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A thread for naming, discussing, searching and destroying those factoids and tidbits every university seems to learn in survey and non-major courses, the ones that get brought up in conversation and news features over and over again by people trying to sound like they know what they're talking about.

Search: The Dutch tulip craze -- seems pretty good for explaining speculative investing and also illustrating herd mentality.

Destroy: The "Tragedy of the Commons" -- overused, especially by libertarian nuts, to justify privatization of anything.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

"every university student seems to learn..."

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

I've learned the phrase laissez-faire in like eight classes and I still forget what it means.

The "frog sitting in water until it boils" thing, does that count?

― Abbott (Abbott), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.oldkewgardens.com/kitty_genovese-001.html

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

Good one.

How about Kennedy losing the debate on the radio but winning on television because he looked better?

I read somewhere recently that that version of events was not exactly accurate but is just one of those catchy explanations that's stuck with people since the article in which it originated. I wish I could remember where I read that.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Broad things that people seem to believe:

- American Exceptionalism aka Puritan Work Ethic → US Hegemony

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

and plug Manifest Destiny in there somewhere

― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

I guess most of these factoids probably originated in academia (though not Kitty Genovese), but I think precollege education and "conversation and news features" play a much bigger role in actually propagating them. The only thing listed here that I actually encountered in a college course is the tragedy of the commons.

2xpost, sorry

― 31g (31g), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Was I the only one who got the story about Latinate/Germanic class distinctions in English? I.e., because of Norman elites conquering Anglo/Saxon peasants, Germanic words are considered blunt, crude, or vulgar (shit, fuck), while Latinate words are considered polite, elegant, or learned (excrement, intercourse). Also livestock gets Germanic names (cow, pig, sheep), whereas prepared dishes get French ones (beef, pork, mutton).

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

I want Remy to post about Chaucer and "fuck"

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

(Pinning that on the Norman invasion might be a bit much, though -- that whole sweep of Euro history would seem to trend toward a narrative where Latinate things are the peak of civilization and Germanic things are for the barbarian hordes. Still, for English in particular, it seems to hold okay.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

I've heard that one somewhere, but not in a class. But then there's also Orwell in "Politics and the English Language" who kind of flips that idea -- latinate words are indirect, euphemistic, and Anglo-Saxon/Germanic words are direct.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

Same thing, different agenda!

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

how about Chaucer and cunt/quaint?

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

See also:

compulsory heterosexuality, schröedinger's cat, sisyphusian rock-pushing, plato's shadows on the cave wall, 'slippery slope', portmanteau words, pansexuality, orientalism, 'the transgressive allure', etc., etc., etc.

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

- Apollo versus Dionysus
- Body Ritual Among the Nacirema
- "monkey" versus "ape" pedantry

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

BASICALLY, THIS IS COLLEGE:

http://www.40ozmaltliquor.com/billandted02.jpg

LOCK THREAD

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

THE CIVIL WAR WAS TO FREE THE SLAVES
AMERICANS WENT WEST
BEETHOVEN COULDN'T HEAR OMG
NAPOLEON WAS BEATEN BY THE RUSSIAN WINTER... LIKE HITLER! ALSO TESTICLE PROBLEMS AND SHORT
ETC ETC

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

Those were all high school!

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

YOU OVERESTIMATE THE QUALITY OF UNDERGRADUATE EDUCATION. PARTICULARLY FOR... PSYCHOLOGY MAJORS

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

sign vs. signifier, linguistic slippage, 'post-modernism is difficult to define', 'the victor writes the history textbook,' how to look sober when you're drunk.

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

search: the pareto principle (aka "the 20/80 rule") -- has applications outside its original socioeconomic context

destroy: game theory
prisoners' dilemna
the phrases "moveable feast" (lit. majors) and "rational expectations" (econ. majors)

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://digg.com/gaming/You_Got_Game_Theory_It_was_fun_until_we_realized_that_no_business_uses_it.

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

the story that "sirloin" got termed such b/c some drunk english king actually knighted a loin of beef.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, srsly? I just trotted out that Norman foods one earlier today and no one within earshot at my office had heard of it. So the standards set on this thread may be the teeniest bit high (meaning JW has it in one).

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

operant conditioning, regression to the mean, Nag Hammadi library, 'The Fly Is About AIDS', Dziga Vertov, Heisenberg principle.

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

regression to the mean

this one is actually useful to know, though!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah. And Jon? I think these

THE CIVIL WAR WAS TO FREE THE SLAVES
AMERICANS WENT WEST
BEETHOVEN COULDN'T HEAR OMG

most of us knew by sixth grade.

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

In computer science:

C is fast, Java is slow.
Assembly language is fast, C is slow

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

I wager most adults wouldn't be able to explain the civil war beyond "ending slavery".

Also, SO-CRATRES AND FROOD were in Bill and Ted!

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

College words/phrases: spurious, hegemony, pluralism, avatar, correlation does not imply causation, deconstruction.

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Laurel, that's why I cheated on the Normans and said "Was I the only one ..."

Better for lit majors would just be a list of short works always explicated in the same way. "Dover Beach" is about science! In The Metamorphosis it's actually the family that changes, not Gregor! (Plus ones you figure out on your own, like "Lolita is actually really cutting and funny!")

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

I wager most adults wouldn't be able to explain the civil war beyond "ending slavery".

Maybe, but I think most college grads would at least give it a whirl?

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously, though, nobody else's intro to anthro included a chunk of that Body Ritual Among the Nacirema thing?

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

THE CIVIL WAR WAS TO FREE THE SLAVES

i got in an argument with some girl in my german class a couple years ago who heard me talking about the civil war with someone and suddenly blurted out "the civil war wasn't about slavery!" i say "so what was it about?" and she says "well, i don't remember, i just remember my teacher saying that it wasn't really about slavery." OH THE THINGS YOU LEARN IN SCHOOL.

it's funny because when you get into the real world you discover that the only ppl who think the civil war had nothing to do with slavery are libertarian extremists and neo-confederates who run "THE SOUTH WAS RIGHT!!" type websites.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Mine did. Also 'The Sacred Rac'. We also read a Yanamamo book and watched 'The Mission' except for the sex scenes, which were fast-forwarded. (xpost to nabisco)

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I can thank college for teaching me how to play killer badminton.

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

correlation does not imply causation

Ha, try high school sciences

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

buy low sell high

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

and leave a beautiful corpse

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

college-speak for "correlation does not imply causation" is "post hoc, ergo propter hoc." or something like that.

other college phrases: "creative destruction," ceteris paribus.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

cui bono

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

quo vadis
res ipsa loquitur
exclusio unius

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

cf
nb

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

Weltschmerz
Weltanschuung
Götterdämmerung

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

vis-a-vis, ergo, QED

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

ars longa, vita brevis...that's high school English, though

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

(Weltschmerz was a semifinal word at the Scripps bee this year)

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

that's high school English, though

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

in flagrante delicto

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

"Et in Arcadia ego"

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, srsly.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

problematize

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

Trivia that anyone who has taken the Art History Survey now knows:
Marat had a real bad skin condition. Toulouse-lautrec was very short. Blue paint is the most expensive color of paint. The entirety of non-western art can be neatly summed up with that Hokusai painting of a wave.

― Annabelle Lennox (Arachne), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

I had an eccentric high school English teacher...I never got ars longa in college, though; not post-whatever enough.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

The entirety of ~~non-western art~~half price sushi specials can be neatly summed up with that Hokusai painting of a wave.

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

whoops, it was Weltanschaung

other "fun" German words/phrases:

Drang nach Osten
das dritte Reich
Lebensraum
Kulturkampf

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

heh. "problematize" reminds me that the culture of my particular college put me in the habit of saying "I feel" when I meant "I think." it's been a real fucking problem since I graduated.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

"the other"

― 31g (31g), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

Weltanschauung!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

"communism is a good idea in theory, not in practice!"

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

"problematic"

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

"always already," sadly.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

"ideology" (pronounced with a short i!!!)

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

dialectic

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

More German:

sturm und drang
Bildungsroman

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

Everything in the east is because of filial piety

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

GmbH = Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

triptych
diptych
tableau

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

roman-a-clef

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

"deus ex machina"

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

ts: mise en scene vs. mise en place

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

pronunciamento

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

"paradigm shift" (often the only thing that anyone ever knows about Thomas Kuhn)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

monkeywrench
macguffin
elephant in the room
canary in the coalmine

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

'achieved literary cross-cutting'

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

I wasn't a history major, but did y'all get the French Revolution-ification of every politically radical movement ever? that the French Rev was used as the model for analysis?

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

contraposto, chiaroscuro,
ionic, doric, corinthian.

― Annabelle Lennox (Arachne), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

male gaze!

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

oh, good one, teeny.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

the glass ceiling

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

diagetic versus non-diagetic sound

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

for asians: the bamboo ceiling

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

see also: phallic camera, theory of suture.

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

I was eating dinner yesterday at the Thai restaurant near campus and listening to these earnest early 20-something lovebirds discussing some aspect of their relationship and trying to relate it to Plato's cave story. And they both told each other how they thought the cave story went, and they both got it pretty much wrong. One of them was much closer than the other, but they decided that since the point they were trying to make with the story was more or less the same, that they were right enough. They were able to make their point and move on with their discussion. And part of me was like, that's totally not what the point of that story is, and part of me was like, hunh, they found a story that had relevence to their lives and what they were talking about, and that seems cool.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

see also: scopophilia, female as to-be-looked-at

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

"Late" capitalism.

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

vigo, spengler, 'history moves in discreet cycles'

― Damn, Atreyu! (x Jeremy), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

heh. I would say "cultural logic," but I'm not sure what that is.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

"Many of the literary techniques we now think of as 'postmodern' can be found in abdundance in Don Quixote."

"Many of the literary techniques we now think of as 'postmodern' can be found in abundance in Tristam Shandy."

Was it John Stuart Mill who had the line about the best society being the one people would arrange democratically if they were then to be assigned roles and positions in that society at random?

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

"Many of the literary techniques we now think of as 'postmodern' can be found in abundance in Tristam Shandy."

this is still all over gradate school lit classes.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

graduate, I meant

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

male gaze otm

DIAGETIC SOUND ETC

OMG NABISCO STEALS MY XPOST :(((

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

you're all gay lads do you know that?

― Breean Weldrick (weldrick), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

You people all went to grad school, didn't you.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

sublimation
projection

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

or took media studies 101? xpost

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

Bentham's panopticon

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Was it John Stuart Mill who had the line about the best society being the one people would arrange democratically if they were then to be assigned roles and positions in that society at random?

-- nabisco (--...), June 13th, 2006.

no it was John Rawls you fuckin' queer you

― Breean Weldrick (weldrick), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

the madwoman in the attic

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Why would I have taken Media Studies?

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

You're missing an italics tag there.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Why would I have taken media studies? (Why did you capitalize it? It is a class not a major.)

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

Herodotus, Thucydides, Gibbon

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

Gibbons, Lemurs, Bonobos

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

performativity

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

(I am flashing back to the semester I took a classics overview and a class about primates at the same time.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

(Why did you capitalize it? It is a class not a major.)

This is for another thread, perhaps, but I'd be more inclined to capitalize the name of a class than the name of a major. As in: "I took History 101 last quarter since I plan to be a history major."

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I'll be over in the corner reading YA if anyone needs anything.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, that cap style really helps:

"I took Living Primates."
"I heard that class was pretty easy."

"I took living primates."
"Against their will?"

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

bricolage
flâneur (esp. in the context of the history of urban spaces)

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

Why would I have taken Media Studies?

that doesn't seem like it is refering to a particular media studies class

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Forget it. The whole thing was a jaymc-poke, anyway.

― Laurel (Laurel), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

"After this class, whenever you see some statistic being thrown around to make a point, you'll be able to tell whether it's being distorted or not."

Said as if this is going to be the coolest party trick ever, and chicks in bikinis are going to rub up against you asking for your statistical know-how regarding, I dunno, sunscreen and cancer rates.

― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

FUNCTIONAL PROGRAMMING, TAIL-RECURSIVE FUNCTION, MEMORY COHERENCY MODEL, FINITE-STATE MACHINE, BOOLEAN HIERARCHY

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

IMPLICIT PARALLELISM, MUTUAL EXCLUSION, SEMAPHORE, ATOMIC OPERATION, EXPONENTIAL BACK-OFF

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

adam smith
thomas malthus
david ricardo
karl marx
leon walras
henry george
thorstein veblen (the dude who came up w/ the term "conspicuous consumption")
arthur pigou
john maynard keynes (the guy who said "in the long run, we are all dead!")
joseph schumpeter (the dude who came up the term "creative destruction")
paul samuelson
milton friedman
john kenneth galbraith
james buchanan
paul krugman

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

ayn rand

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

I have never had a professor talk about Ayn Rand, other than dismissively

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:32 (nineteen years ago)

ha, me neither, but i knew some rush fans back at school

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

nb: the girl renting me this place has a copy of the fountainhead on her bookshelf

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

my economist lecturers be loving some ayn rand.

― jeffrey (johnson), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

economics lecturers?

― jeffrey (johnson), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

All the economics people I knew were anti neoliberal

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

hmm, precisely NONE of my econ. professors had any love for ayn rand. not even the monetarist/neoliberal/milton friedman-lovin' ones.

one philosophy professor i had called rand's books "nietzsche for dummies."

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

thank you, i forgot how annoying college is. now ive been reminded why i never want to go back! yay!

― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

PLATO'S CAVE IS SO DEEP!!

― i've dreamt of rubies! (Mandee), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

my senior year HS english teacher advised us all to enter that ayn rand essay contest and gave me a strange look when i snickered.

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

ring around the rosies = something about the PLAGUE

― latebloomer (latebloomer), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

i wish none of my econ. professors had a love for ayn rand.

― jeffrey (johnson), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

speaking of economics -- the coase theorem!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Schadenfreude

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

the...ABJECT!!
http://www.otago.ac.nz/DeepSouth/gifs/crush2.gif

― The Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

- change to only one space after a period b/c of prevalence of word processors and magazines or something
- ven diagrams
- fucking pagemaker
- the internet was made by military people in the 50s and now in the 90s it is made by capitalism
- art students = only mildly annoying in comparison to:
- actoring students = way more annoying
- post-modernism is not all that hard to understand but any course you take that involves it will convolute it so that you end up just
- going for bike rides and enjoying pot more

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

mandee otm!!

also, I don't know what plato's cave is, for real!

nb I do not care to find out!

― teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato's_Retreat

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't do the bike rides.

― jeffrey (johnson), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

control systems theory
blackbody radiation
non-newtonian fluids
computational fluid dynamics
linear math
beer + 3 hour college radio slot = potential
the velvet underground
phish
sleater kinney
tuvan throat singing

― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

plato's cave was where he went to sit and eat his lunch during recess so the other kids wouldn't pick on him. modern-day philosophers use the term to refer to the practice of putting potato chips in your otherwise bland sandwich to make it taste better.

xxx-post don't believe that wikipedia crap!!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

haha SLEATER-KINNEY SO OTM!!

― J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, one's fondness for sleater-kinney decreases the further one gets from a college campus!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

haha plato's retreat

postmodern bike rides are the only way but no one will ever really understand entirely; however, there's a lot to look at with your own eyes along the way, but know they are your eyes and plus all the eyes of anyone who's ever told you something or the authors' of anything you've read and those who have built the houses you ride past and etc etc, don't worry, ride on - you can't stop anyway. or maybe you can!
xpost

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

- the internet was made by military people in the 50s and now in the 90s it is made by capitalism
LOL

SLEATER KINNEY COMMENTS OTM

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

also: ani difranco and the indigo girls (what is the '00s equiv?)

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

actually, I take back the VU and Beer + radio listings. Those will be forever classics.

― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

and tuvan throat singing

― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

oh wait, don't forget BEER PONG

― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

This isn't quite academiana, but: Christian Fundies wandering around campus wanting to know if they can "ask you a few quesitons".

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

collecting empty liquor bottles for display

― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

i didn't learn BEER PONG until GRAD SCHOOLL!
around the same time i learned "hegemony" (for real not just a word)

- "wavelength" is awesome
- that song called "debaser" by the pixies, love of whom indicates cooler university people (actually, that was true at the time) is actually based on this film you saw in an art history class - it is called "un chien andalou"!

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

the last fifteen minutes of every post-colonial studies class ever:

".....weaponsofmassdezzzzz....globalizzzzzzz.......maquiladorazzz....supportforIzzzzz......shellpipelinezzzzzzzzz.....usa:nogood/seeyoutomorrow."

― The Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

All girls, without exception, like Bjork.

Disposable income = better than you ever imagined.

― Gravel Puzzleworth (Gregory Henry), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

ramen tastes really good "raw"

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Gay Roomate Drunk, Crying.

― The Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

GP, I assume by "girls" you mean "college-age gay men"?

― Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

...Pace Derrida...

― The Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.delicrafts.com/wordpress/wp-content/jello_patch.jpg

http://www.socialnerve.org/che/che21_small.jpg

http://www.schoolperceptions.com/images/graduate.jpg

― The Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

This isn't quite academiana, but: Christian Fundies wandering around campus wanting to know if they can "ask you a few quesitons".

i actually got cornered in my dorm common area during freshmen year by some campus crusade for christ folks -- one of whom was an RA on another floor of the building. jack-asses.

we also had moonies -- under some stealth name -- wandering around the campus while i was there. fun times, those late 80s/early 90s were.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah -- "gay jeans day"

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://sf.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/04/ucb_torture_teachin_poster.jpg

― timmy tannin (pompous), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

lol at ??? + Che = Graduation! Yay!

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

academia taught me that everything matters

― electro-acoustic lycanthrope (orion), Tuesday, 13 June 2006 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

??? = http://www.delicrafts.com/wordpress/wp-content/jello_patch.jpg

http://www.delicrafts.com/wordpress/wp-content/jello_patch.jpg

― The Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

THEY ARE TEH JELLO SHOTS

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

rhizomes + desiring machines

the madeleine in Recherche (nobody remembers anything else about it)

safe zones

― dar1a g (daria g), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 00:53 (nineteen years ago)

noam chomsky / manufacturing consent / "media criticism"

― rrrobyn (rrrobyn), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 00:56 (nineteen years ago)

BwO et. al

― The Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

160-some-odd posts and no mention of The Milgram Experiment!

http://www.stangl-taller.at/TESTEXPERIMENT/BILDER/milgram.jpg
http://www.betterlucktomorrow.com/character_sites/steve/pic/buzzer.jpg

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 01:11 (nineteen years ago)

Or the Stanford Prison Experiment!

http://www.prisonexp.org/images/homepic2.gif

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

Also, we could probably have a subset of this for concepts regularly used to explain shit they have nothing to do with:

Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle: ("OMG the limits of Western knowledge!!!")

Theory of Relativity ("OMG, everything is relative!!!")

Entropy (gets used in discussions of non-physics-based phenomena such as human behavior and politics)

Survival of the Fittest (that reminds me, another classic bit of Academiana 101 is "Darwin didn't actually invent 'survival of the fittest' an economist did," and "'survival of the fittest' as Darwin used it didn't actually mean 'survival of the strongest, fastest, smartest etc.')

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 01:30 (nineteen years ago)

"occam's razor" = "let's go for the simple answer; thinking makes my brain hurt"

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

Occam's Razor and Shroedinger's cat would fit along those lines of thinking as well.

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

Gah xpost :)

― Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 01:34 (nineteen years ago)

Many KDD systems incorporate an implicit or explicit preference for simpler models, but this use of “Occam’s razor” has been strongly criticized by several authors (e.g., Schaffer, 1993; Webb, 1996). This controversy arises partly because Occam’s razor has been interpreted in two quite different ways. The first interpretation (simplicity is a goal in itself) is essentially correct, but is at heart a preference for more comprehensible models. The second interpretation (simplicity leads to greater accuracy) is much more problematic. A critical review of the theoretical arguments for and against it shows that it is unfounded as a universal principle, and demonstrably false. A review of empirical evidence shows that it also fails as a practical heuristic.

http://foreigndispatches.typepad.com/dispatches/2006/03/is_occams_razor.html

― intensity in tent cities (Jody Beth Rosen), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 01:44 (nineteen years ago)

i forgot all about occam's razor -- it fits this thread PERFECTLY.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 01:50 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc beat me to flaneur!

most of the ones i'd have posted were taken actually.

semiotics
"to-be-looked-at-ness"
"queering of the..."
phallo(go)centric
third worldIST
the imperial imaginary
geographies of spectatorship
the nature of the (insert medium of choice here)
systems of signification
the uncanny

― joseph (joseph), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa, most of those are at least 200-level.

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 02:37 (nineteen years ago)

convergence, constructionism/essentialism, the digital divide, image politics cf. kennedy/nixon debate, "cf.".

― Roz (Roz), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 02:40 (nineteen years ago)

"gendered"

― joseph (joseph), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 02:40 (nineteen years ago)

Xtreme programming, ISO 7 layer model, tool of the patriach and the Jacobian matrix.

― Rufus 3000 (Mr Noodles), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

diaspora
opportunity cost
beards

― Fonzie Scheme (Matt Chesnut), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 02:58 (nineteen years ago)

John Cage's 4'33" (LOL THERE IS A SONG AND THERE IS NO MUSIC, THEY JUST SIT AT A PAINO BENCH FOR FOUR AND A HALF MINUTES)

― Fonzie Scheme (Matt Chesnut), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

ANOVA, OMG

― Dan I. (Dan I.), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

Duchamp OMG ANYTHING IS ART!

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:39 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://www.ciudaddegijon.org/fotos/viesques%2005(jorge%20en%20meta).jpg

― The Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

oh well. what if i just:

http://www.ciudaddegijon.org/fotos/viesques%2005(jorge%20en%20meta).jpg

― The Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 03:59 (nineteen years ago)

whatever. paste away.

― The Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

in any case,

http://www.christianhubert.com/hypertext/postmodernism1.jpeg

― The Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 04:03 (nineteen years ago)

Stanford Prison Experiment otm
extreme programming otm

― lord pooperton (ex machina), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 05:19 (nineteen years ago)

Students who will think that obscure theories have an amazing relevance over their own lives
Students who assume that their course is relevant to whatever anyone else is studying
How to deal with rich students on a day-to-day basis - the ones for whom, say, popping over to Switzerland for the skiing is a normal regular weekend activity - without wanting to stab them

Actual academic things as per the original point of the thread:
Viking Sagas were neither history nor fiction
Strindberg was a bit of a misogenist
There's no such thing as "prehistoric Celts", unless you're talking about the Alps (this is a particularly good one for winding up hippies)

― Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:30 (nineteen years ago)

By the time I finished college I had dozens of those Barbara Krueger postcards. A great many of these caca-demic flourishes were introduced to me in high school, or by record store clerks at the time.

Cathexis
Memes
Reification
Postmodernism*
Game theory

*famously dismissed by me as "oh, stuff that reminds you of other stuff, with extra added imaginary nostalgia...and they want 10 pages on something THAT obvious?"

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:44 (nineteen years ago)

thick description close reading
logical positivism verificationism
epistemé author-effect
objet petit a Dasein
sinthome/symptom commodity fetishism
reification repression, sublimation
false consciousness "Whig history"
ontic/ontological long dureé
reductio ad absurdum abjection
Aufhebung l'informe
negative dialectics subjectivity/intersubjectivity
différance "subjectivity effects"
the trace pharmakon
the subaltern screen memory
performativity the Law of the Father
symbolic, real, imaginary alienation
suture ostranenie
"the male gaze" hylé
the archive base materialism
simulacra/simulation naive realism
aura ideological state appartuses (ISAs)
introjection/incorporation heterology
abreaction, transference chora
the fold the culture industry
the body without organs tautology
ressentimment totality
rhizome fort/da
jouissance the primal scene
techné phallus, phallogocentrism
the Other the jesuve
langue/parole "the accursed share"
essentialism speech acts/illocutionary force
"hailing" "thrown-ness"
post-(x) detournement

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:47 (nineteen years ago)

uh oh, the text above was supposed to be two separate columns- now it's all jumbled together, as if by some gobbledygook generator . . . (hey wait a minute . . . )

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 07:50 (nineteen years ago)

Holy hairy Jesus fuck, Drew, that's a Sarah Lawrence module on Irigaray, isn't it?

― suzy (suzy), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 08:03 (nineteen years ago)

damn, for some reason i think she's a hottie:

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/4094/irigarayfoto5yb.jpg

― jinx hijinks (sanskrit), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

(xxpost) Someone just finished a dissertation. :-D

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

drew's smashed-together list is AWESOME.

― teeny (teeny), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

It was a handout I made for an "Intro to Theory" class I taught- it just said "HAVE YOU SEEN ME?" on the top- it was for grad students at an art school. The point was that people have intimidating theory buzzwords thrown at them and it's alienating and spooky. But the terms do mean something, and they don't have to be used as firecrackers.

All jumbled together it sort of looks like a poem, or some lyrics for a particularly arty band or something.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

I believe that was the b-side of Scritti Politti's fourth single, actually.

The intimidation factor of theory-words seems seriously diminished now that wikipedia exists. (Same goes for the extent to which people understand the ideas at any significant depth, but that's coming from a guy who can't seem to resist those Oxford UP Very Short Introduction to ... Wittgenstein books at the front counter.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

VSI: Actually, these really are way cool, when it comes down to it -- especially considering the main previous competition was from those horrible overillustrated pastel-colored cartoony introduction-to-theory/philosophy/science books. The VSIs aren't quite as confused about your intelligence level and aren't trying so hard to entertain you, because they assume that if you picked the book up, then you're already sufficiently interested in the topic -- they just come off like a mid-level professor at a decent university was asked to write the text for an intro-level class on a given topic (which is precisely what they are).

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yep, I read the one about Hegel and was glad I did.

― Drew Daniel (Drew Daniel), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

drew's post reminded me of another one: la chose en soi.

another: (a) undergrads pretending that they can make any damn sense out of heidegger; (b) professors wringing their hands when some smart ass points out that heidegger was a nazi (who nonetheless schtupped a hot young jewess [hannah arendt]).

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

One for the civil engineers out there... The Tacoma Narrows Bridge

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/buildingbig/wonder/structure/images/narrows1_bridge_1.jpg

― LOL Thomas (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

we saw that footage in HS physics! it never stops being fun!

― kingfish du lac (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

Is that Tacoma Narrows Bridge footage in Bruce Conner's A Movie?

― C0L1N B... (C0L1N B...), Wednesday, 14 June 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

HELLO I AM SUBCOMANDANTE MARCOS. LEARN ABOUT ME AND OTHERS AT TEH COLLEGE.

― themountainswillscreamsforthebloodoftheblindvultureswhoflybeforethepeople'ssun! , Wednesday, 14 June 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

OMG, all people are from Africa, not just the blacks!

― like murderinging (modestmickey), Thursday, 15 June 2006 02:47 (nineteen years ago)

"Yo, do you like The Rite of Spring?
"Fuck yeah man, it caused riots!"

― Abbadavid Berman (Hurting), Thursday, 15 June 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

ecriture feminine
semiotic chora
the abject
schizoanalysis!
deterritorialization!
dialogics
polyphony
carnival

OMG awesome Propp fairy tale generator

― dar1a g (daria g), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

are there no science and engineering majors on this whole goddamn thread? Death to Liberal Arts!

― geeta (geeta), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

Integration by parts?

― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:37 (nineteen years ago)

The Jordan form?

― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

Separation of variables?

― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:45 (nineteen years ago)

The Dining Philosophers?

― Sons Of The Redd Desert (Ken L), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:46 (nineteen years ago)

xpost: "The Cyborg: Where Science and the Arts Join Forces"

http://isaacschlueter.com/images/laforge.gif

"IN SPACE!"

― The Giant Mechanical Ant (The Giant Mechanical Ant), Thursday, 15 June 2006 03:50 (nineteen years ago)

This brings back a lot of memories, such as:

free indirect discourse, which sounds a bit dirty
pastiche was also a term they loved bandying about
heteronormativity
totalitarianism - and how Nazi Germany and Stalin's Soviet Union really were v. different
docile bodies
false consciousness
base/superstructure
hybridity was one of the favourites of favourites
mimicry and ambivalence
white man's burden
binary oppositions!
metonymy
The Enlightenment as a catchcry for all liberal thinking after the French Revolution
auteur
Epicurus and how he is really misunderstood; the guy was all about moderation
hyper-reality
the copy
defamiliarisation
the spectacle
lowbrow culture is actually really cool!
inscription
return of the repressed
celebration of the irrational - which means all academics can get away with writing rubbish
the novum
diachronic/synchronic
language does not mirror reality but rather creates reality
paradigms!
discourse!

Some of these concepts are useful, but in many cases they seem to be like a secret language that suggests elite membership to make others feel less intelligent. The great irony is when these terms are misunderstood and then taken over by the masses

― salexandra (salexander), Thursday, 15 June 2006 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't noticed anything being mentioned yet that I (first) learnt at uni, but the one thing that I can think of that I did first hear at uni was the word "Pedagogy". I hate that word. Yuk.

― miele kitty (miele), Thursday, 15 June 2006 06:09 (nineteen years ago)

harold innis and staples theory
the turner thesis
equalisation payments + resource revenues
foreign direct investment and the branch plant economy
the keynesian welfare state (KWS)
the caudillo complex
the waffle!

― derrick (derrick), Thursday, 15 June 2006 09:00 (nineteen years ago)

four weeks pass...

american colleges sound awful

― sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 14 July 2006 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

i shouldn't have majored in math, everyone else got to learn more interesting things than i did :(

― caitlin oh no (caitxa1), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

i feel u caitlin

― Machibuse '80 (ex machina), Friday, 14 July 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

fifteen years pass...

vis-a-vis, ergo, QED

A non-native speaker asked me about vis-à-vis. I told him I tend not to use it, or use it only as a special effect, to sound elevated and most likely humorous. Search of the archives seems to confirm my suspicion, but I dunno.

― Duck and Sally Can’t Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 19:45 (four years ago)

TS Lou Reed vis-à-vis John Cale

― Duck and Sally Can’t Dance (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 30 November 2021 19:56 (four years ago)

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