The root of all business-speak

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It's just willful disregard of the concept of "parts of speech," isn't it? I think half of what comes off like jargon consists of everyday words, which -- after taking on some talismanic buzzword property -- get incorrectly repurposed to other parts of speech. So you wind up needing to "acquisition that spend," because for some reason it would be insufficient to actually "acquire that spending."

This pointless thread was inspired by a sentence in which people would have "visibility into" something. (At least "visibility" is still correctly used as a noun there.)

Also: what's up with the passive voice? It is considered deeply uncool in the business world to say, flatly, "we will do X?" Or is that too risky, too liable to prompt questions like "how will you do X?" and "hey, didn't you say you were going to do X?"

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

See also the use of "acquires" as a noun. If "acquisition" is a verb in business-speak, I suppose it follows that "acquire" would have to become a noun.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

seepage of counselling/psychotherapy terms into business, john

-- (688), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

John?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

It's a smokescreen to keep intelligent people focused on the surface of language so they don't realize that upper-middle VP types don't really do anything other than make all the money.

Alicia Fucking Silverstone (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

It's a dirty synergy, but it has to be leveraged by someone.

StanM (StanM), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

"creative" = noun (ex-adjective)
"hire" = noun (ex-verb)
"optimizationalize" = word (ex-non-word)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

MONETIZE

daniel striped tiger (OutDatWay), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 22:20 (nineteen years ago)

At my library, we have gone beyond serving the public, and now service it, despite the dubious connotations.

But maybe this easy slippage of words from one part of speech to another is actually laying the groundwork for the future merger of English and Chinese?

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think it's anything more than a way to show ONE OF US ONE OF US inclusion in the sphere of businesspeople. Verbs have been nominalized for much longer than this garbled crap has been around. I'm not saying it's not intensely irritating, but it's not novel.

The Milkmaid (82375538-A) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

nabisco you made that last one up.

Tracey Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

I've really tried hard not to engage with this kind of rubbish lingo. It is easy to slip into when it is around you all day - I've found myself saying "going forwards" more than once - but noun-izing (is that a word? It is now!) verbs like "creative" make me want to harm people with rusty blunt objects.

I use terse straightforward language in emails and such at work, and I pepper them with lighthearted humour as well - and people are often completely disarmed by this. However my boss likes it, so I don't care. I don't need to make people think I'm some kind of cleverpants by mangling english to do so.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

Wonderful book about this topic, by Australian journalist Don Watson, called Death Sentence (he also wrote one on pollie-speak called Weasel Words. Well worth a read, very funny books.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

And obv "creative" is an adjective, I'm half asleep.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

Actually Tracer I did not make that one up, although it might have been "optimizationize," and it was printed in scare quotes to denote that the speaker was aware of his or her envelope-pushing.

"Creative" is interesting because you can actually trace the way it changed parts of speech: first you assemble a creative team, and then you start talking about the output from "creative," and then pretty soon you just call the output itself "creative," in noun form. (E.g., "we need wireframes and creative by tomorrow morning.") I think a lot of it works that way for fairly sensible reasons, having to do with the heirarchies and bureaucracies of a big business team. That doesn't make it not weird in print, though.

Milkmaid, I was actually thinking about the number of words that probably had to undergo these sorts of changes for us to have a language at all -- kind of funny to imagine a bunch of people standing around a very long time ago and bitching about this horrible livery jargon where they use "harness" as a verb.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

there's nothing wrong with nounizing or verbizing or whatever it's called. that's just one of the ways language evolves. the thing with businespeak is its motivation for playing with language is v murky - some sort of dehumanizing esotericism.

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

"creative" = noun (ex-adjective)

This process is less business-speak per se than a regular source of nouns in English, isn't it ("representative", "homosexual")? In effect, an adjective by itself carries a nominal force, and therefore easily crosses the line to become a bona fide noun. This goes back at least to Latin; where especially participles (which in themselves are adjectives which are forms of verbs haha) are used as nouns, e.g. "candidatus"; most English nouns in "-ent"/"-ant" etc (student, president) are also taken directly from Latin participles.

And obv "creative" is an adjective, I'm half asleep.

FOR HOW LONG??? "We must effort to further creative our business advertise, in order to captivity a larger assemble of customers!"

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 23:28 (nineteen years ago)

I dont like the use of "creative" as a collective noun, because it reduces talented people to a faceless robotic mass. "We'll get Creative in to work the details". It feels insulting.

Trayce (trayce), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

But I'd bet you say "send that down to accounting" all the time!

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

Plus I mean, from a business perspective, when you say "Creative" or "Accounting" you're kind of specifically not referring to the people, because the people can come and the people can go, but what lasts, like a beautiful eternal flame, is something much greater than you or I can ever hope to be, the sort of greater whole for which brave men must be willing to give their lives: the Department.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 July 2006 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

Mmm.. yeah I guess in that context it works. Perhaps I'm thinking more in HR terms when you see ads for design/art type jobs that say "we provide best return on creative" or such.

Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 13 July 2006 00:22 (nineteen years ago)

OMG "onboarding"

(previously known as "boarding")

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 17 July 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

Is creative used much as a collective noun though? When I stumble into business circles I tend to hear it as a singular noun, as in contactacreative.com.

Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 17 July 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Also, seen recently on a resume: "I am a 28-year-old intelligent, looking for a position in ..."

Paul Eater (eater), Monday, 17 July 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

OMG I KNOW I have bitched about "on-boarding". I am 100% POSITIVE, because my boss and I wrote to HR to protest that term in a series of emails and we were informed it's a perfectly valid, widely used sort of thing.

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 17 July 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

Previously known as "orientation", as far as I can tell!

Laurel (Laurel), Monday, 17 July 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

that the thing the military does to make you think you're drowning when you don't want to tell them something, no?

jhoshea (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 17 July 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

two months pass...
Ha, this woman in my office just said the following, and not even as jargon:

So they've seen the concept, but we got you involved so we can make sure they have the ability to do what we've ... concepted.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

she felt awkward about using "conceived"

gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

I too, used to support the field teams, and "now service [them], despite the dubious connotations"

I just hope they don't learn this new term. Ever since I told them I would run a session on weed (identification of exotic plants) I have been at risk of cruel laughter.

Issadora (Issadora), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

You're saying she was in fear of this:

"We got you involved so we can make sure they have the ability to do what ... we've conceived."

"Oh wow, congratulations, I didn't even know you were seeing anyone!"

??

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

"I will get back to you with a specific date proposition."

Not as exciting as it sounded at first - she was just agreeing to arrange a meeting.

Bob Six (bobbysix), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

Safire the other day:


Thomas Nashe, the English minor poet and satirist, thrown out of Cambridge University in the 16th century for an unknown reason, felt the need — as a modern Merriam-Webster lexicographer put it — “to remedy the surplus of monosyllabic words.” To meet this need for longer locutions, he claimed credit for inventing the suffix -ize, but in 1591, Nashe found himself criticized (as he would put it) for starting the polysyllabic parade.

The -ize still have it. Whenever a new verb is launched using Nashe’s little trick, traditionalists are shocked. Only a generation ago, some academic jargonaut coined prioritize, meaning “give priority to” or “rank in order of importance,” and stiffs like me ran to the ramparts to denounce it as ugly, bureaucratic and unnecessary. Before that, we language mavens gnashed our teeth at the replacement of the simple finish with the pompous finalize, to no avail; both those -izes, and dozens of others, usaged their way into dictionaries.

Now we are faced with the rise of operationalize. Implement was bureaucratic enough as a substitute tool for “carry out,” but the vogue to Nashe-ize the phrase “to make operational” has seized the realm of academe and politics with a rush of just over a million Google citations. “That’s a good goal,” said Senator Hillary Clinton recently about the Bush doctrine to rid the world of tyranny, “now how do you operationalize that in a sensible way.”

My job is to hoot at this Nashe-ization for a few years, supported by the dwindling legion of those determined to stay the course, and then to cut and run with the usage antelopes. But wait: an exception. I am a happy resident of Nashe-ville about the usage — already at the quarter-million mark— of anonymize. Eric Schmidt, C.E.O. of Google, was quoted last month deploring a leak of subscribers’ private data by AOL with “The data as released was obviously not anonymized enough.”

What’s the matter with privatize? Here’s what: that verb was used by some politicians to torpedo what other politicians called “personal accounts” in Social Security. With privatize scaring people away, we privacy nuts needed a new Nasher. It is now provided by anonymize, soon to be followed by anonymization-resistant, the coiner of which prefers to masquerade as a sock puppet.

jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Most of those examples, though, are words for which there isn't a single-word verb form -- "prioritize" replaces "make a priority," or something along those lines, so there's a demonstrable advantage in terms of efficiency and word flexibility. But a lot of these business ones are like the equivalents of saying "orientate" for "orient," or "conversate" for "converse," where there's already a perfectly good and sensible word occupying that position. I suppose the one argument you can make for that is that it regularizes everything, so that ameliorate : amelioration :: conversate : conversation, etc. (But I fear some weird infinite regress on that one: if you orient, then you're having an orientation, which requires you to "orientate," so then you must be "orientationalizing" someone, in the form of an "orientationalization," which clearly asks for you to "orientationalizate" someone...)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 27 September 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

"gift" is not a verb

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

says the guy who obviously hates "Night Shift" by the Commodores

J0hn D., Friday, 18 January 2008 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

It might sound like "gifted us," but it's actually an arcane and clever pronunciation of "gave it to us."

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

gave it to us
geff itta us
gefftta us
giftad us
gifted us

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

Also I do not allow for poetic license or rhyme scheme cheating in the legal fine print on a brochure

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

let's table this discussion and take it off-line.

gr8080, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

when/why did this stuff start? i mean, i can't imagine businessmen in the 19th century talked like this.

J.D., Friday, 18 January 2008 21:02 (eighteen years ago)

let us acquisitione that spende

max, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

actually I think Disraeli has several industrialist characters in his novels that talk like the 19th-century version of this


'It's a booked place though,' said the stranger, 'and no mistake. We have
all of us a very great respect for Manchester, of course; look upon her as
a sort of mother, and all that sort of thing. But she is behind the times,
sir, and that won't do in this age. The long and short of it is,
Manchester is gone by.'

'I thought her only fault might be she was too much in advance of the rest
of the country,' said Coningsby, innocently.

'If you want to see life,' said the stranger, 'go to Staleybridge or
Bolton. There's high pressure.'

'But the population of Manchester is increasing,' said Coningsby.

'Why, yes; not a doubt. You see we have all of us a great respect for the
town. It is a sort of metropolis of this district, and there is a good
deal of capital in the place. And it has some firstrate institutions.
There's the Manchester Bank. That's a noble institution, full of
commercial enterprise; understands the age, sir; high-pressure to the
backbone. I came up to town to see the manager to-day. I am building a new
mill now myself at Staleybridge, and mean to open it by January, and when
I do, I'll give you leave to pay another visit to Mr. Birley's weaving-
room, with my compliments.'

El Tomboto, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

and is it wrong of me to also think of the the efforts that go into the decoding of dealer-speak by the cops in The Wire?

El Tomboto, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

watch me superman dat hoe

^^^ is no noun sacred??

gbx, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

nsfw, obv

gbx, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

like, any trade is full of coded chatter and jargon; is managerial/MBA-jargon really so different from the way colleagues in various other professions talk to one another? Isn't the problem rooted in the fact that managers have to communicate with other workers outside of their typical sphere more often, so us non-managers have to listen to what sounds like insane babble?

El Tomboto, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

that is if you separate management/public affairs/general counsel ass-covering neutralized bullshit speak from the conversation. that type of "business-speak" is a whole beast unto itself and has been covered in depth elsewhere

El Tomboto, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:52 (eighteen years ago)

I was trying to get at this above -- I actually like word-repurposing when it's interesting or convenient or fun, but a lot of managerial stuff gets to the point where it's making up words to fill in for words that already exist (e.g., the bit about "orientate" upthread). Using "spend" as a noun that means "spending" is just weird.

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

I'm trying to think of verbs and nouns that get repurposed or abused in my area of work in a similar fashion

El Tomboto, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:57 (eighteen years ago)

"Coming down the pike" is bad enough, but when they say "Coming down the pipe" I want to mini-gun the conference room.

Spencer Chow, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:04 (eighteen years ago)

toe the line
tow the line
tuff row to hoe

sexyDancer, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

Or when they repeat words like "incent" because they don't want to use the actual word "incite" because it has negative connotations - it would be interesting if they made it up, but they didn't and they just sound like idiots for repeating a word that doesn't exist.

Spencer Chow, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:09 (eighteen years ago)

drop the lime

Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:09 (eighteen years ago)

"Deliverables"?

Spencer Chow, Friday, 18 January 2008 22:10 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think there's a general rule about the goodness or badness of business speak, I have to say. During a big upheaval at the care facility where I worked until '03, we had a lot of meetings where we talked about the "culture" of the organization. I was pretty put off by this at first, but I came to see it as useful shorthand for "the various habits the whole team develops in going about their work, and the assumptions that like behind them, and the prevailing mood that those assumptions and habits help to build."

I am now defending some of the stuff that used to make my daily life completely insufferable, but what the hell.

J0hn D., Saturday, 19 January 2008 03:09 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

when did "in silo" become a thing? can fuck right off again imo.

what kind of present your naked body (Upt0eleven), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:37 (sixteen years ago)

'in silo' comes from some sort of company structure diagram, right?

quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:39 (sixteen years ago)

that would indeed be the context in which it appeared. repeatedly.

what kind of present your naked body (Upt0eleven), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:41 (sixteen years ago)

Had not heard before, was investigating, looked at this wiki page (which may help explain - it looks like it comes from that world of ISO-numbered management structures) and read that 'systems thinking promotes a foaminess of collaboration'.

woof, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:50 (sixteen years ago)

that'll get rolled out in the next sprint

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 13:55 (sixteen years ago)

i love the word "monetize"

max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 14:08 (sixteen years ago)

something so creepy and sinister about it

max, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 14:08 (sixteen years ago)

"in silo" sounds like an awesome horror movie I haven't seen yet

Lee Dorrian Gray (J0hn D.), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 14:14 (sixteen years ago)

"in silo" was the finnish release name for 'Witness' iirc.

quiz show flat-track bully (darraghmac), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 14:15 (sixteen years ago)

Where's nabisco been lately, anyway?

Sex Sexual (kingfish), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 17:19 (sixteen years ago)

people like you find it easy,
naked to see
walking on air

don't walk away
in silo
don't walk away

falling while carrying an owl (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:15 (sixteen years ago)

transmission me that asap

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 18:31 (sixteen years ago)

Nabisco was so OTM on this thread, even using ("utilizing") the very orientate/conversate analogy I always rely upon myself. Dunno what people have against the word "orient" - maybe it's considered non-PC in some convoluted way.

xpost - First place I ever encountered the word "monetize" was on ILM, courtesy of a poster then calling himself "Monetizing Eyeballs". "Monetize" suggested some portmanteau of "vandalize" and "Monet" - blurring up a completed painting after the fashion of an Impressionist, and "Eyeballs" reinforced the visual aspect, so I got a fully unique (and completely wrong) interpretation of what the name meant. Wasn't until some months afterward that I began to encounter the word "monetize" in its usual context.

Ceci n'est pas une display name (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 19:13 (sixteen years ago)

I've certainly heard of "silo structure" or "silo mentality" in a workplace - the idea that every deparment is a world unto itself and wont cross-communicate with the rest of the company, to its supposed detriment. These days its all about generalisation instead of specialisation, grumble.

ABBAcab (Trayce), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 22:12 (sixteen years ago)

Was listening today to an interview with the two guys who run the agency that created the new Old Spice ads. When asked how they work on ideas, one of them replied, "Well, we concept everything together . . ." That one just drives me insane. We already HAVE a perfectly good word for what you're doing: conceive. Most disgusting savages, etc.

El Poopo Loco (Pancakes Hackman), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 22:23 (sixteen years ago)

TS: Business-vapo-speak VS Masters-Degree-in-Educationese

Aimless, Thursday, 25 February 2010 01:53 (sixteen years ago)

just heard the phrase "drink from the hose"

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Thursday, 25 February 2010 17:28 (sixteen years ago)

'conceive' is too sexy for orfice use

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Thursday, 25 February 2010 17:34 (sixteen years ago)

two weeks pass...

I would like to issue a prohibition against the use of the word "churn", when not within a butter-related context, and "champion" as a verb, when not related to "danny the, of the world".

niminy-piminy cricket (Upt0eleven), Friday, 12 March 2010 09:58 (sixteen years ago)

This office, yesterday:

me: Do you want bullet points or numbers in this list?

editor: Numbers. It's part of the customer journey.

woof, Friday, 12 March 2010 10:05 (sixteen years ago)

How do y'all feel about the tribune company CEO and his memo? The overwhelming reaction seems to be that he is "micromanaging", but I certainly appreciate his intent.

http://chicagoist.com/2010/03/10/the_119_words_you_cant_say_on_wgn.php

kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 12 March 2010 10:17 (sixteen years ago)

you know what business word my department uses a lot that i love? "flapping". as in "this problem has been flapping since 07:05 this morning" - it's perfect

Tracer Hand, Friday, 12 March 2010 10:21 (sixteen years ago)

flapping is like anti-business speak! pretty great imo.

niminy-piminy cricket (Upt0eleven), Friday, 12 March 2010 10:32 (sixteen years ago)

this is rife in sports commentary nowadays. "the take away from this, going forward, for the canucks has to be getting value-addeds from luongo and allowing the sedins to leverage blah blah blah."

dylannn, Friday, 12 March 2010 11:04 (sixteen years ago)

flapping is awesome!

but actually it is impossible to have a penis on the body of a mermaid (dyao), Friday, 12 March 2010 11:25 (sixteen years ago)

i feel like it has some kind of nautical origin

Tracer Hand, Friday, 12 March 2010 11:30 (sixteen years ago)

Getting into a flap = Britishes old-lady speak for feeling slightly exercised about an event or topic. Flap also appears to be Anglo-Saxon for 'contrétemps'.

ned ragú (suzy), Friday, 12 March 2010 11:43 (sixteen years ago)

From an email today asking us not to put food in the recycling bin:-

"The consequence of incorrect usage of bins has been an upsurge in fruit flies."

tomofthenest, Friday, 12 March 2010 11:56 (sixteen years ago)

"The consequence of incorrect usage of bins has been an upsurge in fruit flies."

New Fall lyrics sounding good, MES on strong form.

woof, Friday, 12 March 2010 11:58 (sixteen years ago)

suzy it's not used in that at my work - there's no implied bad feelings - it's more of a physical thing i.e. this problem should have been TIED DOWN but now it's flapping and causing problems

Tracer Hand, Friday, 12 March 2010 12:01 (sixteen years ago)

that's how I read it. It leads me to believe that your workplace is the 21st century equivalent of a light manufacturing firm in the west midlands populated with men in brown lab coats and neat ties.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 12 March 2010 12:18 (sixteen years ago)

Get the flaps out.

kingkongvsgodzilla, Friday, 12 March 2010 12:21 (sixteen years ago)

i think I shall add that into my work vocabulary today but add in a south Yorkshire 'while'

The Today program should have a list like the WGN one. Top of it should be a prohibition on correspondents putting "le" in front of and english word or phrase to make a french one; as in "Le Binge Drinking" this morning.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 12 March 2010 12:25 (sixteen years ago)

I work in IT and our monitoring software sometimes emails to tell us that a service is "flapping". I have no idea what this means but everyone seems to ignore them

falling while carrying an owl (a passing spacecadet), Friday, 12 March 2010 12:26 (sixteen years ago)

the problem, my friend, is flapping in the wind...

but actually it is impossible to have a penis on the body of a mermaid (dyao), Friday, 12 March 2010 12:29 (sixteen years ago)

one month passes...

saw "ahead" used in place of "go ahead" recently. as in, "this looks good, ahead."

dyªº (dyao), Friday, 23 April 2010 00:23 (sixteen years ago)

this problem has been flapping since 07:05 this morning

Dont know what context it was in there, but "flapping" is a network engineer term for a circuit that drops and comes back online repeatedly (it's been "flapping since 3pm" etc).

Eyjafjallalalalalatrolololol (Trayce), Friday, 23 April 2010 01:56 (sixteen years ago)

five months pass...

I need to provide "relevant evidence on effort and achievement in operationalizing constructive alignment" for my self-evaluation

...

tumlbrah (dayo), Monday, 27 September 2010 04:30 (fifteen years ago)

good luck -- monetizing one's personal brand can be difficult

markers, Monday, 27 September 2010 04:32 (fifteen years ago)

p.s. http://bajillionhits.biz/

markers, Monday, 27 September 2010 04:35 (fifteen years ago)

(not my site, btw)

markers, Monday, 27 September 2010 04:35 (fifteen years ago)

is that like social network runoff or smthng

tumlbrah (dayo), Monday, 27 September 2010 04:42 (fifteen years ago)

Nabisco really OTMed it in his OP. Business speak is all about verbing nouns.

rammer jammer jan hammer (Hurting 2), Monday, 27 September 2010 04:42 (fifteen years ago)

is that like social network runoff or smthng

― tumlbrah (dayo), Monday, September 27, 2010 12:42 AM

I have seen someone make that comparison! seems like that's at least part of the site's deal

markers, Monday, 27 September 2010 05:02 (fifteen years ago)

http://i56.tinypic.com/110gopf.jpg

markers, Sunday, 10 October 2010 01:00 (fifteen years ago)

two years pass...

http://blogs.reuters.com/felix-salmon/2013/04/29/the-tragedy-of-cooper-union/

I recently obtained a highly-unofficial transcript of the September 2012 board meeting*, where Bharucha was far from despondent or apologetic about the fact that Cooper’s board felt as though it was being forced to choose between charging tuition and closing down entirely. “Turning adversity into opportunity is really an opportunity that very few institutions have,” he said, before talking about something called “a vision process”. Later, he comes out with this:

I resonate very much to future-oriented thinking about higher education. I assure you that I will be guiding the institution to embrace these technologies and we’re not going to be trapped in the past. I think if we get over this hump there will be so much opportunity… I think we can lead… We don’t have a global brand. We’ve got to build that global brand.

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:02 (thirteen years ago)

don't feel, resonate

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:02 (thirteen years ago)

As inane as it all seems, such bafflegab is always deployed for a purpose. In this case its purpose is to throw a cloud of nebulous verbage over a situation no one wants to look at very closely, because it is too ugly and depressing. His positive emotional tone was the whole of the communication he intended, whereas he only pretended to say something about the shithole everyone knew they were in.

Aimless, Tuesday, 30 April 2013 01:32 (thirteen years ago)

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DEEP INSIDE TACO BELL'S DORITOS LOCOS TACO
From handshake deals to experiments at Home Depot, the history of Taco Bell's disruptive faux cheese-dusted taco.

http://www.fastcompany.com/3008346/deep-inside-taco-bells-doritos-locos-taco?partner=newsletter

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:50 (thirteen years ago)

In the facilities, we couldn't have all that stuff in the air. It would've been too much seasoning and flavor for our workers

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:53 (thirteen years ago)

"It's really one of those breathtakingly simple but huge ideas," Creed says. "I remember trying to sell guacamole in the Midwest and people were like, 'What's all this green stuff in my burrito?' But this was a fastball, down the middle. It's what you'd expect from Taco Bell, but supercharged."

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:54 (thirteen years ago)

this quote appears in the article twice

It's not just a product; it's now a platform.

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 14:57 (thirteen years ago)

"I remember trying to sell guacamole in the Midwest and people were like, 'What's all this green stuff in my burrito?"

I live in the Midwest and people here know what guacamole is, for God's sake. I admit that we might not recognize the green stuff in a Taco Bell burrito as such.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 15:41 (thirteen years ago)

i just love the idea that this guy is 'trying to sell guacamole' like some roadside vendor

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 16:04 (thirteen years ago)

Re: giacamole in the midwest. Maybe the person quoted is over 55.

Familiarity with and acceptance of 'ethnic' foods has steadily increased in the US since I was born, most especially in the hinterlands. When I was young, yoghurt was exotic, salsa or hummus were unheard of; grocery stores carried only the most basic and familiar of vegetables such as potatos, carrots and onions, but chard, kale, bok choy, jicama and the like were unobtainable. Etc. And I grew up in a largish west coast city: Portland.

Aimless, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 17:58 (thirteen years ago)

when i graduated from college at the turn of the millennium we ate out at an italian restaurant. my midwestern grandmother remarked that she didn't think she'd ever eaten italian food before.

j., Wednesday, 1 May 2013 18:08 (thirteen years ago)

argh, can I also point out the meaningless usage of the word "disruptive?" That word is fucking everywhere now, it's bad enough in startup culture, but for a Taco Bell taco? Do people just think it means "game changer" or something?

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 19:04 (thirteen years ago)

(which is not to say that a Doritos Locos Taco is really a "game changer" obv)

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 19:05 (thirteen years ago)

JFC this whole thing is like something out of idiocracy. We're talking about a fucking hard taco shell made out of taco chips, i.e., a hard taco shell.

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 19:06 (thirteen years ago)

OTM, that word is horrible. There is a whole lexicon of startup words and phrases that send me over the edge.

I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 19:10 (thirteen years ago)

also, the Disrupt conference is beyond horrible.

I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 19:10 (thirteen years ago)

In the realm of business, that hard taco shell is translated into mounds of cash. Because mounds of cash are the Most Important Thing in Business Life, it means that a stupid hard taco shell made to mimic flavored tortilla chips must be discussed in terms that bespeak its Ultimate Importance.

Aimless, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 19:12 (thirteen years ago)

A spirited defense of business-speak (at least some of it):

http://epicureandealmaker.blogspot.com/2013/04/in-praise-of-jargon.html

o. nate, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 19:15 (thirteen years ago)

Upstart Taco Bell is really disrupting the taco competition with its innovative powdered taco.

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 19:20 (thirteen years ago)

more offensive than the entire lexicon of disruptology:

"thought leader"

I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 21:05 (thirteen years ago)

Hoos that article is an amazing find btw

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 21:06 (thirteen years ago)

yes, magnificent taco article.

"We knew this was a breakthrough idea, so we put on our relentless hats

woof, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 21:22 (thirteen years ago)

"

woof, Wednesday, 1 May 2013 21:22 (thirteen years ago)

the thing I love is the open animosity they have towards "the burger boys"

I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 21:35 (thirteen years ago)

tbf I think the dorito loco taco would likely be rather disruptive to my digestion, perhaps that's what was meant

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 21:36 (thirteen years ago)

argh, can I also point out the meaningless usage of the word "disruptive?" That word is fucking everywhere now, it's bad enough in startup culture, but for a Taco Bell taco? Do people just think it means "game changer" or something?

― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Wednesday, May 1, 2013 7:04 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha 'disrupt' is what made me realize it belonged itt

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 22:19 (thirteen years ago)

Hoos that article is an amazing find btw

― huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Wednesday, May 1, 2013 9:06 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my secret shame is that i subscribe to 3 different fast company newsletters and they're almost always 1/4 useful stuff 1/2 useless fluff ('this disruptive solar powered toilet is making this african 4 year old a millionaire') and 1/4 incredible gems like this piece

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 22:22 (thirteen years ago)

Like, iirc "disruption" has a pretty specific meaning in econ -- it's an interesting concept, but it's really annoying when it just gets used to mean "thing that is marginally different that what is on the market right now"

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 22:35 (thirteen years ago)

otm, stuff like this

Airbnb, Coursera and Uber: The rise of the disruption economy

I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 1 May 2013 23:47 (thirteen years ago)

that site has a massively creepy privacy policy/TOS setup, not reading the article

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 2 May 2013 00:17 (thirteen years ago)

btw can a spanish-speaker confirm for me that it is (or isn't?) grammatically weird to call it the Doritos Locos Taco? Doesn't that imply that it's the Doritos themselves that are crazy, rather than the taco? Like I thought the point was "Oh shit, a taco made out of doritos, that's crazy!" not "Those crazy doritos have gone and formed a taco!"

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 2 May 2013 01:17 (thirteen years ago)

btw can a spanish-speaker confirm for me that it is (or isn't?) grammatically weird to call it the Doritos Locos Taco? Doesn't that imply that it's the Doritos themselves that are crazy, rather than the taco? Like I thought the point was "Oh shit, a taco made out of doritos, that's crazy!" not "Those crazy doritos have gone and formed a taco!"
--huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2)

That is accurate and part of what makes the name so lol IMO

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 2 May 2013 05:18 (thirteen years ago)

Boy Wonder weighs in

Stop “Disrupting” Everything: How a once-useful concept turned into a meaningless buzzword.
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2013/05/disrupting_disruption_a_once_useful_concept_has_become_a_lame_catchphrase.html

I will forlornly return to my home planet soon (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 2 May 2013 22:00 (thirteen years ago)

that fuckin guy

hoospanic GANGSTER musician (BIG HOOS aka the steendriver), Thursday, 2 May 2013 22:06 (thirteen years ago)

secretly reads ILX?

huun huurt 2 (Hurting 2), Thursday, 2 May 2013 22:07 (thirteen years ago)

three weeks pass...

Wasn't sure if this belonged here, in the college/debt thread or what, but:

http://www.fastcompany.com/3007541/mfa-new-mba

THIS IS NOT A BENGHAZI T-SHIRT (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 13:44 (twelve years ago)

this graf is almost worthy of Friedman:

Artists know the world of adaptability and resourcefulness very well. In fact, according to an annual survey tracking the career trajectories of more than 65,000 artists from hundreds of arts schools, the Strategic National Arts Alumni Project (SNAAP), close to 60 percent of arts graduates hold more than two jobs at once, and approximately 20 percent have more than three.

THIS IS NOT A BENGHAZI T-SHIRT (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 13:45 (twelve years ago)

Arts students may not have all the traditional skills, but they have the most important one: desperation creativity.

the white queen and her caustic judgments (difficult listening hour), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 14:17 (twelve years ago)

I have a particular fondness for articles with the format "HEADLINE POSITING OUTRAGEOUS SUGGESTION"/"Body text quietly suggesting that the answer is 'probably not' at the end of the seventh paragraph, but otherwise arguing an enthusiastic 'YES'"

THIS IS NOT A BENGHAZI T-SHIRT (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 29 May 2013 14:21 (twelve years ago)

two months pass...

GRAAAAAAAA just received an HR "onboarding" packet & immediately thought to come here to share the horror, but I see it's been covered.

emilys., Wednesday, 21 August 2013 10:02 (twelve years ago)

Only one thing more patronising than "onboarding". "offboarding".

mmmm, Wednesday, 21 August 2013 10:05 (twelve years ago)

when i was leaving a job a couple months ago, the board wanted to have a "debriefing" with me. I did not work for the military or for an intelligence agency. This was an arts non-profit.

not some dude poking a Line 6 pedal with his dick (sarahell), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 10:28 (twelve years ago)

I was not fired from my last job; I was "separated" -- is this a thing?

#REV! (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 21 August 2013 11:15 (twelve years ago)

seven months pass...

"I would expect"

anvil, Wednesday, 2 April 2014 21:13 (twelve years ago)

four months pass...

what is a corporate workstream and how do i align to it

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Thursday, 7 August 2014 17:23 (eleven years ago)

Do what you are told and don't cause problems.

dustups delivered to your door (Aimless), Thursday, 7 August 2014 17:30 (eleven years ago)

speed

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 7 August 2014 17:39 (eleven years ago)

don't drown

j., Thursday, 7 August 2014 17:40 (eleven years ago)

h8 'workflow'

mattresslessness, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 18:20 (eleven years ago)

i wish work was a flow

mattresslessness, Wednesday, 13 August 2014 18:22 (eleven years ago)

'solutioning'!!!!#

'here's how we're going to solution it'

argh

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Thursday, 14 August 2014 19:30 (eleven years ago)

i never saw eye-to-eye with my old manager, a nice South African lady who nevertheless used to ask me (w/r/t sales strategy) if I was 'building a pipeline'. I literally had no clue what she was talking about, having never encountered this expression and especially with an accent that sounded like she was saying 'bi-plane' :-/

3kDk (dog latin), Friday, 15 August 2014 11:40 (eleven years ago)

wow sterl that is a prize specimen

j., Friday, 15 August 2014 13:38 (eleven years ago)

Building a pipeline = meh. otoh, building a biplane = A+! Then you can fly it instead of attending meetings.

Aimless, Friday, 15 August 2014 16:24 (eleven years ago)

one month passes...

i've got one more thing i want to cover off

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 15:45 (eleven years ago)

i am tired of hearing "triage"

marcos, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 19:56 (eleven years ago)

Just saw the verb "to feedback", as in

"I'd like to feedback on the excellent level of service..."

bert streb, Friday, 3 October 2014 00:09 (eleven years ago)

In January 2014 the Government published its response to the Transforming Youth Custody consultation outlining its plans to introduce Secure Colleges, a new form of youth detention accommodation with innovative education provision at its core which will equip young offenders with the skills, qualifications and self-discipline they need to turn away from crime.

The consultation response confirmed that a purpose-built Secure College Pathfinder would be opened in the East Midlands in 2017. If the Pathfinder proves successful it will inform our vision for the future of the youth custodial estate in England and Wales.


argh get tae fuck

sktsh, Thursday, 16 October 2014 10:58 (eleven years ago)


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