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Interesting commentary:

I have decided to vote Democratic this fall.

I am a conservative and a Republican party member. I believe in small government, free markets, strong defense, etc., but Bush’s snafu in Iraq is just too much. It overwhelms those issues which for 30 years have made me vote GOP. In addition to screwing up so far, there is zero evidence that he’s changed, or that he “gets it,” or anything. Kevin Drum has a piece today “if Bush gave this kind of speech, that might be different,” not for for Drum, but for some of us. Bush does not get it.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 2 October 2006 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

On SFTT:

As a recent returning resident of Baghdad, I have witnessed firsthand the mismanagement of the peace. As a man who spent most of his adult life learning and training in the same Army as the General, I know of what he speaks. Much of what I saw and heard us doing over there was so bonehead stupid, I could only conclude it was on purpose. Intentional or not, I cannot excuse the horrendous assumptions which led to the woefully inadequate war plans made by the highest civilian and military authority in the land to commit our national treasure in money and blood to a war they have chosen to fight with less than our best effort. In the world of military leadership; that is sacrilege of the first order.

Some of those who planned and executed this war are friends of mine. Regrettably, I cannot give them a pass. Not this time.

Colonel, US Army (Retired)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

Meantime, I do hope this bit from Woodward's book is true:

"Where's the leader?" Bush, according to Woodward, has exclaimed in dismay about the Iraqi government's dithering. "Where's George Washington? Where's Thomas Jefferson? Where's John Adams, for crying out loud?"

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

Some...odd stuff in NROville today. Telling, the word might even be.

Lowry:

If Rumsfeld had had his way, we might have had one foot out the door already. In a meeting earlier this year in Baghdad, Rumsfeld raised the issue of reducing U.S. troop levels with Iraq Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki. Maliki was shocked. “It’s way too earlier to be talking about that,” he said. Rumsfeld’s strategy isn’t outlandish in theory, but the fact is that the Iraqis haven’t yet proven they are up to the burden he wants to place on them.

The secretary of Defense has a tacit ally in minimizing the U.S. commitment in Iraq in top U.S. military commanders. Gen. John Abizaid believes that, according to Woodward, “the U.S. military had done all it could” in Iraq. Asked by his friends his strategy for winning, Abizaid responded, “That’s not my job.” When the general visited Rep. John Murtha, the cut-and-run Democrat, Abizaid put his fingers close together and said, “We’re that far apart.”

So it is that Bush’s stalwartness in the Iraq War never quite seems to be matched by the means he applies on the ground. His administration has been riven by debilitating divisions on Iraq for too long. Bush should appoint an Iraq czar, whose charge it is to do everything possible to win at this late hour, and who will have every resource of government at his disposal. Lest the next Woodward book cover how the U.S. handled its ignominious exit.

He adds:

This appointment would play as a new departure that would give the administration the room to try new things (perhaps—I'm just thinking out loud—a surge of more troops in the near-term, coupled with a set of deadlines for Iraqi political developments). Politically, such an appointment would play perfectly into the administration's theme of adapting to win. It would be a way to break up the deadlocked internal administration debate and to clear up the bureaucratic confusion. (I was talking to a high-level administration official not too long ago who has no idea who really has primary responsibility for Iraq policy.) I think Rumsfeld and the generals basically have a checkmate against any new departure in Iraq policy. Rumsfeld opposes more troops for long-held strategic reasons (because he thinks it will foster dependency on the part of the Iraqis) and the generals, I believe, oppose them for institutional reasons (they know what a terrible strain sending more troops will represent to the Army). We need someone who can break through all this. My nominee would be Zalmay Khalilzad, although he would be hard to replace on the ground in Iraq.

And some of the responses this got.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm kinda surprised Dubya even knows who John Adams is.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

(and obviously Al-Sistani is the central "leader" figure - him and Al Sadr I guess - but maybe Dubya doesn't understand the historical contexts of Islamic religious leaders disdaining participation in governmental administration)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, he went to high school. College, even. You learn about the first four presidents and Eli Whitney.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Can't find a link to Condi negotiating with Saudi Arabia to help reconstruct Iraq. It was in Reuters. I had the link a second ago.. dammit.

0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

I hadn't heard that but it makes total sense that DubyaCo wouldwant to bring in the Saudis as a counter to Iran. Cuz after all who knows better about how to construct a functioning democracy than an oligarchical family of warlords that seized power through violent means and sustains their political system through a complex series of corrupt nepotistic relationships? Besides the Saudis have to be fucking flipping out about Iran's ascension as the key player/center of authority in the Islamic world. The old Suuni vs. Shi'ite bullshit.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Here ya go:

U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said on Monday she plans to ask Saudi Arabia to do more to help stabilize Iraq, encouraging it to influence Iraqi Sunnis to become more involved in the political process.

Speaking as she flew to the Middle East, Rice said she planned during her trip to talk to U.S. allies in the region about how they can assist the Iraqi and Lebanese governments as well as Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas.

Rice's trip to Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Israel and the Palestinian territories is her first journey to the region since a July visit at height of the war between Israel and Hezbollah militants in Lebanon.

During the trip, she plans to have a group meeting with the foreign ministers of Egypt, Jordan and the six Persian Gulf Cooperation Council states -- Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and Oman.

"When Lebanon happened, I think (we) got in very stark relief a clear indication that there are extremist forces and moderate forces (in the Middle East)," she told reporters on the first leg of her trip.

"The countries that we are meeting ... is a group that you would expect to support the emerging moderate forces in Lebanon, in Iraq, and in the Palestinian territories," she added.

Saudi Arabia considers itself the bastion of mainstream Sunni Islam. But its support for Sunni tribes in Iraq is tempered by concern that Saudi Islamists who have gone to fight alongside insurgents could return to fight in Saudi Arabia.

"I want the Saudis' involvement in the stabilization of Iraq. I want the Saudis' involvement in the stabilization of Lebanon through resources and political support," she said.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

ugh. gross.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

but who else are they gonna turn to, Turkey? (ROFLZ)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

They're two sickening compromises on both war fronts happening at the same time.

0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

For what it's worth, I'm about 100 pages into Ricks' Fiasco and am not especially impressed: I was hoping for a long march into folly -- something like a military And the Band Played On, oh the irony -- and instead I'm getting a chorus of I-told-you-sos.

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm, that's a pity. One hoped for better.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

Then there's this:

I've heard President Bush repeatedly state he will send more troops to Iraq if the commanders on the ground ask for them. I think, having returned home from Iraq two months ago, that there must be a breakdown in communication somewhere along the line. Maybe units on the ground are painting too rosy a picture for the generals. Perhaps the generals aren't asking because it goes against the "can do" ethos of the Army. Possibly the military is being squeezed by the Pentagon to do more with less. Or maybe the White House doesn't want to admit more troops are needed. In any case, while I do not have the answers nor do I seek to place blame, it is painfully obvious there's a disconnect.

I volunteered to serve in Iraq because I believe in our mission there. I share the president's conviction about the Iraq war--we can and must win, for the Iraqi people, for the future of our country and for peace-loving people everywhere. But I'm frustrated. America is fighting with a hand tied behind its back. Soldiers have all the equipment we need--armored humvees, body armor for every body part, superior technology, etc.--but we simply do not have enough troops in Iraq, and we need them now.

...

I believe, as the president noted, that "the safety of America depends on the outcome of the battle in the streets of Baghdad." Why then do we have just enough troops in Iraq not to lose? Most of the people I've spoken with since coming home--those both for and against the war--believe we must finish the job in Iraq. Americans understand a defeat in Iraq would have horrible consequences for America and its allies for decades to come. America has the capacity to win and the will to support a winning strategy.

Why then are we pursuing a bare minimum approach?

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First Lt. Hegseth served as an infantry platoon leader and civil-military operations officer in Iraq with the 101st Airborne Division.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

Frum consoles himself. When he was there, surely all was sweetness and light! And eventually the Democrats will agree W. was the best! (Strange man.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

"the discovery that the president had been right all along"

hilarity.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 3 October 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

*Heavy* duty wonkery via Stratfor. Worth posting in full:

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Bush and the Perception of Weakness

By George Friedman

There is good news for the Republican Party: Things can't get much worse. About five weeks from the midterm elections, a National Intelligence Estimate (NIE) asserting that the situation in Iraq will deteriorate in 2007 is leaked. On top of that, Bob Woodward's book is released to massive fanfare, chronicling major disagreements within the White House over prosecution of the Iraq war and warnings to U.S. President George W. Bush in the summer of 2003 that a dangerous insurgency was under way and that the president's strategy of removing Baathists from the government and abolishing the Iraqi army was a mistake. These events are bad enough, but when U.S. Rep. Mark Foley (R-Fla.) -- the head of a congressional committee charged with shutting down child molesters using the Internet -- is caught sending e-mails to 16-year-old male pages, the news doesn't get much worse.

All of this is tied up with the elections of course. The NIE document leak was undoubtedly meant to embarrass the president. The problem is that it did, as it revealed the rift between the intelligence community and the White House's view of the world. The Woodward book was clearly intended to be published more than a month before the elections, and it was expected to have embarrassing revelations in it. The problem is that not a whole lot of people quoted in the book are denying that they said or did what was described. When former White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card is quoted as trying to get U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld out of office and the assertion is made that first lady Laura Bush tried as well, and denials are not flying, you know two things: Woodward intended to embarrass Bush just before the election, and he succeeded. For all we know, the leak about Foley asking about a 16-year-old's boxer shorts may have been timed as well. The problem is that the allegations were true, and Foley admitted what he did and resigned.

These problems might be politically timed, but none of them appears to be based on a lie. The fact is that this confluence of events has created the perception that the Bush White House is disintegrating. Bush long ago lost control of leakers in the intelligence community; he has now started to lose control over former longtime staffers who, having resigned, have turned on him via the Woodward book. Bush appears to be locked into a small circle of advisers (particularly Vice President Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld) and locked into his Iraq strategy, and he generally appears to have suspended decision-making in favor of continuing with decisions already made.

Now, this may not be a fair perception. We are not in the White House and do not know what is going on there. But this is now the perception, and that fact must be entered into the equation. True or not, and fair or not, the president appears to be denying what the intelligence communities are saying and what some of his closest advisers have argued, and it appears that this has been going on for a long time. With the election weeks away, and the Foley scandal adding to the administration's difficulties, there is a reasonable probability that the Republicans will get hammered in the elections, potentially losing both houses of Congress if the current trend continues.

One theory is that Bush doesn't care. He believes in the things he is doing and, whatever happens in the 2006 elections, he will continue to be president for the next two years, with the power of the presidency in his hand. That may be the case, although a hostile Congress with control over the purse strings can force policies on presidents (consider Congress suspending military aid to South Vietnam under Gerald Ford). Congress has substantial power when it chooses to exercise it.

But leaving the question of internal politics aside, the perception that Bush's administration is imploding can have a significant impact on his ability to execute his foreign policy because of how foreign nations will behave. The perception of disarray generates a perception of weakness. The perception of weakness encourages foreign states to take advantage of the situation. Bush has argued that changing his Iraq policy might send the Islamic world a signal of weakness. That might be true, but the perception that Bush is losing control of his administration or of Congress can also signal weakness. If Bush's intent is the reasonable goal of not appearing weak, he obviously must examine the current situation's effects on his ability to reach that goal.

Consider a matter not involving the Islamic world. This week, a crisis blew up in the former Soviet republic of Georgia, which is now closely aligned with the United States. Georgia arrested four Russian military officers, charging them with espionage. The Russians demanded their release and halted the withdrawal of Russian troops from Georgia -- a withdrawal Moscow had promised before the arrests gave it the opportunity to create a fundamental crisis in Russo-Georgian relations.

Normally a crisis of this magnitude involving a U.S. ally like Georgia would rise to the top of the pile of national security issues at the White House, with suitable threats made and action plans drawn up. Furthermore, the Russians would normally have been quite careful about handling such a crisis. There was little evidence of Russian caution; the Russians refrained from turning the situation into a military conflict, but they certainly turned up the heat on Georgia as the crisis evolved on its own. The Kremlin press service said Bush and Russian President Vladimir Putin talked about Georgia in a telephone conversation Oct. 2, and that Putin told Bush third parties should be careful about encouraging Georgia.

The Russians frankly do not see the United States as capable of taking meaningful action at this point. That means Moscow can take risks, exert pressure and shift dynamics in ways it might have avoided a year ago out of fear of U.S. reprisals. The Russians know Bush does not have the political base at home, or even the administrative ability, to manage a crisis. Both National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice are obsessed with Iraq and the Washington firestorm. As for Rumsfeld, Woodward quoted the head of U.S. Central Command, Gen. John Abizaid, as saying Rumsfeld lacks credibility. That statement has not been denied. It is bad when a four-star general says that about a secretary of defense. Since the perception of U.S. crisis management is that no one is minding the shop, the Russians tested their strength.

There is, of course, a much more serious matter: Iran. Iran cut its teeth on American domestic politics. After the Iranians seized U.S. Embassy personnel as hostages, they locked the Carter administration into an impossible position, in which its only option was a catastrophic rescue attempt. The Iranians had an enormous impact on the 1980 election, helping to defeat Carter and not releasing the hostages until Ronald Reagan was sworn in as president. They crippled a president once and might like to try it again.

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was involved in the hostage-taking and got a close-up view of how to manipulate the United States. Iran already undermined Bush's plans for a stable government in Iraq when it mobilized Shiite forces against the Baghdad government over the summer. Between that and the Israeli-Hezbollah conflict, Iran saw itself in a strong position. Iran then conducted a diplomatic offensive, as a former Iranian president and the current Iranian president both traveled to the United States and tried to make the case that they are more moderate than the Bush administration painted them.

With five weeks until the U.S. congressional midterm elections, the Iranians would love to be able to claim that Bush, having rejected their overtures, was brought down -- or at least crippled -- by Iran. There are rumors swirling about pending major attacks in Iraq by pro-Iranian forces. There are always rumors swirling in Iraq about attacks, but in this particular case, logic would give them credibility. The Iranians might be calculating that if Iranian-sponsored groups could inflict massive casualties on U.S. troops, it would affect the U.S. election enough to get a Democratic Congress in place -- which could cripple Bush's ability to wage war and further weaken the United States' position in the Middle East. This, of course, would increase Iran's standing in the region.

The Iranian perception is that the United States does not have the resources to launch either an invasion or massive airstrikes against Iran. The Bush administration's credibility on weapons of mass destruction (WMD) is too low for that to be regarded as a plausible excuse, and even if strikes were launched to take out WMD, that rationale would not justify an extended, multi-month bombing campaign. Since the Iranians believe the United States lacks the will and ability to try regime change from the air, Tehran is in a position to strike without putting itself at risk.

If the Iranians were to strike hard at the United States in Iraq, and the United States did not respond effectively, then the perception in key countries like Saudi Arabia -- a religious and geopolitical rival of Iran's -- would be that aligning with the United States is a dangerous move because the U.S. ability to protect them is not there, and therefore they need to make other arrangements. Since getting the Saudis' cooperation against al Qaeda was a major achievement for the Bush administration, this would be a major reversal. But if Riyadh perceived the United States as inherently weak, Riyadh would have no choice but to recalculate and relaunch its foreign policy.

Iran and others are feeling encouraged to take risks before the upcoming U.S. election -- either because they see this as a period of maximum American weakness or because they hope to influence the election and further weaken Bush. If they succeed, many U.S. allies will, like the Saudis, have to recalculate their positions relative to the United States and move away. The willingness of people in Iraq and Afghanistan to align with the United States will decline. If the United States is seen as a loser, it will become a loser. Furthermore, the NIE and the Woodward book create the perception that Bush has become isolated in his views and unable to control his own people. He needs to reverse this perception.

It is easy to write that. It is much harder to imagine how he will accomplish it, particularly if there is a major attack in Iraq or elsewhere. Bush's solution has been to refuse to bend. That worked for a while, but that strategy is no longer credible because it is not clear that Bush still has the option of not bending. The disarray in his administration and the real possibility of losing Congress means that merely remaining resolved is not enough. Bush needs to bring perceived order to the perceived chaos in the administration. Between the bad luck of degenerate congressmen and the intentions of the Iranians, he does not have many tools at his disposal. The things he might have done a year ago, like replacing Rumsfeld, are not an option now. It would smell of panic, and he cannot afford to be seen as panicky. Perhaps Bush's only option at this point is to remain self-assured and indifferent to the storm around him.

Whatever the perception in the United States, Bush's enemies overseas are not impressed by his self-assurance, and his allies are getting very worried that, like Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford, his political weakness will not allow him to control the U.S. course.

We believe that, in the end, reality governs perception. But we are not convinced that, in this case, the perception and the reality are not one and the same; and we are not convinced that, in the coming weeks, the perception is not in fact more important than the reality. And if the Republicans lose the upcoming elections, the perception that Bush lacks the plans and political power needed for decisive action will become the reality.

For Bush to be able to execute the foreign policy he wants, his party must win the midterm elections. For that to happen, Bush must get control of the political situation quickly. To do that, he must change the perception that his own administration is out of control.

Easy to write. Harder to do.
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Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

Meanwhile:

The American military reported today that a roadside bomb killed four soldiers on patrol here on Monday, bringing the total number of American troops killed that day to at least eight.

The death toll was the highest so far for American troops in Iraq’s capital since American and Iraqi soldiers began a stepped-up military campaign to stem the violence here.

American troops, along with their Iraqi counterparts, have been conducting neighborhood-by-neighborhood sweeps of some of Baghdad’s most violent areas as part of the second phase of a new security plan for the capital. So far, however, the violence, much of it sectarian in nature, has continued, spiking over the last week with the start of the holy month of Ramadan.

Since the military operations began in Baghdad in August, the previous highest number of American troops killed in a single day in the capital was four in mid-September. But many days have seen just one or two deaths of American soldiers in the capital or even sometimes none at all.

“Obviously, this was a tragic day with eight killed in 24 hours,” said Lt. Col. Barry Johnson, a military spokesman.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

as much as i wish the republican party to die a dreadful death, i've talked to enough core republican activists to believe that the upcoming election won't really effect the balance of power much. it doesn't really matter how many scandals the media reports. the republican core seems to be very loyal; no matter what comes out in the press, they just shrug it off as biased reporting and stick to their guns. i believe the republicans will hold their majority, although i hope i'm wrong.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 02:46 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, entirely likely. But that's why Frist's interesting little trial balloon says so much, really -- cause there'll be a lot more of that over the next couple of years, I'm betting.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

Unfun.

Iraqi authorities have taken a police brigade out of service and returned them to training because of "complicity" with death squads in the wake of a mass kidnapping in Baghdad this week, a U.S. military spokesman said Wednesday.

The kidnapping took place on Sunday, when gunmen stormed into a frozen meats factory in the Amil district and snatched 24 workers, shooting two others. The bodies of seven of the workers were found later but the fate of the others remains unknown.

And further:

Thirteen U.S. soldiers have been killed in Baghdad since Monday, the American military reported, registering the highest three-day death toll for U.S. forces in the capital since the start of the war.

The latest losses -- four soldiers were killed at 9 a.m. Wednesday by small-arms fire in northwest Baghdad -- are part of a recent spike in violence against U.S. forces that has claimed the lives of at least 24 soldiers and Marines across the country since Saturday, the military said.

The number of planted bombs is "at an all-time high," said Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell, a military spokesman, defying American efforts to staunch the vicious sectarian bloodshed in Baghdad that threatens to plunge the country into civil war.

"This has been a hard week for U.S. forces," Caldwell said at a news conference here, later adding: "This is not going to affect ongoing operations. Those will continue."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

'Just a comma'

...

Fuck you. FUCK YOU.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 October 2006 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

$20 mil in budget for victory parties:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/04/congress.iraq.ap/index.html

Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I loved that detail. Foolish, foolish people.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 October 2006 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

This is also rich:

Rice says, “Democracy is not something that … is for America to impose abroad. And certainly democracy will look — will take on different cultural tones, different forms, in every single country on earth.”

Ah. And we're in Iraq because...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 October 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

*vomit*

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 October 2006 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

You notice how Bush never does these things any more:

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice made a surprise visit to Baghdad today to support embattled Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki and urged the fragile Iraqi government to accelerate efforts on national reconciliation.

In a reflection of the deteriorating security situation here, however, Rice was forced to circle Baghdad for just under an hour because of a mortar attack near the airport.

Rice warned that the six-month-old government has reached a "critical time" and needs to make faster progress to diffuse the turmoil. Her visit came a day after U.S. military officials announced that the number of planted bombs in Iraq has reached "an all-time high" and 13 U.S. soldiers were killed in three days, the highest total for that time period since the start of the war.

"The security situation is not one that can be tolerated and is not one that is helped by political inaction," Rice told reporters traveling with her on the unexpected trip to Iraq, the fifth stop on her Middle East swing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 5 October 2006 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

I just read that too, I like how our policy basically amounts to: "please stop fighting, huh, please? You're making us look bad"

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 5 October 2006 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

Warner just got back from Iraq:

The Republican chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee yesterday offered a stark assessment of the situation in Iraq after a trip there this week, saying that parts of the country have taken "steps backwards" and that the United States is at risk of losing the campaign to control an increasingly violent Baghdad.

Sen. John W. Warner (Va.) told reporters on Capitol Hill that the Iraqi government is having trouble making strides and is incapable of providing even basic human necessities to people in certain areas of the country. Though Warner praised U.S. efforts to keep Iraq under control, he was far less optimistic about the situation there than he had been over the past three years.

Echoing the sentiments of several leading Democrats on his committee, Warner said he believes the United States may have to reevaluate its approach in Iraq if the situation does not improve dramatically over the next several months.

"I assure you, in two or three months, if this thing hasn't come to fruition and if this level of violence is not under control and this government able to function, I think it's a responsibility of our government internally to determine: Is there a change of course that we should take?" Warner said. "And I wouldn't take off the table any option at this time."

Warner and other senators traveled to Jordan, Iraq and Israel this week to discuss the security situation and to evaluate the progress of the Iraqi government. He said U.S. military commanders believe there is no way to reduce the number of U.S. troops in the region in the foreseeable future because of a steady increase in the level of violence, and he added that it is important to acknowledge the civil insurrection, sectarian violence, "unacceptable level" of killings and "heavy casualties" among U.S. forces there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 October 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and this little kicker at the end:

Warner acknowledged that, before the invasion of Iraq, there was a lack of understanding among members of Congress about how much it would take to give Iraq full sovereignty. He blamed himself for not aggressively asking such questions before the war.

Hey, don't worry dude. Just a comma.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 October 2006 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

quel surprise

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 6 October 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

(British) ITN reporter Terry Lloyd killed by US troops, inquest told:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/site/story/0,,1889272,00.html

StanM (StanM), Friday, 6 October 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

He blamed himself

...and the apology is in the mail.

Aimless (Aimless), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

Fun times:

http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/images/condivest.jpg

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

"One hundred and seventy-seven of the opposition party said, 'You know, we don't think we ought to be listening to the conversations of terrorists,' " Bush said at a fundraiser for Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Ariz.) before heading to Colorado for gubernatorial candidate Bob Beauprez.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 6 October 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

And more and more and...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 October 2006 05:13 (nineteen years ago)

this man is up to something

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 9 October 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

It's kinda what he does.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 October 2006 12:09 (nineteen years ago)

looks like bush may be preparing to cut and run - a strategy to reclaim the agenda post-midterm elections and get the war-yoke offa the gop's neck in time for 2008? doesn't seem like the w we know and love.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 9 October 2006 12:14 (nineteen years ago)

too true - what a schemer, the bush family fixer.

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 9 October 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 9 October 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

(called in by daddy)

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 9 October 2006 12:16 (nineteen years ago)

a strategy to reclaim the agenda post-midterm elections and get the war-yoke offa the gop's neck in time for 2008?

Far too positive a spin on W's mindset there.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 October 2006 12:59 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but its not his mindset is the thing

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 9 October 2006 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

In the deep lack of surprise category -- posted on Friday and getting more traction as it goes:

So yesterday, amidst the Foley grime and slime, some more consequential news: Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner, R-VA, returning from a trip to Iraq, offered a bleak assesment of the situation there.

"I assure you, in two or three months, if this thing hasn't come to fruition and if this level of violence is not under control and this government able to function, I think it's a responsibility of our government internally to determine: Is there a change of course that we should take?" Warner said. "And I wouldn't take off the table any option at this time."

Now today comes word fom Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, that two other Senate Republicans have told him they'll break with the White House Iraq strategy.

But here's the hook -- they won't do so until after the November elections.

"Two leading Republican Senators have come to me," Biden recalled, and said that after the election "the need to protect the president will be nonexistent" and Republicans will be freer to break with the White House and call for change in Iraq.

That's all fine and good in terms of 'oh, no surprise there' -- but then this reporter proves to be the biggest naif in the universe:

Assuming Biden's tale is correct, it will be interesting to see which Republicans wait until after November 7 to break ranks with the White House on Iraq.

I wonder how a Senator who opposes the current Iraq war policy -- but hasn't stated so publicly -- calculates how many lives it's acceptable to have killed pursuing that policy before stating his opposition to it ….for the sole purpose of protecting his political party in an election.

How do you do the math on that?

Holding the Senate is worth, say, 500 dead? One thousand? How many US troops? How many wounded?

How do you justify it in your head?

"Well, my opposition won't change much on the ground there in the short term, anyway"...?

"I oppose the policy, but I don’t want President Bush to get miffed at me for helping the Democrats sweep Connecticut"...?

God, sometimes it's hard to work in this town and not grow deeply cynical.

Yeah, you'd think, buddy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 October 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

one has to grow deeply cynical?

jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Monday, 9 October 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

The only idealists I'd trust are the deeply cynical ones.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 9 October 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

Is he being naive there or just being coy to make a point?

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Monday, 9 October 2006 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

We all know that Occidental potentates hold human life to be cheap.

Aimless (Aimless), Monday, 9 October 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

The light dawns on Ralph Peters -- it's not a perfect judgment (I really, really hate these 'jeez why don't the Iraqis do more' complaints) but even so:

By refusing to adequately increase active-duty numbers in the early phases of this struggle, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld ground down our Army and Marines - both the flesh-and-blood troops and their gear. We must not ask the understrength forces who've carried the burden of this fight to shoulder yet more weight.

Make no mistake: Were our nation directly threatened, our ground forces would surge to respond powerfully and effectively. But as far as Iraq goes, they've given their best. They're willing to die for our country. But we should never ask them to give their lives to postpone a political embarrassment.

This doesn't mean that we can't temporarily deploy additional brigades for specific missions. But it does mean that we've got to shoot dead any nonsense about adding tens of thousands more troops on a long-term basis. It won't help. All we can do now is hold open the door for the Iraqis to go through. It's their fight.

And we have to avoid letting Iraq develop a military-welfare dependency on us. While even a successful Iraqi force would need U.S. support for years to come, the issue is: Who will take the lead in combat? The Iraqis must do this themselves - and their moment of truth can no longer be delayed.

It's absurd to brag that Iraq now has 300,000 men in uniform if all most of them do is collect paychecks and duck responsibility - while backing their own ethnic and religious factions.

And, although it pains me to write it, we can't trust the judgment of our military officers as to whether Iraqi troops and police are making sufficient progress. Clientitis happens. Our trainers inevitably cling to the success stories, insisting, Yeah, those other guys poked the pooch - but Col. Mohammed's men are doing a great job.

Our advisers develop emotional bonds with their Iraqi charges and lose big-picture objectivity. When it comes to judging Iraqi progress, the only useful measure is the security situation. If the carnage continues unchallenged by the Iraqis, game over.

Iraq is not yet lost, but it's harder every day to be optimistic.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

60 bodies found in Baghdad today, meanwhile.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Bush kills 655,000 Iraqis.

http://www.juancole.com/2006/10/655000-dead-in-iraq-since-bush.html

wostyntje (wostyntje), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

A bit of an overstatement to say Bush did all that.

That said, 110 dead in 24 hours is just horrible.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

This looks big:

The Shiite-dominated parliament Wednesday passed a law allowing the formation of federal regions in Iraq, despite opposition from Sunni lawmakers and some Shiites who say it will dismember the country and fuel sectarian violence.

The Sunni coalition in parliament and two Shiite parties tried to prevent a vote on a bill by boycotting Wednesday's session to keep the 275-seat body from reaching the necessary 50 percent quorum.

But the quorum was reached with 140 lawmakers, who voted on each of the bill's some 200 articles individually, passing them all unanimously.

The law includes a provision that regions cannot be formed for another 18 months, a concession to Sunni concerns.

The federalism law sets up a system for allowing provinces to join together into autonomous regions that would hold considerable self-rule powers, a right given to them under the constitution adopted last year in a national referendum.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

Meantime:

The U.S. Army has plans to keep the current level of soldiers in Iraq through 2010, the top Army officer said Wednesday, a later date than any Bush administration or Pentagon officials have mentioned thus far.

The Army chief of staff, Gen. Peter J. Schoomaker, cautioned against reading too much into the planning, saying it is easier to pull back forces than to prepare and deploy units at the last minute.

"This is not a prediction that things are going poorly or better," Schoomaker told reporters. "It's just that I have to have enough ammo in the magazine that I can continue to shoot as long as they want us to shoot."

Currently there are 141,000 troops in Iraq, including 120,000 Army soldiers. Those soldiers are divided among 15 Army combat brigades plus other support units.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

Pretty amazing story here, which bizarrely doesn't seem to have commanded any attention at all so far in the US. I suspect this will change:

The head of the British Army has said the presence of UK armed forces in Iraq "exacerbates the security problems".

In an interview in the Daily Mail, Sir Richard Dannatt, Chief of the General Staff, is quoted as saying the British should "get out some time soon".

He also said: "Let's face it, the military campaign we fought in 2003, effectively kicked the door in."

...

In his interview, Sir Richard added that any initial tolerance "has largely turned to intolerance. That is a fact."

Sir Richard, who took on his role in August, also said planning for what happened after the initial successful war military offensive was "poor, probably based more on optimism than sound planning".

He said: "I don't say that the difficulties we are experiencing round the world are caused by our presence in Iraq but undoubtedly our presence in Iraq exacerbates them."

Sir Richard told the newspaper: "We are in a Muslim country and Muslims' views of foreigners in their country are quite clear.

"As a foreigner, you can be welcomed by being invited in a country, but we weren't invited certainly by those in Iraq at the time."

He added: "Whatever consent we may have had in the first place, may have turned to tolerance and has largely turned to intolerance."

The original Daily Mail piece is here. This is an absolutely fascinating and bizarre thing to see -- this isn't someone who is retired or out of the loop, this is the equivalent to Schoomaker over here in the States coming out with this, while serving in his post. As such it's an incredibly blatant undercutting of the current government line.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 October 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

Dannatt's official profile

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 October 2006 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

Interviewed on Today this morning, should be available in podcast form at some point soon.

In the interview he mentions that he had permission from the MOD and had a press officer with him.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/today/

It's becoming quite common for senior soldiers to speak quite candidly in the british media.

Ed (dali), Friday, 13 October 2006 05:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to work out what this means for Des Browne and his manouvering in the Labour Party.

Ed (dali), Friday, 13 October 2006 06:12 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's so convincing:

Mr Blair said transcripts of later radio interviews showed Sir Richard was saying "the same as we all are".

...

Speaking in St Andrews at the end of talks on Northern Ireland, the prime minister said the reason the government had been able to so far give up two provinces to Iraqi control was "precisely because the job has been done there."

He refused to be drawn on whether he agreed with quotes from Sir Richard published in the Daily Mail, saying only that later TV and radio interviews given by the general were more in context.

On the transcripts of those interviews Mr Blair said: "I agree with every word of it."

"He sets in proper context what he is actually saying. What he is saying about wanting the British forces out of Iraq is precisely the same as we're all saying. Our strategy is to withdraw from Iraq when the job is done."

Mr Blair said when Sir Richard talked about the troops' presence exacerbating problems in Iraq, he thought he was "absolutely right".

"I've said the same myself, in circumstances where the Iraqis are ready to take over control of areas and we're still there."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 October 2006 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Blair was later quoted further:

We're all the saying the same thing, and we have been for months. There is a complete and total agreement among myself, Sir Richard, President Bush, the MI5, Donald Rumsfeld, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Parliament, Funkadelic, Henry Kissinger, Muammar Gaddafi, Pope Benedict, Barney Frank, Barbara Woodhouse, Charles Manson, Tiger Woods, Charo, the Duke of Earl, Timothy McVeigh, Blake Edwards, H.R. Pufnstuf, Flavor Flav, Flannery O'Connor, Cliff Richards, and several species of woodland creatures. It's all the same thing isn't it?

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 13 October 2006 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

The 'secret letter from Iraq' that Time has been touting. Good read.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

And actually, I think this is the best part of it all:

Highest Unit Re-enlistment Rate — Any outfit that has been in Iraq recently. All the danger, all the hardship, all the time away from home, all the horror, all the frustrations with the fight here — all are outweighed by the desire for young men to be part of a band of brothers who will die for one another. They found what they were looking for when they enlisted out of high school. Man for man, they now have more combat experience than any Marines in the history of our Corps.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

Most Profound Man in Iraq — an unidentified farmer in a fairly remote area who, after being asked by Reconnaissance Marines if he had seen any foreign fighters in the area replied "Yes, you."

HUNTA-V (vahid), Friday, 13 October 2006 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm.

I am beginning to think the shift in the wind is about to become fixed. We'll see, but I'm using these three posts as a potential sign:

Zeyad, Iraqi blogger, on the death survey results:

One problem is that the people dismissing – or in some cases, rabidly attacking – the results of this study, including governmental officials who, arguably, have an interest in doing so, have offered no other alternative or not even a counter estimate. This is called denial. When you have no hard facts to discredit a scientific study, or worse, if you are forced to resort to absurd arguments, such as “the Iraqis are lying,” or “they interviewed insurgents,” or “the timing to publish this study was to affect American elections,” or "I don't like the results and they don't fit into my world view, therefore they have to be false," it is better for you to just shut up. From the short time I have been here, I am realising that some Americans have a hard time accepting facts that fly against their political persuasions.

Now I am aware that the study is being used here by both sides of the argument in the context of domestic American politics, and that pains me. As if it is different for Iraqis whether 50,000 Iraqis were killed as a result of the war or 600,000. The bottom line is that there is a steady increase in civilian deaths, that the health system is rapidly deteriorating, and that things are clearly not going in the right direction. The people who conducted the survey should be commended for attempting to find out, with the limited methods they had available. On the other hand, the people who are attacking them come across as indifferent to the suffering of Iraqis, especially when they have made no obvious effort to provide a more accurate body count. In fact, it looks like they are reluctant to do this.

By the way, these same statistical methods were used to count civilians deaths in Darfur, but then I didn’t see anyone objecting to that.

In regard to Iraqi governmental officials, it was their responsibility to provide reliable numbers, but when the Ministry of Health and the Baghdad Medico-legal Institute (Baghdad’s main mortuary) is under the control of Sadrists, who have prohibited access to medical records and morgue counts by the press, and who have an interest in manipulating numbers for their own political agendas, I would absolutely question their criticism of this study. And by the way, most cemeteries in Iraq would not accept a body without a death certificate, unless the bodies are buried in mass graves or backyards without reporting them to health authorities (look at this to understand why), which in this case the government would regard them as ‘missing.’ While working in hospitals and health centres in Iraq, it was sometimes my responsibility (when the late-night doctor was unavailable or, in some cases, sleeping) to oversee the checking in of corpses at the hospital and to issue a death certificate indicating the cause of the death. No certificate is issued without a body, and it is required that several copies are kept. IDs of dead people are shredded at the spot and their names are removed from their family’s food ration cards. The Ministry of Health should have access to certificates issued throughout the country over the last 3 years. And both the Defense and Interior ministries have their own counts. Now why isn’t any independent body looking into that information?

The conservative count of 100 civilian deaths per day in the Baghdad area is a standard number these days.

When I spoke at the ONA conference in Washington last Saturday, I was asked whether the Western media was neglecting the good news from Iraq. I answered that it used to be that way in the early days following the war, but that now they are failing to capture how bad it really is. Western reporters are holed up in their offices in Baghdad. Even their Iraqi stringers who do most of the actual reporting are now finding it increasingly difficult to venture into certain neighbourhoods of Baghdad. What about the rest of the country? How many reporters, Western or Iraqi, are there in the Anbar governorate? Ninewa? Diyala? Salah Al-Din? Babel? Maysan?

There also seems to be a common misconception here that large parts of the country are stable. In fact, not a day goes by without political and sectarian assassinations all over the south of Iraq, particularly in Basrah and Amara, but they always go unnoticed, except in some local media outlets. The ongoing conflict between political parties and militias to control resources in holy cities and in the oil-rich region of Basrah rarely gets a nod from the media every now and then, simply because there are very few coalition casualties over there. The same with Mosul and Kirkuk, both highly volatile areas. I am yet to see some good coverage on the deadly sectarian warfare in Baquba, northeast of Baghdad, which has the highest rate of unknown corpses dumped on the streets after the capital, and which was about to be announced an Islamic Emirate by the end of Ramadan. There are absolutley no numbers of civilian casualties from Anbar. There is no one to report them and the Iraqi government controls no territory there, while American troops are confined to their bases. And much, much less data from other governorates which give the impression of being 'stable.'

I have personally witnessed dozens of people killed in my neighbourhood over the last few months (15 people in the nearby vicinity of our house alone, over 4 months), and virtually none of them were mentioned in any media report while I was there. And that was in Baghdad where there is the highest density of journalists and media agencies. Don’t you think this is a common situation all over the country?

The Malkin-affiliated Hot Air, specifically Allahpundit, links and adds:

Zeyad’s always been my favorite of the Iraqi bloggers. He’s the best writer, in my opinion, and he’s always come across as eminently decent and fair-minded.

Further:

Peter Pace surprised CNN today when he told them the U.S. is reviewing its strategy. And Gen. Dannatt, the head of British forces in the country, is in spin mode now after having told the Daily Mail that they should pull out “soon.” Between this and the Baker report, I think we’re approaching endgame here.

He later links, disapprovingly (the question is over 'will'), to this post at RightWingNutHouse:

Instead, the Baker Commission, as it is coming to be called, was set up for the sole and exclusive purpose of giving both Republican and Democratic politicians cover for our retreat from Iraq.

...

The problem, as the elites see it, is that Iraq has stressed the army, complicated our relations with our friends in the Middle East, roiled domestic consensus at home to fight the War on Terror, and been a general distraction from what they believe should be our goal – getting to the “root causes” of terrorism and solving problems like the Israeli-Palestinian question as well as the insularity and poverty of Muslim states.

But why bother with the rest if you’re not planning on finishing the job? It has been my contention for many months – spelled out most recently here - that if we are not going to attempt victory then it is immoral to ask our men and women to place themselves in harm’s way for some face saving solution. That’s the Kissinger Viet Nam formulation. I thought it stupid, wasteful and immoral at the time and still feel that way today. The only business government has in asking young men to die is in the cause of victory. Anything less is state sponsored murder. In a free society and even with an all volunteer army, national leaders should not use the lives of its young men to make geopolitical statements or “save face,” or prove how much suffering we can endure (as the Nixon-Kissinger logic went after they decided we couldn’t win).

Once it is determined that we cannot win (or in this case, do not have the national will to win), we should admit defeat and withdraw the troops immediately. Whatever failed state Iraq becomes we will just have to deal with it in the context of the rest of the Global War on Terror. Yes it will complicate our efforts enormously. But we should have thought about that before wasting the selfless courage and spirit of our military in a war that we were not willing to see through to a victorious conclusion.

These conclusions aren't new per se, but similar ones like them are starting to bubble up more readily in Bush-worshipping corners. Three posts does not an exact trend make, granted, but I think in potential microcosm we're looking at the birth of something potentially very, very nasty, though I'm not comfortable with judging implications yet:

An example from Zeyad's comments as well:

At the risk of being dismissed as being in denial, I will say that I would look very seriously at the way this data was collected. I have been informed by people who have been to Iraq and dealt with Iraqis that they can come up with some of the most elaborate lies. And I would suggest that someone who discounts this possibility may be in denial as well. I am not saying this is fact, just a possibility.

Lynnette in Minnesota | 10.13.06 - 3:02 pm | #

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Lynnette, I'm sorry you think that way. Simple Iraqis do have a tendency to exaggerate things, but in this case 90% of the households produced death certificates. There is no reason for them to lie.

I think the number is high and that the study could have been done more accurately. But if you look at the trends of mortality rates published in the study, you can see that they follow IBC and DoD trends very closely.
Zeyad | Homepage | 10.13.06 - 6:10 pm | #

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 13 October 2006 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, it's been a *great* couple of days, really:

Families fled in search of safety Monday as open warfare raged for a fourth day between Shiite militias and armed Sunni men in Tigris River towns north of Baghdad. Militias allied with Iraq's Shiite-led government held sway in Balad city, forcing out Sunni families and leaving the bodies of slain Sunni men to rot in the streets, according to police, residents and hospital officials.

The Iraqi government deployed still more reinforcements to try to calm the embattled towns and hold open the main roads, Interior Ministry spokesman Abdul Kareem al-Kinani said in the capital. But local police officers accused Shiite-dominated government police forces of working alongside Shiite militias in executing Sunnis and appealed for more help.

The escalating violence in the Tigris River towns in many ways serves as a microcosm of the daily violence roiling Iraq. Sectarian attacks have increased more than tenfold since the start of the year and now claim more than 100 victims a day, according to the Iraqi government.

The violence in Balad was unusual because of the sustained deployment of the militias on the streets, and the killing seemed particularly vicious. Balad was "under siege from all sides," police 1st Lt. Bassim Hamdi said by telephone from the city. "We demand that leaders from both sides intervene to stop the bloodshed. Because if this goes on, it will explode sectarian violence all over Iraq."

As the carnage mounted, President Bush called Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to reassure the Iraqi leader of his support and assure him he was under no time pressure from the United States to curb sectarian violence.

Bush told Maliki he had no plans to pull out U.S. troops and advised him to ignore rumors that Washington intended to impose a two-month deadline for Iraq to rein in the violence, White House spokesman Tony Snow said in Washington.

Bush assured the Iraqi leader, " 'Don't worry, you still have our full support,' " Snow said.

Such sweet confidence.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

domestic support for the war hit record low yesterday

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

And from an updated version:

In a statement Tuesday, the U.S. military said it had provided assistance to Iraqi forces to calm the violence ''at the request of the Iraqi civic and military leaders.'' It did not say when the request came, or at what point in the four days of attacks U.S. troops began intervening.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

The inevitable begins:

Violence in Iraq could end "within months" if Iran and Syria joined efforts to stabilise the country, says Iraqi President Jalal Talabani.

He told the BBC the move would "be the beginning of the end of terrorism".

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

just carve it up already.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 October 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

A troubling Middle East era dawns
By Richard Haass

Published: October 16 2006 18:31 | Last updated: October 16 2006 18:31

It is just more than two centuries since Napoleon’s arrival in Egypt heralded the advent of a modern Middle East; but now – some 80 years after the demise of the Ottoman Empire, 50 years after the end of colonialism and less than 20 years after the end of the cold war – the American era in the region has ended.

Visions of a new Europe-like Middle East that is peaceful, prosperous and democratic will not be realised. Much more likely is the emergence of a new Middle East that will cause great harm to itself and the world.


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The American era was one in which, after the Soviet Union’s demise, the US enjoyed unprece-dented influence and freedom to act. What brought it to an end after less than two decades? Topping the list is the Bush administration’s decision to attack Iraq and its conduct of the operation and resulting occupation. Gone is a Sunni-dominated Iraq, strong and motivated enough to balance Shia Iran. Other factors include the demise of the Middle East peace process, a failure by traditional Arab regimes to counter the appeal of radical Islamism, and globalisation, which has made it easier for radicals to acquire funding, arms, ideas and recruits.

What will the new Middle East look like? The US will continue to enjoy more influence than any outside power, but its influence will be reduced from what it once was. Washington will increasingly be challenged by other outsiders, including the European Union, China and Russia. Even more important, though, will be the challenges emanating from local states and radical groups.

Iran will be one of the two most powerful states in the region. It is a classical imperial power, with ambitions to remake the region in its image and the potential to translate objectives into reality. Israel will be the other powerful local state, but one that is in a weaker position today than it was before this summer’s crisis in Lebanon. No viable peace process is likely for the foreseeable future. Israel’s government is too weak, unilateral disengagement has been discredited, there is no Palestinian partner able and willing to compromise and the US has forfeited much of its standing as an honest broker.

Iraq at best will remain messy for years to come, with a weak central government, a divided society and sectarian violence. At worst, it will become a failed state racked by all-out civil war that will draw in its neighbours.

The price of oil will stay high, with Iran and Saudi Arabia benefiting disproportionately. Regional institutions will remain weak.

Militias, both a product and a cause of weak states, will emerge throughout the region wherever there is a perceived or actual deficit of state authority and capacity. Terrorism will grow in sophistication. Tensions between Sunni and Shia will increase. Islam will fill the political and intellectual vacuum in the Arab world and provide a foundation for the politics of a majority of the region’s people.

All of this justifies great concern but not fatalism. There is a fundamental difference between a Middle East lacking formal peace agreements and one defined by terrorism, interstate conflict and civil war; or between one housing a powerful Iran and one dominated by Iran.

To be sure, there are things that can be done. Avoiding an over-reliance on military force is one. Force is not terribly useful against loosely organised militias and terrorists who are well armed, accepted by the local population and prepared to die for their cause. Nor is there reason to be confident that carrying out a preventive strike on Iranian nuclear installations would do more good than harm. Military force should be a last resort here.

No one should count on the emergence of democracy to pacify the region. Creating mature democracies is no easy task. Those who grow up in democracies can still carry out terrorism; those who win elections can opt for war. More useful would be actions that reform schools, promote economic liberalisation, encourage Arab and Muslim authorities to speak out in ways that de-legitimise terrorism and shame its supporters, and address grievances that motivate young men and women to take up terrorism.

Diplomacy is also called for. One step that could only help would be to establish a regional forum for Iraq’s neighbours to help manage events there akin to that used for Afghanistan. This would require ending US diplomatic isolation of both Iran and Syria, which in any event is not working. It would also be useful to revive diplomacy in the context of the Israel-Palestinian conflict, still the issue that most shapes and radicalises public opinion in the region. The goal at this point is not to bring the parties to Camp David or anywhere else but to begin to create conditions under which diplomacy could usefully be restarted.

No quick or easy fixes exist to solve the problems of this critical region. The Middle East will remain a troubled and troubling part of the world for decades to come. The challenge will be to contain the effects and to hasten the arrival of something better.

The writer is president of the Council on Foreign Relations. This article is based on his essay in the forthcoming November/December issue of Foreign Affairs


M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

just carve it up already.

Iraq will be as easy to carve up as Israel was. There are major mixed population centers.

It seems like we're past the tipping point as far as US involvement making any difference goes. But nothing will happen regarding a withdrawal until after the November elections - except holding a withdrawal over the Iraqi government's head. Note the US's pressure on al-Maliki to do something, anything. Now he's sacking heads of police, going after al-Sadr's lieutenants. Too little too late? How do you fix two years of escalating brutality? Unfortunately Haass' grim forecast for Iraq seems likely. For years to come we'll be hearing about the death counts coming out of Iraq.

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

Baker's proposal to negotiate with Iran shows how strong they are now. I blathered on in the Lebanon/Israel thread about how perfectly positioned that situation left Iran. It seems like they are coming out the winner in every confrontation the West enters - Iraq (we took out their worst enemy, Saddam, and paved the way for Shiite control of Iraq), Lebanon (humbling Israel through the proxy of Hezbollah), the nuclear issue (they know we've got our hands full with Iraq & N Korea).

The question is, how will Baker's appeasement keep them from setting up a proxy Shiaa authority in Iraq, similar to Hezbollah in Lebanon? Will a stronger Iran ever be a beneficial thing for US interests in the region?

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

Remember the dead.

The part that caught me the most was this:

With distant gunfire punctuating the night as the ceremony approached, Chavis's friends voiced questions about the war and this latest death. One asked: Was it worth the life of a 21-year-old about to propose to his girlfriend? Another wondered aloud: Who among us will die next? And a third asked: Why would God take the life of a devoted Christian who loved to sing gospel and write R&B songs?

The answer to the first I already know. The answer to the second I'd rather not contemplate. The answer to the third tends to beg the question.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

God hates Christians, obvy

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Ned, what's the latest from Stratfor?

Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Mostly they've been talking about North Korea.

Another story:

According to the United Nations, at least 6,599 Iraqi civilians were killed in July and August _ a record high. U.S. troop levels have risen above 140,000, and September was the second deadliest month of the year for American service members. The war has emerged as the key issue in next month's U.S. midterm elections.

Yet in recent months no more than 25 journalists have been embedded with the U.S. military in Iraq.

"This is a canary in the coal mines statistic," said Josh Friedman, director of international programs at Columbia University's School of Journalism, about the decrease. "The statistic actually tells us much more about the investment the media is making in covering the war. It's off the front pages."

...

Both journalists and U.S. military officers point to declining interest in the long-running story, and the high cost, both in money and danger, of coverage.

Declining interest. Charming.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Meantime:

At least 68 U.S. troops were killed in the first 2 1/2 weeks of October, according to independent databases and wire service counts; last month, 75 American military personnel were killed.

At the same time, least 767 Iraqis were killed in war-related violence and sectarian fighting during the first 17 days of this month, according to the Associated Press -- an average of 45 deaths per day, compared to an average daily death toll of about 27 over the last 18 months.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

it's like no one over there knows how to stage a good statue-knockdown for the cameras anymore

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

high tolerance for violence though

Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

And again, remember the dead:

Mahdi struggled for composure when he saw photos he thought showed Mahmoud and Ali. He noted the serial numbers, but was not 100 percent convinced.

"The torture was horrific," he remembers thinking when he saw the pictures. "It wasn't easy."

And remember:

Eight soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division will be court-martialed on murder charges stemming from their service in Iraq, including two who face a death sentence for allegedly raping a 14-year-old girl and killing her and her family, the military ordered Wednesday

And despair:

The Marines plan to send back to Iraq at least some reserve combat battalions that have already served one tour there, officials said Wednesday _ the first time such units would be returned to the war.

The plan _ designed to relieve some of the growing strain on active-duty Marines _ was approved by Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld on Tuesday, according to Lt. Col. Scott Fazekas, a Marine spokesman.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

Peters grumbles about counterinsurgency being unmasculine or something. (Lowry not impressed -- more harbringers of right-wing fracturing on these and similar points, I assume.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

This is all they're running for now, but...:

President Bush, in a one-on-one interview with George Stephanopoulos, acknowledged that comparisons between the current situation in Iraq and the 1968 Tet Offensive in Vietnam "could be right."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 18 October 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

Logic takes on new forms thanks to Mr. Goldberg in the LA Times:

Iraq Was a Worthy Mistake

We know now that invading Iraq was the wrong decision, but that doesn't vindicate the antiwar crowd.

Ah well, that's all right the...WHAT?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

Ned, the anitwar crowd is never right...

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 19 October 2006 12:51 (nineteen years ago)

Iraq Was a Worthy Mistake

We know now that invading Iraq was the wrong decision, but that doesn't vindicate the antiwar crowd.


It would be a lot easier to buy that argument if the administration had the humility and the real patriotism to make the changes necessary to show not only the American people but the Iraqis that we really did seek to emerge from this adventure with a better Iraq than we found it. Instead we are left with irrational personal loyalties, cronyism, corruption and general ineptitude. Even if the argument that we went into Iraq for the wrong reasons but we must stay for their and our own good is valid, how can anyone not talking long deep hits off of their crack bong alternated with huffing glue think that this administration is the one to carry on? The defense contractors are riddled with nepotism and sinecures, the DOD, like the French in both world wars have not caught up to the tactics and strategy necessary for success in modern counter-insurgency/assymetrical warfare, and the medicore minds behind all of this are more attached to the shibboleths and cant of their take on 'free market' ideology than they are either to learning empirically or to victory. These are the kind of boyish arm-chair soldiers who want to be Churchill, who expect the nation to fight to the last gasp like the citizens of Stalingrad or the Brits in WWII only they not only forget that those people had no choice but they omit that the struggle against Muslim extremist terror is not only going to be a long one, but like the struggle against communism, won not just by feats of arms. They have failed to make the war really national; there is no draft, they have downplayed any effect this might have on the nation, they've scapegoated their political opponents, and taken absolutely no contrary advice throughout their tenure in office. I predict it will be like Vietnam all over again and yet again, the jingoists will blame domestic opposition instead seeing their (our, I suppose) failures of imagination and resourcefulness. I wouldn't trust these fuckers to tend to my houseplants.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

Gen. Caldwell, pinko defeatist:

The American-led crackdown in Baghdad has not succeeded in reducing a “disheartening” level of violence across the capital and a new approach is needed, a military spokesman said today.

...

General Caldwell said that attacks in the Baghdad area went up 22 percent during the first three weeks of Ramadan in comparison with the three weeks before.

The crackdown, which began in August, “has made a difference in the focus areas but has not met our overall expectations in sustaining a reduction in the level of violence,” General Caldwell said, adding that American commanders were consulting with the Iraqi government on a change in plans.

...

The White House spokesman, Tony Snow, told reporters in Washington today that the general was not saying that the effort in Baghdad had been a failure.

“What he said is that the levels of violence had not been lowered in a way that met our expectations, and so what we’re doing is we’re adjusting to bring them down, which is what you’d expect,” Mr. Snow said.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

I am a conservative and a Republican party member. I believe in small government, free markets, strong defense, etc.,

So, why is he a Republican party member?

They've given us:

1. bigger-than-ever government
2. selfish crony capitalism (not free market)
3. weak defense with a horribly offensive stench

Truth is the best defense, but so are strong borders and secure ports.

the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 19 October 2006 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

I predict it will be like Vietnam all over again and yet again, the jingoists will blame domestic opposition instead seeing their (our, I suppose) failures of imagination and resourcefulness.

The funny thing is that the war was run without any serious domestic opposition - I mean people marched in the street, but they're the same people who always march in the street. Congress has not really been a spoiler to Bush's war plans, and his pick for Defense secretary is still running the show. I can't think of one thing the Administration can point to and say, "We would've won if you had just let us do X". The destruction of its credibility has truly come from within.

It's becoming plain to even the pro-war (or anti-terrorist, whatever) crowd that we can't keep Iraq from plunging into civil war through sheer force of will and military might.

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, Vietnam had the Chicago 7 and we have, what, Cindy Sheehan?

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

well I hardly ever march for shit and did more donating $$$/writing to congressmen/protesting against this war than any other issue ever and it didn't do shit. In the meantime, pretty much all my predictions about the war have come to pass or are coming to pass (no WMD, troops caught in middle of civil war, Iraq to be split a la the Balkans, US opinion to turn against the war circa the time US troop casualties exceed 9/11) - if anybody tries to say this colossal failure is somehow my fault... I dunno, I'll probably go absolutely apeshit.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

i hate to break it to you, but this is ALL your fault

gear (gear), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

You mean this is all Ned's fault. He keeps making those "It is [insert month] in Iraq" threads, which have had a major deleterious effect on our combat troops ability to wage an effective war on terror.

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 19 October 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

That and those nancys in the State Dept.

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 19 October 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

The Democrats don't want to look 'soft on terrorism' like they didn't want to look 'soft on crime' and thus committed the first mistake in politics: letting your opponent define the issues. I have yet to hear anyone on the 'left' detail how they owuld have done anything better with regards to Saddam and the U.N. resolutions and that's exactly where our problem lies. It wasn't that I didn't think that force might be needed against Saddam but I thought the goal was to enforce the U.N. resolutions (collective security arrangements being of prime importance, imho) not to effect regime change. The Wilsonian and Jacobin positions of the neo-cons might conceivably have been defensible had they (a) been thought out for the long term and with greater awareness, if not sensitivity, to the history of the region, and (b) honestly sold to the American and world opinion. Since, as everybody knows, neither Russsia nor China, not to mention France, would ever agree to that, the neo-con argument that failure to authorize force would weaken the status and prestige of the U.N. is almost exactly the opposite of the truth. No president has to allow the U.N. a veto over our security, but why is thumbing our nose at the U.N., the global collective security institution that was largely our creation, always the first thing and not the last that the right wants to do?

I think that in order to appear less weak, the Democrats have to state a few broad truths that can appeal broadly across the spectrum, perhaps such as:

(1) There are concrete thing that the Administration and Congress can do to physically protect the United States that have not been done, either in deference to corporate interests or because they've been busy playing at warrior messiahs. Under the Democrats, targeted (not blanket give-ways that give rural Idahoan towns unnessary funds) projects to protect ports, airports and border crossings from terrorist infiltration will be given higher priority.

(2) If, as Franklin had it, "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety," let us say to future candidates for public office, "If you cannot conceive of a way to protect this Republic and its core values; if you are either too lazy or too incompetent, please refrain from running for office. There are plenty of patriots who have ideas that do not aim to compromise either." The corollary to that is that struggles and wars are not won by arms alone but by morale and by the moral susasion that invites allies to collaborate and makes enemies hesitate. To tarnish the good name of the U.S. with torture, with rescinding habeas corpus, with granting the executive unacountable power to determine whether U.S. citizens (!) are 'enemy combattants, with granting intelligence agencies the right to warrantlessly wiretap instead of providing for a healthy number of round the clock judges specifially appointed for such matters, and all the numerous other ignominies thus far committed by Republicans because they are too freaked out, too lazy, too mean spirited, or too unimaginative, is not just un-American, it doesn't just debase the name of this great republic, but it actively serves to aid our enemies in the long run by reducing the sympathy of our friends and increasing the contempt of our enemies. As we have so often been told, this will be a long struggle so let's take the long view and do this right, retain our honor, our liberty, and our lives.

(3) War on the cheap doesn't work and no amount of wishful thinking will make needless tax cuts for the top 5% of wealthy Americans, nor outsourcing to private corporations, nor understaffing missions, nor over-extending our reach do the jobs we need to do. We're bogged down in Iraq, almost rudderless, and merely treading water in Afghanistan. If someone wishes to make the argument that we should stay in Iraq, that American and coalition forces can do more good than harm, then please let them come forward and say that this should be a national effort, not just for reservists and military personnel, not just for the most ardently patriotic of our youth, but for the whole nation, old and young, rich and poor alike and if that doesn't wash with a public which has been soured by six years of lies, deceit and failure to be forthcoming, let us begin to plan an orderly pull-out in consultation with the Iraqi government and with its neighbors and let us finish the job in Afghanistan and either root out the Taliban or provide the government in Kabul with the training, arms and materiel it needs to do so. The nuclear ambitions of North Korea and of Iran, the economic and environmental consequences of dependence on foreign oil, the increasinly grim results of global warming are all among looming security threats that have thus far been inadequately or fecklessly addressed by this administration and that's not so much of a surprise considering that they were concentrating on getting us into a war in 2003 instead of seeking solutions.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

I have yet to hear anyone on the 'left' detail how they owuld have done anything better with regards to Saddam and the U.N. resolutions and that's exactly where our problem lies. It wasn't that I didn't think that force might be needed against Saddam but I thought the goal was to enforce the U.N. resolutions (collective security arrangements being of prime importance, imho) not to effect regime change. The Wilsonian and Jacobin positions of the neo-cons might conceivably have been defensible had they (a) been thought out for the long term and with greater awareness, if not sensitivity, to the history of the region, and (b) honestly sold to the American and world opinion. Since, as everybody knows, neither Russsia nor China, not to mention France, would ever agree to that, the neo-con argument that failure to authorize force would weaken the status and prestige of the U.N. is almost exactly the opposite of the truth

Bravo. These are my positions -- or, rather, were. I'm rather disconsolate these days.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

nicely put.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

Indeed.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe I should have said Wyoming towns, but either way, i doubt that the Dems are going to pick up many votes there, regardless.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

I disagree.

the Adversary (but, still, a friend of yours) (Uri Frendimein), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm rather disconsolate these days.

I sympathise but politics isn't about perfect scenarios. It's about the reality on the ground. We may be knee-deep in shit but we still need to find a way out.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'm starting to shift toward withdrawal lately. The way I see it, we're faced with two terrible, terrible options - stay or withdraw, so it's only a matter of which one is less bad. Yes, there will be civil war if we leave, but there's essentially civil war now, and I'm beginning to think we really are making it worse.

We keep hearing about how training the Iraqi police and army is the answer, but we're obviously doing a shit job of that. We're not qualified and we don't have the resources. The people we're sending to "train" the Iraqi troops barely have any training themselves.

Meanwhile, we're putting ourselves in a VERY dangerous position where the only way I can see us responding militarily to any other crisis is with a draft.

I guess if, hypothetically, our efforts in Iraq could be much much better run I'd support our staying there, but they're not well-run, they never were, and they never will be without some massive changes.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

i doubt that the Dems are going to pick up many votes there

are you kidding? have you seen the response they're getting in certain races in Montana, Kansas, Idaho, etc?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm starting to shift toward withdrawal lately.

I go back and forth.

Oh, we're talking about Iraq, aren't we? Never mind.

Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

have you seen the response they're getting in certain races in Montana, Kansas, Idaho, etc?

I haven't, frankly, but that's heartening to hear.

Dan, :)

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

my position is basically that we should shepherd along the dividing up of the country and get the fuck out. Our troops could ostensibly play a key role as peacekeepers to prevent any full-scale genocides happening, but this idea that the Iraqi state is viable in its current formulation is, and always has been, a pipe dream. The only thing that ever kept the Sunnis, the Shi'ites, and the Kurds united as one country was brutal dictatorship (gee, just like the Balkans) and seeing as how we don't have the fortitude or desire to install a brutal dictatorship of our own, we should accept the reality that these three groups have no interest to live together in a democracy. At this point we're just dragging out the inevitable and stoking tensions by insisting on a totally unworkable course of action.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

I'm beginning to think that the very idea of a bunch of poorly trained, non-Arabic-speaking heavily armed 18-year-olds keeping Iraqis from kiling each other is absurd.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know if Shakey is overstating that, but I'm inclined to agree as I've stated before. Let the Iranians play godfather to the Shiia in the south and let the Sunni hook up with the Syrians or the Jordanians and someone, please, if you want to be Wilsonian (and honor that great man of Islam, Saladin) give the muthafuckin' Kurds their own country.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

Not to be all flag-wavey and shit, Hurting, but most are older than 18 and they're not really badly trained.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

in many situations I agree, but I do think that American military presence might prevent, say, the complete obliteration of entire villages, for example.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

(uh x-post)

also I have kind of a soft spot for Saladin.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

I also think the proposed scenario actually could be construed as a victory on the part of the US - in many ways it would be the true result of giving the Iraqis what they actually want, we "gave them their freedom" and they would be able to rule themselves as they saw fit, free from the yoke of any colonial-style-enforced central gov't. Of course, this is NOT the victory the neo-cons wanted or foresaw, so for them it is a total loss (and proof of their idiocy, that they were 100% wrong, etc.). But whoever comes into office after Bush could, rhetorically at least, make the case that this isn't a total loss. maybe.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

as much as i would like there to be a kurdish state, i doubt turkey would very much like that to happen.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the Turks would have to be bought off/mollified somehow.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

(its also highly debatable that three separate states would make the region any more "stable" than it was prior to the invasion, but you take what you can get...)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

The Turks and the Iranians can go fuck themselves should realize that the opportunity to expel their unruly Kurdish subjects to Kurdistan isn't such a bad thing.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

I've been pretty fascinated with Iranian/Persian history in recent years - just how old the culture is, and the fact that they are still major players in geopolitics after over 2 millenium. pretty amazing. Not sure if any other modern country can claim such a distinction (China, I guess...? Egypt doesn't count.)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

China, surely, but the breadth of Iranian cultural and linguistic influence in the Middel East and Central Asia is pretty impressive.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

China, I guess...?

UH.

Considering recorded Chinese history goes back over 6000 years, Iran is a puling baby in comparison.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

I've just started reading this, which shows that even in its 'quiet' years it was still a major force -- and the impact of this time is still strong today, obv.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

I don't mean to give China short-shrift, I'm just less familiar with their history (does anyone know when was their first contacts with the west were...?)

Persia's role in the development of "Western" civilization, on the other hand, is central (for example I just started reading Herodotus, and the main thread of his histories is Persia vs. the Greeks). Plus its been argued that Persians were the first monotheists, they've almost never been conquered (and never colonized), etc. Its kinda sad that America's picture of Iran is largely restricted to nutty flag-burning imams.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

Its kinda sad that America's picture of Iran is largely restricted to nutty flag-burning imams.

Except some of us grew up around Iranians, so that's not entirely true.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

(so did I except they all insisted on being called Persians - which I didn't understand at all at the time, but in retrospect makes total sense)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

why does egypt get short-shrift too? definitely a more influential country in the middle east, being the heart of sunni muslim thought and all.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 19 October 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

Well, Egypt as an independent political entity is a relatively recent phenomenon too. China's dynastic cycle goes up and down and there have been interregna but the concept and general organization of the Middle Kingdom has continued.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

that's not really what i mean.

hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

This is one of the most interesting communities of expatriate Persians

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

why does egypt get short-shrift too? definitely a more influential country in the middle east, being the heart of sunni muslim thought and all.

No continuity of language, I suppose. Up until Champollion, no-one had any idea how to translate hieroglyphs. After the Alexandrine conquest and then the Romans and then the Arabs, their civilization was too traumatized and while Al-Azhar University, one of the world's oldest universities, is justifiably famous, the decentralized nature of Islamic religious hierarchy means it's not really THE center of Sunni thought.

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

Egypt's been repeatedly colonized, is not as homogenous, has not maintained a consistent political identity, the Mamluks were all foreign monarchs (and their dynasty was relatively short-lived in terms of other Islamic centers of power), nothing they've done in the past 2 millenia matches the accomplishments of Ancient Egypt, in modern times they haven't held the sway Iran has in the Muslim world, etc etc.

(altho as a caveat I'll grant that Egypt's also got a claim as the originators of monotheism with Akhenaten)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:14 (nineteen years ago)

Ah, I had always heard that Freddie Mercury was Persian, not that he was a Parsi.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

the Parsi shit in Mumbai is super cool btw

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

Don't forget the influence of Nasser's cult of personality -- the first leader in the region to exploit fascist methodologies wholesale.

(xxpost obviously)

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

oh the Egyptians loved them some Nazis. Albeit largely for reasons of political expediency (didn't Sadat confess some Nazi sympathies as a youth at some point?) The general impact of Nazism on the Middle East is a depressing political marriage of convenience gone as horribly wrong as possible.

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

According to Paul Berman, there's a line between Sayyid Qutb's mid century crypto-fascism, Saddam, and Osama bin Laden; Berman was the first writer (that I remember) to use the term "Islamo-fascism" and was one of those liberals who influenced my response to Iraq.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Thursday, 19 October 2006 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

Assuming this is serious, then the jig really is up:

The growing doubts among GOP lawmakers about the administration's Iraq strategy, coupled with the prospect of Democratic wins in next month's midterm elections, will soon force the Bush administration to abandon its open-ended commitment to the war, according to lawmakers in both parties, foreign policy experts and others involved in policymaking.

Senior figures in both parties are coming to the conclusion that the Bush administration will be unable to achieve its goal of a stable, democratic Iraq within a politically feasible time frame. Agitation is growing in Congress for alternatives to the administration's strategy of keeping Iraq in one piece and getting its security forces up and running while 140,000 U.S. troops try to keep a lid on rapidly spreading sectarian violence.

Obviously this is hardly new talk in a ton of circles but if this is the lead story in the Post then it's bubbling up bigtime now. The impulse seems to be more Congressional than Administration-centered, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 October 2006 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

Remember the dead.

A 52-year-old inactive reservist, mind you -- until he was called up. Couldn't imagine why.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 October 2006 03:47 (nineteen years ago)

Troubling

M. White (Miguelito), Friday, 20 October 2006 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

I can't believe Sadr's doing this right after Maliki traveled all the way to Najaf to plead him to help.

So, are we going to go toe-to-toe with Sadr? Major turning point if he's starting to consolidate his control.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 20 October 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Allegedly they withdrew from the town.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 October 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Now sounds like it was a random skirmish that went overboard.

Edward III (edward iii), Friday, 20 October 2006 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

I linked this elsewhere but it deserves a post here. So much to say but for now, this:

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 20 October 2006 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

I think that's a bit overly cynical. I could see a soldier enjoying getting a cute drawing from a five-year-old very much, even if it won't bring his friends back or save his life. Course I'm just responding to the quote out of contest - didn't follow the link.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Saturday, 21 October 2006 00:57 (nineteen years ago)

You really should.

Michael Yon has a few things to say about the military PR effort.

And then there's this 'new timetable'...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 22 October 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

I read a news account of a market bombing today that killed three Iraqi civilians, and it described the attack as a suicide bombing. This struck me as especially disturbing, because suicide tactics traditionally are used for "high-value" targets. Suicide bombings in sectarian violence is a frightening omen.

Super Cub (Debito), Sunday, 22 October 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Course I'm just responding to the quote out of contest - didn't follow the link.

-- A-ron Hubbard (Hurtingchie...), October 20th, 2006.

You really should.

Ok, you're right. That's a great piece - maybe no new information in it, but maybe the best summation of the whole thing that I've read.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Monday, 23 October 2006 01:21 (nineteen years ago)

Meantime, this was an amusing kerfluffle.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 03:28 (nineteen years ago)

"Oh, did I say 'stupidity and arrogance'? I meant strong resolve."

Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

"Every day the corpses pile up in the capital like discarded furniture..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

also

MORGAN: I think that…yeah, we should have a lot more troops in the beginning. Look, I’m not a cheerleader for the President of the United States. Um, I…I believe that he made the right decision and he did it for the right reasons. I don’t agree with all of the way the war has been prosecuted. I think we should have gone in and just blitzed Iraq. We haven’t had a, a serious war, really, since WWII. We’ve had…

MATTHEWS: What would that mean, blitz?

MORGAN: It would have…it means that we should have gone in and be prepared to win it, not just to do…to avoid collateral damage. And I think that’s one of the mistakes that uh, this administration has made…

Putting aside her pathological need for more violence and some attempt to enjoin a Glorious Cause, I have to laugh at the really fucked up cheerleaders here. To the point where all the refs they make to WWII, they miss this one; we DID do blitzkrieg. Fast-moving mechanized infantry w/ air support was our "Shock & Awe" which is how we knocked over the country in less than 2 months.

but is this the line we're gunna hear from these assholes for the next few decades, a la Vietnam? that we didn't win b/c we didn't bomb/kill/nuke more folks?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of right-wing talking head rubbish here but the summation is of interest if only to see the continuing shift in the wind:

Charles Krauthammer calls the Iraqi government “a failure,” and Fred Barnes agrees: “Maliki has had his chance, he can’t do it.” Barry McCaffrey expects a new campaign after the election, and the routing of Moqtada al-Sadr. Bill Kristol thinks Maliki’s down and Rusmfeld is out—this year. Brit Hume trounces expectations of a change of course in Iraq.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

To the point where all the refs they make to WWII, they miss this one; we DID do blitzkrieg.

er um no. this is really confused.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

i mean i think what the us did in iraq was definitely similar to blitzkrieg, but not quite the same thing.

hstencil (hstencil), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Money well spent:

A former Iraqi minister has said that officials in the former interim government stole about $800m (£425m) meant for buying military equipment.

Former Finance Minister Ali Allawi told the US CBS network that about $1.2bn had been allocated for new weapons.

About $400m was spent on outdated equipment and the rest stolen, he said.

Mr Allawi said the UK and US had done little to recover the money or catch the suspects, who were "running around the world".

"We have not been given any serious, official support from either the United States or the UK or any of the surrounding Arab countries," he said.

"The only explanation I can come up with is that too many people in positions of power and authority in the new Iraq have been, in one way or another, found with their hands inside the cookie jar.

"And if they are brought to trial, it will cast a very disparaging light on those people who had supported them and brought them to this position of power and authority."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

"Throughout much of the city many Iraqis do not trust their own police forces." (Lack of surprise category, this.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

And I gotta say, this lead photo:

http://graphics10.nytimes.com/images/2006/10/22/world/22baghdad1.600.jpg

...just seems to capture everything right now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

i mean i think what the us did in iraq was definitely similar to blitzkrieg, but not quite the same thing.

That's what I meant. I was just laughing the pundity types who use the language; this being a rare case when one actually just came out and actually said to blitz them.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

And other dealings of the day:

The Iraqi capital, as the generals like to say, is the center of gravity for the larger American mission in Iraq. Their assessment is that if Baghdad is overwhelmed by sectarian strife, the cause of fostering a more stable Iraq will be lost. Conversely, if Baghdad can be improved, the effects will eventually be felt elsewhere in Iraq. In invading Iraq, American forces started from outside the country and fought their way in. The current strategy is essentially to work from the inside out.

“As Baghdad goes, so goes Iraq,” observed Lt. Gen. Peter W. Chiarelli, who commands American forces throughout Iraq.

Many ideas — new and not so new — are being discussed in Washington, like a sectarian division of Iraq (which the current government and many Iraqis oppose); and starting talks with Iraq’s neighbor, Iran (which the Iraqi government is already doing, but the United States is not). Some of these ideas look appealing simply because they have not been put to the test.

However the broader strategy may be amended, nothing can work if Baghdad becomes a war-torn Beirut. Baghdad security may not be a sufficient condition for a more stable Iraq, but it is a necessary condition for any alternative plan that does not simply abandon the Iraqis to their fate.

It is hard to see how any Iraq plan can work if the capital’s citizens cannot be protected.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know what disappoints me more after reading this story -- the knowledge that a term now exists called 'polytrauma' or this at the end:

Two weeks ago -- just over four months after the explosion in Afghanistan -- Wicks was using his restored brainpower to start making grand life plans. He wants to return to his sons and buy or build a bigger house. He wants to pass a fitness test for injured soldiers so that he can re-join the National Guard.

Wicks has to perform another five years of service -- only then will he be entitled to a full pension.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 23 October 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

The month continues:

"Reflecting on a month of unrelenting violence that has left hundreds of Iraqis and at least 89 U.S. soldiers dead, Casey said the situation in Iraq is "difficult . . . and it is likely to remain that way over the near term.""

"All this talk about rebuilding Iraq, but where is Iraq? Not here on this American base. Most of his audience are US soldiers."

"We become immune. Everyone is under threat in Baghdad."

"While the government wants you to think that they have no plan whatsoever, in fact they do have a plan. It is just the same stupid stay-the-course plan that has done us no good for three years running."

"Any move off the absolutes, with us or against us, stay the course vs. cut and run, and the whole thing starts to crack. Once the White House comes out for pragmatism and flexibility, that leaves them perilously close to embracing reality itself. And that, of course, is like the kryptonite of Bush's superherodom."

Over at NRO, Loyola pushes the patience line -- long after everyone else got tired -- but Lowry, in a classic 'too little too late' admission, says what was long clear:

For a president who talks so much about being a wartime leader and whose administration so emphasizes the prerogatives of the executive, Bush has been an oddly passive commander in chief. He often seems to be run by his government rather than the other way around. He rarely fires anyone. His deference to his generals is near total. He hasn’t acted at key moments to resolve debilitating bureaucratic battles within his administration. He might be the “decider,” but his deciding hasn’t reached down far enough to see that his strategic decisions are effectively implemented.

There is a crisis in Iraq for all to see. Bush has to make it plain that he sees it too, and that his government is going to react to it. If he doesn’t, his admirable resolve risks becoming a millstone around the neck of himself and his party.

And meanwhile:

Militiamen loyal to an anti-American cleric re-emerged yesterday in the southern city of Amarah, hunting down and killing four policemen from a rival militia in a brutal Shiite-on-Shiite settling of scores.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

"The events of the past month have been a serious concern to me, and a serious concern to the American people."

...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Q Mr. President, for several years you have been saying that America will stay the course in Iraq; you were committed to the policy. And now you say that, no, you're not saying, stay the course, that you're adapting to win, that you're showing flexibility. And as you mentioned, out of Baghdad we're now hearing about benchmarks and timetables from the Iraqi government, as relayed by American officials, to stop the sectarian violence.

In the past, Democrats and other critics of the war who talked about benchmarks and timetables were labeled as defeatists, defeat-o-crats, or people who wanted to cut and run. So why shouldn't the American people conclude that this is nothing from you other than semantic, rhetorical games and all politics two weeks before an election?

THE PRESIDENT: David, there is a significant difference between benchmarks for a government to achieve and a timetable for withdrawal. You're talking about -- when you're talking about the benchmarks, he's talking about the fact that we're working with the Iraqi government to have certain benchmarks to meet as a way to determine whether or not they're making the hard decisions necessary to achieve peace. I believe that's what you're referring to. And we're working with the Iraqi government to come up with benchmarks.

Listen, this is a sovereign government. It was elected by the people of Iraq. What we're asking them to do is to say, when do you think you're going to get this done, when can you get this done, so the people themselves in Iraq can see that the government is moving forward with a reconciliation plan and plans necessary to unify this government.

That is substantially different, David, from people saying, we want a time certain to get out of Iraq. As a matter of fact, the benchmarks will make it more likely we win. Withdrawing on an artificial timetable means we lose.

Now, I'm giving the speech -- you're asking me why I'm giving this speech today -- because there's -- I think I owe an explanation to the American people, and will continue to make explanations. The people need to know that we have a plan for victory. Like I said in my opening comments, I fully understand if the people think we don't have a plan for victory, they're not going to support the effort. And so I'll continue to speak out about our way forward.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

Meantime, over at opinionjournal.com, a letter from a guy currently serving who still supports being over there but, refreshingly, is not out to sugarcoat:

We need to backtrack. We need to publicly admit we're backtracking. This is the opening battle of the ideological struggle of the 21st century. We cannot afford to lose it because of political inconveniences. Reassert direct administration, put 400,000 to 500,000 American troops on the ground, disband most of the current Iraqi police and retrain and reindoctrinate the Iraqi army until it becomes a military that's fighting for a nation, not simply some sect or faction. Reassure the Iraqi people that we're going to provide them security and then follow through. Disarm the nation: Sunnis, Shias, militia groups, everyone. Issue national ID cards to everyone and control the movement of the population.

If these three things are done, you can actually start the Iraqi economy again. Once people have a sense of security, they'll be able to leave their houses to go to work. Tell your American commanders that it's OK to pass up bad news--because part of the problem is that these issues are not reaching above the battalion or brigade level due to the can-do, make-it-happen culture indoctrinated into our U.S. officers. While the attitude is admirable, it also creates barriers to recognizing and dealing with on-the-ground realities.

James, there's a lot more to this than I've written here. The short of it is, the situation is salvageable, but not with "stay the course" and certainly not with cut and run. However, the commitment required to save it is something I doubt the American public is willing to swallow. I just don't see the current administration with the political capital remaining in order to properly motivate and convince the American public (or the West in general) of the necessity of these actions.

At the same time, failure in Iraq would be worse than a dozen Somalias, and would render us as impotent and emasculated as we were in the days after Vietnam. There is a global cultural-ideological struggle being waged, and abdication from Iraq is tantamount to concession.

It might be me, but I see the failure in doubtless heartfelt posts like these being one of assuming the solution -- for the problem as framed here, not necessarily as it's framed in general -- is just lack of 'political capital' when at heart it's human resources and the money to back it up. Persuasive power is not enough, which he acknowledges. But he's also basically saying 'draft' in so many words but can't actually say it, and the amount of expenditure for all that would be insane. This isn't a new conclusion but the sheer lack of understanding that the resources just *aren't* there to be magically called up by a speech or two is kinda astonishing -- then again, I can but presume they are seeing things through their own lens of 'Well heck, I'm still motivated, and I'm sure most people are like me.' Big problem right there...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

al-Maliki, somewhat annoyed:

"I affirm that this government represents the will of the people and no one has the right to impose a timetable on it," Maliki said Wednesday at a nationally televised news conference. "The Americans have the right to review their policies, but we do not believe in a timetables."

With less than two weeks to go before critical midterm elections in the United States, Maliki accused U.S. officials of election-year grandstanding, saying that deadlines were not logical and were "the result of elections taking place right now that do not involve us."

Maliki's comments followed a deadly, early morning military raid in Sadr City, a teeming Shiite slum in eastern Baghdad with 2.5 million residents loyal to the charismatic, anti-U.S. Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. The aim of the operation was to capture the leader of a Shiite death squad, according to a U.S. military statement. It was unclear whether the target was among the casualties.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

ITN leads with Naomi Campbell

beeble (beeble), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

www.appealforredress.org

The page for the 100 active-duty guys who are openly petitioning Congress to get pulled out, and are working on getting a petition of 2000 active-duty signatures by MLK Day, 2007.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

has that ever happened before, non-drafted and currently serving soldiers publicly petitioning for an end to a war...?

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to see Congress get pulled out too - where do I sign?

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

Hmph. Byron York at the NRO talking about our beloved president in "a meeting with conservative journalists in the Oval Office Wednesday afternoon," presumably because they wouldn't ask him nasty question like in the morning. And the pearls of wisdom gleaned therein?

In today’s Iraq, the president conceded, it is the enemy, and not the United States, that is defining what victory means.

The frustration in the room stemmed not so much from internal divisions and paralysis in the Iraqi government, or lagging indicators like oil and energy production. Rather, it came from the fact that American forces simply do not seem to be winning the war — on anyone’s terms — and that most Americans are disinclined to leave the troops in Iraq without some clear movement toward victory.

...

“People, most of them, are out there saying, ‘What are you doing? Get after ‘em,’“ Bush said.
He’s heard it himself. “I’m from Texas,” Bush continued. “My buddies are saying, are you doing enough, not are you doing too little. They want to know, are we winning. They want to know, this mighty country, are we doing what it takes to win?”

It would be fair to say that no one fully knew the answer to that question. At times during the conversation, the president seemed vexed — not beaten, not downcast, but vexed — by conditions in Iraq. Bush didn’t say so, but from his words it seemed hard to deny that in some significant measure the insurgents and the sectarian killers are in control in the country, and that the fate of the American mission is in their hands. “The frustration is that the definition of success has now gotten to be, how many innocent people are dying?” the president said. “And if there’s a lot dying, it means the enemy is winning.” He paused. “That doesn’t mean they’re winning.”

...

The latest plan to retake the offensive on defining victory is the so-called benchmark. “The idea is to develop with the Iraqi government a series of benchmarks — oil, federalism, constitutional reform, there’s like 20 different things — and have that developed in a way that they’re comfortable with and we’re comfortable with,” Bush said. Progress toward those goals would give the administration new ways to point toward overall progress in Iraq.

Beyond that, the president seemed to be considering a plan to refine the country’s governmental structure in a way that would accommodate the Shiite, Sunni, and Kurd populations without dividing the country. “We’ve had a lot of people out there saying, split up the country,” Bush said. “That’s not going to work. But there are ways to achieve a more balanced federalism from what some people think is going to happen to them. There could be more — like Texas, we always want less federal, more state. And that’s the way — this balance can be achieved through negotiations. That’s what they’re trying to do.”

But in the end, there is still that frustration with a level of violence that U.S. forces don’t seem able to control. The consequences tear at Bush every day, but he remains convinced that the war will ultimately succeed. “If we can’t win, I’ll pull us out,” the president said.” “If I didn’t think it was noble and just and we can win, we’re gone. I can’t — I’m not going to keep those kids in there and have to deal with their loved ones. I can’t cover it up when I meet with a family who’s lost a child. I cry, I weep, I hug. And I’ve got to be able to look them in the eye and say, we’re going to win. I have to be able to do that. And I’m not a good faker.”

“And so what I’m telling you is — we’ll win this.”

What to say about this man. What to say. What HASN'T been said.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:09 (nineteen years ago)

I’ve got to be able to look them in the eye and say, we’re going to win. I have to be able to do that. And I’m not a good faker.”

He'd better start getting better at faking then.

A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:10 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, you know something? It's not a complete transcript of everything that was spoken or discussed in this group interview, but what hit me about that piece on a reread is that there is nothing -- nothing at ALL -- in there about the supposed larger goals about the war on terror blah blah blah. Sure, an al-Qaeda mention or two, big whoop. But it's so clearly become its full self-justified cycle now in his own words -- having been there, having stayed there, we somehow must stay there, etc. etc.

In a bit I didn't quote but I will now, Mark Steyn, who normally slobbers for anything right/Bush-like, says something direct and intelligent for once: "...it just seems to be a kind of thankless, semi-colonial, policing, defensive operation, with no end..." Which is exactly what it is! Sure he sets it up as a question to give Bush a chance to show something, but by obviously phrasing it that way, it can't but hang heavy, and Bush's answer is merely a lame 'well we're doing something but we can't tell you much about it' parry that answers nothing.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:17 (nineteen years ago)

And another bit to quote:

So if the U.S. chooses not to reveal how many of the enemy it has killed — and if, in any event, that death toll is not stopping the sectarian violence — then how does one assess what is going on? “I’ve thought long and hard about this, because it is precisely what is frustrating most people,” Bush said. “A lot of people are just saying, ‘You’re not doing enough to win. We’re not winning, you’re not doing enough to win, and I’m frustrated, I want it over with, with victory.’ And I’m trying to figure out a matrix that says things are getting better. I think that one way to measure is less violence than before, I guess…”

I feel better already.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 October 2006 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

"I'm not a good faker"!!! hahahahahahahahahahahaha

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 October 2006 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

Meantime, the Pentagon has decided its time to fight the real enemy. Because the war's actually being fought here, you see.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 October 2006 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

ROFL at "correcting" an editorial

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 26 October 2006 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Rumsfeld, projecting confidence:

The United States will increase its support for the Iraqi security forces, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said Thursday, saying it continues to be "enormously challenging" to quell the violence there.

Rumsfeld said he has done a new assessment of the progress of the Iraqi forces, and he was not satisfied.

"We intend to increase their budgets," he said, as well as their capabilities, and officials will work to help make the improvements more quickly. He did not cite any figures, however.

Rumsfeld also said people ought to "just back off" and stop demanding specific benchmarks or timelines for progress in Iraq, saying it is just too difficult to predict when the Iraqis can take control of their country.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Heard a brief interview with the Iraqi Security Minister on NPR just now - he claims al-Sadr has issued a statement ordering his army to avoid any conflicts and to keep their weapons in their houses. Posturing or is this something substantial?

Edward III (edward iii), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

it is just too difficult to predict when the Iraqis can take control of their country

As far as I can see, some of the Iraqis are doing a bang-up job of controlling various bits of Iraq. The basic problem is that they're not our bought and paid for Iraqis, but renegade Iraqis who got off the reservation.

Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

Meantime, the Pentagon has decided its time to fight the real enemy. Because the war's actually being fought here, you see.

"Nixon Steps Up Bombing Raids on New York Times"

M. White (Miguelito), Thursday, 26 October 2006 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Ralph Peters: KILL MUQTADA NOW. But how do you really feel?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

The whole piece is worth it in that it's the continuation of the logical tipping point for many on the right over these last few weeks, summed up as "Bush is a feckless drip and these damned Iraqis are treacherous bastards, therefore why the hell should we care?" How quickly they change their tune.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

y'know, killing a prominent and popular cleric of a religious sect based entirely on martyrdom is a really dumb idea. it should be LET MUQTADA DIE OLD AND IRRELEVANT.

hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

The Wall Street Journal says something not too far removed, namely, "Tsk, Mr. Maliki, how come you're not obeying our orders all the time?" McCarthy vents further. Etc. etc., all pretty much inevitable but I'm surprised it took this long.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 October 2006 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Lakoff wrote about the slogan switch in today's NYT, and brought up a point I hadn't thought of; that "this is not a cut-and-run strategy" has about the same effect as "I am not a crook."

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Friday, 27 October 2006 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Hilarity.

The AP earlier reported that a Maliki ally said the prime minister told Khalilzad in a meeting Friday, "I am a friend of the United States; but I am not America's man in Iraq."

Snow responded to that today, saying "He's not America's man in Iraq. The United States is there in a role to assist him. He's the prime minister -- he's the leader of the Iraqi people."

Snow also said, "What you've got in Maliki is a guy who is making decisions. He's making tough decisions, and he's showing toughness and he's also showing political skill in dealing with varying factions within his own country. And both leaders understand the political pressures going on."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 28 October 2006 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

Boston Globe is running a good multipart story right now:

Part one

Part two

Remaining parts to follow this week.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

Zakaria goes 'hmmm, problem.' But more affecting would have to be the photo gallery linked at the top, which though in black and white is still NSFW, I think. If you ever wondered what a thousand-yard-stare looks like, image four will tell you too much.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

Also striking -- a series of letters from a Marine who recently died. As the introduction appropriately notes:

He was no pacifist. His parents describe him as an unswerving Republican, and his own dispatches consistently defend the invasion of Iraq even as he anguishes over its dwindling prospects of success. "Don't mistake us for Cindy Sheehan," Pierre Secher told NEWSWEEK at his Memphis home (a reference to the California woman who became an iconic opponent of the war after her son's death in Iraq). "To me, pacifism could have led to Hitler's victory. We might have all been speaking German and Japanese right now." But as President George W. Bush speaks positively of setting benchmarks for Iraqi troops to "stand up" and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld declares that their training is going well, Captain Secher's messages from the front give a more complicated picture.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

hey tombot, don't worry about your boss, 'coz

"I think Donald Rumsfeld is the best thing that's happened to the Pentagon in 25 years," Boehner said. "This Pentagon and our military needs a transformation. And I think Donald Rumsfeld's the only man in America who knows where the bodies are buried at the Pentagon, has enough experience to help transform that institution."

oh yeah, and the pentagon is opening (another) Ministry of Truth. No word on if Professor Griff is available to head it. They gunna counter all the negative IMs!

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

I think Donald Rumsfeld's the only man in America who knows where the bodies are buried

Oh well DONE.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

And further joy:

A bustling market in Baghdad's Sadr City became the capital's latest killing ground early Monday when a bomb hidden amid trash and clutter exploded in a fiery inferno, killing at least 26 people and wounding 60, a spokesman at Iraq's Interior Ministry said.

The explosion occurred at about 7 a.m. at the busy Circle 55 intersection, a popular gathering point in the Shiite slum for construction laborers looking for a day's work. The blast spewed shards of metal, exploded three nearby cars and left a huge crater in the pavement.

U.S. and Iraqi forces had previously established a cordon around the teeming slum, which is controlled by the Mahdi Army militia, in an attempt to find a kidnapped U.S. soldier and a man known as Abu Diraa, who is considered Iraq's most notorious death squad leader.

Shiite leaders pointed to that U.S. operation Monday to accuse the Americans of complicity in the market blast, saying that because they were in charge of searching all vehicles going in and out of the area, they must have allowed in the bomb that was detonated at the market.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 30 October 2006 22:46 (nineteen years ago)

The continuing homefront collapse:

"It's going to affect Santorum," said Rep. Bill Shuster (R-Pa.), who lives in Hollidaysburg. "Voters who are turning against him are sending a clear message to President Bush about the war."

Shuster, a war supporter, expects to win his own race next week but frets that the vote will be as much as eight points tighter because of rising concerns about the war.

Brian Baum is less concerned about Republican political fortunes than he is about fraying local support for the war. "We can't pull out now — we can't leave," said Baum, a muscular security director for a local factory. "If we pull out now, what does that mean for all the guys who died? It's all for nothing?"

I'm really not sanguine about the future when it comes to attitudes like these.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 01:07 (nineteen years ago)

Fun fun:

The top U.S. military commander in Iraq, Gen. George W. Casey Jr., predicted last week that Iraqi security forces would be able to take control of the country in 12 to 18 months. But several days spent with American units training the Iraqi police illustrated why those soldiers on the ground believe it may take decades longer than Casey's assessment.

Seventy percent of the Iraqi police force has been infiltrated by militias, primarily the Mahdi Army, according to Shaw and other military police trainers. Police officers are too terrified to patrol enormous swaths of the capital. And while there are some good cops, many have been assassinated or are considering quitting the force.

"None of the Iraqi police are working to make their country better," said Brig. Gen. Salah al-Ani, chief of police for the western half of Baghdad. "They're working for the militias or to put money in their pocket."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

And also:

Ten months into a year-long effort to transfer control of Iraq's reconstruction to the Iraqis, federal auditors say, the government there is spending very little of its own money on projects, while the process for handing off U.S.-funded work "appears to have broken down," according to findings released yesterday.

The fledgling Iraqi government, in power since May, has about $6 billion this year to devote to major rebuilding projects, representing about 20 percent of its overall budget. But auditors with the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction found that beyond paying employee salaries and administrative expenses, only a small amount of money is being spent on actual work. Auditors blamed "bureaucratic resistance within the Ministry of Finance, which traditionally has been slow to provide funds."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 06:12 (nineteen years ago)

I find this digg comments set weird and depressing.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 09:52 (nineteen years ago)

Part three of the Boston Globe story.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 31 October 2006 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Bechtel cuts and runs

kyle (akmonday), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 05:43 (nineteen years ago)

And who can blame them. Some sweet handshake deal somewhere is biting them in the ass right now.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 1 November 2006 05:52 (nineteen years ago)


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