Battlestar Galactica Season 3

Actually not seen series two yet, so it would be a bad idea to watch anyway!

And I reckon the security people might have worked out such grade one dodges.

as grim as this is, this is still just television, I was watching with friends who were saying 'how can they even get away with showing this', which was a bit of an overreaction, but this is still some serious national therapy

this show, not really just for space nerds (lacking some credibility for saying this being a space nerd, but now that this show has finally made things literal it's going to be a bit harder to ignore)

Annoying but too late to change: Ugly filters on video making things look cold or diseased.

as grim as this is, this is still just television, I was watching with friends who were saying 'how can they even get away with showing this', which was a bit of an overreaction, but this is still some serious national therapy

Amusingly, one J. Goldberg, who has spent the last two years going on about how much he loves the series via NRO, posted something today essentially saying "Uh...I'll get back to you all on Monday."

mid way in that 1st ep (when they made contact) i was reflecting on the fact that tho this is just a fantasy, a manufactured human drama, it has quite an effect on me - i care about the people here. and i'm not bothered by the relentless mood, and obv its not kickabout fun (obv). quite unusual for me to be into this. and i never expected this when it started 2 years ago (i didn't like what i saw in the trail, and i was never too keen on the original show either)

I never thought I'd be into this show either, but it is my favorite now.

Scifi sometimes shows all day marathons of the original Battlestar as well as Battlestar 1980, and they are enjoyable as campy fun but not as much else.

Osama Bin Tigh, though.

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i agree about the weird fat suit, but it seemed by the end of ep2, they were getting back into appolo's actual character rather than just relying on fat suit as character. i'm hoping he'll 'slim down' really quickly...

what most intrigued me though was the starbuck/cylon 'relationship' and that weird apartment she has to live in (which i'm pretty sure is in the building my brother lived in for 6 years until v recently! he met a few of the cast even several months ago when they were filming.) yeah, this subplot seems the most effed up and freaky, as effed as the scare The People into submission cyclon tactics are too.

i'm mostly happy to see new episodes, as much as i already miss the big space battles. (but those'll come again soon enough.)

anyway... though i thought the 2nd half of steazon two had some REAL weak shit in it the pilot double-whammy has restored my faith. yeah it's so obv iraq but somehow it totally works. can't wait to see where they go with it and i think it was a brilliant way to keep the series from treading water.

EXCEPT

they gotta stop adding cute kids to the cast. when dude came in with starbuck's baby my heart totally sank.

-- Hanna (hanna.fah...), Today 6:28 AM. (Hanna) (later)

me too!!

the whole baby gets hurt and starbuck gets attached thing was a little contrived.

I wonder how they're going to let this play out - I really really don't want Starbuck to have a cylon-bastard kid running around her feet for the rest of the season. That would ruin all her cool.

I don't know, she's been in captivity a while and they've been messing with her head. She could be faking it or she could just be losing her mind/developing Stockholm syndrome.

starbuck may be freaking out and may have true feelings for the kid - she's tough not heartless, even if she has doubts about the kid being hers - but she's gotta be faking the cylon handholding. which is rad.

the actors and head writer person are rumoured to have said that this season is supposed to be BLEAK. but, uh, in a good way? hm, not sure how much disturbing and depressing i can deal with in mid-winter...

oh, starbuck's brains are messed up but srsly, a day or two before she holds his hand she's stabbing him in the neck with a piece of metal. she has a soft side but it's not that soft.

i really hope she gets to fly a spaceship again. and that there are more space battles soon.

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also, Laurel, do you have someone who could download/tape new eps for you? 2 fit on one cdr!

A month or two of that and he won't be so into her when he's finally reborn. PLus they remember their deaths, so he's going to remember months of excruciating pain, yo.

I'm a bit confused about this business with the babies. Why is the Hera kid so much more valuable and special than Starbuck's baby? They're both supposed to be hybrids, what's the difference? Also, Starbuck's baby looks much, much older than Hera, which doesn't really make sense.

The Tigh/Ellen scene where he found out she was the traitor was great. Loved Tighs one-eyed face and expression.

Didn't really like the beginning of the episode, when they were in the woods, the whole settings looked so amateurish.

Reasons why Hera is special:
a) Naturally conceived (Cylon's couldn't do that)
b) Roslin doesn't know about KC
but here's the real rub...
c) KC probably isn't really Starbucks baby. As mentioned above, she is far too old, and the whole ovary harvesting thing just sounds pretty implausible She's probably just a stolen human baby.

Beginning of the episode was complete King Of The Rocket Men cheat though to save Roslin and Zarek for CERTAIN DEATH.

Battlestar Galactica cakes:
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That's a fun video Alan, but no Boomer love...

it's possible that KC is starbuck's kid even though the timeline can't work (KC looks about 1.5 yrs old, maybe closer to 2.) - but maybe accelerated growth? OR maybe she is a new cylon model. crepey.

TOTAL cheat with the beginning of this episode. end of last ep: cally was totally in the woods when shots went off. but hells, it's tv and i kinda love it for doing stuff like that anyway.

i haven't yet watched the commentaries on scifi site. i'll cross that line today though, i'm sure...

I'm hoping they don't go for the the accelerated-growth-thing that ALL sf-shows seem to do. V, The 4400, etc etc.

How long until Roslin and Zarek get together you think?

and this week's ep = SO GOOD!!
so many things happening! fighting! space! blowing up! reunions! heartache! shaving of mustaches!

when lee came in on the pegasus, i whooped/cried a little, gotta say.

I want them to leave the Colonials alone for an episode or two, as I am more curious about the Cylons and would like to see how they explain some of this stuff out. I thought it would have been even creepier if that little kid with Starbuck would have turned out not to be her child but some new model of Cylon. I suppose it is still possible. They never really have let out or explained how they infiltrated into Colonys, it is entirely possible that there is an original human that was a "prototype" for all of these Cylons that have shown up.

It was pretty bitchin' haveing the Battlestar coming down through the atmosphere then launching out the fighters.

But it seemed kind of resetty to me.

So, Gaius is going to go live with the cylons now? Man they have the opportunity for some very intense writing there, I hope they make the most of it and give us a cylon hometown storyline.

I, too, cried a little when Lee turned up, and shivered when the cylons blew the Pegasus to pieces.

what a fucking fantastic episode...

fwiw, at least the pieces of the Pegasus took out two Basestars along with it...

that, and the BSG in freefall, were amazing.

reset but with a lot of reconfiguring! alium baby and gaius with the cylons. lots of dead humans (next ep they'll have a census and we'll get a new pop count). xena going a bit god loopy ect

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great episode. so exciting. so sad. i can't wait to see what they have up their sleeves for the rest of the season.

halloween duo costume: fat apollo and fat riker

I don't remember this, although it sounds a lot like what I was hoping for this season of BG. I don't mind depressing so much (big The Wire fan, you know) and still feel like they didn't explore the situation enough. But whatever comes next will probably be really good anyway.

I, too, cried a little when Lee turned up, and shivered when the cylons blew the Pegasus to pieces.

Thank god! I thought I teared-up at that moment because I recently stopped taking anti-deps! => No, that was a fan-fucking-tastic moment in space for sure.

I'm about to show my age and geeky side, but is anyone else in here a former fan of the Wing Commander video games? All of the space combat scenes in this week's episodes put me right back in the cockpit, which I think was another factor in my getting so damned emotional over a sci-fi show.

In fact, now that I'm thinking about it, the moment of Pegasus arrival as the cavalry was *just* like one of the moments in Wing Commander 4. No I'm not that much of a geek; I had to double-check things on the Wikipedia page. Here's an excerpt:

The Intrepid, pursued heavily by the Vesuvius and Tolwyn's Black Lance pilots, makes a run toward Earth....The Intrepid must bypass a major starbase in the Ella System, and the player is given the choice to sneak past it or Flash-Pak it -- killing thousands of civilians in the process...(T)his choice also determines whether Blair will have the Flash-Pak when it comes time to take out the Vesuvius, a job made slightly easier by the intervention of the TCS Mount St. Helens, sister ship to the Vesuvius and recently hijacked by Captain Eisen.

Yep, as Blair (Mark Hamil), you've been left in charge of the Intrepid by Captain Eisen (Jason Bernard). Just as Tolwyn's Vesuvius is about to turn the Intrepid into space debris (with Blair making some of the same "It's been on honour" comments to the crew, if I recall correctly), Eisen shows up to turn the tables with an exact replica of the Vesuvius! Just as emotional as Lee's timely arrival, believe it or not.

It's obvious that both Star Wars and the original Battlestar Galactica were the main influences on the Wing Commander games, but I'd have to say the general feel of the role-playing was closer to the latter.

That's it! I must now dig out an old machine, install Win98 and locate the entire WC series of games. I haven't played video games in years, but this last episode of BG has me wantin to be in space!

One of the only disagreements I've ever had with my husband is over me laughing at him for watching this show. I'm sorry, it was funny!

I can't believe how much that latest BG episode has me back into wanting to game again. I feel 19 again - well not in physical capacity, but I've been fairly giddy all day!

It's also funny to me that the original Battlestar Galactica helped spawn Wing Commander, and playing Wing Commander back in the 90's was nostalgic to the original Battlestar Galactica. Now, watching the new BG has me all nostalgic for Wing Commander, and I wouldn't be surprised if it in some part helped influence the new Battlestar Galactica (for example, writers, special effects folks, etc., who may have been big Wing Commander fans back in the day?)

Ok, I'm blathering like a kid in a candy store, so I'm going to stfu now and get into space!

i gotta say... the galactic appearing and disappearing in the atmosphere scene was one of the best action set pieces i've seen in ages... tv or movies. so great. i wish i could see it on a big screen!!

Anyway, that's one way to see it on a big screen.

PLAY SEASON 3 IN AUSTRALIA BUTTMASTERS!

totally agree. how awesome was it to see the bsg dropping like a rock and spitting out fighters for ground support? then just blinking out like haha fuckers!

i wonder if they'll address this but it seemed like the galactica took a major pounding- between the airdop (which it didn't really seem designed for- most of bsg's ships seem ok in atmospheres, but the galactica looked like it was going to rip itself apart) and the cylons whacking at it- it must be in bad shape even as they got away? i honestly thought for a minute they were going to lose the titular ship.

tigh is amazing- character and actor. they've set him up to really have trouble reacclimating to galactica.

i definitely could have stayed on nu caprica for a few more episodes, but it might have gotten too grim. i was ready for the reset- and of course, lot's changed. i'm morbidly obsessed with the population counter and hope it returns- they must have lost a lot of people in the escape.

and what the heck else are the cylons doing? they referenced "other projects" that drew their attention away.

More Ben-lon!

what still sticks with me is the galactica-shaped coat of flame that enveloped it on its entry into the atmosphere and remained there like a snakeskin or centipede husk for a moment after the ship blinked out. beautiful.

obv this is why this series is way better. also, come on you KNEW, or had a vague feeling, that when pegasus turned up it was going to go again at some point. as a tactical sacrifice to get them out of the hole they were in on nu-caprica it was perfect. you can see the writers setting this up from the off. "ok, so series 2 ends with them all stuck on nu-caprica with cylon overlords, how will we get em out... another battlestar, ok so now we need another story to introduce that..." and so series 2 takes shape. well done them

Ron Moore mentioned in his podcast a practical reason for eliminating the Pegasus, the sets were taking up space that were needed for the Cylon base star interiors.

what still sticks with me is the galactica-shaped coat of flame that enveloped it on its entry into the atmosphere and remained there like a snakeskin or centipede husk for a moment after the ship blinked out. beautiful.

Not to mention the "pop" as the air rushed in to fill the Galactica-sized vacuum hole left behind.

-- sean gramophone (sea...), Yesterday 7:42 AM. (Sean M) (later)

why is it looking so likely? there's still like 7 models left!

yeah, yeah, yeah, maybe Gaeta or Dualla are Cylons-who-don't-know-it, but that's not even interesting. What's interesting are Cylons who do know it and who have been doing shit to secretly fuck things up.

The behaviour of Gaeta in the last episode makes me really not be able to think he's a Cylon. And if Dualla is, why the hell wouldn't she have told the others about the details of the plan to destroy new Caprica?

And yeah - that's my point. I no longer believe "they have a plan", really. Maybe they have some intentions for Earth. But the diabolical scheming all sort of fell apart when Moore started humanising them. ("Caprica Six" etc) The ones we saw in those New Caprica meetings seemed so much dumber than, say, Adama + Roslin + Zarek.

There's no indication (so far) that any cylonwide plans are kept secret from the collective conscious. And no indication from the cylons we've seen in S2 + 3 that any cool plotting has happened.

I mean remember how awesome that episode with prophetic Leoben and Roslin was?

Anyway, the show is awesome but I love that kind of all-planned-out shit and am disappointed it's evaporated.

In the beginning they annhiliated humanity - and then maybe even engineered one ship to get away. With the right sort of Cylons stowed away. And did all kinds of mindfuck double-gambits and stuff in S1. How much of that kind of advance planning and treachery seems visible in the Cylons we know now? They didn't come back to New Caprica so late in some kind of oh-did-we-fuckin-getcha! move (which would have ruled), but just because Caprica Six and Boomer finally "convinced" the public of the idea of getting along with the humans. If the original plan was so awesome/divine/potent, no way some celebrity who says "let's try it! yay!" would have usurped those intentions.

I was holding on to the idea that maybe Cavils were 'brains' in the operation, not showing the full hands to the others, but dude seemed so average in the last couple eps. They didn't even send many centurions etc to take over the gigantic huge resistance meeting they found out about. (And consequently, a Cavil got badly hurt.)

LMAO! Literally. My ass is now sitting beside me while I continue to laugh uncontrollably.

this episode was harsh.
roslyn was awesome at the end too.

+ "i've got a date with a jump rope. ... hey, i've dropped half a stone."
"keep jumping"
haha

The tease about the remaining 5 models ("we don't mention them")! And we don't even know if the known 7 models can recognise the 5, what if they can't, maybe Gaius IS a cylon after all? I'm really happy about this development, the "and they have A PLAN" makes much more sense now that there actually may BE a hidden agenda somewhere in the cylon community.

And the mystery of the cylon-killing virus, who put it there, are there humans living on Earth that might have done it? I wonder if Sharon will be infected, and if she is, will she pass it on to any possible hidden cylons back on Galactica?

Yay Starbuck finally cut her hair and shaped up a bit! I feel so sorry for the broken man that Tigh has become.

Also Apollo back in shape and showing off some chest.

last weeks was just so great perhaps.

the cylon baseships creep me out - which is good. the pulsing red lights have always been freaky but now they're hueg and everywhere! the "projection" ability is really interesting too! and there's poor baltar unable to project and sitting in this creepy, pulsing utilitarian enviroment. maybe he will learn projection from the 6 in his head? or, yes, maybe he is a cylon (though i doubt it - even though he said "yes, i can feel it" when cylon explained the pulsing to him.)

i was about to say "how can someone who's such a brilliant scientician be so dumb and putzy in all other ways??" and then i realized what i was asking there. hahaha.

hybrids and their jump orgasms = great. made me think that the pleasure principle is applicable to cylons too - we already know they are more than just machines/robots.

and no matter how implausible it might be for lee to have lost all that weight so quickly, i am really glad we don't have to see the weirdness of the fat suit any more.

and the virus and the 5 other cylon models and "athena" and etc! i do love how it's all evolving.
this is the greatest show on tv.

Kind of dissapointed that Sharon/Athena didn't catch the Cylon virus, it would have made for a great storyline. Also it could have revealed possible undetected Cylons onboard Galactica!

Loving the Baltar storyline right now.

Roslyn is totally passive-aggressively scary!

Why don't you take the beacon?
They didn't know what kind of virus it was or what its impact on humans would be. Would you bring a potentially lethal biological contaminant into a closed environment that also happens to be the center for military operations during a war in which a bunch of robots are trying to kill all the humans? Or wait and see what it is first and then go back and get it? Then the ship blew up before they could go back and get the beacon.

Why is Boomer okay?
The fetal blood cell thing has some basis in reality - I lack the medical vocabulary to do any real research into the potential for that kind of immunity swapping, but it makes some sense considering RH+/- type fetal blood swapping consequences.

How'd they make a vaccine so quick?
It was a common human virus, so once Doc Smokeypants figured out what it was, he probably didn't have to do much R&D - just call on textbook medical training and VIOLIN! Vaccine.

Why is Helo the only one who doesn't want to wipe out the whole cylon race?
Adama wasn't real keen on it, either, and they didn't explore too many other people's thoughts so there may have been a range of reactions.

Why doesn't Almos throw Helo in the Brig?
Because he was ambivalent about committing genocide, too, and was glad that Helo suffocated the cylons before they could kill them and download the virus into the resurrection ship.

I don't know about the last one except that maybe everybody (except Roslyn, bless her smiling, murderous heart) was kind of relieved about their genocidal plan being thwarted and are taking a "Well that didn't work! Let's never speak of it again" kind of attitude about it.

I have actually been practicing my sweet-yet-murderous Roslyn smile. I think it could come in handy professionally some day. Also, Felix Gaeta cutting his hair after rejoining the army was his true crime against humanity. Lee Adama can stay in a fat suit until the Battlestar crew make a guest appearance on Lost island in a season ten crossover special for all I care. I just want a bearded Chief and a long-haired Gaeta and I will be a happy fan.

really liked this episode (surprise), esp adama's inner conflict - made me love him even more - and how roslyn is really getting the hang of being a chess-playing leader - yes, that smile is awesome

and how freakin great was it when tigh kicked bulldog's ass?? man is a drunk and has one eye but totally floors big dude with a pipe? HERO

jenny otm about beards and longer hair

cylon threesex in ornate bed whoa

i have this feeling we're in for another story arch more directly involving 'love' and 'religion/spiritual' soon though, which i'm looking forward to

preview of next week made it look like this is coming up. i'm enjoying how they're slowly coming around to the pieces of the "lost year" on nu-caprica. i wish i could have heard how tigh told adama what happened to ellen.

tigh is unbelievable this year. i love that he put his uniform back on to save bill with the pipe, even if he's not really getting back on his feet yet. don't fuck with one-eye!

there is definitely something weird going on with xena's dreams and deliberate suicides to explore the brief cylon afterlife. thank god there's at least one interesting baseship plot so it's not entirely naked pleading baltar.

Don't know about that episode. Adama's way too much "good guy" for us to think for a second that he's actually guilty of anything really bad, so resignation comes as a "shut up fool" moment. Hum te hum.

i love the fact that the show has a MAJOR WW2 nerd in control, which let's him riff on both the current situation and indulge in putting his characters against a Vichy gov't. He already got to play his "Adama as Ensign Gay in Battle of Midway," so why not more?

i skimmed half this thread, so I don't know if this link has been posted yet, but

here's a hilarious collection of rightwing bloggers going on about

"...I realize that most, if not all, forms of media today have an agenda, but this was right out of the liberal media..." "...I was disgusted by the storyline which didn’t even try to veil the agenda of the show..." "...This show is an attack against the US and against Christianity..."

along with some leftie bloggers and some more nuanced folks commenting.

OK Alan, I want my BSG and I want it now!

that episode was fine, but SERIES/plot-arc momentum is so utterly lost. MEGA VIRUS? resolved! TIGH PISSED? resolved! KARA PISSED? resolved! STRESS AMONG CYLONS OVER BALTAR/VIRUS: resolved!

"getting to earth" is not very compelling to me as a series-driver right now because - i don't know if you remember - the point is for earth to be a SAFE HAVEN. and this is a bad safe haven IF THE CYLONS ARE GOING TOO.

please let's have back the feeling of a series-wide arc. if that means a circle of 'evil super-wise cylons', so be it. Is Baltar God/a Cylon? The mere existence of the baby? Those in themselves are not going to carry me throuuuuugh.

anyone digging ultra-harsh Olmos on Galactica... American Me is outstanding (if really hard to watch)

"I had no idea..."

So who was it??? Had to be somebody she knew. That was probably the best semi-reveal ever.

So who was it???

Starbuck?

Her basic role is to fly around, be bitchy/awesome, and that's about it. This strikes me as a bit of a sudden turn.

x-post good point E.T.

BUT she was also held captive at the Cylon egg harvesting farm so that would suggest that she's not a Cylon - why would they keep just one Starbuck model captive/pretend to harvest her eggs if she wasn't human? BUT I also don't necessarily think that the "final five" are Cylons. I sort of half tune out the religious crap, but aren't there five somethings in the human mythology that could correspond to the other five Cylons? I definitely think there's going to be a confluence somewhere.

There was also reference to her painting, although I can't remember which episode.

Oh, cool. If anyone here knows exactly which episodes these were let us know.

If that Eye of Jupiter painting is on some Season one or two episode, that'd be kind of awesome.

I agree, but not because of the painting (I remember seeing paintings in her apt., but not that one in particular.)

No, the reason it makes no sense to me for Kara to be a toaster is that she was kidnapped by them and they stole one of her ovaries.

I remember Starbuck's paintings, but I'll have to go back and see if that particular one was there. While kara has always been religious, the whole 'gods/fate/destiny' storyline never really intersected with her in that fashion. She was always the action grunt with loads of psychological problems, but not really part of that Roslin world.

I like the Anders idea. Realistically, it could be anyone from Galactica, as Three spent a lot of time their posing as a journalist.

yeah, as said above "the final five" might not necessarily be full-on cylons - they were images only and could be, like, the founders of earth. or screw it, maybe they are cylons and maybe starbuck is one of them - or more likely, her cylong-created SPAWN/CLONE is one of them! hm. i do buy her arty-godlovin' side though, for sure. (yeah, i also remember the eps of her apartment and her paints, etc. she may not be into the scriptures but she's into the idea of there being something bigger than herself.)

dean stockwell cylon always freaks me out

That was kind of a central thing when Rosilyn sent her back to Caprica to get that arrow from the museum, the Prez played up that this is crazy but you have to go. That being said, I'd be really suprised if she is a Cylon.

I got a feeling we might not see much of the Cylons for a few episodes, as they have put Baltar and Six on Galactica and put Lucy Lawless in storage.

here's what the berobed Final Five look like when not completely washed out. (hint: you can't see anything b/c its five fake shemps in robes)

-- jennyjennyjenny (rabbitrabbi...), January 22nd, 2007 2:10 PM. (pullapartgirl) (later)

are you serious? "it was... you?!" is such a stock plot device!!

i bet that clear shot of the people in robes is just of some extras/crew

omg space cheers!!!

Following Episode: "You take the good, you take the bad"

FINAL FIVE

and the rest of the U.S. broadcast sched:

Season 3, Episode 14: The Woman King
Original Air Date: 19 January 2007

Season 3, Episode 15: A Day in the Life
Original Air Date: 26 January 2007

Season 3, Episode 16: Dirty Hands
Original Air Date: 2 February 2007

Season 3, Episode 17: Maelstrom
Original Air Date: 2007

Season 3, Episode 18: The Son Also Rises
Original Air Date: 2007

Season 3, Episode 19: Crossroads: Part 1
Original Air Date: 2007

Season 3, Episode 20: Crossroads: Part 2
Original Air Date: 2007

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=features&seas=1&vid=58440

We don't know for certain that they're four of the Final Five, do we?

i watched the finale last night. o-m-g at AATW sharkjump (reminded me of Magnolia) but enjoyable curveball all the same. and exciting to see Earth.

whatever happened to "Adama is a Cylon" - seems silly to ignore that completely or for it to have been just thingy Cylon stirring it up. initially i thought the woman who 'rescues' Baltar might be a final fifth herself.

i wouldn't be at all surprised if Starbuck is just a ghost only Lee can see now. feh.

"AATW sharkjump"

i appear to be the only BSGer here on ILX who rly rly liked that. the NIN-style bit that cuts out when they converge on the room - loved it. the rub cover that dominates the whole final sequence. LOVED it. i thought it was one of the coolest few minutes of telly i've seen. except for battlestar in freefall :-)

i liked the music itself, i should say (but not the vocals).

for pure visual thrills, freefall battlestar and the colony evacuation was the best moment of the season tho i agree.

as with Lost the news that they 'kinda make it up as they go' really disappoints me as i'm just not confident that approach will result in satisfying conclusion.

it's not purely make it up tho is it? the podcasts and extra-show stuff tells us that the creators have staked out major developments, and the larger story - it's just the colouring in of the details has more room for manoeuvre than might be expected from something like a book where you know it's all been worked on and finished before you start reading it

i like that lost and bsg together look like being the first shows like this with definite ends that they GET TO (in yr rubbish face Babylon 'pile of shit' 5)

aside from occasions where Baltar was tricked or forced into co-operating with the Cylons...what badness has be done? He gave the warhead to the Pegasus #6, presumably trusting it to be used only as a deterrent, but it was used to wipe out a couple of ships and presumably a thousand lives or more. but no evidence could be found for this i guess, it could never come back to haunt him.

the other thing i still don't get is quite how Baltar manifests in Cap #6 consciousness to the extent where he is able to reveal information to her that she could not have known. but i'm probably missing something.

and who IS the CAG at this point in the show's time? it'll be Hotdog at this rate

i think most largely agree with you about baltar. RDM on the podcasts sez simliar.

Giving a nuclear warhead to someone is pretty bad!

I loved the season finale, too -- NIN bits? Tigh is a Cylon? Rub cover? Excellent.

aside from occasions where Baltar was tricked or forced into co-operating with the Cylons...what badness has be done?

Well, apart from giving the Cylons the codes for the Colonial Defence Network and therefore indirectly causing the death of billions...

And yes, he didn't know Cap #6 was a Cylon, but he shouldn't really have given those codes to anyone.

did he actually give her the codes or did he just unwittingly enable her to obtain them?

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117966089.html?categoryid=1417&cs=1&p=0

so 4 is really going to be the last season. HMPH.

also, was the end of season 3 inexplicably bad for anyone else?

liked it.

it's fine

did tigh say "there must be some kind of way out of here" first in ep 19 or 20? can't be bothered looking back. I thought "I hope not" but it was

as it became apparent (maybe when anders and the presidential advisor woman were together or when anders and the chief were talking in the hanger) that there were only four people hearing it it was obvious what it probably meant and it was a little annoying

when it happened and they all got to the room it was a bit "oh yeah this is probably weird I suppose well done"

the only thing that would really explain it all (haven't read anything about (not even this thread) so I don't know what the current thinking is) and wouldn't leave any "yeah but tigh could have just shot all the ships and piloted BSG into a star a couple of months ago" is the it happened before and it'll happen again thing and that it's all destiny and nothing is what it seems at all and there is a higher power that no-one knows anything about really and we're all the same and in a big loop and on and on. would explain all the easy escapes etc, if the cylons weren't really trying to wipe humanity out, even if they thought that's what they wanted to do

the "final five" thing prompts (or reprompts and places a lot of import on) lots of little, stupid-sounding questions about things that seem petty or, like, why am I bothering? thought it was a reasonable gimmick to have 12 models and revealed slowly like w/ boomer and dean stockwell and viewers are supposed to think "who's next??" and thought it was funny when they first said something like that on the show but all the talk of the "final five" was a bit stupid unless it there is a long v convoluted story which I can't imagine in 20 more eps. hope it doesn't end w/ just a stupid question or lots of little, stupid-sounding questions

but it's fine

i hope it ends with journey

just started listening to that three hour roundtable thing and wow is there a lot of backslapping and the like so far (first ten mins)

there is a lot of that, predictably, but moore does try to steer towards their own criticisms. funny that everyone seems to agree that 33 is still the best episode they've done.

apollo about the can of worms of revealing too much about the cylons which is what I meant about petty questions. if you have revealed this much and the whole show is based on revelation...it kind of sets up a mode of thinking that everything will be explained, from start to finish. which is v difficult and unlikely or just insane

it is sort of a shame to hear them talking about how cylons having personalities seems like a questionable shot in the foot to their cause when they have gone so far as to be engineered to feel pain, etc, and kind of makes me think that they don't even know why they did the looking-like-us thing other than simple infiltration (in the show) and low-level "ooooh scary" (watching it). especially when you have these same models running things

apollo says some interesting stuff I agree w/ but sounds totally pissed by the end

my favourite moment of series 3 that isn't Galactica freefall is still Tigh and Adama pissing themselves re "i hear they're still eating paper, is that true?" "no, paper shortage"

"not a good sign!"

have we had this yet:

http://carnifex.wickedgaming.org/images/findinurbomb.jpeg

?

series 3 dvds available for about a week now, preordered from amazon (= geek). about 6 episodes in. inching through this thread, on spoiler alert.

4 insurgents vs 5 or 6 metal bots during 'Great Escape' 'let them stretch their legs' scene. how did they win? and quantum leap guy saw who was involved before he killed himself so why didn't he do anything about it after he'd regenerated?

galactica in freefall, pegasus to the rescue scenes rightly acknowledged above as great stuff. space battles in general up there with B5 or Space Above And Beyond.

nobody mentioned what was probably the strongest scene for me so far though - when they realise that the bloke they are just about to vent was the dog bowl bloke. the looks on their faces.

last couple of episodes a bit slow. have also noticed that they use the same footage of the reverse scramble when recalling vipers before jumping. disappointing but staying true to the original there i think.

oh, and Tigh, get one eye patch rather than a bit of gauze and some scotch tape.

so psyched for Razor

wtf with this being available on DVD in the UK before the US!!!

We don't get the commentaries.

i'd rather buy an American one and save £££

I can't even find a fucking release date for this in the US

you should try google

and for what its worth, this dvd is going to cost a lot of movie. instead, you can watch it on TV or download it on the INTERNET (try google for more info)

a lot of money! (dictionary.com)

Google sez thank you for being patronizing but don't ask me I don't have a fucking clue

Odd, because my google says that the release date is November 24, 2007 at 9/8 C on TV and December 4, 2007 on DVD.

Sources:
imdb
official sci fi channel website
wikipedia
battlestar wiki
etc

nice research, jeff. kudos!

thanks. the real issue here though is that this dvd is $38.99 on amazon.com. must be msrp?

Jeff I am not asking about Razor/Season 4 I am asking about the SEASON 3 DVDs WHERE ARE THEY

(note thread title)

i didn't realize someone would freak out so much about something that was broadcast on tv and is widely available on the net. also, i thought you were referring to the comment before yours. oh well, pwned. not really, because season 3 kinda sucks and i wouldn't anticipate it if i were you.

I don't like watching anything lengthy on my computer and its not like this stuff gets broadcast more than once on the sci-fi channel (and I hadn't seen all of Season 2.5 when it aired originally anyway) - so I've been waitin for the DVDs. sorry for bein bitchy.

s3 was hugely disappointing. spare yourself.

no way. a couple of duff eps but it rocked as much as the other two overall. worth watching.

i enjoyed season 4. there are always 4 shit filler episodes in every season. s4 just had really bad ones.

I'm not just gonna skip Season 3 and move on to Razor/Season 4 come on now

nothing in s3 was as bad as Black Market

season 5 is pretty good but why are you guys so excited? this shit came out in the 80s. pretty corny.

Was "Scar" in S3? That was p terrible.

oops i meant season 3 above. scar was season 2.5 i think.

man you guys are harsh. I wouldn't call any of the episodes "terrible", the series in general being better than everything else on TV as well as better than 99% of sci-fi produced today, in any medium.

horrible episodes =

black market
the one where the black guy shows up and strangles adama
boxing grievances

boxing!!!!

agreed except i liked the boxing one :/

The boxing one was sweet.
And yeah "terrible" was too strong, sorry.

what about the ones where they go to the ghost town on vacation and an old prospector locks baltar in a jail cell

what about the one where baltar thinks he has a cylon STD

what about the one where adama has to talk down a cloud with father issues

or the one where apollo and starbuck get sent back to 19th century england

or the one where Starbuck builds a colonial fighter out of coconuts

i hear that in s4, there are a few episodes where they go to hawaii but they encounter a string of bad luck once apollo finds an ancient taboo idol

what about the one where apollo finally kills that polar bear that has been terrorizing the colonial fleet

s6 was really when the writers hit their stride - the plot and theme arcs really held together, some amazing high points in a consistently high-point season: the cave wars! collision with the pirates! the wedding hijinks ep! dual-star explosion - was it really "g/God"???
seriously great stuff

series doesn't really pick up until Tighe's little cousin Oliver joins the crew and Starbuck and Apollo's adorable baby Raven is born

also the episode where President Roslyn has menopause

The final episode of Battlestar Galactica, known as "The Last One", ended in a context different from every other episode of the series. As the viewer pans away from snow beginning to fall on New Caprica, the scene changes to William Adama's autistic son Lee "Apollo" Adama, and Saul Tigh in an apartment building. Adama arrives home from a day of work, and it is clear that he works in construction from the uniform he wears and from a conversation in this scene. "Tigh" is revealed to be William's father, and thus "Apollo"'s grandfather. William laments to his father, "I don't understand this autism thing, Pop. Here's my son. I talk to him. I don't even know if he can hear me, because he sits there, all day long, in his own world, staring at that toy. What's he thinkin' about?" The toy is revealed to be a snow globe with a replica of Old Caprica inside. "Apollo" shakes the snow globe, and is told by his father to come and wash his hands. William Adama places the snow globe on the family's television set and walks into the kitchen and the camera closes in on the snow globe.

:D

the one where the black guy shows up and strangles adama

i liked this one OK

Adama/Eddie Olmos wakes up on Miami Vice, staring at Lee/Don Johnson's hairy orange ankles.

> thanks. the real issue here though is that this dvd is $38.99 on amazon.com. must be msrp?

i paid nearly as much in pounds. still, was much cheaper than subscribing to sky or getting broadband installed. (series 2 did eventually end up on freeview on sky3, about a month after i got the dvds. oh um)

> i'd rather buy an American one and save £££

but they will come down in price dramatically in the next few months - series 2 was £15 when i bought it, the miniseries was a fiver (and still is)

i'm still waiting for the dagget to turn up.

My usual Amazon route is to buy it and put it up for sale in market place the same day for a quid cheaper. You get to see the full whack for about 4 quid tops that way.

my least favorite episode is the one where it randomly turns out that the "Kat" character has a secret history of being a drug runner or some shit like that

the christmas carol themed episode where different "head 6s" are xmas past/present/future and baltar buys the biggest turkey in the shop at the end. brilliant.

the 'gay issue' one with the ressurection ship glitch.

Tiscali has suddenly started carrying Sky One (did you notice this Alan?) so may get to watch S4 that way (not sure how big the gap is between new episodes shown in the US and in the UK).

yes we noticed it a few weeks ago - been watching ST:TNG late at night. lovely. 2, 3 and arts are there too, but they were broken until v recently. is this some cheap deal from sky to spite virgin, yeah?

also, hurray for Lost and 24 when it's back. unless this is a mistake :-(

is this some cheap deal from sky to spite virgin, yeah?

i reckon so.

it will push me into a 'shall i just wait a few days so i can watch Lost on TV but with annoying breaks or shall i just download it right now' dilemma

somehow i miss the credits on real telly. plus recall the schism on the Lost threads about the "next time on Lost" bits :-)

also why does the sci fi channel (UK at least) never show widescreen?

you need to make your imagination widescreen and stop this 4:3 thinking

what about the episode where starbuck and athena have a push-up competition and starbuck is caught doping up on cylon blood?

(sorry, i thought about this last night and started to laugh)

bob fucking dylan?

Get used to it. It's here to stay.

is there a season 4 and razor anticipation thread?

OLD LOOK CYLONS! fighting young looking bill adama. but STILL!

start one!

hang on what is this 'razor'
stop making me feel like i'm losing my mind

it's a tv movie coming out late nov!!

god robyn pay attention

what is happening to my life

guys i haven't watched ANY tv shows this week

So, Has anyone seen the um, highly legal version of Razor flinging its way around the web? It's really good. I still think the show never went off the boil, but anyone who wants a bit of lean, Season 1/2-style BG is going to be quite happy.

And there's also a nice bit of Season 3 style WTF-ery, so it covers all the bases really.

The end was good. The bit with the talking Cylons was completely WTF, though.

Lee Adama is so blatantly the last member of the Final Five.

the talking Cylons were an homage to the original series weren't they?

christ this is really where it all went wrong. the Dylan lyrics!! argh

Just thinking about how terrible the ending was makes me regret wasting time discussing the show upthread.

I've been re-watching the whole thing, am now on Season 4 and there are still moments of lol/good acting/genuine inspiration but the overall trend is one of a severe nosedive