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NEW YORK (AP) -- Police say an aircraft has crashed into a building on Manhattan's Upper East Side at 72nd Street and York Avenue. It is near Rockefeller Center.

There was no word on casualties.

Video from the scene shows at least three apartments in the high rise fully engulfed in flames.

It's unclear if it was a small plane or a helicopter.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

link to story

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

OK this isn't really the important bit is it but 72nd & York = near Rockefeller Center? I guess nearer than, say, Ronkonkoma is?

― Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

"site is near a heliport"

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

FDNY: PEOPLE TRAPPED IN HIGH-RISE

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'm gonna assume that this was an accident. I know people who live there, I think, but presumably they weren't at home. This is 3 blocks both from where my rents live and my Dad works, but they're out of town.

Xp: they mean Rockefeller University

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

CNN EXPERT: The U.N. tells us that it was a helicopter that crashed -
CNN ANCHORWOMAN: NO, THE F.A.A. SAYS IT WAS A "SMALL AIRCRAFT".

Last I checked, HELICOPTERS WERE SMALL AIRCRAFT.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

I'm glad you still give the news media that much credit. xpost

― Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

Intel officials say they have no reason to suspect this is a terrorist attack!

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

there is a heliport at east 34th street, not entirely close, but yeah.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

FAA says it was fixed-wing

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

IF A HELICOPTER'S GOT FIXED WINGS, OF COURSE IT'S GONNA CRASH.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Am I a fool to think that emergency vehicles I am hearing way downtown are responding to this?

― Ruud Comes to Haarvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

OCTOBER SURPRISE!

― James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Last I checked, HELICOPTERS WERE SMALL AIRCRAFT.

yes but not all small aircraft are helicopters.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

*holds back*

― JADED INTERNET DUDE (Enrique), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

NEW YORK (AP) -- A small plane crashed into a high-rise on the Upper East Side, raining down debris on Manhattan and unleashing what witnesses reported was a gigantic fireball, police said.

The aircraft struck the 20th floor of a building on East 72nd Street, said Fire Department spokeswoman Emily Rahimi. Witnesses said the crash caused a loud noise, and burning and falling debris was seen. Flames were seen shooting out of the windows.

"There's huge pieces of debris falling," said one witness who refused to give her full name. "There's so much falling now, I've got to get away."

The Federal Aviation Administration said it was too early to determine what type of aircraft was involved, or what might have caused the crash in the middle of a hazy October afternoon.

Witness Sarah Steiner, who lives one block away, told CNN that "The fire was raging out of two windows on approximately the 30th floor. ... They are evacuating the building."

Whether anyone was injured was not known, and it was unclear if the crash was an act of terrorism. Firefighters rushed to the scene.

The address of the building is 524 E. 72nd Street -- a 50-story condominium tower built in the late 1980s and located near Sotheby's Auction House. The Belaire Condo, developed by William Zeckendorf Jr., has 183 apartments, many of which sell for more than $1 million.

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Yea, I hear those too Ken

― roc u like a § (ex machina), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

another act of divorce/suicide/property destruction?

― Dr. Alicia D. Titsovich (sexyDancer), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

― Ruud Comes to Haarvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

i just stepped outside (i'm near penn station nowadays) -- nothing out of the ordinary happening, but i saw 2 police choppers go by in the general direction of where the crash is.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

10/11

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

This is sorta roughly my home neighborhood, but currently I'm like eighty miles away.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

10/11/06 is 9/11/01 upside down, heh.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps a lone crazy? A mini-reenactment of 9/11 type deal?

― Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

NORAD reports fighter aircraft deployed over several US cities.

― Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

Just in case.

― Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.illustratedillusions.com/images/skyfalling.jpg

― Jimmy Mod is COMPLETELY MISERABLE SAN DIEGO (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

a guy who knows a guy said that there were no Jews in the building today

― stet (stet), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

10/11/06 is 9/11/01 upside down, heh.

That's a little freaky.

― GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.explodingdog.com/dumbpict51/theskyisfalling.gif

― Jimmy Mod is COMPLETELY MISERABLE SAN DIEGO (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

i've been sitting here at my desk at home hearing all these sirens and just ignored them for about 25 minutes and then finally went and turned on the tv to see if there was something going on. hmm. hope people got out of the building ok. i'm about 9 blocks south, so of course the streets around here are all backed up forever. 1st avenue is total gridlock.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

10/11/06 upside down is technically 90/11/01. If we allow "01" then we can't ignore ALL zeroes.

</DONUT BEING PEDANTHOLE>

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

and ken i'm sure the sirens you're hearing are responding to this, because it looks and sounds like every emergency vehicle in the city is on its way.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

anyway, hopefully no one was home, and hope there's help for the dozens of folks this will affect. :(

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

it should be said, though, that we didn't have this news then all of the sirens wouldn't have been all THAT out of the ordinary for manhattan this time of day.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/baby_attack.jpg

― Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

"One person is confirmed killed after plane crashes into New York apartment building, New York Fire Department says."

*hits head against desk*

OK, blocking CNN now.

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

10/11/06 upside down is technically 90/11/01

wrong, upside down it's: http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/9889/neverforgetpr1.jpg

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

xpost, great timing dere

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Wednesday, 11 October 2006 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

No kidding.

― Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.iflipflop.com/iraq_homeland.jpg

― Jimmy Mod is COMPLETELY MISERABLE SAN DIEGO (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

could you stop posting big ass images on a fast moving thread. Although that last one is pretty funny.

― Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

if you're a pussy about image size then the evil ones have already defeated us. man up, bro.

― Jimmy Mod is COMPLETELY MISERABLE SAN DIEGO (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

man up, or hide images.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

outta the way, ppl, fast-moving thread coming through.

we've got shit to DISCUSS, STAT

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

ha ha!

― Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Typical New York thread

― Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

What, sirens blaring, buildings on fire, people peering out their windows at gridlock?

― Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

Tacos, Burritos, Margaritas...

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Is anyone else slightly surprised at the lack of information on this one? Assuming they're not holding something back, it would seem like they can't even identify which plane it was, or where it came from. Which seems ... odd to me? I mean, even for small planes, surely there should be some flight-plan record of the one that didn't show up where it was supposed to -- and they're all required to have transponders, so do we really miss planes going off-route over Manhattan?

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

INVESTIGATE 10/11

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

cnn:
AVIATION SOURCE: PLANE REGISTERED TO NY YANKEES' CORY LIDLE

― bijoux (bijoux), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

WTFWTFWTF

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

Wikipedia article on Cory Lidle: In response former teammate Arthur Rhodes said, "He is a scab. When he started, he would go 5 1/3 innings and (the bullpen) would have to win the game for him. The only thing Cory Lidle wants to do is fly around in his airplane and gamble.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

"fast moving thread"

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

from espn:

"New York Yankees pitcher Cory Lidle was the pilot of a small airplane that crashed into a 50-story condominium in Manhattan, and Lidle is one of two confirmed dead. "

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

THE PLOT THICKENS

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

WHAT THE FUCKING FUCK

― ^@^ (map), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

praying Chien-Ming Wang wasn't on that plane with him

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

CNN: Pitcher believed dead; passport found in street, sources tell CNN

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

okay that is super-weird

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

sooooo weird

― s1ocki (slutsky), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

WTF does it say about me that as soon as this turned into a sports story I totally lost interest?

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

I think it says you don't like sports much.

― Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

bronx bombers.

xpost - it says you're a nerd, nabisco.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Totally weird; as soon as it turns into a "sports story" it somehow becomes more trivial, as if it were actually a sports story.

― g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

HSTENCIL OTM

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

ESPN just turned into CNN.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

a yankee terrorist, just like timothy mcveigh

― ath (ath), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

lidle is taking that money and going off the grid. he totally db cooper'd over long island.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

JUST LIKE GEORGE STEINBRENNER AND ALEX RODRIGUEZ YOU MEAN.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Now the Yankess only have like 9,567 pitchers instead of 9,568.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

first thurman munson, now this!

― timmy tannin (pompous), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

The twin-engine plane came through a hazy, cloudy sky and hit the 20th floor of The Belaire -- a red-brick tower overlooking the East River, about five miles from the World Trade Center -- with a loud bang, touching off a raging fire that cast a pillar of black smoke over the city and sent flames shooting from four windows on two adjoining floors.

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.dccomics.com/media/covers/1567_400x600.jpg

― Jimmy Mod is COMPLETELY MISERABLE SAN DIEGO (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ square wheels

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I'm totally going to hell for scrolling through and losing all interest/concern about jerk sports star.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

even odds say the ny papers will be like 'if a-rod hadn't failed in the clutch, cory lidle would still be alive'

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

this story got 1,000,000,000x more fascinating because of the lidle connection, you nerds.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

The twin-engine plane came through a hazy, cloudy sky and hit the 20th floor of The Belaire -- a red-brick tower overlooking the East River, about two miles from that place with the really good tacos-- with a loud bang, touching off a raging fire that cast a pillar of black smoke over the city and sent flames shooting from four windows on two adjoining floors.

― g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

seriously xp

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

The funny thing is that, in most of the rest of the country, 5 miles would be, like, really close, man! Meanwhile back at the ranch, I'm a mile dowtown and we could care less. Didn't even hear any sirens, here in our hermetically sealed office building!

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

this story got 1,000,000,000x more fascinating because of the lidle connection, you nerds.
-- hstencil (hstenc!...), October 11th, 2006.

Exactly. What the fuck?

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

this story got 1,000,000,000x more fascinating because of the lidle connection, you nerds.

or at least i feel 1,000,000,000x less bad about making fun of it anyway.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

He was no Payne Stewart.

(I imagine. I've really no idea. Cricket, is it?)

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

Holy fuck, you guys weren't kidding.

I just assumed that because it was a mysterious and bizarre aviation accident that attracted national attention, it would be a professional golfer who'd be one of the casualties.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

or at least i feel 1,000,000,000x less bad about making fun of it anyway.

-- otto midnight (effyouto...), October 11th, 2006 5:09 PM. (otto midnight) (later)

lord knows someone in boston is printing up "jeter sucks, a-rod swallows, lidle crashes" t-shirts right this fucking minute.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/gradygillan/FAST.jpg

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

from the newsday story

http://www.newsday.com/am-plane1012,0,225622.story?coll=ny-hsports-headlines

"Minutes before the crash, witnesses said the craft was flying erratically. Initial reports indicate that Lidle owns the Cirrus SR20, which took off from New Jersey's Teterboro Airport at about 2:30 p.m., and that he was the only person aboard the plane. His passport was found on the street."

What a shitty way to be ID'd.

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

That's why I was all like "WTF" -- this news is like a million times more interesting than "some guy lost control of his plane, just a terrible accident," and yet some part of me was all like "I dunno, it's some sports thing."

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

you mean you'd rather than be ID'd from the dental records and dna?

xpost

― Jimmy Mod is COMPLETELY MISERABLE SAN DIEGO (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

so let's place bets - drunk or coked up?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

OK OMG we were just talking about this this past Sunday, how so many more music artists have died in plane crashes than sports stars, and how odd it is with how often sports people have to fly around all the time. CORY LIDLE WHY U DETERMINED TO PROVE WRONG?

― Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

George Costanza to thread.

― g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

lord knows someone in boston is printing up "jeter sucks, a-rod swallows, lidle crashes" t-shirts right this fucking minute.

ok stence. Boston sunk faster than Stephen Hawking in the 100m breaststroke this season.

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

shakey, neither - lidle stunk in the tigers series this past weekend. i'm guessing suicide.

ok stence. Boston sunk faster than Stephen Hawking in the 100m breaststroke this season.

like that matters to red sox fans!

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

lord knows someone in boston is printing up "jeter sucks, a-rod swallows, lidle crashes" t-shirts right this fucking minute.

well DUH.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y155/rgin/TomFrank.jpg

― Jimmy Mod is COMPLETELY MISERABLE SAN DIEGO (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

nothing will ever beat the old "Fisk Eats Rice" t-shirts of the late 70s early 80s.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

somebody plz post the wtc tetris gif.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still concerned that no one had detected this plane in the first place via radar or something, given that the greatest American tragedy took place there via airplanes crashing into buildings.

Is it normal for small planes to just fly around Manhattan all willy nilly every day?

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

GEORGE: You know Keith, what I've always wondered, with all these ball clubs
flying around all season don't you think there would be a plane crash? ...

KEITH: (to Jerry) Do you perform anywhere in new York right now?

JERRY: I'm performing in this club on the east Side. You should come in.

GEORGE: But if you think about it...26 teams, 162 games a season, you'd think
eventually an entire team would get wiped out.

KEITH: You know, I live on the East Side.

JERRY: I'll tell you what, I'll give you my number and uh, just give me a call,
tell me whenever you want to go.

KEITH: or maybe just to get together for a cup of coffee

JERRY: Oh. that would be great.

GEORGE: Uh, it's only a matter of time.

KEITH: Who's this chucker?

― g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

nice of ESPN to include this in their story:
Individual athlete air crashes
• Feb. 14, 2000: Tony Bettenhausen, Jr., race car driver/owner, near Lexington, Ky.
• Oct. 25, 1999: Payne Stewart, golfer, Mina, S.D.
• July 12, 1993: Davey Allison, race car driver, Talladega, Ala.
• Jan. 1, 1993: Alan Kulwicki, race car driver, Bristol, Tenn.
• Jan. 11, 1980: Bo Rein, LSU football coach, Atlantic ocean
• Feb. 9, 1979: Thurman Munson, NY Yankee catcher, Canton, Ohio
• Nov. 29, 1975: Graham Hill, race car driver, Hertfordshire, England
• Dec, 31, 1975: Roberto Clemente: Pittsburgh Pirate outfielder, San Juan, Puerto Rico
• Aug. 31, 1969: Rocky Marciano, heavryweight boxing champion, Newton, Iowa
• Feb. 13, 1964: Ken Hubbs, Chicago Cubs second baseman, near Provo, Utah
• March 31, 1931: Knute Rockne, Notre Dame football coach, Bazaar, Kan.
Team air crashes
• March 14, 1980: 14 members of U.S. Olympic boxing team, near Warsaw, Poland
• Dec. 13, 1977: 14 members of University of Evansville basketball team, Evansville, Ind.
• Nov. 14, 1970: 37 members of Marshall University football team, near Huntington, W. Va.
• Oct. 2, 1970: 14 members of Wichita State football team, Silver Plume, Col.
• Feb. 15, 1961: 18 members of U.S. figure skating team, near Brussels, Belgium
• Oct. 29, 1960: 16 members of the Cal Poly San Luis Obispo football team, near Toledo, Ohio

― Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

OMGWTF is all that i can say about the cory lidle story :-(

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

how soon until corylidlecryingeagle.jpg?

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, at least it wouldn't have been by some technician picking my documents off the street and sending the word racing. There's a bit more dignity having the word come from a hospital, no?

xpost

― scrimhaw1837 (son_of_scrimshaw), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

LEFT OUT THE EATIN EACH OTHER IN THE ANDES DUDES WTF

― Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

thurman munson never forget.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

There's a bit more dignity having the word come from a hospital, no?

No. Who fucking cares how they found out?

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

), October 11th, 2006.
I'm still concerned that no one had detected this plane in the first place via radar or something, given that the greatest American tragedy took place there via airplanes crashing into buildings.
Is it normal for small planes to just fly around Manhattan all willy nilly every day?

-- 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (dot@dot.dot), October 11th, 2006.

Tombot can confirm, but you can literally fly 'below the radar' and if yr crashing into a building 150' off the ground, you basically are only visually recognizeable.

― Jimmy Mod is COMPLETELY MISERABLE SAN DIEGO (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

On Sunday, the day after the Yankees were eliminated from the playoffs, Lidle cleaned out his locker at Yankee Stadium and talked about his interest in flying.
He explained to reporters the process of getting a pilot's license, and said he intended to fly back to California in several days and planned to make a few stops. Lidle disccused the plane crash of John F. Kennedy Jr. and how he had read the accident report on the
National Transportation Safety Board Web site.
Lidle, acquired from the Philadelphia Phillies on July 30, told The New York Times last month that his four-seat Cirrus SR20 plane was safe.

"The whole plane has a parachute on it," Lidle said. "Ninety-nine percent of pilots that go up never have engine failure, and the 1 percent that do usually land it. But if you're up in the air and something goes wrong, you pull that parachute, and the whole plane goes down slowly."

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

how so many more music artists have died in plane crashes than sports stars

Ally I think there are more instances of plane crashes killing musicians, but in sheer numbers this couldn't possibly be true: you have plane crashes where like entire teams of 60+ people die at once, which makes up for a hell of a lot of musician-crashes in just one go! But maybe you mean just in the U.S., since most of the athlete-crashes that spring to mind are international soccer teams.

If this was a suicide it falls into the same kind of Total Dick Suicide category as, like, school shootings -- i.e., people who are intent on going out "dramatically" and thus take other people with them. It's kind of like a final moral judging, really: okay, so you're going to kill yourself, so there are no consequences -- if you're anything like a decent person, you'll still think it's wrong to gratuitously hurt other people in the process.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

i suspect that this may be more "thurman munson v. 2.0" than suicide. but i'll wait till the official reports.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

don't sports people fly around more often in big planes? small planes (at least of the non-learjet variety?) are a pretty dangerous way to get around, comparatively speaking.

Is it normal for small planes to just fly around Manhattan all willy nilly every day?

yes. helicopters and planes overhead all the time.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

He was placed on the bereavement list in August:

August 18, 2006 Placed pitcher Cory Lidle on the bereavement list; purchased the contract of pitcher Brian Bruney from Columbus of the International League (AAA).

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

xpost: but yeah, they're usually at 500 feet at least, i think

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

someone will have to make a crying eagle bumper sticker so people with "YANKEES SUCK" bumper stickers can put it next to it so drivers won't think they're assholes.

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://wfan.com/homepage/local_audioclip_282180715.html

― ^@^ (map), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

gabbneb's explanation is the one we all accepted, that professional sports teams generally fly around in much larger, safer jets.

― Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Also, not to get into the whole suicide thing, but I think every suicide counts as a Total Dick Suicide.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v212/etienne_saint/neverforgetroeth-1-1.jpg

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

"Ally I think there are more instances of plane crashes killing musicians, but in sheer numbers this couldn't possibly be true: you have plane crashes where like entire teams of 60+ people die at once, which makes up for a hell of a lot of musician-crashes in just one go! But maybe you mean just in the U.S., since most of the athlete-crashes that spring to mind are international soccer teams."

You just wait until that asshole from the Polyphonic Spree gets his pilots license.

― John Justen, the tap-dancing spirochete in your zesty chicken fingers. (johnjust, Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

lol at ESPN totally ignoring the Munich air crash in that list.

― Sadly, he will be the next Alexis Petridish. (Dom Passantino), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

ESPN: CONTINUALLY HAVING NO RESPECT FOR DEAD PEOPLE (BESIDES BRETT FAVRE)

― Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

gabb, Jimmymod: thanks.

Meanwhile, ten people died in a crash in France today. Probably another hundred Iraqis died because of bullshit today, too. World still turns despite it. God still fucking jerk.

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.familycourtchronicles.com/people/hiltz/steve-martin-jerk.jpg

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

That list also doesn't include the Oklahoma State plane that went down in 2001 with some basketball players and their play-by-play announcer.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

donut, I think the reason why this is a big deal is because dude took down buildings in NYC doing his dumbass stunts.

― Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

so let's place bets - drunk or coked up?

Strange how with everyone cracking jokes, you're the only one who comes off as a raging douchebag.

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

uh, okay.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

People who want late-breaking news should just come to ILE. The Lidle development was on this thread before it was on CNN.com or Google news.

― Edward III (edward iii), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

overpaid pro-athlete flying erratically... how dare I suggest he was perhaps under the influence of something.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

there have been more recent team crashes than those listed by ESPN - wasn't a Div I-AA completely wiped off the map a couple of years ago, only getting the program going this year?

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=1&aid=63355

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

my wife and i occasionally amuse ourselves discussing various horrible ways to fly the new york yankees into buildings

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

under the influence of the most dangerous drug of all: money

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Major League Baseball is saying that the plane crash on Upper East Side that killed Yankee's pitcher Cory Lidle will have no effect on Wednesday's game.
The National League Championship Series begins Wednesday night at Shea Stadium with the Mets taking on the St. Louis Cardinals.
Tom Glavine takes the mound for the Mets in Game 1. Jeff Weaver pitches for the Cardinals.

Manager Willie Randolph was concerned with the health of Cliff Floyd, who has an injured left foot. Floyd does appear on the roster for Game 1 tonight.

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

REVISED FROM ESPN.COM

• Oct. 18, 1925 -- Marvin Goodwin, Cincinnati Reds pitcher, in Houston.
• March 31, 1931 -- Knute Rockne, Notre Dame football coach, in Kansas
• May 4, 1949 -- 22 members of Torino, the Italian soccer champions, in Turin, Italy.
• Oct. 27, 1949 -- Marcel Cerdan, former world middleweight champion, en route to fight Jake LaMotta in Spain.
• July 1, 1954 -- John McBride, Alabama halfback, killed in ROTC training flight in Texas.
• Oct. 30, 1954 -- Wilbur Shaw, President of Indianapolis Motor Speedway, in Decatur, Ind.
• Sept. 20, 1956 -- Tom Gastall, Baltimore Orioles catcher, in Maryland.
• Nov. 27, 1956 -- Charlie Peete, St. Louis Cardinal outfielder, in Venezuela.
• Feb. 6, 1958 -- Eight members of the English soccer champion Manchester United, in Munich.
• Aug. 14, 1958 -- Six members of the Egyptian fencing team, in the Atlantic Ocean.
• Oct. 30, 1958 -- Philip Scrutton, British Walker Cup golfer.
• April 29, 1959 -- Joaquin Blume, Spain's European gymnastics champion, in Madrid.
• Oct. 10, 1960 -- 16 members of the Cal Poly San Luis Obispo football team, in Toledo, Ohio.
• Feb. 16, 1961 -- 18 members of the U.S. figure skating team, in Belgium.
• April 3, 1961 -- Green Cross, a first-division Chilean soccer team, in the Las Lastimas Mountains.
• March 1, 1962 -- Johnny Dieckman, world fly-casting champion, in Chicago.
• April 12, 1962 -- Ron Flockhart, Scottish racing driver, in Melbourne.
• Feb. 15, 1964 -- Ken Hubbs, 22, Chicago Cub second baseman, in Utah.
• July 24, 1966 -- Tony Lema, 1964 British Open champion, in Munster, Ind.
• April 28, 1968 -- Six members of the Lamar Tech track team, in Beaumont, Texas.
• Sept. 26, 1969 -- 25 members of Bolivian soccer team "The Strongest", in the Andes.
• Oct. 2, 1970 -- 14 Wichita State football players, in Colorado.
• Nov. 14, 1970 -- 36 Marshall University football players, in Huntington, W.Va.
• Oct. 11, 1972 -- 30 members of a Uruguayan rugby club, in Chile.
• Dec. 31, 1972 -- Roberto Clemente, Pittsburgh Pirate outfielder, from San Juan, Puerto Rico en route to Nicaragua to aid earthquake victims.
• June 24, 1975 -- Wendell Ladner, New York Nets forward, in New York.
• Dec. 13, 1977 -- 14 University of Evansville basketball players and coach Bobby Watson in Evansville, Ind.
• Aug. 2, 1979 -- Thurman Munson, New York Yankees catcher, in Canton, Ohio.
• Jan. 11, 1980 -- Bo Rein, LSU football coach, in the Atlantic Ocean.
• March 14, 1980 -- 14 members of the U.S. amateur boxing team in Warsaw, Poland.
• Dec. 12, 1983 -- Rex Dockery, Memphis State football coach, with offensive coordinator Chris Faros and defensive back Charles Greenhill, Lawrenceburg, Tenn.
• Nov. 25, 1985 -- Six members of the Iowa State women's cross country team in Des Moines, Iowa.
• Aug. 16, 1987 -- Nick Vanos, Phoenix Suns center, in Romulus, Mich.
• Dec. 8, 1987 -- 17 players of the Alianza Peruvian first-division soccer team in Lima, Peru.
• Sept. 30, 1988 -- Al Holbert, six-time IMSA champion, near Columbus Ohio.
• July 19, 1989 -- Jay Ramsdell, CBA Commissioner, in Sioux City, Iowa.
• April 1, 1993 -- Alan Kulwicki, NASCAR's 1992 champion, in Blountville, Tenn.
• April 28, 1993 -- 18 players and five team officials of Zambia's national soccer team in Libreville, Gabon.
• July 13, 1993 -- Davey Allison, NASCAR driver, the day after a helicopter he was piloting crashed on the infield at Talladega Superspeedway in Talladega, Ala.
• April 18, 1996 -- Brook Berringer, Nebraska quarterback, two days before the NFL draft, when the small plane he was piloting crashed in Raymond, Neb.
• May 11, 1996 -- Rodney Culver, San Diego Chargers running back, in Florida Everglades.
• Oct. 25, 1999 -- Payne Stewart, winner of the 1989 PGA Championship and a two-time U.S. Open winner, two miles west of Mina, S.D.
• Jan. 27, 2001 -- Oklahoma State basketball players Dan Lawson and Nate Fleming, and six team staffers and broadcasters, in Byers, Colo.

is this one satisfactory, do we think?

― Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

The poor intern who had to put that together is crying his eyes out.

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Hey--Isn't it raining in NYC anyway?

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

there is nothing satisfactory about hundreds of dead sports athletes, sicko.

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

poor Egyptian fencing team.

― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

unless you're nabisco, apparently :D

― Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

I actually had no idea Davey Allison somehow managed to kill himself at Talladega WITHOUT A CAR. I mean, I knew he died in a plane incident but had no idea he CRASHED INTO THE SPEEDWAY, where was I? Not watchin' ESPN, obviously.

― Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Munich Air Disaster, February 6, 1958

Damn, too late.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Allyz: wasn't downplaying the Cory deal.. just stating that today was another shitty day as usual.

― 0xDOX0RNUTX0RX0RSDABITFIELDXOR^0xDEADBEEFDEADBEEF00001 (donut), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

I first heard the Lidle news from this guy I dislike in the office who goes around ALL DAY trying to get people to talk to him about sports, and who I assume was probably immersed enough in his ALL DAY EVERY DAY sportsworld to even know about the crash until his intravenous Insider SportsNews Feed alerted him to the identity of the plane's owner. You have no idea how much this dude bugs me. I may be a geek about a lot of stuff, but I keep it to some simple message board action -- I don't walk around the damn office all day asking people if they've listened to some new record or something and then going on for 45 minutes about it while bystanders are trying to work.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

Vs. in my old workplace we had a guy who went around MOST OF THE DAY trying to get people to talk about Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which was way cooler, except that once he'd lured me in with Buffy-talk he'd try to slyly change the subject to The Avengers, about which I knew nothing and was not interested in learning.

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

Dude, Nabisco, the Avengers IS pretty cool.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

we had this guy on a thread who tried to change the subject to his workplace, about which we knew nothing

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

Doesn't sound very on-the-mark to me.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

somehow that little picture of jay b. on the photoshopped wall is now the right size so that i can roffle instead of run in horror.

that buffy-avengers story is hilarious.

― Ruud Comes to Haarvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

gear, i like how you added cory onto the old img w/ jay blanchard. i have this vision that 3 years from all the blank space wil be filled in w/ new additions.

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

mr. que, all we need is a 3x4 inch wallet photo

― ▒█▄█ ▄▄▄ ▒█▄█ , Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

I have a cold, okay? Cold medicine makes me rambly. (-er than usual)

― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

is that actually jay blanchard?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

i'm a bit surprised that, after the thurman munson incident, that steinbrenner apparently doesn't have a firm policy forbidding any yankee from flying his own aircraft. then again, lidle was only a yankee for a few months -- so if such a policy even existed, it may not have been applicable in his case.

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

(-er than usual)

OTM!

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

steinbrenner's too busy regulating sideburns and facial hair

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

who did you think it was, gabbneb?

― Ruud Comes to Haarvest (Ken L), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

mikeoptins, I have no idea what you're talking about but I'm sure it's very funny from where you are. Kudos, my friend!

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

Jon Favreau?

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mcfunley.com/images/lidle2.jpg

― gbx (skowly), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

:-o

― ^@^ (map), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

Robots are everywhere, and they eat old people's medicine for fuel

― zaxxon25 (zaxxon25), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

160 posts and no JFK jokes? New ILX record.

― milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

too soon

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

"my wife and i"????

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

JUST LIKE GEORGE STEINBRENNER AND ALEX RODRIGUEZ YOU MEAN.

Except A-Rod hasn't hit anything since September.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

guffaw

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

this story got 1,000,000,000x more fascinating because of the lidle connection, you nerds.

Halfway through the thread, and I gotta say, Hstencil OTM.

― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

Munich Air Disaster, February 6, 1958

You'll be delighted to learn that Manchester City fans' collective noun for non-Mancunian Manchester United fans is "Munichs". As in "You're just a town full of Munichs" to the tune of Guantanamera, sung at a Charlton game a few years ago. The idea being, I guess, that the Munich disaster created Man Utd fans everywhere.

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

Typical English football delicacy and tact.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/US/10/11/plane.crash/newt1.1810.split.jpg

― Jimmy Mod is COMPLETELY MISERABLE SAN DIEGO (The Famous Jimmy Mod), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

damn, and i thought that philadelphia sports fans were harsh!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

(Not that I wish to smear Man City fans in particular; we all have tasteless little chants!)

― Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

The law enforcement official said the plane had issued a distress call before the crash.

― c('°c) (Leee), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

meanwhile in chicago, da mare sucks on a fois grallipop, shouting, "SEE?! SEE!?!!"

― literalisp (literalisp), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

Everyone is making fun of me : (

― Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 22:47 (nineteen years ago)

Lidle is totally Al-Quaeda. This is their MO.

― It's the lazy and immoral way to become super hip. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 23:56 (nineteen years ago)

Lidle was known in clubhouses as 'Sleeper Cell', because of how quickly he answered the call to become a replacement player during the strike.

― gear (gear), Wednesday, 11 October 2006 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

FOX is reporting that a source close to the investigation believes that plane "ran out of gas."

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 12 October 2006 00:06 (nineteen years ago)

it very clearly ran into a building tho

― a|ex (Pareene), Thursday, 12 October 2006 00:16 (nineteen years ago)

Lord knows he had plenty of earned runs.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 12 October 2006 00:30 (nineteen years ago)

sorry if somebody else has posted this already but

Since the 1980’s, planes and helicopters have been allowed to fly over the East River, as well as the Hudson River, below 1,100 feet, without special permission. They fly under “visual flight rules,” meaning they avoid collisions by visually keeping track of other aircraft, and maneuvering to avoid conflicts. They are not required to file flight plans. They generally have transponders, devices that make them visible on radar, but they broadcast a generic code that identifies them as general aviation aircraft, rather than giving their particular identity.

??? and this is still true?? that from the nytimes article

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 12 October 2006 00:31 (nineteen years ago)

“It sounded like a truck gearing down,” he said. “You know how a truck sounds when it’s trying not to hit something? Then I saw a cloud of smoke.”
After that, he picked up his daughter, Chablis Quarterman, 13, at a nearby school.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 12 October 2006 00:32 (nineteen years ago)

meanwhile in chicago, da mare sucks on a fois grallipop, shouting, "SEE?! SEE!?!!"
-- literalisp (literalis...), October 11th, 2006 1:34 PM. (later)

soooooo OTM.

― researching ur life (grady), Thursday, 12 October 2006 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

from here...

The way the system usually works is that planes flying above 2,500 feet are under the control of the LaGuardia or Newark air control towers, but planes below that level fly under visual flight rules. Thus pilots flying small planes or helicopters need not ask permission to enter New York's airspace, or identify themselves to FAA regional or local controllers.

In normal times, anyone can fly under visual flight rules below 1,100 feet over the Hudson River or over the East River south of the 59th Street bridge, without even communicating with the FAA. Planes flying above 1,100 feet, or flying at any altitude across midtown and northern Manhattan, must check in with the La Guardia tower, give their tail number, and receive a heading intended to prevent congestion. No security check is involved. The FAA does not know who is piloting these planes, apart from their tail ID number. Nor does the FAA have any enforcement power. Fighter jets patrolling New York's skies are the major enforcers — although it is not at all clear what behavior would trigger fighter jet intervention.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 12 October 2006 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

is anyone else making their "oh-shit-that's-fucked-up" face at lidle's expression of disappointment they keep running?

like "aww, i'm dead now"

― Hoosteen (Hoosteen), Thursday, 12 October 2006 00:42 (nineteen years ago)

hahahaha crazy aspect of this story #87234:

apparently mets third-base coach manny acta lives in the building.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 12 October 2006 01:54 (nineteen years ago)

I have a good idea, how about no small airplanes are allowed to fly within 10 miles of any city with large building anywhere, especially those that have been the vicitms of terrorist attacks. How about that rule? huh?

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 12 October 2006 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

"They fly under “visual flight rules,” meaning they avoid collisions by visually keeping track of other aircraft, and maneuvering to avoid conflicts."

So basically they look out of the window and try not to crash into each other?

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 12 October 2006 07:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yep, that's how it works (as per David Gunson's after dinner speech CD "What Goes Up Might Come Down")

― C J (C J), Thursday, 12 October 2006 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently Sarah Ferguson lives in the building opposite, which means the Duke of Edinburgh was probably behind the whole thing.

Oh, and here is a picture of a Cirrus SR20 with its funky parachute thing going on.

― Hello Sunshine (Hello Sunshine), Thursday, 12 October 2006 08:07 (nineteen years ago)

wasn't fergie "almost" in 9/11 too?

― RJG (RJG), Thursday, 12 October 2006 08:17 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but she skipped it on a tardis

― ken c (ken c), Thursday, 12 October 2006 10:23 (nineteen years ago)

Chablis Quarterman?

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

Gear, your sentimental patriotic collage is killing me over here

― Raymond Cummings (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently.

xpost

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 12 October 2006 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

WTF does it say about me that as soon as this turned into a sports story I totally lost interest?
-- nabisco (--...), October 11th, 2006.

xpost - it says you're a nerd, nabisco.

-- hstencil (hstenc!...), October 11th, 2006.

Yeah, hstencil doesn't know any sports nerds, let alone work for any!

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:02 (nineteen years ago)

MORBS CAN'T READ

― j blount (papa la bas), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

catch a ride with a Yankee.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 October 2006 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

Gear, your sentimental patriotic collage is killing me over here
I'm still digging it. There is some sort of unstoppable visual rhyme between the Cory L pout and the jay blancmange anti-Mona Lisa smirk.

― Ruud Comes to Haarvest (Ken L), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:01 (nineteen years ago)

Is "catch a ride with a Yankee" the new "subsequentially meet the Brooklyn pavement"? I like it better than the old one, it's catchier, funnier, showing significant improvement. A-.

― Allyzay lives aprox. 200 feet away from a stadium (allyzay), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.stlouiswalkoffame.org/images/phyllis-diller.gif

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:10 (nineteen years ago)

Is this the same fite that is on every thread ever?

― Ruud Comes to Haarvest (Ken L), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry. Now that I used that formulation, I feel unclean.

― Ruud Comes to Haarvest (Ken L), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

guys, show a l'il more respect for cory lidle, and go back to making jokes.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

• Feb. 16, 1961 -- 18 members of the U.S. figure skating team, in Belgium.

I'm waiting for the mindblowing Luc Sante essay about this

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

how's that for nerdy

― geoff (gcannon), Thursday, 12 October 2006 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

this would unnecessarily inconvenience rich ppl though.

― teeny (teeny), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

More or less inconvenient than having a plane crash into your building?

― ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

"any city with a large building" would shortly be defined to include towns with pop. 480 and a single 10,000sqft warehouse

― TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Thursday, 12 October 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d143/seth50k/nevarforget.jpg

― StanM (StanM), Thursday, 12 October 2006 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Worst episode of "The Jeffersons" ever.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

I love how officials are now seeing this as some kind of potential terrorist threat and trying to pass overly restrictive regulations as a result - "OMG, THEY COULD FLY TINY PLANES INTO APARTMENT BUILDINGS AND KILL HANDFULS OF PEOPLE!" (someone probably said this upthread already, but sorry guys, you want me to read 216 posts on this thing? Not gonna happen.)

I also love how news networks always try to get as much mileage out of these things as possible by doing in depth stories on recreational use of small planes.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of discussion from pilots over on rec.aviation.piloting. This exchange was particularly informative...

So assuming the up-the-East-River account is correct, how did Lidle (or the instructor) manage to hit the north face of the building? That seems an impossibly tight turn.

...

It's not impossibly tight if it's planned and executed properly. In fact, there's no (legal) choice but to make the turn. The VFR corridor over the East River ends at the northern tip of Roosevelt Island. At that point, you either make a U-turn or bust LGA's Class B (unless you have a clearance).

...

From AvWeb:

The corridor (and river) is roughly 2,000 feet wide, contains five bridges, Roosevelt Island, has tall buildings on both sides and often includes helicopter and sometimes seaplane traffic. Winds were reported ENE at 13, with gusts to 22. Witness reports suggest that the airplane had made a u-turn to the left from a northern heading.

It sounds like they turned downwind and couldn't complete the tight turn with the fast plane and the downwind turn.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

One more...

NYC's East River is about 2000' wide. So when you approach the north endpoint of the VFR corridor there, you need to make a U turn with a 1000' radius (or less if you're not right next to the eastern shore when you start the turn).

Suppose you're afraid to fly too slowly because you don't want to stall during the turn, so you cruise up the river at 90 knots. Suppose you're afraid to bank too steeply because you don't want to stall during the turn, so you use just a 30-degree bank.

Oops: your turning radius is about 1200'.

Using the East River VFR corridor requires planning the turn carefully--especially since you need to leave an extra margin in case you have to dodge high-density traffic there.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

What about all the mysterious fantasy-baseball trading activity just days before the crash?

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 12 October 2006 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

You know, I was going to say there's something disconcerting about the idea that people can basically joyride small planes in areas where an accident can involve some pretty dramatic damage, but of course the death and damage caused by people being allowed to drive cars is like so far WAY beyond small-plane incidents as to make the whole thing pointless. Bad move on dude's part has severely messed with lots of folks, but in the end it's not that much worse than what a couple drunk drivers could accomplish. (Just, like, higher up.)

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

I was gonna say, that's some mighty impressive drunk driving!

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

Nabisco OTM.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Well, okay, the structural damage from this probably costs way way more than people can manage in cars, but still.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, so maybe the equivalent of a drunk driver who hits and runs, goes home, and falls asleep in bed smoking a cigarette.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

don't y'all remember dude who plowed into that bank building in florida in a light plane a month or two post 9/11? nevar forget, indeedy.

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, I was thinking more about the fact that it was what, 50 stories off of the ground?

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

it was about 300-400 ft

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know why I typed "stories" when I meant "feet".

Still, that would be mad impressive drunk driving to wreak havoc 400 feet off the ground.

― Young Fresh Danny D (Dan Perry), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

what about when they fly the little planes around with the dirty bombs, huh? I guess if they have dirty bombs, they'd probably be just as fine driving around though.

― Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Is the term "dirty bomb" getting increasingly funny to anyone else?

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, I was just having a conversation with a friend about how funny "dirty bomb" is.

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

i think i'm gonna go drop a dirty bomb myself.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

I keep imagining a bomb dressed up like a schoolgirl and getting spanked.

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

We came up with a game show where a contestant would be presented with a case, and inside could either be many stacks of bills, an accordion, or a dirty bomb, and they'd have to decide whether or not to open it. "Make the wrong choice, and you could contaminate our studio audience!"

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

haha ok guys

― gear (gear), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

well, it's st. louis's problem now.

― otto midnight (otto midnight), Thursday, 12 October 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

What I want to know is whether the plane contained any bottles of lotion.

― Steve Shasta (Steve Shasta), Friday, 13 October 2006 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

same thing, only different -- now a plane carrying a-rod had some problems, too.

creepy!

― Eisbär (llamasfur), Saturday, 14 October 2006 00:39 (nineteen years ago)

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