The Ben Domenech plagiarism flameout

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Dear me. (At the same time, though the parallels are far from exact, I've thought to myself just now, "Noted young writer a few years out of college associated with high profile blog site recently hired by larger more established mainstream media outfit runs into trouble shortly after a high-profile appearance in said outfit due to charges of work not in fact being accurately reported -- now why does this sound familiar?")

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

And he's just resigned from the Washington Post, but not RedState...yet.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

well that was quick. i only just read kurtz's article about his hiring this morning

W i l l (common_person), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

This has been hella fun to follow the last couple of days. I'll be watching "Reliable Sources" Sunday with interest, though I imagine Kurtz has just remembered a pressing appointment elsewhere, anywhere without phone or web access.

pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

These American youngsters:

first:
Nick Sylvester: guilty of making things up
and
now:
Ben Domenech: guilty of plagiarism

Did they both miss "Ethics and Journalism" semester unit at Uni ?

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

It's a lot easier to plagiarize these days; in the old days you had to transcribe stuff from paper to typewriter/word processor, and now it's just control-a, control-c, control-v. I think that has more to do with the declining ethics of journalists than anything else.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

I just posted about this on the Chicago thread, but this guy went to college with me and worked at the radio station the same time I did. He wrote an article about a friend of mine who was the campus political activist and, as I remember, made up large chunks of it wholesale.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

shattered glass lolz

elmo, holy helper (allocryptic), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

I wrote a record review in college where I just used a "critical theory generator" I found on the internet and plugged in the name of the album and band and turned it in as my review. But I like to think that was some sort of artistic statement or something.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

blogger voltage on Domenech:
http://artificeeternity.com/voltage/index.php?p=800&c=1

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

which dude was he, nick? was he around while i was there?

Jams Murphy (ystrickler), Friday, 24 March 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

For that personal touch:

http://www.bendomenech.com/blog/

(He's obviously had other things on his mind as well given the most recent post.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

he probably won't quit RedState, btw. wingnuts love their martyrs, you know.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, what comments on RedState there have been in the past few hours are tilting towards resignation (comments as opposed to lead posts).

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

Kos has a list of his known plagairisms. It appears to be growing.

super yooper (waah christ dere eh pard?) (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

HE WAS THE DUDE NAMED BEN DOMENECH

He's 24, so I don't think he was around when you were...

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

was his taste in music any good, though?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

the schadenfreude is flowing fast and thick in the wapo comments area.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost)

His best-of 2000 list should answer that question rather definitively.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

"12. Creed, Human Clay

This album technically shouldn't make this list — it was released in late 1999 — but it's been at the top of the Billboard charts all year long. From Creed's spiritual lyrics and thunderous guitars to singer Scott Stapp's swaggering, Jim Morrison-like intensity, this band has grown and matured since its breakout 1997 album, My Own Prison. Grunge rock isn't dead — it just took a shower."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

For that alone, he should hang.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

His best-of 2000 list should answer that question rather definitively.

indeed ... res ipsa loquitur, y'all!

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

domenech the douchebag

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

i bet domenech reads rolling stone

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

to be fair, though ... lotsa lefty pundits also have shitty taste in music.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I was too busy looking at John "Pretentious Douche" Simon to notice Domenech's list.

Dan (Oh, I ONLY Listen To Classical- Wait, Come Back) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

Talking Points Memo: "You see, it turns out the Domenech family came in for a number of Bush administration appointments. Not only Ben, but Ben's dad, Doug, who was White House liaison to the Department of Interior. Or to put it more colloquially, White House guy to make sure Jack Abramoff got what he wanted with the Indians and the Pacific Island stuff."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

john simon has raised snooty pretentiousness to an artform. to think, THESE people succeeded in branding john kerry a "snooty elitist" 2 years ago?!?

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

Calling John Simon a douche is an insult to all feminine hygiene products everywhere.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

anyway, this domenech character seems more and more like a real-life eric cartman than anything else.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder if he does use "hella" on a daily basis.

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

He speaks! (And since the site is getting hit hard today, I cut and paste:)

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Red America Ends
By: Augustine · Section: Miscellania

Red America, my new blog at washingtonpost.com, has been under attack since its launch. It is a conservative blog on a mainstream media site, so many of the attacks were expected. If one bothers to read it, I believe it stands as a welcome addition to the opinion debate.

The hate mail that I have received since the launch of this blog has been overwhelmingly profane and violent. My family has been threatened; my friends have been deluged; my phone has been prank called. The most recent email that showed up while writing this post talked about how the author would like to hack off my head, and wishes my mother had aborted me.

But in the course of accusing me of racism, homophobia, bigotry, and even (on one extensive Atrios thread) of having a sexual relationship with my mother, the leftists shifted their accusations to ones of plagiarism. You can find the major examples here: I link to this source only because I believe it's the only place that hasn't yet written about how they'd like to rape my sister.

I know that charges of plagiarism are serious. While I am not a journalist, I have, myself, written more than one thing that has been plagiarized in the past. But these charges have also served to create an atmosphere where no matter what is said on my Red America blog, leftists will focus on things with my byline from when I was a teenager.

I can rebut several of the alleged incidents here. The most recent accusation, is that I stole a music review from Crosswalk and passed it off at National Review Online. In fact, I wrote both lists myself; I was one of Crosswalk's music review contributors at the time.

The Left has also accused me of foisting Sen. Frist quotes and some descriptive material from the Washington Post for a New York Press article on the Capitol Shooter. But the quotes I used were either properly credited or came from Sen. Frist’s press conference, which I attended along with many other reporters. So it is no surprise that we had similar quotes or similar descriptions of the same event. I have reams of notes and interviews about the events of that day. I also went over the entire piece step by step with NYPress editors to ensure that it was unquestionably solid before it ran.

Virtually every other alleged instance of plagiarism that I’ve seen comes from a single semester’s worth of pieces that were printed under my name at my college paper, The Flat Hat, when I was 17.

In one instance, I have been accused me of passing off P.J. O'Rourke's writing as my own in a column for the paper. But the truth is that I had met P.J. at a Republican event and asked his permission to do a college-specific version of his classic piece on partying. He granted permission, the piece was cleared with my editors at the paper, and it ran as inspired by O’Rourke’s original.

My critics have also accused me of plagiarism in multiple movie reviews for the college paper. I once caught an editor at the paper inserting a line from The New Yorker (which I read) into my copy and protested. When that editor was promoted, I resigned. Before that, insertions had been routinely made in my copy, which I did not question. I did not even at that time read the publications from which I am now alleged to have lifted material. When these insertions were made, I assumed, like most disgruntled writers would, that they were unnecessary but legitimate editorial additions.

But all these specifics are beside the point. Considering that all of this happened almost eight years ago, and that there are no files or notes that I've kept from that brief stint, it is simply my word against the liberal blogosphere on these examples. It becomes a matter of who you believe.

The truth is, a more responsible teenager would've nipped this sort of thing in the bud. A less sloppy writer would have made sure that material copied from other places never made it into a published piece, and never necessitated apologies or explanations that will do nothing to stop the critics. I was wrong not to do so.

But I do have one other collegiate example that might be to the point. When I was a junior in college, I wrote an article about liberal protests against Henry Kissinger’s visit to our campus. The leftists featured in the piece tried to get me kicked out of school. They mounted a six-month campaign against me. They posted fliers about me on campus. They sent me reams of hate mail. Ultimately, they were unsuccessful – the Honor Council completely cleared my name and the article as the truth. The events of the past 72 hours seem like a rerun of that experience.

The truth is, no conservative could write for the Post without being subject to the gauntlet of the liberal attack machine. There is no question in my mind that any RedState contributor writing for this blog would have found leftists delving through his high school yearbooks and grade school book reports in an effort to discredit and defame him. And if you too were a sloppy teenage writer, your errors or the errors of others would’ve been exploded.

I have a great many friends who are willing to stand and defend me on this. I appreciate their support. I have enormous respect for Jim Brady and the vision he has at WPNI. But while the folks at washingtonpost.com understand my position and are convinced by my arguments on many of these issues, they also feel that the firestorm here will only serve to damage us all, and that there is no way this blog can continue without being permanently tagged to this firestorm. Therefore, I have resigned this position with washingtonpost.com.

This is a shame. As you all know, I am a conservative, but not a partisan – I believe had this blog been allowed to continue, it would have been a significant addition to the Post's site. The Post showed bravery by including a conservative voice, and I hope they continue to seek that balance.

While my blog was only alive for a week, it did have one result that was encouraging. If the change of heart described here continues, it will all have been worth it.

To my friends: thank you for your support. To my enemies: I take enormous solace in the fact that you spent this week bashing me, instead of America.

Regards,

Ben

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

jeez, wotta douche.

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

HAhahaha wait, the "liberal attack machine"? Did liberals suddenly get organized when I wasn't looking?

Dan (Dude, People Just Hate You) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

That cracker's serious [?].

Jimmy Mod: GRILL ENSPEKTOR (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 24 March 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

Meanwhile, over at NRO:

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A MESSAGE TO OUR READERS [The Editors]

As the previous links mention, at least one of the pieces Ben Domenech is accused of having plagiarized was a movie review for National Review Online. A side-by-side comparison to another review of the same film speaks for itself. There is no excuse for plagiarism and we apologize to our readers and to Steve Murray of the Cox News Service from whose piece the language was lifted. With some evidence of possible problems with other pieces, we're also looking into other articles he wrote for NRO.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

america needed a break from all that bashin'

gbx (skowly), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, you can only beat a woman so much before she starts pretending she likes it

Jimmy Mod: GRILL ENSPEKTOR (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

i guess that i may have been wrong about the "martyr" prediction. shit, they're gonna try to unperson this guy 1984/stalinist style.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

why does america make us hurt her so? does she really think we want to do this?

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

The comments on the RedState piece indicate he's got the martyrdom fans but if the NRO does dig up more, then funtime.

Anyway:

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/03/23/PH2006032301992.jpg

"Why is everyone always picking on me?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously, who told him that photo was a good idea?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

HAHAHA where was that post about BROS IN STRIPED BUTTON DOWN SHIRTS?

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

I'd hit it.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

In a hatefuck way though, right?

Jimmy Mod: GRILL ENSPEKTOR (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Mike, you sick fuck. (Or rather, is this a hate fuck?) XPOST!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously, who told him that photo was a good idea?

Someone who has always been desperate to know what the love child of Andrew McCarthy and James Spader would look like?

Dan (IE, Nicole) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

check:
evil eyes
smug smile

DJ Martian (djmartian), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

IE, Nicole

Nah, that combination just doesn't have that expected N./Alba-style allure that Nicole loves so.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2006/03/24/domenech_blog/cover.jpg

"I'd like to say a few words to you all before those evil liberal black Nazis over there come kill me. Haha, joke!"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

He speaks again!

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

In a hatefuck way though, right?

More like an ashamed bathroom blow-job encounter sort of way.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

joek

Jimmy Mod: GRILL ENSPEKTOR (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

More like an ashamed bathroom blow-job encounter sort of way.

At long last I have a perfect visual for the Sugarcubes' "Fucking in Rhythm and Sorrow."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

everything about this guy just smacks of entitlement from the get-go. he's so sure he deserves everything, and so sure everyone else deserves his contempt.

i'm so tired of being lectured about personal responsibility by these creeps. not that this is news, but there's something really profoundly damaged and damaging about a social and economic system that promotes people like this to the top of heap.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

bros gettin' rewarded

still:

t/s: jonah goldberg vs this guy

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

They're sticking by him for now:

Redstate Reaction to Ben's Resignation
By: Clayton · Section: Miscellania

The server logs tell us that many of you are coming here looking for the Redstate reaction to Ben's resignation from the Washington Post. And no doubt you want to know what his status with Redstate is, and 'where we go' from here.

The left has their blood today. Ben resigned from the WashingtonPost.com. He did not resign from RedState - and even if he tried to do so, we would have refused to accept it. The four Directors of this site, including Ben, had a call earlier today shortly after he spoke with the Post and we're happy that Ben's staying right here.

We are disappointed in the turn of events, yes. We are also disappointed in some of our allies in their rush to judgement. But, alas, we live and die by the speed of the Internet. As I said yesterday, the conservative movement is larger than me, you, Ben, Redstate, or any individual or group.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

http://media3.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/03/23/PH2006032301992.jpg

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

'blood'


bloooooooooooooooooood

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Seems about right

Jimmy Mod: GRILL ENSPEKTOR (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

What other kind of shirt are you supposed to wear to work.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

Predicting the next batch of talking points for this story:

"Plagiarism isn't illegal."
"Research only delays the urgently needed dissemination of THE TRUTH."
"The Constitution provides safeguards for plagiarists."
"OUR NATION IS AT WAR."

elmo, holy helper (allocryptic), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

What other kind of shirt are you supposed to wear to work.

Solid-colored shirts
Ultrafine striped/checked shirts

Anything else with a blazer = you must be killed.

Dan (It's For Your Own Good) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

But the vertical stripes are slimming.

polyphonic (polyphonic), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

They are also grounds for euthenasia.

Dan (How Badly Do You Want To Look Thin?) Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

my favorite line from his defense: "all these specifics are beside the point"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

I'd say between that and the crack from the other guy about 'our allies,' keep an eye on what the NRO finds as it searches. I for one will be amused.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

"This book of laws has nothing to do with it"

Jimmy Mod: GRILL ENSPEKTOR (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

it's pretty astonishing that his "mea culpa" is no less than an out-and-out denial

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

It's pretty sad. I'm waiting to see if anyone over at RS actually says anything. Personally, I'm not surprised at all over all the abuse he claims to have received -- I'm sure he has. But by prioritizing that he makes it sound like it's all about 'poor pitiful him.' Very foolish.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

Not an out-and-out denial, really: more like a labored defense built on ommission (doesn't even allude to the NRO movie piece), relativism ("I was 17 when these other instances I won't mention happened, so of course they don't count.") and self-pity ("All thine enemies have opened their mouth against thee -- 'cuz I'm really quite powerful, I'll have you know!)

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

Talk about moral relativism.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

"they've been attacking me nonstop, outrageously going so far as to accuse me of PLAGIARISM can you believe it, although that is uh true"

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

Well, dude better cash in quick because the book market's gonna start getting saturated with plagiarist memoirs reeeal soon.


(And yeah, I misused "thine," sorry.)

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

Is his denial and sophistry any surprise, though? This guy - who I know only from these links - looks to have steeped himself in right-wing politics for a long time, relative to his age - so long that he's a fully-marinated fascist at this point. In fascism "right" and "wrong" are irrelevant compared with power and lack of power. As he sees the chasm open beneath him, he's going to scrabble hard, for all he's worth - what kind of right-winger would he be if he didn't?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

speed of the internet! we're through teh looking glass here ppl!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:50 (nineteen years ago)

he'll be back on some congressional payroll before you know it, and in 5 years he'll be pulling down $300,000 a year as a lobbyist. the machine takes care of its own.

Talk about moral relativism.

i know! how many of these guys have to get caught out before that sinks in? rush limbaugh, bill bennett, ralph reed, etc. etc. (i know, it's not about "sinking in," it's just about having power. still, the fucking gall.)

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

I don't even see the mea culpa as manifesting a specifcally righty kind of pathology (though the contemporary mode of reactionary culture is of course going to inform the color and the flavor of the asshole things he says); it seems more like the desperation of a guy who learned how to hustle himself for the powerful at a really young age, and is terrified of losing his "in" in that world because that's ALL he knows.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm, I think Mike is onto something. Yeah, he's got connections, but he's had the gimlet turned onto him by his own (or some of them). So now he sweats a bit.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

It's amazing to me how many of the comments on the linked conservative blogs involve wailing and gnashing of teeth over the fact that people went digging for shit on Domenech--like both sides don't do that to any opposing figure of prominence. If this were about shit someone dug up in his personal life they might have a point, but this has to do with his professional integrity, and that's certainly valid to inquire about.

I mean, what kind of argument is that: Liberals found evidence of journalistic misconduct, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE LOOKING! Insane.

Laura H. (laurah), Friday, 24 March 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

It's a damn witch hunt's what it is, just like with DeLay and Libby and all the rest

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

I am a conservative, but not a partisan who writes for a blog called RED STATES.

super yooper (waah christ dere eh pard?) (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

And he lives in D.C. which is as blue as it frickin gets.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

No, all American states are RED STATES because they are kept free by the blood of patriots do you see?

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

Oh right, how silly of me. Us blue blood lib'ruls are so dense sometimes!

super yooper (waah christ dere eh pard?) (OutDatWay), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, what kind of argument is that: Liberals found evidence of journalistic misconduct, BUT THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE GONE LOOKING!

haha, otm. they're biased!

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

yeah that's what i was driving at... the idea that the people who found him out are somehow still beneath him

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

btw "The Ben Domenech plagiarism flameout" would make a great band name

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Did ya see that comment from "sensible mom" on the W. Post site suggesting:

"When the dust settles, I wonder if the left will be just as interested in cleaning the plagiarists out of its ranks. I assume the left won't gloat until Biden is gone."

The way Biden babbled in the recent judicial confirmation hearings I think many on the Left would happily gloat if he was gone (and I do not think the "Left" excused his plagiarism back in '88). And of course "sensible mom" seems to know how much control the left has over non-truthtelling politicians!

curmudgeon (DC Steve), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

The way Biden babbled in the recent judicial confirmation hearings I think many on the Left would happily gloat if he was gone (and I do not think the "Left" excused his plagiarism back in '88).

not only was it not excused, it killed any chance he had of ever being the Democratic presidential nominee (in 1988 OR 2008). and yeah, not a few dems (myself included) would happily waive bye-bye to senator citibank.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Friday, 24 March 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

I just want to also know that I kind of knew the editor at the college paper that he accuses of adding plagiarized text to his story, and he seemed like a decent dude, so I'm going to guess that that is bullshit too.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 24 March 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

"unt all zee relevant information hass ... disappeared!! so it's word versus word and who vants to get into zat kind of mudzlinging?"

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 24 March 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

"No, I didn't put that plagiarised text into my own article -- my editor put it there!"

vs.

"No, officer, I didn't try to steal that necklace in my pocket -- the store clerk put it there!"

elmo, holy helper (allocryptic), Friday, 24 March 2006 23:49 (nineteen years ago)

It gets funnier.

“While I appreciated the opportunity to go and join the Washington Post,” Domenech said, “if they didn’t expect the leftists were going to come after me with their sharpened knives, then they were fools.”

Those darned editors!

Meanwhile, say what you want about Malkin, she states this clearly in her latest update to the earlier post:

Ben's statement up at Red State (there is no explanation of the apparent cribbing in the NRO piece)***

And indeed nothing appears in that other piece I just linked.

I note in the comments to the RedState response post that there are a lot of people noting the sin of omission re the NRO movie review, so I don't think he did himself much good in the end.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

one of his college editors wrote in to atrios:

Hi --

This all seems to have happened really fast. I hadn't really checked the news til midday today when I saw all of this happened. It might be kind of moot now, but I was Domenech's editor at The Flat Hat when he was writing the reviews. Four people, including me, would have handled his copy, the others being my assistant section editor, the managing editor and the editor.

This should seem obvious, but no one on the editorial staff was going into Salon (or wherever) and pasting whole sections into his reviews. We were more concerned about getting the paper done so we could get home at 2 in the morning instead of 5. We may have put additional words in the story, but it would never have been completely foreign content. It was just editing.

also worth noting that students at most college papers take their jobs seriously, and plagiarism will get your ass bounced off a college paper just as fast as off any professional paper.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 25 March 2006 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

Fascinating!

Malkin: "It is one thing to paraphrase basic facts from a wire story. But to filch the original thoughts and distinctly crafted phrases of a writer without crediting him/her [...] is unacceptable in our business."

And yet:

( via http://johnlombard.blogspot.com/2006/01/michelle-malkin-plagiarist.html )

ABC News:

"We perhaps could have avoided so many of these fatalities with the right body armor," said Clinton, who recently wrote letters to Sen. John Warner, R-Va., chairman of the Armed Services Committee; Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., the ranking Democrat on the Armed Services Committee; and Francis J. Harvey, secretary of the Army, calling for an investigation into why troops were not being protected.

And Malkin's column:

"We perhaps could have avoided so many of these fatalities with the right body armor," concluded Brigadier General Clinton, who immediately dashed off letters to Sen. John Warner, R-Va., chairman of the Armed Services Committee; Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich., the ranking Democrat on the Armed Services Committee; and Francis J. Harvey, secretary of the Army. Smarter-than-thou Clinton is, of course, demanding an investigation (highly recommended by image consultants to boost one's pro-military posturing).

elmo, holy helper (allocryptic), Saturday, 25 March 2006 01:32 (nineteen years ago)

Oh Elmo, so naughty.

Ultimately if this turns into a massive right vs. left 'who plagiarized where' flamewar I'm kinda all for it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

His crimes extend further than run-of-the-mill plagiarism (http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2006/03/24/domenech_blog/)
-- includes some fun stuff about how he was inventing conversations and citing phantom articles.

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Saturday, 25 March 2006 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

the malkin thing is totally bogus. disagreeable as she is, the thing the blog argues hardly falls outside of standard journalistic sourcing and fair use.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 25 March 2006 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

NRO has slam-dunked. Read it all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

what puzzles me about some of these plagiarism cases is...why? is it just laziness, or is it something pathological, some form of kleptomania?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 25 March 2006 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

He was a self-righteous asshole who thought he could get away with it?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

(As it stands now I'm wondering about his college papers.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

If I had to guess, it was to get the attention and gain the approval of the crowd he wanted to run with. (I did this once in 7th grade and was so wracked with guilt I never did it again.)

pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 25 March 2006 03:51 (nineteen years ago)

i was on the other side of it once -- in 12th grade i gave a friend's 10th-grade girlfriend a social studies paper i'd written two years earlier and still had in a drawer. she got an 'a.' i never felt guilty about it, i don't think it got her into harvard or anything. and it probably helped my friend get laid, which seemed like an honorable enough cause at the time.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 25 March 2006 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

oh, and as i mentioned on another thread, i made up a quote to end my salutatorian speech with and attributed it to "the british philosopher arthur dent." but that was mostly me being a smartass and seeing if anyone would catch the hitchhiker's guide allusion. as it was, i don't think anyone was really listening.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 25 March 2006 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

What's great here is these are plagarized film reviews and commentary columns. The dude didn't have to do research, didn't have to track down killer stories, there was no big talented thing that he was trying to cover up his incapacity or laziness with regards to -- he just had to have his own *opinions*.

I mean the real story here is what it exemplifies -- right wing pundits can't think for themselves, even when it comes to reviewing hollywood movies.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Saturday, 25 March 2006 04:02 (nineteen years ago)

that nro review of 'pay it forward' is funny cuz it looks like he cribbed from a negative review in the course of writing a positive review.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Saturday, 25 March 2006 04:04 (nineteen years ago)

it's funny that he wrote a positive review of that movie, period.

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 March 2006 04:15 (nineteen years ago)

t/s: jonah goldberg vs this guy

They deserve each other.. Where do these dudes hang out in DC now that Abramoff's restaurant is closed? I want to go see if they're really real.

Eisbär OTM about Joe Biden. the guy is still unelectable as president, and I can't tell you how many references I've read to that plagiarism incident - and I only read the liberal blogs. they don't like him very much.

dar1a g (daria g), Saturday, 25 March 2006 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently something sank into Ben's head finally.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 09:44 (nineteen years ago)

Krempasky tells a little tale. I'm apparently supposed to be moved?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 09:46 (nineteen years ago)

(And notably, the earlier 'woe is me' message from Ben has ever so mysteriously disappeared, along with all the other various RedState posts about this whole thing.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 09:49 (nineteen years ago)

WHat the hell/heaven!?!?

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Saturday, 25 March 2006 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

Check out The Corner. At least JPod, Kurtz, et al are hauling out evidence.

I busted a student for plagiarizing yesterday. I forced her to wear a Ben Domenech cut-out mask.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Saturday, 25 March 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

what puzzles me about some of these plagiarism cases is...why? is it just laziness, or is it something pathological, some form of kleptomania?

ME 2. I lost patience w/that epic Nikki $ilve$tre thread did anyone suss out his motivation? BTW some of the right/wing defenses of BD resemble the pro-NS stuff (or excuses) on that ILM thread...

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 25 March 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what a lot of the people going on about his youth on these blogs think about trying 16-year-olds as adults in criminal cases.

Zwan (miccio), Saturday, 25 March 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

same thing they think about executing minors, mentally disabled etc

"BRING EM ON!!"

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 25 March 2006 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

BTW some of the right/wing defenses of BD resemble the pro-NS stuff (or excuses) on that ILM thread...

You don't get his sense of humor!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

Robert A. George invokes Trent Reznor. (Happily he calls Mr. D. on things rather excusing him.)

http://raggedthots.blogspot.com/2006/03/pretty-hate-machine.html

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Similarly Ed Morrissey:

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/006598.php

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Via Wonkette: "Oh My Effing God...".

It's been reported that he did this prompted by a bet and a belly full of liquor, yet it still tempts me to think he's an empty vessel of a man.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 25 March 2006 16:32 (nineteen years ago)

isaid isaid isaid THAT'S A JOKE, SON

http://mk23.image.pbase.com/u42/orangecones/small/27675547.foghorn9.jpg

m coleman (lovebug starski), Saturday, 25 March 2006 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

Hahah

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

Lovebug, remind me to buy you a beer sometime.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

More Ed Morrissey, and while obviously he's coming from his own take on it it's nice to read that much compared to the astounding Kool-Aid drinking going on at RedState. (I happily notice, though, that one of the few critical comments was from a 'dpwiener' -- can it be? ;-) )

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

And etc. etc. from there but two more for now -- Patterico from yesterday and the Moderate Voice's overview and link collection.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 25 March 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

it amazed me that (at least when i read it this morning), the only person being blamed for anything in those redstate comments was the one guy who dared to suggest that maybe domenech did something wrong

s1ocki (slutsky), Saturday, 25 March 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

I love that his Wallflowers CD review was plagiarized.

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Saturday, 25 March 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

i don't know about plagarism, but this red states/blue states stuff has to stop. have we not learned anything from the crips and the bloods?

meth lab for doug flutie (sanskrit), Saturday, 25 March 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

that the blue flag goes on the left side?

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 26 March 2006 06:34 (nineteen years ago)

Heh, one of John Simon's CD pix is Barber's "School for Scandal."

Rickey Wright (Rrrickey), Sunday, 26 March 2006 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

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W3Q1AZTQJV, Sunday, 26 March 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

Only steal from the best, Ben.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 26 March 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

jeez did he ever write anything that WASN'T plagiarized?

Renard (Renard), Sunday, 26 March 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

WaPo ombudsman Deb Howell was asked about this, and her response:

“I can’t defend it. It’s a fuckin’ disaster.”

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 27 March 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

deb howell's useless. subtext of her response: the fact that it *is* a disaster is what prevents me from commenting. no pretense of distance from the Post institutional party line = not an ombud. even mealy-mouthed kurtz is better than her.

ahh, i don't usually post on ile but my blog's fubar today. gotta vent somewhere.

full disclosure: domenech and i emailed a couple times before his flameout -- he seemed like a decent guy who wrote and thought like a total douchebag, but that's everyone in washington media

A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Monday, 27 March 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

tho looking back he probably copied those emails from william buckley or something.

A|ex P@reene (Pareene), Monday, 27 March 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
Sure would likes to know what shenanigans our Ben is up to these days.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Saturday, 17 June 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe he went back to school to get his GED bachelor's degree.

Offisa Pump (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 17 June 2006 02:15 (nineteen years ago)

Blog hasn't been updated since mid-April, so perhaps he is somewhere being contemplative.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 17 June 2006 03:22 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
Here's the answer, Mike.

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Here’s what we realized: the weakness of writing on the internet - in blogs and elsewhere - is the inherent lack of permanence. Sure, you can find good writing if you look for it. But the truth is, the overwhelming number of people who should be reading this excellent writing don’t even know that it exists.

But what if there were a quarterly publication that collected some of the very worthy writing from bloggers and internet writers?

For a blogger, The Critical is an excellent way to highlight the best writing online - and if gives you something to hand to people, which is a lot more impressive than directing people to a website archive. For everyone else, it’s designed for someone who ought to be reading blogs for more than just up-to-date news, but doesn’t know where to start.

Thank you for visiting The Critical Online. Stay tuned, as there’s more to come!

Copyright McSweeney's. Oh wait...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 17 August 2006 23:09 (nineteen years ago)

"Very worthy" is the "a great personality" of the cultural judgements.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:25 (nineteen years ago)

what is the "he/she's interesting" of cultural judgments?

hippo eats dwarlf (lfam), Friday, 18 August 2006 00:27 (nineteen years ago)

three years pass...

so one of the courses I'm teaching here is coordinated by another lecturer. all the course materials for the students is compiled/distributed by that lecturer. trouble is, a cursory google search reveals that nearly all of the material has just been c/p'd from various english writing help sites around the web. is this plagiarism? or academic fair use? (he doesn't give any acknowledgements whatsoever in the packet)

you want it to be some dude, but it's the other dude (dyao), Monday, 1 February 2010 02:04 (fifteen years ago)

I admit to being disappointed to learn that your lecturer isn't Domenich.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 February 2010 02:09 (fifteen years ago)

hah, this was the only plagiarism related thread on ILE I could find. :>

you want it to be some dude, but it's the other dude (dyao), Monday, 1 February 2010 02:09 (fifteen years ago)

Wow, this puts you in a tight spot, doesn't it? If you blow the whistle on the other lecturer, you're the villain in the department. If a student or anyone else outside the department discovers it, you could be considered guilty by association even though you're not.

the end times are coming, but they're just the beginning (WmC), Monday, 1 February 2010 02:28 (fifteen years ago)

If you blow the whistle on the other lecturer, you're the villain in the department.

This is not necessarily so. One could play the faux-innocent and merely ask the department head whether or not this interesting fact that you just discovered, i.e. that the course coordinator failed to credit his internet sources, ought to be considered as anything more than a quibble, so you could understand these types of situations better if they arise in the future.

Aimless, Monday, 1 February 2010 02:38 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah, I should have said "could be". Treat the whole situation as the minefield it is, though.

the end times are coming, but they're just the beginning (WmC), Monday, 1 February 2010 02:47 (fifteen years ago)

Danger UXB.

Aimless, Monday, 1 February 2010 02:50 (fifteen years ago)

yeah I'm not looking to stir the pot here or anything. just frustrated with the poor quality of the teaching materials which I've been given.

you want it to be some dude, but it's the other dude (dyao), Monday, 1 February 2010 02:59 (fifteen years ago)

oh the ironing: the material for the next three weeks focuses on paraphrasing, apa style, and how not to plagiarize

you want it to be some dude, but it's the other dude (dyao), Monday, 1 February 2010 13:19 (fifteen years ago)

I can basically put quotation marks around almost anything in this packet, punch it into google, and get a precise, specific hit which will lead me to the source.

you want it to be some dude, but it's the other dude (dyao), Monday, 1 February 2010 13:22 (fifteen years ago)


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