Hipster men and testosterone (or lack thereof)

Is there anything non-hipsters would like to know about hipsters, or vice versa?

NEVER FORGET

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NEVER FORGET

Which candy bars do hipsters like?

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What sort of candy bars do hipsters like to puke?

it's basically what The Warriors was about, but forty thousand times more boring.

um. yes?

I'm not sure any other kind of shirts exist now.

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If for some reason you find yourself *caring* about boring scenester kvetching, whatever your scene, then ARGHHH.

Revive! Inspired by a particularly fascinating episode of This American Life.

couldn't help but notice that I'd never been in so many bars where the sausage factor was so high but the testosterone level so low as to be almost sexless

I honestly don't know how to parse this. Unless the men seemed very listless, I doubt very much that their testosterone was at play. Sexual behavior is social behavior, particularly in that setting. Also, there seems to be insufficient proof that testosterone equals aggression. What DOES seem to be born out again and again is that it leads to the desire for dominance in status, and the way that desire is expressed can be aggressive, yes, but can also be through antisocial behavior and rebellion. Your habitual shoplifter likely has a good bit of testosterone. It can also be expressed through diplomacy, even through care-giving -- through whatever means are required to increase social standing. Testosterone seems to reveal itself most directly, in men and in women, by allowing a certain boldness and certitude. The person with testosterone tends to be "the decider," even if only in small and meaningless ways, and tends to defend their position as such.

How do ILXors rank, I wonder...

yeah i wonder

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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that JW has a shit tom of the stuff.

shit TON, I mean.

Tom is another matter.

Testosterone seems to reveal itself most directly, in men and in women, by allowing a certain boldness and certitude. The person with testosterone tends to be "the decider," even if only in small and meaningless ways, and tends to defend their position as such.

OH HAI did someone mention JW?

xp exactly

What DOES seem to be born out again and again is that it leads to the desire for dominance in status babies

any excuse for that jpeg

babies

It doesn't take a whole lot of testosterone to make babies. Sexual aggression is probably related, but emphasis on aggression there.

oh wait, I see, you are picking on my misspelling of "borne." I see how it is.

YOU WANNA PIECE OF ME? HUH? YOU'LL WISH YOU WERE NEVER BORNE!

I heard that radio program. The guy with no testosterone sounded...just...like...me....sort of...

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The guy with no testosterone sounded...just...like...me....sort of...

heh. I think I related too well with the butch dyke getting massive doses of T.

I honestly don't know how to parse this.

-- kenan

As long as you're taking this seriously, kenan, often when people say "testosterone", they really just mean stereotypically masculine behavior. Specifically, a kind of competitive sexual forwardness.

Then again, <img> picture of nerdy-looking dude </img>.

Your habitual shoplifter likely has a good bit of testosterone

are you trying to imply that you have a lot of testosterone? :>

often when people say "testosterone", they really just mean stereotypically masculine behavior

Well, of course, but I guess I'm confused on what stereotypically masculine behavior one would even expect to see in a W'burg club. There are not Teamsters; you know that going in. So then he said "sexless," and I doubt that. Hipsters have sex. I know this for a fact. Some wear baseball caps.

are you trying to imply that you have a lot of testosterone? :>

I told you, I stopped doing that!

testosterone MAKES ME BALD

i hear that

surrounded by CHICKS

It's interesting that someone would equate a dearth of testosterone with being "sexless."

How about "non-gender-differentiated", is that better?

I get where the original poster is coming from. I don't know if it's a lack of testosterone or what, but I've been in bars where the male patrons all resemble eloi's.

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Buffalo Bill???

I wd like to not be out-"manning" my dates, is all I'm saying.

HAH! Eno was trying his damnedest to be non-gender-differentiated, but he just had too much testosterone to pull it off.

I mean, when I had dates.

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You people are something.

conscientiousness, sex drive and alpha/leadership qualities are not actually a single dimension of personality, kids

I have all my hair, but I'd make an ugly, ugly woman

nabisco = testosterone-having mofo. You just know it.

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Well whatever, the jw mocking was retarded, he's a poster case for testosterone.

I got mine tested some time ago due to (depression and weight gain) and I am within the normal range. Now I wonder exactly *where* on that continuum I stand.

I wonder myself. You've kind of have to have other people to compare it to, though. Otherwise, yeah, OF COURSE you're in the "normal" range. I don't want to know if I have enough testosterone, I want to know if I have more than YOU!

lol none of us know what testosterone is or does

or whether we can eat it

Well, it was interesting to know that I wasn't lacking. A guy I knew had a temporary interruption in his testosterone due to illness, so the doc prescribed shots, and he kept using it after he was OK again in order to maximize muscular development.

jhøshea otm, really -- there seem to be libraries full of books on it that are anywhere from an incomplete picture to RONG.

you people take a cheap lol too seriously

There was laughter?

Oh, I'm not saying that one-ups-manship and intellectual superiority are Jon's ONLY problems.

(or only Jon's)

Hi, I'm going to continue making pointless unfunny quips here until this sandwich is gone being eaten, k thanks

Had my band been ZZ Top, my name would've been Frank Chesthair.

I think we should talk more about ANGRY PATINKIN

So I was in several hipster ground zero bars in Williamsburg, B'lyn, this past weekend, and couldn't help but notice that I'd never been in so many bars where the sausage factor was so high but none of them would be of any use helping somebody move. What gives?

xp: those are problems?

androgyny is not really the absence of masculinity, but masculinity's imperial drive to incorporate feminity.

What were the Williamsburg "hipster ground zero" bars in March, 2006?

xpost Masculinity's Munroe Doctrine, as it were. Watch out, femininity -- you're in our sphere of influence!

So I was in several hipster ground zero bars in Williamsburg, B'lyn, this past weekend,

Blyn is in Clallam County, Washington.

I'll stop now.

maybe.

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more like:

blame the tofu dogs

blame hstencil hoosteen

I thought bovine growth hormone was supposed to make us all more able to help people move.

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xpost Instead all it does is lends a certain almost-believability to R. Kelly's claims that he thought she was 18.

You have to actually eat meat for that to make any difference.

Do they even serve meat at Enid's?

I hate brunch

What were the Williamsburg "hipster ground zero" bars in March, 2006?

Maybe the OP was at the Metropolitan.

Since I moved to LA and became a douche I don't know, but I guess R0yal O4k, Un1on P00l, ubiquitous D4ddy's, Barcade, Rock5tar.

What I really want to hear are more stories about the late Luxx and Cokie's. My building was across Berry from Cokie's. I love Cokie's stories.

Apart from Barcade, I've seen plenty of people at all of those where the main helping-me-move issue would be less upper-body strength and more "getting everyone to remember show up at the same time and not hungover"

I only went to Cokie's once and the thing I remember most was that the stripey paint job in the back room reminded me of a roller rink, and the bartender was stuck on NYT crossword and let me try. It was fun.

NB: I did not partake of the namesake product on that occasion or for many years following.

I prefer Trash Bar to Luxx about three hundred times over.

Remember those silver poles randomly spaced between the tables and the floor at Luxx? They inspired a bunch of sometimes-ILXors to posit an NYC club at which you had to fit between a set of bars to enter at the door. And the fuller the club got, the closer together the bars would be set.

Whaddya know? A thread with "hipster" in its title turns into a Williamsburg bar thread.

Yes. Perhaps that's why striped clothes are so popular with hipster girls and boys, to blend in with their natural surroundings among the poles at Luxx.

It had the worst sight lines ever and the most disgusting toilet-o-filth. It certainly had a lot of shiny mirrors, though -- a hipster's favorite view.

x-post Wow, a thread actually staying on message with the OP's topic!

I did the best I could to change the topic, really I did. I'm sorry, ILX.

sunday brunch is the highlight of my week. does this mean i'm getting old?

Wait until Gabbneb and I start dueling Upper West Side / Upper East Side bar threads

Mine will just be me posting over and over and bitching about having to move

I imagine cannons sticking out of your apartment high-rise windows, facing off pirate ship style.

That would be cool, except I live on the 4th floor, and far enough north that I would wind up bombing Harlem.

I don't go to upper east side bars, nabisco! Wait, I don't go to bars.

Xp - pp wins

^^ missing the joke

nabisco, why are you trolling Wbug pick-up bars to find people to help you move? Asking someone for moving help must be the #1 gamekiller ever.

none of them would be of any use helping somebody move

I'm trying to decide how I feel about those being called pick-up bars. Not that they aren't, but surely they pale in comparison to the kinds of mid-Manhattan bars where people are explicitly trying to live out Sex and the City.

pale in what comparison?

Are you kidding me? They're living out Gossip Girl.

hipster guys are so not hot

having excessive levels of testosterone sucks. youhave the dong the size of a firehose, but dudes always compete with you for no reason, and youtake too much initaitive and end up looking like a jackass 75% of the time.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Burt Stanton

Actually, I went to three (3) bars last weekend, but there were extenuating circumstances in each case. No Billburg.

When was the last time you were in Williamsburg, tough guy?

Sixth Grade

Take it from Burt Stanton -- his cousin has a lot of testosterone.

I like to imagine gabbneb holds like a half dozen of the high score records on the board at barcade

I like to imagine that too. What's on the board at barcade?

I'm really good at Star Wars but my contacts always dry out.

i found a framed poster in the trash in an alley in highschool w/that burt reynolds photos and put it up in my room that had a window that faced the street. moms made me take it down because she was afraid the neighbors would think i was gay.

don't all hipster dudes have big bushy beards nowadays? Surely that's an index of testosterone.

or weak chins

if mine isn't bushy do i still get to not be a hipster?

A certain (real-life) Chicagoan I know refers to Nick "n/a" and Sarah "McClusky" as hipsters. Not in a disparaging way, but it is still weird to hear them called that.

Umm, I guess she's KitCat, not McClusky now. Still, same person.

that's hilarious.
I remember the big hipster beef between nick and yancey back in the other half of the decade where nick was holding it down richmond style while fellow W&Mster Y had emigrated to the large apple and they had many differences of opinion on what was a valid life stance. then n+s moved to chicago and got married. a beef remake would be interesting for 2008 but none of em don't post hardly t'all no more

They do on the Chicago thread.

sarah posts all the time! And nick's around, he just keeps weird hours sometimes.

I can see why someone might lump them in w/ those I consider hipsters, and as I said to a mutual friend earlier, maybe if I got to know purported hipsters (Wicker-Parkians here), maybe the term would be meaningless and we would all just Get Along. Still, the things that might identify them as hipsters (and if you think about it, they're not hard to pinpoint) are not contrived, and also, those things are pretty limited.

let's take a moment to discuss what exactly a hipster zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

No thanks!

But you gotta admit that it's interesting to have that moniker applied to N & S! And likely to others in our peer group.

Ugh--"peer group"

masculinity in the Anglosphere is often associated with the "survival ethos" of the lower classes, so feminie posturing by men may very well be a sign that they are comfortably distant from that class. thus, the new "alpha male" is the gentle, feminine man.

it's true. we're a generation of men raised by women.

I see all this potential, and I see squandering. God damn it, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables; slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man. No purpose or place. We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War's a spiritual war... our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.

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CHOOSE LIFE

it's true. we're a generation of men raised by women.

-- latebloomer, Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:23 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

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