Katie Holmes Has Become A Scientologist

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The 43-year-old told US network ABC their baby, due soon, would not be baptised a Catholic, although Holmes, 27, was brought up in that faith.

But he denied US media reports that he had bought a dummy to muffle the moans of his partner as she gave birth.

He said Scientology's doctrine of "silent birth" had been misunderstood and exaggerated by the press.

"It's basically just respecting the mother, and helping to be quiet," he told interviewer Diane Sawyer.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 14 April 2006 16:39 (twenty years ago)

Asked whether their baby would be given a Catholic baptism, he said: "You can be Catholic and a Scientologist. You can be Jewish and be a Scientologist. But we're just Scientologists."

"Katie, too?" Sawyer asked.

"Katie, too," Cruise replied.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 14 April 2006 16:40 (twenty years ago)

But he denied US media reports that he had bought a dummy to muffle the moans of his partner as she gave birth.

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tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 14 April 2006 16:45 (twenty years ago)

But he denied US media reports that he had bought a dummy to muffle the moans of his partner as she gave birth.

uh??

sleep (sleep), Friday, 14 April 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/rogue_pictures/seed_of_chucky/jennifer_tilly/seed2.jpg

laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 14 April 2006 16:46 (twenty years ago)

I think that's like British slang for "pacifier."

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Friday, 14 April 2006 16:56 (twenty years ago)

Haha thank you for clarifying that. I was completely baffled.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 14 April 2006 16:57 (twenty years ago)

as in dummy tit

stet (stet), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:01 (twenty years ago)

i know it means pacifier, but a dummy dummy is so much more funny. and freaky.

http://tulsatvmemories.com/lionel/dummy.gif

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

is that darren stevens?


But he denied US media reports that he had bought a dummy to muffle the moans of his partner as she gave birth.

no wonder nicole adopted

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

xpost

I dunno--shoving a pacifier in a woman's mouth while she's giving birth sounds plenty freaky to me!

Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

no its not. its from a great Twilight Zone episode (The Dummy). Actor is Cliff Robertson.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:08 (twenty years ago)

Man, how often does Catholicism get to present itself as "the sane alternative"? (ps: I am Catholic, I can say that.)

Martin Van Buren (Martin Van Buren), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000CR76U8.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

kingfish ubermensch dishwasher sundae (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

And here we thought Katie had found a better way to advance her carreer then sleeping with the producer. This career path makes that one look like the low-cost, low-stress option by several orders of magnitude.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:20 (twenty years ago)

faker:

http://popsugar.com/5201

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:21 (twenty years ago)

btw is a $cino ever tries to pull this bullshit on you then call them out on it:

"You can be Catholic and a Scientologist. You can be Jewish and be a Scientologist. But we're just Scientologists."

Hubbard on Catholisim:

“A very successful operation to control the spirit, minds, and bodies of those who fell under its thrall before they attained an age where they could reason and discriminate and choose for themselves.”

also he writes that Christ never existed but he is in our minds from something called the "R6 implant" put in our heads million of years ago.


shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:27 (twenty years ago)


I think that's like British slang for "pacifier."

Thanks. That explains this NSFW image when searching for "dummy" http://re2.mm-c1.yimg.com/image/1366321017 (sorry)

dave vire think (dave225.3), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)

i met this girl a few nights ago who is involved in something called 'landmark forum'. she told me i should go to a meeting with her, it was really enlightening. a little research showed it's just another l.a. cult.

gear (gear), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:32 (twenty years ago)

Landmark is a cult for type A business people.

Mary (Mary), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:34 (twenty years ago)

I thought that's what Scientology was! They must be pissed about poachers on their turf.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

you know, i really have no problem with scientology except for the ALIENS. wtf?

sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:42 (twenty years ago)

so the money-grubbing, media arm-twisting, breaking into the offices of the federal gov't, tales of coercion and forced labor (and even murder), campaigns of misinformation (Narconon, etc.) that's all cool with you... these people are scum of the earth.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)

how about the murder and the lawsuits and the harassment?
xpost

haha i knew a chick who got involved with that landmark bullshit

shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:46 (twenty years ago)

did she cut ties with all her old friends? this one did (found out later she used to be friends with a current friend of mine, it ended badly, they're both coming to a party i'm having, lol)

gear (gear), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:48 (twenty years ago)

and the homophobia and the fraud etc etc

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:49 (twenty years ago)

- taking over the anti-cult movement
- 9/11 / Katrina opportunism

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:51 (twenty years ago)

you know, i really have no problem with scientology except for the ALIENS. wtf?

-- sunny successor (gangsta...), April 14th, 2006.

i dont think your entry-level scientologist really knows about the alien thing. isnt the Xenu crap the shit they tell you when you've reached a certain "level"?

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:56 (twenty years ago)

Free stress test, anyone?

TRG (TRG), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)

XPOST OTM, OT3

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:58 (twenty years ago)

i saw those stress testers setting up shop outside of amoeba. they offered one to some little kid who was with his mom.

gear (gear), Friday, 14 April 2006 17:59 (twenty years ago)

How come someone hasn't gone all domestic terrorism on their asses yet?

DON'T SUE!!!!! (ex machina), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:01 (twenty years ago)

i see them offer stress tests to little kids ALL THE TIME (there is one set up in front of my pad on ventura blvd like every weekend)

shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:04 (twenty years ago)

is tom cruise fronting for scientology really any worse than dionne warwick fronting for psychic friends network??

vahid (vahid), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:11 (twenty years ago)

i have serious trouble believing that tom cruise and beck have bought into the whole psychic alien infestation thing. you know they're just doing it for payola and/or industry connects.

chick corea on the other hand ... dude's obviously a believer.

vahid (vahid), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:12 (twenty years ago)

PSYCHIC FRIENDS NETWORK DO NOT KILL PEOPLE, VAHID SHEESH DONT YOU READ THE THREAD SHEESH!

shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:14 (twenty years ago)

landmark = remnants of EST

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:15 (twenty years ago)

i dont think your entry-level scientologist really knows about the alien thing. isnt the Xenu crap the shit they tell you when you've reached a certain "level"?

But if we know, doesn't this suggest that the Xenu crap is becoming common knowledge?

Safety First (pullapartgirl), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:20 (twenty years ago)

I learnt it from South Park. Is it actually true?

melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:21 (twenty years ago)

yes

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)

(true in that it is a belief, that is. not true as in "yes we are all descended from Xenu" or whatever. BUT MAYBE WE ARE)

kyle (akmonday), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:25 (twenty years ago)

In Scientology doctrine, Xenu (also Xemu) is an alien ruler of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of people to Earth, stacked them around volcanoes and blew them up with hydrogen bombs. Their souls then clustered together and stuck to the bodies of the living, and continue to cause problems today. These events are known to Scientologists as "Incident II", and the traumatic memories associated with them as The Wall of Fire or the R6 implant. The story of Xenu is part of a much wider range of Scientology beliefs in extraterrestrial civilizations and alien interventions in Earthly events, collectively described as space opera by L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of Scientology.

Hubbard detailed the story in Operating Thetan level III (OT III) in 1967, famously warning that R6 was "calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it." The Xenu story was the start of the use of the volcano as a common symbol of Scientology and Dianetics from 1968 to the present day.

Much of the criticism of the Church of Scientology focuses on the story of Xenu. The Church has tried to keep Xenu confidential; critics claim revealing the story is in the public interest, given the high prices charged for OT III, part of Scientology's secret "Advanced Technology" doctrines taught only to members that have already contributed large amounts of money to the organization.

The Church avoids making mention of Xenu in public statements and has gone to considerable effort to maintain the story's confidentiality, including legal action on the grounds of both copyright and trade secrecy. Despite this, much material on Xenu has leaked to the public.

gear (gear), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)

Then yeah, common knowledge.

haha xpost, I knew as soon as I hit submit that it sounded like I meant that!

melton mowbray's APOCALYPTO! (adr), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:26 (twenty years ago)

x-post

well at this point it's common knowledge (IIRC the Co$ sued someone for leaking the Xenu info on the internet many years ago), but i doubt they advertise their sc-fi gooey center to new recruits.

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

er, double x-post

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:29 (twenty years ago)

every 5-10 years the scientologists do a huge promotional push for themselves, and it's followed about a year later by an establishment journalism smackdown (Time, 60 Minutes, Rolling Stone etc.) exposing the whole murderous pyramid scheme for what it is.

the disturbing thing about this time around is that all the details of their cartoon mythology's been leaked online, so the smackdown's emphasis has been on the fantastic stories about Xenu and the aliens and 'how stupid you'd have to be to believe', and not the murder, the extortion, the kidnapping, the brainwashing, the lawsuits, the harrassment, etc.

and the result is I've had three disorienting lunchtime conversations with people where someone pops out with the classic 'Well Hell, let 'em believe what they want to, Freedom of Religion, right? Just leave 'em alone to do whatever' etc. etc. etc. and that's incredibly disturbing, so I don't think the establishment smackdown this time around has been quite loud enough yet

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:33 (twenty years ago)

& xpost yeah, vahid, a lot worse than Psychic Friends.

Results 1 - 10 of about 645,000 for scientology murders. (0.22 seconds)

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:35 (twenty years ago)

i would never be the same religion as chick corea.

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:36 (twenty years ago)

Results 1 - 10 of about 1,770,000 for psychic friends murder. (0.30 seconds)

vahid (vahid), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:40 (twenty years ago)

OH SHIT NOW WHAT

vahid (vahid), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:40 (twenty years ago)

Results 1 - 10 of about 25,900 for chuck e cheese breakdance

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

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NO not among scientologist. most scientologists use a filtering program that filters out websites that they consider "supressive." I've actually tried to tell a couple Scino friends about OT3 Xenu crap and they basically put their fingers in their ears and yell LALALALA. for reals. they've been trying to keep the higher level writing suppresed forever but with offshore servers and the internet its been getting harder and harder for them. for instance i can post this handwritten segment of OT3 and they cant do shit.
http://thingy.apana.org.au/~fjc/scn/mirrors/coltice/images/ot3.gif

shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:42 (twenty years ago)

Results 1 - 10 of about 382,000 for chick corea is the devil. (0.37 seconds)

M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:43 (twenty years ago)

http://www.scientology-kills.org/images/celeb_lg_travolta1.gif

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:44 (twenty years ago)

http://www.scientology-kills.org/celebrities/travolta.htm

John Travolta on Scientology

In January of 1975 I was working on my first film in Durango, Mexico. There I met an actress who gave me the book Dianetics. During the five weeks we were filming she gave me some auditing sessions and applied some basic principles. That was when I became involved in Dianetics-because it worked.

When I returned to the United States I began Scientology training and auditing. My career immediately took off and I landed a lead role on the TV show "Welcome Back Kotter" and had a string of successful films. I have been a successful actor for 17 years and Scientology has played a major role in that success.

I have a wonderful child and a great marriage because I apply L. Ron Hubbard's technology to this area of my life.

As a Scientologist I have the technology to handle life's problems and I have used this to help others in life as well.

I would say that Scientology put me into the big time.

John Travolta
Actor

However....
Rolling Stone's August 18, 1983 issue had an interview with John Travolta. They asked him about Scientology:

"Then despite all the negative publicity about Scientology, you still believe?"

"Yes. I think it's pretty brilliant. I try to separate the material and the organization, because I don't agree with the way the organization is being run. I believe that the material is more worthy than the individuals who are handling it."

"Scientology uses your name a lot in promoting its cause. Do you feel it has used your celebrity for its own purposes?"

"I've been something of an ostrich about how it's used me, because I
haven't investigated exactly what the organization's done. One part
of me says that if somebody gets some good out of it, maybe it's all
right. The other part of me says that I hope it uses some taste and
discretion. I wish I could defend Scientology better, but I don't
think it even deserves to be defended, in a sense."

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:45 (twenty years ago)

http://i2.tinypic.com/vghseu.jpg

The Milkmaid (82375538-A) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:46 (twenty years ago)

I want to know what that guy in the left hand corner is thinking. "Scientology? Maybe not, clown."

The Milkmaid (82375538-A) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:47 (twenty years ago)

>Results 1 - 10 of about 1,770,000 for psychic friends murder. (0.30 seconds)

point taken if all you're doing is typing and not actually reading any of the links. read the first ten 'psychic friends murder' links and then read the first ten 'scientology murder' links and I think you might actually notice a difference. or you could just keep laughing away.

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:52 (twenty years ago)

http://www.scientology-kills.org

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

not that I believe everything I read online, but this stuff has been in print for 30 years, it's just that you have to actually look for it -- scientologists are viciously litigious, which dissuades the major outlet smackdowns from happening too often, they have to steel themselves for the suite of pointless 'slander' lawsuits each time

milton parker (Jon L), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:53 (twenty years ago)

http://www.laynekennedy.com/can-phone.jpg

http://www.killrockstars.com/bands/factsheets/psychicfriendsnetwork/

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:54 (twenty years ago)

http://www.scientology-kills.org/alien_tales.htm

The following portion of OT 3 is quoted in full in Margery Wakefield's book The Road to Xenu , chapter 13, and I believe all of it has been quoted in other books and articles as well.

The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet - 178 billion on average) by mass implanting.

He caused people to be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the principal volcanos (incident II) and then the Pacific area ones were taken - in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to Las Palmas and there "packaged". His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading data by means of circuits etc was placed in the unplants. When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people) captured him after six years of battle and put him in an electronic mountain trap where he still is. "They" are gone. The place (Confederation) has since been a desert.

The length and brutality of it all was such that this Confederation never recovered. The implant is calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it. This liability has been dispensed with by my tech development. One can freewheel through the implant and die unless it is approached as precisely outlined. The "freewheel" (auto-running on and on) lasts too long, denies sleep etc and one dies. So be careful to do only Incidents I and II as given and not plow around and fail to complete one thetan at a time.

In December 1967 1 know someone had to take the plunge. I did and emerged very knocked out, but alive. Probably the only one ever to do so in 75,000,000 years. I have all the data now, but only that given here is needful.

One's body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or to the body.

One has to clean them off by running incident II and Incident I. It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing.

You are running beings. They respond like any preclear. Some large, some small.

Thetans believed they were one. This is the primary error.

Good luck.

After Hubbard had made these remarkable "discoveries", Scientologists - the majority of whom were science fiction fans, not at all coincidentally - also began to "recall" Invader Forces and implants. This allowed the following definitions to be made (taken from the Dianetics & Scientology Technical Dictionary, 1975):

INVADER FORCES

1. an electronics people. The electronics people usually happen to be an evolutionary line which is on heavy gravity planets and so they develop electronics. The reason you say invader force at all is because at some time along the line fairly early in its youth it took off to conquer the whole mest universe. You could expect almost anything in terms of physical form particularly physical form which matched the peculiar purpose of this group. They've usually got some gimmick like Fac One. Control has been the main thing. The way to control territory is to control people.

2. there are five invader forces active and one aborning, but the one aborning is not active. It will probably be several million years before you see this one, some of you hit the track 60 trillion years ago mest universe and some of you didn't get into the mest universe until about 3 trillion years ago that is invader force one and invader force two [punctuation sic]. Now we don't see anything of invader force three here on earth. I just haven't found any threes. Invader force four is really holding the fort someplace or other. Every little while, a few million years, some planet will get taken over by an invader force.
[Dianetics & Scientology Technical Dictionary, 1975]

In 1957, the 5th London Advanced Clearing Course was held under the supervision of Hubbard and his son, Nibs. High on the agenda was the issue of past lives. A "scientific survey" was carried out, in which approximately seventy students investigated each other's past lives. Needless to say, all of them "found" that they had indeed lived many times previously (though one wonders what would have happened if a student had not "confirmed" Hubbard's theories). According to one of the students, Cyril Vosper, "when a student was having a lot of difficulty in making his story, or rather Past Life gel, Nibs would helpfully fill in bits." This perhaps accounts for some of the bizarre stories told in the 1958 book, Have You Lived Before This Life? , which after A History Of Man has to be one of the strangest books published this century.

If nothing else, the stories related by the book's contributors show that they had imaginations on a par with Hubbard's. Many recalled past lives on Earth (ranging from 19th-century Chinese coolies to Roman soldiers). Several remembered extremely strange extraterrestrial past lives. Ray Kemp wrote:

"This takes place nine galaxy periods ago. I was a male, born of space parents. I seem to have two or three mothers who died or were killed. At the age of five I was already on the look-out for brothels. At nine years of age I asked my father if I could join the space academy. However; this does not occur until I am 14. I am 15 when I go with other boys and girls for three months to learn all about sex and homosexuality. When I am 16 I kill my father while fighting on the planet and I join a space-ship. It seems I have a journey here and rejoin the ship when I am 19. Then I learn all about space ship drill, take-offs, etc. There is homosexuality, as only officers are allowed women.

I did not care for homosexuality and soon gained the title of captain and so was able to have a wife of my own. She had a baby and a few days later I found the wife enjoying pleasures with another officer. I put her and the officer up for trial and they were condemned and burned (zapped with special ray equipment). I killed the baby because I thought it was not my child. I wanted to go back home so I went to see the captain who was in charge of all the space-craft men and who knew where the ship was going. I asked for the space-ship to be turned around and he said "No." I went mad and killed the captain with my hands and broke up his body. Next I went into the main hall and pressed a button to ring the bell for assembly. I asked for votes for turning back the space-ship for home. Sixty-five per cent. said "Yes." As I was talking to the crew members I felt a gun at the back of my body and I was led off by officers along the corridor. I was screaming and struggling as I did not want to go to the Zap machine (a ray gun to destroy bodies).

However, I arrived and my body was held against the wall by clamps, hands were outstretched against the wall. This wall was made of special ray detecting material about a yard to two yards thick. I felt the warmth of the ray until it grew so bad that I left the body. As soon as the head had been burned off, the clamps were automatically opened and the body fell in a trench in the floor, arms outstretched. A large trap door made of metal was slammed on my arms cutting them off. The arms were swept into the trench and the trap door was lifted up again. As it slammed tight again, my body fell into a space container and was thrown outside by tremendous pressure. A space coffin had its own power to fall away from the ship."

[L. Ron Hubbard (ed.), Have You Lived Before This Life?, 1958]

It's easy to see why this was such a traumatic event. Another Scientologist, Harry Dorfman, recalled something even more bizarre:

"There was a fantastic space factory with gold animals hanging concentrically from it all around, mainly elephants and zebra, by the necks. These appeared solid but periodically imploded or exploded. There was no gravity even near planets. Inside were four great bronze grinding wheels. During the incident, I look at time both ways as well as seeing it as a kind of circle from outside time. Therefore, it is hard to say whether discs from a case were ground up and made into small animals (which I think was the case) or whether animals were compressed into discs. I think the animals were subsequently inflated after blowing up through a totem and a cat devil and then broadcast (via the outside animals?) to other planets ...

The main and most awful part, and the most impenetrable, of the incident was the feeling of waiting and counting thirty to press a button. What was to happen then was uncertain. Either I was to blow up a planet, had blown one up, or failed to prevent it from being blown up. For this I felt I was punished by a bearded priest to whom I was betrayed by colleagues, by being compelled to work the grinder. There was also, towards the end, the stronger idea that all this appeared to happen in a robot body."

[L. Ron Hubbard (ed.), Have You Lived Before This Life?, 1958]

From the surreal to the sublimely ridiculous; another Scientologist recalled how he had been zapped by a Martian bishop:

The preclear was on Mars without a body 469,476,600 years ago, creating havoc, destroying a bridge and buildings. The people were called by an alarm to temple. PC [preclear] went and broke the back pew, and the Temple tower. He wandered in the town and saw a doll in a window, and got entrapped trying to move its limbs. People seized it, beat it up, and threw the doll out of the window (30 ft. drop). The doll was taken roughly to the Temple, and was zapped by a bishop's gun while the congregation chanted "God is Love." When the people left, the doll, out of control, staggered out and was run over by a large car and a steamroller. It was then taken back to the Bishop, who ordered it to be taken (in a lorry with others) to dig trenches or ditches for 2,000 years. (The whole incident took nearly 2,000,000 years.) Then it was taken and the body was removed and the PC was promised a robot body. The thetan (PC) went to an implant station and was put into an ice-cube and went by flying saucer and was dropped at Planet ZX 432. It was drawn to a building to an emanator. PC was interiorised by spinning and confusion into a dummy training and indoctrination robot body. In some way not very clear, a transfer was made to another robot body and PC was told to look after it for ever. It reported to a village (after a doubtful encounter with a giant, and heat stroke) and was set to supervise unloading of saucers. It zapped and killed another robot and PC took over its body to prove it could work. The PC was punished in first robot in a saucer and shipped off. The saucer exploded en route and body of robot was in space falling in two parts with PC vainly endeavouring to take care of it and the second body. This was sucked by departure of a saucer into water in a dock. Divers brought it up, but the PC left it, he thinks, to attend the other body.

[L. Ron Hubbard (ed.), Have You Lived Before This Life?, 1958]

Other Scientologists recalled falling out of spaceships, being hit by meteorites, leading happy lives as walruses and even "falling in love with a robot decked out as a beautiful red-haired girl".

The book was originally intended to have a sequel, entitled Where Are You Buried? , in which Scientologists were to be invited to pinpoint the locations of their former bodies. But this project was abandoned -perhaps those consulted were unable to remember the details accurately enough. This was rather a pity, as it would have been well worth reading if it had matched the high (?) standards of Have You Lived Before This Life .

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Friday, 14 April 2006 18:57 (twenty years ago)

man this shit is nutty.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 14 April 2006 19:00 (twenty years ago)

"While the "South Park" creators didn't directly comment on Comedy Central's decision to pull the episode, they issued an unusual statement to Daily Variety indicating the battle is not over. "So, Scientology, you may have won THIS battle, but the million-year war for earth has just begun! Temporarily anozinizing our episode will NOT stop us from keeping Thetans forever trapped in your pitiful man-bodies. Curses and drat! You have obstructed us for now, but your feeble bid to save humanity will fail! Hail Xenu!!!"

The duo signed the statement "Trey Parker and Matt Stone, servants of the dark lord Xenu."

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Friday, 14 April 2006 19:01 (twenty years ago)

TOP SECRET: da troof

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Friday, 14 April 2006 19:24 (twenty years ago)

Pacifier is merely American SLANG for dummy.

Ugh, "pacifier".

David Orton (scarlet), Friday, 14 April 2006 22:12 (twenty years ago)

how many tines in your life are you going to link to that thread latebloomer

Frogm@n Henry, Friday, 14 April 2006 22:42 (twenty years ago)

Says the bloke with the repeating Thunderpants jpeg.

Mingus Realty (noodle vague), Friday, 14 April 2006 22:47 (twenty years ago)

haha

Frogm@n Henry, Friday, 14 April 2006 22:48 (twenty years ago)

Frogm@n can speak?

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 14 April 2006 22:52 (twenty years ago)

Quack

Frogm@n Henry, Friday, 14 April 2006 22:53 (twenty years ago)

And holy fuck, THAT'S A REAL MOVIE???

http://www.ycdtotv.de/hp/tp__274.jpg

Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Friday, 14 April 2006 22:56 (twenty years ago)

how many tines in your life are you going to link to that thread latebloomer

-- Frogm@n Henry (vl@hm.com), April 14th, 2006.

as long as i'm alive and there is nutty subject matter

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:22 (twenty years ago)

that shit's my thread and butter

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:22 (twenty years ago)

http://www.cnnsi.com/events/1996/olympics/daily/aug4/images/scientology.jpg

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:31 (twenty years ago)

I'd hit it.

Mingus Realty (noodle vague), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:34 (twenty years ago)

http://www.scientologyhandbook.org/img/p148.jpg

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:40 (twenty years ago)

http://net-prophet.net/cult$cam/images/thetan40.gif

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:42 (twenty years ago)

I seriously hope this thread's been deindexed and degoogliyfied....

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 15 April 2006 00:51 (twenty years ago)

Tom Cruise has taken the impending birth of his first child with fiancee Katie Holmes to another level. "We've been doing seminars with the family just to educate them," the 43-year-old star of the upcoming "Mission: Impossible III" film tells GQ magazine in its May issue, on newsstands April 25.

"Running seminars so we can understand what Kate's going through, and for Kate to understand it. Things like how to take care of a pregnant woman and get ready for the birth.

"It's just kind of becoming a fun game of learning."

http://cbs4denver.com/entertainment/entertainment_story_104214737.html

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Saturday, 15 April 2006 01:04 (twenty years ago)

I seriously hope this thread's been deindexed and degoogliyfied....

-- Trayce (spamspanke...), April 15th, 2006.

oh crap im sorry...i was being impulsive, i dont mean to attract $cieno googlers

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

Nah I checked, looks like teeny deindexed it ages ago, all good :)

Trayce (trayce), Saturday, 15 April 2006 01:07 (twenty years ago)

phew! last thing we need is kirstie ally to find this thread. shes like some kind of crazy monster or something.

shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Saturday, 15 April 2006 01:24 (twenty years ago)

http://members.cox.net/batchild1/kirstie.jpg

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:07 (twenty years ago)

"digital salute"

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:07 (twenty years ago)

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/B000067UQA.03.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:15 (twenty years ago)

Frogm@n Henry is probably like my #3 favorite ILX person behind tim@kfc.edu and the snake 2 googlers

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:24 (twenty years ago)

OH LOOK WHOS ON MY NAME IS EARL THIS WEEK. LIFE LONG $CINO SLUT JULIETTE LEWIS. OH AND LOOKS WHOS A REOCURRING CHARACTER! GIOVANI RIBISI WHOS MOM IS THE #1 $CINO RECRUITMENT OFFICER! GOOD OL JASON LEE JUST WANTS TO HELP HIS FELLOW CHURCH MEMBERS. honestly these people are good folks. jason lee is cool as hell. but they are completely blinded by their death cult that gets them jobs and treats them like kings.

shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:32 (twenty years ago)

PEOPLE IN LA CARE TOO MUCH

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:36 (twenty years ago)

PEOPLE IN NY CARE TOO MUCH ABOUT CUET GRRLZ POSTING ON THEIR NOIZE PICKLE.

shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:39 (twenty years ago)

uh oh...east coast/west coast noize beef!

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:41 (twenty years ago)

http://www.geektimes.com/michael/site/archive/2005/07/images/battlefield-earth.jpg

nervous.gif (eman), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:44 (twenty years ago)

travoltas package > forest whitakers package

nervous.gif (eman), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:46 (twenty years ago)

Rob Zombie cost too much $?

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:50 (twenty years ago)

has anyone ever seen that move?

shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:51 (twenty years ago)

when i first saw the trailer for Battlefield Earth and Travolta's character came on, i was like, whoa Rob Zombie's starring in a movie!

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:52 (twenty years ago)

i have seen it. it is every bit as hilariously bad as claimed.

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:52 (twenty years ago)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106521/

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:53 (twenty years ago)

http://www.profindsearch.com/Img/Kirstie_Alley_loses_30_Pounds.jpg

shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:56 (twenty years ago)

xpost - it's fucking hilarious. there's a lo-budget "big explosion" at the end that was so funny it got rewound a few times. it was like the moon exploding scene in amazon women on the moon

nervous.gif (eman), Saturday, 15 April 2006 03:58 (twenty years ago)

http://armstrong.xenu.ca/ravoltasm.jpg

lactance mouillet, Saturday, 15 April 2006 04:00 (twenty years ago)

theres a scientology center in d.c. where you can go in and watch a free movie and get an engram test. i wanna go in sometime and do it.

nervous.gif (eman), Saturday, 15 April 2006 04:02 (twenty years ago)

i'd advise against it.

shredding repis on the gnar gnar rad (chaki), Saturday, 15 April 2006 04:06 (twenty years ago)

heh carnosaur

Dr. Sterling Raven: Isn't that the freshest, juciest blueberry pie you've ever tasted?
Senator: [nods]
Dr. Sterling Raven: You see, it's all done with a little bit of scientific magic. Every single blueberry is coated with a thick layer of goat embryonic fluid...
Senator: [vomits]

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 04:14 (twenty years ago)

O RLY

movie that bad huh chaki?

nervous.gif (eman), Saturday, 15 April 2006 04:16 (twenty years ago)

my friends wanted us to all go to the Scieno center in Charlotte, just for laffs. i convinced them not to, thankfully.

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 04:17 (twenty years ago)

ill laugh at the devil from afar, i don't need to drink his lemonade

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 04:18 (twenty years ago)

or kool-aid

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 04:18 (twenty years ago)

i know i can't get anyone to go. might as well be a haunted house or some shit.

nervous.gif (eman), Saturday, 15 April 2006 04:29 (twenty years ago)

Terl: It is a pleasure to see you, your excellency, and I would be honored to expedite your clearance through security.
Zete: Please, call me Zete. Does all of Earth look like this?
Terl: Oh, I'm afraid so, sir.
Zete: Pathetic. All the green and the blue sky. They told me this planet was ugly, but this has got to be one of the ugliest crap holes in the entire universe.
Terl: I couldn't agree with you more.
Zete: I hate these puny undersized planets. The gravity is so... different.
Terl: Well, one does get used to it.
Zete: And the human animals, grossly undersized.
Ker: They don't make very good eating, your excellency.

nervous.gif (eman), Saturday, 15 April 2006 04:32 (twenty years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/51/127977520_8b9a25866e.jpg

buck pwens (Jody Beth Rosen), Saturday, 15 April 2006 04:34 (twenty years ago)

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=%22Growing+Up+in+Scientology%22

lactance mouillet, Saturday, 15 April 2006 04:46 (twenty years ago)

Quotes:
[about to kill the dinosaur]
'Doc' Smith: I hate wildlife!

A Nairn (moretap), Saturday, 15 April 2006 05:10 (twenty years ago)

The Carnosaur movies have some tapped shit in them

Fight the Real Enemy -- Tasti D-Lite (ex machina), Saturday, 15 April 2006 05:11 (twenty years ago)

Carnosaur 2 is a direct rip-off of aliens. and i mean direct. plot-point by plot-point, right down to the smarmy corporate villain wearing a vest and a plaid shirt like paul reiser's character.

latebloomer: Ambassador With Training In Righteousness (latebloomer), Saturday, 15 April 2006 08:58 (twenty years ago)

I convinced a friend to go to the scientology center in Portland 'as a joke'. They kept her inside for over an hour and she ended up giving them her real address.

Shameu, Saturday, 15 April 2006 09:10 (twenty years ago)

Actor Tom Cruise has said he plans to eat the placenta of his new baby.

"I thought that would be good," he told GQ magazine. "Very nutritious. I'm gonna eat the cord and the placenta right there."

It is the latest in a series of unusual revelations by the 43-year-old about the child he is expecting with his fiancee, actress Katie Holmes.

The couple, who have been engaged since June 2005, plan to marry in late summer or early autumn, according to Cruise.

The Mission Impossible star has also claimed he knew Holmes, 27, was pregnant even before she told him.

Last week Cruise said on US television that Catholic-born Holmes has already joined him as a follower of the Church of Scientology.

'Silent birth'

In the GQ interview, Cruise defended the religion's doctrine that childbirth should be completed in silence.

"It's really about respecting the woman," he said. "It's not about her not screaming."

Cruise said earlier this month that their baby was due "any day now".

The baby will be the first for Holmes, while Cruise has two adopted children from his marriage to Nicole Kidman.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 08:43 (twenty years ago)

The Landmark Forum (which was parodied in a great "Six Feet Under" running theme in, I think, Season 4) was, as HStencil pointed out, born of the EST movement of the 1970s. The founder, Werner Erhard, was a Scientologist who left the "church" and was accused by $cieno of stealing their concepts and language to start his own money laundering scheme. It is super creepy and is pretty huge these days (any given weekend in NY and LA there is a workshop happening at some airport Hilton, guaranteed). Some companies make their employees attend the seminars.

Re: The Battlefield Earth stuff - the aforementioned "L. R0n Hu88ard Life Exhibition" has an amazing anamatronic John Travolta as "Terl" exhibit inside that's a real mind-bender. In that same tour, you can see the Narcan0n movie hosted by Kirstie A11ey, which features a guy smoking pot and then going insane and jumping out a window with a machine gun. The tour is usually given by super hot Orange County $cieno girls who are "really so excited" you've decided to learn about Hu88ard's life. It's a MUST, really.... just make sure you park far away and don't give 'em your real name!

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 14:43 (twenty years ago)

http://www.brooks.af.mil/afioh/Graphics/Mushroom%20_Cloud.jpg

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:15 (twenty years ago)

Allegedly it's a girl named Suri.

Dan (Allegedly) Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:29 (twenty years ago)

I had assumed it would be a half-shark alligator/half-man named XRGLLFU

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:37 (twenty years ago)

I had assumed it would be a half-shark alligator/half-man named XRGLLFU

Roffle Haus

Tiki Theater Xymposium (Bent Over at the Arclight), Tuesday, 18 April 2006 22:40 (twenty years ago)

Update

Actress Katie Holmes, who is engaged to film star Tom Cruise, has given birth to the couple's first child.

Holmes gave birth to a baby girl, Suri, on Tuesday in Los Angeles. Both mother and baby were "doing well", a spokesman said in a statement.

The baby is the first for Holmes, while Cruise has two adopted children from his marriage to Nicole Kidman.

The couple, who have been engaged since June 2005, plan to marry in late summer or early autumn, according to Cruise.

Spokesman Paul Bloch said in a statement that the couple "joyously welcomed" the arrival of their daughter.

The baby's name, Suri, came from Hebrew, meaning "princess" or Persian, meaning "red rose", the statement said.

The baby weighed 3.4 kg (7lb 7 oz) and measured 50.8 cm (20 inches), Mr Bloch said.

No details were given about the birth itself, which had been the subject of much speculation amid suggestion that Holmes, 27, would give birth in silence in accordance with Scientology doctrine.

Cruise, 43, is currently in the middle of promoting his new film, Mission Impossible III.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:19 (twenty years ago)

I had assumed it would be a half-shark alligator/half-man named XRGLLFU

u mean CHAKI

-+-+-, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:22 (twenty years ago)

I wonder if she was quiet.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:41 (twenty years ago)

Actually I don't. I know thats (mission)impossible.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 00:42 (twenty years ago)

Had it been a boy, I'd heard Tom wanted to name it Gort.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Had it been a boy, I'd herd Tom wanted to name it Gort.

Grey, Ian (IanBrooklyn), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

Had it been a boy, I'd heard Tom wanted to name it Gort.

-++-+-, Wednesday, 19 April 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Had it been a boy, I'd heard Tom wanted to name it Gort.

JW (ex machina), Wednesday, 19 April 2006 17:07 (twenty years ago)

Had it been a boy, I'd heard Tom wanted to name it Gort.

kit brash (kit brash), Thursday, 20 April 2006 01:46 (twenty years ago)

"The baby weighed 3.4 kg (7lb 7 oz), measured 50.8 cm (20 inches) and was approximately 8,000,000 years old", Mr Bloch said. He later added that had it been a boy, Tom wanted to name it Gort.

dr lulu (dr lulu), Thursday, 20 April 2006 02:09 (twenty years ago)

http://www.animationartgallery.com/images/sim/simp453.gif
Troy: I'm sorry, this whole concept's foreign to me. Who knew a baby would be so much work?

Selma: Having a baby isn't supposed to be work, it's supposed to be an expression of the feelings we're supposed to have for each other.

Troy: Oh. Like how we built that snowman together in that Newport ad, remember how alive with pleasure they said we were?

Selma: Hmmm... Look, I'm sorry. A loveless marriage is one thing, we're not hurting anybody. But bringing a child into a loveless family is something I just can't do.

--++-++, Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:06 (twenty years ago)

Selma: But... don't you love me?

Troy: Sure I do! Like I love Fresca! Isn't that enough? The only difference between our marriage and any one else's is we know ours is a sham.

Selma: Are you gay?

Troy: Gay? I wish! If I were gay they'd be no problem! No, what I have is a romantic... abnormality, one so unbelievable that it must be hidden from the public at all cost. You see...

Selma: Stop!

-+-++-+, Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:08 (twenty years ago)

I miss Troy McClure.

The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:12 (twenty years ago)

what does 'the mercury krueger' mean?

-++-+++-+, Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:13 (twenty years ago)

It's a long story, kind of dumb anyway.

The Mercury Krueger (Ex Leon), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:22 (twenty years ago)

Is it bad that I'm curious about this? NOt that I have an interest in joining. What would they do if I went into one of their centers?

Benjamin H (BillMartini), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:28 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

l ron hubbard frozen sperm wtf

and what, Monday, 7 January 2008 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

¿

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 7 January 2008 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

http://inhome.rediff.com/movies/2008/jan/07suri.htm

and what, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes' daughter Suri was conceived by sperm from dead Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, claims a new book by biographer Andrew Morton.

In the book, Tom Cruise : An Unauthorised Biography, Morton claims that the 20-month old dark-haired little girl is the product of a "Rosemary's Baby" like conception.

and what, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.madmoneymovie.com/

s1ocki, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

hahahaha

the music omg

and what, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

that is one cute kid scientologist or not

sunny successor, Monday, 7 January 2008 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

you mean Latifah right

J0hn D., Monday, 7 January 2008 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

haha the funny thing about the Hubbard sperm thing is that it sounds like an urban legend a la Walt Disney being cryogenically frozen but with Scientology it's like..."who knows?"

latebloomer, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

Also, Tom Cruise was always rumored to be sterile so it kind of "makes sense".

ENBB, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:34 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I just heard that over the weekend -- sterile via an old social disease contracted on the job...

Laurel, Monday, 7 January 2008 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/tom-cruise-david-miscavige.jpg

dell, Monday, 7 January 2008 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

(c) Scientology!

gabbneb, Monday, 7 January 2008 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

Request: someone shop that photo so that IAS replaced w/ILX and Miscavige dude's face replaced w/Ned's.

dell, Monday, 7 January 2008 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

http://makeushot.com/wp-content/uploads/katie-holmes-mad-money.jpg

Omigod this legal tender has stretched all my face muscles most uncomfortably! Teehee! Right on!

Abbott, Monday, 7 January 2008 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

http://media.justjared.com/headlines/2007/10/katie-holmes-mad-money.jpg

I'M LACTATING BILLS!

Abbott, Monday, 7 January 2008 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.tomkatcrazy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/mad-money-katie-holmes-04.jpg

She is smiling because a flying pig is entertaining them.

Abbott, Monday, 7 January 2008 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

hahaha that guy is shorter than Tom Cruise

latebloomer, Monday, 7 January 2008 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

remember this little girl?

http://pebloga.interfree.it/Mio%20Dio!!!.jpg

sunny successor, Monday, 7 January 2008 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

i used to like her:-(

latebloomer, Monday, 7 January 2008 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

sterile via an old social disease contracted on the job

his pre-Risky Business hustling gig?

Dr Morbius, Monday, 7 January 2008 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

Request: someone shop that photo so that IAS replaced w/ILX and Miscavige dude's face replaced w/Ned's.

A vision.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 7 January 2008 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2009/03/06/katie_holmes_400.jpg

the innermost wee guy (onimo), Friday, 6 March 2009 12:56 (seventeen years ago)

Did she MSPaint her face when she forgot her makeup somewhere?

StanM, Friday, 6 March 2009 13:03 (seventeen years ago)

She looks still better than most of us. That said, apparently she's doing some purification diet for her next alien baby. I shouldn't really criticize: my diet consisted of lots of french fries and pizzas.

Nathalie (stevienixed), Friday, 6 March 2009 13:51 (seventeen years ago)

I have been told that KH has her own personal security team of Secret Service types who go in everywhere and SWEEP THE ROOM for bugs, bombs, guns etc in that deliciously paranoid-narcissistic way Hollywood feels entitled to. Source: friend who is costumier on Teh N4nny Di4ri3s, as told to mutual friend, who says that KH seems to be style-idolising our costumey pal (but not in yeooow yuck makeup terms). Costumey friend also reports KH much nicer than one would expect under the circumstances.

We Need To Talk About Kevin Smith (suzy), Friday, 6 March 2009 13:59 (seventeen years ago)

bugs, bombs, guns etc engrams

Alas, those pwns never came. (libcrypt), Friday, 6 March 2009 14:38 (seventeen years ago)

never change suz

rip dom passantino 3/5/09 never forget (max), Friday, 6 March 2009 15:00 (seventeen years ago)

one year passes...

I'm reading odd rumors about her in the French press.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:06 (fifteen years ago)

such as

max, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:08 (fifteen years ago)

http://madame.lefigaro.fr/celebrites/faut-sauver-katie-holmes-010311-138484

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:10 (fifteen years ago)

what's the gist of that, Michael?

jed_, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:11 (fifteen years ago)

Speculation that she's going to divorce

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:14 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1355130/Katie-Holmes-looks-sad-distant-Tom-Cruise-night-Suri.html

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:15 (fifteen years ago)

KH is depressed that her marriage to Cruise hasn't done anything for her career, thinks Cruise is a weirdo, and wants to raise Suri in a more diverse environment (i.e., not just among other Scientologists) than he does.

jaymc, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:16 (fifteen years ago)

Since his diet and herbal green tea (in the event of a second pregnancy) in early 2010, Katie has never really smiled. Tom had sex with other men ... so what? Tom is accused by the FBI of involvement in the exploitation of followers of Scientology: she goes to buy shoes for Suri. Tom takes Suri with dinner at a Thai restaurant where the paparazzi are also output: it does not move a wand. In Vancouver with her husband on the set of Mission Impossible 4 , it seems worse than living hell ( see photos ).

max, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:16 (fifteen years ago)

the evidence seems limited to something a UK fashion mag said and pictures of her frowning?

iatee, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:18 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, id say this story does not move a wand

max, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:19 (fifteen years ago)

why are you reading 'le figaro madame', is the bigger question

iatee, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:22 (fifteen years ago)

xp Think a moment. She is married to Tom Cruise, who is raising her child to be a little version of himself. How could she be happy? The idea that she would want to divorce him is, far from being "odd", but rather the sanest thing I've heard about their marriage since it happened. It's probably just a baseless rumor, but it's worth hoping it's true.

Aimless, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:23 (fifteen years ago)

she has been in the center of a major cult for a long time now, if she ever leaves it's more a deprogramming than a divorce

why would someone who loves tom cruise be unhappy with a mini tom cruise?

iatee, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:26 (fifteen years ago)

The hypothesis that she loves Tom Cruise after living with him for many years does not compute.

Aimless, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:29 (fifteen years ago)

why are you reading 'le figaro madame', is the bigger question

The real question is why I read Le Figaro at all, but that story was a link on the online newspaper site.

I agree it's utter bullshit journalism but it's the kind of thing that would be pretty big celebrity news in the US (esp., after the NYer article on Scientology) so I wondered if anybody else had heard anything.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:29 (fifteen years ago)

the idea that she would love tom cruise less after years of him being tom cruise around her also doesn't compute, I mean she fell in love with a man who acted like tom cruise - the tom crusiness appealed to her. over the years he has become even more tom cruise-y she should probably love him more.

iatee, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:33 (fifteen years ago)

Her life is unbelievably weird - whatever room she's going to be in for any length of time is combed for bugs etc by about 12 bodyguards (friend who said this worked with her on a film) but other than that, I don't know what to say. Will try to get add'l info.

anna sui generis (suzy), Tuesday, 1 March 2011 19:36 (fifteen years ago)

the idea that she would love tom cruise less after years of him being tom cruise around her also doesn't compute, I mean she fell in love with a man who acted like tom cruise - the tom crusiness appealed to her. over the years he has become even more tom cruise-y she should probably love him more.

It's worth noting that she married someone who was her movie-star crush when she was a kid. I don't think it's inconceivable that she was blinded by that for a while.

jaymc, Tuesday, 1 March 2011 23:48 (fifteen years ago)

it's worth noting this was a total publicity sham set up by clam handlers who'd been auditioning actresses for the role of Tom Cruise's Wife for a year, too

blud money (sic), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 00:49 (fifteen years ago)

Yeah I vaguely recall back then reading that a few had been approached for... "dates"?

gnarly gnarlingtons in my life (Trayce), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 00:58 (fifteen years ago)

i had movie star crushes when i was a kid too, but i don't think it would blind me to this stuff, particularly if i were a reasonably successful and well-off actress in my own right

mookieproof, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 01:07 (fifteen years ago)

I was always suprised she had no problem with his position in the clams.

gnarly gnarlingtons in my life (Trayce), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 01:08 (fifteen years ago)

Or, if she did, she put that aside for... whatever reason.

gnarly gnarlingtons in my life (Trayce), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 01:08 (fifteen years ago)

all I really want to say is that a mini Tom Cruise must be really, REALLY tiny

goth barbershop quartet (DJP), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 01:25 (fifteen years ago)

I wonder if it upsets Joey to see Jen get nominated for Oscars.

Peyton Flanders (Nicole), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 01:29 (fifteen years ago)

etymology of 'clam handlers' plz?

piscesx, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:27 (fifteen years ago)

http://www.xenu.net/clam_faq.html

blud money (sic), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 04:50 (fifteen years ago)

lol @ the extrapolations made in that article from a few photos of KH looking like a ~normal person~.

just1n3, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 06:00 (fifteen years ago)

"Dowdy: Katie's outfit of unflattering cardigan, trousers and boots earlier this week was far removed from her usual stylish chic"

am0n, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 06:21 (fifteen years ago)

this morning i was telling someone i'm waiting for her to divorce and write the tell all memoir that ruins tom and scientology

o what a day that will be

HOOStory is back. Fasten your steenbelts. (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 06:33 (fifteen years ago)

how comes Nicole K didn't do that already?

piscesx, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 06:53 (fifteen years ago)

can't write

blud money (sic), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 12:43 (fifteen years ago)

yeah, id say this story does not move a wand

Incidentally, elle ne bouge pas une baguette should be translated more as 'she never touched her chopsticks' more than something about not touching wands.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 14:52 (fifteen years ago)

what does that idiom even mean, "it doesn't matter"?

goth barbershop quartet (DJP), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 14:54 (fifteen years ago)

It means she didn't eat anything at the Thai restaurant they were writing about.

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 14:58 (fifteen years ago)

hah

frenglish is hard

goth barbershop quartet (DJP), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 15:08 (fifteen years ago)

i don't have anything much to add to the speculation, but i will add that i clearly remember katie holmes before tom and after tom -- the difference is pretty stark, and can't be attributed only to maturity. she disappeared. i lived in wilmington when dawson's creek first started and a lot of people i knew and worked with also worked on set doing various things. i remember stories of her being very spirited, energetic, and happy. one would be hard pressed to describe her using any of those words now and she should be in her prime.

the bug story alone...i mean...

this thread is not going to disappoint

Ralpharina (La Lechera), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 15:22 (fifteen years ago)

Well she's not getting laid, that's evident. It's probably making her pretty dour and stressed.

fields of salmon, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 16:03 (fifteen years ago)

I am always amazed that baguette has never become a french slang term for dick

iatee, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 17:51 (fifteen years ago)

it is if you say it the right way

progressive cuts (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 17:53 (fifteen years ago)

well yeah I'm sure it makes sense in context, I mean like a widespread everyday slang term, it seems so perfect

iatee, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 17:57 (fifteen years ago)

Baguette magique...

Le mépris vient de la tête, la haine vient du cœur (Michael White), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 18:00 (fifteen years ago)

The idea that Nicole Kidman and Katie Holmes did not sign rock-solid Oprah+ non-disclosure agreements is nuts. We'll learn nothing til he's dead, and even then, who knows?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 2 March 2011 18:38 (fifteen years ago)

LOL, if you google 'clam handlers' it tries to show you 'claim handlers'.

Friend reporting the 'sweep for (electronic) bugs by pseudo-Secret Service types' works with a fuckton of major stars in her job and none of the others have even approached that level of professional paranoia.

anna sui generis (suzy), Wednesday, 2 March 2011 18:46 (fifteen years ago)


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