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this is where i bite the ipod bullet.

wee chap, 4 gb, 1,000 tunes, £179!!!

carrying it round some parts of whalley range might be a laugh.

― piscesboy, Thursday, 8 September 2005 11:35 (twenty years ago)

1000 songs if all your songs are 4 minutes long and 128kbps that is...

I am tempted though.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 8 September 2005 11:43 (twenty years ago)

But they look like pez dispensers.

― Anna (Anna), Thursday, 8 September 2005 11:45 (twenty years ago)

if i ever fill my 4gb mini it is usally around 1000 tracks - fewer with album length mixes. apple's number of songs estimate are more honest than some mp3 player ads i see - some of which are optimistic to the point of "IN MONO ONLY" surely being legally required in smallprint somewhere.

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Thursday, 8 September 2005 11:46 (twenty years ago)

there should be no problem in having an american friend buy you one and ship it to you?

which should work out considerably cheaper?

am I right?

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 8 September 2005 11:47 (twenty years ago)

ah so, realistically how many 192 kbps mp3s of say 4 or 5 minutes does that equate to? it's just a glorified walkman then?

to be honest i just *want* one and the first-on-the-block-to-have-one aspect is so droolsome.

― piscesboy, Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

cozen: yes, but there's a good chance customs will charge you tax on it when it gets here (happened to me). Safer to get someone who's goin to the States to bring you one back (hello Dahlin...)

― stet (stet), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:13 (twenty years ago)

5-600, piscesboy, I think. Still not bad really.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:14 (twenty years ago)

4 gig is about 48 hrs worth of music at 192Kbps

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

how much tax, stet?

enough to offset the gain in my jape?

I have a friend who can help

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

there should be no problem in having an american friend buy you one and ship it to you?

UK customs seem to notice things like gadgets in the post, and can charge you loads. i learned this when my parents sent me a birthday present my first year here and had to pay the special postman something like £130 in fees (which was worth more than the gift, really).

if you have a friend coming over, i've yet to see people stopped with things carried in their bags for other people (knock wood)

xpost

i like this. it is pretty.

― colette (a2lette), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

How much music is 20 GB uncompressed, maths whizzes?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

Fuck that, I'm getting the DCM 1000 this fall. Everyone says the DCM / Digmind units have arguably better sound than iPod, plus it serves as a portable hard drive, which is perfect for transfering things to and from work. USB, no drivers, just plug and play. Also has high bitrate mp3 recording, FM Tuner, plays mp3, WMA, Ogg Vorbis and the DCM 1000 will also store digital camera pictures. The only downside is really boot-up time, which I'm hoping they'll fix with the DCM 1000.

― Dr. Zing!, Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

How much music is 20 GB uncompressed, maths whizzes?

500 again?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:33 (twenty years ago)

It's not a quiz. I don't know the answer.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:38 (twenty years ago)

Cozen, yes, with the exchange rate like it is. You pay 17.5% Vat+3% MP3 player tax, plus I had to be some stupid amount like £30 to the Post Office for the privilege of giving them money. Smuggling's much better.

― stet (stet), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

pay, not be

― stet (stet), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:41 (twenty years ago)

> How much music is 20 GB uncompressed, maths whizzes?

well, an uncompressed cd is 700M ish. 20,000 / 700 ~= 30

so ~30 cds worth, about 30 hours?

― koogs (koogs), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:56 (twenty years ago)

Thank you, Koogy.

I suppose I should have been able to work that out.

30 CDs is plenty for any camping trip, I think.

That's this evening sorted out.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Thursday, 8 September 2005 12:58 (twenty years ago)

Mac System Requirements

• A Mac with built-in USB 2.0
• Mac OS X v10.3.4 or later
• iTunes 4.9 (included) or later

This all seems a bit weird. I'm on 10.2.8 and can run the latest iTunes, so why do iPod nanos need 10.3.4? Plus, why isn't Firewire good enough? Not that I'm planning to buy one anyway. My 15GB old skool iPod is still running OK.

― Alba (Alba), Thursday, 8 September 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

I'm looking forward to the iPod Pica, which will hold 15 songs and be the size of a peanut.

― Hurting (Hurting), Thursday, 8 September 2005 13:10 (twenty years ago)

i'm looking forward to the iPod pica seeming bulky when we interface directly with iTunes using our iBrains. carrying something just to listen to music? so passe.

― carly (carly), Thursday, 8 September 2005 13:18 (twenty years ago)

I don't think it's a matter of Firewire not being good enough so much as it is the actual Firewire jack + circuitry being bigger than the Nano itself is thick; the Shuffle is 0.33 inches thick and roughly as wide as a standard FW800 jack, whereas the Nano is 0.27 inches thick. I'm not convinced they could even fit a mini 4-pin Firewire connector in that footprint.

― d4niel coh3n (dayan), Thursday, 8 September 2005 13:19 (twenty years ago)

is the sound not god?? oh. how not good? like, windows m player good?
how do u make the volume louder on an ipod so that it's like, LOUD? can this be done? like REAL loud?

― piscesboy, Thursday, 8 September 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

10.3?

: (

that's insane

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 8 September 2005 13:21 (twenty years ago)

FW apparently does work with the nano, it has the same dock connector as the other iPods, it makes sense to ship a usb dock cable with the iPod as PCs less frequently come with FW as standard (plus I don't think apple and TI get a royalty on FW chips any more)

As for making your iPod louder there are apps out there to disable the EU mandated volume limiting (EUPod on the PC and I forget what on the mac)

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 September 2005 13:23 (twenty years ago)

I find it difficult to find information for 10.2 & associated software on apple's website

it's natural that they would want people to move on but it's cruel to force it

okay maybe not cruel

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 8 September 2005 13:25 (twenty years ago)

I've got 10.3 you can have if you like. (I've also got 10.4, but you don't want it, believe me)

― stet (stet), Thursday, 8 September 2005 13:46 (twenty years ago)

I might

thank you

I'm not sure my machine could handle tbh

― cozen (Cozen), Thursday, 8 September 2005 14:07 (twenty years ago)

I love the nano. Finally they make one in black that has nothing to do with Bono!

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 8 September 2005 14:16 (twenty years ago)

OTM

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Thursday, 8 September 2005 14:19 (twenty years ago)

Everytime I see people on the internet getting excited about a newer, tinier iPod, I begin to wonder if I live in the only human-sized pocket in a world of spindly insectoid freaks who must labor unconscionably to lift and carry already-tiny electronic devices.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 8 September 2005 14:25 (twenty years ago)

Hahahahaha! Nabisco OTM!

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 September 2005 14:27 (twenty years ago)

i'm looking forward to the ipod pica so that i can treat it like a son and call it pica chu

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 8 September 2005 14:33 (twenty years ago)

http://www.ceris.purdue.edu/napis/gif/ut-cricket.jpg

"Ufff... iPod too heavy... Can't leap twenty times my body length while listening to Taco..."

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Thursday, 8 September 2005 14:36 (twenty years ago)

CAN YOU PUT YOUR GANJA IN IT!!!!!!!!!!!

HAHHAHAHAH HEHEHHEHEHEHEHHEHEHEH

― Gabe Tonkin, Thursday, 8 September 2005 16:41 (twenty years ago)

Nabisco severely OTM.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 8 September 2005 16:43 (twenty years ago)

I refuse to do anything unless I can be listening to Taco while I'm doing it.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 8 September 2005 20:02 (twenty years ago)

Does the battery fail after 6 months on this shit too?

― Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Thursday, 8 September 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/23/41453389_bcbde73ad3_m.jpg

― mike h. (mike h.), Thursday, 8 September 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)

the nano commercial on the OC was terrible. Rather than highlighting how tiny the nano is, they just made everyone's hands look huge in comparison.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Thursday, 8 September 2005 23:36 (twenty years ago)

i dont understand the point of these..

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:02 (twenty years ago)

neither do i. why wouldn't you get a 20 or 40G, it's not that much smaller...

― gem (trisk), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:08 (twenty years ago)

Longer battery life, at least

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:09 (twenty years ago)

yeah the battery thing doesn't really worry me too much, i put it on the charger every night and it's fine. i'd be more put out by having to rotate the albums on it all the time as it's not really big enough.

― gem (trisk), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:11 (twenty years ago)

I just got the Mini as a present. Should I return it for the nani nani mo? I would have to go from 6gb to 4gb. I dunno, I don't really feel like it, but I feel like maybe I should? Damn you Steve Jobs.

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:13 (twenty years ago)

i would think it's preferable to the mini because it has a screen and menus etc? how annoying though!

― gem (trisk), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:14 (twenty years ago)

I would, Mary - smaller, lighter, not a huge difference in size and longer battery life.

4GB-6GB is just right, to me. The 60GBs are silly - that would cover a full MONTH of music if you never listened to something twice. 4GB would more than cover a weeklong road-trip, any longer than that, I'll bring a laptop with more music.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:17 (twenty years ago)

oh sorry, i'm thinking of the shuffle without a screen aren't i, not the mini. too many little gadgets.

― gem (trisk), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:19 (twenty years ago)

haha milo, my 60gb one is full! I'm going to prune my mp3 library a bit, I think.

― deaf leopard (haitch), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:25 (twenty years ago)

I've got a bit over 60GB on my computer, but I can't imagine ever needing it all with me at once.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

ain't nothing silly about 60GB. mine filled up four months ago so i spend most of my day trying to find stuff to remove so i can squeeze more on :(

― jimmy glass (electricsound), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:26 (twenty years ago)

i only have a laptop so i don't keep all my music on there, it would be a major hassle to have to rotate stuff even infrequently.

i only have a 20G and it's been full for a while. so i've taken to sorting mine by playcount and pruning from the bottom of the list, as that's where the ones i 'fastforward' can be found.

― gem (trisk), Friday, 9 September 2005 00:29 (twenty years ago)

I would worry about losing it, being so small.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller 68), Friday, 9 September 2005 06:34 (twenty years ago)

Keyring?

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Friday, 9 September 2005 06:39 (twenty years ago)

there should be no problem in having an american friend buy you one and ship it to you?
which should work out considerably cheaper?

My gf's getting a mate to bring her one back to Blighty from the US next week. The cost? £137. worth it.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Friday, 9 September 2005 06:47 (twenty years ago)

How is this any better than the iPod mini?

― Baaderonixx and the choco-pop babies (baaderonixx), Friday, 9 September 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

It's smaller.

― Alba (Alba), Friday, 9 September 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

IOW, it's easier to put in your ass.

― The Ghost of I Bet That's Why People Want This (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 September 2005 12:32 (twenty years ago)

I was in the apple store last night and there were loads of geeks there, and loads of nano's too. They look waaay too small.

― Porkpie (porkpie), Friday, 9 September 2005 12:35 (twenty years ago)

I would get a 1GB Shuffle if it was $50; my wife already has a 20 GB iPod and even though I am secretly GADGET MAD I think that one $300 toy per household is probably a good idea for us right now.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 September 2005 12:39 (twenty years ago)

My mom has decided to take back my Mini because she fears that Apple won't support it and I'll be left with an overpriced paperweight. however, the nano that she suggests to buy in replacement, requires a 10.3.4 OX and the latest I have is 10.3.9. Is their a a free upgrade? or am I destined to remain in iExile?

― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 10 September 2005 02:39 (twenty years ago)

I r retarded. Ignore that last quetion.

― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 10 September 2005 02:42 (twenty years ago)

(my computer came with 10.3.3 and I just dled the 10.3.9)

― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 10 September 2005 02:43 (twenty years ago)

I've almost lost my shuffle in my messenger bag a few times. I think that this says that I carry around too much junk rather than that the shuffle is too small. There's a cool caribiner clip end cap available for the shuffle which I've put on my wish list. Then I can just clip it to my key ring or whatever. The end caps are one advantage the shuffle has over the nano, you can buy almost any kind of clip or widget end cap these days.

― lyra (lyra), Saturday, 10 September 2005 02:50 (twenty years ago)

God damn it I wish I actually had a use for this thing.

― Andrew (enneff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 03:04 (twenty years ago)

Make up a use (and then bill your employers).

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 September 2005 03:07 (twenty years ago)

I don't have an employer.

― Andrew (enneff), Saturday, 10 September 2005 03:24 (twenty years ago)

This throws a wrench into my otherwise careful plan for you.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 September 2005 04:51 (twenty years ago)

ebuyer were selling 20GB fourth generation iPods last night at 144pounds

!!!

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 10 September 2005 05:09 (twenty years ago)

that is so cheap!

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 10 September 2005 05:12 (twenty years ago)

unless that's what ipods cost nowadays

― cozen (Cozen), Saturday, 10 September 2005 05:16 (twenty years ago)

did anyone else realise that creative and their zen folks have already grabbed the "nano" meme?

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=10708640262&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=93858

weird. you'd think apple would've noticed.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Saturday, 10 September 2005 07:08 (twenty years ago)

Nobody has pointed out that this thing uses flash memory!

That's a huge improvement for me. What I've been waiting and hanging on for all this time.

No more fear of instantly breaking my new expensive toy whatever active stuff I'm doing. There's also the claims that the sound quality is better with non-HD players (less electrical interference & stuff) and ... well I'm wary about Apple on that front, after my experiences with my iBook so that's a positive.

Now I just have to fit a new motherboard/find a working copy of XP (that'll let me upgrade to SP2) to get USB 2.0 and I'm away!

(still no gapless playback, drag & drop access I presume? ah well. fuckers. As long as it still works with that ml_pod Winamp plug-in(?) it'll be good enough for me).

― fandango (fandango), Saturday, 10 September 2005 11:19 (twenty years ago)

My mom took the mini back to Target, so I guess I will get a nano soon (they don't have them at Target yet).

― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 10 September 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

"active stuff" = chewing grass into mulch

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Saturday, 10 September 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

if you have an ipod, that means you have to use itunes, right? if so, screw that. im just going to get a cd walkman that plays mp3 cds.

― ambrose (ambrose), Sunday, 11 September 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

I don't think you need to use iTunes on a PC, there are other applications out there that will load music onto an ipod. The big downside of mp3 CD players is that they skip. Also, you have to lug around extra CDs, and the battery life is never very good in them.

― lyra (lyra), Sunday, 11 September 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

and the battery life is never very good in them.

SOOO not true. I'm always amazed at the battery life on my Sony MP3CD player. Saying that, I think I need to invest in an iPod cos (a) CD players are always bulkier and heavier and (b) iPods make you happier, FACT.

― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Sunday, 11 September 2005 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Ew, Palookaville

― disco violence (disco violence), Sunday, 11 September 2005 16:47 (twenty years ago)

i carry my 40 gig ipod around in my side pocket. it's small enough to do that with, but thinner and lighter would be quite welcome; it feels pretty bulky. it's more noticeable than a phone.

― Josh (Josh), Sunday, 11 September 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

I saw a Nano in John Lewis yesterday. They are tiny and lovely (the screen especially) and made even a certain walkman-hating gurl go "coo". The proportions seem a bit off -- it's too long and narrow -- but mmm, wantwantwant.

― stet (stet), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:31 (twenty years ago)

This album art thing... is adding a jpg in iTunes the only way to go about it (adding extra mb to every single stupid ID3 tag, hateful & wrong) or will a single image placed in the relevant album folder work too?

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

The hateful and wrong way only, I think. Still, I think it automatically ramps the jpeg quality down so on one hand it's not going to take up that much space, but on the other the quality is going to suck.

― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 12 September 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)

this review is hilarious:

To simulate everyday accidents that could result in a broken iPod, we came up with a few situations that we felt would ultimately leave the nano lifeless:

1. Sitting on the iPod nano
2. Dropping it while jogging (4-6mph),
3. Dropping at various speeds: 8-10mph (slow bicycle), 15-20mph (fast bicycle), 30mph (slow car), and 50mph (fast car)
4. Dropping the nano from various heights.

[...]

At this point we were astounded that the iPod nano was still working properly, albeit with a broken display. Because we had honestly expected the iPod nano to break by this time, we were forced to depart from our planned schedule of destruction and try and run over it with the car. Surely, we thought, it could never withstand the crushing power of German automotive engineering.

― my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Monday, 12 September 2005 14:38 (twenty years ago)

i was just reading that too!

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Monday, 12 September 2005 14:39 (twenty years ago)

-- mike h.

*seethes at Apple*

well then. Maybe I'll just eat a lot of crisps for the next two weeks... fuck Apple and it's "yeah this works but you'll have to make significant, awkward changes to your entire meticulously constructed (EAC/LAME/very carefully & consistently tagged) mp3 collection first"

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 12 September 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

Josh, what is a "side pocket"?

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 September 2005 18:55 (twenty years ago)

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess "a pocket on the side".

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 September 2005 18:56 (twenty years ago)

If Apple has taught me anything, meticulously constructing your mp3 collection just isn't worth it. I remember when I used to have all my music in special directories, organized by band and album and other great things that made sense to me, and made sure they were all perfectly tagged. Then I did the same thing and made iTunes aware of my directories. Now I just give the fuck up and let iTunes file them however, set the track info inside the program, and be done with it. That "copy files to the iTunes music folder" setting is golden! I just open downloaded stuff once then delete the original file. I'm not doing intelligent boolean logic on arcane tags I set by hand or anything, though.

― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 12 September 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

It doesn't change the id3 at all moron

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Monday, 12 September 2005 19:06 (twenty years ago)

Of what?

xxposts

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 September 2005 19:07 (twenty years ago)

In the grand scheme of things, does it really matter? Just bask in the aura of the side pocket's essence.

― The Ghost of A Big Smelly Hippy (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 September 2005 19:13 (twenty years ago)

Basking isn't enough for me. A "side pocket" sounds snappy and debonair, and want one.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 September 2005 19:21 (twenty years ago)

It doesn't change the id3 at all moron

Nice. So tell me genius where it does store the .jpg info then?

If it's not in the ID3 (V.2.0) tag (the capability to do that is in the specs, along with lots of other not often used, potentially problematic features), it must be in the iTunes database? Or maybe you just felt like flaming?

Anyway, as far as meticulously constructing goes... I don't do anything except Uppercase first letters on tags, get the names *right* and flat-file the folders. I 99% of the time rip mp3's from the original CD's so, it's actually no problem at all to do this. CDDB is very often wrong about lots of things, FreeDB is a little better, but neither are perfect, and I prefer perfect where possible!

I can't stand nesting folders by artist/genre/year/misc. bullshit at all. Tried it once & it just slowed me right down. Proprietary databases & folders are a sure fire way to end up losing shit & getting needlessly pissed off at leaving things in the care of a flake of a program (see: hundreds of threads about "where did my iTunes music folder go" "it can't find anything since I upgraded, whappen?") not to mention it makes things more difficult when moving GB's of data between different machines with different ID's & permissions & other ridiculous pointless restrictions.

GAHHHHH. RANT. SORRY.

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 12 September 2005 19:36 (twenty years ago)

It sounds like you need a side pocket, Fandango.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 12 September 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

Fandango, MAYBE it stores the location of the jpeg in the id3 but it doesn't store the flipping jpeg itself. We're talking a half k extra, MAX per mp3. I did acheck and I didn't see it in the fucking file.

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Monday, 12 September 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

Calm down, Semantics Boy!

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 September 2005 19:49 (twenty years ago)

But it might store a slimmed down version of it? as someone upthread suggested the nano did?

I dunno, I still don't like the idea of extra cruft being placed into my pure, virginal mp3's. I also know this kind of thing used to cause problems with VBR files on some players. I expect it's been accomodated by now but I still don't like the idea a great deal.

Anyway (can't believe I'm actually looking this up)

Windows Media Player and iTunes store album art in different ways. Media player stores them as jpg's within the directory where the music is stored. Apple however make use of the tracks ID3 tags and store the album artwork actually in each of the music files.
source: (some guy) http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:TPORkDPdxC8J:www.nikmakris.com/2005/mar/23.html+itunes+album+art+storage&hl=en&client=firefox-a

Moron ;O)

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 12 September 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)

The solution to my problems is probably to stop caring & drink less coffee...

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 12 September 2005 20:01 (twenty years ago)

fandango, you know that you don't *have* to do all the crap I mentioned and you can just have it look at your existing mp3s and be all happy, right? I actually assumed it was adding pictures to my happy little files but I don't care because I waste tons of disk space anyway and I just like little pictures to make me happy.

A side pocket really helps sometimes, too.

― mike h. (mike h.), Monday, 12 September 2005 20:06 (twenty years ago)

I like little pictures too. And wasting disk space :) I just dislike the Apple trend that is to try and lock users into using their proprietary programs & specifications, when it's almost certainly not because it's the only technical solution. It's business, sure, and it's positively Microsoftian.

If I get this mad about this you can only imagine how much I am blue in the face attempting to explain to my friend (a high street music retail manager) why ripping his entire collection to .WMA is a bad, bad, bad idea. "Sounds fine to me!" AAAGGHH AAAAAAAAGGGGHH.

Gonna go lurk in my side pocket now.

― fandango (fandango), Monday, 12 September 2005 20:21 (twenty years ago)

I sort of assumed the thread title was a joke until I receieved mail from Apple about them. On the one hand, I really don't need one. On the other hand, maybe I could buy one just to stick it in my pants a bit.

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 00:45 (twenty years ago)

i knew that was the wrong thing to call it but i couldn't come up with 'hip pocket'. which is, you know, on the side, compared to the back pockets.

― Josh (Josh), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:05 (twenty years ago)

Proprietary databases & folders are a sure fire way to end up losing shit & getting needlessly pissed off at leaving things in the care of a flake of a program

I've transferred files across two Macs, a number of laptops, external harddrives, a couple of iPods - not once have I ever lost a file or had any problems finding files when needed or (that I recall) had any problems with iTunes whatsoever.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:15 (twenty years ago)

Yea, fuck... iPod nanos are short enough on disk space as it is!

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:21 (twenty years ago)

It's business, sure, and it's positively Microsoftian.
I think you misread the market here. People aren't turned off by Microsoftian all-in-one-make-it-easy solutions (that is, actually, what I find people like about Macs, the integration and ease), they're turned off by bloated, slow software.

iTunes runs fine, iPods work fine - they keep a manageable, secure consumer interface without the crap and conflicts and instability people associate with Microsoft.

If computer users were all rugged haXor individualists who wanted infinite solutions to every problem, we'd all be using Linux.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:27 (twenty years ago)

I mean, fuck, I quit using Linux for a mac so I wouldn't have to fart around with kernel compilation and stuff.

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

I only have two kinds of pockets on my trousers, ones in the front and ones on the back.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:05 (twenty years ago)

what about change pockets?

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:35 (twenty years ago)

If I'd ever managed to get my iBook to recognise my external HD properly, I'd have given it more of a chance. Instead it just farted a message about 'incorrect disk geometry' at me and ruined the whole thing. Luckily I'm paranoid enough to have multiple back ups.

And, yeah if I ever had to move something I'd make damn sure I didn't mess it up. It probably doesn't happen that often that people makes mistakes. Point taken.

Still think iTunes is kinda bloated, but yeah it works, OS X works well (albeit with annoyances I personally find more irritating than M$ ones) and you can turn most of the 'suggested' use patterns (AAC etc) off easily.

Experiments with Linux scheduled for some time over the winter ... I just get testy at not having everything my way occasionally. Apologies for thread hijack, please continue.

― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:39 (twenty years ago)

Will the Nano permanently replace the Minis, then?

― Baaderonixx and the choco-pop babies (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 09:57 (twenty years ago)

it has.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 10:00 (twenty years ago)

Might be worth checking the apple refurb store wednesday, if the plain-screen and HD storage suits your needs. I expect they'll have more than a few to clear.

http://promo.euro.apple.com/promo/refurb/uk/

― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 10:36 (twenty years ago)

plain-screen and HD storage of the iPod mini that is.

― fandango (fandango), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 10:37 (twenty years ago)

how do u mess with the volume so it sounds louder again?

is there a site u can go to, to ask dumb questions as these?

― piscesboy, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:50 (twenty years ago)

http://volumebooster.tangerine-soft.de/

Do you mean this? The volumebooster.

Will the Nano permanently replace the Minis, then?

Yes, apparently so. My dad bought me one and now I wanna SHOVE it up his arse because I want a nano damnit. :-)

― nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:55 (twenty years ago)

Target accepted mine mini back no problem. (I can't believe they just discontinued the mini with no warning. Ruhtless!) I just have an xtra mini lanyard now. Going to buy the nano tomorrow!

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 16 September 2005 00:50 (twenty years ago)

who of the uk kids has got one then? where did you get it if so?

― piscesboy, Friday, 16 September 2005 00:56 (twenty years ago)

I'm gonna be buying one in the next couple of days. They're on the C0met website.

― Come Back Johnny B (Johnney B), Friday, 16 September 2005 12:03 (twenty years ago)

the black ones get smudged/scratched up if you even look at them funny. i've used mine for four hours, had it in my pocket for a little bit, and the thing looks gross already.

why can't apple use something that is even remotely scratchproof?

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:51 (twenty years ago)

i've just asked my sister (who's on holiday in hong kong) to get me one.

Some how my 20gb iPod just disappeared.. I went to see a friend, put it down and then it was gone when I was about to leave his house :(

― jellybean (jellybean), Friday, 16 September 2005 17:54 (twenty years ago)

Er, don't count on buying the 4gb one in the stores. Went to the Arlington Apple today and they only have the 2 gb; say the 4 gb is sold out. Said I could order on-line but that there is a back-up. More shennagins from Apple Co.

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 16 September 2005 21:48 (twenty years ago)

i got my 4GB in three days, engraved, ordered it online.

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 16 September 2005 22:15 (twenty years ago)

Why would this be "shennagins"? All you dumb fuck college students are buying this shit like crazy!

― ~~~~ DODONGO DISLIKES SMOKE ~~~~ (ex machina), Friday, 16 September 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)

What did you engrave?

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 16 September 2005 22:28 (twenty years ago)

"cutty" of course

― cutty (mcutt), Friday, 16 September 2005 22:29 (twenty years ago)

I just ordered--said it would take 5-7 days, and the weird headphone/lanyard, 4-6 weeks. Cutty, maybe you need one of these http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/StoreReentry.wo?productLearnMore=MA241G%2FA

Should I have gotten some kind of warranty?

― Mary (Mary), Friday, 16 September 2005 23:52 (twenty years ago)

All you dumb fuck college students are buying this shit like crazy!
-- ~~~~ DODONGO DISLIKES SMOKE ~~~~ (SUCCUM...), September 16th, 2005.

hahaha

― moley, Saturday, 17 September 2005 00:03 (twenty years ago)

is there an issue with the battery being soldered in? are they going to have a very short lifespan?

― toby (tsg20), Saturday, 17 September 2005 15:31 (twenty years ago)

My dad just gave one as a present to my husband! Isn't that totally COOLIO. I love it. I'm jealous. But ah hell, I have a mini (and so does my husband). :-)

― nathalie (stevie nixed), Saturday, 17 September 2005 15:43 (twenty years ago)

didn't you say you wanted to shove the mini up your dad's butt upthread?

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 17 September 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)

Yes, I did. That was before I knew he was going to give one to my husband. I got a mini from my dad. My husband got a nano from my dad. My dad is *tops*. :-)

― nathalie (stevie nixed), Saturday, 17 September 2005 18:44 (twenty years ago)

ok, so you won't be shoving anything up his ass then. what a disappointment.

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 17 September 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

*tops*!

― cutty (mcutt), Saturday, 17 September 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

no, I don't think so. I don't like doing kinky shit with my dad anyway. ;-)

― nathalie (stevie nixed), Saturday, 17 September 2005 19:00 (twenty years ago)

It has arrived. Directions said to charge it for over 3 hours. I charged it all day, went out, came back in again, and the message still said, DO NOT DISCONNECT. I opened itunes, and now it just seems to be acting normally. Okay to disconnect now? I am too tired to play with it.

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 01:19 (twenty years ago)

The message always says don't disconnect while it's hooked up to the computer. You have to eject it first.

― milozauckerman (miloaukerman), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 02:02 (twenty years ago)

Oh! Thank you.

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 02:51 (twenty years ago)

you can set yr. itunes to not enable disk use and then it auto ejects after each update.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 03:25 (twenty years ago)

Oooo it's working. I have way too much and crappy music in my library that I never got around to deleting, and only 4 g nanos so I am only transfering my purchased music (about 4 cds) to the ipod for now. Fun! How do those with the mini and nano deal with limited disk space?

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 03:29 (twenty years ago)

haha I have three artists in my ipod library

Bright Eyes
Death Cab for Cutie
My Favorite

― Mary (Mary), Tuesday, 27 September 2005 03:34 (twenty years ago)

so the going price (uk) is still about £130 ?

it sounds like a bargain at first but then when u consider my last walkman about 2 years ago only cost £15, not so.

― piscesboy, Thursday, 6 October 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

three months pass...

Tell me about flash. If I charged my nano overnight, would it be reasonable for the battery not be fully charged in the morning? Also, how long does it last? I was on a plane trip and after a few hours the battery was in the red. What is the point of having X amount of songs if the thing doesn't last long enough for you to play them? Or am I doing something wrong?

― Mary (Mary), Saturday, 28 January 2006 06:22 (twenty years ago)

two years pass...

so, I'm considering getting a 16g : is it good ? is there a problem with the battery ? ain't it to fragile (screen, for instance) ?

― AleXTC, Wednesday, 24 December 2008 10:56 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

http://img.diytrade.com/cdimg/409039/2466756/0/1153701969/iPod_Dock_Connector_to_USB_Silicone_Skin_Case_for_iPod_nano.jpg

― billion holla baby (roxymuzak), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 00:44 (fifteen years ago)

I don't understand.

― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 17 March 2010 06:39 (fifteen years ago)

it can be remember bent angle. what don't you understand?

― tomofthenest, Wednesday, 17 March 2010 10:45 (fifteen years ago)

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