An arthropod consuming a mammal : 1 on 1... what's supposedly so disturbing about this?

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As we just saw on the Tarantula vs. Mouse thread.. also having seen various Discovery channel shows where a giant centipede caught and consumed a frog, and also bird-eating spiders, etc.

These are very very isolated cases, though every narrator in the film suddenly takes a grim tone and says "it's difficult for people to stomach the idea of an arthropod single handedly consuming a mammal or any animal that is evolutarionarily closer to a human being than the predator; but we must remember that this doesn't necessarily speak less of the mammals but more than.. blah blah blah".

What's the biggie, yo? These are usually unusually large arthropods, and usually infant or small mammals.

(And the shark/human thing doesn't apply, as we don't have to fear for sharks every day of our lives.. unless you make a living dressing up as a seal and wading out in the open waters)

― donut e-goo (donut), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:25 (twenty years ago)

it's disturbing because it's not a nature show, it's some dumb fuck letting a mouse die. what's so hard to understand about that? it wasn't done for educational purposes

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

Well, I'm trying to bring up this discussion OUTSIDE the cage, figuratively and literally.

At the risk of bringing up this bugaboo again, the idea of of a man-made slaughterhouse for meat production is more chilling to me than TARANTULA vs. MOUSE... I don't think people are worse than me for thinking the opposite in this case, of course. But, I want to know what is it about BIG SPIDEY vs. LITTLE MOUSEY that makes people feel awful, aside from the issues that it was staged, etc. What if this was just something happening naturally outside a cage?

― donut e-goo (donut), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:27 (twenty years ago)

And don't argue that slaughterhouses aren't part of human nature today.

― donut e-goo (donut), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

unless you make a living dressing up as a seal and wading out in the open waters

HOW DARE YOU EXPOSE MY SECRET LIFE.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

"that frozen moment when everybody sees what's on the end of their fork"

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

Maybe it was. Also, it WAS educational (I'd never seen it before) and the owner of the spider has an obligation to feed the animal he's keeping in captivity. Is this better or worse than feeding it crickets or (ish) frozen dead mice (as referenced in the other thread)?

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:29 (twenty years ago)

OH NO A MOUSE WAS FED TO A TARANTULA THE HORROR THE PATHOS

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

(I look forward to the day when societal issues the negatively impact me are sufficiently small that I can care about non-issues like this.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

DAN IT WAS THE MOUSE THAT SANG "SOMEWHERE OUT THERE" NOW DON'T YOU FEEL CRUEL.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

it's some dumb fuck letting a mouse die. what's so hard to understand about that? it wasn't done for educational purposes

Uhhh I don't see what is so cruel about this. Animals need to eat you dumb fuck.

― DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

OMG. If someone seriously fed Fieval to a big fucking spider I'm going to send that person all of my money.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

They should have scooped Fieval's eyes out with little Disney-insigna spoons first.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

A lot of people haven't got a coherent attitude to other animals and their relationship to humans.

What Dan says: there's human beings starving every minute and some people devote their time to worrying about ickle furry bunnies.

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

(1) Icky spiders/crustaceans/etc. are completely alien. Please to reference all the horror/sci-fi movies where the monsters are really just pumped-up, single-minded archnostaceans with a yen for mammalian blood.

(2) Bugs Attack! is the mirrored horror of Durandal going Rampant: Mother Nature run amuck v. Human created intelligence run amuck. Both have overrun the confines of their station and upset the Natural Order of Things.

(xpost Dan et al: OTM. This is my PETA drives me crazy.)

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

Somewhere out there
Beneath the pale moonlight
Someone's thinking of me
And eating my eyes tonight.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

Guys, DURANDAL. Come on.

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

Animals need to eat you dumb fuck.
that was uncalled for, asshole.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:39 (twenty years ago)

(Where does the punctuation go in that sentence???)

("Animals need to eat you dumb; fuck.")

(Nightmares of spiders eating my tongue tonight.)

(EW NIGHTMARES OF ROBERT SMITH AS THE SPIDERMAN TONIGHT EW)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

I believe you can buy vegetarian cat-food. That is more fucked up than any spider doing what comes naturally. I can fully understand humans choosing not to eat meat, but forcing carnivorous pets to do the same is just stupidity plain and simple.

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

I believe you can buy vegetarian cat-food.

I have just completely lost my shit.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

If Robert Smith was a spider-man he'd be able to take down fucking hippos.

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

I Shit You Not

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:43 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, though; that vegetarian cat food thing is a joke, yeah?

(XPOST OMG VEGAN CAT FOOD)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:44 (twenty years ago)

I read that 'fucking hippies' and the ultimate South Park movie suggested itself. xpost

Yeah, I heard about the veggie cat food deal. Veggie dog food too. In the liner notes for an old album of theirs Too Much Joy talk about how they gave these dogs owned by a rock star in LA real dog food because they were only eating veggie dog food. Amusingly, said rock star was Sammy Hagar.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

I believe you can buy vegetarian cat-food.

Oh totally. I have some friends in CO who will be raising their dog this way. Their dog is a HUSKY. Whatever. Some people buy their dogs sweaters instead of giving to the food shelter, etc. Not my thing and I'll leave it at that.

(Also: DURANDAL. Someone, please, validate my nerdiness.)

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

x post

I'd have fed them Hagar's dismembered corpse. But, y'know, the cholesterol...

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

"Got another order of carnitas ready for Cabo Wabo here."

"Seems kinda gamey."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

(Meanwhile, yes yes yes FUCKING DURANDAL THANK YOU ROLAND GO DEFEND CHARLEMAGNE NOW.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Speaking of South Park: The pictures on that website remind me of the animal show w/the Benny Hill type music that Kyle etal had to compete against for ratings. Am I right? HUH? AM I?

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

I liked the mouse, you fuckers!

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

I had to look Durandal up. I'm still only playing games from '92.

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

I SCOOP OUT YOUR EYES AND EAT THEM, ADAM.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

see, yes, some people just like to look at a mouse and not see it get eaten. I don't see why this means anyone has backward priorities or warrants exlamations like "what about the starving children in africa?" I don't want to look at a video of something eating them either. right?

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:52 (twenty years ago)

also, from what I can tell, the normal diet for a tarantula in captivity is crickets or 3 day old mice, which that mouse was not

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

Now I'm picturing the mouse running around that cage with the Benny Hill music playing.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:53 (twenty years ago)

The spider slaps the mouse on the head with sped-up film...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:54 (twenty years ago)

He should have started with a fly, and worked his way up to horse one animal at a time.

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

http://louvre.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/4d8/421/4d84214a-b36e-492c-a81b-d1725a2c6493.medium

You're dead, Ned.

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)

The spider slaps the mouse on the head with sped-up film...

...does that hurt more than normal-speed film?

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

HO HO HO LOOK AT THOSE STUPID HIPPIES HO HO
I AM SO MUCH BETTER FOR THEM FOR NOT CARING WHERE MY MONEY GOES OR WHAT CRUELTY IT HELPS TO SUPPORT
I LIKE TO LAUGH AT PEOPLE WHO DON'T FEEL THE NEED TO SATURATE EVERYTHING IN THEIR LIVES WITH CHEAP IRONY
THAT SHIT IS K-LAM0RZ
I AM CYNICAL AND SMUG
I DON'T HATE FUN

― TEH GHOST OF ILXBOT, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

Well, that was a good point well made.

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

I sympathise with people who are sqeamish about this but I distrust sentimentality wrt feeding and eating other creatures. Would it be better to feed the tarantula roaches 'cause they remind us less of our own mortality or 'cause we tend to despise them more than mice? This speaks merely to our own prejudices and I can't think of a good reason why they should win out over the tarantula's interests. Would it be less offensive if the mouse had been fed to a snake? The mouse, like the beasts whose flesh humans eat, was most likely raised as food. What of the mouse's supposed greater capacity to feel terror and pain compared to a cockroach? I don't know but in all the years I've tried to smush cockroaches, they didn't seem to eager to meet their maker either.

If given enough taurine, cats can be vegans, though I wonder how they would feel if someone gave them some meat. Still, I don't have a problem with people feeding their pets vegan or kosher or whatnot as long as they don't endanger the animals' health or severely diminish their quality of life.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

Would it be better to feed the tarantula roaches 'cause they remind us less of our own mortality or 'cause we tend to despise them more than mice?

what is bad about the video is that it is not someone feeding a tarantula, it is someone killing a mouse. there is a difference. I'm not sure why no-one else can see that though.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

Because no-one else actually cares that someone killed a mouse. I'm not sure why you can't see that.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:09 (twenty years ago)

As I said on the other thread, the video/the killing didn't bother me, the set-up and the sadism bother me. Some little freak on the Internets thought it would be kewl to needlessly kill an animal and show it off. That's bizarre and cruel.

It has nothing to do with 'nature' or 'what animals do' (as noted above, captive tarantulas don't usually get fed adult mice) - it's the equivalent of videotaping someone crushing a mouse with his foot. Still OK with that?

Dismissing it as unimportant is stupid - no one's saying that mouse-murder is more important than Sudan, but it was there for the commenting, comments were made.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

OTM

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:10 (twenty years ago)

Honest question: would the tarantula haved pounced so convincingly if he wasn't hungry and didn't give a shit? As M said above: what if it had been a snake? Unhungry snakes wouldn't give a shit if you had a mouse parade in front of them: they just ain't hungry.

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

it's the equivalent of videotaping someone crushing a mouse with his foot. Still OK with that?

Yes.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

jesus dan

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:16 (twenty years ago)

Killing mice

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

So you'd willingly watch and perhaps derive enjoyment from watching that, Dan?

Barring that, you'd think nothing of people deriving pleasure from watching mouse-crushing? No qualms with that whatsoever?

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:17 (twenty years ago)

I don't disagree with Kyle about the creepy voyeurism and I fear that whomever made this will turn into a less than stellar human being.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

Well, I was unfortunately too vague in my original intent with this thread.. and that is seeing the supposed horror of large arthropods devouring mammals in NATURE... not in cages owned by NET DORX0RZ!

I'm not arguing against kyle or milo here.

Discuss that issue in that thread, please. I only brought it up, just because it was an *indirect* trigger to my thinking about Arthropod vs. Mammal in GENERAL.

(mind you, i'm on tons of anti-allergy drugs right now, so if I'm a little incomprehensible, that's why.)

― donut e-goo (donut), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:18 (twenty years ago)

I am not going out of my way to look for videos of people killing animals (much like I didn't look at the tarantula eats a mouse thread) but, at the end of the day there is no possible way that I could care less about the welfare of vermin.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Barring that, you'd think nothing of people deriving pleasure from watching mouse-crushing? No qualms with that whatsoever?

It happens en masse every day, incognito ( <----- key word ). It's called the meat industry.

― donut e-goo (donut), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

(Nice "DOES IT GET YOU HOT YOU SICK FUCK????" slander technique, though; you should have been an MJ prosecutor.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

jesus christ do yall eat the crushed mice afterwards? i can't believe some of you pervs

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

well dan, you're the one that said you're okay with someone videotaping the crushing of a mouse. the videotaping was the key word there. so you put yourself in this position.

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

It had nothing to do with slander - the qualms with watching someone punish an animal for no discernible reason is the objection I'm voicing and that you're dismissing.

xpost

I am by no means an 'animal rights' type. I pretty much live on grilled chicken and turkey with some steak thrown in on occasion. Animals kill animals to live, we kill animals to live, etc.. I won't hunt or fish but don't mind people who do so reasonably.

But I have a problem with anyone deriving pleasure from the real misery or pain of another creature. Purposely wounding a deer to watch it slowly die would be fucked up. Pulling a fish out of the water to watch it flop around and die would be fucked up. Tossing a mouse into a tarantula's territory just to watch it die is fucked up.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

Mmmm crushed mouse sandwich.

― n/a (Nick A.), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

Discuss that issue in that thread, please. I only brought it up, just because it was an *indirect* trigger to my thinking about Arthropod vs. Mammal in GENERAL.

I did! And then Ned yelled at me.

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

I do think it's slightly hypocritical to be horrified by a concerted internet broadcast of a mouse being crushed, yet not blink when told the details of what happens in slaughterhouses all over the world. (I swear, I'm not trying to be all C*l*m on y'all.)

The key thing is.. we're NOT told about slaughterhouses all the time. they are just black boxes we just don't think about, cognitively and behaviorly.

Not saying people who are hypocritical in that way are bad people! It's just an interesting paradox.

― donut e-goo (donut), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)

has anyone said that they aren't?

― kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Unsurprisingly, I'm with Dan here on much of this (possibly all). Let's put it this way -- knowing the content of the video, I have no desire to see it. That I think someone took the time to set this up and film it is a waste of time, to put it mildly, but it's not my decision. Given the state of the world in general, however, one mouse dying isn't causing me much concern, one guy filming it is lame but there ya go.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:25 (twenty years ago)

dan is it yr position the crush videos and animal planet snuff flix like tarantula vs. fievel aren't done for entertainment and/or arousal? or that there isn't maybe something a little off at getting entertained/aroused by cruelty to animals? i mean apparently it's cool-de-la with you but do you really not grasp why people might find what's pretty much classic serial killer in training behavioral tics a lil bit grody?

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

http://giantspiders.com/food_and_water.html

Unsurprisingly, it's illegal to feed live mammals to your tarantula in the U.K.

Do we know that he (?) did this merely to watch the mouse-ass-kicking abilities of his spider or was it legitimate feeding. I remember seeing the photos but the video link was broken for me.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

But we're (or I'm) not horrified by the death of the mouse - I'm horrified at the motive of the person crushing it/killing it and the motive of the person watching and getting off on it.

I also wouldn't watch a video of a slaughterhouse and get off on it - but at least that leads to beef that leads to people eating (even if raising beef is incredibly wasteful and, yes, cruel). In fact, there's a documentary about a slaughterhouse on one of my Criterion DVDs that I don't have the guts to watch.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:26 (twenty years ago)

I think what is important here is that every single person who is getting really up in the mix about Dan's OKness with mouse killing must list the last three pornographic sites they visited. I mean as long as we're gonna be all "DO SPIDERS EATING MICE GET YOU HARD!" about it.

NB I do not enjoy watching spiders eat mice, that shit sounds nasty and I actually have no idea what any of you are talking about but jesus christ tarantulas eat mice people! Yeah it's weird some kids filmed it but it's not like the kids themselves bit the head off a live mouse or something.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

why would that be worse?

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:27 (twenty years ago)

Also, I do think there is a difference between humans manufacturing animals as food, versus lions preying on antelope, or what have you. Humans have learned to not fight in the process of this mechanism. It's unique. It's human nature, as opposed to, well, "nature" nature.

Thing is.. suffering occurs in all of the above cases. I agree I can't understand the mindset of someone who enjoys seeing something painfully die.. that's sick. but when it happens en masse under a big black box where no has to see it, then it's ok.

Oddly enough, the Iraq war is a great example of this.. although the goal isn't food there.. at least directly.

― donut e-goo (donut), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

www.necrophiliacsmotto.com
www.snuff.com
www.jackoshouseoffun.com

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

easy enough - suicidegirls, fleshbot (cheating i'm sure), drudgereport

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

(And the shark/human thing doesn't apply, as we don't have to fear for sharks every day of our lives.. unless you make a living dressing up as a seal and wading out in the open waters)

-- donut e-goo

OR UNLESS YOU ARE A SEAL. THERE ARE OTHER ANIMALS POSTING HERE TOO YOU KNOW.

― Bernard Badger, Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:29 (twenty years ago)

I don't care at all about the conditions insde of slaughterhouses, either, so at least I'm consistent!

I am okay with someone videotaping the crushing of a mouse because I don't give a fuck about what someone decides to do to a mouse. You guys are the ones getting yourselves hot and bothered over the concept of someone getting hot and bothered over torturing mice. I'm not sure which neurosis best covers that but I'm going with the standard college-freshman-debate choice of "projection" because it makes you look bad and makes me look superior, plus your earlier posts towards me put that type of petty bullshit into play.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

donut the other day i was grilling steaks, there's this huge pasture in my back yard and these cows were milling about going 'MOO MOO' so i held up a steak, pointed at it and then pointed at them and went 'YOU YOU'. fucking cows.

― j blount (papa la bas), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

What would the consensus be here if the video had been of a tied-up Tom Delay being slowly devoured by a small colony of tarantulas?

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

Tarantulas naturally eat mice, though. Had some dude thrown a kitten into the cage, then sure. Oh, the catmanity.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

Why stop there, M. White? How about a video of a buck naked DeLay and a buck naked Michael Moore fighting each other with trained tarantulas?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:34 (twenty years ago)

Oh, the felinity!

xpost

I like the cut of your jib, Raggett.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)

Urgh, I don't.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

blount, what happened after the cow kung fu?

― donut e-goo (donut), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

milo and kyle OTM

So sue me, but no, I don't want to watch people killing mice for minor internet brownie points. And that is one of the many millions of things that I, as someone who has a choice in these matters, would prefer not to be exposed to. Dan and donut and Ned can also all do and think what they like.

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

Why anyone might even have to defend their own position on this is beyond me, frankly.

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

what if they were tarantu-bots like in Runaways (starring Tom Selleck and Gene Simmons!)?

― donut e-goo (donut), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

I'm with Dan and Ned insofar that if some dude wants to video himself feeding his tarantula, then whatever. Like I said, the tarantula probably wouldn't have pounced had it not been feeding time.

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:38 (twenty years ago)

That's what I said - the dude can do that, but I don't want to watch it nor do I feel like I need to explain why I MIGHT have a moral objection to watching it.

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:40 (twenty years ago)

I'm with ya.

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

And I think mice are cute.

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:41 (twenty years ago)

And monkeys and kittens.

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

I'm confused; did that thread hijack your browser and play the movie clip over and over while disabling your mouse and fusing the power cord of your computer into the power outlet? Or did you think that a thread titled "mouse gets eaten by a tarantula" was going to somehow show pictures of kittens?

The "I don't care" brigade aren't the people making spurious accusations about the sexual proclivities of other ILX posters (without provocation) so you might want to think carefully about the brush with which you'd like to be tarred.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:42 (twenty years ago)

Would you like a can opener for those worms?

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:43 (twenty years ago)

Dan, I'm pretty sure I made it clear that my question about deriving enjoyment had nothing to do with characterizing you - it was illustrating the issues raised by the video and clarifying your dismissal of them. At no point did I even hint that you got off on animal cruelty.

Hell, I don't even know where this 'sexual proclivities' bullshit comes from. My question, exactly: "So you'd willingly watch and perhaps derive enjoyment from watching that, Dan?"

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

NO UNDERTONES TO THAT, NO NOT AT ALL

Connotations are your friend, Milo.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

I love this point in the thread.

― Haikunym (Haikunym), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:48 (twenty years ago)

The point where everyone goes home? Yes, it's great.

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

Right, no undertones there at all, unless you're determined to find an affront (shockah!).

Me: "You okay with that?"
You: "Yes."
Me: "You'd watch and enjoy it? You'd think nothing of people who did?"
You: "No, I wouldn't enjoy it" (which, incidentally, indicates that you're not 'ok' with it but whatever)

It's hard to argue with apathy - you don't care, oooh so cynical, etc.. But in no way did I ever imply that your 'sexual proclivities' ran toward animal crushing fetishism.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:53 (twenty years ago)

It's like Christmas Day in the trenches of the Somme, when the Germans and the English put aside their differences for a friendly game of football.

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Can I just point out that this thread is totally awesome to read, for the first time, backwards, so that you're continually scrolling up and wondering how exactly someone threw sexual arousal into the mix? It's like a reverse slow-mo shot of glass shards lifting into the air and reassembling themselves into ... aha, a cup, that's what it was.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

...What if the mouse was screaming for help?

― the D Double signal (nordicskilla), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

What I said: I am not going out of my way to look for videos of people killing animals (much like I didn't look at the tarantula eats a mouse thread) but, at the end of the day there is no possible way that I could care less about the welfare of vermin.

This does not boil down to the summary "No, I wouldn't enjoy it" (which, incidentally, indicates that you're not 'ok' with it but whatever) but whatever.

(xpost Nabisco you are my hero)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

I guess that's kinda like "so would you watch it" doesn't boil down to "YOU GET HARD WATCHING MICE GET CRUSHED DON'T YOU HUH HUH TELL ME."

(And boy is it a good thing we put the 'welfare of vermin' strawman to bed, isn't it?)

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)

The video would've been better had the tarantula been wearing high heels.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:07 (twenty years ago)

Now you're making it sound like one of the porn productions in Meet the Feebles

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:08 (twenty years ago)

Replace the mouse with Peter Lorre, and I may never leave the house again!

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

(Except for snacks.)

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

You could train tarantulas to bring you snacks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Their definition of snacks may be slightly different though, Ned.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:14 (twenty years ago)

This is why you have to train them.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

Duh, M. Get with it, already.

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

http://www.kobra-uebernehmen-sie.de/Media/miphoto/Badler_003.jpg

That's what I'm talkin' about.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

Oh good lord, you sick fuck. (I was a huge fan at the time. Even of the regular TV series.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

I didn't even think about the sexual arousal aspect until Allyzay mentioned it, and I was hella confused when she brought it up...

So, sorry Dan, but I didn't get the same connotations from Milo's question than you did.

FUCKING HELL! I JUST WANTED A THREAD TALKING ABOUT THE SOMEWHAT RARE ANOMALY OF ONE-ON-ONE ARTHROPOD VS. MAMMAL PREDATOR/PREY RELATIONSHIPS IN NATURE -- OUTSIDE A CAGE -- AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JACKING OFF TO VIDEOS OF MICE GETTING CRUSHED, AND FUCKING JANE BADLER!! 'SICK FUCKS' INDEED!

― donut e-goo (donut), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

ohhhh you men

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Wednesday, 15 June 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

I agree w/dan about not really caring about what happens to vermin.
I would assume that anyone whe gets off on videos of mice being crused is an asshole.
I'm sorry the thread didn't turn out the way donut e-goo wanted it to.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 16 June 2005 16:28 (twenty years ago)

Haha poor DB.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 16 June 2005 16:58 (twenty years ago)

I feel like I should be getting you something from your wish list for ruining your thread.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 16 June 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Heavens! And given how often threads stay on topic at that! *grousegripe* ;-)

― donut e-goo (donut), Thursday, 16 June 2005 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Dude, I was the one who explicitly stated the leap in logic going on between your statement and the questioning. It is I who should apologize, with gifts.

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 16 June 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

Between Ally's kindness and DB imitating me, all is well.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 17:27 (twenty years ago)

"An arthropod consumating a mammal : 1 on 1... what's supposedly so disturbing about this?"

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Thursday, 16 June 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Depends where the legs are meant to go, I guess.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 June 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

TARANTULA V MOUSE: DOES IT MAKE YOU HORNY? YEAH BABY YEAH

― Allyzay knows a little German (allyzay), Thursday, 16 June 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

five years pass...

OMG. If someone seriously fed Fieval to a big fucking spider I'm going to send that person all of my money.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Wednesday, June 15, 2005 12:33 PM (5 years ago)

― Buff Orpington (Abbbottt), Sunday, 13 March 2011 01:47 (fifteen years ago)

Mice are Nature's Popcorn; everything eats them. Start worrying when a tarantula eats a moose.

― Aimless, Sunday, 13 March 2011 02:43 (fifteen years ago)

All those terrible Giant Cobra vs Humungous Wasp movies on SyFy miss an essential point I think - a cobra is scary because it's venomous and a gigantic thing is scary because it's gigantic. Being a gigantic cobra just doesn't add anything. It might as well be a 50 foot earthworm and the same degree of terror wd ensue.

― The north-east's Number 2 children's party magician (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 13 March 2011 02:46 (fifteen years ago)

Mice are Nature's Popcorn

Popcorn isn't natural? *looks at packet of corn suspiciously*

― StanM, Sunday, 13 March 2011 05:51 (fifteen years ago)

a gigantic thing is scary because it's gigantic

As proven conclusively in "Night of the Lepus."

― There's nothing left alive but a pair of ashy thighs (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 13 March 2011 05:55 (fifteen years ago)

...and if the video descriptions are anything to go by, crush fetishists are masochists, not sadists; the idea is to pretend you are the animal, plant, or thing being destroyed.

― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Monday, 14 March 2011 01:23 (fifteen years ago)

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