Which ILXor has the biggest porn collection?

As donut e-go can confirm, I have a few hilarious 70s era Eurotrash porns taped off Cinemax etc. from their late night screenings in the early nineties. Plus, the musical live action porn Cinderella. All the actual hardcore sex was excised from all these, just leaving the plot. Ergo, pure hilarity.

The most fucked up of the Europorns is definitely Love Camp. It's a musical too and it's pretty indescribable. Filmed in beautiful Cyprus!

"GEEV UP YOUR SOUL TO AN EVERLASTING LOVE
LAAAAAAAHV LAAAAAAHV LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHV!"

YA WANTS NUMBAHS?

Fuck that! I have better things to do than to count files that say "fk_ass.mpg" on my puter!

30 1 In The Pink 1 In The Stink #5 2004
20 1 Night In China 2004
20 1 Night In Paris 2004
31 3 Black Dicks & A Spanish Chick #2 2003
47 5 Guy Cream Pie #16 2004
06 10 Man Cum Slam #4 2004
07 18 And Japanese #11 2004
42 Absolute Ass #3 2005
46 All You Can Eat 2005
10 Almost Jailbait 2004
33 Anal Addicts #15 2004
35 Anal Addicts #16 2004
00 Anal Authority 2005
18 Anal Delinquents #2 2004
11 Anal Expedition #2 2003
36 Anal Expedition #6 2005
37 Anal P.O.V. 2004
27 Anal Perversions #3 2004
29 Anal Retentive #6 2005
36 Anal Teen Tryouts 2003
17 Anal Teen Tryouts #6 2004
51 Anal Trainer #4 2003
41 Angels Of Debauchery #4 2005
00 Apple Bottomz 2005
26 Apprentass #2 2004
07 The Art Of Anal Group Sex 2004
22 The Art Of Ass 2004
22 Art School Sluts 2004
41 Asian Divas #5 2004
43 Asian Fever #22 2004
11 Ass 4 Ca$h 2004
00 Ass Angels #2 2004
43 Ass Cleavage #5 2004
13 Ass Crackin' 2004
42 Ass Crackin' #4 2004
14 Ass Cream Pies #2 2003
30 Ass Drippers 2004
23 Ass Pounders 2003
23 Ass Worship #2 2002
51 Ass Worship #5 2004
36 Assault That Ass #3 2003
27 Assed Out #2 2004
51 Asstronomical 2005
24 Asswhole 2005
15 Baby Doll First Timers 2004
00 Bad Ass Bitches #3 2004
06 Bada Bimbos #5 2004
09 Bald Beavers #4 2004
28 Balls Deep #3 2001
15 Banana Cream Pie 2003
06 Barely 18 #8 2004
17 Barely 18 #13 2004
08 Barely Legal #23 2002
00 Barely Legal Ski Camp 2004
22 Behind The Scenes With 20 Young Girls 2004
42 Bell Bottoms #3 2005
09 Best Of Alexis Amore 2004
50 Big Black Beef Stretches Little Pink Meat 2004
50 Big Black Beef Stretches Little Pink Meat #3 2005
24 Big Butt Smashdown #2 2005
00 Biggz And The Beauties #3 2003
23 Black Pipe Layers #4 2005
34 Black Poles Cumming In White Holes 2005
06 Booty Central #6 2004
32 Bottom Feeders 2000
35 Breakin' 'Em In #5 2004
40 Breakin' 'Em In #6 2004
27 Buttman's Anal Show #5 2004
03 Buttman's Bend Over Brazilian Babes #3 2001
46 Buttman's Butt Freak #3 2001
36 Camel Hoe's 2004
13 Carmen Goes to College 2002
34 Caution Your Azz Is In Danger #5 2002
14 Choke It Down 2004
14 Contract Star 2005
27 Crack Addict #2 2005
40 Crack Addict #3 2005
22 Craving Big Cocks #2 2004
35 Crema Latina 2004
10 Cum Drunk Whores #6 2004
19 Cum Fart Cocktails 2004
10 Cum Filled Asshole Overload 2004
37 Cum Filled Asshole Overload #2 2005
11 Cum Filled Pussy 2004
31 Cum Glazed 2004
31 Cum Glazed #2 2004
52 Cum In My Ass Not In My Mouth #3 2004
40 Cum Inside 2005
36 Cum On In 2005
44 Cum Swapping Sluts #6 2004
12 Deep Inside Chasey Lain 2003
00 Deep Trouble 2003
00 Double Anal Plugged #2 2004
52 Double Impact #3 2005
16 Double Stuffed #5 2005
48 Double Vag 2004
23 Dripping Wet Sex #3 2002
43 Drive Thru #3 2005
14 Elastic Assholes 2004
26 Elastic Assholes #2 2005
28 Fast Times At Deep Crack High #4 2001
30 Feeding Frenzy 2002
45 Feeling Black #2 2004
25 Feeling Black #4 2005
40 First Class Eurosluts #4 2005
30 Flesh Hunter 2002
39 Flesh Hunter #6 2003
05 Flesh Hunter #7 2004
29 Fuck My Ass N Make Me Cum #3 2004
44 Fuckdolls #3 2004
09 Fucking Assholes #3 2004
21 Full Loaded #2 2005
37 Gag Factor #17 2005
32 Gangsta Bang 2002
36 Girl Crazy #4 2005
00 Girlvert #3 2003
23 Goo 4 Two 2005
09 Gooey Buns #8 2004
33 Grand Theft Anal #6 2004
40 Grand Theft Anal #3 2004
07 Great British Orgy 2002
50 Gutter Mouths #31
45 Hot Ass Latinas #3 2005
31 I Wanna Get Face Fucked 2004
19 Initiations #1 1999
36 Innocence: Wild Child 2004
00 Intensitivity #4 2004
36 Internal Cumbustion #3 2003
14 I've Never Done That Before #8 2002
18 Jack's Playground #9 2004
13 Jack's Teen America Mission #1 2004
49 Jack's Teen America Mission #4 2004
16 Jailbait 2005
35 Just Over Eighteen #3 2002
00 Just Over Eighteen #9 2004
44 Just Over Eighteen #11 2005
29 KSEX Games 2004
23 Lewd Conduct #12 2002
19 Max Extreme #20 2002
17 Meat Pushin In The Seat Cushion 2003
00 Meet The Fuckers 2005
03 Missing And Exploited 2004
05 Mystified II: The Quest 2004
29 Naughty Little Nymphos #10 2004
12 New Releases 2004
51 No Cum Dodging Allowed #5 2005
39 Off The Rack 2005
17 One On One #4 2004
17 Open For Anal 2005
08 Over Her Head 2004
14 Pay To Play II: Anal Payoff 2004
34 A Perverted Point Of View #3 2001
18 A Perverted Point Of View #7 2005
52 Planet Silver 2005
28 Private Gold #66: Cadillac Highway 2004
13 Private Tropical #12: Sin Island 2004
28 Private Xtreme #15: Ass Games 2004
05 Race Relations 2004
41 Rocco Ravishes Ibiza 2005
25 Semen Demons #2 2005
23 Service Animals #13 2003
19 Sex Fiends 2004
26 Share The Load #2 2004
35 She Takes Two 2004
21 Slant Eye For The Straight Guy 2005
07 Slanted Holes 2004
00 Small Sluts Nice Butts #2 2005
04 Specs Appeal #3 2002
04 Specs Appeal #8 2003
16 Spent 2004
24 Sport Fucking #3 2004
38 Sport Fucking #4 2005
35 Spread Your Legs 2004
20 Squirting 101 2004
48 Squirting Adventures Of Dr. G 2002
15 Squirtwoman 2004
15 Squirtwoman #2 2004
34 Straight A Student 2004
30 Straight To The A 2002
12 Suck Fuck Swallow 2005
41 Swallow My Squirt 2005
32 Swap The Pop #2 2004
19 Take It Black 2004
25 Take No Prisoners 2005
33 A Taste Of The Orient #2 2004
13 Taste That Ass 2004
00 Teagan: All American Girl 2005
41 Teagan: Erotique 2005
00 Tear Me A New One 2005
12 Teen Cum Squad 2004
26 Teen Cum Squad #2 2005
46 Teen Cum Squad #3 2005
41 Teen Gushers 2004
34 Teen Spirit 2002
18 Teenage Spermaholics #3 2005
38 Teens Revealed #5 2005
32 Teens With Tits #2 2004
00 Throat Yogurt #2 2004
08 Truly Nice Ass #7 2004
14 Ultimate Asses #4 2004
33 Ultimate DP Gangbang 2004
21 Un-Natural Sex #13 2004
38 Un-Natural Sex #14 2005
42 Up'R Class #2 2005
30 Up Your Ass #23 2005
00 Weapons Of Ass Destruction #2 2003
17 Welcome To The Valley #3 2004
32 White Chicks Gettin Black Balled #6 2004
08 White Up My Ass 2004
46 Whores 2005
31 Who's Your Daddy? 2003
36 Who's Your Daddy? #4 2004
45 Who's Your Daddy? #6 2005
19 Young & Cumming 2003
00 Young As They Cum #11 2003
03 Young As They Cum #15 2004
48 Young Cream Pies #2 2001
47 Young Ripe Mellons #2 2003
20 Young Ripe Mellons #3 2003
39 Young Ripe Mellons #7 2005
47 Young Tight Latinas #4 2003
03 Young Tight Latinas #5 2004
45 Your Mass In My Ass 2005

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(NEVER underestimate the prowess of the probiscis monkey in full color print!)

How's the soundtrack?

I have a nice little stash of lesbian porn pics on one of my pcs. So there.

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-- milozauckerman (wooderso...), June 24th, 2005 12:02 AM.

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"oooooh, oh, oh, ooohhhhhhhh, yeah, ooohh"

i would, but i have to sit around collecting turkish union dues.

forgot to add a snare rush.

so could we have a month-long moratorium on "orbit works out her personal issues by constantly playing the sexist/weight-ist/whatever-ist card"? please?

I mean, through Google Images, rather than through p2p.

http://www.istrianet.org/istria/crafts&trades/saltpans/images/mud-facial1-350.jpg

http://www.americanphoto.co.jp/photosearch/Previews/CIN91281_111.jpg

I mean, maybe. But I use specific search terms based on my tastes. Of course, some of it is mistagged, but that's why you select Preview to check on it first, and then, if you're satisfied, you happily wait while it downloads.

Arty pictures of pretty girls are nice. Are you a met-art.com kinda guy, Kenan?

i always have a couple files floating around, but they only work once i find. and then i feel like a degenerate for having them and shitcan them all. aaand then later i go get more. it's a cycle.

Yeah, I can relate. I don't think I have anything more than nine months old, and there's always the possibility that I'll delete them all at once if I'm feeling weird about it. (Or if, say, I start dating someone.) As for only working once, that's probably true of 95% of what I have, but there are a few files I will go back to (generally Lightspeed).

What I meant by this was that nine months ago, I deleted everything I had and started anew.

Exactly. And Peter Hegre. He has his own folder.

Really, I'm a sucker for any photo with good lighting. There's nothing worse than a close up of someone's razor burn lit with what seems to be a naked mercury vapor bulb.

Yeah, there is an ick factor there. I guess that's part of my preference for photos. You can imagine that it's a dancer making cash on the side with a professional photographer, instead of a doped-up runaway.

Yeah, he's a rock star. His pictures of men are just as good.

OTM

The sybian is a wonderful invention.

jody otm. as soon as i sense that there's something manufactured about it, i lose interest.

actually, i'm not sure "manufactured" is even the right word. one of my favorite videos is essentially a striptease with two women, under the guise that they're working out and getting so hot they need to undress. but whereas a more professional porn would be deadly serious about this, you can tell in this video that the women are conscious of the conceit and are kind of laughing about it. they're also just being themselves. that's pretty sexy to me.

Well, it's not so much the equipment as it is the girl and the photographer. A good photo has personality. Personality is what I look for most, if that makes any sense. A girl who seems to have something going on with her besides just being naked.

Alternated, a girl getting off until she begs for mercy.

what exactly does "inter-racist" mean? and no offense but who cares what you like? there's already been a thread on that.

It was a play on the the word interracial. And yeah, you're right. I talk too much.

attractive, decent lighting, enjoyable, 'not making me feel like a sadistic freak' marks

You know what? You can go to freecartoonsex.com, you can look at all the fucked up manga/wonder woman/flintstones gang-boinking you want, and it's OHHHH-KAYYYY, because some bored-ass sorta bent fucker drew it and colored it in with Painter, there's no REAL PEOPLE involved.

Except oh wait just the IDEA of some of the stuff that goes on in about half-to-75% of those comics is pretty much verging on the criminal and deranged, so it's still FUCKED UP, why would anybody draw that? Why would anybody want to look at it? Oh God what am I doing looking at this?

Maybe the live-action stuff isn't so bad. Nobody's holding a gun to their head. You know, hey, women should be allowed to strip and be in porn if they want to, that's choice, that's feminism, right? This girl is probably making a lot of money. She chose to be there, having sex with all those dudes. She's cool with it, it's all basically acting.

I don't like it when the acting implies some kind of coercion, though, this isn't cool. You just know this is going to inspire some 16 year old to rape somebody. What the fuck is going on here? Why don't they just fess up that it's all fake? Jesus I'm tired of the word slut. These are all so rote, is it just assumed every hetero male only has one of three fantasies?

Better yet just quit altogether, cold turkey, no more porn. I'll stop wasting time on this and just go do something else. I'll feel healthier and stop worrying about how fucked up people are. Of course twelve hours later when you've got nothing else to do you're right back at it, surfing the tits parade, vicariously loading some girl's face with semen, and congratulations, you're a victim too.

I'll apologize belatedly for my 1.5-person perspective rant above since I know well enough the topic's been covered here thoroughly in about fifty other threads.

Kind of like exactly what you're doing right now? Would it be easier for you if we sat around like bubbleheads with giant smiles when confronted with a list that cuts women down to holes that need filling? HAHA, OMG LOL TEAR ME A NEW ONE ROFFLE.

Feel better now?

If somebody wants to point out that "brian braindead" is alienating himself from society at large by collecting a bunch of horrid-sounding garbage she's perfectly right, I mean I've had friends who had huge porn collections but I've never had friends with huge porn collections who I didn't also worry about a little bit, and who weren't talked about behind their back as being shut-in weirdos with disturbing proclivities. It's no different from having a bad drug or booze habit, if someone came along and listed all the drinks they've had in the past week and it was similarly excessive I doubt folks would get so quickly on the defense (though there was that thread where somebody called ILX a bunch of alcoholics and we did kinda flip out, er)

I read this phrase and the first thing that popped into my mind was the word "GLOCK".

This sounds like one of the fake movies from Sullivan's Travels.

I've had friends who had huge porn collections but I've never had friends with huge porn collections who I didn't also worry about a little bit, and who weren't talked about behind their back as being shut-in weirdos with disturbing proclivities

I feel this is right and proper.

haha TOTALLY

That being said, all my p()rn is on VHS. I have this one bizarrely-titled "All Little Women #3" (I guess the women in it are all short or something?) that has an even more bizarre scene which I think is supposed to be set in Poe's The Masque Of The Red Death or something. Then there's like 5 Vivid Videos ones with all-female casts, and another that's completely unlabeled, which has the uniting theme throughout all the encounters of occurring in gardens or something. My ex girlfriend gave me all of these, because she thought it was weird that I didn't have any p()rn of any sort.

I don't own any porn! Though at one point a few years ago there was this mysterious porn VHS floating around my apartment that none of my sometimes-roommates or friends would own up to having brought over! I don't remember what it was called but it seemed pretty standard from the box. Also, someone (I do know who this someone was but I will not name names) left a copy of some magazine, maybe it was called something like Club, I dunno, anyway it advertised on the cover something along the lines of "Jenna Jameson sucks robot cock!" on the cover and there was a lot of roffles to be had over this, we weren't really sure why it was meant to be hot (she wasn't naked while doing it). But I threw these all out.

not that anyone really cares but 90% of that list is no script bush league handicam strip and hump stuff not the porn groove slow mo soft lit fake tit big league w/story shit. i follow the girls i like - katja kassin, katsumi, ellen saint, brooke milano, keri sable, cashmere, jasmine byrne, daisy, cytherea, janet alfano, liliane tiger, katin, ashley blue, jayna oso, roxy jezel, jenna haze (until she got a bf and a contract and went lez-only), teagan presley (though she's got new boobs now to go with her major league contract and i've about lost interest), blah blah blah - and i basically like them cuz they're fresh looking, funny, and shamelessly do all sorts of nasty things. they're not doped out runaways raped on film or whatever and just cuz i jack off to a girl willingly taking two cocks in her ass for money doesn't mean i hate women. and even if i did hate women, i'm only hating them for like ten or fifteen minutes at a time! IN FACT all of those movies are pirated so in a sense i'm HELPING BRING DOWN THE EVIL EMPIRE! well i'm not subsidizing it anyway. and honestly, i'm a g3ntl3 l0v3r AND as an ilurxor, won't be attending any future faps or anything so nobody has to worry about standing with their butts to the wall lest i ravish them.

but yeah, i rarely have anything useful to contribute to ilx (not that this was particularly useful) and prefer reading the lot of you interact anyhow - i won't be coming out as a nu-c*ll*m or b3cky luc4s, etc. carry on!

oh and It's no different from having a bad drug or booze habit, if someone came along and listed all the drinks they've had in the past week and it was similarly excessive I doubt folks would get so quickly on the defense

fwiw i didn't watch all those porns in the last week ha ha and some of those titles are pretty funny

Haha, that reminds me of an issue of Penthouse a friend of mine had a few years ago. The spread was this weird insect fantasy with the model fucking these huge wooden grasshoppers. One of the pictures was a clothed woman sucking off a wooden insect penis and I still can't figure out who that was meant to arouse.

I know exactly one person for whom this seems like it was specifically made.

http://www.sensesofcinema.com/images/directors/03/24/robo.jpg
"My name is Murphy"

Is this, like, dudes fucking their chairs?

36 Anal Teen Tryouts 2003
17 Anal Teen Tryouts #6 2004
10 Almost Jailbait 2004
15 Baby Doll First Timers 2004
06 Barely 18 #8 2004
17 Barely 18 #13 2004
08 Barely Legal #23 2002
00 Barely Legal Ski Camp 2004
22 Behind The Scenes With 20 Young Girls 2004
35 Breakin' 'Em In #5 2004
40 Breakin' 'Em In #6 2004
36 Innocence: Wild Child 2004
14 I've Never Done That Before #8 2002
18 Jack's Playground #9 2004
13 Jack's Teen America Mission #1 2004
49 Jack's Teen America Mission #4 2004
16 Jailbait 2005
35 Just Over Eighteen #3 2002
00 Just Over Eighteen #9 2004
44 Just Over Eighteen #11 2005
03 Missing And Exploited 2004
12 Teen Cum Squad 2004
26 Teen Cum Squad #2 2005
46 Teen Cum Squad #3 2005
41 Teen Gushers 2004
34 Teen Spirit 2002
18 Teenage Spermaholics #3 2005
38 Teens Revealed #5 2005
32 Teens With Tits #2 2004
31 Who's Your Daddy? 2003
36 Who's Your Daddy? #4 2004
45 Who's Your Daddy? #6 2005
19 Young & Cumming 2003
00 Young As They Cum #11 2003
03 Young As They Cum #15 2004
48 Young Cream Pies #2 2001
47 Young Ripe Mellons #2 2003
20 Young Ripe Mellons #3 2003
39 Young Ripe Mellons #7 2005
47 Young Tight Latinas #4 2003
03 Young Tight Latinas #5 2004

You're crazy. Porno companies have to keep records on every star, and every film actually refers to where those records can be accessed by anyone who's interested. Fact is, most of those "teenagers" are probably closer to 28 than 18.

xpost

so if you're not making that assumption, then what is so wrong with it?

I don't think anyone is arguing that porno stars aren't completely fucked in the head: they are. They're having sex for money on camera, sometimes to lots and lots of guys/girls/anything. Whether or not that can be shut out of your mind when you watch it is pretty vital to whether or not you'll enjoy porno.

What about videos that promise old women getting fucked? How is any of this than the fact that porno guarantees watching people getting fucked?

Because the insurance policy was taken out on the ski lift before the maintenance forms were processed!

Though the funniest thing I've noticed is that Girls Gone Wild offers a 30-day money back guarantee "if you are not satisfied for any reason" which seems to be begging for abuse.

xpost facetiousness is becoming on no-one.

Starring an overweight Samoan and a pair of salad tongs!

Actually, I do not care to know what this smells like.

I don't find a difference. I've unapologetically visited adult bookstores and looked at porno on websites. I've even, :gasp:, gone to strip clubs.

Now buying a hooker? That's different. Haha.

Haha, an ex-roomate of mine signed up thinking he'd cancel but they make it IMPOSSIBLE (he's also pretty stupid). Every month a new video would come and he would swear he was gonna cancel his bank account.

The odds in Vegas casinos are stacked! In favor of the house!!

(I seem to have a lot of "friends" with porn stories!)

xpost basically kind of the situation what Col1n just said.

Not all those women have been in the industry for many years either. In fact, there's been a push by companies to find older talent thanks to the success of various "MILF" themed sites online. Still, you have to expect that the industry is going to push for younger talent (girls 35 and under) because that's what sells to most of the mainstream porn viewers.

>Young girls are pretty goddamn naive. They think they get to fuck for $$ and live it up rah rah rah. But it IS damaging. Read Jenna's book -- she talks about that more than once.<

Well, yeah. The list of dead porno stars is unimaginably wrong. And turnover is quite frequent: I remember hearing that the average porn starlet only does 6 films in a career. But its PORNO. Everyone knows what the deal is. Its not my fault that some people don't know until its "too late" just as it isn't my fault that some idiot is pushing heroin into their veins right now. Besides; if you're 21-25 and you want to watch girls your age in porno (what a giant leap that is), what's wrong with actively searching for that?

xpost

xpost like i said, thinking there's something wrong with someone who likes that subgenre is assuming the worst.

Saying that MILF sites exist is no excuse for this, the fact of the matter is that porn's advertising and marketing is all really fucking awful and more and more it seems to try and EMPHASIZE how exploitative and debasing it all is.

At least liquor ads tell you to fucking drink responsibly. It'd be one thing if they had a little label in the corner of the box that said "You know what your mother would think."

Depends on what kind of person you are, I guess. I've never had that difficulty. Perhaps it would if you tried to put some sort of emotional stake in the actress or film, but I can't see how it would matter otherwise.

Saying that MILF sites exist is no excuse for this, the fact of the matter is that porn's advertising and marketing is all really fucking awful and more and more it seems to try and EMPHASIZE how exploitative and debasing it all is.<

If you don't want to watch people getting fucked, don't watch porno. That's what porno is. It should stop trying to pretend that its an "artform" or whatever and just be honest with itself. That's why I'd rather watch a Elegant Angel or Anabolic vid than a Vivid anyday. No pretension; here's girls, and they're having sex. Take it or leave it.

>At least liquor ads tell you to fucking drink responsibly. It'd be one thing if they had a little label in the corner of the box that said "You know what your mother would think."<

What is a porno box going to say? "Please Masturbate Responsibly. And Don't Bust A Nut On Your Girlfriend's Face"?

The fact that women are human beings and not semen recepticles is the first thing that springs to my mind. But generally, porn discourages such thinking.

Well, yeah. No one wants to watch some girl who's slurring her words and falling over. I also don't have the time to go online and read porno gossip to find out who's a cokehead and who isn't (though its likely everyone is, just like 10 or 20 years ago). So if they aren't, I don't care. Like I said, there's no real emotional stake in it.

This has utterly nothing to do with barely legal type porn and why I tried to point out that, while there is a creepy undercurrent of not legal subgenre, it's really not particularly bad in comparison to a lot of shit out there.

I agree with this entirely. If the girl isn't smiling or having a good time, I press the fast forward button/cancel download button.

Exactly. I have a real girlfriend who I actually care about. If something happens to her, I feel sympathetic. A person that I've seen on tape getting railed by a couple guys dying of cocaine overdose or liver failure? I didn't know them as a person in any way shape or form (other than watching them have sex for 15 minutes), so it doesn't really connect with me. No different than a lot of folks in the music, theater, or film industry.

playing devil's advocate, to a degree, here.

xxpost

Haha! Its true! Some porno is better for a laugh than it is for actually getting off to. Some of the "big features" that Wicked and Vivid definitely fall under that with hokey stories and hilarious special effects.

-- LeCoq (leiffe...), February 25th, 2005.

All that being said, and with respect to Ally for excellent points, I think for a lot of older men with less-than-satisfactory sex lives the fantasy of a come-guzzling cheerleader (barely! legal!) takes on some emotional significance that isn't nearly as creepy as it's widely perceived. Teenager-sex (and its depiction in situations where all parties are clearly willing, of age, and able) is one of those nostalgic notions that seems to grow more profound as one gets older.

The promise of young flesh! and unbridled passion! and wild times! has a basically universal appeal. And if reinforcing the notion of its illegality by thumping up against 18 U.S.C. Section 2257 is a turn on, so what? That's not really perverted, it's like horniness for the halcyon-days.

The sales clerk looked in the database to see where it was, and she said "it's in the gay section in the back," so I went and didn't find it under the little gay cinema sign.

I went to the clerk and told her that it wasn't there, and she chided me for looking in the wrong place. She took me to the BACK gay section (not queer mainstream cinema, this, but blue stuff like 'Sphincter Soldiers' and 'Thai Cum Festival' and she put the video in my hand. It wasn't 'Fucking Amal,' but 'Fucking Them All' and it had a photocopied cover of a man in a dinner jacket standing in front of a party of other beefcake men, all wearing smoking jackets and / or tuxes. I got really embarrassed, and explained that what I was looking for was a little movie about Swedish girls falling in love. She speared me with a gaze, and told me that she wasn't sure they stocked anything like that.

I didn't go back for like two week.

that's about it.

http://www.improvisation.ws/mb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=4475

Glossiness, meanness, the "despoiling innocence" setup, how-far-can-we-push-you power dynamics, and fake tits all turn me way, way off, which means there isn't a whole lot of porn I like. And when I find something I do like, I don't feel the urge to keep it around. God knows I collect enough stuff.

2. i wanna know what's so objectionable about suicidegirls. a lot of it is just nice nude modeling.

uh:
(a) my criticism wasn't of "womankind" ("we") but of orbit herself (which is one of her main rhetorical tricks by the way, to make any attack on her an attack on ALL WOMEN) (if you doubt me look at that list of links chaki posted on ILM),
(b) i said the list was gross, and
(c) there's a world of room between orbit's "sexist pigs" and yr idea of bubbleheadery. example: "looking at that list makes me feel like crap" or even "dude, how can you watch shit with titles like that? it makes the women sound like they're etc".

see why that's better? starting a conversation, even an angry one, instead of a one-liner that calls someone a piece of shit? i'd have done the same for orbit, had she not burned that bridge preemptively.

also: many, many, many men are most attracted to women between the ages of 16-24. (i want to say "most men", i believe it's true.....but i can't back that up.) it is their faces, their bodies, that turn those men on the most. it has ever been and will always be thus; it wouldn't surprise me if there's a biological basis for it. and no amount of handwringing and namecalling will ever change that.

that said i agree that "the whole implication of violating or "breaking in" young flesh" is creepy, sure. (though it's also in the way it's put: who isn't turned on by the idea of giving someone pleasure for the first time? so, a rose by any other name? well, not really.)

it pisses me off, too, that in these conversations no one ever talks about the consumers of porn in any kind of compassionate way. for every stockbroker or sales rep who ignores his wife in favor of a whack-off night with "anal adventures #37", there's a janitor who turns to porn because no one has ever said "yes" to him. in the middle of all the anti-porn, anti-sex work, anti etc. rhetoric, i'm still waiting for someone to explain what the people who are ugly/lonely/broke/shy are supposed to do with their sexuality. masturbating isn't very much fun when you have no hope; porn is an escape, helping you pretend for a moment that someone beautiful might want you, someday.

(of course it's also a trap, as tom pointed out.)

"A man wants to be a woman's first love; a woman wants to be a man's last romance." -- Oscar Wilde. I think that's overly broad but it sprang to mind.

I have been with one virgin and it's not really my style. I prefer a woman who knows what she wants, but I can understand the attraction someone might have for a person who was a tabula rasa sexually speaking.

Its very boring. Besides, I prefer women without lots of metal and ink.

-- Orbit (cstarrcstar...), June 25th, 2005 11:10 PM. (Orbit)

I agree. Stay on topic people!!!

Which ILXor has the biggest porn collection?

"The story is ludicrous. Lord. You can imagine where it goes from here."

ice is frozen water!

-- Orbit (cstarrcstar...), June 24th, 2005. (later)

The view from here is that you attempted to derail the conversation with a series of one-line zingers, and logged-out responded in kind, which is neither winning nor losing. The only competition taking place here is inside the confines of your own mind. And I'm not interested in discussing this any further, 'cause the thread's already been derailed.

xpost: Can we confirm whether or not Suicide Girls get paid?

The laborious screening process for new models also helps to weed out the girls who are interested in posing nude for the wrong reasons, such as money (the SuicideGirls are paid nicely for their photo sessions, $200 per hour to be exact) or to get back at their ex-boyfriends.

WEDNESDAY JUNE 04 2003 2:05 PM

oh dear. It's cold here, yesterday it even rained a bit. I still haven't got paid for my sets, but I was warned by X suicide girls that they sort of fuck you over like that.

(Maybe this has changed in the last two years?)

-- Orbit (cstarrcstar...), June 25th, 2005. (later)

2 entries found for ad hominem.

ad hom·i·nem     P   Pronunciation Key  (hm-nm, -nm)
adj.
Appealing to personal considerations rather than to logic or reason: Debaters should avoid ad hominem arguments that question their opponents' motives.

[Latin  : ad, to + hominem, accusative of hom, man.]
ad homi·nem adv.
Usage Note: As the principal meaning of the preposition ad suggests, the homo of ad hominem was originally the person to whom an argument was addressed, not its subject. The phrase denoted an argument designed to appeal to the listener's emotions rather than to reason, as in the sentence The Republicans' evocation of pity for the small farmer struggling to maintain his property is a purely ad hominem argument for reducing inheritance taxes. This usage appears to be waning; only 37 percent of the Usage Panel finds this sentence acceptable. The phrase now chiefly describes an argument based on the failings of an adversary rather than on the merits of the case: Ad hominem attacks on one's opponent are a tried-and-true strategy for people who have a case that is weak. Ninety percent of the Panel finds this sentence acceptable. The expression now also has a looser use in referring to any personal attack, whether or not it is part of an argument, as in It isn't in the best interests of the nation for the press to attack him in this personal, ad hominem way. This use is acceptable to 65 percent of the Panel. ·Ad hominem has also recently acquired a use as a noun denoting personal attacks, as in “Notwithstanding all the ad hominem, Gingrich insists that he and Panetta can work together” (Washington Post). This usage may raise some eyebrows, though it appears to be gaining ground in journalistic style. ·A modern coinage patterned on ad hominem is ad feminam, as in “Its treatment of Nabokov and its ad feminam attack on his wife Vera often border on character assassination” (Simon Karlinsky). Though some would argue that this neologism is unnecessary because the Latin word homo refers to humans generically, rather than to the male sex, in some contexts ad feminam has a more specific meaning than ad hominem, being used to describe attacks on women as women or because they are women, as in “Their recourse... to ad feminam attacks evidences the chilly climate for women's leadership on campus” (Donna M. Riley).

the phrasing of stuff, like banging etc, seems to follow as well. things are done 'to' the girl, not 'with' the girl. so perhaps its an undercurrent of power dynamics also. for all the arguments about 'its just people having sex', its not actually presented that way at all is it?

i think you're right to say there's a fair amount of this in online porn, but i'm not interested in much of it.

My theory: Novelty is obviously important here, but I also think some of this emerges from a distorted version of performance-anxiety. A suspicion that the sex is routine and effortless with veteran pornstars. Oral sex as uninvolved and thoughtless as chewing on the end of a pencil.

So a kind of porn develops whose purpose is to ensure that the sex must have some effect on the girls. From the mainstream emphasis on anal and multiple penetration to the more extreme depictions of coercion and violent humiliation.

This is depressing, but this kind of porn's popularity doesn't necessarily imply that its consumers are uniformly sadists/misogynists. I really think that if it were possible to visibly prove that a woman was having a real orgasm then there wouldn't be so much of this stuff, and more porn would be devoted to women demonstrably in pleasure. But it's not (usually) possible, so the only way to effect clear unfakable emotion is the reverse of pleasure.

let me assure you, he does not have the time.

a lot of the points made here are really valid, but I can't really go along with the conclusions drawn from them. it's pretty much undisputable that any girls getting into porn are doing so as a result of a history of trauma/abuse/neglect etc., and the ones on the younger end of the spectrum are particularly easy targets for exploitation. and the constant oneupsmanship within the industry, the kind that results in (as has been pointed out) a web market where sites trafficking in human misery FLOURISH, is unsettling to say the least.

but, y'know what? I'm a 19-year old guy. I need to masturbate CONSTANTLY. If my mom died today, I would be stroking it within hours of hearing the news. were you to open the door to my bedroom, you would probably be washed into the street by a tidal wave of semen. I guess what I'm leading up to is the old canard about how porn will always be around and there's nothing to be done about it, which adds pretty much nothing to the discussion. and, y'know, maybe one day when I'm like 30 and my testosterone levels start to drop I won't really need ("need") porn. in the meantime, when I start to feel weird about what is (at a base level) exulting in human wreckage, I just kind of have to brush it off. it's comparable to the Nikes I wear - I'm ok with a few lobster-clawed mofos in ho chi minh city as long as things don't cost triple or more because of increased production costs. it sucks for them, but guess what nikka? LIFE MOVES FAST!

(ps. i'm gonna go jerk it to some horrific japanese roricon/guro anime shit now)

(pps. 146 gigabytes, seriously)

(ppps. http://www.itsawrap2.com/itsawrap2.jpg)

Doesn't happen.

This is a good point. And actually, one of the things that depresses me most about the porn that I have and "use" is that before I had fast and easy Internet access at home, I was pretty imaginative while masturbating! Sometimes I even wrote stories! I wish I did that more.

This is something I was talking about the other day! Not on ILX, in real life (oh no!). That, I mean, before everyone had the internet, I mean people still masturbated. Maybe even a LOT! And, I mean, every single one of us knew that one kid who's dad had a ginormous porn collection, but it was only the one kid, it wasn't everyone's dad. It wasn't like everyone you knew somehow scammed out thousands of Playboys and Hustlers, or everyone had this super easy access to porn. Yet I bet they still masturbated. And like people on thread over, say, 25 (younger than that too large of a chance of internet access while teenager so don't bother answering this), I mean what did YOU do?

Seriously, I blame the internet. For everything.

you're right, nobody really said that. I just felt defensive after reading the whole thread, which is probably more revealing than anything. :[

"That, I mean, before everyone had the internet, I mean people still masturbated. Maybe even a LOT! And, I mean, every single one of us knew that one kid who's dad had a ginormous porn collection, but it was only the one kid, it wasn't everyone's dad. It wasn't like everyone you knew somehow scammed out thousands of Playboys and Hustlers, or everyone had this super easy access to porn."

they just sound deprived to me dude. :'( yeah, rennaisance niggas didn't "need" (scarequotes DO YOU SEE) porn, but they got by without flat-screen TVs pretty ok too. doesn't really mean ppl were better off like that. i've mbated tons of time without porn - when camping, on field trips, in taco bells. It's not difficult, but with the option of pron why would I want to stick with my shitty imagination? Is the cavalcade of huge cocks I could IMAGINE really gonna be much more fulfilling than the ones I see onscreen?

but i'm sure there's a good point to be made about how exposure to mountains of porn is effecting today's 14-year old dudes, just like exposure to too much games and TV can overstimulate little kids. or something.

"The idea of writing stories to later masturbate to is actually kind of charming to me and if I found out a man had done that I'd think it was a bit cute. That is quite a lot of effort and imagination and thoughtfulness put into this. You could give them to girlfriends! This is funny cos I actually find the whole sex stories genre to be by and large a little creepy!"

that sounds like a chick thing to me. there are a lot of women who like porn, but ultimately most of them (a lot of them? I can't really back this up) (shockingly!!!!!) can't really wrap their heads around why guys are drawn to it - this isn't a bad thing, it's just a difference in our arousal mechanisms. i know that wasn't really your point, but I needed an excuse to patronizingly address the female perspective.

No wonder you need porn.

(you'll have to scroll down, something about the intended image got screwed up).

re: last point vis a vis females, I'm pretty sure the reason why most women can't wrap their heads around this has a whole lot less to do with differing mechanisms than it does with having absolutely no ability to identify with a good portion of the easiest-to-find porn (think about it, the men are generally faceless or peripheral, just dudes calling this vaguely mechanical, emotionless girl a slut or a whore, there's not really like any attempt to pleasure her, she's pretty much meant to start shrieking and orgasming from, like, proximity to penises I guess--I mean it's kind of difficult to identify with, or just ignore these aspects, if you can put yourself in the place of the object of the scenario).

Anyway this has really gone completely off-track cos I'm pretty sure neither myself nor Je4nne earlier were trying to say people shouldn't read pornography, period. Just that a lot of the excuses made are kind of crap and maybe, just maybe, some of it isn't really healthy to be overexposed to.

Anyway you don't need to be this defensive cos you aren't, like, sitting there blaming the industry for your choices or just stating absolute bullshit like "Well I'm sure I'd watch much more positive pornography if that existed!" (haha wtf do you people think people like myself or Je4nne (presumably) are watching? "Oh god, 15-Year-Old Slutwhore Anal Gangbang #27 is disgusting and debasing!!! #13 was a lot better!" Or is it assumed that we're sitting around watching Playboy bunnies hug each other, naked? Let's be serious here) or going off on how there is no way whatsoever that a person's choices of entertainment could ever say something about the person in question etc etc, so I dunno why yr getting het up, it's like you and the dude with all the anal Latina gangbangs are the most honest fuckers here!

I'd say the Europeans made degrading porno, and Americans copied it. Max Hardcore and every Euro girl who's asshole is big enough to use as a storage locker began to outshine the Wicked/Vivids of the world and changed the dynamic.

two collections of nasty sexy female-positive (well ymmv but you know what I'm getting at) PORN. Way easier to find this stuff for me at least, but this is where I'm already getting my toys.

if this is the case, why is it not presented that way. if its just the hottest chicks doing sex, why are the titles the way they are, why all the "stupid slut" stuff, the punishment overtones, the "bust a nut on this stupid whores face", "this whore got more than she bargained for"?

i would hazard a guess these guys are good capitalists, and know their markets? seems to me to be as much about morality and power as anything else, even if subconscious.

i think it probably appeals to a core 10-20%, guys for whom that type of porn is their main outlet and who get off on the powerplay/humiliation/object angle, maybe because of issues with women, maybe for other reasons. either way, i'd hazard a guess that this 20% of the market buys 80% of the porn. (not watches, but buys.)

it also of course is shocking to many other people, which makes them click on the links just out of curiosity = referral clickthroughs.

i can't relate, personally, as this stuff is a big turn-off for me. with occasional exceptions, the only porn i really enjoy these days is girl-on-girl porn, where at least some of the time, it looks like they're honestly having fun. sapphicerotica.com is ok, but it often is really stagey and stiff. abbywinters.com is better, actually probably the best porn site i've seen.

oh, the answer to the question: not me. i have about 20-30 mpegs, almost all girl-on-girl porn, all of it short clips downloaded for free. i've only bought porn once, a video that i never watch.

and i often watch porn when i masturbate, not because i "have no imagination", but because on the contrary, it helps to keep me from imagining things that make me sad: memories of exes, mainly, and thinking thoughts of loneliness and unhappiness.

ps remy otmfm

BEST THING EVER SAID

No, oops, I'm not talking about "feminist-approved" porn and I'd like it if you didn't put words in my mouth in the future. There is porn out there in virtually every single genre that does NOT involve constantly calling the female object a whore or a slut and where the woman doesn't appear drugged out, bored, or worse variations on the general theme. If I could figure out how to do a link to specific examples on porn sites without it just redirecting you to the main pages I would do so, right now, but for christ's sake if an only occasional consumer like myself can find bukkake piss porn where the woman is not being called a whore, is laughing and having a great time, and the whole thing comes off like a generally healthy expression of a weird fetish (regardless of what is actually going on behind the scenes, yes) and not like the woman is being punished or abused, exhibitionist slut getting what is coming to her, then for fuck's sake your average male internet porn consumer (ie someone who is doing this a lot more often than I am and probably knows a helluva lot more sites) shouldn't have a very difficult time finding these things in any genre!

I'm not talking about this for-women, by-women porn. I'm talking about pretty easy to find hardcore where the women are treated as having at least one iota of respect in the situation, that the fact that they're enjoying it is as important as the fact that 18 HUGE BLACK COCKS COME IN BARELY LEGAL LATINA'S FACE OMG WTF.

Hahaha what's funny is that the genre of porn that started this whole debacle, the barely legal shit, seems like, in my experience, more likely to minimize the slut-whore-deserves-it angle, mainly I guess for that whole marketing thing someone talked about, I mean a guy who is pretty exclusively searching that out, well I think a bunch of college cuties giggling and doing raunchy things is gonna get him off more than calling them whores and sluts and a bunch of other depictions that are highly questionable is gonna.

I have never seen, to my knowledge, for-women by-women "feminist-approved" pornography.

gareth is basically OTM.

I mean, it's pretty easy to make a choice between looking at the site where the women are being referred to as "cum whores" right on the front page and any number of other pages that leave out that angle. The choice is anyone's to make but yeah, the prevalence is a little disconcerting vis a vis the market and I mean you can't sit there and pretend that the choices you make don't reflect on you in some way. I mean, pretty much everyone (except, apparently, oops, cos you always come on every thread from fashion to porn and point out how shallow it is to judge people on their choices in these things, so you are exempt from this) makes snap judgements based on their knowledge of another person's tastes and preferences, if a person watched E! every single night you'd think something about them based on what you know about others who did that, your opinion of their programming, etc. It's disingenuous to say that a person's preferences don't say something.

I guess, what I am getting at here, is that the most infuriating thing about this thread isn't the people who sit there and just rail out, this is what I like, so fucking what. I mean, in the end hey takes balls to do it, I'm sure there's plenty of things in your chosen genre that are redeemable (as I already said), etc. It's the people who are presenting it like there's no choice to be made here, it doesn't say anything about anyone, "Don't blame me, blame the porn industry." Do I want people to choose less negative porn? Hell yes. Like I said, if I can't pretty easily find it, so can anyone else! None of you are victims. You all make a choice, you all contribute to the problem at hand here, the creation of all this porn that supposedly turns y'all off and you'd prefer better shit, as soon as you make the decision to view and enjoy abusive things. ("you" is the universal "you" blah blah blah)

Which is, you know, whatever you wanna do, but let's call a spade a fucking spade here.

DING DING DING

Eep, no way! I love manufactured porn just as much as *real* porn. (Then again is anything ever *real*.) I love the blown-up tits a lot. Still want to check out gay-porn, something I haven't done yet. Nor porn videogames. Hmmm.

I always find it amusing when people reply to my pro-porn/feminist statement that it's contradictory. Why do people still think in such conservative ways?

I guess I read/write more about/on porn than I actually watch it because of non-personal reasons. I'd probably watch it more, but for now I just read about it. I do download from time to time - in *spurts* - and tend to focus on celeb amateur porn. I just love the friction between the celebrity and amateur character of those tapes. I'm not a big fan of the Max Hardcore school - it just doesn't do me anything - nor Marquis de Sade - I can understand his value, but I just don't enjoy his writing. I watched my first porn film when I was about ten, I think. My most active period was from the age of about 14 to 15 yrs old. It was just easier to get ahold of (the movie channel aired porn from about 12 to 2 am). I still remember it fondly: sneaking in the living-room and watching porn.

I just bought the Mitchell Bros bio for aout 7 dollars. *YAY* Also, there's an entertaining interview with Jenna J in Forbes mag. I haven't checked out her website (yet).

I'm intellectually attracted to this point, but my psychosexual development can't get behind it.

I misread this very badly was very OMG WTF.

Has this important question been resolved???

and i often watch porn when i masturbate, not because i "have no imagination", but because on the contrary, it helps to keep me from imagining things that make me sad: memories of exes, mainly, and thinking thoughts of loneliness and unhappiness.

This just broke my heart.

thing is, in california, all the jock grrls are like this -- wholesome and built and tanned and wooo00t. there was a grrl b3cky b0rden in HS who was on par with this grrl. She played volleyball. If you look for some of the other picts (I did) she's a cuet, sweet looking girl. that one picture with the pole on her shoulder just happens to make her look amazonian and stacked.

-- Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:46 PM (1 year ago) Bookmark Link

and i often watch porn when i masturbate, not because i "have no imagination", but because on the contrary, it helps to keep me from imagining things that make me sad: memories of exes, mainly, and thinking thoughts of loneliness and unhappiness.

is really one for the ages

that was probably my favorite part in the wall-e movie-- the sequence where the robot is masturbates...so poignant...thank you, disney!!!!!!

A thread on redecorating your living room becomes NSFW and this thread remains unsullied. The crazy world of ilx.

it's beautiful

like me.

and life

Speaking of robots, this is absolutely one of my fave threads on ILX ever:
robots in dis guys

i hate that this thread is safe for work

my own personal problem with porn is that most of that shit isn't erotic at all and fwiw a lot of the girls are having fun in those videos because they're fairly drugged up on all sorts of shit. my ex went to the house of this porn actress named Lexu$ and she offered her some coke, saying it would make her feel good and advised her to take it before every shoot, for a number of reasons. blech.
-- Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Friday, June 24, 2005 11:21 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark Link

Wait, how come that slipped by unexplained? Did gear turn his GF into a porn star?

are you kidding? after the couch that is most well-known gear-fact.

Um, what's the couch?

I remember the thread about the guy whose slutty housemate was boning some guy on the couch and it was his couch and he was kinda pissed about it but afraid to come out of his room and he eventually did and embarassed some peeps and ilxblogged it all live.

Is that it?

Still I need more details about this gear = porno pimp assertion.

That would be this thread:
what to do when your roommate doesn't realize you're home and thusly is having loud sex in the living room

I didn't know anything about Gear's alleged porno GF

It wasn't gear doing the coke-feeding in that post, FWIW, rather a friend/porn actress plying it to his ex.

Who also, apparently, is a car.

ps. not a dis should have caught on

this is an interesting thread, though, Ally talks a lot of sense on it, I think I fall into the slightly disturbed by emphasis on girls ages camp, tbh, I don't fully understand why people don't find it creepy, also the whole slut/coersion thing is just plain wrong, again, not finding it so is a little odd

I don't personally have anything against porn (so long as everyone involved seems to be enjoying themselves) , my wife's pretty anti though, and I respect her reasons, so I suspect I'm not in the running