London Boroughs and which one is good to live in?

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I'm moving to London in 4 - 6 weeks, and spent the weekend looking at places in Tuffnell Park, Crouch End, Turnpike Lane and Stoke Newington.

Crouch End was the best. Where else is worth looking at?

I need a 2 bedroom place paying £800 p/m max (i.e £400 p/m for each room - exclusive of bill). Good tube/buses. Nice neighbourhoods w/ nice restaurants and parks.

― Tannenbaum Schmidt (Nik), Monday, 1 August 2005 10:53 (twenty years ago)

mods: duplicate post - pls delete one

― Tannenbaum Schmidt (Nik), Monday, 1 August 2005 10:54 (twenty years ago)

i'm moving into a 2 bed place in a week in hackney got it for less than £800pcm. it's a really nice flat too and east london is good.

― stelf)xxxx, Monday, 1 August 2005 10:57 (twenty years ago)

crouch end (and hackney) not good for tube, if you like tube.

― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 11:00 (twenty years ago)

Crouch End is the spiritual home of ILX if that helps.

When you say London Boroughs, do you mean administrative areas? Crouch End is (mainly) in Harringey, as is Turnpike Lane. Tufnell Park is in Islington (Yes? Though some bits might Camden border), and Stoke Newington is mainly Hackney (though Islington Border in places).

The key question I would say may well be transport. Crouch End is not on the tube, nor is Stoke Newington, but if you know where you are going then the right bus will be availible.

I live in Crocuh End, which should not sway you in the slightest.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:01 (twenty years ago)

Pete OTM, Crouch End is a nightmare transport-wise.

― tissp! (the impossible shortest specia), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

stelfx i'm looking for exactly the same thing as you in pretty much the same area (would prefer Clapton tho) - any tips?

Nik, have you considered South London at all? I would if my place of work was more central, as much as North (or East or West).

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:05 (twenty years ago)

Now now, nightmare is pushing it a touch. I like buses, and I live on a Crouch End bus route which makes my commute simplicity itself. And being bus pass boy is much cheaper than using the tube, so not really a problem.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:09 (twenty years ago)

The London Borough of Lambeth is not recommended.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:15 (twenty years ago)

TufPk is (alas) more Islington than Camden, the tube station is on the border. (Camden side tends to be called Kentish Town, Dartmouth Park, etc.) It's a decent area, but you're pretty much reliant on the tube if you want to be heading into the city, the buses are west-end centric. + it's hell getting to/back from East London.

― spontine (cis), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

Steve's advice about choosing somewhere based on a tolerable commute, assuming you are to commute, is good. Sometimes this is a bit counter-intuitive, e.g. it's much easier and quicker for me to get from my home in Peckham Rye to Kensington (on the rare occasions I wish to go there) than it is for me to get to Wapping, though Wapping's much closer.

Pete's insistence that the absence of tube is not necessarily a disaster also makes sense. The overground railway tends to play a substantial, and substantially happy, part in the lives of many who live in South London.

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

Tuffnell Park, Crouch End, Turnpike Lane and Stoke Newington.

i quite like all these places, for varying reasons

you say you need to be near tube though, which writes off crouchend and stokenewington. tufnell park may be a bit pricey? turnpike lane is quite rough and ready, and im not sure theres any nice parks there

what about finsbury park or archway? whitechapel might be good, but again, not sure about the parks. stratford?

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:22 (twenty years ago)

where will you be working? might be the key question here.

― charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)

I remember trying to explain the existence of South London to a New York friend of mine: "no no no just because you can't see it on the tube map, it's still there! lots of it! they just have buses and trains and stuff instead."

― spontine (cis), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

It never occurred to me that being near a park would be important to me, but now my flat overlooks a park and I absolutely love it.

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:24 (twenty years ago)

finsbury park area is a good call as it's generally cheaper than crouch end and much closer to the tube, although crouch end is far from a transport nightmare. about 10 mins on the w7 and you're at finsbury park station, that's all.

― lauren (laurenp), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

My flat overlooks Streatham Common, with a panoramic view of Croydon and the beginnings of the North Downs just behind it. But it's Streatham, so looks aren't everything. You can get a bus anywhere from there, though, if you're not fussy.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:27 (twenty years ago)

Walthamstow is worth considering if you don't mind being a little further out - good tube/train/bus links and decent enough places that are in your price range.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:30 (twenty years ago)

streatham has a nice bowling alley with friendly staff

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:32 (twenty years ago)

there were some interesting looking restaurants in bethnal green that i saw. and it has a tube, and you can get to the city quite easily.

don't know about prices though, and the neighbourhood isn't really that amazing. also bethnal green road for some reason smelled of poo at random intervals last night.

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

archway and tufnell park are basically the same thing, only archway has better transport links to east london.

― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 11:36 (twenty years ago)

You'll be saying archway and highgate are the same thing next!

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:39 (twenty years ago)

and here's me thinking that highgate was just the posh end of brent cross...

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

it's all much of a muchness, whatever that means. but t-park and archway (and -- hey -- kentish town) are basically the same.

― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 11:40 (twenty years ago)

'highgate', except for the actual village bit, is a fiction.

― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

Mile End may actually be the nicest area between Whitechapel and Stratford. Between Mile End Road and Roman Road we stumbled upon some nice houses and pubs. Lots of old, charming buildings here and there, curious Mile End park split up into narrow segments by the Regents canal and seems okay.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:41 (twenty years ago)

The overground railway tends to play a substantial, and substantially happy, part in the lives of many who live in South London.

Yup. I suggest Wandsworth, though you might have to argue your case against the edgy East Londoners and the head-in-the-sand North Londoners who pretend South London doesn't exist. Lowest council tax in Britain, too, if that's a help.

― Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:51 (twenty years ago)

Wandsworth is a good call, esp. by the Common. Clapham/Tooting/Balham don't seem bad either - just depends how far south you'd be willing to go.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 1 August 2005 11:54 (twenty years ago)

it's okay, mark, you can have wandsworth *and* no-one from up north will call you names (lest our mouths fill up with sand).

― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

xpost: oi, we know south london exists, we just don't like to talk about it in polite company.

That's bobbins, N_RQ! Parts of Tufnell Park might as well be Kentish Town, I'll grant that, but not Archway. As for Highgate... well, the tube station isn't in Highgate, it's somewhere else entirely, but just because it's about five places loosely linked together doesn't make it a fiction.

Thinking of down Finsbury Park way, I'm still pretty fond of Manor House & the Seven Sisters road in general; the greengrocers' (argh where apostrophe? greengrocer's'?) etc are really, really good.

― spontine (cis), Monday, 1 August 2005 12:07 (twenty years ago)

i dunno where or why you'd draw a line between archway and t-park. it's all just houses and roads, at the end of the day.

― N_RQ, Monday, 1 August 2005 12:10 (twenty years ago)

These are my personal choices, looking for a 2 bed flat:

Clapton (Upper, Common)
Stamford Hill
Hackney (Downs, London Fields, NOT Homerton or Wick)
Kentish Town
Archway/Upper Holloway
Highbury (parallel west of Newington Green)
Dalston (parallel east of Newington Green)

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 1 August 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

steve - mail me at dav£st£lf0x at yahoo dot co dot uk - i'm moving to clapton, near the lea valley nature reserve and have good tips for you. also might perhaps be thinking of taking in a flatmate - maybe... anyone know good ways of doing this?

― stelf)xxxx, Monday, 1 August 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

moveflat.com

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 1 August 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

London Borough of Ealing is the best. Though, I doubt very much if you'd get a two bedroom place for £800 per month, unless you wanted to live somewhere like Northolt. You would have an RAF base nearby though, if you like spotting planes.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 1 August 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

Lived in Tooting for 2 yrs now, really like it - great food, bustling, affordable, good transport, near the edge of London for getting away from it, pretty friendly, pubs mostly awful but I can go elsewhere for that.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 1 August 2005 15:35 (twenty years ago)

there's this place in tooting that has a 350" screen for showing sports

― ken c (ken c), Monday, 1 August 2005 15:39 (twenty years ago)

but it's only half a foot wide.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 1 August 2005 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Stevem, there are some good ones on Moveflat.

― suzy (suzy), Monday, 1 August 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

They're almost all shares though, and the ones that aren't are too pricey or not available at the right time.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 1 August 2005 15:49 (twenty years ago)

Anyone know anything about council tax? Say, if you were renting a 2 bed flat for around £1000 per month, how do they calculate council tax? My future plans could hinge on this.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 1 August 2005 15:52 (twenty years ago)

depends how big the property is doesnt it? floorspace wise. a 2 bedroom flat could vary greatly in how much floorspace there is.

is it just a british thing to talk about places to live purely in terms of bedrooms and not to have any idea of m2 or anything? like in europe/america it seems standard to talk about flast and stuff in terms of how big they are actually. i got laughed at in spain when i said that i had no idea how big my flat was actually, and couldnt even hazrad a guess.

― ambrose (ambrose), Monday, 1 August 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Westminster has the cheapest council tax, if that makes a difference to you. My sister live Maida Vale/Kensal Green/Queens Park way and is quite nice. (interesting fact, you need 7 pieces of ID to get a parking permit in westminster, also the blood of 7 virgins)

― Ed (dali), Monday, 1 August 2005 17:13 (twenty years ago)

None of the estate agents I dealt with when I ended up buying my current flat had any idea when I tried to talk about square-footage.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 1 August 2005 17:45 (twenty years ago)

how can someone even have 7 pieces of id?

many xposts: I'll hopefully be working in Chancery Lane;

2 of my friends live within walking distance of each other in Stoke Newington, so I'm tempted to move there; buses seem to get you Liverpool St in 25min so would work.

Turnpike Lane - I wasnt too impressed with - even if the Cyprus Potato Marketing Board and a cool Polish food shop are locate there

Crouch End doesnt seem too much of hassle transport wise - got bus to Turnpike Lane which took 7 mins.

I basically looking at areas whose names I like the sound off (or have heard on St Etienne songs) - Maida Vale is one to look at the next time;

Previously lived really central and dont foresee any benefit in it given the rate/room size axis in prev places in Bayswater, nr. Baker St and Gt. Portland St.

No one I personally know has recommended South London; although Dulwich seemed okay. Other than that I only know Kingston which is too far.

― Tannenbaum Schmidt (Nik), Monday, 1 August 2005 17:59 (twenty years ago)

Tuffers has the huge advantage of being five minutes walk from the greatest urban park in the world (probably), Hampstead Heath.

― chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Monday, 1 August 2005 19:28 (twenty years ago)

though do not dare to picnic in hampstead heath for said picnic is likely to be snatched brutally by a HORRIBLE DOG with a THICKO OWNER

when we were driving back from the funeral it was the first time i'd ever travelled into london from the east and it was like a Bizarro version of the much more familiar (to me) western approach. Going through Newbury Park, Gants Hill etc. was EXACTLY like coming in via Greenford and Perivale - almost symmetrical in structure. Didn't exactly capture my imagination, though, and mark s expressed astonishment that anyone would want to undertake such a dull & massive commute every day.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 06:55 (twenty years ago)

the east -- beyond the fashionable east, beyond the grimey east -- is fkn HUGEness.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 07:38 (twenty years ago)

London council tax seems really cheap to me - my band B bill is about the same as the average London band D bill. You should of seen the look of horror on my friends faces when i told them how much i paid (even with the 25% discount). I suppose my mortgage payment is a 1/4 of what they pay per month in rent so it all balances out.

― leigh (leigh), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

(Henry xpost)

I noticed that when we drove out of London. With the Newham docks, Tilbury etc. close at hand, and the day's general greyness, it literally did look like the ends of the earth, a terminal terminus - you can understand why Iain Sinclair's into it so much, with the Procter & Gamble factory, Carfax Abbey and so on.

The really weird thing was how so much of east London (i.e. Commercial Road/East India Dock Road/A13) looked like the Lanarkshire I knew from 30 years ago; blocks of flats in the same strange colour schemes (lime green and salmon pink?), chintzy, down-at-heel shopping malls in Poplar (Kenny's Pop-In sounds exactly like the kind of shop you would have got in Bellshill or Craigneuk), the imposing but boarded up Limehouse Public Library, the gigantic art deco Seaman's Mission. Whereas if you come in from the A40/west London end (as I did for the best part of 20 years) the first thing that instinctively comes to mind is: Richard Briers. Different world altogether, if a strangely parallel one.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:33 (twenty years ago)

Oops please excuse my poor grammar in the last post.

― leigh (leigh), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:35 (twenty years ago)

You would have an RAF base nearby though, if you like spotting planes.

Mooro does.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:42 (twenty years ago)

theres lots of emptyness and places to investigate in the further east (and much of the closer east also). the bus from city airport to canary wharf twists and turns to such a degree you lose all sense of direction. odd empty roads with bricks strewn around, and poles. theres a great ex-nightclub somewhere near poplar, just to the east of it, but i cant remember the name, and i cant quite work out why it is

also, the dlr east to beckton is good, it becomes like an alpine railway, twisting and turning again

the king george v extension. is that ready yet?

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

Maida Vale is horrifically expensive, no?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:44 (twenty years ago)

CHeapness of London council tax = a very unusual conversation (except in Wandsworth & Westminster).

Andrew = no. Not necessarily (though there are parts of Kilburn which call themselves Maida Vale/Queen's Park which ain't).

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

I grew up right next to that RAF Base. I even had to deliver newspapers there when I had a paper round - it was exciting when they let you in through the big gates, though the risk of being chased by large hungry dogs for the privilege loomed large.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

george V extension opening decmeber this year, they are already testing I think.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:46 (twenty years ago)

odd empty roads with bricks strewn around, and poles

oh the romance!

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

i just got sniped out of a 2bed on deptford high street for £720p/m, GRRRRRRR READY FI DEAD.

tsk sigh shd i at least look at north london? it makes me vaguely ill to think about it

― hold tight the private caller (mwah), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

canary wharf is only the beginning of the east...

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:51 (twenty years ago)

I live in Tufnell Park - but don't let that put you off! I used to live at Turnpike Lane, but now I think it's too far away from town and a bit grubby. Tuffers is near (i.e. walking distance) lots of places and it only takes you about 40 mins to walk to the centre of London.

(On top of old) Stokey is nice but I don't understand the transport to and from there. Crouch End's a bit snooty for the likes of me, guv'nor.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 08:54 (twenty years ago)

Stokey is a lot nicer than it's made out to be - well OK, a bit nicer - plus there's the high probability of bumping into a leading London-based improvising musician when out doing the shopping, as they all seem to live round there.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

why do people think crouch end is posh??? i've been there a few times. it has very big houses. to be honest, i stand by and extend my 'all of north london is exactly the same' argument. 'tuffers' (not a word without snooty connotations) is better connected than crouch end, but is otherwise identical: tube station, shops, pubs, restaurants, houses.

my dispshit boss lives in stokey.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 09:01 (twenty years ago)

Of course, you can go and see some hawt improv action at Ryans in Stokey. But those Red Rose improv kidz is a hop, skip 'n' a jump from Tuffers!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 09:05 (twenty years ago)

live in stamdford hill just above safeways, and you avoid high stokey prices

SN is liek the bus capital of london! you can reach euston, victoria, waterloo, london bridge and liverpool st FFS. except some of them have to crawl down klingsland rd. i realyl like ti round there.

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 09:12 (twenty years ago)

Stamford Hill is "On Top of Old Stokey", quide liderally!

― Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 09:14 (twenty years ago)

In seven and a half years as a Londoner I've only lived south of the river but the chunk of Norf London yr interested in has always appealed. It does seem a little bit uppity of pricee (Bahama-de-dee) - certainly your rent money goes further down here in the Tubeless hinterlands and there's a lot more to SExx than Dull Itch.

Hampstead Heath is wonderful but, generally speaking, there's far more parkland in the south once you're beyond the decaying high-rises of Elephant & Walworth. The overground trains are pretty good and if you live near a bus hub, you're laughing. SW London is well-served by three Underground lines, of course.

If you want good restaurants, parkland, stunning views of the city/Kent and affordable rent, come to Crystal Palace. 40min on a good day to Holborn on the X68, walk to Chancery Lane. (Cries of dissent from numerous ILXors..."But it took us weeks to get to your place..."). See also: Forest Hill, Peckham Rye, Nunhead, Herne Hill, Camberwell Grove/Denmark Hill, all your various Dulwichs, Greenwich, Blackheath, Brockley/Hilly Fields, Honor Oak...

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 09:17 (twenty years ago)

Streatham doesn't have a tube but is the bus capital of South London - you can get buses to Euston, King's Cross, Sloane Square, Liverpool Street, London Bridge, Kingston, Croydon and Clapham (Common and Junction) and trains to Victoria, Gatwick and Brighton. The only problem is: it's Streatham.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

Al and I are thinking of moving this fall to a cheaper part of town. Now that I don't work out in West London and bike to work in Borough, we can live anywhere! Is it that easy to find a flat in good condition in Hackney Downs/London Fields area? My little experience when I have looked in 'cheaper' areas is that the flats just look like rot.

― marianna (mariannapm), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 09:28 (twenty years ago)

Tell me about Highbury. I suppose, the area bordered by Highbury New Park to the E, Mountgrove Road/Gillespe Road to the N, the railway line to the W and... some imaginary line running E-W from the N tip of Highbury fields.

Excluding anything further to the N of this area due to grimness (eg Blackstock Road is horrible), and anything to the south due to cost (and grimness of a different nature).

― Soap, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

nothing around there is entirely grim. there are extremely pricey properties up by the arsenal stadium.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

Nick Hornby lives there = GRIM

― Danperryismus (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

Is it that easy to find a flat in good condition in Hackney Downs/London Fields area?

precious few from what i've found but depends on your budget. if you can do £250pw or more then you can get nice new places round there.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:30 (twenty years ago)

Nick Hornby lives there = GRIME

Coming up: Hornby on the Lethal Bizzle album and how it reminds him of, I don't know, Jim Dale kissing Joan Sims in Watford in, like, you know, 1971.

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:31 (twenty years ago)

Dido lives round there too. I wonder if her and Nick Hornby go to the same dinner parties. What a horrible thought.

― chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

actually highbury is totally posh, i was hedging my bets!

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:40 (twenty years ago)

Clapton (on Walthamstow marshes) currently has a field of cows on loan from Waltham Abbey. Their agent is trying to tie up a permanent deal.

You can get a camera shot of the cows with the Isle of Dogs and the Gerhkin in the background. Juxtawotsit.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

Excluding anything further to the N of this area due to grimness (eg Blackstock Road is horrible

?????

it carries on being posh north of gillespie road! chatterton, plimsoll, avenell, ambler, st johns, wilberforce, fpark road, all very leafy!

― charltonlido (gareth), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:15 (twenty years ago)

I sometimes wonder if any of these people have ever been to London. Ditto with the wot Gareth said.

Poshness/non-poshness I think is usually rated by the number of "ugly 60's council flats" in the area. Some of those are lovely to actually live in.

Mike is right about Crystal Palace though: when I was down there a few weeks ago I actually started thinking about moving sarf of the river - wot I NEVER think.

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:27 (twenty years ago)

i lived at gants hill, once. they had a domino's pizza near one of the tube station entrances (two entrances on each roundabout exit i think) it was the first time i lived in london, and i used to walk in and out of those tunnels thinking "wow this place is sooo london!".

so i have fond memories of it, despite the greyness

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:34 (twenty years ago)

ken yr from milton keynes?!?!?! (not related).

the area to the immediate west of highbury new park is v nice and damn expensive. my brother lives there (except he doesnt). its got incredlby expenive cheese shops and delis on highbury grove. also, the number 4 bus which takes you to nearly chancery lane. actually, it doesnt really. the best thing to do it, look at all the bus routes that come out of chancery lane/holborn area, then work backwardds. plan your life around transport. but i would say that. bus pass is £X per week as opposed to tube pass, where 'X' used to = 9 but is porb 10 or something now. but cheaper

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 13:51 (twenty years ago)

Chancery Lane buses: 8, 17, 25, 45, 46, 205, 242, 341.
Basically a short walk to Chancery Lane buses: 19, 38, 55, 63, 243.

Most of those buses go to East End locations with nice, cheap housing, some via Islington and others via Liverpool Street, apart from 55 which is via Old Street. The 46 is an unreliable little bastard but it goes to Kentish Town and Hampstead via a pretty uncluttered back way but anything on that route is likely to be very expensive, apart from the NW5/NW3 borders.

I'd personally go for Bethnal Green over Stokey because of good transport links and cheap cheap food.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

38 is a routemaster until oct

you migh want to bear that in mind too.

― ambrose (ambrose), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

haha how did you know i'm from mk ambrose?!?!??

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:32 (twenty years ago)

Gants Hill is the Hangar Lane of the East.

Are they keeping ANY Routemasters? For the rest of this year at least?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:41 (twenty years ago)

What are the ramifications of a bus being or not being a routemaster?

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

but hanger lane is nothing like gants hill!!!!

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)

Yes it is.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:44 (twenty years ago)

What are the ramifications of a bus being or not being a routemaster?

Routemasters are less combustible

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

no ramifications unless the bus travels through oxford street or other busy roads, in those cases it's nice to be able to jump on and off at non-busstop places.

otherwise death trap!

xpost explain

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

Routemasters are the old school buses with platforms on the back and conductors. They inspire a great deal of nostalgic affection in many Londoners.

xxpost

― chap who would dare to thwart the revolution (chap), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:45 (twenty years ago)

Another thing about Londoners: they will never use just one punctuation mark where four or five will do.....

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

What are the ramifications of a bus being or not being a routemaster?
-- Andrew Farrell (afarrel...), August 2nd, 2005.

haha, no idea -- but apparently it's very important indeed.

iirc you can't use oyster cards on 'em. convenient!

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

Ah right, swinging London, nice one.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:47 (twenty years ago)

rjg is not a londoner!!!!

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:48 (twenty years ago)

You can use Oystercards on Routemasters - all the conductors' machines can read them.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

swinging london: when our parents' generation spent valuable hours commuting through insanely overcrowded streets in nostalgia-inducing motor-vehicles to tedious admin jobs in central london.

xpost really? haha i sonned them then.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:51 (twenty years ago)

Why do people keep saying 'sonned'?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:56 (twenty years ago)

they were in AOL beef

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:57 (twenty years ago)

What does it mean?

― Vicious Cop Kills Gentle Fool (Dada), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

You rarely need to use your Oystercard on a Bendy Bus, even when getting on the front doors facing the driver. You can just say 'don't worry chief (they like being called chief), I'll bleep it further down the bus".

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

I'd like to know too, Sociah. I keep thinking I'm seeing my last name everywhere.

― sgs (sgs), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

i just find 'sonned' catchy. i dunno. on my bus i say, if i beep this, will you promise not to allow any crazy knife-murderers on?

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

or just not show your oyster card at all. he'll just assume you have a paper based card.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 14:59 (twenty years ago)

Meanwhile a Mrs Glennys Pwner of Caerphilly remains baffled by concept of modern interweb.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:00 (twenty years ago)

(haha!)

― sgs (sgs), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:01 (twenty years ago)

yo is it true vordul got sonned by a wite kid after a aol beef??????

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 2 August 2005 15:03 (twenty years ago)

Ken, Gants Hill is in Essex. Just. A visit to Faces nightclub will confrm this.

I think the boundary is the river Roding between Gants Hill and Redbridge.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 07:25 (twenty years ago)

Hi Dere! I've just spent five days without internet access while I moved from Crouch End to Walthamstow, but now I feel a burning desire to leap onto this post long after everything worth saying has been said.

I'm moving to London in 4 - 6 weeks, and spent the weekend looking at places in Tuffnell Park, Crouch End, Turnpike Lane and Stoke Newington.
Crouch End was the best. Where else is worth looking at?

I need a 2 bedroom place paying £800 p/m max (i.e £400 p/m for each room - exclusive of bill). Good tube/buses. Nice neighbourhoods w/ nice restaurants and parks.

Of those, Crouch End is the best, but you won't find a two bedroom flat for £800 a month. We paid more than that for a crappy one bedroom flat. I lived in Turnpike Lane for a while too, but didn't like it. I know lots of people who live in Tufnell (one f!) Park / Kentish Town - the streets are nice but the shops are shite.

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Wednesday, 3 August 2005 13:02 (twenty years ago)

Aaaaaahhh... after last night I've decided I want to move to Herne Hill. It is so PRETTY!!! All those up and down hilly streets with pointy Victorian houses. And Brockwell Park!

It's probably expensive though, isn't it?

― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 4 August 2005 06:39 (twenty years ago)

Herne Hill's not wildly expensive, but it's not wildly cheap either. I really like it there, though it's a shame they spoiled The Commericial.

I still say Peckham Rye's nicer than Brockwell Park, but then I would, wouldn't I?

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 4 August 2005 07:44 (twenty years ago)

Yes, but I hear there are angels in the leaves in the mulberry bushes on Peckham Rye. I'm not having any of that Blakian nonsense in my local!

Perhaps on Saturday I'll walk up there and poke my nose in some estate agents and see what the price range is.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 4 August 2005 07:54 (twenty years ago)

Peckham Rye is cited in The Prisoner whereas Brockwell Park is not:

"Oh really? And what was her name before she left Peckham Rye to join the Bolshoi Ballet?"

― Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Thursday, 4 August 2005 07:59 (twenty years ago)

"The Ballad of Brockwell Park" would be a rubbish book.

In "The Ballad of Peckham Rye" the claim is made that Boudica committed suicide on Peckham Rye. Can anyone confirm? Or deny?

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:05 (twenty years ago)

I think it is as true as the idea that she is buried on Hampstead Heath. Or under track 10 of Kings Cross.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:11 (twenty years ago)

Herne Hill properties: http://www.findaproperty.com/area.aspx?areaid=0410&opt=prop&salerent=0&sp=0

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:12 (twenty years ago)

Thanks, Rick! Wow, that seems no worse than Upper Streatham in terms of price. And the houses are prettier! Plus, I would like to live on Milkwood Rd. But only if I could live in a basement, heh. (Emsk and I laughed like drains over this last night but in the cold sober light of morning it does not seem to amusing.)

― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:15 (twenty years ago)

(Plus it is called Herne Hill, which reminds me of the Herne's Head in Central Park, which we decided was the name of the weird headress thing that Peter Murphy wears in the Mask video. Yes, the world of property is weird indeed, I have discovered this kind of logic is viewed as perfectly sensible in housebuying.)

― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:18 (twenty years ago)

Plus, Herne is apparently a pagan god of deer, so I wouldn't mind living on his hill!

(The bus went past a huge Witherspoons at the top of the hill which looked like a coaching inn. Interesting and bears further investigation.)

― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:20 (twenty years ago)

http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/england/images/herne.jpg
Resident of Herne Hill, yesterday.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)

I think it is as true as the idea that she is buried on Hampstead Heath. Or under track 10 of Kings Cross.

Thanks Kate! I'll take that as confirmation that it's true!

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:22 (twenty years ago)

How can she be burried in two places at once? Unless it was the Celtic practise of separating the head from the body for different burials.

Acoutrements for the well-appointed house in Herne Hill:

http://www.norwichmoot.paganearth.com/pictures/hernehead192144.jpg

― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:24 (twenty years ago)

When Ed and I were going through Herne Hill and Tulse Hill it looked very pretty - I can't remember which station approach had the lovely Caribbean takeaway and the sprawling ivy-covered cafe full of interesting cappucino drinkers but it was all very enticing in the summer sun.

There seems to be an area of Herne Hill called Poet's Corner with nice, cheaper flats.

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh no, I'm not having any poets in my neighbourhood. Pagan gods, yes. Poets are disreputable and bring the property values down.

(Oh wait, I'm trying to buy, not to sell. I want the property values to come down! Poets! Yes! Drinking and carousing and composing odes at all hours! No one else would want to live there!)

― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:27 (twenty years ago)

steve, how's the househunt going?

― stelf)xxxx, Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:48 (twenty years ago)

looked at two yesterday, one pretty lousy place on Clarence Road - def not living that close to the main station! The other place was by South Millfields but was too poorly designed and grubby.

so not v well! but i am being quite fussy and probably too idealistic.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:53 (twenty years ago)

There are several flats for sale in Riverside Close. Ours will joining them soon. Or are you looking for 2 beds?

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 4 August 2005 08:59 (twenty years ago)

1 bed only if my computer and attached paraphenalia will fit somewhere sensibly. This didn't look like being the case in an otherwise really nice place I looked at in Clapton on Monday.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 4 August 2005 09:09 (twenty years ago)

mikey, that's where i'm moving on monday

― stelf)xxxx, Thursday, 4 August 2005 09:20 (twenty years ago)

Steve, we're in a one bed flay (2nd floor) and there is loads of space in the living room for that sort of thing. We have about 800 books crammed into the flat and we still have room to eat and watch telly.

If you want to get an idea of these things (or just have a nose round) let me know. I'm not trying to flog our flat to you, just give you an idea of what space you'll get for your money etc. The flats around Riverside Close are always coming up for sale.

Stelfbloke, Where? Riv Close?

Not sure what exactly you're looking for, so not offended if you're not interested.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 4 August 2005 09:24 (twenty years ago)

I know I SHOULD be buying, but I'm only renting, gah.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 4 August 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)

I work for a mortgage broker. I have access to all kinds of crazy deals. I have no reason *not* to be buying. Except for the few months it will take me to save up a deposit.

― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 4 August 2005 09:34 (twenty years ago)

Many of the flats are rentable too. We've had some Polish and Lithuanians move in of late. Pretty girls!

You're reliant on the buses round there. The station only serves the Chingford to Liverpool Street line. Nearest tube is probably Walthamstow or Blackhorse Road (as the crow files).

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 4 August 2005 09:41 (twenty years ago)

Don't mention the crow files!

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Thursday, 4 August 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)

yeah mikey, that's my new manor! and the buses are good enough in that area to make living without the tube a very comfortable reality. i loved living in clapton before and always wanted a ranch near the river...

We've had some Polish and Lithuanians move in of late. Pretty girls!

wahey, hottt neighbours!

― stelf)xxx, Thursday, 4 August 2005 09:47 (twenty years ago)

The Lea Bridge roundabout is going to be a big bus stop once the 38 goes bendy and can't sleep behind Clapton Pond anymore.

This morning the river was beautiful in the August sunshine, full of yapping coots and the water so still. Well, apart from the motorbike parked under the surface.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 4 August 2005 10:51 (twenty years ago)

What's Holloway like? ("Lower", rather than the bit towards Archway). The 'Hillmarton Conservation Area', which I assume is an estate agent's invention - sounds pretty, but is it in reality? I guess it's the bit around the top end of Caledonian Road.

― clive (Clive), Thursday, 4 August 2005 11:44 (twenty years ago)

Looking at those prices for flats in Forest Hill, I think in 6 months time we will be moving to sarf london.

― marianna (mariannapm), Thursday, 4 August 2005 12:01 (twenty years ago)

(join usss.... join ussss......)

― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 4 August 2005 12:04 (twenty years ago)

Just looked at a place on Riverside Close! Love how close to the Lea it is, but concerned about distance to bus connections, shops...as nice as it would be to have the man like Stelf and the man like G for neighbours I think I have to pass...

...mainly cos I also viewed a flat near Clapton Pond earlier and all in all I think it's The One, subject to approval from the Goldie Lookin' (dubious terminology I grant thee), or something going annoyingly awry. If I do end up moving there I hope it's before they take the Routemaster 38 away forever.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 4 August 2005 13:41 (twenty years ago)

I did an archaeological dig at Clapton Pond for National Time Team Day (or something). One guy dug up a Roman coin. Me and the G woman were in the Hackney Gazette.

I like the new Havana's Cafe on Lower Clapton Road. Big photo montage of the 38 on the wall.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 4 August 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

Top end of Cally Road = quite civilised, aye. The Hillmarton Tandoori does decent curry also.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 4 August 2005 13:52 (twenty years ago)

I like Herne Hill - my former flatmate lived in a lovely house there, in a nice neighbourhood, and it was dead cheap*. Watch out for Tulse Hill though.

*this was like 6 years ago

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:20 (twenty years ago)

A friend lives in Herne Hill and loves it. I wouldn't want to live up too steep a road though - heavy going for staggering home drunk at night etc.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:31 (twenty years ago)

Living up a steep hill is good for losing weight, though!

― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

Hills are no good when you're wheeling a corpse home in a shopping trolley. Inefficient use of time which could better be spent disolving said body in a bath of acid.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:35 (twenty years ago)

::backs away slowly trying not to make any sudden moves::

― Masonic Boom (kate), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

He's a West Ham fan alright.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:42 (twenty years ago)

Herne Hill is smashing - I love that triangle of SE London bounded by Herne Hill/Denmark Hill to the west, Half Moon Lane/East Dulwich Grove to the south and Dog Kennel Hill to the east. It gets a fair bit fancier just beyond that zone too (Camberwell Grove, Dulwich Village).

It's just too expensive for our needs (edging into 3% stamp-duty territory). I expect we'll be staying in Palace (though we saw a lovely place on a wide, quiet, tree-lined street in Sydenham today...but where are all the shops?)...

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:50 (twenty years ago)

steve, seriously, riverside close is like 7 mins away from the buses but if u got a place on clapton pond, that's great. again it's like 7 mins away. when will you be moving? you can always drop over to my gaff and have a pint at the anchor and hope if you get a yen for the water...

― stef)xxx, Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

I'd only be 5-10 mins walk from the river at this other place anyway, but trying not to speak too soon with that (and failing it seems).

Some people were shooting a video as we drove down towards Riverside Close. I am hoping I was caught in shot and my face will pop up on Channel U.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 4 August 2005 14:58 (twenty years ago)

Hmm, lovely cafe in Springfield Park.

I tell ya, the River Lea in the mornings, shrouded in mist. Never seen anything like it in London before. Riverside Close to Lea Bridge Road bus stop = five minutes walk. Probably seven to Upper Clapton Road.

Not so sure about the Anchor & Hope though!

Can I emphasise that there are five cows on Walthamstow Marsh? Cheers.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

anchor and hope does a pint of fullers esb better than anywhere i've had in london and last time i was there i had a wicked conversation with a dude off the local estate about sizzla, dirty south hip hop and him and his mates phoning the river authority to make sure the dredgers didn't disturb the moorhens' nests. all in all, pretty much my perfect pub

― stelf)xxxx, Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

I might go there and attempt to tip them over. (xpost)

Not really, I LOVE cows. I do.

I want to go to the Anchor & Hope, esp. if they have Discovery

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

Too bad it's on the other side of the river as I would enjoy the prospect of said cows gingerly plodding into the beer garden, or indeed, actually inside the premises.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 4 August 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

About a year ago, I was walking to the bus stop along the river. Lots of police about and the area near the bridge by the Kings Head (now demolished) was cordoned off. I asked what was going on. "Body in the river mate." I could see this shadow just beneath the surface. "Do you want a closer look?" I didn't.

Luckily it didn't disturb the moorhens nest or there would have been uproar.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 5 August 2005 06:52 (twenty years ago)

The moorhens probably did the dirty deed themselves. Savage beasts.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 5 August 2005 08:38 (twenty years ago)

i think that Tannenbaum Schmidt should live somewhere on the 341 bus route. it's fairly reliable, runs all night, and will take him straight to work. newington green is probably a bit expensive, so i say live near manor house (there's lots of nice houses just south of the east corner of finsbury park), and that way you'll have bus, and tube when you want it, and only a 5 minute walk to finsbury park tube and shops and ROWANS.

and there'll be a bigass homebase just north of there open by the time you move, for all your moving-in necessities.

― colette (a2lette), Friday, 5 August 2005 09:25 (twenty years ago)

isn't there already a big Homebase just before Harringey Green Lanes? Or is that the one you meant and it's been refurbished or something?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 5 August 2005 09:29 (twenty years ago)

Ealing may be cinema-less in the near future :(

― jel -- (jel), Friday, 5 August 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

How is the White City complex coming on?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 5 August 2005 09:40 (twenty years ago)

White City Complex = Muslim Paranoia?

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Friday, 5 August 2005 10:17 (twenty years ago)

i've moved and am now neighbours with mikey, although we don't know what each other looks like. steve how's the househunting going?

― stelf)xxxx, Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

We're taking the Clapton Pond place! It's a first floor flat (Victorian conversion I think but might be a little more recent than that), two big bedrooms, decent sized living room, kitchen and bathroom with an L shaped landing linking them all, for under 800pcm. Holding deposit should go through today. can't move in until early October though. Actually I need to mail you again Dave to check something...

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

I'm often to be found sitting on the bench in the communal garden, drinking wine. But which block are you in? There are two communal gardens. We back onto the smaller one.

Good work, Steve and Stelfxxxx. I shall have to aquaint you with the Eclipse. Best pub for miles around. Big jukebox full of 60's soul. Sofas, candles, nice atmosphere. Not the normal Clapton boozer.

― Mikey G (Mikey G), Thursday, 11 August 2005 11:20 (nineteen years ago)

I like the Eclipse! I had my birthday party there. It is a very nice pub indeed.

(Funny, cause I'm from South London, but had my birthday party in Hackney. My friend, who lives in Hackney, is having her birthday party in Tulse Hill. Go figure.)

― Alce Tea-Skirt (kate), Thursday, 11 August 2005 11:33 (nineteen years ago)

Hooray Sociah. Sounds nice.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 11 August 2005 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

Just out of interest, how is 'Sociah' pronounced, you big ponce?

― Raston Warrior Robot (alix), Thursday, 11 August 2005 11:52 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's Sociah T as in 'society'.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 11 August 2005 12:12 (nineteen years ago)

I am embarrased that I'm just getting the joke now, I assumed the surname was some street version of asshole.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 11 August 2005 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

go ahead and mail me steve, i'm at work so will get it in a minute

― stelf)xxxx, Thursday, 11 August 2005 12:57 (nineteen years ago)

-- colette (a2lett...) (webmail), August 5th, 2005 11:25 AM. (a2lette) (later)

Thanks! I'm sure I went based that big Homebase when I last went to London. I'm down there again for a party in Stoke New'ton so will have a wander around.

As long as I can bike to my friends' in Stoke in less than 20 min, I'll be happy.

― Tannenbaum Schmidt (Nik), Thursday, 11 August 2005 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure I went based that big Homebase.....

I meant, I'm sure I went past that big Homebase...

― Tannenbaum Schmidt (Nik), Thursday, 11 August 2005 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...

Oh yes... revive. I have to move. Should I stay in Streatham, or move to Herne Hill or even Crystal Palace?

Or maybe even ::gasp:: fuck off entirely and move to Kent?

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

Move into Wandsworth borough. It's Tory-run and the services are ropey at best, but the council tax is half what it is in Merton and Lambeth.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

I do, however, have to keep within a borough in the cachement area for my treatment centre. I have discovered it's multi-borough and I know that Lambeth and Croydon and Southward are covered, but not sure about Wandsworth. Anyway, I'd rather go East than West.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

Go west. Life is peaceful there. As long as you don't mind the odd homophobic murder.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't wish living in the Home Counties on anyone.

― chap who would dare to violate the least amount of laws of physics (chap), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Barnet

― Munki (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

I was born in a Home County. I wish to die in one. I think I will make it my goal to move to a pretty little village in Kent by the time I'm 40. But it probably won't happen this year.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Monday, 17 October 2005 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

By which time there will be no pretty little villages left in the Kent Megatropolis.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

This makes me actually want to join the Countryside Alliance. But that's another story...

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

chiswick, any good?

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

beautiful but expensive and rather 'bourgeois' i suppose.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

If I were made of money, I'd live in Wandsworth, actually. But I'm only half made of money.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

I live in the Home Counties! It's nice here! And we're not all fox-hunting inbred toffs.

― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

But I'm only half made of money

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Oxford is NOT a Home County. I know it might as well be, but it is NOT.

― Paranoid Spice (kate), Monday, 17 October 2005 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

Just dropping in on this thread to let you all know that Harrow is shit, especially without so much as a bicycle. I don't really know what they were thinking having two malls right next to each other that have all of the same shops!! I would also bitch about the dreadful Northwick Park Hospital but it's actually in Brent so...

― tosser, Monday, 17 October 2005 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

I was born in Northwick Park Hospital

― Munki (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 October 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

and I went to school in Harrow

― Munki (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 October 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

what do I win?

― Munki (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 October 2005 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

The opportunity to have left that particular hospital alive, I'd suppose

(full disclosure: that rotting carcass of a building was all I saw out my bedroom window except for the new Wembley arch)

― tosser, Monday, 17 October 2005 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

oh hello. do you like canons park?

― Munki (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 October 2005 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

do you know fitness first in kingsbury? that used to be my gym.

do you remember that horrific murder in roe green park?

― Munki (nordicskilla), Monday, 17 October 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

There is something interesting in Kingsbury, believe it or not, but i've forgotten what it is now.

Northwick Park hospital remains the worst building I have ever seen in my life.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 18 October 2005 08:09 (nineteen years ago)

three months pass...

SHIT... I have to move.

I'm living in Archway, but was considering a place up around Finsbury Park. I've been to the music quiz at the Dairy on Stroud Green Rd, and that whole area doesn't seem too bad, but I don't know the area around the station itself.

Or maybe just Archway again. People seem to write off Archway, but you can get a real decent sized place for cheap.

― Mestema (davidcorp), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Stroud Green is nice, and fine when you get down near the station too. Crouch End, Crouch End/Crouch Hill if yo like the area. But if you don't mind Archway, I'd stay there, good value like you say.

― Pete (Pete), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

move to woolwich

― POOP BITCH (Mandee), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

crayzeh!

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 13 February 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

move to woolwich

Ah, the ferry and the foot tunnel and...old ships! W(h)oot!

But SE18 is fairly grim besides...

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

archway, i think i...love thee

― terry lennox. (gareth), Monday, 13 February 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah Stroud End Green's fine, I've got quite a few friends living round there. I'd probably favour Archway though, cos it's closer to a) town and b) Hampstead Heath.

― chap who would dare to be completely sober on the internet (chap), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

close to the meat.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Monday, 13 February 2006 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

Is Crouch End still crap for transport links?

― Lil' Eno (nordicskilla), Monday, 13 February 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

I *almost* movd there, back in...2001

― Lil' Eno (nordicskilla), Monday, 13 February 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

Anybody looking to sublet their flat (or just a room) for the month of August? Thought I'd ask here before hitting Gumtree etc.

― fields of salmon (fieldsofsalmon), Wednesday, 12 April 2006 04:05 (nineteen years ago)

eleven months pass...

ullo john got a new motor is there like in peckham?

― 600, Saturday, 24 March 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

by which i mean is there life in peckham?

― 600, Saturday, 24 March 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

there is life a couple of miles further out, in lewisham. my life, in fact. not really any nightlife to speak of, though.

― unfished business, Saturday, 24 March 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

You could dance in the shopping centre and call it art!

― Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 March 2007 10:31 (eighteen years ago)

I'm working in Brent at the moment. Don't live in Brent.

― chap, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

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