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My poo is Calum.

Not so much concerned with the rights or wrongs of the practice, or why people do it (there are other threads for this). Just wondering if anyone here is willing to to admit to being an authority on ilx's long history of trolls, and if they'd tell me a bit about all of them: Who was the first, etc.? What is the style of each individual troll (nasty, playful, obtuse, rakish, peverted, charming)? Who may have started as a troll, but then eventually became ilx establishment / attending FAP's, even? What might the troll of the future look like? Who tried so hard to be a troll, whilst there efforts went pitifully largely unoticed?

― Nintendo Carl, Sunday, 19 June 2005 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

Just names to add to the list:

Doomie
Bosko Balaban Statistics (?)
GARU G
The Amazing Randy
TIM@KFC.EDU

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 19 June 2005 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

During the first thread on which I remember Calum acting trollish, Sleeper vs The Strokes, I thought he was genuinely funny through sheer exuberance of insult and sounding convincingly and surreally psychotic. Obviously an ass, but it made for a very funny thread. I usually enjoy the trolls. Calum's stuff became tired very quickly though.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 19 June 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

i guess an ilx troll feeders pov would be more interesting

― fe zaffe (fezaffe), Sunday, 19 June 2005 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

I think people don't always realise trolling is taking place until they've seen several posts by the same person. It's a subjective label anyway: I mean in simplest terms it just means anybody who pisses a bunch of other people off, and that can cover a broad stream of behaviour. And I guess different moods might lead somebody to respond to trolling quite differently: some days it's easy to ignore, other days reading some provocative bullshit might make yr head snap and force you to respond against yr better judgement.

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Sunday, 19 June 2005 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

other days reading some provocative bullshit might make yr head snap and force you to respond against yr better judgement.

Another good troll thread: Alex in NYC vs. Smash on Are any of you punk rockers?.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 19 June 2005 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a borderline troll at this point, so y'know...

(pick me! pick me!)

― Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Sunday, 19 June 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

garu g

― DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

My opo would be J0hn D4hl3m, that 30-vehicle mental auto accident on a foggy freeway to nowhere. His spaz-out a few months ago made me realize that trying to talk to someone who needs quick medical help is like trying to put a band-aid on an amputation. It made Ahz's similar meltdown easier to deal with (i.e., ignore).

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

B3cky Luc4s, easily. Utterly, utterly horrible in every concievable way.

C*l*m gets a prize for longevity, I suppose. Doomie, I think, was genuinely outraged by some of the stuff we came out w/. back in the day.

This shd be a pov for trolls from other boards, j*y d*n*nv*ll*, who just about killed the ah0t list off, or "xg", for example. Actually, fuck that, it's a terrible idea

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Neither (the original) Amazing Randy nor TIM@KFC.EDU is a troll. They are works of art.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

I liked Dada, but he might be more in the art direction as well, unless you're on dialup.

― M Annoyman (Ferg), Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Neuromancer!

― Tom (Groke), Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

rofl @ that sleeper/strokes thread, anyway. c@lz3r getting more & more irate as it goes on, j blount doing it like a g o right from the start.

Back in the greenspun days, calz0r did have this habit of posting troll threads pretending to be other ilx people. He really has been here for ages and ages and ages.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Who may have started as a troll, but then eventually became ilx establishment / attending FAP's, even?

http://ilx.p3r.net/newanswers.php?board=86

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

Citing "Neuromancer" is Tom's way of pulling rank. "I was here first!" I think he(?) actually was the 1st ilm troll.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

I liked Dada, but he might be more in the art direction as well, unless you're on dialup.

Dada posted on just about every thread at one point, and wasn't even clever, let alone 'in the art direction'. The Real Randy and KFC post(ed) only occasionally and start(ed) their own threads.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Sunday, 19 June 2005 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Does conner Smedley fall in the Randy/KFC "harmless nonsense" category?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 19 June 2005 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

GARU G /= troll

― Amon (eman), Sunday, 19 June 2005 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Do Geir and Trife count? Do they count more or less if they actually believe what they posted?

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Sunday, 19 June 2005 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

OMG DID TRIFE ACTUALLY LIKE HIP-HOP??? WHATTA TROLL!

― j blount (papa la bas), Sunday, 19 June 2005 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

I think the meaning of troll is getting confused.

― jaymc (jaymc), Sunday, 19 June 2005 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

b3cky luc4s seconded. just blisteringly insane.

― g e o f f (gcannon), Sunday, 19 June 2005 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

Do Geir and Trife count?

There is no sense in which Geir is or was a troll.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 19 June 2005 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Monomaniac would be closer to the mark.

― Taste the Blood of Scrovula (noodle vague), Sunday, 19 June 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

The old Randy (who just posted "HI DERE!") wasn't a troll, but my vote for the most irritating troll goes to his later incarnation. Unlike Calum, he wasn't funny at the least; he made personal attacks towards Jon Williams (and made me sympathetize Jon, even though just a short while earlier I had considered Jon to be quite trollish himself), shitted on numerous threads and almost made ILE become "registered users only". Then there was of course "JAKC", but that was most likely just the same dude.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Sunday, 19 June 2005 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

there is no sense in which trife was a troll either!

― g e o f f (gcannon), Sunday, 19 June 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

has lived in my front room for more than a week = is not a troll

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

sweet jesus, get over yourselves.

― sunny successor (standing in the light of my own musical power) (katharine), Sunday, 19 June 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

cz b3cky luc4s only stayed six days

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

that was it? whoa.

waitaminit mark, do you live under a bridge?

― g e o f f (gcannon), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

this one:
http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/Hietbrink/Bricktales/Lord-of-the-Rings/lotrstory/book2/chapter205/lotr205-09.jpg

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 19 June 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

could someone point me to a classic b3cky luc4s thread?

― rainy (rainy), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

as requested

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

About six post into "Becky Lucas": C or D? there is a list of threads.

― Eyeball Kicks (Eyeball Kicks), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

I like the whole googleproofing of 'b3cky luc4s'. Like a love so strong that we dare not speak its name.

― Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Sunday, 19 June 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

please explain: doomie and s trife for those who weren't there. Actually, please explain everyone.

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

s trife's big schtick was to accuse everyone of racism wasnt it? He was bloody irritating.

― Trayce (trayce), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

so like the anti geir almost?

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:51 (nineteen years ago)

also, the majority of trolls = classic until the schtick wears thin. I Think the first time I read a Garru C post I nearly choked on my morning cornflakes.

― dog latin (dog latin), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:52 (nineteen years ago)

doomie was/is verbose, often baffling, occasionally aggressive and difficult to reason with, but i never considered him a troll.

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

anyway he's been calmed down for a long time now

― shine headlights on me (electricsound), Sunday, 19 June 2005 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

haha omg scroll down

― g e o f f (gcannon), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

I wrote a sentence once on ILM that, because I was imitating internet hax0r talk, had a few "yo's" and "'sups" in it, and trife fully went off at me about mocking black people's language or some shit. And I got angry and fell for it, didnt I. Thats a troll for you. :(

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:04 (nineteen years ago)

I have very often found Doomie to be absolutely hilarious. In his heyday I wondered if I had a troll heart because I would be jubilant while other people were fuming.

― estela (estela), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

oh oh oh real actual interaction with lol tolhurst here and here.

― g e o f f (gcannon), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

even in my absence you speak of me.

― troll hero, Monday, 20 June 2005 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

haha hi there.

― g e o f f (gcannon), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

anyway LOOK LOOK LOOK B3CKY LUC4S TALKING TO A REAL ACTUAL CURE MEMBER omg LOL

― g e o f f (gcannon), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

it's nice to know my time here did not go unremarked.

― troll hero, Monday, 20 June 2005 00:26 (nineteen years ago)

there is no such thing as absence on ilx

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

i wz never a bit bothered by any of the capital-letter trolls

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

but there is enforced exile.

― troll hero, Monday, 20 June 2005 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

it is too hot to sleep in london

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:29 (nineteen years ago)

trolls are so interesting!

― rainy (rainy), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

rainy is an undercover troll

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

mark is

― rainy (rainy), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.papermag.com/paperdaily/paperclips/01paperclips/reverend_jen/images/troll_types.jpg

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

drunk, i think.

how hot is it? you fucking englanders are pussies. i bet it's 72 with a cool fog.

i'm not trolling, i'm just waiting for seinfeld to come on. in 2 hrs.

― chico's bail bonds, Monday, 20 June 2005 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.st-georgen.uni-frankfurt.de/lehrende/troll.html

― rainy (rainy), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:43 (nineteen years ago)

"Londoners basked in the scorching heat as the mercury soared to 33C (91.4F) in the capital"

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:47 (nineteen years ago)

google image for hottest ever troll brings up an angelina jolie poster

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

33? Scorching? Pah! Wusses ;P Call us back when it goes ove 40C, dudes ;)

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

Can I just also say that I am loving opening a thread where the first sentence is "my poo is Calum".

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 20 June 2005 01:48 (nineteen years ago)

i watched the UK DVD of the Toolbox Murders remake, directed by Tobe (clapped out) Hooper - only to find that one of the commentary track is hosted by Calum Wadell!! he sounds like a gimp (and the film is v. poor too)

― Andrew exL, Monday, 20 June 2005 04:07 (nineteen years ago)

WOAH!

― Masked Gazza, Monday, 20 June 2005 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

September 11th, 2001 rocked the very foundations of American society and put the entire world on notice that no person or thing is safe. We now live in an age when fear lurks within our everyday life, and Horror has a duty to reflect these concerns in a way that other genres are unable to, just as it has done in times past.”

– Calum W*dd*ll, Horror Journalist and Fearless Tales Panelist

― lookee, Monday, 20 June 2005 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

no person or thing is safe

FROM INTERNET TROLLS

― jody l'anti-vierge (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 20 June 2005 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

trife was never a troll

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 June 2005 04:16 (nineteen years ago)

Hooper joins Anderson (a woman) and Gierasch (who does a hell of a Jack White impersonation in the film proper as the Lusman's resident handyman) on one of two feature-length yak-tracks, the second of which assembles British co-producers Jacquelline Quella and Terence Potter and journalist Calum W*dd*ll. The first commentary is revelatory--one gets the nagging sensation that Anderson and Gierasch ought to have directed the picture, as they not only seem to know more about the final product than Hooper does ("They did?" Hooper asks incredulously after he's told that a band called Shithead recorded the ending theme), but also 'credit' Hooper with insisting on changes to their screenplay that stick out like a sore thumb, such as the elimination of a passage of time between the prologue and our introduction to the Barrows that more or less imposes an awkward real-time gimmick on the proceedings. Meanwhile, Quella and Potter, neither of whom have seen Donnelly's The Toolbox Murders in its entirety, are a couple of blatantly opportunistic fuddy-duddies unsuccessfully steered towards intelligent discourse by Scottish film critic W*dd*ll.

― lookee, Monday, 20 June 2005 04:19 (nineteen years ago)

i find all the evidence of calum's being a smart and ambitious fellow more disturbing, if anything.... it suggests that he suffers from some strange need to play this "role" of troll on ILX (and maybe elsewhere?).

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 20 June 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago)

see also: marcello

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 20 June 2005 04:21 (nineteen years ago)

also there isn't such an obvious split between marcello's professional side and his unhinged trollish side--questions of intentionality and control and such are confounded. (well, they confound me.)

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Monday, 20 June 2005 04:22 (nineteen years ago)

trife was never a troll

In that case was he genuinely spluttering with outrage about percieved racism so often? Granted, I dont read ILM a lot, so Im sure he also talked about other stuff, but I only ever saw him baiting.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 20 June 2005 04:24 (nineteen years ago)

We start with an audio commentary from director Tobe Hooper and screenwriters Jace Anderson and Adam Gierasch. This is an adequate commentary, as the trio discusses the production of the film at length. As all three were deeply involved with the film (with Adam doing double-duty as a writer and an actor) and they have many first-hand anecdotes about the movie. They never comment on the quality of the movie though. A second commentary contains producers Jacqueline Quella and Terence Potter, as well as journalist Calum W*dd*ll. This commentary may be challenging for some, as Potter and W*dd*ll both have thick accents.

― lookee, Monday, 20 June 2005 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.wanker.ca/fat%20bastard.jpg

― DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

it was pretty amusing how most people didn't think trife was white. self-hatred, ahoy.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 20 June 2005 06:00 (nineteen years ago)

"trife didn't scare me!!"

― s1ocki (slutsky), Monday, 20 June 2005 06:05 (nineteen years ago)

i saw what hanley wrote down and it was good and silly. i came here at first becos i was in trouble and wanted to write a silly thing down too to escape from trouble. i escaped trouble then i writed some more silly thigns later but not as good as my firsts about who is the women. not as good but better then nothing. once a while i try and write about what the other persuns are talking about before i got there but it dont always work too good. but i dont write enough for it to be mattered too much like those other guys are mattered too much. i liked what i wrote about chef boyardi. its not as good as my first but i like what i wrote. i liked conor smedly too. i liked amazing randy a little bit too and the hey deres. owl man wasnt too good but fred said he was ok for being the owl and man got together.

― TIM@KFC.EDU, Monday, 20 June 2005 06:17 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, umm, trife never said he "hated white ppl" or anything - that was what people liked to imagine he was saying so they wouldn't have to actually listen to him

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 20 June 2005 06:27 (nineteen years ago)

haha anyone's who's met trife or talked to him (or even - here's a thought! - read his posts) wouldn't accuse him of hating himself or white people.

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 June 2005 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

also - most people didn't think trife was white? who's "most people"??? name names oops!

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 June 2005 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I sure as hell thought he was black.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 20 June 2005 06:52 (nineteen years ago)

why?????q

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 June 2005 06:54 (nineteen years ago)

Well, because he was constantly calling people racist - I'm not saying all black people do that, nor that white folks can't do it, but without any background knowledge about him, that's what I thought.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 20 June 2005 06:58 (nineteen years ago)

fuck this place. bye ilx!

― j blount (papa la bas), Monday, 20 June 2005 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.defence.gov.au/news/navynews/editions/4710/images/03-rimpac%20bye.jpg

― Bye!, Monday, 20 June 2005 07:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.scumpa.com/~art/missy-going-away/bye-bye-med.jpg

― Bye!, Monday, 20 June 2005 07:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/furniture/in_depth/cricket/2001/ashes/umpire/bye.jpg

― Bye!, Monday, 20 June 2005 07:15 (nineteen years ago)

I never regarded ethan/trife as a troll, and I used to usually enjoy his contributions, even when he was going "off on one".

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 20 June 2005 07:19 (nineteen years ago)

the thing is that I think the trife persona was in many ways yer man playing up some stuff for effect - obviously, if/when it didn't make people think/question, it wasn't successful, but certainly for me I found him provocative in a postive sense, fucking on point about a number of things, and genuinely interested in what assumptions were informing discussions

however his So So Def love remains inexplicable

― Banana Nutrament (ghostface), Monday, 20 June 2005 07:28 (nineteen years ago)

TRIFE IS WHITE? HOLE SHIT

― Sociah T Azzahole, 2003 (blueski), Monday, 20 June 2005 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

Hah! I got a bit bored with his incessant accusations of people being racist. But he was/is a great writer. I used to have a pic of him somewhere up my old site. Alas, long gone. He was a skinny boy. Or at least that the boy on the pic was.

― nathalie's post modern sleaze fest (stevie nixed), Monday, 20 June 2005 07:54 (nineteen years ago)

"incessant"?! wtf it's like he never did anything else ever or something. WHAT ABT THE THREAD WHERE HE ASKED ABT THE DURUTTI COLUMN?!?

― g e o f f (gcannon), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:05 (nineteen years ago)

this thread has seen remarkably little reaction to b3cky luc4s talking about her husband's penis with a former cure member. i thought i'd hit ilx gold there.

― g e o f f (gcannon), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:06 (nineteen years ago)

I thought he was a pasty white nerd journo baiting people from behind his pc cos he got a kick out of it.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:07 (nineteen years ago)

As Paul McCartney featuring Stevie Wonder said so wisely back in 1982: "There is good and bad in everyone."

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:08 (nineteen years ago)

FWIW Marcello lately you've been pretty cool and funny, so I apologise for that screaming rant I had at yer before.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:13 (nineteen years ago)

haha trife is v.skinny still nath

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:15 (nineteen years ago)

aw bless you trayce. i've unleashed tons of screaming rants so should apologise a millionfold for those.

anyway life has taken a turn for the better recently, so i'm kind of on the outskirts of happy at the moment. one step at a time and all that...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:27 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I never though Trife was a troll either. He could be irritating and repetitive and non-constructive, but he had good points too, and I agreed with him quite, regarding rap music.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

Along with Mark S, Trife was one of my two initial favourite posters on ILX.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:47 (nineteen years ago)

i thought i'd hit ilx gold there.

I'm still in a state of shock geoff. Awesome.

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 20 June 2005 08:55 (nineteen years ago)

what martin said. i can see how it might be annoying to be on the other side of an argument with trife but never having been in that position i found his posts incredibly entertaining and more often than not pretty right-on. i wish he still posted, does he have a blog anywhere?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 20 June 2005 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

It seems there haven't been that many trolls, after all?

― Nintendo Carl, Monday, 20 June 2005 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

Well the thread seems to have turned into a Trife tribute thread, which in itself is no bad thing, but no, when you add it up, there probably haven't been that many.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 June 2005 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

trife's list of ILX0rs using black slang in quotation marks was fucking classic.

Conner was never a troll - if anything, ILX was trolling him.

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 20 June 2005 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, there haven't been that many really. "Neuromancer", becky and c*l*m, are really the onlyh memorable ones who are undoubtedly trollish.

ROFFLE @ becky hammering on at lol tolhurst, of all people!! When is she going to ask him to fuck himself up the ass w/a bizarrely shaped animal dildo, I wonder?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 20 June 2005 11:29 (nineteen years ago)

trife's blog: http://gelandweave.blogspot.com (posting as "plum drank")

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

I kind of think maybe Geir WAS a troll once, long before I ever encountered him, but he held his face too long and the wind changed and he actually woke up one morning believing it all.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I really miss Doomie. Still my favourite troll. Because he started trolling ILX then realised that he actually loved it, and become ONE OF US!!! ONE OF US!!! by the end of it all. I heart him.

― The Square Root Of Negative Two (kate), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

1)trolls can tell you a lot about the general health of a forum.
2)they're impervious to each other / they avoid each other; can't think of m/any examples where two long-standing notorious trolls have swapped insults or tried to out-troll each other in a thread or on a board. there seems to be an intuitive understanding, a troll code of honor, whereby an individual troll is granted exclusive rights to any threads s/he starts or infiltrates.
3)trolling has attached to it an undeniable romance. seen in the same way as spring-heeled jacks or highwaymen, most rule-abiding posters (including those who protest the most) can't help but be attracted to the mythology, as is demonstrated upthread.
4)being a troll is a very lonely business at the best of times. there are various kinds of troll (some are giddy, some artful, some just nasty), but all of them have loneliness in common. the loneliest of them all, however, is the so called Troll-X, who habitually assumes a different name for each post they post. of course, conventional trolls never get to bond with the other members on a board, but the Troll-X doesn't even get the chance to become an established identity before s/he changes their name and addy and moves on to the next trollfoonery.

― Clinton Cards, Monday, 20 June 2005 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

I got the impression Doomie regularly did an ILX search for posts after x days ago mentioning 'doomie'. Now the search is fixed, expect him along any minute...

― mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

doomie still posts to ilm every now and then. you don't really see him on here.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

Doomie still posts regularly on ILM.

There are a handful of people who change their name with each post. There's one who mostly posts news stories on ILM and there's another who's an I Love Books regular. Neither are trolls, strictly speaking.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

How do you know so much, Tom?

― Livingston, Monday, 20 June 2005 12:44 (nineteen years ago)

the only poster that tom isn't is you, livingston

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

"incessant"?! wtf it's like he never did anything else ever or something. WHAT ABT THE THREAD WHERE HE ASKED ABT THE DURUTTI COLUMN?!?

Shall we agree on "excessive"? Or maybe "a lot"? *insert gigantic (err no, just big... ah no, large... ah fuck it you decide what size) smiley*

― nathalie's post modern sleaze fest (stevie nixed), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

x-post

― Livingston, Monday, 20 June 2005 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

neuromancer = nude spock

― Andrew exL, Monday, 20 June 2005 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

The ILM one I noticed ages ago when the same numbers kept cropping up in the IP address field.

The tell-tale sign is loads of 'new people' turning up and all agreeing with each other. It means either there's an external link, or they're the same person, a quick IP check tells you which.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

b-but haven't you heard of internet sharing?

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:58 (nineteen years ago)

haha was that it was called? i love the taste of long-congealed in-joke

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

GET TWO INTERNET

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 20 June 2005 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

"internet connection sharing"

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

Though that specific time was after an external link too.

(sorry everybody else, do carry on)

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

Take two internets into the shower? Not me..

See ya, Tom!

― Livingston, Monday, 20 June 2005 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

Dada was once thought of as a troll? Hmm. Last week I had myself convinced that Dada was just another aspect of Marcello. I haven't unconvinced myself yet.

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

trife was never a troll

Yeah, it's pretty sad to think that there are people out there who think he is/was.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

B3cky Luc@s was the only troll who was frightening. All the others are jokes.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 20 June 2005 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

Dada was once thought of as a troll? Hmm. Last week I had myself convinced that Dada was just another aspect of Marcello. I haven't unconvinced myself yet.

Dada does not = Dadaismus

― stevie (stevie), Monday, 20 June 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

-- Amateur(ist) (amat...), June 20th, 2005 1:21 AM. (Amateur(ist))

He always says he's just trying to rile us up!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 20 June 2005 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

"The second yack-track maintains the quality. In fact, this is more detailed, thanks to moderator C@llum Waddell; a Scottish film critic. The producers are very vocal about the project in general, from getting the script right, to making it work. They also let slip their feelings on the original (which I wholeheartedly agree with). Working with Hooper is discussed too, and Waddell questions them throughout, offering a lot of fan-friendly factoids. An enjoyable audio essay."

"C@llum Waddell, a movie journalist and the best listen here..."

― Matt CY, Monday, 20 June 2005 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

Whassat? "Review by DVD Derek"?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 20 June 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

Dada was once thought of as a troll? Hmm. Last week I had myself convinced that Dada was just another aspect of Marcello. I haven't unconvinced myself yet.

Dada does not = Dadaismus

I don't think anyone thought Dadaismus was Dada. And I never thought Dada was a troll either. He didn't attack people, start his own threads or anything, he just had his own stick that was occasionally irritating, occasionally amusing, but never trollish.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 20 June 2005 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

"sctick" = "schtick"

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 20 June 2005 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

Wait -- there are ILXor's who don't regularly search for their own names? No wonder the "X to thread" technique has fallen by the wayside.

Okay so Trife wasn't a troll, anything but trollish at first, but there was a period there where his provocations had pretty much the same effect as light trolling, particularly with those new to the forum; it was almost like old-ILX trolling nu-ILX, or something. And there was a loud brief period where it even went beyond "productive" provocation and became totally cheap and easy and insensible, and I don't think I got nearly as much of a kick as some (Clover? Blount?) out of watching newcomers try to engage the guy and of course reveal the wrong bits of their thinking and lose. That's not just trolling, though, not specifically or solely, and anyone who thinks of him as simply that provocateur would be well advised to look back to 2001 threads where he's politely discussing his love for Apples in Stereo and telling me how awesome I am.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

My name is too short to search.

― DAEREST V1CE MAGAZINE!!!!! (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

there was this "MV" fellow who posted a few times, one of those "I am better than you and I shall prove it with cutting remarks about your social ineptitude", who at the same time longed for ilx acceptance.

― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

While eating lunch, I remembered Noelle. Who could forget our resident Hawaiian 14-year-old who asked us how to wank?

― jocelyn (Jocelyn), Monday, 20 June 2005 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

calum doesn't really bother me. is that sick and wrong?

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

My poo is Calum.

Calum is poo. He is funny, but his terrible insecurity is really obvious!

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

Nowell was not a troll.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 20 June 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

(I'd like to point out that Trife's behavior towards nu-ilx as described by nabisco is basically an internet dictionary definition of trolling.)

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it was basically trolling from inside the community, which -- I dunno if that counts as trolling or not! His agenda was in every way the troll's -- wind people up, enjoy watching them go to pieces trying to respond to things, avoid any kind of even-keel honest discussion that could develop from the issues raised. He was just the "troll" who'd spent enough time here participating that he knew just how to get at people, exactly how to push the buttons that they'd actually take seriously, instead of dismissing as trolling.

Anyway my point was that he wasn't overall a troll -- he was a participant who turned into a provocateur who eventually stepped over the line into actual trolling but then went away. He had a Troll Period.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

trollvulation

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Monday, 20 June 2005 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

nearly everyone who posts here for more than a year has a troll period.

― strng hlkngtn, Monday, 20 June 2005 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

I think I had a Cute Troll period, where I'd go onto Avril Lavigne threads and post "Well I like her because she is fun neener neener."

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

Obviously I was not good at this.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

not everyone gets paid to troll, jess!

xpost

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps the ilx is too large to troll really well. I mean have the Noize dudes met Noise Nick yet? It would take a serious trolling operation to really make trouble. Maybe.

― elwisty (elwisty), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

nearly everyone who posts here for more than a year has a troll period.

OTM.

― The Ghost of Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone remember a fellow from this winter called the Questionizer? He apparently has been posting for years under many different names and is presumably still here posting, perhaps on this very thread.

I have the same search problem as JW.

― k/l (Ken L), Monday, 20 June 2005 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

my troll era was awesome evil

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

would someone define nu-ilx to me? was this when we switched from greenspun to this server? kthnxbye

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

haha no it wz like week 3-5 of ilx even existing

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

funnier answer: blame hstencil

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

Nu-ILX = post noise board founding maybe!

So as far as ILX eras I see:

LUSENET -2002?
ILX 2002-
NOISE BOARD summer 2004-
fake ilx winter? 2004

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

ILXors that truly can be counted as old-ILX: Tom, Ned, mark s, Dan, Pete, pinefox, nabisco, jess, trife, Sterling Clover, Robin Carmody, Omar maybe, Gareth, Ally of course, one or two others. Basically anyone who postdates these is nu-ILX, the problem of course being that this includes dozens and dozens of people who've been posting here for very varied periods of time.

(i.e. "nu-ILX" is what happened as soon as the group what founded this place in the first place made contact with outsiders enough for them to be an identifiable group.)

(I think that the reason there's so much confusion about the term is that even very old posters who, upon coming here, were deemed "nu-ILX", always kept that in mind, somehow. I mean, I've been here since late 2001/early 2002, and certainly identify with nu-ILX, tho I know there's been plenty of new nu-ILXes after mine.)

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

Why, I remember the days when Nickalicious and Huk-L ('cept we called him Horace Mann in those days) were viewed as nu-ILX!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 20 June 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

jess is totally nu-ilx!! (i am borderline)

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

that's just weird to me, that i've been posting since 2001 but I am still nu-ilx. OH WELL.

― Homosexual II (Homosexual II), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

I suspect everyone's mental concept of nu-ILX = "when the next group of people after me started posting."

I don't think I'm "truly" old-ILX, Daniel, or at least not part of the original core -- I started during the summer of 2001, sometime after the creation of ILE. Post Fred Solinger, and such. Back when we used emoticons innocently and with affection in our hearts.

nu-ILX started for me when suddenly instead of polite conversations that trailed out into twenty-paragraph posts between me and Phil Masstransfer talking about something unnecessarily abstract, there were American boys dropping witty one-liners about how some band sucked. That's not meant to sound like a negative development, either, because in many ways it worked out nicely.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

nu-ILX = day i started posting in earnest

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

"in earnest"

what were you doing before then?

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

Your mom < / troll >

― Jimmy Mod Is Great At Getting Us Into Trouble (ModJ), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

what were you doing before then?

lurking a little and posting to ILM once a fortnight

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

nu-ILX = when I met JCM at the MCA, before he started posting here. Clearly at this moment ILX had begun to creep out into the fabric of the universe.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

nabisco, i think that was in june 2001 -- a/k/a the birth of ILE!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

But no avail, on ILM girls are still icky and not allowed in the tree house without a mudpie to the face, thanks to the Noize Boys, who think their power drill symphonies are so much more sophisticated than everyone else.

― #1 GARU G FAN (ex machina), Monday, 20 June 2005 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

Omigod, John, so that was before either of us posted to ILX! I wish I'd taken pictures that night -- I'll bet in every one of them I'd suddenly spot Pete Baran lurking behind a plant. All I remember about that night is running into you and Lisa, and then running into a bunch of friends who were on drugs and then offered me some and then disappeared.

― nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 20 June 2005 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

fwiw i never thought trife was a troll per se. i never met him IRL or even IMed the guy, so all I have to go on is his posts. Imagine for a sec reading his posts w/o any other insight into him besides knowing that he's white (or assuming, i guess. i figured a black person would have faced more overt, harmful, and consistent racism and therefore wouldn't need to make mountains outta molehills) and then tell me there's no basis in thinking trife was hyper self-conscious of being white and liking black culture.

― oops (Oops), Monday, 20 June 2005 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

― MV, Tuesday, 21 June 2005 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

OK, I'm *REALLY* offended here. I've been posting, pretty much continuously (except for a period of unemployment/homelessness in 2002) since before ILM split to ILE, and I'm not old-ILX? Fuck right off, newbie!

― Luminiferous Aether (kate), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

my poo is garu g

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

see what i did there?

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

N is old ILX

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

Is this a joke? Those oh-so-easily intimidated lurkers might be scared off for life now...

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

Heh, I got in before the ilm/ile split as well. There's also a fellow called Patrick who didn't get mentioned in that list, who was there when I started posting, and who still occasionally pops up (unless he posts all the time, only in threads I don't read, eh.)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

MY POO IS IN GARU G'S GRAN'S FANNEY

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

Kate, you're one of the one or two others. :)

xpost N

I really didn't want to offend anyone here! :(

The important part of my post was basically this:

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

i was a lurker around the time that ILE started

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

Kate shut up.

― The Original Jimmy Mod: Kind Warrior (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

mebbe I should've said "five or six others". :)

I am using an old-ILX approach to smileys. ;-)

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 26 August 2005 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

I think I celebrate my ILX five year birthday tomorrow, but I've never really had the sense of the ages of ILX (or ILM even). I sort of relate to other people's ideas of it - I understand what jess means when he says destroy nu-ILM - but it's always seemed really continuous to me. Blurry even.

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

old-ilx is lame

― ken c (ken c), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

old ilx = r0x0r!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

get bent

― roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

bite him

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

Old ILx

Five years! My brain hurts a lot.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

ha!

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Who is this, TROLLING on ilx, day one?

The new Sparks is out and all you crass indier than thou punks that think anything that's written by guys older than 30 aside from Stephin Merritt, who won't even be singing on that album or something, is automatically worth ignoring are already shown up as LAZY POSEURS by a band that has incorporated every musical twist, turn and trend of the past four decades fed through their own world view to create a series of albums that compact Western culture into a vice, destroy America while celebrating it and influenced everyone you love whether you know it or not.

Hang your head in shame, NED RAGGETT!!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Why did I ever quite that job? Sigh.

― Luminiferous Aether (kate), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

x-post ... well Ned, was saying the forum was "too polite" back then, wasn't he? ;-)

― Luminiferous Aether (kate), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

I like it when Ned is in-yer-face like that.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

come on FIVE YEARS!

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

That's like... a SEVENTH of my life I've wasted in this place!

― Luminiferous Aether (kate), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

I started a thread to commemorate over on ILM.

I am a little bit proud, however lame that may be!

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

Five years! My brain hurts a lot.

Bah, I was going to make that joke.

As it happens, my rant quoted above remains PERFECT AND RIGHT.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 August 2005 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

(As for the 'wasting time' bit -- you know, I see it this way: through ILX I've not only made many new friends, gone on trips and vacations I'd never thought to have done, had marvellous discussions and equally silly ones, but also actually advanced, however much in fits and starts, my writing career in a variety of ways. If that's a waste, then may we all be so lucky.)

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 26 August 2005 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

OK, so how do/does recent contender/s "esteban". "L@L" "new troll" and so on measure up against the ilx troll "classics", c-m*n and b*ck* l*c*s? Are they capable of kicking off month-long meta-flamefests (ok I exaggerate) and driving everybody up the wall forever, or are they just minor annoyances, the reply on a thread where you just think "pah, shithead", and scroll on, only noticeable when they cross the line into true offensiveness? Are they - and several other even less memorable no-name/log-out types - actually the same person, frantically logging in/out, switching proxies and conversing with themselves, or are they several different people? Are any of these "individuals" actually regulars, logging out & hitting proxy servers so no-body knows it's them? Why is the standard discourse of the hardcore interweb nuisance poster so tediously similar/identikit across the web? "stop censoring me yuo=nazi/i have offended the 'clique', that is why my posts are censored/i was only making people think obviously people here do not like to think, not like ME/obviously free speech is not appreciated here/my posts rock this forum" blah blah fucking blah (yawn). It's very boring.

I gave enough of a shit to type this in and hit "submit", but that's about as much of a shit as I will give.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

they aren't on my radar, compared to calum, or that one-eyed guy.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

I gave enough of a shit to type this in and hit "submit", but that's about as much of a shit as I will give.

thats an awful lot of words

too bad i couldnt be bothered reading them

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

never 'eard of any of them.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 20 October 2005 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

That one-eyed guy?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:02 (nineteen years ago)

the new bunch aren't particularly impressive

― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

you know, often refers to critical theory.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

Pashmina, I don't know why you had to bump this. "Trolls" ruin the enjoyment of ILx for everyone and that makes me very upset. With this, you are only encouraging them to ruin everyone's experience and make people upset. Which makes me really upset. And my Gywenny is not always around for me to hug when I get upset and cry. Will you think of me, Pashmina? Please?

― Chris "Chris" Martin, Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

I love u Esteban.

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

There was a pretty amazing TI... post on the Sbarro thread:

SBARRO IS GOOD. EAT AT SBARRO. SBARRO. EAT THERE. HAVED SOME FOOD. SPADGETTY. BIG BOWLS. SBARRO. FORK. KNIFE. MILKSHAKE DRINK. TASTES GOOD. NABKIN DISPENDER. HOT AIR BLOWER. COST MORE MDONILLDS. BETTER THEN MDONILLDS. COST MORE BURGER KING. BETTER THEN BURGER KING. SBARRO COST MORE DOLLARS AND BETTER THEN THOSED ONES. HAVED SPADGETTY. SBARRO. BIG BOWLS. SIT AT BOOTHS. WAIT FOR SPADGETTY. FORK AND KNIFE. HOT AIR BLOWER. THEY COST MORE. THEY ACT NICE. SBARRO PAY THEM. YOU PAY THEM. JUST USE MONEY. DISPENDER. HOT AIR BLOWER. GARLICK BRED. FORK AND KNIFE. BIG BOWL OF SPADGETTYS. TO GIVED THEM MONEY. EATING BOOTH. JUST PAY WITH MONEY. THEY DO THE REST. PARMAZING CHEEZE DISPENDER. TASTES GOOD. BETTER THAN MDONILIDS. HOT AIR BLOWER. GARLIC BRED ROLL. TASTES GOOD. WAIT FOR SPADGETTY. CHAIR FOR BABIES. USE DISPENDER. USE FORK. USE KNIFE. USE BOOTH. USE SBARRO. THEY DO THE REST.

-- TI... (TIM@KFC.EDU) (webmail), October 19th, 2005 2:16 PM. (later) (link)

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

"Chris "Chris" Martin" = "esteban buttez", fyi.

― teh fagtog, Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

god i could go a kfc right now

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

MIRRORS WITHIN MIRRORS

― this is sicilian medieval thuggery (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

Actually that Tim post is pretty good

― Matt (Matt), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

There was a pretty amazing

i think you mean PARMAZING

― astor riviera (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

"Chris "Chris" Martin" = "esteban buttez", fyi.

wjat tyhe fuck do you know that chtois martomn could never yttroll and fool uou nevause he is a sda cimy wjom mebet ised yjre drihs fuickl up o jope uou diclomh doe amd o a, jpoimh yp sjoppy oip mpw

― pete doherty, Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

TIM AT KFC.EDU

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

Who is the Troll-X of ilx?

― J CEWS, Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

trolls come in many forms, yo.
we're only talking about the blatantly obvious ones, i assume?

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

trolls are by definition obvious???

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Andrew NF outed my new troll identity on ILX :(

I guess I'll have to use http://tor.eff.org

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

um nope thats not what gkit said. i haven't noticed any obvious ones recently anyway. why did this thread get revived?

xpost

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

I was testing out the newly-fixed search function, and this thread came up in a search?

Jon it's nearly always obvious when it's you!

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

At last, the mountain is getting her!

― scirrp ridd, Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'll take this oppurtunity to let Mr Buttez know that I'm a huge fan of his work. He really stands out among the other more mediocre trolls.

― melton mowbray (adr), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

Jon it's nearly always obvious when it's you!

Well, I mostly log out to "troll" when I just don't want people to derail a thread into personal attacks on me.

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

roffle

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

The ironing is killing me.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, I was not expecting such a rash of irrational abuse for asking such a perfectly innocent question.

-- Paranoid Spice (masonicboo...) (webmail), October 20th, 2005 7:01 AM. (kate) (later) (link)

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

WELCOME TO ILX!

-- jw (SUCCUM...), October 20th, 2005 2:28 PM. (ex machina) (later)

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

― I do feel guilty for getting any perverse amusement out of it (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0780618556.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://diariodeumpintelhofo.no.sapo.pt/tom-and-jerry.jpg

― k/l (Ken L), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000064230.02.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

this is all a bit tired

― robblecopter (robbles), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

Just go with the flow, bro.

― jw (ex machina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

the new bunch aren't particularly impressive
-- Matt (Mat...), October 20th, 2005.

...said the doctors the day Matt was born.

― zing!, Thursday, 20 October 2005 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

crappest zing ever

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

yeah it was more like a pthft, really, wasn't it?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 20 October 2005 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

I'll take this oppurtunity to let Mr Buttez know that I'm a huge fan of his work. He really stands out among the other more mediocre trolls.

thank you! its feedback like that which makes the tough job of trolling all the more worthwile.

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Thursday, 20 October 2005 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I mostly log out to "troll" when I just don't want people to derail a thread into personal attacks on me.a

Hold on, I thought you said the difference between you and trolls is that you at least have the guts to put your name under your opinions? I find this a bit disappointing. :(

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

which is still more than can be said for certain tortured monkeys in ILx hell who have neither the guts to append their own name to their attacks or to mention the attackee by name.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Friday, 21 October 2005 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

Tuomas -- Let me see if I can find an example. I don't do this for personal attacks, but for being "controversial".

― jw (ex machina), Friday, 21 October 2005 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

which is still more than can be said for certain tortured monkeys in ILx hell who have neither the guts to append their own name to their attacks or to mention the attackee by name.

IT'S A TORY CONSPIRACY

― Carcello Marlin, Sunday, 13 November 2005 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

2/10. Very poor effort.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 13 November 2005 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

2/10. Very poor effort.

Heh, typical Torygraph scum.

― Carcello Marlin, Sunday, 13 November 2005 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, yeah, what the fuck ever.

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 13 November 2005 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, yeah, what the fuck ever.

Predictable.

― Carcello Marlin, Sunday, 13 November 2005 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck, man, you're the one who's actually taking time and going to the effort of using a proxy server to post this useless, lame, unfunny shit! Why?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 13 November 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Bcz they're bored but too thick to think of anything productive to say would be my guess.

― Raw Patrick (Raw Patrick), Sunday, 13 November 2005 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

I've been here, off and on, since 2001, am always logged in, have been to FAPs, etc, and yet I still get this "troll" thing (ie Henry here with the "one-eyed critical theory" stuff). Kate also called me a troll last week for congratulating her on her new Brighton house, but saying that personally I preferred renting in central areas. Really, it seems that this term (which goes back to the Pre-Cambrian age of Newsnet, when everyone online was either a Hobbit, a Trekkie or a Troll) just means "I don't agree with what you're saying, so you're not one of us".

The idea of "'trolls" relates to the idea of "hivemind". Ideally there would be pluralism, diversity, tolerance. There would even be interest in, and affection for, people who "think different". But where there's polarisation and mutual intolerance, difference is met with hostility. So the trolls sting and the hive swarms.

Sure, some posts demonstrate a provocative contempt for the majority. (And already you can just hear that weary Blair/Straw tone, "A few troublemakers are ruining it for the vast majority of sensible and orderly people...") But contempt for the majority isn't just found in "trolls", it's also seen in satires, maxims, essays and barbs by, oh you know, Oscar Wilde, Morrissey, Swift, Pope, D.H. Lawrence, Karl Marx, Flaubert in his "Dictionary of Received Ideas"... You know, if the ghost of any of those people came on here there would no doubt be Pythonesque scenes of gumbies and tranny gossips shouting at them to go back to where they came from. "A lot of French people round here today... ooh, yes, I saw that Jean-Paul Sartre trolling at the chip shop, just now, he woz, asking if the chips were free!"

That old blind troll Milton really had a point when he said that virtue can't be called virtue if it's never tempted. By the same token, tolerance isn't tolerance if you only tolerate things and people you already agree with.

― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 13 November 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

o momuz u card

― lal, Sunday, 13 November 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

― Momus (Momus), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Momus is so not a troll, or if he is, I wish all trolls could be like him.

― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Sunday, 13 November 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

The troll shit is a hilariously overused term and Momus really nailed it. I love how the first response to the Kim Gordon thinks Kurt Cobain thread was about feeding the troll. Ridiculous.

― I AM OTM, Sunday, 13 November 2005 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

people just confuse troll with idiot. easily done.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Sunday, 13 November 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

For an idiot, maybe.

― I AM OTM, Sunday, 13 November 2005 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

Give it up already. Your thread sucked.

― JUJUBEANCOBIAN (dr g), Sunday, 13 November 2005 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

Which thread was that?

― I AM OTM, Sunday, 13 November 2005 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

The Kim Gordon/Kurt Cobain one?

I didn't start that thread, dipshit.

― I AM OTM, Sunday, 13 November 2005 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, you did, Troll.

― JUJUBEANCOBIAN (dr g), Sunday, 13 November 2005 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

No, I didn't, dipshit. And now a troll too, I guess.

I did however make the thread 100x better by bringing the idea of UNCUT penis into the thread.

― I AM OTM, Sunday, 13 November 2005 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, dipshit, where'd ya go? I always love how losers totally drop out the instant they lose. At least concede and bow out like a man.

― I AM OTM, Sunday, 13 November 2005 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

haha you guyz lol

― di, Sunday, 13 November 2005 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

TROLL NOT OTM

― JUJUBEANCOBIAN (dr g), Sunday, 13 November 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

I AM OTM did get a couple of good digs in on that thread, like when blount said "eh" and OTM called him "Canadian"

― gear (gear), Sunday, 13 November 2005 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

or when Matos said "creep" and OTM called him "Wally"

― gear (gear), Sunday, 13 November 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Fucking high-grade wit from "otm" there, eh?

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

I always love how losers totally drop out the instant they lose. At least concede and bow out like a man.

― JUJUBEANCOBIAN (dr g), Sunday, 13 November 2005 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't lose. What are you talking about, dipshit? I achieved my goal of being annoying and I'm still right and you're still wrong. Win-win.

― I AM OTM, Sunday, 13 November 2005 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

tony jaa elbows people, in the thread

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Sunday, 13 November 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

i win,, you cunnts

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Sunday, 13 November 2005 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

"Creep" is almost as overused as "troll." So dorky.

― I AM OTM, Sunday, 13 November 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

bam!! v v v

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Sunday, 13 November 2005 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

that was three elbows to your head

look, i win again, it is so esy

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Sunday, 13 November 2005 22:50 (nineteen years ago)

My head remains un-elbowed, you fool.

― I AM OTM, Sunday, 13 November 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

bam!! v v v v bam >

you see i am in my element at the internet ,you might as well give it up girlboy

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Sunday, 13 November 2005 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

I am drinking peach tea and have not spilled a drop. Why? Because I have not been elbowed in the head.

― I AM OTM, Sunday, 13 November 2005 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

that is what you say but in real you are bleeding liuke the pig that you are :)

v v v bam bam°

i win :) i win :)

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Sunday, 13 November 2005 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nancyfarmer.net/dolls/images_photo/fn014_037web.jpg

― Le Marquis de Salade (noodle vague), Sunday, 13 November 2005 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

Is this actually battling trolls or just one idiot arguing with himself?

― Matt #2 (Matt #2), Monday, 14 November 2005 00:37 (nineteen years ago)

I don't want to know, that would ruin the magic.

― Le Marquis de Salade (noodle vague), Monday, 14 November 2005 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.tonyjaa.org/

― amon (eman), Monday, 14 November 2005 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know, might be battling creeps.

― I AM OTM, Monday, 14 November 2005 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.theoldcomputer.com/Libarary

― amon (eman), Monday, 14 November 2005 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

lol at

1) the psuedo-intellectualism

2) the witless "trolls"

ps momus is probably right but the thing is that

― ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!, Monday, 14 November 2005 07:29 (nineteen years ago)

Witless? I think not, creepy troll.

― I AM OTM, Monday, 14 November 2005 11:23 (nineteen years ago)

This discussion alone should answer Momus's question, about what's the difference between satire and trolling. For something to be understood as "satire", there are two prerequisites:

1) the satirist should be clear enough that what s/he's doing it satire, and
2) it should be funny.

Trolling usually lacks both of these qualities. Of course some cases are more ambiguous, but that's true with everything. However, it's usually rather easy to make the difference between a satirist and a troll (like with, say, Garu G and The (nu) Amazing Randy).

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 14 November 2005 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

are you still heer you boring

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Monday, 14 November 2005 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

> > >

look i knee kikced you in the belly three times .because you are stupid

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Monday, 14 November 2005 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

1) the satirist should be clear enough that what s/he's doing it satire, and
2) it should be funny.

Right, because

1) Everyone has the same level of intelligence
and
2) Everyone has the same sense of humor

― I AM OTM, Monday, 14 November 2005 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

> >

this is me kicking iamotm again. because she is slackjawed and i am superagressive

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Monday, 14 November 2005 12:05 (nineteen years ago)

No, but the satirist usually has some idea about that type of audience he's addressing; if few or none of them find him funny, or even realize it's a satire, then I'd say he's failed as a satirist. Garu G is a good example of a succesful ILE satirist, few have accused him of trolling.

(x-post)

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

Sometimes, people are just entertaining themselves. Sometimes, people are just entertaining new ideas and sometimes people are just being honest. None of these instances should be filed under "trolling" except, as Momus points out, in the case of hiveminder mentality, of which this board clearly is guilty.

― I AM OTM, Monday, 14 November 2005 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

^ ^ ^

now i hit tumas in the chin because she is boring too :)

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Monday, 14 November 2005 12:13 (nineteen years ago)

here is a picture of me kicking everyone with fire feet!

http://www.angelfire.com/hiphop3/justin_wmv/OngBak2.jpg

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Monday, 14 November 2005 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

i am super agressive, fire can not hurt me! but it hurts you with fire!

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Monday, 14 November 2005 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

i have style, this is why!

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Monday, 14 November 2005 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

Image hosted by Angelfire. Yay.

― I AM OTM, Monday, 14 November 2005 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

fire yes, i8 see you understand. now go away i give you the chance, before i must kick you again :)

― tony jaa elbows people in the head, Monday, 14 November 2005 12:33 (nineteen years ago)

Humour is not a prerequisite of satire:

sat·ire ( P ) Pronunciation Key (str)
n.

A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.
The branch of literature constituting such works. See Synonyms at caricature.
Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.

But humour is a prerequisite of bringing the motherfuckin lolz.

― Le Marquis de Salade (noodle vague), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

blah blah "hivemind" blah blah "hivemind" blah blah "hivemind" bl(nods off over computer keyboard)

― Pashmina (Pashmina), Monday, 14 November 2005 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

I am buying a Tony Jaa t-shirt after this thread

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Monday, 14 November 2005 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

blah blah "troll" blah blah "troll" blah blah "troll" bl(nods off over computer keyboard)

― Pashmina 2, Monday, 14 November 2005 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

mmmh π

― Pashmina 3.14159265, Monday, 14 November 2005 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

I am in awe of A Nairn's work here: Public School Newspaper Censorship late 2005 edition!

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 28 November 2005 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

A Nairn is not a troll.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Even though he's kind of an idiot and stubborn and is wrong about almost everything, I get sad when like 30 ILXors argue with him at the same time, every one of them insisting that he answer their trick questions and snide remarks, or dismiss him as just a troll, because he's one of the few ILXors who identifies himself with a specific religion and as a religious person, which I would hope could make for some interesting conversation. I feel like despite his faults, some of the people who trash him are doing so purely because they have this total anti-religion bias (see people bringing up European political/religious history on that thread right now for no reason), which is ultimately what makes every religion thread on ILX impossible to read. I don't have a problem with people arguing with or criticizing A Nairn, I just they could try and keep things civil, especially because I've never seen him lose his cool or call anyone names.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

Dammit, I wish Tep were still here. He knows more about how the latest "God doesn't want you fuckin' until you're like, married in a church n' shit" iteration came about, how it took some pretty involved Scriptural gymnastics to try to justify... Also, I've always wondered why folks concerned with this thought it sex after getting married in a civil/legal ceremony was okay.

-- kingfish hobo juckie (jdsalmo...), November 28th, 2005 1:32 PM. (kingfish 2.0) (later)

Nice "redneck religious type" patois there, kingfish.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

actually, i wasn't employing rednck patois there. I was going for a more sub-articulate/casual/surfer-dude thing.

Thus the additions of the "like" and the "n' shit" to go along with the dropped "g."

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Normally I agree with you n/a but not this time.

― Dan (Being Religious Doesn't Give You a Free Bullshit License) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

So you were invoking the well-known "highly religious right-wing surfer dude" archetype?

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, haven't you seen "Laguna Beach"?

― Dan (Jesus Christ Is, Like, Totally My Savior) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

No.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

(I am kidding with that last post, btw.)

― Dan (In Case That Was Ambiguous) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I didn't know because I haven't seen that show. I'm sure there are probably deeply religious right-wing surfers out there, but I didn't know there were enough for this to be a recognizable stereotype. I guess you learn something every day.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

Kingfish has a finger on the pulse of the Associated Press.

― dr. william idol (dr g), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

I am hangin' ten... FOR THE LORD!

― Dan (Thy God Is A Righteous And Tubular God) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

(see people bringing up European political/religious history on that thread right now for no reason),

hold on, hold on. I brought up the English Civil War directly in response to A Nairn's "founded as a Christain Nation" thing. I brought it up directly because(as Elmo said, too) so much Church/State thoughts were reaction to shit like that war.

So you were invoking the well-known "highly religious right-wing surfer dude" archetype?

no, just the voice i use for folks violently arguing an ignorant point. To be really pretentious about it, I'm trying to explicitly use an inarticulate, guttural, and uneducated phrasing to denote an ignorant/uneducation standpoint.

Same thing Trey & Matt do with the "'dey terk er jebs!" thing from the Goobacks ep of South Park last year, or what Chris Rock does a lot.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

Or like Ebonics, right?

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

You're an idiot.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

I get sad when like 30 ILXors argue with him at the same time

I hate being part of a gang of 30, n/a, but, to avoid this, do you propose that there be a single designated arguer? And who should this be?

― M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

"to denote an ignorant/uneducation standpoint"

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

I propose that people exercise a little self-control. We want an orgy, not a gang-bang.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

n/a, I think we're using slightly different definitions of troll. I don't think you need to be rude or insulting to be a troll, or even argue a point you don't believe in. You just need to know that your posts will be provocative, and enjoy watching the chaos that ensues just as you hoped it would, because it affirms your power to make things happen.

imho A Nairn seems very sincere, and also enjoys stirring things up even when it's a little off-topic. cf. a thread that was about heavy-handed school administration transformed by a single post into an everyone vs. A Nairn pile-on about sex ed and religion.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 28 November 2005 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

To be fair, A Nairn's intervention also supercharged the thread and has been really entertaining. So when I say I'm in awe of the work, I mean it.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

You just need to know that your posts will be provocative, and enjoy watching the chaos that ensues just as you hoped it would, because it affirms your power to make things happen.

This applies to everyone on ILX at some point or another. You are a troll for suggesting A Nairn on this thread. I am a troll for responding to you.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, do you really think that the previous 200 years of european history(pre-Enlightenment or not) had nothing to do with how our guys 200+ years ago wrote certain Founding documents?

also

because they have this total anti-religion bias

Dude, this is true only in a limited number of cases(see the Christian Conservatives thread). There's only a handful of folks who are totally overt about that(Alex, Ed, forks, Momus? and maybe a coupla others). I'm fuckin' Presbyterian, for chrissakes.

I even mentioned on one of the other threads. One of the problems about discussing religion in America, is we've had only one very small political faction being very vocal about their religion for the last 30 years(i.e. the Falwell/Robertson folks). And they went on about how their political beliefs are "biblically based"(yeah, if you only go by certain select bits of the Old Testament) and therefore "righteous & correct."

This has poisoned ANYone else talking about their particular take on God et al, since any mention of God gets associated with these folks. Now you get folks who don't have any particular church-leanings themselves begin to view any spoken discussion of religion as a Tool for the Rightwing, etc.

Jim Wallis has talked about this, too, when he mentions that we need a "Personal God, but not a Private one." Since without open discussions/exchanges of these things, one's Beliefs get stagnant, inbred, perverted, etc.

"to denote an ignorant/uneducation standpoint"

oh piss off.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

for what its worth i like nairn better than like 95% of ilx

xpost for example, kingfish

― oooh, Monday, 28 November 2005 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

You are a troll for suggesting A Nairn on this thread. I am a troll for responding to you.

Hug.

(Though I didn't actually think that nominating A Nairn would be controversial. I mean, dude be trollin'. Maybe should have been clearer about "good troll" vs. "bad troll.")

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

I propose that people exercise a little self-control. We want an orgy, not a gang-bang.

Can you give an example to go with that analogy?

― M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

That's an interesting position to take.

Personally I haven't got any problem with people arguing with Nairn, who is occupying a fairly ridiculous position. I'm not a huge fan of people just hurling abuse at him, though. It seems a trifle childish.
I think n/a's making a valid point here. There are many ilX0rs engaging with Nairn, and arguing effectively. But there's also a Christian=Moron bias which undermines the effectiveness of some of the points (I'm not a Christian myself, incidentally) by implying that the arguer is unprepared to listen before hurling their next bon mot at the poor sod.

oh, multiple xposts, it was an interesting position Rogermexico took, I thought

― Matt (Matt), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

bbbbbut kingfish keeps me from having to read slacktavist myself!

― 'you' vs. 'radio gnome invisible 3' FITE (ex machina), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

That's so uneducationed!

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

I propose that people exercise a little self-control. We want an orgy, not a gang-bang.

Can you give an example to go with that analogy?

-- M. V. (m...), November 28th, 2005 2:08 PM. (M.V.) (later)

How about your mom?

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

n/a i really just make fun of dude to amuse myself and, possibly, a lurking strongo

― oooh, Monday, 28 November 2005 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

kingfish, I generally agree with most of the body of your last post, I just don't get how implying that people who do have these conservative Christian views are total idiots helps anything at all, other than temporarily making you forget that have a tiny penis.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

that have?

― oooh, Monday, 28 November 2005 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

UH OH I MUST BE TURNING INTO A CHRISTIAN!

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

(ASSOCIATED PRESS)

― oooh, Monday, 28 November 2005 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

gad·fly
n.
1) A persistent irritating critic; a nuisance.
2) One that acts as a provocative stimulus; a goad.
3) A fly that lands on the sticky part of Nick's mom's ornate gad at an orgy or church service.

― M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

How did this thread get so much nastier than Everyone v. A Nairn Round 10?

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

WE STOPPED BEING POLITE AND STARTED BEING REAL.

― n/a (Nick A.), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

CAPS LOCK=REAL

― M. V. (M.V.), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

I just don't get how implying that people who do have these conservative Christian views are total idiots helps anything at all,

b/c i do it(sometimes badly, sometimes not as) in an attempt to show that there actually is a distinction between conservative folks & religious folks. That there are plenty of "spiritual progressive"/"religious liberals" out there, which is why I mention/link to guys like Slacktivist or Jim Wallis. Consider it my effort to counter the wisdom provided to us from the fine folks at Probe.org. If this all seems like common sense to you, good.

Is portraying them as subliterate/subverbal a helpful tactic? Not really, but it amuses me when I get bored at work.

Yes, the fact that I occasionally fuck up my verb tenses/word choice or do the Freudian error thing by dropping select words when I'm in a rush to dump everything into a post doesn't help. I'm fully aware of it, but we don't have an edit post function here, so fuggit.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

if you proofread your posts ahead of time that would decrease their volume

― oooh, Monday, 28 November 2005 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

It might, but I prefer my way to something like making several consecutive one-sentence posts.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 28 November 2005 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

The discussion upthread about how everyone goes through a troll period after a year or so on ILX is interesting. True of me too.

― moley, Monday, 28 November 2005 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

Tho I will say that I don't think Nairn is trolling.

― kingfish hobo juckie (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

how did i get dragged into this?

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

kicking and screaming?

― jim p. irrelevant (electricsound), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

ideally

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Monday, 28 November 2005 22:59 (nineteen years ago)

Did everyone else already realize that "A Nairn" is an anagram for NARNIA?!?!

― jaymc (jaymc), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

he's one of the few ILXors who identifies himself with a specific religion and as a religious person, which I would hope could make for some interesting conversation.

I would like to have interesting religious conversations, as I find religion interesting. Unfortunately, the undoubted sincerity of his beliefs notwithstanding, Mr. Nairn does not provide much grist or show much facility for interesting conversation. So you're stuck either ignoring him, making a few snide comments, or engaging him head-on, which inevitably leads to exasperated "YOU ARE SO STUPID" posts.

xpost: No. I wondered what the hell a nairn was.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002W2MK2.01-A23EWP2ON4BHG4._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Monday, 28 November 2005 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

nearest nairn'll ever get to his oats ... oh, never mind.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 00:34 (nineteen years ago)

can someone point me to a doomie "troll" post. i've only ever seen him as softpop lover, big-upper of friends

― jaxon (jaxon), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

― Mr Adolph bin Streisand (Mr_Adolph_bin_Streisand), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

why is this about me? Are we playing a game where the one with the most logical responses wins (most of us probably are). I am just trying to learn some things...

-- A Nairn (moreta...), November 29th, 2005 10:50 AM.

I rest my case.

― rogermexico (rogermexico), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

Can somebody explain me Dr. Morbius? Did this fiasco start with the "actually, blount" thread or do people actually hate him for real reasons?

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think it's even worth going there.

― Dan (Waste Of Space) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

It started with the Bright Eyes ILM thread....

― 'you' vs. 'radio gnome invisible 3' FITE (ex machina), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

No, it started cuz of ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

morbius makes no sense. all i know about him is he likes really crappy movies and gets his panties in a twist if you call him out on it.

― howell huser (chaki), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

No fair. He likes a lot of good movies, but in a crap way.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

'Kay, all I needed to know. Thanks.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

hahahahaha! music 'writers'!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema
ILXors who resented my pointing out their hideous taste in cinema

― oooh, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

(I tried to tell you!)

― Dan (Listen To Me Next Time) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

ban this fucker!

― howell huser (chaki), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

I tried to close off the discussion as soon as possible!

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

He's a fucking attention whore, people, it'd be better if we just stopped giving it to him altogether EXCEPT on the "actually, blount..." thread.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

ally that describes practically all of us

― strongo hulkington's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

i think hes funny

― oooh, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

"giving it to him altogether" is a pretty good summary of the "actually, blount" threa.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

You're more of a goddamned attention whore, jess.

xpost I think he's funny too! But really kind of like laughing at him funny rather than laughing with him funny, and if he's going to go all Orbit on everyone well do we really need another Atari Dick Riot?

Why am I answering my own questions.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

the new seinfeld dvd comes with a puffy shirt!

― howell huser (chaki), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Too bad Morbius isn't straight, he and Orbit would be perfect together.

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

C'mon, there's always room for an Atari Dick Riot.

― Amity Wong (noodle vague), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

chaki you lie!

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

http://216.157.142.224/Image/Products/500/NV2175715-52.jpg

― howell huser (chaki), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

:D
best news! kisses xoxo

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

orbit was funny too! she wrote a contract that made my dick shrivel, made a dinner that made my mouth water, and jumped hoops around all the lame supermodels i jack off to!!

― oooh, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

I think my tastes are beyond reproach, and then I think "Big Fucking Deal."

(Isn't that shirt really tiny or something?)

― M. V. (M.V.), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.loc.gov/law/public/images/magna-carta-th.jpg

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

she makes good heroin brownies.

― howell huser (chaki), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

one time, my marketing teacher, this was like 10 years ago, maybe 9, anyway he was jammering on about his old job managing Grant's department store and it was pretty ok, I mean interesting enough but I was not paying a lot of attention. So ANYWAY he suddenly busts out with this one time they did a promotion called "Jumping for Dollars" in which they lined up dollar bills in a straight line and made fat women leap. However many dollars they could jump, they got to keep, like a long jumping competition. He practically peed himself describing fat women bumrushing the jumping pit and clawing each other up, for like $5 each. That is the only thing I remember from business and marketing class.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

http://people.smu.edu/cziemins/photo/MATT/magna%20carta.jpg

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

dick now shrivelled

― oooh, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.starco.info/hotels/kairo/img/sheraton_royal_garden_dinner_gross.jpg

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

mouth watering

― oooh, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/148/138/640/gglobes04a026.jpg

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

Why am I answering my own questions.

Because you're Ally?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

p...wned?

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

If Ally answers her own questions
And Dr. Morbius just answered Ally's question,
then... !!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

...

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

nairnworthy logic there

― oooh, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

sub-kingfish at best, tracer.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

That would be a step up for me. I love how the marketing professor was probably trying to illustrate some point but just ends up making fun of these ladies making fools of themselves. "Anyway... uh, homework is due by Monday, have a good weekend!"

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

No, it wouldn't be a step up for you. Please don't stop being my hero, dude. Hey you comin to DC April 1 right?

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

If I show up in DC April 1st I'm going to arrive at your house and some motion sensor is going to activate a rope that pulls a board out from above the door and a 5-gallon can of green paint is going to spill all over me, isn't it?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

She's going to make you do the truffle shuffle.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:11 (nineteen years ago)

No, if you show up to DC April 1st I'll just make you my scapegoat in my plot to uh "feed crackers" to all the uh "animals in the zoo."

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

Tracer I thought I emailed you about this. Did I not?!?!?!?!?! FUCK.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

april ally -- no results found

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

haha nice email, tom

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

check it again. I promise I did it! Just now!

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

stop trolling

― dabnis coleman's ghost (dubplatestyle), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

I like how the first sentence of this thread is "My poo is Calum."

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

you are sending this to my fake gmail account, aren't you.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 29 November 2005 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

tuomas really is
http://www.sportsbar.net.au/images/ali22.jpg

― it's darn and ielle is hot (and what), Thursday, 26 February 2009 15:16 (sixteen years ago)

I'd honestly say he's overtaken C-Man and Momus by this point, yeah.

― Eerie, Indierocker (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Thursday, 26 February 2009 15:17 (sixteen years ago)

Depends what you mean by "great". No way is Tuomas as annoying as C-Man. Never really bothered reading Momus' stuff, life's too short etc.

― Queueing For Latchstrings (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 February 2009 15:27 (sixteen years ago)

ya but t-man's been playing the long game

― s1ocki, Thursday, 26 February 2009 15:28 (sixteen years ago)

definitely more of an impressive accomplishment

― s1ocki, Thursday, 26 February 2009 15:28 (sixteen years ago)

Yeah, comparing C-Man to Tuomas is like comparing Toto Schillaci to Pavel Nedved.

― Eerie, Indierocker (The stickman from the hilarious xkcd comics), Thursday, 26 February 2009 15:31 (sixteen years ago)

uh... ya.

― s1ocki, Thursday, 26 February 2009 15:33 (sixteen years ago)

Tuomas = Hongrosexuality

― Queueing For Latchstrings (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 February 2009 15:35 (sixteen years ago)

wow, great thread

― max, Thursday, 26 February 2009 15:44 (sixteen years ago)

nude spock is a better comparison point, but even with him there was a "fuck this" reflex that kicked in a lot sooner... t-bag is on some double agent gain their trust long-term shit that naan one of these inferior trolls ever attempted

― sippin margaritas on the beach in my adidas (and what), Thursday, 26 February 2009 15:44 (sixteen years ago)

You might be on to something there

― Queueing For Latchstrings (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 February 2009 15:46 (sixteen years ago)

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