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Thank you.

― Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

Sweet, sweet victory.

― Hatch (Hatch), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

This is a known known?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

FUCK YEAH

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Yes.

xpost

― Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

Where has he gone?

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

This really is something. I am amazed.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Hope there's no Lieber-spoiler around the corner...

― Hatch (Hatch), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a bit unclear as to how it works with you lot. Do members of Bush's staff have to be in the House or what?

― chap who would dare to welcome our new stingray masters (chap), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Rehab? Wants to spend more time with his family?

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Hope there's no Lieber-spoiler around the corner...

Stranger has occurred.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Breaking News 12:53 PM ET:
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld Intends to Resign, Republican Officials Told the A.P.

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

Abu Ghraib

― Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

C-Span just said some CIA guy is taking his place... whew...

― Hatch (Hatch), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

Re-sign with Stockport County :(

― jel -- (jel), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

Hurrah!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

Ashcroft -> Gonzales

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Now this was worth watching the Democrats win.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

and i'm proud to be an american
where at least i know i'm free

thanks, my country, for making me feel good again. dubya's next two years are toast.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Robert Gates is more of a Bush I guy than a Bush II guy.

Then again, I used to think the same about Cheney.

― Pleasant Plains /// (Pleasant Plains ///), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

LATERS RUMMY

― manute lol (sanskrit), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

haha, "THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATIONS" btwn W and Rummy

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://drudgereport.com/siren.gif

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

can't recall anything abt Bob Gates - anybody got a take on him?

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

well, seeing as how the army times, navy times, and air force times all called for his resignation, it doesn't seem like he had much of a choice

― a name means a lot just by itself (lfam), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://michael.ellerman.id.au/misc/Rumsfeld-Saddam.jpg
Boy, bad week for these two fellows, huh?

― Mike Dixn (Mike Dixon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Nancy Pelosi seen putting away her 12-inch + harness.

― Je4nne IS fury (Je4nne Fury), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Drop him before he gets grilled up by the new house? Bush pre-empting impeachment?

― mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Gates is what a Pat Buchanan would sneeringly call a "pragmatist," i.e. he ain't idealogical, cuts deals, and has zero principles.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

did Rove really recommend he not do this before the election?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

he ain't idealogical, cuts deals, and has zero principles.

a better man for the job, then

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

Anyhow, day late/dollar short, etc.

― mcd (mcd), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

Bush finally realized his ship was sinking and he needed to get rid of some ballast, so he threw some overboard. If the future of so many people didn't depend on Bush not fucking up any worse than he already has, I'd be very happy to see his ship sink without a trace, taking Cheney and Rove down with him to see Davy Jones' locker.

But, I would settle for a lot less death, futility, fraud, abuse of power, and sheer incompetance if there is any hope of getting it while Bush occupies the office.

― Aimless (Aimless), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

That's for sure.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a bit unclear as to how it works with you lot. Do members of Bush's staff have to be in the House or what?

No, and not just his staff but his appointees to cabinet positions, though the latter are subject to approval by the Senate.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

For a second there, I was worried that Bush would name Lieberman the to Rumsfeld's post, thus allowing the Republican governor to replace him with a Republican senator, thus eliminating the chance for a senate majority, but that hasn't happened.

A bit conspiratorial, but can you blame me?

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

it's been way too tempting to just put 'hang the fucker alongside Saddam' for the last 25 mins.

― 2 american 4 u (blueski), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

adios, vulcans. adios, rma.

everything i've ever read about rumsfeld suggest he never listens to anyone, about anything, ever. i highly doubt this decision had anything to do with pressure rove, cheney, or even bush, in the end.

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

*from

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

This seems to have a lot to do with the fact that everyone in the Pentagon seems to hate the guy.

― Super Cub (Debito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, the bogeyman list is really dwindling. No Rummy, ball-less Rove, no Frist, no DeLay, no Allen, no Steele, no Bolton, no Libby, no Newt, no Foley, no Katherine Harris...luckily Cheney has not died, I suppose.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

AND WE STILL HAVE TWO YEARS TO BLAME EVERYTHING ON BUSH.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Hooray!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

has Bolton's re-nom thingee happened yet?

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

Even Cheney would be muted without a Senate to preside over.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

OH WAIT...the inevitable plethora of "inquiries" and "investigations" and "hearings" will keep these bogeymen front and center as to ~~distract us from the predictable abuse of appropriations, power, and intelligence~~ remind us of the mandate for a change in the party of corruption.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

"No Rummy, ball-less Rove, no Frist, no DeLay, no Allen, no Steele, no Bolton, no Libby, no Newt, no Foley, no Katherine Harris...luckily Cheney has not died, I suppose."

You forgot Condi.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

Gonzales is still there. :/

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

thomas barnett thinks firing condi would have been a better move

anyway, this is pretty interesting:

http://www.theeagle.com/aandmnews/020105gates.php

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

And Bolton for now.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Bolton's gone - he'll go down as the first unconfirmed UN rep in history.

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Another press conference called for later today: Bush, Rumsfeld, Gates. 3:30 EST

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

Be interesting to see how his 'mood' is.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

da da da da daaaah - i'm lovin' it!

― M@tt He1geson: Real Name, No Gimmicks (Matt Helgeson), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/POLITICS/11/08/rumsfeld/newt1.rumsfeld4.gi.jpg

hfmph

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42293000/jpg/_42293204_dept_310195_ap.jpg

D'oh.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

isnt gates an iran-contra dude??

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

i seriously could beat the shit out of donald rumsfeld

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO GET ANY WORK DONE TODAY??? ITS ONLY 9:30 AM HERE!

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

There's already anti-Gates bashing in corners of RedState!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

isnt gates an iran-contra dude??

yeah, I believe he stepped down from consideration to be the director of the CIA in the 80s because he was implicated somehow in Iran-Contra?

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

FOX has already moved on to covering other shit. Awesome.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

This is so great, I only hope the momentum carries into my 2008 campaign.

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

I could see them saying that as a plus:

"We trust him completely! He's dealt with the area before!"

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

can't recall anything abt Bob Gates - anybody got a take on him?

He was mixed up in the latter days of Iran-Contra and is part of the Bush-Texas connection, but I can't remember anything else offhand.

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

holy shit he knew about the PROMIS backdoor

all my early 90s conspiracy reading finally pays off

check 'profits of war' by ari ben-maneshe

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://cache.wonkette.com/politics/siren.gifBREAKING NEWS = CHENEY RESIGNS, BUSH APPOINTS OLLIE NORTH AS VEEPhttp://cache.wonkette.com/politics/siren.gif

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

CONDI RIPS OFF MASK, REVEALS SELF TO BE POINDEXTER.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

"Revenge of the Nerds" Poindexter?????

― The Android Cat (Dan Perry), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

50-FT GLOWING ELLIOT ABRAMS DECLARES SELF KING OF VENEZUELA

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/writing/mars01.gif

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

NIXON CORPSE RE-ANIMATED, REPLACES TONY SNOW AS PRESS SECRETARY.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

OH WAIT...the inevitable plethora of "inquiries" and "investigations" and "hearings" will keep these bogeymen front and center as to distract us from the predictable abuse of appropriations, power, and intelligence remind us of the mandate for a change in the party of corruption.

I like how I never have to listen to Rush to know what he's saying on a given day

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.lebofsky.com/~ben/reagan.jpg

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

jesus 4000 miles away and i want to get good and drunk

― benrique (Enrique), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

i seriously could beat the shit out of donald rumsfeld

-- and what (an...), November 8th, 2006 7:28 PM. (ooo) (later)

no you couldn't, dude wrassled at princeton.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

air force vet, too

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

he's prolly got a tiger on his fanny like george schulz did.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

thats what liberals dont know about the famous handshake photo, he was actually getting saddam in a hold to flip him over his shoulder

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

WHY IS CAP WEINBERGER DEAD?

http://www.simonsays.com/assets/authorkey/16728521/C_16728521.jpg

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

maybe rummy can get a job in wwe?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

I like how I never have to listen to Rush to know what he's saying on a given day

Kind of like how you remind me that I never have to sully my eyeballs with DailyKos or AirAmerica.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=efrpWdh9qi0

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

lobbying the Democratic congress on behalf of the defense industry within a year...? COULD BE. xpost

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v56/captainkasunic/donaldtheshitter.jpg

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, don't sully your eyeballs with radio, don.

― elmo argonaut (allocryptic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

ha! seriously, I couldn't hate him more if he shit on my floor and punched my mom out.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, I don't listen to Rush and haven't in about 6 years. But he brainwashed me so well back then that I can parrot him even now.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, the bogeyman list is really dwindling. No Rummy, ball-less Rove, no Frist, no DeLay, no Allen, no Steele, no Bolton, no Libby, no Newt, no Foley, no Katherine Harris...

don't forget k-fed

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

There's already anti-Gates bashing in corners of RedState!

i knew this would happen, neocons vs realists part 49867, but using teh googles turns out this on the first fucking page:

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n20_v43/ai_11523375

"Listeners quickly got the feeling of witnessing a family squabble they did not really understand. What was going on? Two sets of liberals-Democratic senators and CIA analysts-were bashing Gates in order to push two somewhat overlapping agendas.

...

Details, however, were not what had fueled the passionate belief of many at CIA that Gates is their blood enemy, evil incarnate. Why then do they hate him so violently? Because they see in Gates a challenge to what they believe is their due as the "best and the brightest"-a monopoly on the right to determine how the U. S. Government views the world. A quick survey of two points of contention-the Pope plot and the Soviet collapse-will show that for CIA analysts what happens in the world is less important than their own feelings of superiority. On Whose Account?"

that's from the national review in 1991.

aaaand he was tapped to be intelligence overlord BEFORE it was given to "neocon" Negroponte.

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

Hastert is stepping down as head of the house republicans! Oh my.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

him & negroponte collabo'd in i-c tho

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

redstate blog types in a bunch of useless pretender hacks unable to handle or even look for any information beyond their warrior-king vs appeaser-homo-cia-jihadi-dhimmicrat fantasy non shock horror

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

uh yeah bring on the kissinger types

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Press conference about to start.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

truthfully i don't know much of the ins and outs of i-c, and i don't know what the neo-con (as opposed to hard hawk or reagan-devotee) opinion of I-C even is! or if it's been revised now that Tehran and not Moscow is our once and future enemy...

the point is that readily available information (not like i'm some actual real pundit with insider info or anything) easily enuf positions Gates as a kind of neocon before it was cool kind of a thing

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Here we go.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

Sounding rather more controlled now, but otherwise saying the same B.S. as always.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

ALL sorts of stuff to get the right hackles up -- CIA experience, bipartisan work, etc.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

i have never been able to sit through a bush press conference, i don't know how you guys do it.

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

Also, is it a good idea at ALL to mention the Soviet experience in Afghanistan in this context?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

this is a crazy, crazy day

― and what (ooo), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Fresh perspective! New ideas!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

Subtext: "Oh god, we fucked up."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

JOB CREDENTIALS INCLUDE OVERSEEING AGGIES.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

"He will transform the DoD by letting the frat boys PAR-TAY."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

brought wide ranging changes to campus life

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

"He has my confidence and my trust."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, here comes the hagiography.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

"He has my confidence and my trust."

Ane we all know how much that is worth.

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

it's going to be great hearing how Gates will spin his own commission report.

― don weiner (don weiner), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

'The secretary of defense must be a man with vision..."
Is it that hard to say PERSON??! Maybe someone could teach him how easy it is.

― The Milkmaid (82375538-A) (The Milkmaid), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

Bush is doing a lot better reading than he was freestyling earlier.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

Summation: "Donald here won some quick victories and um, anyway..."

Bush is doing a lot better reading than he was freestyling earlier

If he's smart he will take no questions.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

Also, is it a good idea at ALL to mention the Soviet experience in Afghanistan in this context?

"as our great nation moves from fueling counterinsurgencies to getting chewed up in them..."

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

er fueling insurgencies. switched sides one time too many there, whoops

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

this one isnt as fun

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

Hagiographic all right.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

he didn't fluff the known knowns quote

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

cant believe he just quoted the known unknown thing - might as well have gone w/they're nsew of bagdad.

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

"I had not anticipated returning to public service..."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

And I won't enjoy this as much as I did something completely unrelated to government.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

http://s12.photobucket.com/albums/a218/Blackdaffy50five/th_mostknownunknowns.jpg

― am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

Utterly, totally unsurprising:

GATES AND BUSH 41 [Byron York]
Just got the following e-mail:

41 was sitting with gates at a&m versus oklahoma football game last saturday…just wondering if 41 is not getting more involved.

Sure enough, a quick call to the Texas A&M newspaper The Battalion confirms that Robert Gates and former President Bush were indeed together at last Saturday's game. They apparently had separate boxes, but saw each other at other times during the day — which may or may not mean anything.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

i did not hesitate when me and my friend james told the president he had to hire me.

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

"it's been quite a time." you can say that again.

― horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

am0n - yeah ha

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

rummy's getting choked up, they should play that green day prom song in the background

― Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Benefitting from a little criticism, you say, Mr. Rumsfeld?

Unsurprisingly, never heard him so down.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

everyone is too stupid to understand how sweet i am

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

"They have my respect, even as I fucked them over."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

Perp walk out and that's it.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

"We're gonna head on over to the Cooker, if anyone wants to join us."

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

NO Q&A = DUD OF THE DAY.

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

That's 'cause Happy Hour commences in 15 minutes.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

rumsfeld wanted to be president, once upon a time. at the least, he wanted to win a war. that's about all he's ever wanted, i think. sucks to be ~~you~~ everyone who is not you right now, donald

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

haha chris mathews: is this the biggest decision bush has ever made on his own?

― jhoshea megafauna (scoopsnoodle), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

New Pentagon drinking game: drain your glass every time a commentator calls the new DefSec "Bill Gates."

So far today: Andrea Mitchell, Jamie McIntire

― Django Blowhardt (Rock Hardy), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

He's now progressed to the point where he can cross the street w/o someone holding his hand.

x-post

― Beth S. (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

the new guy is so seriously "in the fold" from the get (like negroponte) that it comes close to confirming what i've long suspected about these creeps, that the cold light of day would cause all kinds of unknown unknowns to come rising zombie-like to scare seven shades of shit out of everybody - getting rid of rumsfeld heads that off for the mo, and appointing somebody who's cool with the whole global oil death-merchant thing will from their perspective hopefully keep a lid on things until bush is outta there

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

hey, ortega is back in power, he can start selling arms to the iranians so that some shenanigans can be had in lefty latin america.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

hey, ortega is back in power, Bob can start selling arms to the iranians so that some shenanigans can be had in lefty latin america.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

maybe we can start funding communist-tinged groups in iraq and beyond to put down the jihadists for some full-on bizarro-80s shit

― geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

drain your glass every time a commentator calls the new DefSec "Bill Gates."

If only. The Black Budget just CRASHED!

Does Harry Shearer still do that sketch "41 calls 43"?

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, thank you Boing Boing.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

does anybody think gates will be confirmed, even if the senate is split? i doubt it.

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

::nods:: I think I wrote earlier that what's happening here is similar to 1987, when most conservative commentators announced the end of the "Reagan Revolution" when old hand/hack Howard Baker cleaned up the Iran-Contra mess, and then later when Frank Carlucci and Colin Powell replaced Poindexter and Weinberger.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

the Senate hasn't been all that tough a crowd for confirmations. (like Negroponte, 95-3)

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

How Comedy Central scooped everyone, allegedly.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

seems clear to me now why he was so intransigent before - this was a gimme for when he ended up forced to negotiate. so what did we give up in return?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

the Senate hasn't been all that tough a crowd for confirmations. (like Negroponte, 95-3)

lol yeh like uh do you realize there's a new congress, morbs?

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

they're all the same, remember?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

Melvin Goodman, a former CIA division chief for Soviet affairs, testified that Gates politicized the intelligence on Iran, Nicaragua, Afghanistan and the Soviet Union. "Gates' role in this activity was to corrupt the process and the ethics of intelligence on all of these issues," Goodman testified.

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

There's no way they can confirm him before January 3, is there?

― M. White (Miguelito), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

they gunna try a recess appointment?

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

for sec'y of defense? doubtful

― hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

he's gonna get confirmed by the Senate. I'm not without wariness, but the guy's getting presented as out of the HW/Scowcroft world, so I'm not without hope.

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:55 (nineteen years ago)

A fixer hip-deep in scum already -- sounds about right for these last two years.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

Don Rumsfeld Boogie.

― Urnst Kouch (Urnst Kouch), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:04 (nineteen years ago)

promising

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

the guy's getting presented as out of the HW/Scowcroft world, so I'm not without hope.

Great. "Detente" and "pragmatism," yick. Which is perhaps all we can hope for at present.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

i know all about the drawbacks of realpolitik, but it sure sounds good right now. sort of like how a glass of water with possibly unsafe levels of cyanide and mercury would sound good after you'd been tied and staked naked in the desert and fed salt-covered ants for 47 days.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

Ledeen is preparing his noose right now.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

Ledeen is likely preparing one for Hitchens.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn (Alfred Soto), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

hmm palsy walsy with Zbigniew eh? interesting

― Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

x-post -- Kinky.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c90/gradygillan/press.jpg

― researching ur life (grady), Wednesday, 8 November 2006 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, the bogeyman list is really dwindling. No Rummy, ball-less Rove, no Frist, no DeLay, no Allen, no Steele, no Bolton, no Libby, no Newt, no Foley, no Katherine Harris...

Can we burn Grover Norquist out of his tower now?

― Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 9 November 2006 07:00 (nineteen years ago)

hey chris, check out that other rummy thread for some real laughs!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 November 2006 07:02 (nineteen years ago)

The National Review shifts with the wind.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 November 2006 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

Thomas Ricks has a more appropriate post-mortem.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 November 2006 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

"McNamara, for four years of Vietnam going down the toilet, was absolutely convinced with a religious zeal that what he was doing was the right thing," Thomas E. White, who was Rumsfeld's first Army secretary, once said. "It wasn't until 30 years later that it dawned on him that he was dead wrong. And I think you have the same thing with Don Rumsfeld."

Quite. Even eerily so.

― Aimless (Aimless), Thursday, 9 November 2006 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

yeh like uh do you realize there's a new congress, morbs?

I somehow missed that there's been a 47-seat turnover in the Senate since the Negroponte vote last year.

― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

you somehow missed that they actually assign a number to designate a new congress!

― hstencil (hstencil), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

Sadly enough my Rumsfeld-related highlight of the day has been Slate rerunning their press-conference poetry thing.

The Unknown
As we know,
There are known knowns.
There are things we know we know.
We also know
There are known unknowns.
That is to say
We know there are some things
We do not know.
But there are also unknown unknowns,
The ones we don't know
We don't know.

—Feb. 12, 2002, Department of Defense news briefing

― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Lao Tzu, Donald Rumsfeld, GMTA dudes.

― LISTEN U TURBO CROUTON (TOMBOT), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

From NRO on Rums:

His invasion plan for Afghanistan was revolutionary, coupling small American teams on the ground with precision airpower.

Oh, absolutely revolutionary.. like negotiating with the Taliban for them to regain power in Afghanistan this year. yup.

― gwynywdd dwnyt fyrwr byychydd gww (donut), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:52 (nineteen years ago)

The thing I am most shocked about: there is no Rumsfeld-based YTMND yet...

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

Out on the lecture circuit already:

Asked by another questioner what grade he would give himself for his performance as secretary of defense, Rumsfeld said: "Oh, I'd let history worry about that." The audience applauded his response.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

I somehow missed that there's been a 47-seat turnover in the Senate since the Negroponte vote last year.

Sometimes people vote against their natural inclination because they can't win. It's pure gamesmanship. If the votes had been there, the result might have been quite different.

― polyphonic (polyphonic), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

Rumsfeld: F-

― History (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 9 November 2006 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

i had no idea ilxor was completely swamped with communists

― corey c (shock of daylight), Sunday, 12 November 2006 03:32 (nineteen years ago)

1/10

― kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 12 November 2006 03:38 (nineteen years ago)

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