots I've ever come across in my life. If you have any idea how hard it is to try and be one of the best players in the world or best people in the world at one thing, you guys have an unbelievable ambassador to England, he conducts himself unbelievably well, he deals with pressure, the pressure you guys put on him in this country as well as anyone can handle, he's a great person, family man, competes great, he's had a great career. Maybe he won't ever win Wimbledon, but since when is the barometer of success or failure being the absolute greatest at something? There's only one greatest at something. I mean, seriously, I think the bar is maybe set too high.

2) On the other hand, check out this bizarre exchange from the Hewitt interview:

Q. Pat Cash was commenting on the game. The camera came across your girlfriend. He remarked, thinking his microphone was off, "I bet she's up the duff." The BBC apologized for that. I wonder if you mind her being talked about like that?

LLEYTON HEWITT: You know, Pat's ‑‑ Pat always comes out with some loose comments now and then. Yeah, I was talking to Pat in the locker room just before. He obviously didn't bring that up (laughter). We're obviously pretty good mates. You know, I've got a lot of respect for him as a person.

Q. No offense taken?

LLEYTON HEWITT: No, not from me.

christmas lights (christmaslights), Wednesday, 22 June 2005 21:29 (twenty years ago)

I take that as confirmation that she is up the duff. Congratulations, Mr and Mrs Lleyton.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Thursday, 23 June 2005 06:08 (twenty years ago)

It's been pretty widely known that she's been up the duff for some time. Some of the trashy weekly mags have even been speculating as to what name the baby is going to have.

One thing that can be confirmed is that it is going to be the orangest baby ever.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 23 June 2005 06:13 (twenty years ago)

Gimelstob clearly gives good postmatch conf; there was an excerpt from an interview with him on Five Live (some hilarious anecdote about dope testing) but I couldn't hear a word cos my pocket radio went on the blink for 30 seconds.

Andrew Castle was comparing Federer to Darcy Bussell on the highlights show last night (which, despite the horror of Inverdale, I must now watch religiously due to being back at work, innit). Pam Shriver appears to be up the duff - a Lazenbaby.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 23 June 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

Mike, are you serious about Clijsters as favourite? She would be a good bet anyway, as 15th seed?

I am glad to see that my old favourite phrase is back: ... THE BREAKER.

Last night's highlights show was peculiar - perhaps because live action went on so long? - and with Castle's technology failing. At the end Inverdale murmured that it had been an interesting 45 minutes. Alas, his status as a stubby, simian version of early Tony Blair - the public-schoolfellow who tries, y'know, to be with it - is reaffirmed when he appears on screen.

It seems that R5 has an hour-long programme called DES AT WIMBLEDON. I have not heard that yet.

I am unsure whether anyone on this thread has yet mentioned the other most important person(age) at Wimbledon: Barry Davies.

the pinefox, Thursday, 23 June 2005 09:22 (twenty years ago)

Petchey: "Andy Murray can be as good as Wayne Rooney"

At what?

Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 23 June 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

Petchey: Andrew Murray might be as big as Wayne Rooney!
Shriver: What? Who? Wayne's World? Who?

(xpost!)

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 June 2005 09:26 (twenty years ago)

You won't believe this, Pinefox, but I was about to post about the re-emergence of Des and Barry in SW19, in a kind of clarion call to you.

Des was mostly playing the role of mediator last night as David Felgate and Annabel Croft almost came to blows over the state of British tennis (AC: "Do the LTA coaches go on courses to update their skills?" DF: "I can't believe you would actually ask me that." AC: "Don't be so defensive!" Etc.) Michael Stich keep stiching his oar in.

There was a moment on Tuesday when both McEnroe and Connors were in the commentary box at the same time. JPMc introduced him as "James Scott Connors". This made me very happy.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 23 June 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)

I heard that! It was even more elaborate - he was asked to do the introduction, and wound up for it, 'Ladies and Gentlemen...'. Connors has the voice of a Southern Gentleman, which probably means he is daily several times more violent than Peter Buck. I get the impression that JSC will be replacing JPMc during The Second Week when Mac fairly inexplicably, to me, disappears to US TV.

Very little Becker yet, in my experience. A good thing?

the pinefox, Thursday, 23 June 2005 09:36 (twenty years ago)

(PS / I think you should go ahead and post lots about the re-emergence of Des & Barry in SW19, anyway.)

the pinefox, Thursday, 23 June 2005 09:37 (twenty years ago)

I didn't really have much to say other than "Des & Barry are back, isn't it marvellous?"

It did occur to me last night, as I baked on the top-deck of a 468 through Camberwell, that as much as I revel in the luxury of days at home with BBCi, the Wimbledon experience for me is inextricably linked with eking out info from Radio 5 as the reception comes and goes and the soft ramblings of Christine Janes (nee Trueman) and Frew McMillan. As exciting as Tuesday was for channel-hoppers, the tournament started for me last night on the bus home with the Lynam burr.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 23 June 2005 09:53 (twenty years ago)

It's not really a burr, is it? What is it?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 23 June 2005 09:55 (twenty years ago)

A pleasingly sleazy ramble.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 23 June 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

The rustle of language.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Thursday, 23 June 2005 10:21 (twenty years ago)

Non-apropos, I note that Nadal and Monfils (the latter sans culottes, however) sport similar Nike sleeveless zip-collar tops. Dashing European teenagers, what!

Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 23 June 2005 10:28 (twenty years ago)

Did Sesil freeze or was Maria just too good? Bit of a lesson for the youngster. Henmang a set up. Craybag through. Andreeg looking good.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 23 June 2005 11:59 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, action already - Shap mashes Karats for the loss of one game, Dechy does for the Last Lady Standing, Danii With Two I's wallops Gloria, Dani With One I takes three sets to get by Peer, and we're already a seed down - Bartoli pistol-whipped by The Crayfish, and looking set to be joined by the Razzler - a set and 5-2 down in the tiebreak to Cara Black...
(xpost)

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

And despite saving two match points, Virginie gets vanquished, thus sadly ending the prospect of an all-bespectacled semi-final between her and Steph Foretz. Hem.

Meanwhile, on Court Two Venus is all over the place against The Pratt - from 4-2 up to 4-4, and she's only just held serve to go 5-4 up. One court further down, Fabrice is having one of those days. He loses the first set 6-1 to Jiri Novak, perhaps spurred on by there being a Czech player in Stepanek who's actually verging on being a bit interesting. Course, nothing's ever that simple with Santoro, who takes the second 6-4, and is 6-5 up with serve in the third.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

Did Sesil freeze or was Maria just too good?

Maria's a natural on grass. Sesil's played one match on it ever, and that against a British woman. It was always going to be painful, I think...I would be interested to See a rematch on clay. Poor Sesil.

Marion Bartoli, you are an enigma.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

Venus Williams is making her game against Nicole Pratt look incredibly difficult, which is amazing considering she is playing NICOLE BLOODY PRATT.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

Fabrices has gone to pieces - after making a pig's ear of serving for the third set, he lost the BREAKER and is now 1-4 in the 4th vs Novak (heir to a laminate flooring fortune). Santoro has converted three of his 18 break-point chances. Can you say profligate? Prof-lee-gut. Good lad. Next week: fricatives with a gobful of avocado.

Hennety back on terms. Not another bloody five-setter.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 23 June 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

Febreze and Pratt both dispatched, natural order of things maintained, if you honestly think Jiri Novak making R3 is in any way natural.

Out on Court 18, it's a carnival of rocket launchers as Arthurs Plays Popp. German leads 6-3 3-2. Perhaps somewhat surprisingly Pennetta is in control against Dulko, Tim's just squandered a break in the third, Muller's a set up on Rafa, Conchita's a set up on Brandi, Vera's a set up on Peschke, Bondarenko's through and Gasquet's just done for Elsie. Also - Rochus Superior and Max Mirnyi. Hello boys.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

Come on Sabine! The beldam of Beltrame is being humbled by The Tediously Efficient Face Of Russian Tennis. But she's too cute to go out!

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 23 June 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

But Nadia is quite splendid herself!

Penne makes pasta of Gorgeous Gisela, and the Conchitron butters Brandi.

Tursunov serving for fourth set against Henbot. C'MON DMITRY.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 June 2005 13:45 (twenty years ago)

Malisse a set up on Coria, Muller-Nadal and Arthurs-Popp one set apiece, Peschke, Foretz, Rochus all digging in.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Fifth set - COME ON DMITRY!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 June 2005 13:49 (twenty years ago)

Vera's imploding again - Peschke took the second set 6-4, and she's serving at 30-0, 5-3 up...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Dmitry broke the Timthing and will serve for the match. COME ON DMITRY.

Vera :(

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

yep, she gone. Meanwhile, Clay-Courters of the Wuh-hurld, yoo-nite and take oh-ver - Coria's got a set back off Malisse. Nadal still 2 sets to 1 down on the Luxemburger.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Two match points TerseEnough!

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

He misses both of them!

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

HENPERSON LIVES! (for now)

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

THAT WAS SUCH A FUCKING CHOKE

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

it's like fucking water torture. so close to the BLISS of a henperson-free wimbledon yet so far away

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Elsewhere, Ana The Van graduates in Deforetzation, Mulleh Bulleh break up on Nadal, Andy Pav set and break up on ThoJo, Coria holding firm, Popp and Arthurs going with serve.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Go, Timmmmeeee!

If only we had t'interweb at home, there was a great thing to be had in JoJo telling GRusk to "leave, right now, it's the end of you and me" last night.

Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

6-6 on Centre - sudden death it is...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:40 (twenty years ago)

DOUBLE BREAK POINT TURSUNOV...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

He gets the second one, and he's serving out for it again!

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

don't bottle it this time Dmitry!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

Oh, and Muller's got two match points on Nadal.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

He only needs one, and Wimbledon kisses the Capri pants kid goodbye.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

Treble match point Tursunov...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

If he shits away all 3 match points, he deserves to lose.

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

Misses one...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:46 (twenty years ago)

GETS THE SECOND! And Andy Murray's the Last Brit Standing...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Those of you with sufficient viewing equipment - Court Two, Coria-Malisse is looking like being a thriller. G'Mo's just gone a break up, serving out for the third at 6-5...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Hooray!

Boo for Nadal and Vera going out, though.

Haha, Andrew Murray is the Last Brit.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Bye bye Tim, you're just not good enough are you.

Archel (Archel), Thursday, 23 June 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

GO, NADS.

I fear I'm going to dislike this one for the next decade or so. He's such a lank-haired poser. He reminds me of me at his age.

Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:02 (twenty years ago)

Serena is two breaks down against St Angel!

Is it very wrong to find Andrew Murray a bit attractive?

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

That rally Murray just broke serve with was incredible!

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 June 2005 15:34 (twenty years ago)

I am worried that the media will make me as embarrassed to want Murray to win as it does whenever I stick my head over the parapet and face down the Hen-haters. Interviewing a bunch of yahs all going "ooh, he's gorgeous, pass the Pimms darling" is exactly the way to do this.

However, right now he is looking good against Stepanek, so all power to him for now.

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

He can certainly handle the occasion, I'll give him that. Geeing up the crowds on his second matchpoint, not totally losing his nerve after passing up a gilt-edged chance to win...

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

Um, wow!

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 23 June 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

Not that they were lacking action elsewhere - who'd have reckoned Coria would make it this far? and even then, at the expense of Xavier Malisse? Popp and Arthurs had a 26-game final set, with the German eventually coming out on top (he gets Tursunov next unless I'm entirely mistaken...) Tommy Jo had to battle for his win against Pav, Wee Seb not so much against Vic.

The women's didn't bring shock results, but shock performances - Serena dropped an entire set against Santangelo before finally switching herself on and getting through, while Mary had to go to war against Akuavak, finally taking the third set 9-7.

On court now, Bandy's looking good against the ever-sort-of-green Kucera, Lu and Raver are into their fifth set now, Novak Djokovic (there must something in there, I'll find it soon) has won a third set tie-break to stay in against Guillermo Garcia-Lopez, and Bracciali-Roddick is going with serve. Shock.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

Bracciali just played out of his skin to pinch the third set in the gloom vs Roddick, to trail 1-2 overnight. Nice to see A-Rod getting roundly booed as he stomped offcourt, pre-empting the umpire's suspension by packing up his rackets. Daniele got a hero's ovation 30 seconds later, playing the populist "Hey, I wanted to carry on too" card. It'll be Anita in four, but good to see him troubled.

Djokovic came all the way back to beat GGL and Bandy won with such economy and style against Kucera that I expect the Murray flurry to end in a hurry on Saturry.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 23 June 2005 19:01 (twenty years ago)

Hilton and Marray just blew a match-point vs Karlovic/Wasse on court 2...5-5 in the 5th and they're off for bad light. The Brits look like all the kittens in the world just expired and they were responsible.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 23 June 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Is Henman out yet?

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 23 June 2005 19:22 (twenty years ago)

Yes. Do keep up.

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 23 June 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Nice!

KeefW (kmw), Thursday, 23 June 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

From the Wimbers site's interview with Andy Murray:

Q. Did Stepanek congratulate you on your win?

ANDREW MURRAY: No (smiling). I wasn't even listening to him at the end. I don't like him.

Q. So neither of you exchanged a word to each other at the end?

ANDREW MURRAY: I just said "bad luck" to him and didn't really listen to what he was saying.

Hahaha. Timbot he ain't. The more cynical, self-hating Brits may have to get used to getting behind someone from their own country for a change ...

darren (darren), Thursday, 23 June 2005 21:56 (twenty years ago)

The more cynical, self-hating Brits

That wouldn't be a reference to anyone on this thread, would it?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 23 June 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Haha you could probably take your pick.

There's a goldmine of obnoxious Sesil-esque Brat Quotes from Murray to choose from in the past apparently. I love him. It is very odd to actually genuinely find myself liking a British male player. It amuses me to think that he went to school and is still friends with Nadal and Kuznetsova.

Are the Williams sisters having an intra-family competition to see who can play worse while still winning? Serena looked dreadful against Santangelo and as for Venus, dropping eight whole games to Nicole Pratt is unacceptable for anyone who considers themself of top 50 calibre.

Ivanovic to beat Pierce in the next round. Ivanovic is special.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 June 2005 22:16 (twenty years ago)

Pick of the third-round matches -

JCF-Mayer - former world #1 vs. last year's surprise quarter-finalist. Possibly best match of the round.
Murray-Bandy - He's a massive underdog, but if Murray wins he'd likely get Gasquet the round after, which would definitely be intriguing - oooh, actually:
Gasquet-Muller - Muller took out Nadal, who ain't a grass-court specialist, but then again last year Gasquet went out in the first round here
Coria-Melzer - because the wee man looks to be taking it rather seriously this year, and Melzer's already taken out Ljubicic
Andreev-provisionally Roddick - because Lex will go apeshit

Vinci-Clijsters - should be Clijsters, but taking out Ai then straight-setting Kremer suggests Vinci might be a stiffer test than expected.
Vaidisova-Kuznetsova - Sveta really wasn't at ease against Mirza, and now she's run into a seed, albeit a young and inexperienced one. Upset?
Myskina-Jankovic - After the Bohmova war, Nastya seemed to raise her game against Nakamura. Nakamura ain't the 17th seed, tho.
Washington-Dementieva - Klaschka nearly took the Diva out, and she's the world #177. 3-set minimum.
Venus-Hantuchova - Venus is in decline. Hantuchova, however, is Hantuchova, and if Venus is gonna come back into form, you'd think this would be the place to start.
Craybas-Williams - on paper, a stomping. That's what they'd have said about Haynes and Santangelo, though. Serena needs a confidence booster and fast, Craybas will probably never get this opportunity ever again. Serena 6-0 6-0 then.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 23:27 (twenty years ago)

There are some really tantalising matches in there.

Hopefully Vaidisova v Kuznetsova will be televised tomorrow - Kuznetsova has quite frankly looked shaky for a while now, but while Vaidisova has all the weapons to be a future grass court force she doesn't have the comfort level yet, whereas Mirza grew up on the stuff. Dangerous, but Sveta should have the experience to see her through.

Nastya's losing unfortunately. Jankovic is looking good lately and I don't think wins over Bohmova and Nakamura are really indicative of Nastya's slump ending, especially as the personal and physical crises continue.

If Serena loses even a set to Craybas it will be quite astonishing...at least Haynes and Santangelo have weapons.

Bandy should outclass Murray but can be awfully flaky sometimes.

Andreev v Roddick promises to send me apoplectic.

Ancic v Monfils and Lopez v Safin look great as well! Daniilidou v Pennetta should be very stylish.

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 23 June 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

Oh, didn't spot - Nadia Petrova vs. Cara Black. Rich man's Elena Bovina vs. wily veteran doubles specialist (and, in fact, reigning doubles champion here). Crikey, if Cara takes this, then she might well get Conchita Martinez in the next round. There's a bloody throwback for you...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 23:44 (twenty years ago)

Daniilidou is the most interesting player left in the draw I'd reckon. Her beating JHH is still THE shock of this year's tournament, and you'd back her to take out Pennetta. Ivanovic or Pierce would be trickier, but get by them and it looks like A Williams Sister. Get by them... well, Sharapova will take her out if she's still in. But how far can Eleni go?

Similarly, Serena's not looking great, but you'd back her to get to the quarters at least, and then maybe the Sharapova rematch, which, give her form thus far but adding in the fact that she will absolutely not surrender ever, should be fascinating.

Plus, who the hell will come out the top half? Big Dave's only conceded five games thus far, but hardly against top-drawer opponents, and goodness knows if Dinara will stretch her that much. Then she'll probably get Clijsters, in a match that'll tell us a lot more about either of them than all their previous encounters put together... winner of that (presumably) gets a somewhat out-of-sorts Kuznetsova. And after that, Amelie. Who, looking at the draw, won't have had to go through much to get to the semi-final... crikey, might this be the year SW19 gets Mesmo-rised? Though you'd back Sharapova or Serena to squelch her in the final.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 23 June 2005 23:56 (twenty years ago)

My mum loves Eleni Daniilidou, so she's well chuffed. "I love watching her play, but she always gets knocked out so bloody soon" she would say.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 24 June 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

went there yesterday...

started by watching gasquet-elseneer. Good stuff gasquet seemed to have a good all round range, elseneer had the better serve but thankfully that wasn't good enough. then I went to queue for re-sales (sort of agonizing for a bit over this - think I missed MYSKINA playing doubles), just by henman hill to erm, witness its death (this shatters the illusion, and complaining abt ballboys is kind of an acknowlegment but damn it I LIKED TO BELIEVE)...its the murray hill now or whatever they'll call it, but its just so sad.

having said all that by the time I had my centre court ticket and wz soon enough staring at SERENA WILLIAMS OMG!!! it was like "thank you henbot you gave me this". not to get to calumny abt this but let's just say it was the perfect view for serena watching...and the match went to 3 sets!!

I stuck till the end - watched Bracciali-roddick. Can't remember the anti-roddick args anymore but I gotta say: seeing him smash a few is quite a show (brutal really, one thing you can't quite get from watching it on TV) but in the end he's a bully. Hated the way he'd get up mid-break as if to hurry his opponent! and the crowd for lapping it up. He just hasn't the all round game and wz never more glad that safin and federer are around.

And just like bullies if you fight back (he didn't panic, called a medical time out [hey, it slows things down, whether it was a problem or not], gathered himself, got to read the serve and he dished it out in the tie-break), they aren't all that anymore. but now roddick will prob get it together and end it in 4 bah.

had a great day. really good to finally go.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 June 2005 07:24 (twenty years ago)

Top quality reporting back from Julio! Unfortunately, it looks as if I won't make it this year; I had entertained thoughts of post-5pm today but that's impossible now.

Murray's got that edgy, faraway look in his eyes that the young JPMc had; he's rather handsome in a slightly gormless way. If he beats Bandy - well, there are few better players on this surface in that part of the draw, so in theory he could go as far as Henman ever did, but surely fatigue will set in. He doesn't seem to have great conditioning. Bandy in four, I think. I read some daft odds (over the shoulder of a betting colleague) regarding AM: 8-1 against him never being world #1. 50-1 against him being world #1 this year. Ridiculous.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 07:49 (twenty years ago)

With Will on the Intrigue of Eleni - I remember when she stormed into the top 15 two years ago and everyone assumed she was destined for great things, but then she went into a rather dismal slump which only really ended two weeks ago. I think Ivanovic will do for her, because young Ana really is that good, but it's nice to see the Daniilidou resurgence.

If Venus beats Single-I Dani, I think I might back her over Serena.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 24 June 2005 09:23 (twenty years ago)

So far on the outside courts: very tight in all the Russian matches (on serve approaching five-allness), Mauresmo has yet to drop a game vs Perry (and they've played eight), Maleeva a set to the good vs Serra Zanetti.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 10:49 (twenty years ago)

especially as the personal and physical crises continue.

What personal crisis does Myskina have? Nothing too serious I hope!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 June 2005 10:56 (twenty years ago)

Myskina's mum is seriously ill.

There was resolution of the seven-five kind in the three Eastern Bloc matches: good for Kuznets (who also has a break in the 2nd) and Dementi, bad for Likhovts. Amelie one game from r4.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 11:08 (twenty years ago)

Oh, shame!

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 24 June 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

Maleeva and Mauresmo are through, Iris DeMent is almost there. The boys have come out to play too.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 11:18 (twenty years ago)

Myskina's mum is seriously ill.

cancer, apparently :(

Kuznetsova v Vaidisova reminded me a lot of the Mirza match - Vaidisova has astonishing power for a 16-yr-old and Kuznetsova's still very erratic, but at crunch time she's canny enough to pull out some more varied shots.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 24 June 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)

Myskina is happily proving us wrong: 6-0 first set vs Jankovic! Safin drops the first vs Lopez - a blip, surely? Dent up 4-0 in no time, Thresher got the break back in the 2nd and is hanging on vs FarinaFarina and...Vaidisova levels vs Kuznet! Get a load of that!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

Eep - Vaidisova takes second set tiebreak against Sveta. Meanwhile, Saffie's lost the first set against Lopez, and Nastya has improbably whitewashed Weird Jelena in their first set...

xp!

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 24 June 2005 11:52 (twenty years ago)

I don't like Weird Jel. I think she's crabby looking. Lley-lley has just held his opening serve against Stobshite.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 24 June 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

Myskina is playing like a demon because she is seriously pissed about her French Open results, I'm guessing. Good for her; not normally a player I root for but it's inspiring to see someone fight through adversity.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 June 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

Bloody hell, Marat, pull your finger out: two sets down. Meanwhile, Nastya blows it at m-p up: back to 5-5 in the 2nd.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

I think you should go post-5pm today, Mike.

That's what I think.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Friday, 24 June 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

*ominous Mellotron riff*

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 24 June 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

In fact, I think you should feign illness and go one day next week.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Friday, 24 June 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

Oh for fuck's sake Anastasia.

6-0 5-3 40-15 has somehow turned into 6-0 5-7.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 24 June 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

(I'm off three days next week on holiday - which is partly why leaving work early is out of the question now.)

After saving four break points, Mysky is now 0-2 in the 3rd. :(

And Safin is going out too - 2-5 in the 3rd. Not a good day.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

I should just stop complimenting people; the instant I do, their playing turns to shit.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

(In that case, have the other two off as well.)

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

Lick Shots licks Self Raising Flour, taking the decider 6-4. Boo!

zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

OMG - Myskina back from 1-5 to 4-5 with her serve to follow. What an insane match...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

And it's back to 5-5. It's the CHOKE-OFF!

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

6-5 to Jankovic; I think Myskina missed around seven break-points in that game...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

AM to serve at 6-7 - another three b-ps went begging in that game (she's converted 7 of 30 in this match)...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

7-7. It's suddenly gone very dark here in Holborn. How is it in the SW, I wonder?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

32 is Nastya's lucky number; she breaks at the second attempt in game 15 and will serve for the match (about 90min after she last did).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 13:56 (twenty years ago)

Oh, Jesus. Myskina blows another m-p: it's 8-8.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

AM breaks again for 9-8. I think Amnesty International need to intervene here. This is just cruel.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Chokeathon!

Meanwhile, Fernando "Don't Call Me Pancho" Gonzalez is making short work of JoJo. Roddick and Braccilai are back on court... for now. I sense rain.

zebedee (zebedee), Friday, 24 June 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

It's Myskina: 6-0 5-7 10-8. Tennis, eh? Bloody hell.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

At 6-6 I couldn't take it any more and seeing as it wasn't being televised, I went out to pay some bills.

I came back just in time for the last couple of shots :) :) :)

I have missed seeing Nastya's smile! It's good to have it back.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 24 June 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Bracciali breaks Roddick for the first time...and it starts to rain.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

That game was stupendous from Bracciali! He broke Anita to love with a stunning return down the line, a mishit backhand pass, a truly exquisite lob and finally a forehand return directed right at Roddick's body. Sweeeet.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 24 June 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

And now the fifth set! COME ON DANIELE.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 24 June 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Roddick breaks. Where the rain now, eh? EH?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:19 (twenty years ago)

damn fuck roddick. come on bracciali make him serve for the match

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:23 (twenty years ago)

Roddick is such a twat.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

myskina's match was awesome - hope this is a turn for the better.

shame abt marat :-(

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

bah bracciali just lost a bit of cool in the fifth, maybe the rain break helped but there you go.

also hewitt through - bad day.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

And that's that. I get the impression they were only able to restart after the rain on Centre, is that right?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Are we going to see any more play tonight? Is it worth me running for the penultimate southbound X68?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 24 June 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

hmm...looks bad :-(

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Friday, 24 June 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

I thought the talk about Henman yesterday was oddly skewed. Al this 'Goodbye, Tim, it's the end' stuff - well, he's not going to win it, no, and not many thought he would; but he has the right to keep turning up. I liked his riposte that he'd quit if all the journalists who are worse than 8th-best in the world would join him.

Murray's play impressed me greatly. But I'm becoming fearful of his future - of the at least latent arrogance, the posible brattishness, the sense that he comes from a generation schooled out of manners by hip-hop and computer games. I don't know if I want to watch the triumphant progress of a young man like that.

Nadal and Safin were my tips for the top. So much for the top.

the pinefox, Friday, 24 June 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

Irritating post-triumph handwave TS: Sharapova vs. Serena. I do like how even in the L'Oreal ad Maria can't help but get her death-stare on.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 24 June 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

the sense that he comes from a generation schooled out of manners by hip-hop and computer games

Thanks goodness I had Hatful of Hollow and Monopoly to guide me along the path to social niceness.

Stupid prediction time: Ancic-Nalbandian final. Federer to implode in an epic GS semi for the third time this year.

They were all laying into the Williams sisters on Lynam's show last night ("rudest people I've ever interviewed", etc); I almost wished Dan Perry had been there for a bit of balance. Almost. Gerry Williams turned up, was asked for his favourite Wimbledon memories, said "Arthur Ashe..." and immediately regretted it because he got so choked up. What a strange, lachrymose character is Gerry.

I thought the women got extremely short shrift on the highlights show last night, considering there were three very tight matches involving title contenders, one of them a bizarre rollercoaster. Nice to finally see Gimelstob leapin' abaht. He looks a bit like...Dave Boyle.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 25 June 2005 08:02 (twenty years ago)

Andrew Murray reminds me of Gregory in Gregory's Girl. That is all.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 08:12 (twenty years ago)

The Pinefox is turning into Richard Williams. From the press conferences I've seen, I find Murray rather droll.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Saturday, 25 June 2005 08:25 (twenty years ago)

This arselicking parade of every sporting person who wanted a free ticket is a bit excruciating. (no idea why Sean Connery got in too)

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I get it, it's a "please give us the Olympics, rah, three cheers for London" PR exercise.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

In other news, the Fedmeister was looking none-too-convincing against Jack Bauer, and I haven't seen anything else much that surprised me.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

of the at least latent arrogance, the posible brattishness

This is something which interests me. It's something I welcome. There's an awful tendency in Britain, and perhaps especially in Scotland, to have arrogance bred out of you, to be brought up believing in the myth of the plucky loss, of the honourable defeat in the face of a superior opponent.

Not to say I don't respect that - if Murray loses today he should be rightly lauded, but we're looking for champions, aren't we? Let's start but changing the language. Let's not call it arrogance. Because in sporting terms, in the terms we're talking about here, arrogance is simply a negative spin on a positive thing, confidence.

Confidence, now that's something we want. The most important single aspect of sport, in fact. And if it borders onto arrogance then I believe it's only another faculty of play, as much a part of the technique of winning as the position of your feet for every top-spin backhand down the line. I don't exactly believe the hype, if you will, but as long as everyone else does, the job has been done.

I think Murray is an intelligent kid; I think he is a genuinely nice kid. In the last two matches he has stated he will lose. Is that humility, arrogance, realism or just mind games? Whatever, there's an air around him, there's a spark there, there's the energy and fragility and excitement within him that only the young can muster.

I dream of a day when every Scottish sportsperson believes that they are inherently better than every opponent they face, even if statistics or commentary suggest otherwise. I look forward to the next 10 years of brash, bold, thrilling Andrew Murray.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 25 June 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

Our snooker players seem to have mastered this self-belief thing, but the rest of them have some way to go to catch up. I am reminded of the slow, menacing entrance of the 1990 Grand-Slam-winning rugby team led out by David Sole. They weren't expected to do anything, but they believed they could anyway. That makes them worth a billion Colin Montgomeries to me.

I think however that there's an awful sense of fear in Scotland of people thinking they can win stuff (see Ally McLeod, 1978 version, for how much this can backfire). I don't think Scotland's ever recovered from that as a sporting nation, and heaping it all on the shoulders of an 18 year old kid isn't going to help us, or him.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

http://yel-a-0.sportinglife.com/images/allsportsharapovar3wimbers.jpg

Ooooh Sharapova. Sad to see her make heavy weather of her walk-over match against Srebotnik earlier on, still hasn't ironed out the problems that dogged her at Birmingham last week. I'm hoping she can tighten up her game now she's in the last 16.
We could be together too.

Ah yeah, yay Murray and all that.

DMerryweather, Saturday, 25 June 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Murray walks out for the first time on Centre Court listening to The Black-Eyed Peas on his ipod! I'm not sure how I feel about this development.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

He has been listening to them all week. He's *eighteen*, he's allowed to listen to shit.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, OK.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

Hoho "he has an urban look about him which will appeal to younger people".

No he doesn't. He looks like a teenage John Gordon Sinclair. This is not URBAN.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

I am currently in danger of breaking my laptop with all the jumping around that Murray is inspiring. Huzzah! (for the fact that I'm being inspired, not for the imminent death of my laptop)

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Ailsa OTM re JG Sinclair - its something that occurred to me a few days ago too. Like Gregory mixed in with a bit of David McClymont of Orange Juice and possibly a smidgeon of Stephen Pastel.

darren (darren), Saturday, 25 June 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

This definitely doesn't make him "urban", it makes him a poster boy for shuffling cardie-wearing 30-somethings.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

So you saw me ambling to Sainsbury's this morning then !

darren (darren), Saturday, 25 June 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

No, I looked in a mirror.

I am stupidly impressed with young Mr Murray. I was expecting him to get horsed when faced with a previous finalist, but he is forcing all manner of errors out of Bandyboy and I'm sorry I doubted him now.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

2 sets to love at the moment. If he goes through, he will play Gasquet.

AdrianB (AdrianB), Saturday, 25 June 2005 15:57 (twenty years ago)

Murray really is a very strange player to watch, sometimes.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 25 June 2005 16:25 (twenty years ago)

Oh, this is nothing short of extremely entertaining though. Especially watching Sean Connery on the verge of a heart attack.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

poor kid.

c/n (Cozen), Saturday, 25 June 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

That over-ruled decision where he would have broken Nalbandian in the fourth set and have been serving for the match - heartbreaking. He's still showing bags of character staring down both barrels at the moment.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 17:39 (twenty years ago)

Though he looks knackered and defeated at the same time as pulling off some imaginative shots, I think he knows it's beyond him now.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

I think Murray's big mistake was that he appeared to give up on the third set at some point, I guess a sort of rest-a-bit-and-take-fourth strategy. A schoolboy howler. Aragornalbandian has crushed him like he crushed the forces of MORDOR.

Flyboy (Flyboy), Saturday, 25 June 2005 17:43 (twenty years ago)

I may be being unfair but he should have won it.

c/n (Cozen), Saturday, 25 June 2005 17:44 (twenty years ago)

Perhaps he can go and storm the boys tournament now, he is still eligible and registered after all.

I think Flyboy is doing him a disservice. He looked all in by the fifth set, and I think putting in an effort in the third when that was evidently beyond him would have just finished him off sooner. He was within one dodgy decision of serving for the match, don't forget.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 17:46 (twenty years ago)

The decision was correct. I'm more excited to see how he does at the Australian, U.S. and French.

Ally C (Ally C), Saturday, 25 June 2005 18:19 (twenty years ago)

I'm not disputing the correctness of the decision, but I think the circumstances surrounding it, and the timing, were unfortunate for young Mr M. It was the point at which I thought "he's not going to do this". Everything had been going so well up until then.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 25 June 2005 18:37 (twenty years ago)

I'm more excited to see how he does at the Australian, U.S. and French.

If he gets in - he was a wildcard here, ranked 300+. Last 32 of a GS will probably halve his ranking but maybe not enough to skip the qualifiers at Flushing Meadow. But, y'know, he should walk those. He's patently a top-30 talent who is a bit raw and lacks the requisite stamina. He'll enjoy himself over best-of-three when he graduates to the main tour and will be a threat at the Slams in a coupla years. I'm ashamed to say I just couldn't root for him though - maybe if he'd been playing someone I wasn't so fond of - a Hewitt or a Roddick. I thought it was Bandy's from 2-0 in the 3rd.

One player with a great U-18 record who burned out in a similar fashion on his major debut was Stefan Edberg. Having won the junior grand slam in '83, he led Johan Kriek by two sets in r2 at Wimb '84, playing perfect serve-volley. Ultimately, Kriek recovered and won the last three sets for the loss of six games as the Swede wilted. Later that summer SE got a hardcourt lesson from McEnroe at Flushing Meadow in an embarrassingly one-sided match. Within 15 months Edberg had won his first GS title. Watch out for Murray at the 2007 Aussie Open.

Cracking day all round, maybe better than Tuesday; Craybas has just beaten Serena W 6-3 7-6 in a bizarre match on court #2 (they were supposed to be the 4th match on Centre but were switched outside when Murray-Bandy ran late); Serena failed to hold any of her first five service games. When Williams finally started to play, Jill C someone raised her level too: from appearing to choke when serving for a 5-3 2nd set lead, she held her nerve and the Serena errorfest resumed in the breaker. The Federer-Kiefer match had its pleasures, Coria's comeback vs Melzer was thrilling (can he trouble Roddick?), Ferrero was utterly inspired in the last three sets vs Mayer and Kim chugs painlessly on.

The last 16s:

Federer-Ferrero
Gonzalez-Youzhny
Hewitt-Dent
Ancic-Lopez
Mirnyi-Johansson T
Nalbandian-Gasquet
Tursunov-Grosjean
Coria-Roddick

Davenport-Clijsters
Maleeva-Kuznetsova
Mauresmo-Likhovtseva
Myskina-Dementieva
Pennetta-Pierce
Williams V-Craybas
Petrova-Peschke
Dechy-Sharapova

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 25 June 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

'I'm ashamed to say I just couldn't root for him though - maybe if he'd been playing someone I wasn't so fond of - a Hewitt or a Roddick'

yeah I really like nalbandian - excelelnt all round game, can play on all surfaces and just hope he'll win a slam someday. utterly gutted when hewitt beat him in the final a cpl of years ago. Murray may have his day. I don't think he should play the juniors next week - its just not his scene anymore.

nalbandian-gasquet will be good.

damn I switched it off after murray thinking all the matches were over so I missed serena.

Ferrero looks in good touch (hurrah!) and I'm hoping for a classic on monday. Really liking Coria's play so you never know.

also - what was hantuchova (sp?) saying to venus' father?

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 25 June 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Grr. Narked that I've managed to see roughly none of it, bar a few points of Murray-Bandy - three cheers for dismantling walk-in wardrobe units. But god, just as I thought all the upsets had been thwarted - G'WON THE CRAYFISH! I am gonna try and see as much of the next week as I possibly can, cos it does look quite excellent. Part of me is hoping we get VENUS ON A MISSION, cos Williams sister empathy isn't the most common of qualities but Venus has been shunted that far into the shadows, and been looked over so much when you consider how dominant she once was, that a win here for her would be kinda cool.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 25 June 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

just got back from dancing in Hyde Park to Vitalic and Basement Jaxx et al and WTFWTFWTF Serena losing to Craybas on grass or indeed anywhere, now I have truly seen it all. Craybas is someone that Serena '02 could beat left-handed on a broken leg! My god.

I'm very sad about Andy Murray, someone texted me that result. I guess the first real test of his career is really whether he has the work ethic to transform his fitness - he's not naturally athletic à la Nadal, so he'll have to have Henin-Hardenne levels of dedication to get to that level. Still, a really great effort. I hope the media remember that he still won't even be in the top 150 after Wimbledon and top-level results will not be immediately forthcoming.

I'm not looking forward to Coria v Dickhead, the conditions and surface and game match-up are ludicrously in Anita's favour and it could well be something of a rout :(

Statistical oddity - Mary Pierce's Grand Slam wins so far:

1995 - Australian Open
2000 - Roland Garros
2005 - ???

Her draw has certainly fallen apart enough to take advantage: she beat Venus at the Olympics and Sharapova at the US Open, and all the top contenders in the top half are notorious chokers. And if she's playing well enough to routine Ivanovic (whom I clearly jinxed by bigging up), things are looking up for Mademoiselle Marie.

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 25 June 2005 23:07 (twenty years ago)

I hope Pierce, Davenport or Venus wins now.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 26 June 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

Pierce fell apart completely in the French final though, it was bizarre and really annoying to watch as JHH didn't have to do anything to win. It would be great to see Lindsay D kick it up, as she's looking really fit and happy at the moment. Surely her last year?

Liz :x (Liz :x), Monday, 27 June 2005 10:10 (twenty years ago)

Mary P a set up and Bandy serving for a similar advantage.

Surprise of the day so far: Ancic is having a bit of a 'mare with his serve. Nine double faults have seen him drop the first set to Lopez and quickly go a break down in the second. He's recovered that but is struggling to hold again. Johansson (T) has broken the Beast.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 27 June 2005 10:58 (twenty years ago)

TEN double faults and 40% first-serve: UnsuperMario 1-3 in the 2nd. Sad. Players rarely seem to be able to get themselves out of these ruts without taking the pace off and I bet Lopez has got his eye in by now.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 27 June 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

Ancic two sets down, Hewitt up a double-break superquicklike, bit of an early wobble for Everyone's Dark Horse Amelie, ToJo a set and a break up, Pierce thru three'n'one.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 27 June 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

I love Bandy, I've decided. I always had a soft spot, but he's great. And handsome in a noble, blonde kind of way.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 27 June 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

Orthodontist got off to a horrid start - Chewitt going 4-0 up in about ten seconds, double faults and missed volleys all over the place while the Llout wasn't missing anything. Points for 5-0 went astray, but there's no doubt about who is In Control right now.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 11:33 (twenty years ago)

And Chewit is up a break in the second. Fred Stolle, doing the commentary, continues to be a superannuated fuck-face, going on and on about Phil Dent oblivious to the fact that NOBODY LIKES TAYLOR DENT. I mean, the desire for raunchy mansex from Taylor is almost as palpable as when the US commentators froth about R-Dick.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 12:05 (twenty years ago)

And Bandy goes two sets up! Goodbye Mario Lanzarotten - you did a bloody Safin, you berk. 15 aces and 16 double-faults, or was it the other way round? Can someone now tip Roddick, please?

Another subject of murmurs of admiration and "Name on the cup" tittle-tattle who isn't folding utterly is AmelieM - up a set and two breaks of the Oddbins serve. The Beast has yet to roar against TommyJ - going meekly thus far, two sets and a break in deficit.

Heard a bit of Dent's postmatch conf on the radio, where he was quizzed about his not-very-well-disguised weight-gain. He was very affable about it all until someone mentioned John Daly. "John Daly? Jeez, c'mon! John Daly?"

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 27 June 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

Right, against everything else, I still like Lleyton, but when he argues with the umpires, I waver quite a lot... arguing with the umpire over whether he made an overrule that was clearly audible... NOT COOL.

Now code violation. SHUT UP HEWITT.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 12:11 (twenty years ago)

Yes! The last piece of the jigsaw puzzle which is an ILX tennis thread slots into place with the inevitable Bitching About Aussie Commentators!

Sultry Brown Cow Eyes is out! In straight sets to a frankly inspired Feliciano López. Commentators seem to be slightly confused by the sight of a serve-volleying Spaniard who has posed naked.

Mesmo downs the cheap booze in straight sets too!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

I am nothing if not predictable. Re: Lopez... hmm, that really should be phwoar or something but it's kind of not doing it...

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 12:18 (twenty years ago)

I don't like his hair and thus don't find him attractive, maybe if he got it cut then this would change but until then that picture is just there for general interest.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm not clicking that link, Lex. At least not at work.

Bandy thru with a third-set bagel, TJ "Okker" smoothly past Maxine, Chewy masticates Arthur in set two.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 27 June 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

I've noticed that we already have three quarterfinalists (ToJo, Pierce, Lopez) that no-one predicted (well, the four of us who did predictions upthread) with two more guaranteed (Petrova/Peschke and Gonzalez/Youzhny).

What are the odds on Jill Craybas getting blitzed 6-0 6-0 today?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 27 June 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

One sixth of the way there - Venus leads 2-0.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 12:59 (twenty years ago)

The centre court at Lincoln's Inn Fields (well, the middle one) was empty a few minutes ago. I was surprised.

I think Lleyton Hewitt will win. No reason, just a gut feeling. I have no choice, seeing as I know next to nothing about it.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Monday, 27 June 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

Make that 5-0. Meanwhile, is that the Diva opening a can of whup-ass on the Princess? She's taken the first 6-1, just as 'rova gets tie-broken by Kveta "Goodfellas" Peschke. Maria 5-4 up and serving.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 13:07 (twenty years ago)

Still don't know what you jokers are on about half the time

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 27 June 2005 13:08 (twenty years ago)

I LOVE YOU ELENA DEMENTIEVA.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

It's tennis jive-talk, Dada. Get hip, er, Daddy.

Venus now halfway there.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 27 June 2005 13:14 (twenty years ago)

I'm only interested in Myskina

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 27 June 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

Myskina's down a break in the 2nd set but anything's possible with Nastya. All bets are off in the Venus Whitewash - Craybas 2-1 up (was 2-0) in the 2nd set. Maria S a set up, Hewitt-Dent a-fixin' to go in the 3rd set t-b.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 27 June 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

C'mon, Arthur- string it out.

I want to catch some Clijsters and all of Federer when I get home from work.

Buffalo Stan (Buffalo Stan), Monday, 27 June 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

Nastya's got it back on serve in the second - leads 5-4!

I love both of them. I want the winner of Myskina v Dementieva to WIN IT ALL.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 13:48 (twenty years ago)

Normally I'd want Chewy to hang around as a potential impediment to Roddick's progress but, seeing as they're in different halves, I couldn't care less. Let's go DENTAL.

Dement breaks, serves for the match...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 27 June 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

...loses serve, inevitably. TIEBREAK!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

If Dementieva wins Wimbledon, I will post a video of myself eating a hat to this thread.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

6-6 in the tiebreak. Fucking hell, these two don't like to win easy.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

Nastya saves a match point. I am going crazy here.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

Dementieva's certainly not interested in keeping hold of advantages..

Buffalo Stan (Buffalo Stan), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

8-8!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

9-9! Ha ha

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Another match point for D...

.. thrown away.

Buffalo Stan (Buffalo Stan), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

Ooh, set point.

Buffalo Stan (Buffalo Stan), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Hooray! Katerina Kramperova is playing right now!

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

MYSKINA DODGES A (60 MPH) BULLET

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

YESSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nastya takes tiebreak 11-9!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

(Sorry Lena, you know I love you too, but no one comes before Nastya)

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Damn, how many serves were actually won in that tb?

OleM (OleM), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

Cheers BBC for cutting short the SHARAPOVA MATCH (6-4 6-2 slow start, straightforward finish, she's through).

Not particularly interested in the Hewit match.

DMerryweather, Monday, 27 June 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

It was slightly reminiscent of the 17-15 final set tiebreak Nastya won over Zvonareva last year, during which she saved 10 match points.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Hooray!!!!!!! Let's hear it for it for the only brunette allowed to play tennis in Russia!

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

(I have to say that if you were going to list tennis players likely to inspire passionate fandom, I would have guessed Anastasia Myskina to rank somewhere in the 500s on the ladies pro tour.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Oh wow in the juniors Katerina Kramperova, as pointed out by Edward upthread, is playing BIBIANE SCHOOFS!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

But she's great, Dan! (But I prefer Elena.)

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

Whaddaya mean? She's a Geek Goddess (xpost)

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

I have loved Nastya since '99, Dan. This goes back over half a decade! She's the finest tactician of the post-Hingis era on the women's tour.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

Hooray. Hewitt/Dent is OVER OVER and I'll get to see a bit of Kimba/Dave before my eyes glaze over.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

http://yel-a-0.sportinglife.com/images/sharapovadechywimbersceleb.jpg

Can't find any pictures of her nice trainers, sadly.

DMerryweather, Monday, 27 June 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

Myskina is just... I don't know. I find her completely uninspiring.

Kuznetsova, OTOH... She's awesome.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:21 (twenty years ago)

She inspires me to, errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, all sorts of thoughts

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

Kuznetsova = sexy Russian newsreader.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:24 (twenty years ago)

Mysky now a double-break up in the decider. Hang on, was. Now 3-1. Anybody's.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Kuznetsova was interviewed by the BBC earlier cos it's her birthday today. She has a 50 Cent ringtone and is quite the comedienne. She's fab too. Most of the Russians are!

Nastya goes up 3-1 in the third.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Possible reason to find Myskina inspiring - she's not Nadia Petrova, cuurently 4-1 up in the decider against Peschke. Ferdy and Mikky go to a second successive tie-break (4-4, Gonzalez took the first set), Roddick already a break up on G'mo.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

I guess it's the idea that I keep expecting her to exclaim "I've made my saving through vs drop shot!" that keeps me from taking Myskina very seriously.

Actually I'm not that keen on Dementieva, either. Sharapova and Kuznetsova = YAY.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

ARGH "through" = "throw". Maybe I was subconsciously trying to do an accent.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:29 (twenty years ago)

Dementieva likens her serve to a drop shot in interviews! And had that amazing battling US Open last year! I totally identify with her serve, anyway.

It's the players like Davenport and Clijsters I can't imagine inspiring passion - they're such girl-next-doors and really rather dull.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

... and sounding exactly like The Count from Sesame St. I'll warrant (xpost)

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Clijsters is really fun to watch, especially on clay; she zooms all over the place like she's on crack, lunging and sliding like mad.

Davenport has that really cute hitch in her serve toss, plus she tees off on the ball like it owes her money. I love watching women smack the shit out of a tennis ball. Also she has won more majors.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

Clijsters - infectious, lovely smile. I want her to be my best friend for ever and ever
Davenport - won her first hard-court WTA event in my hometown, on a court I played on many times!

So I love them both.

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

From 3-0 up the Geek Goddess has slipped back to 4-4. Service Hitch vs. Belgian Crack Fiend currently going with serve.

Roddick set, break up. Gonzalez looks to be overcoming Youzhny, two sets and 3-0 up there. Petrova through in three, while on #2 Grosjean's just missed two set points on his own serve.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

If Anastasia loses from here, I cry

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Nadia saved two match points! I completely missed that in all the excitement.

Dave and the Clidge are terrific players - I especially love it when Kim does the splits mid-rally and then GETS BACK UP and continues as if nothing's happened - but ehhh. They're so stolid.

Nastya to serve for the match!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

The third seed got a code violation for verbal abuse in the second set as Dent put the pressure on after a poor start.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Petrova v Sharapova then. Delightful!

DMerryweather, Monday, 27 June 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Gonzalez is now 4-0 up and serving, aiming to perhaps get some TV time. Every pundit seems to talk about how hard he whacks the ball, it'd be nice to, y'know, see it.

Myskina gets a crucial break to go 5-4 up, and now she's got two match points...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

... and misses them both...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

Oh balls

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Oh christ it's Jankovic redux.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Five-all it is then. Big Dave takes the first set 6-3.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

(Gonzalez hitting the ball is bloody scary btw)

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:52 (twenty years ago)

Myskina just hates leaving the court. She feels at home there.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Petrova v Sharapova then. Delightful!

oh awesome, these two hate each other as well. There was an Incident a few years ago between Nadia's coach and Maria's dad which ended with one of them pushing the other into a bin. I forget which one it was though.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

Nastya breaks and will serve for the match again. COME ON NASTYA.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:54 (twenty years ago)

There ya go - the 17th break of the match. Mysky will "serve" for it again. Like it makes any difference.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

First tennis match I watched with the rest of the family = the Myskina-Dementieva French Open final. They've still not forgiven me for putting them through it.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

Hahahahahahahahaha

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

They've still not forgiven me for putting them through it.

you should point out that they were watching HISTORY! the start of the tennis Russian Revolution. And history is not always pretty.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, three more match points.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

Which she takes! Final score 1-6 7-6 7-5 to Nastya!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Mysky will "serve" for it again. Like it makes any difference.

Indeed. Mysky percentage of won serves: 47.8; Dementieva 48.8.

OleM (OleM), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

She holds to love! The final twist! 1-6 7-6 7-5.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 27 June 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

If there were any Russians around, I'd kiss them all and sing a lachrymose song of praise to Mother Russia

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Gonzalez showing frustrating inability to seal the deal - was 5-0 up, now 5-2 with Youzhny serving. Roddick really not having much trouble with Coria at all.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

So far, Nastya has come back from:

- A set and 1-4 down, then 0-3 in the final set, in the first round
- 1-5 down in the final set in the third round
- Two match points down in the fourth round

Is she trying to give her fans coronaries?

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Remember post-RG-04 how you could download and print out an Anastasia Myskina mask? I'm thinking to beat Elena, you just need one of those. GET ONE MENTAL FORTITUDE, LENA! Beat her for once. Oh, I'm going to weep in the corner for a few minutes.

(Though I still love Myskina too)

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

Is she trying to give her fans coronaries?

I'm prepared to endure a few palpitations

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

And now Sveta's being annoying. Down a break to Maleeva. MALEEVA! What YEAR is this, really now!

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

And as I do speak it, so shall it not be - Ferdy's through, and Coria's come back from 5-2 down to 5-4 down and serving.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Clijsters just had a total snap! Turned around and shrieked "WAKE UP!" at a lineswoman after a terrible call. So unexpected to see her looking so pissed off!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Michael, I have finished this fucking boring teacher training video.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

If I was in charge of this, I would introduce all of Maleeva's matches with 'Magma' by Ellen Allien.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

Vaguely related, how many tennis players have songs named after them apart from Conchita Martinez?

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)

Bettie Serveert were named after Bettie Stove. Not the same thing, tho.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:15 (twenty years ago)

"Billie Jean"?

Dadaismus (Dada), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

Dicko has to get through a tie-break to go two sets up - The Wee Man's definitely started to get into it now, though he's just dropped his first service game in the third set. The other Wee Man is really having to scrap with Tursunov, they're 5-5 in the second set. And out on #18, Kuznetsova's come back from 2-0 down to go 5-3 up.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

I bet there is a Belgian Nu Beat song called "Bjorn Borg".

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

"Stan" by Eminem.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

And it's hi, ho, Lind-say Dav-en-port...

Big Dave misses match point opportunity at 5-4 up on Kim's serve, Clijsters pulls it back to 5-5.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:32 (twenty years ago)

Wow, that 3-2 point in the tie-breaker just then was really brilliant!

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

It was magnificent, wasn't it?

Kim takes the tiebreak! Davenport starts to slouch.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Tursunov-Grosjean now one set apiece, Coria two sets and a break down but continuing to give Roddick hell (he's now serving to stay in, though), Kuznetsova still being given wobbles by Maggie M.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 15:47 (twenty years ago)

Davenport starts to slouch.

And then Kim goes all Chokey McChoke Choke. We've never seen THAT before, right?

edward o (edwardo), Monday, 27 June 2005 16:11 (twenty years ago)

holy fuck Clijsters just fell flat on her back in the middle of a point, got back up again and WON IT - breaking davenport as she was serving for the match

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 16:14 (twenty years ago)

But chokeying like a chokey thing on her own service...

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 27 June 2005 16:15 (twenty years ago)

And then lost her own serve to 15 including two double faults, one on match point. Idiot Kim!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 16:16 (twenty years ago)

Davenport was very impressive throughout, especially mentally; Kim appeared to be playing entirely without strategy.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 16:17 (twenty years ago)

holy fuck Clijsters just fell flat on her back in the middle of a point, got back up again and WON IT

SEE LEX???? Clijsters = awesome. (Shame about the double-fault though; I guess Belgium had a special on those this year.)

Davenport was very impressive throughout

SEE?????????? Davenport = awesome.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

I know they're terrific players! But I can't imagine them inspiring passionate fandom.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

Sveta's through too!

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 16:26 (twenty years ago)

that's an exciting-looking line up in the ladies' qfs, yes?

Davenport v Kuznetzova
Mauresmo v Myskina
Mary Pierce v Venus Williams
Petrova v Sharapova

most of them have looked strong this past week. could be some close matches from now on

zebedee (zebedee), Monday, 27 June 2005 16:53 (twenty years ago)

Hmm... You'd back Davenport, on what she showed today, to take Kuznetsova, who's been good enough to get through her matches so far but will seriously need to step up to challenge Big Dave. Similarly, Petrova's yet to do anything to suggest that she could dislodge Sharapova.

Pierce-Venus will be interesting, tho - Mary's dumped Ivanovic and Pennetta for the loss of just 9 games in successive matches, while Venus has yet to lose a set all tournament. Mauresmo-Myskina... Amelie's been a semi-finalist here twice. Myskina's reached the fourth round here twice. You'd reckon the French lass might just be the favourite there.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:02 (twenty years ago)

I would love it if the Mauresmo-Myskina match ended with them both sobbing at the net in the third set at 20-20.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Yerra cold, cold man.

Incidentally, is anyone watching Tursunov-Grosjean? It's into its fifth set (Tursunov took the fourth 6-3, having been 5-0 up), and really does look quite interesting.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

One set too far for Dmitry, Grosjean wrapping it up six one.

Fed leading by two sets and 6-5 up, serving out for it... they've pulled it in favour of University Challenge. I am imagining the colour of the air in the Macpherson house...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

Fed's up 4-3 in the tiebreak!

Knowles and Venus just broke Perry and Els.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:38 (twenty years ago)

6-6 tiebreak!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Fed wins 8-6. Back to mixed doubles.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

Federer v Ferrero was terrific stuff, JCF really getting into his rhythm towards the latter stages - couldn't do anything against the Federer serve until it was too late unfortunately. I was torn, Ferrero is one of my favourites and I like him better, but it feels very wrong to be halfway through the year and have Federer still be Slamless, and also Roddick must die and Federer is the one best equipped for the slaying.

I really want Sveta, Nastya and Nadia to pull off their respective upsets tomorrow. Annoyingly, I don't see any of them succeeding - but I do see Pierce upsetting Venus in the one match I'm not that bothered about. Pierce is ranked ahead of Venus though, so I guess it wouldn't be an upset.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 18:49 (twenty years ago)

*comes back from being glued to the telly for 8 hours*

Pierce is looking really very good but that 'one match at a time' cliche has never applied more as it does here.

following myskina via teletext - the one match the interactive freeview didn't show that I hoped it did!! awesome stuff.

Davenport's wz a powerful display but Kim kept at it, never gave up, and got that 2nd set but her serve fell off in the 3rd.

Ferrero was really awesome in the third: again, never gave up - I think he'll be a serious contender in future if he can get up round the net, and knows what to do when he gets there, just for a bit of variation that surely will be needed.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

That is one big plus - Ferrero and Coria, two major clay-court names really putting in a good showing. I think Barry Davies said that Flicka was the first Spanish quarter-finalist in thirty years, or something like that.

Draw - FOR MEN:

Federer-Gonzalez
Hewitt-Lopez
Johansson-Nalbandian
Grosjean-Roddick

For some reason, my eyes really lit up upon seeing TJ still there. He probably won't get any further, Anita's most likely got Seb's number, Federer's definitely got Hewitt's... something about this seems weirdly familiar.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Lopez is a grass courter through and through, he serve-volleys and everything and has mediocre clay results. The media still have not noticed this after YEARS of him doing well at Wimbledon, hence continued surprise at his presence.

Ironically, this is Ferrero's best Slam performance of the year so far.

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah, predictions.

GIRLS

Davenport d. Kuznetsova :(
Mauresmo d. Myskina :(
Pierce d. Williams
Sharapova d. Petrova :(

BOYS

Federer d. Gonzalez
Hewitt d. Lopez (would not be surprised at upset though)
Nalbandian d. Johansson
Roddick d. Grosjean :(

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

PS Knowles/Venus finally won in 3 sets. Yay.

I am so mad that Venus and Mary are meeting now! That would have been an awesome final.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 27 June 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

No-one here? Strange. Anyway, Mysky loses 1st set, Sharappayouface serves for the tie-break...

OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

Mauresmo serves for match, Sharapova up 3-0 in the 2nd after winning the TB in the first.
...
Mauro up 15-0...
30-0...
40-0...
GS&M. Ah well. No miraculous comeback this time.

OleM (OleM), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

(aside: am i right that Maria S hasn't been back on Centre since the traditional Ladies' Day 1st round match of defending champion? i assume that either the organisers have decided she's "not that big" yet, or security is easier on No.1 court. or i've got my facts wrong)

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 12:24 (twenty years ago)

No more Houdini acts for Nastya :(

Not too upset though - given how much she'd been struggling this year with everything, making the quarters for the first time was a terrific achievement for her. And it does look like she's slowly rediscovering her game and confidence. Mauresmo played superbly, anyway, and I like her too - will be supporting her if Sveta and Nadia lose today.

First set of Nadia v Maria was very entertaining - at one point a Sharapova backhand was called long and she tried to pull rank on the officials, wailing "no, no!" Nadia merely rolled her eyes and held her hands very far apart as if to say "oh come on, brat, it was THIS far out!" Nadia was serving spectacularly throughout but lost the tiebreak because she's totally flaky.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

xpost - I think Sharapova just hasn't had very exciting match-ups until today. And then Mauresmo and Myskina had to get it as they haven't played there at all yet.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

Oddly, I was torn yesterday, during The Real Final between Clijsters and Davenport. Clijsters' golden hair sparkled terrifically in the sunshine. Yet she is bubbly and will bounce back, whereas this could always be Lindsay D's last year - so I was happy enough with the outcome. I find it remarkable that she has come back to be #1 in the world - she seemed so finished just a year ago.

Some of Clijsters' athletic running about only fully impressed me on a third viewing, this morning.

Is no-one going to join me in approval of TAYLOR DENT? It seems the kind of enthusiasm Cozen might discover.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

Venus 5-0 up and looking oh-so-slightly imperious.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

Y'know - I kinda like Dent. His relentless chip'n'charging vs Hewitt was as admirable as it was ultimately misguided. Plus he's chunky.

If we're going to have a three-setter today, it'll have to be Kuzzy and Dave-O.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 12:57 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha um, so I guess Venus is on a misson.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

I now want Mary to win at least one game.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 13:03 (twenty years ago)

My new tips for the top are Hewitt and Williams. That was before I saw that VW was 5-0 up. I was thinking she might be out already, in fact, being my tip for the top.

Like Cook, I would like to see many Scottish athletes reminding the world of that great country's virtues. Perhaps Andrew Murray can be among them. Should such success come, let us hope that they can meet it with a grace and dignity that inspires us, rather than by flattering Britain's most crass and stupid instincts.

the bluefox, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Mary's finally held serve, in a game which lasted for about as long as the first set. Then Venus blitzed her in the next and is 2-1 up, and now it's time for the children's telly on BBC2 so it's over to Dave-Svet, where Kuznetsova has a break point for the set...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

Nope, it's 5-5. Tracy Austin has informed us that the rest of Kuznetsova's family are 'bicyclists'.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

Dave takes it on the tie-break 7-1. Elsewhere, Mary's got back into it - 4-3 down, but it's all with serve...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 13:37 (twenty years ago)

My poor Russians are all such flakes.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

Roddick must die and Federer is the one best equipped for the slaying.

OTM. That third set was just... gladiatorial.

Oh, everyone's talking about today now... Why am I at work?

Flyboy (Flyboy), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

It would very appropriate if Mary was to win this 0-6 6-4 6-4 cos then the number of games they each won would match their seeding.

It seems to have been 3-4 30/15 for a long time on the Pierce serve. Perhaps I've broken my IBM Scoreboard by ignoring it for 45 minutes.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Well, yes, as it's a second set tiebreak now.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

Ah, so the only way the 12-14 thing can happen now is if MP wins 0-6 7-6 5-2 ret.

It could happen - Pierce with two serves to come for the breaker!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 13:58 (twenty years ago)

Which she flubs! DAMN IT!

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKE.

Perhaps. I dunno, I can't see it.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Oh, Mary hit some sensational backhands there and should have won that point at 6-6 but she kind of didn't and Venus now has a match point..

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:01 (twenty years ago)

But no! Mary wins both her service points...

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:02 (twenty years ago)

And the second of Venus's on A FUCKING BRILLIANT FOREHAND.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:03 (twenty years ago)

And she again misses a set point on her own serve...

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:04 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile, Dave's got Match Point at 5-3..

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

And there's the ace. Some nice shots, but a bizarrely ho-hum match overall. Onward to Amelie. Should be interesting.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

It's Venus. And it's Lindsay.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

And Venus gets the breaker, which probably lasted longer than the entirety of the first set and then some. 12-10 I think, the score vanished when I went to type. Poor Mary.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

John Barrett Hypothesis: "The game needs her (Lindsay Davenport) back at the top."

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Nope, not a good day at all for me then.

Allez Amélie!

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

GO VENUS GO!

(Aw Mary, I'm sorry.)

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 14:22 (twenty years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41238000/jpg/_41238653_maria_getty.jpg

Heavens above, Maria Of The Golden Shoes put me through the ringer today. By sheer force of will "our" Maria battled through the first set. Fucking misery-guts, whatsherface Petrova shaking her head and tutting every point Sharapova won, then had the cheek to act all belligerent when Sharapova questioned a desision. Petrova grumbled at fucking everything! You'd think she'd have got used to losing by now, but no.

Our Maria s'gonna have to really concentrate aganst Williams. Extrordinary game against Pierce: cringing for Pierce in the first set, just praying she'd get something anything on the board, but, conversley to Sharapova, Williams had to slug it out in the final sets. Poor Mary though, props to her, bloody hell what a comeback.

DMerryweather, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 15:05 (twenty years ago)

not quite the tight three-setters I was hyping upthread, then. oh well. i hope everyone enjoys doubles.

zebedee (zebedee), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 15:24 (twenty years ago)

Yay for Davenport - she has not let us down.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Got in line bright and early and chose seats at Court 1 over Centre Court, thus getting to see Maria and Lindsey. Nice matches, although a shame as a spectator not to get three sets in either. Great seats though - third row right on the service line! One of my life-long goals - attending Wimbledon: accomplished.

Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 28 June 2005 19:10 (twenty years ago)

I would have liked Mary to do it. OH WELL.

Ally C (Ally C), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Was that a Man or Astroman reference, Michael?

My daughter seemed very taken with the footage of Sharapova's birthday party that they showed while it was raining. It sent a brief chill down my spine.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 06:58 (twenty years ago)

Also, get up you lazy sod.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 07:18 (twenty years ago)

quarters just starting - hoping lopez beats hewitt. can't see any other upsets though I don't know how gonzalez plays. he's not dropped a set.

hoping for bandy to win it all but that prob won't happen.

as for the women - want mauresmo to win it all but again don't think that'll happen.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 11:17 (twenty years ago)

grr lopez is getting centre court nerves - lost the first with a terrible service game.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 11:58 (twenty years ago)

lopez loses the second in similar fashion.

federer won the 1st with some triffic counterpunching, btw. he's taken the 2nd but gonzalez is really trying his heart out. Incredibly holds after federer puts everything in the 4th game of the 3rd.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

Disappointing Jonesy input today.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

gonzalez raised his game in the 3rd but lost the tie-break.

lopez trying to push it to a 3rd set breaker.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

So yes, the Federederedereder-Chewitt semi is on. Swift glance out of the window = it's raining at present.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

omg dickhead is down a set to Grosjean! ALLEZ SEBASTIEN!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

As much as it would be nice to think these threads can survive without Michael, er, this one kind of isn't, is it?

And Grosjean looks about to lose the second set. I believe the operative word is "shit".

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:06 (twenty years ago)

Ah, shit. 6-2 to Dickface.

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:07 (twenty years ago)

Found myself getting too wound up at Grosjean's stuttering serve-out of the 1st set, so decided to wade in the calmer waters of Nalbo-ToJo for a wee while. Of course, when I switch back, Roddick's up 5-2 in the 2nd. It would make the whole tournament if Seb won this.

Ava is refusing to comply with my Wimbledon Fortnight Regulation VII part 2(a) - "..banana puree lunch should be followed by a pleasant nap in the cot, during which the Child should not seek to disturb the Father by mewling, wailing or getting all jammed up against the crib bumpers on account of precocious flipping and proto-crawling. Cooing is acceptable..."

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)

Roddick's broken for 2-0 in the third set :(

edward o (edwardo), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:17 (twenty years ago)

this just in from the BBC! (above the Anita score):

MEN'S SINGLES LATEST
First round: Court 16
A Dupuis Fr v T Berdych Cz
6-7 (5-7) 5-7 6-3 6-7 (4-7)

a.k.a. I Love Computerglitches

zebedee (zebedee), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:22 (twenty years ago)

I believe the operative word is "shit".

Too right. Seven straight games for Pandy. Frankie Valli was talking rubbish.

Bandy, having played so well to catch up in a first set that always seemed to be running away from him, ballooned a backhand wide for no particular reason at 5-6 in the breaker and is now 0-3 in the 2nd. Aside from the usual Federer magic, this is turning into a very bad day.

(Computer glitch #2: I believe the Washington-Frazier score is still up too).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

proto-crawling!

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Talking of Washington, she's been named to the US Fed Cup team when it takes on Russia on clay next month, along with Davenport, Morariu and Venus. This is the same Washington with a 2-5 clay record this year, yes.

The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:28 (twenty years ago)

3rd set Roddick 6-1, 2nd set Johansson 6-2. Is anyone's mouth watering at the prospect of that semifinal? I'm practically on a drip.

Ava still Does Not Get It. Even after removing wasp danger from her room with a backhand smash. Meanwhile, Ceefax is showing point-by-point updates from Rosewall-Drobny. I think the youngster loses this one.

Ooh, a Bandy break. Do not despair.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

break back!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:55 (twenty years ago)

grosjean breaks with an awesome backhand to force the issue.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Yay! Seba breaks.

Buffalo Stan (Buffalo Stan), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 16:00 (twenty years ago)

johansson breaks again :-(

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

and wins in 3 sets (6-2).

roddick up a break in the 5th - merde!!

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 16:24 (twenty years ago)

Which he hangs on to and gets through on. The Bluetones song for this occasion is 'You're No Fun Anymore', in case you're wondering.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

I think Roddick vs Grosjean was the best match I have watched this year.

Today I watched Barker's interview with Murray,then the 4th set from his last match on Saturday (I only saw 1.5 on the day). I was surprised that he came close to winning the match in that set - I'd not realized it, having heard that he'd just fizzled out.

In the interview, Murray was sensible and restrained. It strikes me now that perhaps it is the 'adults' talking about him who are inane, rather than Murray himself. I have decided that I agree about Cook's distinction between confidence and arrogance, too.

Murray said he did not like Barker's dubbing the hill 'Murrayfield'. He said that this was because it didn't rhyme - meaning, in fact, that it is not alliterative, unlike 'Murray Mount'. But his instinct is right, if only because there is *already* a Murrayfield - surely this is the real fatal flaw with Barker's policy. So, again, I can back Murray. I don't feel sure he will win much in the future; I don't think I can imagine him beating Hewitt, for instance. But I think I am ready now to look forward to watching him try.

I was moved when Connors in his commentary on the match said 'This is what you live for - two great players on Centre Court - whether you're playing or watching'. *What you live for*? That is generous, I thought: that is a large, humane declaration.

the pinefox, Thursday, 30 June 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

I don't like the way Murray speaks about his mum. Sounds a typical spoilt middle-class brat.

DMerryweather, Thursday, 30 June 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

In the absence of any live play, BBC are raiding their archives again - unfortunately, their selection is a little predictable: Connors-McEnroe '82 with Borg-McEnroe '80 already cued up in the VT suite for 5pm. I'd love to see Lendl-Tanner from '83 or anything involving Mel Purcell or Catarina Lunqvist.

The two most striking things about the '82 final footage - the insane amount of time McEnroe in particular is taking between points (no wonder it was the longest-ever final) and the incessant chorus of coughing from the crowd. Either the Beeb have developed better directional mics in 20+ years since or the nation have finally packed in the Woodbines.

So, if play is ultimately washed out today - all four semis on Centre tomorrow, with perhaps a noon start? They wouldn't risk it, surely? If not, who gets demoted to court #1?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 30 June 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

As usual, my interestless ruminations on running order are overtaken by events and Dave-Am is on #1 with Vene-Shappa on Centre (or would be if they hadn't spent so long dolling themselves up in the so-called "locker room"). Dave-Am four games old, not much to report save some vintage Barry Davies: "Mauresmo's chips so far yielding only splinters."

We just got to see some Nystrom/Pernfors veterans' doubles during the Connors Q&A! Pernfors hit a winner behind his back! That was it!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 30 June 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

In Your Fire, Your Desire vs Ave Ave, it's on serve, but both have gone to deuce. War of attrition is one phrase that springs to mind. Need one cuppa.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 30 June 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Venus is actually playing really, really well. I haven't seen her this sharp in years. She's up 5-2. But Mazzy, she ain't the fastest out of the proverbial blocks.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:12 (twenty years ago)

Blimey! Maria saves two set points off Venus's serve with... oh, so best. Vicious forehand, the kind that makes commentators with no vocabulary say "threaded the needle".

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Blimey! Maria saves two set points off Venus's serve with... oh, so best. Vicious forehand, the kind that makes commentators with no vocabulary say "threaded the needle".

And yes, she gets the break back!

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Maria saved two set points on Venus's serve, the second with this dazzling forehand pass while Venus covered the net ominously, and has got it back to 5-5. Good!

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

Ah shit. I didn't think those posts went through due to the POXY FULE error message. Carry on, et.c

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:30 (twenty years ago)

I like Taylor Dent, but it is probably just because I am American

gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:33 (twenty years ago)

MAURESMO'S A SET UP! And she's a break up at 4-3 in the second!

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

The Fucking Venus Williams wins the tie-breaker in handy fashion.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

GO VENUS GO

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

I might have missed one here or there, but it looks like she's won the last 10 or 12 points. Maria is missing some shots, but Venus has.. gasp.. clamped down on the errors and is hitting as many winners as she did back in her massive heyday. It's actually quite fantastic to watch.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

That would be an invite for Venus to start making errors... deuce on her serve.

Big Dave appears to have the break back. Well done, Dave.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 30 June 2005 16:50 (twenty years ago)

I am loving that Venus is reasserting herself as a force in women's tennis. I am also loving the fact that when the Big Guns really clamp down, they can take out Sharapova (remember when Lindsey double-bageled her after she'd won Wimbledon?).

I hope this is inspiring Serena to practice.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:00 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of that lady, Lindsay has won the second set.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:03 (twenty years ago)

And Venus is up two breaks!!! AWESOME-O

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:04 (twenty years ago)

Maria just did the most unbelievably awful drop shot imaginable. Even if it had gone over, Venus would have been all over it. Really, it's a miracle she's even IN some of these games, esp Venus's service ones as Venus is serving so well.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:09 (twenty years ago)

Hello, Patrick McEnroe? How's that gigantic pile of CROW yr eating?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

sounds like first set was a thriller anyways

haha sample BBC: "And after a long rally of high-quality tennis and high-pitched screeching, Sharapova nets"

zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:14 (twenty years ago)

Bye bye, Maria. 7-6 6-1, but the second set was a much closer run thing than you'd expect. Venus didn't win ugly (i.e. brutal but graceless), it was exceedingly classy shotmaking that did it. A bloody great match, the difference was a few more loose shots from Sharapova, a surprisingly high proportion of them being at really key-ish points - your 15-30s and such. Lots of deuce games, lots of games that would have swung the other way if only for another three centimetres of height.

The thought of Davenport or Mauresmo beating Venus seems utterly ludicrous right about now.

edward o (edwardo), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY YAY

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:21 (twenty years ago)

Sharapova really is erratic, isn't she? I'm not quite sure how much Venus won that or how much Maria handed it to her.

The Watson household have decided that, with an evil death stare masking her pretty face and her general demeanour and attitude, Ms Sharapova is, in fact, Chloe O'Brien from 24.

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Hahahahahaha OTM!

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Linds is up a break in the third now.

Do we know how this is going to improve Venus' ranking?

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 30 June 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

would you adam 'n' eve it? play suspended because of rain with Dave one game away from the final!

zebedee (zebedee), Thursday, 30 June 2005 18:30 (twenty years ago)

Venus will be 10 if she loses the final, 8 if she wins (assuming no walkovers).

She was incredible! I'm so glad I didn't have a vested interest in that match, I might have had a heart attack. Apart from her eternal weakness of not being able to run very fast, Sharapova really did very little wrong apart from overhitting a few times - she fought to the end, it's hard to believe the second set was really 6-1. But Venus - incredible. She's back. I loved her reaction on winning match point - no smile at first, just hands in the air and a stony glare around, as if to say: "I told you so. I'm back, bitches." Then after the handshake she suddenly let it all out and made me remember how utterly charming her smile is.

Other semi-final was notable for exquisite points mixed in with MASSIVE CHOKES from both. Mauresmo was up 5-2 in the first set, and double faulted on her first match point. Davenport served for it at 6-5 up, and contributed a forehand smash which landed in the vicinity of Court 2 and - guess what - a double fault. Every time someone broke in set 2, they dropped serve immediately afterwards. I really, really, really want Mauresmo to win, and the delay will help her more than Davenport, but it's not looking good at all.

(Venus will make mincemeat out of whoever does win, anyway.)

I saw bits of that old final too. I didn't realise John McEnroe was quite so dashing in his younger days (when he wasn't throwing a tantrum).

The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 30 June 2005 18:36 (twenty years ago)

Federer up a set and a break quick smart. No doubt the irritating twats who are commentating on Australian TV are mentioning the time Lleyton came back from two sets down against Federer at the Davis Cup, but I HAVE MUTED THEM BECAUSE NOBODY CARES. IT WILL NOT BLOODY HAPPEN.

edward o (edwardo), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

And there goes the second set too. COME ON TOMMY JO. It'd be nice to have a change.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41252000/jpg/_41252457_sharapova3_getty300.jpg

:(


Okay, I just wanted to fucking smash something after that match, but Venus was astonishing.

This Federer v Hewitt match is a bit of a plodder.

DMerryweather, Friday, 1 July 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

I'm watching the rather lovely little mixed doubles match between Clijsters/Rochus and Bhupathi/Pierce. Petit Olivier is the smallest player on court by some way!

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

Oh and boo for Amélie :(

I hope Venus gives Davenport the thrashing of her life and FORCES HER INTO RETIREMENT.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

I missed the Willaims/Sharapova slugfest much to my chagrin. I don't even like tennis all that much ...but find that the sight of two tall leggy women, in little dresses, running around and sweating and grunting a lot presses all of my buttons in ways you wouldn't want to believe.

Stone Monkey (Stone Monkey), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Come along, Lleyton Philips! Let's be having you!

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Friday, 1 July 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

re: grunting - if Myskina v Dementieva was the CHOKE-OFF, then Williams v Sharapova was assuredly the SHRIEK-OFF.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:01 (twenty years ago)

Fed wins in straight sets.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Bit of a strange match was Fed-Hew - partly because Roger decided, Ashe-style, to take a bit of pace off his groundstrokes, leading to Hewitt making some pretty horrible backhand errors to effectively gift the first two sets to Swissboy. From 3-3 in the 3rd it really went up a few notches though: Fedz's whipped pass off Hewy's smash en route to 15/40, Lleyt's smart net play to hold on and go up 0/30 on Fed, Rodge's emphatic hitting (particularly that step-in forehand down the line) to level the set. T-b was a let-down, decided again mostly by LH's mistakes. But Roger's through, and I can now watch the second semi as a much less irreducibly-complex bundle of nerves than if Chewy had been awaiting the winner. Go Tommo.

Venus was astonishing yesterday - perhaps the best performance I've ever seen from her. Mesmo is as Mesmo does - I don't think she'll ever win a Slam.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 1 July 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

Oh hang on, wrong pic.

http://yel-a-0.sportinglife.com/images/sharapovawimb05sfwoe.jpg

:(


There. Too many squandered break points, too many wild backhands, but, hey, Shara still had the best tennis shoes by far. And that must count for something, right?

DMerryweather, Friday, 1 July 2005 13:39 (twenty years ago)

It's pretty grey out there and Rod-Joh was suspended sometime ago at 6-5*. Tomorrow looks fine but showers seem to be looming on Sunday. I might have to take the Mother Of All Lunch Hours if we go to a 3rd Monday.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:20 (twenty years ago)

Upsets abound in the junior events - highly-hypedtipped American No 2 seed Donald Young loses in straight sets to one Jeremy Chardy, of France, who will play Robin Haase of the Netherlands in the final. Massive shocks in the girls' semis - top two seeds Victoria Azarenka and Agnes Szavay, both of whom are already making inroads on to the senior tour, crash out to unseeded Tamira Paszek (14) and Agnieszka Radwanska (16) respectively.

In the men's doubles, Team Bros play Team Moody Hussy in the final. The ladies still haven't finished the quarter-finals yet! I thought Mesmo would pull out for sure, but no, she and Sweater are a set up on Discount Booze and the Cry Baby. Tapping their feet impatiently in the semis are ALG/Grandmartina, Black/Huber and Stewart/Stosur.

They haven't finished the quarters in the mixed either, but Bhupathi/Pierce won that match earlier. I think Rochus had a crisis of masculinity throughout, he was finding it tough to return Mary Pierce's serve while she was murdering his, and he kept fluffing really easy volleys. Also he was a foot shorter than Kim.

The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 1 July 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

Fourth set tiebreaker, Tommy-Jo vs Dik-Dik. 5-5. Roddick's shot clips the net and glides gracefully over, giving him the mini-break. He then hits a big serve and it's all over.

It's a miracle my TV set is still in one piece. 6-7 6-2 7-6 7-6 to the Dickster. He sucks. Go Fedge!

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

TJ had a set point on his own serve in the 3rd set tiebreak, too, which he completely choked on. It's a bit awful to see the player who's clearly better when they play, like, actual rallies get beaten by brute serving power. The silver lining is obviously the massive thrashing I hope Anita receives tomorrow or Monday.

Wouldn't it be nice if he never ever won Wimbledon?

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 2 July 2005 12:45 (twenty years ago)

It would be wonderful. Huss and Moodie won the doubles! Astounding, QUALIFIERS! The Huss story is actually a bit of a fuzzy, lovely heart-warmer, or at least will be until it gets covered in great detail.

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

omigod! The men's doubles has been won by a pair of qualifiers who had only ever played one Challenger tournament together! And they managed to beat the Nos 1, 2, 3, 6 and 9 seeds en route to the title. Give it up for Stephen Huss and Wesley Moodie respectively!

(xpost!)

Boys' title goes to Jeremy Chardy of France, girls' title to Agnieszka Radwanska of Poland.

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 2 July 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

Huss's coach couldn't be there - he's just come out of hospital where he'd had a hip replacement. Huss was deemed NOT GOOD enough to be part of Tennis Australia's funded squads, which invariably contain players who are very good at hitting the ball INTO the net, or, failing that, well past the baseline. Who's laughing now?

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 12:55 (twenty years ago)

Third set of Tojo-AnRo up there with the 7-6 VeWi-MaSh set for set of the tournament. Absolutely gutted of course - managed to keep my expletives in check as Tommy tensed up at 6-5 in that t-b chiefly cos I had the Ladies' Singles Champion 2022 in my lap, working her way through a six-ouncer en route to slumbersville.

There are so many routes to eventual disappointment for the watching Roddick-hater - today it was a case of bumbling along the noisefloor of near-zero expectation after Pandy had ripped thru the second and then finding that Scarlett's sheer perseverance gradually replenished the hope caddy. The outrageous net-cord was the hole in the bottom.

Worst net-cord since the Becker-Lendl match-point in the 5th t-b in the '88 Masters final, ending a 37-stroke rally in Copperhead's favour. Or maybe the net-cord that flicked Boris's pass over Rostagno's racket as BB faced m-p in the US Open nine months later.

Y'know, I think my loathing of Roddick is reaching Becker proportions. I'd hoped I'd grown out of all that. Roddick win tomorrow = worse than Liverpool winning the Champs Lge.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

Blimey! Linz breaks first! Venus's serving is a little off, seemingly, she threw in a double there at 40-30...

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:09 (twenty years ago)

Venus looks nervous, and its her old nemeses Second Serve and Forehand which are breaking down as a result...

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

Come on teh Venus!

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:16 (twenty years ago)

Ooh cripes, Dave's two break's up at 5-2. Venus ain't firing.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

But wait!

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Venus breaks to love. 3-5!

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

8 points in a row! POP!

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

Haha eight points in a row to get back to 4-5, and eight rather stunning points they were too. GO VENUS!

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:28 (twenty years ago)

I just wish at some point she had shouted "I ain't goin out like no sucka!"

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:30 (twenty years ago)

Blah.

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

And then she sinks into horrid passive play again, and Davenport takes the set :(

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:32 (twenty years ago)

Dave stops the rot with a nice, solid and utterly unthrilling service game. I like Lindsay, but those Venus-won games were MUCH better to watch.

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:33 (twenty years ago)

Venus has got her shriek on!

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 2 July 2005 13:59 (twenty years ago)

Davenport getting short end of stick; lucky net-cord to Vee, and a RIDICULOUSLY bad line call... "You have GOT to try better than that!"

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:06 (twenty years ago)

They've just pointed out Gavin Rossdale in the crowd. THe only bit of TJ-Dicko I got to see, the celebrity in the crowd... Tomas Brolin. Was Martin Dahlin unavailable?

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

Venus broken at 5-5. The Least Fancied #1 Seed Ever serving for the title.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

Aieeee!

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

Aieeeeeee! x 2

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

Good grief. ANOTHER Venus-break-back-to-love.

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)

k-blimey

zebedee (zebedee), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

WTF, really, now. 5-2 to Venus, she drops both her serves!

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

YES

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Dave came back to 5-4, then dropped both her serves and it's one-set all...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Wow. Venus gifted her 5-5 service game to Davenport with some truly dreadful play, then stepped and also shrieked it up to take 9 of the next 10 points...and then had a mini-choke in the tiebreak, but luckily Davenport put a stop to that with an untimely error. Whew.

I hope Venus has now found her game for GOOD, for too much of the match she's been playing with the form which saw her drop firmly out of the top 15.

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

It's TV's Martin Freeman! With a beard!

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

Davenport broke for 4-2, led 40-15 on her own serve and promptly seemed to clutch up - I think she's called for the trainer?

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 2 July 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

And loses her serve, but holds the next. Up 5-4. I don't see her winning this unless Venus has a REALLY loose service game some time soon.

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:12 (twenty years ago)

7-6 Davenport.

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

k-blimey. i think i already said that.

zebedee (zebedee), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)

Fucking amazing 25-stroke rally, both knackered but still swinging. Venus with a break point at 7-7...

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:37 (twenty years ago)

Williams gets it, she's angling, and Lindsay can't run around to it. This must be how Lex felt during Gaudio/Coria.

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

Venus saved a match point at 4-5, but now has broken for 8-7 and will serve for the title! ALLEZ VENUS!

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

I do not see Lindsay breaking, she'll be exhausted. That 25-stroke ralley was at 15-30, if Davenport had got it, you'd assume that would have done it. Oh well.

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:40 (twenty years ago)

This is a great match. Maybe someone asked this earlier in the thread, but when did Lindsay Davenport get so hott? I'm not kidding.

Bryan (Bryan), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

And it's over.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

She slimmed down towards the end of the 90s. She looks much nicer when she's smiling, which, sadly she won't do because she's just bloody lost.

Really good drama, but it fucking sucks in a way because the game was hers until 4-2. Still, Venus, at points, during the tournament, was the best she's been (let's forget some of the first few rounds, shall we?), and she's the more likeable of the Williams sisters, so good on her.

edward o (edwardo), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:44 (twenty years ago)

It always seemed so strange to me that people wrote her off. She's still so young.

Bryan (Bryan), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:45 (twenty years ago)

Venus's reaction is quite, quite brilliant. She is quite possibly on the verge of literally exploding with joy.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:46 (twenty years ago)

The American announcer got it about right: "She's 25 on paper, but six years old right now on Centre Court."

Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Poor old Lindsay, she must be a global authority on bridesmaidery by now. The Worst Line Call Ever wasn't on that crucial a point and LD didn't particularly choke on any of her Big Chances (6-4 *6-5, 6-4 6-7 4-2 (*40/15), 6-4 6-7 5-4 (40/30*)) but it's still hard to see her lose that. Longest women's final ever: 2hr45.

Either this will push Serena through the swingdoors marked "Alternate Career" or she'll knuckle down and try to get as good as sis.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

It's as if Venus having a Freaky Friday moment with Kel out of Kenan & Kel.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

BEST. CELEBRATIONS. EVER.

I had a tear in my eye!

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)

I was kinda pulling for Lindsay, but man, Venus wanted this one, didn't she? Every match I saw her play in the tournament, she just seemed like it really mattered to her.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

We're cheering in Wisconsin for VW.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Saturday, 2 July 2005 15:59 (twenty years ago)

Every Slam winner this year so far has saved at least one match point on the way to winning it!

I'm so, so happy for Venus...her uncontained joy was amazing.

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 2 July 2005 16:01 (twenty years ago)

awesome game - feel sorry for davenport but glad that no dodgy line calls or dodgy back decided anything.

gutted for thomas but roddick has so much determination to make up for lack of damn class bah. and he's coming in the net more. given federer's 'close but no cigar' sorta year I'm fearing the worst.

hope I'm wrong. xxxp

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Saturday, 2 July 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Best. Final. Ever.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 2 July 2005 16:19 (twenty years ago)

New women's rankings -

1. Lindsay Davenport (1)
2. Maria Sharapova (2)
3. Amélie Mauresmo (3)
4. Svetlana Kuznetsova (6)
5. Elena Dementieva (5)
6. Serena Williams (4)
7. Justine Henin-Hardenne (7)
8. Venus Williams (16)
9. Nadia Petrova (8)
10. Anastasia Myskina (10)
11. Alicia Molik (9)
12. Patty Schnyder (11)
13. Mary Pierce (14)
14. Kim Clijsters (13)
15. Vera Zvonareva (12)
16. Elena Likhovtseva (17)
17. Elena Bovina (15)
18. Nathalie Dechy (18)
19. Jelena Jankovic (19)
20. Ana Ivanovic (21)

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 2 July 2005 16:46 (twenty years ago)

Either this will push Serena through the swingdoors marked "Alternate Career" or she'll knuckle down and try to get as good as sis.

didn't serena just win the australian, though? it wasn't that long ago...

phil-two (phil-two), Saturday, 2 July 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Hahahaha Phil OTM.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Saturday, 2 July 2005 17:53 (twenty years ago)

Er, yeah. Good point. But she played three matches in SW19 like someone ranked in the 50s.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 2 July 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, but the first one was perhaps more because she was up against ANGIE MUTHA-FUCKIN' HAYNES.

William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Saturday, 2 July 2005 18:50 (twenty years ago)

I think the lesson to be learnt here is not to count anyone out*, or in for that matter.

Bizarro inconsistencies - all three Slam champions this year have done shit at the other two Slams. Which is why they're not in the top 5, and the top 3 is comprised of people who haven't won a Slam in the past year...two of whom seem to be making it their current raison d'être.

*unless they're Lindsay Davenport or Amélie Mauresmo in the latter stages of a Slam.

The Lex (The Lex), Saturday, 2 July 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

I dreamt that Federer lost - well, I dreamt that he lost to Sampras on a waterlogged clay-court at the French on which several people had parked their cars. And I was occasionally Federer, serving wild double-faults. The idiot commentator said, "This is the biggest upset since Bing and Bob hooked up and decided not to go anywhere." Either that's a genuine old joke or my subconscious should get itself in a Tardis and start writing jokes for Sid Caesar.

I'm hoping for a Borg-Connors '78-style massacre today. Come on Roger.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 07:53 (twenty years ago)

Andy Roddick is at his most bearable when he is being systematically dismantled by Flawless Feddy, i.e. “I’m going to have to start winning some of them to call it a rivalry.”.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 08:12 (twenty years ago)

Fed wins the first set 6-2 in 21 minutes. He is in the proverbial zone and Roddick looks rather hapless. LOVING IT SO MUCH!

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 3 July 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

I think Roddick won one point against Federer's serve in that set!

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 3 July 2005 12:34 (twenty years ago)

It's a masterclass so far: 6-2 Federer in 21min. But this is a bit like AC Milan 3-0 Liverpool...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

Hands up who wants to marry Roger Federer RIGHT ABOUT NOW?

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 12:36 (twenty years ago)

I definitely find it hardest to dislike Roddick when he looks like there's no way he could ever beat Federer - it's just that compulsion to root for the underdog, even when he's an obvious fratboy asshole.

Federer, on the other hand, is indeed a Golden God.

Flyboy (Flyboy), Sunday, 3 July 2005 12:48 (twenty years ago)

Am I the only person here who *doesn't* hate Roddick?

But, yes, Federer is just awesome.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 12:50 (twenty years ago)

Am I the only person here who *doesn't* hate Roddick?

No. But I like Federer more.

The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Sunday, 3 July 2005 12:54 (twenty years ago)

Roddick's like a kid who has wandered into a grown-up's game, and he's quite endearingly goofy. Also he has a really odd backhand and service style, where Federer is like a grass-court-bot and it's kind of boring me now. Technically excellent, but there's no sense of unpredictability any more.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

Or, if Federer won't marry me, I'll settle for the sister.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:00 (twenty years ago)

Federer comes back from an early break, and wins in a tie break. oh, if only this could last for five sets, because I could never tire of watching Roddick lose.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

And there's the second set! Roddick broke early but even then never really looked in control - Federer was really pressuring all his service games. Ensuing tiebreak was won 7-2, Roddick not winning a single point on serve.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

Lo, sprinkling rain.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:24 (twenty years ago)

I'll settle for Roddick's Mom.

http://images.usatoday.com/life/enter/movies/_photos/2001-08-13-inside-jennifer-coolidge.jpg

Flyboy (Flyboy), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

Play suspended for now.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

Federer is like a grass-court-bot and it's kind of boring me now

Really, Ailsa? It's not even as if he plays what we think of as a grasscourt game; he hasn't serve-volleyed like in 2003. His play today has been anything but boring - this is not a Sampras-like crushing, even if they share the same fluid movement. The backhand passes alone have been better than almost anything else seen on this court all event.

I'm kinda glad for the rain-break cos my pulse was up around 200 in the t-b and the Tennis Tourette's was kicking in. I really thought the out-of-the-blue Roddick break-of-serve was the Steven Gerrard glancing-header moment of the final.

So far, so good. It's very grey here in SE19...I wonder if this will clear at all?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

I just mean that he doesn't get beaten on grass and doesn't look like he will be any time soon. He is technically excellent, yes, but there's something I just can't relate to, probably the realisation that he's never going to lose.

Jimmy Connors' relentless championing of Roddick is cheering me up though.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

covers coming off.

this is where I wish thomas wz here - the one big rally that roddick won it by going for the line (and getting it). roddick just doesn't have the groundstokes, his volleying is so *mechanical* and the returns so unthreatening. there's a lot of talk of fed's 'genius' and yeah yeah there's some to that but he hasn't won a slam this year (though I'm sure this will change in an hour).

xxp = I think if safin gets it together he could beat fed on grass at least once to win this title.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

No way. Safin's not so great on grass.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:44 (twenty years ago)

I know that he is best in hardcourts but he took a set off fed in halle.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

It's because watching someone be technically amazing is kind of interesting up to a point. Drama comes from competition, from a degree of unpredictability. Anyone really think he was going to lsoe this? And if they did, did they think so after the first?

Masterclasses - whatever else they are - aren't really where sport draws it's energy from.

Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 3 July 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)

All the sporting people I really dislike (Sampras, Tiger Woods, Courier etc) have been excellent, consistent and really fucking boring. This is why I am going off Federer.

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

Dave and Ailsa both right, of course. A sporting contest in which one has a vested interest doesn't have to be dramatic to be satisfying - Everton beating Watford 2-0 in the '84 Cup final was, I'm sure to most, a dismal spectacle but it was magical to me. Vice versa with the recent Champs Lge final (I could only enjoy the first non-competitive half).

So, today, rather selfishly, I want to see a thumping.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:05 (twenty years ago)

Michael OTM. To love tennis in the Federer era, just hate Roddick. It may come surprisingly naturally.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Of course, if you hate Hewitt as well, it's probably TWICE as enjoyable. (I don't, though)

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

Isn't part of it that to be really, really good, you have to dedicate yourself to such a degree that you simply aren't, temperamentally, like th rest of us. That's why McEnroe will always be liekd better than a Borg, a Becker more than an Edberg.

Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Feddy breaks with a few casually astonishing passing shots: 4-3.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

Becker was liked more than Edberg? Good grief, I always thought it was the other way round.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

yeah I'm enjoying this, btw. another 5-10 mins and its over.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

DB is pushing all my buttons today - I loved Borg and hated McEnroe (only warming to JPMc post-'86 sabbatical) and loved Edberg and detested Becker! More later...Fed to serve for it...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:15 (twenty years ago)

GLEE!

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)

I liked the way Federer started blubbing as soon as he'd won, after being totally impassive during the match. Awww.

Flyboy (Flyboy), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

No-one liked Becker, did they? I thought he'd just rehabilitated his way into the national consciousness by shagging models in broom cupboards and never getting off the telly, making everyone forget how he was really annoying as a player.

I wuvved Edberg. Now *there* was a grass court player (*drifts back to rose-tinted summers in the late 80s*).

(x-post that was a cunning disguise to mask the fact that he's a just an emotion-free tennis-bot)

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:23 (twenty years ago)

The commentators are going a bit overboard, aren't they? ("This is the best run sporting event in the world")

Is this still a pathetic attempt to get the Olympics?

(Hahaha, Roddick "I could do with a beer just now")

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Sue Barker: "What can you do to beat him?"
A-Rod: "Punch him?"

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Federer: big nose. only personal or professional flaw apparently.

Aaron A., Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I hate Federer, smug git.

Sue B: "We didn't think you could get any better, but it seems that you have"
Rog: "Yes, I guess so" (smug grin)

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

"Maybe I should just punch him or something."

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

(oops, xpost...pardon the transatlantic transmission delay)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

I hate that Federer used to have a silly ponytail but has become a bit rowr since he cut it off.

(I'm developing silly reasons to dislike him now, just because I feel it's time)

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:28 (twenty years ago)

Roddick is the Chris Evert of the men's game. Preppy guy, probably more fun to have a beer with, and a really good player hampered by having to play tennis at the same time as someone even better.

Dave B (daveb), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

(have we congratulated Mike on his amazing foresight in the initial post "I can't see a Williams in the final this year. I'm backing Justine"? I though you were the expert!)

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Isn't part of it that to be really, really good, you have to dedicate yourself to such a degree that you simply aren't, temperamentally, like th rest of us.

The problem with this argument is that McEnroe (in 1984 particularly) was supremely dominant in a manner only matched by Federer last year and Becker won as many GS titles as (and a greater number of other titles than) the supposedly ice-cool Edberg. To be honest, Borg is the only example I can think of someone who totally sublimated a vicious temper to such an extent that he showed no emotion on court. Everyone else has their occasional wig-outs.

As for Roddick's awkwardness being potentially endearing - there was a South Carolina leftie called Tim Wilkison who was active in the '80s who I recall having a similarly unorthodox, ungainly scrapping style. I really loved watching him whereas I can't warm to Roddick - perhaps it was Timbo's lack of a 145mph serve and his eternal loserdom status which made him a wee bit cuddlier.

No one reigns for long in tennis - as supreme as he seems now, Rodge will be swallowed up by the pack over the next 3-4 years; he'll have to fight off Nadal, Gasquet and the rest of the teens. I personally would like to see him do a calendar-year Slam like Laver. And if Roddick simply has Becker's career minus the three Wimbledon titles, I'll settle for that too.

(Ailsa, my predictions are famously rotten! The year I got 10 of the 16 quarterfinalists across both events I practically did a lap of honour round Westow Park.)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

Moment I realised I detested Roddick: visor-wearing at the 2003 Australian open. He's only gone downhill in my estimation because every vaguely endearing thing he does seems a bit... phoney. I cannot explain this any further it is possibly a load of horseshit but STILL.

edward o (edwardo), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

(I got 6 of 16 this year, btw. WBS got five, as did Edward O - but Lex WINS with seven. He gets a paint-splattered pair of size-12 Puma Guillermo Vilas [no laces] and a 9-minute David Lloyd motivational seminar in Chepstow. Prizes must be claimed by 4:49pm BST today; no cash equivalent.)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 14:49 (twenty years ago)

Oh bollocks I knew that staying in front of the TV so as not to miss a second of Andrew Castle's spectacularly inane insights would cost me.

Well well well that was quite special.

I agree with all of those who say that sport draws its energy from rivalries not masterclasses BUT:

a) Federer is exception to all known rules - he plays at such a level that watching his masterclasses just feels like a privilege. No one else I have ever seen on a tennis court comes close. Conversely, any time when he's NOT playing this well feels a bit like a let down.

b) There are rivalries in men's tennis, still - it's just that none of them come to fruition at Wimbledon. Hewitt and Roddick are the next two best grass courters, and they're not so much Federer's rivals as his bitches. Roddick has only beaten Fed once ever! That is not a rivalry to hype up. However, Safin can match Federer elsewhere (well, potentially on grass too if he sorts his head out, but that's not gonna happen), and the emergence of Nadal and Gasquet bodes very well - especially as Gasquet has taken such a liking to grass.

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 3 July 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

ROLL OF HONOUR

Men's singles: Roger Federer
Women's singles: Venus Williams
Men's doubles: Stephen Huss and Wesley Moodie
Women's doubles: Cara Black and Liezel Huber
Mixed doubles: Mahesh Bhupathi and Mary Pierce
Boys' singles: Jeremy Chardy
Girls' singles: Agnieszka Radwanska
Boys' doubles: Jesse Levine and Michael Shabaz
Girls' doubles: Viktoria Azarenka and Agnes Szavay

The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 3 July 2005 16:20 (twenty years ago)

andrew castle is so awful

c/n (Cozen), Sunday, 3 July 2005 16:37 (twenty years ago)

Memo to American Express: runner-up silver salva will, with a bit of bubble wrap, fit comfortably into hand luggage. You may consider re-editing your TV ad.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Sunday, 3 July 2005 16:54 (twenty years ago)

It would be nice to have a genuinely great grass court specialist a la Sampras to challenge Rog at SW19, right now. Still, yes, a priviledge to watch. I spent most of the final simply laughing in disbelief at some of those shots.

Side note: how long will Martina keep going before she just gives up on the record?

Ally C (Ally C), Sunday, 3 July 2005 22:35 (twenty years ago)

Fancy Watford getting to the FA Cup Final, eh?

I still like Borg best. And James Hunt. And Barry Sheene.

Jimmy Connors will be forever associated with Glen Campbell. I guess it is/was his/their wholesomeness.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 July 2005 07:21 (twenty years ago)

new men's rankings -

1. Roger Federer (1)
2. Lleyotn Hewitt (2)
3. Rafael Nadal (3)
4. Andy Roddick (4)
5. Marat Safin (5)
6. Andre Agassi (6)
7. Nikolay Davydenko (7)
8. Guillermo Canas (8)
9. Thomas Johansson (22)
10. David Nalbandian (19)
11. Tim Henman (9)
12. Mariano Puerta (11)
13. Gaston Gaudio (12)
14. Joachim Johansson (10)
15. Guillermo Coria (18)
16. Radek Stepanek (13)
17. Richard Gasquet (20)
18. Fernando Gonzalez (24)
19. Ivan Ljubicic (16)
20. Tommy Robredo (14)

The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 4 July 2005 08:09 (twenty years ago)

Other big movers: Ancic plops down to 32, Djokovic and Gimelstob are back inside the top 100, Sjeng Schalken plummets to 201 from 89 and Andy Murray is now the world number 213! That's 1,038 places ahead of his arguably more handsome brother.

I thought Connors was OK throughout the event (his greatest quality was his genuine, and apparently newly-rediscovered, excitement for the game and the event) but he let himself down by repeatedly calling Roddick the "number two player in the world". Not for a good few months, Jimmy - and maybe not any time soon either.

I just wrote a long diatribe about Roddick having the worst placement of any of the Giant Servers but I think this thread has a surplus of Pandybashing already, so I've deleted it.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 July 2005 09:38 (twenty years ago)

I whibnk we should look at the 2004 thread and see whether our verdicts on that final hold for this one.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

safin is v unpredictable - yes he could never get it together on grass but you really never know. I think he'll have one good year at wimbledon.

Connors' 'hm' after almost every point got annoying but I liked him.

Coverage in the times turned to fed's genius but again people are not looking at his opponent closely enough - there was no authority to roddick's passage to the final!!! he wz taken to five by the 1st week. If anyone believed he could beat fed he had to give better signs.

Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 10:03 (twenty years ago)

I just skimmed the 2004 thread on Pinefox's suggestion...

Roddick '04 seemed to tough out tight sets better than Roddick '05, though I frequently seemed to be outraged on the old thread about his perceived jamminess. His backhand hasn't improved, he's a wee bit better at (and keener to approach) the net but he just can't sustain the ace barrages any more. Federer started last year's tournament chugging along at about 75%, peaked in the qf vs Hewitt and then went off the boil; this year Fedz started a little weaker, hit top form in the latter stages vs Ferrero in r4 and basically stayed there. Federer '03 was wonderful throughout but, if I remember correctly, he had an easier draw, attacked the net a lot more and we didn't have quite such high expectations of him then.

In terms of games won, only Mathieu and Minar offered less resistance to Federer this year than Roddick.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:04 (twenty years ago)

I note that Roddick won less games in his final than Davenport did in hers. This happened to Hewitt at the US Open, too.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

Connors' 'hm' after almost every point got annoying but I liked him.

what about..: "player X at full stretch here".

Ludo (Ludo), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:22 (twenty years ago)

In terms of games won, only Mathieu and Minar offered less resistance to Federer this year than Roddick.

Which means that Roddick is unsuitble to be promoted to #2 seeding, if you ask me. Except because he got to the final, it'll happen again next year, even though he only got there this year because he got pr... etc.

edward o (edwardo), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:26 (twenty years ago)

I thought I had written something after the last final, saying that Roddick looked like a sheep against a goat, a man against a boy, a Vauxhall Conferencer vs a Premier Ship - something to that effect - and Mike had said: yes, PF, but he's young, he'll improve. (Possibly this was all e-mail, not ilx?) Whereas, amusingly in a way, it seems that he hasn't, yet; and as Mike says, others in the top 5 look much better placed to beat Federer. Unlike A-Rod, I think he (A-Rod) was worse this year than last.

The sense of deja vu about the final was quite satisfying, to me.

the pinefox, Tuesday, 5 July 2005 13:35 (twenty years ago)

I remember those comments of yours, PF - but they were on the Wimb '03 thread, about the RF-AR semifinal (which was, by a whisker, more of a thrashing than Sunday). Roddick at that time seemed like an energy bomb of raw talent, perhaps (with hindsight) in need of a finishing school sheen rather than the hustlers' crash-course he got from Gilbert. It was his preferential treatment at the rain-decimated US Open that year (and subsequent rise to #1 on the basis of his hot North American hardcourt summer) that focused my dislike. I wonder what Roddick's win-loss record is outside his home continent? Or outside English-speaking nations?

Edward O OTM. If AELTC really use a 24-month grasscourt ranking system then, even if Roddick is outside the #10 on the Entry System next June, he'll be #2 seed again if he does even moderately well at Queen's '06. To be honest, it's Lleyts who might slide during the rest of this year; Nadal may press for #2 now.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

I wonder what Roddick's win-loss record is outside his home continent? Or outside English-speaking nations?

26-8 for the former, an astonishingly poor 10-6 for the latter over the past year.

The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:04 (twenty years ago)

'Lleyts'!

2003? Gosh, time flies. But it is still amusing, or perhaps metaphysically interesting, that they have had virtually the same match three years running.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 16:36 (twenty years ago)

Not so, PF, surely? In last year's final, Roddick was quick out of the blocks, Federer was flat and was saved (so goes received opinion) only by a rain break at 2-4 in the 3rd set.

I think the popular perception of last year's final as a match that Roddick was unlucky to lose perhaps glosses over the fact that he was tremendous fortunate to find himself up against a man nowhere near his best on such a big occasion (which is atypical in itself - 21 consecutive winning finals and counting). But at least that made it a contest.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:01 (twenty years ago)

I think my memory must have been afflicted and warped by the gabble of the so-called media and that. I had had a notion that Roddick went at RF and had a good go at him, but it was somehow dispelled over the weekend amid the talk of Federian perfection.

Incidentally - didn't you think: during the Final, they were often talking about Federer's inability to mishit a shot immediately after he had hit a ball into the net, been faulted on a serve, was 30-love down or whatever. The rhetoric tended to overtake what was happening on the green ground, even if the final score was emphatic enough.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

It's true - Federer does have a Borgian tendency for the absolute howler; in Bjorn's day they used to blame his exaggerated topspin and string tension - perhaps RF is continually playing a game of low-tolerances in the manner in which he strikes the ball. When he gets it right, he puts more 'work' on the ball than most, when he gets it wrong it flies anywhere. He seems to use a racket with an unusually small head by '00s standards.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Also, "Federer's only weakness - he's just too good: he has so many shots he doesn't know which one to play".

(Recite in Andrew Castle voice.)

the pinefox, Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:30 (twenty years ago)

It is remarkable, I think, that this year's Wimbledon thread has only really come into its own and blossomed forth like a dew-drenched rose once the tournament has finished.

Peter Stringbender (PJ Miller), Thursday, 7 July 2005 06:54 (twenty years ago)

Yes.

the pinefox, Thursday, 7 July 2005 15:13 (twenty years ago)


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