it's a bird, it's a plane, it's a new nbc tv show called Heroes

I think the comicbook is the most amazing thing about it so far. Normally, if you have a comicbook in a superhero setting it brings up all kinds of questions that get left unasked and drive me crazy. This time they're actually asking those questions. Like the kid with the red towel around his neck watching the nurse jump off the jungle gym.

Hiro is definitely my favorite character, not just because he has the way coolest power. Wants-to-fly guy is totally not going to fly until the season (possibly series?) finale, when all HOPE is LOST. I kind of can't believe this show is on network tv, I mean, that person was PEGGED to the wall with like SCISSORS and MARKERS and shit, blood everywhere!

QUERSTOINS:

Does anyone think "Sylar" is actually "Las Vegas Niki" or whatever (mirror girl) when she blacks out?

What's up with the black man who the pilot from LOST couldn't mind-read? Is he blocking it? Does he know who he is and is just all zen-like mind-blanking it? WTF.

Also, I'm pretty sure cheerleader's dad is Sylar, who I'm also pretty sure is eating the brains of the sub-X-Men or whatever we want to call them, to take their powers. If he eats her brain though this is bad news because he will be indestructible.

Did anybody who watched this get the impression that junkie artist guy is actually going to somehow CAUSE the nuclear boom? Cuz I did.

ah, yes, emo-hair guy is a mimic! so he would also be able to see/draw the future if with junkie artist guy.

if sylar is claire's (adoptive) dad then why doesn't he eat her brainz? b/c his caring-father role seems to be a ruse. perhaps he's a henchman.

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I loved that, after Hiro in last(?) episode was like "a hero doesn't use his powers for monetary gain", goes on Vegas gambling spree, only to get DECKED. NBC be karma policin'.

Yes. He reminds me of a creepy older brother of one of my friends from middle school. He never showered and ended up going to a juvenile detention center for beating up a girl in his class.

yeah, i'm having the same dillema... ilc one started first and there is comix talk, so i think i'm going to go with that for the most part.

Anyway, I just caught up with all the episodes - first three were a little bland but set things up nicely and this last two were awesome!

The latest one is grebt - flying future Congressman and setting up connections and so on. Also, the less I see of documentary-voiceover Indian scientist and his art-school neighbour the better.

About cheerleader's dad - why clean out telepathic cop's memory over just 2 days but not his powers? I'm not sure if he's as devious as he seems. He might turn out to have been working with Chandra Suresh - we already know his research went into some pretty extensively.

I don't think Nikki's husband is a teleporter - it kinda seems like invisibility to me. The kid probably has powers too and keeping it a secret. He seems to know too much, but that could just as easily be due to him being a boy genius.

Subtle Lack Of Subtlety

ps haha for the first time I am made to root for the returned fugitive dad to beat his wife

I don't think prophecy is dude's only superpower.

*vaguely ominous group of others who are aware of our heroes
*junkie trying to make right
*infiltrator (Eden vs Ethan)
*black father/son duo, reunited after being separated & mom who unjustly kept them apart
*"daddy issues"
*waivering faith in their mission (Mohinder and/or Hiro vs Locke)
*comic book in earliest episodes used as foreshadowing device

i like it when nick gets bored and makes lists.
yeah, i couldn't help but compare it to Lost too, for sure. i find it way more fun though, esp the hiro storyline (i still love Lost though, in a dif way.)

re: cheerleader dad - yeah, at the end when pixie girl told him that the message was 'save the cheerleader', he seemed surprised/worried, so who knows who's side he's on...

i'm stoked on seeing what mica's powers are.

*wheelchair twist

This was a good episode, although I think it's weird they never adressed psychic cop pilot-from-LOST guy's freakout at the convenience store. Also was a little disappointed Hiro & Ando and DL & Micah didn't hook-up & travel together.

Prediction: that painting Peter is trying to get from Linderman (Isaac's painting) will tell them where Claire is (maybe a pic of her uniform w/ high school's name on it?). And I am warming up to Milo Ventiwhatever as an actor, based mostly on the dinner w/ press guy scene.

ps press guy seemed vaguely Benry LinusGale-esque, like the director said "talk like that new bad guy on LOST".

- white robed funeral on beach
- accelerated introduction of new characters while leaving many mysteries unanswered

This episode was kind of slow but still very watchable. The whole Hiro/girl in diner/Sylar bit was really excellent (that kid that plays Hiro is awesome, I love him), and it's nice to finally understand a bit of what Cheerleader Dad Guy is all about. Also OMG waif-girl is apparently a mutant/whatever also! And it is so obvious new radiation guy is going to be involved in the big nucyoolar explosion. But what happened to Hiro, did he save that girl? And will Hott Indian Guy come back to America now, and will his dead sister come with him? And what is Isaac painting this time?

Hooray for fun show!

Hiro is the man.

Also, how the hell does Cheerleader Dad Guy know that Sylar is going to attack his "daughter" at her Homecoming? Is he too a precog? WTF? And does he NOT want psychic cop guy on his side?

I think he knows where Sylar has been, he knows the general direction Sylar is headed (both based on his attack pattern) and he knows, from the precog guy, that his daughter is going to be in harm's way at her school (I'm presuming there are visual clues in the paintings that allude to homecoming that I'm not remembering right now). The rest is desperate conjecture.

I like how they made you think Sylar and Cheerleader Dad were connected at the beginning, then started breaking them apart to seem like two competing-yet-almost-equally-sinister forces working against the protagonists. I can't wait until the end of the season when they tie them back together (my conjecture).

He got his powers from Heather Locklear's vagine, which he had access to on Dynasty.

So hooray actually kind of exciting episode (Mohinder is SO BORING though)! Looking forward to Peter getting better at power-mooching (esp for now-inevitable Peter / Sylar rematch). I was thinking maybe possibly as he gets better he might be able to hold onto mooched powers indefinitely (making him perfect foil for power-collector Sylar). Loved the poetic justice of Jackie's death, that BITCH.

Kind of disappointed for lack of Hiro-time, also it seems he went back to before that girls powers had manifested. But wtf is he up to in present day/time? Why is he not there to meet Ando? And did Charlie (Ms. Learns-A-Lot) die anyway?

I didn't think I would ever cheer for Teh Haitian, but hey, it happened. Want more info though about waif-girl (for a waif-girl she's kind of got a gloriously huge ass) and her old jedi mind tricks.

Also, how pissed is Flying Petrelli going to be now? Peter has totally just lost him the election.

Also also, what happened to Radioactive Ted? It seems fairly obvious that Isaac's new painting is of him (or possibly Sylar after eating Ted's brain for Radioactive Man powers), not to mention that Radioactive Ted is going to have something to do with big dooKAHW in NYC.

cf. emo/waif/Addams chix0r on teh 4400

*dies of own dorkitude*

Also, teh power-stealing hypothesis remains pure conjecture. All we've seen of Sylar so far is that he knows TK and he's not afraid to use it.

Old TK slowing-down-teh-molecules trick?

Jesus, how far can I be led down the Way of the Dork?

I am probably going to post the shit out of you in a few hours, so I'm going to put you on the new answers page so you are more easily findable in my inevitable blizzard of stokedness.

Yr pal,

one of many toadies we all know Sylar is going to have by season 3

i am kind of glad my antennae thingy is broken so i'll just have to dl this tomorrow and put it in the line-up behind 'rome' and 'battlestar' - why so many shows i like? :/
omg and 'lost' starts soonish too, doesn't it?

rrrrrrrobyn, SIXTEEN DAYS!

FIVE MINUES TIL SHOWTIME.

So how long til we actually see Linderman?

those roaches are something anyway, yeah

"who needs god when you've got me", in a padded room with somehow dramatic lighting - television classics meet comicbook classics, i'm telling you - that's what this show is about

worst storyline: psychic alias cop and his wife (boring, divorce already) and Clea Duvall's horrible acting job as the fbi agent

Best bit of show = anything at all to do with Hiro. "Greato Scotto" when he tried to phone Ando in Japan and ended up talking to other-timeline Hiro = total shit-losing time.

I'm thinking she'll die in some horrific Sylar-related mishap -- well, that's what I'm hoping for, anyway.

Coming up:

the character of Claude, played by Christopher Eccleston will utter the phrase "Fantastic!" in this episode. This was Eccleston's trademark phrase when he played the lead role in Doctor Who in 2005.

Also: George Takei!

Fantastic!

Dr Invisible Who Man was fucking FANTASTIC! in this episode, am really looking forward to him/Peter Petrelli's Yoda/Luke training in the coming episodes. I love that he's all beer-gutty mangy-haired beardedly disheveled, this is what an invisible man would look like.

Also really looking forward to more of the other 2 new characters that were introduced in this ep (if you haven't seen it let's just say parents just don't understand - or maybe they REALLY DO understand).

I had a serious problem with the "previously on" thing at the beginning - they showed a fragment of a Peter Petrelli/Sylar scene that has never (yet) happened! Fuck that.

Next week's ep will probably be way better, this ep was waaaaay too slow for me.

Save the cheerleader, save the world?

According to that Ausiello guy @ TV Guide, it is rumored that MALCOLM MCDOWELL has been cast as Linderman!!!!

Primatech Paper to Onimo

Thank you for your interest in Primatech Paper. We will be in contact once we evaluate your application.

I am excited by Gerry's move towards employment with Primatech Paper. Please don't kill me with your superpowerish ways though :-/

Claire's dad paper dude totally has the same specs as Michael Douglas in Falling Down, and I keep wanting him to go postal on dudes with a baseball bat as a result.

Wut?
Eccles throwing Pete off the building!
Firemom + Flydad = INVINCIBLE!
No annoying not-really-Indian-guy!
"It is so funny how all y'all call him Mr. Bennet over there. I've always just known him as —-- Stop that you, no more shoes!"
Sylar getting beyond mad-serial-killer and into Kinda Creepy!
Not enough Hiro and Ando :(
Niki/Jessica still meh :(

And then punching him in the face!

* actually, I didn't because I am not a geek

-- ailsa (ailsa.watso...), February 7th, 2007 10:33 PM.

If you wanted, I could have told you the ILC version of this was more fun.

I'm not sure how I felt about the finale, except that

Molly + Micah = cutest couple ever!!

And the new Heroes spinoff sounds great. The more Heroes, the better.

wtf, what a horrible season ender. I'm kind of baffled that they could end it so lamely (except for the Hiro epilogue, which was cool). I thought I read somewhere that they spent a shitload on effects for the final episode; where did that money go? NOTHING HAPPENED!

anyway next season better recover really well from this, and Peter and Nathan better not be dead, otherwise, who cares?

Actually I kind of like that the overarching season arc was "the redemption of Nathan Petrelli". Also, if Peter is dead they are really, really really screwed when Sylar (or the thing in the sewer that ate Sylar) (!) comes back.

I also have to sy that I don't really care if Peter did actually die because he was Whiny McBlouse for most of the season and I thought practically every other character except maybe Isaac was more interesting.

What I can't figure is why Nathan needed to fly Peter into space. Peter can fly!

did something eat sylar or did he just crawl into the sewer? it wasn't clear. although there obv is something else more evil, that's what the girl was saying she didn't like to think about (because he could see her when she saw him).

I'm assuming peter will be back because they've got to do something with the dead guy he used to take care of

also, is eccleston coming back? I know they were trying to get him. WTF eccleston, King of One Series Then Off to Something Else

Molly + Micah = cutest couple ever!!

Hahaha yes.

Except for Hiro/Ando's hijinks and Claire jumping out a window, this season finale sucked!

I like how they used sound effects to let us know that Peter had mooched Nikki's power.

I thought about that - wouldn't that split him in half? Is there maybe now an evil Peter lurking around in mirrors? Maybe with a big facial scar?

let's hope. OMG his mirror image = nathan lives!

from above: in the season finale superman comes in and reverses the rotation of the earth to prevent armageddon but it exhausts him so much he must rely on the lesser superheros to save the world, will they???? we wont know until next season.

this is almost what happened!

Totally underwhelming.

When did Peter mooch Nikki's power? Was he using her fists o' steel to beat the hell out of Sylar? I didn't even notice.

I also don't understand why Claire couldn't shoot Peter, when we all know that he can come back to life. Why did they act as if he'd be dead permanently? Or yeah, why didn't Peter fly away on his own? Maybe he can only use one borrowed power at a time, but I think it's more likely that the writers don't know what they're doing.

The only two thing that annoyed me more than Peter not just taking off into space on his own:

Linderman. They set him up as the all powerful Ozymandias/deus ex machina character for 20 episodes and running. They get Malcolm McDowell to play him. They demonstrate his ability to heal all organic matter. He monologues about grand plans and the future, all so D.L. can punch him in the brain in his third episode? Really?

Candace: They spent at least 10 minutes of a recent episode implying that Candace (the illusion generating one) was actually fat, ugly/deformed, male or some mixture of those things, and that the Missy Peregrym exterior was merely how she chose to present herself.

So, Niki knocks her out and what do we get? Unconscious Missy Peregrym. Were they too cheap to pay for a fat extra or some scar makeup, or did they just forget that they had set that up?

The finale was, as everyone seems to agree, massively underwhelming and not at all worthy of the episodes that led up to it. I think they were building up to an Alan Moore in Watchmen, bomb actually goes off sort of finale, and NBC called them up and said "Oh no you don't. This is our only new hit show, you are going to do another season next fall and it will be EXACTLY like this season, Comprende?"

Still, up until the finale it really was quite good.

No way. They were NEVER going to nuke NYC. Not a chance in hell.

I prefer these kinds of finales...cliffhanger finales make you spend your summer wondering about how a handful of specific events will unfold, which usually get resolved somehow in the first few eps of the following season, while finales such as this one make you think about about the show's events on a more broader scale. Maybe that's just me though.

I don't think the infrastructure need to deal with the complaint letters/emails/phone calls they'd get exists should they have decided to nuke nyc!

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Didn't 24 nuke - I forget - Louisville or some other major/minor burg this year? Of course, 24 is a totally different kind of show (I'm guessing, I never watched it.)

I actually thought it was a great finale, rather than an eye-popping screaming big special fx blowout it was kind of emotional and dare I say subdued.

I was disappointed however in that I swear NBC had run commercials claiming the finale was going to be 2 hours, and 2 hours it definitely wasn't (it looks to me like the last episode and this one were originally supposed to be one mega-ep, but were split I guess so the finale would be in sweeps week).

I also don't understand why Claire couldn't shoot Peter, when we all know that he can come back to life.

yeah i wondered that also. pretty massive continuity problem there. also, agreed on the whole linderman anti-climax. this show suddenly seems very obviously written by the guy who made Crossing Jordon, sloppy and lame.

I thought Crossing Jordan guy was Carlton Cuse/L O S T.

I was wrong: Cuse did Brisco County Jr/Nash Bridges.

Peter would not be able to regenerate if his brain were damaged.

duh. she was going to shoot him where that piece of glass sylar shanked him with went.

Peter not flying on his own is a bit harder to explain.

I didn't mind the redemptive ending, but the sylar fight was very much lacking. If something did come up from the sewers and eat sylar, that'd be bad ass.

That'd be the thing that Molly said was worse than Sylar because if she thought of it not only could she see it but it could see her right back, yes?

(we had the "Tommy Lee Jones in Space Cowboys" ending sussed a while back but I appear to have not posted it on the interwebs)

Also, even if Linderman is dead, I'm sure that the story of he and Mr. Petrelli in the War will be told, so he will almost certainly be back on the show next season.

Sylar was playing dead, seeing as he had just had a vision of what would happen. The cockroach on the manhole cover also seemed to suggest that Sylar escaped on his own.

The secret to this show is to realize that it's not a teleological narrative, and its strengths lie in the style and flair through which the stories are told. Non-comics readers might not be acclimated to this sort of though; comics, especially longform serial titles, are endless iterations of story arcs that oftentimes traffic in EPIC BATTLES FOR THE FATE OF THE WORLD, again and again, so by the time you've read a story where the world is saved after some monumental struggle for the nth time, you start to realize that the resolution is less important than how we got there. While I'm disappointed that there wasn't a gnarly setpiece between Sylar and the good guys, Heroes bypassed the very notion of a resolution-based episode -- and WAS FRAKKING AWESOME YOU DORKS -- to set up a new narrative iteration.

The shooting Peter thing still doesn't make sense. She could've just shot him in the chest. It would've killed him or at least caused him to lose conciousness, which stopped the hand-glowing earlier in the episode. Then they'd extract the bullet and he'd be fine.

I'm with Leee here, but then we are both on ILC. This was a very comics final episode. I can see the issues with Peter not flying off himself, plus we have to remember Ted could survive his own explosions so there's no reason Pete can't too - and then kills Nathan, well, he falls to the ground, so what - but this happens in comics all the time.

maybe it was intentionally inconsistent so people could get all Comic Book Guy about it

i agree with leeee too - i thought it was pretty awesome and weirdly sedated and kind of mystical. i am all about the time travel stuff and the space-time messed up narrative and character arcs - more!

i am already freaked out about whoever cutest-tracking-system-in-the-world is afraid of. ooh.

xpost @ akm: Worst post WHATEVER.

for a show that is actually kind of dumb, I've found it really confusing plot wise, actually

I think it's kind of hard to concentrate on your flying skills when you're about to explode. Dude needed help, needed his brother.

The shooting thing - the glass thing indicates that there's a part of the brain responsible for controlling regeneration. I think that whole plot was thrown in to show us that Pete and Claire can be destroyed - all hereos need a weak spot.

I loved the finale. How To Stop A Man Exploding was secondary to where the characters got to, and that there now seems to be a coherent group of them and plenty of possible nasties around the corner.

Sylar/Swampthing
The evil that "sees" Holly
Mama Petrelli hasn't shown us her power yet
Linderman may heal
17th century Japanese dudes wtf

"Hiro, you look bad ass!"

Hereos! The breakfast of champions!

Linderman may heal

I read something somewhere that Linderman can't heal himself and/or can't bring the dead back to life.

Claire jumping out of the window was pretty great.

Doubly great was Sylar throwing the bullets back into mindreaders chest.

> Claire jumping out of the window was pretty great.

Yeah, but Pappa Nate and Granny Petrelli deciding to let her get away was not explained at all, except to set up a future plot twist.

The episode was incredibly great except for the fact that D.L. lives. It means there will be more of that weirdly intense Shatner dad thing he does next season.

aw, everyone kinda bullied and piled onto poor Sylar at the end there. I hadn't felt that sorry for him since he was in Weezer.

So its like totally obvious to everyone else that the ending of this season is dude with Rogue's powers is about to blow up NYC until his brother, finally coming to grips with his powers, grabs him and flies him up into the atmosphere, right? Or am I projecting?
-- max (maxreax), Tuesday, 30 January 2007 00:08 (3 months ago) Link

NYC is conspicuously empty while all this is happening.

Mama Petrelli hasn't shown us her power yet

shoplifting? weird that she goes from lonely bat who steals socks to power mad, kinda-evil-mom.

I thought she could see through time - when Peter was able to go back to see his mum and Deveaux talking (and she couldn't see him, so it wasn't like Hiro's timetravel thing), I sort of took it that that was him leeching his mum's power. There was something she said that led me to believe she had been privy to things she shouldn't have been (i.e. popped up hanging around in the back of a room in the past).

Also, NOAH?!?!

Watching this show on the BBC reminds me just how ace it is.

Haha, I am doing the same! I <3 Hiro and Ando.

First time watching. I am officially a fan. Sadly need to wait until next week for number three. So far, so brilliant!

yes, watched both these tonight (kinda distractedly) but enjoyed it. very slow buildup though, threads gradually coming together (would've been easy to make the first couple very wham bam, but they avoided that)

Really? I thought the opposite, that they were trying to overload on Stuff Happening which left hardly any room to develop the characters. One of the joys of Lost is that because it can be slow-moving plotwise they can really go for it with the characterisation, even early on.

Enjoyable load of old cobblers nonetheless, I'll definitely keep watching.

somewhat overwhelming to look on bittorrent and realise there are TWENTY THREE EPISODES??? christ almighty people.

That's standard for an American drama.

awesomely cheesy season 2 promo

crepes be droolin @ cheerleader girl's b-day

http://i.enewsi.com/g/generated/Entertaiment/Got_Milk/Hayden/HAYDENFINAL__scaled_600.jpg

That's standard for an American drama.

each episode has the production standards of a frickin movie, though, it must be insanely expensive to make. they built the international angle into it very well though; not just the characters and location but the plot and storytelling is very "international" - i bet the DVDs of this sell pretty well in india

Heroes session premier taco party tonight!!! i can't wait.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/aldo_cowpat/NUP_109828_0004.jpg

I am excited. Not clicking on this tomorrow will be a struggle.

I refused to watch this during its original run, based solely on the annoying "save the cheerleader...save the world" promos. Boy was that stupid. Flew through the DVD set over the last two weeks, this is totally up my alley.

the online graphic novels are even good

I just found out those existed Saturday night! I need to read those.

it has great back stories on all the characters

I am so excited!! I thought I was going to miss it but just realized I'll be home right in time. YAY!!

I am EXCITED and must remember not to post to this thread tomorrow until I've acquired and watched it.

I am roffling at that picture! wau

That picture is hurting my head, like, seriously, waht is that?

roommate is currently netflixing this. blasted my way through the first three discs over the weekend, including one night of nearly-4am delerium. this shit is mainly excellent.

TWO HOURS AND A HALF HOUR UNTIL SEASON TWO EXCITEMENT INTO AIR FIST PUNCH AND GLORY YELP

OMG did you guys know VEROMICA MARSD is going to be on HEROES this seaqson!?!?

My predictions - Claire's 'alien' stalker is Sylar (or possibly the 'worse' thing the mind-reader cop's kid sidekick is having nightmares about), Maya is a werewolf or chupacabra, and the gimme: Hiro becomes his own Hero, Kenzai.

I dunno what I think of Midas Toblorowski yet.

Sorry, not Toblorowski.

I mean Toblorone.

What is the name of the actor who is the company guy talking to Mohinder?

Mr. HBO, Stephen Tobolowsky, aka King Midas (or Firestorm or Molecule Man or something.)

this was alright, it seemed to have a stronger sense of itself and where it's going than it did last year.also cool that claire's dad actually did that to his dickhead boss, i was pretty sure it would turn out to be a fantasy sequence

also claire UNABLE TO STOP CHEERLEADING

somebody point me to a good place to t0rr3nt this, thanks. t0rr3ntspy not being helpful today. :(

Yes, I shall be on board with this in the next couple of days. Its exciting to be on a US Tv thread with the USers.

I still have like 10 episodes of previous season to get thru. :/

it was okay... I actually feel like Claire and especially Hiro are the worst parts of the show. Hiro is just so cloying and his sub-plot looks like an episode of Xena. The new hispanic hero(es) seem interesting.

Hiro is awesome! I love his sense of wonder and excitment about everything. It's like all the sci-fi/superhero stuff he grew up reading is coming true and he's loving every minute of it.

Nathan Petrelli looks way weird with his square man-jaw undercover.

Hiro is great but best in small doses. Him being stuck trying to fix history seems like a pretty crap diversion from whatever's going on in the present.

Still I'll take that over DL, Micah and Nikki who thankfully has not shown up yet. but they will soon.

the bottom lip thing that peter does reminds me of someone but i can't think who

I'll take half an hour of Peter's bottom lip thing over the Sanders family any day of the week. I read somewhere that DL is definitely gone, one down... two to go.

sf/comic book geeks in interracial couple hatred non-shocker

Now now Dan. You should know full well that the reason we hate them is because they're boring, not because dem bad ol darkies be takin' are wimmongz.

the boring them = Niki/DL, not interracial couples generally. Also, Micah gets a pass, at least from me.

Plus, how you gonna be a superhero with a healthy, normal home life? Batman, Superman, Spiderman - all yer best dudes in tights are orphans.

it was okay... I actually feel like Claire and especially Hiro are the worst parts of the show. Hiro is just so cloying and his sub-plot looks like an episode of Xena. The new hispanic hero(es) seem interesting.

otm wrt last night's episode

Nikki/Jessica may be my favorite character on the show. Definitely the most interesting, power-wise (at least up until the introduction of Anyeurism Girl yesterday).

Dan, how can you say that?? Nobody's powers are inherently interesting on this show.

The whole split personality thing is interesting. The girl who was warping people's perceptions was also interesting right up until the point where she was revealed to actually be a total sexpot and not old and dumpy as previously alluded to.

Peter is interesting but he's also a whiny douche. Nathan appears poised to take over that role now that Peter is missing. HRG and Claire are awesome; Hiro and Ando go in waves. The cop and the locator girl are kind of non-entities. DL was awesome and so is Micah.

I actually like the cop guy. His power is limited so it keeps him grounded and vulnerable. Peter starring in the Bourne identity I am already meh about from the preview. Hopefully he is really unstable and melts a bunch of irish guys.

The accents in the Irish scene were, um, let's be gentle and say 'sporadic.'

I am curious how Alejandro's presence can keep Maya from exploding everyone's brains. Also I am enjoying the Hiro story and am curious what British dude/"Kensai"s power(s) is/are.

Also, if I heard them right, there are 9 left of whoever Hiro's daddy & mom & dad Petrelli & Linderman's group were. Does anyone think the guy who attacked Hirodad at the end was British "Kensai", who might be a) immortal or b) also a time traveler?

Also...<i>The accents in the Irish scene were, um, let's be gentle and say 'sporadic.'</i>...THIS IS SOMETHING I WAS GOING TO POST.

I keep looking at the cop guy and going "lol 'Alias'".

I'm hoping that Nathan is the new bad guy.

When Nate looked into the mirror and saw a pizza-face, was that supposed to be Peter's or his own?

yeah, what the hell was that all about?
reminded me of that guys friend from American Werewolf in London

That was Peter.

I was hoping that Peter had disintegrated in space and Nathan inhaled him and became his beard or something.

I don't know if this season is going to capture my imagination like the first one did. Also, the Nissan product placement was pretty distracting.

No worse than Mazda last season, if you ask me.

Which was pretty goddamn annoying, true.

It was Nissan last year too.

Hiro: "Nissan Versa!"

I didn't even notice that.

When Nate looked into the mirror and saw a pizza-face, was that supposed to be Peter's or his own?

Greg Beeman says it was Nathan's.

He drinks alone in a bar and is haunted by a disfigured version of himself. Who is this vision and what is the symbolism behind his horrible disfigurement?

Beeman says it was Nathan's, but then does a 540-degree turn and leaves the identity of the pizza-face open-ended, and also shows why he's a director and not a writer.

Has Kristen Bell debuted yet?

If she had, you'd have seen me plotzing about her already.

NBC seizes on Nielsen rule change
New rule sets off furor among networks
By MICHAEL LEARMONTH, JOSEF ADALIAN, MICHAEL LEARMONTH
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With the fall season just two days old, the networks are already fighting over ratings.

Rival webs are accusing NBC of pulling a fast one by taking advantage of a new Nielsen rule that lets nets combine the ratings for multiple runs of a show -- and then report them as one supersized number.

Peacock decided to do just that with Monday's episode of "Heroes." Seg will be repeated Saturday night, and the numbers for both broadcasts will be counted as one when Nielsen releases final numbers Oct. 2.

What's more, the Saturday repeat won't be counted in NBC's weekly averages. Given how poorly most of the nets perform on Saturdays these days, the rule change means the Peacock gets to eliminate what will likely be one of its least-watched hours -- while simultaneously inflating the average audience for "Heroes."

Peacock's actions are all legit, per Nielsen. But that doesn't make them completely kosher, rivals argue.

"Theoretically, (NBC is) doing nothing wrong," said ABC research chief Larry Hyams. "But morally, they're playing with the weekly averages. ... You could see where this could lead to abuse."

NBC research guru Alan Wurtzel said the net has no plans to repeat the "Heroes" multiplay strategy in the near future, calling it a one-time-only situation with this particular broadcast.

Net chose to report the numbers this way because it had a deal with Nissan to serve as the sole sponsor of the season premiere of "Heroes," making it easy to test the new rule. (Nielsen requires nets to air the exact same commercial load in each broadcast in order to qualify for the cume rating.)

Nonetheless, Wurtzel said it's only a matter of time before cume ratings become the norm.

"The notion that there is a one-time play and one-time exposure (for a show) is simply obsolete," he said. "In a couple of years (overnight ratings for single broadcasts) are going to be so retro, it's going to be like household ratings. Nobody will pay attention to them anymore."

But NBC's decision to test out the new rule so suddenly, without any warning, is likely to tick off rivals even more.

"The fact that it took place during premiere week and at the last second indicates it's more about gamesmanship for premiere week rather than making a definitive change in the way they're selling the medium," one rival exec said.

Rule change also caught ad agencies by surprise just as they were preparing to analyze Monday night's premiering shows.

"They didn't ask us," said Shari Anne Brill, director of programming for Carat Americas. "They are doing this at the behest of the networks -- this is not something the agencies want."

With the change, agencies will have to wait until October to get the cumulative number from both airings, and they may never get detailed numbers from the 9 p.m. hour unless NBC decides to release them.

Agency sources said the change will make it difficult to compare the preems of Fox's "K-Ville" or CBS' "Two and a Half Men" with that of the NBC show.

"I think it's outrageous," said Magna Global senior veep of audience analysis Steve Sternberg. "If they want to sell the commercial inventory on a Monday episode and a Saturday repeat, that's fine. I still want to see the Monday ratings and the Saturday ratings."

Wurtzel said NBC wasn't trying to be sneaky.

"This is a rule Nielsen put into play this summer. This should surprise no one," he said. "Anyone who keeps up with the Nielsen client information notices would know about this. Every single agency knew about this, or should have known about it."

But CBS Corp. chief research officer David Poltrack said the NBC move did seem a bit sudden.

"We knew it was an option, so in a sense it didn't take us by surprise," he said. "The only thing that did take us by surprise is that they did it at the last second."

While NBC says it's not planning to make a habit of using Nielsen's new rule, some worry about a future where nets do just that. Rivals are already annoyed that NBC doesn't air commercials during the first half-hour of its Sunday NFL coverage (a pre-game show) -- thus eliminating one of its lowest-rated half-hours.

"You can't look at a show's ratings the way we used to," Hyams said, noting that year-to-year comparisons suddenly become impossible.

What's more, shows that might have been in the top 25 could end up in the top 10 if a net airs them enough times. NBC could even air a show like "Heroes" on Sci Fi Channel and -- as long as it aired the same ads in the same pattern -- Nielsen would count the run in the show's cume average.

"The scorecard in the press can now be manipulated more easily than in the past," Hyams said.

Indeed, to poke fun at NBC's move, CBS issued a press release Tuesday calling its own "Rules of Engagement" the No. 1 reported program in its time period -- since Nielsen will never officially release the "Heroes" Monday-only average, though the number was widely distributed Tuesday by other nets as part of routine Nielsen-based press release info.

And Hyams noted that the Nielsen rule has some other inherent flaws. ABC, for example, can't repeat its hit Sunday shows, since Nielsen requires shows to repeat in the same week in order to qualify for the cume number, and Sunday is the end of the Nielsen week.

"There are inequities to this," Hyams said.

For its part, Nielsen cast the move as an attempt to normalize primetime ratings with syndication, which is reported on a cumulative basis, and cable, which increasingly uses cume numbers for multiple airings of the same show.

Nielsen also said the move would allow stations with a digital multicast channel to report cume audiences -- an essential step in the digital age.

"We know things are changing rapidly in the way people watch television and the way our clients are selling advertising," said Nielsen spokeswoman Anne Elliot.

ok like lie bot wasn't the source for nielsen numbers before this

Trying to give a shit...trying...trying...

FAILED!

No shit given.

I don't know anyone who doesn't fast forward/mute commercials anyway.

cut them some slack... nbc just wants to report cume audiences

cume on nielsens

It's like Dexy's Midnight Runners, only different!

The four months later (four hundred years before) jump did not leave as many unanswered questions as I thought it would, which means the "four months before" episode in a couple of months will be a bit naff.

Biggest let down was probably psychic cops divorce. I can se ehow it happened (he did just fuck off and get shot), but then the insto family of Molly and Suresh fills an odd hole.

Most disturbing moment was tounge on tounge kiss with HRM and Mr Muggles.

Worst acting, OIRISH ACCENTS ALERT.

But enough to keep me going. And whilst Hiro is great, it is also great that he seems to have an extra power of being sucker punched perfectly.

I just hope the Hiro thing doesn't become anymore like a Back to the Future plot of "Oh noes, my existence here has changed history, I have to fix it!"

We still haven't seen how robust the time travel they are using in Heroes is but I doubt it will change anything in the present day series.. Remember on Save The Cheerleader, the future Hiro went to Claire was still alive but in hiding. (The scarred Nathan Petrelli vs beardy Nathan may well be the whole timeline trying to sort itself out).

One assumes that Hiro is going to put right all the things that have gone wrong (or more likely become Kensai) - bear in mind his "what if I step on a bug" comment from the picture with the dinosaur. I'm sure its a short term Hiro plot.

Whoever said up there^ that Hiro is going to end up being his own hero is, I suspect, absolutely right.

Anyway, enjoyed it. When I was watching it I thought beardy Nathan was in fact Peter, and his looking in the mirror was a rare slip of whatever shape-changing power he was using. (Because he thought turning up as Peter might have raised too many questions?) I then thought maybe he'd absorbed Nessica's power and Peter was trapped in the mirror waiting to get out. I was wrong though, I guess.

I hope we get Emo Petrelli vs alt.country Petrelli FITE at some point.

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Rewatched it last night and I picked up so many more hints and enjoyed it more. Really this episode is a setup for the whole "The Company" conspiracy they'll play this season.

The opening scene in the plaza with Mr. Nakamura and Ando, it was bearded Nathan that ran into Ando... at the same time did a paper switch to give him the picture of death. Same deal almost exactly before Nathan's own mother gets the picture of death. And when Mr. Nakamura is killed, only one body is on the ground. So turns out Nathan is working for the company, or whoever is calling hits on the final nine. I'd venture to guess that he really is horribly disfigured, and the organization is using some kind of Candice distorting reality power to hide his disfigured face. Hiro is going to realize he must make Kensei into a hero in order to preserve history, so it will be an interesting dynamic with Hiro making this anti-hero guy into a hero. Also weird high school flying crush of Claire's sounds like he's recruiting for the company. I think that will play out into a good Father/Daughter/Boyfriend storyline.

This show!

i liked it! esp highschool catiness and symbol mystery and final scene

Cos what I can't work out is why is Nathan still alive. He was not indestructible so Peter's explosion should have killed him. So Nathan could be Sylar (did Sylar meet shape changey girl?) Was it disfigured Nathan, or disfigured Sylar?

Where is Nathan's wife. Kids. ELECTORATE?

Hmmm, there's a lot to like about the Nathan = Sylar conjecture, although I can't figure what his angle might be, or why he's so grumpy about it.

Started working for the company and is the one who put Emo Petrelli in the container.

Other thing I want to know is, what is Petrelli Mom and George Takei's powers and what other old ex Sci0Fi TV codgers ar ethey going to get to play the other "eight". We know that Takei had links with the Company, so its possible that this is what the previous generation set up, which then went bad. Loose enough to go anywhere that stuff.

Unpsectacular but very solid opener, I thought. It's never really been a show that does major "stand-out" episodes, anyway.

I can't believe Nathan's mom/Cherie Blair actually pulled out the "if it wasn't for you meddling kids ruining my plans" line.

<i>what other old ex Sci0Fi TV codgers ar ethey going to get to play the other "eight" </i>

Lt Uhura, right?

Martin Landau, I reckon. Robert Vaughn or David McCallum. Any one of Patrick MacNee/Honor Blackman/Diana Rigg/Linda Thorson. Tom Baker (although arguably Colin looks older).

Cos what I can't work out is why is Nathan still alive. He was not indestructible so Peter's explosion should have killed him.

Nathan could have gotten him up in the atmosphere high enough to drop him and fly away really fast. Not dead, but serious nuke burn victim. I don't think he is Sylar at all. But he's working for the company and *knows* Peter is still alive because he turned him over to the company himself to be Haitianized and exiled. It seems to me that Molly is now the Isaac Mendez stand-in. She's drawing the symbol between the eyes "mark of death" and basically predicting these special's deaths, with the last drawing in the sequence being her own death. Really the more I think about this episode the more I like it.

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boring episode.

Good episode.

it's a bit cheesy.

As usual, Claire rhymes with care, which is appopriate, because she's just about the only character on the show I care about. Okay, the Hiro stuff is pretty decent, too, considering how utterly predictable it is.

I liked Angela Petrelli freaking out and the toe-cutting but otherwise it was kind of meh.

I was kind of hoping Claire had the virus!

As I asked on the ilcomix thread: Clair can grow a new toe, like a lizard. But can her toe grow a new Clair, like a starfish?

My roommate walked out on the show in disgust when it became apparent that Peter has amnesia. He said it's a dealbreaker plot device.

I thought it was kid of dull, too, though I laughed at some of the Hiro lunacy.

ok - the toe scene was something else!

> My roommate walked out on the show in disgust when it became apparent that Peter has amnesia. He said it's a dealbreaker plot device.

You might want to point out to your roomie that the Haitian is a memory eraser.

oooh good point

Dude, <i>Heroes</i>'s middle name is plot device!

But can her toe grow a new Clair, like a starfish?

Dude, <i>Heroes</i>'s middle name is plot device!

Plot device and cheese.

I am a little bored of the Hiro subplot. the Kensei scenes seemed really forced. There was no real suspense either when white dude got arrowed, the whole healing bit after that was just kinda anticlimactic.

omg how awesome would it be if the toe grew into an evil Claire and that's the shadowy figure we see rolling up on HRG in the previews for next week

Almost as awesome as Nathan's beard being Peter's missing memory!

two hayden panettieres? that would keep the perves happy.

peter can beat sylar's ass down, survive nuclear explosion, etc... cannot stop fake irish dude 5 feet away from him from dropping a box. oh kay.

Sounds about right, though! The big secret to Peter is that he is a gigantic pussy.

okay the toe thing was awesome

and i'm digging that hiro is going to be a costumed superhero!

or that he was. and might be again. not so into him being sidekick with no glory

But that he has control over his power to the point that he can be as witty about it as he was? That was just awesome.

And the Hatian being back in the show is great, too - he's been one of my favorites since he first appeared. What about Parkman's wife? Wasn't she preggers? Will we meet the kid? And I LOVE how they have continued the arc of him using his powers in the job setting - pretty great.

This show will keep me watching, until it gives a real reason for me not to.

I do not like the repeated Sylar appearances in the previews, though. Show him, or don't. Don't tease me.

yeah i thought it was kind of lame that peter couldn't just take the book, but i'm wondering if because of the memory wipe he can't really control his powers, he's forgotten how? so maybe they only come to him when he's really agitated or in a fight type position?

You could just not watch the teasers, like me!

Parkman getting shouted out of Ma Petrelli's mind = harbinger of psychic boners to come? Because he was all Captain Obvious about letting her know that he was snooping in there.

Don't blame Peter. I forgot that he had TK, and I'm not the one with amnesia.

OK, we are far enough in to series two now to ask some serious questions about the show.

Molly and My Two Dads. Er - how? Or at least how did they get her enrolled to school and why do the company not know where she is? Since she is asset number 1, you'd think she would be worth loads of Mohinder's.

Does Mexico really guard its Guatemalan borders? And spontaneous goth make-up should not be deadly.

Where did Nathan find that beard?

Hm, Emo Petrelli vs a box being burnt. One would think that any of thirty ways he could have stopped The Devil's Own. If he even cares. oiPods be damned.

I just found out the guy who plays Claire's doofy-looking boyfriend is 27. Jesus. And I thought emo petrelli looked young for 30.

doofy-looking boyfriend

WAHT? The guy follows her after she tells him to fuck off repeatedly, and he peeks on her through her bedroom window. I really don't think boyfriend is the word you're looking for.

put it this way, i would have also referred to Claire's previous doofy-looking boyfriend as her doofy-looking boyfriend, even though that guy was most likely gay.

and flying dude might be creepy as fuck but come on, the way it's going they're totally gonna start making out in a few episodes' time.

Also their current relationship matches about 50% of the high school bf/gf relationships I remember in my school.

Does that include severed extremities (that may or may not later take on lives of their own) and flight?

I still think he's Sylar or worse, btw.

i'm thinking that Guatemalan goth eyes lady is the one who's been spooking Molly. i like the twins' symbiotic power. i wonder if the brother can do anything on his own.

I was thinking more "guy follows girl around for no discernable reason beyond 'lol boobs'" but I wouldn't have been surprised if self-mutilation was in there somewhere.

I still think he's Sylar or worse, btw.

worse, maybe. But definitely not Sylar. Dan probably closest to the truth there.

the one thing that makes me think maybe yeah, he's Sylar, is the flying thing. seems unlikely that the writers would repeat the same superpower as Nathan has without a calculated reason for doing so.

maybe he doesn't fly, maybe he has density control over his body, he can just float up like balloon

Sylar can fly? I mean, in a non "Five Years Later" continuity.

telekinesis dude

My theory goes like this - Sylar eats illusion-girl's brain, gains her powers. Puts two and two together with Noah and Clair (doesn't he already know this, though? I forget.) Figuring Noah is his best shot at finding more brains, he insinuates himself into Clair's affections...

Oh shit. I was relying on his ability to fly coming from eating Natebrains. I may have to give this up.

But that reminds me of something else - one development we haven't discussed yet is the duplicate powers thing. Kensei is a healer like Clair, and doofy is a flyer like Nathan. So far, the only way we've seen for two people to get the same power is Sylarlicious and Peterleeching. Now we've got a slight implication that there are only so many different flavors of power (or at least not all powers are unique.)

Just rambling on a slow day at work, don't mind me too much.

xpost

that gets at the root issue of why I think this might all start imploding by the end of the season, the more it becomes one long exposition of different people and their weird abilities the more it becomes a little too much for anybody but the most dedicated geek to keep in mind from one week to another

Graphic novel pretty much indicates that West is not Sylar. and that it's possible that his power is controlling wind rather than flying.

maybe Nathan has more illegitimate children around! that would be pretty cliche though... Claire and dude start dating and ooops, it's gross cause they're all brother and sister but not knowing it! lol.

xpost

I remember Sylar having creepy disappearing power, but not necessarily flying. The fake out Sylar teasers make it clear to me that he's being held captive ala the Matrix ala Candice or someone like her. Although... after this last episode I've given up trying to guess the writer's direction.

West and Claire are going to romance, and then get into superpower breakup fites.

hmmm - a guy what can fly boinking a girl what can heal herself instantly. so many wrong things can come of this.

telekinesis dude

that gets at the root issue of why I think this might all start imploding by the end of the season, the more it becomes one long exposition of different people and their weird abilities the more it becomes a little too much for anybody but the most dedicated geek to keep in mind from one week to another

True true, if people insist on parsing the show as anything other than a string of tenuously connected spectacles.

one development we haven't discussed yet is the duplicate powers thing.

PS Oilyrags, our favorite (well, your favorite) ex-cheerleader's name is spelled "Claire." Sorry to get anal copyeditor on you. ;_;

xpost Thermo channeling H4rry Kn0w13s!

Klaeeyhre

the interesting thing about the duplicate power part is that it is now within the realm of possibility that there is a sylar or peter type character with a 500 year head start acquiring powers.

yabbut if true why isn't she ruling the world with an iron fist? Yeah, yeah, Dr. Manhattancakes.

From: Anthony
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:36 AM
To: Sam
Subject: RE: YO

HAH!!! U ARE WORSE THAN EL DIABLO!!!! GET AWAY FROM ME!!!!! AND PETRELLI IS CHILLIN WITH IRISH GANGSTERS NOW? WHASUPWITHDAT?
WHY DOES CRYIN GIRL HATE THE MEXICAN.SHE IS QUATAMALINS?

ive been watching this - its hard not to, its on bbc 2 seemingly every single day, but i just cant seem to get into it. why is it so SLOOOOOOOOW? it takes about 4-5 episodes for anything to happen. its like what could be a good 1hr programme stretched out over about 5 hours. i hope that this (and lost) dont become the models for future series.

UHURA!

I CAN'T READ THIS THREAD, I'm watching the first season on DVD and afraid of spoilers. I just finished the "Five years on" ep last night. Gaaaaagh. Future Peter Petrelli is so much better than current PP, though.

haha yeah! i just finished S1 about a week ago and during that episode the lovely emma b was like, swooning for his ruff charms

what i never understood though was how he and nikki/jessica hooked up, or even knew each other

"Take me with you, I have a car." (30 secs to shot of Nissan logo)

I'm not sure how getting arrested works in central america, but i would not expect them to have your car idling out front for you!

and such a nice shiny car too.

Why don't we ever see Sylar eating branes? and he has the virus, no?

lol stupidest precautions against mutant badman ever!

Was it just me, or did it look like they really scrimped on the special effects last night? The backgrounds in the West/Claire flying scene and the 90 Angry Ronin scene looked horrible.

I think the cutrate CGI gives the show its charms!

so sylar is stuck on the Lost set now?

this show really sucks now

can we have lost back, please

yeah the CGI looked like a bad joke

Sylar is in Maui, just like fatteyillusionist told him!

I can't believe they don't kill that fucker in the first season. PLEASE, SOMEONE, JUST KNIFE HIM ALREADY.

It's enough to make a person go back in time and re-write the script jesus christ.

sylar is an awesome baddie and deserves to live just to fuck up all these other lame characters.

Oh, and besides Uhura, also Malcolm Reed from the lamest Trek of all.

I hate Sylar and his oh-so-Jewish nose, he is a self-centered neurotic baby who hits -- basically the reason parents are supposed to spank their children.

I will accept eyebrow slander, but nose slander? Them's fightin' words!

Where did all you weirdo mentalists come from? Are you the 90 Angry Ronin?

Who the fuck's asking?

dunno about you man but i'm pretty much losing interest in every character on this show now except possibly claire bear/hrg. xpost

I'm quite cheered by the prospect of 90 angry ronin, actually. Should I not be?

I understand, Roz, but I think Yankton Cocksucker turned King Midas has good villain potential.

speaking of HRG, doofy kid: "I'll never forget him... THE MAN IN THE HORN-RIMMED GLASSES".

I know Heroes isn't exactly subtle but nggggh....

yeah but so far he's not getting enough screentime. xp

and such a nice shiny car too.

i think that was claire's car..

the writing is kind of letting me down these past couple of episodes.

although LOL "Lightning!... Lightning!... Sparks!..." wtf Peter open the box you dumbshit.

Sylar is still in the matrix I think.

"Take me with you, I have a car." (30 secs to shot of Nissan logo)

blatant product placement aside but wasn’t Claire’s car that was stolen the same make and mode? Coincidence?

err model

Rilly you nutters, you're watching for the wrong reasons if you expect classical quality.

xpost no wai, the car they drove away in was a sedan, and hers was some mutant SUV?

it had a high school bumper sticker on it

Nissan Rogue.it's the same vehicle

It was the same car, hence the lingering on the bumper sticker.

although LOL "Lightning!... Lightning!... Sparks!..." wtf Peter open the box you dumbshit.

OTM

By the way I just remember that I laughed SO HARD when Sylar cut Peter's head open and they cut to drops of blood on the floor...and then that ANNOYING LOCK OF HAIR FALLS like ahahahahha FINALLY someone gave Saddo a haircut and it has to be a character I hate?!??

*forelock* THUD.

hehe yeah that was among the best moments of season 1.

OK, its really spinning its wheels now. Nothing in the entire episode about the death of Hiro's Dad mystery. Clare's new boyfriend is seriously annoying, and the return of her glowering with a secret over HRG is frankly pointless.

And what exactly are the symptoms of this illness that they have? They all want cures, none of them seem to have THAT much wrong with them. And what was the point of the Haitian turning up last week, if we weren't going to see him this week? Whilst I am pleased they rushed the Hiro in the past story, it hasn't ended (and since we all know its going to go all Highlander on our arse again what is the point). Again the point please of Peter doing the robbery and then not opening the box.

AND PINKY's SPORTSBOOK? WHAT THE FUCK?
Do some research (as bad as lobsters on the pier in Lost, which is where Sylar appears to be).

I think they got the package. Now Heroes just needs Slyvester, Rufus, Chuck and Twan.

caption says it all about this season so far.

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you mean to tell me that a sword that had OPEN ME in big letters on the bottom went through 500 years of collectors holding it without anyone bothering to see what was inside

It said "open me Ando".

Collectors are very polite and respectful of Ando's privacy, DUH.

Duh, clearly Hiro jumped forward in time to just before he got the sword, wrote open me Ando on it, and jumped back to his emo adventures. Heroes is not about the retcon after all. (Except Fat Candice, who wasn't fat last time she got knocked out).

So when is Slyar going to meet up with the Lost posse?

(Actually, I doubt Candice is dead, or indeed that he attacked her. The island is still part of an illusion. If you were sharing cabin space with a mass murderer and you could spread an illusion that you where not where you appeared to be, surely you'd do it as a matter of course.)

Is the last episode online yet? All they seem to have for week 4 is episode 123 ("How to Stop an Exploding Man"), which AFAICT, is just the last episode from last year. I was hoping to catch up before tomorrow night.

ha, no one posted anything about last night's episode--

i am officially done with this retarded show. the burger bonanza girl is the end of the line for me.

what exactly is her deal? she can emulate things she sees on TV?
she is Top Chef Hero or a WWE Hereo?

Is this show too subtle for you?

yeah, that's it

omg it was so horrible i wanted to stab my eyes out

for reals? i thought this was the first good episode this season.

not sold on micah's cousin either but otherwise, I thought it finally felt like the show was going somewhere.

wanna meet matt's scary dad.

And scary dad to knock Matt around for using Molly like that! ;_;

Roz OTM. The first episode this season I've been excited about.

yeah i liked this episode, except for the very bubbly personality of the tv girl. Papa Petrelli = Matt Frewer?

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dammit.

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I mean, cutty... if you are expecting subtle character development and easily digestable twists and turns, uh, you've been watching the wrong show all along.

i am expecting dialogue that doesn't make me puke

making manager at the burger bonanza? that's the best you can come up with? fire these writers, please

The writing sucks, it always has. I'm fed up!

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE NEW ORLEANS/HURRICANE FLASHBACK.

I watched Crash the night before because someone slipped it into my netflix as a joke and now I am getting the movie and that Heroes episode confused.

haha!

Cutty, are you mistaking the show as anything other than an occasionally-to-often entertaining pulp/genre show? OMG THE B IN B-MOVIE STANDS FOR BAAAAD.

the dialogue has always been terrible, i think it's kind of charming. I'm not even really sure why this episode seems better than the previous ones but it might have something to do with the pacing, the fact that *things* are happening and it's not just the characters sitting around whining.

Or maybe I'm just happy Nathan shaved off the beard.

I just watch this show for the hot dudes.

Missy Peregrym (Candice) is on a show called Reaper now. This is why Candice was played a different actress in that episode, and why they promptly and unceremoniously killed her off.

it was entertaining last season. it is dreadful now. the flying boyfriend sucks. the aunt sucks. the pay per view cousin and burger bonanza girl suck. hattori hanso sucks. matt parkman is a big fat asshole.

the only characters still worth watching are peter (not even in this episode), nathan (better with beard), and sylar (best character at this point).

S1
Nathan = AWES
Hiro = YATTA
Ando = Yatta
Micah = LAME
Jessiki = LAME
DL = LAME
Mohinder = LAME
Peter = LAMe
Parkman = LAme
Sylar = lolwtfomg

I think its pretty hard to dismiss the new characters after a couple brief scenes in one episode.

oh, the little girl is an asshole too.

Are they repeating powers now? Another person who can fly, another person who can learn things without even trying...and Claire's bf is most obnoxious character of them all. Yuck.

i kinda have to go with cutty on this season so far - too much obnoxious not enough weird - just b/c yr lighting is dark does not mean yr show is 'dark'! i like the mexican brother and sister but maybe only b/c they are still a bit of a mystery

learning-from-tv superpower is the superpower for me

cutty is RITE. the show is unbearable now. the little girl stuff was especially painful. even unconscious, she was still terrible. the novelty is gone, the wooden dialogue remains, and the effort to hook the teenage girl viewers w/ omg flying boy kissies <3 is further excruciating.

Claire's bf is most obnoxious character of them all. Yuck.

I agree with this. I hope HRG totally freaks him out when they finally meet.

Looking forward to Veronica Mars joining the gang next week though.

619!

repeating powers and what up with Yankton Cocksucker King Midas are the only interesting things on the show now.

also lol at only lowly food service workers getting perfect emulation of any skill power.

My kids can do the 619, it's not that hard to learn. They're shit at ornamental tomatoes though...

i liked parkman at the beginning of season 1 but then he just kept doing dumm thing after dumm thing (i.e. stealing the diamonds) so i had to break up with him

The Matt/Mohinder scenes these days are totally shot to inspire slashfic.

Bah, my web down, 69% dld and want to join in with discussion on why Heroes is now rubbish too!

what exactly is her deal? she can emulate things she sees on TV?

http://www.geocities.com/marvel_villains/taskmaster/taskmaster1.jpg

but that guy is cool

I guess I'm alone in this but the Parkman/Molly storyline is my favorite as of now. Although I am generally very forgiving for shitty dialogue, this exchange between Parkman and Nathan Petrelli really bothered me: "how did you know all that?"..."the same way I know you could fly"...oh, you mean when you SAW him fly in last season's finale? FFS. Maybe he got Haitianed though.

I love the Haitian; he's an interesting, compelling character, as well as an excellent weak plot point recover line. Someone should remember something? Blame the Haitian!

I found Micah's cousin's story almost completely unwatchable, for one it was so shittily and panderingly written (there's ratings in them tharr Katrina victims). However that whole thing where Micah apparently learned something by touching his cousin? Very intriguing!

Also I did appreciate the set-up with the twins & Sylar. He's obviously got the virus and I assume won't be able to Sylar them until he gets cured. And the one guy with the cure is Suresh. If we didn't see Clairebear again all season just so this story would get more air-time, that would be at least a start in the right direction.

they need to do something about west's hair.

It's really odd when I'm enjoying a show and then check the internets and find out that it started sucking several weeks ago and NO ONE TOLD ME.

Leeee OTM on the "it was always enjoyable blarney" meme.

As long as I draw breath, nickalicious u'll never be alone on Parkman/Molly plot! It is teh cute! Except when he's emotionally blackmailing her into finding BogeyDad.

West's haircut is urgent & key to maintaining the show's streak of unfortunate hair growth.

it's fucking my two dads with suresh and parkman

re: Parkman/Nathan conversation

yeah, even if Parkman didn't see Nathan fly (cause he was shot four times), surely someone else (Suresh/Molly/HRG) would've mentioned it to him. Nathan's whole story bothers me actually - are we supposed to believe that it only takes four months for an elected congressman to go totally incognito? weird that there's no press interest in his drinking or his missing brother and now his mother being arrested for homicide and after they spent half of season 1 showing nathan trying to manage his public image.

I'm starting to realize that Heroes is just Smallville with a larger cast and budget. Claire and west's conversation on their date sounded way too familiar and then it hit me that it sounded exactly like any given Clark-Lana dialogue. It's totally unsurprising that the same bunch of guys worked on both shows - just as schmaltzy, the same humongous plotholes and bad dialogue, but still embarrasingly watchable. (I don't know what it's like now though, I stopped watching Smallville three years ago.)

you say weird, I say sloppy and lazy

Heroes has read its own press and grown complacent. Also, Adrian Pasdar seriously needs more to do.

it's fucking my two dads with suresh and parkman

I know!!! Isn't it great???

when will cutty be done with this retarded show's thread

Actually I think the best part of season 2 might be the deathweeping and retract the deathweeping twins and the Sylar hitchhike. It's gonna be hilarious when they roll into "Costa Verde" California and Claire is all OMG that's my car gimme and Sylar is all lol mebe I finally eat ur brain now and Maya is like all this is scary boohoo and then everyone dies.

I love how Parkman is like the average shlub of the superheroing world. They should've made him a janitor. Psychic janitor; always knows when he needs a mop.

lol nickalicious, heroes would be a much better show if you wrote all the dialogue.

I've got a little story for you. I know this guy who started watching the show last year thought the first couple episodes were complete BUTT because of horrible pacing, stilted dialogue, meandering arcs, enormous plot holes, and general implausibility. But two WEIRD things happened at the same time; although it began ineptly, the show grew by leaps and bounds once it found a useful excuse (FIGHTING Sylar!) for ginchy spectacles infused with cornball glee, which my friend learned to stop worrying about and love the cheese.

Oh, and you know what? My friend, he... was................ MEEE!

leee otm, the start from last season was garbage just like this one and i didn't get hooked until mid-season when an actual plot materialized. however, i don't know why the writers got lazy and let it happen again this season... i'm hoping things will pick up when a story materializes and the bloated character roster gets slimmed down with some killing. there's not much time for crappy dialogue when everyone's screaming and getting debrained and all that.

The start of last season's was great, you guys are crazy.

I hated this show the 1st three eps, then it grew on me. The dialogue is for crap, but it's a COMIC, so it's written in COMIC book style (bad writing and obvious comments). I am disappointed by this seasons eps, but admit
I have not looked at the Net for the summer filler info. Co-worker says it's key to understandning this season knowing what happened off the tube. I am thinking that the new charaters with same powers as others - i.e. flying, have to be related genetically don't you think? I'm gonna keep Tivoing it in hopes that it improves.

WTF is up with ancient Japanese warriors tho?

. I am thinking that the new charaters with same powers as others - i.e. flying, have to be related genetically don't you think?

Problematic, given that The Cheerleader is the daughter of Flight Brother Number One and is smoochin' on Flight Brother Number Two.

he dialogue is for crap, but it's a COMIC, so it's written in COMIC book style (bad writing and obvious comments)

That's a major cop-out, esp. given that many comix are actually written quite well.

Many comics are written well, but more comics weren't, particular from the Silver Age, which is sort of where Heroes gets its sensibilities. In fact, it's not limited to comics -- the entire show has a distinct late '60s/early '70s vibe just from its cast of guest stars: the OG Trek alums, Malcolm McD, Dr. Who.

the 24 dude who plays Sylar is a horrible actor. but he has good eyebrows i guess.

eyebrows matter

when/who was he in 24?

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0704270/

Season 3: Adam Kaufman

he was the beeyatch that had to work with kim bauer.

http://i9.tinypic.com/5xgqr8z.jpg

i was liking last nights episode.

I would like more scenes of Veronica Mars melting faces.

yeah I couldn't help but watch again :( it was the best of the season so far though.

I'M NOT A CARGO FREIGHTER PARKMAN.

Less horrible green screen work though, pls. That scene with HRG and the Haitian looked horrible!

Can we talk about how "Chuck" is about a billion times better than "Heroes"? (ps I am still enjoying "Heroes")

I'd been souring on this show and missing episodes - but I'm glad I caught this one.

Chuck sucks! Reaper such the superior slacker-fantasy fiction.

Less horrible green screen work though, pls. That scene with HRG and the Haitian looked horrible!

Aww, it was awfully quaint!

I want to say I liked how KB brought her acting down to Heroes-level, but I have to draw the line someplace.

slacker-fantasy fiction. i guess this is a genre now isn't it? although tbh EVERY non-reality show now is "(x) fantasy fiction", from footballers' wives to desperate housewives to etc etc - i blame ally mcbeal

KB has always acted like that, or at least she has in every episode of "Veronica Mars" I've seen (ie, three before rolling my eyes and giving up).

We'll have to agree to disagree, Dan. (Also, have you watched Deadwood? Proof positive that U R RONG.)

WTF Mohinder, knocking on doors in New Orleans in the middle of the night.

So not Mohinder!

so not gonna happen

classic heroes: kbell walking away from "why'd they just send a little girl" and they can't just end the scene, have to include crappy "i can take care of myself" line w/ mediocre special effect.

What is her power? Electricity?

MELTING FACES

(aka electricity)

i totally missed the melting face.

It was off-camera, we only saw the charbroiled aftermath.

best episode of the season by far.

i still hope there is some larger purpose to this hiro field trip to the past.

parkman's dad part was cool.

veronica mars was great!

i'm still not very sold on "i'm a crazy fast learnin' all kinds of stuff i see" woman storyline.

Last night's ep was enough to hook me back in - I had strayed for a few eps.

Chuck is alright - I like the female leads, both his sister and his handler - but his bearded friend and the male FBI agent are a bit tiresome. Chuck himself is pretty awesome, though.

Meh - I'm tired. I've got to get more sleep. Thank GOD JourneyMan isn't any good, despite Anthony Michael Hall being the awesome.

i thought that was him too. i lost a bet on it

MELTING FACES

she's a shadow priest? /nerdlol

she's steve vai

bnw, i kiss u

http://www.cracked.com/blog/2007/10/23/this-heroes-recap-contains-several-excrutiatingly-boring-jump-rope-scenes/

meh, still not a lot happening. I liked the Parkman / Nathan / Nightmare Dad plot. Parkman is two-way telepathic now?

jumprope? great way to throw away a potentially cool scene...

There's still too many characters doing a whole lot of nothing in my opinion. I don't doubt that the plot and budget will start expanding geometrically mid-season though. It just seems like the creators are treading water with this storyline right now.

Petey we should get married cos otm x00001 u readin mah mind on how nothing outside of Parkman/Nate/BogeyDad is moving much.

peter's painting skills have improved!

"maybe we're supposed to do something with these powers!"

Heroes' new motto.

i wish someone would have melted micah's face during that double dutch scene.

Leave Micah alone, he's special.

Petey we should get married cos otm x00001 u readin mah mind on how nothing outside of Parkman/Nate/BogeyDad is moving much.

I was gonna say mutual criticism of american tv is no basis for a successful marriage, but I suspect there are thousands who could prove otherwise.

Micah's 'hooray face' was more wince inducing than any mangled cheerleader scene.

It's like they're daring me to keep watching, just to see how bad and pointless it can get.

The Peter & Irish Bar Wench storyline is basically the worst written thing I've seen on primetime American television in recent memory.

Also the Hiro in feudal Japan with His Boyhood Idol LOL storyline is basically the laziest written thing I've seen on primetime American television in recent memory.

http://img.snlarc.jt.org/arc/skit/Mr.%20Short-Term%20Memory.jpg

Well I guess define recent however you like, but they're really BAD and really LAZY nonetheless.

Have you never seen "According To Jim"?

Nope!

I keep expecting the irish bar wench to start talking about welch's grape juice.

Best episode this season, where are you doubters.

Definitely; I like that it actually feels like this season has been going somewhere all of a sudden.

I hadn't thought about it until THIS ep but Parkman's going to come back and go into Molly's nightmare after her, rescuing her and exploring his (kinda exciting!) new realms of ability in the process.

I don't think Sylar is ever actually going to be able to get Maya's ability; as soon as he goes Wii telekinesis trauma center on her brain she will freak out and he will die. What's more entertaining is that he's so hungry for her power that he won't realize it until he's tried.

It will work if he eats the brother first.

I still hate Peter.

Hey guys who is ADAM MONROE!?!?!?

disqualified from best episode by 'omg we so used r powerz to scare the cheerleader'

I keep seeing the name Adam Monroe and thinking this guy:
http://www.parlayer.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/adam_morrison.jpg

Also, I wanted to get this prognostication well and announced.

alright who suddenly made Heroes awesome again?

i think it just couldn't have gone wrong after they did that first menacing close-up of HRG with him being all russian bond villain. heroes is best when they are totally hamming it up.

somebody smack the shit out of claire's stupid boyfriend.

"I'll always catch you, Claire! Except of course for when I want to use you to freak out popular girls."

i don't know, this season is annoying me - this wk's ep had some good stuff going on but could've been a lot better - too scattered for me, nothing to hang on to

maybe it does need more ham

to hang on to

At least they found the damned Isaac Mendes paintings and can at least attempt to get back to the comic booky charm it had last season.

SERIES OF EIGHT

It seems a few of these happened already; Claire lying "dead" on the stairs, Kaito dead, is the blonde woman banging on the door/whatever Nikki or Veronica Mars? Does Mohinder shoot HRG or are they not so closely related as all that?

I think that's Peter with the scar on his face; didn't he have a scar in the future episode?

I love how murderous Sylar is that he just couldn't stick his head out of the car and yell stfu you guys, we're americans!

also lol:

"it was the kiss that fractured time"

*romantic music cuts out*

Ando: ?!?

I was just reading some of the graphic novels and in Maya y Alejandro it is suggested that Maya's mutation is that she is a carrier of a virus; while it seems obvious after Mohinder's comment about the Shanti virus that it is the source of the future epidemic, I am wondering now if that is a ruse and the real threat to humanity is Maya (or probably Sylar via Maya's ability), maybe? Surely the writers for this show aren't that clever.

Surely the writers for this show aren't that clever.
Of this, we can be absolutely certain.

Pretty good ep, cheerleader stuff notwithstanding.

getting better...

I hate Peter so much.

My wife and I were discussing how, instead of being called "Heroes", this show should be called "Pussies" except it would be unfair to the female characters (and Sylar).

and david anders! i'm so glad the kensei story was not a complete waste of time. and as soon as he blew up, i knew he was gonna turn out to be adam monroe.

i hear this season is gonna end early due to the wga strike.

are they still planning on airing Origins during hiatus?

Nope, Origins was scrapped due to falling ratings.

as soon as he blew up, i knew he was gonna turn out to be adam monroe.

really? really honestly and truly? maybe i wasn't paying attention because it caught me totally off guard, and I even saw the guy wearing modern clothes in the ad.

Yeah, I admit that totally caught me by surprise.

yes honestly truly. because healers who blow up can come back - they were hinting as much with peter's whole storyline and then when kensei said to hiro that he'll do everything to fuck his life up, well that just made sense after that.

so how do we think he got to the present? has he managed to time travel somehow, or does his invulnerability include not-aging/dying?

btw this revelation caused me for the first time this season to desperately want to watch the next episode right away, something that was happening nearly every week last season.

yeah i think he can't die, he just regenerates.

and otm about this ep actually making me can't wait to see the next one. it looks like a good one too - the four months ago storyline.

hai guys, I know I've been a butty nagging dumbbot on this thread, but I called the Kensei/Hiro fall-out and subsequent Kensei-as-the-season's-heavy-because-he-put-hoes-before-bros by the third episode.

What are the odds that Jessica has the cure for what ails Niki?

this is some highlander shit

So is Claire going to have to cut off Adam Kensei's head with a claymore as scored by Queen in the finale?

Oh haha highlander shit, cutty beat me to it.

Parkman is a dream warrior now a la Nightmare on Elm Street, uh, 6? Whichever one had the dream warrior nerds that all died.

As much as I like the Monroe reveal, it was painfully obvious.

Yeah apparently they are filming a different ending to ep 11 in case the WGA strike goes on so that it can serve as the season 2 finale.

that was nightmare on elm street part 3.

Thanks cutty!

Dear Angela Petrelli,

Tell us/show us what your fucking power is already. And while you're at it, tell us what you did. This is getting ridiculous now.

slept with adam monroe and nathan is his son which explains why claire can heal.

didn't angela bring a plant back to life or am i confusing this shows convolutions?

also i wonder what other already existing pop culture mythologies they will rip off next

vapezilla, surely

the plant thing was linderman... I wondered why future peter's flashbacks didn't include that his mom was a biatch. and did hiro's dad ever show a power?

and Leee, your ability to see into future plotlines would be more amazing were it not for the giant flag Kensei was holding at the end of season 1.

please god, kill the cheerleaders boyfriend.

I don't think mom Petrelli was a bitch to PETER though. He was her golden boy.

My mom is all in love with West, I think her infatuation is clouding her judgement wrt the probability that he is going to die hard and dead; their whole romance feels more like a not carefully constructed plot point rather than actual romance. In fact all the new romances (Yaeko, Kaitlin, etc) seem like plot points.

Also, did Parkman not recognize Nikki as having thrown him out a window, or was there just no time for that?

I find it interesting that all the least compelling/interesting characters/stories from last season (Parkman, Nikki, Claire esp) and most compelling/interesting (Hiro, Peter) have been switched this season. I hope it was intentional.

What giant flag? You mean the banner bearing the squiggly Heroes symbol which we'd already seen on Kensei's sword earlier that season?

What Kensei? I thought that was the decoy Kensei that Adam Monroe hired to lure the bandits into a trap, i.e. Asian eyes we saw through the mask (lol Kensei is Hiro's dad!!) vs. gaijin eyes.

Anyway I just want to be loved by internet nerds. ;_;

Someone speculated that Angela's power is suggestion -- in this episode, she told Peter to get a grip or something and BOOM! he remembers she's his mom.

Also I know it's cute to have Hiro shout YATTA but aren't there any other exclamations of joy/triumph? FFS.

bukake?

Monroe being Nathan's dad might explain the burned face Nathan sees in the mirror.

i thought that was because he felt guilty about peter's death?

The stupid Phd holder i was watching the episode with thought Angela Petrelli's power was that she would insinuate herself into memories???

If Monroe were Nate's dad, Nathan could've regenerated after he and Peter blew up. He may still see the scarred face because he was ashamed that he did not save Peter.

does Moms Petrocelli definitely have to have a power? she could be like Linda McCartney in Wings - no obvious talent, but they let her in the gang because she was banging one of them.

Scarred face = Maury/Parkman's dad psyching out Nathan?

I don't think that specific powers are perfectly heritable -- otherwise, Claire "Bear" would've been making out with her half-bro. Also, Micah directly addressed this issue -- he told cousin muscle mimic that the heritability lies with the fact they're special, not the precise nature of that specialness.

I can't see the Heroes writers coming up with the Parkman family powers and not using that same logic to come up with some sort of Claire / Monroe twist. If they had to the balls to make Claire and West related, that would be the best.

I can't see the Heroes writers coming up with the Parkman family powers and not using that same logic to come up with some sort of Claire / Monroe twist.

orly?

Phase-shifting + split-personality super-strength = talks to machines, which is cousins with muscle mimicry.

pyrokinesis + flying = healing factor

flying is bros with power-sponging

snoglobes + ? = brane-eating

Point is, specific powers are heritable only when it's convenient for them to be heritable, otherwise it's a mess of random powers for the sake of powers. Maybe Claire and Monroe are somehow related, but you'd have a hard time basing that assumption on Parkmen, given how rigorously logical the writers have approached power distribution so far.

Parkmen inheritance was kind of a disappointment in so far as that kind of transmission of powers was sopmething they seemed to be originally steering away from. i do tend to think that having mad the leap to establish the possibility, it will definitely be used for a larger purpose. there have been a few Star Wars moments so far, so a "Luke, I am your father" moment is probably just around the corner.

do we know anything about dad petrelli?

last season they were stressing "EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY IS DISCOVERING POWERS" now it's all "LINEAGE"

My prediction for the end of season is that Sylar will somehow be the key part of the prevention of the potential apocolypse brought about by Adam Monroe; perhaps similar to the role played by Gollum in the Lord of the Rings, or maybe intentionally bringing about his redemption and becoming one of the 'good guys' for season 3.

Prior to the most recent episode, I thought Sylar was the only interesting character left - but since I enjoyed it this week and he wasn't in it at all I must have been wrong. I continue to be irritated by Peter + Oirish folk, Claire + reckless flyboy (did Claire's mum think coming round uninvited and making breakfast was normal behaviour?) and Hiro when not in present time, although I returned to liking him when he came back to Ando. I am also irritated by the theme of 'daddy issues'.

ps, where has Veronica Mars gone? And who is her daddy?

given how rigorously logical the writers have approached power distribution so far

How is it logical? You just pointed out how there is no logic. Sometimes a specific power is inherited, sometimes it is not. The only logic is convenience and I'm sure that this writer's strike and the rumored frantic rewrites will add some more convenience to the mix.

i do tend to think that having mad the leap to establish the possibility, it will definitely be used for a larger purpose. there have been a few Star Wars moments so far, so a "Luke, I am your father" moment is probably just around the corner.

I agree.

veronica mars' dad is bob right? she works for a company, the company was holding peter hostage before he ended up in ireland so...

bob has no power as far as we know, besides being ned ryerson

Bob turns metals into gold.

oh right he does

i can't keep track of this inane bullshit

you love it

Bob turns metals into gold.

Bob is Mutt Lange and I claim my five.

btw Jeff, by "rigorously logical," I believe Leee meant "entirely whimsical."

There better be a good reason he was in Ireland other than to have bad Irish accents and be able to film in a pub.

(xp) yeah i get that now

or do i

this show makes lost look lucid

Ireland is where you go after you die.

do we know anything about dad petrelli?

in the graphic novels, we know he met linderman in the army. but other than that, we never find out if he had powers that manifested later. so I guess unless either angela/dad petrelli is revealed to have powers, we don't really know who nathan or peter got theirs from.

i wonder how many fundamentalist christians dig this show without being perturbed by a few character/plot curveballs this show throws.

did i just hear THE MONOCHROME SET on HEROES??!

hey everybody i found out today that my coworker went to acting school with hayden panetierre's mom and she said her mom's a slut (serious)

did you guys aready talk about the show runner apologizing for this season and basically admitting that heroes sucks?

http://reelfanatic.blogspot.com/2007/11/heroes-apology-that-doesnt-help-much-at.html

Hey so those create your own Heroes commercials or whatever; they're trying to get the fans to write season 3, aren't they?

You know, cuz of the STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE.

at least kring realizes the show has fallen off, thats more then most shows give you when they go into the shitter (HI JACK BAUER). Does season 2 really end in 3 episodes or is this a mini-break??? b/c like nothing has happened at all.

Yeah they can't write any new episodes due to the strike, so unless it is resolved soon it'll be on a "mini-break" until fall '08. Just like every other damn tv show. The Office, for instance, already struck their set and fired the entire production crew. Only one more episode of that.

RIP primetime.

> Hey so those create your own Heroes commercials or whatever; they're trying to get the fans to write season 3, aren't they?

Even better, those are going to be original web content, which is uh...exactly what the WGA is striking about.

Anyway.

I know that brown people don't matter as much as blonde girls and women, but does it strike anyone else that an entire wedding party of hundreds could drop dead of no particular cause and not kick up at least a tiny fuss?

Just in case that last post wasn't clear enough, playing that make your own hero shit means you are a fucking SCAB.

...an entire wedding party of hundreds could drop dead of no particular cause and not kick up at least a tiny fuss?

I think an international police chase complete with front page HOMICIDIO headlines qualifies as more than "a tiny fuss".

No, that happens to Spanish-speaking people all the time.

WTF is up with Peter and his "I must lose my shirt in every episode" clause? Did someone buy him a Bowflex over the summer?

hey everybody i found out today that my coworker went to acting school with hayden panetierre's mom and she said her mom's a slut (serious)

Report: cute chick in acting school insecure, slutty. Details at 11:00...

i think the whole reason they're on the run from the law to begin with is because all those people died.

Yeah they can't write any new episodes due to the strike, so unless it is resolved soon it'll be on a "mini-break" until fall '08. Just like every other damn tv show. The Office, for instance, already struck their set and fired the entire production crew. Only one more episode of that.

-- Clay, Tuesday, November 13, 2007 1:14 AM (15 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Does this mean the show's gone for good?

so is adam monroe good or bad? i think after 400 years he might be over hating hiro

Is Adam really the killer that Bob claims he is? The murders didn't start until he & Peter escaped, and the first one killed was daddy Nakamura.

Bigger question: if Adam's blood has such awesome healing properties, surely Claire's and Peter's do too, right??? Or is he a special kind of healer?

Does this mean the show's gone for good?

Episode 11 is going to effectively be the season 2 finale. They may sign on for a 3rd season, but with the ratings plunge, you can't be sure (LOST's ratings also dropped in the 2nd season).

we have no evidence they are related yet, do we?

Not because they're related, because they also regenerate.

Okay, point taken about the manhunt, but still - that massacre seems a whole mess more significant than the pursuit as so far demonstrated would suggest. Like, everyone (including and especially Bob and the Company) would know about it and be wondering what caused it.

i am completely blind and didn't realize kenzo and adam were the same person! jesus.

i don't think blind is the word

Haitian twist was probably the first time I was actually surprised this season. Not the twist that he erased Peter's memories, but that he was doing it for the right reason.

to be honest I fall asleep during every episode of heroes and then ahve to rewind and rewatch the second half, sometimes falling asleep again

Also if there ever is a season 3 please please please let Micah finally get involved in the shit because his power is still one of the coolest and potentially most useful in terms of fucking the Company up, plus apparently he's the only one who gets what they're supposed to be doing.

yo,DL went out like a punk

WTF when DL died shouldn't Nikki/Geena/whoever off-her-meds have flipped out and slaughtered a bunch of people? Yes, she should've.

Has anyone else noticed that this show is basically a straight-up "Scanners" rip-off??

Several hundred humans with super powers - check
A scientist who's trying to track them all down - check
One of them is evil - check
He kills others to gain their powers/energy - check
Several don't understand their condition - check
A secretive company is trying to use them to further its own ends - check

Ewan McGregor Wants Off ... THE ISLAND!

woops wrong thread

I knew this "Four Months Ago" episode was coming, but I didn't know it'd focus on Micah, Nikki and DL. Why oh why?

Where was Parkman? Sylar? Ando? HRG?

I guess Ando was standing around waiting for Hiro, natch. But anyway...

i don't get why they didn't just pick up the story at this point at the beginning of the season and move ahead chronologically, it would have made more sense and been less annoying

i was thinking that last night, but the only logical explanation (non plot device) was there was a four month gap from the last season ending?

Also I think they thought the "oh no, hiro's childhood hero is actually the Big Bad Boss Guy" reveal would be, like, actually shocking to the audience. But instead that audience generally saw it coming from like episode two.

did you guys already talk about the show runner apologizing for this season and basically admitting that heroes sucks?

The interpretation of those quotes on that site was a bit idiotic. It was little more than when the Lost guys admitted that nobody liked Nikki and Paolo as much as they did. Their mistake this season was to replicate the rhythm of the first--slow build and dance around without much happening, then having the real story kick in at around episode 7. The writers' strike seems to have killed the arc they had in mind.

WTF is up with Peter and his "I must lose my shirt in every episode" clause? Did someone buy him a Bowflex over the summer?

^^^ OTM

Scanners rip-off also otm.

I cannot believe the writers kept DL alive with some "bullet inches away from his heart" bullshit only to have him unceremoniously *shot again*. Just minutes before he phased through a sucker punch, but can't do it again when a guns pointed at him... The reason he got shot last time was because he chose not to phase through it. I don't know if they were purposefully trying to fuck the show's internal logic, or just couldn't think of any other way to kill off the black guy. big wtf on that one. At least having him take a bullet for Niki *again* would have a little poetry in it.

And wtf with the promo trailers and complete Sylar denial? Too busy electrocuting shirtless Peter and shooting the black guy twice to give us a hint how he survived?

I hope this strike gives the writers a chance to regroup because they completely blew it this season.

Oh Clair so much unfilled potential, you waste it all on this Adam West character.
And Mr Bennet, you are no Jack Bristow, you're not even a RB Bennett. But I salute your efforts.

http://heroeswiki.com/images/thumb/4/40/Painting_burning_man.jpg/396px-Painting_burning_man.jpg

http://www.impawards.com/1981/posters/scanners_ver2.jpg

http://www.scifimoviepage.com/images/scanners.jpg

this was boring. also, enough with the kinky seductress shit. I so badly wanted to smack Veronica Mars in this episode.

re ratings: Lost's ratings went down in the second season but grew within the 18-49 demographic because of the later hour, and that's really all that matters for the networks. I'm not sure Heroes has been that lucky.

woopsie:

http://k-punk.abstractdynamics.org/archives/scanners.jpg

I dunno if I can handle a zolly every time Parkman controls someone's mind.

yay they killed the only interesting characer left

Who? (You don't mean Noah? He was resuscitated at the end, which was pretty hard not to predict. Or do you mean DL? In which case I agree that his killing made no real sense but the show seems to have abandoned any pretense of logic.)

If Elle was able to zap out of her hand bindings as soon as Noah released her, why couldn't she have done it a little earlier? (And this probably just proves that I've been staying in too much but I totally went for her seductress schtick.)

he was? that is even lamer then killing him.

does this mean Claire will live for hundreds of years and never grow older than 16?

if Claire has sex with West, will her hymen regenerate immediately thereafter?

^^ this is an important question!

To Harry Knowles.

By all logic Claire (and Peter)'s blood should be able to cure just as well as Adam's, and they both should also be able to live forever.

Mohinder u gonna get killed.

Ban wrinklepaws, carne asada and Harry Knowles (just to be sure.)

Sarcasm,bro

Praise, you fools!

"I've never time-traveled before" = ;_;

I'm not sure Peter's blood has healing power; he merely mimics the capability of regeneration, and therefore doesn't carry it in his genes?

Wasn't it his blood that healed Nathan?

By all logic Claire (and Peter)'s blood should be able to cure just as well as Adam's

Was it not Claire's blood that was used to cure Noah? I thought that's what they were getting at. So prob Mohinder cured him but maybe the company did it so they can experiment on him?

Adam's blood healed Nathan xpost

it used to be "it's all brains!" now it's all "genes".

I know, I know, I shouldn't think too much since this is Heroes but wouldn't a blood transfusion mean that Nathan/Noah now have this ability too, with regenerative blood cells in their circulatory system?

And yes it was Claire's blood that healed Noah.

Well, from the start, the powers were supposed to be the result of genetic mutations that were leading to a higher stage of evolution. The idea was just never really developed in any consistent way.

That's a good question about the transfusion.

i felt sorry for Sandra Bennett. That shot of her and Mr. Muggles at the end..aww.

Unless something in the regenerative blood is actually changing the genomes of the donees, I think the blood is just some panacea able to fix the broken cells in a person's body, not to change DNA, ergo the donees won't have regenerative powers themselves. I'd use a Battlestar analogy, but I don't want to spoil or come off like a nerd or something.

Did no one else go mental with this episode? It was sooooo good.

xpost haha Roz, also when Mr. Bennet said with menace, "DID YOU PACK MR. MUGGLE'S BATHTUB????"

I TOTALLY psyched myself out -- when Hiro froze time to scope out Kaito's killa, I swore it'd be Peter because 1) Adam is way too obvious, and 2) Peter's already working with Adam.

Mr. muggles is a sleeper shapeshifting hero that will save Bennet

I'd use a Battlestar analogy, but I don't want to spoil or come off like a nerd

bit late for that. :P

I liked this episode lots actually. Lil Hiro. Big Hiro and Kaito. The shot of West knocking Elle over the car. Wet Elle. I love Angela Petrelli, somebody tell me she's not going to be stuck in jail from now on. And Matt and Mohinder continue doing incredibly stupid things yay.