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Are burritos sandwiches?

British and American opinions please. If english is not your first language, SOD OFF because whatever you translate from your monkeyspeak to "pie" in God's Chosen Language probably means something more akin to a pirogie made out of a still-living pig's body cavity.

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:30 (nineteen years ago)

no and no. also koalas aren't bears.

― jimbo (electricsound), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

Pizza is both a pie and an open-faced sandwich. So there!

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:51 (nineteen years ago)

Pizza is not pie.
But a burrito is a kind of wrap which is a kind of sandwich

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:53 (nineteen years ago)

ok agree about the wrap thing

― jimbo (electricsound), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:54 (nineteen years ago)

Good gravy (mmm...good gravy!) are you wrongheaded. Burritos are no more sandwiches than koalas are pizza. They aren't even "a kind of a wrap" since they predate the whole concept of "a wrap." The fact of the matter is that wraps are bastardized burritos.

Now, pocket breads I can give you some leeway on.

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:56 (nineteen years ago)

ELABORATE FOOD TAXONOMY

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:57 (nineteen years ago)

They aren't even "a kind of a wrap" since they predate the whole concept of "a wrap." The fact of the matter is that wraps are bastardized burritos.

You're making the fallacy that we're categorizing things by common ancestry, as you do with living things.

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:57 (nineteen years ago)

pizza is a kind of bread

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

burritos are a life form!

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 02:59 (nineteen years ago)

or is that life style?

― Candy: tastes like chicken, if chicken was a candy. (Austin, Still), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 03:00 (nineteen years ago)

is a HOT DOG a sandwich??

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

Is pizza a pie? Of course. How else would it rhyme with 'sky'?

― Melanie Says (pretends to understand), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 03:01 (nineteen years ago)

is soup a drink?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 03:02 (nineteen years ago)

Burritos are human batteries

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 03:02 (nineteen years ago)

is soup a drink?

it can be! in fact, i drank miso soup out of a to-go cup last week as the beverage to accompany my sushi instead of tea!

― the art of pretend non-lawyering. (tehresa), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 03:04 (nineteen years ago)

Pizza is a tart.

― jennyjennyjenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

A savory tart, that is.

― jennyjennyjenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 04:10 (nineteen years ago)

Then what about Boston Cream Pie?

― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

Is a hero nothing but a sandwich?

― A-ron Hubbard (Hurting), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

mods: pls edit thread title to IZZA PIZZA PIE??

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

HAY

http://www.fromscripttodvd.com/images/Lady%20Tramp%20Re-Premiere%20smaller/Mario%20and%20Luigi%20smaller.jpg

IZZA PIZZA PIE

― vahid (vahid), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 04:28 (nineteen years ago)

is a burger a sandwich?
is a bun a slice of bread? (if it is cut in half)

― webber (webber), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 05:23 (nineteen years ago)

If it tastes good with horseradish, then it's pie. (For example: pumpkin pie.)
So yes, pizza is a pie.

― shieldforyoureyes (shieldforyoureyes), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 05:28 (nineteen years ago)

Dean Martin says pizza is a pie, and I believe him.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:12 (nineteen years ago)

Pizza is more of a tart
Calzone is a pasty
piadina is a very flat toasted sandwich
A burrito may be a wrap but there is no historical wrap in british cuisine, it's nearest analogue is some kind of stew blancmange

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:19 (nineteen years ago)

Upside down pizza is a false pie or 'stew with a hat'

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:20 (nineteen years ago)

Historical basis for taxonomies is kind of silly and shows what a bunch of namby pamby liberal arts pussies y'all are.

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:24 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, it just proves that burritos are genuinely furren.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:27 (nineteen years ago)

Pie has to have a pastry cover ergo Pizza is not Pie.

― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:32 (nineteen years ago)

a lot of cultures had flatbreads

WHY DID THEY NOT INVENT BURRITO SAMMICH

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:33 (nineteen years ago)

Is Tiramisu Trifle?

― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:33 (nineteen years ago)

yes

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:34 (nineteen years ago)

Pie has to have a pastry cover

pumpkin pie has a pasty crust but not a pastry cover

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:34 (nineteen years ago)

Therefore it is a tart.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:35 (nineteen years ago)

I think there might be a semantic UK/US difference there Jon.

Still: pastry.

― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:35 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pie

hmm, wikipedia sez pizza is pie "in name only" but pumpkin pie is pie

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:39 (nineteen years ago)

I think the pastry crust is an important step here

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:40 (nineteen years ago)

#
# The world record for eating pizza was set in 2006 when Cristian Dumitru of Romania (currently residing in Vancouver, WA.) ate his own body weight, over 200 pounds, over the course of a week. Former record holder Takeru Kobayashi disputed the new record claiming that the pizza eaten by Mr. Dumitru had a sauce-cheese ratio too low to be considered pizza. Mr. Dumitru has since issued an open "fastest man to 50 pounds" challenge that Mr. Kobayashi, of hot dog eating fame, has yet to accept.

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:41 (nineteen years ago)

Other names for Pizza

Pizza is often referred to by several other nicknames, among which are:

* "Pie". Used in context such as "You guys wanna order a Pie?" and "What do you want on your Pie?"
* "Capi" Used in Serbia, mostly by youth, with use of Šatrovački. Derived from Serbian word for pizza (pica).
* "Za". It can be used in such context as "Let's order some za" as well as many others.
* "Elastic loaf". Used in Iran as a measure to eliminate western terminology.[12]

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:42 (nineteen years ago)

pizza is characterized by vertical organization: layer, layer, layer, layer. in this respect it is related to other vertically organized foods, like lasagna, blt's, big macs, oreos and trifle.

burrito is characterized by enclosure. it is related to other enclosed foods, like calzones, knishes, samosas, top-crusted pies, twinkies and spring rolls.

both are distinct from jumbled foods, which are neither layered nor enclosed. (see: salads, stir fry, curries, chili)

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:43 (nineteen years ago)

how many dimensions can we organize food along?

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

Topologically, pizza is indistinguishable from (uncovered) pie, and closely related
to covered pie, burritos & wraps.

― shieldforyoureyes (shieldforyoureyes), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 09:04 (nineteen years ago)

In Finnish, a pie doesn't have to be covered, but on the other hand no one calls pizza a pie.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

There's no such thing as an uncovered pie. It has to be fully encased to be a pie. Of course a pizza isn't a fucking pie, I've never heard anything so ridiculous in all my life.

Dean Martin only needed something to rhyme with 'eye', incidentally. That line makes no sense in any kind of conventional English.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 09:11 (nineteen years ago)

In the interests of scientific research I've just bought a couple of mini-pizzas and a steak & kidney pie.

― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 09:14 (nineteen years ago)

This thread wouldn't have anything to do with Pete's arrival in New York, would it? I can only describe the pie debate is one of those terrible things that Brits bring with them across the Atlantic, like Kula Shaker and syphilis.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 09:55 (nineteen years ago)

pizza is not pie. am unsure if you need 360-degree pastry cover to be pie, but a pizza is categorically not a pie.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 09:57 (nineteen years ago)

There's no such thing as an uncovered pie. It has to be fully encased to be a pie. Of course a pizza isn't a fucking pie, I've never heard anything so ridiculous in all my life.

So you're saying a "pie" is an acultural, ahistorical term which is defined the same way everywhere?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:00 (nineteen years ago)

mark s (in his t-shirt) to thread.

― Koogy Bloogies (koogs), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

No he is saying british culture trumps all, rule britannia, queen victoria, pip pip, eh what?

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:01 (nineteen years ago)

So you're saying a "pie" is an acultural, ahistorical term which is defined the same way everywhere?

-- Tuomas (lixnix...), January 31st, 2007.

so you're saying that "So you're saying a "pie" is an acultural, ahistorical term which is defined the same way everywhere?

-- Tuomas (lixnix...), January 31st, 2007." is a form of words that can be understood the same way everywhere? because i can't make head nor tail of it.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:08 (nineteen years ago)

Covered or otherwise nature of pies notwithstanding, the key factor is definitely pastry. Pizza is made from bread. No such thing as a bread pie.

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:13 (nineteen years ago)

Chinese pork bun = not pie

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

URGENT AND KEY QUESTION - is a calzone a pie?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:14 (nineteen years ago)

I like the calzone = pasty suggestion upthread.

Lasagne as savoury trifle, anyone?

― God Bows to Meth (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:16 (nineteen years ago)

can you fold a pie?

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:17 (nineteen years ago)

you can fold a pukka pie

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

Calzone is a pie.

Ed - you can't fold a pukka pie.

NB I also blame Pete for this.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:34 (nineteen years ago)

I think a trifle is actually a lasagne but I see where you're coming from.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:36 (nineteen years ago)

Calzone = bread ergo not pie! I know it walks like a pie and quacks like a pie but goddamnit you've gotta draw the line somewhere.

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:37 (nineteen years ago)

Look on one occasion we did this we decided that a mummy in a sarcophagus was actually a pie so there's a long way to go before drawing that line.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

Astronaut in escape pod = also a pie.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

Calzone can't be a pie, it's not made of pastry. I thought we'd agreed that pastry was the sine qua non of pie-dom. Which is my new name, I think.

― The Sine Qua Non of Pie-Dom (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:38 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry The Sine Qua Non of Pie-Dom, you must be a newbie to this debate.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:39 (nineteen years ago)

Everything we do is a pie.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

Touche.

But I am certainly not a pie noob.

― The Sine Qua Non of Pie-Dom (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:40 (nineteen years ago)

Astronaut in escape pod = also a pie.

For a giant space mecha-godzilla maybe. But we're working within the human paradigm here.

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

rockist

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:42 (nineteen years ago)

astronaut in escape pod = pie in the sky

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:43 (nineteen years ago)

I'll set em up...

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

droid in escape pod = pie r2

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:44 (nineteen years ago)

Does this line of thought lead to the conclusion that your fist becomes a pie when you're rubbing one out?

― The Sine Qua Non of Pie-Dom (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

Droid in an escape pod attempting to play dungeons and dragons with a coin instead of a six sided dice = pie r2d2

I'm pushing it here! And I blame TOM for knowing what a d6, d12 etc actually ARE. I blame myself for taking the 'joke' further. I'm sorry.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:45 (nineteen years ago)

Does this line of thought lead to the conclusion that your fist becomes a pie when you're rubbing one out?

Unenclosed ends = sausage roll

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:46 (nineteen years ago)

My joke is too circular! i thought too hard and lost the funny!

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:47 (nineteen years ago)

what if it's a posh wank? (xpost)

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:48 (nineteen years ago)

this went downhill fast.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:49 (nineteen years ago)

incidentally what is this "bread not a pie" nonsense. Crusts! Outer casing! Obviously a pie!

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

Droid in an escape pod attempting to play dungeons and dragons with a coin instead of a six sided dice = pie r2d2
I'm pushing it here! And I blame TOM for knowing what a d6, d12 etc actually ARE. I blame myself for taking the 'joke' further. I'm sorry.

Haha, that's the worst joke ever! And I feel ashamed for getting it.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:50 (nineteen years ago)

I think the ultimate definiton of a pie is that is has to consist of at öeast two different substances. So you can't have a bread pie filled with the same bread.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:51 (nineteen years ago)

But a sandwich becomes a pie by that logic.

― The Sine Qua Non of Pie-Dom (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

I have seen calzone translated on restaurant menus as 'pizza pie'.

― a nuclear-powered carrot (braveclub), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

battered cod = fish pie? I THINK NOT

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:52 (nineteen years ago)

Can I just mention pudding at this point

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

mars bar = pie
deep fried mars bar = pie pie
best pokemon ever = pie pie pie

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:53 (nineteen years ago)

give in to it

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

Entirely depends on the pudding. Steak and kidney pudding = pie. Christmas pud = not pie. Angel Delight = oh now you're just being silly.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'm filling to settle "pie = pastry filled with something" definition rather than "pie = enclosed". So you can have an open pie as long as there is pastry.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:55 (nineteen years ago)

Saying that a crust is the same thing as the inside of a loaf is patent nonsense! Else you'd have a loaf of crust! Are you MAD?? En ymmarra!! As they say in Finnish!

PS Finland /= a pie.

xpost: a sandwich is not fully encased - see the sides! therefore not a pie! battered cod is DEFINITELY a pie. but not a "fish pie".

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:55 (nineteen years ago)

Steak & Kidney Pudding is different to Steak & Kidney Pie, so it's still a pudding.

― The Sine Qua Non of Pie-Dom (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

When will people learn that piehttp does not work?

― The Sine Qua Non of Pie-Dom (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:56 (nineteen years ago)

pie love everything (everything being a pie)

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:57 (nineteen years ago)

Btw, in Finnish slang "a lash pie" = pussy.

(x-post)

Yeah, but the crust and the inside of the loaf are the same substance! They only have a different degree of bakedness. Otherwise a raw fish surrounded by two grilled fish of the same kind would be a pie.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

Whether its called a pie or a pudding has no relevance here. I mean, Shepherd's Pie is called a pie but only people on crack think THAT's a pie.

Eww @ lash pie, by the way.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

Btw, Starry, you never told why you're studying Finnish on that other thread.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:58 (nineteen years ago)

SUSHI PIE

fantastic. I'm making it. xxpost.

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

You must have heard of the (English/US) expression "hair pie"?

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 10:59 (nineteen years ago)

i thought...oh never mind.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

are eskimos pie?

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

I was pondering Shepherd's Pie earlier. I guess the potato might arguably be a pastry substitute. But Steak & Kidney Pud is a suet pudding. If you go round calling it a pie, how are you supposed to distinguish it from a Steak & Kidney Pie made with shortcrust or flaky pastry?

― The Sine Qua Non of Pie-Dom (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

Shepherd's pie, cottage pie, fish pie... no enclosure, no pastry... oh this is woeful.

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

There's even a Finnish band called "Lash Pie" ("Ripsipiirakka").

http://media.mesta.net/mesta/musakuvat/ripsarit%20kansi.jpg

(x-post)

I haven't heard of hair pie, is it the same?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

I will ensure to inform my teacher of this awful, awful slang, and then I will get kicked out of class and will no longer have to attempt to say really long words with too many vowels. Actually that is an utter lie, I have gathered that Finnish is full of tiny short words just all piled together until everything loses all meaning.

Raw fish surrounded by two grilled fish = sushi pie.

xpost: I am learning Finnish because I am mad, obviously.
xpost AGAIN: ledge otmm
xpost AGAIN AGAIN: shep pie obviously NOT a pie

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:02 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't heard of hair pie, is it the same?

It is

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

I guess the potato might arguably be a pastry substitute.

never invite me to dinner

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:03 (nineteen years ago)

You distinguish between a steak and kidney pie and a steak and kidney pudding because one has 'pie' and one has 'pudding' in the name, it's really quite simple.

This is why English is stupid. A sea cucumber is actually a fish, not a cucumber but no one ever gets them confused in Sainsburys.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:05 (nineteen years ago)

A sea cucumber is a kind of slug, not fish.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

It's those sea zucchinis that get me.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

I think "ripsipiirakka" is a pretty mild word for pussy in Finnish, it's in the same league as "church boat" or "a spider upside down". I could teach you some lewder words, but you probably don't want to.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:06 (nineteen years ago)

I was just musing re: potato. I think I'd rather exclude Shepherd's Pie from the set of pies. Puddings might be a subset, depending as to whether that suet stuff counts as pastry or not.

― The Sine Qua Non of Pie-Dom (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

A sea cucumber is a kind of slug, not fish.

"Waiter, there's a sea cucumber in my cucumber"

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

suet stuff is pastry as it is flour+shortening+liquid

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:08 (nineteen years ago)

SPIDER UPSIDE DOWN?!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

Shepherds were poor men hence 'poor man's pie' (pastry too expensive and not enough potato to encase the mince fully).

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:09 (nineteen years ago)

beat the church boat up

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:10 (nineteen years ago)

Tuomas is going to a bad place.

I will now go to my happy place. Ah, lovely happy place.

UK office workers may be interested to note that Eat's pies this week are: beef stilton and mash (maybe not a pie, no notice of casing), chicken tarragon with vermouth (WITH VERMOUTH??) enclosed in pastry, a pie but not like we know it, and creamy salmon and spinach - possibly the worst pie of all - the pie with a flaky LID placed on top like an insult to all pies everywhere.

Vermouth!

xpost: everyone please stop talking about 'boats' :(

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:11 (nineteen years ago)

the pie with a flaky LID placed on top like an insult to all pies everywhere.

man alive yes, this is infidel's pie

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure when I did Home Economics at school we were told that a pie just had the pastry on top. Pastry underneath isn't a necessary predicate of being a pie.

― The Sine Qua Non of Pie-Dom (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

ENERGY VALUES (kcal) per pack 667
ENERGY VALUES (kj) 2801
PROTEIN (g) per pack 18.4
CARBOHYDRATE (g) per pack 50.2
FAT (g) per pack 43.7
SODIUM (mg) 840

840mg?? is that 8.4grams?? That's over my salt allowance in one meal! And I am planning on lots of soy sauce tonight! Oh, I probably can't have pie now, not at that rate... man!

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:12 (nineteen years ago)

That is a false pie and clearly you were taught home economics by a food supplier to the pub trade.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://tt.mainstreet.net/ttoutpost/Seinfeld-506-The_Lip_Reader003_0001.jpg

what is the deal with the 'mince' in mince pies?

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

School is a pie of all the children.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:13 (nineteen years ago)

I do make pies with just a suet pastry lid. But that's probably just 'cause I'm lazy.

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

xxxxpost

No, it's .84 grams.

― The Sine Qua Non of Pie-Dom (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

a lazy heretic

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:14 (nineteen years ago)

Okay then. Get ready.

Is a Crumble a Pie?

― The Sine Qua Non of Pie-Dom (noodle vague), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

Two pies it is! ~~But three pies would be a pie pie if done correctly~~ ~~STOP THE MADNESS~~

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:15 (nineteen years ago)

crumble is not a pie, it is stew with a lid

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:16 (nineteen years ago)

If english is not your first language, SOD OFF
Well I never!

― Øpprøbrium (Øystein), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:19 (nineteen years ago)

In a sense there is nothing that is not a pie.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:25 (nineteen years ago)

Anything involving putting a stew in a dish and plonking a bit of pastry on top is indeed infidel's pie. Wrong wrong wrong.

I am tempted to go to the Melton Mowbray in Holborn for GAME PIE this lunchtime. Rabbit + pheasant + wild boar + venison = NUM.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:27 (nineteen years ago)

are Moon Pies nice?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

I think the basic definition of a pie is that it's something an ordinary human being can eat. So no astronauts or robots.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:30 (nineteen years ago)

An ordinary human being could eat an astronaut if they really had to.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, let's say it's something an ordinary person could eat in an ordinary eating situation.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

humble pie, tuomas. eat that.

― the original hauntology blogging crew (Enrique), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:35 (nineteen years ago)

what is the smallest pie?

is it a Locket?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:37 (nineteen years ago)

A locket is more like bread than pie

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

Poppets?

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:38 (nineteen years ago)

inverted pie

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:39 (nineteen years ago)

Revels

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:40 (nineteen years ago)

chocolate covered ant

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

Not all the Revels, but Maltesers? Nah...

TADPOLES!

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

quiche: pie or tart?

― draining the pool for you (get bent), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:41 (nineteen years ago)

ABOMINATION

― Bhumibol Adulyadej feels sick at the mere mention of the q word (Lucretia My Ref, Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

tart

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:43 (nineteen years ago)

Chinese & japanese dumplings: real proper tiny pies with pastry 'n' everything

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:45 (nineteen years ago)

why can't a Malteser be a pie?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

I think pies have to be softer on the inside.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:47 (nineteen years ago)

... is that from "My Fair Lady"? (xpost)

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

I wasn't saying that they are not pies, just that tadpoles are better pies. I think the integrity of the chocolate (esp in summer) endangers the malteser pie status.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:48 (nineteen years ago)

I think a pie is something you can't eat all at once.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:49 (nineteen years ago)

That's a novel definition!

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah they have to be softer on the inside, otherwise you're in a frogspawn=pie situation and that is the path of madness.

Someone from ILE once told me a hugely disgusting story about frogspawn in the pub. I wish I can remember who it was.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:51 (nineteen years ago)

another classic anecdote there

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:53 (nineteen years ago)

I think you will find that the tadpoles inside the goo are softer than said goo, hence the goo PROTECTING the tiny tadpoles because it is stronger than the SOFT tadpoles!

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:55 (nineteen years ago)

it's pies within pies

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

Pies are an enigma

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think that follows - soft goo would absorb the shock, right?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:57 (nineteen years ago)

Then why couldn't the little tadpoles just absorb it? Honestly you know nothing about pies at all!

Floundering...

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

Look if I cover my body with soft padding it makes it more likely I won't hurt myself when I fall over/get bumped into by a stickleback. That doesn't make me a pie.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 11:59 (nineteen years ago)

You should test that out by getting a padded burkha.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 12:01 (nineteen years ago)

That's exactly the excuse I need, thanks!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 12:04 (nineteen years ago)

From an 1886 shepherd's pie recipe:

"Then make the crust as follows: Pare and boil the potatoes, then mash them, add the cream, the remainder of the butter, salt and pepper, beat until light. Now add flour enough to make a soft dough--about one cupful. Roll it out into a sheet, make a hole in the centre of the crust, to allow the escape of steam."

Potato pastry!!

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

Cor, can you post the full recipe please?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

and then the little old lady said, with evident satisfaction, "it's pies all the way down!"

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

[1886]
"Shepherd's pie
1 pound of cold mutton
1 pint of cold boiled potatoes
1 tablespoon of butter
1/2 cup of stock or water
Salt and pepper to taste
The crust
4 good-sized potatoes
1/4 cup cream
Salt and pepper to taste
Cut the mutton and boiled potatoes into pieces about one inch square; put them in a deep pie or baking dish, add the stock or water, salt, pepper, and half the butter cut into small bits. The make the crust as follows: Pare and boil the potatoes, then mash them, add the cream, the remainder of the butter, salt and pepper, beat until light. Now add flour enough to make a soft dough--about one cupful. Roll it out into a sheet, make a hole in the centre of the crust, to allow the escape of steam. Bake in a moderate oven one hour, serve in the same dish."
---Mrs. Rorer's Philadelphia Cook Book, Mrs. S[arah] T[yson] Rorer [Philadephia: 1886] (p. 117)

from http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodpies.html, more than you could ever possibly need to know about the history of pie.

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

pizza is a pie
taco is a sandwich

― flavio pessoa (flavio pessoa), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

an enigma wrapped in a riddle wrapped in a pastery

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

Someone from ILE once told me a hugely disgusting story about frogspawn in the pub. I wish I can remember who it was.

I think this might have been the time I was in London and Vicky and I were discussing how you might cook them.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

I let you guys down. I had a Subway sandwich instead. Turkey breast! Tasty. But not a pie in any form.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

I concur with aldo - as it's the only London FAP i've ever bothered going to and Matt DC was definitely in residence. However, I don't think 'in a pie' was an alternative considered.

― Guilty Boksen (Bro_Danielson), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

i just had cottage pie for dins. jsl

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Best consumed in gunkan sushi.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

inspired by my research above i had 1xhot wrap!

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

If english is not your first language, SOD OF

Jon hates me. :-(

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Matt DC shd not be taken as an authority on his mother tongue and its deployment! his tin ear for ~~iranian~~ pop extends into other ppl's mouths

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to self: i do think it's so cute that a new yorker says "sod off"

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

"Sod off! Sod off! So doff your cap!"

... silly song, what is it?

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

PIE!

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

Is a toasted sandwich a sandwich and a pie at the same time? Does it contain Schrödinger's cheese?

― robster (robster), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

who the fuck cares, i just EAT it.

― Nathalie (stevie nixed), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

you are what you eat

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

hey
so does this not fit into your little pie world? tell that to millions of disapppointed children and fatties around the globe

http://blog.so-net.ne.jp/_images/blog/_5a0/yubeshi/2960906.jpg

― GULLIBLE (Mandee), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

who can say? the plastic gets in the way.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

"i cannot see if this is a pie -- the crust gets in the the way"

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

damn its like impossible to find a pic of the hostess pie unsheathed... but its basically like an empanada.

― GULLIBLE (Mandee), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

a corruption of crustard

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Austin said exactly what I would have re: burritos/wrap far upthread. (how can there be so much discussion on such a limited topic.)

There's no such thing as an uncovered pie. It has to be fully encased to be a pie.

have you never had pecan pie? buttermilk pie? PUMPKIN PIE?!?!

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

tarts

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

Ed OTM.

"Buttermilk pie" sounds revolting! What IS it?

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

Sexist! (xpost)

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

i want a pirogie.

― chicago kevin (chicago kevin), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

the limits of the topic are precisely the meat of the topic

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.npr.org/kitchen/2006/buttermilk200.jpg
Buttermilk pie is fantastic! kind of custard-y.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

custard = crustard = it is enclosed QED

hostess = the plastic is the enclosure

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

pumpkin pie is topless!

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

also: "real fruit filling artificially flavoured" = it is be a pie by PUBLIC ACCLAMATION

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

that is custard tart and I claim my five pounds

― Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Topless tarts? Ooooh, I say....

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

That buttermilk pie looks suspiciously like custard tart there.

(damn, beaten to it)

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

a lie = a porkypie = a pie

never has our ground been so secure

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

don't know what custard tart is. do you have buttermilk across the pond?

also where has this "and I claim my 5 units of currency" meme come from?

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

also where has this "and I claim my 5 units of currency" meme come from?

The 1920s.

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'd say Mandee's pie doesn't fit into my definition of a pie. To me a pie is something that needs to be cut to eat it rather than something that fits into your mouth wholesale. This may be because Finnish has two words, "piiras" and "piirakka", where the former describes the sort of pie I'm thinking of, and the latter is something that fits in your hand.

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Buttermilk comes in ridiculously small pots over here, as laughed at by tracer hand.

It was a newspaper promotion in the late 19th century. The newspaper would send a guy out to a popular resort or town and print a description and name in the paper. The person to spot the newspaper stooge and utter the correct words would in a fiver.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

as laughed at by tracer hand.

there's a series in this.

To me a pie is something that needs to be cut to eat it rather than something that fits into your mouth wholesale.

mini pork pies would fit in your mouth without cutting and are undeniably pies

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

XXIII. FOR TO MAKE TARTYS IN APPLIS
Tak gode Applys and gode Spycis and Figys and reysons and Perys and wan they are wel ybrayed colourd [1] wyth Safroun wel and do yt in a cofyn and do yt forth to bake wel.

cofyn = coffin = PIE (haha without a lid = IT'S A TRAP)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

What you have hold of there is a mini pork piirakka (xp)

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Or maybe just a pork piirakka?

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

(was it really a fiver in the 1890s ed? that's a lot of money!)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

in ref coffins: "sarcophagous jelly"

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't this part of the plot of "Brighton Rock"? Or some other British film of the same period?

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

That's a lovely story, could you provide some source for it, I'd like to read more?

― Tuomas (Tuomas), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

that plot point all through brighton rock DO YOU SEE

(in the book and the film)

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

It might have started out as 10 bob

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobby_Lud

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

I thought it was! A fiver would be a hell of a lot of money in the 1890s! (xp)

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

meanwhile the pie delimitationists resort to OVERT DISTRACTION to avoid dealing with my cast-iron historical evidence

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Can I put in an early request for food science day? Pizza Tatin. Thx.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

haha madchen we came up with a GENUINELY FRIGHTENING food science project JUST LAST NIGHT

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

I do really love that everyone spied out Pete as the cause of Jon's sudden, burning taxonomic curiosity.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

We have all drunk with pete, we are just suprised that a a huge convoluted LIE about the britishers has not made its way back to us by way of one of you New Yorkers.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

We kind of talked his ears off, I don't think he had much time to spin tales.

Actually I owe Pete an apology because near the end of Monday night I realized that if he and I started talking at the same time, and I kept going, he would shut up and LET ME CUT HIM OFF. I kind of abused the privilige because it was so novel. Maybe it's a British thing.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'm amazed you got a word in edgeways.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

he was on a fact-finding mission and THAT IS THE FACT WE NEEDED -- thk you laurel

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Was it the same GENUINELY FRIGHTENING xperiment that Bopkids texted me about? I'm noting down all future Food Science Day suggestions in a GRIMOIRE.

xposts

― robster (robster), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Pete's volubility is totally our speed here.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Have none of you met me?? Starry has but she's AWOL.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

I think that's the one he means, Rob. Mmmm.

NB THERE IS EVIDENCE ON THIS THREAD THAT AN INDIVIDUAL WHO CAN SHUT PETE UP HAS BEEN LOCATED. FURTHER RESEARCH REQUIRED.

Hello Lozzer.

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Hello, Popkins.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

robster YES

erk indeed -- i hope yr grimoire has a LOCK and KEY

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Laurel - Starry is all over THIS VERY THREAD.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

I allowed you right of conversational way because, with perhaps the exception of the speculation of what Wheels from the Burger King advert is up to now* I'd heard all my stories before, whilst yours were novel and exciting to me. All the stories I made up about UK ILxors (Carsmile being robbed, Chris & Vicki having car stolen) all turned out to be true the next day, and as such I was so afeard of this new found power I decided not to abuse it.

Except when talking about the Lex.

To be fair this thread came out of ONE SENTENCE with (self-styled) lady sex-god Jon Williams and his turquoise hoodie.

*We assumed that wheelchair-bound Wheels was now morbidly obese in one of those motorised wheelchairs which he operated with a Burger King straw since he was now a quadraplegic. ANd going out with the new HIV positive member of the gang.

― Pete (Pete), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Matt: Yes, but not since I got into the office this morning -- so round about her lunch-time, I imagine.

XP: (Named "Hivvie".)

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

The story about how Wheels makes a break for it and powers his wheelchair over to McDonald's one day, just for a change, but gets there and notices that OH NOES there's a step on the doorway and he can't motor in!!! so he gives that Burger King straw another suck and powers back over to his tried-and-true handicapped-accessible savior, Le Burger King -- that was maybe the best work of the evening.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Pete is a good ambassador.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Oh good grief I had blotted Wheels out of my mind. Wasn't there one called Lingo who was so called because he was Hispanic and could therefore speak every language in the world?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

I think we can all agree that pastry is necessary but not necessarily sufficient to prove pie-dom. I don't think we're going to reach a consensus on the necessity of the enclosure property. Thus both calzone and pizza are excluded from piedom.

Anyway, are crab cakes cake?

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Hello! I have met Laurel yes and she is luvvly. I am glad she is not traumatised by exposure to Pete.

Please note I am confusing Wheels with Heelys and thus am imagining the plucky BK mascot to travel about on trainers with a wheel in the heel in a "spunky" manner!

I don't know the secret food science concept. Will someone text it to me? I can take it.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

crab cakes are not cake.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

That's good.

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Are pirogies pie? They're boiled, so I imagine them dumplings or something.

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

no pirogies are more dumpling-esque.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

also, maybe this has been established, but i think it's ok to call pizza "pizza pie" but it is not pie.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

haha "I think we can all agree"

http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/B00032H0AS.01-A3CDPEGSIQM61V._SCMZZZZZZZ_V1128057440_.jpg

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

It is never okay to say 'pizza pie'. No one in the real world says that, surely?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

matt dc has not heard it = people say it all the time in his presence

THIS IS AN IRON LAW

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

People says it in Americas all-a the time-a!

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

In my experience people more often say just "pie" rather than "pizza pie". As in "Do you want to get a pie?"

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.zero.co.nz/music/images/Martin,%20Dean%20-%20That

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

so what do they say when they want actual pie?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

It's contextual.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Matt DC otm. Not acceptable at all. In fact it is 100% impossible true fact to say "pizza pie-ah" without putting on an Italian accent so anyone who says that who is of 0 Italian extraction is a RACIALIST so TAKE THAT and have a good long look at yourselves.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Dom's silly World Cup pride post to thread

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

It's totally acceptable, y'all are wrong. Sorry!

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

I seem to recall Italian for pie being 'torta' - the ironing is delicious.

It is also 100% impossible to say "y'all" if you are not from the parts of America which say "yarrrrl" which probably makes ME a racialist so speak on dere frenz.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

that is italian for tart, italians do not really do pie

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

xxxxxpost:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/186/375608688_2af8754e59.jpg

xpost - also, I say 'y'all' as a reg. part of my vocabulary but do not pronounce any "r" with the word. (see also: all of hip hop)

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Torta can also mean cake, but.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Italians don't reallly do pie

This is only true if you accept Ed's Linnaean / rockist defn of pie.

― Tim (Tim), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

how would Eyetalians say "would you like a piece of pie?"

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Italians conceptually unaware of pie?? Proven by Ed science!

Ms Misery: you should pronounce an "r" in y'all! You would be more like a PIErate that way (DO YOU SEE)

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

ed science commits us to much we may regret

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

I have started saying/writing 'y'all' more

Merry in Lost should've sung it 'Y'all everybody'

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

saying "pie" after "pizza" is a fillip denoting a certain magnificence

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

exactly!

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Ms Misery: you should pronounce an "r" in y'all! You would be more like a PIErate that way (DO YOU SEE)

But I am not a pirate. I am a Southerner.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

what about a TORTE? seems to be a desert thing, usually chocolate... is it not PIE?

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

I've always thought of a torte as more cake-like. and yes dessert

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

If magnificence = PIZZA DEEP FRIED IN BATTER then yes.

Oh god I'm going to try that now. Possibly only within the controlled environs of Food Science Day.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

according to wikipedia, a 'torte' is s fancy cake with many layers. which proves that web 2.0 really doens't work.

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

So a kind of lasagne then?

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

i have forever wanted a burrito filled with indian food

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

no lasagne is a kind of cake (xpost)

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

And cheese is a kind of meat.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

lasagna is not a cake it's pasta.

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

If you're going to deep fry a pizza, do it the Glasgow way and fold your pizza round a burger before dipping it in the batter.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

a friend of mine in DC said there was some street vendor who did burrito-ish indian thingers with paneer and yummy things inside.

or, you could get a dosa.

― GULLIBLE (Mandee), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

so far nothing described has not been a pie

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

which is less like a burrito and more like a... crepe.

― GULLIBLE (Mandee), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

That Indian burrito thing is potentially awesome but beware the pitfalls of the dreaded curry pasties you can get here in the UK. Ugh.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

you can do this yourself, you know cutty

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

i once made a burrito full of GENERAL TSO'S CHICKEN

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

Oy, I had a chicken curry pie from the Aussie shop the other day and it was srsly lacking in fantasticness. I'm sticking to the plain meat ones now.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

i have also put sesame chicken on pizza.

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

West Cornwall Pasty Co. do fine curry-based pasties iirc.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

when you start sticking non-Mexican food in a tortilla is when it ceases to be a burrito and becomes a wrap.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

there were also beans and cheese in there

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

I tht there was some sort of melted cheese obligation which made it a burrito?

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

so nyeah

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think cheese, nor rice, nor beans are required for a burrito.

and I still say any portion of something called "general tso's" negates all other burrito-ness involved.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

there is always teh humble samosa

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

i renamed it "general santa ana's chicken"

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

Jess - yes, but you once put mashed potato between two steaks and ate it as a sandwich.

Steve - argh, West Country Pasty Company can't even do normal pasties properly. Actually its next to impossible to find a good Cornish pasty in London afaik. Big chunks of steak or nothing.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

matt that's a damn lie

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

wait, did i?

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Big chunks of steak + gristle. Vegetable ones are ok though.

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

Actually its next to impossible to find a good Cornish pasty in London afaik.

Maybe because London isn't in Cornwall?
WCPC pasties are otherwise fine tho.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

big chunks of steak encased in pastry sounds pretty sweet to me

― GULLIBLE (Mandee), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Oh gosh, what's the name of the red and gold liveried pasty place? There's one on Oxford Street right by TCR station and their pasties glow bright yellow I swear. Absolutely terrifying.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

coornish pasty is meant to have gristle in it as that is all the poor tin miners could afford. Also, savoury at one end sweet at the other, custard all through.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

mmmmmm authentic

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

you can make a burrito with indian food. although this takes into a whole new world... ROTI

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

could you put cold cuts in a burrito?

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

maybe you britishes don't do ROTI?
it's not really a wrap or a burrito

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

this of course reminds of the glory that is the hoagie pizza

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

roti = kebab roll

Can you put custard in a burito?

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

i have made burritos with cold cuts!

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

ROTI and ROLL do not jive. the roti is square.

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

steak in pastry = general wellington's beef

the worm ouroboros eats his own pasty:
Mmmm, Pies.

― mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

i do not approve of beef wellington

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Oh no, horrible stuff, reminds me of school dinners

― Tom D. (Dada), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

CHEESEBURGER PIZZA
my friend confessed to ordering the dominos cheeseburger pizza last summer. apparently the base is a mix of ketchup, mayo and mustard instead of traditional tomato sauce. NASTY.

― GULLIBLE (Mandee), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

you cant roll up a naan like a burrito :/

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

You can do it with a chapati though!

This discussion reminds me of the ice-cream and Jelly Tots pizza that I remember being on sale as a nipper. Eww.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

could you put cold cuts in a burrito?

I'm currently having cold cuts, bacon, and various veggies inside a spinach tortilla. It is a wrap.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

I'm almost positive burritos require rice and beans.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

In what crazy world is roti square?

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

our friend Wikipedia has this:

A burrito is a Mexican dish consisting of a flour tortilla usually filled with meat such as beef, chicken, or pork. In northern Mexico—the only region of Mexico in which burritos are generally found—the meat is usually the only filling, and the burrito is rolled fairly thin. In the United States, however, fillings generally include other ingredients such as rice, beans, lettuce, tomatoes, salsa, guacamole, cheese, and sour cream, and the result is considerably larger. The flour tortilla is sometimes lightly grilled or steamed, to soften it and make it more pliable.

and

It has been established in a United States court that a burrito is not a sandwich.[2] [3]
Contents

now if only the courts could spare their wisdom to other filling/bread/pastry matters.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

They let people like pete write wikipedia, QED it is all LIES.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

roti = kebab roll

And to make this a circular thread, KEBAB PIZZA.

(btw, this thread has restored my faith in ILX)

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Laurel, I think they strictly require at least one of them, but both is more common. xpost wtf

lasagna is not a cake it's pasta.

That's like saying that the Empire state building is a steel girder. Its a fucking caserole.

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.aterwynneblog.com/oregon_business_litigatio/hot_topics_in_the_courts/index.html

Also: lasagna is not a casserole, WTF?

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Mmm, kebab pizza, mmmmm

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

Sure it is! Pasta is only one of the required ingredients, and if it's not assembled and baked off together, it's not lasagna. Mac'n'cheese = also a casserole. XP

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

n cooking, a casserole (from the French for 'stew pan') is a large, deep, covered pot or dish used both in the oven and as a serving dish. In the mid-twentieth century, the word also came to be used for the food cooked and served in such a dish. These foods usually consist of vegetables and sometimes meat, pasta, or rice cooked slowly in sauce or other liquid, and may be served as a main course or a side dish.

SOUNDS LIKE LASAGNA, BUT WOPS DIDN'T USE FROG TERMINOLOGY, U SEE?

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

Is there anywhere in NYC to get kebab pizza?

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

i'm actually wondering how pastrami and refried beans would actually taste now

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

not had kebab pizza but i do like lahmacun rolled up and filled with doner meat.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

What about falafel in a pita - is that a sandwich?

― o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

Jon, use just need a gyro place and a pizza place next door to each other and you can get them to make nice.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

In what crazy world is roti square?
http://island-foods.com/images/roti_big.jpg

toronto. we have a complex relationship and obsession with the concept of the roti. however they are all square. and weigh over 22oz. yum. i prefer the true west indian (trinidadian or guyanese) roti.

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

*sigh*

powned by pasta

*hangs head in shame*

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

What about falafel in a pita - is that a sandwich?

Yes. You can tell, because on the menu it says, "Falafel platter $7 / Falafel sandwich $3".

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

I listened to Slowdive last night!

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Other uniquely british and somewhat unothodox pizza topping you may wish to try:

Chicken/Lamb Tikka
Chilli con carne
Fried chicken

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

america has been putting fried chicken on its pizza for a minute now

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

there's basically nothing we wont try to incorporate fried chicken into, cf. salads

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

Kebab pizza = standard pizza with doner kebab meat as one of the toppings. I kind of want one now. Don't you guys have all-in-one takeaway food shops that do chip-ship fried-things and pizzas and curry-things and kebabs all in the same shop meaning you can get any variety of fast food horror you want?

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

droool

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Deep fried Kebab and fish pizza with chips plus chilli, garlic and curry sauces.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

The Bay Area burrito has always seemed like a sort of handheld casserole to me.

― Stephen X (Stephen X), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

this thread makes me want to go to los feliz for a yuca's burrito (tortilla + meat + jalapenos on the side).

― draining the pool for you (get bent), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

this thread makes me want to get as fat as i was in high school

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

ENGLISH BREAKFAST PIZZA

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

one time my mother made a "pizza" for dinner that i swear was just several pounds of beef that had been cooked using "taco" seasoning and cheese

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

now let's all forget our problems with a big bowl of strawberry ice cream

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

chip-ship should be chip shop, btw, that's not a whole other world of weirdliness.

xxpost BAKED BEAN PIZZAS! Mmmmmm.

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

ewwww baked beans pizza!

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

(Oh my god I remember Heinz doing one of those! Memories flood back! Belly complaining!)

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

This thread has united ILE.

Baked bean pizza = unnatural and wrong but not as much as pineapple on pizzas.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

A casserole has a lid. If you cook your lasagne with a lid on, how will it ever go brown? Also, the empire state building is not a casserole, wtf?

― Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

No, really, they're brilliant. You lot are all mad.

xpost

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

it is a pie

xpost

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

Also lasagne ingredients pre-cooked before oven insertion.

― ledge (ledge), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

pineapple and pepperoni=a major pizza treat

also, let's agree:
EMPIRE STATE BUILDING=PIZZA
CHRYSLER BUILDING=CALZONE

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

casseroles don't always have lids

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

Although pineapple does not fall into any kind of italian pizza orthdoxy it should be allowed on the basis that the gorgonzola, walnut, pear and rucola pizza is very tasty.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

I used to love pineapple on pizza, then I was convinced it was wrong, and now I am back to thinking it is okay and people who complain about fruit in savoury foodstuffs are p1ssing up a brick wall for er, want of a nicer phrase :)

xpost I AM GOING OUT NOW but lasagne is not a stew it's a BAKE. Oh goodness knows.
xxpost: strange foreign buildings = burritos ie both incomprehensible to a britisher.

― Bhumibol Adulyadej (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

Madison Square Garden=pot pie

― Stephen X (Stephen X), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

You bastards I have wasted my entire DAY on you. And what do I get in return??? NOTHING.

― I'm ashamed of myself (Lucretia My Reflection), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

the only common toppings i will not eat on pizza are olives and bits of egg

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

pineapple on pizza is acceptable because of mince pies (real one with meat in)

1-1/4 pounds lean beef stew meat
2-3/4 pounds Granny Smith apples, cored and chopped
1/3 pound beef suet, coarsely ground
3/4 pounds dark raisins
1/2 pound dark brown sugar
1/2 cup white vinegar
1/4 cup molasses
1/2 pound currants
1/2 cup apple juice
3/4 teaspoons ground cloves
3/4 teaspoons ground nutmeg
3/4 teaspoons ground allspice
3/4 teaspoons ground cinnamon
1/2 cup bourbon or rum, divided
Place stew meat in 2-quart pot; add water to cover. Bring to boil, cover, and simmer for 1 hour or until tender. Drain and put through meat grinder or processor until coarse.

Place the ground meat and the remaining ingredients, using only 1/4 cup of the liquor, in a 4-quart pot. Stir and bring to a simmer. Cover and cook gently for 1 hour, stirring occasionally. Remove from heat and allow to cool. (Can be made several days ahead and refrigerated or frozen.)

Prepare favorite double crust for 9-inch pie. Place one-half of meat mixture into pie shell. Place remaining crust on top and seal to bottom crust. Put hole in center of top crust to allow steam to escape while baking. Repeat with remaining meat mixture or freeze for later use. Bake in preheated 375° F oven for 1 hour or until brown and bubbly. Place pie on rack. Using a funnel, pour in the remaining 1/4 cup bourbon or rum. Tilt pie back and forth to incorporate. Serve warm.

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

Fruit on pizza is unorthodox but too tasty to decry. Also refer to the Fez pizza, which = red sauce, bacon, sliced apples, red onions, gorgonzola, and a drizzle of honey.

― Laurel (Laurel), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

i have forever wanted a burrito filled with indian food

go to kati roll on lexington.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

What about whole egg? I like an egg cracked on top of a pizza. (x-p)

― Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

go to kati roll on lexington.

more info plz, can we go together?

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

egg = orthodox like icons and priest with beards

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Matt DC gets less and less OTM as the thread goes on

― UART variations (ex machina), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

In what crazy world is roti square?

i though that unless they're wrapped around a filling, they're folded up square. but maybe this is just the trini/guyanese way, as rob says?

xposts

cutty, it's on lex in the mid/upper 20s - curry hill. i'll gladly go w/ you and buy you a belated birthday roll.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

what's that thing you get in new york beginning with g?

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Pasty = hat for meat pie:

http://www.joesnyc.streetnine.com/pix/mermaid-gold-pasties.jpg

― A knife to his wife Eve and his credibility. (goodbra), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

gonorrhea

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

Don't you guys have all-in-one takeaway food shops that do chip-ship fried-things and pizzas and curry-things and kebabs all in the same shop meaning you can get any variety of fast food horror you want?

not really. bullet proof glass-fronted chinese places usually make fried chicken, french fries, and fried seafood/rib tips and some of the kfc knock-offs (kennedy, palace) will do burgers and such, but i haven't seen a direct equivalent here to the kind of place you describe (and i'm kind of happy about it).

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

the trouble with the all-in-one places is that they make me think they're jack of all trades, master of none.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

The roti I had with my methi chicken on Sunday was most definitely round.

― Mädchen (Madchen), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

b-b-but they make doner meat pizzas = they are BRILLIANT.

(xpost to Stevem, who has evidently never eaten fast food in Glasgow)

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

This thread amazes and overwhelms.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

gyro

― jennyjennyjenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

so perhaps indian/pakistani roti = round while west indian/malaysian roti = folded up square.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

there is also a kati roll just off times square, for all you tourists. (and people like me who have to traverse it en route to work.) IT'S VERY GOOD.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

not gonorrhea or gyro. it's like gnocchi but like a mushy 'pastry' thing.

ailsa i went to a chippy with ally c on new years eve 2005 but don't think they did anything beyond fish n chips + pies

i had a v good doner kebab using naan-like bread instead of pitta from an all-rounder in walthamstow but didn't try anything else they did.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

I have seen these in Detroit.

I think jess is right re: the nyc g thing.

Ned, i kind of gave up on this thread after the "a burrito must have x, y and z" madness.

― Ms Misery (MissMiseryTX), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

battered haggis supper

― Ed (dali), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

it's like gnocchi but like a mushy 'pastry' thing.

That sounds like a potato knish, but potato knish does not start with a "g."

― jennyjennyjenny (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

steve, what the hell are you talking about??

xpost - aha! knish! not gnish.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

yes, knish. dunno why i thought of 'g'.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

konorrhea

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

how about an omelette with pierogi's inside

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

errr, pierogis

― cutty (mcutt), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

fuck, im really hungry

― GULLIBLE (Mandee), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

for gonorrhea

― acid waffle house (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

An egg roll-stuffed pierogi pie burrito tart.

― Steve Guttenberg's Midnight Runner (pullapartgirl), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

dr strongo's olde tyme egg-roll stuffed pierogi pie burrito tart factory

― draining the pool for you (get bent), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

what about the "korean" burritos that have recently appeared in nyc? wrapped in lettuce, not tortillas.

― lauren (laurenp), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

dr strongo's olde tyme egg-roll stuffed pierogi pie burrito tart factory

This must happen.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

I have a recipe for pizza pie! Some years ago I compiled one of those Celebrities' Favourite Recipes cookbooks for a charity, and someone (I can't remember who, offhand) submitted Pizza Pie as their contribution. I cooked and tested all the recipes before publication, and I can confirm that Pizza Pie was extremely num. I could post the recipe if anyone wants it (if I can find it again, that is).

― C J (C J), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.foodmuseum.com/pizzagallery/images/pizzaturntable3073.jpg

― A knife to his wife Eve and his credibility. (goodbra), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://66.116.134.119/locaweb/images/discos/TheRollingStones_LetItBleedA.jpg

― draining the pool for you (get bent), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

But if a pizza *is* a pie, than surely a pizza pie would be a pie pie? (aldo cowpat back to thread, please)

― ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

This sandwich is a pie.
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y280/amysmithr/DSC00512.jpg

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9026/piehb7.png

― say it with blood diamonds (a_p), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/d/d2/Toastfucking.jpg

― UART variations (ex machina), Thursday, 1 February 2007 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

ailsa that is exactly the equation! see mark s's link upthread

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 1 February 2007 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

You are all mental, this is the One True Pie:

http://www.fhm.com.au/images/parties/pieday/fourntwenty.jpg

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 1 February 2007 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

OK I totally hadn't looked at Jon's image and now all I can think of is Powdered Toast Man fucking someone. Oh god.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 1 February 2007 11:32 (nineteen years ago)

Australians should not be trusted on pies, this is what they do to them:

http://blogs.indiewire.com/morganspurlock/archives/Adelaide-piefloater.jpg

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 1 February 2007 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

OK that pic is a bad example of the artform, but - pie floaters! Ghods own food! A tasty home made pie atop a thick layer of mushy peas, come on you can't go wrong.

― Trayce (trayce), Thursday, 1 February 2007 11:36 (nineteen years ago)

Is that Morgan Spurlock. Seeing what eating pie floaters for a month would do to his body?

― Pete (Pete), Thursday, 1 February 2007 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

That looks revolting.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 1 February 2007 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

too much mushy pea, not enough pie for my liking.

― vita susicivus (blueski), Thursday, 1 February 2007 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

pie floaters are SO adelaide.

― slackety yax (H2-H4), Thursday, 1 February 2007 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/food-japanstuffedcrust.jpg

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 1 February 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

meanwhile thsoe japanese people are going to fart like whoa

― UART variations (ex machina), Thursday, 1 February 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

wait is that a big piece of sausage wrapped through the crust?

― Mr. Que (Mr.Que), Thursday, 1 February 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Is a hot-dog pizza a pie?

― a nuclear-powered carrot (braveclub), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

SUSHI PIZZA
very common here, but possibly another weird-ass toronto thing

― Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

maybe I should make pie this evening?

― Ed (dali), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

As long as it's not a ring of sausage that's been desultorily draped with pizza dough I'm cool with whatever, Ed.

― Euai Kapaui (tracerhand), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

"Sod off! Sod off! So doff your cap!"
... silly song, what is it?

-- Tom D. (tom_donnell...), January 31st, 2007. (Dada)

The Two Ronnies. But they were pretending to be Morris Dancers, not pies.

― C J (C J), Sunday, 4 February 2007 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v694/adnaus23/chinesedonutburger.jpg

― naus de lekkerste..! (Robert T), Sunday, 4 February 2007 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

1) Australian pies beat all other pies bloody
2) nobody in Adelaide told me about pie floaters, you selfish BASTARDS

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Sunday, 4 February 2007 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

And HOW many times have you been here now, mister? yeesh! ;)

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 5 February 2007 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

Actually they do a damn good pie floater in a little cafe up in the Dandenongs too. In Olinda somewhere.

― Trayce (trayce), Monday, 5 February 2007 03:14 (nineteen years ago)

I had my first (and only, now I think about it) pie floater in a cafe somewhere near Cairns.

― C J (C J), Monday, 5 February 2007 06:33 (nineteen years ago)

A pie floater is a meal served at pie carts in Adelaide and elsewhere in South Australia. It was once more widely available in other parts of Australia but its popularity waned. It consists of the traditional Australian meat pie covered with tomato sauce (similar to ketchup), sitting, usually inverted, in a plate of thick green pea soup.
Though the dish does not look particularly appetizing, some proponents report that it is flavoursome and quite filling. Joe Cocker reportedly had a pie floater sent to his dressing room when singing in Adelaide.
In 2003, the pie floater was recognised as a South Australian Heritage Icon by the National Trust of Australia.
The most famous version of the pie floater in Australia comes from Harry's Cafe de Wheels pie cart situated in Woolloomooloo, Sydney. It has also been listed on the National Trust Register as a historic icon[1].

The Pie Floater also makes an appearance in the reality-mirroring (albeit a funhouse mirror) Discworld novel The Last Continent by Terry Pratchett, where it is sold by Fair Go Dibbler, one of a number of similar characters who sell "regional delicacies" across the Disc.

― tuesdays with maury povich (get bent), Monday, 5 February 2007 08:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nsw.nationaltrust.org.au/harryscafe3.jpg

― Ed (dali), Monday, 5 February 2007 08:08 (nineteen years ago)

some proponents report that it is flavoursome and quite filling.

― g00blar (gooblar), Monday, 5 February 2007 08:29 (nineteen years ago)

http://member.melbpc.org.au/~tjhudson/worstpub.jpg

― C J (C J), Monday, 5 February 2007 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

i wonder if the pie floater would work with jamaican beef patties. i don't see why not!

― tuesdays with maury povich (get bent), Monday, 5 February 2007 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

An experiment must be conducted.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 5 February 2007 09:23 (nineteen years ago)

i imagine a jamaican beef patty in a curry pea soup would be pretty great.

― tuesdays with maury povich (get bent), Monday, 5 February 2007 09:28 (nineteen years ago)

How many years do we have left before we shuffle off? How many things untried? And this is your experiment.

I'm still convinced that pie floaters and vegimite are just an elaborate prank.

― Fleischhutliebe! like a warm, furry meatloaf (Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows), Monday, 5 February 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

four months pass...

excuse me if this point has already been brought up. but, what if the pizza's cover like fuck with toppings? then, is it pie. (if we agree that a pie needs a top, this is).

― andi, Saturday, 16 June 2007 23:59 (eighteen years ago)

covered*

― andi, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:00 (eighteen years ago)

This is bogus. The pizza is not covered in toppings. The toppings form part of the pizza itself. Something cannot be its own cover.

― Alba, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:04 (eighteen years ago)

no, no, no.
i mean, what if it is covered to fuck, with toppings?

― andi, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:05 (eighteen years ago)

There is no limit to the number of toppings a pizza can contain.

― Alba, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:10 (eighteen years ago)

it is back! it is a pizza when when you start adding the toppings. otherwise it is just bread and tomato sauce. cheese is a topping. like the petal and the anvil are different parts of the same thing.

― Gukbe, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:12 (eighteen years ago)

PIZZA PIE

― RJG, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:18 (eighteen years ago)

that is a falsity

― Gukbe, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:20 (eighteen years ago)

i made no claim. just pondering.

― andi, Sunday, 17 June 2007 00:28 (eighteen years ago)

Happy birthday Cozen!

― Madchen, Sunday, 17 June 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

Pizza is pie. Burritos are wraps.

― billstevejim, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 00:02 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.dominos.com.au/_uploads/meat_pie.jpg

meat pie pizza. now you can have it all.

― Kiwi, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 01:26 (eighteen years ago)

ugh god

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 01:42 (eighteen years ago)

LOOK INTO THE EYE

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 01:49 (eighteen years ago)

Look into the ~~eye~~ half gobbled dogs eye

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21510044-2,00.html

― Kiwi, Tuesday, 19 June 2007 02:00 (eighteen years ago)

two years pass...

the fuck is this pizzacone crap? YOU ARE IN NY!WHY U EATIN THAT?

― carne asada, Tuesday, 23 February 2010 20:41 (fifteen years ago)

Categorical thinking has a certain limited value. This thread lays bare its soft underbelly.

― Aimless, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:30 (fifteen years ago)

everyone that think pizza isn't a pie probably went to college at SMU

― Ballistic, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:35 (fifteen years ago)

get coned
get in the cone zone
cone it up
get the cone in your dome
pop a coner

― iiiijjjj, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:37 (fifteen years ago)

enjoy a cone alone at home

― iiiijjjj, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:38 (fifteen years ago)

the pizza i made tonight is more of a galette.

― shiksa kabab (get bent), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:46 (fifteen years ago)

cone'n like a barbarian

― eau de humanity (haitch), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 03:49 (fifteen years ago)

whatcha cone do

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:21 (fifteen years ago)

"Tastes like a pizza," Victor Nelli, a TV producer, tells the Daily News. "You can totally walk with it, and you don't have the oil dripping all over you."

Get less oily pizza.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:24 (fifteen years ago)

Calzone is the street food of kings though. Why not just do that?

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:25 (fifteen years ago)

less oily pizza would be unamerican, in my experience.

― what kind of present your naked body (Upt0eleven), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:26 (fifteen years ago)

Maybe I was only eating the good stuff but the pizza I had in New York seemed perfectly designed for walking with. This is an unnecessary innovation.

― Matt DC, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:30 (fifteen years ago)

could just get a GIROS.

― The smile on my face, disguises the case, I bury the truth deep down in (ken c), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:31 (fifteen years ago)

argh. GYROS

― The smile on my face, disguises the case, I bury the truth deep down in (ken c), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:31 (fifteen years ago)

it's sad how many pizza eaters don't understand the usefulness of THE FOLD

― shiksa kabab (get bent), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:34 (fifteen years ago)

or the roll. which you can do with those really thin ones.

― The smile on my face, disguises the case, I bury the truth deep down in (ken c), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:40 (fifteen years ago)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2305/2176198679_fb7f492a02.jpg

keep the napkin and/or wax paper on the crust end to keep the grease from spilling out.

― shiksa kabab (get bent), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:41 (fifteen years ago)

Dude I'm sorry, that does not work. First of all pizza grease will go through a paper napkin like it's not even there. And wax paper serves more as a funnel than a dam. And speaking of funnels, if you fold your slice u better roll up your shirt sleeve cause there is a large chance that a streak of orange oil will be making a beeline for your elbow

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:43 (fifteen years ago)

third line of defense: the takeout bag

― shiksa kabab (get bent), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:44 (fifteen years ago)

B-b-but don't you do a napkin press on the top of the pizza to remove the bulk of the oil before the folding?

I'm possibly going to a pizzeria launch tonight and will try to avoid the thin orange line.

― barack hussein chalayan (suzy), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:50 (fifteen years ago)

or: eat the thing before it drips.

― The smile on my face, disguises the case, I bury the truth deep down in (ken c), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:50 (fifteen years ago)

4th line of defence; sit down to eat you fucking heathen.

― No, YOU'RE a disgusting savage (Scik Mouthy), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:52 (fifteen years ago)

hold pizza in front of mouth, bend forward slightly, any drips go to pavement. your shirt is safe. keep eating until pizza disappears or until size reduces to one that can support its own structual integrity. feel satisfied. carry on journey

― The smile on my face, disguises the case, I bury the truth deep down in (ken c), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:52 (fifteen years ago)

would rather be slathered in unwashable orange oil than eat something that looks like a smoker's lung: http://slice.seriouseats.com/assets_c/2010/02/20100222-k-pizzacones-pep-split-thumb-560x373-75153.jpg

― on in the b.g. while you're grouting (stevie), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:54 (fifteen years ago)

B-b-but don't you do a napkin press on the top of the pizza to remove the bulk of the oil before the folding?

I do this in extreme situations yes - sometimes it takes a good three sopping translucent napkins to really do the job

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 11:59 (fifteen years ago)

Stevie, that stuff looks as serious as cancer. Would still try one because I'd be a bad American if I didn't drool for melted cheese, and probably better than these radioactive nuggets of Satan:

http://generalmillsconvenientsolutions.com/images/totinos/totinos_footer_new_4.jpg

― barack hussein chalayan (suzy), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 12:15 (fifteen years ago)

haha yeah i love pizza rolls when i'm in the US, i guess the difference is they're too small to tear open and look at, unlike these cones...

― on in the b.g. while you're grouting (stevie), Wednesday, 24 February 2010 12:30 (fifteen years ago)

B-b-but don't you do a napkin press on the top of the pizza to remove the bulk of the oil before the folding?

The other strategy is to add so much parmesan and oregano that you turn the grease into a more viscous spice sludge

― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 24 February 2010 12:37 (fifteen years ago)

thirteen years pass...

is pizza poo

― the manwich horror (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 21:06 (two years ago)

coming soon, jello pudding isn't pudding because it isn't boiled inside an intestine

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 21:18 (two years ago)

It's not a bathroom because it doesn't have a bath in it

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 14 June 2023 21:19 (two years ago)

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