False "madrassa" story about Barack Obama

And people have a problem with Jade?

Maybe they could dig up something in foreign referring to Obama as a talib and claim he was in the Taliban.

wtf

You do realize you've just ruined your shot at the White House.

...and yes Marcello, we have a problem with Jade.

lol fantasy world

Debbie Schlussel, who fights Muslims with the same passion she brings to her battles against unauthorized use of the airbrushed photo she uses on her website, has publicly accused Barack Obama of being a Muslim Manchurian Candidate. "Is a man who Muslims think is a Muslim, who feels some sort of psychological need to prove himself to his absent Muslim father, and who is now moving in the direction of his father's heritage, a man we want as President when we are fighting the war of our lives against Islam? Where will his loyalties be?"

Schlussel has a point--It would be very dangerous to have a President who wanted to prove himself to his absent Muslim father. It is important that an American President feel the psychological need to prove himself to a present Christian father.

WAHT?

(Xenophobic attacks can work on someone like a congressperson from Minnesota, tapping into everyone's fear that subversives might be slowly infiltrating government from the bottom up, blah blah blah, but I think Obama's well past the point of public recognition where you can pretend to suddenly "discover" he's a Muslim radical.)

This was mentioned in a private discussion elsewhere today -- it's a good observation I hadn't thought of before, but I'm not totally sold on your conclusion.

So yeah, trolling Townhall or CNS or WND or RenewAmerica for "obama" always results in lolz.

I cosign with Michael Bay.

But I do think there's a level of saturation and reknown you can reach where these sorts of implications just don't work as well, and Obama's up there enough that a lot of them just aren't going to take as well. People are ready to believe a politician is a liar, a cheat, or a swindler, but once people recognize him to a certain extent, you need something pretty solid to suddenly say he's a subversive in disguise.

Obama's good at smiling right past this kind of stuff, too -- cf the "this is my house, too" zinger.

-We have this where the guy talks about how the minorities will vote for him since "minorities will only see a minority, and not an unqualified candidate"

-This guy going on at length to attack Rick Warren, apparently just since the guy dared to have Obama come speak
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Oh the other hand, you have K-Lo writing a pretty supportive bit here, just dropping in this bit

Now the father of two daughters, Obama's focusing on more than his familial responsibilities. Sounding more like a social conservative than a liberal Democrat -- he lauds welfare reform, teen-pregnancy prevention, and just stops short of speaking the right-wing language of personal responsibility and abstinence.

'cuz lib'ruls are all about nuthin' but fuckin' n' abortin', y'see.

But hey, if this is the kinda mental gymnastics she has to put herself thru to come out in support of the guy, so be it.

Leaving aside the douchebaggery of this, it's seriously untrue: among black people, Obama's going to have to do a lot of work negotiating his perception -- he's biracial, and he's immigrant-African, not descendant-of-slaves African, two things that can spark vague resentment when you're successful (and congratulated on being a successful black man). (Obviously failure to recognize this has to do with the original douchebaggery of the statement, but whatever.)

This is akin to instances where people hear about the paper bag test and go, "But why??? I mean, you're still a ni- I mean, black!"

Now, it seems I heard a lot of these superlatives applied to another recent contender for the White House in 2008. With the exception of being black, former Senator John Edwards was feted with much the same.

LOL at dude who doesn't even know what "superlatives" means thinking he has any business deciding who's qualified.

Rush going about how Obama is cool due to smoking being cool from hollywood leftists or something, and from the big ol' surprise Obama apparently has in his pants.

COCKTOBER SURPRISE!!!

"If he's got fire in his hands, what has he got in his pants?"

I keep feeling like this is some sort of riddle: a bottle of seltzer?

Also the riddle keeps making me overthink it, like "maybe he's trying to say Obama's a liar, but if even his hands are on fire, then his pants must be worse?"

Then I remind myself that Rush deserves nowhere near that much credit for brightness or decency, and in 100% of cases really did say and mean exactly the horrifying thing you can't quite believe he actually meant to say.

And in an interview, John Moody, a senior vice president at Fox News, said its commentators had erred by citing the Clinton-Obama report. “"The hosts violated one of our general rules, which is know what you are talking about,"µ Mr. Moody said. “"They reported information from a publication whose accuracy we didn’t know.µ"

Oh yeah, and the guy who runs Insight's web site disputes the "it's not a madrassa" thing, even after the place was actually checked out & investigated. Lolz abound.

-- Ned Raggett

Me either. The 2004 U.S. presidential election suggests that thinly-veiled appeals to xenophobia and racism work. Hopefully, Obama is smooth and smart enough to avoid lasting damage from such attacks.

:-p

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

>:[

on one of the bloggingheads things recently, someone was going through a list of neocons with summary dismissals, and daniel pipes was deemed, simply, "a racist"

http://www.slate.com/id/2086844/

# "Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia" – implying he was an irregularly practicing Muslim.

Ha: I just want to note that Daniel Pipes is not a regular practicing child molester.

lol

At least he was only practicing Islam it's not like he was an expert Islamiser

obama sounds like osama...

Romney sounds like Rommel, and his dad was a Mexican immigrant

John McCain sounds like John McClane. He was born on the Panama Canal, so he has a natural affinity for U.S.-controlled foreign spaces and actively desires to stay in Iraq forever

if John McCain was John McCain/Bruce Willis from Die Hard he would get my vote

um, if John McCain was John McClane, what huh

pipes' dad was the chairman of "team b" (during the reagan administration), backed by rumsfeld and cheney. team b's sole purpose was to refute what they considered the cia's too-benign assessment of the soviet union's military capability. it was also instrumental in the theory that there was a worldwide terror network sponsored by the soviet union. any terrorist act anywhere was said to be connected to this network.

I READWATCH ADAM CURTIS TOO

yay!

http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Network-Claire-Sterling/dp/0030506611

if obama gets the nomination it'll be interesting to watch the official gop candidate try to maintain plausible deniability in re: the "he's a muslim" storyline. especially if the nominee is mccain, who might conceivably be personally pained by that stuff but who would almost certainly be willing to benefit from it anyway.

He will send his black child from 2000 to do the dirty work

but mccain is a manchurian candidate too! his open borders stance was programmed into his brain by the viet cong to bring down america from the inside!!

What about Huckabee's Southern Baptism and it's past association with racism?

What about Romney's Mormonism and its past association with racism?

you dont need to go to huckabee's religion to find his association with racists

i think the best way for obama to address/defuse the thing on the front end would be to implicitly associate it with racism. the media's even more scared of being called racist than it is of being called liberal, and framing the issue that way -- "all this muslim stuff, it's just a way for people to talk about my race without talking about my race" -- would help stigmatize anyone who raises it. (it's also true, which helps.)

If there's anything in 2008 that would be like the Swift Boat folks, it will be Regency Press publishing a memoir by someone who went to school with Obama.

oh it'll happen. that atwater/rove playbook is too ingrained in the party at this point. or if it's hillary, you know, god knows. photos of her at a wiccan sabbath, something.

Team B also came up with a 'survival plan' for the government in the event of a nuclear attack that was completely different from the official one. it openly violated the 25th amendment, and made heavy use of secret hardened installations where trusted executive, congressional and military staff would wait out any attack. cheney's had these 'undisclosed locations' going for a looooong time

Our local news (Berkshire, England) has been all a flutter about how BObama attended a wedding do/Stag night here in Bracknell/Wokingham.

Apparently a "St Trinian's" strippagram was involved, although by all accounts he ducked out of a back door and snuck off back to his hotel at that point.

i had the misfortune of catching that on the One show last night.

funny how the landlord remembered every little detail about his visit that occured long before he was known outside illinois.

but i spose it was probably the only time they ever had a black man in his pub.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7213584.stm

I know the pub (OK, I've been in it once)... it's on the outskirts of Wokingham rather than Bracknell itself.

To be honest, if the whole thing got unmasked as a hoax, I wouldn't be surprised.

another scurrilous rumour leaked by the clintons to scupper the campaign:

"Obama in Went to England Shockah"

And what about McCain's links to the freemasons?

that'll only bother the Traditional Catholics and the Christian Reconstructionists and they're prolly gonna vote Ron Paul anyway

what about Hillary's links to the Gnostic Rosicrucians?

i'm also surprised that Edwards' history with the armies of Charlemagne hasn't given him more of a boost in Arcadia and the Western Territories

i heard a rumour that Romney's a mormon.

What about Hillary's brief co-habitation with the seven dwarves?

I think it was documented in a series of lewd cartoons

I have heard that Mike Huckabee sometimes dresses up in a leather and spandex costume, and goes out at night robbing banks near where he lives. Is there any truth in this?

http://www.vdare.com/sailer/070102_obamania.htm

The brutal truth: Obama is a "wigger". He's a remarkably exotic variety of the faux African-American, but a wigger nonetheless. He has no ancestors who were slaves in the U.S. Moreover, his upbringing by his white mother and Indonesian stepfather in Indonesia and by his white grandparents in Hawaii, where mixed-race children are close to the norm, was almost wholly divorced from African-American life … except for what he could see and aspire to on TV.

Even genetically, Obama, whose East African descent is apparent in his unusual features, has only a distant relationship to the West Africans who are the ancestors of almost all African-Americans. (Here are photos of Obama with Jesse Jackson and with the rapper Ludacris, both of whom have conventional West African features.)

But details like these just seem to make this nominal African-American that much more attractive to whites.

(Here are photos of Obama with Jesse Jackson and with the rapper Ludacris, both of whom have conventional West African features.) (Here are photos of Obama with Jesse Jackson and with the rapper Ludacris, both of whom have conventional West African features.) (Here are photos of Obama with Jesse Jackson and with the rapper Ludacris, both of whom have conventional West African features.) (Here are photos of Obama with Jesse Jackson and with the rapper Ludacris, both of whom have conventional West African features.)

yeah east africans arent even black, everybody knows that... the grand dragon of the kkk here is actually a kenyan dude

who wrote that shit. i mean seriously, ugh.

http://graphics.nytimes.com/images/2004/08/01/weekinreview/Malcomson184.jpg

in what universe do most African-Americans resemble Jesse Jackson?

http://www.room111heroes.com/111_jesse_jackson.jpg

vdare is basically stormfront, i don't know if normal conservatives pay any attention to them/if it it's worth caring what they say.

wtf website is that even?

I imagine scene where young Obama is cornered by some racist thugs, and they're about to beat the shit out of him, but then one of them suddenly notes, "Hey, look at his features! He's East African!", after which they promptly give him some high-fives and exchange dirty jokes in Swahili.

http://www.snpa.nordish.net/bilder/FischerLex3.jpg]

http://www.snpa.nordish.net/bilder/FischerLex2.jpg

IS OBAMA'S BROTHER OBONGO OBAMA ALSO GAY?

NOte that that Steve Sailer thing originally ran in The American Conservative, and Dave Neiwert has been tracking this shit for quite a while.

And don't forget this other Sailer bit:

While some whites envisage Mr. Obama as the Cure for White Guilt, blacks are in no hurry to grant the white race absolution for slavery and Jim Crow, since they benefit from compensatory programs like affirmative action...

and from the tagline for that story: Steve Sailer writes for the American Conservative, as well as VDARE.com and iSteve.blogspot.com.

xp: swiftboat 2.0?

Microsoft is in on it too:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/6416/obsamapw8.jpg

Obama! Barma Arma!

details like these just seem to make this nominal African-American that much more attractive to whites.

yeah east africans arent even black

Hey guys I hate to say it but this is kinda absolutely how the racial politics of the U.S. work, you know? You can pretty much just take my word for this.

very articulate point from nabisco!!

ethiopian dude insists ethiopian dudes arent black

i have to admit i didnt know lou bega was ugandan so you got me there

ok this will be fun

did u guys now that "hispanics" are actually WHITE???

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/59/Gandhisouthafrica.jpg

I AM AFRICAN

http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/original/paltrow_i_am_african_lg.jpg

i wish nabisco looked more like gwyneth paltrow

actually i take that back

cmon i know a lot of east african dudes get lumped in with middle eastern cats & hate rap music or whatever but to put them on a level with teresa heinz kerry is crazy shit

Ethan

(a) bite me, etc.

(b) I am not insisting anything other than that those considerations are very much in the minds of lots of people, whether on conscious levels or not, and all of the following things do make a difference in the world of US race issues:

- white people often being more comfortable with black people who don't have strong west-African features, so that Americans don't have to think of them as "black" except in some abstracted "well his/her skin is slightly darker than mine" way; we could spend all day pulling together a raft of pop-culture examples of this, but in general I'd say anyone who thinks Obama would be received the exact same way if he looked like Patrick Ewing is either dreaming or evading an unfortunate truth

- differentiations people make between immigrant African-Americans and descendant-of-slaves African Americans, and whether people read as black American or just "foreign"; I have spent my entire like involved in really exhaustive research on this topic, and nobody's going to tell me there isn't a world of complication going on with this, or that things about behavior/education/manner don't play into where people get placed

- black Americans sometimes not being all that thrilled to see immigrant-Africans hailed as representatives or shining examples of their community, because there is in fact a significant difference in background and history there

- a million other variations on these issues

Ethan you know all this stuff better than anyone, and P.S. that's a shitty and mean misreading to imagine I said anywhere that Ethiopians aren't black: I said it matters and is really complicated/weird how Americans judge those things

I mean, I'm actually really pissed off by your characterization of what I just said, Ethan. That's just not fucking right.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/db/DaveMatthews2.jpg

Here's an African-American all white peoples can get behind!

i agree with you that being an east african immigrant in america is very different than being the descendant of a west african slave from 200 years ago, but its reductive to say that being black in america is a matter of appearance or even "background" when its generally decided by a) white folks, who lump anybody african or caribbean or multi-racial into "black" and b) black people in america, including obama, who has adopted a strong black american identity as a result of being considered black by essentially everyone. remember, the article we were clowning upthread with 'lol wait kenyans arent black now?' didnt say 'there are complications with issues of african immigrants to america' it said "OBAMA ISNT BLACK HES A WIGGER". the whole argument about him being not the same as american descendants of slaves is as pointless as saying that john kerry isnt really white since he has eastern european features instead of western ones (ps i know this really happened, its still ridiculous). it's worth discussing, but forcing it into the national discourse just helps hillary & the GOP. obama doesnt treat his racial background like the rock or vin diesel or whatever - he's strongly identified as black, took all the shit that came with that, and now asshole republicans want to chip away at any possible benefits of that to erode any possible support. the right wing talk radio chorus that's running obamas-not-black into the ground isnt there to convince people to consider his background and the difference between east african immigrants and the descendants of slaves, it's there to convince black people not to vote for him, and i think giving any cover to that talking point ('oh but limbaugh's right, it's COMPLICATED!') isnt helpful right now

it's there to convince black people not to vote for him, and i think giving any cover to that talking point ('oh but limbaugh's right, it's COMPLICATED!') isnt helpful right now

how would rush limbaugh convince black people not to vote for obama? i'd think the goal would be to get to white people who might vote for a black guy, but not an arab.

rush knows his ability to get shit into the national discourse is far beyond just listeners of his show - how many people have adopted the hillary = hateful feminazi conceit without ever listening to AM radio?

http://www.dailykos.com

but yeah, you're right - its black people and white people who are ok voting for a black guy. by your logic, rush should never even talk shit about the democratic candidates since nobody who would vote for a democrat is listening to limbaugh's show.

i don't know. i haven't heard 'feminazi' for like 10 years. rush is getting a lot more attention having to do w/mccain and republican infighting than anything else.

i think that what ultimately may be more "helpful" to obama among crypto-racist whites (most of the country) is that he "sounds white," at least, moreso than his fairly light skin/east-african features.

er that was a muddled sentence

OK, I've reread recent comments in this thread a couple times now and don't understand what you're saying here re: Rush and nabisco's logic?

I try not to think of ILX posts as contributing in any way to the larger political discussions of the day, so I'm not worried about "giving cover" here -- I just can't watch too much flat-out clowning on that stuff without at some point thinking/posting that no, no matter how you laugh at it, these things have traction in people's heads.

And the part that should be laughed at isn't the suggestion that such things matter, it's the suggestion that these things mattering is somehow some kind of knock on Obama! I can't see the idea that he's not "really" black meaning crap to people who like him; it still reads to me like a sour-grapes reaction from people who don't like him. Nobody's going to get far accusing the guy of some kind of racial inauthenticity when he's already hit a post-race message that might as well have been matched to his face: he is a guy who can say "race doesn't matter," and it comes from the lips of a guy who Americans can't visually place in some kind of stereotypical racial category anyway, so they can't help but believe him.

white people are willing to define blackness as broadly as possible when they think its good for white people but then when a black dude starts doing good suddenly hes not "really" black

try this: i think the fact that obama's voice/accent/speech patterns dont audibly and explicitly signify "black" does a lot more for support among whites who wouldn't normally vote for a black candidate than the fact that his facial features/skin tone aren't specifically or explicitly western african (xxpost to myself)

but yeah, you're right - its black people and white people who are ok voting for a black guy. by your logic, rush should never even talk shit about the democratic candidates since nobody who would vote for a democrat is listening to limbaugh's show.

thats not what i said at all.

again, obama may talk post-racial america and thats all cool but dude still lives on the south side of chicago, married a black woman, goes to a black church, makes youtube videos about how dope the new jay-z is, he identifies as black & i havent met anyone saying he isnt actually for really real 100% black who wasnt trying to hurt him with this big shocking realization

xp i dunno obama's voice sounds like it comes from a tradition of black academics & orators to me - if you dont think he sounds black you have a pretty limited notion of what black speech is

Obama's speech patterns are not always the same, but.. I don't know what they signify but the rhetorical style sounds religious.

I think the video where he's talking about Jay-Z was from a BET special where they interviewed him? (Does he mention listening to Kanye and then say he's more into old school music anyway?)

and?

really dude? half a dozen ppl, including my mom, have mentioned to me that obama doesnt "sound black" in some way or another. obv thats just anecdotal but i thought it was received wisdom or whatever.

yeah i agree obama sounds black. so does his wife. he does slip into sounding like a preacher sometimes.

If his campaign's about a movement (one can argue about what the goal is besides electing him) but --> obama's voice sounds like it comes from a tradition of black academics & orators to me

Seems recognizably so but also post-racial in that he's including everyone in the "we"? (Everyone who agrees with him at least.) :)

Nothing in particular re: Jay-Z just wondering if I'd seen it.

the idea that obama's identification as black is a political affectation to get elected but his race-doesnt-matter stuff is his firmly held belief seems pretty backwards to me

Dude Ethan I am not disagreeing with you on any of these points: "but he's not really black" is exactly what lots of white people like to say whenever a black person does well at anything, as if a black person doing something well were some kind of argument against them that they need to refute --

I just don't happen to kinda laugh that away like it doesn't have some weight to it. And I say again, it works poorly as a specific attack on him, because it takes the premise that for him to be authentically black would be a good thing; the underlying pointless gripe comes off like "oh, you people are all excited about having a cool feasible black candidate, but he's not even really black, you know" -- at this point, nobody who's going to vote for him is confused about his background or which communities he's committed himself to in the U.S.!

xpost - He's sort of sorting out a presentation style for national-level black political-type figures, who thus far have usually had roots in the civil rights movement, and have been seen as "black leaders" in the sense of "leaders of blacks" -- I think he's good at picking up stuff people like from a black oratorical tradition without coming anywhere near cornering himself as Black Candidate

again- we werent laughing away the idea that obama has a more complicated racial standing than most african-americans, we were laughing at a dude saying-

"The brutal truth: Obama is a "wigger". He's a remarkably exotic variety of the faux African-American, but a wigger nonetheless. He has no ancestors who were slaves in the U.S. Moreover, his upbringing by his white mother and Indonesian stepfather in Indonesia and by his white grandparents in Hawaii, where mixed-race children are close to the norm, was almost wholly divorced from African-American life."

xpost - Yeah I guess the difference is that I can't bring myself to find that funny!!!

I would be happy to not have to watch people decide whether Obama is "black" or "foreign" or whatever as if it is vitally important that he be assigned a firm category, but -- maybe I'm cynical -- I expect to see plenty of it

I sat down with Obama last year and I said to him: "look, I've had some experience with this, let me tell you about some spelling bees I won in middle school and stuff people said"

this is a big question nabisco and you dont have to answer it but i think its relevant to this discussion - what are times in your life when other people decided you were more "black"? and what times in your life did other people decide you were more "foreign"?

Ya see, them Neegrows have flat noses. The Bible says that people with flat noses are not allowed to approach God "For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous," Leviticus 21:18

Ethiopians on the other hand have proper noses so they ain't really black

- Jim

I think he's good at picking up stuff people like from a black oratorical tradition without coming anywhere near cornering himself as Black Candidate

Sure.. But then, there is something I find.. difficult to handle in this speaking style which sounds religious + campaign as a movement. I'm trying to think right now what other political figures use this kind of rhetoric, wondering if I only take notice with Obama of something more widespread?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgtIqeV-6mk

difficult to handle in this speaking style which sounds religious + campaign as a movement.

Do you have a problem with gospel elements being found in RnB music?

I've been trying, E, and I can't seem to find a short answer to your question that doesn't sound really cynical and negative; it feels like people will often consider you black for negative or self-serving reasons, and consider you "foreign" in a way that is deliberately "exempting" you from being black, usually because you are behaving in a middle-class/educated manner. I will say that how black people think about this stuff can be a lot more individual, and basically revolves around a good detector for whether you think you're approaching as one of the group or not -- but I'm not sure how that'll shape up over the coming years, as we'll surely see black communities in a lot of cities have to sort out relationships with growing African-immigrant communities, lots of whom are going to be Muslims.

Alternate answer: I got treated as Webster until I grew up and now I'm bald and my glasses make my nose look big so now everyone thinks I'm Indian

Do you have a problem with gospel elements being found in RnB music?

Um, RnB music isn't running for POTUS?

The fact that there's a black-American oratorical tradition that's associated with the church doesn't make that style somehow actually religious! Mostly it just points up that for a long time the church was one of very few spaces black Americans had available for oratory at all.

frederick douglass, am i right?

But, if it is associated with the church, the association's there and the style evokes it, doesn't it..?

So what?

daria, are you building on the "obama movement is a cult" storyline or what?

I think that if you are freaking out because an orator has the vocal candence of a preacher, you need to do some serious self-reflection on your attitudes.

I also think that it is an order of magnitude easier for any white person to laugh off a "lol he's not really black" line of rhetoric than it is for a black person, particularly if that black person has been the focus of that line of rhetoric.

daria is buggin about obama talking like a preacher while her chosen candidate says the only way to stop the 'tragedy' of abortion is through 'moral and religious values'

xp dan im not laughing it off because i think its an uncommon charge or that nobody will buy it, im laughing it off because it deserves to be laughed off

I didn't say anything about whether it deserved to be laughed off or not, I'm just saying that if that shit has been levelled at you, you are more likely to take umbrage to it being brought up regardless of the context.

http://www.chieftain.com/print.php?article=/metro/671864400/12/sea

You are incredibly creepy sometimes. Don't ever change.

I'm not freaking out about any given orator having the cadence of a preacher. It's.. Well, I don't know if anyone is hearing what I'm saying, but it's weird being on the other side of a campaign that's all about how you have to believe, everyone will be unified, etc. Look at his website, it's very much reflecting that. Do you guys understand where I am coming from at all?

yow, that is creepy

Sorry. :/

(O_O)

Hey jaymc. See if you can figure out where I live.

Do you guys understand where I am coming from at all?

No, but I'm pretty sure my wife would. (She's also supporting Hillary and is actively turned-off by Obama's rhetoric because she thinks he's just bullshitting and floating empty promises that he can never back up.)

anyone who thinks Obama would be received the exact same way if he looked like Patrick Ewing is either dreaming or evading an unfortunate truth

7 foot obama would be so amazing

I guess I hear this rhetoric as inspirational to some but not inclusive to all, because to me it sounds religious but entirely rooted in a different religious tradition (my background is Catholic), so it is jarring to hear that I should believe in this campaign, said the way it is said, when the usual language I associate with faith and belief and such is completely different (and boring, granted).

i remember peter piper pizza!

Just speculating if that may be why his message isn't playing nearly as well with Catholic voters. (On the other primaries thread it was suggested that they were just racist, basically.)

I could go for a pizza right now

PPlains, check your e-mail.

I wonder what sort of dossier awaits.

HAHA OMG JAYMC: I actually felt a twinge of guilt over using "spelling bee" as the joke-example upthread, because yes, M4ry4nn Wh1tm1re beat me. All through grade school, she was the Hillary to my Barack.

We even had a public-speaking competition in grade school where I talked about the civil rights movement and she talked about great women through American history. She won, but hers was kinda prim and Shirley Temple-y and involved putting on different hats to represent the various women of American history. (Hence I really respond to that Simpsons where Lisa is like "but they had PROPS, it's not fair.")

I heard M4ry4nn became a goth in high school, though

It's probably a picture of PP asleep in bed.

aw. i <3 M4ry4nn.
xpost

lol nabisco doesnt use props, is judged to be not that otm.

This email is coming from inside the house.

xxpost

Haha.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/ladylinoleum/Gary.gif

^^^ UH v2.0

hows your geography skills now nabisoc?

Holy shit, jaymc.

My first name isn't really "Tre", so that's some hardcore detective work.

Hey jaymc. See if you can figure out where I live.

-- Pleasant Plains, Monday, February 11, 2008 4:28 PM (Monday, February 11, 2008 4:28 PM) Bookmark Link

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PPlains, check your e-mail.

-- jaymc, Monday, February 11, 2008 4:37 PM (Monday, February 11, 2008 4:37 PM) Bookmark Link

lolololololololololololol

What can I say, I like a challenge.

jaymc, where is Osama?

Not sure. He doesn't appear to be on Whitepages.com.

Where is M4ry 4nn Wh!tm1re today?

I read that article and for a second thought that Nabisco's real first name was Mdbo and last name was Mdnm.

I read that article and for a second thought that Nabisco's real first name was [ban me] and last name was [ban me].

Nabisco, I think she might have joined Phi Alpha Theta...?

Ha, she went to college where my friend Chris is now a math prof.

NOte that that Steve Sailer thing originally ran in The American Conservative, and Dave Neiwert has been tracking this shit for quite a while.

And don't forget this other Sailer bit:

While some whites envisage Mr. Obama as the Cure for White Guilt, blacks are in no hurry to grant the white race absolution for slavery and Jim Crow, since they benefit from compensatory programs like affirmative action...

and from the tagline for that story: Steve Sailer writes for the American Conservative, as well as VDARE.com and iSteve.blogspot.com.

-- kingfish, Monday, February 11, 2008 6:21 AM (16 hours ago) Bookmark Link

I know no one cares about this anymore, but American Conservative is apparently a paleoconservative magazine co-founded by Pat Buchanan, so...again I don't know how much influence that kind of stuff has with the rest of the right wing. I think Neiwert's whole schtick is alarmist but I'll admit I don't know much about it.

I already figured out where she went to college, guys, geez

LOL --> Steve also writes for iSteve.blogspot.com

short for "i, steve, am a racist creep"

I guess I hear this rhetoric as inspirational to some but not inclusive to all,

i am not sure i understand where this comes from...?

(am asking earnestly, btw)

I just came across this old thing. I realise it's supposed to be lighthearted, but wow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDcSC7SoJRw&NR=1

I don't know how to explain well I guess.. other than it sounds to me like it has religious overtones but from a completely different religious tradition? And somehow the question seems to be, not do you agree on this or that policy, but do you believe or not believe? You know, there are these big rallies with people chanting "Yes we can" and I feel like an apostate, because most all the cool kids my age and younger are for him, and this is our moment, and I guess I'm missing out and going to kick myself a few decades from now for that?

Holy shit that video. our media SUCKS

fwiw, I've occasionally gotten the "not really black" thing, and I am descended from slaves

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iluvrok otm. i wouldn't have voted for George Walker Bush because i don't like the idea of my president only being able to move at one speed. scary stuff!

more like iluvraq95

Ha, now that I've read a bit further downthread, I would like to mention that I too, was my middle school geography champ. (8th in WA, bitches!)

lol nerds

:( i was a geo nerd too
but everyone already knew i wasnt black

not that i am a regular reader, but American Conservative has no influence w/the republican party. they endorsed ron paul and this was a recent cover:

http://www.amconmag.com/2008/2008_01_14/images/magcover.jpg

yah but rudy lost bigtime

I guess I'm missing out and going to kick myself a few decades from now for that?

probably

eh whatevs if obama wins and u luv him youll just be all remind me again why i didnt vote for this lovely dude lol

I guess I hear this rhetoric as inspirational to some but not inclusive to all, because to me it sounds religious but entirely rooted in a different religious tradition (my background is Catholic), so it is jarring to hear that I should believe in this campaign, said the way it is said, when the usual language I associate with faith and belief and such is completely different (and boring, granted).

-- daria-g, Monday, February 11, 2008 1:33 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Just speculating if that may be why his message isn't playing nearly as well with Catholic voters. (On the other primaries thread it was suggested that they were just racist, basically.)

-- daria-g, Monday, February 11, 2008 1:35 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

I think there might be something to this. Just curious, Daria, do you live in the Northeast?

i wouldn't have voted for George Walker Bush because i don't like the idea of my president only being able to move at one speed. scary stuff!

-- J0rdan S., Monday, February 11, 2008 6:12 PM (34 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

http://www.jihadwatch.org/John_Walker_Lindh.jpg

and here i am thinking i had set my facebook profile to private

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDcSC7SoJRw&NR=1

I'll see you that and raise you this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2EtzXqzJM&feature=related

why is Dick Cheney wearing a wig

stick it out at least to 1:52 or so

oh man it's just

it's like kinda riveting

OMG THAT VIDEO!!!

gets ultra-psycho right about 4:30-ish

I think it's the clock that sets her off, some kinda manchurian nutjob scenario

"In fact, I've heard Hillary Conrad Clinton and her husband Bill Conrad Clinton have pissing contests off the balcony of their house."

I believe that's "comrade," jaymc

Oh, that makes a little more sense.

I'll see you that and raise you this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb2EtzXqzJM&feature=related

-- J0hn D., Tuesday, 12 February 2008 00:16 (8 minutes ago) Link

Never knew that dude from Trailer Park Boys was so right wing.

I would like it better if it were "Conrad."

Yeah, I thought it was just a butchered version of Rodham.

I would like it better if it had never happened

it happened and you made us watch it.

lol wouldn't load for me so all I saw was She-Cheney smirking at the webcam

I would like it better if it were "Conrad."

Yes.

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"The only thing you have in common with Lincoln is that you come from insane states."

John, thank you. This is my nomination for Best Short Film in next year's Oscars.

Oh god, what if this is actually a Harmony Korine viral video?

'when it looked like the north was gonna lose the civil war, abraham lincoln didnt just pack up and go home'

you and abraham lincoln have absolutely nothing in common except coming from an insane state

oh didnt see that alfred had already posted that

WARING -- this clip maybe harmful to political correctness and a little humor is required.

i think she underestimated the amount of humor

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go!

i have been told i am 'basically white' and 'not really colombian' for basically my whole life it is almost always intended as a compliment, and it always comes outta the mouths of rich white kids who feel they are doing me a favor. i usually think about punching them for a long time

do you think about it for a long time or do you want to punch them for a long time?

Just speculating if that may be why his message isn't playing nearly as well with Catholic voters. (On the other primaries thread it was suggested that they were just racist, basically.) -- daria-g
I think there might be something to this. Just curious, Daria, do you live in the Northeast?

Mid-Atlantic (MD), but Polish Catholic part of the family from Wisconsin. Maryland has a lot of Catholics but not in our part of the state which is the Appalachia part. RI is the most Catholic state in the nation and Massachusetts after that..

i think about it for a long, long, time. i wd never punch anybody fo realz.

maybe you should. Wow, who says that stuff!!?

Yeah so I've thought about this longer, and here is the negative part of the breakdown, which I'm sure lots of people here can back up or expand on:

you are "black" / Other: when people are afraid (dark streets, ATM vestibules), when they want to hurt you (racial slurs), when you do something that conforms to negative stereotypes, or when people can get some self-serving benefit from considering you that way (whether it's proving that they're personally down with minorities or that their business or institution is diverse)

you are not-black / non-Other / abstractly "foreign": when you fit in with educated middle-class people who backhandedly accept you as a kind of honorary Caucasian, when you achieve something intellectually, or when people don't want to admit that someone really of your ethnic group could be as good or successful as you

Some of these things have roots in thinking that isn't necessarily malicious. But what's galling is the realization that your race is being assigned based on behavior: if you behave in a way that's "bad," it'll be racialized and counted against a group -- e.g., if you are dumb or aggressive or commit crimes, you are black -- whereas your "good" behavior or success aren't credited to race, and are used to lift you from a race category altogether.

I think it's probably important to remember about Obama that he has his American roots in what was probably the last time period where it wasn't an option for him to skirt the racial category of Being Black. People just a decade younger than him would grow into an era where places like elite colleges would be full of the high-achieving children of middle-class immigrants, so that a brownish face on an Ivy-League campus would just read as one of them; he, on the other hand, was an undergrad up by Harlem in the early 80s, when no amount of upbringing with a middle-class white family was going to supersede walking around with dark skin! So it's a little weird to try and read his racial identity in some kind of 90s or post-90s fashion, given that it developed during an age where people were unlikely to give him the backhanded "oh but you're not black-black" treatment. This is a very different thing than if he were stepping onto Columbia's campus or graduating into the business world today (when people would likely considering him another high-achieving first-generation immigrant and put him on the covers of brochures to tout their commitment to diversity).

Sorry, that was long.

Maybe the shorter version is that no matter where we're at now, let's not imagine that while walking around as a teenager in the late 1970s, Obama didn't read "black" to ever purse-clutching person he walked past, or that there'd be any kind of "decision" involved in identifying and aligning himself with black communities wherever he happened to be

seriously, you guys should read his book, which is about obama's own struggles with his multi-racial/american identity

I had kids tell me I "wasn't really white" at my mostly black high school. To a certain extent it's just a way of saying "we see you as one of us." It's just much more fucked up when it comes from privileged white kids for whom "one of us" means "not one of those lower people"

Oh and P.S.: I know the Obama/Osama stuff is ridiculous and and inevitable and seems like the kind of stupid/obvious needling that should just be laughed away, but it gets to me on a personal level, because it is as basely racist as a racial slur -- it carries with it that same thrust that no matter who you are, what you stand for, or what you achieve as an individual, you do not count because of your ethnic background, and you'll always be just another {applicable racial slur} to me.

Thank you for your time

it's also a bit vertigo-inducing to stare into the depths of the lower ranges of human intelligence

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I'm voting McCain. I'm conservative and always have been.

I voted for Bush four years ago, but I don't agree with him on stem cell, abortion or gay marriage. He mixes religion and government too much.

The Clintons are still hiding things from their first administration. Obama, I don't really like his Muslim roots.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/08/americas_maryland_voters0_views/html/1.stm

her roots aren't looking too good either

shit like that is so unbelievably frustrating. im sorry morans cant take the time to actually discern fact from fiction

dude my mother-in-law repeated the madrassa story to me a couple of months ago and was earnestly surprised when I told her it wasn't true. She's highly educated and reads The New Yorker and The Economist on a regular basis. I'm guessing it was probably circulated through some Israeli e-mail list she's on.

and agree with Nabisco here - too many people are actually buying into this crap to laugh it off

i kinda think the obama/osama hussein angle is amazing. that that shit is coming up just now just shows how totally appropriate he is for this time. its actually auspicious. just the name thing even. which is one reason why people like paul krugman are so uncomfortable. it doesnt quite fit in the quantified liberal version of leadership or cause and effect. they dont trust symbolism. it might actually be considered demeaning to say that a person has great symbolic value. but i somehow doubt that obama himself would take it that way.

WTF happened to Clarissa?

this is the comment that proves i'm totally in the tank for the guy:

i think the shitstorm of hate that'll hit hillary in the GE will be a horrible waste of time and set this country back ten years. but i'm actually kind of looking forward to the shitstorm that'll hit obama.

man Tape Store you had me worried there for a second

isnt setting the country back ten years the whole point of hillary's campaign

I am not looking forward to any shitstorm. that said at least it won't be sexist so i won't take it as personal? (though, you never know - dowd will try her best to make it sexist, she called gore feminized after all.)

And yeah, I don't trust symbolism. In any form, really. More concerned with action on a day to day basis. Philosophical differences there.. I think it is demeaning to a person to make them a symbol, though it's a different thing entirely if they're not so subtly making the case themselves..

No, we're going to get healthcare for every american!!! it is her number one priority!!! do you see?

xpost

It's going to take more than 10 years to dig us out of the hole W put us in and I'd like the most competent person in there to take on the job. If it were possible to only set us back 10 years I'd happily take it but thanks to 8 years of this fool in the White House we're a lot more fucked over than that

Thanks JeffK, I'll bear that in mind

no one has to make or be made into a symbol. its just a basic form of communication. funny those who consider themselves the vanguard of civilized knowledge and sophistication are the only ones who cant grok this.

And who are those people? Are you just trying to say that to me specifically and doing it in a passive aggressive way?

Way beyond politics I just don't believe in symbolism, it is a philosophical thing, I wish I had the energy to clarify better but I'd have to pull out all those theory books I put away three years ago.

the people im talking abt are the wine and cheese eating liberals obv

you should know this is why horrible republicans win and win despite constantly doing things that are in pretty much nobodys best interest

I do think it's.. making someone a symbol is reductive, it takes away from who the person is and what they've done, it creates a set of expectations that can't hold up in messy reality. imho

What is why GOP wins? Not trying to annoy I think I'm confused by the cross posting.

being against symbolism is like being against the sky - its still gonna be there and you will have to deal w/it - pretending its powerless or convoluted does no good

this is why no one ever wanted to have a beer w/john kerry

I find this to be a bizarre argument. Daria, do you really think that Hillary doesn't symbolize anything to you or to most of her other supporters? Or that that symbolism isn't a major part of people's support?

but i'm actually kind of looking forward to the shitstorm that'll hit obama.

roughly put, but i kinda sorta am looking to this too, which some of my posting has alluded to. Just get all the shit out in the open, all the racist/xenophobic/eliminationist/batshit religious effluvia, lance the boil and pop that zit and let's get all that shit out there and in real time on the networks. Expose the rotten, moldering core of american rightwing paranoia and bilious and bordering-on-violent hate to the kleig lights of non-entirely-rightwing mass media outlets, see what happens.

"Macaca" took down a potential republican candidate, let's see what else can be done.

For one thing I think Hillary often appeals to people who think they're making the more rational, realistic choice, which itself is paradoxically as much an irrational, emotional, and symbolic choice as voting for "change" or "inspiration."

in other words, for the vast majority it's all just branding, and believe me I wish the brand I'm sold on was called "realistic" and not "hopeful".

well, I wouldn't necessarily call it "branding" which I think is a reductive term that gets overused

I don't think you can just take any ideas and attach them to any candidate successfully.

these candidates are trying awfully hard to attach ideas to themselves.

and are successful at it.

well to be fair to democracy, the people who are left in the field i think are actually people who believe a fair amount of what they're saying. (and in "people left in the field," i'm not including huckabee -- special case, he's auditioning for a tv show. but i am including ron paul.) they all become cartoons of themselves, but the most obvious and shameless hucksters have been dispatched with. (huckabee excepted again, a huck can't help being a huck.)

at a certain point, obama's people are gonna have to start calling the muslim shit racist. i don't think anyone in that campaign really wants to call things racist, it would work against their strategy, but they'll have to have surrogates or somebody out there doing it. because it is racist, and saying so would be smart politics too, if you do it right.

these candidates are trying awfully hard to attach ideas to themselves.

-- Cosmo Vitelli, Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:43 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Link

and are successful at it.

-- Cosmo Vitelli, Tuesday, February 12, 2008 2:44 AM (10 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Right, but these candidates also have histories, records, articles written about them, youtube videos of them, etc. You can't just take any candidate and convince the public anything about them. Hillary goes with "experience" because it's the best packaging of what people already know about her and the way she comes across. Same with Obama and "change." You couldn't just take Hillary one day and make her into the "faith" candidate or something because she's not a blank slate.

all candidacies are symbolic and all campaigns are run on a heavily symbolic engine

for that matter, the Office of the President is heavily symbolic

so, y'know, get with the program

^^^ OTM

saying you hate symbolism is like saying you hate language or abstract thought

Straw man argument ^

i hate symbols themselves

http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textc/images/Crashcymbals.jpg

(xp to shakey) oh come on now, i think daria has a point. i just don't agree with it. it's simplistic but it has a ring of truth: hillary's sell is nuts-n-bolts and obama's is about something a little more metaphysical than that, no? can we have broad agreement on that at least.

not to bring up REAGAN again, but in electoral terms the metaphysicians have thumped the mechanics pretty handily.

(this is getting a little o/t but) there is plenty of hopes-and-dreams stuff attached to HRC's candidacy, and i don't have much doubt about obama's ability -- relative to HRC's -- to engage in 'hard work' or 'trench warfare' to enact policy. the question in my mind is, how do you make the sale, to get in the door, to do the work in the first place?

lmao xxpost. yeah right, Obama is a handsome man he can do much better than that rundown fat fag. LIES>

anyway, i really agree with this:

roughly put, but i kinda sorta am looking to this too, which some of my posting has alluded to. Just get all the shit out in the open, all the racist/xenophobic/eliminationist/batshit religious effluvia, lance the boil and pop that zit and let's get all that shit out there and in real time on the networks. Expose the rotten, moldering core of american rightwing paranoia and bilious and bordering-on-violent hate to the kleig lights of non-entirely-rightwing mass media outlets, see what happens.

...which i can understand is a dangerous wish; i've wanted to see these people take fire for years, and i'd enjoy getting into it, sort of independently of how well Obama would do in the election. so yeah, his candidacy is sort of an excuse to engage in open warfare with the cockroach wing of american conservativism, which i'm sure the man himself wouldn't agree with.

but yeah, i'd love to see all the crypto-racist creeps from 'respected' ppl like daniel pipes and steve sailer down to ppl like that nutcase woman rambling on youtube take some serious scrutiny and opposition. maybe it wouldn't do anything! (nb cockroaches are still doing fine...)

There are at least two kinds of games: finite and infinite.

A finite game is a game that has fixed rules and boundaries, that is played for the purpose of winning and thereby ending the game.

An infinite game has no fixed rules or boundaries. In an infinite game you play with the boundaries and the purpose is to continue the game.

Finite players are serious; infinite games are playful.

Finite players try to control the game, predict everything that will happen, and set the outcome in advance. They are serious and determined about getting that outcome. They try to fix the future based on the past.

Infinite players enjoy being surprised. Continuously running into something one didn't know will ensure that the game will go on. The meaning of the past changes depending on what happens in the future.

I haven't kept up with this thread at all, so my apologies if someone already posted this, but TPM put up a story this morning on the increasing frequency and intensity of the rumblings against Obama -- e.g., "he's a Muslim" and "he's anti-Isreal" -- and suggests that, as expected, there's far more to come.

cross that w/ 'obama obsessives are like a cult' and its prob the most worrisome thing about his campaign

Deej, right on cue: Obama The Fascist

(So says Jonah Goldberg, at least).

I overhead some people talking about the election last night in a restaurant. They sounded like fairly intelligent, well-informed people - discussing real estate, the economy, etc. One of them brought up Obama, which immediately prompted the question, "But isn't he a Muslim?"

the best thing obama has to combat this i think is his personality, which always comes across as extremely reasonable ... it makes you feel silly to get all aggy about him

It's going to be a big issue. It's the nu-effort to "Swift Boat" Obama. I'd like to say McCain would -- unlike Bush -- forcefully and effectively condemn those efforts, but I very much doubt he will.

also he doesnt have a turban or anything, so like, he cant be that muslim

AND HE HASN'T BLOWN UP ANY BUILDINGS OR WHATNOT, RT? PROOF.

Here's a relatively mild example of the effort -- a story in the New York Sun about how Obama supporter Zbigniew Brzezinski (the article calls him an 'advisor' -- he's probably something between a supporter and advisor) is leading a delegation to Syria sponsored by the highly controversial left-wing Rand Corporation.

huh???

i feel like the most frustrating thing about this is how the press are going to report the spin vs. the facts of the story, i.e. "Accusations came from Fox News that Obama is a muslim. The Obama campaign claims that this is not the case. We report, you decide!!!"

i think also getting this out now causes obama to ramp up the jesus stuff which turns off primary voters

man Goldberg is beyond cretinous, its kind of amazing. opens with pointing out he hasn't read much or researched anything about Obama, then makes vague generalizations linking the nature of appeals to shared identity to fascism. lolz

i dunno if theyre smart enough to be playing it like that but its working

daniel pipes has some articles with headlines like "confirmed: barack obama practiced islam", then in the article says "hey not that it's a bad thing, but since he's no longer practicing, muslim countries won't want to deal with him as president since he vacated the faith plus they might try to kill him so we need someone else."

I wouldn't worry too much about the majority of the American Jewish vote if Obama becomes the nominee. Jews mostly vote Dem and are wary of smear stories about people's religious practices and alleged divided loyalties.

And I just have a gut feeling that attempts to impugn his commitment to Israel won't work.

in 2000, 19% of jewish voters went for bush even with lieberman on gore's ticket. in 2004, 24% went for bush

the Rand thing = sarcastic summary of the story's implication, surely

at the jewish heritage museum across the street every car has a hillary or obama bumper sticker, parked underneath a giant WE STAND WITH ISRAEL banner

cant someone buy obamaisnotmuslimyoumorons.com and get it near the top of google search results for 'obama muslim'

uh 19% is not v much

"even with lieberman" -- the Jewish voters that actually like Lieberman are the ones who voted for Bush

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Melissa Hart, 24, waitress
Obama, I don't really like his Muslim roots.

-- deej, Monday, February 11, 2008 9:23 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

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Melissa Hart, 24, waitress
Obama, I don't really like his Muslim roots.

-- deej, Monday, February 11, 2008 9:23 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

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Melissa Hart, 24, waitress
Obama, I don't really like his Muslim roots.

-- deej, Monday, February 11, 2008 9:23 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

Melissa Hart, 24, waitress
Obama, I don't really like his Muslim roots.

-- deej, Monday, February 11, 2008 9:23 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

I'm not saying some Jewish voters won't make Israel an issue, but even with the ones who do there isn't much evidence that they trust Democrats any less than Republicans on that issue

the first three google results for obama + muslim are snopes, a "netlore" page, and cnn, all debunking. the fourth result is debbie schlussel >:(

I don't think the real audience for such scare tactics will be Jewish voters. I think the heartland/Red State voters are the real audience.

and after that, daniel pipes xp

Well, I think that's who it will work on. But conservative pundits have been trying scare tactics for years to attempt to win Jewish votes. I can't imagine it's paid off that heavily compared to how much effort they put into it, but that doesn't stop them from trying.

xpost

Let's be serious here: there is a shitload of slippage in a lot of people's heads between the idea of being Muslim as a religious practice and "Muslim" as some kind of familial or ethnic origin. What we're talking about isn't just some correctable misimpression that his religion is Islam, it's a whole larger xenophobic fear that he's from elsewhere and not one of us and has his sympathies with some other culture. (Melissa says "Muslim roots," meaning your politics are not as important as which world religion spent more time on the place where your father's sperm came from.)

There are plenty of Americans who only know and identify with the tiniest slice of culture immediately around them, and it can be difficult for some of these people to trust or even understand people whose identity is not equally and fiercely limited -- even KERRY got the smear of being insufficiently American!

btw guys jonah goldberg thinks everyone is a fascist

"liberalfascism. nationalreview.com"

fascists like cookies everyone likes cookies...

Jews are what 3% of the population? And the percentage of Jewish voters that are rabid Israel supporters is probably like a quarter of that...? I doubt anyone's basing political calculus on these miniscule numbers.

there are way more fundie Xtians who support Israel than Jews, I imagine

OTOH Rove has been known to try to micro-target segments of the Jewish community (and of many other communities) that are significant minorities and can be counted on to vote as a bloc if you persuade them properly.

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I read about this guy almost 2 years ago in TIME and immediately had that feeling. I had NO idea he'd ever make it this far.

He does indeed fit many of the charecterisitics of the antichrist.

- He is extremely articulate and charismatic - when he speaks everyone tends to listen.
- He claims to be of Christain faith (however, his morals and values go strongly against what Christ taught).
- He's heavily involved in the church.
- He has a very diverse background - from muslim teachings at a very yound age, catholocism, christianity (same thing basically but yet very different), he has a black father from Africa, a white mother - so there is his European descent and his name represents the middle-east. In a sense - he is everyone of us since he is such a diverse individual in all areas.
- He has come out of the wood works and his popularity is snowballing overnight. It is almost cult like and some even claim he is the Messiah.
- He is rising in a VERY influential political posistion.
- He is promising change, he even said something along the lines of "we will build a kingdom on earth" - it is well known the antichrist will bring peace - he will perfrom miracles (whether it be fixing the economy, lowering gas prices - any number of things that we are hurting for)

The fact that the antichrist is supposed to be hurt by something that in all human nature should kill him - well, look at it this way - if he IS elected, do you know how MANY people will try to assasinate him?? Whether it be rednecks or christains who truly believe he is the antichrist and want to stop him

I'm not saying he is - as of now, it is impossible to tell. But my eye is definately on him. We are told, as christains, to keep a watch out for him in order to raise the alarm for other believers so we are not deceived. Because the antichrist will decieve MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people - even christains who are not watchful.

So far - yes, he does fit many of the characterisitics. But there are other things to watch for and I beleive if he is elected that is when we should never take our eyes of his every move. So....maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Only time will tell.

i love how earnest this person is

We are told, as christains

That's how I like to think of people like this.

For someone who's such a rampant Christian you'd think he'd be able to spell it.

Speaking in tongues, don't you know.

I didn't realize one of the characteristics of the Anti-Christ was "a diverse background". How terrifying!

We're getting the generation raised on Left Behind worried. Only Kirk Cameron can save us now.

Cameron/Banana 08

I ain't even gone lie. i been thinkin about it for a minute now. not even all because of his name or his race or anything. just some stuff that i read in the bible is makin me think it could be him. like, it said that the antichrist would come off as this good person who stood for peace and everything. now, i ain't sayin that world peace is bad or anything, cuz im all for it. but it's other stuff too. clearly he different from any other president we've ever had. and in the bible, i forgot where they said he would come from, i gotta find it, but i know he wasn't from America. I think from the east or somethin. I gotta look that up. And his name is Barack Hussein Obama But I ain't gon knock him, cuz i could be wrong. maybe he just another dude who want a lil peace in the world. but for this dude to come out the blue soundin like the antichrist himself, u can't say that don't sound like a conspiracy. but hey, that's just me. ima skeptical person. but wat u think?

i been thinkin about it for a minute now. not even all because of his name or his race or anything.

And his name is Barack Hussein Obama

What a way to totally contradict yourself in one post.

it must be hard to live in a democracy and not be able to support any presidential candidate who is 'articulate' and 'charismatic' because he might be the anti-christ

Bush ran on an "obviously not the antichrist" platform.

the bible says that antichrist won't come from America. Good to know.

would be kinda awesome if the Bible DID say the antichrist would come from America tho wounldn't it?

yeah as i recall from my left behind daze dude was supposed to come from some murky part of the balkans, was raised by wolves in the mountains of india or some shit

'the area known in modern times as turkey'

"For lo, I say to you, the world is ROUND, and a thousand years from now a land will be discovered called America by what will be known as Europeans, and this land will give birth to yon Antichrist"

Amerigo Vespucci: "Chris, check it out. It says in this here *bible* that the antichrist is going to come from some weird magical place called ...look, land!"

"And he will stand athwart a tide of SUVs and fast food chains and he will sayeth that he brings change"

"my left behind daze"

HOOS i thought your wilderness years began and ended with slam poetry?

oh no i also went lookin for jesus

for like 3 years

hoos.xls

trawling left behind message boards keeping tabs on the constantly updated "EYE OUT FOR ANTICHRIST" thread

^ not kidding

I think if I went looking for Jesus and ended up with Kirk Cameron, I'd be pretty pissed.

I have to hand it to them -- for people who suspect Obama might be the Antichrist, they're making a good effort to be fair-minded about it!

Bush ran on an "obviously not the antichrist" platform.

-- Hurting 2

Well, someone didn't believe him:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880

now, i ain't sayin that world peace is bad or anything, cuz im all for it.

Dude needs to work on his beauty pageanting.

keeping tabs on the constantly updated "EYE OUT FOR ANTICHRIST" thread

link!

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880 + http://i25.tinypic.com/a0hpjr.jpg = ?

trawling left behind message boards keeping tabs on the constantly updated "EYE OUT FOR ANTICHRIST" thread

-- BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, February 28, 2008 2:51 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

wait I thought you were into that stuff before you found ILX

I LOVE ANTICHRIST

New Answers

Gospels: OPO
Jesus: C/D j/k!
Is Donald Trump the antichrist?
False alarm antichrists: s/d
Our God is a Wicked Awesome God: Boston Thread part 10

"EYE OUT FOR ANTICHRIST" was actually another Boredoms thread.

isn't the antichrist supposed to come around and fuck shit up whether we figure out which of us he is or not? what's this bullshit that we're supposed to be able to stop revelations from happening? do these dumb motherfuckers believe in the fucking bible or not?

I know, antichrist coming means we're all going to Heaven! AWESOME BRING IT ON BITCHEZZZ

Yeah, good point. Not like it matters if we VOTE for the antichrist - armageddon isn't a fucking ELECTION.

don't blame me - I voted to turn a 1/4 of the world's oceans to wormwood!

in this post, the cookie monster vocal style we be denoted by the bold tag

ARMAGEDDON IS NOT AN ELECTION
ARMAGEDDON IS NOT AN ELECTION
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Barrack says "I have been a member of the same church for 25 years".

That is a very vague answer and in fact not an answer rather a side step. I think he has some good ideas but- he needs to answer. Being a part of a Church doesn't necessarily mean anything more than he is a casual attendee who doesn't believe a lick of what they preach that isn't in agreement with the koran.

If he's been a member for 25 years - what faith was he before. What faith was he at birth? Did he go through all the rituals of islam? Was he circumcised at 13?

I think he needs to answer these questions:

What was his faith at birth?
If he wasn't born Christian, did he convert and why?
How old was he when he converted?
Does he still follow any islamic teachings that contradict Christian teachings?
Will he have a ham sandwich on national TV?

edit: BTW he has never said he isn't or has never been muslim. He sidesteps with the answer about belonging to the same church for 25 years.

Will he have a ham sandwich on national TV?

NEW LITMUS TEST FOR FREEDOM LOVE
BABY KISSING OBSOLETE

ROOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

like they can't CGI up a realistic-looking hamwich.

Ethan, WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING?

i knew that sandwich was a 'shop

you can tell by the pixels

HAMPIXELS

pretty sure back in 2000 lieberman was eating tofurky

WAIT IS THAT HAM SANDWICH CUBAN?!?

When he was a lilttle boy, his cruel step father who beat his mom, which is his
sisters father, through him into boarding school. He later
broke away and was raised by his grandmother in a
far off land called America.
he wasn't brought up by his father or anyone on his darker
pigment side.........he graduated at the top of his class.
Met his wife in college and then he went and used his
lawyering skills to help poor people.
Then he got married and started working for food
because babies were coming.

He's never been in a bar or suspended like Bush for drinking
he never ever smoke and exhale like Bill.

He has only the 5 long treacherous hours he spent at knife
point by his senior supervisors at the law firm he should sue
now for causing him damages in his presidential election!
and he's not against gays or whomever they marry. Gays
have their religion and he has his.
Who is running a card, just for Gays??
I really want that gay person over there to be happy, Im
running for that one gay guy solely, even though I can't see
the point of two plugs or two sockets going at it.
Gee sex is my running point.............hold on.....didnt
the 14th amendment take care of that.......Lawrence v the State of Texas?????

Too late.....gays are covered. Get married and use all the other laws and loop holes.....go out and clutch one anothers in public owee.......too each his own or hers.

suzy ethan works inside the hilary campaign he's got it under control don't worry about anything

go out and clutch one anothers in public owee

Next time, don't clutch so hard.

It most certainly should bother everyone......IF Obama is NOT actually a Muslim ( as he & others claim )......Then WHY is Obama being endorsed by " muslimsforobama08.com " ??? ----IF it is of no concern & Obama is now a Christian ( as he & others claim )----WHY is Obama trying so hard to distance himself from his Muslim background by contending that he is now a member of the Trinity United Church of Christ which IS a Black Separatist Church &, as such, is also troubling to me ?? ------ IF ANY Candidate was even SUSPECTED of being a member of a White Supremacist Church ??.......Al Sharpton & Jesse Jackson would be marching in the streets tomorrow......

Actually, I find Obama's affiliation with Trinity "Christian" most concerning.
Of their 8 or more members of pastoral staff, all are black.
Most of their educational books are black history (this is church?).
They claim in their website to be an EOE (equal oportunity employer) but when I clicked to send a resume, I got a "no access to website".
When I clicked to contact them regading church membership, I got the same "no access" page.
Also, their statement claims to include all "socioeconomic" backgrounds, specifically educated and noneducated, rich and poor, but no mention of culture or ethnicity (race).

So, if a lawyer were to investigate the claim of equal opportunity employment and their blockage of contact per website and find 2+2=4, would the ACLU even respond? Probably not.

So, why should this concern me as an American voter with children and grandchildren?

Because, those of you who are under the disillusionment that religion does not affect/effect govt office, you are under strong delusion.

So, no, his Islam background does not concern nearly as much as his affiliation/connection/devotion/accounta... with Trinity "Christian".

Racism is racism, it is ugly. Why is this "church" resurrecting such destructive ideology as segretation, racism, ignornance, Darwinism? Anyone who can read or write can see the manipulation and deceit. And I don't want my grandchildren under the heavy hand of this monster disguised as the "church".

Check out the website in detail if you dare.

If Obama were a serious candidate for ALL the people, why would he affiliate himself with such? How much money under the table is raised? You would be surprised. False christianity that preaches militant style prosperity to an elite select membership is worse than Islam. At least with radical islam you know what to expect.

Why is this "church" resurrecting such destructive ideology as segretation, racism, ignornance, Darwinism?

lets start animalfuckersformccain08.com

IF McCain is NOT actually an animal fucker( as he & others claim )......Then WHY is McCain being endorsed by " animalfuckersformccain08.com " ???

You damn right it bothers me. I won't vote for him or support him for that one reason.

These people are slowly destroying our country by using our very own Constitution as a weapon.

Sorry this isn't PC but truth wins out over PC every time!

Source(s):
A non-muslim would NOT have a middle name as Hussein!

its like you want to pick out one particularly wtf line but then theyre all that way

2004: http://www.cynical-c.com/archives/001348.html

2006: http://wonkette.com/politics/barack-obama/meet-the-antichrist-209549.php

They claim in their website to be an EOE (equal oportunity employer) but when I clicked to send a resume, I got a "no access to website".
When I clicked to contact them regading church membership, I got the same "no access" page.

THE INTERWEB TCP/IP CAUCASIAN DETECTOR WORKS!!! IT WORKS!!

White people click with a mouse like this

how many of these people can actually operate a voting booth

^^^^
this

They claim in their website to be an EOE (equal oportunity employer) but when I clicked to send a resume, I got a "no access to website".
When I clicked to contact them regading church membership, I got the same "no access" page.

this is seriously the funniest thing ive seen all day

i would call the church to check up on those claims, but they'd probably be able to tell that i was white

how many of these people can actually operate a voting booth

lol zero (0) if the voting booth has a working WHITE DETECTOR

im comforted by the notion that if a thunderstorm occurs on voting day they might fear the armageddon enough not to go to the polls

THE DEBBIL is sending the thunderbolts! OH NOES!

it's spelled 'devil'

Barrack Hussanie Obama is a 100% Muslim disgusing himself as a Christian,just to get the Christian votes.
Barack Hussane Obama says his schooling in Islamic Teachings in the madrassa in Indonisia could help America--In an interview, Barack Obama argues that his exposure to Islam and the Muslims (his biological father,and his step father) could improve cultural understanding with Islimic dictators like Iran’s dictator.
Pastor Jeremiah A. Wright the preacher at the church Obama goes too is a supporter of Louis Farrakhan (who called Judaism a "gutter religion" and depicted Jews as "bloodsuckers"). All my life I've stayed alive by trusting my instincts, not the media. If he is, he's a figurehead for the Terrorists. If he's not, the next major attack, many Americans will then blame him. They lose either way. And No, Jon, I am NOT a Hillary supporter.
Thanks.

All my life I've stayed alive by trusting my instincts, not the media
All my life I've stayed alive by trusting my instincts, not the media
All my life I've stayed alive by trusting my instincts, not the media
All my life I've stayed alive by trusting my instincts, not the media
All my life I've stayed alive by trusting my instincts, not the media

i dont even know what to say about that

as though there are only two options in life--trust your instincts, or trust the media--and if you choose the wrong one, you DIE

me, ive mostly stayed alive by eating enough and not getting in car accidents

All my life I've stayed alive by eating, drinking and having shelter.

(xpost!)

i love how these people are so concerned about the jews being badmouthed all of a sudden.

What was his faith at birth?

Baby!

^^ my current religion

i thought your religion was a puppy

Lauren TOTALLY OTM.

one for Remy:

http://www.jimhillmedia.com/mb/images/upload/Cruella-De-Vil-B-web.jpg

You don't owe it to anyone to correct obvious joke spellings.

joke, hi

Other Questions by this User:

How do I rid a Demon from my house? (and more please look)?

I asked this question already and someone recommended I find a ghost hunter. I already did last year, they made a webpage from their investigation. All they did was record voices that they picked up with their recorder. The page is here-

http://www.delawareghosthunters.com/coop...

You can see they did not cleanse the house, all they did was observe. I am wanting to know how do I get rid of the demon? I know it's a Demon because our house has:

Hissing noises right behind your ear in the middle of the night.
Red eyes.
Angry stomping footsteps walking around.
Slamming doors and windows shut so hard that they have broken.
Pounding on the walls and floorboards.
Cups, plates and dishes come flying off the counter and break.
Some parts of the house get very hot, then very cold.
Has once whispered "GET OUT!!!!!!!!!!!"

Thanks for your help,

Baby!

-- nabisco, Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:24 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^ my current religion

-- nabisco, Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:24 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i have it on good evidence that nabisco is just disguising himself as a baby-religionist just to get the baby-religion votes

i just checked on facebook, his religion is actually the (clearly antibaby) number "2897"

No, Max, that figure is clearly labeled "Religious Views"

OK, remy, forget about it. ;-)

Ethan's correspondents from Stupidworld are really freaking me out.

2897 pageviews

lol @ people thinking 'and what' is typing all of this himself :-)

stanm is on the case

why should i trust you "nabisco," (if thats even your real name) given that i know your exposure to 2897 and the 2897ists makes you a liar??

ps i am NOT a hillary supporter???

nab hussein isco

lol i dont know why the ps had question marks after it

it's not just stanm! we're all on the case. ILX CIZITEN JORUNALSM

If he is, he's a figurehead for the Terrorists. If he's not, the next major attack, many Americans will then blame him. They lose either way.

serious lols at this "logic"

i bet you he lowers the terror level to blue to throw everyone off his scent

Clearly, Max, the view count is provided by Facebook.

Now that you've looked at it, you'll notice it's gone up from 2897 to 2898.

I'm kind of worried that Obama winning the nomination is going to lead to me getting arrested for punching a moron.

pretty much every day since he threw his hat into the ring, I've alternated between "wow, America might really elect this guy" and "yup, here comes the race war"

Has anybody been listening to Coast to Coast AM lately? I wonder if any of these freaks have popped up on open line nights.

i love how these people are so concerned about the jews being badmouthed all of a sudden.

-- lauren, Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:23 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Look, half of "these people" are Karl Rove in his underwear.

thank you for that image!

ohsnap!

I'm kind of worried that Obama winning the nomination is going to lead to me getting arrested for punching a moron.

^THIS...

Basicly I'm not a mindless sheep. I would like to state first the media is being too soft on obama and here is why.. If anyone criticizes obama freaking super racist al sharpton will picket their head quartersor come repelling outa the trees

Either way we have learned saying anything bad about an african american will label you as a racist biggotso noone can say what a young moron he is claiming change. We all know Washington is rigged with obama the only thing that will change is his ignorance thinking washington will change just for him.. It's hilarious yet kind of sad..It will take obama at least 2 years to learn how things actually work.Clinton has seen 1st hand how Washington really works therefore can get started quickly. I think both of their /our best interests would be a clinton pres with obama vp she can get things started give obama 4 years in washington as a vp but then i'm not rich enough to be a republican you might be?

i think a hillary nomination would depress me about as much as a mccain presidential victory at this point, tbh

http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?t=36119

The photo has Muslim all over it.

Certainly there are no such photos of McCrain or Huckabee or Bush circulating around as they are not pro-Islam.

In addition, put together the Muslim name with the Mulim garb and it adds to................................................ ...................MUSLIM!

http://circadianshift.net/images/bang-head-on-keyboard.gif

http://www.rr-bb.com/image.php?u=5226&dateline=1201676513

I saw it and I was shocked.

The modifying phrase is "For the first time in my life".

To use your example, if your son came home and you said, "for the first time in my life I'm really proud of you" I would take that to mean that no, you had never been proud of him before--that this is the first time.

She horribly misspoke. I presume she was a kid when Americans landed on the moon. You weren't proud then, Michelle?

Michelle, when East Germans took sledgehammers to the Berlin wall, you weren't proud of America's role in the downfall of Communism?

When American technology was proven to be no match for Saddam Hussein's army in the Gulf War, when Israel was defended by Patriot missiles, when Kuwait was liberated, and the ghosts of Vietnam were exorcised from our military--not proud?

Your husband is running for President on a platform promising change (BTW, same buzzword Bill Clinton used in 1992, nothing new) NOW you are really proud for the first time in your life?

Gimme a break...

When American technology was proven to be no match for Saddam Hussein's army in the Gulf War

lol I thought we won that one

biggotso

I'm voting for McCrain...with a side-order of fries.

so good to be reminded that no matter whos in office next year this country is going to be full of jerks

i'm sorry if i was mistaken. some posters here seem to be implying that he is Muslim. even if he has Muslim ties in his past or in his family, how is that a threat?

Well....one would have to study islam to understand. Can you see the reaction on the muslim street around the world if the Americans "elect the son of a muslim"? They will see it as a cowardly omen. That we are weak...that we want islam in our country. These people do not live in modern reality, as we have seen over and over again.

we have a Muslim serving in Congress and Muslims in our military yet our country is still in one piece.

That's a great point, and a fact that shows they are infiltrating at an alarming pace. Did you ever read the CAIR documents, or the words the leader of that org have stated? They do not need to attack us militarily...they can infiltrate from within.

the links on his website were from Muslims for America or something like that. for crying out loud,

they're American citizens! Obama's reportings to the FEC will disclose any money coming from Saudi Arabia or any other Middle East money--and as far as i know most of his money is not from the Middle East (if he has any from there)--its from very energized American voters.

Whether they are American citizens or not is not the issue. Muslim British citizens have been arrested for terroristic operations in their country. Citizenship does not carry ANY significance to them. Again....reading, studying, researching will put a whole different light and perspective on your opinion. IF you are willing to put in the time to educate yourself.

Citizenship does not carry ANY significance

http://www.nps.gov/remembrance/manzanar/images/_lg_manzanar.jpg

does anyone know if muslims have infiltrated ILX yet??????????????

These people do not live in modern reality, as we have seen over and over again.

reading, studying, researching will put a whole different light and perspective on your opinion. IF you are willing to put in the time to educate yourself.

These people do not live in modern reality, as we have seen over and over again.
These people do not live in modern reality, as we have seen over and over again.
These people do not live in modern reality, as we have seen over and over again.

LOL xpost

That's a great point, and a fact that shows they are infiltrating at an alarming pace. Did you ever read the CAIR documents, or the words the leader of that org have stated? They do not need to attack us militarily...they can infiltrate from within.

CAIR endorsed Bush's campaign in 2000.

false flag operation

They will see it as a cowardly omen. That we are weak...that we want islam in our country

i'm actually OK with islam in america, just as long as we keep in on the muslim street

http://www.fotogblog.com/uploaded_images/muslim2-753405.jpg

^^ the muslim street

http://bp0.blogger.com/_1ihUIofCaxs/R80W1SRsMYI/AAAAAAAAAGA/Bs4vN8AYH9w/s320/namestand.jpg
Obama is the Anti-Christ. This is the evidence:

1.- He will come as a man of Peace (Obama promises peace in Iraq, defeat for the US)
2.- He will come mounted on a white Female horse(Obama mother is white who had 6 African husbands)
3.- He will come to deceive( Obama says he's a Christian but in fact he was born a Muslim, practices the Islamic religion, prays Friday’s facing Mecca)
4.- He will make himself the most powerful man on earth, if elected
5.- He will try to destroy the Jewish People and Israel( Obama has said he loves the Arabs specially the Palestinians, hates Israel and Jews. Admires Hitler, Osama etc)
6.- He will present himself as good and righteous but in fact he's Satan himself. Violence is in his heart
7.- Obama will help Al Qaida in its evil projects.
8.- Barack Hussein Obama is the “King of the South” predicted in the Bible.(Daniel .11, Kenya is south of Jerusalem)
9.- Obama comes to implant muslim Sharia Law upon America.

Obama is the Anti-Christ, beware of him.

Watch him and don't let you be deceived by Him.

Supporters of Obama: 1.5 billion Muslims, Oprah, Louis Farrakanh, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all American Muslims.

OBAMA’S GAME IS DECEPTION AND VIOLENCE

A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS A VOTE FOR OSAMA AND KILLER ISLAM!!

IF OBAMA WAS NOT MUSLIM, HE WOULD BE CONSIDERED AS VP BUT A MUSLIM IS TOO DANGEROUS FOR OUR FREEDOMS TO CONSIDER.

Barack “Hussein” Obama scares the bejesus out of me! Why? He’s a smooth talker and, like Bill Clinton, he seems to be coated with Teflon. Sadly, the most obvious disqualifier in our new world of terror, a middle-eastern name, is the one people seem the most willing to ignore. (I thought everybody and their dogs were watching 24!)

It seems that every article on Obama inserts “Christian” in the bio, yet his lineage and background appears anything but Christian. For example, his father was a devout Muslim, and his mom an atheist from the abortion capital of the world, Wichita, Kansas. I don’t buy the sales pitch that he has turned a new leaf. First, the man couldn’t be more pro-Abortion. While serving in the Illinois legislature he voted repeatedly against a law that would make it a crime for hospitals to dispose of still-breathing, alive, recently aborted children in what amounts to a garbage heap. The law “stated all live-born babies were guaranteed the same constitutional right to equal protection, whether or not they were wanted.” The same law was supported on the Federal level by none other than Senators Kerry, Kennedy and Clinton. Only after Obama took up residence in D.C. did the Illinois law pass. Moreover, he is adamantly opposed to the Partial Birth Abortion ban on the national level, which tells me that he hasn’t changed a bit.

I’ll give Democrats some leeway if they at least draw the line at partially delivering a baby, then killing the child via scissors in the back of the head and sucking the brains out, but not drawing a line at all is downright putrid, even by atheistic and satanic standards. (All abortions should be illegal, but I won’t go there.)

In summation, Obama claims to be a Christian, yet he has consistently taken sides with the ungodly. I have no doubt that he may be “religious,” but not Christian. I suspect that radical Muslims have no problem with Christians and other infidels killing their unborn children. It’s the modus operandi of the fanatics of Islam. Convert all you can, then kill the rest; if they kill themselves, all the better. A visit to your neighborhood abortion clinic will likely reveal that the vast majority of abortions are performed on middle class girls and women, with the poor conspicuously absent. As a Democratic Hispanic friend of mine observed: it’s not Hispanics and Blacks getting abortions, so it really isn’t their problem; it’s mostly reserved for Anglo-Americans. I also suspect that none of the patrons are Muslims.

If a Democrat has to be president, I’d take anyone over Obama, even...I won't go there either.

I'm starting to get a little worried about how many different examples of this shit you keep finding. the man is going to be shot.

WHY DOES WHITE PEOPLE NEVER WANT TO GIVE BIRTH

KEYWORDS: 2sweet; bisexual; emptysuit; kingbarack; muslim; obasms; osamaobama; racecard

I'm starting to get a little worried about how many different examples of this shit you keep finding. the man is going to be shot.

I agree with this but didn't somebody from one of the campaigns drop a hint of this and get rung up for bad taste or something?

didn't somebody from one of the campaigns drop a hint of this and get rung up for bad taste

actually its was the new york times on the front page

Obama mother is white who had 6 African husbands

islamo-mormonism gone mad

haha, oh rapture ready, you'll never cease to be an endless fount of batshittery running hot & cold. The existence of Chaldean-Americans I guess hasn't hit their radar yet.

As an interesting coincidence, here's the banner ad that popped up when I did a dictionary search for the correct spelling of "fount":

http://content.yieldmanager.edgesuite.net/atoms/ba/f6/baf6ed52781185399985c958d81bd912.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw0zr9hn01E

SNL is part of the problem.

Which is a huge social distance between the urban, highly paid, mostly single, professional class, which SNL is the High Priesthood (all their energy spent determining who is most hip and cool), and the working-middle class. Who in turn are mostly married, suburban homeowners, not concerned with being hip and cool and thin/young because, well they’re not. They’re married.

Obama will lose that voting block “big time” as Cheney would say. Even more, the working class will have serious problems with Obama running as he is now (91% of the Black Vote) as the “Black Candidate” because such policies: soft on crime, anti-patriotism, Islam-appeasement, increased welfare spending, and so on hurt them in the pocketbook. It means higher taxes, which go to welfare in the inner city instead of things for them. A message of “give me your money” and “get off the bus” or “So Long White Boy” as the Atlantic piece said.

Obama had chances to pick up this demo, but wanted the Black Block vote at 90% or so, which nails the Primary but loses the general. His victory underscores the weakness of Dems — by being “Black/College/SNL” they’ve become electorally weaker.

My fav bit:
He will come mounted on a white Female horse(Obama mother is white

I'm gonna resubmit all the tMG stuff to Gracenote w/new genre tag Black/College/SNL

weird thing I just discovered - Bill Clinton didn't do as well among black Americans as Mondale, Dukakis, Gore or Kerry, and tied with Carter (all won more than 80%, but those four were in the 90% range)

Hey and what, isn't SNL ridiculously pro-Hillary? I know Tina Fey and the head writers there have gone into what amounts to Hillary campaign speeches. As in, what the hell are you talking about?

There are also more white welfare recipients in the exurbs and rural areas than there are black ones in the cities. Those Gingrich-style rants appeal basically to the middle and upper middle class Republican white voters who wouldn't vote Democrat if Reagan were resurrected and ran as one.

not concerned with being hip and cool and thin/young because, well they’re not. They’re married.

I resent the implied connection here. I am extremely concerned with being hip and cool and thin/young.

Oh that's funny. SNL is the high priesthood of hip and cool. And good lord, WHEN WILL ALL THIS HIPSTERS STOP BEING SO COLLEGE-GOING? It's unAmerican, is what it is.

Suburban people are too busy having babies to watch SNL.

Mad resentment and clueless projection going on here. You have an aging suburbanite boomer upper-middle/middle white guy who's long since decided to excoriate certain attractive personal qualities has he hasn't had a chance to achieve any of them in over a decade, what with the mortgage going up and both kids finally gone to their stupid lib'rul colleges and his fat-ass wife not caring anymore. How he longs for the life of his imagined Manhattanite; one who's young, hip, thin, single, cool, black/college/SNL. He'll never get anywhere near any of those(tho Weightwatchers offers certain possibilities), so it's sour grapes time and he must attack those San Fransisco Values Holders and Their Champion.

For some reason, i'm reminded of nothing so much as the resentment that Dosteovsky and Neitzsche wrote about; the latter when he went on about how "Good at"/"Bad at" was inverted into being "Evil"/"Good", by folks who weren't good at jack shit and decided that meekness should be celebrated instead.

Or something.

Toss in a bit of your usual bullshit rightwing cluelessness and there you go.

xpost Wait, I thought black people were the big breeders? On no, now I'm all confused.

I declare "black/college/SNL" the adjective of the month.

he's the black/college/snl beyonce

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That, my friends, is what happens when you try to remember every one liner liberal talking point and then recite it in public. They don't base any of their talking points on fact, just opinion, and that opinion usually comes from a poster on a liberal message board with a screen name akin to livinginmom'sbasement123.

I'm surprised that when he was mid fumble of words he didn't try to get a standing ovation by yelling Bush lied! Halliburton! Gets em every time!

http://obamawho.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/obama-muslim.jpg

photographic evidence

Over the past few weeks, Fox News has made racially insensitive insinuations about the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, Barack Obama, referring to his wife as his "baby mama" and calling a greeting the couple exchanged a "terrorist fist jab." What other similar incidents have occurred on Fox News?

Estimated the amount of time Obama has spent on front porches during the course of his life

Repeatedly called Obama by one of his middle names, "Hussein," while omitting the other, "Christopher Horowitz"

Have used 78 percent more sports terminology in describing Obama's campaign than McCain's

Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy involuntarily shrieked when a graphic of Obama flashed behind his shoulder

Noted that Obama looks like the Fox News team's "one friend"

Whenever he is shown exiting a limousine, journalists mention that his Escalade must be in the shop

Scored footage of Obama visiting a Russian mobile launch missile dismantling facility with the theme from Shaft

Generally biased news reporting

http://media.salemwebnetwork.com/creative/TH/thoseshirts-Jul08-158x265.jpg

okay that shirt is actually kind of awesome

ha can't wait for disney to sue the living fuck out of these people. our bullshit IP laws can be put to some good use for once...

Haha, i like the contrasting models:

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http://thoseshirts.com/images/model-atf-T375.jpg

disney's part of the reason we have bullshit IP laws

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hooray! extermination!

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http://thoseshirts.com/images/shirtsquare-osa.jpg

http://thoseshirts.com/images/shirtsquare-fbo.jpg

Not quite as clever as the "FW" bumper stickers, but there you go.

And here's one we can all agree on:

http://thoseshirts.com/images/square-large-pro.gif

but really, there are so many to choose from

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http://cgi.ebay.com/Blackamoor-Statue-Lifesize-Barack-Obama-looklike_W0QQitemZ160263084671QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item160263084671#ebayphotohosting

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You gotta admit, that's uncanny

it cracks nuts too

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The Obama Death List
The following is a partial list of deaths of persons connected to Barack HUSSEIN Obama during his time inside the United States. Read the list and judge for yourself...

SARAH BERKLEY - Author of "The Jihad at the Ballot Box" - a book examining Obama's relationship with radical Islam. Died in a mysterious car crash in 2003.

RUSSELL MCDOUGAL - Former FBI operative, January 23rd, 2007. McDougal was known to hold sensitive information about meetings Barack Obama had with arms smugglers. His wife was murdered March 2006 after he went public with his initial reports. His father died July 8, 2006 four hours after McDougal presented his findings on the Savage Nation. Suffered administrative retaliation after reporting discussions by jihadist groups concerning Obama to his superiors.

RODRIGO VILLALOPEZ, a television news camera man who shot the footage of Obama describing small town voters as "bitter" and "clinging to their guns during the primary season.

BRIAN GORING - A defense attorney for Obama patron Antoin Rezko during his trial for extortion and bribery. Died of apparent "natural causes."

MERCEDES HUGLEY, one of Obama's many white, female conquests while at Harvard. Filed sexual assault charges against Obama for date surprise sex in 1990. Because "date surprise sex" was not considered a crime like it is today, she ended up dropping the charges. Two years later, she was found dead of an apparent cocaine overdose.

TAMIKA HILL - A former secretary for Obama's office in Chicago was murdered July 6, 2005 at a rib shack in the south side. Hill had spoken off the record with a reporter from the Chicago Sun Times about meetings Obama had with black militants in the city. She was murdered before she could ever be properly interviewed.

HASAD AL SHAREEZ - FBI informant. Reported to his handler in January 2001 that he had a tape about of a person named simply "B. Hussein" meeting with 9/11 hijacker Mohatma Atta in Prague. Was found shot in the basement of a mosque in Dearborn, MI in October, 2001.

DARSANO RAHARDJO - Childhood classmate of Barack Obama when he attended a madrassa in Indonesia. Was found with his head cut off in a Jakarta alley way in 1970. Many children at the school attributed Rahardjo's murder to the young Barack Obama. It was likely done as an initiation ritual, since Islam demands that a boy spill another's blood before the age of ten to prove their loyalty to Allah.

REVEREND DAVID MANNING - Former head of the Trinity Baptist Church in Chicago. Was murdered during the apparent robbery of a catfish restaurant in 1972. Shortly afterwards, Rev. Jeremiah Wright took over as head of Trinity and a many parishoners (who later left the church) suspected Wright in having a hand in Reverend Manning's death. Decades later, Manning's son JAMAL MANNING was found dead of an apparent crack overdose in 2004. It was rumored he was going to bring evidence of Wright's complicity in his father's death. His testimony was timed to coincide with Obama's first senate race.

CHRISTOPHER HARGROVE, A former lover of Larry Sinclair. Found dead in a hotel room of apparent auto-erotic asphyxiation in January 2001. Was said to have been enraged when he found out that Sinclair had cheated on Jackson with Obama in the back of a limousine. To get revenge, Jackson planned to release digital pictures Sinclair had taken of the encounter on the Internet.

PAUL ROTHCHILD - Democrat National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Washington DC in 2003. A "friend and trusted advisor" to senatorial candidate Barack Obama. Dead of an apparent suicide.

CURTIS "POOKIE" JACKSON - Chicago drug dealer. Was the subject of a police investigation in which he was suspected of funneling money to Obama's many various community projects. Killed in 1998 in an apparent gang murder.

HARVEY KENYON - Head of Obama's senatorial security team in Chicago. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside of Grant Park in 2005. Kenyon's son said his father was building a dossier on Obama. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house

SHEILA BAUGH - A Washington DC madame. Died from a gunshot wound. Reported to have a black book of people containing names of influential people who visited the prostitutes in her brothel. One of those names was allegedly Barack Obama.

KEYSHAWN "SPOON" CALWORTH - Was found dead of an apparent heroin overdose May 18, 1997. Was reported to have ties to Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

LAWSHAWNA MARTIN- 26 year old mother of five, a Cabrini Green resident with a
history of substance abuse. Told two of her co-workers at the Blue Peppermint Gentleman's Club that she would have to quit work because she was pregnant again. Strongly implied that the "baby daddy" was Barack Obama. The next week, she was reported missing. No body was ever recovered, but Lawshana has not resurfaced since making those remarks.

BILL FERGUSON- Senior aide to Barack Obama. Found dead of an apparent heart attack.

GANDY BAUGH - Attorney for Obama friend Antonin Rezko died by falling out an
eightieth story window of the Hancock Tower, January, 2003. His client was a convicted Chinese spy.

DARSANO RAHARDJO - Childhood classmate of Barack Obama when he attended a madrassa in Indonesia. Was found with his head cut off in a Jakarta alley way in 1970. Many children at the school attributed Rahardjo's murder to the young Barack Obama. It was likely done as an initiation ritual, since Islam demands that a boy spill another's blood before the age of ten to prove their loyalty to Allah.

HASAD AL SHAREEZ - FBI informant. Reported to his handler in January 2001 that he had a tape about of a person named simply "B. Hussein" meeting with 9/11 hijacker Mohatma Atta in Prague. Was found shot in the basement of a mosque in Dearborn, MI in October, 2001.

KEYSHAWN "SPOON" CALWORTH - Was found dead of an apparent heroin overdose May 18, 1997. Was reported to have ties to Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

i refuse to believe a guy with the nickname "spoon" would die of a heroin overdose

and a bit of history: http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/2008/07/zombie-right-wing-smears-return-to-life.html

lol "Democrat National Committee"

Islam demands that a boy spill another's blood before the age of ten to prove their loyalty to Allah.

^^ this makes islam sound like a much cooler religion than it actually is

Filed sexual assault charges against Obama for date surprise sex in 1990. Because "date surprise sex" was not considered a crime like it is today, she ended up dropping the charges.

is "surprise sex" a right-wing euphemism for "rape"? or did this list just come from a something awful poster?

surprise buttsecks

a thousand dollars to his campaign if Obama issues a press release beginning "While it's true that I have personally murdered many of my close associates"

CHRISTOPHER HARGROVE, A former lover of Larry Sinclair. Found dead in a hotel room of apparent auto-erotic asphyxiation in January 2001. Was said to have been enraged when he found out that Sinclair had cheated on Jackson with Obama in the back of a limousine. To get revenge, Jackson planned to release digital pictures Sinclair had taken of the encounter on the Internet.

i guess this guy didnt keep any copies of the pictures for himself?

HASAD AL SHAREEZ
DARSANO RAHARDJO

LOL msde-up names

I got an email from Darsano Rahardjo once! Something to do with inexpensive designer watches on ebay.

that's two Indonesian surnames I think

http://www.usatoday.com/money/workplace/2008-07-21-fist-bump-handshake_N.htm

i think this means we've won

every single thing about that story is mindbreakingly fucked up, btw

"I have not encountered a fist bump and would judge anyone who tried it as a total redneck," says Dr. Grace Keenan, medical director of Nova Medical and Urgent Care Center in Ashburn, Va. "I hope that it never is seen as a replacement for a handshake in the business community."

Tim Houlne, CEO of Working Solutions, a call-center outsource company that contracts with 76,000 work-at-home agents, says he thinks the fist bump is a fad. He saw one business acquaintance initiate so many at a social event that "it began to feel awkward and uncomfortable."

Houlne says he used to do it with his children, but even that stopped once they turned 10.

CEO of a call center outsource company describes other things in the world besides his business model as "awkward and uncomfortable"

thanks Tim

DARSANO RAHARDJO

This article and all others like it brought to you by people who have not watches sports on TV in the last fifteen years.

watched

it must be SO EASY to be a reporter

"so... do you do the fist bump with your kids?"
"no. not anymore."
"oh, ok. why did you stop?"
"they are now ten years old."
"ok. thanks."

http://i.usatoday.net/money/_photos/2008/07/22/fistbumpax-large.jpg

Learning from the best.

SHEILA BAUGH
GANDY BAUGH

same last name...... COINCIDENCE?????

gandy, short for GANDALF

meanwhile, more names are coming in:

SOJOURNER ‘FATIMAH’ SHABAZZ – Bangladeshi mother of Arab baby “adopted” by Cyndi McCain from 1984-2003. Grew to regret Muslim indoctrination, converting to Christianity and attempted to reclaim illegitimate black baby from McCains in years approx. 1972 timeframe. Executed 1999 in Darfur under orders of Hova tribesmen related by blood and marriage to Obama, head transported to Bohemian Grove in Northern California as trophy. It was rumored he was going to bring evidence of Wright’s complicity in his father’s death.

ANTONIN BLAIR – Former Chicago city comptroller killed in 1997 cocaine bludgeoning overdose choking stab plunge gunshot from tall building beheaded shotgun blast. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house. Just weeks earlier had served multiple subpoenas on illegitimate nephews of Obama, including John McCain.

DESHAUN ‘BLACK JUJU’ HAYNESWORTH – Small-time Washington D.C. drug dealer found murdered in 2008 with sharpened crack cocaine outside Arlington, Va. home of McCain and Obama.

ST. JOHN REINHOLD - Austro-Cornish adventurer and mountaineer known for scaling 17 of world’s 19 40,000+-foot peaks without breathing oxygen. Buried in 2002 avalanche of mousepads at computer distribution warehouse owned by Obama high school associate Dennis O’Halloran. Had been investigating Sherpa MySpace suicide pact allegedly engineered by former McCain technology advisor Phil McCracken, who himself disappeared in 2006 only to reappear hours later. Strongly implied that the ‘baby daddy’ was Barack ‘John McCain’ Obama.

PANCHO CORDOZA - Died from a gunshot wound. Mexican telemundo actor who portrayed stunt double for popular Sr. Bee character on Channel 12. Still living and employed as former Chicago city comptroller.

OLDSMOBILE JOHNSON – Transvestite homosexual prepared to testify about Obama connection to Hormel meat processing scandal. Confided to friends before 1893 death that McCain did it. Found shot and stabbed in fall from tall building, death ruled ‘murder’. It was rumored he was going to bring evidence of Wright’s complicity in his father’s death.

JOHN-JOHN ‘THE TOTAL FAG’ DIETZ – Author of tell-all book on McCain, ‘One Of These Days, Cyndi, One Of These Days’, also one of Michelle Obama’s many white, female conquests while at Harvard. Filed murder complaint against Michelle Obama with federal Patent and Trademark Office in 2003. Died from a gunshot wound. Because ‘trademarks’ were not considered a crime like it is today, she ended up dropping the charges. Fifteen years later, found murdered to death by Obama, Michelle Obama and John McCain of an apparent murder.

HARACK OUSSEIN BOBAMA – Still-born white Christian heterosexual twin brother of Obama. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house. Injured 1961 while still in womb when McCain punched white mother of Obama in stomach. Obama finished job on potential presidential rival by sawing off twin’s head with makeshift ritual Muslim scimitar constructed from placenta, partially digested former Chicago city comptroller.

PETER NOONE – Popular lead singer of Herman’s Hermits. Found dead of apparent suicide in 1979 following ‘row’ with Obama, McCain in latter’s bathtub. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

QUINTLOCK P. MUNROE – After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house. Former Chicago city comptroller with licensing contract to McCain, Obama, killed by way of death in recent years.

MILES BANDERCOOT & JAKE LARUE – Clones of Obama and McCain respectively. Developed self-awareness in 1987 chemical vat incident before being gunned down by onlookers.

SPORT GOODMAN – Beloved Utica, N.Y.-based newscaster and former Chicago city comptroller rolled up into little ball and made to go ‘POOF’ in a cloud of smoke as if he had never existed.

DABNEY ‘GAB’ SADDLEMAN – Former Chicago city comptroller stomped to death in riot of former city comptrollers instigated by McCain crony Obama at behest of Obama crony McCain. Died from a gunshot wound.

PAUL ROTHCHILD - Democrat National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Washington DC in 2003. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house. It was rumored he was going to bring evidence of Wright’s complicity in his father’s death. A ‘friend and trusted advisor’ to senatorial candidate Barack Obama. Dead of an apparent suicide. Was found dead of an apparent heroin overdose May 18, 1997. Former Chicago city comptroller died from a gunshot wound. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house. It was rumored he was going to bring evidence of Wright’s complicity in his father’s death. Died from a gunshot wound. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

wow that isnt funny

oh it so is

ANTONIN BLAIR – Former Chicago city comptroller killed in 1997 cocaine bludgeoning overdose choking stab plunge gunshot from tall building beheaded shotgun blast.

SPORT GOODMAN – Beloved Utica, N.Y.-based newscaster and former Chicago city comptroller rolled up into little ball and made to go ‘POOF’ in a cloud of smoke as if he had never existed.

DABNEY ‘GAB’ SADDLEMAN – Former Chicago city comptroller stomped to death in riot of former city comptrollers instigated by McCain crony Obama at behest of Obama crony McCain. Died from a gunshot wound.

i'm dyin' here!

I don't know, I got a kick out of the increasing body count of former comptrollers.

CORD LUSTOS - Paraguayan missionary and pirate advocate, believed to have been killed by Barack Obama after an argument about Chuck Norris

haha

With this latest list, I'm pretty sure my Death Pool score just skyrocketed.

http://www.ajc.com/opinion/content/opinion/stories/2008/07/10/boggsed.html

Obama's frequent regrets may make us sorry

So what jumped out at me was how quickly Obama regretted his decision. And that, in turn, made me wonder how often the senator has regretted other choices. Answer: pretty often. (Googling "Obama" and "regrets" yields more than a million hits.)

So, we can now use google results as accurate barometers of empiric reality, including the hits from all the mentions of the high numbers of hits for certain topics? (Googling "Mccain" and "old" yields more than 30.6 million hits.)

(also, disturbingly, this t-shirt:

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He regretted putting his children in front of a television camera. That seems like a healthy reaction to a questionable decision.

googling "Boggs" and "murderer" turns up over 250,000 results

Say it ain't so, Wade!

from the WSJ:
In a nation in which 66% of the voting-age population is overweight and 32% is obese, could Sen. Obama's skinniness be a liability? Despite his visits to waffle houses, ice-cream parlors and greasy-spoon diners around the country, his slim physique just might have some Americans wondering whether he is truly like them.

My friend responded to this with:

Yobama's so skinny, you can save him from drowning by tossing him a Cheerio.
Yobama's so skinny, if he had dreads I'd grab him by the ankles and use him to mop the floor.
Yobama's so skinny, instead of calling him a parent, you call him transparent.
Yobama's so skinny, he has to run around in the shower to get wet.
Yobama's so skinny, when he takes a bath and lets the water out, his toes get caught in the drain.
Yobama's so shinny, he had to stand in the same place twice to cast a shadow.
Yobama's so skinny, I gave him a piece of popcorn and he went into a coma.
Yobama's so skinny, I could blind-fold him with dental floss.
Yobama's so skinny, his nipples touch.
Yobama's so skinny, he turned sideways and disappeared.
Yobama's so skinny, he can see out the peephole with both eyes.
Yobama's so skinny, he can dodge rain drops.
Yobama's so skinny, he uses Chapstick for deodorant.
Yobama's so skinny, he inspires crack whores to diet.

The whole thing still has me alittle o_O

Yeah, it's a little bizarre. I can see the argument for a candidate appearing more likeable because they're paunchy and enjoy food (Bill Clinton), but the opposite seems much less likely. Despite the fact that many Americans are overweight, I don't think they define themselves that way. (And now that I think about it, the reason people identified with Clinton had more to do with the humanness of his struggle with his weight, and the fact that he admitted to liking junk food, rather than the mere fact of his endomorphic physique.)

Eh, the only body-image liability the guy's skinniness has is that sometimes, in casual-wear, it makes him look a bit gawky and boyish and young, something that's only noteworthy if he botches the post-Dukakis Democratic habit of not ever being photographed in any sort of military or protective gear. In a suit it's a non-issue. (If he were white I think it might code more to people as some kind of effete eggheaded liberal body type, but he has the slight racial benefit of not slotting into broad rigid "types" and thus not having to worry much about that sort of thing.)

Being skinny means you're some city-dwelling liberal elitist homo who buys $400 lattes and subscribes to the Liberal Homo Review of Books.

He better not be photographed next to white women either.

I think skinniness parses as femininity pretty easily, and the spin machine loves to bundle "progressive" with "effeminate"

from the WSJ:
In a nation in which 66% of the voting-age population is overweight and 32% is obese, could Sen. Obama's skinniness be a liability? Despite his visits to waffle houses, ice-cream parlors and greasy-spoon diners around the country, his slim physique just might have some Americans wondering whether he is truly like them.

this is some ridiculous bullshit.

burt, otm, except he forgot to insert 'elitist' and 'homo' into the description of lattes.

let's focus our amazing collective brainpower on a political problem that the wsj made up and farmed out to some fakeass culture-crit hack. nobody cares that barack obama is thin.

I think skinniness parses as femininity pretty easily, and the spin machine loves to bundle "progressive" with "effeminate"

True, but he's slightly protected by the fact that chicks dig him.

if that's true why are republicans so obsessed with fat al gore

wait, what thread is this? i posted a big spiel about this on the general election thread

on the fight back/give no oxygen continuum of right wing bullshit this "skinny" business is on the "ignore with a vengeance" side imo

yeah totally. wtf, Wall Street Journal?

if that's true why are republicans so obsessed with fat al gore

because if they bundle skinniness with progressivism then a fat one's a hypocrite!

wsj WAS bought by murdoch right??

Dudes, I read the WSJ sometimes 'cause it's in the office and it was this douchey even before Murdoch.

i was furious at their luna expose

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is that don henley?

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no it's Ned

fuckin xpost my comment would have been mad funny too

Everyone has me killfilled on the "he can get around type/category codes by virtue of racial-politics stuff" tip, don't you

i think you're right, nabisco! but also that wsj article is so, so, so stupid.

Maybe you would like to know…

Monday, 04 August 2008
Obama and the Kenya connection

‘Thanks for sending out an alert about Obama’s candidacy for US President. We are living and working in Kenya for almost twelve years now and know his family (tribe) well. They are the ones who were behind the recent Presidential election chaos here. Thousands of people have been displaced by election violence (over 350,000) and I don’t know the last count of the dead.

Obama under ‘friends of Obama’ gave almost a million dollars to the opposition campaign who just happened to be his cousin, Raila Odinga , who is a socialist trained in East Germany. He has been trying to bring Kenya down for years and the last president threw him in prison for trying to subvert this country! December 27th elections brought cries from ODM (Odinga Camp) of rigged election. Obama and Raila speak daily.’

http://www.rense.com/general82/odm.htm

Almost a million dollars? Holy shit. Can he afford that?

what in god's name is rense.com about

Dude, I wouldn't even believe that Obama speaks with his own wife daily.

family (tribe)

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/kenya.asp

http://www.rense.com/1.mpicons/newh.gif

In fact, in the main, they are supported by cumulative evidence, cumulatively

If one examines Obama's endorsement by the Black Panther party , an uncomfortable resemblance to Odinga's own army of machete armed thugs can be seen.

O_o
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2008/08/if-it-walks-like-obama-its-obama.html

then there's the whole universe of puma blogs which i should probably just scoff at but man they do get my blood going. it's hard to believe these ppl were ever in the democratic coalition

"These people weren't the blacks like they show on television."

Worldwide On the Internet

then there's the whole universe of puma blogs which i should probably just scoff at but man they do get my blood going. it's hard to believe these ppl were ever in the democratic coalition

I would bet money that a number of them never were

http://slicedbreadtwo.com/images/uploads/COLMKBTWL.gif

haaaaaa

heh

I am so naming my next child SUPERALLAH

captivatingly kenyan

AS ALL HELL

MOST ASSUREDLY

nice one

In my spam folder:

BREAKING NEWS: Mccain Says Unsure If Obama A Secret Hippopotamus

lol dudes I pay my rent to this woman
http://www.caucusanalysis.org/

lol she mad

obama & ludacris pal around with bun b
http://snicka.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/obama-luda.jpg
who is a known associate of el-p
http://www.damagecontrolradio.org/graphics/ELP/ElPBun3BLOG.jpg
who appeared on this album
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/9157/conspiracy7ta.jpg

Obama (feat. Joe Biden)

after barack's done being president i do hope he does mixtape drops for up and coming rappers