Joe Paterno

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Roux

joe must go.

scandal.

shame & intrigue.

sad story all around.

i agree! also, check out the ncaa football thread on ILNFL.

oh right. yeah i don't ever go there.

Endgame already in sight.

I'm sure no columnists/bloggers will be tasteless enough to paint the fact of his leaving as the TRAGEDY of this disaster, will they?

might be a good time to bump this

Did something happen in the last five hours?

Joe Paedoknow

lmao buzza

lol

isn't pater no disturbing enough

he's a college football coach, ie, one of the least significant people imaginable.

(next to NFL coaches)

dude he is like the mount friggin' rushmore of college coaches. like, the whole town exists because he breathes. so sad and seedy and bad.

not like i care. but i mean come one give iconic legend credit where iconic legend credit is due.

am I weeping for State College or Boalsburg?

I say fuck college football as you say fuck foreign films.

i never said that. i was totally gonna watch trollhunter tonight.

amazon reviewers having a field day with sandusky's book

1.0 out of 5 stars Completely misleading title, November 5, 2011
By dakota loomis (lawrence, ks United States) - See all my reviewsThis review is from: Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story (Paperback)
100% false advertising by Mr. Sandusky. Not a single page in this book "touches" on how to appropriately gain the trust of young, at-risk boys, and then use that trust to perpetrate horrifying sexual assaults on the very children who turned to you for guidance and support. Almost as disappointing as the first time I watched "Touched by an Angel." Don't even get me started on that bullcrap. I still can't watch anything with Della Reese in it.

legit lols at this one:

3.0 out of 5 stars Touched, sort of..., November 7, 2011
By Tim Curley - See all my reviewsThis review is from: Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story (Paperback)
Jerry Sandusky's memoir reveals the way in which he touched young boys while in a position of authority and influence at State College. While I have no direct knowledge of these touchings, I give Jerry the benefit of the doubt. After all, if they were only touches, what's the real harm? Penn State football rules!

Interesting column from April 3, 2011

I'm sure no columnists/bloggers will be tasteless enough to paint the fact of his leaving as the TRAGEDY of this disaster, will they?

It'll be only a matter of days after his ouster before we get the first, "such a shame that a LEGEND was forced out due to impropoer conduct by others", article.

would not put anything past the shits who run bigtime athletic programs and their enablers.

omg he's staying on until the end of the season

fuck college football, fuck penn state, and fuck him

ugh, fuck that

wow this guy is indestructible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heewcZc0P-k

TMI

You wonder how someone thought he could get away with this (though he did).

tbogg Tbogg
Penn State students rallied for Paterno? REally? Did they call it #occupysomelittlekidsbutt ?
6 minutes ago

Police were not contacted after the 2002 incident in which a graduate assistant coach said he walked in on Sandusky performing anal sex on a boy in the shower. Nor did anyone try to find the boy.

For all his good works, Paterno deserves sympathy. But Victim 8 deserves more. He was assaulted one night in the shower. A janitor saw it and was so shaken he told a coworker it was worse than what he had seen in the Korean War. But, fearful that he would lose his job, he didn’t report it.

just really really horrible and horrifying. like a bad dream.

i dunno, just imagine how you'd react if you found out someone very close to you had been doing this, i guess that maybe it's hard to fault Paterno too much for not going to the police immediately, still he really needs to step down like, today

Hard to fault him too much? Impossible to fault him enough, you mean.

i dunno how you'd react if someone told you your best friend may have molested a child? seems like the human brain is not set up to work well in these situations and may just go into heavy denial, plus we don't really know what the grad student exactly told him. obviously his hands are quite dirty on this but I think ppl are simplifying this a lot more than necessary

wow @ that april column

i dunno how you'd react if someone told you your best friend may have molested a child?

I fucking know how I'd react. I'd turn him in immediately and distance myself from him as far as possible. Even if the allegations turned out to be false, well, then I'd have some apologizing to do, but I'd rather err on that side than on letting it slide.

i still think this deadspin column is about the best thing i've read regarding this whole thing

That a great deal of people chose to do nothing after that is proof of how easily a cover-up can spontaneously take root and linger. We'd all like to think we'd do the noble thing when faced with such a seemingly obvious choice. The truth is, we might not. It's impossible to read the Sandusky allegations and not get a vivid mental image of what took place. It's enough to make you want to throw up, and I say that as someone who had a near miss with this sort of thing. It's enough to make you cry out for blood and ask why no one did anything. The outrage comes naturally. But underneath that outrage, there is a real sadness and fear, the idea that "good" people can still be hard-wired for self-preservation, even when faced with the ugliest truths. Even JoePa. Even you.

http://deadspin.com/5857014/jerry-sandusky-joe-paterno-and-the-failure-of-adult-institutions-everywhere

- Drew "Big Daddy Balls" Magary

I fucking know how I'd react. I'd turn him in immediately and distance myself from him as far as possible. Even if the allegations turned out to be false, well, then I'd have some apologizing to do, but I'd rather err on that side than on letting it slide.

obviously in hindsight it becomes very easy to say this. I would like to think i'd do the same thing. I would figure that if someone told me this about my best friend, I'd probably think "hell no, I know this guy, that's not something he would do" and try to convince myself that its false. my brain isn't wired to believe something like that based on something a random guy tells me. maybe its similar to those who find out their wives/husbands might be cheating and their first reaction is to deny that it could happen. regardless of what kind of person Paterno is, I highly doubt that his level of belief in the story would be anywhere near that of a random observer. in discussion, online, i think everyone kind of says these sort of things. maybe it's only in practice that everyone turns out to be evil. I see his thought process being something like "I absolutely do not want to deal with this, so I will report it to my superiors but that's all, I don't want to have to take any more action on this", who knows, I assume more facts are going to come out

eh this was going on for SO LONG and it seems like enough people said something about it (& my guess is that there were more warning signs that havent come out yet) that its gone from "joe paterno being loyal" (which i get!) to "joe paterno being willfully blind"

like this isnt "if someone told you your best friend may have molested a child" (which i dont know how id react! depends on the "evidence" and the circustances i suppose), its "if several people told you, over the course of a few years, that your best friend was molesting children"

max otm

I see his thought process being something like "I absolutely do not want to deal with this, so I will report it to my superiors but that's all, I don't want to have to take any more action on this", who knows, I assume more facts are going to come out

There's an instinct for many, faced with this, to think that it's something that can be controlled ("What the fuck were you doing? Never do that again.") combined with the instinct to un-hear something, to not have it made any more vivid, to really not want to "deal with this" on any level, to push it away and, hopefully, never heard about it again.

xpost- max otm x2

like this isnt "if someone told you your best friend may have molested a child" (which i dont know how id react! depends on the "evidence" and the circustances i suppose), its "if several people told you, over the course of a few years, that your best friend was molesting children"

yeah maybe i'm not really familiar with the story or know what Paterno knew besides that one victim, i'm guessing if he heard this multiple times and still wanted to sweep it under the rug then that's pretty damn shady

Also the 'someone' wasn't a random, it was your former starting QB and current assistant coach, who you proceeded to keep around for years after his report wasn't acted on.

Read the grand jury report already frogbs if you want to discuss it: http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf.

thought the shower victim was reported by a grad student?

Graduate assistant, i.e., former player who was now part of the coaching staff.

Paul Campos of Lawyers, Guns and Money:

It’s hardly speculative to conclude that, in March of 2002, Joe Paterno was well aware that, if what he had just heard about Sandusky became public, it could well cost him his job — especially since a full-blown criminal investigation of the matter would probably reveal that Paterno knew about an earlier investigation of Sandusky in 1998, which was inexplicably dropped, shortly before Sandusky’s all-too-convenient “retirement” from the PSU staff. And Joe Paterno has always been better at holding onto his job than anything else.

It’s now clear Paterno did what he had to do to ensure that Mike McQueary’s confession to his coach and quasi-father confessor, whose team he had co-captained a few years earlier, disappeared down the memory hole. And here we are today.

Today, Paterno released the following statement:

I am absolutely devastated by the developments in this case. I grieve for the children and their families, and I pray for their comfort and relief.

I have come to work every day for the last 61 years with one clear goal in mind: To serve the best interests of this university and the young men who have been entrusted to my care. I have the same goal today.

That’s why I have decided to announce my retirement effective at the end of this season. At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address. I want to make this as easy for them as I possibly can.

This is a tragedy. It is one of the great sorrows of my life. With the benefit of hindsight, I wish I had done more.

My goals now are to keep my commitments to my players and staff and finish the season with dignity and determination. And then I will spend the rest of my life doing everything I can to help this University.

Here’s a photo of the “devastated” Paterno, from last night:

http://static.bangordailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/psu3-600x399.jpg

Paterno has known for at least nine years (realistically, at least 13 years, and probably longer) that the PSU administration — which for all practical purposes meant Joe Paterno — was covering up the crimes of a serial child rapist. The only “developments” in this case are that now everybody else knows it as well.

multiple victims + multiple reports

it's like the Catholic Church over there!

xp

Here’s a photo of the “devastated” Paterno, from last night:

cmon bro

okey dokey time to stop getting info from ESPN

At this moment the Board of Trustees should not spend a single minute discussing my status. They have far more important matters to address.

In other words, "just let me ride out this season, please don't oust me before then guys, just don't think about it, trust me".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFW0WCUEOqc

"We'd all like to think we'd do the noble thing when faced with such a seemingly obvious choice. The truth is, we might not."

yeah, i think most people would.

where was that quote from? deadspin? i don't know what that is. calling the police when someone actually SEES a child being raped is the "noble thing"?? i think that's, like, the least you could do?

Gerry Sandusky has never met Jerry Sandusky. There is no relation. The sports director for WBAL and the radio voice of the Ravens has only been in State College, Pennsylvania once in his life, and that was 24 years ago.

But after the sex abuse scandal at Penn State involving former defensive coordinator, Jerry Sandusky, became a major national news story this past weekend, Gerry Sandusky watched fans and colleagues steer clear of him before Sunday night's game in Pittsburgh. His email inbox has been crammed with messages -- mostly positive -- and roughly 600-800 new people started following him on Twitter. And he is now taking proactive steps to let Baltimore sports fans know it's just an unfortunate coincidence.

“When you hear your name said on the news attached to a horrific crime, even though it’s not a relative of yours, it’s jarring,” Sandusky said in a phone interview Tuesday night. “For years I’ve always had to introduce myself as Gerry with a ‘G.’ My mom decided to spell my name with a ‘G.’ Thank God she did.”

Jerry Sandusky, 67, who spent three decades at Penn State before retiring in 1999, has been accused of molesting eight young boys over a 15-year span. He was arrested on Saturday. Penn State athletic director Tim Curley and vice president Gary Schultz have resigned from their positions, and many are calling for president Graham Spanier and legendary football coach Joe Paterno to step down as well.

“It’s a very delicate thing because first and foremost, this is a horrific story,” Gerry Sandusky said. “If he is guilty of doing what he is alleged of having done, there are real victims that my heart goes out to.”

To a much lesser degree, the scandal has affected Baltimore’s Sandusky, who has received messages from angry, disgusted people who are looking for the Sandusky whose mother spelled his name with a ‘J.’ “I get the occasional ones that pop in there that are coming after me and attacking me,” Gerry with a ‘G’ said. “I’ll reply: ‘No relation.’” At the start of the Ravens’ 23-20 win over the Steelers on Sunday, Sandusky told radio listeners upfront he wasn’t related to the other guy. And during every story WBAL does on the Penn State scandal, anchors have to throw in the “no relation” disclaimer, too.

“What I have discovered is that there is this parallel universe of people who have the same name but no relationship to people who have committed or been alleged of committing heinous crimes,” he said. “Somewhere there is a plumber named Bernie Madoff. Somewhere there is a salesman named Ken Lay. And somewhere there is a truck driver named Charles Manson. And they’ve had to live with this.

“The part that’s really irritating: My dad was a great man. He coached in the NFL for five decades. He was a great family guy who was a terrific father and a great husband. And when he died, I took great pride that he left me a good name. And every Sandusky I’m related to and every Sandusky that I know, they’re good people and we take pride in our name. And to see this happen is just beyond bizarre.”

Sandusky doesn’t expect this story to blow over any time soon. He hopes people will feel comfortable approaching him again, though he understands why they have kept their distance. He asked his fans on Twitter to help him find a temporary nickname. But really, he just wants to reclaim his good name.

“I’ve got some really funny [nickname suggestions], but I haven’t found just the right one,” Sandusky said. “But at the end of the day, I’ve always liked my name. People like their name. I don’t really want to surrender it, but I don’t want to go through the rest of my life and career having to apologize for it.”

when a victim of my jr. high school band teacher came forward, the police were contacted, the principal confronted the teacher, and teacher refused to answer and proceeded to flee the state. My dad was on the faculty while this dude was teaching at the school and acknowledged he always had a reputation as a horndog and a lech, but it wasn't until a student came forward with detailed charges that anything happened.

anyway, after many shenanigans and eventually being tried and found guilty and doing time, here he is... back to teaching! (at least it's college kids this time, I guess. Fucking pedo. the system works amirite)

xp

xp - reminds me so much of the Rifkin Seinfeld episode, poor guy

JOEL: Remy Rifkin? Should I get a beret?
ELAINE: Oh, Stuart's a lot better! (talking like a baby) Little Stuart Rifkin likes to go shopping with his mother.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JXoXdIJQ7I

Jerry Sandusky will be found innocent
Letter to the Editor
Posted: 11/09/2011 12:37:09 PM EST

I have to say I find the accusations against Jerry Sandusky very hard to believe. I have met and know Jerry through The Second Mile. Both of my daughters were a part of the Second Mile program, and it is a great program for kids. I would have never hesitated one minute to allow Jerry to be with my children.

He is being judged in the court of opinions. This man is innocent. I support Jerry 100 percent. I also ask that people please do not judge the Second Mile program. They are a great organization for at-risk children. The adults who run this program are the best counselors available. My children learned so many valuable things by participating in the programs offered.

Again, knowing Jerry Sandusky, I find it very hard to believe that he ever hurt any child that was in his company. Please stop judging him and let our justice system work. I think that when all is out and said and done Jerry will be found innocent of all of this.
DIANN BISHOP
MANCHESTER

"The kids that were victims or whatever they want to say, I think we all ought to say a prayer for them."

eff you, Joe Pa.

Both of my daughters

And you can stop reading there.

calling the police when someone actually SEES a child being raped is the "noble thing"?? i think that's, like, the least you could do?

― scott seward, Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:37 PM (58 minutes ago) Bookmark

OTM

I don't understand how they can leave Paterno as head coach for the rest of the season. Beyond the ethical issues, how can the team go into an away or bowl game with Paterno on the sideline and not get absolutely showered with abuse?

They only have one home game left iirc.

Definitely. The worst way to affiliate the Penn State "brand" with pedophilia, any more so than it is, is to play a few away games with Paterno on the sidelines. Can only imagine the signs in the stands.

how can the team go into an away or bowl game with Paterno on the sideline and not get absolutely showered with abuse?

dude, bad word choice

"BLOCK THAT DICK"

"NITTANY LIONS AND ALSO CHILD RAPISTS"

That's all I've got.

dunno why we are still calling this sexual molestation, this is child rape

they introduced it as the "sex scandal" on last night's 6pm sportscenter & i was all O_O

well the signs will be there whether paterno is or not

http://i.imgur.com/Ta4hH.jpg

Definitely. The worst way to affiliate the Penn State "brand" with pedophilia, any more so than it is, is to play a few away games with Paterno on the sidelines. Can only imagine the signs in the stands.

― Eagles ft. Michael Vick (Eazy), Wednesday, November 9, 2011 2:11 PM (42 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i really don't think the level of abuse from opposing fans is going to differ much if paterno is or isn't out there

kaygee otm

this whole situation is still super weird... we still don't know exactly what paterno knew, and there's a good chance we might never find out. there's a lot of ppl that deserve more blame than him, not that he is in any way absolved. letting sandusky work out in the PSU locker room after paterno had given testimony to a grandy jury doesn't really help his case tho.

interesting timing in that this all came out a week after paterno passed eddie robinson

also really i'd like to know how nobody in the media except apparently that one random columnist knew about this until the indictment dropped

the comments on that article are priceless

interesting timing in that this all came out a week after paterno passed eddie robinson

joe needs some fiber in his diet

the comments on that article are priceless

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, November 9, 2011 3:10 PM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah i wish there were like 10x as more comments

interesting timing in that this all came out a week after paterno passed eddie robinson

Haha, this is what I was thinking. But I'm bitter from watching my beloved Illini piss away another promising season.

we still don't know exactly what paterno knew, and there's a good chance we might never find out.

I think I disagree with this, based on my reading of pages 6 and 7 of the grand jury findings. McQueary's (very explicit) description of what he's seen is presented, then we read that he "called his father, reporting to him what he had seen" and that he "went to Paterno's home, where he reported what he had seen." His entire testimony is later described as "extremely credible" in the eyes of the grand jury.

It's only when Paterno is on the phone with the AD the next day that the allegations become vague: Paterno "reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy." Not until the meeting between McQueary, the AD and the university VP 10 days later does the charge get specific again, "anal sex" instead of "fondling."

It falls just short of saying "the graduate assistant told Paterno he'd witnessed a child being raped" but I think it's pretty strongly implied.

Scribbled down my thoughts (as a PSU grad)

http://blogs.metropulse.com/the_daily_pulse/2011/11/thoughts-from-a-penn-state-alu.html

This whole thing has just basically reinforced my view that big time college athletics is completely and irredeemably corrupt.

^^^ very otm

I just wish the games themselves weren't so thrilling to watch.

The other thing it makes me realize is that college administrators are even more overpaid than I thought they were.

can't find any verification online, but I'm 95% sure that Sandusky was my high school graduation commencement speaker.

His speech must not have been very touching. I guess you all were too old.

*rimshot*

wrong metaphor

yowsa!

This was 1998, too.

guys, this has not that much to do with the nature of college sports

men with power sometimes use that power in very awful ways across the spectrum of society

j0rd unfortunately otm

ok but students rallying in support of joe is completely vile

j0rdan is broadly OTM, but i think that the general atmosphere of college football -- constant pressure to skirt or nearly break as many ncaa rules as is possible w/o actually violating them, or violating them and trying to hide the fact that you are violating them, or doing things that violate the spirit but not letter of the rule, etc etc -- leads to an instinct to cover-up at all costs in the ncaa

all of which doesn't mean that the general point sarge was making is wrong, but i think that general environment might contribute to a case like this

and all this aside, big time college athletics *is* completely and irredeemably corrupt

This makes me fucking hate college athletics 10x more than I already do.

Also as an aside re: overpaid coaches, Rutgers coach Greg Schiano is the highest-paid state worker in NJ, and when Rutgers was hit with $100m in budget cuts, they responded by eliminating entire sports teams and academic majors, and then investing millions of dollars into expanding the football stadium.

see also jim calhoun in connecticut (but at least basketball isn't quite the money pit that football is)

ok but students rallying in support of joe is completely vile

― call all destroyer, Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:20 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

no doubt -- but people are rallying around herman cain. they rallied around chris brown. allegations of this nature tend to gather people into very emotional and distinct groups. it's really stupid all around but it transcends college sports.

Anyone read last month's Atlantic cover story about paying athletes?

i've been meaning to print it out at work, but haven't.

my dad was a grad student at penn state in the early 60s and never liked paterno -- said he was too holier-than-thou. he was not expecting this denouement, however.

Anyone read last month's Atlantic cover story about paying athletes?

― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yup it was otm and this will happen eventually

no doubt -- but people are rallying around herman cain. they rallied around chris brown. allegations of this nature tend to gather people into very emotional and distinct groups. it's really stupid all around but it transcends college sports.

― J0rdan S., Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:29 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yeah this is true i guess a campus provides a readymade physical space for it to happen which is maybe the extra-weird part

Anyone read last month's Atlantic cover story about paying athletes?

― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, November 9, 2011 7:33 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

yup it was otm and this will happen eventually

It happens now. A full boat scholarship is pretty decent compensation for a 20 year old.

the "discussion" is happening at my school this semester.

i'm really conflicted about the paying thing -- it would be really hard, and it would be really hard to retain any semblance of competitive balance if it wasn't a flat stipend, but deciding on that number and how many sports it should extend to and who is going to pay for it is an incredibly complicated situation

but i think that athletes should get something -- they do an insane amount of work outside of the classroom, more than 99% of college students, and because of that and because of ncaa rules it's very hard for them to make any money whatsoever, and i don't think that's right

It happens now. A full boat scholarship is pretty decent compensation for a 20 year old.

― i couldn't adjust the food knobs (Phil D.), Wednesday, November 9, 2011 8:54 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

not when they're generating millions in revenue and relinquishing their likenesses forever and for free to the ncaa

A full boat scholarship is pretty decent compensation for a 20 year old.

if you're playing lacrosse, sure.

you don't find it a wee bit curious that universities and coaches are making millions of dollars in the revenue sports while "student athletes" are rigorously policed lest they compete for anything more than a love of the game?

i don't even care about the "generating millions" part and all of that -- just like, they can't generate any money for themselves while they're in school, or if they're really serious about their sport, likely during the summer either. it's stupid.

(how do you feel about missouri > sec btw)

The monetary value of a full scholarship is far less if you're not academically capable of succeeding at your university. Or if you're just not interested in studying because you consider yourself a pre-professional athlete, and not a student-athlete.

What percentage of revenue-generating NCAA athletes (i.e. male football & basketball players at big conference schools) does that describe?

when i was in school, if i wanted to, or needed to, i could've worked 30+ hours a week and saved money for when i left school. my brother, who is a scholarship athlete in a money generating sport at a major d1 university, could work maaaaaybe 10 hours a week, and that's not even taking into account the myriad of ncaa regulations that governs what an athlete can do in their free time

(how do you feel about missouri > sec btw)

― mookieproof, Wednesday, November 9, 2011 9:13 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

(i'm pretty okay with it. SEC football is amazing, obv. i think it could be a great opportunity for the school's athletics. but, i haven't been following the team my entire life and don't have memories about classic games vs texas or kansas or w/e)

yeah I really don't get big time college athletics at all, & from the instructional side it's a chore, esp. w/ juco transfers, since they generally make the rest of the lazy & distracted crop of students look like Nobel laureates.

of the football players I've taught, the one who was hardest working at school is the only one who's had a decent-ish NFL career (I've had I dunno 5? students go on to the NFL). I doubt a lousy academic career is gonna help a washed-up football player after getting cut in the combines.

despite all that I love the game, wtf @ me

college athletics are a way to build up school loyalty + generous alumni donation

i went to a school with a top-level basketball program and a legendarily awful football program.

neither have been in any ncaa scandals, which is v. important to the school and must take a great deal of effort. it certainly takes pride in its rep for graduating players and such. (tbh i mainly became aware of the school through its basketball successes, so lol at me.)

i had classes with two different basketball players -- one never showed up, while the other (who was impressively on top of his shit) ended up transferring.

if you think that these players are instrumental sources of revenue to the modern university, then cool (and you're right). but to pretend that they're regular students/selfless amateurs just itching to compete for the mere pleasure of 300m americans is . . . misguided.

tbh the nfl and nba should be forced to bankroll their own minor leagues, but of course there's too much money at stake for the colleges to accept true amateurism.

joe pa is out

confirmed?

i know there's a press-conference being scheduled, but i thought it might be about the ousted PSU president?

sbnation: RT @Jim_Gardner: Action News source says #JoePaterno will not coach another game. #Spanier has resigned.

DC is taking over

wow.

should have called it himself, but glad someone did

this has not that much to do with the nature of college sports

kinda baloney? they shouldn't be an industry.

no bloody college sports on national TV. ever.

should have retired before he was 90 or whatever.

is penn state any good? i have no idea. guess i could google them.

yes, they're good this year.

8 -- 1, i think.

They're #12 and only have one loss this year, which I didn't even realize until today.

man, kinda wish i had espn right now. and i can't remember the last time i thought that.

it's like the fall of rome or something.

No, you really don't wanna watch ESPN when real life is the topic.

tbh he's kind of the pete rose of college football coaches

any stream for this?

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/livenow?id=8425797

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/livenow?id=8425797

"joe paterno is no longer the head football coach, effective immediately."

ESPN News carrying audio of it.

yeah the local philly news stream there is just redirecting to espn.

i can't even load that video feed, their website must be getting slammed

Great, now when does McQueary go?

Terrible audio quality, but it sounds like the questions are starting to get a little chippy.

Suddenly...video!

Yeah, is this just local media there or yokels who wandered in off the street?

btw tipsy i liked your post, but i think i might change 'hurt' to 'stained' in the last line.

no way there is that much local media in western pennsylvania. maybe they agreed to only let one camera in the room though?

this is all so insane

apparently they scotched the idea of a "full" press conference for something more "intimate"

a little informal chat between friends about one of the most horrible things a human being can do

western pennsylvania

state college is in the middle of nowhere tbh!

that one reporter is sooooo butthurt

you realize there are doubtless going to be a lot more victims found. i wonder what else the board members know that we don't know. it'll come out when the lawsuits start

well they're up to 20 now

that last reporter!!!!!!!!!

am i watching a fucked up ass stream of cnn or do they really have a british on here

Roomful of sports bloggers and local radio hosts, judging from the angry tones.

i sorta feel bad for penn st students writ large who are gonna get a bad rap based on these dudes that just wanna come out and yell and throw shit around

those students deserve a bad rap for throwing pep rallies in support of a guy who helped cover up something like this

eh 75 percent of my graduating class wound up going to penn state and i seriously doubt even one percent of them are pro-joepa enough to turn a blind eye to child rape and its enablers. in other words jordan otm.

yeah, let's not make a minority into a majority

smdh but hardly surprised pennsylvania

i mean this is exactly like the bin laden "celebration"

it doesn't strike me as unrepresentative at all of the dominant culture on campus. a big time coach or player is the most important person in the world who you have to always root for because FOOTBALL. i hate that kind of thing but .. i dunno, someone should take a poll of the students

well i mean yeah penn state is linebacker u but it's also where a LOT of just plain ordinary pennsylvania kids go.

in another universe, if i hadn't been so desperate to get to philly after high school, i probably would have wound up there myself.

i for one am shocked that mr. "a cute girl knocks on your door, what do you do?" covered something like this up

SI_PeterKing Peter King
They named the library at one of the biggest universities in America after Paterno, then fired him on the phone.
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any student that feels that strongly about paterno being fired is probably sad as hell right now and in no desire to scream like an idiot. for everyone else, it's just an excuse to act a fool on a wednesday night, or to say that you were at the joe paterno "riot"

strongo in the happy valley. yeah, wouldn't have worked.

pennsylvanians don't really need much of an excuse to "riot" if there's any tangential connection to sports, in my experience.

WHY IS THERE A BRITISH ON MY TV COVERING THE RESIGNATION OF JOE PATERNO

WHY CNN

Sue Paterno opened the door of the Paterno home briefly when a reporter knocked, then closed it and turned off the light.

sentence makes me really sad for some reason...

uggggh Peter King barf

"beaver canyon"

What was she expecting, another cheering section? xxp

ok when did they start calling this place Happy Valley? That's like a Todd Solondz film.

maybe a Jehovah's witness xpost

see i have a problem with going out and acting a fool like that! especially if acting out means by your presence you're adding to the support for a guy who covered up for a child molester. it's really not ok to be that dumb.

college students!! etc

...america?

lol xpost

i mean the bin laden fiasco really told you all you need to know

so what was the deal with the reporters at the presser? a mixture of angry joe defenders and people generally outraged?

xpost i was a college student once! none of us were like that! liberal arts etc

i think it was a lot of local press that i guess are just huge homers... i don't know. it was fucking weird.

so joe posnanski has been working on a book about paterno for the last couple years

look forward to seeing what he has to say

the jokes about this whole thing from local friends in my facebook feed are really starting to grate

xp Posnanski says he's not obligated to have an opinion at the moment, basically, at least not in print. Still writing the book.

"Funny I don't see the scathing facebook posts about the eyewitness himself not reporting it. No articles about the eyewitness, who IS STILL A COACH AT PENN STATE, for not calling the cops. The guy who actually saw it, and continued to work at Penn State, seeing Sandusky. But why go after him, he doesn't make the stories like Paterno. Why is Paterno held to these higher standards as a middle man, and the actual eyewitness faces zero posts, zero articles, and zero hostility? Can you honestly tell me this isn't holding somebody to a higher standard because of their fame? McQuery witnesses the act, waits a day to tell Paterno, and ends it there, no posts, no articles. Paterno gets a report from a graduate assistant, moves it up to the head of campus police, and is massacred in the court of opinion. Guess Paterno should have been a little less famous. If this is what fame is, I guess I'm happy not to be famous."

from some dipshit on fb

What's the connection between people who cheered Bin Laden's death and those supporting Paterno / protesting his firing after these revelations?

If you're friends with idiots on facebook just don't read them and certainly don't spread their idiocy all over ILX.

eh 75 percent of my graduating class wound up going to penn state and i seriously doubt even one percent of them are pro-joepa enough to turn a blind eye to child rape and its enablers.

Everyone I know is just really sad about this. This is also following some massive budget cuts, so morale was already pretty low in town.

What's the connection between people who cheered Bin Laden's death and those supporting Paterno / protesting his firing after these revelations?

― boxall, Wednesday, November 9, 2011 10:57 PM (29 seconds ago) Bookmark

it's the same phenomenon -- young college kids using any excuse to go out in the streets and cheer and yell like young idiots under no supervision. and then everyone else wants to check it out, and the crowd grows...

dummies in search of a Reichstag

Students had a riot one ArtsFest summer and then had one two years later when they remembered how much fun they'd had the last time.

If you're friends with idiots on facebook just don't read them and certainly don't spread their idiocy all over ILX.

― boxall, Wednesday, November 9, 2011 10:58 PM Bookmark

why, ILX already too contaminated?

it's the same reason why people have "flash mobs"

Couldn't believe when the New York Times said State College is "quaint." I guess if you consider large bars and t-shirt stores "quaint."

herd mentality always occurs in things like this, half the people just want to have an opinion to be part of the conversation whether or not they feel passionately about it or not. garbage in, garbage out.

Over the last decade downtown SC has been surrendered so heavily to the students that I'm surprised there isn't a pig's head on a stick by the school gates. The town isn't consolidated, and there's a real issue that students have so overrun the town proper (with the faculty/townies/etc living in the outer boroughs) that nobody's contributing taxes.

"When is the next Nittany Lion football match?"

Two major events in recent years at Penn State, for context. 1) Students at "Paternoville" - the ginormo-line/area for tickets by the stadium - arguing they shouldn't be punished for missing class to wait. 2) "State Patrick's Day," originally a grass-roots drinking holiday to stand in for St. Patrick's Day when Mar. 14th wound up during Spring Break that continues to exist despite even when the actual holiday occurs when students are in town.

So yeah, this is a place where people INVENT drinking holidays the same month as St. Patrick's Day.

Did the students really chant "let's go, child rape!"? That is unbelievable.

wait WHAT?

Did the students really chant "let's go, child rape!"? That is unbelievable.

― polyphonic, Wednesday, November 9, 2011 10:10 PM (1 minute ago)

Source?

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/2011/11/03/state_pattys_day_date_chosen.aspx

State Patty’s Day 2011 cost the State College Police Department $18,700 and the borough’s Public Works Department $15,441, according to a report from the borough released in July. The financial cost wasn’t the only price paid: Criminal arrest numbers for State Patty’s Day 2011 totaled 234, up from 160 in 2010.

lol beginning to remember why i chose the college i chose, for better or worse

now that I no longer have family there, you couldn't pay me to visit during the school year.

Source

This guy got retweeted in my timeline:

http://twitter.com/#!/dan_bernstein/status/134476232480927744

"strongo, you can choose between a full ride to temple or a cripplingly expensive art school." "which one has college sports?" "the one giving you the full ride." "pass."

thank god they fired him; some semblance of sanity still exists

this is insane

greggdoyelcbs Gregg Doyel
Down goes the first light post. Crowd cheers this mighty victory.

actually, that's kind of par for course for college riots.

IMO these are the people that should be getting tear gas and rubber bullets

LOL @ anderson cooper interviewing dr. phil

i mean the college president and a legendary coach just got fired tonight because of a child sex scandal, i'm not shocked that a culture that has been celebrating an imaginary drinking holiday for six years isn't responding admirably.

CNN reports police tipline received more than a dozen calls since Tues from ppl claiming to also have been victimized by Sandusky

good lord

dying @ the WE ARE JOPA sign

JPosnanski Joe Posnanski
I saw a girl crying tonight. When I asked why she said: "Because everybody lost."

^^^^

W T F poz

gotta believe this shit is just gonna get even more sickening as time goes on and more people come forward and tell their stories.

http://p.twimg.com/Ad3HKlDCEAEkRcp.jpg

need pic of sinead o'connor ripping up photo of joe paterno

Related subject:

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/396/1-party-school

apparently sue paterno just stepped outside the house, addressed the crowd and then went back inside to a round of applause

Second Mile was established in 1977, huh?

i'd say this was a black day for pennsylvania's reputation but who am i kidding

paterno seems pretty bad in this, but i'm still kind of boggling over the assistant who walked in on one of his superiors raping a little boy and figured the best thing to do was report it rather than, like, running in and saying, 'what the fuck are you doing?!?'.

i'm not sure what i would do in the moment i saw child rape -- i could see myself panicking and just turning away

ok holy shit that photo is insane.

Before that This American Life episode (which I still need to hear), most people I meet look confused when I mentioned "State College, PA" until I explain that's where Penn State is. Since then, people just say "have you heard that This American Life episode?"

i do love that it's just called state college

"i grew up in steel mill, pennsylvania"

I'll argue it's the worst name for a city ever (and throw in that mail to Penn State is addressed to 'University Park, PA' for extra confusion).

That's the corner of Beaver & Pugh (pronounced "pew") in that photo, which is sort of the beginning of Beaver Canyon, where all the giant student apartment buildings are. It's officially classified a "ghetto," in the classic sense of a place where a whole bunch of one type of people live close together.

favorite pennsylvania town name ever remains of course

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Ball,_Pennsylvania

with

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercourse,_Pennsylvania

a close second

my brain nearly melted at age 12 when my dad took a job in blue ball

At least that's funny! I'd much rather say I'm from Butte or Blue Ball or whatever. State College is just boring and nonsensical.

i'm not sure what i would do in the moment i saw child rape -- i could see myself panicking and just turning away

i know what you're saying, but i don't think you would have

ha, i remember the jackass skit in intercourse -- wonder how they missed out on blue ball

"state college" is like the opposite of nonsensical, i think

its literally the most sensible name you could possibly think of

so sensible it becomes nonsensical again

Really? You think having Penn State in University Park within the borders of State College makes sense?

State College is the name of the town AROUND Penn State, Penn State itself is "University Park." Sensible would (arguably) be naming the town Penn State or University Park.

ya, basically makes sense to me. "the town around the state college is called state college." better than like... princeton. what is it, a town filled with princes????? GET REAL

Trustfund Meadows

alright well i'm telling you from an experience it's a bitch to explain that penn state, university park and state college are all separate but related things. You aren't actually expected to explain why Princeton is named Princeton.

Penn St Univ Radio reporting rumor that senior players will refuse to play Saturday in protest of Paterno's firing...

they might have to cancel the game if that's true

I can't believe they're still planning to play. It's just too soon for a "BUT WE REMAIN PENN STATE" rise from the ashes or whatever they're expecting

JOE PA HAS EMERGED

also students flipped a news van

http://p.twimg.com/Ad3T5I4CMAIJlwO.jpg

senior players will refuse to play Saturday in protest of Paterno's firing

Way to tank your 8-1 season, morons. Nebraska is very beatable right now.

what a fucking shitshow in front of his house

it is sadly lol that if paterno were just another coach fired for sucking, those players would never think of boycotting a game

joe REALLY should not have chosen to spoke to the crowd at midnight

wtf is wrong with these students

it is sadly lol that if paterno were just another coach fired for sucking, those players would never think of boycotting a game

― mookieproof, Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:08 AM (44 seconds ago) Bookmark

i mean i understand why, of course, but there was basically 5% the amount of coverage and outrage when the baylor bball coach covered up the murder of one of his players by a teammate and tried to frame the victim as a drug dealer

oh sure but joepa is a fucking saint

i know, i know. BUT STILL.

i mean i understand why, of course, but there was basically 5% the amount of coverage and outrage when the baylor bball coach covered up the murder of one of his players by a teammate and tried to frame the victim as a drug dealer

wait waht

i guess i am guilty -- despite being from western pennsylvania, the cradle of quarterbacks -- of underestimating my compatriots' ability to be revolting

buckle the fuck up

SPORTSbyBROOKS SPORTSbyBROOKS
I can confirm there will soon be new, major allegation involving child sex abuse in Sandusky case. Told tonite it could come before Saturday

yeah, dan

The scandal broke out after the 2003 murder of men's basketball player Patrick Dennehy. His teammate, Carlton Dotson was convicted of the murder and sentenced to a 35-year prison term.

Baylor self-imposed punishments, which the NCAA augmented to include extended probation for the school through 2010, the elimination of one year of non-conference play, and a 10-year show-cause penalty on resigned head coach Dave Bliss

On August 16, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported that Bliss told players to lie to investigators by indicating that Patrick Dennehy had paid for his tuition by dealing drugs.

yeah I just looked that up, I remember that now

I thought you were talking about something that happened this year for some reason, lol

oh, ha

i really have no idea what could break in this case that could make it any more than major -- sportsbybrooks' scoops almost always pan out tho

I cannot wait for the away Penn State games for, oh, the next 10 years. As much as I'm loath to reduce anything about this case to the taunting of opposing fans, I want every student from this university to be fucking embarrassed for a long time.

Insert "out protesting" in there.

Dave Bliss pulled some more nonsense post-Baylor fwiw:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Bliss

Involving other players or staff, or some other overlap with the actual stadium grounds.

xpost (speculating on new development)

I want every student from this university to be fucking embarrassed for a long time.

A few people in high places are responsible for this. Not the entire current (and future) student body. WTF? (Although, they are acting like pricks tonight.)

Also, kinda feelin' like fuck Alec Baldwin right now:

AlecBaldwin Alec Baldwin
Add Paterno's name to the list of people who exit the stage embroiled in a sex scandal. Sad.

AlecBaldwin Alec Baldwin
Oh. We have a lot of "attorneys" out there this evening.

AlecBaldwin Alec Baldwin
OK. For all your lawyers out there, molestation scandal.

AlecBaldwin Alec Baldwin
There is so little empathy in this world 2day. It's truly pathetic. I didn't say Paterno was innocent. I said that his story ....

A few people in high places are responsible for this. Not the entire current (and future) student body. WTF?

Yeah, I forgot to add that "out protesting" in my first post, hence the quick revision below it.

good call j/v/c -- it will be awesome sticking it to the *actual* rapist by loling at penn state fans forever

Yes Alec, Paterno is the one person deserving empathy out of this whole ugly fucking thing.

now go to 11

good call j/v/c -- it will be awesome sticking it to the *actual* rapist by loling at penn state fans forever

Relax dude, I was just venting about the idiots out there flipping over news vans over this.

Sorry mookieproof if the raping of kids tends to make me a little angry and frustrated, I'll work on better handling my feelings for you.

I want every student from this university to be fucking embarrassed for a long time.

You realize not every student is a child-rapist enabler, right?

jon, i think it is a sad story even from paterno's perspective -- you can think that he got what he deserved and still feel sorrow over the man's career ending in this fashion

Again, I point to the post below that amended that and added the key words about the ones out protesting. Those kids should be fucking embarrassed and I don't feel browbeaten in the least for saying so, but keep trying.

Even the ones out protesting are young and dumb and drunk and full of misguided Nittany Lion pride, many of whom have been raised from birth as Penn State and Paterno fans. Even though it's clear to the rest of the country he should be shown the door, it's gonna take them a little time to see that.

Still, rioting ain't cool. They'll be sorry they did it when it's over.

when they realize they flipped their own cars

J0rdan, yeah, I get that. I just feel like Paterno isn't the one that deserves to be painted as the victim RIGHT NOW. Like, let's revisit the man's career when this thing reaches some sort of conclusion (whatever or whenever that may be).

at this point i'm guessing the amount of people on Beaver Ave "protesting" is a small percentage.

rioting? trying to make sense of this shit? standing around watching the ruckus? sure.

Three things Generation Y will protest over:

1. Reasonable Netflix hikes
2. Blaming wall street for college debt
3. Defending child rapists

dude this is a town that rioted during an annual local arts festival, and then again two years later out of nostalgia

I'm so glad you're not a political blogger whiney

Here is a sign that was on display today

http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/1111/penn.state.campus/images/penn-state-7.jpg

whiney davis hansen

I don't think I'll ever understand college sports

I get what it means to be a passionate college football fan, but I was also constantly embarrassed by my school's mascot and was even more embarrassed by the assholes that protested when the Chief got the boot.

i guess i should feel smug that the big "protest" during my time at penn state was at least a misguided campaign (consisting of people having a sleep over at the student union) for more sensitivity classes and such after a campus politician said she got racist hate mail, rather than this kind of embarrassing identity crisis

I remember listening to a Rick & Rose podcast (the Poster Children folx) around the time that happened. They were offering up that Abe Lincoln should be the new Illini mascot and they kept saying "LLLLLLLLINCOOOOOOOOOOOOOLN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" over and over in the funniest way. xp

haha I remember that! Rick & Rose were awesome people, met them a couple times when I was down there at school

Three things Generation Y will protest over:

1. Reasonable Netflix hikes
2. Blaming wall street for college debt
3. Defending child rapists

― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:34 AM (7 minutes ago)

rmde, iatee otm

what the fuck is that dumbell underlining "PATERNONATION" in that sign

even i am genuinely smh at whiney on that one

i did that one for u, j0rd

word

whiney do you know anything about sports? (not that it matters in this case, just asking)

i know nothing about sports until someone fucks a 10 year old or makes dogs fight each other or releases a rap album

So you're clearly an authority.

so you're the comments section dude xp

we are all Nittany Lions now

signed, generation y

better bone up on my college football before i pass judgement on someone who covered up the savage rape of a child in a shower stall

savage

http://p.twimg.com/Ad3fj2vCAAA1NZD.jpg

No, everyone's welcome to an opinion on the events. This story is way bigger than Penn State's w/l record this year or whatthefuckever. I was just tailgating on mookie's question. xps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4I84Gy-cPI

comments

http://www.blackshoediaries.com/2011/11/9/2551001/penn-state-scandal-board-of-trustees-press-conference-open-thread#comments

tbf I did see one of the angry kids on espn who was really pissed about netflix losing out on criterion titles

^ quality post

http://www.youtube.com/v/C4I84Gy-cPI&fs=1&hl=en

― polyphonic, Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:57 AM (13 seconds ago) Bookmark

lotta ppl are gonna get arrested/sued off this video

I've had this thought several times today

Far from the first time I’ve worried about this, but this incident really hit home that this country has now come closer to the French Revolution than our own.

by bubba0077 on Nov 9, 2011 10:06 PM EST

He then heard rhythmic, slapping sounds. He believed the sounds to be those of sexual activity. As the graduate assistant put his sneakers in his locker, he looked in the shower. He saw a naked boy ... whose age he estimated to be ten years old, with his hands up against the wall, being subjected to anal intercourse by a naked Sandusky.

https://p.twimg.com/Ad3T5I4CMAIJlwO.jpg

tell us more about occupy wall st

better bone up on my college football before i pass judgement on someone who covered up the savage rape of a child in a shower stall

― Youth Ya Goon (Whiney G. Weingarten)

ya then you might pass as somebody who was in this thread for a reason and had something interesting to say instead of someone who is reacting to something they just read about on yahoo news w/ zero knowledge of / appreciation for the context

xp = eh, not really, the only faces you can make out are the ones watching

Oh c'mon iatee, you know I'm the last to ever back up whiney, but you don't really need to have an extensive knowledge of college football to be pissed off about this.

I appreciate the context of rape all the goddamn time

If the University wants to draw a line between Penn State and Joe Paterno,

You’ll find me on Joe’s side.

by newenglandnittanylion on Nov 9, 2011 10:18 PM EST reply actions 12 recs

understanding who joe paterno is and what he means to penn state fratbros is an important part of understanding why those fratbros might show up on campus in a weird 'we are bummed about this' protest

glwt newenglandnittanylion

They caved. Bastards caved instead of doing what is right.

by CvilleLion on Nov 9, 2011 10:21 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

this is about joe paterno being fired btw

def want to interest myself in what means alot to fratboys

fratboys vs hipsters

which is why i flipped a news van when dave matthews was fined for dumping shit from his tour bus

no you're right it's prob better to keep giving people your opinions on shit you don't know anything about, I guess it's gotten you pretty far

It would appear to be the rare case of a pedophile caught in the act, and you’d think a graduate student would know enough to stop the rape and call the police. But McQueary, who was 28 years old at the time, was a serf in the powerfully paternal Paternoland. According to the report, he called his dad, went home and then the next day went to the coach’s house to tell him.

“I don’t even have words to talk about the betrayal that I feel,” the mother of one of Sandusky’s alleged victims told The Harrisburg Patriot-News, adding about McQueary: “He ran and called his daddy?”

this is from maureen dowd's otm column about the scandal, and it's the thing that is craziest to me about this story, too. i know, i know, powerful men hide their sins, but to actually walk in on a child being raped and run away. i think dowd is right about the ingrained sense of hierarchy but it's still insane.

no you're right, i really should know the nuances of college football before having opinions on child rape

People on ILX will argue with each other even when everyone is in complete agreement about the subject. Really incredible.

imo it's fine that Whiney has an opinion on the facts of the story. I think everyone in the country does now. As for not getting why lifelong fans might err on the side of bad judgement this particular night, perhaps Whiney should take the context we're offering and not just be a smartass about it all.

horseshoe otm--there is something so perfect about him calling his dad, too

i mean "perfect" not perfect but

we were just making fun of him for his OWS comment, obviously we all have the same opinion on the joe pa shit

"As for not getting why lifelong fans might err on the side of bad judgement this particular night,"

Is this just you being glib or...

hahaha whiney equating the idiots rioting over this dude getting fired w/ ows is just n/l trolling

Glib is my middle name.

this is from maureen dowd's otm column about the scandal, and it's the thing that is craziest to me about this story, too. i know, i know, powerful men hide their sins, but to actually walk in on a child being raped and run away. i think dowd is right about the ingrained sense of hierarchy but it's still insane.

if i actually witnessed a rape i'd imagine the rapist probably had some sort of weapon with him, but uhhh yeah if its in the shower

so yeah, this guy is most likely a coward, but he's not really the enemy here

i didn't say he was the enemy i said his failure to stop the rape is mindboggling. btw no testimony that sandusky had a weapon; i think as a grown man he probably had a number of ways including sheer size to coerce a 10 year old.

but now i'll say it: fuck mike mcqueary

I've been known to (irl) seek out confrontation, despite my general aloofness and laid back nature in general. I would absolutely intervene in that situation, probably violently if necessary.

eg 'so you wanna play for linebacker u' xp

i am not known to (irl) seek out confrontation, but jeez

Should I say "general" again? I feel like I didn't cram it in there enough.

i didn't say he was the enemy i said his failure to stop the rape is mindboggling. btw no testimony that sandusky had a weapon; i think as a grown man he probably had a number of ways including sheer size to coerce a 10 year old.

well not you but i'm reading this over and over, "it's all mcqueary's fault, how many kids would have been saved had he stepped in" - I don't think he had a weapon either, but I can see someone thinking that

oh, i wasn't bitching at you, sorry

yeah i'm...really uncomfortable demonizing the witness here, ideally he should have done more but as others have said it's hard to realistically expect any old person to be a hero in that situation; he reported the incident and the bigger fuckup is with his superiors

i haven't read a whole lot on this dude in particular (and i...tend to avoid maureen dowd) but yeah when nothing happened after he reported it that would have been the time to take some action

dowd's point was not that it was all mcqueary's fault, her point was that the culture of penn state's football team is fucked up, a point everyone itt agrees with. i know maureen dowd can be ridiculous, but she's good at this kind of thing.

first they came for reed hastings, then they came for joepa

i guess i shouldn't have said fuck mcqueary but i honestly find his inaction insane and i work with kids and i guess i freaked out a little. that wasn't dowd, though; that was me. don't think stopping the rape of a child takes a special person, honestly. if he was scared he could have called the fucking police he was 28 years old at the time.

He should have just called the police right away but I don't see how anyone can expect him to just charge in to that fucked up situation. I probably would have thrown up.

yeah -- i mean the janitor, who walked in on sandusky and a kid, and who had literally killed people in the vietnam war pretty much had the same reaction -- immediately left, was just incredibly sick and in shock -- idk i find it hard to pass judgement in that situation

and didn't the janitor later suffer serious mental health problems?

I think joe paterno is a really good pick for death poll 2012, these people always die as soon as they retire

^^i was talking about that w/ a friend of mine

I really do hope Bobby Bowden outlives him. VICTORY IS HIS!

it really makes me not want to retire

i think there's a kind of psychic defense at work that sometimes prevents people from intervening in those kinds of situations (sadly). i think, even, that people feel a kind of shame about witnessing it.

this fact isn't entirely clear to me -- was sandusky employed by penn state in any capacity at time of 2002 shower incident?

no

but befitting the status of a legend of the program he had access to the building

he resigned in '98 but was a fully entitled bro of the program

so action expected was simple call to police, not done by staff/admin/paterno because of concern that a former DC being a pedophile would harm their reputation more than the ultimate revelation of a cover-up of such pedophilia?

or is outrage at presumed knowledge that he was doing this all along?

so action expected was simple call to police, not done by staff/admin/paterno because of concern that a former DC being a pedophile would harm their reputation more than the ultimate revelation of a cover-up of such pedophilia?

― thistle supporter (mcoll), Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:59 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

not exactly -- they did inform the "head of police" (who also has a position w/ the university? this part is sort of unclear to me. but "the police" is not a separate institution of the univ in this case).

this is just speculation on my part but i don't think that anyone involved at the top truly understood the scope (both in the graphic nature of the acts and the sheer number of kids) of what sandusky was doing, and thus thought that they would be able to sweep it away. obviously they never thought it was going to get out, but yeah it's obviously not a scandal that they wanted to deal with.

or is outrage at presumed knowledge that he was doing this all along?

― thistle supporter (mcoll), Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:00 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

but there is also outrage over this, yes -- there was "knowledge", regardless of how vague

this is just speculation on my part but i don't think that anyone involved at the top truly understood the scope (both in the graphic nature of the acts and the sheer number of kids) of what sandusky was doing

? mcqueary told paterno about the rape the day after it happened. or do you mean before 2002?

xpost cool thx. obvi not a fan of pedophilia but tough to parse legit issues here from OMG SOMEONE AT PENN STATE TOUCHED LITTLE BOYS EVERYONE THERE IS AN EVIL EX-JOCK

i'm still not 100% convinced that mcqueary literally told paterno "he was raping him anally" -- my reading of the indictment at least seems to indicate that the grand jury agreed that mcqueary was vague about the details of that exact incident when talking with paterno

which i don't think excuses paterno or anyone above him, but i think it would explain why they stupidly thought they could get away with brushing this under the rug

ugh now i'm reading the indictment but i'm not sure i'm going to make it, so i'll just say that i guess paterno's account of what he was told in 2002 has been disputed:

In explaining his actions, Mr. Paterno has publicly said he was not told of the graphic nature of a suspected 2002 assault by Jerry Sandusky, a former assistant, of a young boy in the football building’s showers. Mr. Paterno said the graduate assistant who reported the assault, Mike McQueary, said only that something disturbing had happened that was perhaps sexual in nature.

But on Tuesday, a person with knowledge of Mr. McQueary’s version of events called Mr. Paterno’s claim into question. The person said Mr. McQueary had told those in authority the explicit details of what he saw, including in his face-to-face meeting with Mr. Paterno the day after the incident.

from this article

On a side note reading abt this one question has repeatedly come to mind: is penn state a cult

welcome to major college football

welcome to sports

It seems like even more intense than other places tho no, like genuinely p creepy and weird

nah

reaction would be same or worse if this had happened at any number of SEC schools

Is the power in those olde tyme helmets, u stare into them

is penn state a cult

It's a town with a serious underage drinking problem where football is king

I'm from the town and even I'm tempted to assume I was secretly living in Big Black's "Jordan, Minnesota," but sadly I think the hierarchies that could allow something like this are far more common and mundane than that.

Raider jacket dollars
Got the White Sox wearin Black
Statues of Joe Paterno
Sold in gift shops at Penn State

http://www.plyrics.com/lyrics/jellobiafra/mascotmania.html

I mean really.

Just before midnight police lost control of the crowd. Chanting, “Tip the van,” they toppled the news vehicle and then brought down a nearby lamppost. When police opened up with spray, some in the crowd responded by hurling rocks, cans of soda and flares. They also tore down street signs, tipped over trashcans and newspaper vending boxes and shattered car windows.

Some students noted the irony that they had come out to oppose what they saw as a disgraceful end to Mr. Paterno’s distinguished career as a football coach, and then added to the ignobility of the episode by starting an unruly protest.

Greg Becker, 19, a freshman studying computer science, said he felt he had to vent his feelings anyway.

“This definitely looks bad for our school,” he said sprinting away from a cloud of spray. “I’m sure Joe Pa wouldn’t want this, but this is just an uproar now, we’re finding a way to express our anger.”

As the crowd got more aggressive, so did police officers. Some protesters fought back. One man in gas mask rushed a half dozen police officers in protective gear, blasted one officer with spray underneath his safety mask and then sprinted away. The officer lay on the ground, rubbing his eyes.

Paul Howard, 24, an aerospace engineering student, jeered the police.

“Of course we’re going to riot,” he said. “What do they expect when they tell us at 10 o’clock that they fired our football coach?”

can't wait for him to design future aeroplanes

took this from edsbs but its too good

If this riot picks up, JoePa might have to hightail it on out of there
http://www.sfgate.com/blogs/images/sfgate/parenting/2009/06/03/up_house_movie495x264.JPG

“This definitely looks bad for our school,” he said sprinting away from a cloud of spray.

pretty impressive journalistic effort to get a quote mid-sprint

#occupyjoepa

from elsewhere:

Madden: Rumor that Sandusky and Second Mile Foundation were pimping out young boys to prominent donors. He says it's being investigated by two prominent reporters.

Also mentions that he's confident that Sandusky was forced to retire in return for a cover-up.

This could be the rumor that SPORTSbyBROOKS was referring to.

Rumor that Sandusky and Second Mile Foundation were pimping out young boys to prominent donors.

fucking hell

!!!!!!
just when I was thinking the whole thing was as bad as it gets

"Rumor that Sandusky and Second Mile Foundation were pimping out young boys to prominent donors."

And suddenly this whole thing turns into a David Peace novel.

what the hell

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y31/Fredcat/Various/Nuke-NukeTheSiteFromOrbitItsTheOnly.jpg

http://www.thesecondmile.org/pdf/AnnualReport2010.pdf

Here's the 2010 annual report. Anyone want to run the $50,000+ donors against lists of known pederasts?

god i hope this rumor isn't true

imagine if matt millen was mixed up in this

It would make his tearful ESPN thing from a couple of days ago really weird.

!!!!!!
just when I was thinking the whole thing was as bad as it gets

― pandemic, Thursday, November 10, 2011 8:46 AM (47 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Srsly my god

well this is all still at the rumor stage, we probably shouldn't start thinking of it as Caligula State yet

tho admittedly it's a horrifying rumor

I will say the coinciding of his retirement with the first investigation is suspicious, but could have been a personal decision to evade the limelight.

esp suspicious considering he retired despite being so much younger than paterno. on his rep he could have easily grabbed a head coach position somewhere else.

so action expected was simple call to police, not done by staff/admin/paterno because of concern that a former DC being a pedophile would harm their reputation more than the ultimate revelation of a cover-up of such pedophilia?

well i don't think they were planning for this to get brought to light. who knows what goes through the mind of a guy in his 70's when it comes to cover-ups?

Ashton Kutcher was forced into an embarrassing climbdown after tweeting that the sacking of Joe Paterno showed 'no class' and was an 'insult' to his legacy.

At about 12.30am this morning, he wrote on his official account: 'How do you fire Jo Pa? #insult #noclass as a hawkeye [the University of Iowa football team] fan I find it in poor taste.'

. . . Many tweeters pointed out that Kutcher, together with his wife Demi Moore, founded the the DNA Foundation, which specifically aims to 'end child sex slavery'.

Justin Stangel wrote: 'Tell me if I’m right - You're against child trafficking unless it's with college football staff.'

Billyontheradio added: 'Wait, didnt u cheat on your wife on your ANNIVERSARY!? Yeah, ur an expert on CLASS!'

Miles Kahn made reference to his comedic predecessor: 'So that's how you make Sheen look good', with Nick Youssef mocking: 'Being the lead on 2 1/2 Men DOES make you crazy!'

Many simply labelled Kutcher an idiot for his view. After the barrage of complaints, Kutcher deleted the tweet and recanted his stance.

'This is an insane story, I just heard paterno was fired, getting the rest of the story now... Wow,' he wrote. He added: 'Heard Joe was fired, fully recant previous tweet! Didn't have full story. #admitwhenYoumakemistakes

esp suspicious considering he retired despite being so much younger than paterno. on his rep he could have easily grabbed a head coach position somewhere else.

yeah I remember thinking this at the time but figured that maybe coaching jobs were just too high-stress and that some people might just not want them? this gets worse no matter what angle you look at it

okay lol @ Ahston

I wish I could see Ashton's reaction when he found out there were multiple counts of child rape involved

We just learned that a new neighbor, who happens to be my wife's longtime car mechanic, has a conviction for sexually assaulting his teenage daughter's best friend. We're completely horrified.

Our neighborhood does have a few convicted sex offenders and I check the registry regularly to see if they're compliant and if there are any new ones.

It's so maddening how insanely pervasive sexual abuse is. It's impossible for me to imagine even one person making the decision to sexually abuse a child. But there are thousands upon thousands who have been caught. And if there are thousands who have been caught, how many people are out there who just get away with it? It's this kind of thing that gets me peeking out the window through my curtains with a knife in my teeth.

that ashton thing is amazing

. . . Many tweeters pointed out that Kutcher, together with his wife Demi Moore, founded the the DNA Foundation, which specifically aims to 'end child sex slavery'.

Justin Stangel wrote: 'Tell me if I’m right - You're against child trafficking unless it's with college football staff.'

this is where I really lost it

i appreciate ashton's whoopsie for giving some context to a bunch of drunken college students who don't run child trafficking awareness charities missing the big picture too

Cain/Stangel 2012

yeah for a major, major scandal this isn't getting a whole lot of press (compared to, say, the Vick thing)

my wife is generally pretty on top of things but when she saw me watching the report on Sportscenter, she was just like "huh? why would they fire him if he's been coaching that long??"

blindly parochial sports fans are the most disgusting savages

destroy sports forever

that's weird, even nonsports ppl I know seem fully aware of it.

xxp

yeah for a major, major scandal this isn't getting a whole lot of press (compared to, say, the Vick thing)

It currently has an entire subsection on the front page of CNN.com

Right beneath the rolling "complete collapse of the world economy" spot.

Our neighborhood does have a few convicted sex offenders and I check the registry regularly to see if they're compliant and if there are any new ones.

I need to do that more often. A couple years back, I checked the registry and saw a parent of one of my son's classmates, as well as someone who LIVED NEXT DOOR TO ME when I was a teenager.

#admitwhenYoumakemistakes #capitaliseifYouconsiderYourselfGod

It currently has an entire subsection on the front page of CNN.com

which takes up like maybe a half a percent of the page

Sex offender registry is p disturbing reading

it's getting crazy press (at least it feels that way to someone not used to seeing his hometown in the news), but the circles of "people who know joe pa was fired" and "people who've heard about jerry sandusky" won't be identical. It's all happening so fast that the awareness will be gradual.

xp

Yeah, reading it is pretty no bueno, but it's due diligence.

there should be a social media app that identifies sex offenders in among your fb & twitter contacts

Of course we’re going to riot,” he said. “What do they expect when they tell us at 10 o’clock that they fired our football coach?”

― lumber up, limbaugh down (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, November 10, 2011 7:52 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Students rioted to end Vietnam, for civil rights, bombing in Cambodia etc. Now they riot because an accessory to rampant pedophilia has been fired. If i were in State College I'd be rioting to protest the fact Paterno and Mc Queary aren't locked up. Good news for McQueary, i hear they really like redheads in prison.

In other news, someone owes Jim Tressel a huge apology. Come back Jim, what you did was nothing.

Brett Ratner's giving a sigh of relief.

CU students rioted in boulder over chages to the universitys underage drinking policy iirc

Good news for McQueary, i hear they really like redheads in prison.

ladies and gentlemen, bill magill!

CU students rioted in boulder over chages to the universitys underage drinking policy iirc

― ice cr?m, Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:06 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

This one I may be down with.

Madden: Rumor that Sandusky and Second Mile Foundation were pimping out young boys to prominent donors. He says it's being investigated by two prominent reporters.

Also mentions that he's confident that Sandusky was forced to retire in return for a cover-up.

This could be the rumor that SPORTSbyBROOKS was referring to.

fuckin hell

otm, sounds like a david peace novel at this point.

why did sandusky get bail?

the local paper has the joe pa rally number at 2,000. There are more than 40,000 students on campus. It's still embarrassing and ridiculous, but it's wrong to assume the majority of students put football over sex crimes. (Though I'm now waiting for a poll to reveal that fact.)

University of Maryland students have rioted on the occasion of both winning and losing a basketball game.

This whole story just gets more stomach turning.

I never thought there would be a more horrible person in college football than Rich Rodriguez until this week.

it's getting crazy press (at least it feels that way to someone not used to seeing his hometown in the news), but the circles of "people who know joe pa was fired" and "people who've heard about jerry sandusky" won't be identical. It's all happening so fast that the awareness will be gradual.

well "Paterno fired" shouldn't be the big story. on ESPN yesterday (before the firing) their big story was that he plans to retire after this season amidst a "sex scandal", blablabla

i remember ppl nearly rioting @ uconn when they ran out of free midnight madness tshirts

the local paper has the joe pa rally number at 2,000. There are more than 40,000 students on campus. It's still embarrassing and ridiculous, but it's wrong to assume the majority of students put football over sex crimes. (Though I'm now waiting for a poll to reveal that fact.)

― da croupier, Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:11 AM (11 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Feel like 5% is p good turn out for a riot

I never thought there would be a more horrible person in college football than Rich Rodriguez until this week.

― bouquet beatdown (Nicole), Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:12 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Oh Rodriguez is a saint compared to Paterno.... maybe the wrong choice of words

George Carlin had a point about how football inspires uniquely martial attitudes and associations. (tho in some quarters I can see hoops doing same)

And baseball

Nah, baseball riots only involve disco music and/or cheap beer.

reaction would be same or worse if this had happened at any number of SEC schools

― J0rdan S., Thursday, November 10, 2011 3:02 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark

gotta disagree about this. maybe saban. the cult of paterno is a pretty singular 'thing' in college football, i cant really fault some 19-year olds for being indoctrinated into viewing him as a living god

thats true but I think there's a difference between college and pro - fans aren't really afraid to turn on someone in pro sports, but I think people feel a much deeper connection in college (plus, most of their fans are 20-something idiots)

i don't buy the assumption that people don't know why paterno was fired; they just don't care.

"dude did you hear? they fuckin' fired paterno"
"wtf dude, why?"
"idk, something abt conspiracy to conceal multiple sex crimes against minors or some shit"
"DUDE, that is SUCH BULLSHIT" *tips over news van*

In a parallel universe, going to class might be a nice distraction, to get her mind off the chaos surrounding the arrest of the man accused of molesting her brother.

But not as a junior at Penn State, where students are making jokes about being “Sanduskied.”

“I can’t escape it,” said the junior, whose brother was allegedly molested in a shower by former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky when he was 11.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sister_of_sandusky_victim_talk.html

Same kind of situation would happen under similar circumstances in Green Bay, WI, don't you think?

i think, if that rumor turns out to be true, i need to avoid the local news stations for about oh a month or so.

In a parallel universe, going to class might be a nice distraction, to get her mind off the chaos surrounding the arrest of the man accused of molesting her brother.

But not as a junior at Penn State, where students are making jokes about being “Sanduskied.”

“I can’t escape it,” said the junior, whose brother was allegedly molested in a shower by former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky when he was 11.

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index.ssf/2011/11/sister_of_sandusky_victim_talk.html

― AARP Rocky (Andy K), Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:24 AM (10 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I was kind of wondering if the kid was now a student at Penn State. Or on the team...

icey, 'no one' (in the demographic terms that matter) gives a flying shit about college baseball. And when a coach/manager is fired in that sport, 90% of fans say "about time."

Same kind of situation would happen under similar circumstances in Green Bay, WI, don't you think?

uh, no

Riotous, drunken idiots and criminally self-protective hierarchies exist all over the place. what makes state college so novel is how little else in the area has any cultural presence.

Bill Plaschke! Always the best at taking points that a lot of people would agree with on some level or another and making himself to be a yawping village idiot.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke-paterno-fired-20111110,0,5860417.column

Meanwhile, as noted by a former resident, keep an eye out for Tweets like these:

Iam_C3 Carl E. Jones III
Ok yes Joe Paternity getting fired is sad however they had to do what they had to do.

SkinnyBoiIdoIt Keenan Wilson
How u gonna fire Joe Paternity? The guy that made Penn State what it is today.

HarrietCammock Harriet Cammock
Joe Paternity is fired as head coach @ Penn State. His storied legacy is damaged from a deficit in reporting child sex abuse

there should be a social media app that identifies sex offenders in among your fb & twitter contacts

google+ puts them all in a circle for you

omg @ "Joe Paternity"

autocorrect is a thing of beauty

there should be a social media app that identifies sex offenders in among your fb & twitter contacts

google+ puts them all in a circle for you

So . . . many . . . jokes . . .

It feels weird trying to explain how this is the most logical riot in Penn State history. The unceremonious firing of a footbal town's legendary head coach over more than forty years, the most winningest coach in college football history, due to his not doing enough reporting of a sex crime. While I want heads to roll, chickens to come home to roost, can't believe they're still going forward with the next game, etc., students going apeshit over such a mindboggling destruction of reputation makes more sense than going ape shit over a victory, or an annual local arts festival.

I know he's had championship teams, but being "winningest" is easier when you cling to power with a deathgrip for 46 years (hey, almost as long as J Edgar was the head Fed).

true, but according to Wikipedia the only person who had a higher winning percentage is George Hoskins, who only was head coach for 4 seasons; that's a pretty impressive feat ESP. when you consider it was over 46 years

i probably shouldn't say "penn state history," though if there was some proud '60s moment where the nittany lions rioted for a good cause, that failed to make the town narrative.

and having spent half my life being unimpressed with penn state football and feeling superior to the rabble (i moved to town at 15, lived there for about a decade through high school, college and some post-collegiate ennui before finally splitting for philly), I'm not asking anyone to be impressed by "winningest" or whatever. i'm just giving context.

Sorry croupier, those students should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. I would be unbelievably embarrassed to be a Penn State alum or parent of a Penn State parent today.

If i get a Penn State resume, it's going right in the trash can. Fuck them.

can't believe they're still going forward with the next game

Two to one says this doesn't happen.

xpost do you realize the irony of reacting so emotionally to this display of confused emotion?

Forfeiting the rest of the season seems the only classy thing to do, which is why I can't envision it.

parent of a Penn State parent today.

what level of connection is far enough removed

i don't think you have to worry about anyone remotely connected to penn state not being embarrassed right now.

parent of a Penn State parent today.

^meant to say student

If they forfeit the rest of the season, then you will really see trouble in State College.

Bill Plaschke! Always the best at taking points that a lot of people would agree with on some level or another and making himself to be a yawping village idiot.

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-plaschke-paterno-fired-20111110,0,5860417.column

comments section:

Inevitably Plashke will rot in hell alongside Jerry Sandusly.

"As university presidents throughout the country view the steaming pile of rubble that was once college football's greatest coach and its most admired program"

He may have the most wins ever, but I would never say that Paterno was "college football's greatest coach". I could probably come up with 20 that were better.

Plus he runs with pedophiles.

edgy new remake of "Dances With Wolves"

Just read a friend's first hand account of the riot. While acknowledging she was only dealing with a sample, she said people were surprisingly sober and contemplative, and that things didn't get crazy until the lamp got knocked down. Most common chant was "FUCK SANDUSKY!" A lot of rubbernecking and gawking before the pepper spray came out.

I'm curious how different this would have been if the firing had been announced during the day.

yeah i was a little confused as to why they didn't just wait until this morning. i guess they wanted it out there, pr-wise, as quickly as possible. but it's not as if another 12 hours would have meant much considering how long they'd dragged their feet.

More deets on this morning's rumor:
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ycn-10407023

Potentially involved donors to Penn State, not Second Mile.

jesus christ

oh christ

jesus it's like david peace is writing this

fucking hell

(just discovered sandusky's book @ amazon, yowza)

ncaa also looking to see if penn st violated any ncaa rules

Madden was on local radio today and specifically said he meant Second Mile donors, not Penn State

'donors'

One other piece, about the guy who was Centre County DA in 1998:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/09/sports/ncaafootball/questions-on-sandusky-wrapped-in-2005-gricar-mystery.html?_r=1

A commenter over at Sullivan:

Beyond the cover-ups by the administration, the coaching staff, the fucking janitorial crews, there is this: "Victim 7... was contacted by Sandusky and separately by Sandusky's wife... in the weeks prior to Victim 7's appearance before the Grand Jury."

Look, I understand not wanting to believe that someone you love could be this kind of monster. The urge to fight such a characterization makes total sense. But for Sandusky's wife to call one of the (admittedly, alleged) victims of her husband's physical and emotional abuse in order to... what, manipulate him into not talking? Threaten him? Beg him not to tell the truth to the Grand Jury? What was the point of such a phone call?

Another one found this SI story on Sandusky from 1982:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1126185/1/index.htm

RIP nittany lions.

i'd totally forgotten about the gricar disappearance before people started pointing at him for the shutdown of the 1998 investigation.

xpost let's not forget Clarence Thomas' wife calling Anita Hill just a year or so ago

The Gricar thing really makes me wonder the most about this. All the David Peace comparisons are making more and more sense.

Oh WELL done:

Mike McQueary, one of the central figures in the burgeoning child sex abuse scandal at Penn State, will remain receivers coach Saturday when the Nittany Lions play their final home game of the season.

I bet his father operated a hot dog stand.

I'd hope that the long-road effect of this could be Penn State being forced to find an identity less circled around football (they're lucky they're also one of the Public Ivys), but following massive budget cuts, it's impossible to say how big the collateral damage could be.

kinda lol mostly etc:

The National Football Foundation is withdrawing an award that it was to present to Penn State Athletic Director Tim Curley.

The NFF announced Wednesday that the John L. Toner award, given to an athletic director who has shown "outstanding dedication to college athletics and particularly college football," will not be presented at its award ceremony in December. The organization says there will be no winner for this year.

I already posted this in the ILNFL thread, but:

At the school's on-campus Berkey Creamery, the Sandusky Blitz ice cream flavor (banana and chocolate) was removed from the menu after the weekend's revelations. Peachy Paterno remained on the menu, at least for the time being.

girl i went to HS with who went to penn state just changed her FB profile picture to a banner that says WE ARE PENN STATE

Today has been a day of difficult-to-believe revelations for me, so forgive me for asking, but really? Banana and chocolate?

Yeah, that...yeah.

girl i went to HS with who went to penn state just changed her FB profile picture to a banner that says WE ARE PENN STATE

Truly a 1%.

Mike McQueary, one of the central figures in the burgeoning child sex abuse scandal at Penn State, will remain receivers coach Saturday when the Nittany Lions play their final home game of the season.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:01 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark

ppl are speculating that there might be legal issues preventing them from firing him

bcuz i guess he technically didn't do anything wrong, in terms of by the book procedure. so if they fire him he might sue & yada yada etc

Then tell the guy to take a break that day. He has earned himself some sick leave, clearly.

i was not aware that the second mile was nearly 30 years old -- the mind can't help but reel at the potential number of victims that were reaped through the years. jesus christ.

he coached al bundy in the 70s? wonder what al thinks of the guy.

i find it hard to believe that they will play the game, seems like it would be a complete shit show

Then tell the guy to take a break that day. He has earned himself some sick leave, clearly.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:12 PM (37 seconds ago) Bookmark

well yeah he should certainly recuse himself. i have no idea what he's thinking.

i find it hard to believe that they will play the game, seems like it would be a complete shit show

― Mr. Que, Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:13 PM (7 seconds ago) Bookmark

i was arguing w/ my friend about this last night -- unfortunately i'm not sure if the football powers that be would allow the game to be outright cancelled, but i think it might be best if they postponed it a few weeks

NYT profile of McQueary:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/10/sports/ncaafootball/aspiring-coach-in-middle-of-colleges-scandal.html?_r=1

wonder if SVU producers have called Jerry Stiller yet

looooooooool

(just discovered sandusky's book @ amazon, yowza)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ZXRXMOp7L._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg

a perfect storm of terrible

sandusky had six adopted kids AND took in foster kids. and had a charity for at risk kids. and coached kids. and had summer football camps for kids. surpised he didn't open a theme park.

or take Webster to the Oscars.

you can read a ton of it on google books

shit, i think you can actually read the whole thing

or take Webster to the Oscars.

well played

I'm sorry, I am still recovering from "chocolate and banana ice cream"

Movie version of this has a passive-aggressive manager of the ice-cream parlor who picked the flavors and gives Sandusky a hard glare every time the guy went in the store.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVZW5kH2dfI

I mean, ice-cream parlor near campus had to have been a regular spot for Sandusky, no?

sandusky had six adopted kids AND took in foster kids.

all boys?

I think probably we'll find that there were a limited number of victims beyond the 8 kids. After reading the grand jury indictment it's clear that investigators tried to find all the victims they could by talking to as many people as they could who were involved with the charity & university. Most of the victims were brought to investigators' attention by other victims. There may be some who weren't willing to come forward but the idea that there were dozens & dozens of victims & these are only 8 of them, to my mind isn't credible.
That said, I really wonder about Sandusky's kids (a couple of whom are now coaches in their own right). This is the kind of stuff that gets passed down generation to generation.

I don't understand how you can make that assumption, I guess.

I thought that the number who've come forward at this point was hovering around 20?

ONLY 8

like wtf dude

I get the anger directed at McQueary for not intervening but jeez. I say this as someone who actually has witnessed a crime involving a boss's boss and called the cops, and I honestly have no idea what I would have done in his shoes. Probably curled up in a ball in the film room and made keening sounds.

or made rhythmic, slapping sounds

too soon

premature

too soon xpost

omg dayo

ugh, i don't know how ANYONE can confidently assume "only 8 victims" (wtf) as this sort of predatory sexual behavior is not something ppl just develop later in life, and given he's had direct access to and authority over young boys for how many years?

Weeks went by during which McQueary knew the police hadn't gotten involved. Even if he panicked and froze while witnessing the act itself he could have reported a crime the next day, or the day after, or the day after that.

yeah we're not really arguing that point

For at least the last decade Joe Paterno was rather morbidly fixated on his legacy as the winningest coach in college football history. For five years ILX has had a thread titled: Joe Paterno. Before this week, it had a total of 4 posts. As of today, it has more than 540 posts - all about child molestation. Mr. Paterno, enjoy your legacy.

uhhh this isn't really a college sports forum

Sports fans don't own Paterno's legacy.

Stay classy, Joe Sestak

well sure, to the casual american who wouldn't know penn state from pitt, paterno's legacy is going to be for covering up child rape. but if sports fans don't own paterno's legacy, than maybe there's no such thing as having a singular legacy.

poor guy doesn't understand the concepts "investigation" and "due process" so i'm sure he's an excellent congressman

xxxp they kinda do, that's like saying Favre is going to be remembered for his dongslinging rather than his accomplishments on the field because non-sports fans don't really care about them

so what you guys are saying is that different people might have different perspectives? crazy.

p sure favre will be largely remembered as the guy who didn't know when to quit

Or that OJ will better known for killing his wife than playing for the Buffalo Bills.

OJ Simpson, star of the Naked Gun franchise

its kinda strange to be talking about his legacy on like, the day he gets fired, while details are still coming out.

ONLY 8

― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:47 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink
like wtf dude

― The Uncanny Frankie Valley (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, November 10, 2011 1:47 PM (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

WRONG. its over 20. only 8 in the indictment

OJ will always be the star of the prank show "Juiced" in my eyes.

in the long-run of human history people will barely remember what football was and joe paterno will be just another historical footnote

Or that OJ will better known for killing his wife than playing for the Buffalo Bills.

this is definitely true especially given how crazy the media was over this, but straight up murdering someone is a little more outrageous than being someone who wound up being one of many to cover up a horrible crime

I remember him as the guy who has dedicated his life to finding the real killers. i wonder how that's going?

xxpost

Frogbs, if you dont think this is Paterno's legacy, you are fucking nuts.

I will always remember Brett Favre as that guy at the end of There's Something About Mary

in the long-run of human history people will barely remember what football was and joe paterno will be just another historical footnote

also this

hard to find the real killers when you're in jail, Bill

kind of a short run of human history yet to go, but don't mind me.

I just imagine 1500 years from now, when our Martian descendents are taking Earth History and this century ends up being a unit on Snookie

it will be about cats imo

hey btw any media outlets describing this as a "sex scandal" need to fucking correct themselves imfho

sexual abuse =/= sex

You do realize that not everyone who's molested as a young child tells other people, right? So saying "oh there's probably not that many more" is just... smh

hard to find the real killers when you're in jail, Bill

― sex-poodle Al Gore (DJP), Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:14 PM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

It may not have been a good one, but it was a joke.

a few days ago I was in someone's kitchen, the tv was on the background in the other room, and they had a segment on this, and we swore the intro to it was a reporter saying "A sexy new scandal rocks the college sports world" we both ran to the other room to rewind it and make sure that's what the lady said, but it was her slurring "a sex abuse scandal,.." etc

friend who's staff at penn st. is getting inundated by emails by the school telling everyone to not talk to the media

do these emails end: "or else..." with the sender drawing his index finger across his throat, while grinning horribly and making a strangled noise, something like "sskrrrk"?

ile straw poll: should penn state cancel the game this weekend y/n?

this is their last home game of the year (so last home game for a couple dozen seniors). assume the game cannot be postponed, or if it was postponed it would not be played in state college but in some far-off neutral site or something.

they should cancel the whole university

kind of want to post one of the emails up here, ah what the hell

Dear Colleagues,

If you wander anywhere on campus – esp. along College Avenue – you will find tv and print reporters. I’ve gotten several emails from NBC and ABC asking me for comments on the “Penn State situation.” I decline all such requests, and I’d ask you to do so as well. Staff should not have to be in the position of addressing media and similar inquiries related to the events of this week. If approached, or if you receive requests by email or phone, please respond that "all inquiries are to be directed to the Department of Public Information

imo they should cancel central penn. and cede it to the amish

give philly to new jersey and pittsburgh to ohio and let the amish and the tweakers fight over the rest

It may not have been a good one, but it was a joke.

I know, was giving you bad joke in return!

SASBMJ Marcus Jordan
Penn St did Paterno bogus... At least let him coach one more game! But it wont happen.. #messedup

Did Michael Jordan's son learn nothing from Ashton smh

i think they should probably postpone it... it's gonna be really humiliating for the univ and the victims to have a de facto 100k person "WE ARE ALL JOE PATERNO" rally. but from a football standpoint the game knida needs to be played, which is why i don't think it's going to get cancelled outright.

How to pronounce Nittany.

give philly to new jersey

fuck u.

actually just incorporate it into camden

all large cities should be their own states

It may not have been a good one, but it was a joke.

I know, was giving you bad joke in return!

― sex-poodle Al Gore (DJP), Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:42 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I think we both succeeded!

Here is Ian O'Connor, who I usually hate, summing up how I feel pretty well. He nukes Paterno. Read carefully, frogsbs:

http://espn.go.com/new-york/ncf/story/_/id/7214855/former-penn-state-coach-joe-paterno-deserve-sympathy-losing-job

all large cities should be their own states

― iatee, Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:52 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

We'd have to admit new slave states carve up Texas or something as part of this.

where did I say that I feel sorry for him? god, I was pissed off that he was even allowed to say he's going to retire at season's end. is this the first thing people are going to think of 20 years from now when Paterno's name is mentioned? that he participated in a horrible cover-up? history tends to remember people for what they did rather than what they didn't do (in this case, go to the police). if he was involved in any way other than his silence, I would agree with you.

first they came for the Paternos, something something holocaust

@MarkMaddenX Mark Madden
McQ dad a key. He was there when McQ talked to Joe. Knows exactly what was said. Cud catch Joe in perjury. Wont let son cover 4 Joe.

now they're dragging poor innocent cows into this

hahahahahaha

Bill OTM throughout

#nukestatecollege

otm-ing bill magill in any circumstance should earn you 15 automatic sbs imo

is this the first thing people are going to think of 20 years from now when Paterno's name is mentioned?

^yes. the first thing i think of when woody hayes name is mentioned is that he punched an opposing player on the sideline. That was 33 years ago. This is WAYYYYYYYYYYYYY worse than that.

otm-ing bill magill in any circumstance should earn you 15 automatic sbs imo

― J0rdan S., Thursday, November 10, 2011 3:10 PM (8 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Thanks!

How to pronounce Nittany.

― kashi west: late vegetarian (rustic italian flatbread), Thursday, November 10, 2011 2:45 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Nit-tanee

Only say it real fast w/o really enunciating the syllables

xpost but he's so right

all penn state students and alums are guilty by association

rhymes with Brittany xp

now they're dragging poor innocent cows into this

I misread the tweet. I thought, "Cud Catch Joe"?! What the fuck kind of nickname is that? And how could its backstory not be nauseating?

rhymes with litany, as in "a litany of sex abuse allegations" xp

:D ^

lol

Genius, elmo. Genius.

much better than my discarded "sounds like pɛdəræst" joke

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7215590/the-culture-unrest-penn-state

There is a place in my hometown known as Beaver Canyon, a stretch of downtown street bounded on both sides by towering student apartment buildings. In 1998, during an annual summer craft fair and alumni bacchanalia known as Arts Fest, someone hurled a garbage can off a balcony, and then someone else threw one of those party-ball kegs into the road, thereby sparking a riot that provoked the spraying of tear gas and multiple arrests. In a way, what happened on that night in State College was much weirder than what happened last night, because there was no explanation for it at all.

A friend and I walked through downtown late that night, oblivious to the the riot in Beaver Canyon because Beaver is a one-way street and we only had to look in the opposite direction for traffic. The next morning my mom asked if I'd seen the riot downtown and I didn't believe there'd actually been one until I saw the paper.

We did see a lot of cops on horses when we passed, but since all the booths for Arts Fest were out, we just assumed they were protecting those for some reason.

from a football standpoint the game knida needs to be played

This is where the world needs to not give a fuck about the "football standpoint."

OTM, that quote really jumped out at me too... like, that matters at all?

isn't this whole scandal an example of what can happen when the "football standpoint" is the only consideration?

You've got to 'appreciate the context', apparently.

isn't this whole scandal an example of what can happen when the "football standpoint" is the only consideration?

― i think this is serious (elmo argonaut), Thursday, November 10, 2011 3:54 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Lots of $$$ involved in the "football standpoint". If you think that will change overnight, I think youre crazy.