LAND OF THE DEAD IS FUCKING AWESOME

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Like Dawn of the Dead good.

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Saturday, 25 June 2005 04:51 (twenty years ago)

Dawn of the Dead 2004?

― Eric H: not a troll, with one exception (Eric H.), Saturday, 25 June 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)

No, the original.

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Saturday, 25 June 2005 05:14 (twenty years ago)

How stupid am I for thinking Dawn of the Dead ain't all that?

― David R. (popshots75`), Saturday, 25 June 2005 05:47 (twenty years ago)

Dawn of the Dead 2004?

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Saturday, 25 June 2005 05:48 (twenty years ago)

No, the original.

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Saturday, 25 June 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

How stupid am I for thinking Dawn of the Dead ain't all that?

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Saturday, 25 June 2005 06:25 (twenty years ago)

What is "all that" if Dawn of the Dead ain't? Just curious!

― -rainbow bum- (-rainbow bum-), Saturday, 25 June 2005 06:27 (twenty years ago)

ah see you broke the flow.

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Saturday, 25 June 2005 06:29 (twenty years ago)

xpost - Dawn of the Dead 2004?

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Saturday, 25 June 2005 06:36 (twenty years ago)

No, the original.

― jaymc (jaymc), Saturday, 25 June 2005 06:39 (twenty years ago)

*bows*

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Saturday, 25 June 2005 06:50 (twenty years ago)

*curtsies*

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Saturday, 25 June 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

http://ruthlessreviews.com/pics4/dawnofthedead2004a.jpg

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Saturday, 25 June 2005 07:03 (twenty years ago)

we're seeing this tomorrow!

― kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 25 June 2005 08:08 (twenty years ago)

Night, Dawn and Land are apples, oranges and pears, respectively. It was a very good pear, I liked it.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 25 June 2005 11:37 (twenty years ago)

It seems the only difference between Asia Argento and Moira Kelly is that Argento slips into an Italian accent at random moments. Which is really hot, btw.

― miccio (miccio), Saturday, 25 June 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

For a minute i confused Moira Kelly with Moira Steward the BBC news presenter.

― Hari A$hur$t (Toaster), Saturday, 25 June 2005 12:37 (twenty years ago)

But is it Day of the Dead good?

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Saturday, 25 June 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

Day of the Dead 2004?

― Aaron A., Saturday, 25 June 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

No, the first one, the debut, the... what's the word?

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Saturday, 25 June 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

The template.

― Eric H: not a troll, with one exception (Eric H.), Saturday, 25 June 2005 15:58 (twenty years ago)

I wish it was Maura Tierney.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 25 June 2005 16:02 (twenty years ago)

Maura Tierney 2004?

― Eric H: not a troll, with one exception (Eric H.), Saturday, 25 June 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

2 stars. Not good.

― Stoner Guy, Saturday, 25 June 2005 19:40 (twenty years ago)

We're gunna try to shotgun this with batman, assuming my friends are up for it.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Saturday, 25 June 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Batman 1989?

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 25 June 2005 23:11 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe that this is as good as Dawn of the Dead because it doesn't take place in a MALL (does it?). I still can't wait to see it though.

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Saturday, 25 June 2005 23:12 (twenty years ago)

Batman 1989?

well, if that was showing at the local multiplex, then yes.

however, not this time.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 26 June 2005 00:28 (twenty years ago)

I can't believe that this is as good as Dawn of the Dead because it doesn't take place in a MALL (does it?). I still can't wait to see it though.

Dawn of the Dead 2004?

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 26 June 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

OF COURSE ITS FUCKING AWESOME. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A BAD ZOMBIE MOVIE.

― kephm (kephm), Sunday, 26 June 2005 00:36 (twenty years ago)

OTM

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 26 June 2005 00:58 (twenty years ago)

There is a mall.

― miccio (miccio), Sunday, 26 June 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

dude, zombie movies are like pizza and sex, it's true.

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Sunday, 26 June 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

pizza and sex 2004?

― Ô¿Ô (eman), Sunday, 26 June 2005 03:03 (twenty years ago)

i want to see this someone take me on a daet

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Sunday, 26 June 2005 03:17 (twenty years ago)

There is a mall.

YES! Awesome!

― walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 26 June 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)

THIS MOVIE WAS FUCKING AWESOME

far more entertaining that Star Wars, even

― kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 26 June 2005 04:59 (twenty years ago)

the '00s Star Wars films?

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Sunday, 26 June 2005 06:11 (twenty years ago)

http://www.splicedonline.com/02reviews/scotlandpa_.jpg

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Sunday, 26 June 2005 06:13 (twenty years ago)

Episode III, that is. Which was the last flick i saw in a theater.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 26 June 2005 06:17 (twenty years ago)

How stupid am I for thinking Star Wars ain't all that?

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Sunday, 26 June 2005 06:18 (twenty years ago)

Star Wars 2004?

― harshaw (jube), Sunday, 26 June 2005 06:24 (twenty years ago)

no, the original

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Sunday, 26 June 2005 06:30 (twenty years ago)

Strawberry Shortcake 2010

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 June 2005 18:09 (twenty years ago)

anybody else get the "prime-era Winona" vibe from Asia?

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/george_a__romero_s_land_of_the_dead/asia_argento/landofthedead5.jpg

― kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 26 June 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

actually, fuck it. here are the rest of the shots from that Yahoo dir:

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/george_a__romero_s_land_of_the_dead/asia_argento/landofthedead1.jpg http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/george_a__romero_s_land_of_the_dead/asia_argento/landofthedead2.jpg http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/george_a__romero_s_land_of_the_dead/asia_argento/landofthedead3.jpg http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/universal_pictures/george_a__romero_s_land_of_the_dead/asia_argento/landofthedead4.jpg

― kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 26 June 2005 18:32 (twenty years ago)

also, according to the box office reports, this flick helped knock Episode III (and fuckin' Madagascar, of all things), out of the U.S. Top 5:


1	1	Batman Begins	Warner Bros.	$26,770,000	$121,697,000	2	3858	
2	-	Bewitched	Columbia Pictures	$20,200,000	$20,200,000	1	3174	
3	2	Mr. & Mrs. Smith	Twentieth Century Fox	$16,750,000	$125,438,000	3	3265	
4	-	Herbie: Fully Loaded	Walt Disney Pictures	$12,750,000	$17,787,000	1	3521	
5	-	George A. Romero's Land of the Dead	Universal Pictures	$10,233,000	$10,233,000	1

no doubt Lucas is crying into his beard.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Sunday, 26 June 2005 18:35 (twenty years ago)

Three films that should not be, two that might; four remakes, one original; two TV shows and two superstar couples; one superhero and one zombie and one witch and two secret agents and one animated car; irony is overrated.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Sunday, 26 June 2005 19:20 (twenty years ago)

Irony 2005?

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Sunday, 26 June 2005 22:17 (twenty years ago)

How stupid am I for thinking irony ain't all that?

― cutty (mcutt), Sunday, 26 June 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

Who's the second celebrity couple? Brangelina+?

None of those are remakes, either.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Sunday, 26 June 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

well, Bewitched is a meta-remake, so that's close enough.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 27 June 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

how is the movie?

― I'm bad and dirty and going to hell (nordicskilla), Monday, 27 June 2005 02:31 (twenty years ago)

that one zombie was definitely like the SMART GRABOID in the movie tremors. He really had a heart.

― gunther heartymeal (keckles), Monday, 27 June 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

Gas Station zombie was almost too smart. It's one thing to groan warnings to others. It's quite another to make deathtraps with rlaming paint cans and gas pumps. Actually, I was kind of hoping when he saw the gas pump he'd revert to his fugue-state. That would have made up for the clunkiness of the whole fireworks thing.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 27 June 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

rlaming = flaming

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Monday, 27 June 2005 02:59 (twenty years ago)

Batman is a sequel, Herbie is a remake, Land is a sequel, Bewitched (as noted) is a meta remake; for clarification, "brangela" are the other couple; please hold a place in line for me at War of the Worlds and Batman and Land and nuke the rest from orbit as it's the only way to be sure.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 June 2005 03:48 (twenty years ago)

which is a line of dialogue from a sequel!

― kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 27 June 2005 04:04 (twenty years ago)

Give him a hand everybody!

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 June 2005 04:06 (twenty years ago)

sequel/one in a family of movies != remake. And Bewitched isn't really a remake at all - it's playing off an old TV show as a setup.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 27 June 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

Land of the Dead really could have stood to be longer (first time I've said that in forever). I'd like to have seen all the plots and characters get a little more attention than they did.

Miccio totally OTM about the hotness of Argento slipping into Italian every once in a while.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 27 June 2005 04:16 (twenty years ago)

It's all just product to me, Milo.

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 27 June 2005 04:17 (twenty years ago)

This was definitely the weakest Romero Dead film, and really not as good as last year's Dawn remake, which was just as conventional but quite a bit scarier and with better elements of satire (SHOOT THE ONE WHO LOOKS LIKE ROSIE O'DONNELL). Also not as good as Shaun of the Dead.

There was no sense of momentum to Land of the Dead, it just kind of went along, went along and then stopped.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 27 June 2005 04:27 (twenty years ago)

Land of the Dead '05?

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Monday, 27 June 2005 04:37 (twenty years ago)

Land of the Dead II, I got into a sneak preview.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 27 June 2005 04:37 (twenty years ago)

dish it, knowles!

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Monday, 27 June 2005 04:38 (twenty years ago)

It's just a 90 minute montage of Asia Argento killing zombies. Very "experimental."

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Monday, 27 June 2005 04:44 (twenty years ago)

I would definitely pay money to see that.

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Monday, 27 June 2005 04:46 (twenty years ago)

What was that tattoo that Asia had on the back of her neck? Was it the numerals "23" or was I just misinterpreting what I saw?

I liked the "subversive" ending in this one. Commies/"the people" rise to power, anarcho-libertarians get to fuck off in search of a new frontier (iffy message there, I guess: the only free world without walls/boundaries is one without opposing groups of people in it?), the poor eat the rich. Happy endings all around, I thought, but I'm weird that way.

― Chris F. (servoret), Monday, 27 June 2005 05:15 (twenty years ago)

http://img165.echo.cx/img165/5034/bubjr3el.jpg

― kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 27 June 2005 06:06 (twenty years ago)

Release dates for Land of the Dead

Country Date
USA 20 June 2005 (Los Angeles, California) (premiere)
USA 21 June 2005 (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) (premiere)
Canada 24 June 2005
USA 24 June 2005
Italy 15 July 2005
Norway 29 July 2005
Australia 4 August 2005
Germany 4 August 2005
New Zealand 4 August 2005
Austria 5 August 2005
Finland 5 August 2005
Sweden 5 August 2005
Hungary 11 August 2005
Turkey 12 August 2005
Belgium 17 August 2005
France 17 August 2005
Iceland 19 August 2005
Netherlands 8 September 2005
UK 9 September 2005

Hunh. guess you guys will be waiting for a bit. Turnabout being fair play and all that, since we didn't get "Shaun" over here for like 5 months after it was released.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 27 June 2005 06:10 (twenty years ago)

pwned

― Gear! (Ill Cajun Gunsmith) (Gear!), Monday, 27 June 2005 06:13 (twenty years ago)

Simon Pegg aka Shaun of the Dead was IN THIS as a ZMOBIE! I liked the Samoan dude's line about the Samoa's car thieving history.

― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 27 June 2005 13:05 (twenty years ago)

yessss me too

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:44 (twenty years ago)

Simon Pegg aka Shaun of the Dead was IN THIS as a ZMOBIE

yeah, see the photo upthread.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Monday, 27 June 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

i thought this movie had so many missed opportunities. he kind of fucked it up, though i totally enjoyed a lot of it.

i) fiddler's green--i totally wanted more of this stuff, it was just so vaguely touched on, it really should've been the primary setting of the movie
ii) leguizamo--why was HE not the star/hero of this movie, or his character at least, instead of boring LA asshole white guy?! this felt like a total sellout
iii) boring LA asshole white guy--he sucked sooooo much. so boring and pointless!! why!?
iv) it seemed kind of stupid that leguizamo and boring guy BOTH quit on the same night that was ALSO the same night that zombies got smart and yet none of these things were seemingly connected in any way
v) "they're just looking for somewhere to go?!?!?!?" THAT's romero's definitive statement on zombies? they're looking for somewhere to GO?!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 22:59 (twenty years ago)

OTM x 1,000,000

― larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

x 2,000,000

― larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

I will admit the whole 'zombies turning into people' thing was a bit awkward and hard to rationalize, but personally I didn't give a shit. points i, ii amd v i think are pretty valid. I thought the guy had some charm though and that level of coincidence, well, you might as well not watch hollywood movies then.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

actually I don't even really agree with i - i've already seen Dawn Of The Dead.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:20 (twenty years ago)

having Hopper finally vocalize the race element by calling Leguizamo a spic at the end was pretty forced, and the butler didn't have to be THAT Mantan-y.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:23 (twenty years ago)

actually I don't even really agree with i - i've already seen Dawn Of The Dead.

then what's the point of this movie?! at least COMMIT to what you're doing george!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

actually I don't even really agree with i - i've already seen Dawn Of The Dead.

Yeah, but you have to make Fiddler's Green desireable to the viewer on some level, otherwise it's not very effective. As soon as we're introduced to it, we learn that it's full of assholes and don't care that zombies are very slowly attacking. Then, it seems pointless to try and make any rejection of Fiddler's Green out to be some heroic act which kills the ending to a large degree.

― larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

(i can't believe you liked that boring guy! "no thanks i don't drink")

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:26 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the movie lacked heavy drama and profundity, but the point of this movie imo was to show us people dealing with zombies and shit! while I can understand if people think this movie lacks the metaphorical pow of Dawn, I didn't think that movie was too profound in the first place. Zombies and shit - I wanted it and got it. It's probably my least favorite of the series but I was more impressed by the film's professionalism than dismayed by its lack of auteurist juice.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:28 (twenty years ago)

i wasn't looking for great auteurist whatnot--but a better-written movie!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

"George A. Romero's Land of the Dead"

― larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:30 (twenty years ago)

"John Carpenter's Vampires"

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

is it just me or did this movie arrive with not much publicity consider it's a new george romero zombie movie?

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

"John Turteltaub's National Treasure"

― Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

I saw ads for it all over the NBA series.

I've never seen Day Of The Dead, have you guys? I'm not sure how it compares. My friend Wiliam says he likes them about equal - that Day has no likable characters and that Land almost has too many.

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:32 (twenty years ago)

Go see that movie 100 times and then come back to this thread. (/calum)

Day is way better than Land and it doesn't feature WEAK DIGITAL BLOOD.

Or that guy who played Luigi in the Super Mario Bros movie.

― larry bundgee (bundgee), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:35 (twenty years ago)

i wasn't looking for great auteurist whatnot--but a better-written movie!

yeah, I'll admit if my expectations went beyond "zombies and shit" I'd be disappointed.

x-post not only did it have Luigi but King Koopa!

― miccio (miccio), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

the REAL sequel to super mario bros!!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 June 2005 23:48 (twenty years ago)

i wholeheartedly agree with the "more fiddler's green, less boring white guy" assessment. more leguizamo and argento. less zombie pedagogy. more movie! i left feeling like i had eaten one sandwich when i wanted two. does anyone know when asia argento's "the heart is deceitful..." comes out?

(speaking of winona...i think she's supposed to play a shrink in that movie, whenever it happens)

― The Landlord's Daughter (The Landlord's Daughter), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 00:32 (twenty years ago)

yeah, the movie lacked heavy drama and profundity, but the point of this movie imo was to show us people dealing with zombies and shit
This would have been really cool, as a small film about some normal people dealing with Zombie World... oh, hey that was the first half of 28 Days Later.

Slocki OTM about not committing - he faked toward "people dealing with zombies and shit" but it was still about the Hero and Old White Guy Villain more than people.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 29 June 2005 00:59 (twenty years ago)

the thing where hopper offs his 2nd in command was v. funny and also that "other side lives" line but that was the only good thing about leguizamo's character, which was otherwise way overacted. simon baker (riley) did an ok job at the mcqueenish thing but is obv. no mcqueen. on the other hand, no big name actor coulda rilly pulled it off more.

the critics on about the confused political msgs of the movie just are looking at politics wrong, but then i slip into lacanian interpretations of these things without even noticing so eh.

zombie clown -- check. zombie cheerleader -- check and check. zombie bride -- check.

i wanted more out of the zombie band tho.

more of the radicals of the surrounding city woulda given some balance tho -- i have a feeling romero had more for them that didn't make it in?

also -- "i'm going to see a man about a car"!!!!

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 1 July 2005 19:58 (twenty years ago)

the thing where hopper offs his 2nd in command was v. funny and also that "other side lives" line

otm, but comparing that dude to mcqueen is completely insane. dude belongs on some 12th-tier canadian-filmed sci-fi show like "mutant x."

the critics on about the confused political msgs of the movie just are looking at politics wrong, but then i slip into lacanian interpretations of these things without even noticing so eh.

what?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 1 July 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

i mean i'm just like "duh the zombies are obv. the Real descending into fissures in the illusion of the Big Other, embodying the subject's missed relation to the object of desire and etc.etc."

which is not "duh" at all really. which is the point.

also i totally heart mutant x and 12th tier sci fi shows. and KEVIN SORBO.

also whoever made the carpenter comparison was v. much otm altho the film could have used a little more carpenter in fleshing out the 2ndary characters. except the whole bit where the three company goons hired to "assist" gave their one-sentence introductions was a very cute genre-nod like "hi. we're not going to be important. this sentence is all you'll learn about each of us, so it was written to be memorable. most of us will probably die."

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 2 July 2005 02:32 (twenty years ago)

yeah, i liked that stuff too! i was into how romero still makes movies like it's the '70s or early '80s. with a skateboarding character named "mouse" and all that!

(but that guy still sucked--i maintain cholo should've been the (anti)hero of the movie!!)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 2 July 2005 02:36 (twenty years ago)

Saw it yesterday. I liked it, but I am contractually obligated to like pretty much any zombie movie. The concept is great, the idea of capturing the exact moment when the zombies start to evolve, though it probably would have worked better if it had been stretched out over a longer time period instead of just like one day, which exaggerated the silliness of it. Main dude was really fucking boring. I liked Argento but she looks oddly like a skanky version of the wife from "King of Queens." Leguizamo was great, I don't know why he isn't in more good movies. Hopper was Hopper. It wasn't as good as any of the other Romero zombie flicks, a lot flabbier and unfocused, but still totally enjoyable.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

Firstly, I told Nick right after the movie that I wanted there to be more Fiddler's Green in it, but then he said, "Yeah, but that was the whole point of Dawn of the Dead." Or was it Day..? You know, the one in the mall.

v) "they're just looking for somewhere to go?!?!?!?" THAT's romero's definitive statement on zombies? they're looking for somewhere to GO?!!

Yeah - WTF?!! Zombies are people, man. Let them do what they want. Never mind that we've been blowing them up like crazy all day and they've been eating our friends. Now they're A-OK in my book.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:29 (twenty years ago)

Mostly, I thought the movie got good, but it took a really long time. I was excited by the band in the gazebo, but then nothing fun happened for a very very long time. Then, when I started to get really into the movie, it ended kind of suddenly.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:33 (twenty years ago)

Also, has there been a thread on They Came Back yet? The search function isn't working for me right now.

― Sarah McLusky (coco), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:34 (twenty years ago)

Maddie and I are going to see it tonight! Woooo, zombies!

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

This thread is better than a movie could ever be.

― Huey (Huey), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Alex in SF forced me to see this movie at gunpoint. It was okay. I don't know from zombie movies.

― eat my replacement (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

I liked it more than War Of The Worlds, probably.

― eat my replacement (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 18:17 (twenty years ago)

they shouldn't have said "sky flowers" so many times. it got really embarrassing to watch.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:24 (twenty years ago)

Haha sky flowers. I liked it, but it's weaker than Day of the Dead and therefore the weakest of the four "official" Dead flicks. I suspect The Devil's Rejects will end up being better.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:28 (twenty years ago)

I like the way Dennis Hopper always looked like he was advertising something - cigars, brandy, hairpieces...

― eat my replacement (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

So did anyone notice that the money thing made no fucking sense? Was this pointed out up thread?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Ebert pointed it out in his review. He also pointed out the oddity of Fiddler's Green having advertisements.

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:55 (twenty years ago)

It's "satire"!

(Ha ha, and I liked the movie!)

― n/a (Nick A.), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Guy 1: "I want $5 million dollars? I will make Dennis Hopper give it to me!"
Guy 2: "You've got an enormous fuck off tank?!?!? Why don't you just go and blow up a bank somewhere and take the money? Or just blow up Dennis Hopper for the hell of it? This plot point doesn't make any sense."
Guy 1: "Shut up."

I kind of liked the advertising thing. That made sense with the whole "we are living exactly like we always did" sort of vibe of the place.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

I think they should have made this movie more about people's perceptions of zombies and how we are all quick to judge zombies without getting to know them as people and individuals. And it should have had Sandra Bullock in a minor role.

― eat my replacement (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:01 (twenty years ago)

ok this "how does money work" thing is so wrong.

obv. money retains it's meaning b/c people continue to respect it as such -- same reason money retains its meaning now. using money you can hire ppl. to protect you from other ppl. taking yr. money b/c everybody accepts the social fiction of money as universal exchange value.

there's nothing confusing about that at all. (oh, and you can divide & rule and dangle to the most loyal the fiction that one day, if they play by the rules and take out your trash, then they too can be where you are)

as for the ads -- ebert's talking about the tv add for fiddler's green, but i took that ad to be an obv. pre-"zombie-period" ad that just stuck around.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:12 (twenty years ago)

Oh I understand the "how money works" thing, it just doesn't make sense that if you are in possession of a heavily armed truck-tank that you are going to bother taking this guy's money or threatening him or whatever. It felt like a forced plot point.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:15 (twenty years ago)

dunno about that either -- the city and fiddler's green seemed the nicest deal to be found in likely the whole of north america -- given a big frikin tank, what ELSE would you do with it?

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:19 (twenty years ago)

Hahaha I would have just killed Dennis Hopper immediately and then pointed out that I had a big fuckin' tank and I was taking over!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

typical

― eat my replacement (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

how do you do this, alex? do you kill hopper while you're in the building BEFORE you go for the tank (won't work)? or do you try to kill him WITH the tank (which also won't work, short of destroying fiddlers green, which is then what he actually threatens to do). And even if you DO kill hopper, you STILL need the money, which is not with hopper, but in a VAULT.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:26 (twenty years ago)

the point is, more fiddler's green would've improved the movie greatly. and wouldn't have made it neccessarily at all like dawn of the dead. people aren't going about their day-to-day lives shopping in "dawn of the dead"!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Yes, you kill him right after you beat the shit out of his security guard on the stairs! Don't drop the gun and stalk off like a shithead. And why the hell do you need to get the money from Dennis Hopper? Go and walk over to a nearby bank and bust into their vault! The entire fucking continent has been "abandoned" and I doubt the even the most "sophisticated" zombies are using it! And even if he gets the money, what the fuck is he going to do with it? It's not like he can go back to Fiddler's Green with it! It didn't ruin my enjoyment of the movie, but it was a rather stupid plot point and I fail to comprehend why anyone would want to defend it.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:33 (twenty years ago)

i'm with alex here

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:34 (twenty years ago)

as my friend pointed out... he spent 20 years trying to make this movie and he couldn't write a 2nd draft?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Wasn't the money plot just Romero's (maybe ham-fisted) dig at how (some) Americans will still only give a damn about money EVEN AFTER HELL FILLS UP AND THE DEAD WALK THE EARTH?

Anyone seen the unrated version of the Dawn of the Dead remake? I'm wonder if it adds anything to the plot or if it's just a standard Mo' Titties version.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Alex it's what he wanted to do, it doesn't have to make sense. A lot of class resentment doesn't. Then again a lot of it does, but gets acted on in very weird ways that don't actually further any logical goal. I thought the very fact that it wasn't the best or most efficient course for Cholo to go on made it stronger.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

(xpost)Are you implying that seeing Sarah Polley's titties wouldn't have added a great deal to the plot?

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Is it strange that I saw this movie only a couple of days ago and yet cannot follow what any of you are saying?

― eat my replacement (nordicskilla), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

"I thought the very fact that it wasn't the best or most efficient course for Cholo to go on made it stronger."

Yes and if he were doing it alone, I might have understand that better, BUT there are what 4-5 other people on that truck. I find it hard to believe they are all as "stupid/driven" as he was.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

It's the last episode of the Wire REDUX!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 21:41 (twenty years ago)

i don't think romero was making a point about class resentment... i just think it was poorly thought-out! if he was trying to make a point it didn't go anywhere

― slocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 22:31 (twenty years ago)

s1ocki?? Cholo "takes out" Hopper's "garbage" for years, then when he asks for a place in Fiddler's Green Hopper tells him he doesn't want his kind of people there? if it weren't clear just from that, they even set it up with a convo btwn Cholo and Riley, where Cholo starts talking serious payback, says in effect "why not me?" i mean, i thought it was almost TOO spelled out..

Alex you're right about Cholo's support staff going along with it. i guess they feel more allegiance to Cholo than to Hopper. it's a hard decision to make in a world full of zombies where the one safe place is your boss's castle, but feck they're not exactly "go the safe route types" anyway, and they all seem pretty aware that le shit is about to hit le fan.. so why not hang with the dude in the invincible truck?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 23:02 (twenty years ago)

i mean specifically in regards to the "why does he need the $$" question dude

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

also did anyone else find it weird that they both quit on the same night?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)

Riley and Cholo? Technically the gas station attendant walked off the "job" as well. Really there was a lot of work disatisfaction.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 23:06 (twenty years ago)

i was more curious about why they were using up so much gasoline and bullets, and why the Argento chick said she "knew how to shoot," when she didn't even know how to hold the gun.

― kingfish (Kingfish), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 23:31 (twenty years ago)

Mouse was played by the lead singer of the Deadly Snakes.

― Miss Misery (thatgirl), Tuesday, 5 July 2005 23:42 (twenty years ago)

That was a very anticlimactic ending. "They just want a place to go (as long as there are delicious people there)."

I say screw the happy ending for the protagonists and the "resistance" and show the zombies replacing humanity in Fiddler's Green. I wanted to see a zombie party!

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 01:20 (twenty years ago)

s1ocki you've just been completely excommunicated by the most powerful man in the country.. shown zero gratitude for saving his ass for ages.. i dunno, what would YOU do?

the thing about how he still makes movies like it's the 70s and early 80s is really true, and one of the big reasons i liked this movie so much.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 01:59 (twenty years ago)

the quit on the same night thing is bogus too. riley actually was quitting, as he had been making clear and planning for some time. cholo, once given the command of the unit from riley, decided instead to "quit." the decisions went together.

also i would imagine that nearby bank vaults had already been robbed thoroughly, and furthermore even if you DID get money, the only fucking place to spend it was in the city and to get into fiddler's green anyway.

of course, the other thing to try to do would be to try and set up an underworld counter-empire, but since the underworld was beholden to hopper and pals too, this was also ruled out.

like all romero's zombie flix, the zombies are sort of a symbol of the collapse of unifying social fictions under the weight of their own contradictions.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

s1ocki you've just been completely excommunicated by the most powerful man in the country.. shown zero gratitude for saving his ass for ages.. i dunno, what would YOU do?

what alex said! take out his bodyguard and head back up into the suite!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

also if you head back up and kill him, then you've A) got to assume that he doesn't have more bodyguards around and B) that this isn't going to tip the whole frigging building off to you being there and thus fuck up your chances of getting out of the building alive and undetected so you can go and get that friggin tank.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:20 (twenty years ago)

and get money which you are going to spend where??!!?

whatevs, i'm tired of this argument. this movie was totally badly-plotted. and i liked it!

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Sterling, do you really think any fat ass bodyguards are gonna be able to stop John Leguizamo??!?! He was in Summer of SAM ya know!

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Me too! I've decided to ignore all plot holes and focus on the zombie theory/social commentary.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:25 (twenty years ago)

it's kind of shame leguizamo never really became the star he was meant to be (a fact that is sort of sadly replayed in the short-shrifting he gets in this movie... which is actually pretty similar to the treatment his character gets! HE SHOULDA BEEN THE STAR)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 17:26 (twenty years ago)

but s!ocki, he CAN'T be the star, at least not in the type of movie romero's making, which still hews to pretty trad hollywood script ideas about heroism etc

cholo is a suck up to power, he gets guys killed by accident just to grab a few suck-up gifts for his asshole boss.. he gets resistance guys killed on purpose on the orders of his boss.. cholo is really a total sellout, a total tool.. and then he realizes the selling out doesn't even work! so he's going to try to blast his way to power. yes, yes, where will he spend the money.. who knows. but if somebody's going to have boocoo dollars, cholo figures it's going to be him. maybe we would have done things differently, well, i HOPE we would have done things differently, but that's what makes cholo cholo, dude. but anyway, this is yr star??

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

boocoo dollars

I'm glad to see "boocoo" back in circulation. Keep it up!

― giboyeux (skowly), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 18:52 (twenty years ago)

mercy boocoo

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

What do we want?!

BRAIIIIINNNNS.

When do we want them?!

BRAIIIIINNNNNNNS.

― Jordan (Jordan), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

i thought that leguizamo was sort of a hammy overactor in roughly half of this movie anyway (altho totally redeemed by that "other side lives" line -- which should have been the basis of MORE of his characterization, that nihilistic blow it up and see what happens attitude which is v., again, late 70s early 80s). the whole cholo character was more of a macguffin to get to the real point which is just ZOMBEEZ EET EVERYONE. i actually really like how much of this film was just like dicking around.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 6 July 2005 20:32 (twenty years ago)

four weeks pass...

Alex was right, the Devil's Rejects was better.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 02:33 (twenty years ago)

in retrospect, that plan to send the skateboard kid to be the lookout... well let's just say i wouldn't be signing up for that shit.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 03:44 (twenty years ago)

not even if your name was MOUSE?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

Just saw this - fucking AWESOME, yes!

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:37 (twenty years ago)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:39 (twenty years ago)

Let's argue about the money thing again.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:45 (twenty years ago)

I liked it although I agree with what was said upthread about it perhaps having been a bit longer. Too many loose ends got tied up too quickly and in a strange way I reckon it would have made a better TV series or somethign where you could really get into the world of zombies.

Great idea though, making a post-zombie film. So many of these movies end without telling you what happens AFTER all the zombies take over the world.

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:51 (twenty years ago)

I was interested in the political messages too. At first I thought it was kind of pro-war yet anti-Bush.

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:52 (twenty years ago)

hey, we only just got this film in the uk.

― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

Fairly good piece in Cinema Scope:

http://www.cinema-scope.com/cs24/cur_sicinski_dead.htm

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:42 (twenty years ago)

I liked it. It's not as good as his other films, but is far superior to most horror or indeed action films released these days. It has a great bleak atmosphere and some lovely moments of invention.

― chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Sicinski is so awesome.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Wednesday, 28 September 2005 22:42 (twenty years ago)

two months pass...

The DVD director's cut had a richo of Fiddler's Green hanging himself from a chandelier, dying, instantly zombifying, and trying to kill his wife. Ebert's wish for more Fiddler's Green footage comes true...sort of.

― Abbott (Abbott), Thursday, 8 December 2005 03:41 (twenty years ago)

It's alright, not a classic though by any means. Some pretty good zombie gore deaths, which is what I wanted. And slow zombies! Yey!

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 8 December 2005 09:18 (twenty years ago)

Incidentally has anyone seen screenshots of a game called Dead Rising, on Xbox360 out next Feb ? It looks pretty damn the business as far as zombies are concerned.

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

not sure where that 'space' came from in the link, try this one

― Ste (Fuzzy), Thursday, 8 December 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)

To me the commercials for Fiddler's Green served as a carrot-on-a-stick for the poor unwashed people below who dreamt of one day living the good life, even though in reality they would never be allowed to. You could say that ads for Fiddler's Green = the myth of the American Dream if you were really cynical.

I really enjoyed this movie. The only thing I thought was lame was that they let the zombies go at the end. Zombies are parasites, and no matter how much they evolve, they will feed on humans. They should have nuked the bridge and taken off, or gotten devoured by the zombies before the credits rolled. Still a lot of fun, though.

― recovering optimist (Royal Bed Bouncer), Thursday, 8 December 2005 18:29 (twenty years ago)

The movie gave me an extra-terrifying zombie nightmare with elements of 'Spirited Away.'

The PC game of it had two hours or so of playing time...a real disappointment. Not everything can be 'Tron 2.0' tho.

― Abbott (Abbott), Friday, 9 December 2005 00:04 (twenty years ago)

dissapointment of the year

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:29 (twenty years ago)

Check out the Dead Rising videos on teamxbox. Holy crap.

― adam (adam), Friday, 9 December 2005 02:48 (twenty years ago)

four weeks pass...

Just saw this today. It fucking rules!

Was the Simon Pegg zombie actually meant to look like Al Bundy, or is this just a coincidence?

― M Carty (mj_c), Sunday, 8 January 2006 20:08 (twenty years ago)

I wanted the zombies to win soundly.

― David R. (popshots75`), Sunday, 8 January 2006 20:33 (twenty years ago)

Ditto. I had a pretty visceral reaction to the scene of the people living in luxury in the mall.

― Chris F. (servoret), Monday, 9 January 2006 02:20 (twenty years ago)

The scene in the beginning where the head zombie's watching his "friends" get mowed down kinda choked me up! (I'm so emo.)

Didn't notice Pegg Zombie, but I did see Savini Zombie's rampage.

― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 9 January 2006 02:30 (twenty years ago)

Just finished: It was pretty bright for a zombie movie and made my girl freak out a lot, so score!

― Forksclovetofu (Forksclovetofu), Monday, 9 January 2006 03:27 (twenty years ago)

did it all have to be done at night time though?

― Ste (Fuzzy), Monday, 9 January 2006 09:49 (twenty years ago)

noticed Land Of The Dead / Shaun Of The Dead double dvd box thing in town today. had a bit of a wtf? moment but then realised it'll be cheaper than me buying both individually

― koogs (koogs), Monday, 9 January 2006 13:50 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

That was quite nice, even if the social commentary was a teeny bit heavyhanded. I was quite impressed by the Hawksian ensemble, particularly Asia Argento and Robert Joy (!) as the scarred sharpshooter. (Too bad Leguizamo didn't get any funny lines til "I always wanted to see how the other half lives.") Was expecting Big Daddty to give a Peter Boyle-style Young Frankenstein speech at the end, though.

(And I'm sorry -- you STILL gotta shoot the zombies at the end.)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 February 2006 14:34 (twenty years ago)

The movie did scare me. I forgot to shift into third gear on the freeway as I drove home from the theatre because it haunted my mind. "So scary, it almost ruined my engine!"

― Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 27 February 2006 22:43 (twenty years ago)

Ranking the Deads:

1. Day
2. Night
3. Dawn
4. Land

But they're all pretty great.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:20 (twenty years ago)

I forgot how great this thread started out.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:24 (twenty years ago)

HILARIOUSLY.

― Abbott (Abbott), Monday, 27 February 2006 23:30 (twenty years ago)

1. Night
2. Dawn
3. Land
4. Day

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 00:18 (twenty years ago)

1. Night/Dawn (tied)
3. Day
4. Land

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 00:22 (twenty years ago)

what alex said

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 02:53 (twenty years ago)

1.Night
2.Dawn remake
3. Dawn
4. Day
5. Land

― Erick Dampier is better than Shaq (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 02:59 (twenty years ago)

THIS IS FASCINATING

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 03:45 (twenty years ago)

haha more interesting than this shitty movie at least

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 03:53 (twenty years ago)

The shitty movie 2004 or the original?

― Abbott (Abbott), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 04:37 (twenty years ago)

land

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 04:40 (twenty years ago)

I like s1ocki's tenative mixed reaction 2005 better than the frothing dismissal 2006.

― Eric H. (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 04:44 (twenty years ago)

i knew i'd get called on that

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 04:44 (twenty years ago)

anyway my opinion aged like a fine melty cheese

― s1ocki (slutsky), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 04:45 (twenty years ago)

I lol'd at "let's flee up north to Canada" after Robert Joy and Simon Baker had emerged from the Pittsburgh subway, played by the Toronto subway.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 February 2006 14:22 (twenty years ago)

eleven years pass...

Land of the Dead is pretty dope, on rewatch

― Neanderthal, Thursday, 3 August 2017 00:01 (eight years ago)

six years pass...

Day of the Dead would be much grebter if it was only the first 20 minutes and the last 30

― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 21:47 (one year ago)

I don't really find Bub to be interesting because who gaf about the behavioral conditioning of human behaviors in a dead thing that used to be human, like...if you get a cow to do calisthenics come find me

― Iacocca Cola (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 11 June 2024 21:48 (one year ago)

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