Introduced me to the fearful concept of Rodeo Clowns...

I think it's a magnificent programme - probably a tad better than The Simpsons, but with the caveat that The S is is more long-running and has stood test of time / continual success etc better than almost anything (?).

Episodes of KOTH stay hilarious on repeated viewings. Only other 90s prog to do this so well = Match of the Day?

Much more to be said.

Pinefox, I am well aware that this is not new. But I am back in a house with a television, and reruns of this program are now conveniently right after the Simpsons and before Seinfeld = I watch a lot of KOTH, catching up on years of being too busy to catch it at normal times.

i agree with pinefox yet again

PrOgOpO7yp$3

(not in ten thousand years-ah)

King Of The Hill is, in my opinion, still as strong today as it was years ago! I am constantly in awe of newer episodes that are near flawless. dialogue, performances, plot, teh funny, etc. from beginning, middle, to end. do people forget about how good it is? is it taken for granted? should i just use the word "underrated" and be done with it. i'm guessing there is a mike judge thread somewhere where people talk about the show after 2002 on ILX.

"My name is Mr. Big..."

i just explained all the jokes you will ever see on king of the hill, there is no need to watch it now

And all that's between is Dale saying "Boy, this is a funny situation. Wonder how you're going to get out of it, Hank?" and Boomhauer talks really fast.

Search: The Propaniacs.

The start of that one episode where Bobby points to the sky at a barbecue and says, "Look, it's ashes!" when it turns out to be snow, and everyone wrecks their car pulling out of the parking lot... that was pretty close to the bone, I tells you.

Revival prompted in part by Wikiquote browsing and finding this exchange:

Dale: "So it turns out I'm not the actual Dale Gribble, but a clone of him. The original Dale Gribble is a super-warrior from the year 2087. The second me, i.e. I, was created to help the first me fight the invading Mongol armies."

Hank: "Dale, that's asinine, and here's four reasons why. First, you're not gonna clone a super-warrior out of a guy who can't even win a thumb-wrestling match. Two, you've spent your life swearing that the robots will eliminate the clones by the year 2010, so which is it, robots or clones? Three, you've already said you sympathize with the invading Mongolians of 2087, so you'd be the last one they'd send to fight them. And four, if you were from the future, you would have seen this coming." (Punches Dale in the arm)

Wow. I remember when it debuted when I was in college, and we'd all see who could run to the TV fast enough to turn it off after The Simpsons was over.

"I know what's wrong with it. It's a Ford. You know what they say Ford stands for don't ya? 'Fix it again, Tony'."

so of course he gets the best lines!

Shakey Mo ruins fucking for chicago kevin.

Phil was raised in Arcadia, California. He attended Pasadena City College for two years, then went to work in Orlando Florida doing construction and cement finishing.

Phil worked as a DJ in a variety of radio stations around the country. In 1990, he was doing a talk show at a radio station in Ventura, California, when he created his first alter persona, Raj Fahneen. Phil then moved to Atlanta, then Minneapolis, then Miami, modifying and improving his characters and the format of the show.

Phil finally wound up back in Los Angeles, at KFI AM640, in 1996. His program became syndicated with the Premier Radio Network in 1999, and was heard on over 100 radio stations around the country.

Phil has 'appeared' in guest roles doing character voices for Fox TV shows Futurama and King of the Hill. He has appeared in the flesh on "Dinner and a Movie" on Turner, and guest starred on NBC's new show A.U.S.A. He is currently working with writer Peter Toland on a new show for NBC.

June 2006: Phil retires from his nationally syndicated radio show in order to pursue his career in acting.

whenever I'm in need of a fake name I resort to Rusty Shackleford

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, April 20, 2007 11:12 AM (7 minutes ago)

I've decided that the character of Peggy Hill is an amazing creation, and Mike Judge is genius for it.

"In my opinion, the day after Thanksgiving is one of the busiest days of the year to travel"

I think that every long-running comedy eventually fleshes out the characters enough that you can just have them saying really obvious things -- when you're watching The Simpsons and Lisa speaks, you're expecting a Lisa line, otherwise it somehow seems false, and they're all so predictable.

Somehow King of the Hill is now that fleshed out, and the lines are pretty much all character lines, but they still make me laugh. Better writing?

better characters - the Simpsons characters are now all just ciphers for pop culture in-jokes.

Exactly.

I'm trying to remember an episode of King of the Hill and hoping y'all can help me out.

Bobby is sitting at the kitchen table (I think) with Peggy. Apparently, he's gotten a taste of some big city because he's making fun of the smalltown nature of Arlen. Peggy says something to him and Bobby responds "What's that, mom? I couldn't hear you over the tumbleweeds and the (something else I can't recall)?"

Does anyone know what episode that's from? Episode title and season number would be greatly appreciated. Thanx!

Isn't that from the one where Hank took Bobby to the Cowboys training camp in Wichita Falls?

> haha Peggy records her own DVD commentaries

that one was on here over christmas. as mentioned upthread, it's gone from friday night highlight to something they put out at 02.xx on weekday mornings. great for the pvr owners and insomniacs, bad for everyone else.

> Hank forgets to renew the insurance

and this one.

Isn't that from the one where Hank took Bobby to the Cowboys training camp in Wichita Falls?

No, that's not it; I just rewatched that one. Although while watching it, it certainly seemed like it would be the episode in question.

Maybe Bobby's getting snooty for another reason... Help?

It's the one where Connies cousin comes over from LA.

"I'm sorry mom, I couldn't hear you over the crickets and banjo's"

Episode 3, Season 7

OMG! That's soooo it! Thanx BILLIONS!!!!!!

i don't watch the current series, still good? this show was always so underrated

Still good. Second best cartoon currently on TV, after V. Brothers. Amazing how high the quality has been over such a sustained period.
I went through a few months where I tivo'd and watched every episode.

had a couple of gloriously funny years circa the turn of the millenium. now is sweet but boring.

new series is still the good

Watching most of the older seasons now, series 7 particularly stands out as being a) silly but b) the funniest.

"Teaching is so complicated these days. As a parent I want to change some things, but as an educator I wish everyone would mind their own damn business"

i hate this show.

"An all Texan Superbowl final... his will be done"

OMG when Mins father 'the General' comes to visit. He's all about making Kahn feel worthless and demands that he put mp3 on his wrist watch. When Kahn tries to explain it's not possible the general just screams at Kahn:

"DRAG AND DROP, DRAG AND DROP!"

hahaha my ass off

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/TV/11/01/king.hill.ap/index.html

Story Highlights

Fox announces cancellation of "King of the Hill"
Cartoon features blue-collar Hank Hill of Texas, along with his family and friends
Fox renews "American Dad" for fifth season

t(^_^t)

NANCY: Do you want a beer, honey?
JOHN REDCORN: Yes please (realises error, panics)
DALE: (immediately suspicious and angry) WAIT A MINUTE...
how did he know I wanted a beer?

they're running reruns of this on cartoon network now

"How much of Bill's body do you think the vultures will refuse to eat?"

I had a dream last night that Mike Judge and Mitchell Hurwitz were having a bitch battle over who got fucked worse by Fox.

My favourite moment ever: Kahn using Buckley's funeral as an opportunity to relate the parable about the monk, the tigers and the strawberry; and Hank's appalled "Can you believe this guy? Tells a joke at a funeral!"

The Sanglok Lama episode is unbelievable. Perhaps my favorite in the whole series.

Wait, that's not the episode with Buckley's funeral! Either Myonga is mixing up two eps or I am.

This past season's been pretty shitty.

also: "is an animated television program on the Fox network (snigger)."

I had a dream last night that Mike Judge and Mitchell Hurwitz were having a bitch battle over who got fucked worse by Fox.
Probably Chris Carter.

GOVERNMENT DENIES KNOWLEDGE

> This past season's been pretty shitty.

True enough, and also true of the several preceding it. I thought last night they were on classic form, though.

hmm the only memorable episodes I can recall from the previous seasons is one about Dale meeting the master exterminator (a woman) for the pigeon assault on Arlen. And she wanted to hook up with Dale.

I'm sure there had to be at least a couple others.

i was deeply dismayed when i made an offhand boomhauer comment at a poker game the other week and nobody at the table knew who "boomhauer" was. i've never been religious about this show, but i've still seen probably 100 episodes at various points over the years and i think of it as having a significant place in the pop-culture firmament. but that's obviously a variable thing. i wonder who its actual core demographic is.

or who it was i guess, since the show's over. (except for a few more episodes to maybe air in the fall?)

love this show

Not sure who the demographic is but it has been my favourite fox cartoon for a long time, sad to see it go.

congratulations on not fitting into any demographic

Anyone paid any attention to the Goode family?

I think Goode Family is showing potential, but there are a lot of traps in the approach, and it's falling into some of 'em. Maybe a lot.

Where do you live, Tipsy? Quebec City?

I watched couple, definitely showing potential, however I kind of expect it to die a death seeing as ABC have consigned it to friday nights over the summer and they seem not to be promoting it at all, (ABC's awful awful streaming player doesn't help either)

Where do you live, Tipsy? Quebec City?

nyc. i have no idea why my friends don't know king of the hill, except that maybe they think of it as some kinda red-state thing.

I'm pretty sure people in Quebec City would know King of the Hill (they even have it dubbed in french in Quebecand hank is changed to Henri)

So is it over or what?

apparently so, to make way for All Seth MacFarlane Sunday. I hope someone picks it up, the last series has been on great form.

The Propaniacs still rule.

I'm pretty sure people in Quebec City would know King of the Hill (they even have it dubbed in french in Quebecand hank is changed to Henri)

How in the hell do they handle the dubbing on Boomhauer?

I gotta try watching the dvds with the closed captioning on sometimes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlbY18HDCYI

I'm pretty sure people in Quebec City would know King of the Hill (they even have it dubbed in french in Quebecand hank is changed to Henri)

omg I must find this

*Hank walks in looking through the mail"

"Bills, bills, bills. Why do we keep getting Bill's mail?"

On the dvd of the first season, there were a few eps that had "character commentaries". That ep had Peggy and Bobby;when that joke came up, they were all like, "Why does he try to be funny?"

I forgot how much I love this show.

man, the one where Hank mistakenly smokes a joint is so incredible

from "Blood and Sauce"

Bobby: Mr. Dauterive, there's a blender right there with a "chop" setting. I bet it could get through these onions in no time.

Bill: (chuckles knowingly) Well, that's fine if I'm grinding up old sandwiches for breakfast hash, but as my Uncle Honore always said, "Shortcuts taste likeun chien mart! (spits) Eh?"

http://imgur.com/a/PiJLk

Hank after sending Dale extra paranoid by kidnapping his mower: "We're putting pressure on a structure that wasn't up to code in the first place."

^^Possibly the greatest of all KoTH eps.

It's a good one for sure

pic.twitter.com/fhA9Ykpqbz

— Mike Judge (@MikeJudge) March 20, 2020

ice cold

I found a French Canadian fan dub of King of the Hill and Boomhower is just... pic.twitter.com/VKharSf8vd

— 🦌🎈Buckley🌹🌺 (@Chronoexpert39) June 30, 2020

lol

So, okay, I passively watched the first season of this when it first aired (in much the same way that I passively watched Ned and Stacy, which preceded KOTH in the mid-Simpsons/X-Files timeslot) and thought it was okay but, well, it was during a time of upheaval in my life just before my contemporaneous tv viewing largely came to a halt, so I never got any further. But I started rewatching from the beginning and...hey, it's actually a whole lot better than I remember. Probably too subtle and sly for me to have fully appreciated 20+ years ago. This is quality COVID-era viewing: at least one solid belly laugh per episode plus legit and unsaccharine feelings. Just what I need to break the monotony of staring at a wall as I quietly weep.

So you're a Bill?

pretty, pretty dresses ...

Reminding me I need to see the last couple seasons, I loved the show but didn't have time to watch and no VCR or Tivo.

I'm in the same boat as OL, I must've been like 13 when it premiered and I remember thinking "man this is really not funny", nowadays I can get easily watch 2-3 hours of clips on YouTube

I will test it on my kids tonight and see what they think.

I had forgotten how complex the politics on this show could get

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKOKYrKRjwQ

also I feel like in retrospect they sort of pioneered the YTP/Vic Berger aesthetic before that was even a thing, a lot of these clips I have to remind myself that they're not edited

I'm in the same boat as OL, I must've been like 13 when it premiered and I remember thinking "man this is really not funny", nowadays I can get easily watch 2-3 hours of clips on YouTube

― frogbs, Wednesday, September 2, 2020 12:10 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

im in a similar boat. didn't hate it when it came out but was far from loving it. if I watch an episode now, 20 odd years later, I love it

It was legitimately shocking for me to discover recently that this thing was on the air until 2010.

this was consistently great when it was on and remains by far the best thing mike judge has ever done

I guess this must just be how I come to Mike Judge shows. I couldn't stand watching Beavis & Butthead when it was first airing because it reminded me too much of real-life dipshits in my high school. Then I revisited it a decade and a half later and realized, oh hey, this shit is genuinely hilarious.

Guns: The security video showing the "last seen alive" of Reese Witherspoon's character was great.

https://i.imgur.com/DdXzXQd.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmSORFI2XzU

Verdict from the 15-year old is positive! Doubt it will be her first choice, but she definitely liked it, and Greg Daniels' name definitely made an impression, fwiw. .

feel like I quit watching it in real time right before Lucky showed up. I could probably stand to rewatch from the beginning. 13 seasons is a lot tho

im watching this through for the first time - i watched it at the time but not consistently every week and only for the first 5 or 6 seasons. caught the odd episode of the later seasons but only very few. it holds up tremendously well. it is much better than i remember it being even. i feel that perhaps the family relationships and emotional moments were probably wasted on me as a teenage boy and now "hit different" as i approach middle-age. i am on season 4 and wondering when the it will start to lose its lustre.

id forgotten just how sociopathically narcissistic peggy is

another reflection: this show is wonderfully directed and its depiction of its specific geographical place in the world is exceptional. when i think of the quality of recent popular animated shows - especially something like big mouth, which looks like utter shit - it seems even more exceptional

I fell off after watching most of the first two seasons but you are inspiring me to pick it back up.

agree with all that. when KotH came out I was barely a teenager, the show didn't make sense to me then but I really love it now. I can't think of an animated comedy series with more three-dimensional characters. I love that none of the main characters are caricatures, they all seem very real in a way you don't see often in a sitcom.

maybe this is just curmudgeonly grumbling of a 90's kid but growing up I remember every animated show having its own very distinct style; The Simpsons, KotH, Rugrats, Rocko, Home Movies, all the weird MTV shit...now everything looks like an ugly Family Guy crossover.

Yeah, kind of really hate that 'overly-slick digitally-animated replication of 2D hand-drawn animation, oh and P.S. every character must have Garfield-style eyes' shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JH4YIXfNeA

"Es esta Juan occupado?"

'Now, Luann is gonna look different. Maybe even hypnotically grotesque.'

I keep mistaking this show as low-key chuckleworthy but then there's at least one line per episode that nearly prompts an outright spittake.

“Buildings explode. It’s just what they do.”

The episode where it snowed has been on my mind as of late.

"Ashes!"

I think Monsignor Martinez is my favorite fictional show within a show in TV history.

#OneThread

The song was initially inspired by King of the Hill character Hank Hill and his passion for propane and propane accessories, as Todd is a huge fan of the series, with the song being originally titled "I love that propane". He later changed "propane" to "cocaine", after receiving a cease-and-desist from Fox, who owned the rights to the series. Todd subsequently re-wrote the lyrics to describe his time using the drug.

Imagine suing someone for enjoying your product and being inspired by it.

propane = fossil fuel

https://www.giantbomb.com/a/uploads/scale_small/34/346797/3042813-todd%20ianuzzi.jpg

Sound familiar?

https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/06/europe/trout-drug-addiction-scli-intl-scn/index.html

watched all of S3 over the last few days. the scene where all four of them are trying to explain how the fire station burned down and in Boomhauer's flashback everyone *except* Boomhauer talks exactly like him = GOLD. second favorite bit, where Hank goes on the dolphin excursion and the dolphin gets frisky with him, after which Hank says "No one should have to go through what I did! Except for a female dolphin!".

guess I have a lot more to get through but this show might have more great episodes than even The Simpsons. I forgot how many great one-off characters this show had. Matthew McConaughey playing a sleazeball concert promoter named "Rad" = classic

also classic: Peggy Hill's Fat Albert impression every time she's trying to be personable

the scene where all four of them are trying to explain how the fire station burned down and in Boomhauer's flashback everyone *except* Boomhauer talks exactly like him = GOLD

I think about that scene so often!

Of the 90s/00s Fox animated stuff (Simpsons, Futurama, Family Guy) I think King of the Hill's run has aged best and is the most consistent in terms of quality, laughs per episode, and character actions/motivations. Definitely appreciate it more as an adult - I was 13 when the show started and didn't see the appeal, but I guess I got to grow up with it, sort of, and eventually got into it in later seasons.

Thank y'all for keeping this thread afloat. I think I finally finished season 2 but I really need to get back into it.

I've seen that Boomhauer clip before, but thought it was some sort of gag reel sort of thing. The context of it makes it so much funnier.

Shoot, here's the clip right here, itellyouwhat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdyGfiIirD8

The day before Thanksgiving is, in my opinion, one of the busiest travel days of the year

iirc that's my favorite episode of the show

really need to get my rewatch going again

I am partial to the exchange with the Christian fundamentalist in the Halloween ep

"The complacency of fools will destroy them - Proverbs."

"Get the hell outta my house... Exodus."

Apparently King of the Hill is coming back, too.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/greg-daniels-mike-judge-animation-king-of-the-hill-revived-1235076296/

that article is not encouraging; way too much at once

They asked me if I wanted to substitute for a German class, and I said “nein”, which I thought meant yes. But it turns out it means “no”, so I blew a big opportunity

Well speaking of Hell, if I wasn't so in control of my emotions, I might be inclined to say that's the sort of place you might wanna consider making a uh....visit towards

why isn't this on Disney+ ffs

I assume rights, right? Oh, wait, it's on Hulu, same dif.

I bought the first 3 series on disk some time back, I think I may as well eventually buy the rest physically too. specially as seems the whole digital world is destined for the dumps but i'll be safe in me bunker with me KotH set and tins of beans!

https://screenrant.com/king-hill-show-revival-peggy-bad-mom-problem-fix/

what the hell is this take?? why would you want to fix what made her one of the funniest sitcom moms ever? am I wrong to think there's actually something progressive about making her the inept/overconfident one?

i want to unread what i just read

It's gonna get to the point where we can't have realistically flawed characters anymore...

was this written by Peggy Hill

lmao

@ was this written by Peggy Hill

Yeah this is a dumb take. Some of my fav moments on this show are the understated ones (like I can't actually think of examples but they come up every few episodes) where Peggy enthusiastically enables or supports some of Bobby's weirder and nerdier behaviours/interests. Usually the interests that befuddle (or concern) Hank but are completely innocuous.

I don't think I've ever wanted a reboot to happen less than for this show. Who is even asking for this?

Good question.

so are all the characters going to be 20 years older or are they gonna retcon the timeline like every other animated show? the former doesn't seem too interesting and the latter would be just strange, since Hank is a type of conservative that doesn't really exist anymore

QANON DALE (and/or PEGGY)

peggy would be a resistance twitter lib imo

back when we were doing the "which fictional characters would vote for Trump" thing KOTH came up and honestly idk if any of these characters would - Hank wouldn't vote for a New York reality show host, Bill would find him too mean, Peggy would never vote for someone who degraded women so much, Dale probably doesn't vote at all, Khan would find him too stupid, Cotton wouldn't support a draft dodger (but might vote for him just so a woman doesn't take office), who knows about Boomhauer

which kinda confirms to me that this show wouldn't really work in modern times. as funny as Mike Judge is his social/political commentary is often not great. but hey I'll watch it anyway

most of these ppl wd be poisonbrained by RW media tho

KoTH characters ca 1999 definitely not. But by 2020 i’d wager literally everyone in the main and supporting cast—except Bobby (maybe!), Connie, and John Redcorn—would be Trump voters with varying degrees of enthusiasm. even Khan.

bobby escapes to the city and has pronouns now, sorry

Come on Peggy is absolutely a Hillary voter

i’ve got an aunt Peggy or two and idk…

oh yeah if Bobby moves to (and stays in) a major city that definitely changes things

Peggy is 100% with her

Bill is probably a MSNBC addict liberal now. Like posters on the wall of Maddow, his secret shame.

Bill’s antifa adventures could be a series-long c-plot gag.

bobby escapes to the city and has pronouns now, sorry

― STOCK FIST-PUMPER BRAD (BradNelson), Tuesday, March 8, 2022 11:09 AM (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

bobby def went to UTA and is he/they AT MINIMUM

KoTH characters ca 1999 definitely not. But by 2020 i’d wager literally everyone in the main and supporting cast—except Bobby (maybe!), Connie, and John Redcorn—would be Trump voters with varying degrees of enthusiasm. even Khan.

― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Tuesday, March 8, 2022 10:51 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is correct

sure but it's tricky to treat sitcom characters this way

no it isnt, its fake and we can literaly make shit up

well that's the internal logic of animated shows, they can reference what year it is and talk about various current events, but the characters themselves don't get any older, so each season kind of retcons the whole timeline. if it's supposed to be 2022 but they're all the same age, then we're supposed to assume they're basically the same characters, right? idk just mentally preparing myself for Hank to say "Lets Go Brandon" in the first episode

I'd be more curious to see them age the characters 20 years myself. I would think at that point the show would center more on Bobby and perhaps make the show as he becomes a dad himself. I would not have him married to Connie though.

I'd have it that Luanne got rich and somewhat successful (except with men as sadly Lucky died like Buckley before him) and make Peggy jealous. Have her in a big Texas-sized McMansion etc.

in 20 years bobby starts going by bob and moves to the northeast to start a burger restaurant u could call it "king of the burgers"

Is Anyone Watching The Goode Family? The New Mike Judge Show

tbh I don't think they'd all go MAGA - my dad didn't sell propane but his suburban white Texan guy friends moved slightly left as often as they moved hard right. Texas liberaltarians who still like guns are definitely a type.

Hank may have been the storied McCain-Obama-Trump-Biden voter.

He would’ve voted for Romney on the basis of hair alone

he wasn’t willing to vote for George W Bush after one bad handshake, I’m sure he’d have found a reason not to vote for Trump

Trump is too showbiz and New York for Hank, I think.

He sure as hell wouldn't have voted for Hilary though, I imagine

He's retired, taking his time, grilling with charcoal. Maybe not voting.

grilling with charcoal

bwaaaaa

something that was just pointed out to me is that whenever Peggy insists something is a fact it is actually her opinion and when she claims something's her opinion it's actually a fact

Wasn’t there a bit where she was a Spanish teacher (substitute?) who couldn’t speak so
Spanish?

I regularly refer to spaghetti as spapeggy.

something I really appreciate about this show is how unique both the writing and the art style are. like it's brilliant in some ways and extremely clunky in others but they're different ways than any other animated show

Trump is too showbiz and New York for Hank, I think.

This would, on the face of it, be a dealbreaker for millions of people who ended up voting for him.

there is one scene from this show that will always make me laugh uncontrollably and it's the "oh yeah" soundbite here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-VZGqrnXmQ

Donald Fagen - The Nightfly (1982) pic.twitter.com/BCo3BSmLWL

— kim possible facts (@HaitianDvorce) March 29, 2022

pretty sure rusty shackleford plays bass on that one

Bobby, the only pizza you're gonna be eating tonight is chicken and broccoli pizza. Only without the crust and without the tomato sauce. But it will have cheese, because that's the way your mother makes it.

:(

https://www.tmz.com/2023/08/10/king-of-the-hill-dale-johnny-hardwick-voice-actor-dead-dies/

wonder if they'll even go on with the reboot now? Brittany Murphy's gone, Tom Petty's gone, now one of your show's most recognizable voices. and they already said they weren't gonna have Khan in it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R189-YSWvsY

Fucking insane that this show still isn't on Disney+

show kinda looks like a Flash animation now

I think it's on Disney+ for me, must/might be an international rights thing? Looks like someone uploaded the entire thing here:

https://archive.org/details/king-of-the-hill_202103/Season+01/101+-+Pilot.mkv

41.1GB

https://i.imgflip.com/9vpf1u.jpg

thanks for that, i've been meaning to go back and watch this again.

(each episode is saved twice there, in different formats.)

:'(

https://variety.com/2025/tv/obituaries-people-news/jonathan-joss-dead-king-of-the-hill-shooting-1236415703/

This is so sad. When my son was much younger, we spent a lot of time watching KOTH together and shared a few moments of excitement over the weekend about the new season. I haven't checked in with him to see if he's heard the news, because I know it will bum him out.

Wow. This comes after the recasting of the late Johnny Hardwick (who played Dale, among others). I guess Hardwick had also recorded a few episodes for the revival, so now there will be two posthumous voices ...

jesus that’s horrible :(

A statement from Joss's husband, posted on Joss's facebook:

Statement from Tristan Kern de Gonzales
Husband of Jonathan Joss

My husband Jonathan Joss and I were involved in a shooting while checking the mail at the site of our former home. That home was burned down after over two years of threats from people in the area who repeatedly told us they would set it on fire. We reported these threats to law enforcement multiple times and nothing was done.

Throughout that time we were harassed regularly by individuals who made it clear they did not accept our relationship. Much of the harassment was openly homophobic.

When we returned to the site to check our mail we discovered the skull of one of our dogs and its harness placed in clear view. This caused both of us severe emotional distress. We began yelling and crying in response to the pain of what we saw.

While we were doing this a man approached us. He started yelling violent homophobic slurs at us. He then raised a gun from his lap and fired.

Jonathan and I had no weapons. We were not threatening anyone. We were grieving. We were standing side by side. When the man fired Jonathan pushed me out of the way. He saved my life.

Jonathan is my husband. He gave me more love in our time together than most people ever get. We were newlyweds. We picked Valentines Day. We were in the process of looking for a trailer and planning our future.

He was murdered by someone who could not stand the sight of two men loving each other.

I was with him when he passed. I told him how much he was loved.

To everyone who supported him, his fans, his friends, know that he valued you deeply. He saw you as family.

My focus now is on protecting Jonathan’s legacy and honoring the life we built together.

If your concern is how someone coped with trauma or how loudly they speak when recounting injustice and being ignored by authorities then you never truly cared about my husband.

Jonathan saved my life. I will carry that forward. I will protect what he built.

- Tristan Kern de Gonzales

Christ that's chilling

holy fuck

fucking hell

utterly horrifying

and the police are saying it's not a hate crime. really fucking great start to pride month

Local news has more details:

A neighbor of Joss' mentioned that the actor had an ongoing feud with several people in the neighborhood, and said moments before Joss was shot, she saw him outside visibly upset.

“We passed by him, and we saw him. He was a little loud. I don’t know who he was talking to in the vehicle, but he was waving his hands.”

The neighbor said, "The two of them had been repeatedly harassed because they were gay and their home was burned down after years of threats from neighbors."

Joss’ neighbor said she didn’t think anything of him being irate, because he had been acting erratically over the past several months.

“He was a little quirky. Mr. Redcorn (sic) did some things out of the ordinary that many people may see as not being normal. If we were driving by his home, he would come out into the street and literally try to stop you. He would yell. I don’t know if he felt in his mind that, that area was his and no one had the right to go through it.”

Additionally, a man who saw Joss at the ATX TV Festival in Austin just this past Friday recalled that the actor said something that took everyone at the festival by surprise.

"Yo, my house was burned down. I'm from San Antonio. My house burned down because I'm gay," the man recalled Joss saying.

There are days when I, as an American of a certain age, find it weird and regrettable that I have never even set foot in the state of Texas. Today isn't one of those days.

It's both a giant state and easy to avoid. A real shame, because there is so much to offer there. Music, food, nature ...

Just sickening :-(

Quite a few of my close friends have moved to Texas in the last five years, much to my surprise, and all independently of each other. For the most part they've moved to the Austin area, but a few are around Dallas, San Antonio and Houston, and while I understand the lower cost of living and taxes are nothing to sneeze at when they're all raising new families (i.e. have much more living costs to bear than they did a decade ago) I've never felt the urge to relocate there due to the politics alone. Make no mistake, Austin is a great place to visit, I wouldn't mind living there for, say, a year if it was for work, but no way would I ever lay down roots in that state. God knows how things will continue to develop in the long run, and a cultural oasis like Austin is still beholden to the state's draconian laws. I know they've had their share of difficulties stemming from this, but I don't get the sense they're thinking of leaving and I'm not going to shit on their life decision so I've never asked them "why Texas." I have no idea how they do it, but it does remind me that there are people in Texas who want it to change - not just new residents but many who've called it home for a long time - and I hope that comes soon.

I like Austin still gets called "a cultural oasis" by out-of-towners when at this point you can get the same experience in San Antonio, DFW or Houston.

I might have been interested in the Austin of 30 years ago. The only city I could ever imagine moving to in TX is San Antonio

xp Don't you get much more of it in Austin though? Maybe even to a fault - a friend of mine (originally from Dallas) showed me around the city and I remember he and someone else talked a lot about how much of it changed due to the rise of tourism, all stemming from things like the growth in festivals in Austin.

My understanding is the biggest change has been due to the influx of tech.

XP

Not really? It hasn't dissolved to nothing or anything like that, but with the rising costs of living and all that comes along with it, a lot of what made Austin special simply can't exist there any more. Whatever that hasn't escaped to the immediate surrounding areas has taken root in adapted forms in many of the other big cities I named (not to mention loads of small towns all over).

"Keep Austin Weird" went from "Weird-Cool" to "Weird-Ick" when Rogan & Musk came to town.

My understanding is the biggest change has been due to the influx of tech.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, June 3, 2025 6:03 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

bingo, same bland millennial gray gentrification, tho it does still get good concerts

ppl come to tx from the coasts bc they can sell their house and buy one here cash (or, lacking that, take a high wage job and buy a mcmansion in one of the sprawling new housing developments in the outer rings burbs)

I plan to lib-gentrify Fort Wayne, Indiana, houses are still vaguely affordable and I could put together a heist crew to rob Sweetwater Music HQ one day.

If you’re a high culture person Houston has one of the leading American opera companies and the Menil Collection, Dallas has an upper-tier symphony and art museum, and Fort Worth has the Van Cliburn Competition (watch it live on YouTube this week!). I think the university-town Austin of the Butthole Surfers is long gone.

Fort Worth has the Modern and Kimbell, the Dallas Museum of Art is wack in comparison.

Oops, yeah

there's a lot of cool shit in Texas, shame I will never experience any of it until they change their draconian culture

FWIW, the reason why the NYPL has their Lou Reed collection is that it was supposed to go to the Harry Ransom Center at the University of Texas at Austin, but Laurie Anderson was so infuriated by a newly-passed "gun rights" law that she decided not to move forward with the donation. A shame, but much to my benefit - even when the subway ride is long, I take consolation that it's cheaper/easier than a plane ride.

shit i wish i hadn't read the details about this above (from joss's husband on fb), the dog stuff especially. a content warning or hidden text would have been nice.

otm

our local pride center is hosting a vigil for him downtown on sunday evening

https://www.instagram.com/p/DKc-xAnxYP5/

thank u to m bison and map for the last four posts

lol Google AI

Laurie Anderson is a multi-talented American artist known for her work in music, performance, and visual arts. She is also known for her work with Lou Reed and her relationship with him. She is currently known as the Cline Visiting Professor at UT-Austin. Laurie Anderson is also a real estate agent in Texas, according to U.S. News Real Estate. Laurie Anderson is a Senior Minister at Midway Hills Christian Church in Dallas, Texas. Laurie Anderson is also a Vice President of International Programs with Alliance Abroad Group in Austin, Texas. Additionally, Laurie Anderson is a broker with Alliance Real Estate in Keller, TX.

(I had to Google the Reed archives thing, which I'd misremembered as being about Abortion rights)

Go Laurie go

I'm tempted to put up a fake blog with blatantly false information just to further distort Google AI's findings. Maybe a history on how she found god at a Dylan concert in 1979 and how she became Texas's biggest real estate mogul.

thread's gone a little off the rails

More details about Joss's relationship with his neighbors (including the guy who killed him):
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/jonathan-joss-killing-police-records-neighbor-dispute-rcna210670

Worth noting that the police have found "no evidence" that it was a hate crime and were unable to determine the cause of the fire. Not to say we should implicitly believe the cops, but based on the other reporting here, it seems like the story was complicated.

I think when someone gets taunted with their dead pet and called a slur by the person who shot them, it’s not a stretch to call it a hate crime regardless of whatever previous conflict occurred

or in less polite terms stfu

You're right, sorry

Yeah I mean...among many other things right now I'd be thinking a civil suit against the police is on the table.

watching the new season and its actually pretty good? first episode was weird because it had to stuff so much into 30 minutes but after that it hits a good rhythm, it matches the tone and humor of the show while changing pretty much everything about it. they seem to have put a lot of thought into what these characters would actually be like after a long period of time, I love for instance with Joseph how you get to see the effect of being raised by a guy like Dale

on the negative side I don't like the way the new animation looks and some of the voices sound off, I love Pam Aldon but they probably should've gotten someone else to do adult Bobby. that said they replaced Khan's voice actor and he comes off like a new character entirely, so I dunno. maybe highlights how difficult it really is for a show like this to do a time skip, in fact this may be the only time I've seen that concept kinda work

I saw a couple of the new episodes, and they were OK, but I was really thrown off by the number of gags that made it seem like Hank had been in a coma for 20 years, or frozen in ice or something, and not in Saudi Arabia or, you know, any other place with technology. "Craft beer? The only crafts I know are made out of wood!" "300 channels of the TV? What happened to three channels, static and an American flag at the end of the night, that's TV to me." I just made those up, but lots of jokes like that.

They diminish after a few episodes. There are some allusions to the fact that Hank's media consumption has been cable news, and I thought they did a decent job of having him accept or even embrace some change by the time they get to the end of the season.

i heard the same thing, i.e. that there are a couple bumps when the new season starts out, along these lines, but that it clears up and gets better

still haven't been motivated to check this out but i assume i will at some point

Anyone know a good list of 'classic' episodes or would want to compile one now?

The episode with Hank's half-brother might be the largest evolution in Hank's character the series has

Bill is MVP of the series, followed closely by Joseph. Found Connie a bit wearing by the end.

yep the season gets better as it goes on, the last two episodes are as good as anything in the series I think. and they're implicitly about Andrew Tate and cryptocurrency

Joseph was definitely my favorite of the grown up kids, feel like they absolutely nailed what he was gonna turn out like