The Wit & Wisdom of Dinesh D'Souza

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A man so blessed with such preponderance of intellect surely deserves his own thread. (plus it separates him from the Colbert/TCR thread).

As is proper, Townhall.com gave this guy a column. Today's column is devoted to correcting "a few myths" generated by
"the cultural left" who of course want Bush to lose the war in Iraq & on Terror. He goes on about how Mossadegh as really a bad guy so it's great the CIA overthrew him & installed the Shah, we never supported Bin Laden & Iraq, and the civil war going on in Iraq has nothing to do with religion or is a "religious conflict," "Because there are no substantial religious differences between the Shia and the Sunni".

Quite enlightening reading. For more D'souza, check here in the LA Times and here

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

so apparently he thinks we deserved 9/11 now? that's what a few angry reviews have said.

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

The NRO crowd is already busy disowning him. This should be fun.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

Eh, even the guy's own side doesn't take him seriously anymore, I think largely because they have to be a little more practical-minded about international affairs than with firebreathing over domestic/social issues like political correctness or affirmative action. I have to admit, I actually appreciate the way his stuff lately exposes a whole bunch of conflicting beliefs people on the right are going to have to deal with, in terms of being cultural conservatives making bogeymen out of another culture's, umm, "conservatives" -- and that tricky issue seems like one of the many reasons fewer people on the right are looking to get behind the new book.

He fascinates me, because he seems like such an incredibly bad thinker in really basic ways. And yet obviously he's not actually dumb, and so it's interesting to try and divine what kinds of self-deception and willful wrongness are leading him to his most mixed-up conclusions. And I almost feel bad for him when some of the planks of his logic seem like they could be part of something genuinely interesting. (E.g., I actually don't think it's stupid to say that the Sunni/Shia conflict isn't so much theological as cultural -- the word "religion" doesn't make that fine distinction -- if you're able to draw any genuinely helpful conclusions from that.)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

as if the "catholic-protestant model" of conflict wasn't itself determined by local imperatives and greivances more than sacraments and intercession or whatever.

oh there's no point arguing is there? anyway, good thread.

xposts

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

I heard a brief review of this via a podcast - I think it was on the "NYT Book Update." The consensus of the commentators seemed to be, essentially, that D'Souza is desperate for attention.

Sara R-C (Sara R-C), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

"the wit and wisdom of spengler" would be a good thread too but i don't think ilxors read him. amirite?

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

So where do all these myths come from? The benign explanation is the Internet. People get information off websites which get it off other websites, so that idiocy gets passed around frequently enough to become accepted as truth. Amirite?

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

xpost -- Trying to put this as even-handedly as possible: I think he'd say the thrust of his book is that terrorism is fueled by foreign perceptions of what America/Americans are like and stand for, and that we should be encouraging our traditional, conservative side, and showing that side to moderate Muslims, in an effort to build a bridge of common values. (Also that Tom Frank is responsible for 3,000 deaths.)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

I think there are some things he's in a position to understand better than many Western figures who share his "ideology" such as it is, e.g. the way sectarian differences are lived in the Muslim world. but I'm loath to give him any credit for that, frankly, when he doesn't actually seem to do anything useful with his knowledge.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Dean Barnett at Hewitt's site, PowerLine and Robert Spencer all pile on.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

without reading any of that shit it's no surprise the conservatives are furious: d'souza's argt looks like an inversion of the lame left one about why "we" are hated.

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

and when he talks about Muslim terrorists, I really think he overestimates what he's in a position to know. like, when he dissected Osama bin Laden's motivations on the Colbert Report.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

in the appearance on TCR, Colbert put it pretty succinctly when he asked the guy, "What other cultural editing tips should we be taking from the terrorists?"

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

ie "we can't win on the GLORIOUS FIELD of BATTLE, to end terror we must be less bloodthirsty kapitalist pigdog faggoty so they all like us again."

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

yeah colbert nails it with that one question, really. do you want a free culture or not?

but isn't there a final turn where he actually argues that a true-blue square-jawed rosary-carrying spartan america could and should eventually make COMMON CAUSE with the jihadis to wipe out secularists and other losers?? the slate review said as much. treasonous, frankly.

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 22 January 2007 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

That's the obvious parallel, Geoff, except -- lefty that I am -- I'd say the left's version is slightly more useful: i.e., the in-person effect of American military power in the mid-east probably has a bigger effect on our political perception than stuff like our pop culture (which is welcomed as a great amazement probably more often than it's criticized). There's a little more moral weight in the lefty argument there, too, in that it's normal to give more weight to people's opinions about to what we do to them than their opinions about what we do to ourselves.

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

And yeah, the beauty of this is that he puts himself out there to be nailed down on the question most far-right conservatives can't offer a good answer to: "Don't you basically agree with the terrorists on a whole lot of social questions?" He comes closest to admitting that, yes, of course yes: there are clearly areas of similar thinking.

Geoff I don't think he argues that Moral America would ally with terrorists -- more that whatever bridge of International Traditional Values gets built here would marginalize the left. (Which isn't necessarily treasonous, wanting to marginalize and defeat your socio-political opponents.) But I'm giving him the credit of actually trying to sort out his arguments for him here, and pretend they're not just an incoherent mess of railing in all directions. (The funniest bit, really, is that thing so many academics do where he pretends like academic leftists have anything to do with anything he's talking about -- seriously, like TOM FRANK is part of the culture of moral depravity being critiqued by terrorists shaking their heads over back issues of The Baffler.)

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:08 (nineteen years ago)

does he really go after tom frank specifically?? that's the second time you mentioned him. did TF zing him really bad on bill maher or some shit?

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

i spent a lot of yesterday shaking my head over back issues of the baffler so i guess i'm in the fight for civilization myself

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, it pisses me off that conservatives have been turning on him, because all he's done is articulate their weird empty politics at their logical extreme.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

Alan Wolfe reviewed his book for the NYT.

The “domestic insurgents” who, in D’Souza’s view, constitute the cultural left want “America to be a shining beacon of global depravity, a kind of Gomorrah on a Hill.”

Oh and bin Laden sent hidden messages to the Left in those 2004 videotapes and McCarthy was "largely right."

For the brave, here's the first chapter of the book.


xp: He names TF on his list of "enemies at home"

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

i very much think we should be a Gomorroah on a Hill!! that's wonderful.

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

a Q&A at NRO. I stopped reading at this bit:

Michael Moore’s radical ideology — the insurgents are the Minutemen, they are the freedom fighters, and they will prevail! — has now come to center stage, where it is guiding the actions of the Democratic leadership.

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

i don't think the question of "why they hate us" can be answered fully w/o cutting across a lot of sacred assumptions on both sides of the domestic political aisle.

a lot of anti-american feeling IS in a tabloid/vulgar/paranoid/cultural mode, akin to britain's ongoing paedo freakout or, well, america's hatred of muslims. flip thru memri.org for a little while, and yeah, a lot of people do "hate our freedoms" insofar as they have a big problem with a crazy-ass nation filled with trannies, jews, shaved vaginas, fad psychology, collagen injections, etc, etc, etc. this position is not a caricature.

...and it's simultaneously the country producing cadre after cadre of bible-carrying GI's with unstoppable hardware showing up anywhere there's a resource worth having or a gov't threatening "instability" of any kind! you can't point to just one half of the mix (the one you don't like, either) to explain the situation.

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

Also, if we actually became a Gomorrah on the Hill, God would get pissed at all the angel-rape going on, and just nuke the place, sparing the Righteous.

So the Righteous will be Saved and the rest of us get nuked. What's the problem?

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

see, i would get down with an angel but i'd be a gentleman about it. i'm a moderate.

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

he's at Stanford?!??

what a bozo

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

he's at the Hoover Institution

geoff (gcannon), Monday, 22 January 2007 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

the Wolf review notes the Hoover Institution is at Stanford University. (I'm not sure what that means exactly tbh)

Shakey Mo Collier (Shakey Mo Collier), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ha, but Geoff, embracing "Gomorrah on a Hill" means embracing the conservatives' casual implication that things like secularism and equal protection automatically go hand in hand with nihilism, decadence, and depravity. This has been the winning lie of the right forever, practically -- that anyone who's ready to break from tradition in one way (say, tolerating homosexuality) probably aims to break from it in all others (promoting pedophilia, worshipping Satan/Stalin, etc.).

nabisco (nabisco), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

And we'll be marrying box turtles and dogs, next!

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

oh, better expressed graphically:

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6559/gaymarriage6as.png

kingfish prætor (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:19 (nineteen years ago)

Haha

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 January 2007 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

The most amazing thing to me - besides the fact that this guy is at Stanford - is the way he structures his arguments. For example, look at the way he shows how the left is oh-so-clueless about Iraq:

In Iraq we’re getting into a religious war that’s lasted for centuries. This theory, espoused among others by John Murtha, holds that the Sunni and Shia are fighting in Iraq because these two groups have been fighting everywhere since the seventh century. So who wants to get into the middle of an ancient conflict that shows no signs of abating? This would seem to be an argument for America to get out of a religious quarrel that it has no way to settle, and that shows no sign of abating.

But the Shia-Sunni conflict in Iraq is not a religious conflict.

See how he did that? The main point behind Murtha's reasoning is that this is a deep-seeded cultural conflict that we've waded into the middle of. But by making the heart of his argument the statement that the Sunni-Shiite conflict is religious, D'Souza can refute it without admitting that he's wrong. It's a nice bit of Sophistry. He continues:

How do I know that? Because there are no substantial religious differences between the Shia and the Sunni.

Which is a subjective and suspicious (at best) statement that the townhall.com readers will never question.

Finally:

And these two groups have not been fighting for centuries. In fact, they haven’t been fighting at all.

Which is flatly untrue. In any case, he'd still be wrong even if he had these facts right (which he doesn't) - because even if the conflict in Iraq isn't religious or centuries-old, it's been going on since Saddam took power nearly 40 years ago, which is long enough for these tensions to heat up. He keeps obscuring the central issues at play, which works if your goal is to confuse a bunch of ignorant right-wingers, but it fails utterly as a history lesson or a rebuttal to any policy suggestions for Iraq.

Nathan P1p (hoyanathan), Monday, 22 January 2007 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

so abused and misunderstood.

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 28 January 2007 06:07 (nineteen years ago)

"He isn't upset because Washington is allied with despotic regimes in the region. Israel aside, what other regimes are there in the Middle East?"

Um is he kidding?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 28 January 2007 06:47 (nineteen years ago)

I mean obv he's not. He's just a moron, but still I mean didn't a copy editor check that.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Sunday, 28 January 2007 06:49 (nineteen years ago)

I really love that WaPo editorial - people who're so wrong that everybody's pointing it out love to announce that the real reason they're despised is that they're "dangerous"

Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 28 January 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

Utter fucking dipshits are the most dangerous kind of people, though.

TOMBO7 (TOMBOT), Sunday, 28 January 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, but not in the leather jacket, "bad to the bone," way they think they are.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Sunday, 28 January 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

it's still clinton's fault

I’m not suggesting that Clinton did not want to protect America from Bin Laden.

Oh yeah, and Ken Starr puts in an appearance, too.

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Monday, 5 February 2007 23:24 (nineteen years ago)

and now all the conservative mainstays and others are coming out to support the guy:

...Rather, D’Souza raises the alarm that the anti-religious, sexual liberationist, anti-natalist and feminist thrust of American foreign, cultural, and free-speech global Internet policies threaten and estrange all the traditional cultures of the third world, whether Muslim or Christian, Hindu or Buddhist. Poor people cannot afford the epidemics, abortions and divorces of Hollywood liberalism, and uphold a monotheist God as the foundation of their moral codes and worthy of respect.

The American global cultural campaign pushes a billion non-militant Muslims to condone the jihad and thus threatens the existence of Israel and the survival of vulnerable American cities like New York. Perhaps your readers would be intrigued with a discussion of the argument rather than anathemas against its expression. To call the book McCarthyite and a “national scandal” will neither stop the jihad nor save Israel in a nuclear age.

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

uphold a monotheist God

I'm sure the Hindus and Buddhists mentioned there have some thoughts about that.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'm more concerned about the "epidemics" of Hollywood liberalism there.

nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:47 (nineteen years ago)

It always makes me wonder if a side can claim victory when the other side gives in and starts using their language. there's a lot of "ists" in that letter there, to the point of sounding like a campus protestor type.

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:50 (nineteen years ago)

abortions of Hollywood liberalism?

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 6 February 2007 23:54 (nineteen years ago)

"The American global cultural campaign pushes a billion non-militant Muslims to condone the jihad and thus threatens the existence of Israel and the survival of vulnerable American cities like New York."

Who the hell is George Gilder and why he be so crazzzy?

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:00 (nineteen years ago)

"So leftist activists such as Michael Moore and Howard Zinn and Cindy Sheehan seem willing to let the enemy win in Iraq so they can use that defeat in 2008 to rout Bush -- their enemy at home."

FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!

1. It wasn't any of these people (or ANY leftists) that got us involved in this retarded war.
2. How do any of these people have any control over whether the USA "loses" in Iraq? Bush doesn't even pay attention to the 3/4 of the American people who want out of Iraq, let alone luminaries of the left.
3. Can any of these numbskulls fucking get it through their thick skulls that MAYBE, the way to "win" the WOT is not through violence and torture? That running around the middle east and threatening and slaughtering people is not a way to win friends and influence people? Seriously! Why is this common-sense argument so hard to grasp?
4. Is there anything more pointless than arguing with this fuckwit in a posting he will never read?

schwantz (schwantz), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:01 (nineteen years ago)

Who are you arguing with? I don't even see where that (admittedly stupid) quote is from.

Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:05 (nineteen years ago)

"So right-wing activists such as Dinesh D'Souza seem willing to bury another 3000 American soldiers and slaughter thousands more Iraqis in order to prop up Bush - their master at home."

x-post - from the ridiculous .

schwantz (schwantz), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

WaPo editorial.

schwantz (schwantz), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

(last "quote" was mine)

schwantz (schwantz), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

I think that quote is from Dsouza

xp

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:09 (nineteen years ago)

more accurate analogy = rightist activists such as Dinesh D'Souza seem willing to take the enemy's side so they can formulate a shared agenda with fundamentalists in other countries to rout their "enemy at home."

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:10 (nineteen years ago)

also, with this bit:

Perhaps your readers would be intrigued with a discussion of the argument rather than anathemas against its expression. To call the book McCarthyite and a “national scandal” will neither stop the jihad nor save Israel in a nuclear age.

we have both the simplistic obfuscation and fear-mongering in the 2nd sentence, and an appropriation of the other side's languge in the 1st. Please, please, you liberals should use your pussy "debating" ways to truly find out if liberals are america haters and the cause of the worst domestic terror attack evar.

kingfishy (kingfish 2.0), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 00:14 (nineteen years ago)

george gilder?? he was some kind of nu-economy seer back in the 90s, a star stock-picker type guy, made a bundle and then lost it all, i think. no idea he turned into (or always was) a hard-right zombie.

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:31 (nineteen years ago)

Wikipedia: After he wrote an article for the Forum opposing a day care bill in Congress, some lobbied for his removal. Gilder responded, appearing on Crossfire to defend himself and discovered he'd found "a way to arouse the passionate interest of women ... it was clear I had reached pay dirt." He decided to make himself into "America's number-one antifeminist". (quoted in Backlash, 285) He went on to write four books attacking feminism: Sexual Suicide, Naked Nomads, Visible Man, and Men and Marriage (a revised and reissued version of Sexual Suicide)...

He helped found the Discovery Institute with Bruce Chapman. The organization started as a moderate group which aimed to privatize and modernize Seattle's transit systems but it later became the leading think tank of the intelligent design movement, with Gilder penning many articles in favor of ID and opposing the theory of evolution.

: "I do think that writing about technology and picking stocks is a very powerful and edifying discipline," he said. "It requires you to have a purchase on reality that is much more rigorous than the average evolutionary biologist has or the average free-floating technology writer has."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

Eh, that last part should be:

WSJ: "I do think that writing about technology and picking stocks is a very powerful and edifying discipline," he said. "It requires you to have a purchase on reality that is much more rigorous than the average evolutionary biologist has or the average free-floating technology writer has."

Michael Daddino (epicharmus), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

The organization started as a moderate group which aimed to privatize and modernize Seattle's transit systems but it later became the leading think tank of the intelligent design movement

Well you know, after the part where Kyra Sedgwick lost her baby in the car accident, Campbell Scott got really interested in the fate of the unborn, and eventually wound up having a bit of a religious conversion.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

wow i had no idea. i remember reading a big NYer profile on him and i don't remember a thing about being the "number one antifeminist."

imagining the cognitive gymnastics it must take to be both a techno-utopian and an intelligent design fanatic is giving me a headache

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 03:07 (nineteen years ago)

haha today I noticed that TELECOSM is still on a bookshelf in my house from back who knows when and thought "George Gilder. I know that name, what sort of horrible fascist bullshit must he have gotten into that I know who he is?"

TOMBO7 (TOMBOT), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

"ok, dear readers, strong buy on the following biotech firms (managed to the last by damned and deluded souls scurrying away from the sight of their god), A++ return"

geoff (gcannon), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

not to go back too far, but what the fuck is an "anti-natalist"?

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 09:12 (nineteen years ago)

ohhh, it's people who don't want kids and are thus destroying society. of course.

GOD PUNCH TO HAWKWIND (yournullfame), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:10 (nineteen years ago)

Geo Gilder is quite trendy, he first invaded my consciousness back in the late 70s, as a supply-side economics enthusiast.

m coleman (lovebug starski), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:46 (nineteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
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Rethinking Abu Ghraib
By Dinesh D'Souza
Monday, February 26, 2007

...Most Muslims did not view it as a torture story at all. Muslims were not outraged at the interrogation techniques used by the American military, which are quite mild by Arab standards. Moreover, many Muslims realized that the most of the torture scenes in the photographs—the hooded man with his arms outstretched, the prisoner with wires attached to his limbs—were staged. This was simulated torture, not real torture.

[...]

Lynndie England and Charles Graner were two wretched individuals from Red America who were trying to act out the fantasies of Blue America. Casting aside all traditional notions of decency, propriety and morality, they simply lived by the code of self-fulfillment. If it feels good, it must be right. This was bohemianism, West Virginia-style.

At some level, the cultural left recognized this, which is why most of its comments about Abu Ghraib assiduously avoided the issue of sexual deviancy. The left’s embarrassment on this matter seems to have drawn on class prejudice. For some liberals, soldiers like Graner and England were poor white trash getting into trouble again. Of course if Graner and England were professors at an elite liberal arts college, their videotaped orgies might easily have become the envy of academia. If they were artists staging these pictures in a loft in Soho they could have been hailed as pioneers and encouraged by leftist admirers to apply for a grant from the National Endowment for the Arts.

But being low-life Appalachians, Graner and England inspired none of these elevated thoughts. Instead, liberals moved opportunistically to attack the military and discredit its prisoner interrogation policies—even though these polices had nothing to do with what actually happened...


Oh yeah, no mention of the fact that this shit happened in Gitmo and other places, that the CIA guys told the enlisted folks to fuck with the prisoners, etc. It's because these two bad apples were pree-verts. Oh, and torture never upset any right-thinking individuals. I get the idea that ol' Dinesh is really startin' to sweat here, due to the strain.

kingfish, Monday, 26 February 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

Oh for FUCKS sake fix that linking code

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kingfish, Monday, 26 February 2007 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

dammit

kingfish, Monday, 26 February 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

HAHAHAHA dude D'Souza has officially surpassed Ann Coulter as the most wonderful, lovable, experimental commentator on the neurotic right: this stuff is heartwarming and priceless! There used to be this recurring bit character on Conan (I think on Conan?) who could make a bong out of any three items you gave him: D'Souza is increasingly that guy, able to weave really stupendous and almost non-insane-sounding arguments where more or less anything bad that happens is a result of the amorality of liberals.

The coolest one here is this:

If they were artists staging these pictures in a loft in Soho they could have been hailed as pioneers

Not just for the retro Soho location, but just cause it's like the Where's Waldo of "what important distinction am I missing?" "By the way, we're totally unfair to rapists -- if those women had been consented, we wouldn't bat an eyelash!"

nabisco, Monday, 26 February 2007 21:57 (eighteen years ago)

dude has enuf balls to make it seem like he's got some kind of political autism; he's been hung out to dry over and over again by his own side for this shit and he just. keeps. going. the powerline guys, everybody has taken a shot at him, and he hasn't even flinched.

gff, Monday, 26 February 2007 22:03 (eighteen years ago)

The comments are just as entertaining, alternating between "WTF are you talking about?" and "Yer right! It's the hippies' fault!"

Y'know, I'm looking forward to the days when the Boomers are no longer in power, so we don't have a national politics seen entirely thru the lens of what happened when we were teenagers, and none other possible.

kingfish, Monday, 26 February 2007 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

you can't spell "gff getting depressed" without "townhall comment box"

gff, Monday, 26 February 2007 22:15 (eighteen years ago)

While D'Souza's argument suffers from exaggeration, errors of scale, unexamined assumptions, and simplistic ideas of causation, those conservative pundits who bend over backwards to deny that "they" hate us (at least partly) because of our permissive culture probably are engaging in more outright intellectual dishonesty. I think that the reason the pundits don't like D'Souza's argument has more to do with their embarrassment at finding themselves on the same side of the culture & values debate as the terrorists and their fears of how this uncomfortable alliance would play out in the broader media discourse than it does with any factual inaccuracies they might identify in his evidence.

o. nate, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

Lynndie England and Charles Graner were two wretched individuals from Red America who were trying to act out the fantasies of Blue America.

thinking up this sentence really takes a certain kind of brilliance

modestmickey, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

similarly for Glenn Beck...

kingfish, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

On today's edition of Revise Your Own History with Dinesh, he goes on and on about how The Left was rooting for America to lose in Vietnam, and that the sexual revolution was probably not the result of loosening attitudes and the wide availablity of birth control, but because of the war.

So how long before he openly calls for the death of left-leaning folks, anyway? He's been whining about us being "the enemy at home" and more concerned about defeating Bush(how? voting him out?) than protecting the Vaterland. Oh, and we're in active cahoots with Bin Laden, accomplices in both the killing of Americans and God since the '60s.

kingfish, Monday, 5 March 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

The eliminationist rhetoric really is starting to make my skin crawl. It's scary.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 5 March 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

i dunno, it sounds more desperate than anything.

latebloomer, Monday, 5 March 2007 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

i mean if they actually got their way it would be scarier, but really at this point it's pathetic

latebloomer, Monday, 5 March 2007 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

gimme a break I'm not scared of this idiot

Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 5 March 2007 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

Dude, I go to a Tier 3 University full of kids from the outlying areas of Texas. I've talked with students who thought the "Ghetto Party" at UT Law was "no big deal", think Ann Coulter is an admirable political leader for our time, and think that Muslims should be put in camps "like in that movie 'The Siege'" until "we're more confident of their allegiances."

It may be desperate, but its got a sizable following.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 5 March 2007 20:02 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, that's the thing, and one of the reasons why I pay attention to these assholes. This kinda shit has incrementally gained more traction and more airtime, and gets dismissed way too easily, or held up as equivalent by David Broder types to "radical leftist"/campus maoist loudmouth/bloggers who don't get invited to speak at major party events, are used in the advertising, and have blocks-long lines of worshippers needing signed books.

kingfish, Monday, 5 March 2007 20:02 (eighteen years ago)

Having taken all criticism on board, it seems Dinesh is extremely annoyed. And this is the first of four parts.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 12 March 2007 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

You know, the sad thing is that if D'Souza really really cared about his central idea here -- you know, about creating a kind of traditional-values bridge with the mainstream Muslim world -- there are any number of fairly reasonable ways he could have written this book to get that idea taken seriously. (Most of them would have just involved laying out the argument and letting other crazy people actually denounce the left for him, which they'd have happily done.) It's bizarre to see him defend and pedal back toward his central ideas these days, as if totally unaware that its his own lunacy that torpedoed the points he could easily have invited people to take seriously.

nabisco, Monday, 12 March 2007 17:10 (eighteen years ago)

You know, the sad thing is that if D'Souza really really cared about his central idea here -- you know, about creating a kind of traditional-values bridge with the mainstream Muslim world -- there are any number of fairly reasonable ways he could have written this book to get that idea taken seriously.

Yeah. A lot of the conservative criticism voiced something similar.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 12 March 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

the bit for today decides to rehash the whole WMD bit, except going for the sophistry of how a particular claim was formed, regardless of whether that claim was actually true or not:

If you want to know how the Iraq debate got so acrimonious, the tipping point was when mainstream Democrats went from accusing Bush of bungling the Iraq war to accusing him of lying to get America into that war.

Of course, up until that point, debate was quite civil, with no accusations whatsoever of treason or collaboration, or calls for the removal and elimination of anyone not entirely gung ho with whatever the Admin called for that day.

kingfish, Monday, 12 March 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

and HAHAHA for the traditional defense of the troll:

My goal is to stimulate a lively and civil discussion

kingfish, Monday, 12 March 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

Part two.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

God, this guy is a douche:

It takes a Midwestern lawyer who blogs in his spare time to cite three semi-popular books of varying quality, but not a single scholarly work, in order to establish the real motives of bin Laden and the 9/11 conspirators.

and stuff like this

But Qutb has become increasingly relevant as American popular culture has grown increasingly permissive and shocking to the sensibilities of traditional people around the world.

just kinda re-iterates over and over again that this guy _really_ agrees with them, and adds to the fun by tossing codewords like "traditional" around w/o regard to their meaning or context. e.g. despite the fact that violent islamic suicide-bombing fundies are a relatively new development. Still, is he talking about traditional saudi society? traditional afghani? libyan? lebanese? turkish?

kingfish, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 19:32 (eighteen years ago)

Corner types are trashing him, which amuses me greatly. Cripes, even Goldberg said something pithy:

Isn't there just a teeny-weeny disconnect between arguing that conservatives — including NR's reviewer of Dinesh's book — have a "closed mind" while at the same time getting four days in a row of space to defend your position, not to mention an initial elucidating interview on NRO?

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 19:34 (eighteen years ago)

D'Souza's next book should be about James Burnham.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

he's pretty much the worst person ever

J.D., Wednesday, 14 March 2007 00:35 (eighteen years ago)

d'souza, not burnham

J.D., Wednesday, 14 March 2007 00:35 (eighteen years ago)

Another great day. Would you believe there are such things as 'traditional Muslims?' Who knew?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

I'm coming in late here -- D'Souza's entire argument, which he repeatedly circles around, is that there is a mainstream Muslim sensibility that somewhat lines up with a mainstream Judeo-Christian/moral sensibility in western culture that believes we're too permissive and promiscuous, right?

Does that mean we can we just turn off the MTV feed to the Middle East and set up a firewall to block TMZ.com or whatever and they'll stop being pissed off at us? Really, what the hell is he going at?

mh, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

Jesus, he just keeps going. He hits upon the same points again & again, declaring that the bogeymen of "The Left" and "liberals" are now active allies of the terr'ists. This shit is more insidious than your standard rightwing blogger screeds, b/c this guy is writing all of this with a calm, bespectacled scholarly tone. It's just a matter of fact that people you don't agree with politically are in fact working in cahoots with Bin Laden and the Iraqis to give you the ol' dolchstoss in the back.

Of course, when a conservative critic calls him on this shit, he suddenly has to reverse direction and deny the logical conclusion of all his writings:
At one point Berkowitz accuses me of holding that “the cultural left presents a threat to America as grave as that posed by radical Islam.” What? The Left is as dangerous to America as al Qaeda, the radical mullahs in Iran, the jihadist insurgents in Iraq, and the worldwide network of radical Islam? Nowhere do I say this, and I challenge Berkowitz to substantiate his allegation. My point is that the cultural Left, through its well-documented policies and its values projected abroad, is greatly strengthening the position of radical Islam. The two groups, I write, work in a kind of scissors motion, each prong operating separately, but moving toward the common end of defeating Bush’s war in Iraq. Yet Berkowitz accuses me of equating the danger posed by the Left and the Islamic radicals, as if I’m weighing one against the other.

kingfish, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 21:26 (eighteen years ago)

Radical Islam and the right also work in a kind of scissors motion, each prong operating separately, but moving toward the common end of reshaping world culture into something that adheres to traditional religious tenets. If dude's grand claim were that "OMG opposing groups may have limited aims in common" you'd think he wouldn't bother wasting paper on it.

nabisco, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 21:39 (eighteen years ago)

mind blown by genius scissors analogy

Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 14 March 2007 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, I thought D'Souza's commentary today about widespread Western misconceptions about Islam was mostly spot on, at least in the parts where he confined himself to talking about how Muslims actually live in the world, and how American commentators with little direct knowledge of these things can sound quite ignorant when discussing them.

o. nate, Thursday, 15 March 2007 00:38 (eighteen years ago)

And maybe "traditional Muslims" is a poor choice of terms, perhaps a better term would have been "moderate" or "mainstream".

o. nate, Thursday, 15 March 2007 00:39 (eighteen years ago)

Or even "ordinary".

o. nate, Thursday, 15 March 2007 00:41 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, I thought D'Souza's commentary today about widespread Western misconceptions about Islam was mostly spot on, at least in the parts where he confined himself to talking about how Muslims actually live in the world, and how American commentators with little direct knowledge of these things can sound quite ignorant when discussing them.

meh. that's fine but it doesn't do this point of view any good when a TOTAL CRAZYPANTS is espousing it.

horseshoe, Thursday, 15 March 2007 00:45 (eighteen years ago)

That is so unfair to D'Souza's pants.

nabisco, Thursday, 15 March 2007 00:53 (eighteen years ago)

this cartoon from the rightwing op-ed thread pretty much sums up all of dsouza, in three brief panels:

http://www.caglecartoons.com/images/preview/%7BBFBB8871-3E3D-4497-94BA-41B4317E1E6B%7D.gif

Which, again, makes me why these guys are agreeing with the terr'ists...

kingfish, Thursday, 15 March 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

Victor Davis Hanson and various other conservative opponents have things to say in response to D'Souza apologia. They're not impressed.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 16 March 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)

How badly has D'Souza shot himself in the ass? Predictions?

J, Friday, 16 March 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

the Hanson piece is pretty good, i must say. i had no idea D'Souza had included Rushdie on his list of "insurgents," that is just beyond offensive and backward. before, this was all haha dinesh what a moran but now i really want to sock him in the fucking mouth

gff, Friday, 16 March 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

nice subheader on the Hanson piece

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 16 March 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/03/19/scotus.bonghits.ap/index.html

Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Monday, 19 March 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

Why they want us to lose

But in a deeper sense, the behavior of the left and its political allies is a mystery. After all, the Islamic radicals are the most illiberal forces in the world. At least the socialists and the communists claimed to speak for liberal values, such as sexual and economic egalitarianism. It’s understandable why misguided college students might go around sporting Che Guevara T-shirts. But even American leftists don’t go around with Bin Laden or Khomeini T-shirts. Leftists know how the Bin Laden and Khomeini types feel about Hillary Clinton and Barney Frank. So why doesn’t the left want to fight the broadest and most aggressive campaign possible against a sworn enemy of liberal values?

[...]

Consequently the left in its political strategy seems to be applying the doctrine of the lesser evil. The left is allying with the bad guys in order to defeat the worse guys. Obviously leftists have no wish to live in the kind of society that Bin Laden seeks to establish. But the left also knows that Bin Laden wants to establish sharia in Baghdad, not Boston. Some elements on the left are willing to risk an Islamic fundamentalist state in Iraq in order to improve its prospects of defeating conservative government here in America.


Yes, THANK GOD AND ALLAH ABOVE, there's no difference between Sunni and Shia since Bin Laden will easily be able to join up with the Iraqi gov't and Sadr-types to establish the sharia that he wants.

also, communists => all about the fucking, obv, which MUST be the case why poor conservative Dinesh had such a lonely Dartmoth experience

kingfish, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

Dartmouth, rather. etc

kingfish, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

one month passes...
Guess what, the abortion issue is like the Lincoln-Douglas debates, except that Abe Lincoln is pro-life, or something.

(fun fact: abortion was legal during the Lincoln-Douglas debates, and would be up until the laws changed just after the u.s. civil war, about the same time a total reactionary(i.e. more than usual) got named pope)

kingfish, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:39 (eighteen years ago)

thats just fucking disgusting, i couldnt read more than a paragraph or tow

deeznuts, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

Aw, but you'll miss lines like:

The abortion issue reveals the bloody essence of modern liberalism.

kingfish, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:46 (eighteen years ago)

"as a former fetus"

lfam, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:48 (eighteen years ago)

wow, you were a fetus, too? i figured you grew out of a pod.

lfam, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:48 (eighteen years ago)

SPEAKING AS A FORMER SPERM, I WELCOME CUM INTO A WOMANS PUSSY.

deeznuts, Monday, 23 April 2007 23:49 (eighteen years ago)

two weeks pass...
Dinesh on the new Hitchens book

I daresay I would welcome and be entertained by a broadcast of Hitchens arguing with and/or zinging this guy(or attempting to)

kingfish, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 05:17 (eighteen years ago)

god, only if they mutually destroyed each other and were never heard from again. that would rule.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 8 May 2007 05:20 (eighteen years ago)

five years pass...

Very witty:

Although D’Souza has been married for 20 years to his wife, Dixie, in South Carolina he was with a young woman, Denise Odie Joseph II, and introduced her to at least three people as his fiancée.

Finally, near 11 p.m., event organizer Tony Beam escorted D’Souza and Joseph to the nearby Comfort Suites. Beam noted that they checked in together and were apparently sharing a room for the night in the sold-out hotel. The next morning, around 6 a.m., Beam arrived back at the hotel and called up to D’Souza’s room. “We’ll be down in 10 minutes,” D’Souza told Beam. D’Souza and Joseph came down together, and Beam took them to the airport.

The next day another conference organizer, Alex McFarland, distressed by D’Souza’s behavior, confronted him in a telephone conversation. D’Souza admitted he shared a room with his fiancée but said “nothing happened.” When I called D’Souza, he confirmed that he was indeed engaged to Joseph, but did not explain how he could be engaged to one woman while still married to another. When asked when he had filed for divorce from his wife, Dixie, D’Souza answered, “Recently.”

According to San Diego County (Calif.) Superior Court records, D’Souza filed for divorce only on Oct. 4, the day I spoke with him. Under California law, that starts the clock on a six-month waiting period for divorce. D’Souza on Oct. 4 told me his marriage was “over,” said he “is sure Denise is the one for me,” and said he had “done nothing wrong.”

The episode is a strange twist in D’Souza’s otherwise meteoric rise in the evangelical world. He developed a reputation among evangelicals with a string of best-sellers, including The Roots of Obama’s Rage, which spawned a movie, Obama: 2016, which has now grossed more than $30 million. He broke into the Christian conference and megachurch market in 2007 with the release of a book that year, What’s So Great About Christianity.

D’Souza now receives speaking fees sometimes in excess of $10,000 from Christian groups, putting him in the top tier of Christian speakers. In 2010 he became president of The King’s College, New York City, which is supported by Campus Crusade for Christ, now called Cru. At that time he moved from California to New York, with his wife staying in California.

D’Souza said King’s board chairman Andy Mills has known about his marital trouble for at least two years. Mills confirmed that through a spokesman, Mark DeMoss, who added that Mills was “hopeful about restoration and both he [D’Souza] and Andy were praying to that end.” DeMoss said The King’s College board met by conference call to begin “looking into the situation.” D’Souza participated in a portion of that call, DeMoss said. Following that meeting, on Oct. 15, D’Souza wrote in a text message to me: “I have decided to suspend the engagement.”

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:11 (thirteen years ago)

I'm surprised more people aren't saying something about this one!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:36 (thirteen years ago)

i just saw this. absolutely priceless.

there is no dana, only (goole), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:39 (thirteen years ago)

speaking of "king of the trolls"...

there is no dana, only (goole), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:39 (thirteen years ago)

buzzfeed has the lucky lady of course

http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/other-woman-in-dinesh-dsouza-affair-is-a-dsouza

there is no dana, only (goole), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:40 (thirteen years ago)

if you google the "young woman"s name, you get her picture and fb profile. She looks pretty young.

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:40 (thirteen years ago)

ha xp

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:40 (thirteen years ago)

D'Souza's America

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:42 (thirteen years ago)

Denise liked Nine Inch Nails.
September 18th

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:44 (thirteen years ago)

The Three Types of Liberal Pests You Find in Your Own Backyard, by Denise:

http://tinyurl.com/9nko4lg

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:48 (thirteen years ago)

she sounds like a real gem i wish them both the best

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 20:53 (thirteen years ago)

They do seem made for each other, why condemn their obvious true love?

controversial cabaret roommate (Nicole), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:02 (thirteen years ago)

Her whole existence is flawed, but Dinesh brings her closer to god.

pun lovin criminal (polyphonic), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:04 (thirteen years ago)

Vom.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:36 (thirteen years ago)

now you're down in it ned

balls, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:39 (thirteen years ago)

btw chick looks like a dude in anne coulter drag which is probably the point

balls, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:40 (thirteen years ago)

World, a publication that strives to "report bad news because Christ's grace becomes most meaningful when we're aware of sin,"

Plenty to keep them busy

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:46 (thirteen years ago)

When asked when he had filed for divorce from his wife, Dixie, D’Souza answered, “Recently.”

Reminds me of the scene in Snow White when she asks the seven dwarfs when they last washed their hands. "Recently!"

Sex Kitten mind control slave (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 21:50 (thirteen years ago)

how is this a scandal, really? right-wing evangelicals forgive almost anything if you say you've been born again/touched by the hand of god/raised them a lot of money/etc.

although the "you're asking me if i already filed for divorce.... yeah... hmmm....i'll get right on that...." is kind of LOL.

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:22 (thirteen years ago)

"you have to file for that?"

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:24 (thirteen years ago)

Well that first link is from World mag, v. much an evangelical publication, and it sounds like there were people who pretty much flat out told him from the get-go he was not exactly in a state of grace.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:24 (thirteen years ago)

Ha, related to which:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/108694/the-right-wing-rivalry-behind-dinesh-dsouzas-sex-scandal

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 October 2012 22:37 (thirteen years ago)

And with guns a-blazin'!

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/10/17/2016-obama-america-film-maker-am-not-having-affair/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:32 (thirteen years ago)

I sought out advice about whether it is legal to be engaged prior to being divorced and I was informed that it is.

"Hey, you, is this legal?"

"Uh, maybe?"

"Great, thanks!"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:33 (thirteen years ago)

This has more of a back-and-forth, with the author of the original article responding in turn:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2012/october-web-only/dinesh-dsouza-denies-infidelity.html

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:36 (thirteen years ago)

Hahaha okay that article has an AMAZING bit:

When CT asked D'Souza directly for his response to charges of infidelity, he responded: "It's absolutely not the case, um, that, um, that, um, um, you know, it's.... Look, the issue here is that World is attributing to me an admission that I never made—is attributing to me a quotation that I never said. That to me is the problem. … They are just claiming based upon my non-assertion that I did something that I didn't do."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:36 (thirteen years ago)

Haha that's gold.

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:42 (thirteen years ago)

play on, playa

mookieproof, Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:44 (thirteen years ago)

um, that, um, that, um, um, you know, it's....

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 03:46 (thirteen years ago)

That's making a Pharcyde song go through my head.

I hate Tig Notaro so much I gave Louis C.K. a dollar (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 18 October 2012 07:40 (thirteen years ago)

"The approach in the article ... is a clear effort to destroy me and my career," D'Souza said. "To me, that is a kind of viciousness masquerading as righteousness"

an "approach" he is ah intimately familiar with. of course he probably considers karma a pagan concept

(REAL NAME) (m coleman), Thursday, 18 October 2012 09:41 (thirteen years ago)

More here: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/10/17/no-no-no-we-were-fine-with-the-racism-but-the-adultery-is-upsetting/

But D’Souza wasn’t embraced by the evangelical tribe just because he affirms the creeds and C.S. Lewis. What made CT and King’s College and the rest of mainstream evangelicalism decide that D’Souza was one of us was his political history — a former policy aide in the Reagan White House, D’Souza is fiercely opposed to abortion, gay rights, feminism and progressive taxation.

As Sarah Posner said, “D’Souza’s … rise in the evangelical world is due in no small part to his conspiracy-minded claims about President Obama’s ‘Kenyan, anti-colonial behavior.’”

Yes, conspiratorial warnings about Africans and anti-colonialism contributed to D’Souza’s legitimacy among evangelicals.

the max in the high castle (kingfish), Thursday, 18 October 2012 12:37 (thirteen years ago)

ha m coleman that's a good catch

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 13:47 (thirteen years ago)

'You can't fire me, I quit!' Or something like that.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 16:50 (thirteen years ago)

Related:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2012/october-web-only/dinesh-dsouza-resigns-as-president-of-kings-college.html

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:25 (thirteen years ago)

enjoying this so much

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:26 (thirteen years ago)

Loving how d'Souza was all 'libel!' and CT went back to the principals in the original story who said, "Nope, World reported it accurately."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:28 (thirteen years ago)

the things we do for love

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:29 (thirteen years ago)

also all these people hate each other so much it's amazing

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:29 (thirteen years ago)

Narcissism of VERY small differences...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:34 (thirteen years ago)

enjoying this so much

― there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:26 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post

otm

let's keep this board about feet, please. (latebloomer), Thursday, 18 October 2012 17:37 (thirteen years ago)

x2

flesh, the devil, and a wolf (wolf) (amateurist), Thursday, 18 October 2012 18:16 (thirteen years ago)

don't really give a f who he's sleeping with but this is pretty delightful, x3

'til the end, my dear (arby's), Thursday, 18 October 2012 18:20 (thirteen years ago)

caption this:

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/.a/6a00d834515c2369e2017d3c11a2ef970c-500wi

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 October 2012 18:21 (thirteen years ago)

I would but:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/big-love-king-s-college-dsouzas-mistress-was-also-married

SERIOUS LOLs here.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:00 (thirteen years ago)

HAHAHAHA

Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:12 (thirteen years ago)

unbelievable. and yet, not.

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:12 (thirteen years ago)

She also called herself a “strong believer in the concept of Republican Motherhood.”

a strong believer in something you made up

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:13 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/sites/default/files/joseph-desk.png

let's talk about this photo

stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:15 (thirteen years ago)

"Hey, you, is this legal?"

"Uh, maybe?"

"Great, thanks!"

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, October 17, 2012 11:33 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

to be fair, it probably is legal. I mean "engaged" isn't really a legal status, so I don't see why it would be illegal to be engaged while still legally married.

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:16 (thirteen years ago)

on her desk is Of Love and Lust by Theodore Rowwrr.

the ones that I'm near most: fellow outcasts and ilxors (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:17 (thirteen years ago)

that's an interesting question

xp

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:17 (thirteen years ago)

xxpost -- Given my newest link there, they decided it takes two to tango on that front.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:17 (thirteen years ago)

"Oh you're married too! Let's get engaged!"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:17 (thirteen years ago)

can't find it online but d'souza's description of himself and his unsufferable republican pals and their 'hilarious prank days' in college is one of the most (inadvertently) uproarious things i've ever read.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:21 (thirteen years ago)

would it be too liberal-smug to suggest that these peoples' lifetime ensconcement in the 'straight and narrow' has left them totally unable to think or behave honorably when life gets actually dicey?

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:21 (thirteen years ago)

i do think there's a kind of blindered moral narcissism at play, yes

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:22 (thirteen years ago)

if that's what you mean

michael bolton's reckless daughter (Hurting 2), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:22 (thirteen years ago)

well yeah

but more that if you have a whole career+lifestyle+ideology built on sexual and moral purity, when desire takes over you're actually less able to deal with it within those rules.

idk, maybe not. there's a whole angle of hero-worship here that a 'normal' affair doesn't have.

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:26 (thirteen years ago)

(We developed) a guerrilla strategy that was as effective as it was fun. Where do I start? I don't know. Conduct a survey to find out how many professors in the religion department believe in God. Distribute a pamphlet titled "Feminist Thought" that is made up of blank pages. Establish a Society for Creative Homophobia. Prepare a freshman course guide that lists your college's best, and worst, professors. Publish Maya Angelou's poems alongside a bunch of meaningless doggerel and see whether anyone can tell the difference. Put a picture of death-row inmate Mumia Abu-Jamal on your Web site and instruct people who think he deserves capital punishment to click a button and electrocute him on-line. Whew, I better stop with these suggestions before I get too carried away.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:27 (thirteen years ago)

(Jeffrey) Hart was exactly the opposite of the conservative stereotype. He wore a long raccoon coast around campus, and he smoked long pipes with curvaceous stems. He sometimes wore buttons that said things as "Soak the Poor. In his office was a pincher-like device that he explained was for the purpose of "pinching women you don't want to touch".

I remember some of those early dinners at the Hart farmhouse. We drank South American wine and listened to recordings of Ernest Hemingway and F.Scott Fitzgerald, and of Robert Frost reading his poems, and Nixon speeches, and comedian Rich Little doing his Nixon imitation, and George C.Scott delivering the opening speech in Patton, and some of Winston Churchill's orations, and the music from the BBC version of Evelyn Waugh's Brideshead Revisited. There was an ethos here, and a sensibility, and it conveyed to me something about conservatism that I had never suspected. Here was a conservatism that was alive, that was engaged with art, music, and literature; that was at the same time ironic, lighthearted, and fun.

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:27 (thirteen years ago)

dying

there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:31 (thirteen years ago)

"God has a mighty future for Dinesh, but there are some things he has to go through first"

mookieproof, Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:46 (thirteen years ago)

when i see someone in a long raccoon coat smoking a meerschaum the first thing i think is "bolshevik"

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:24 (thirteen years ago)

In his office was a pincher-like device that he explained was for the purpose of "pinching women you don't want to touch".

Um...

The windiest militant trash (Michael White), Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:26 (thirteen years ago)

wtf@ rich little in their conservative pantheon. acknowledging that Nixon was a self parody?

(REAL NAME) (m coleman), Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:42 (thirteen years ago)

i love that this is supposed to demonstrate that conservatives have a rich and storied aesthetic pantheon in which they luxuriate when they get together but then nah it really is just patton and brideshead revisited

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:47 (thirteen years ago)

we even watched south park! some of em, anyway.

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 18 October 2012 22:48 (thirteen years ago)

Anyway, an interesting bit -- while this is hardly polished, this post from Ms. Joseph a few months back goes into huge detail calling out Jihadwatch types as hatemongers. She even calls them Taliban equivalents!

http://smartgirlpolitics.ning.com/profiles/blogs/jihad-watch-this-robert-spencer-and-all-your-cronies-too-the

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 October 2012 00:33 (thirteen years ago)

http://www.dineshdsouza.com/archives/news/response-to-world-magazine/

goole, Monday, 22 October 2012 14:36 (thirteen years ago)

Ultimately this is not just about Olasky or even World magazine. It is also about how we Christians are supposed to behave with one another. And the secular world is watching.

goole, Monday, 22 October 2012 14:38 (thirteen years ago)

And laughing.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 October 2012 14:40 (thirteen years ago)

Probably should amend that a small group of secular bloggers and message board posters are watching and laughing. The rest of the world doesn't give a shit about what Dinesh does with his free time.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Monday, 22 October 2012 14:42 (thirteen years ago)

Oh Dinesh, when it rains, it pours:

One lawsuit, filed in San Diego Superior Court over the past week, contends that Dinesh D’Souza, a conservative author, activist and Rancho Santa Fe resident who was one of three executive producers of the film, has tried to wrest control of the company away from two partners and violated an agreement among them.

A separate lawsuit from a group of investors in the film says that D’Souza breached their agreement with him by writing a best-selling book that drew heavily on the film and not sharing the profits with them, as they claim he was obligated to do.

The plaintiffs in each of the suits are seeking temporary restraining orders against D’Souza to get him to follow what they say are the terms of the agreements and stop exceeding his authority. Court hearings were scheduled for Tuesday but were postponed after lawyers for D’Souza objected to the judges who were assigned to hear them. The cases were then transferred to other judges and are expected to be heard this morning.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 24 October 2012 12:32 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

You know, there just aren't enough Nelson laughs.

http://politicker.com/2014/01/dinesh-dsouza-indicted-for-campaign-finance-fraud/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 January 2014 23:12 (twelve years ago)

whoa

goole, Thursday, 23 January 2014 23:20 (twelve years ago)

It's so stupidly petty too! It's amazing! Basically he got other people to contribute to Wendy Long's go-nowhere Senate campaign against Gillebrand in 2012 and then reimbursed them so he could evade contribution limits. It wasn't even that much too! You'd think after Citizens United he could have done something else.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 January 2014 23:23 (twelve years ago)

"Let's see, I'll do something illegal on a cheap level in a campaign that's going to fail anyway, so I'm doubly throwing my money away and exposing myself to the law." Good job, guy.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 January 2014 23:24 (twelve years ago)

have the cancervatives made a martyr of him yet? i mean, surely the arrest is payback for this, amirite?

http://www.amazon.com/Obamas-America-Unmaking-American-Dream/dp/1596987782

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 23 January 2014 23:28 (twelve years ago)

Yeah but read upthread. After the whole adultery thing he REALLY burned a lot of bridges, and the whole start of this thread talked about how the National Review en masse went "You are too goddamn goofy even for us." He has his supporters but I suspect a lot of the reaction will be similarly incredulous and mocking.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 January 2014 23:31 (twelve years ago)

my heart bleeds for poor dinesh

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 23 January 2014 23:33 (twelve years ago)

D’Souza’s co-producer in “2016” Gerald Molen told FoxNews.com he believes the charges are politically motivated and D’Souza is being singled out by federal authorities for a “selective prosecution.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/23/conservative-filmmaker-behind-anti-obama-documentary-indicted-for-violating/

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 24 January 2014 03:54 (twelve years ago)

So it turns out that the only thing D'Souza's done in a while before the indictment was this.

http://www.dineshdsouza.com/archives/news/dsouza-introduces-fliptree-christmashome-com/

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 January 2014 19:18 (twelve years ago)

Use coupon FRIENDOFDINESH at checkout to receive an additional $50 off current tree price. Only one coupon per tree purchase.

christmas candy bar (al leong), Friday, 24 January 2014 19:31 (twelve years ago)

D’Souza’s co-producer in “2016” Gerald Molen told FoxNews.com he believes the charges are politically motivated and D’Souza is being singled out by federal authorities for a “selective guilty plea.”

fixed

panettone for the painfully alone (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 24 January 2014 20:34 (twelve years ago)

the funny part about that link is how outsized a belief in their own influence they must have to think they constitute any kind of "threat" to the established order. quite a self-serving case of paranoia.

ryan, Friday, 24 January 2014 21:08 (twelve years ago)

The Grand Unified Theory of Dinesh!

http://gawker.com/did-dinesh-d-souza-use-his-mistress-to-break-campaign-l-1509310440

Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 January 2014 16:51 (twelve years ago)

"...though it’s not clear why Louis Joseph, a doctor who lives in Michigan, would risk donating an illegal sum of money to an out-of-state candidate publicly supported by the man with whom his wife was cuckholding him."

goole, Monday, 27 January 2014 16:54 (twelve years ago)

I try to use "cuckold" at least a month

Bryan Fairy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 January 2014 17:00 (twelve years ago)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/dinesh-dsouzas-america-trailer-released-674121

In America, D'Souza -- who wrote and produced the film -- makes the claim that 1960s radical leftism is more or less indistinguishable from current mainstream liberalism, a doctrine that he says preaches the United States is the product of "stealing and plunder" from Native Americans, Mexicans and African-American slaves.

"I want to take this progressive, leftist critique head on," D'Souza says in the trailer. The movie will include re-creations of some of the major events in American history.

goole, Monday, 27 January 2014 18:51 (twelve years ago)

with finger puppets

330,003 Luftballons (WilliamC), Monday, 27 January 2014 18:53 (twelve years ago)

And a kick line

Who is DANKEY KANG? (kingfish), Monday, 27 January 2014 20:59 (twelve years ago)

Meanwhile:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/01/27/ted_cruz_wants_you_to_know_that_the_government_might_be_targeting_dinesh.html

Who is DANKEY KANG? (kingfish), Monday, 27 January 2014 21:08 (twelve years ago)

one year passes...
seven months pass...

Stealing America: What My Experience with Criminal Gangs Taught Me about Obama, Hillary, and the Democratic Party

In the fall of 2014, outspoken author and filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza found himself hauled into federal court for improperly donating money to an old friend’s Senate campaign. D’Souza pleaded guilty and was sentenced to eight months in a state-run confinement center. There he lived among hardened criminals—drug dealers, thieves, gangbangers, rapists, and murderers. Now the bestselling author explains how this experience not only changed his life, but fundamentally transformed his view of his adopted country.

Previously, D’Souza had seen America through the eyes of a grateful immigrant who became successful by applying and defending conservative principles. Again and again, D’Souza made the case that America is an exceptional nation, fundamentally fair and just. In book after book, he argued against liberalism as though it were a genuine movement of ideas capable of being engaged and refuted.

But his prolonged exposure to the criminal underclass provided an eye-opening education in American realities. In the view of hardened criminals, D’Souza learned, America is anything but fair and just. Instead, it is a jungle in which various armed gangs face off against one another, with the biggest and most powerful gangs inhabiting the federal government. As for American liberalism, it is not a movement of ideas at all but a series of scams and cons aimed at nothing less than stealing the entire wealth of the nation, built up over more than two centuries: the total value of the homes, the lifelong savings of the people, the assets of every industry, and all the funds allocated to health and education and every other service, both public and private. “The thieves I am speaking about want all of it.”

And who are the leading figures in this historically ambitious scam that has turned the federal government into a vast and unprecedented shakedown scheme? Why, none other than Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton – the current leaders of the Democratic Party. This pair of smooth-talking con artists, trained in the methods of radical activist Saul Alinsky, have taken his crude but effective political shakedown techniques to a level even he never dreamed of.

As the nation approaches a crucial election in 2016, Stealing America is an urgent wakeup call for all Americans who want to prevent this theft from being completed by eight more years of Democratic rule.

nomar, Saturday, 19 December 2015 20:27 (ten years ago)

he should rly write fan fiction

ecclesiastes nutz (m bison), Saturday, 19 December 2015 20:29 (ten years ago)

This was totally reading as his allegiance-swapping story until the point was revealed as...Obama and Clinton still suck?

Bitch I'm in the 2112 (cryptosicko), Saturday, 19 December 2015 20:32 (ten years ago)

also hrc is trained by alinsky is radical politics, that was an interesting twist, didnt see it coming

ecclesiastes nutz (m bison), Saturday, 19 December 2015 20:32 (ten years ago)

*in rad pol

ecclesiastes nutz (m bison), Saturday, 19 December 2015 20:33 (ten years ago)

two months pass...

whats the deal with this guy

Treeship, Monday, 7 March 2016 04:35 (nine years ago)

four months pass...

Peter Sobczynski (from RogerEbert.com):

“Hillary’s America” may well be the single dumbest documentary that I have ever seen in my life—nearly two hours of poisonous bluster and anti-historical rhetoric that comes across like the desperate ravings of someone trying to make a few more bucks by rehashing the same nonsense before his gravy train finally leaves town. The closest thing I can compare it to are the strange and highly speculative documentaries that Sunn Classics used to crank out in the late Seventies—movies that breathlessly promised viewers that they would reveal the existence of life after death or the Bermuda Triangle or Noah’s Ark but only gave people clumsy reenactments, interviews with highly dubious experts and wild speculation without ever actually offering any of the concrete proof that they promised.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 19 July 2016 16:45 (nine years ago)

And from the AV Club:

That a film already busy with historical reenactments, interviews, and conspiracizing of the wildest sort should end with three consecutive musical numbers suggests a kind of vaudeville structure to D’Souza’s work. As the MC of this show, D’Souza places himself in the unwise position of sometimes having to act: The film’s prologue finds him incarcerated in a detention house, where a charismatic inmate, Roc (Corey Cotten), explains for him how crime works, and how the government is the biggest criminal of all. D’Souza’s facial expression never varies from sour nonplussed; complex emotions aren’t a possibility. There is a shot in one of the final montages, amid all the farms and fields, of D’Souza standing in a sunset-lit prairie, looking like a Terrence Malick outtake. This determinedly uncharismatic figure has now made himself the star of three consistently lunatic productions; this attempt to give himself a moment of poetry is one of Hillary’s America’s final and biggest inadvertent laughs.

Sentient animated cat gif (kingfish), Friday, 22 July 2016 18:55 (nine years ago)

two months pass...

http://www.newsweek.com/judge-orders-dsouza-receive-psychological-counseling-353554

(rocketcat) 🚀🐱 👑🐟 (kingfish), Tuesday, 11 October 2016 05:39 (nine years ago)

judge berman getting cute there imo. can't shrink away ideology

goole, Tuesday, 11 October 2016 15:38 (nine years ago)

ten months pass...

Dinesh now penning paeans to Nazi sex practices, a development that doesn't really surprise anyone

https://twitter.com/spookperson/status/902257553026965504

Jackson Galactic Brain Meme (kingfish), Monday, 28 August 2017 20:00 (eight years ago)

Have you been told that the Nazis were uptight moral puritans? Coming tomorrow--my Oped on the Nazis as bohemian sexual revolutionaries pic.twitter.com/KGvWxrTSfa

— Dinesh D'Souza (@DineshDSouza) August 28, 2017

Jackson Galactic Brain Meme (kingfish), Monday, 28 August 2017 20:00 (eight years ago)

iow, Nazis as hypocrites, posing as moral puritans, just like at least a half dozen mega-famous evangelical preachers exposed as such in the past couple of decades?

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 28 August 2017 20:23 (eight years ago)

all of whom afterward came crying to their followers citing repentance and asking for forgiveness?

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 28 August 2017 20:24 (eight years ago)

five months pass...

Adults 1, kids 0 https://t.co/24iqKtnTxy

— Dinesh D'Souza (@DineshDSouza) February 20, 2018

Worst news since their parents told them to get summer jobs https://t.co/Vg3mXYvb4c

— Dinesh D'Souza (@DineshDSouza) February 20, 2018

crüt, Wednesday, 21 February 2018 07:40 (seven years ago)

Motherfucker ain’t got hit by a bus yet; what a pity

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 08:58 (seven years ago)

grown-up behaviour: insulting gun massacre survivors on social media

Thomas NAGL (Neil S), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 09:06 (seven years ago)

kids get slaughtered while dinesh d'souza still walks the earth

there is no god

NEW CHIMP THREAT (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 21 February 2018 09:09 (seven years ago)

three months pass...

Pardoned.

the blimp of the perverse (Eric H.), Thursday, 31 May 2018 17:10 (seven years ago)

kids get slaughtered while dinesh d'souza still walks the earth

there is no god

capybaras are friend shaped (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 31 May 2018 17:14 (seven years ago)

two months pass...

gabbneb is that you?

You went to a less distinguished college than I did. You weren’t a Stanford U scholar as I was. What makes you more “informed” than I am?

— Dinesh D'Souza (@DineshDSouza) August 13, 2018

mookieproof, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 18:41 (seven years ago)

looool

mh, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 18:42 (seven years ago)

an Elite, get him!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 18:53 (seven years ago)

If he passed with really good grades, then why isn't he spending his time helping struggling businesses?

Evan, Wednesday, 15 August 2018 18:56 (seven years ago)

Good to see that even Stanford U scholars are willing to make time to school-shame Twitter randos.

Funkface LLC (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 15 August 2018 18:59 (seven years ago)

Dinesh somehow has all the worst properties of both Trumpites and NeverTrumpers. He’s both extremely racist and unconcerned with intellectual honesty AND a credential-fetishizing nerd who longs for mainstream validation. A primetime asshole.

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) August 15, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 16 August 2018 05:53 (seven years ago)

one year passes...

self-clowning oven

This is actually the correct pronunciation. Most Americans say it wrong. Thailand is pronounced phonetically. It’s “Thighland,” not “Tai-land.” https://t.co/kiQI7FveEM

— Dinesh D'Souza (@DineshDSouza) August 6, 2020

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 7 August 2020 04:57 (five years ago)


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