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That other thread is big and scary - like the GIANT ROBOT POLAR BEAR

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

(that wasn't a spoiler)

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

I watched the next episode on E4.

this show is addictive already

― Googley Asearch (Toaster), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

yeh i'm three episodes in too. probably gonna download the rest tho.

I was gripped by it because I haven't had a 'TV as EVENT' feeling like this since Dr Who which wasn't that long ago I know but when it's American it always feels bigger anyway.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

So yeah, what's officially a spoiler here? Anything not braodcast on C4 yet, or just not broadcast on E4?

― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

i'd avoid mentioning it if it hasn't been shown on C4 yet. we can bitch about what the bastards have cut this week after each show.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

I'm very confused by this cutting business. I mean, it's an hour long here and in America, right, and I can hardly believe we have more ads than they do. They surely can't cut much then?

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

apparently we are missing an entire character?

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha. no they just cut a few seconds of gore it seems.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

everyone's got freeview by now right? it's only 20 quid and you get pricedrop tv!
First three episodes were great.

And with regards to cutting: what was up with the pilot in the tree? presumably this scene was cut...

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

In the American version the polar bear actually does a big song and dance routine before he get shot.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

this would be the ideal thread to say: i am working evening! until the rest of the month! (unexpected night off tonight.) which means that to see the next few episodes i will need people's help! (i don't have a video machine and wouldn't know how to work it if i did, and my computer is too shitty to download entire tv programmes.) so, yeah, help?

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

Episode 1 was an hour, so was 3, but 2 was only 50 mins...

― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

OF COURSE I DON'T HAVE FREEVIEW STEVEM I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS EITHER!

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha, missing an entire character

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

what was up with the pilot in the tree? presumably this scene was cut...

this whole scene felt straight out of Predator so I am figuring something along the lines of that ("they skinned them?! why would they skin them?!"). God I love Predator...

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

Lex, if we succeed in torrenting these then it should be easy enough to get them onto an easy-to-use CD or DVD for you to watch on your PC.

― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

You can get the torrents at min1nova, or at least I did.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

that would be awesome jim. would they work in a dvd player as well?

i a) don't know how torrents work (in a surprise move), b) there's no hard drive space on my computer for tv programmes anyway.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

Not on a dvd player...unless you've got a new fancy korean jobby which plays Divx (you proably haven't). But you wouldn't need hard drive space, you could run the avi files from a DVD-ROM.

Alba, ace, thanks!

― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

I heard a radio show about the Fall lineup, and freaky & eerie is big, largely because of LOST... cool with me.

― andy --, Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

divx? avi? dvd-rom?

i am feeling useless.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

would they work in a dvd player as well?

The short answer is no. Depending on the format they come in, a few DVD players may be able to play them, but really you're looking at watching them on your computer, with a program like the (free) VLC player.

Don't worry about disk space though - you can just watch them right off the recorded CD or DVD withouth copying them to your PC.

x-post

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

So are we (the uk) missing out on enough goodies to bother with the ordeal of torrenting each episode? i mean, we'll get the gist of it cut or not, right?

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

I can think of one bit of serious gore, later on, that the might cut heavily in the wake of the London bombings (I'm guessing that's why they trimmed the pilot thing?), though by then it might be thought to be long enough for sensitivities to have dropped.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

I heard a radio show about the Fall lineup, and freaky & eerie is big, largely because of LOST

I thought you meant The Fall lineup for a minute there - ie Mark E Smith and whoever else is in the band these days.

― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:29 (nineteen years ago)

ok. how do i get a vlc player to watch them on my computer?

(i am currently reading the televisionwithoutpity.com recaps and have found myself unable to stop where tonight's episodes stopped. i think i'm going to end up reading the entire series ahead if i'm not careful.)

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

If they'd based Charlie's character on Mark E.Smith rather than [spoiler refrained from] it would have been much better.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

It seemed entertaining enough

― Matt (Matt), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

how do i get a vlc player to watch them on my computer?

I'll be able to stick it on the same disc, you'll be fine.

Hey, I could get some John Wayne films for you too, if you like?

― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

Lex - you can download VLC for free here. You might not even need it - it's possible something you already have on your PC will play the files OK. But VLC is great. You can watch Region 1 DVDs on it and stuff too.

― Alba (Alba), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

that would be lovely jim (the vlc thing, not the john wayne films).

i have never watched a dvd or film or tv thing on my computer before! this is a step into the unknown and tremendously exciting. i only have windows media on it.

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

the torrent i got of the second half of the series has japanese subtitles! :-(

it's not done any harm so far tho.

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

why aren't we talking about the polar bear?!? THERE WAS A GODDAMN POLAR BEAR!! IN THE MIDDLE OF THE JUNGLE!!

i watched the first three episodes (downloaded) when they aired in the states. and the one thing that's really been bugging me is the polar bear. that's the main reason i've been excited by lost coming to c4. i finally get to find out why there was a polar bear on the fucking island. although, i won't be surprised if there is no reason given especially if the show gets weird(er).

come on kids. let's do some polar bear speculation!

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is going to be enormous fun to lurk on.

― Truckdrivin' Buddha (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:55 (nineteen years ago)

Well a REAL polar bear couldn't survive for long in the jungle so either:
it's not a real polar bear
it's not a real jungle
it had only just arrived

and it was making the same noises as the mystery monster so i think it is a 50 foot tall polar bear

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

I liked it in a minor character-tastic way because both Agent Tom Baker from '24' and Augustus from 'Oz' are in it.

I missed the polar bear and the gun bits because I was outside, smoking.

Was quite disturbed at the beginning when the doctor gave up resuscitating the unconscious black woman in order to save the pretty blonde woman when the plane's wing started collapsing on her. Though maybe the unconscious woman was dead already. Still, it said something nasty on an almost subliminal level.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 10 August 2005 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

SHE STARTED BREATHING WERE YOU PICKING YOUR NOSE?

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 August 2005 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

daniel dae-kim is my favourite minor character-tastic actor ever. he does just seem to pop up as a guest star in everything. go ddk!!

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Thursday, 11 August 2005 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

let's do some polar bear speculation!

Well, what's the geography? Flying from australia to (somewhere in the US?), six (?) hours into the flight they turn towards Fiji instead, then come down 1000 (?) miles off course. Where's that then? Surely we can work it out. And which pole do polar bears hang out at?

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 11 August 2005 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

We were thinking it was something to do with the Bermuda Triangle, but that's nowhere near Fiji, is it?

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Thursday, 11 August 2005 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

they're somewhere in the south pacific. nowhere near bermuda. (home of the triangle) nowhere near the arctic (home of the polar bear). nowhere near costa rica (home of the island in jurassic park).

i'm stumped.

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Thursday, 11 August 2005 01:37 (nineteen years ago)

anglesey

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 11 August 2005 04:08 (nineteen years ago)

this thread is hilarious!

― cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 11 August 2005 04:36 (nineteen years ago)

anglesey

ha!

i'm thinking the polar bear was in the hold, ie. being transported to a zoo or summat.

i am teh dull.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 11 August 2005 06:15 (nineteen years ago)

WOW.

― marianna lcl (marianna lcl), Thursday, 11 August 2005 06:34 (nineteen years ago)

The crash scenes perfectly reproduced all my nightmares about flying.

Haha POLAR BEAR! This is just to distract us from the realactual monster which is a giant penguin.

― robster (robster), Thursday, 11 August 2005 06:42 (nineteen years ago)

I saw the first episode, I liked it. That hobbit dude is kinda getting type cast as the guy who runs around scared in a forest. I recorded the second episode and watched how to start a country,

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 11 August 2005 07:04 (nineteen years ago)

why was everyone running toward the front of the plane just before It All Went Wrong?

IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY KNEW SOMETHING...

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 11 August 2005 07:05 (nineteen years ago)

I kinda get the feeling that with this series you are always going to know what happens next, but it'll never get resolved.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 11 August 2005 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

going to WANT to know... I mean... sorry, it's too early.

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 11 August 2005 07:10 (nineteen years ago)

why was everyone running toward the front of the plane just before It All Went Wrong?

That was Merry's fault.

― robster (robster), Thursday, 11 August 2005 07:10 (nineteen years ago)

Oh I've no doubt that none of the questions I want to know the answers to will ever be resolved, they'll continue to loom in the background while other things like um character development and squabbling among the castaways happen. But POLAR BEAR!

Polar bear != pilot-killing monster, right?

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 August 2005 07:13 (nineteen years ago)

In shows like these, why do distress messages always say something like the message in French: 'Please help! He/it has killed them all'. Why not be a bit more specific about the nature of the threat so anyone coming to the rescue can do a bit of background research on 50 foot robotic polar bears?

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 11 August 2005 07:18 (nineteen years ago)

Don't say because of dramatic tension.

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 11 August 2005 07:19 (nineteen years ago)

oh noes, i like a TV show!
i really enjoyed this. only saw ep1 and ep2 but omgwtf! it's like Jurassic Twin Peaks Park but with pretty people in a jungle! and a hobbit!
when those trees started shaking, i said to my friend Sarsh "it's gonna be Treebeard!"

i'm gonna have to download them all, fuck waiting to see what happens.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 07:19 (nineteen years ago)

my friend is actually called Sarah. but i'ma call her Sarsh from now on.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 07:20 (nineteen years ago)

well, there goes my weds nights for half a year.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 07:24 (nineteen years ago)

Polar bear != pilot-killing monster, right?

Wrong! One charecter mentioned this but was told it was something "much bigger".

As for The Creature What Lurks In The Jungle, could be either:

1. Son of Kong! - a cynical cash-in on the forthcoming blockbuster
2. ED-209 - it sounds all roboty
3. The Iron Giant - as above
4. MECHA-GODZILLA!
5. The Creature From The Id from off of The Forbidden Planet
6. Some shadowy government experiment/mutanty/bio-weapon thing.
7. Dr Moreau/science-gone-mad-type creation run amok!
7. "Something we haven't seen yet"
8. Sod all - they're imagining it/just a metaphor for darkness within, yeah?

― David Merryweather Goes To Far (scarlet), Thursday, 11 August 2005 08:16 (nineteen years ago)

great moment when the old bald guy did the orange peel mouth trick. what was jack up to after he pulled charlie free and when katie had her 'moment'? i don't believe in monsters.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 08:18 (nineteen years ago)

The music in the trailer that's not in the show itself (not the Portishead track) - is that an original composed for the show, or just another licensed track from some chill-out comp? Either way, it worked for me - who's the composer?

― Huey (Huey), Thursday, 11 August 2005 08:23 (nineteen years ago)

I still haven't figured out whether Jack/Kate/Charlie actually bothered to tell everyone else that there was a Horrible Monster in the jungle.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 August 2005 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

the people on the radio hike knew: charlie told em the monster was 50x bigger than the polar bear!!

why would you puke in a busted toilet?

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 08:28 (nineteen years ago)

'polar' bear could just be an albino. did we see its eyes?

and the one that was shot wasn't what killed the pilot but that doesn't mean to say its 'much bigger' parent didn't.

when it this being broadcast normally? hopefully after 10 so they don't have to cut it to shribbons like they did with buffy and angel. or maybe it'll be worth importing region 1 dvds.

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 11 August 2005 08:32 (nineteen years ago)

($40 from amazon.com, 24 episodes, 7 disks, out on 6th sept)

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 11 August 2005 08:36 (nineteen years ago)

that's a good deal. shit, i might have to do this.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

actually that's a brilliant deal. these will be my first ever dvds!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 August 2005 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

'A man wakes and, to his surprise, finds himself in a strange forest' is a BRILLIANT way to begin any drama. I mean, how can you fail to be intregued by what happens next...?

Next best bit was the wonderfully creepy cliffhanger ending. I'd be surprised if anything to come can match the impact of these two moments.

― David Merryweather Goes To Far (scarlet), Thursday, 11 August 2005 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

i want to be surprised! i haven't been this hooked since season 1 of '24', and this is clearly much better.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

The polar bear thing though: it was at this point I thought, they're just pissing us about now.

Polar bear = red herring?

― David Merryweather Goes To Far (scarlet), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:04 (nineteen years ago)

'A man wakes and, to his surprise, finds himself in a strange forest' is a BRILLIANT way to begin any drama.

"Nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita
Mi trovai in una selva scura"

Hmmm.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

I just realised - this show is the Harry Potter of television. The opposite of profound, with poor characterisation and meandering non-plots, but enough intriguing detail and immerive appeal to get grown-ups hooked too.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

polar must be some sort of red herring. ditto EVERYTHING. eg, the '16 years' thing. i'm along for the ride, but rule 1 has to be trust nothing you see.

hi mark -- i am a grown-up and i like it so nerr.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:08 (nineteen years ago)

are you suggesting that Harry Potter is profound?

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

how could it have been 'profounder'?

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

There's been many comments about how this is based, in part, on the reality show Survivor - but how so? Other than the desert island setting? Surely then one might just as easily describe it as being based on Robinson Crusoe.

My point: might this actually be a reality show? Of The Future? Have these people been handpicked, possibly without their knowledge?

This would be the deus ex machina that would explain all sort of things - polar bears, giant monsters, radio signals etc (i.e. these are all props set up by the "show's" producers.)

― Huey (Huey), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

good call, dude!

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

...producers of death!! I should add.

― Huey (Huey), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

markelby, have you seen this, yet?

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

i have never seen or read 'harry potter', but going on the trailers, etc, i don't see the similarities. i don't believe marks idea that what's hooking is not characters (poor) or plot (meandering), but erm 'immersive appeal' and 'intriguing detail'. where's the opposition?

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

"Nel mezzo del cammin di nostra vita
Mi trovai in una selva scura"

"mi ritrovai per una selva oscura", Mark! For some reason this this is the only bit of Italian literature I know. Up to line 4. I think I thought it might impress girls when I was 16.

But well spotted! That's got me thinking now.

ENRQ - how is it better than the first series of 24?

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

thicker characterization. more mysterious. it's just a feeling.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

I felt a bit disappointed when I realised there was going to be supernaturalness, as if the writers had copped out of psychological drama and decided that being stranded on a desert island with a bunch of disparate people wasn't gripping enough and needed to make it Predator/Blair Witch instead, with lots of heavy breathing etc. The more interesting things about the characters were revealed, the more I didn't really get why the monsters are required. I worry that the monsters are going to distract from the character-driven plots which I think are a bit more intriguing.

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

nothing's been proven, though, there might not be anything supernatural.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

i'm hoping for it though.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

i'm the opposite: i'm hoping it's not supernatural.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'm the opposite of beanz, I really want the Twin Peaks/X Files surreal/paranormal factor to be amped up, and am hoping that the requisite character development over the next few episodes doesn't detract from it.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

i'm with teh Lex.
i think we're in for a treat - there's already a skag-crazed hobbit rushing around.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

the uncanny stuff comes *through* the character-build, tho'. i like it a lot but i don't want the ultimate explanation to be supernatural (supernatural stuff is hippy). i like the idea of it being reality tv.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

A polar bear in the south pacific is a bit weird though, and a 50 foot something extracting the pilot from the cockpit plus the invisible giant clanking thing in the valley would require either a monster or a military installation type thing maybe? Either way it's a bit too X Files for me. I'll still watch though... The supernatural bit could be redeemed if its done really, really well.

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:42 (nineteen years ago)

also, instead of all the characters learning more about themselves in hippy bullshit style, i would like some of them* to die horrible deaths and instil the fear into everyone else.

*jack, and the korean husband

(xp yes, I agree that the balance between supernatural bobbins and character-driven plots is what makes this great, I just hope they don't forego the former in favour of the latter.)

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

less x-files, more twin peaks.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I don't want supernatural so much as conspiracies à la govenment military secrets etc. or maybe BOTH.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

i'm betting one death per episode. blondie can die first.

xpost -- yeah i want CONSPIRACY most. but not ghosts.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

The more sci-fi this show gets the better as far as I'm concerned.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

i want black lodge and dinosaurs.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

not ghosts. but possibly scary science which the govt is keeping a secret, which makes everything seem paranormal => cue much surrealism

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

whatever happens, i want to somehow not find out in advance. this may be difficult in the Internet Age.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

it is an ILX thread in matrix form

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

not ghosts. but possibly scary science which the govt is keeping a secret, which makes everything seem paranormal => cue much surrealism

Yes that would be good

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

my first theory was Bermuda Triangle weirdness. i hope it's correct, cos that just leaves scope for any kind of shit the writers take a fancy to.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

that's a license to print money though. i want it to make sense.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

I actually miss The X-Files and I'd love a new American mainstream sci-fi show (but not Buffyesque). People may be bored of aliens but there are other areas to explore. I'd agree that having a new Twin Peaks would be even better though. More surrealism might be cool.

Watching this I thought of Cube a few times (I might be the only person who really LOVES Cube or at least what it promised/hinted at). Not seen Hypercube though. I was even reminded of Signs at one point though I think that's in the second episode (this is NOT a spoiler!).

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

Bermuda Triangle would indeed be weirdness given that they're in the south Pacific

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

that's just nitpicking.

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

it's reminding me of 'the usual suspects', and that's how i like it. the non-supernatural surreal type thing. i never watched 'buffy' or 'x-files' or any o'dah. 'twin peaks' was a bit lynch for me.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

I want a few of the characters to have crazy dark secrets. Luckily I think I will not be disappointed here.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:56 (nineteen years ago)

cube is great! hypercube is also fun, but the extra budget somehow makes it less so

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:58 (nineteen years ago)

like Merry from Deathnail (or whatever his band were called) was actually MIMING in concert, stuff like that?
xpost

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:58 (nineteen years ago)

DRIVESHAFT

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 09:59 (nineteen years ago)

Deathnail > Driveshaft

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

Alan, no, how did you read me saying Harry Potter is profound (it is utterly without depth, as I'm sure I don't need to say)? Lost seems to have a similar superficiality, though obviously I know I haven't watched enough of it yet to start relating to the characters.

I'll keep watching it, though.

― Markelby (Mark C), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

Autobot or Decepticon? (xpost)

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

I am a bit bored that the first thing people on telly/ radio say about this is 'why are all the survivors beautiful/ attractive/ etc?'. This is false. Jeremy Vine, I mean you.

― Raston Warrior Robot (alix), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:06 (nineteen years ago)

ha, sorry mark, i realised quickly i had actually misread your post! then thought i could get away with not owning up and passing it off not as an x-post but in response to nrq. maybe i still can

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:07 (nineteen years ago)

cmon, call him Jeremany like the people that call in. (wtf is that all about? it happens so often)

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

the survivors are not all beautiful and attractive!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

go for it alan, i misread marks' post a bit, hence the confusion.

us marshal was so HOTT!!

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

i was kinda disappointed that the guy said "Republican Guard" and not "l33t Republican Guard" when they were talking about the Gulf War. "WE SHIT BULLETS!"

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

i would like the iraqi guy's backstory to be instrumental to the plot.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

actually i wouldn't mind picking up on reminding me of 'the usual suspects', and that's how i like it. the non-supernatural surreal type thing

see i hated the usual suspects for much the same reason you seem to dislike supernatural stuff encroaching on real-life drama. when someone in the story is ENTIRELY MAKING UP THE REST OF THE STORY, what does it matter about motivation and human character - anything can happen, and there are no rules. it's unfair to the reader/audience who want to be able to get involved in working things out for themselves.

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yup, Jack, aka Dudley Do-Right, is boring me to tears already. As is his female counterpart. Not even the shock revelation that she is a crim managed to de-bland her.

In fact, nobody is particularly likable, as yet. Though they’re trying way to hard to get us to hate the snooty blonde woman who decides to sunbathe amid the wreckage - oh look everyone, how inconsiderate!!!!
Actually the more they want me to hate her the more I’ll end up liking her. I mean, her attitude is so OTT, who is she meant to be, Hans Gruber’s daughter or someone? Jeez. No point in sitting on the beach looking pensively out to sea, may as well catch some rays: U go girl!

― David Merryweather Goes To Far (scarlet), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

she has an ever lasting supply of sun-tan lotion

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

"Ho ho ho... now i have a sun tan."

― g-kit (g-kit), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:21 (nineteen years ago)

the only character i like so far is the kid. kate became slightly less boring when it was revealed that she was the crim: i hope she was a crazy dangerous crim, and that she doesn't have a heart of gold. (i sense disappointment looming on this front.)

jack is a patronising cunt who should die die die.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

alan: that's not how 'the usual suspects' works though. what i like about it is the way the mastermind character is able to make all five crims appear in the police tank at the same time, which is where the story departs from. separate backstories somehow intertwining. this is why 'lost' reminds me of 'tus', not the unreliable narrator angle.
very little in the film is made up in the way you suggest, iirc -- maybe only things like soze's killing of some turkish people. it plays a pretty straight bat, and it's logically consistent. supernatural elements really do allow anything.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

what was the accent of the actor playing Saeed? he (and Jack and Kate, blah) was spliced into one of those annoying Ch4 trailers, and obv he is british, but what accent was it?

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

And what the hell is that dog up to? Why is it lurking so?

― David Merryweather Goes To Far (scarlet), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

he was the buddha of suburbia

london, I imagine

crosspost

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

The dog has the power to turn itself into a 50 foot mechanical labrador and can't help it if it accidentally crushes people while cocking its leg to pee against a chunk of aeroplane.
xpost

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:35 (nineteen years ago)

This show makes me want to listen to Orbital's 'Lost' from their last album too.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

Great Driveshaft website here, by the way.

― Huey (Huey), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

The videos on this site are amazing.

― Huey (Huey), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

"Polar bear = red herring?"

So it can change colour and shape and either walk on the land or swim in the water, you mean? Brilliant! Can it change into some sort of bird too? And a giant worm thing that burrows under the ground?

― Stewart Osborne (Stewart Osborne), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

OH come on does no one else adore the fat guy who says 'dude' and is basically Edgar Stiles from 24:series 4!?

― Googley Asearch (Toaster), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

polar bear = bad wolf

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

Naveen Andrews is Saeed. He is the guy from Buddha of Suburbia and is super-cute (I had a look at him up close in the lifts at Time Out once).

― suzy (suzy), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

sayid

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

everyone's talking about the buddha of suburbia guy, and the party of five guy, and a hobbit (whatever that is), but nobody is mentioning the guy from 'hetty wainthrope investifates'! c'mon!

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Thursday, 11 August 2005 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

suzy went to the premiere of hetty wainthrope invetigates at patricia routledge's house

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 11 August 2005 11:01 (nineteen years ago)

The other thing it reminds me of is Farcry, the game. Same setting, scary experimental mutant monsters lurking around, etc.

and a hobbit (whatever that is), but nobody is mentioning the guy from 'hetty wainthrope investifates'

Those two are the same person!

― JimD (JimD), Thursday, 11 August 2005 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

i am currently reading the televisionwithoutpity.com recaps and have found myself unable to stop where tonight's episodes stopped.

You should quit while you're ahead. The site changed recappers a few episodes into the season and the new guy did nothing but whine and complain on how awful the show was.

― Leon C. (Ex Leon), Thursday, 11 August 2005 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

I missed this, but the first two episodes get repeated tomorrow night on Channel 4. I'm stupidly looking forward to it, based just on this thread, and polar bears.

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

you guys just wait....just wait.

― Lupton Pitman (Chris V), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

I have to finish watching Season 1 before Season 2 starts in 6 weeks.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 12 August 2005 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

Tonight I stopped in my tracks, halfway across the room, just so I could watch a trailer. And it was a trailer for episode 3, which I've already seen anyway! I think this must mean I'm properly hooked.

― JimD (JimD), Friday, 12 August 2005 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I really can't wait for tomorrow so I can get into this. you realise I'll hate you all if it's rubbish.

― ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 12 August 2005 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

Episodes 3 and 4 totally RULE - the endings in particular. That is all.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Saturday, 13 August 2005 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

ONLY 24 MORE TO GO

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 13 August 2005 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

err, i mean 20!

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 13 August 2005 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

episode 3 (and 1 and 2) is repeated tonight on e4 but i'm not sure whether to just stick to ch4 showings.

last night's ch4 repeats had flayed captain shot intact.

― koogs (koogs), Sunday, 14 August 2005 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

I still haven't watched, but I taped C4 repeats last night and will watch today. On skimming this thread, and now being all peachy keen to watch it and join in, to what extent are the spoilers being spilled? Are we limited to just discussing what's been shown on terrestrial, if so I might just keep watching that way.

I'm going to be so disappointed if I hate it now.

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 14 August 2005 09:04 (nineteen years ago)

just don't judge too quickly, ailsa. give it time. the first two 'episodes' are more like two parts of a feature length pilot. and it spends a lot of time just setting out the basics. as you'd expect. i;m worried you'll get bored after twenty minutes. and then you'll never post witty comments on this thread. that would be bad.

think we're just limiting the discussion to what's been on c4.

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Sunday, 14 August 2005 09:13 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to the pub this afternoon, then coming home to watch them. I promise to stick with it.

I don't do witty comments Michael, you seem to be confusing me with someone else!

― ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 14 August 2005 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i think i;m confusing you with me.

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Sunday, 14 August 2005 09:31 (nineteen years ago)

did anyone see the making-of doco on e4 last night? i wish they'd bloody warned us, it had spoilers all over it :-( but i JUST COULDN'T STOP WATCHING!

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Sunday, 14 August 2005 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

We have spent the weekend watching up to episode 7, I think. I am at the point where reality now seems unreal and it feels normal-er to be watching it. I am becoming the jungle. I think I need to get some fresh air.

― Raston Robot Warrior (blueski), Sunday, 14 August 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Jeez, if I hadn't already watched the whole series then Lost:Revealed would have been Beyond Spoilerdome.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Sunday, 14 August 2005 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

fuck you fucking british assholes with your fucking bullshit

― bola, Sunday, 14 August 2005 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

But when are they all going to stat DANCING like on the teaser trailer? That's what I'm waiting for.

― David Merryweather Goes To Far (scarlet), Monday, 15 August 2005 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

there was a polar bear in the spanish comic book the kid had found

― Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 15 August 2005 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

that's right. i'd forgotten that.

― N_RQ, Monday, 15 August 2005 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

cool! let's get surreal!

― g-kit (g-kit), Monday, 15 August 2005 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

Lordy I didn't notice that. Is the comic the key to everything? Like in Watchmen?

― robster (robster), Monday, 15 August 2005 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

aw crap. that probably means there's going to be LOADS of little hints and subtle self-referential things in it. and i'm actually going to have to pay close attention. boo!

― michael grant (michael digby grant), Monday, 15 August 2005 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

that's what DVDs (or Bit Torrent) are for!

― jellybean (jellybean), Monday, 15 August 2005 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

i hope so robster, because iirc it looked like we would get aliens and outer space and the JSA or something

― Snowy Mann (rdmanston), Monday, 15 August 2005 12:53 (nineteen years ago)

Ep 4 on E4 just now was GREAT. You know, there's still a lot of unnamed characters just hanging around in the background. Which is a bit worrying, I don't know if I'm going to start feeling cheated when "new" characters start getting introduced a few more episodes in (which is bound to happen, surely).

― JimD (JimD), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

Man I love Locke, even thought he sometimes looks a bit too much like Peter Gabriel.

I still like Jack okay too, despite what that mean bully ~~The Lex~~ Sawyer says.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

I love the end of episode 3 because when the song starts you feel mortified by the use of music despite the great (if rather unlikely) imagery...but the slightly sinister payoff shot with Locke and spooky music saves the whole thing.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't like ep 3 as much, too much of this character development bollocks and not enough polar bears.

Of course the character development would be much more palatable, maybe even preferable, if I cared about any of the characters (so far: just the kid! and I love Shannon's cuntishness even though she's clearly being set up for boring redemption).

I would really like Kate's crime to have been something really, really nasty, murder or worse, otherwise it's a cop-out.

Jack is still terrible and pompous. those terrible shots of him gazing wistfully out to sea after he did what he should have done in the first place if he was a REAL hero! were we meant to feel sympathy or something? and so rude, that "I'm trying to save his life" remark as if no one else should be questioning what was happening to a man constantly moaning in pain. DIE DIE DIE

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 17 August 2005 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

Major thing from ep. 3, in the tent after Jack discovers thingy hasn't actually killed the marshal - why is it that whenever someone on telly tells someone to get out, they always have to say it twice, first quietly but with obvious tension, then yelling when they repeat themselves?

Anyway - still quite intriguing, some characters starting to veer towards the median a bit, though, esp. Sayid. Still very open, though. Hurley's less pleasant sides are also starting to emerge rather nicely.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Thursday, 18 August 2005 01:00 (nineteen years ago)

i love how i always disagree with lex about everything.

jack looks like a motherfucker with some dark secrets, dude! you think he's gonna remain a hero? this guy has some training.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:25 (nineteen years ago)

oh god so he's going to be a tortured hero and acres of time will be devoted to him dealing with his issues. even worse!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:34 (nineteen years ago)

no, i mean i think he's in on it, whatever 'it' is. he knew the plane was going down. so far the series has operated on straight reversals of expectations: jack CANNOT be a good guy.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:39 (nineteen years ago)

that would be good, but I don't see it happening - the expectations (esp re: characterisation) aren't completely reversed, just mildly shaken. kate is the crim omg! but she still has a heart of gold, etc.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:43 (nineteen years ago)

does she? i think we're in for more reversals anyway, they like teh blind alleys and false leads and stuff. the annoying blonde will turn out to be the mastermind, ect.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

Possible clue to Jack's non-heroic status = he pocketed one of the extra mini-bottles of booze the air-stewardess gave him seconds before the turbulence.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 18 August 2005 07:54 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I am surprised he hasn't been showing signs of the shakes yet. He was complaining that his drink wasn't strong enough on the plane.

― Mooro (Mooro), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:01 (nineteen years ago)

rickyt - eggs-ackly

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:04 (nineteen years ago)

Where were the monsters? And with whom is the woman caught washing naked going to have an affair?

― beanz (beanz), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:06 (nineteen years ago)

I look forward to seeing what'll happen when the hobbit's run out of skag. I liked Locke's character stuff in ep. 4...are we restricting ourselves to talking about ch4 broadcasts only? I couldn't not watch the E4 one last night.

― sgs (sgs), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

C4 only please. Not all of us have future-telly!

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:18 (nineteen years ago)

I don't have e4 :(

(though er I read about it on televisonwithoutpity anyway)

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:18 (nineteen years ago)

SPOILER from ep 4:

jack gets called a 'metro'.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not normally that bothered abt spoilers but I fear that they will ruin Lost entirely. So much seems to be tied up in the tension of things not being quite as they seem.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:25 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure Jaaaaaaackkkkhhhh has "deep" ishoos and he's really a tortured soul but manages to stoicly keep a square, manly jaw. Which might eventually wobble under all the ragged EMOSHUN he feels because, underneath it all ladies, he's tho thenthitive. Sigh...

― David Merryweather Goes To Far (scarlet), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

i don't get the hate for jack! oh noes, people who can hadle difficult situations without going to pieces and yet are not machines, oh noes!

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:48 (nineteen years ago)

I'm disappointed that Charlie's band covered an Ocean Colour Scene song.

Vincent would be wise to stay away from the HUNGRY KOREAN.

I think the 'black vs white' backgammon thing is significant, and I'm sure I heard 'noir' in the distress message (though Little Miss Shallow didn't translate that bit), and polar bears are white... um....

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:52 (nineteen years ago)

the backgammon thing -- oh shit i can't talk about ep 4. GET ONE E4 MORANS.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 08:53 (nineteen years ago)

people who can hadle difficult situations without going to pieces and yet are not machines

but they ARE twats!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:04 (nineteen years ago)

> I would really like Kate's crime to have been something really, really nasty, murder or worse, otherwise it's a cop-out.

i kinda want to not be told what it is, ever, as this puts us in the same position as Jack, ie a fresh start.

i like robster's Black Freighter Hypothesis.

yes, fuck 'Lost Revealed' and all it's spoilery madness. it showed clips of all the major characters' back stories). do they not understand foreplay?

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:10 (nineteen years ago)

'black vs white' backgammon

Didn't Locke say 'light & DARK'?

― Mooro (Mooro), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

haha I didn't realise the old man was called Locke. is his first name JOHN or something??

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:15 (nineteen years ago)

er, um...

― sgs (sgs), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

He did say light and dark, aye.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

you've heard of john locke but not john wayne

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

Didn't Locke say 'light & DARK'?

Yes. That's what I meant to say. He holds the backgammon pieces up for a This Bit May Be Important close up.

Was Jack wearing a black tie with his suit on the plane?

IT'S TOO HARD NOT TO DISCUSS EPISODE 4!

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

but everyone's heard of john locke!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

name some movies he was in

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

e4 is quite cheap, you know. about £20.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:24 (nineteen years ago)

he is indeed john locke

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:26 (nineteen years ago)

We should have an e4 thread where we can gloat about all the new stuff we don't know by being a week ahead.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

"know" used loosely here.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

name some movies he was in

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0642368/

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

he is indeed john locke

haha that is really unsubtle. what next, the french signal coming from someone called jean-jacques rousseau?!

how does e4 actually work? i mean, how do you get it and can you get someone else to fix it for you because if i tried i'd break the tv.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

xp
I said don't know.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

We could also have a thread for people who only just got the whole series on their hard drive :)

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

good one, the lex

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:29 (nineteen years ago)

haha that is really unsubtle. what next, the french signal coming from someone called jean-jacques rousseau?!

!!!!!

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

you buy a box, get someone to deal with all the wires and shit, and bob's yer uncle.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

haha that is really unsubtle. what next, the french signal coming from someone called jean-jacques rousseau?!

!!!

haha xpost

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:32 (nineteen years ago)

hmm. but i'm moving house soon, i think.

xp, no WAY!

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:33 (nineteen years ago)

I television without pity you

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

lex, how do you even get on the internet!?

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

Lost The TV show (spoiler free for people with the entire show on HD and are up to episode 8)
Lost The TV show (spoiler free for people with the entire show on HD and are up to episode 9)
Lost The TV show (spoiler free for people with the entire show on HD and are up to episode 10)
...
etc

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

lex, how do you even get on the internet!?

whatever the method i'm sure he does it INDEPENDENTLY

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

nrq do you realise how long it took me to get on the internet when i moved house last year? there's a thread about my woes somewhere. it took MONTHS OF STRESS.

― The Lex (The Lex), Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:41 (nineteen years ago)

i feel your pain -- at home i have to really work to get other people's wifi connex. my own attempts at hooking up have been disastrous.

― N_RQ, Thursday, 18 August 2005 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

yesterday i watched the first three episodes back-to-back, plus "lost revealed", and i am now horribly addicted. getting a digital video recorder thingy for my birthday has ~~revolutionised~~ ruined my life.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Saturday, 20 August 2005 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

The Lex is awesome. I want to see what's going on in his candy-colored Wayneless world.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Saturday, 20 August 2005 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

(The Longest Day on tomorrow afternoon btw Lex - Wayne for people who don't like westerns (plus a cast of several million other famous people))

next week's is Locke's flashback episode apparently. (is that a spoiler?)

― koogs (koogs), Saturday, 20 August 2005 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Why is the fat lad allowed to keep batteries for his discman, while the tranceiver is struggling along on its last little bit of juice?

― JimD (JimD), Saturday, 20 August 2005 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

his batteries run out eventually. (not really a spoiler)

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 20 August 2005 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Locke's episode is still my favourite of the series so far (i'm halfway thru).

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Saturday, 20 August 2005 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

Stevem OTM. I just saw the Locke episode on E4.

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Monday, 22 August 2005 00:24 (nineteen years ago)

you guys are way of in aus weve seen the whole series

― doming, Friday, 26 August 2005 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

There's something about a man in a suit on a beach.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

The twist was kind of spoiled for me, having already read Locke's bio on the Ch4 site. I should probably stop reading those.

― robster (robster), Friday, 26 August 2005 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

I couldn't find this thread when I searched for it, how did you bump it back up stevem?

i think the most crucial thing about that episode is that Locke knows what the monster is and is NOT TELLING.

stevem, how does one play that dvd you kindly lent me of the next 10 episodes? i can't get it to work.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 26 August 2005 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

It involves broadband internet access and John Wayne, The Lex - you may as well give up now.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

i think the most crucial thing about that episode is that Locke knows what the monster is and is NOT TELLING.

although he did say: "i have looked into the eye of this island and what i saw was ... beautiful."

shit. did he say that in wednesday's C4 or E4 episode? oh god, i have no idea where i'm up to now.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Friday, 26 August 2005 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

I am convinced that this is what he saw.

http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/news/archives/images/weee.jpg

― Huey (Huey), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, corrected link.

― Huey (Huey), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

stevem, how does one play that dvd you kindly lent me of the next 10 episodes? i can't get it to work.

1) Put the disc in the PC, click the CD icon on your desktop (or in 'My COmputer') to open a window listing the contents of the disc

2) COPY ALL of these files to your hard drive, provided you have enough space (you would need 3-4gb of free space)

3) Download 'DIVX' software to play the files on. Windows Media Player will handle them as long as you have the DIVX 'codec' which you can get here

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:11 (nineteen years ago)

The first step doesn't work in my PC, it doesn't acknowledge that there's a disc in there at all. I tried with my flatmate's laptop and I've managed to get a window listing all of the episodes and when I double click on one to play it it starts playing in Quicktime. That is, it starts playing a blank screen with no sound. And it does this in Real Player too, and won't play in Windows Media at all.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

you need to do the impossible step 3 then. QT and WMP need a divx "extension" (codec??)

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:34 (nineteen years ago)

Does your PC accept DVD-Rs or only CDs? If it is old it may only be a CD-ROM. In which case, you won't be able to access them at all (unless you get a DVD ROM, or new PC)...

Quicktime won't play the files properly because they're DivX and the two are incompatible (initially). Check that your friend's laptop has DivX software or codec installed, he may well not have if the files don't play in Windows Media at all.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.divx.com/ might have an extension for QT - i know I DO play divx stuff through QT player. but that's on my mac

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

I think QT on PC requires separate codec for DivX audio - I get visual but no sound when I try it. Feh. I don't like Quicktime anyway. It smells.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

my PCis very elderly indeed and only accepts CDs, and sometimes not even those depending on its mood.

i think i might wait til my flatmate gets back to try and mess around with these codec things on his laptop...

i wonder which will happen first: i figure out how to play the dvd thing, or the series ends on tv.

― The Lex (The Lex), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

Very possibly the latter.

― Raston Warrior Robot (alix), Friday, 26 August 2005 12:56 (nineteen years ago)

Third option: heat-death of the universe.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Friday, 26 August 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

the lex is div x

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 26 August 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

sorry

: )

― cozen (Cozen), Friday, 26 August 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

> Third option: heat-death of the universe.

ha, i thought the exact same thing but was too polite to post it 8)

― koogs (koogs), Saturday, 27 August 2005 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

poor old the lex

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 27 August 2005 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

Is the fat dude actually going to get any thinner over the course of the series or are we just to assume they're eating wild boar three times a day?

There's something about Locke that disturbs me intensely. I think it's the fact he looks just like George Galloway.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Saturday, 27 August 2005 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

his scar makes him look like a marble

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 27 August 2005 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's the fact he looks just like George Galloway.

say what now?

Hurley is 'one to watch'

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Saturday, 27 August 2005 11:22 (nineteen years ago)

(Sorry The Lex - I like you very much really, but I am enjoying playing up the one or two holes in your knowledge that make you seem like a kind of reflection or next generation model of the Pinefox, in some way.)

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Saturday, 27 August 2005 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

Now the Pinefox on a gallon of Blossom Hill I would like to see...

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Saturday, 27 August 2005 12:03 (nineteen years ago)

Not understanding how to download tv shows from the internet makes one a next-generation Pinefox?!?!

The musical equiv. of this would be: "You haven't heard the new Rachel Stevens single = you ARE the Pinefox!"

― Tim Finney (Tim Finney), Saturday, 27 August 2005 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

getting someone else to download them and then not being able to play them makes you pinefox-ish. (that said, last time i saw the pinefox he was pointing a DIGITAL camera at me. plus he got his usb memory key thing working)

(and i'm sure the lex does things daily that me and martin couldn't even begin to comprehend let alone achieve)

― koogs (koogs), Sunday, 28 August 2005 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Englanders, have you gotten to the episodes where the polar bear eats Sawyer and then starts talking as a result, then insults Jack and eats him and then starts performing surgery? And Kate falls in love with the bear.

― Leeeeeeee (Leee), Sunday, 28 August 2005 22:56 (nineteen years ago)

That makes me think of a "Lost" version of "The Aristocrats." I started writing some of the details and then thought better of it.

― Rock Hardy (Rock Hardy), Sunday, 28 August 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

I am from the US and have become addicted to "LOST" this summer. I missed out on it last year when it first aired here last Fall but was able to catch it in re-runs this summer. Thay are skipping episodes here because they don't have enough weeks left before the new season and it's driving me nuts!!!! My husband and I turn it on every Wednesday night and expect the plot to contunue from the previous week. Twice now we had NO idea what was going on because the network chose to cut out entire episodes. Anyway, I won't spoil it for you folks in the UK but I did want to mention that the polar bear confused me and my hubby too. I just read an article about the show last night and it included tips/trivia. It mentioned something about the polar bear episode. I am going to share it because it may help us all figure it out neaxt season! Earlier in the polar bear episode, the Afro-American boy (his name may be Walt or Michael-I can't think of it but he's the only kid on the island) is reading a comic book and a polar bear is in one of the pictures. It's his favorite comic book and you'll see him w/ it in other episodes (I'm NOT spoiling anything here-he just likes the comic book). I think that may be important and may explain the damn bear.

― Peggy (lostfan), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

My husband and I turn it on every Wednesday night

You lucky ladyyyyy!

― Pvt. Dave Goes To Far (scarlet), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

I like that the jokes at my expense are funny :)

Third option: heat-death of the universe.

Steve and Lixi and I discovered on Sunday night that a fourth option may be "Grace Jones turns up on stage".

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently one of the panels in the comic Walt is reading, when translated, says 'Lex, don't forget to pick your books up from Steve M's before Friday!'

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god yes! Um, I'm working evenings this week, so are any days good for popping over? I have tonight off for recovery purposes too.

― The Lex (The Lex), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

Does any kind person have a DVD burner and the will to copy the first series for me? I have started to download the episodes from minova and it looks like it's going to be complete just around the same time as the DVD does on sale...

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

e-mail me your postal address

: )

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

You are a wonderful person. I owe you some Springsteen memorabilia or something EVEN BETTTER (?).

― Lara (Lara), Tuesday, 30 August 2005 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

ooh, nice moment with the black and white stones found on the dead geez. and a mention of the polar bear. a very brief mention.

― Enrique, naked in an unfamiliar future where corporations run the world... (Enri, Wednesday, 31 August 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

Jack's 'mad eyes' though. Jesus.

― William Bloody Swygart (mrswygart), Wednesday, 31 August 2005 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

You'd have thought that tubby dude would have started to lose some weight by now, wouldn't you?

― C J (C J), Thursday, 1 September 2005 07:40 (nineteen years ago)

I'm more impressed by the way some of the guys have maintained the same length of stubble for 7 days.

― robster (robster), Thursday, 1 September 2005 07:42 (nineteen years ago)

It's a mysterious island, for sure.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 1 September 2005 08:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'm more impressed by the way some of the guys have maintained the same length of stubble for 7 days.

heheheh, exactly. they should all be poster-boys for the big beard by now.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 1 September 2005 09:02 (nineteen years ago)

I still can't get the fucking DVD to work!

I downloaded the divx thing from the divx website. Then I tried to play it in Quicktime again. It didn't give me the message about needing to download extra stuff but it only played a blank screen. Ditto Real Player, and Windows Media still just says it's an incompatible format.

Technology hates me, everyone else apparently finds this easy but it just ISN'T WORKING :(

― The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 4 September 2005 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, if your computer doesn't recognise DVDs, only CDs, it won't recognise the DVD, and that's it, it doesn't matter how many codecs you download. Or is this on the flatmate's laptop?

― spontine (cis), Sunday, 4 September 2005 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

This is on the laptop now.

― The Lex (The Lex), Sunday, 4 September 2005 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

maybe the vaunted 'ile2' will have next week's installment of lex's battle to see 'lost', but we should keep in the present here.

― N_RQ, Monday, 5 September 2005 07:29 (nineteen years ago)

Lex, see if you can install VLC (this software plays most media files inc Quicktime, Real video, MPEG, AVI, DIvX etc.) on the laptop and try playing the files through that.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 5 September 2005 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

Oh that looks promising. Unfortunately my flatmate is inconsiderately using his own laptop right now but when he gets off it I will try this.

― The Lex (The Lex), Monday, 5 September 2005 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

i've started using VLC more of late. i was shy of it first - but that was because of the shonky files that forced me to use it in the first place.

sadly it seems less jerky than quicktime and you don't have to use a sodding applescript to access fullscreen mode

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Monday, 5 September 2005 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

yo is it true the buddha of suburbia got sonned by a korean guy after a tranceiver beef????

― Enrique, naked in an unfamiliar future where corporations run the world... (Enri, Wednesday, 7 September 2005 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

http://pages.stern.nyu.edu/~mbrown/locke5fj.gif

― sux2bu (Adrian Langston), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

kate and jack are the most irritating couple ever.

korean storyline = GRIPPING!

― The Lex (The Lex), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

you aren't watching

― RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 7 September 2005 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

ok, so now referring to the polar bear is a big joke.

and what happened to the black woman who told jack, mysteriously (natch) that her husband, who mysteriously (natch) moved to a different part of the plane just before it crashed, was still alive?

― N_RQ, Thursday, 22 September 2005 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

SO are no Britons watching this anymore? perhaps everyone has downloaded ahead.

Anyway, Ethan Rom scared the hell out of me, i could barely sleep. the actor has exactly the right kind of funny looking face for playing a creepy murdering type guy.

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Saturday, 8 October 2005 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

I watched it for the first four weeks before deciding it was crap. It's very well made, but the characters are cliched, the plot is ludicrous and it just seems like they're throwing a load of crazy shit on screen with no idea of how to resolve anything. Its like all the worst elements of 24 with none of the arse-clenching tension to hold the whole thing together.

― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Saturday, 8 October 2005 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

i get what you're saying, but it's still easily the best show on (terrestrial) telly at the moment.

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Saturday, 8 October 2005 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Every week, one character seems to do the staring off into space, here comes the back story thing. I'll be happier when all the back stories are done, I don't particularly care about that sort of thing. I just want to know about the island and not some sort of karmic 'they are all there for a reason' yarn.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 8 October 2005 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Jack's had two back story episodes now though, and for all the mystery behind kate's background etc i've a feeling the back story element is a permanent feature.

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Saturday, 8 October 2005 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

oh Kate is just some probably genetically engineered psycho potential killing machine (but she doesn't wanna be), straight out of the Joss Whedon Big Book of Ideas, I tell ya.

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 8 October 2005 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

christ i hope that's a joke and not a spoiler

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Saturday, 8 October 2005 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

Not a spoiler as far as I'm aware!

― jel -- (jel), Saturday, 8 October 2005 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

Jack makes me laugh. He's this super efficient doctor, then he takes off his shirt and he's REALLY BUFF and has TATS.

― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Saturday, 8 October 2005 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

people keep saying they don't like the backstories

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

i don't get the hate for jack! oh noes, people who can hadle difficult situations without going to pieces and yet are not machines, oh noes!

But the question IS he a machine. This is one of the reasons I don't embrace it completely: it seems to follow a very distinct line. The twists are not that surprising. Maybe that's part of the appeal: you understand these people? I'mn not sure. I like the show, don't get me wrong, but I don't understand people's obsession with it.

Jack makes me laugh. He's this super efficient doctor, then he takes off his shirt and he's REALLY BUFF and has TATS.

So doctors have to be pale and lanky? That's the whole thing, noone is who s/he seems to be. It's a bit predictable because NOONE is who seems to be. Like Janet *the criminal*, though I actually doubt she's a a badass criminal. She'll probably have done something bad, but not SO bad, y'know. Oh whatever. I can't explain it nor put my finger on why I don't really think it's classique TV.

The only person I don't really like is John Locke.

Reading this thread, I think we (in Belgium) are already farther ahead. Maybe an episode. Has the polar bear appeared and fucked Janet's brain out? No? Oops.

― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Is Kate called Janet in Belgium?

Yeah, why don't people like the back stories? That's kind of (more than half) the point of the series, is it not?

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

My point about Jack is that he was so obviously created to make the female fans swoon.

― chap who would dare to kill all the threads (chap), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

But that's what Sawyer and Sayid are for. Stop overdoing it, we won't be able to cope with, you know, actual storylines, due to too many hormonal distractions and that.

― ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

Is Kate called Janet in Belgium?

Actually it's Locke, I didn't want to give it all away. wink wink

My point about Jack is that he was so obviously created to make the female fans swoon.

Next you'll tell me Kate was created to attract the male viewers!

― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Saturday, 8 October 2005 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

i get what you're saying, but it's still easily the best show on (terrestrial) telly at the moment.

I don't think that this is true: 'Bodies' is.

― Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 8 October 2005 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

i've never heard of "bodies". it is a tv show, you say?

The only person I don't really like is John Locke.

i really identify with locke. he's pretty much my hero.

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Saturday, 8 October 2005 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/bodies/

― Mooro (Mooro), Sunday, 9 October 2005 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

i'm still watching it, terrestrial-style, on e4 (so not quite terrestrial). everyone i know irl watches it on lame c4, everyone on the internet has torrented it, so i don't get to talk about it much. the backstories are only okay if they give clues to what's going on on the island, eg the one with claire (? - the preggers one).

i think maybe they have left too many plates spinning at this stage, because none of the big mysteries have been tied up *at all*. the polar bear is only the beginning: what about jack's dad? why won't locke say what he saw? etc. i like the mystery, but there's anew mystery each week, and the last ep will struggle to explain 22 separate mysteries, if you see what i mean.

― N_RQ, Monday, 10 October 2005 08:26 (nineteen years ago)

Has anybody else noticed Jacks tats?

Theres some pretty clear conspiracy theory iconography right there. Alluding to the Illuminati.

― Googley Asearch (Toaster), Monday, 10 October 2005 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

How many C4 episodes are left?

― Panther Pink (Pinkpanther), Monday, 10 October 2005 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

about 11-12, i think. i hadn't noticed jack's tattoos, but i'm sure they 'mean something' like the black and white stones 'mean something'.

― N_RQ, Monday, 10 October 2005 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

Has anybody else noticed Jacks tats?

Theres some pretty clear conspiracy theory iconography right there. Alluding to the Illuminati.

Oh really. Have to check it out tonight. :-)

Apparently Abrams (?), who writes the show, makes references to his fave shows. In one ep, Homecoming, a girl says that her dad will buy a paper firm (?) in Slough, which is of course a reference to The Office.

― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Monday, 10 October 2005 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

I really can't see how they're going to wrap it all up.

― Panther Pink (Pinkpanther), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

If they buy enough paper from Wernam-Hogg, they can wrap it all up.

― C J (C J), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

Some character's back stories are SO much better than others...

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Monday, 10 October 2005 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

some of them i can barely remember, and unless jack's dad turns up soonish, the second jack one was pointless.

― N_RQ, Monday, 10 October 2005 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

Does the dog have a back story? I bet he stole some sausages from a butchers or something.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 10 October 2005 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

That or he had a really difficult relationship with his father as he was the head of a family of crime, a dogfather if you will

boom boom

― kelvin newman (secondhandnews), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

"he is indeed john locke"
haha that is really unsubtle. what next, the french signal coming from someone called jean-jacques rousseau?!
[...]

-- The Lex (alex.macpherso...), August 18th, 2005.

now this actually happened, there was a rousseau ref. bad lex for reading ahead? or was he in on it?

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 09:27 (nineteen years ago)

pure hilarious coincidence.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

yeah right!

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

It's a bit tiring to have a double episode every week. I still like the show, though some of those backstories are a bit... dubious. Noone is who s/he seems to be. Okay, we get it. I'm eagerly awaiting Sayid's backstory. Was he part of the National Guard or WHAT? Obv he won't be, but still... I WANNA KNOW.

― nathalie, a bum like you (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

he helped a woman escape the baathists... and then claimed she was dead.

― N_RQ, Tuesday, 11 October 2005 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

yeah this has been on e4 and c4, he shot himself in the belly (for love)

― Slumpman (Slump Man), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

it's true, NRQ.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 11 October 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

I majorly sad and quite keen to find out who's ethan but too stuborn + scared to search for spilers else where

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:17 (nineteen years ago)

i want to find out but probably it's never explained. or it'll be an anti-climax as per sawyer -- he travelled under a fake name!!

― N_RQ, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:19 (nineteen years ago)

anag. ETHAN ROM = OTHER MAN = MOTHER N/A

Weirdo psychic bloke: "this child just not be raised by ANOTHER"
(ok there's an M missing in that one but still...)

― MORE THAN, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:22 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh, clever. I'm loving Lost, it's about the only thing I follow with any regularity.

CRUSH OF SHAME: John Locke. Yes, it's true.

― Rumpie, Wednesday, 12 October 2005 12:27 (nineteen years ago)

OMG LOCKE IS A WHITE HOUSE CHIEF OF STAFF!!!!!

― N_RQ, Monday, 17 October 2005 08:01 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

i think i am the only person in this bitch who hasn't d/ld. it makes me sad.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

No you're not, I haven't, sorry!

― Panther Pink (Pinkpanther), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

it'd be cheating,

I have the opportunity to get ahead on e4 tonight, i can't it'd be like treason or something...

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i do it e4 style; unfortch my coworkers do not.

notes and queries:

was the little plane in the safety deposit box, or were the two things unrelated? and why did that one guy have her case under his seat? was he also a marshall? or was something else going on?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

You put your case under the seat in front of you, don't you?

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

the daftest coincidence in the series so far is that the guy sat in front of the marshall turns up in the pool that Kate and Sawyer chance upon, still in seat, with case still underneath, tcha

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

ok, so now referring to the polar bear is a big joke

B-but it came back in tonight's Channel 4 episode!

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 2 November 2005 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

Does anyone know what that bit of Spanish that Walt read out aloud from the comic means? The last bit sounded like "made a polar bear".

― Mooro (Mooro), Thursday, 3 November 2005 06:33 (nineteen years ago)

last night's e4 ep SPOILERAGE

NOT A BIG SPOILER BUT....

THIS IS A SPOILER...

so when did jack receive gun training (or locke, for that matter, but we can kind of accept that as being of a "piece" with his other special forces-type training)?

SPOILER OVER

NO MORE SPOILER

IT'S OVER NOW

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 09:34 (nineteen years ago)

the daftest coincidence in the series so far is that the guy sat in front of the marshall turns up in the pool that Kate and Sawyer chance upon, still in seat, with case still underneath, tcha
-- Sociah T Azzahole (stevem7...), November 2nd, 2005.

i don't see why that's so daft.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

i think i am the only person in this bitch who hasn't d/ld. it makes me sad.

No, but I've been so tempted!

SPOILER? Not really.

so when did jack receive gun training (or locke, for that matter, but we can kind of accept that as being of a "piece" with his other special forces-type training)?

Uh, why would it be strange that he knows how to handle a gun? Especially Locke because he obviously trained himself. They're American, it's not so weird for those blokes to learn how to use a gun there. major winky

― Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Thursday, 3 November 2005 09:53 (nineteen years ago)

What about Charlie though? I reckon he's used a gun before too.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

i wonder. yeah, charlie was pretty handy wasn't he? pretty tight patten, multiple rounds etc.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:02 (nineteen years ago)

Also, the other thing bugging me from a few episodes ago was the coincidence of Sawyer being brought into the same Australian police station that Boon was in when he was complaining about Shannon's boyfriend.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

these aren't coincidences?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

I think they are coincidences. Merely to make the whole thing ironic in hindsight. Y'know, Sawyer having a better chance of filing a complaint if Boon had beaten his stepsister. Does that make sense?

― Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:12 (nineteen years ago)

we don't know why sawyer was there, yet?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

Hold on, we don't? I remember we did see that he wanted to steal money or something but didn't because that kid showed up or something.

― Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:22 (nineteen years ago)

wasn't that in america?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:24 (nineteen years ago)

True. God, I'm turning senile. :-(

― Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:25 (nineteen years ago)

i don't see why that's so daft.
-- Theorry Henry

the odds of people landing in the pool, the odds of those people being of particular use to the people who find them (i.e. what is found with them), the odds of it being Kate who finds them first...

but this level of unlikeliness/'coincidence' does get surpassed itself, eventually (vague cryptic spoiler you needn't worry about).

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:32 (nineteen years ago)

ok, other coincidences: locke and boon, in the middle of the jungle, drop something in a place where it lands on that metal door-thing.

OH SHIT, derailing my train of thought, but what WAS that thing saeed found on the beach that led to the french woman?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

I am going to change my ilx-name to "major winky". thanks Nathalie

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

charlie shooting ethan was the most annoying thing ever, but i think charlie 'had his reasons for this'. how did claire escape and why did ethan look like he'd been beaten up? did the polar bear get him? and if he's as hot shit at beating people up as he clearly is, why didn't he just *get* claire instead of doing the whole 'get claire for me' thing?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

oops, sorry c4 viewers.

http://www.ceafinney.com/boobob/photos/sfo-2001nov/dsc-200111111125-005-ceaf.jpg

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

I am going to change my ilx-name to "major winky"

why not 'big cock'?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Ethan's cuts and bruises mean that he in fact IS the polar bear. An animagus, or something. (I actually thought that the dog would return covered in cuts and marks because it had morphed into the polar bear during the attack on Walt, but maybe it's something to do with Ethan instead).

Also : Locke making that hallucinogenic goo makes me think that he is orchestrating more events on the island than we're currently aware of.

Also : Why did the Korean couple exchange such weird looks when discussing whether Claire's baby was okay? Is there some backstory regarding them and a baby, I wonder?

― C J (C J), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

yes, shit i forgot about locke's goo. add to that the black-stone, white-stone thing, his ability to sense walt's son's psychic powers, his mysteriously acquired special forces training and erm ability not to be paralysed and... well, a lot to chew on.

is korean guy after claire's baby?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think the Korean guy prefers fish.

Also : Locke making that hallucinogenic goo makes me think that he is orchestrating more events on the island than we're currently aware of.

Maybe he constructed the whole thing! Maybe it's all a DREAM! Seriously, I liked that idea of the nightmare so that he could free himself of his sister, but someone told me they found it a copout/cliche. It is, in a way, I guess...

― Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

i think it would be quite annoying if locke was making everybody hallucinate ethan. maybe he 'treats' the boar. but i doubt that's the case. it was interesting that he thought ethan had come from the sea.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

My very way-out theory (it was late and I was tired) about the Frenchwoman writing out song lyrics for "Beyond The Sea" = that song featured in the Finding Nemo movie = Nemo is also a submarine = Ethan came from a submarine which is still somewhere offshore.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

OR OR OR .... the thing which Locke and Boon have found in the jungle, could that be a submarine?? That's why it's got a totally sealed hatch on it.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

the submarine option works. i mean ethan looks quite specials ops. and the cable to the french woman's place maybe somehow has something to do with it?

the underground door, though... no idea.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

When Hurley gets stung by a jellyfish and is telling Jin he has to pee on his foot ("I saw it on a TV show!") I like to think that he is referring to that episode of Friends where Chandler has to pee on Monica's foot.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

oh actually:

- tide coming in up the beach
- compass wtfs w. locke and saaed
- the cable into the ocean
- the metal door thingy

=>> the 'island' is moving?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:23 (nineteen years ago)

That's an interesting idea. I thought that perhaps it had some kind of magnetic force field (which would make the compasses go weird, and might have affected the plane's instruments and been the cause of the crash in the first place).

― C J (C J), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

ah, good point.

i look forward to these points being post-rationalised in the inevitable movie tie-in book in about 2008.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't think there was any significance over 'the baby' in the exchange between the korean couple - i thought just that the korean guy was beginning to suspect his wife could understand english

― cant_login, Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:06 (nineteen years ago)

ah, yes, good point. it's interesting they've only just started to subtite the koreans.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

Might very well be. I read an interview with the script writer and apparently he likes to put little references to his fave sitcoms in the dialogues. (In one episode a character says her father wants to buy a firm in Slough or wherever the Office has its... uh firm.)

― Nathalie, the Queen of Frock 'n' Fall (stevie nixed), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah the Slough paper factory episode was on last night, we noticed that one.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

ricky g was in JJAbrams Alias

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 3 November 2005 12:35 (nineteen years ago)

i love that idea about 'the island is moving' - before another polar bear appeared, and they showed the comic book one again, there was an illustration on a previous page of what looked something like an enclosed artificial environment floating in space or something - i think it was depicted as bluesky + clouds under a massive dome

i have wondered about those instantaneous downpours : artificial weather ?
(and locke sems to know when they are about to occur)

(i am non-travelled and half-believed that in the tropics perhaps such things just happen - but there's never any indication from the characters that 'oh yes it's raining because of that massive cloud that has suddenly appeared' or of 'oh look there's a massive rain belt sweeping towards us' - it's always like 'where'd this come from?')

― cant_login, Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

in the tropix i do think you have sudden rain. but i doubt you could predict it to the minute. you are right re. weird space station thing in comic...

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 3 November 2005 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

i think last nite's e4 was the worst yet, or the worst since the korean woman's backstory. i think that their backstory was too similar both times, and also it doesn't seem to impact on the show itself -- there's not enough mystery; the only thing 'there' is the 'omg she can speak english!' secret. the staging of the revelation of this secret, on the beach, was poor, and locke's entry -- for one line -- very poor indeed. i don't appreciate the gimmick of sometimes subtitling and sometimes not subtitling their dialogue; and even worse, in the climax of the episode, she spoke in english to jin -- and he seemed to understand!

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 10:18 (nineteen years ago)

Well, wait and see what happens. :-) Sometimes it's irrelevant what they are saying as it's more about the inability to communicate (with others or eachother). Also they are a couple, so he's bound to more or less know what she says (even if it's in a language he doesn't know). At first I thought it was a bit *lame* but since I saw a couple more episodes, I thought it was actually a very good ingredient.

I did think that (for us double) episode was one of the weakest yet, but not weak enough to still be obsessed by it. We're a bit further ahead and all I can say: it gets WICKEDLY GOOD again. :-)

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 17 November 2005 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

is jin actually carrying a whole shitload of watches?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

I was wondering that too.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 17 November 2005 11:56 (nineteen years ago)

i liked the ending, w. hurvey, although it would maybe have worked better a few months ago -- this was the first ep in yonks to use the 'emo fadeout' scene.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

is jin actually carrying a whole shitload of watches?

How do you mean?

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 17 November 2005 12:07 (nineteen years ago)

the reason he was flying to LA was to unload a shipment of watches for the boss. my guess is... THEY ALL SHOW DIFFERENT TIMES.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 12:10 (nineteen years ago)

the second sawyer episode (which i believe was on C4 last night ... i dunno, i'm up to ep 21 on the DVDs aldo gave me) is a thing of absolute perfection. it broke my heart.

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

yeah's it's brill. all the morans in my office was like 'uhh, bawring'.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

what? jesus christ. people! i don't get 'em.

i'm scared of finishing the DVDs and having a big lost-shaped hole in my life ... i really have become quite immersed in this thing. i suppose i should start hunting down season two :)

― grimly fiendish (grimlord), Thursday, 17 November 2005 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

I may (if I can get the software to work properly) be putting together some series 2 disks. I've got Eps 1-7 so far, I think.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 17 November 2005 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

The second Sawyer episode = best of the series so far, I think.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 17 November 2005 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

if you watched, you'd know that there's only one watch

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 17 November 2005 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

i watched, RJG, but fatigue and booze caused me to miss the detail. sorry.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

but we *saw* only one watch, does that mean there was only one watch?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

we saw only one jin, too

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 17 November 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

how do you know it wasn't a different jin in each scene, smart guy?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 17 November 2005 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

it may turn out that way, I suppose

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 17 November 2005 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

pwnt

― g-clit (g-kit), Thursday, 17 November 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Come on, you guys, give me some frigging spoilers. I saw a double episode again last night. Nearly made me cry. It was so good.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 22 November 2005 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

a fkn advert for play.com contains one spoiler, the cunts.

heat this week also had a spoiler.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

Channel 4 been told offcom for putting too many adverts on during the show.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

i like the ads, they make the show feel long, even if it isn't.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

i was wondering if the episodes of Lost you can download on iTunes have adverts built in? presumably not as people would just skip them anyway.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

do people actually watch 'lost' on the bus, then?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

something better happen tonight, i'm getting bored!

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

fucking heat revealed something that happened.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

What do you expect from Heat?

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

gossip, blurry photos of girls aloud in tesco, movie reviews...

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

ah yes, those deep, quality thought-provoking movie reviews really make Heat a sound purchase.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

i think they're pretty good actually -- better than most papers. and ch4rles g4nt is a dude.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

WHAT WAS THE SPOILER? god, i'm so desperate i crave spoilers. mental.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Ben is Glory.

― Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 23 November 2005 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Anna-Lucia is the hottest thing on the show. With her guns and her tummy and her muscular breasts.

She and Sayeed (sp?) should have made out.

― Miss Misery xox (MissMiseryTX), Thursday, 24 November 2005 02:55 (nineteen years ago)

WHAT WAS THE SPOILER? god, i'm so desperate i crave spoilers. mental.
-- Nathalie (stevi...), November 23rd, 2005.

related to hurley's lottery numbers.

last night's e4 ep was AMAZING. hurley owns locke.

i can't remember what locke was doing in claire's dream. it was odd she was not more creeped out by him? maybe he used his 'glue' on her?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 24 November 2005 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

HURRAH, finally hurley's ep.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 24 November 2005 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

Why did the announcer on E4 say "Now Locke gets unhinged on Lost" before the show started? He was acting normal the whole show! Was that a spoiler for next week by accident or something?

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 24 November 2005 09:43 (nineteen years ago)

he was acting kind of strangely, but perhaps no more than usual.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 24 November 2005 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

Exactly. He built a cot for Claire, that was it. I was expecting him to go on a murderous rampage! Well, maybe not, but still...

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 24 November 2005 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

was he not doing something baby-related in claire's dream?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 24 November 2005 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

But that was in her dream! Actually I don't remember her dream. Maybe I wasn't paying attention.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 24 November 2005 10:05 (nineteen years ago)

related to hurley's lottery numbers.

Oh that was last week for us. One of my fave episodes EVAH. I think Hurley's my favourite character. This week, which will be next for you guys, is also fantastic.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 24 November 2005 10:09 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, i mean the dream she had just before ethan got her. she dreamt of locke, who had one black eye, one reg'lar eye, and he was... doing something or other, which may have been baby-related?

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 24 November 2005 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

SO TEMPTED TO MAKE A SPOILER JOKE.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 24 November 2005 10:29 (nineteen years ago)

WELL DONT

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 24 November 2005 10:30 (nineteen years ago)

Is it even possible to get the Lost *boxset* through iTUNES store in England? I'm very tempted to order it.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 24 November 2005 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

"Locke gets unhinged" = CRAP PUN. Locke = Lock --> thing on a door --> hinge. Perhaps the E4 announcer is Ken C.

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 24 November 2005 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

it suddenly dawned on me last episode that i recognised the french woman in the cave. i'm used to seeing her with a lot less hair. delenn from babylon 5!

― koogs (koogs), Friday, 2 December 2005 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

i'd forgotten that locke had only been paralysed for four years b4 the crash. his weapons training andcetera could still be explained. but i didn't think the backstory was so strong this time. was it really his mother? it didn't make any sense.

i was also a bit miffed by the plane from nigeria. i guess we have enough mysteries already.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 09:39 (nineteen years ago)

related to hurley's lottery numbers
i wonder if anyone has used them numbers in the real lottery since they were show on the programme.

― not-goodwin (not-goodwin), Monday, 5 December 2005 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

Shit I missed the repeat of Hurleys episode on E4 last night because I was watching The Neverending Story on C5.

Does it get repeated again? This is the only episode I've missed so far.... I'm sad :-(

― Rumpie (lil drummer girl parumpumpumpu), Monday, 5 December 2005 13:13 (nineteen years ago)

Thousands of people across America reportedly started using those numbers after the Hurley ep aired there.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 5 December 2005 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

the fact that they've been on telly makes them EVEN MORE LIKELY to be winners, y'see!!!

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Monday, 5 December 2005 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

i think u deserve 2 miss it for watching such a sucky film, rumpie.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Monday, 5 December 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

i wonder if anyone has used them numbers in the real lottery since they were show on the programme.

Eck, that seems just cruel. Like, if you wanna kill your entire family, pick the numbers.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Monday, 5 December 2005 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

haha

"We know that it was one of the things Kate and her childhood sweetheart buried in a time capsule and then disinterred a whole 10 years later. We don't know why she sets such store by it that she will track down the safety deposit box in which it is kept, integrate herself into a bankrobbing gang, sex up the ropey-looking criminal mastermind and risk the murder of innocent customers during a heist in order to obtain it. If it is simply a memento mori because it belonged to the ex-boyfriend she splintered in the car crash then man, as the great Eric Cartman would say, that is fucking weak."

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 11:21 (nineteen years ago)

Let down slightly by the fact Miss Mangan has swallowed the trailer at face value when it says "the final two episodes" without bothering to check that it's only the final two episodes of series 1.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'm so excited about tonight's double-bill series one final :)

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

yeah me too, though i kind of think i'd prefer it if the makers had been able to limit this particular narrative to one series from the outset -- they could certainly have been tighter with their writing throughout.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

Season 1? We're three episodes into Season 2 in Dawlish.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Liar liar pants on fire!

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

Not at all. An "associate" sent me two DVDs with the first nine episodes of season two downloaded and burnt onto them.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

"EVERYTHING WILL BE ANSWERED" haaaaaaa ha

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

I am consumed with jealousy.

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

i could torrent but i don't.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

I've never tottented. I wouldn't know how to.

Anyway, eager anticipation of episodes-yet-to-come is part of the thrill of it all for me.

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

tottented = torrented, obv

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

An "associate" sent me two DVDs with the first nine episodes of season two downloaded and burnt onto them.

omg episode 10 is on US TV tonight.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

I don't torrent nor know how to, but I know a guy who does.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

omg episode 10 is on US TV tonight.

That was the first thing I thought as well.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

We're at episode three (S2) in Belgium. I'm excited as hell!

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

i've managed to resist getting ahead of channel 4 so far, in some vain moral 'well if everyone downloads it the show will get crap ratings and might not run forever blah blah blah'

but becausefo the delay for season to torrents have been had and from then on i'll continue watching them on a wednesday as if acting out some weird tv controller fantasy

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

The bit with the exploding guy was the best scene in the entire first series.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

Barely a three month wait then.

― MitchellStirling (MitchellStirling), Wednesday, 11 January 2006 23:59 (nineteen years ago)

I really didn't see the bit with the stolen kid on the boat coming.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 12 January 2006 00:02 (nineteen years ago)

not that i expected much else but it did pose more than it answered

― secondhandnews (secondhandnews), Thursday, 12 January 2006 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

My, my, my. That hatch went down a long way underground, didn't it?

― C J (C J), Thursday, 12 January 2006 08:43 (nineteen years ago)

When Artz first emerged three or four episodes back to tell them about the tides and monsoon season, I turned to Emma and said "He's going to die before the season is out." I even knew he'd die with the dynamite thing, but I still jumped. It was perfectly played from two POV though, because some people wouldn't have seen it coming and would have loved the shock, and others (like cynical old film library dude me) can feel nice and smug when things follow as we predicted.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 January 2006 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

I shocked myself by being disappointed that there wasn't blood and guts splattered everywhere when he exploded.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 12 January 2006 09:19 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't predict artz blowing up, i thought he'd be a bad guy. the kid getting 'napped was a great twist.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 12 January 2006 09:20 (nineteen years ago)

They shot at Sawyer and he dived in the water! Is he okay? Please tell me he lives! Nobody with dimples that cute should ever come to any harm.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 12 January 2006 09:30 (nineteen years ago)

wonder what 'spring' means.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 12 January 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

June, I believe.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 January 2006 09:40 (nineteen years ago)

That's summer!

― C J (C J), Thursday, 12 January 2006 09:45 (nineteen years ago)

heat says june :(

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 12 January 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

I'll have finished season 2 by then.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 January 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

don't tell us what happens

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 12 January 2006 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 12 January 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

They shot at Sawyer and he dived in the water! Is he okay? Please tell me he lives!

He lives. But the question is: am I making you happy and/or am I speaking the TRUTH?

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 12 January 2006 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

June is not fucking Spring. OK, bittorrent it is, then.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 12 January 2006 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

i kind of guessed he'd live but THREAD SAYS SPOILER-FREE.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Thursday, 12 January 2006 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

I accidentally spoilered myself by going on IMDB to check the cast a while ago for some forgotten reason, some of the actors/actresses, e.g. whoever played Boon(e), had 2004-5 next to their name, so I know at least one person who isn't going to be in it much longer (I won't say who for obv reasons), although no idea if the character dies or gets replaced by a different actor/actress.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Thursday, 12 January 2006 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Nathalie is teasing me, and just telling me what I need to hear.

― C J (C J), Thursday, 12 January 2006 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

The uranian-laced bullet doens't kill sawyer. Oh no. It's Peter Cushing who gets him with the vice.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 January 2006 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

Uranium.

― Sick Mouthy (Nick Southall), Thursday, 12 January 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

I was teasing y'all. I would never tell you! Or would I?

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Thursday, 12 January 2006 11:04 (nineteen years ago)

What's uranian? Is it urine from an Iranian?

― C J (C J), Thursday, 12 January 2006 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

oh, pleeease

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 12 January 2006 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

I was saying a couple of weeks ago when Artz joined the expedition to pick up the dynamite that "they might as well have him wearing a red shirt in a Star Trek stylee", but the implementation of this was great.

I don't feel as dissatisfied as I would have expected, given that they've only opened the secrets cupboard about a millionth of an inch because I suspect that if they opened it all the way we might (or might not) get 1-3 terrific shows, then we could all give it up. I also suspect that there is less in the way of exciting revelations than there needs to be. I think there's a lot of weird shit and apparent clues and a flimsy idea behind it all, but I hope I'm wrong.

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Thursday, 12 January 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

artz made some jokes of his own about how we'd never seen him before and stuff

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 12 January 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

the trailer for season 2 was pretty good - tho maybe revealed too much in one shot featuring Jack. OMG11! JIN etc.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 13 January 2006 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

the kid's psychic powers momentarily went to shit.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 13 January 2006 09:37 (nineteen years ago)

the kid's psychic powers momentarily went to shit.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. If he really was so psychic why did he even BOARD that plane!?!?

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Friday, 13 January 2006 09:38 (nineteen years ago)

I Sky Plussed the final three episodes and only managed to watch them all last night.

Haven't been so frantic to find out what happens next since Special Agent Dale Cooper got shot in his hotel room.

Still, Desperate Housewives returns next week to fill the void.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Friday, 13 January 2006 09:48 (nineteen years ago)

During the flashback scenes of them all boarding the plane, why did Hurley give Walt a thumbs-up sign? I might have missed something because I didn't see the first few episodes of Lost ... but can anyone explain this to me? Had they had some interaction prior to boarding?

― C J (C J), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:03 (nineteen years ago)

no, they hadn't, i don't think, but i think only walter noticed him getting on, and perceived he'd only just made it in time, so hugo gave the thumbs up when he saw walter smirking at him.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:07 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, that makes sense. It just struck me as odd, as though there was some hidden meaning or something. (I find over-analysing Lost does this to me .... I keep thinking the smallest insignificant thing is Really Quite Important).

― C J (C J), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

well, jack clocking locke was another example of that.

― Theorry Henry (Enrique), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

No, not really. Jack only nodded noncommittally at Locke in the way that you would acknowledge a fellow passenger. Hurley's thumbs-up was much more pronounced than that, as though he and Walt had some history or 'connection' or something.

― C J (C J), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:28 (nineteen years ago)

walt looked worried/unhappy (I don't actually remember) and hurley's a nice guy & wanted to cheer him up

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

Hurley noticed Walt was looking at him and he was so relieved at making the plane he gave a thumbs-up. That's all there was to it really.

― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

oh, yeah, he was coming in late

stevem otm

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 13 January 2006 10:55 (nineteen years ago)

eight years pass...

I'm watching this for the first time ever, just made it through the entire first season. Really amazing show, totally worthy of all the hype it got. There is some unbelievable writing (like Claire just handing her baby off to crazy-eyed French lady, ok show, sure) but even when it's clunky it all seems to come together in service of the story.

enjoy these good feelings toward the show because you'll wish you had them back when it's over

― akm, Saturday, 6 December 2014 00:51 (ten years ago)

Hah that's what i hear.

Um I just finished season 3. I like most of the characters less and less each season. Locke in particular has gone from my favorite character to just an amoral wild card for the writers when he killed that poor Naomi girl.

I am starting to hate this show a little, especially that god-awful episode where they showed Charlie getting impaled every 5 damn minutes.

the hate is swelling in you now.

― j., Wednesday, 10 December 2014 04:49 (ten years ago)

it's all downhill after the first season, until you crash in an enormous pile of fetid, stinking pseudo-religious/spiritual bullshit right at the very end.

― just1n3, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 06:03 (ten years ago)

the second half of s4 and most of s5 are really fun

― polyphonic, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 06:26 (ten years ago)

Ok yeah Season 4 is picking up. Interesting new power dynamics. There was a great scene where Ben and Hurley are waiting alone in the jungle just sitting on a tree and Hurley has a candy bar and he breaks it off and gives half of it to his former enemy and that was really nice.

Sort of disappointed to be focusing on post-island stuff as it is not nearly as interesting as the pre-island flashbacks. Just massively prefer mystical/scifi research island as a setting when placed against the 'real world' or whatever. I'm holding out for the 'pseudo-religious/spiritual bullshit' cos right now it's just infinite onion layers of people manipulating other people.

Does this show reward repeat viewings? Maybe you see the Others as the 'good guys' or something?

[[SPOILERS WARNING]]

Finished the finale last night. It was a nice way to do a Clips Show without doing a Clips Show. The ending was.....eh, it was ok. I don't really buy that the alt timeline was purgatory but whatever. It was all vague enough that you can probably spin in any way you like. Much like the rest of the show.

I think making Locke the embodiment of the smoke monster or whatever makes sense from a storytelling standpoint but does not make for good pop TV. Suddenly a character that was a favorite (and the series' hero) for many people is rejecting himself as a fool whose life had no meaning. I can see how this could be taken personally by the audience and I bet it's largely responsible for whatever negative reaction the finale got. There is a lot of self-hatred in the final series of this show, you can tell the writers were getting sick of it. Still, it was a great show, a wonderful example of pop pulp at it's finest. A mano y mano fight while the island crumbles beneath them....could it have really ended any other way?

Out of curiosity I tried listening to the Weezer album titled after Hurley. I had no idea they had gotten so bad!

Man, you really blasted through that. Maybe that's the only way to appreciate the ending.

― Simply The Bessed! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:28 (ten years ago)

I speed watched the whole last series in a day or so recently, forwarding through the alt timeline (off island) stuff.

― MaresNest, Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:39 (ten years ago)

I can see how this could be taken personally by the audience and I bet it's largely responsible for whatever negative reaction the finale got

no. the negative response was largely due to the "flash sideways" crap and the general lack of a satisfactory resolution to the whole thing.

― rising stones cross (anagram), Wednesday, 17 December 2014 21:49 (ten years ago)

One thing that jolted me was in the alt timeline Juliet is Jack's wife and the mother of his kid (who doesn't exist?) and then when they get to the church at the end Sawyer is with her and Jack is with Kate. Maybe I read that wrong.

I did appreciate the meta jokes, like Sawyer asking Locke why he doesn't just turn into smoke and fly off the island. "Oh, cos THAT would be ridiculous".

Man, you really blasted through that. Maybe that's the only way to appreciate the ending.
― Simply The Bessed! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, December 17, 2014 4:28 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I speed watched the whole last series in a day or so recently, forwarding through the alt timeline (off island) stuff.
― MaresNest, Wednesday, December 17, 2014 4:39 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, I have no life right now, so at certain points in the past few weeks I mainlined a half a season a day. I told a friend of mine I just started watching it and she said she saw the whole thing start to finish in a weekend when she was sick.

that's insane!
flash-sideways didn't bother me so much as the really weak, final, de-mystification of the Others and the Island
low points of the show was def. early season 2 (lol bear trap), early season 3
still, would you say overall its worth it based on the strength of the show's high points?

― Nhex, Thursday, 18 December 2014 00:52 (ten years ago)

Hell yes it's worth it!

That first season is so killer. Like there is a scene where Claire and Charlie share an imaginary jar of peanut butter and it's way more affecting than all the characters realizing their true loves as they ascend into heaven five seasons later.

They really dropped the ball w the Dharma Initiative tho, introducing it in such a mysterious and awesome way (OMG this island is a playground for all kinds of experimental science!) and then it turning into yet another group of people shooting and capturing other people.

It was pretty hilarious when Jacob stepped in towards the end of the series and is like "Actually, this is pretty much exactly like the Survivor TV show" wrt the whole 'candidates' thing.

They really dropped the ball w the Dharma Initiative tho, introducing it in such a mysterious and awesome way (OMG this island is a playground for all kinds of experimental science!) and then it turning into yet another group of people shooting and capturing other people.

But this is the thing: they dropped the ball with almost every exciting thing they introduced. I don't think I could even count all the questions that were left unanswered and forgotten at the end.

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 December 2014 02:56 (ten years ago)

Did we ever find out exactly what happened with Sayid's death and revival on the island? He was kind of a zombie for a while. What was that about? What was the 'sickness' that Dogen was concerned about?

― sund4r, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 11:30 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the same sickness that Rousseau had to deal with amongst her shipmates, but yeah never really explained properly iirc.

― mdskltr (blueski), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 11:36 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

never explained properly? how about not at all. what were those injections desmond was taking when he lived in the hatch?

― cutty, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 11:46 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

who exactly were those people ben had sayid kill when they were off island

― puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 11:49 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

STOPASKINGQUESTIONSITISOVER

― JimD, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 11:50 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they had built up enough mysteries by the time they announced an end date, but instead of boringly paying off all the set-ups, they just gave us new ones, not all of which (in purgatory-type place the island is sunk) made sense

― long time listener, first time balla (history mayne), Tuesday, 25 May 2010 11:57 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"The writers were geniuses at manipulation, but couldn't plot their way out of a wet paper bag. And didn't."

In their defense I don't think anyone could have plotted their way out of the mess they set up. Is David Lynch superior for never having tried?

― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 11:59 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They swept half the series under the rug with "oh, Dharma didn't really understand anything about this place anyway." If they were just more variables in this crazy cosmic game, then why give us so much material to care about?

― mh, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:00 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

...
they had built up enough mysteries by the time they announced an end date, but instead of boringly paying off all the set-ups, they just gave us new ones, not all of which (in purgatory-type place the island is sunk) made sense

I can forgive stuff like never explaining "the sickness" or building things up like "Walt is special" but never going anywhere with it

it's introducing brand new shit in s6 and never explaining it that's like .... why. so annoying!

I mean luckily I realized sometime around s3 or 4 that all the coincidences built into the show were just stuff for obsessive fans to notice and would never add up to anything. but at the beginning it seemed like the show was going to be both -- that it would make sense as an emotional / character-driven story for the casual viewer but that there was a second layer of crazy obsessive puzzles that made at least a little bit of sense and were logically consistent (key concept) when you picked em apart. At some point they pretty much jettisoned that and just told the characters' not-very-coherent story, and the puzzle aspect was just a bunch of random references to old episodes thrown around with no rhyme or reason plus a bunch of new shit that made no sense.

― dmr, Tuesday, 25 May 2010 12:15 (4 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― EveningStar (Sund4r), Thursday, 18 December 2014 03:01 (ten years ago)

let's see how much I can remember without cheating

the same sickness that Rousseau had to deal with amongst her shipmates, but yeah never really explained properly iirc.

time distortion sickness as discovered by Spanking the Monkey Professor, due to the island warping time and space upon donkey wheel turning

never explained properly? how about not at all. what were those injections desmond was taking when he lived in the hatch?

most likely a placebo per Dharma experimentation, The Hatch was a complete snowjob on their own people it seems

who exactly were those people ben had sayid kill when they were off island

Charles Widmore's network, pretty clear about this

they had built up enough mysteries by the time they announced an end date, but instead of boringly paying off all the set-ups, they just gave us new ones, not all of which (in purgatory-type place the island is sunk) made sense
I can forgive stuff like never explaining "the sickness" or building things up like "Walt is special" but never going anywhere with it
it's introducing brand new shit in s6 and never explaining it that's like .... why. so annoying!

pretty accurate here. I mean they limply decided to resolve Walt's storyline... in a DVD-only epilogue that takes place after the series ended. they knew the thrill of the show was in the mysteries themselves, much like BSG

the show as a whole makes sense, thematically they nailed a LOT, just by season 6 they were running out of plot

― Nhex, Thursday, 18 December 2014 03:55 (ten years ago)

s6 was so weird, they knew for years it was their last season and yet the whole thing felt like it was dashed off in a last-minute panic. i'll never get over jin deciding to stay and die with sun, with nary a mention of the daughter he was voluntarily choosing to orphan as a result.

― the dreaded Laramie (reddening), Thursday, 18 December 2014 07:40 (ten years ago)

The whole thematic point of a show like Lost should be that some things are just unknowable. That is anyone the philosophical point they namechecked over and over again. But they became quite clumsy about that in the end.

― Frederik B, Thursday, 18 December 2014 08:02 (ten years ago)

Like, that third-to-last episode with young Jacob and brother-in-black had the right idea, but completely botched the execution. Idea: The island is so old that it's past has been lost: Brother-in-black kills mother before she can tell anyone what only she knows, so there's a break in knowledge that can never be remade. But the execution is both horrible because the child-actors are awful and the dialogue is boring, but the central unsatisfying 'answer' that the episode should deliver - there are things nobody knows about this island, Jacob has been making it all up as he went along - is hidden behind attempts at other answers, like the Adam & Eve skeletons, and the origin of the ancient wheel, none of which is satisfying, or even really makes sense.

They crapped out at telling it like it was: That life is a meaningless chasm of unknowability, and then you die. Instead we got a golden light and purgatory.

― Frederik B, Thursday, 18 December 2014 08:17 (ten years ago)

eleven months pass...

i've just started watching this with my housemates as a group--we're two seasons in now and i've enjoying the ride very much so far.

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 10 December 2015 05:26 (nine years ago)

seven years pass...

So was every 'ghost' that appeared to people in the jungle the Smoke Monster?

― earlnash, Monday, 3 July 2023 17:44 (one year ago)

I think so? And the trapped voices were ~~actors who were mean to damn lindelof~~ souls who didn’t get to the sideways island, for reasons

― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 3 July 2023 18:36 (one year ago)

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