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What is an Oink invite?

Do I really want to know?

― donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:29 (twenty years ago)

http://oink.me.uk/pic/logo-new.gif

― don't be jerk, this is china (FE7), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:32 (twenty years ago)

Why is Music Has a Right to Children considered a classic omg forever and ever times a billion? I mean, I like it, it's nice and all, but I don't see why it's put on such a pedestal.

― pr00de, where's my car? (pr00de), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:34 (twenty years ago)

dark side of the moon first weed syndrome

― don't be jerk, this is china (FE7), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:38 (twenty years ago)

what is "deepness"?

― don't be jerk, this is china (FE7), Friday, 9 September 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

What does FAP stand for (I'm sure this is answered in the FAQ, but I'm too lazy to look, hence the embarassment about asking)?

― Who Are You, Buster Gonad? (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:06 (twenty years ago)

What exactly is Deep House?

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

What does T/S stand for?

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:07 (twenty years ago)

Why don't people like Billy Joel's "Glass Houses" album (this is kind of a dumb question as it got 4.5 stars on AMG but you know)?

― Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:08 (twenty years ago)

FAP = Fancy A Pint (although I always think of it as For A Pint)

I want to know about T/S, too.

― Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:10 (twenty years ago)

taking sides

― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:11 (twenty years ago)

T/S is taking sides - as in "Pick one or the other: Billy Joel or Elton John" or whatever.
(x-post)
And thanks for the FAP knowledge!

― Who Are You, Buster Gonad? (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Oink seems to have something to do with this: http://oink.me.uk/, so maybe you want an invite.

― Bryan (Bryan), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:15 (twenty years ago)

Perfect, thanks for the T/S explaation, it seems obvious now, I guess it's the / that kept throwing me off.

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

I thought it mean "Tough Shit"

― Huk-L (Huk-L), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

I think that's TS, without the slash.

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:17 (twenty years ago)

What is that John Lennon or Beatles song where they sing something like "Abbah Merkabah"?

― A Nairn (moretap), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:18 (twenty years ago)

True/SALSA!

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

Number 9 Dream by Lennon.

― darren (darren), Friday, 9 September 2005 17:19 (twenty years ago)

What exactly is Deep House?

Deep House is basically soulful house music. The "deep" part of the equation comes from the use of jazz chord structures and instrumentation (either sampled or original), and the fact the lyrical content tends to be somewhat soul-searching. The music, while very danceable, has a meditative, sometimes melancholy feel to it. Some key artists are Larry Heard, Roy Davis Jr, Ten City, and (arguably) Masters At Work.

If that sounds like something you'd be into, you can download various DJ sets here:

http://www.deephousepage.com/mixes.php

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 9 September 2005 18:58 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Tantrum, do you think you could explain to me the difference between Deep House and Chicago House then, because that's what I was going to ask originally. The really long tracks that drop the bass line leaving the job to mostly a really flat kick, and that eventually break out into extended bongo solos before the bass comes back in, is that Chicago or Deep House, or could it be either? I'm often confounded at how much of this kind of stuff there is, and I know absolutely nothing about. Where do I start? I've checked the page you recommended before, btw, but it's a bit overhelming and frustrating since there's never any tracklistings.

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:23 (twenty years ago)

I guess I should have posted that to a Deep House thread on ILM, but I read them all and none of them helped much, plus I'm just too embarassed...

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:24 (twenty years ago)

Why is your taste better than mine?

― pappawheelie II, Friday, 9 September 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)

The really long tracks that drop the bass line leaving the job to mostly a really flat kick, and that eventually break out into extended bongo solos before the bass comes back in, is that Chicago or Deep House, or could it be either?

Well, this is where it gets tricky, because I've heard people use Chicago House and Deep House interchangeably (at least here in Toronto), *but* there is a style of Chicago House that first emerged in the mid-90s that was very stripped down and raw - basically, anything on the Dance Mania labl would qualify, as could the kind of tracks you're describing. I've been listening to this kind of music for 15 years, and I still get confused sometimes, so don't feel too bad.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:32 (twenty years ago)

Anyway, it's my turn for an embarrassing question: am I the only one who hasn't caught the Kompakt bug?

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:33 (twenty years ago)

It's the Chicago Transit Authority. Oh, wait.

― pappawheelie II, Friday, 9 September 2005 19:34 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Tantrum, you're brilliant, I'll check out Dance Mania then.

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

I'd say that there's a lot of Chicago house that could be considered deep house and deep house has always been relatively popular here, but the two are not perfectly interchangeable.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 9 September 2005 19:45 (twenty years ago)

I'd say that there's a lot of Chicago house that could be considered deep house and deep house has always been relatively popular here, but the two are not perfectly interchangeable.

No, I wasn't suggesting that, but the two overlap a *lot*, in the same way that certain strains of UKG overlap with the breakbeat scene.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:15 (twenty years ago)

Who is JANDEK?

― nklshs @ other desk omg, Friday, 9 September 2005 20:19 (twenty years ago)

Am I the only person who never ventures outside of ILE and ILM? I clicked on a thread earlier("Can we talk about this thread that was censored and moved to the Aja/Dante board? (2 new answers)") that had the naked picture of that girl, which then had a link to some other strange corner of ilx with a pink background and dancing penguins and shit.
I felt like Alice in Wonderland. Do the rest of you go over to those weird nooks and crannies?

― Who Are You, Buster Gonad? (Bent Over at the Arclight), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:20 (twenty years ago)

This is what my dock looks like...

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

what happened to all that love for the scissor sisters?

― Bob Six (bobbysix), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:22 (twenty years ago)

Buster, I recommend:
ILE
ILM
Baseball (if you're interested in baseball at all)
Comics (even if you're not that interested in comics)
ModReq (for entertainment value)
NOISE/Pickle

ILBooks is good in theory but tends to be pretty drab in practice.

― n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, I should have Comics on there instead of Film. Film is a wasteland. Books can be good sometimes. Nabisco had a great post about George Saunders yesterday.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:33 (twenty years ago)

Did anyone miss me these last few days?

― j.lu (j.lu), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:36 (twenty years ago)

what happened to all that love for the scissor sisters?

it's not love, unless you think love only lasts six weeks.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

the noise board is confusing.

― carly (carly), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:37 (twenty years ago)

No, I wasn't suggesting that

I thought I was backing you up by saying they weren't interchangeable. This may be my own perception, but Chicago house often has a rougher edge than other deep house stuff, and there's a greater focus on the drums.

― oops (Oops), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:44 (twenty years ago)

names, examples!!!

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:45 (twenty years ago)

xpost: Good call, oops.

― Tantrum The Cat (Tantrum The Cat), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:46 (twenty years ago)

Deep House is also used to describe the pre-Chicago House disco records played by Chicago House-heads.

― Old School (sexyDancer), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:50 (twenty years ago)

Jandek is Sterling Smith of Houston, Texas.

― Old School (sexyDancer), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:51 (twenty years ago)

Why have I been locked out of posting to this thread by an administrator?

― pappawheelie II, Friday, 9 September 2005 20:52 (twenty years ago)

What is Crunk? What is Grime? And what is the point of all those lists?

― moley, Friday, 9 September 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

I remember being in a club in Atlanta once, where they played an alomst exact rendition of Luomo's Tessio, same exact bass line, same beat, except the vocals and hooks were placed differently. I keep kicking myself for not asking who that track was by, but I keep wondering if it came before or after Tessio (I'm inclined to think the former), and if any of you could tell me what it is?

― Jena (JenaP), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:54 (twenty years ago)

Crunk is the Atlanta version of hip hop
Grime is the British version of hip hop

― Old School (sexyDancer), Friday, 9 September 2005 20:56 (twenty years ago)

Why do people think they're being all clever with the various "kthanxbye" diss?

It's Alicia Silverstone wit....

― jsoulja (jsoulja), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

I hadn't heard of either JANDEK or MERZBOW before I read ILM, and people were routinely making throwaway jokes about them. I got them confused for a while.

― jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

They both played NYC last Tuesday night!

― Old School (sexyDancer), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:10 (twenty years ago)

yeah and i missed both shows, wtf.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:11 (twenty years ago)

I had Merzbow's first ever cassette release. This was about 1983. It came in a huge package from Olf Bogenhammer in Fengersfors, Sweden. It also had Espelndor Geometrico's first ever cassette release. The latter changed my life: I am still exploring the implications of that album. As for Merzbow, it sounded just like all the others. I thought it was shit. I taped over it with my stuff.

Hooter plunkit? Merzbow is a globe-trotting superstar of the half-university Wire reading coke bottle glasses circuit, and who's heard of Esplendor geometrico? Oh well.

― moley, Friday, 9 September 2005 21:21 (twenty years ago)

There's two words in Show Business. Show and Business.

― Old School (sexyDancer), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)

Well true enough Old School. I read somewhere that someone had had Merz dude play in at a party - the gig was in the kitchen at ear splitting volume while Merzbow dude stood on his head or something. Now maybe under those conditions it would make a lot more sense, in the best sense of showbiz sense.

Why do I keep laboriously typing my fictitious email address after every post? I should try for something shorter.

― moley, Friday, 9 September 2005 21:25 (twenty years ago)

You know what though? Something just popped into my mind, and it wasn't 'stop derailing the thread, moley, people are starting to drum their fingers'. It was 'moley, remember that gig in Sydney when you saw Whitehouse really drunk? Now THAT was power noise with a point.' I take my hat off to the boys from Whitehouse. My imaginary hat.

― moley, Friday, 9 September 2005 21:27 (twenty years ago)

I've seen video of Merzbow getting down outside a chicken coop.
you could register and avoid the hassle of typing your "address" everytime.

― Old School (sexyDancer), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

esplendor geometrico rules!

As for Merzbow, it sounded just like all the others. I thought it was shit. I taped over it with my stuff

there went your kid's college fund.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:37 (twenty years ago)

Yup.

― moley, Friday, 9 September 2005 21:38 (twenty years ago)

PEOPLE, may i suggest GOOGLE DOT COM?

― renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Friday, 9 September 2005 21:40 (twenty years ago)

That won't get my cassette back, renegade. But thanks for trying to help.

Did I ever mention the time my girfriend only just managed to persuade me not to throw out my Harley Davidson leather jacket? My god, I think I must be slightly mentally retarded sometimes.

― moley, Friday, 9 September 2005 21:43 (twenty years ago)

remember that show herman's head? whats up with that?

― huell howser (chaki), Saturday, 10 September 2005 02:11 (twenty years ago)

Luomo has two versions of "Tessio." One is on Vocalcity and the other's on The Present Lover and they both sound pretty different, but are recognizably the same song (the Present Lover version has some acoustic guitar bits and eventually has some heavier drums and bass, while the Vocalcity version pretty much sticks to synth sounds and stays a bit lighter and subdued overall).

― Brandon Mitchell (A.H.), Saturday, 10 September 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

Okay, enough of the rarified expertise. Let's get back to embarrassment.
I'll be 50 next year, but still, when I'm listening to loud music in my car as I'm pulling into a parking lot, I catch myself thinking that PEOPLE WILL HEAR MY MUSIC AND THINK I'M COOL. I always squash it right away, turn down the music so they won't think I'm a pathetic try-hardy loser. But for a moment, that ten-year-old bozo thing IS STILL THERE.
That's embarrassing.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 10 September 2005 18:25 (twenty years ago)

Now everyone HATES me.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 10 September 2005 18:53 (twenty years ago)

Everyone here or everyone in the parking lot?

― M. V. (M.V.), Saturday, 10 September 2005 19:02 (twenty years ago)

Arrggghhh!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 10 September 2005 19:31 (twenty years ago)

I am convulsed with embarrassment at having made such a confession. Especially since nobody jumped in to say "Yeah! Me too!"
I am unique in my loserhood. NO FUCKING SUPPORT GROUP FOR ME.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 10 September 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

But if you could hear what I'm listening to, you'd think I was cool.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 10 September 2005 19:38 (twenty years ago)

Oh well, yeah, I do that too. I've only recently graduated to listening to music with the windows down, out of my enduring fear of being "that guy."

xpost Nothing I listen to is cool, anyway, so it's more about personal enjoyment for me.

― pr00de, where's my car? (pr00de), Saturday, 10 September 2005 19:41 (twenty years ago)

OK. Yeah, me, too.
But I'm as old as you, so it's cold comfort.

― M. V. (M.V.), Saturday, 10 September 2005 19:42 (twenty years ago)

what was the question?

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 10 September 2005 19:46 (twenty years ago)

"Do you want to go to the prom with me?"

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 10 September 2005 19:50 (twenty years ago)

no.

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 10 September 2005 19:56 (twenty years ago)

See! See!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 10 September 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

uh, what?

― hstencil (hstencil), Saturday, 10 September 2005 20:05 (twenty years ago)

CONFUSION.

You just can't believe me...

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 10 September 2005 20:12 (twenty years ago)

I knew you were in that parking lot.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Saturday, 10 September 2005 20:14 (twenty years ago)

If I could figure a way to walk around with the music blaring out of my earphones, I probably still wouldn't. But if I had a car and the weather was nice enough I'd roll down my windows while listening to music. I like music. I like fresh air. Why the hell not?

PS: I'm 36 and don't give a fuck if people think I'm cool.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Saturday, 10 September 2005 22:22 (twenty years ago)

I've raised two boys to adulthood, and I may not have succeeded in teaching them anything except Vote for the Democrat (phew), but THEY taught ME this:
I am totally uncool.
I suppose the listen-to-my-music-and-wish-you-were-as-cool-as-me delusion is a close cousin to that impulse to have overly loud conversations in public places. A pathetic quest for fame.
Also the people who make a great display of their quality interaction with their children. Do they want a fucking medal???
YES.
Everyone wants a medal!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

s'there anyone else here who's nevah ownz'd a motor car of any sort wotsoevah?

(you bet I don't wanna ask this question on ILM!)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

I didn't even learn to drive until I was 28. I'd been living in cities, a car would have been an inconvenience.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:47 (twenty years ago)

Why will I never be accepted by the ILM clique?

― nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Sunday, 11 September 2005 18:51 (twenty years ago)

I stay away from ILM. I don't know what they're talking about. I think they're making up all those bands so they can one-up each other in their occult knowledge. Stay here, where people LOVE YOU!!!!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 11 September 2005 19:05 (twenty years ago)

And....we have PUDDING!

― Wiggy (Wiggy), Sunday, 11 September 2005 19:11 (twenty years ago)

LOTS OF IT!!!!

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Sunday, 11 September 2005 19:14 (twenty years ago)

Hhm. Why don't I quite believe you? ...Or should I ask that on ...oh, prolly not.

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Sunday, 11 September 2005 19:18 (twenty years ago)

I have rarely ventured off of ILM and never posted any comments on ILX away from ILM (suggesting that if I have never left a trace outside of ILM is it fair to even say that I have ventured off of ILM?) and am glad to see this thread here because...

... what does xpost mean?

I get how it is used but to me I read it as "cross post" which suggests old usenet kind of thing with a comment appearing in multiple newsgroups (?) rather than the usage here which would suggest a comment meant to follow directly on a comment that is not the most recent but the second most recent or something like that. how does that work with the term xpost?

― gspm (gspm), Monday, 12 September 2005 00:17 (twenty years ago)

I've seen video of Merzbow getting down outside a chicken coop.

Yoshikawa from Boredoms played a mini korg or some shit inside a pizza box on one use tour.

― Fushigina Blobby: Blobania no Kiki (ex machina), Monday, 12 September 2005 00:45 (twenty years ago)

shut up dude

― i'm so moody, it's what i do!, Monday, 12 September 2005 02:04 (twenty years ago)

I've had crunk or crunge or whatever it's called explained to me by Ned Raggett himself and I still don't understand. Oh well.

And can someone explain Oink to me without a link which will take me god knows where because I'm not clicking on things I don't know.

And, erm, I'm 35 and have never owned a car and take extreme delight in *never* having been "cool" or indeed caring.

― Luminiferous Aether (kate), Monday, 12 September 2005 07:41 (twenty years ago)

What's the Aja/Dante board?

― Baaderonixx and the choco-pop babies (baaderonixx), Monday, 12 September 2005 08:04 (twenty years ago)

Et voila:

http://ilx.wh3rd.net/newquestions.php?board=68

― nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Monday, 12 September 2005 08:06 (twenty years ago)

I'm 36 and have never had a car, nor tried to drive one.

― OleM (OleM), Monday, 12 September 2005 10:18 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Nath - I meant what is the point of that board?

― Baaderonixx and the choco-pop babies (baaderonixx), Monday, 12 September 2005 11:12 (twenty years ago)

Originally it was the board where Dante could declare his undying love for Aja and Aja could tell him to shut up. Aja's dad found out about it and pt the megasmackdown on the whole shebang; now it's a graveyard for threads that fail even the basic ILE "no thread is too stupid" rule.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 September 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

"My imaginary hat."

Mole, you should buy a hat!!

― scott seward (scott seward), Monday, 12 September 2005 11:21 (twenty years ago)

thanks Ghost of Dan - I'm gonna have to chase down that episode...

― Baaderonixx and the choco-pop babies (baaderonixx), Monday, 12 September 2005 11:34 (twenty years ago)

crunk or crunge or whatever it's called

it would be great if a genre called "crunge" arose from this thread, possibly involving heavy rock bands trying to play straight funk.

― deaf leopard (haitch), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

Next time someone asks me what kind of music I play, I will answer "Crunge"!

(Though actually, isn't The Crunge a Zeppelin song?)

― Luminiferous Aether (kate), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:00 (twenty years ago)

Thanks Nath - I meant what is the point of that board?

Sorry, I always assume people are as dumb as I am. ;-)

― nathalie's pocket revolution (stevie nixed), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:02 (twenty years ago)

The 'x' in 'xpost' here is more like the idea of 'talking across' someone in a conversation.

In other news, != does not equal "does not equal" but we don't mind.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:08 (twenty years ago)

OK, I'm going to start using instead of != how about that?

― Luminiferous Aether (kate), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:09 (twenty years ago)

Well, that didn't work! Humph!

― Smug and Pious (kate), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:15 (twenty years ago)

xxpost - cheers.

― gspm (gspm), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:19 (twenty years ago)

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― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:20 (twenty years ago)

Well, at least you didn't criticise my spelling. :-|

― Smug and Pious (kate), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:21 (twenty years ago)

Where does Marissa Merchant come from? and who exactly is Bela Fleck?

― Baaderonixx and the choco-pop babies (baaderonixx), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:23 (twenty years ago)

Also the people who make a great display of their quality interaction with their children. Do they want a fucking medal???
YES.
Everyone wants a medal!

Can I just take a moment and say that this is really the greatest thing ever written and says more to me about the human condition than reams and reams of philosophy texts? (Well, not reams and reams but WOW is that ever true.)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:25 (twenty years ago)

NOTE TO EVERYONE: Because the board automatically interprets anything that begins with a less-than sign as an HTML element, you have to use HTML literals to represent the less-than sign or fake HTML elements:

< = <
%amp;gt; = >

That is all.

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:26 (twenty years ago)

Just the one ream.

I have no idea about the whole Marissa Marchant thread but there is a head-scratching post on the ModReq board about it.

― Tom (Groke), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

(Um, That should read >. Oops.)

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:27 (twenty years ago)

Bwah hah hah hah hah!!!

There is nothing funnier in the world than someone who makes an error while being pedantic.

― Smug and Pious (kate), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:28 (twenty years ago)

When did "pedantic" become a synonym for "helpful"?

― The Ghost of Black Elegance (Dan Perry), Monday, 12 September 2005 12:29 (twenty years ago)

what is a "house anthem"

― don't be jerk, this is china (FE7), Monday, 12 September 2005 21:06 (twenty years ago)

it's a tune guaranteed to get the bar regulars jumping. most bars have a sign listing their house anthems to prevent arguments and inappropriate jukebox selections.

― W i l l (common_person), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:30 (twenty years ago)

Beth, I do that, too, and I'm 33. (million x-post)

― luna (luna.c), Monday, 12 September 2005 22:55 (twenty years ago)

why do people like buckaroo banzai?

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:57 (twenty years ago)

Okay, so I like dance music (housey stuff, kompakt, lotsa the germans) but the other day I went to see Richie Hawtin and hated it. Granted, it could have been my frame of mind/vibe/whatever random thing, but it felt too fast and too 'up', if that makes sense. Now, are his DJ sets called 'techno'? Because I like techno, or at least think i do, but this wasn't the thing for me. Does his stuff come from more of a rave grounding that makes it faster and more full-on, with so few breakdowns? Is there any differentiation in descriptors between this and what I like? Did I just need some drugs?

― jergins (jergins), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 02:58 (twenty years ago)

why do people like buckaroo banzai?

BECAUSE IT FUCKIN' RULES.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:01 (twenty years ago)

Jergins, you're not alone. I just can't get into the guy live myself. (that said, I'm soooper excited about dB festival)

― donut Get Behind Me Carbon Dioxide (donut), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

Ok, what is up with ILM's weird hang-ups with "indie"? A veteran ilmor used the phrase "death of indie" to me. What does that mean? Doesn't indie die and become reborn over and over again? Isn't it something that's existed for decades under a variety of names? Doesn't it also encompass a fairly wide and constantly changing range of styles? And why is the idea of having a philosophy behind the way something is made, marketed and distributed pretty much disqualified (de facto, by ridicule) from any serious discussion on the board?

I imagine there are old threads you all could point me to that would help here.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:08 (twenty years ago)

Basically a bunch of people are slightly embarrassed over letting alternate means of distribution dictate their tastes. This has led to some odd reactions in turn.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:12 (twenty years ago)

not for the faint hearted

Indie Guilt: C/D

― jimmy glass (electricsound), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:13 (twenty years ago)

BECAUSE IT FUCKIN' RULES.

I HATE YOU MILKMAN RAGGETT

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:14 (twenty years ago)

HA HA I WIN

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:18 (twenty years ago)

xposts, Thanks. I think I sort of get it now. Or at least I'm reminded of what I already more or less got before but forgot I got, I guess.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:46 (twenty years ago)

i like indie rock (shh don't tell)

― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 03:50 (twenty years ago)

Me too, and have posted some thoughts on the above-cited thread.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 04:14 (twenty years ago)

, nor tried to drive one.

me neither. for nine more years than you ;)

― t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 10:12 (twenty years ago)

what exactly are breakdowns and breakbeats? (and can we ~~eat~~break them?

― Britain's Jauntiest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 11:16 (twenty years ago)

Luna, I think you're cool (million xpost), and Dan, I give you a medal!!! (gazillion xpost)

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 12:44 (twenty years ago)

Are the Kings of Leon really as bad as the Keepers of Southern Rock proclaim?

― k/l (Ken L), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 12:46 (twenty years ago)

breakdowns = either the bit in a song where the beat is cut and a vocal harmony comes in (or some other tangent) e.g. the bit in En Vogue's 'Never Gonna Get' after the 'now it's time for a breakdown' announcement

or, from what i can gather, an extended snare roll or filtered sequence spanning 8 or many more bars in a Dance track e.g. all of them ever - though this is really a 'build-up'

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 12:51 (twenty years ago)

break = The part of the song that people dance the hardest and do all their fancy moves, i.e. in James Brown songs when he yells something and just the drums or just the rhythm section does an extra funky little thing for a bunch of bars.

Hence breakbeat.

As for breakDOWN, seems like a looser term, but what Sociah said sounds sort of right. It's just a part that's not really a bridge or a verse or a chorus but where something in the whole band dynamic changes and gets meaner or funkier or something like that. Sometimes the breakdown is a break in the above sense.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:40 (twenty years ago)

what are breakz?

― Baaderonixx and the choco-pop babies (baaderonixx), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:42 (twenty years ago)

Who are Brakes?

― Ancients of LAUTRO (kate), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

(And why do they insist on breaking my bandmate's legs?!?)

― Ancients of LAUTRO (kate), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:47 (twenty years ago)

what the hell was i doing when i bought Pocket Full Of Kryptonite? i mean, shit, back then i had to go without lunch for a couple of weeks to scrape together the price of a tape. how could i have been so careless after all that sacrifice?

― Lee F# (fsharp), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 13:57 (twenty years ago)

I bought that tape.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Breakbeats = something that sounds a bit more funky and irregular than a metronomic 4/4 beat.

― Teh HoBB (the pirate king), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:08 (twenty years ago)

Teh, you are wrong.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:09 (twenty years ago)

The Spin Doctors album was sent to me by BMG or Columbia (I forget which) when I forgot to return one of their cards.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:10 (twenty years ago)

Which gives me an idea for a thread...

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Teh, actually I guess you are defining the genre(s) known as breakbeat rather than what a "break" actually is, so what you said makes sense enough.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

xpost I actually really liked Jimmy Olsen's Blues when I first heard it. But even in my early teenaged years I quickly soured on them as I realized all of their songs have that exact same annoying white-boy-funk beat.

― Hurting (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:12 (twenty years ago)

does NRQ know absolutely zero about music, or less than zero?

― puz elled, Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:14 (twenty years ago)

I realized all of their songs have that exact same annoying white-boy-funk beat

that's what i've been saying about Jamiroquai for all these years, and yet i'd never have thought to put the two bands together before. uncanny.

― Lee F# (fsharp), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

I know its considered bad form to compare a record to other records or bands in a record review but if musical taste is subjective then arent comparisons to other music really the only helpful part of a review? If my personal musical taste shifts daily depending on what I hear and see, my general mood, my environment and thoughts, is it even possible the person writing the review will have the same taste as me? I guess what I'm asking is arent record reviews pointless? Or are they something to read after you hear the record so you can mock or praise the 'writer', in which case, aren't record reviews pointless?

― sunny successor (he hates my guts, we had a fight) (katharine), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 14:53 (twenty years ago)

I guess what I'm asking is arent record reviews pointless? Or are they something to read after you hear the record so you can mock or praise the 'writer', in which case, aren't record reviews pointless?

Maybe. Lately I have been thinking that criticism is kind of fading away, for a number of reasons..

― dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)

Criticism in general? That's a bold thing to say. What do you mean, Daria?

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:27 (twenty years ago)

puz elled: he knows what he likes.

sunny: I tend to read record reviews after I've heard the record, so see if other people have heard something in it which might make me enjoy it more or get more out of it. I don't find them useful otherwise.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:29 (twenty years ago)

I'm not completely sure what I mean, but critics as gatekeepers, I don't know if people need that function as they used to, the internet makes art/music/literature/etc so much more accessible.. and I'm just personally exhausted by it, I spent so many years learning to take things apart with a critical toolbox that I forgot how to pay attention.

― dar1a g (daria g), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 15:56 (twenty years ago)

b-b-but record reviews tell me how to (dis)like something when i can't/won't/don't want to figure it out for myself! (this is a good thing)

― W i l l (common_person), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:30 (twenty years ago)

sometimes for one or more of many various reasons i want to let someone do the heavy lifting

― W i l l (common_person), Tuesday, 13 September 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)

What is a "jam band"?

― ewmy, Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:17 (twenty years ago)

It's a special truss for people whose jam consumption causes uncomfortable abdominal swelling.

― Beth Parker (Beth Parker), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:42 (twenty years ago)

Kate: Oink is an invite-only torrent site. The link was fine. I wouldn't have posted it if it wasn't.

― Bryan (Bryan), Wednesday, 14 September 2005 12:47 (twenty years ago)

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