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The Master Architect (kate), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

Ooh, good title.

Maybe I should tell you about the Tarot reading I had done on New Years Eve. Or is discussing that sort of thing bad luck?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

I know I am a horrible person, but there are some people I get terrible urges to kick them repeatedly and crush their fingers with the heel of my boots to stop them from ever typing or writing a word again. I know I should not get these urges, but I do.

I used to get that, but between dealing with C*l*m, and the kid getting diagnosed w/ASD it all got burned out of my brain. Now I don't give a fuck. If anyone's that horrible, they don't deserve my attention, and don't get it, period. Most of the mail lists I'm on have a few members killfiled at my end, most of the boards I have a few people set to "ignore".

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

...or chapters of the Revelations of St. John (The Revelator). Or letters in the Hebrew Alphabet! Wwwoooooooooo! Spooky!

Is it bad luck to talk about tarot readings? Pish posh! It's bad luck to reveal wishes, but Tarot isn't like, written in the stars or anything.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

The only deck that matters.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

That better not be that Hello Kitty deck.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

It is indeed.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Now I admit I didn't expect that reaction.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

Could be worse, though.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

Ay yi yi.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

It's bad luck to reveal wishes, but Tarot isn't like, written in the stars or anything.

but keeping wishes anonymous has been commanded by The Great Old Ones themselves.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

I was waiting to see what happened when Katethread got to 22 ;-).

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

A tarot isn't a wish, it's a predictive/descriptive type thing. It would be like refusing to reveal your horrorscope. When everyone knows that reading them out loud is half the fun!

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

Ooooooooooooooooooh!

Some popping candy was handed out about half an hour ago, and all the sugar's just entered into my bloodstream! Wow! It's like cheap speed! Brilliant!

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

Urrgh, 5 minutes, later, suger come-down. Now I can't lift my arms or feel my legs.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

The last time I had some popping candy, it ended up ... well, not being eaten. I'd better not go into detail.

I will post my tarot reading details later.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

What would the reaction be to This?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

Blargh, I'm just trying to avoid starting any major projects that I'm just going to have to abandon when the rest of monthend kicks off.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

What would the reaction be to This?

Ain't nowhere near as bad as my reaction to the Cure/Korn clip that will yet surface.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 February 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

It sounds kind of pleasant-ish (I got bored after about halfway though).

From teh other thread:
vile-thinking misogynist crap like "how can you think this... what kind of MIND would you have to have to think things like this?"

I presume whatever's got your goat is more misogynistic in context?

(Kate, I bet even Ned has people on ILX that annoy him. Fight back, or learn to deal with it like most people have. It makes life a lot easier. Seriously, retreating to this thread to moan isn't going to do anything - challenge whatever you feel needs challenged if you want to do something positive.)

For the zillionth time in a couple of years, I'm unemployed again. Hurrah! Time to DO STUFF!!

(stuff = webmonging, mostly)

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

There is a time to challenge, and a time to withdraw. It's healthy enough to have a bit of a whinge when something annoys me, and then move on - much healthier than letting it fester and get bigger and bigger. Which is what happens when I don't do a whinge.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

I bet even Ned has people on ILX that annoy him

One or two...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

Heavens, deathwishgate, I forgot :-)

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:28 (eighteen years ago)

OK, I've decided I'm not going out tonight. I've already done one Social Thing today and it was very pleasant so I don't want to get oversocialised and become cranky and not go out tomorrow. Which means I don't get to see S who has flown in from LA or wherever they are living now. But considering I'm working this weekend, I should get my rest when I can.

Maybe I shall go home and READ LOADS OF LOVELY BOOKS. Or at least get a start on the backlog of hardbacks I can't take on the train. I'm reading too many books, and have too many good books in the pipeline, argh.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:40 (eighteen years ago)

Ain't nowhere near as bad as my reaction to the Cure/Korn clip that will yet surface.

Fat Boab is appearing on the Korn Unplugged too?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

Fat Bayobab. And yes he is:

"Clearly, the highlight of the evening — for both Davis and his audience — was the arrival of Robert Smith and the rest of his band, the Cure (guitarist Porl Thompson, bassist Simon Gallup and drummer Jason Cooper), for an acoustic mash-up that blended Korn's "Make Me Bad" with the Cure's "In Between Days."

"You never thought you'd see that sh--, did you?" Davis asked the audience, pointing at Smith. "This is the band that got me through high school. They were the soundtrack of my life then. So to be onstage with these legends ... I just never thought in my wildest dreams this moment would happen."

The collaboration was perfect — the two songs woven into one gloomy masterpiece. "I feel the reason as it's leaving me, no, not again," sang Davis, followed immediately by Smith's wispy response: "Make me bad." Then, it was Smith's turn, as he floated through the first two verses of "In Between Days" and shared the microphone with Davis on the chorus: "Come back, come back/ Don't walk away/ Come back, come back/ Come back today/ Come back, come back/ Why can't you see?/ Come back, come back/ Come back to me."

The song's end was met with a standing ovation, and underneath the shy Smith's long black hair, one could see a smile come across his rosy red lips. Davis, still awestruck, took a deep breath before saying, "That was some crazy sh--."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

It baffles me how so many of those nu-metal bands all rushed to say how The Cure and Depeche Mode were influences on them.
If only we had a time machine and some machine guns eh?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 February 2007 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

An enabling legitimacy. (But only the Deftones were honest about it from the start.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 February 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

**acoustic mash-up**

That phrase makes me want to break things.

Ailsa unemployed....blimey!

I am as tired as a human being could be having done the following conntinuum since 10 this morning : had a meeting with 4 chinese people/driven to cambridge/met with a prof/driven back/went to supermarket/cooked dinner/done homework with kids/discovered that the cats have killed a bird in the hall - cleaned it up/searched high & low for daughters trainers only to discover them festering muddily in her room/cleaned the trainers/had a row with son about his urgent and key need to have a bath/....now collapsed/hiding from kids in front of computer with a bottle of beer. There are cats fighting all over the house. Mrs. Dr. C is having fun at book club. For me it's a bath and early bed. Goodnight.


Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 1 February 2007 21:37 (eighteen years ago)

I'm almost permanently unemployed. I'm getting kind of used to it. It won't last - another short-lived ill-advised venture into the world of putting up with shit for money is surely just around the corner.

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 1 February 2007 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

For all the mums on this thread I present you with Super Tonio

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 1 February 2007 23:03 (eighteen years ago)

Rehearsal last night was GRATE. Now excited for tonight (if I can make it through the day).

NEW SONG.

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 2 February 2007 08:52 (eighteen years ago)

Good morning. I'm still feeling like shite, but not as bad as I was yesterday. Still not much appetite, but not so groggy as I was.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 2 February 2007 08:57 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry to hear, Ailsa.

READ LOADS OF LOVELY BOOKS

yes! I am reading The Three Musketeers at the moment! Only half way through the first chapter and D'Artagnan has already had a sword fight where his sword gets broken and he's left holding the handle! yay!

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 2 February 2007 09:16 (eighteen years ago)

morning! today i get to go to WORK yay :)

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 2 February 2007 09:30 (eighteen years ago)

Nice! Today I have to be stern with a student who cannae turn in papers on time.

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 2 February 2007 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

Beat the student with a stick.

For me....a morning slobbing,....sorry, **working** at home followed by a short trip over to Imperial to see another Prof.

I am steeling myself to go and get two new front tyres for the motor now - not cheap, but best be legal I guess.

I am so fed up with ILM that I can't even be bothered to post on the Joe Meek thread, despite being thee official numero uno Joe Meek fan.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 2 February 2007 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

Believe me emsk, the novelty soon wears off.

Gooblar, may I suggest birching. xpost

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Friday, 2 February 2007 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

Too many carrots around here, not enough sticks.

Dr C, isn't there a Joe Meek thing happening in London one of these days? (def. not reading ILM, so don't know if that's what that thread is about)

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 2 February 2007 09:45 (eighteen years ago)

cannae, g00blar? cannae?!! Burns Night was last week!

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 2 February 2007 09:47 (eighteen years ago)

Believe me emsk, the novelty soon wears off.

yes, but you don't care about gas the way i (or you, or most of the people here) care about music.

the spanish trapezist's friend stole one of my two bananas *sob*

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 2 February 2007 09:48 (eighteen years ago)

the spanish trapezist's friend stole one of my two bananas

I think there's a fair chance that no-one has ever written or uttered that sentence before.

The Vintner's Lipogram (OleM), Friday, 2 February 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

Beat the student with a stick.

Gooblar, may I suggest birching. xpost

One track mind, you people.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 2 February 2007 10:01 (eighteen years ago)

Morning! I am still tired, despite reading for a few hours and going to bed early last night. Bah. This weekend shall exhaust me, I think. I am reading three books at the moment, and getting slightly confused.

Students HAVE to learn how to turn papers in on time, if you learn one lesson in college, this is the one to learn. I used to be terrible at deadlines (and still am) but had to have their importance beaten into me.

However, sternness and beating is the most effective thing. Reducing grades for tardiness has no effect - they used to reduce grades for each day they were late at my school. However, I soon realised that turning in an A paper a few weeks late, you got an F - the same grade as if you didn't turn it in at all. Not really an incentive.

Then I got threatened with not getting out of the Ninth grade if I didn't turn in the requisite paper. In the end, I wrote it over the summer, then translated it into runic script and turned it in like that. Not my fault my English teacher couldn't understand it. Hah!

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 10:29 (eighteen years ago)

Is google broken for anyone else? Keeps timing out on me, and the rest of the interweb is fine.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Friday, 2 February 2007 10:31 (eighteen years ago)

Seems fine.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 2 February 2007 10:39 (eighteen years ago)

Working all right for me.

Morning folks. Thanks for sympathy, MarkH, but I'm pleased at the moment - it's just temp hell at the moment and I don't get assignments like Emsk's, just answering phones and typing letters and making cups of tea for morons who chat to me, find out what I'm qualified to do, what I used to do, make sympathetic noises about how hard it is to find a job and what a shame I'm working well below what I'm capable of, then go back to sticking post-it notes on letters to summarise the content for me in case, y'know, I find reading a bit tricky.

However, application posted this morning for what seems like the perfect job. Fingers crossed!

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 February 2007 10:40 (eighteen years ago)

OMG! Student *just* sent me his paper--an hour before we're due to meet. He was supposed to send it in on wednesday. Not acceptable.

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 2 February 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

Also, yay, better and more relevant temping job has just presented itself to me to start on Monday. Hurrah!

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

That was quick!

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:09 (eighteen years ago)

I phoned my nice local reliable agency and said "help I need a job" and they said "wow, you just phoned at exactly the right time, here is a nice job in a relevant sector five minutes down the road, can you start on Monday".

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:11 (eighteen years ago)

I'm going to buy one of these so I can turn all off my various living room electronics off standby

http://www.domia.eu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=54&Itemid=74

Ed (dali), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

Gooblar, is there a cheapie flyer for tonight?

And what should I eat for dinner beforehand? I had Tai Cult Food yesterday so I'm not sure I should eat it two days in a row, or I may start chanting and doing Kung Fu Monk moves or something.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

Tai cult food also seems to promote gas. Try me later in the day I may be interested in getting food, I may be interested in napping. (There's a vietnamese noodle soup place on st john st that looks cheap and good and could be worth a go)

Ed (dali), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:23 (eighteen years ago)

Also, to keep it off the Poptimism thread...

Plus Fours, Breeches, Shorts!

http://www.mda.org.uk/costume/vbtm_132.gif

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:24 (eighteen years ago)

x-post gooblar

the Nick Moran play 'Telstar' is going to be back on in the west end this year I think. Is that what you're thinking of?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:24 (eighteen years ago)

(just finished "being stern"--he's been ill, he says)

I thought there was some sort of Meeky tribute night at the Barbican(?) I saw advertised in the Graun guide a week or two ago.

K8, if you can print out the flyer on the G00blar thread, it should get you a quid off.

Whoa, nice turn of events, Ailsa!

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

Also: the student brought me cake. Hrmph.

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:50 (eighteen years ago)

throw it in the bin in front of them and say "I don't take bribes!"

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

(But make sure that the bin is freshly scrubbed and clean enough to eat off so you can retrieve and eat later.)

Actually, no, bribery is a valuable skill to learn. Deadlines are always affected by the gravity of cake.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:52 (eighteen years ago)

I just got a pay rise!
I just got a pay rise!
La la la la - oi!
La la al al - oi!

Get in!

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

Not the sack as feared then?

Ed (dali), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

Hurrah for payrises. I'm still giggling at DateAHotScot.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 11:58 (eighteen years ago)

Didn't see the Meek tribute night - prob just as well, tribute nights are always dodgy.

Good news on job Ailsa - hope it turns out to be bearable and OK.

Note to tyre fitters of the world - when you give me a quote INCLUDE THE FUCKING VAT! Don't casually mention it at the end, when the tyres are on - maybe I wouldn't have put the top-of-the-range bloody Michelins on if I'd have known the damage. My fault I guess, but....

Note to those with a long memory - I am not breaking a new years resolution on the 'what do you look like' thread. But I still haven't had a good explanation for WHY CIGARETTES ARE IN TEH HOUSE!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:02 (eighteen years ago)

start accusing the kids.

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

nah...not them. So far 'must be an old packet from last year' is the best that the most likely culprit can come up with. But she will crack....

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:10 (eighteen years ago)

drinks are on Johnney then!

Star, 5.00?

(if only to make up for yr NON APPEARANCE LAST WEEK, grrr!)

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:12 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe at some point today I should actually do some work.

But I still haven't decided which Hott Scot to vote for!

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:30 (eighteen years ago)

That's a good point well made, I'll pop down for a couple, can't stay out too long mind, I promised my housemates I'd be around.

Kate, don't let the kilts fool you; from where I'm standing half of them are bone fide eight-pinters.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

Speaking as a nine-pinter myself *sob.....*

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

Johnney, I now have visions of yr housemates standing around the kitchen looking distraught, shedding floods of tears on the linoleum, rending their clothes and wailing "If only Johnney were here!"

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

"Johnny's so long at the fair"

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, I think this is a traditional folk song, "Johnney So Long At The Fair"

Alas my poor Long Jonney with the knobbly knees
He went out in a kilt and was scuppered by a stiff breeze

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

"scuppered"

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

I like it when folk songs are filthy. A good folk song should either be filthy or murderous. Kind of like gangsta rap. Gangsta Folk. Oh yes. Drive by Viking raids and all that.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

Geesh that other paris hilton being racist video that's been posted on that thread is even WORSE than the other one. Have you seen it?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

I have no interest in that woman, so I'd be unlikely to watch it, even if I was able to watch videos.

I just had the last of the curried neeps and tatties for lunch, num!

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

Some people be racist NON-SHOCKAH!

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

By which I mean, yeah, Paris Hilton is an ignorant cow with no grounding whatsoever in reality AFAIK, but so are lots of other people (some participants in a couple of recent reality shows, for example) and it doesn't get people's knickers in a knot the way it should.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

These are apparently the best:

http://www.musto.co.uk/images/products/detail/1376311550.jpg

Ed (dali), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

Those look awesome, actually.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:48 (eighteen years ago)

£159 though

Ed (dali), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

Ouch. Depends how much use they get, I suppose. It's pointless spending £159 on something you will wear twice a year, but if you wear them every weekend, then that's worth it.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

There are much cheaper ones, those are teflon coated, breathable lined etc.

Ed (dali), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

Also, what are you going to wear them for? Hunting and camping and beating a path across the moors through the bracken? Or just sitting around the pub talking about such activities?

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

If I am taking kids walking this summer I definitely want Breeks.

Ed (dali), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

You want trousers that are child proof as well as grouse proof, then!

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

http://a4.vox.com/6a00c2251d275b8e1d00c2251d83cc8e1d-320pi

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 2 February 2007 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

By which I mean, yeah, Paris Hilton is an ignorant cow with no grounding whatsoever in reality AFAIK, but so are lots of other people (some participants in a couple of recent reality shows, for example) and it doesn't get people's knickers in a knot the way it should.

Are a these different reality shows from the ones that have been on the front page of all the papers for a fortnight now?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

Gah, I phrased that all wrong. I mean to lump the reality show people in with Paris, and make "people in the public eye who are racists" a different category from "yer racist man in the street". But I was being distracted.

(sorry Kate, but if people bring racism discussions into your thread, I can't not touch upon the TV show you hate which has brought this to prominence v recently)

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

There have been about half a dozen other threads for discussing this subject. Why don't you take that discussion over there?

This is what winds me up, specifically, about BB - the way it infects everything. There are already threads about this! There is already a thread about Paris Hilton's racism. Go discuss it there!

And leave us to our discussion of tweed breeks.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

(sorry Kate, but if people bring racism discussions into your thread, I can't not touch upon the TV show you hate which has brought this to prominence v recently)

Hey, it's cool, Kate thinks eating Tai Cult food makes you go all choppy socky.

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

For fucks sake... they *are* actually run by a cult, and several times I've been in there have witnessed conversations of people being asked to come to their "martial arts nights". For once, this is not a racist stereotype, but description of the actual place and their purpose.

But you know, draw your own conclusions and all.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:09 (eighteen years ago)

Why don't you start a thread about tweed breeks and let people moan about their work and shit! Also, why don't you tell Kerr to fuck off when he starts posting links to other threads or asking people on here what they think about stuff? I'm getting seriously confused now as to what can be kept in here and what has to go elsewhere without having a map of the way Kate-Brane works.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

I had a cup of tea in the scientology place and I didn't end up making Battlefield Earth.

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

Did they 'test your stress'?

Ed (dali), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sure I am a racist. I'm sure I've got lots of possibly racist preconceptions, including some I'm not even aware about it. I'm also sure that almost everybody in this world, regardless of their own race or culture, probably has different possibly racist preconceptions. So I'm not going to go around handwringing or hypocritically finger-pointing at other people. All I can do is try not to let these engrained preconceptions affect my treatment of other people. And I hate *ALL* people equally, I'm an equal opportunity misanthrope.

If you went and had a cup of tea in a Scientologist place on a regular basis, I'd be disappointed if someone DIDN'T make a crack about Battlefield Earth or space aliens or something.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

Ailsa wants me to fuck off when i post links to other threads?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

I came to them at just the right time* etc etc

*they were right of course, about a free cup of tea and a stupid test's worth of time before I caught the express to Heathrow :)

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

Ailsa wants me to fuck off when i post links to other threads?

No, Kate wants ailsa to fuck off because she responded to you mentioning other threads. Kate often mentions other threads here, as do most posters. It's only a problem if ailsa's involved, apparently.

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks G. Yes, Kerr, where did I say I wanted to you fuck off? Oh, that's right, I didn't.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

I don't much fancy eating or drinking in any cult-run place. a kvlt-rvn place would be cool maybe.

perhaps the difference w/la hilton is that she's all over the covers of celebrity mags etc, being presented as a cool individual, fanciable, aspirable to etc, I dunno.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:24 (eighteen years ago)

I don't see Kate telling anyone to "fuck off" either.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

There have been about half a dozen other threads for discussing this subject. Why don't you take that discussion over there?

This is what winds me up, specifically, about BB - the way it infects everything. There are already threads about this! There is already a thread about Paris Hilton's racism. Go discuss it there!

And leave us to our discussion of tweed breeks.

-- I Am Totally Radioactive! (masonicboo...) (webmail), February 2nd, 2007 2:05 PM. (kate) (later) (link)

That reads "fuck off" to me.

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

What about a *The* Cult run place? Billy Duffy and Ian Astbury making you sandwiches and that? I'd go for that, as a crappy ex-goff.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

Ailsa, the whole point of these threads was that BIG BROTHER and FOOTBALL specifically were banned, so that people (namely ME) could talk about other stuff that was getting lost in the mix.

These 'Cooler threads are the victim of their own success in a way, that people who stumbled into them don't know well enough what to leave alone.

This is not a democracy. If you don't like that, go start a "try Glasgow more" thread of your own.

I do not like sport. I do not like conversation about sport, of any nature. I especially do not like the way that people use it as shorthand for lack of conversation about other things. If you're really REALLY into football or rugby or cricket, and you're an avid follower, go to the multitude of in-depth threads about those topics.

If there are several other several-hundred post long threads on something else already, probably this is not the place to retread the argument. It's one thing to go "huh, do I ever want to know what that thread is about?" but another to open up the discussion all over again in a different place.

Generally, I don't like competitions or leagues or contests. This is a whole nother thread in and of itself, that we've done before. I'm going to get more cross more quickly about something related to a sport or contest than I am about other things.

I often DO start other threads about topics that take over the Cooler. But at the end of the day, this is MY living room. If you don't like it, go make your own. I tell ANYONE to fuck off if they repeatedly bring up stuff I don't enjoy the discussion of on my thread.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

She didn't tell you to "go discuss it there!" when you brought it up, she told ailsa to there when she responded to you.

cap'n save a honimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

xpostssss

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

Let's just remember how Ailsa started the discussion on Paris Hilton:

Geesh that other paris hilton being racist video that's been posted on that thread is even WORSE than the other one. Have you seen it?
-- Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (pfunkbo...), February 2nd, 2007. (Kerr) (later)

Hrm. Might have to look at that one again in slo-mo to catch it.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

Guys, guys! Let's not fight! Let us unite against the common enemy!

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

I have no interest in that woman, so I'd be unlikely to watch it, even if I was able to watch videos.

is as much a "take it outside" as any other post.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

Because a banned tv prog was mentioned!

Anyway this is getting silly.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

ENOUGH PARIS HILTON ON MY THREAD!!!!

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

Where's the sensible people like Mitya an FP today?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.brianholdenltd.co.uk/images/breeks_derby_tweed.jpg

x1000

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

(I have no idea where the other half of that rambler went. Perhaps they went at speed through a piano-wire trap set by hunt sabs.)

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

Also, there is a huge difference between "perhaps you could take your conversation over there" and "FUCK OFF WITH ALL THE PARIS FUCKING HILTON AND BIG FUCKING BROTHER TALK ON THIS THREAD!!!"

The difference is that the former is polite and has no mal-intention or nastiness implied from this end at all. The latter is not polite and will be resorted to if people carry on yapping on, especially with added extra calling me a fascist and/or accusing me of telling people to fuck off when I haven't actually even said it yet, unless pushed.

GRRRRRRR, NOW I'M IN A BIG PISSED OFF MOOD AND I HAVEN'T EVEN HAD ANY CARROT CAKE.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

This is not a democracy. If you don't like that, go start a "try Glasgow more" thread of your own.

b-but I don't want to talk to Glasgow folks all the time! I like talking about shit with Emsk and Dr C and Andrew and other too. This is not your blog, Kate, it's a public message board.

KERR (not me) brought up Paris Hilton's racism. I realise you have no interest in it yourself, but I thought it would still be OK to address it in passing. I did so with reference to some other public figures who've been doing the same. I took care not to mention the programme by name, and apologised for having to reference it. I've made my views quite clear on the issues regarding the PERSONALITIES ON THE SHOW WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT on the relevant thread too.

But you wouldn't know that, not having read them because an interesting discussion on public perceptions of racism was sullied because of where the outcry stemmed from.

Still, my opinion is worthless, since I like sports which is secret code for I AM A MORON.

xpost, oops.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

I'm so bored with having this conversation with you, Ailsa, that I'm just going to cut it and paste it from now on.

Since I'm already fucked off and in a shitty mood now, I'm going to go and get a carrot cake as it can't possibly make things any worse.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

*teacher raps knuckles on desk*

Someone tell me about the fog in Bleak House, quick!

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

Can we talk about stuff while you go and get your carrot cake?

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

I'm going to the pub. Hopefully my attempts at conversation there won't end with people sticking their fingers in their ears and going "lalala, can't hear you".

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

Bye folx, I'm going home to 'recharge' before soundcheck.

Good weekends, all around! I'll see some people tonight at gig/poptimism!

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/aldo_cowpat/untitled2.jpg

xpost :P

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

(img copyright aldo_cowpat)

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

I am thinking about a New River walk. My mum is seeking out some leaflets at her local library. I plan to meet her for lunch next Saturday, so hopefully she'll have the gen for me then.


there are prolly several potential New River walks as it starts in Islington iirc and goes way up into Hertfordshire.

('goes' not 'flows' appropriate here as its actually v old canal, innit?)

i know this prolly belongs on the rolling London walking thread but I thought I would refrain from mentioning it there til I had some hard facts.

Enjoy Poptimism guys. Hope the gig goes well, g00blar!

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

Morning. Bagels are fine things.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, there are several different bits of the New River that are walkable, even within London. It's not a canal technically but a resevoir! Well, aquaduct? I can't remember the actual term.

It starts in Herts and flows down to Islington to provide fresh water for the err... 17th? Century London. Bits of it are still overground, but most of it is piped in terribly old pipes.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

I am curious now about the cult that operates out of this Thai restaurant. What kind of cult are they?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Ed? You were the one that told me the details.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

I never did, I'm sure.

Ed (dali), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

hi dere.
looks, i'm all unlocked and posting on ur ILE!
this is in anticipation of L O S T returning, really, but today i'm all up in yr 'cooler, saying my hellos.

teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

WALK AMONG US

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe it was Suzy. Then again, knowing Suzy, maybe I've fallen prey to some urban myth and believed it for years? That the TAI veggie buffets (it's a chain, not all Thai Buffets) in London are run by this organisation that was kicked out due to political reasons.

If this is an urban myth, I'm going to be very cross at having believed it. But the one on Leather Lane, I have been given leaflets and things about going to their nights.

x-post BLIMEY, TEH KIT!!! Hurrah and welcome back.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

For fucks sake... they *are* actually run by a cult, and several times I've been in there have witnessed conversations of people being asked to come to their "martial arts nights". For once, this is not a racist stereotype, but description of the actual place and their purpose.

Doesn't look like a myth, given that you were there.

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe it's a rural myth

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

There should be more rural myths.

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe it's a perfectly innocent and non-cult martial-arts practising restaurant chain.

I rather liked the idea of my meals being prepared by vaguely sinister martial arts monks. Because I spent so much of my youth eating very boring plain food prepared by non-martial arts practising but still vaguely sinister monks while my mum went on retreats and things.

(Or is it racist and possibly anti-Christian to say that? I just want to know who I'm offending.)

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

x-post Leather Lane hasn't been rural since the 12 Century!

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

Cow tipping's so passé.

xp

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, if it was Pete that told me, I would *know* it was a lie. But Suzy can be reliable. However, maybe 1) Suzy really hates the buffet on Leather Lane even though I like eating there and 2) they do often give out flyers for and canvass people to go to their nights - she made up a myth that there was a sinister cult of political monks behind it.

Because, knowing my background, she knows how susceptible I am to anything involving sinister monks.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

Google has nowt, which is the opposite of what you might expect for something that's either an urban myth or true, given the type of story behind it.

In fact, googling for tai cult food only brings up ILX posts by Kaet.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

TAI buffet brings up lots of googlehits:

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=TAI+buffet&btnG=Google+Search&meta=

...and I've found out why the one on Euston Rd suddenly went so shit all of a sudden (the management was replaced with a meat-eater) but so far nothing on this cult story.

Now I'm really intrigued!

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

There's your weird and sinister cult right there (xp)

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

There's a few Sinister cults post here :)

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

That's cuLts!

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

This is almost making me want to go down there this evening and see if I can pick up a flyer to prove or disprove this theory. I cannot be the only person who has heard this.

But it also shows how preconceptions affect perceptions.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

Preconceptions? You mean you think all Thais are secretly cultists?

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

No, my preconception was that someone told me the restaurant was a front for a cult.

Which may have put the idea in my head that every time I went in there and heard people talking about Tai Chi or whatever, that it was somehow related to the cult that ran the restaurant - when it could just as easily been because people who are interested in a culture would eat the food associated with it as well.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

Nykelharpa, WOW:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_b0S4IQeLI

I want one!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

the person who put that clip up (who, bizarrely, appears to be jonas almqvist from he leather nun) has a bunch of similar clips up.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

me too and I can't even hear it. sort of hybrid violin hurdy gurdy, no?

Ed (dali), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

To take the loaded race-card out of this, I mean, imagine that you worked, like I do, across the road from the Freemasons Hall.

If you go into that situation knowing that lots of the people going into and coming out of that building are Freemasons, especially if they are all dressed alike in black suits and carrying briefcases, that is going to colour your perceptions of the place.

Other people work in the same building as me, and didn't have a clue that it was the Freemasons Hall. Their perceptions of seeing groups of men in black suits are not going to be the same as mine, because I have the preconception that there are bound to be loads of Freemasons in the area.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

*They* think they are just a bunch of old men who work together or go golfing or whatever. When *I* know that they secretly run the world.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

The Tai buffet by Goodge Street gave me food poisoning last year. Not fun. But that really says nothing about the existence or lack thereof of a cult. I just don't eat there anymore.

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

That's exactly what they want!

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

Where's the sensible people like Mitya an FP today?

I've just spent most of the afternoon crawling round underneath desks plugging and unplugging cables, because a couple of offices decided they all wanted to move around and weren't competant to move their PCs. I'm knackered now. Crawling around on my hands and knees does not suit.

The New River ends near Angel, at the big Thames Water building.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

Who is the patron saint of email?

St. Francis of a cc.

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

I just sent that to the Scottish LOLmaster of our department (who has the best puns ever) and she did actually laugh, out loud.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Who is the patron saint of email?

St. Francis of a cc.

-- New Mark H (mark.hester@so

Excellent 10/10

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

I have just sent it to my mum. She will either forward it round to her entire congregation, or else write back going "huh? what's a CC?"

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

A+++ would hear joke again

teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

It's strange that CC is a hard copy term that is more used in the electronic world than in the paper one.

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

sorry, been eBaying for work ALL WEEK.

teh_kit (g-kit), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

Is there such a thing as a BCC in the hard copy world?

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

yes

Blind Carbon Copy, same purpose.

Ed (dali), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

It was also used, though rarely and with more difficulty in preparation, in typewritten correspondence by ensuring BCC and the names did not appear on the top copy (the original); the most discreet (though troublesome) method was to roll the copies through the typewriter again without the top copy, and type the BCC information onto the otherwise-completed copies. An alternate way is to switch the ribbon setting to strike the paper without raising the ribbon over the area being struck; this, however, leaves impressions in the surface of the paper.

onimo (onimo), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

planxty on the late late show, I dunno, early '70's by the look of it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Z3A5Tgy47M

So incredibly GOOD it almost makes me sick!

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

I think I talked about this on my (sadly unpopular) Folk Hibernia thread on ILM

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

Do you have a link? I'd switch sides, so to speak, for that.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

I must have missed that thread. I have a few of Planxty's albums stashed away somewhere, never seen that before though.

there seems to be a lot of clips of folk instruments on youtube, I never thought of looking for any of that before! No Waldzither, but just about everything else has brought up something.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

It just a wee bit of blether about the "Folk Hibernia" prog., there were good clips of Planxty in it (prog not thread)

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

Awww people, I go off for the afternoon to meet HOTT Lady Dame Prof and look what happens...

Without fanning the flames I shall just say this.... I have only mentioned banned topics in passing (i.e I'm playing *rugby* this weekend, or I broke a rib playing rugby and it hurts and be nice to meee o people of the watercooler). Now... if I wanted to discuss the selection of the Wales team for the Ireland match or the tactical options for the game I wouldn't mention it here of course.

Whatever you say kate, I shall not make any effort to censor my posts for kate-compatibility. Nor shall I fuck off, unless I want to.

And....I think you're being bloody unfair to Ailsa, who is no worse an offender than anyone else. (she deserves an all-time free pass to post whatever she wants wherever she wants anyway after posting her tale of Dermot O'Leary and the pie-stand)

I saw Anne-Marie Duff in South Kensington this afternoon, so ner.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

If my rules are so unfair and so draconian, then why have these threads gone on so successfully for over 20,000 posts?

If you don't like the rules, irrational as they may seem to you, you can go elsewhere. Yes, this is a public messageboard, but this is MY thread. I have created the atmosphere here, love it or hate it. And people getting their knickers in a twist over it - when there are thousands of other threads where you can talk about "banned topics" - ruins that atmosphere far more than anything I've ever done.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, this guy is good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOP59Oy7k6w

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

I wish I could watch YouTube. :-(

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

No, this has stirred it all up again, and I'm annoyed.

It's not a fucking mystery. There's no "ooh, locate the mindmap of Kate's head" or anything. It's very simple. If I say something like "maybe you could start another thread about this" stop taking it as "I HATE AILSA SHE IS SO STUPID COZ SHE HATES SPORT" and take it was "That's an interesting topic, it deserves its own thread."

This is why there's such a "HUUUUUGE" problem between Ailsa and I - not because I shout at her any more than anyone else on this thread shouts at each other. But because she seems to be the only person who takes it as this huge offensive personal insult if I say that Football or Racism In Big Brother or The ILX Pool Championship either have their own threads already or deserve their own threads.

And now this thread has gone to shit again and being about "Kate and Ailsa: FITE!" instead of being about teapots and new rivers and Thai Freemasons or what the fuck ever is fun to talk about on a Friday afternoon.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

Now here are some goddamn motherfucking novelty teapots to cheer me up:

http://www.britishnoveltyteapot.com/img/novelty%20teapot%20entry%20best%20a.jpg

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

x-post They've gone on for 20,000 posts because we're all wasters.

I didn't say your rules were unfair or draconian, they are what they are... I'm just clarifying the fact that I understand and respect the ethos of the watercooler, but despite this will inevitably break the rules. As will most people here from time to time, especially when they're talking to each other about stuff that may not interest you. You can either stomp on peoples' heads every single time, which is ugly and pointless, or why not just let it go? Is it really such a big deal? It's still your thread, with you centre-stage, which is what you want, right?

Enough said...have a good weekend.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

I don't stomp on people's heads every single time. But when someone repeatedly ignores requests, yes, I shout at them. And if someone continues flogging a dead horse on my thread, then I will have the last fucking word. It's the only place on ILX where I get to do that.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

And here's some goddamn teapot jewellery:

http://www.studiobaboo.com/teapot.jpg

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

And here is a cake in the shape of a teapot:

http://www.premier-pastry.com/wedding_cake_pages/Teapot%20Cake.gif

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

And here is a proverbial tempest in a proverbial motherfucking teapot:

http://www.siliconvalleywatcher.com/mt/archives/Teapot-Tempest.jpg

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

some mp3s of cittern recordings:

http://www.cittern.theaterofmusic.com/audio/index.html

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

We built this cittern

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

Find me a teapot in the shape of a cittern, please.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:40 (eighteen years ago)

"Cittern on the Dock of the Bay" etc

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:41 (eighteen years ago)

"cittern on ye docke of thee baye" surely.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.grothmusic.com/online-store/scstore/graphics/violinteapot.jpg

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)

Ed! Awake? Anything happening for supper? Argh. I am sick of wandering around Clerkenwell looking for a place to eat. I seem to be doing an awful lot of it lately. And I don't fancy cultfood again.

I Am Totally Radioactive! (kate), Friday, 2 February 2007 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

This is why there's such a "HUUUUUGE" problem between Ailsa and I - not because I shout at her any more than anyone else on this thread shouts at each other. But because she seems to be the only person who takes it as this huge offensive personal insult if I say that Football or Racism In Big Brother or The ILX Pool Championship either have their own threads already or deserve their own threads.

No, Kate, other people think it's shit too. You shout at me because I'm more explicit about it. The subtlety of other people's slagging you off seems to pass you by, but it's there. I don't know why you don't shout at them - maybe you don't recognise it. But it's there. Probably in every single thread. I, believe it or not, do not have a problem with you yourself. Remember, a while back, I met you. We exchanged phone numbers. I said I'd like to meet you for a pint and a chat and whatever. That still stands - you are intelligent, smart, like some of the same music as me, I admire your determination, we share some friends, whatever, blah blah. What I *do* have a problem is with you setting up this thread as a sort of chat environment then patrolling with a big stick and rapping knuckles whenever its inhabitants stray outwith whatever you ordain to be acceptable. As has been noted, other people (sometimes ones that aren't me!) reference stuff you don't like. People discuss things you don't like. And, on occasion, people sometimes have problems with the way you deal with things that arise from one single problem you seem to have, namely - and I think you need to hear this - THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOU. You need to learn how to deal with this.

And if you want a bit of the world to revolve around you, perhaps you might want to find a private bit of it to do just that. I like the ethos of this thread. I said that. I like bantering about the minutaie of life with Emsk and Andrew and Dr C and FP and Markelby and whatever. Also with you! But I do not like people going "FUCK OFF THIS IS ALL ABOUT ME - ME ME ME ME ME!!!! YOU'RE BORING ME, LALALALA". I suspect this thread may well have more people on it if it didn't have that atmosphere because it is a fucking great thread idea in principle.

(ignore the fact that the TITTWIS threads started like that too adn died off because people thought they were too cliquey....oh the ironing, etc)

OK. I am pissed. I may regret saying this. Whatever. I don't regret thinking it.

ailsa (ailsa), Friday, 2 February 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, my return seems to have been very ill-timed.
Everybody already knows how I feel about this, so I'm staying well away. Again.

teh_kit (g-kit), Saturday, 3 February 2007 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

Hi Kit! Does anyone else watch the Golden Girls every weekend morning?

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Saturday, 3 February 2007 10:45 (eighteen years ago)

I'm @ werk :(

teh_kit (g-kit), Saturday, 3 February 2007 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

me too ;_;

Pashmina (Pashmina), Saturday, 3 February 2007 12:01 (eighteen years ago)

the driver of a 253 bus, numberplate lj03 mua, just tried to kill me making the turn from amhurst road into lower clapton road at 12.25. hi, bus driver! you're gonna get in trouble! i hope all your family and friends get run over and killed by bus drivers as dickish as you today!

emsk ( emsk), Saturday, 3 February 2007 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

Christ it's beautiful out today.

g00blar (gooblar), Saturday, 3 February 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't braved the outside world today.

When will the street repair madness end. They have been tarting up the clerkenwell rd for the best part. Woken this morning by the sound of the cycle lane being turned green.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 3 February 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

it is LOVELY out there! i have been out in just a t-shirt! (ok not JUST a t-shirt but no layers over it)

emsk ( emsk), Saturday, 3 February 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

It's blue skies and freaky loveliness up here too! I haven't been out yet, but I spy some be-t-shirted dudes out my window! Yay for global warming!

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 3 February 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

And it's that great (GREAT) crisp, clear winter air feeling. Sometimes I think I'll take this kind of days over the equivalent (and warmer) spring and summer ones.

g00blar (gooblar), Saturday, 3 February 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

I'm up too early. (I am, however, thankfully not at work.)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Saturday, 3 February 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

yer also not in the uk. what are you doing here you bleeding rotter?

scott seward (scott seward), Saturday, 3 February 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

You know what? I can't even be bothered to read that, it's just too many blocks of black against mine eyes and I'm cranky enough at being at work on a sodding Sunday. Arguing is too fucking boring and tedious and time-consuing. And if I wanted to get wound up, then I'd just read "What Women Don't Understand About Men" or something. (If that column ends with the words "Dear reader, I married her" I am going to storm the Guardian with an AK-47 assault rifle because I truly despair.

Hope yer party was good, Emsk. I was busy initiating M into the WONDERS OF DOCTOR WHO with The Keeper of Traken.

It took every bone in my body not to shout out spoilers and "EEEEVVVILL!!!! IT'S THE MASTER!!!"

Fire and Worms (kate), Sunday, 4 February 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

Hrrmmm, I read something this morning about how doctors say that both red wine and dark chocolate are GOOD FOR YOU in small daily doses. It was either in Country Life or the Guardian, can't remember which. If the latter, I will cut it out and send it to my mum.

From now on I will try to have a small glass of merlot and three squares of Green and Black EVERY SINGLE DAY and know that it is helping my health. Yum!

Fire and Worms (kate), Sunday, 4 February 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

Oh My God the night I had last night (actually this morning).

I had to walk my cousin and her friend to Marble Arch, where they were to board the 4am Green Line bus to Luton Airport (they had a 6:35 flight). We got there just in time to see the bus driving past; we ran and waved our arms, but the driver didn't stop. There was another bus in twenty minutes, and they'd still be fine if they were to catch that one, but we were a little troubled by the fact that the bus did not stop at all. Maybe, I proposed, seeing no one standing at the bus stop, he saw no reason to stop.

Anyway, all we can do is wait, so we wait. Strangely, there's no indication at the bus stop that the Green Line will stop there, but I've taken it from this spot before, it's right across the street from where the bus dropped them off coming from Luton, and the schedule says the bus stops at Marble Arch tube (right where we are).

While we wait, we soon notice that standing behind us, under a shop's awning is this . . . person. She/he is standing stock-still, shrouded under blankets, WITH A HALF-CLOSED PARASOL OVER THE HEAD:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/dgoobl/ParasolCreature.jpg

Very, very freaky. An actually quite eerie and frightening image. We tried not to look. Anyway.

When we see the 4:17 coming, we get ready to wave like maniacs, to make sure it stops. It comes, we wave our arms, it blows right past us. I run after it, thinking it'll just stop at the next stop down the block. It doesn't. I'm running like a crazy person, followed by my cousin and her friend, as well as two other girls that were waiting for the same bus. It stops at a red light at the corner, and I catch up to it; the driver motions to me to go around the corner. I figure he's gonna stop AROUND THE CORNER. No. He turns the corner and just. keeps. going. I fucking chased this stupid bus for five fucking city blocks until it finally stopped, halfway to Marylebone High Street.

I make him wait (I'm physically standing so the door cannot close even if the driver wanted it too) until the girls catch up. I ask him why the hell he didn't stop at Marble Arch. He says that the Marble Arch stop is on Park Lane, which makes no fscking sense at all. The way the intersection is set up, with that jug-handle, Park Lane is nowhere near Marble Arch tube. And how is anyone reading a schedule that merely says 'Marble Arch Tube' supposed to know that the stop is on Park Lane? (I don't say any of this to the driver. I am bent over and huffing and puffing.)

Anyway, (whew) the girls got on the bus, made their flight, and are safely back in Milan. I trudged home and got into bed at 5am.

g00blar (gooblar), Sunday, 4 February 2007 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

You know what? I can't even be bothered to read that

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v292/aldo_cowpat/untitled2.jpg

ailsa (ailsa), Sunday, 4 February 2007 22:49 (eighteen years ago)

Gooblar, that reminds me of the end of The Blair Witch Project, that image.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 4 February 2007 22:53 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, it was definitely very horror-movie creepy. My cousin kept sneaking glances over (she was scared!) and thought she saw he/she surreptitiously peeking out at us from under the parasol every so often.

g00blar (gooblar), Sunday, 4 February 2007 23:18 (eighteen years ago)

That was my first thought about it too, Ned. Creepy!

(and maybe partly because it's a grainy night-time photo)

Anyway, I had a nice day yesterday - it was my birthday, and I went off to Leicester to spend the afternoon in the pub with friends. An excellent relaxed afternoon.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 February 2007 08:48 (eighteen years ago)

Well, geez, happy birthday FP!

i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Monday, 5 February 2007 08:58 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks Mitya!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 February 2007 08:59 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, yes, Happy Birthday! Get any presents?

g00blar (gooblar), Monday, 5 February 2007 09:05 (eighteen years ago)

Oooh, yes, happy birthday FP!

*shuffles up to radiator to thaw out*

carson dial (carson dial), Monday, 5 February 2007 09:05 (eighteen years ago)

Morning everyone! Everything hurts after emsk's sat night/ sun morning. Great fun - you should have come Kate! And bought M with you! Initiate her into my chocolate cake!

(I'll let someone else tell the tale of the night, but it was a goodun.)

OTM about FPs bday - happy beingbornday! Did you get cheese? (I have received cheese for birthday for the last three years, I was wondering if it was only me)

I am now sipping water trying not to feel too bad. My brain isn't quite up to speed yet and I've got chapped lips. How I'm gonna do any coding today is quite beyond me. I hope I've got some pr0-p1us about.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 5 February 2007 09:07 (eighteen years ago)

I got a bluetooth earpiece for my phone, so I can answer it when I'm on a long drive. And that was all, apart from a packet of razorblades, a tenner, and something from a friend that's apparently still in the post.

No cheese, though.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 February 2007 09:07 (eighteen years ago)

Hello all. I'm here Mondays only for a bit. (being out in't field)

mark grout (mark grout), Monday, 5 February 2007 10:10 (eighteen years ago)

Morning.

That is creepy as fuck, Gooblar. Especially the graininess of your photograph makes it look even more horror movie creepy.

Happy birthday, FP!

M is a boy, Johnney B, and we had a lovely time drinking wine and watching old episodes of Dr. Who. Besides, I had to get up early in the morning yesterday and come here. Bah. I feel like I never leave sometimes.

Got more prescription this morning. Not having a good head at the moment, I'm doing everything I can not to slip into depression again but some days it feels like hanging on by your fingernails. :-(

Sorry I didn't go dancing last night, but I just couldn't face it.

Went to the optician on Saturday morning and got one of those odd "compliments" - "My, what lovely big pupils you have!" - from the Dr. Two different ones said it, so maybe I have unusually large ones or something. No idea. For once, I didn't buy ILX glasses. Couldn't find any in a colour I liked. I bought BRIGHT PURPLE architects glasses, and also a pair of sort of 50s mathematicians glasses (you know, the ones that have the big across the top but the lense just kind of hangs down beneath it) in grass green.

Blargh, I can't believe that monthend will not end, but at least I've got Sloan to keep my company.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:16 (eighteen years ago)

It's great, no?

g00blar (gooblar), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:23 (eighteen years ago)

It is very, very good. And nowhere near as much filler as there should be on a double album. Almost every song is a keeper. It's good that they're all so short and flow into one another - but there are a couple of songs that are only a minute and a half long that I would have liked to be a whole lot longer. On first few listens, Jay's songs are my favourites, as usual.

What were the Mysterious Events at Emsk's party, anyway?

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

i stayed in and didn't go to ricardo villalobos.

this was an error

Friendly Tree (688), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

oh my god that parasol photo!

antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

it wasn't raining, i gather? rain would have made it less creepy.

antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:33 (eighteen years ago)

Staying in is the new going out.

I don't think I've regretted staying in much lately. I do tend to regret going out when I'm not in the mood for it.

Ah, I just got a present from my mum. Bright orange dishtowels. Actually, they're bright orange and burnt sienna, more like something Gareth would wear than something Ed would wear. They look nice in my flat.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:35 (eighteen years ago)

Yeh, the photo is scarygreat, looks like a half-remembered bad dream.

I've just started my month-end reports, ug. Hopefully I can get them out of the way by the end of the day.

Do you have pics of your new glasses, with or without you wearing them? They sound as cool as one would expect your glasses to be!

Mysterious Events? Nothing was particularly inexplicable - but maybe there was weirdness that I didn't see. Oooh no, there was an inexplicably good massage that I got from an Australian lady with a name that began with C (I never forget a face, it's just the name I can't hang on to).

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:35 (eighteen years ago)

No, I haven't GOT my new glasses yet.

Is this Aussie who I think it is, Emsk? In which case I'm starting to get a really icky vibe. I'm kinda glad I didn't go.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

No rain, more creepy.

g00blar (gooblar), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:43 (eighteen years ago)

i'm really curious about who/what it was now.

antidote against poisoning (lex pretend), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:45 (eighteen years ago)

Argh, mood crash. The creeping tendrils of depression and paranoia are starting to take hold again. I should go and try to do some work instead.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

i think ed orange is primary whereas my orange is trim, to add just a flash of colour to another colour, brown for example

Friendly Tree (688), Monday, 5 February 2007 11:56 (eighteen years ago)

Also, Ed is fluorescent orange, while your orange tends to be a darker, more tertiarty burnt sienna kind of a colour.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

I ate a whole grapefruit. Does that count as one or two of my five a day?

g00blar (gooblar), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

My orange boilersuit started off as the Ed colour, but has headed towards the burnt sienna end of the spectrum as it's got more ingrained oil on it.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:10 (eighteen years ago)

2, gooblar.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

JB, you have clearly forgotten the naked twister, the fundamental approach to sherbert consumption and singing the internationale.

Weekend was good all round, I didn't make it dancing either partly because after three nights on the lash I did not feel up to it and partly because sky seem to have randomly unlocked every channel known to man on my sky box.

I was seduced into an antiquarian book shop on saturday and spent far to much money on a facsimile copy of an account of a soldier offered as a hostage during the first anglo-afghan war.

Ed (dali), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

In icelandic.

Ed (dali), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:44 (eighteen years ago)

If I can distract myself for another 20 minutes, then I can actually eat lunch before attempting the Giant Recc of All Things.

Which isn't so bad now I've reduced it to quarterly for last year instead of all monthly. But still forbidding. I wish I had more energy. This working at the weekend thing really sucks it out of you.

I walked past the elephant base pink and purple and orange Tiffany lamp again this morning. It keeps calling to me. Having one Tiffany lamp is OK, but having two is the start of a collection. But I do so want my flat to start looking like that shop.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:44 (eighteen years ago)

Kate, the pics of your room made me mad jealous - you have such a great sense of style! It really works, but feels personal and intimate too. I have no aesthetic sense myself and I R envious.

(i.e. yes, get another tiffany lamp)

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:57 (eighteen years ago)

oof, morning... bah i have got teh LURGEE :( headful of snot and glued-up eyes. in retrospect i should've seen it coming from saturday morning but i thought that was just post-poptimism throat demons, didn't click that it was teh LURGEE until yesterday morning. my party was LOVELY! full of aces people, i was just starting to think it might wind down when it really really really wound UP and we ended up going to bed at 8.30, yay for unexpected all-nighters. and lots of dancing! admittedly every other song seemed to be 'rehab', but that's fine by me. no one fought or cried, no one smashed anything, my flat remains untrashed. poor andrew had to shuffle off early with an attack of the nasties - hope you're feeling better! spent yesterday lying on the living room floor wrapped in a duvet with people bringing me stuff. thank you, stuff-bringers. the cleanup operation finally was over at 10.30 last night, ow.

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 5 February 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

Thank you, Mark C!

This is the first time I've actually had a house of MINE OWN that I can exercise my personal style in. So I am kind of going to town on all the things that I've wanted since I was small - "when I am grown up I am going to live in a PURPLE PAISLEY HOUSE" etc. It could just as easily go horribly wrong and look like Laurence Llewellyn Bowen threw up in my boudoir.

I blame my mum for trying to teach me "Taste" at an early age (what with the trips to the V&A and Liberty and all) and also for not paying attention to art school teachers trying to teach you about "colour theory" but just to look with your eyes about what works nicely together.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:06 (eighteen years ago)

Look what AMPy just sent me! Isn't this the best thing ever?

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/useless.jpg

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

Awwww, bless ya emsk! I hope you're using left-over booooooze to make hot toddies, I'm sure you can make them with gin.

Fanx again for the party, it was awesome. (I didn't mention the naked twister cos that happens at EVERY party I go to) Do you want me to remind you about that thing I had to remind you about now, or later? Has P decided if he's coming or not? (I think he's also on the case for tickets, so you may want to "liase")

And yes Kate, get another Tiffany lamp. If anyone in the world should have a collection, it's you.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

Kate's flat quite soon if she is not careful:

http://www.antiquesandfineart.com/articles/media/images/00101-00200/00167/fig4.jpg

Fig. 4: Dr. Egon Neustadt sits among a small part of his vast collection of Tiffany glass. His treasures include a rare golden Lotus Leaf shade and lamp bases embellished with thick pieces of red and green turtleback glass. Photography by Mathew Brady.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

Oops!

Louis Comfort Tiffany - Lamps and Other Glasswork

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

Is that maths cartoon from xkcd.com?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

It would appear so from the URL, yes.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

yay for unexpected all-nighters.

Haha one of the reasons that I was semi-literally gutted to leave was that I fully expected an all-nighter after seeing your face light up a few hours in. I am getting better myself, starting to keep things down - I was quite concerned that I might have given everyone at the party a touch of it.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 5 February 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

That cartoon is quite good. And I understand (nearly) all of it! Go me!

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 5 February 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

cold and shivery and thick-headed :( i think i am going to bed. making a toddy thing w/ginger, garlic etc. no booze cos i don't think it actually helps.

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 5 February 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

Aw! Get well soon, Emsk, it is bad to have you sick. :-( I am a touch under the weather myself so I am staying home today, which is nice.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 February 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

I think I may have caught what you've got tho. I was fine this morning but since then I've got really tired and headachy and coughy and my legs have gone all numb and tingly, which is usually step 1 of getting nastiness. I really don't need to be ill.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Monday, 5 February 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

That'll learn you to sing the internationale in the nude.

Ed (dali), Monday, 5 February 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

I am starting to be very glad I was not at this party. I intensely disapprove of nudity!

No one should ever be nude! Not even in the bath!

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

I think I've spotted the problem you've been having in relationships...

I don't know whether to play the trumpet, read a book or be a lesbian. (aldo_cow, Monday, 5 February 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

NOW you tell me.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

"Song sung nude
Everybody knows one..."

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 February 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, ha ha, I was just listening to that. I bought a Neil Diamond comp at Sainsburys at the weekend, coz, like he was a total genius bubblegum era songwriter - it was a two for a tenner deal, so I got that and Dusty Springfield.

And the girl who rang up my groceries just gave me this... *withering* look of distain. I could see what she was thinking "ugh, middle aged woman in tweed buying Country Life and MOR lite records..." which just made me laff like a drain. So I went home and listened to Boris.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

That's taking your obsession with Mr Johnson too far, surely?

I don't know whether to play the trumpet, read a book or be a lesbian. (aldo_cow, Monday, 5 February 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Ha ha, now I am trying to imagine Boris Johnson fronting a Japanese NOIZE band.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

"Ummmm... gosh... you chaps are exciteable, aren't you? Crumbs."

I don't know whether to play the trumpet, read a book or be a lesbian. (aldo_cow, Monday, 5 February 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

I hate monthend. I just wanted to say that, yet again.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

I pronounced that mon-thend.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

Our accounts people always seem to pronounce it like that, too. Mun-thend, all one word.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

It is all one word! It is also hell on earth for any accounting type bods.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

Fucking truck drivers. My parents were driving home from visiting a friend in hospital, they almost were home and a blue lorry drove into the passenger side while on the motorway.
The bastard drove on leaving them. Thankfully there's no injuries apart from the shock.
They managed to drive to the police station but they hadn't got the number plate or anything. But when driving home the wheel didn't feel safe and if they had drove on it could've been another accident. SO they had to call a tow truck and get a taxi home.
They can't get it on the lorry's insurance because they don't know who the bastard is. So they have to fork out an excess charge and the car is most likely a write-off which means they won't get anywhere near the full amount back for the car that was only bought last April.
My dad can't walk very far and is in pain when he walks(needs a stick) and relies on the car. My mum and I don't drive and my mum has to spend several nights a week at my gran's when it's her turn to stay over and look after her.
So god knows when we will get a car.
My dad also suffers from angina and has had several chest pains already which i'm obviously worried about.
I wish I could get my hands on that lorry driving fucker.

What sort of scum drive's away after an accident? And none of the other cars who witnessed it stopped to see if they were ok. Bastards!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, FUCK, I didn't realise that it was a hit and run.

BASTARD! May they rot in hell a thousand times over for this.

Again, I really hope that yer parents are OK.

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

Lord, how terrible. My best for you all.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I didn't know until they got home. It could've been worse I suppose. I just hope my dad doesn't have any more chest pains or an angina attack(or worse). It must have been really scary.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

most motorways have CCTV so the police may have other identification stuff to go on :\

that really sucks, BLP -- hope all turns out well

mark s (mark s), Monday, 5 February 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks guys.
No CCTV there i'm afraid. And since the people who witnessed it didn't even stop to check my parents were ok there's no way of identifying the truck driver so he's got away with it.
My dad says if he hadn't been able to control the car he would've been thrown into the outside lane into other cars. And if he had hit the car full on my mum would've been a gonner.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

Gah, Kerr, that sounds terrifying!

I can't believe that no one at all stopped. How major is this road?

Fire and Worms (kate), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

That's really shitty, Kerr. All best wishes and good thoughts for your parents.

g00blar (gooblar), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

The M74!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

To be fair, it's a bit tricky to stop on a motorway. I'm guessing your parents were in the middle lane, since hit on the left and could have veered onto the right hand lane. Did they spin right across the motorway - where did they land up? On the hard shoulder? As someone who drives down motorways at speed every day, it's very difficult to notice and immediately react to things going on around you that aren't involving you when you are driving.

The driver of the van's still a twat, mind, if he realised what he'd done.

Does your dad have fully comprehensive insurance (oh, he must if it's coming off their insurance) - most fully comprehensive policies should give him a courtesy car while repairs are being carried out.

I hope they're all right. It's fucking scary being in an accident.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, the middle lane. He says the truck was going fasta nd overtook another car in the inside lane and wasn't looking and rammed straight into my mums side of the car.
You have to pay for a courtesy car I think with his policy AND he's too scared to drive a courtesy car incase it gets damaged and he has to pay for that.

He already didn't like driving too much now and I expect this has made it worse.
He's hopefull the car isn't a write-off, just the wheel is totally bust, and the wing,bumpers etc are all smashed to bits. A lot of costly damage. He says he has to pay an excess of £150(as it's on his own insurance) whatever that means.
That's twice ina year some idiot has driven into this car (both times the other persons fault..the 1st time the driver(from a street away) had only 3rd party insurance and tried to blame my dad, but there was witnesses and they told the insurance company and the guy had to pay in full)

If only they hadn't been so shaken and got the license plate number of the truck. Drivers like that shouldn't be allowed on the road.

Thanks everyone for your good thoughts.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

It means he pays £150 and the insurance company pays the rest. Doesn't sound like a write-off to me, and the cost of repair lies with the insurance company, not with him (except the first £150 obviously).

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:16 (eighteen years ago)

(the wheel can't be that bust if they managed to drive to a police station from the motorway)

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

Well they couldn't make it back up the road from there. It's a miracle they were able to drive to the station. Luckily it must've happened just outside Hamilton.

My mum thought when she saw it hitting the car that she was gonna die. Must have been awful. I dread to think what state they were in.
They didn't phone me until they had been to the station. She could barely stop crying when she was telling me about it.

It could have been so much worse I guess. I just hope my dad doesn't get any angina attacks as a result of it/the worry.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:22 (eighteen years ago)

fucking hell, kerr! that's terrifying.

any cctv on the junctions? cos if they get the plates for any blue lorries that would have been in the right place at the right time (ok not "right" but y'know) they can figure out which one it was because the lorry will have been damaged/marked too, right? i dunno, would they (don't even know who i'm referring to by they - police? insurance people?) go to that much trouble?

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

That's awful, Kerr.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:31 (eighteen years ago)

I asked my dad and he said there was no cameras there. My dad doesn't know if the lorry was damaged or not, if it is then at least his bosses will know he's hit something. But knowing our luck he won't have a mark on him.

These things happen all the time I suppose and they would have no chance of finding the driver without the license plate no.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

Did your Dad ask the police if there were cameras, or is this just him surmising? They aren't always visible to drivers, especially if you are looking when you're shaking and panicking. Where abouts on the M74 was this - quite a lot of it is well covered by cameras. (The insurance company will probably be looking into this so they don't have to fork out themselves)

As Emsk said, they (police and/or insurance company) can also look at the cameras on the slip roads to see if any damaged blue vans are coming off them.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not sure but I would've thought the police would have mentioned if there was cameras.

I'll ask him whereabouts it was.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

He says it was about 300 metres before the Bothwell Services turn off.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

see if any damaged blue vans are coming off them.

or undamaged ones going on to them. if your parents remember what shade of blue the lorry was (turquoise? navy?) it can't be *that* hard, but i dunno if they can be arsed to check, whether it's the police (cos no one died) or the insurance co (why would they bother?).

I would've thought the police would have mentioned if there was cameras.

your faith in the british police is 1000x greater than mine!

emsk ( emsk), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

You're assuming the police give a fuck about an accident in which no-one was hurt (clue: they don't) xpost!

That's the southbound side, yes? I'll ask Neil to look tomorrow on his way to work if you like. I'm pretty sure there'll be CCTV cameras if it's at a slip road, also that's kind of busy so it's the sort of place they monitor for traffic-level observation purposes. I'd be v surprised if they couldn't get the guy on a camera nearby.

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 February 2007 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

the insurance co (why would they bother?).

Because if it's a company van, it will presumably have been insured, and the chances are if they can trace it it will save them a pile of cash. They're likely to care more than the police would (ie, at all).

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 February 2007 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry to hear about this. Sucks

The insurance company will probably be pretty dogged about this. I had my car written off by an uninsured driver, they tracked him down and dragged him through the courts.

Ed (dali), Monday, 5 February 2007 20:02 (eighteen years ago)

Or, what I said :-)

(I used to work in insurance)

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 February 2007 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

xpost etc.

Ed (dali), Monday, 5 February 2007 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

He's not too hopeful they will catch him but hey you never know. I doubt the police will care but you never know with the insurance company.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 20:12 (eighteen years ago)

The insurance company will care if the car's fucked because they won't want to pay for it if they can get the other dude's insurance company to pay for it.

Why all the negativity? He was on one of the busiest roads in Scotland which is covered in cameras.

(That's THREE people now who are telling you this stuff. Trust us!)

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 February 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

Well lets wait and see!

Oh and btw HI KIT! good to see you back.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 20:49 (eighteen years ago)

I tried to find a twee birthday cake pic for FP but this was all i could find.
So if anyone else can find some post away please!

http://www.angelfire.com/bc3/cakes3/cake_designs/thumbnails/100x100/43c.jpg

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.mormonchic.com/recipe/recipebox/images_044/birthday/birthday_bunny.gif

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 20:56 (eighteen years ago)

This one is disturbing. If Kate ever gets a butler I hope he puts his trousers on
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5370/cake.gif

But perhaps it's appropriate for FP ;)

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

Now *that's* twee.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 February 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

Don't wait and see. hassle fuck out of them!

ailsa (ailsa), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:02 (eighteen years ago)

Or this one
http://www.superstitcher.com/product_images/K4453.jpg

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

This one is perhaps more fitting

http://www.bdsm.com.tw/images/2005/0824/birthdaycake0823_11.jpg

I wont post the pic as you're all at work.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

It's not *that* rude. I've taken worse!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

Well everyone can be assured it doesn't feature FP himself.

This might though
http://www.freedsbakery.com/uploads/zr/p4/zrp4qZrT3IVxCF3qyU9Vhw/Some-Bunny-Loves-You.jpg

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

Now that's just *garish*

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

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Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

Don't wait and see. hassle fuck out of them!

I'm sure when he's feeling better he will!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Monday, 5 February 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

looks like I won't make it to the folk lunch, I have to go to hemel hempstead.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 08:24 (eighteen years ago)

Morning there!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 09:05 (eighteen years ago)

TWO VAGINAS

g00blar (gooblar), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 10:11 (eighteen years ago)

DOUBLE THE SAND

I don't know whether to play the trumpet, read a book or be a lesbian. (aldo_cow, Tuesday, 6 February 2007 10:17 (eighteen years ago)

morning! um happy birthday fp! sorry i didn't do that yesterday, brain not really functioning.

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

Good morning. What large pupils you all have.

Any updates this morning, Kerr?

I'm feeling... foggy this morning. Probably a meds thing.

At least I don't have chest pains again this morning. Never experienced that before. It wasn't in the right place for heart trouble or appendicitis (just below my left breast, underneath the edge of my ribcage) but was sore for hours. This morning it's gone, but my back is aching from sleeping in an odd position so as to compensate for the chestpains. Argh. I hate getting old.

Watched Castrovalva lst night, though. And made insalata tricolore and I am obsessed with avacadoes now.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

large pupils = stoned

teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 10:55 (eighteen years ago)

Very very unlikely in my case.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 10:56 (eighteen years ago)

you just mentioned yr meds.

teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

They are the medical kind, not the fun kind, my dear.

Though optician said they might have caused the "neon snakes" floaters of last year, as floaters are not supposed to glow.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

I simply meant "under the influence of a drug" but didn't want to type it. my girlfriend has been seeing floataz lately, and worrying about it quite a lot. it sounds bizarre.

teh_kit (g-kit), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, I thought you meant a specific drug which I cannot under no circumstances take as it causes semi-psychotic paranoia and delusions. Hence my confusion and insistence that I was not. Stoned on c1t@l0pr@m, quite possibly.

What colour are her floaters? If they are kinda transparent or grey then she might want to see an optician. But if they are glowing neon snakelike things, they are almost certainly hallucinations.

I only got them twice, and then they stopped. But they can be a worry if you get them all the time.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

Oh what a depressing story.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

I used to get translucent grey snakelike floaters when I was younger, but not for a while now.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, Kerr, that all sounds pretty terrible. The driver ought to have his fucking license pulled for driving away after crashing, there's no excuse for that.

Bad argument this morning, tired of it. The kid fucked my headphones - expensive beyer ones. Apparently I'm not supposed to be upset about this, or about being totally ignored when I warned him to be careful w/the last time he nearly broke them. Tired of my S.O's total war method of dealing w/when we disagree about something. Tired of being treated like an idiot.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

ARgh, Pash, that sounds like no fun. :-(

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry to hear, Pash.
If it helps, you kinda get used to being treated like an idiot after a while.

teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:27 (eighteen years ago)

It's fucking terrible, if yer a long-term relationship-er, you have to learn to put up w/this or that foible, obv, and I'm not perfect by any means, but J's thing - a by product of the broken home she came out of, I think - where she flies off the handle at the mildest implied criticism is so fucking hard to deal w/. She is so fucking combative, & sees the world as an us & them situation, and the only person who is "us" is her. I hate it, tbh.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

Is it something that she's even aware of? i.e. when she has calmed down out of (probably highly self defensive) rage, is she able to discuss it at all rationally, or admit that there is a problem?

It's impossible to discuss argument methods *when* you are arguing. But raising it in a more quiet moment - not as criticism, but more as "hey, in order to stop us hurting each other so much, can we talk about this a moment?" can be more effective. So long as you are able to discuss the argument style, without re-raising the actual argument again.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:33 (eighteen years ago)

She never has been able to discuss it rationally, eventually it always comes down to either "it's the way I was brought up"/"it's my mother's fault" or "if you don't like it, leave" in so many words. Unfortunately , the nature of her personality is such that she will always instantly go to war if anything that she sees as a criticism is raised. She is very aware of it, and to some extent sees it as a strength, I think. It goes along w/her unbelievable stubbornness. Basically, I have to put up with it, it only becomes an issue from time to time. It's happened loads and loads of times before, we'll be a bit huffy for a couple of days, probably be OK again by Thursday.

This morning was just extra bad because my headphones got broken, and I got ignored again. The ignoring bit is actually worse than the 'phones.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:41 (eighteen years ago)

It's a bit close to home for me, because this sounds very much like me.

Problem is, when I used to take the stubborn "if you don't like it, leave" attitude with a partner, the partner would leave. Did all kinds of therapy and anger management and all that, and instead tried to sit down and talk about it - with the same result. That the partner would leave.

So I kind of admire her for sticking to her guns - but I also very much admire you for sticking with her.

Though I know from the other side, how counterproductive this attitude can be in relationships. It only goes to show your strength that you are "putting up with it" for the sake of the relationship.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:48 (eighteen years ago)

Pash, you're lovely and she's lucky to have you.

=== temporary username === (Mark C), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 11:50 (eighteen years ago)

its pretty good you are able to stick with it. I'm a bit frightened of angry people, i can feel quite anxious around them. i lived with an angry person for a while, and i didn't realise how stressed it made me till afterwards. perhaps its not so much the angryness, but the fact that it might happen when i was not prepared, and i guess i was sort of always on edge, unable to relax.

i think with people that are inflexible, and like things a certain way, and will go to bat for it, i tend to feel like an object in their life, rather than a person. as i'm too flexible/passive anyhow, this isn't good for health either.

Friendly Tree (688), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:01 (eighteen years ago)

I cannot help but project mine own situations onto these kinds of discussions, and that makes me feel defensive, impinged upon, under attack, and angry.

Therefore I probably shouldn't participate, for mine own good.

But then that makes me feel silenced, which makes me feel like a voiceless idiot, which isn't good, either.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

Argh, badhead. :-(

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

im sure everyone is projecting their own differing past and present situations onto these things. thats not necessarily bad though?

Friendly Tree (688), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

I'm just waiting for a moment to mention cats or something.

teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:15 (eighteen years ago)

you can mention cats whenever you like, little kit

wonder if its actually energy, that makes me feel on edge, rather than anger per se. current housemate is never angry, but is so hyper, that can make feel anxious too

Friendly Tree (688), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

The "like an object" thing is a good point, Gareth. Generally, I don't feel at all like an object in this relationship, but when we've had an argument of this sort, then I do, very much so. I was driving into work in the car this morning, and I was thinking "I might as well be a machine, or a pack animal of some sort" (or words to that effect), which is a bullshit thing to think, I mean it's totally not true, but it does make you feel that way, doesn't it.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

There's probably some fairly straightforward reason for feeling that way, but even knowing the mental process that leads to it, I'd probably still feel/think it in that situation.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:18 (eighteen years ago)

I have often being accused of being an angry person. that angry, person that "are inflexible, and like things a certain way, and will go to bat for it" is me to a T.

But when I sit down and think why I am that way... you say that you feel tense when you are around an angry person.

I spent my entire youth around an angry, unpredictable person who was suffering from undiagnosed manic depression - I either had to tip-toe around, and withdraw into myself, or else explode right back and expand to grab as much of mine own space as I possibly could. I spent so much of my life in that state of being constantly woundup, never knowing when things were going to explode, being on edge, unable to relax.

So now that I am starting to get mine own space - I've got mine own flat, completely mine for the first time in my life - the watercooler, formerly my band - whenever I feel someone else trying to impinge on that, I feel really really anxious, and I go straight into the reactions described above.

I'm sick of spending my life walking about on tip-toe - so the end result is that everyone else ends up having to walk on tiptoe around me.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:24 (eighteen years ago)

Even talking about this stuff, makes me feel edgy and anxious, like I'm under attack and have to defend/explain my very self.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

My mum & dad are ok. My dad is feeling really tense and tight though. They're probably shattered from the hole ordeal despite getting a good nights sleep. Will take a while to get over I suppose.

My mum didn't say much. I guess she said all she needed to yesterday "When I saw the lorry coming out then hitting us I thought my time was up, I really did"

Which is bloody scary.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 13:04 (eighteen years ago)

It is a terrifying experience, and they may need a while to recover from it, especially psychologically. The immediate shock and stress can last for days. And driving/being in a car may be stressful for them for some time. I hope your parents - and especially your dad - get as much rest as possible. My thoughts are with all of you.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

Hello everyone. I went home at 3ish yesterday and got all fevery and headachy and nasty. I was in agony till about 11ish, went to sleep, woke up this morning witht he world's worstr headahce. I've got housemates making me butternut squash soup - yay! ALthough I still feel like shit. I reckon I'll be ok tomorrow tho.

Ug.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

Hope you feel better soon.

The post-lunch crash has me about to fall asleep today.

treefell (treefell), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

Oh no! The dreaded lurgy was passed about that entire party, it sounds like! Get lots of sleep and eat spicy things.

Which reminds me, is Emsk going to feel better by tonight for her BIG NIGHT TONIGHT!?!?

Also, I have just spilled the jam from an entire jam donut all over my wristrest. Argh! But the good news is, I washed it, and while waiting for it to dry, my colleagues pointed out that our former boss who has recently left, left both her wristrest and mousewristrest on her desk! Both of which I have appropriated. I've never used a mousewristrest before, but it feels nice. I suspect my doctor would approve. (Even though my next appointment is not until NEEXXXT MONTH.)

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

God DAMN that donut jelly got all over my security pass as well!

I am SO not ready for that jelly.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

christ, will people please stop referring to it as my "big night"? you make me feel like a 7-year-old doing a piano recital.

tbh it feels more like a chore than anything else.

OK?

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

You're going to have a choir?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

johnny, hiding in bed is definitely the answer. i'm amazed at how much better i feel today than yesterday - cos if i was working i'd've gone to work yesterday and i bet this would have dragged on for days, but instead i got up at about 10 or 10.30, spent at least an hour in the bath, went back to sleep between 3.30 and 6.30 then went back to bed at 10.30. one night of semi-horrific hallucinatory deliriousness, feverish chills and waking up drenched (er with sweat not wee) later, and i'm pretty much human again.

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

"Chore?" Ha ha, you are starting to sound like I used to sound when I still bothered going on dates.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

I am on citricidal and cloraseptic. I cannot be ill again I am sick and tired of being ill. I feel like I am supporting the grapefruit industry of a an entire florida county at the moment.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

I do not want to get this. I do not want to get this!

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

Mmm, morning. What's all this about choirs?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

"Chore?" Ha ha, you are starting to sound like I used to sound when I still bothered going on dates.

well y'know. i'm just kind of making sure (haha, ref tuomas' meat-thread, i seen him eat sausages and just don't think it's gonna work). i'm not dreading it or anything, he's cool and clever and funny and stuff and we'll have a good time whatever happens, but i'm not excited. anyway i've decided not to do it tonight, maybe later this week or next week.

ew ed :( sorry to hear. i was downing citricidal yesterday. at least i can't really taste anything atm... go to bed!

emsk ( emsk), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

Well, sometimes the dates you have the least expectations of turn out to be the best, because you're relaxed and it's not all pressure and you end up discovering that they're quite nice and fun after all.

But, you know, if you don't like his washboard stomach and meat-eating ways, oh well.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

God, I have so much work to do that I'm procrasturbating. I cannot bring myself to care about residential remortgages and buy to lets.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

heh, I had a very enjoyable evening last nite in the presence of Shifty Disco's least selling artiste (3 copies of one of his records in Iceland and THAT WAS IT apparently....)

New Mark H (New MarkH), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

And who would this be? Surely not Kevin Rowland and the Stripper?

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

I was convinced that Jellybean owned at least one of his records.

he recorded & performed under the name S.P.U.N.K.L.E.

New Mark H (New MarkH), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

Never 'eard of him. Probably for the best!

I am starting to feel a bit hot in the head, but I am hoping that is just too much sugar rather than any oncoming lurgy, oh no.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

anyway we won £30 in a pub music quiz, which was nice.

It did help that one of the rounds was Complete the New Order Song Title!

New Mark H (New MarkH), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

Ha ha, one of the few pub quizzes I might be any good at.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

the music clips rounds featured the Dead Kennedys and Gang of Four. I like Jeff's quizzes.

New Mark H (New MarkH), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

God, that was weird. I wandered in one of the other chat threads by mistake because there was a flyer for a folk gig. I feel... unclean. Someone get me a cup of tea, please!

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:11 (eighteen years ago)

apologies

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

the DC one is the best one!

Friendly Tree (688), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

The Hastings one is my other favorite.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

Probably because you know the main protagonists well IRL. I just got shouted at for being "that crazy girl".

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

I thought the veggie thread was very interesting. Because it's threads like that that really throw cultural differences into stark relief.

Though it's difficult, how quickly "I could never date someone who did X, ooh, icky icky" quickly becomes "you are saying that all people who do X are evil and should be killed!"

It's too late for tea, isn't it? I won't sleep.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

YOu could counteract it with a verveine before bed.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

No, no, no valerian to me. Though I am pre-menstral so it might do some good. I've also had three krispy kremes (see above) which is making me feel quite ... odd.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

three krispy kremes is a lot of krispy kremes.

Your mum just mailed me so i shall have a fun time; this evening collating environmental information.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

Yes it is an incredibly large amount of krispy kremes. I really do feel quite odd. A bit dizzy. I may not eat dinner, I may just go home and pass out.

I am glad my mum got a hold of you. Be careful though as she is on a tweed buying spree and you may end up with Orvis tweeds if you are not careful!

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

Mmmm, I've spent all day in bed and it seems all good. I feel actually okay, apart from a blocked nose and a general feeling of weakness in every part of my body. I dunno if I'm gonna be okay to go into work tomorrow, but I've got to got to go in on Thursday to run the monthend reports (in by COP) so I guess if I don't feel 100% then stay in bed.

(Last night, in my state of agony, I fell back on Mary Poppins, and whatcha know, it is actually a perfect film. I might start a thread to discuss it's perfectness when I get well.)

The last date I went on was actually something of a disaster. I mean, we had fun 'n' all, but I made the mistake of being all nice and friendly and open and stuff, so instead of there being any romantic attraction at all we just turned into mates straight away. We finished the date by going to buy shoes together, ffs. I ask you, shoes!

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry, no, buying shoes on a first date is totally unacceptible. You are so far in the friend zone that she actually thinks you are a girl/gay.

(Unless of course you went on said date wearing the shoes that you wore for the last rolling walk, in which case there may be other problems.)

My monthend is over! However, I have utterly lost track of what day it is.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:46 (eighteen years ago)

It's Tuesday.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)

HOnestly? Good lord, I've been thinking it was Wednesday for most of the day. Seriously.

Fire and Worms (kate), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

Wouldn't Ed suit tweed?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Tuesday, 6 February 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9624/dancingalienld7.gif

am0n (am0n), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 01:25 (eighteen years ago)

Morning there. I still haven't told you about my tarot reading, have I?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 09:02 (eighteen years ago)

Do tell

I have been reminded of Nemi translations

http://www.goaste.cx/goaste/pictures/nemi/NEMI013.gif

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 09:26 (eighteen years ago)

mainly because of bees

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 09:31 (eighteen years ago)

OMG look at my bees

g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 09:40 (eighteen years ago)

My mum says she has trouble sleeping. She thinks of that lorry last thing at night and as soon as she wake up. I hope this soon passes. I just said at least it didn't do any damage. Hopefully things will be back to normal soon.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 09:49 (eighteen years ago)

I do not understand the bees thing at all. I am lost and confused.

Argh, Kerr, that is rub for your mum. But it will pass. For a few weeks after I was in a big carcrash, I couldn't even sit in the front seat of a car without wincing every time a car came towards us. But it passed. The key to not dwelling on these things in spare moments is to keep busy and occupied with something else that takes up the spare moments.

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:04 (eighteen years ago)

kaet will you stop with the car crashes!

:P

onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:18 (eighteen years ago)

kerr, kate's right, it will pass. it'll be awful while it lasts, but humans be resilient. they and you just have to ride it out :/


oh, thanks, this horoscope:

You've made it over the hump, EMMA. You have moved beyond the problems of the recent past and are entering a more peaceful phase. You will soon complete your projects at work, and your domestic life will be the picture of bliss and harmony. Enjoy this period of rest and relaxation, for it will be followed by a period of intense longings, requiring your total attention.

intense longings! that's what i need! although yesterday's horoscope said i was going to suddenly be rich. *that* didn't happen.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

I finally finished my book on Queen Eleanor (which was very very good) and moved onto my book on the Elizabethan Secret Services. Which I was hoping would be a lot like Tudor ILE the thread but so far is a bit academic and boring. Maybe it will pick up when they start killing more Catholics.

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

I do not understand the bees either.

Was that Queen Eleanor for whom the crosses were built?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:22 (eighteen years ago)

OOh, that is a nice horrorscope, Emsk!

No, wrong Eleanor - this was the 12th Century Angevin one who was married to Louis ...err IX? (I get all the Loues mixed up) and Henry II and mother of Richard the Lionheart and the wicked King John. She died and was burried in France.

She was, according to Nigel Spivey, "Sexy"!

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:25 (eighteen years ago)

no! intense longings?? i'm not sure about that! i don't think it's what i want! i think my crush is dead :( like not murdered but you know, over. bah.

hope for everyone who got party-lurgee - ok today i feel SO MUCH BETTER, basically got a slight sore throat and a bit coughy, and i am HUNGRY for the first time since saturday. i am going to raid the fridge.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:28 (eighteen years ago)

Aah, Eleanor of Aquitaine?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:29 (eighteen years ago)

I think the bees thing is all about how Nemi isn't really "translated" from Norwegian so much as "look at the pictures and say what you see".

onimo (onimo), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:29 (eighteen years ago)

I am mixing my medications today (grapefruit, citicidal, beechams anaesthetic throat spray). I may not make it to the gig. (although veggy indian will be good). I am going to see if chapel market jamaican food dude is back from his holidays because I am up for spiceloading my way to health.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:32 (eighteen years ago)

also CMJFD has taken a six week holiday, the swine.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

Oh noes, why is your crush over? What happened? Or was it the precise lack of happening?

Yes, Eleanor of Aquitaine. She was GRATE!!! And a feisty redhead, so all the boys of the 'Cooler should have a crush on her. She lead armies and fought the French and sponsored troubadors and all that.

Argh, no gig? :-( But not if you're still not feeling well. When will I come down with this dreaded lurgy?

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:35 (eighteen years ago)

Don't tempt fate..

g00blar (gooblar), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:35 (eighteen years ago)

I really want to gig, but I NEED to be healthy friday through sunday and I have pretty important meetings tomorrow and friday.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:38 (eighteen years ago)

I'm honestly surprised that I haven't yet. As I was around all you lot on Friday night. And I've been totally under stress and working too much the past week. So probably it will hit me when I finally get some blessed time off.

My random transitory ache seems to have moved from my chest to my lower left leg. Argh. I am getting old.

But Eleanor of Aquitaine was still RULING COUNTRIES at the age of 71 so I should not complain about aches and pains.

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

I'm rather croaky-feeling this morning. And grouchy, too. I'm not talking to The Parents.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

Oh noes, why is your crush over? What happened? Or was it the precise lack of happening?

i think i talked myself out of it. (PSSST - pls to stop rising to m*rc*ll* on other thread!)

mmm coffee cardamom. eggs. pepper. i can TASTE again!

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

Why did you talk yourself out of it? You were enjoying it so much!

I am merely following the longstanding ILX tradition that if there is a person you particularly dislike or is hounding you, you no longer engage with them, but simply post some humourous picture, like a cartoon dinosaur, to signify your disengagement from them.

Then again, on the healthy food front, I've eaten a ridiculous bonanza of vegetables and spices over the past week. Last night I made Thing Soup with greens. What on earth are "greens"? Cabbages? Overgrown spinach? I'm confused by their classicication, but they taste so yummy. Rich and iron-y. They've got that certain tangyness where you can practically taste the iron and the B-vitamins.

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:05 (eighteen years ago)

I did a lovely spicy tomato and fagioli sauce for tagliatelle the other night.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

I meant to make my insalata tricolore last for two meals, but I could not, it was so num that I ate it all up. Oh, I hope I do not become obsessed with avacadoes, they have terrible foodmiles.

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:09 (eighteen years ago)

Once chopped and dressed, a salad shouldn't last for two meals.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:11 (eighteen years ago)

No, I chopped and dressed the other half of the avocado! I was afraid it would go brown in the fridge. Honest. It was not just me being greedy to the point where I wanted to lick the balsamic vinegar off the plate.

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

I think there is no possible way not to lick the balsamic off the plate.

For a variation, try sherry vinegar.

Also, the food programme had an interesting programme on rape seed oil and was raving about cold pressed rape seed oils

http://hillfarmoils.com/
http://www.farrington-oils.co.uk/about.html

I'd like to try some. Low food miles alternative to olive oil.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:19 (eighteen years ago)

Why did you talk yourself out of it? You were enjoying it so much!

i know; i think i went a bit overboard on the "it-would-be-a-bad-idea-it-would-be-a-bad-idea" thing. altho i haven't seen him for a month so maybe it will return next time i do.

Then again, on the healthy food front, I've eaten a ridiculous bonanza of vegetables and spices over the past week.

and that is why you have no lurgee! are you still up for kontakte tonight? i feel like i NEED to get out of the house. i haven't been outside since saturday, except to take the recycling out. am turning into gollum.

rub lemon juice over the avocado and it won't go brown in the fridge (yes yes i realise you don't really need a "solution" to this "problem"...).

i just got sent this link - http://video.google.fr/videoplay?docid=5504620018394758678 - (it is ben christophers and francoise hardy doing an old ben c song on french tv) and it sent me back in time and backwards into the sofa. it's lush.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:19 (eighteen years ago)

I have never seen what the fuss about olive oil is. I like olives, but don't like when my cooking and drizzling oil tastes of them. Rapeseed for cooking, Sesame or Walnut oil for drizzling. Sesame oil is the food of the gods.

x-post I wish I knew about the lemon juice thing! That makes sense, since it works with apples. But avocadoes are just too num to be left unmolested in the fridge long enough to go brown.

I am still up for Kontacte if you want to go! Will you come for a curry first? I hear ::shock horror:: it's gone up to £3.50!

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:22 (eighteen years ago)

I will still come for curry.

They were recommending this as better as a salad oil than a frying oil. Very different from the highly processed commodity stuff. (Olive still tops for frying but you don't want a strongly flavoured olive for that)

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:25 (eighteen years ago)

Also, the food programme had an interesting programme on rape seed oil and was raving about cold pressed rape seed oils

Oh, I heard that - it did sound rather interesting.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:25 (eighteen years ago)

One of those I posted is apparently available in waitrose so I will get some next time I am in and make a tasty winter salad. (It would be good if I could find some Cima di rape to go in it).

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

but olive oil is... WAH! have you never poured a truckload of olive oil into a dish and put salt and pepper in there and dipped crusty bread in it until it's sodden and and and... ah...

I am still up for Kontacte if you want to go! Will you come for a curry first? I hear ::shock horror:: it's gone up to £3.50!

i def want to go. if i feel like i do now later on, i'm there. need some live music and some PEOPLE. also i don't think i've been to club goo yet and i do like the sound of what they do. for curry though, neh, i am still on £5 a day (and have some rebalancing to do since party so more like £3 a day but you can get £4 list if you email the goo people, it sez on their site).

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

If you can get me on the cheapie list, Emsk, I will buy you dinner in exchange.

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:33 (eighteen years ago)

I do like olive oil with pepper and crusty bread, but I would also eat olives in the same combination. I just prefer sesame oil for making salad toppings with. Different taste, goes better with my honey and mustard dressings.

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:36 (eighteen years ago)

I am a great fan of walnut oil for many salads.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:37 (eighteen years ago)

ok! thank you! i think anyone can be on it tbh, it just says to email themi will use my magic music industry skillz to get us in for cheap! i have asked, anyway...

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:37 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks for the video link, emsk, I really love that song. I think I still prefer the album version though.

xpost

treefell (treefell), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

Can't make it up for Kontakte tonite, speshly as Emsk is using her magic music industry skillz on our behalf.

Kontakte are my myspace friends and they sound interesting. I'm still reeling from the fact that I just *assumed* that they were named after the BBC German language course my dad did in the late seventies/early eighties, but then I know nothing about this Stockhausen dude beyond the fact that he influenced a lot of ppl and his music is perceived as "difficult". I am forever mixing him up with Schoenberg, but that's for a different thread!

New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

i menat to say "which is a shame" before "speshly". Bludy Insert key!

New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:47 (eighteen years ago)

The reason my posts are even more shot to pieces than usual is that I am having a stressful day with tons to do. I went to London on Monday and am still playing catch-up. It was a good day tho. I went to Berwick Street and bought cds in the Music and Video Exchange and Sister Ray then got four avocados (strange co-incidence) from the marvellous fruit and veg stall. I also had lunch in the cellar bar of the Cittie of Yorke, which is aces. Oh, and did some work stuff...

New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:50 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, I love the Tittle of Yorke! It goes on for ever. And you can hear the River Fleet from the lowest rooms. (Allegedly.)

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

next time I'm in London for work stuff maybe we could meet there for lunch?

New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:53 (eighteen years ago)

No, it's the cheshire cheese that you can hear the fleet from.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks for the video link, emsk, I really love that song. I think I still prefer the album version though.

i hadn't heard it for a couple of years, at least. i didn't know which song it was going to be but i think i may have to go find the album now...

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

Bloody hell. We had to go down to the police station(who weren't very helpful at all) with my dads driving license after waiting an age and getting a few bits of shopping and putting on his lottery we got another taxi up the road.

After going past Hamilton Grammar School a car drove right through the crossroads almost going straight into the passenger side of the car (where my dad was in the front). Luckily the taxi driver was aware and he stopped straight away and the car didn't hit(who also stopped)
After a few expletives by the taxi driver and asking my dad if he was ok we drove on and my dad told him about what happened the other day.
I've told him he must have some great luck to avoid being hurt again and to put more lines on the lottery!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

OK, I should do some work. I'm so bored and edgy I'm actually succumbling to trollbait when I should be ignoring. When you KNOW that someone is trying to wind you up, it's usually easier to walk away. I've had too much sugar.

Being dogged and stubborn and not knowing when to walk away from a fite is one of my more negative long-standing personality traits, but it's one that I've been trying to change for ages.

But I suppose I'd even rather have actual disagreement than people who think that an argument should not exist, and rather than just ignoring it, they will spambomb and zing it out of existence.

I am just a broken person. I will never have a relationship again, so all I can do in relationship threads is pin-point where past relationships went wrong. :-(

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:58 (eighteen years ago)

x-post, argh! I always confuse the Cheese and the Tittle of Yorke. I like them both. The Tittie of Yorke is the one with the faux-medieval hall with little dining booths off it, yes?

Jeez, that's a scary thing to happen again so soon.

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:59 (eighteen years ago)

ooh euromillions £66million this friday! (yes yes this is where you all point and laugh.) (i have never done a euromillions ticket, is it the same as uk ones?)

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 11:59 (eighteen years ago)

The odds are much much worse and the french always win

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

You're on £5 a day, and you're still paying the stupidity tax? Come on!

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:04 (eighteen years ago)

(It is a french scam run by Français des Jeux)

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

yes Kate, CoY faux medieval bit is nice, but I much prefer the extensive, dimly lit labyrinthine whitewashed tunnels of the cellar bar.

Easy to remember: you hear the Fleet in the Cheshire Cheese coz it's in Fleet Street. CoY is in High Holborn but is quite a way down past the sushi place and the Old Red Lion. It is v close to Chancery Lane station.

New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

well no, i'm not, i don't remember last time i did a lottery. but look at my horoscope! from yesterday! it says i will be rich soon! how will i get rich if i don't do the lottery?

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

I can never remember which artery is Fleet Street and which is Holborn and which pub is on which. I'm good with concepts - there is a pub on that road that crosses the river Fleet, there is a pub which is on the other road that runs parallel which is faux medievil - but hopeless at trying to remember the names.

Also explains why I'm fairly competent with regards to grammar, but hopeless with spelling.

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:09 (eighteen years ago)

You won't get rich if everyone with the same horoscope wins as well!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

Being dogged and stubborn and not knowing when to walk away from a fite is one of my more negative long-standing personality traits, but it's one that I've been trying to change for ages.

It is good to see this, not in a haha U = RONG way, but because it does seem sometimes that you try to grab negative traits of yours and declare them to be fundamental.

I am just a broken person. I will never have a relationship again, so all I can do in relationship threads is pin-point where past relationships went wrong. :-(

Er yeah, like this.

(this sounds completely patronising, doesn't it? Sorry)

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, you're right, Andrew, it does sound totally patronising.

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 12:45 (eighteen years ago)

My dad got a call. A lot of damage.
The front wheel, wing, bumper,lights,door etc are all completely bust and have to be replaced. They said he won't get his car back until about the 19th of February. The wing and door will also need to be resprayed which means the rest of that side of the car needs it too so it's the same colour.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

kaet we are on the magic cheap list.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

I've just been measuring Marmite hexagons (this isn't their real name, but they are Marmite branded biscuits ven though they don't particularly taste of Marmite). I didn't even know of their existence until a few minutes ago! But my Production Editor had brought a box into the office coz her kids didn't like them. as soon as I picked the biscuit up I noticed something was not quite right about it. The oddness manifested itself to me in a flash -assymetry! A scientific experiment was clearly called for....

Marmite Hexagons: Their Assymetry Revealed

Aims: To determine the extent of the asymmetry of a Marmite hexagon.

Apparatus: Marmite hexagon, ruler.

Method: The ruler was used to measure the length of each side of the Marmite hexagon in turn.

Results:

Side Measured Length (cm) Length (inches)*

1st 3 1.181

2nd 3.4 1.339

3rd 3 1.181

4th 3.5 1.378

5th 3.2 1.260

6th 3.4 1.339

Total perimeter 19.5 7.677

* Note: rounded to 3 decimal places.

Discussion: The results of my survey are quite interesting. The example I tried was indeed quite asymmetric. However, a sample size where n = 1 is not considered significant and so further investigations will be necessary to determine whether or not the Marmite hexagon was asymmetric merely as the result of a faulty production process or if this is the intended shape.

Acknowledgements: I wish to thank Sally M**** and Kirsten B****** for their kind assistance in facilitating this interesting experiment.

New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

That is the funniest thing I've read on ILX in a while, Mark! Ha ha ha!

Excellent, Emsk. I like magic.

Kerr, are they going to provide a courtesy car while your dad's is in the shop, or do such things not exist in Glasgow?

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

Marmite = a mystery to me. It's like Bovril.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

Fascinating! If it was just a regular hexagon with one side damaged, you'd expect the edge between the two shortest edges to be the longest, but far from it!

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

Marmite's inherent disgustingness is part of what makes it so funny.

The assymmetry of the biscuits clearly mirrors their marketing campaign that you either love it or hate it, and different strokes for different hexagons.

Fire and Worms (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)

MARMITE FELL FROM HEAVEN

HATAZ BE HATIN

(bovril is gross though)

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

I like both!

is it really true that they've made bovril vegetablearian? How can this be? Surely it isn't bovril any more, but herbvil.

New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

Isn't herbvil one of the things that they try to sell by SPAM?

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

My knowledge of Bovril = what football coaches in Yorkshire allegedly drank on the sidelines in the 1930s to keep warm.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

Well, in true Stephen Fry-ish QI fashion I don’t agree with the assertion that you either love Marmite or you hate it (the same argument has been applied to Morrissey and that’s not true either).


I think it is all to do with the marmite:butter ratio on your slice of bread or toast. For maximal gastronomic pleasure there should be a marbled effect with alternating streaks of Marmite and butter. Marmite haters were probably presented with a slice of bread with a veritable oil slick of Marmite in their youth and were rightly traumatised.

Take the butter out of the equation (q.v. Twiglets) and confusion reigns…

New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

Apologies for appearing out of nowhere to use this thread to vent, but...

After a hellish week last week, spending a few days thinking my next small mistake would be my last, our MD appears today after a business trip. He's in a bad mood and nails me with two zingers before 11am.

Then after lunch he calls me in and says a) the promised "development" of more interesting work for me is essentially not going to happen (as a consequence of being acquired by Italo-Austrians), and b) I am getting a pretty big raise (did he really say 25%? gulp - the logic is clear, isn't it?)

This is all partially precipitated by one of my colleagues, who was so upset by our hell week that he found another job offer in one day and wrote our boss that he was considering quitting. And the MD's snippiness today has now *convinced* him that we/he are being persecuted. So it's entirely possible that the upshot of this is that I end up doing his boring work as well as mine.

(Hi everyone. I prefer http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/45/Branston_smallchunk_pickle.jpg)

i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

(Blech. HTML failure. A sure sign that I should go home. That was supposed to be a jar of Branston's and my one token nod to thread continuity.)

i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)

Branstons. Ugh. The sole vile contributor to the pickle world.

New Mark H (New MarkH), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

Recommend me what's better and I'll get someone to bring me a jar from London. (Indian pickles do not count, dear friends.)

i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

I can picture the bottle sitting on my shelf at home, but not the name. Also I can give you some home made.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

No courtesy car as my dad didn't take out that option on his insurance. So it would be £20 a day and he wouldn't even take it out of the driveway incase it got damaged.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, that sucks. I think if anything, I'm less careful with rentals coz I know they're insured to the gills! But I haven't driven in years.

Do you think I can do an entire day's work in an hour, or will ILX prove too distracting?

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

Not if ILX is as boring as it's been lately (then again a lot of the threads I just never read whereas you might be different)

Kate did you like those Jesu tracks? or Titan or Vocokesh and whatever I sent you in the last week?

Oh and the new Dinosaur Jr album just leaked, interested?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

ILX has been *on fire* today, but that might just be me and the sort of things I'm interested in. I was expecting to have an utterly awful day on ILX, but things have evolved in an interesting and insightful way which has made me very very involved and happy.

But I'm sure that the thread(s) that have provided me with such delight have been utterly teeth-gnashing for others. Though, thankfully those gnashing their teeth have kept their displeasure from interfering with our pleasure in the usual ways.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:38 (eighteen years ago)

ed are you coming for indian veg?

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

Now I'm hungry. But I'll be in London soon! :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

I am coming to indian veg.

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

So shall we just meet at Ed's and walk up together, Emsk?

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)

yep. 7.15/7.30ish?

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

No, I shall get out of work about 6.30, so about 6.45/7-ish.

All this would be easier if you would check yr email more often, Ed!

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

Argh, I am starting to get scratchy-throated, but that could just be the boss's cigars. :-(

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not sitting on my vibrator.

citricidal all round

Ed (dali), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

ok i may be a bit late, i am going to chats palace now to pick up my veg, back here then i'll get changed and head straight out. i may be there by 7 but not before.

emsk ( emsk), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

I want indian veg! That'll help sort my cold out if nothing else. Hmm, maybe I should just go make a curry.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:00 (eighteen years ago)

Ha ha! I've just made a curry, AND I'm ill! Fear my l33t c00k1n9 $k111z.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

My dad can't walk very far and is in pain when he walks(needs a stick) and relies on the car.

Kerr, was just thinking: Does your Dad know about this - if he has difficulty getting around (or is over 60, which I'm assuming due to your age that he's probably not far off it, I may be wrong, if so apologies to your Dad, not that he's reading this), then there's no need for all this "taxis everywhere" malarkey. My mum was positively ecstatic at turning 60 so she could get hers.

The front wheel, wing, bumper,lights,door etc are all completely bust and have to be replaced. They said he won't get his car back until about the 19th of February. The wing and door will also need to be resprayed which means the rest of that side of the car needs it too so it's the same colour.

Doesn't matter how much work needs done, it still won't cost him more than £150. Hopefully not having his car back for a few days will allow him to repair his confidence - you said he wouldn't be driving even if he'd got a courtesy car, so I'm guessing he wouldn't be driving this one either?

Also, and I know this is trivial, they won't need to respray the entire side of the car to match it up, unless it's some super-unusual colour that they can't get anymore and they are doing the mended bits in a different colour, in which case they'd have to respray the entire car or one side would be different. (Trivial because I can't see why the garage would be telling you a load of shite when it's not you paying for it is anyone's guess - perhaps it's just ingrained in mechanics/panelbeaters to make up extra jobs that don't need doing just in case anyone's gullible enough to fall for it).

Not if ILX is as boring as it's been lately (then again a lot of the threads I just never read

So how do you know it's boring, eh? I'm very much enjoying ILX just now, but possibly for very different reasons from others.

I am eating salads and being healthy this week. I'm going to the GYM later. Possibly.

ailsa (ailsa), Wednesday, 7 February 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)

OK, so I didn't go to the gym. I'll go on the way to work instead. Healthy eating will last until someone suggests going to a pub and drinking beer with me (since other half is having an alcohol-free month, the freak).

ailsa (ailsa), Thursday, 8 February 2007 00:53 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks ailsa, They both do indeed have the bus pass. But unfortunately having to walk to the bus stop then again to get a bus back is a bit too much for my dad. My mum uses her pass to get back from my grans when it's her turn to stay over.

Talking about my gran , we got some good news today.
She's 93 and sleeps most of the time(possibly due to her stroke 25 years ago which afterwards she started to fall sleep a lot and has got worse over time), but is mentally all there and chirpy when she is awake. She is housebound though. She can't even go up to my aunts for xmas dinner anymore despite that being just up the road. Travelling in a car makes her feel sick. Plus she cant climb stairs to get to the bathroom. She can barely get about on her zimmer frame.

Anyway, she has been breathless a lot recently and before xmas an appointment was made at Monklands and she taken down to the hospital for an ECG and x-rays. They had said then she has heart failure, but that wasn't necessarily something to be worried about. They also gave her water tablets as they thought it might be water causing the problems.
So she was back down today and they said her heart was strong and there was no failure. And that it indeed was water that was the problem (caused by the curvature of her spine, which is caused by 20 years of sleeping in her chair during the day).
So hopefully these water tablets will help her. She was also relieved when they said she didn't need to come back down again. She actually dreads having to go out. My mum is beginning to think she might even be agoraphobic as she's so used to not going out.

But the news her heart is strong cheered everyone up. Some unexpected good news. I bet everyone's glad now she did go to the appointment.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 01:21 (eighteen years ago)

If only we could get her one of those walk-in baths to help her things would be much better.
The one thing about being 93 is my gran hasn't been able to read for a good few years now(and im pretty sure she cant see the tv either but she would never say so) and I know she misses reading a lot. It's the one thing she does miss. Shes frail and not the way she was when I was younger when she used to play cricket with me in the back garden haha.
But she's happy enough, especially as she has 3 great grandchildren who everyone adores.

It's funny, last year I was saying that it's a shame her council doesn't offer the digital hearing aids that some do as obviously her hearing isn't too great. And my gran, told everyone that actually she had been deaf in one ear since she was about 12. No one knew that!
My mum's jaw dropped, my gran had never told anyone. My aunt and uncle didn't know either. Just so typical of my gran to never tell anyone that something was wrong and never complain.
Nowadays she's under strict orders to tell someone if she's unwell after having a small heart attack 5 years ago after having chest pains for a few days(she thought it was heartburn).

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 01:22 (eighteen years ago)

Morning there. My throat feels like it's been sandpapered.

Your gran sounds like an amazing person, Kerr!

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 8 February 2007 09:07 (eighteen years ago)

Welcome to the club.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 February 2007 09:09 (eighteen years ago)

My mum is beginning to think she might even be agoraphobic as she's so used to not going out.

My father is a bit like that, although in his case it's as much pride as anything - doesn't like going out because he can't drive himself, sometimes walking problems, feels like he doesn't have anything to talk about, etc. Kind of a vicious circle, though - not going out makes him uncomfortable when he does, etc. etc.

i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Thursday, 8 February 2007 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

Now I'm hungry. But I'll be in London soon! :-)

brrr ned you would hate it here this morming. SNOW! yeeha! freezing cold!

emsk ( emsk), Thursday, 8 February 2007 10:33 (eighteen years ago)

hi dere i want to click L O S T thread so bad plz 2 stop me

teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Thursday, 8 February 2007 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

I can't see why the garage would be telling you a load of shite when it's not you paying for it is anyone's guess - perhaps it's just ingrained in mechanics/panelbeaters to make up extra jobs that don't need doing just in case anyone's gullible enough to fall for it

Insurance job = garage prints money. The garage tries to do as much much as possible while the insurer pressures them to do as little as possible. As long as Kerr's dad doesn't accept a less than perfect repair it remains their problem.

Ailsa's right that they shouldn't need to do the whole side of the car. They should be able to match the colour and wash it out onto the remaining old panels so that you won't be able to see a difference (unless you're a spray painter in which case you can spot the repair a mile off).

case of the mutual heart friendship (onimo), Thursday, 8 February 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

I am also not getting L O S T.

case of the mutual heart friendship (onimo), Thursday, 8 February 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

I'm getting it, just won't be able to watch til after work. I promise not to torment you for the next few days...

teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Thursday, 8 February 2007 10:45 (eighteen years ago)

If only we could get her one of those walk-in baths to help her things would be much better.

What are the council saying about this? My great-aunt got her entire bathroom turned into a wet room after a fall a couple of years ago, in fact IIRC it was done within a couple of weeks.

Tip: Councils always have money to spend this time of year, they're been frugal all year round and are heading for underspending their budgets, which they can't afford to do because they would get cut next year, so they're more than willing to accrue a lot of bills in Feb/early March. Never wondered why so many roads get fixed then, despite it being the worst weather conditions for doing it?

I don't know whether to play the trumpet, read a book or be a lesbian. (aldo_cow, Thursday, 8 February 2007 11:13 (eighteen years ago)

My wife's mum used to work for whatever the council branch was that sorted this kind of thing out. Aldo's right, they'll get it sorted in no time - find the right department, phone them, tell them you have a very old almost house bound woman who needs help with bathing and/or other stuff. They'll come round and do an assessment and you'll probably find they can help her in many other ways beyond the walk in bath.

(caveat: there are a couple of seriously skint councils around that are struggling to make it to the next FY so you might be unlucky)

case of the mutual heart friendship (onimo), Thursday, 8 February 2007 11:19 (eighteen years ago)

(caveat: there are a couple of seriously skint councils around that are struggling to make it to the next FY so you might be unlucky)

This is true, substitute "traditionally" for "always" in my post.

I don't know whether to play the trumpet, read a book or be a lesbian. (aldo_cow, Thursday, 8 February 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

Very glad to hear that your gran's heart is healthy, Kerr. That is good news.

Snow snow snow snow snow! Hurrah! I am so pleased about the snow.

Today the randon transient ache is in my neck and shoulders. Argh. This is probably the result of too much shoegazing last night.

Kontacte were very very good, enjoyed them muchly, really liked that sort of feathery guitar/VCS3 sound that was drzzled like all over them like syrup.

Air Formation were also good, but they were really just a straight tribute band - The Pale Slowdive or something. Enjoyable, and I do like that kind of music, but they really did bring nothing new to it. But it's highly derivative of a style of music I really love, so I enjoyed it.

Also quite randomly ran into Mr. Amp. Well, perhaps not so randomly as it was a shoegazer club. But it was still good.

I've got to do some calligraphy for work today. The strange things that get dumped on me! Ah well, I enjoy it.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

Ooh, I've just asked for a gig at a shoegazer club. They will probably say no, but at least I have asked.

I mean, that band I asked to audition for last month, they said no, but now we are gone from MySpace friends to chatting at gigs friends which is good.

I need to lose the fear of people saying no. It's not that bad, after the initial disappointment.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

It's good that you've asked, definitely.

Last night, after FOURTEEN years of playing guitar, I finally learned how to put on new strings in the *right* way (that is, in a way that doesn't take 2 hours, leave my fingers all sore, and necessitate another 2 hours to take 'em off). Um, I'm a big idiot. I always dread changing my strings 'cause it's such an ordeal--only last night, k urged me to look on the internets for 'string-changing techniques', and I did. And it's so easy! What the hell was I doing? At a certain point, someone told me the wrong way, and I'd stuck with that forever. I feel like such a tool.

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:04 (eighteen years ago)

What's the wrong way?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

Well, they're interested, so I just sent them "Noyfriend" and "Just Like Friends" because I had described us as being "like Stereolab/Lush texturepop with a NEU!/Jesus and Mary Chain beat festish".

Which I think is perfectly fair, if you are listening to the music, rather than looking at the presentation onstage. (This has been one of the constant annoyances, that people in the blogosphere who had only ever heard us, tend to come up with things like "Stereolab" and "Jesus and Mary Chain" and even "Chapterhouse" once (yay!) - but people who have seen us tend to go "ooh, P1p3tt3s" based on what we looked like.)

Anyway, how had you been putting on strings? I freaking hate changing strings, so I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong!

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

The way I was doing it: pull string through little hole at the top of guitar, usually tie a knot to make it stay, wrap and wrap and wrap it around the little tower thing, then tighten the winder until it's in key.

The way I'm doing it now.

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

Changing strings ONCE A MONTH?!?!? Are you crazy?

I don't like that initial brightness sound in strings, it just sounds too clear and chimy. I like the sound of dirty strings.

I figured out the "let the string catch and hold itself against the direction of turning" thing a while ago. But stretching the string gently before tuning it up all the way is a good idea.

Well, it seems they like the songs. Now to see if I get the gig! And then - eep - finding a band to play it with me. Might be easier to convince certain people if it's a one-off, but others have said previously that they are up for doing it. Who knows! I know I can do gigs just with laptop and guitar and me, but I'd rather not.

Eep, this is nerve-wracking. I feel like I'm approaching a horse that has bucked me off before.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

Is ILX stupid slow and keeps timing out for anyone else this morning? Is it the snow?

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

Changing strings ONCE A MONTH?!?!? Are you crazy?

Yes, that is a bit much. That reminds me to buy some strings this weekend!

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, it keeps timing out for me too.

I've had the same set of stings on my bass for as long as I can remember, 3 years at least. Guitars get changed a bit more often, though.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

xpost Yeah, here too. Must be the snow.

No way do I change the strings once a month. More like every six months. But mostly that's because of my aforementioned ph34r of doing it.

Nice! (That they like the songs.) I'm on record offering my meager guitar or bass skills to any K8 project.

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

Can you play shoegazer style guitar with lots of effects pedals?

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe rhythm. Just play the same note/chord for hours on end, innit.

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

Back to the car thing.

If the paint is metallic or worse pearlescent then paint repair can often involve a whole side repaint or a blend up the body to make the paint look uniform. Pearlescent always does or you'll get a discontinuity where shiny flakes don't line up so you have to paint up to a natural discontinuity.

When buying a car always try to get plain paint. Metallic paint is a scam.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

i don't think there's only one right way to string a guitar. I just cut the string so there's 2 pegs worth (on a Fender type h/stock) past the post, hold it thru the hole and do a right-angle bend. Then hold the end tight against the peg with one hand and wind like crazy with the other until you get a couple of turns on. Continue winding until it's at pitch. Then try and get as much slack out as possible by running your fingers under the string and pulling it clear of the fretboard down to about fret 3 or 4. Do this a few times, retuning between each pull and you should be set. When the whole set is on, I usually beat the shit out of the strings for a few minutes to get any further slack out - lots of aggressive bends and trem-arm (if fitted) usually sorts it out.

I put a set of 11s on the Jazzmaster at the weekend (why do they ship them with 09s??) and it's rock solid - no rattles, keeps tune after whammying like mad. The action went a bit higher with the extra tension, so that needed sorting, but overall I'm v.happy.

I prob change strings every 3-4 months.

Norm - I sent you an email re : something you said. I ws hoping to be helpful, but rereading it, I may not have been very. If so, sorry. Hope all's well.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 8 February 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

The Marmite hexagon experimentation mentioned upthread appears to be generating an unprecedently large corpus of follow-up research. This just in....


There's another variable: The hexagons may be perfect when cut, but the heating/cooking process causes distortion - which is not the same as it being a faulty process. Maybe you should actually be studying the average deviation from the perfect hexagon shape due to the application of heat - after having visited the factory to check that the 'raw' hexagons are, in fact, true symmetrical hexagons.

New Mark H (New MarkH), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

That's like 'quarter-pounders' at mcd's. It's weight pre-cooking.

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

I just wonder how they are cut, then. Are they stamped out? Maybe in a tiling sort of way? Or cut off in segments from a hexagonal tube?

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

My strings are now at least 15 years old on the Gretsch. I have new ones, just need the inclination.

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

I change my strings either when they snap, or when they get so dirty that they leave stains on my fingers after playing. (Though boiling is better for that.)

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

People still boil guitar strings?

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

More bass strings than guitar strings. I mean, what are we supposed to do? put them in the dishwasher?

I think this idea of A Gig has focused me in a way that I wasn't feeling before. I think it was the right idea. I suddenly feel an urge to sort things out and finish things up in a way I wasn't before.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

Do people still boil dirty underwear?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

Bass strings yes, my brother used to do that, not underwear tho

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

I hear they have mechanical machines for the boiling of underwear! Located in these marvellous palaces of cleanliness called YE LAUNDERETTE!!!

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

There's prolly a rock 'n' roll laundrette in Camden where you can boil yr bass strings

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

i was talking about in a large pot on the cooker.
Like uncle albert did once on an episode of only fools and horses.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

Isn't that a Ramones song? Rock rock rock Rock'n'roll Laundrette.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

Uncle Albert played bass? I missed that episode. (xp)

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

YES! YES YES YES YES!!!! HURRAH!!!

::DOES HAPPY DANCE AROUND OFFICE::

I have the gig. Saturday March 3rd (phew, had to make sure it was a Saturday so it would not get mucked up in monthend) at Night of the Long Swords on Old Street. Supporting THE TELESCOPES!!!!!

I am the happiest girl in the world.

I've got a month to pull it together. That is the focus that I need. I feel scared and excited - but I also feel very inspired.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

.. and "ah go boil yr bass strings" is the line from the movie Dee Dee had most trouble with. xpost.

Whoa!

So start up that new thread with the news!

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

WELL DONE KATE!

New Mark H (New MarkH), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

Waiting to see if I can pull together enough ex-Shimuras to call it a Shimura Curves IV gig or if it will be a solo gig.

::bounce::

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

Shimura Curves IV !

Cattus Shoegazicuss!

mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:33 (eighteen years ago)

What is it with all these bands reforming these days?
Next Shimura Curves will be playing with JAMC as support acts to The Smashing Pumpkins.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

NICE ONE!

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

Fuck a smashing pumpkin, but supporting the JAMC, reformed or not, would be my wet dream.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

Jim and Douglas, entwined, sniffing one another's necks, leaning shagged-out together on the mikestand-type support?

Woot! Yay Kate! This = fun and the best news I've heard since Stansted reopened. ;-)

suzy (suzy), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

I saw the Smashing Pumpkins on the melon collie tour(dunno why I never saw em before cuz they were one of my faves). Was a great gig. Never went after that as I didn't care much for the last 2 albums*

*Ned will say otherwise.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

Behave yourself!

OK, this is even better! It's actually at the Windmill! Hurrah! I love the Windmill, it's my local and I know that the soundman will be nice and good.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

I feel all tingly. Or that could be the caterpillar scary sponge roll white chocolate face thing's sugar rush hitting me quite hard.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

Eeep! A & L said they would love to do the gig, but that they are going to India that day. Eep, OK, I really am on mine own on this, but I can do it.

Gooblar, how are you on harmony vocals? I need singerz.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

I actually saw JAMC support primal Scream in Glasgow one of the times i saw them in the late 90s.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

How ironic!

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

JAMC support primal Scream

Uh, cosmic injustice.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah Bobby dedicated a song to J&W and thanked them (presumably for telling him not to stick at that drumming malarkey).

case of the mutual heart friendship (onimo), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

Cosmic or comic, either will do

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

This is good:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6ogWgG0UOY

(apart from "an English band")

case of the mutual heart friendship (onimo), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

Grand Funk Mary Chain?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

wtf at the bassist.
Is that you dada?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

Shit, I think I've got unchangeable plans for 3/3 (Birthday of someone that is coming down from Glasgow 'specially to celebrate her birthday).

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

OK, I'm fucked. I've asked one more person who has said in the past that she would do something with me. Argh. Excitement turning to panic.

I've done solo shows before. Actually, I fucking hate getting onstage by myself, it's horrible. Eep! Maybe I should cancel and tell them half the band are going to India that day.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

You're not fucked. You can totally do a solo show and it will totally be awesome.

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

Kinda hard doing harmony vocals by myself.

Unless I record them to the computer and sing along with the laptop... hrmmmm. No, that's totally lame and karaoke. Isn't it?

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe get people to kid on they're playing stuff on stage?

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

use a vocoder?

Pashmina (Pashmina), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.pub.umich.edu/daily/1998/apr/04-07-98/photos/fileartsmillivanilli.gif

case of the mutual heart friendship (onimo), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

Borrow robots from Kraftwerk? Dress them up as Shimura Curves.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

I'm going to this tonight!

http://www.the-zodiac.co.uk/bandpics/britpopside2webflyer.gif

New Mark H (New MarkH), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

Darn, I read that as DJ LOLZ and I was totally "OMFG SO AM I!"
Then I reread it, and deecided I'm gonna stay home and watch L O S T.

teh_kit never wins (g-kit), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

Errr, Shoegaze and Britpop were the antithesis of each other! WTF?

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

I thought it was DJ LOLZ too

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

Errr, Shoegaze and Britpop were the antithesis of each other! WTF?

But Ride, Boo Radleys and Lush were both!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 15:59 (eighteen years ago)

No they weren't! Two of those bands (ride and Lush) put out lame britpop albums towards the end of their careers. Boo Radleys straddled the line, but they were quite late to the shoegaze scene, second or third wave.

Yay! FMM says she will play THE SILVER MACHINE on drones and wubbulations for me. Awesomeness.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

Awesomeness! We are discussing wearing robes or capes or German Engineering Studen Pr0n outfits.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

Robes.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

On My trip today I bought a spade and some saturn orange spray paint, now I need reflective strips.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

Ed, do you fancy lip-synching on mandolin?

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

Only if I can take the strings off.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

Electrified spade, too, perhaps? Nearly as good as singing saw.

ACtually, FMM said she was going to start learning singing saw!

You don't need to take the strings off if you are just playing drones. Tune them all to the same pitch or fifths and just jangle along.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

I'll think about it.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

Bear in mind I don't think I have any weekends between now and the third of march apart from the last one in feb.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

We are only going to do one or two rehearsals, and probably on weeknights.

Though aren't you planting trees on the last weekend in Feb?

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

If I still had my balalaika I'd offer my services

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

that is true, February is the short month.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, man, a balalaika would have been great.

You don't have to play on all the songs, Ed. You can stick to just the really easy droney twinkly ones. And, like, press play on the laptop for the others or something.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

It was fucking LOUD, that balalaika!

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

This sounds fun!

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

I have just found out that I have won a free ticket to the Britpop nite!

Asia and I are meeting my mum at Victoria on Saturday and my mum is going to give me a leaflet on New River walks, after which I will revive the rolling walking thread!

New Mark H (New MarkH), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

New River walks sound awesome! Britpop night not so awesome, but hey, Loz is a great guy, apparently.

I have had too much sugar. I must stop saying "Awesome!" to everything.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

UH:

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/dgoobl/trafficlight.jpg

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

Eh, what on earth is that? I'm scared. What if you wear purple?

I'm going to NOTLS on Saturday anyway. Eep, they've updated their website already to say that "Shimura Curves" are playing so I guess it's out of the bag. FMM is a former Curve so that's OK.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

It's official. Might be able to come out Saturday, but probably shouldn't (due to money, work to do, etc.).

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

This Saturday? It's FREEEEEEEE! To get in. You can always specialise if you are skint and still want to drink.

I will be needing to get out of the house in the midst of the three day recording binge I have planned.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

OK, that does make it more attractive, it must be said.

g00blar (gooblar), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

Also, as stated on the other thread, Hocus Pocus by Focus!

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

Ooh, one of my faves, tho I prob. prefer "Sylvia"

Tom D. (Dada), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

OK, that Garfield thread...

Do NOT try to read it at work. You will laugh too hard. And then your boss may come over and ask for the joke and you look like a mentalist.

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:56 (eighteen years ago)

I have a couple of Focus lps i bought 2nd hand in the late 90s.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

Why is it the last 15 minutes of work are always the longest?

Oh man am I looking forward to my long weekend.

You lot behave yourselves while I'm gone, ya hear? ;-)

Probability Smear Of Possible Quantum Katehood (kate), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

While the Kates away....

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy (Kerr), Thursday, 8 February 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

So what did you guys think of the game last . . .

*explosion, leaving no trace of JB behind*
*Kate grins maniacally as she hides the detonator*

(only kidding Kate, we love you really!)

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Thursday, 8 February 2007 19:01 (eighteen years ago)

OK, I have finally properly heard winehouse doing rehab and it is as genius as emsk has been banging on about.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 February 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

I dunno about genius. As I said at the party, she's just got a motown/northern soul backing track and sung (albeit impressivly) over the top sans tune but plus a "no no no" hook. I don't get it. It's not bad, and iut's quite catchy, but it certainly isn't all that, no.

Johnney B English (stigoftdump), Thursday, 8 February 2007 21:40 (eighteen years ago)

The horn line is whack though. It is not tight, loose and flabby, lacks punch.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 8 February 2007 21:41 (eighteen years ago)

(Good?) Morning all.

Cold, tired, foggy-minded, papers to mark, tutorials to teach.

You?

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 9 February 2007 09:33 (eighteen years ago)

Fluey and at home, not sure if camping this weekend is a good idea, major suckage.

Ed (dali), Friday, 9 February 2007 09:41 (eighteen years ago)

Sucks, indeed.

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 9 February 2007 09:43 (eighteen years ago)

Morning there. Argh, I wish my throat would clear itself up.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Friday, 9 February 2007 09:47 (eighteen years ago)

Ed, you need to get some Airborne or something. Always with the flu!

suzy (suzy), Friday, 9 February 2007 09:49 (eighteen years ago)

Suzy, did your Grauniad supplement come out yet?

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 9 February 2007 09:56 (eighteen years ago)

I've got citircidal, what the hell is airborne?

Ed (dali), Friday, 9 February 2007 09:57 (eighteen years ago)

Amerkin, innit.

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 9 February 2007 09:58 (eighteen years ago)

Airborne is a great big WHACKING dose of vitamin C and minerals that is good to take before a flight or when you're coming down with something. It's also why I did not get an airplane cold this holiday season. Ally was talking about it a few days ago?

OMG just saw cutest thing ever: Nick's rabbit just STRETCHED and YAWNED.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 9 February 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

after the WDYLL thread I don't wish to know that.

Ally n I are doing cookie trading, maybe I get her to slip me some airborne.

Ed (dali), Friday, 9 February 2007 10:07 (eighteen years ago)

What, where people were mistaking a hairy knee for a schlong? Pffft, hivemind, you're really spoiling me innit.

No, Baker the ATAK LARBIT stood up on tiptoe and THEN stretched each of its little leggies and did a big yawn. It is teh CUET.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 9 February 2007 10:12 (eighteen years ago)

Go and do something exciting and berliny.

Ed (dali), Friday, 9 February 2007 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

Or at least watch UK Watercooler 22 Paths of the Sephiroth.

Wimminzar is discussing the dangers of Myspace.

Ed (dali), Friday, 9 February 2007 10:14 (eighteen years ago)

I'm waiting for Blogger's Hour to finish. Not every day I get to hang out with an Atak Larbit though.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 9 February 2007 10:15 (eighteen years ago)

I do not care to discuss Myspace because it turns all its hardcore female users into their Junior High version of themselves ie. NOT GOOD.

suzy (suzy), Friday, 9 February 2007 10:18 (eighteen years ago)

It is the pencil case and file front, writ large.

Ed (dali), Friday, 9 February 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

I'm unsure how much I'll be on here this afternoon as I have tons to do, but I just thought I'd say, if you guys are at a loose end on Monday nite, then go see Fanfarlo at the Old Queen's Head 44 Essex Road, Islington. I'll be heading up to London after work. Fanfarlo are my mate Simon's band and they have recently expanded their line up with Amos (whom some of you know i think) from Tompaulin on drums. Fanfarlo are signed to Matinee and they are great! The gig is also a launch do for their single. They have myspace, natch:

www.myspace.com/fanfarlo

The pub is a short walk from Angel station. I have never been there before. Anyone familiar with it?

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 9 February 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

I know it

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 9 February 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

Good?

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 9 February 2007 12:26 (eighteen years ago)

'S alright

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 9 February 2007 12:26 (eighteen years ago)

Folks I need some help and advice. I’m posting this here so that I don’t get ridicule and picture spam which a new thread might attract.

I’m very worried that I am going mad, or at least undergoing some kind of personality change that I can’t control and don’t understand. Over the last few weeks I have started to think and behave out of character for some reason. This last week has been very bad. This is the first time that I have ever felt this way, I have no history of mental illness or depression, and I’m beginning to get frightened about where it might lead.

There are a number of facets to this. First I feel that there’s a sort of barrier to me enjoying *anything*. Suddenly I don’t want to play sport anymore. I am desperate to get out of music commitments – I have a gig in Brighton in a couple of weeks and a recording session and I’m just desperate to get out of them – for no good reason really. I just want to stay at home. I constantly have that ‘post-exams’ feeling when, once the adrenalin has gone, you just feel empty and lethargic. I feel I have nothing left to give anymore. I do feel physically exhausted too, and have lost some weight.

I’m also becoming obsessed with ‘settling my affairs’. My mind keeps racing through lists of things that I need to do or to tell people as if I wouldn’t be here tomorrow. I keep thinking ‘this might be the last time I walk down this street or talk to person X’. I am on autopilot at work because I keep telling myself things like ‘I won’t be here when that project finishes’. A couple of nights ago I couldn’t sleep because, for some reason, an argument I had with my sister about 20 years ago kept coming to mind. I haven’t thought about it for for years, and I’m sure that she hasn’t either. But the urge to phone her immediately to apologise was overwhelming. I even had the phone in my hand at 3 am. I keep thinking ‘do they (friends, family) KNOW how much I love them?’ Then I become anxious that I’ll forget to tell them.

I find myself becoming overwhelmed with emotion at the simplest thing. I saw a mum kissing her little daughter at the gates of the school behind my house this morning and I virtually burst into tears in the street. I wanted to tell her ‘please look after her’.

I can’t stress how out of character this is – normally I’m positive, busy and don’t dwell on things that I can’t do anything about. I always just get on with things. If anything I drive myself too hard and try to do too much. Maybe this is some kind of reaction to doing that for too long?

I haven’t really spoken to anyone about it, but I think I’ll have to. I’m wary – I don’t want to alarm those closest to me. The last thing they need is me to be debilitated or useless, or see me as weak and unable to cope. I know that it’s wrong to think like this, but I do. There’s no reason for me to be unhappy or unsettled really – things are going well and I thought I was happier than for years.

Any advice or thoughts would be welcome. I’m worried – I don’t just feel a bit down, I feel like I might run out of control at any moment, and I have never felt like this before. I don’t know what to do. Sorry.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 9 February 2007 12:27 (eighteen years ago)

Go and see yr GP.

When I suffered from some of the things you described i put off doing this for far too long. When I did finally go it sorted the problem.

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 9 February 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

Dr. C, my feeling is that these things do happen, and more often than most people let on. Like you, i'm a very positive, pragmatic, get-on-with-things type of person, but sometimes I'm just blindsided by incredible waves of inexplicable emotion: sadness, regret, fear, etc. My experience is that it does passes, but if you're worried that it won't (hell, even if you're not), I think it's definitely a good idea to talk about it.

Yes, with your GP would be good. But I think it would be helpful, and actually healthy in and of itself, to open up to those closest to you. This *is* you, and it's ok. It's not the emergence of another, strange, Dr. C. You can be your normal self, and still have these really frightening bouts of strangeness. It's worthwhile to accept that these things can happen, and talk about how to get through them in a way that leaves you more secure, less frightened, and more at peace. I think.

g00blar (gooblar), Friday, 9 February 2007 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

I know exactly where you are coming from, Dr C, I had a similar set to a couple of years ago, in part triggered off by the kid's ASD diagnosis and the scumbag neighbours I had trouble with. I went to see the GP, and wound up getting a course of some kind of anger/anxiety management threapy, which actually did make a big and lasting difference to/on me. I'd def. second the advice of seeing yr GP, and don't let them fob you off w/prozac, like mine tried to!

(also, I got yer email the other day, for which many, many thanks, my apologies for not replying yet)

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 February 2007 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

I'm really, really sorry that you're going through this, Dr C. It sounds frightening and awful.

I have been the recipient of one of those 3 o'clock in the morning apology telephone calls from a friend of mine, and I am currently helping him through a particularly difficult phase caused by a mixture of anxiety, financial worries and marital discord. I'd rather not discuss personal stuff on the net, but my email address works if you would like to talk privately.

Going to see your doctor is probably a very good idea, although I do think that overworked GPs tend to be a bit to quick off the mark to prescribe antidepressants rather than spend time getting to the heart of the problem - I think if it were me, I might be concerned about being immediately pigeonholed as 'stressed' or 'depressed'. I'm a great believer in talking things through if at all possible, like g00blar says.

C J (C J), Friday, 9 February 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

fob you off w/prozac

Hmm, that's what my doctor gave me and it seems to be working! If only I could get to sleep tho :(

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 9 February 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

My sister was prescribed prozac when she was depressed, and her experience was very bad, so I wasn't keen.

Pashmina (Pashmina), Friday, 9 February 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

apart from the lack of sleep, the only -ve side effect I noticed was that when I first started taking it my eyes became over-sensitive to light at night. Streetlamps, car headlights ect ect suddenly seemed piercingly brighter. It was a bit freaky but only lasted a couple of weeks.

I think a combination of counselling (be it by a professional or just your mates, or both) and meds is the way to go.

Opening up is defintiely the main thing tho - I was so pleased with how amazingly supportive everyone was (inc my boss) when i was depressed.

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 9 February 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

I don't have much to add, but a talking cure, even if you have to self finance it would be way preferable to a chemical panacea, particularly as you seem well aware that something is happening and is not right.

Ed (dali), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not knocking the use of drugs in psychiatric medicine, they have their place, but if you can avoid using them that would be the better way. (Same goes for all medicines really)

Ed (dali), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)

Best used to stabilise the situation, but not long-term

Tom D. (Dada), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

Last night I actually slept right through the night for the first time since I started the course of prozac. I am now easing off by taking it every other day rather than every day and will complete the course at the end of this month.

New Mark H (New MarkH), Friday, 9 February 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

sorry dr c :( that sucks. a lot of it sounds familiar too, especially this: I am on autopilot at work because I keep telling myself things like ‘I won’t be here when that project finishes’. i had this not just at work but in general, for the longest time, and i didn't even notice i was doing it for ages.

i dunno, i don't have any better advice than that offered above. don't feel that you shouldn't talk to people about this, including - especially, even - the people you have to be strong for.

emsk ( emsk), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

(in fact, i think this was exactly the *right* thread to discuss this on)

you might also start with a help line or crisis/counselling center - they may also just direct you to your GP, but you may be able to talk to someone "qualified" more quickly that way.

i'll mitya halfway (mitya), Friday, 9 February 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

Late here, perhaps, but my best, Dr. C -- I really have no practical advice and others have given much better on this thread. I strongly sense that you'll find a way through, though -- that much I can gather from six years of talking through this board, at least! Also -- speaking lightly perhaps! -- there's still that FAP for early March!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 9 February 2007 18:54 (eighteen years ago)

Best used to stabilise the situation, but not long-term

OTM. You wouldn't not take painkillers if you broke your leg - it's about managing the problem while it's there. It's not about ignoring it, but giving yourself some breathing space to allow you to deal with it in a more detached manner, without the "pain".

I'm not saying anything else on here, but I have emailed you.

ailsa (ailsa), Saturday, 10 February 2007 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

and we're back

Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

Indeed.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

Gonna take a while to get used to this

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:39 (eighteen years ago)

How will Kate cope with not being able to change her name?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

Ooooh, shiny! Everything's too far apart though, very odd.

I've just found the "How to use HTML" cheat sheet at the bottom! Cool!

I'm sure changing your name is on the to-do list, tho.

The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:42 (eighteen years ago)

Will we get a new poll with each new watercooler thread? What crazy questions and answers will Kate come up with?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:00 (eighteen years ago)

HI WATERCOOLER!

Safari (and Firefox, I think) users: Apple minus is nuILX's friend.

G00blar, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:31 (eighteen years ago)

Hi everyone!

i've ran out of nice coffee, so all that's left is nasty stuff from the machine, and I've also run out of orange juice - waaaaaah! So I'm a little more tired than usual, and will continue to be so until lunchtime when I can go and get supplies.

What's apple minus?

The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

Good morning bright new world.

Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:39 (eighteen years ago)

hello. i'm not even sure what my user name is until i post this.

Archel, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:53 (eighteen years ago)

ah. i'm me hurrah.!

Archel, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:53 (eighteen years ago)

Hello there!

Forest Pines, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:54 (eighteen years ago)

Well, how about this eh. You spend the day in the QE hospital, Gateshead, getting yr hadns & knees x-rayed, come back and everything's changed!

Pashmina, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:58 (eighteen years ago)

I know. I couldn't bloody believe it. No more kittenpix.

Forest Pines, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:58 (eighteen years ago)

there are always more kitten pix

Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:59 (eighteen years ago)

X-rayed? Did they find anything? (apart from your hands and knees, obviously)

The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:59 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm, the lack of x-post notification is gonna become v. annoying v. quickly.

The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:00 (eighteen years ago)

We got along fine for years without it.

Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:01 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe we should just add (xpost) to every single post

(xpost)

Forest Pines, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:02 (eighteen years ago)

We got along fine without tractors for years too.

xpost probably.

The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:02 (eighteen years ago)

I was happy with a pointy stick.

Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

You can have great fun with a pointy stick

*poke poke*

(xpost?)

Forest Pines, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe I would be if all I wanted to do was point at things.

The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:06 (eighteen years ago)

X-rayed? Did they find anything? (apart from your hands and knees, obviously)

The Wayward Johnny B on Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:59


It was my yearly rheumatoid arthritis check. I'm doing fine, I don't have to take medication anymore! The bad thing is everything there takes forever, I spent hours sitting in waiting room annexes, nothing to read, and the TVs showing endless reruns of "murder she wrote", gah.

Pashmina, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:10 (eighteen years ago)

[block]Maybe I would be if all I wanted to do was point at things.[/block]

And miss out on all those great poking opportunities?

Forest Pines, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

Arse. I am a pillock and cannot read.

Maybe I would be if all I wanted to do was point at things.


And miss out on all those great poking opportunities?

Forest Pines, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

Poll:

0: Poking
0: Pointing
0: Hitting

The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:38 (eighteen years ago)

Poking.

I must say this new version of ILX is much faster than the old one.

treefell, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

I am confused. What is this strange place? Where are we? What is happening? Thanks, Kerr, for grabbing me an account last night, but now I'm wondering... WHO WILL I BE?!?!?

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:36 (eighteen years ago)

you will be you for all eternity. Screen names went with the change unfortunately. There were something like 16 DB calls to display a page which was causing the server to blow blue smoke.

Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:41 (eighteen years ago)

I am kind of sad to lose all those lovely pictures of Julian Barratt.

But I suppose it's just an excuse to post some more! Hurrah!

http://www.thebooshisloose.co.uk/howtotellmiserable.jpg

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

this is very strange.

Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:11 (eighteen years ago)

You can always change your name if you have more than one email! Hurrah!

I had NO IDEA this was him. These adverts used to disturb the fuck out of me...

http://www.thebooshisloose.co.uk/almost.jpg


kate, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

OK, I think I may be feeling slightly cowed by the new format, and can't actually think of anything to say now.

Except my boss and my boss's boss are all away in Dubai playing golf with the High Flyers winners so it's not like I have to do anything here.

How am I going to get through the day? Am I going shoegazing tonight? I'm still feeling very tired and not sure if it's the last of the lurgy or having not taken iron tablets in weeks.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

Oooh. Helloooo!

suzy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

Kate is right you know

pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

She is! And i'm so glad all the white space from last night is gone. Looks oh so much better.

And remember everyone, for every Julian pic we get to talk about jazz....

Kerr, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

I hope all watercooler posters will now check in so we can see who they are!

Hey maybe all the lurkers who read regularly but don't post can now say hello!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

Eh? What am I right about? It's not nearly as bad as I was expecting from your dismal reviews last night, Kerr.

I just went back and read the Nathan Barley thread and the Mighty Boosh thread in their entirety. It's faintly hilarious how much I*hated* Dan Ashcroft when I first watched it, and slagged him off on the thread - and then on the MB thread started talking about how I had started fancying the "older, defeated one" not realising THEY WERE THE SAME PERSON.

Kind of like with Jared Harris in Igby Goes Down. Ah well.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:31 (eighteen years ago)

Right about the multiple emails and log ins.

Dismal reviews = white spaces which made it hard to read which has been magically sorted overnight. Hurrah!!

The only thing is I'm being asked to log in every post. Is anyone else getting that?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:33 (eighteen years ago)

No, I only get logged out every half hour or so.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)

Where is everyone? It's kinda like a ghost town around here.

The good news is, I got paid (or at least, will at midnight tonight when the money hits my account). The bad news is that even though I got a payrise, the pension payment has eaten up almost that exact same amount, so that my net paycheck is now £10 less than it was last year. Bah.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

OH well, Looks like I'll be staying with you when you're 65 then.

Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

So long as you still feed me (pancakes)!

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

I am actually going to get pancakes tonight. Hurrah!

Forest Pines, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

The keep-having-to-login thing is blummin annoyin as I have to fish around for my password. But the jump-back-to-where-you-left-off thing on each thread is brill.

I had an omlette sarnie and now it's raining.

DavidM, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:28 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not allowed pancakes again until Sunday. You know, cause you get Sundays off in Lent. Got to eat up all that maple syrup before it starts to taste of can*.

*Aluminium/tin can, not as in taste of beardy experimental Germans. I've no idea what beardy experimental Germans would taste like, but probably not very nice, either. Unless they actually had Mushroom Heads. That would be yummy.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

Are crumpets allowed on weekdays, because maple syrup on buttered crumpets is very good.

Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

I think your is tinned steel.

Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

Are they free range crumpets?

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

local and seasonal

Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)

I'm here, but trying (real hard) to be less ilxin' and more workin' these days. I've been seriously neglecting the PhD (not really because of internet time, but because of band stuff and teaching), and I'm trying to focus on not wasting so much time in between stuff I actually, you know, want to do with my life.

But but but I played BASS last night! I forgot how much FUN that is! The only problem is that the bass is a lot heavier than a guitar--I thought I threw my back out in a good (you know, metaphorical) way, but I fear I may have thrown my back out in the bad, actual way.

G00blar, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

Actually one thing I preferred about OldILX (or ILX1.5 I suppose) was that it put a <hr /> above the first unread message, and between "period breaks" in threads - messages with more than about 10 days between them.

Ooh, nu-ILX has some nifty .js thing that makes a SCARY RED WARNING appear if you type something that looks a bit like HTML.

Forest Pines, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

ARgh, the x-posting!

Are they *Thinking Womens' Crumpets* ?!?!?

http://www.befresch.com/crazewire/features/bands/cw.blur.010.jpg

No, no, no, Gooblar. Do not work on your PhD. Waste time entertaining us office slobs who have already made all the wrong decisions with our lives.

Playing bass is good. I really miss playing bass sometimes. But then again, there really is very little I can do on a string bass that I can't do with my left hand.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

I realized that pretty much all of my bass-lines are derived in some way from McCartney on Abbey Road.

G00blar, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

Sigh. MUST get back to work, and stop googling Thinking Women's Crumpets.

http://www.tournant.com/blur/images/photos/grandes-photos/photo200-299/262.jpg

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

There are only 3 basslines in the whole world, and two of them come from McCartney: Rain and Taxman.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not gonna argue with you, but there's some A-meeeeeeeeezing melodic shit bubbling from the bottom on Abbey Road ("Something", eg.)

G00blar, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:39 (eighteen years ago)

(I am of course, joking, having BEEN a bass player for very many years.)

((Actually, I think this was from that conversation with Dr. C about starting a garage/psych band - really there are only 3 garage basslines, that is utterly true.))

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

Aaaaaah, Alex in goggles, can life get any better?

http://www.clikpic.com/cambridgejones/images/2002.04.17_234.jpg

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

Those aren't goggles, they're fake Aviators!

The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

Argh! No Sande at the gig. Because she might have NODULES on her vocal chords, which, as any musician knows, are THE SCARIEST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN TO A SINGER. Oh my god, I hope she's alright. But her Doctor has told her not to sing in the meanwhile, just in case.

Oh noes, I need another singer.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, I have somewhere a picture of Alex in goggles from when he did that article on flying for The Idler. He had a plane, so of course he had goggles.

Gah, we've done gigs with only two singers before, but it's not ideal. Actually, we did a whole bunch of shows like that, but it was mainly me swearing at the laptop and going mental on the spacerock guitar while Anna got drunk, told jokes and whacked people in the head with lillies because she thought she was Morrissey.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

As I was walking home last night I was fantasising about jamming with you, Kate.

Mark C, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

Mark C in a dress.

Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

A dress, a wig and a bunch of lillies, and you've got the gig, Mark.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

*Aluminium/tin can, not as in taste of beardy experimental Germans

But nobody in Can ever had a beard... well none of the Germans did anyway

Tom D., Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

OK, they had mustaches, though. Close enough for beardy.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Only one of them did!

Tom D., Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:09 (eighteen years ago)

How come when I open a thread it doesn't take me to where I last read it? argh.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

I bet they would taste like beard if you licked them, though.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

Mark C in a tutu. It's not strange...

DavidM, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

I can only post from home. You'll never see me anymore...

mitya, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

Oh no! Come back Mitya! Does Nu ILX not work on your work 'puter, or are you just trying to cut down?

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

should be fixed after the weekend, mitya

Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

hello! i love this job i love this job! er now i am going to go and do it.

emsk, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

So Kate with each cooler thread will there now be a poll?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

Hrrrmmmm. This is a distinct possibility. I'm not sure what I would poll about. I have no interests except my current obsessions. But we might poll on the best name for the next thread.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

The same Thursday question that comes up every month... will I actually make it to Sonic Cathedrals, or will I wimp out and go home? Going to bed early last night was sooo lovely.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

You could have a poll on watercooler posters fave band but we all know the answer is B&S anyway. (unless lots of non cooler posters vote too, in which case don't make polls controversial)

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

WTF at B&S? There are like, 3 ex-Sinisterites here, but they are in no way a majority. Life is not like Last.FM you know. I think Hawkwind would get way more votes. Ha ha, maybe that is the next poll we shall have - Hawkwind vs. B&S. No contest.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah but what if all the B&S fans turn up just to vote? haha. You saw what happened 10 years ago in the Brit Awards!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

Hmmmmm and hmmmm again. It is a Thursday.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

I never could get the hang of Thursdays, etc.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

Good afternoon, Ned!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

I don't suppose Ned would be voting for B&S in any poll I suppose.
Are you looking forward to visiting London, Ned?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think there's any photographic evidence of me in a dress. Actually, I lie, we did a show for our parents when I was 11 or so, but that's in my folks' photo album and they don't have a scanner.

The funny thing is... If I were in a band, I expect my biggest inspirations would be Spacemen 3, Stereolab, Placebo (I don't even *like* Placebo much but whenever I make songs up in my head that's what they sound like) and the Velvet Underground. Lots of droney guitars, bright tunes and lovely harmonies.

Mark C, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

Mark, don't you think we'd kill each other if we were in a band together? ;-)

Actually, Kerr, WTF at Marmoset? What is this? It is messing with mine head.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

Are you looking forward to visiting London, Ned?


O' course!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

I made a point of killing everyone in my band, for creative control reasons.

tissp, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:16 (eighteen years ago)

(see also: 'artistic differences')

tissp, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

Kate, I suspect we'd actually be rather polite to each other! Not that I think it's necessarily a good idea, especially as I have limited talent (I can just about manage rhythm guitar or uncomplicated bass, a little bit of flute or recorder and, should you decide you need a euphonium I could certainly manage). I can sing a bit, more as a backup person than a lead singer - I can hold a tune and tricky harmonies are my favourites (I've been toying with the idea of finding a barbershop quartet to join).

Mark C, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, I have had artistic differences in bands in the past, but I was more headstrong back then, and also, the bassist in one and the drummer in another were the band "leaders". I mean, who's ever heard of a bassist or drummer being in charge??

Mark C, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

Gordon Gano, maybe.

Mark C, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

I just get told quite frequently how "difficult" I am to work with. And I guess I can understand that. Maybe it's payback for all the bands where I had to shut up and put up with artistic control freaks when I was a session player.

Drummer and Bassist in charge = Fleetwood Mac, surely. I dunno, tried to do that for a while when the drummer I used to work with for ages in Albany moved down to NYC,and we tried to find a guitarist to actualise our ideal band - and we never could.

I don't think that I'm that hard to work with, actually. I'm quite level headed and patient in the recording studio. I'm just a difficult person, fullstop. The arguments are almost never creative. The arguments are over differing expectations. And me being a wanker, of course. But it's just like... music is the one aspect of my life I get to *have* total control over. It's my palace of delight, where element gets to be *exactly* how I want it, and I spend ages trying to match the music in my head, and that makes me not nice when someone else is getting in the way of that sound in my head not coming out the way that I want.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

OMG, I just read the best thing ever on the Sandbox.

::does happy dance around thread::

Have still not made up my mind about Sonic Cathedrals, but it's looking less and less likely. I don't feel much like drinking or standing in a smokey room, even if there would be shoegazing and cute boys.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

waht?

G00blar, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:46 (eighteen years ago)

I dare not even speak its name for fear of making it not happen.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

I am intrigued.

Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

MBV TO REFORM WITH KATE IN PLACE OF BILINDA

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:05 (eighteen years ago)

That's very close to what I was guessing as well!

G00blar, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

No, now you're making it into a big Thing, and it's not that big a deal, and he will probably change his mind in about a week anyway. Long time ILX bully says he is quitting forevers because he hates the new interface. Hurrah! Is that all it took to get rid of him? We should have done it YEARS ago.

OK, I'm going to stop crowing about it now for fear that he will change his mind.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

Gooblar, how did you get a gig at the Hoxton Bar and Girll?

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

Kate, have you read kontacte's latest myspace bulletin?

Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

MAGIK

(xpost?)

G00blar, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, they already told me they didn't want me. :-(

(Kontakte, not the Hoxton Bar and Girll)

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, it was because people like you guys came to our last gig at the Betsey, and p1um are apparently sufficiently pleased with our turnout so as to move us on up. (This will undoubtedly be reversed when we bring five people because we're playing on a monday.)

G00blar, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, are Plum promoting there now?

Need to chase them down. Would actually like to play in the Betsey basement - especially if the line-up keeps growing. And get to the point where not just the stage but that whole chamber is full of all the Shimura Curves all in a circle, and have the audience back in the other bit and on the stairs. But I need abotu a dozen more Shimuras for that.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

ONE OF US.

G00blar, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

One down, three to go.

OK, I think I'm going to be a loser and go home and eat pizza and watch the Mighty Boosh and maybe arrange some tracks for the new line-up. Except shee-it, argh! No idea what's happening with the harmonies, just have to hope that F has learned some. I should probably practise my guitar, as well. It's been a while and I have probably forgotten all the songs.

Maybe I would have gone out and met the floopy-fringed pointy-nosed shoegazer boy of my dreams... or maybe I would have gone on mine own and stood on mine own and gone home and cried and wanted to die. Or maybe I would have just got irritated with Old Street twats smoking in my face and stepping on my shoes and wish I hadn't spent so much money going out.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)

Aw man, today is going to be quiet, isn't it, with Ed and Emsk off in the wilderness planting trees.

I'm happy, though, as today is my favourite day of the month - PAYDAY!!!

::does happy dance around office::

What are you all doing this weekend?

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 10:41 (eighteen years ago)

Working. (Almost wrote 'worming' there.) I have done sod all this week except mess around on ILE and do a few desultory book edits. So now I have 100 abstracts to write in three days.

And I'm still messing around on ILE. Go figure.

accentmonkey, Friday, 23 February 2007 10:45 (eighteen years ago)

ILX: much more fun than worming abstracts.

(Sorry, there was an article about tapeworms in the Metro this morning. Tapeworms are way cool)

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

More clues on who has quit nu-ILX please. I miss most things so I'm probably being dense here.

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

It was all lies. No one who said they were quitting for good actually did. Plus ca change. :-(

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

My enemies will be disappointed to learn that I'm not quitting either.

G00blar, Friday, 23 February 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

Hurrah! I mean, boo! I mean, oh wait. Who are you again?

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:01 (eighteen years ago)

I've got that Friday feeling. Julian Barratt brings the funk:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/mightyboosh/images/gallery/picture14.jpg

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

I really wanna know how he actually managed to play the bass with all those tassels in the way. I discovered a LONG time ago that fringey sleeves and bass playing do NOT mix.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:04 (eighteen years ago)

We rocked mightily last night : lots of students and ancient punks - typical Brighton audience.

We're doing this in June : http://www.cask-ale.co.uk/beerfestival.html.



Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:06 (eighteen years ago)

Beer Festival! We keep saying that we're going to go to one, but this will give us an excuse to definitely go. Argh, so long as it's not the weekend in June that I'm in Paris with my brother.

Glad the gig went well!

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:10 (eighteen years ago)

Hi everyone. I'd just like to announce that I am a mix-tape God. I've done one for a mate at work who said "You like lots of cool music, make me a tape." and it's a genius work of art. A lot of it is quite obvious stuff for YOU guys, but he hasn't heard hardly any of the tracks (even stuff that you'd imagine everyone has heard, like Pixies and JAMC, so he's gonna be in tuneage heaven. I'm kinda embarassed to post it here cos you'll all laugh at me for being obvious, but it's only obvious if you know it:

1 Early Riser Plus-Tech Squeeze Box
2 Broken Face Pixies
3 Touch Sensitive The Fall
4 Who Do You Love? Bo Diddley
5 Cherry, Cherry Neil Diamond
6 Racey Lacey Girls Aloud
7 September Gurls Big Star
8 Stupid Cupid Connie Francis
9 Crimson And Clover Tommy James & The Shondells
10 Cherry Chapstick Yo La Tengo
11 O Mio Babbino Caro Puccini
12 Tighten Up Archie Bell and the Drells
13 Mr. Raven MC Lars
14 Message From The Country The Move
15 Last Of The Small Town Playboys Dirty Pretty Things
16 Statesboro Blues Blind Willie McTell
17 Lloyd, I'm Ready To Be Heartbroken Camera Obscura
18 Like Dylan In The Movies Belle and Sebastian
19 Paris 1919 John Cale
20 Northern Sky Nick Drake
21 Surrender Cheap Trick


1 All Night Disco Party The Brakes
2 Alala Cansei De Ser Sexy
3 Chewing Gum Annie
4 Pink Sunshine Fuzzbox
5 Care Of Cell 44 The Zombies
6 Needle In A Haystack The Velvelettes
7 Helpless Buffy Sainte-Marie
8 Withered And Died Richard & Linda Thompson
9 100,000 Fireflies The Magnetic Fields
10 Air A Danser Penguin Cafe Orchestra
11 These Days Nico
12 Heroin The Velvet Underground
13 All Things Must Pass George Harrison
14 Song to the Siren Tim Buckley
15 The Coo Coo Bird Clarence "Tom" Ashley
16 Slavonic Dances, Op.72 No.2 Antonin Dvarak
17 I Don't Need No Doctor Ray Charles
18 Afterglow (Of Your Love) Small Faces
19 Some Candy Talking The Jesus and Mary Chain

The Wayward Johnny B, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:11 (eighteen years ago)

Ooh, that is actually a nice mix tape.

Ha ha, apparently Miss AMP is having a great time in Berlin, she's discovered German Hipster Porno for Girls. Aaaaaaahhhhhh!!! Naked Alex James lookylike on the cover. Be still, my throbbing clit-on.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

15 The Coo Coo Bird Clarence "Tom" Ashley
16 Slavonic Dances, Op.72 No.2 Antonin Dvarak
17 I Don't Need No Doctor Ray Charles


!

G00blar, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:14 (eighteen years ago)

lol xpost

G00blar, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

Errrmm, hello?!?!? Am I being marketed to or what?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/124/399618043_c0d76a7008.jpg

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

Some good stuff on there - especially Archie Bell. I was listening to 'Here I Go Again' at breakfast time. That coral sitar!

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:20 (eighteen years ago)

It's a great mixtape apart from the inclusion of the world's most incomprehensibly overrated band (and I know I'm going to get lynched for this), The Fall.

Mark C, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:23 (eighteen years ago)

Crikey!

Yes - an ILX beerfest FAP would be great. With accompanying pub-rock, punk, folk and poetry - yikes! I do quite fancy doing a festival though, so I guess it means I'll have to stick around in the band until June. Hmm.

Meanwhile I have rehearsal with proper band on Monday and there is a GIG possibility for April or May.

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:25 (eighteen years ago)

OOOh, proper band gig sounds v. v. exciting and gives you a mark to shoot for. I always find that helpful in pulling something together. It amazes me how early festivals have to be booked, though. I wonder if we could get a gig at beer festival,but I suppose it's all booked up.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

Mark C - you are OTM about the Fall. I mean I like them and all that, but once you've kind of got Mark E's schtick, it's diminishing returns really. Every once in a while they shake things up a bit and it gets interesting again, but I haven't really been excited about them since Dragnet (1979!).

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

xpost - we could ask Atilla the Stockbroker - he's booking it, I think. I don't suppose it's booked up yet. Do you want me to ask?

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

15 The Coo Coo Bird Clarence "Tom" Ashley
16 Slavonic Dances, Op.72 No.2 Antonin Dvarak
17 I Don't Need No Doctor Ray Charles


I was thinking about this for a long time and listened to it over and over, but the jump from crackly folk recorded in the 30s to easy-listening classical to proto-northern soul actually works. One of the bits I'm happy with is the juxtaposition of Cherry Cherry (60s pop song) and Racey Lacey (00s idea of what a 60s pop song sounds like). And Cherry Chapstick turning into a Puccini aria is quite nice. The Fall tune is one of the more poppy ones and it quite focussed - the opening 4 tracks there are bounce-around-the-room-like-a-tit masterclass.

The Wayward Johnny B, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:32 (eighteen years ago)

Oh,yes, please, Dr. C!

1) I love playing festivals
2) I love beer
3) Ed is actually quite an Atilla fan and would probably be quite pleased at the whole idea

Yes, it's the weekend after I go to Paris so we're good.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:35 (eighteen years ago)

I can't agree with Mark C and Dr C. I have very unorthodox ideas about the Fall. Never did go along with the "early stuff is the best" idea. I bought a double CD of the Infotainment Scan the other day and am completely amazed by it. It has a Peel session version of 15 Ways on it which is 100 x better than the 'proper' version that opens Middle Class Revolt.

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:36 (eighteen years ago)

I have my usual backlog of CDs to listen to at home. Three Ecstasy of St Theresa cds borrowed off Martin (yes the one who looks like Kevin Eldon, Johnney!), two Death Cab cds and two Yo La Tengo.

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

I like the name of Ecstasy of St. Theresa, are they any good? They seem like something that I would like.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:41 (eighteen years ago)

Well all the albums have a few great tracks on - probably my favourite Fall track is Blindness from 2005/6.

x-post - Kate what's yr myspace address? I can't get myspace at work. I will forward it on to Atilla (via Jeff) so that he has something to look at/listen to.

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:41 (eighteen years ago)

I've got two. the official band one is:

http://www.myspace.com/masonicboomk8

and mine own is:

http://www.myspace.com/shimuracurves

There's music on both spaces, but the music on my personal one is more recent.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:43 (eighteen years ago)

Uh, isn't it the other way around?

G00blar, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:47 (eighteen years ago)

Ha ha, yeah, you're right. Sorry. I'm not paying attention this morning. It's this giving up coffee for lent business. Masonic Boom is personal, Shimura Curves is the band. Well duh!

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:49 (eighteen years ago)

Kate, I will listen to EOST tonight and Report Back. Czech shoegazers, apparently.

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:52 (eighteen years ago)

Have pinged e-mail off. Will call Jeff later.

I VERY VERY VERY nearly bought this in Wales last wkend:

http://www.gamlinsmusiccentre.co.uk/productdetail.asp?catalogid=1606&catid=1&subcatid=32&manuid=21

A 1965 Mustang! That photo is the actual guitar - look at all those lovely bumps and scratches. They also had two Fender Musicmasters (sort of a single-pickup Mustang) for £500 each. A 1971 and a 1975 IIRC.

But the Mustang....TOTAL VINTAGE HOTTNESS!! OMG.

Still. Want. It.

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:52 (eighteen years ago)

i am not in teh wilderness yet! i am going this eve. also i am not working today BOO but also i was alseep until 11.30. me and charlie no 4 were talking last night about how both of us have discovered we LIKE to work.. what does that mean? anyway i am kind of floaty with nujob. everyone was all OOH, you will have to learn CONTRACTS but it are fine.

Julian Barratt brings the funk:

urgh, funk. that boy wanted to take me to a funk night. bad idea. want to beopen-minded but know would get bored and irritable.

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:53 (eighteen years ago)

I was discussing the Fall with a colleague earlier and we agreed that Craig Scanlon's departure was a great loss for the band.

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:53 (eighteen years ago)

Mmmmm, candy red mustang.

A guitarist I used to work with back in Albany had a Musicmster she used to leave round my house! Total vintage hottness! They are they ones with the go-faster stripes, right?

I'm liking my Jazzmaster more now I've changed the strings.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

x-x-post yay Emsk! For not being in the Wilderness yet. But boo for not working. Watch Nathan Barley instead.

Funk night, oh no. I do like a bit of funk, but I could not do with a whole night of it. I like actual funk, but I do not like music with a funk influence. One must be very careful with teh funk. (Oh god, when did I turn into Jesse?)

Ha ha ha ha, I have just realised!!! Jesse = Howard Moon! Ha ha ha hahahaaaa... Everything makes sense now.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:00 (eighteen years ago)

It is good to work after you have experienced a long period of unemployment or underemployment. It's good to have a place to go everyday where you are expected and missed. It's good to have a sense of purpose. It takes up time that would otherwise be spent being bored and getting thoughtworms because you can't be creative all the time.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:02 (eighteen years ago)

x-post

I have only seen the go-faster stripes on 70's Mustangs. A quick google image search didn't show any with stripes, so it most probably was a Mustang.

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

No, the guitar in question was definitely a Musicmaster - it didn't have go-faster stripes. I just thought that some of them did, but clearly I was wrong and it was the Mustang that did. Her husband had a Mustang, I think. I can't remember,it was a long time ago.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:08 (eighteen years ago)

I would much rather Funk than Jazz, mind you. Hah! That will be the next Watercooler Poll.

If you HAVE to have one:

1) Funk
2) Jazz
3) B&S (but only if you don't like them.)

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:10 (eighteen years ago)

Old Fenders are everywhere taunting me...last night's support band had a 1960-something Jazz Bass that was so lovely and worn. It was that white colour that has aged to custard yellow. Amazing sound too - really fat and mellow. I'm going to have to go back and get that Mustang.

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:12 (eighteen years ago)

Funk.

The 'What it Is' funk box was an Xmas pressy and is great, great, great. They have looked far and wide for interesting trax and so you don't just get the likes of the Meters, JB, Earth Wind and Fire, etc etc, but stuff like Ananda Shankar's sitar and moog version of Jumping Jack Flash.

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

Uuuhh... oh god, old Jazz Basses, don't even get me started. They just sound so lovely.

I mean, even my second bass (heh) was an 80s Jazz Bass - actually I think it may have been a Squier but from that period when the Squiers were made in Japan and better quality than Fenders.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

What was your first bass?

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

I love you, be mine:

http://www.guitarsandeffects.com/images/66jazz.jpg

Be mine, as well. We can have a jazz threesome:

http://www.rocknrollvintage.com/prodimages/1963%20fender%20jazz%20bass%20lake%20pacid%20blue%20jazzbass.jpg

stuff like Ananda Shankar's sitar and moog version of Jumping Jack Flash

This is actually genius.

I blame Kerr for getting me into Funkadelic, but actually I used to hang out with this odd pair of dudes in Albany who used to throw the most amazing parties - usually costume parties*. And they used to constantly play a lot of that stuff, Wild Cherry and that kind of crap. Lots of Parliament. But they'd have that playing in their living room and weird electronic music from the 60s playing in their back room and record players in corners, playing genuinely bizarre stuff like Hitlers speeches or etiquette instructions manuals from the 50s.

*They dressed up as nuns for a party that my band played. When I got arrested later that night, I can remember police coming into the station as I was being fingerprinted or something, saying "ohmigod, we just busted this party... door opens, and there is this six foot two bloke with a beard standing there, dressed as a nun..."

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:26 (eighteen years ago)

[i]Watch Nathan Barley instead. [i]

oh god, i can't, i tried. it's too hard to watch. i made it through two the other night. it's relentless in the wrong way. it makes me hate the world.

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:26 (eighteen years ago)

3) B&S (but only if you don't like them.)

hee hee, but B&S can be funky! Check out "Your Cover's Blown" or their cover of Young Marble Giants' "Final Day".

the band I am going to see tonight Stornoway sound a bit like early B&S, more specifically part of their sound is like the acoustic guitar bits in songs from If Your Feeling Sinister eg Judy and the Dream of Horses.

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:27 (eighteen years ago)

x-post, errr... my first bass was something really awful. Second hand, and out of a Sears catalogue - like a Harmony or something. It had a short scale, which was good when I was a little girl.

The Squier wasn't mine originally - it kinda got passed around. It was bought for this horrible trustafarian girl by her mum, and she kind of quit playing 6 months after her mum bought it - but then I think Dare bought it off her, and I bought it off Dare, and then it got left in the basement of some noize dudes' house after a gig and disappeared when they got evicted for throwing too many noize parties down there. Ah, the 80s... good times.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

oh god, i can't, i tried. it's too hard to watch. i made it through two the other night. it's relentless in the wrong way. it makes me hate the world.

I don't know. I found it rather difficult to watch the first time round for those reasons,but I got sucked in. Once you accept the fact that everyone is awful, it becomes a lot funnier. But I guess I understand what you mean.

hee hee, but B&S can be funky!

That is when I hate them the most. I don't mind when they are just being a fey indie band, because they are quite good. But every now and then... just, argh! No! Wrong!

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

The no x-post alerter thing is starting to really confuse me.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

Ah - I thought like, the Jazz Bass was your **backup** (i.e 'second') bass and was wondering what the hell your number one bass was!

That first one is TOTAL SUNBURST HOTTNESS!! Oh Christ - I should have bought the Mustang.

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

No, no, no, second as in time.

Yeah, total sunburst hottness. I do kinda wish I'd held out for a sunburst when I bought my Jazzmaster. But I will just have to get a Jazz Bass in sunburst. Next bonus, yeah.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)

FUNK & JAZZ!!! Better be an option for both.

BAH to emsk for not liking funk. .


Who is grandpoint genie?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

i don't like JAZZ either. (except screechy unlistenable noize jazz with people doing disgusting things with saxophones in it) (which is almost the only time i like saxophones too)

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:54 (eighteen years ago)

Nope, sorry, Kerr, I've looked through all 10 volumes and there is only Funkadelic, not Parliament.

I found that Pelican album that F told me to listen to, though!

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:59 (eighteen years ago)

OK, it's lunchtime. I'm having CARROT CAKE!!!!

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:59 (eighteen years ago)

Grandpont Genie = MarkH, yes?

C J, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

My office is DESERTED. I was alone here until the Finn came back. Lunchtime, on a Friday, on PAYDAY, when all of the bosses are in Dubai. Not a soul here and i don't expect them back all afternoon.

Actually, if I've just been paid, maybe I should just go and buy that Parliament album. But no, no, I could not bear to have anyone actually see it in my collection. There are limits. Men in sparkley tights driving gold spaceships is pretty much where I draw the line.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

Which Parliament album is it?

I'm catching up on a couple of days emails, and I see I missed one from you a couple of days ago, Kate. My apologies for not getting onto that. I suppose it's not an issue any more since the move over?

Pashmina, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:27 (eighteen years ago)

Mothership Connection. That's the one I've got stuck in mine head.

Don't worry about it, Pash, it's not relevant any more.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

The carrot cake is kicking in and I feel pleasantly drugX0red.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

I'm feeling like that with the Krispy Kremes that wre bought back earlier, it's like I'm coming up or something. Combined with the vitamin C rush from all the OJ I drank this morning I've gone and got that old-fashioned go-dance-in-a-field feeling.

The Wayward Johnny B, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

All I really want now is some coffee and some good dronerock to get into the maths trance but I somehow doubt I'll be getting any work done this afternoon.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:46 (eighteen years ago)

"Mothership Connection" is pretty great! The playing is really on the one.

Pashmina, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

I'm listening to Maggot Brain on headphones instead and the stereo channel separation is really fucking with mine head in a pleasing sort of way.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

I wanna go heeeeeeere...

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0702/helix_spitzer_720.jpg

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

x-post still on vintage guitar pervage

Sunburst Jazzys are not all *that* great, I think.The plain colours are best. I like the the colour of yours (sea foam green?). Mine's OLD candy apple red, which is deeper and HOTTER than traditional candy-apple red.

What's everyone doing at the weekend?

Me tonight : nothing I think/hope. I might go to the pub for a bit if mrs. dr.c wants to.
Tomorrow : 3 games **involving an oval ball** on the telly and lots of family and friends coming round to watch them and eat/drink. I am cooking, which I am looking forward to.
Sunday : recover from above. Hopefully play some guitar.

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

I had an old Epiphone Jaguar copy (floating tremolo and all) which was a candy apple sunburst - still, the prettiest guitar I've ever owned. I hope it's still in storage at my mum's.

Tonight I am going to rehearse in a Moogy Wonderland with F but probably more likely end up drinking beer and listening to Hawkwind and watching Dr. Who with her and her bf J as all good rehearsals should end up.

Tomorrow and Sunday I have NO PLANS AT ALL!!! Hurrah! This was kind of accidental as I assumed I was going to plant trees, but now I'm not going to plant trees, I wonder if I should figure something out to do. Though honestly, I think I could do with another weekend at home resting and recording. Next week is really busy actually, so maybe I should just rest.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

(Sorry, it is actually a Korg not a Moog, but Korgy Wonderland looks kinda ... dirty.)

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

Then again, a Koogsy Wonderland would be something that bears thinking about. ;-)

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

wilderness! trees! drinking!

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

Tonight : parents' evening at daughters' school. I fully expect all the teachers will say both girls are exceptionally talented and gifted OR ELSE I WILL STOP THEIR POCKET MONEY IMMEDIATELY. (My daughters' pocket money, that is. I don't give the teachers any pocket money, that would be silly).

Tomorrow : Some shoppin' and cleanin' and washin'. Then watching some of the egg-chasing on telly. Going to the pictures in the evening to see Hot Fuzz, maybe we'll swing by the village pub on the way home to grab a bite of supper if we haven't overdosed on popcorn first.

Sunday : I am re-wiring and painting AN ENTIRE HOUSE all by myself. (Well, okay, it's only my new dolls house).

C J, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

FUNK!! JAZZ!!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

Kate please to send emsk mothership connection file

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

Re-wiring dolls houses is much harder than wiring a big house cause it is all so fiddly. I know, I've done it. And like an idiot, didn't realise you had to put the wiring in before you did the wallpapering. Argh.

Trees? Wilderness? Freaking' Hippies! You'll come back all looking like this, mark my words:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/mightyboosh/images/gallery/picture15.jpg

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

x-post, THANK YOU SO MUCH, KERR!!!

Don't worry, I have other ways of making Emsk come around to music that I know she would like if she gave it a chance. Just play it really late in a party when she's really drunk and suddenly she will perk up and go "OMIGOD, THIS IS GRATE!!! What R it made?" and then I can say "but it's this thing, it's great! See?"

It worked with most things. Except, errr, Destiny's Child, I think.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

Hey CJ - the Welsh egg chase in Paris is on at 8pm!! Possible clash with Hot Fuzz? Just sayin'.




Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

Cor, even I liked some Destiny's Child songs. Next you will be saying she didn't like TLC and En Vogue.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)

I miss the x-post notification AND NOT GETTING LOGGED OUT EVERYTIME I POST ARGHHHHHH.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

"Egg chasing" better freaking NOT be what I think it is or I'll be breaking some 'eggs around 'ere!

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, spit! I hadn't checked the match times. Thank you for that!! I will have to find a small child to set the DVD recorder (they find it easier to get it right than I do) and record it.

C J, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

It's a type of guitar, Kate. Honest.

C J, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

A-HAH!!! I have caught you out! You KNOW what the punnishment for egg-chasing is.

http://boosh.phkp.co.uk/julian/gallery/film/sweet/03/sweet_03-039.jpg

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

They're like the new Morecambe and Wise, all tucked up in bed together like that.

C J, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:22 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry, but fuck me, I just can't get past the nipple clamp thing.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

Noddy and Big Ears never had nipple clamps in bed.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

OK, it is Proven By Science that it is statistically impossible to be depressed while listening to Paliament, they are just too funny. How can this music not make you laugh and dance about like a FULE?

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:35 (eighteen years ago)

yebbut destiny's child are a fucking appalling travesty and they should all be murdered. is that the one beyonce was in? she needs her fucking trongue ripped out.

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:36 (eighteen years ago)

ARgh! Because the bosses are away, everyone is cc:ing pacman excel games and the like to one another and it's a giant mess with getting these from all over the place like a cc:pocalypse.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:37 (eighteen years ago)

Yebbut, Emsk, Parliament are actually GOOD. Plus, they are hilarious. And have squelchy synths that sound like farts. And all their songs are about how super-intelligent aliens from the planet FUNK will come on the mothership and save us all. How can you not like that?

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

i don't not like it; i don't know it!

tlc - boring boring boring. did they do that waterfalls song? that was shite

en vogue - yeah, i like never gonna get it quite a bit. other than that i don't really care about them one way or the other

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

Send emsk that ysi, Kate

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

OK, Emsk, I will forward you the download. It makes more sense if you're really really drunk (if it ever makes any sense - really it's just silly and brilliant.) I am pretty sure that you heard Funkadelic while drunk at my last party, but they are just spacerock, really. Parliament are like spacerock, but Funk.

(I am turning into the Lex. Help.)

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

Kate do you want to hear this

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

heeelp! shiny digital camera will not take pictures! it was FINE last time i used it and since then it has been sitting on the table in the living room, it hasn't got wet or dropped or anything. it switches on fine but when i press the button nothing happens. and i need to register for glastonbury. heeeeelp! what can i doo? the troubleshooting info in the instructions is shit.

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

ha - my boss just called me in. I'm thinking - oh shit he wants to know why I haven't been doing any work for the past week or so. (Not that I care much - I have him under control). Turns out that he wants to offer me a new job, which is kind of more up my street. More autonomy, less time in the office, more strategic/creative, less rote. I'm tempted, but there are a couple of things missing that I would want to have included. I have a few weeks to think about it. There would be MORE work with TTH and the agency too - this is probably not a good thing to be honest.

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

Early funkadelic is just acid fried ROCK music but with soul singers. Cream Meets MC5 and the Stooges meets Hendrix meets some crazy musicians on LSD.
Funkadelic is the band, Parliament are the singers.
Funkadelic are the rock band while Parliament are the funky dance-y horn led group with more vocal based stuff.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I've heard that, Kerr - FMM was playing Marnie last week, and it's brilliant. It's Riot Prrrog. Honestly.

Sorry, I know nothing about shiny cameras. Have you tried turning it off and on.

Dr. C that sounds like a good thing, actually,if you could handle working in close proximity to TTH. But then again, maybe familiarity will breed contempt and the crush will wear off?

I do not want to work. I want to bounce around the office in high heeled silver spaceboots. (Whatever happened to my shiny silver spaceboots? I used to have them for my Barbarella outfit, once upon a time.)

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

Well TTH will still be in America MOST of the time. I dunno - they're good people to work with, it's just she's TT&H. I am not short of hottness in my life I guess - maybe I should buy the Mustang just to make sure that I have ALL the hottness I can deal with.

There's a really mad Eddie Hazel track on my Funk box. It's supposed to be a cover of California Dreamin' which is only tangentially related to the orig. The relationship between his guitar and the beat is really odd - I can't decide what he's hearing in his head. It sounds like he's playing faster AND slower.

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

Doc, unless TTH is actively trying to seduce you, I think you can live with it. Office crushes can be distracting but the inbuilt "don't shit on your doorstep" instinct, combined with the fact that, you know, you're already taken means that any attraction will wear off the more time you spend together.

Hmm, basically what Kate says. You're a grown-up, you can control your lustful urges (you've been monogamous long enough - I am assuming), and the actual job itself sounds like a huge improvement.

Mark C, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)


Sorry, I know nothing about shiny cameras. Have you tried turning it off and on.

haha! yes, and taken out the batteries and put different ones in and taken out the memory card and looked at it and put it back in. the photos that were there before are still there. it makes all the right noises and does all the right things, you can see the image, it zooms in and does different modes and whatever, the only thing that isn't working is the button. :(

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

But Dr C will new job mean fewer Beryl updates???? :/

Grandpont Genie, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

Guitars are way better than hott members of the opposite sex, anyway. Take the Mustang and the new job. Yeah!

the inbuilt "don't shit on your doorstep" instinct

This doesn't always kick in... as evidenced by some recent experiences of members of the 'Cooler,...

I'm sorry, The Thumpasorus has just come on and I am too busy ROFLing.

The relationship between his guitar and the beat is really odd - I can't decide what he's hearing in his head. It sounds like he's playing faster AND slower.

This is what makes him so good. Like I keep saying, Funkadelic are *not* funk. They are spacerock. Parliament are funk, but they don't have funk in their name. It's so confusing. hang on, this isn't Parliament, this is Pashmina, the album has finished and gone on to the next thing.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

x-post YEAH actually don't leave us hanging with Beryl!

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:14 (eighteen years ago)

No I'll still see Beryl.

OTM Mark. Taken & mono-whatever.

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

Beryl, job offers, etc. etc. etc! Yay updates!

By Christ I'm glad all the angst about the new code is dying away. Anyway, hello all.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

Morning, Ned.

My GOD I want coffee. Guess its' more green tea for me.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

morning!

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:27 (eighteen years ago)

HI DERE. :-) Emsk, are you planning on coming to Ed's potluck thing when I'm there? We must have all the good cooks in one place.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

Omigod, I have just discoverd online Solitaire. I have just PWND twice in a row. I am going to have no life left by the time my bosses come back.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

Still not getting that work done. Watching ER now. No motivation. Bah.

accentmonkey, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

Omigod, I have just discoverd online Solitaire.

Wait, what computer doesn't have that built in?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

Citrixed work computers.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

There's a really mad Eddie Hazel track on my Funk box. It's supposed to be a cover of California Dreamin' which is only tangentially related to the orig. The relationship between his guitar and the beat is really odd - I can't decide what he's hearing in his head. It sounds like he's playing faster AND slower.

It's from his rather wonderful Games Dames And Guitar Thangs album.

I managed to get a copy of that vinyl in the late 90s (a friend was working in Essex and found me it at a record fair at wembley). Was after that for YEARS.

It did get reissued by Rhino a few years back on cd with the bonus tracks which were from a japanese import cd that I paid £30 before I even got the vinyl.
Was nice to own it on cd though too. Sounded real nice.
But the cover art is so much better on the vinyl than cd
http://image.allmusic.com/00/amg/cov200/drh700/h787/h78798pvo5g.jpg

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

[Removed Illegal Link]

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

WTF???
[Removed Illegal Link]
Good Krautrock Website


Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

HI DERE. :-) Emsk, are you planning on coming to Ed's potluck thing when I'm there? We must have all the good cooks in one place.

yes i am! it is in my diary. though erm i am not sure if i qualify for that. hm i need to cook something now. i have KALE num...

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

Well just link to the top 50 list/review from the homepage above. (it was Julian Copes top 50 Krautrock albums)

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

When is Ed's potluck thing? Sorry if I haven't been invited. I just have the feeling I'm not keeping up with things happening next weekend very well.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)

Kate has got lots of reading to do this weekend.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

Man, I'm just waiting for people to leave so I can print it out!

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

ed's thing is thurs 8th, it was being discussed on the other thread. i don't think there has been an 'invitation' as such.

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:48 (eighteen years ago)

You know I'm just paranoid. Argh, that is the Thursday I have to see my haaaand doctor. No idea if I'm for that chop that day, or if it will just be a consultation.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

We're all still working on the details. Right now the two Big Nights as such will be the potluck thing and a farewell dinner/FAP/something or other on Friday the 9th.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)

ok i'm listening to parliament. it's ok. i didn't find anything silly or funny yet. it's a bit monotonous, no?

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

It can sometimes depend on the song. (That said, more visuals = better with them.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

Listen to the lyrics, Emsk. (Yeah, I know. I never listen to lyrics, but these are worth it.) it probably won't help if you're sat at home by yourself on the interweb. You really need to be drunk, at a party, preferably dancing. And then it is the best thing ever.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

i am listening to the lyrics. they're going "we need the funk, get us the funk, we need the funk, get us the funk, we need the funk, get us the funk, we need the funk, get us the funk, we need the funk, get us the funk, we need the funk, get us the funk", for fucking EVER. it's a bit dull. yeah i'm not drunk but i'm cooking, it's turned up loudish so i can hear it properly in the kitchen. but yeah... it just keeps doing the same thing over and over and over.

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

No, that's not all they ever sing. Sometimes they go "OW!"

Listen to Mothership Connection or Unfunky UFO or something, that's all about space. Funkspace. I mean, it's not just about funk, it's going somewhere. And where it's going is outer space.

Ah well. Almost all dance music is kind of dull and mindless if you listen to it not in the right state.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

Come on - "Star Child here - Citizens of the Universe! I bring forth the GOOD TIMES!!! On the mothership!" and then they scream "hit me!" and sing about the funk again.

it's not a million lightyears from "Technicians of planet earth this is your captain speaking. Your captain is dead!" or whatever.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:12 (eighteen years ago)

It's not silly. It's FUN!
If you want more serious(but still fun) try the Chocolate City album. A concept about a black president in D.C.(Chocolate City)


Hell just bookmark the MOTHERPAGE and read it all in it's finest glory.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

Parliament and Funkadelic were/are two interrelated groups that were masterminded by the one and only George Clinton. Parliament started out as The Parliaments, a five man doo-wop group led by GC that included Ray Davis, Fuzzy Haskins, Grady Thomas and Calvin Simon. They started cutting records as early as 1956 but didn't achieve any real success until 1967's hit "(I Wanna) Testify." At around this time, they had picked up a band for their shows, and they were eventually dubbed "Funkadelic" by bass player Bill Nelson, to have a name with "del" in it, to have some funk in it, and to reflect the psychedelic times. GC immediately took off with this idea, and it eventually affected the way the recordings of the two bands would sound. Funkadelic albums are heavily guitar-oriented, with lots of solos and instrumental pieces. A lot of the singing was done by the band members themselves. Horns are very rarely heard, and keyboard arrangements were mostly used for fills and melody. Parliament, on the other hand, was used as the main outlet for the five singers. Lots of doo-wop and gospel-influenced vocals, resulting in some beautiful, if occasionally bizarre, harmonies. Horns are prominently heard, with the occasional solo (Mothership Connection almost sounds like a jazz album at times). Keyboards and bass are the dominant instruments, with the guitars being left to drive the riffs. By the time the late 70's hit and the bands had four # 1 singles between them, the two groups started to sound more and more alike, especially when all of the splinter groups started up and everyone recorded stuff for them. The music became less rock oriented and more dance oriented, though at a very high standard in general. See below on the history of P.Funk for more details, and the political evolution of the lyrics.


AARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:22 (eighteen years ago)

I want to grab a few screenshots from this Lillian Gish film before it goes back to the rental place, does anyone know how to do this on a win xp box?

Pashmina, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

Ohmigod, the Finn just left, and as I looked up, I realised that I've been playing solitaire for 3 hours straight. She was playing Freecell, though, so it's OK.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

KATE LIKES JAZZ

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:32 (eighteen years ago)

Kate needs to check out some pfunk spin off stuff like Fred Wesley & The Horny Horns and Maceo Parker.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

Pash, Print Screen isn't up to the job?

Mark C, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

I HATE JAZZ!!! THIS IS NOT JAZZ!!!! THIS IS FUNK!!!

Do not think that you tricked me into listening to Jazz because it clearly isn't Jazz, it's funk.

See, if you take jazz riffs and put them over GOOD rhythm sections - like motorik or funk - that's fine. It's just the jazz rhythm that drives me nuts.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

What will happen 1st? Kate getting into jazz or emsk getting into funk?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

I will wear Emsk down on the P-Funk. But I will *NEVER* get into jazz.

I am a survivor of the Great Jazz War of 2000 or whenever it was that Jesse was living down the street from me.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

i listened to the whole thing, and i went in with good expectations. yes, i quite like the shouting about motherships and things. but that is like 1% of the album! the rest is them just singing about funk. and that gets a bit dull.

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:47 (eighteen years ago)

Ah well. I guess shouting endlessly about THE FUNK is great when you are really drunk and in the mood to dance.

I really like the idea of having two different bands with the same people, though. That's brilliant. I might nick it. And have Shimura Curves the vocal group, and then Shimura Curves the spacerock drone group. And put them together in different combinations. Yeah. Except one of the bands is going to have to have a different name.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:53 (eighteen years ago)

Funk = great; jazz = great; music = great. YAY GREAT.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

I hit print screen a few times, Mark, but it didn't do anything.

I've actually been listening to Jazz all day, a 13 minute section from a jazz party in a flapper movie from 1929.. It's seriously great! Pretty wils playing (no tsh tsh cymbals either) I can YSI is to anyone, I think it's probably out of copyright by by now.

Pashmina, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)

Good lord, man, that sounds brilliant. Yes please!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

Alt-PrintSreen does nothing? DVD players on 'puters are funny, though.

Flapper Party Music sounds great, but no, not if it's jazz.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:03 (eighteen years ago)

Hi all, I'm back from meeting music industry dood. Wants to make us the next ORSON.

UH.

G00blar, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:06 (eighteen years ago)

Who the fuck are Orson?

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:09 (eighteen years ago)

The Friday NedFAP should be an old-skool pub FAP. In a pub. Not in a bar or a restaurant!

Dr.C, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:10 (eighteen years ago)

Exactly xpost. And yes.

G00blar, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

I think all flapper party music was jazz?

I've been trying to find Colleen Moore movies on DVD, as mentioned upthread, one of the things I found was this AWESOME story:

http://www.picking.com/vitaphone82.html

The track (which I found on an mp3 blog the other day - the link to the mp3 is 404-ing, otherwise I'd just post that) is from "why be good".

I haven't found any DVDs yet though! I did find this synopsis from one of the lost movies, "we moderns":
This comedy-drama was based on a play by Israel Zangwill and meant to cash in on the fame Colleen Moore earned from Flaming Youth. Once again she plays a lively flapper who insists on flouting convention -- at least until she learns her lesson. The exteriors were shot in London. Mary Sundale (Moore) rebels against the Victorian values of her staid parents (Claude Gillingwater and Clarissa Selwyn). Although she is drawn to nice civil engineer John Ashlar (Jack Mulhall), she prefers to live dangerously by becoming infatuated with Oscar Pleat (Carl Miller), a married author who believes he is God's gift to women. Mary's parents have the butler lock her in her room, but she escapes to go on a treasure hunt around London with her pals. The game takes her to Pleat's room, but Ashlar manages to find her. She then attends a jazz party being held on a zeppelin, but a plane collides with it, sending it hurtling to the ground in flames. Mary, of course, manages to survive this disaster, but it wakes her up and she decides to settle down with Ashlar.

Doesn't that sound great? It doesn't appear to exist anymore, what a bummer.

Pashmina, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:12 (eighteen years ago)

That sounds like the best movie ever! I mean, a jazz party on a zeppelin? I suppose that's the 1920s equivalent of a funk party on the Mothership.

I suppose Orson are probably the next big thing NME Carling band maybe? Who knows. If he's going to make you rich and famous, who cares. ::seethes with envy of course:: You still gonna talk to us and do duets with us when you're all rich and famous on the cover of a magazine?

Man, I should stop playing solitaire and get to rehearsal, but the power of FUNK is keeping me where I am.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

Alright, please send me the jazz.

(I cannot believe I just said that.)

Please.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

I suppose Orson are probably the next big thing NME Carling band maybe? Who knows. If he's going to make you rich and famous, who cares. ::seethes with envy of course:: You still gonna talk to us and do duets with us when you're all rich and famous on the cover of a magazine?

Yeah. I think they just won a brit. We're not doin' it. Too much money up front for producing a record that's not gonna sound like I want it.

G00blar, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

orson are depressing. very very dull and mediocre. they won best international breakthrough at the brits. they're appalling and you're nothing like them. was this the company you asked about before? brothers m &v l?

xpost

emsk, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, YOU pay money up front? That ain't the way it works. I smell a scam.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

If you pay money to record in a studio, you sound the way YOU want to sound.

If someone wants to sign you and change your sound all around, they give YOU the advance. In cash.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:22 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, yes, and yes. And I agree. This is a company interested in working with us, having never seen or heard the band (he has heard my demos). It's not that he said we'd sound the way they want us to sound, it's that their whole bizness is geared to get you heard by major label doodz

G00blar, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:25 (eighteen years ago)

The mp3 is taking forver to upload to yousendit, the fuckers. I'll email it to you & Ned, it's under 6mb.

Pashmina, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:26 (eighteen years ago)

Say "thank you, that's not really the market we're interested in"and walk away. Now. Before they ask you for any points on your deal, which you know they would. FuX0rs.

Right, I'm off and taking THE FUNK to the Hackney Wick. The Wickney Hack. On the motherbus to outer space. Check it!*

*Translation - have a good weekend, everybody. Especially those of you planting trees.

Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:28 (eighteen years ago)

Y'Don't even need to tell me. Not for us.

Have a good weekend!

G00blar, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:29 (eighteen years ago)

Orson is Geir Hongro music.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

Morning there.

Forest Pines, Monday, 26 February 2007 08:46 (eighteen years ago)

Hi everyone. I did ironing at the weekend. And sleeping. Lots of sleeping.

The Wayward Johnny B, Monday, 26 February 2007 08:50 (eighteen years ago)

Oh the ironing, etc.

Hi there. I've got four more hours to put together this seminar. I can do it, right?

G00blar, Monday, 26 February 2007 08:53 (eighteen years ago)

Orson is Geir Hongro music.

I like their song. But their album, which I'm ashamed to say I bought because I like their song, is utter rubbish. It is the worst kind of cynical pop music.

I think the Oscars have gone tragically downhill since all the men stopped wearing proper tuxes and started dressing instead like they are at a funeral. When you see groups of them on the red carpet now, it looks like they're all saying "are you going back to the house, or are you going home from the church?"

accentmonkey, Monday, 26 February 2007 09:03 (eighteen years ago)

Pash, if it is still relevant, VLC from videolan.org can get you screenshots from DVD.

Ed, Monday, 26 February 2007 09:28 (eighteen years ago)

Glantonwick sounds even better this year, I like the idea of 'Psycho-ceilidh!'.

Ed, Monday, 26 February 2007 09:58 (eighteen years ago)

I'm in a conference!

Mark C, Monday, 26 February 2007 10:12 (eighteen years ago)

It's a BBC Worldwide thingy in Brighton. I feel very alone.

Mark C, Monday, 26 February 2007 10:12 (eighteen years ago)

Orson is Geir Hongro music.

I reckon their music company should use this as the strapline to promote their next album

Tom D., Monday, 26 February 2007 10:15 (eighteen years ago)

For Fathers Day - Geir Hongro Presents : The Very Best Of Modern Soft Rock

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 26 February 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

morning! we planted all the trees ever! and got no sleep! and i fell in love again a bit. came home, got clean, ate curry, fell asleep on sofa. now i am going to get cooooofffeeeeeee...

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 10:26 (eighteen years ago)

OOh, don't mention coffee...

I have had a good weekend! On Friday F and I made all the spacerock in teh world, wibble wibble. I am so excited for the gig now. On Saturday I went on a giant long massive quest to buy spacegoggles. I went to Brixton market but no joy. Went to the army navy surplus shop F reccomended but no joy. Went to Camden Market (!!!!!) and couldn't find anything, even in the goth shop. Honestly! About 5 years ago, there was this big vogue for them in cybergoth circles and they were everywhere, now you can't get goggles for love nor money. But then just as I was about to give up, I walked past this Biker type booth and there among all the leather wristbands and Harley belts were GOGGLES. So they are motorcycle goggles rather than aviators goggles, but they still make me look like a sci fi anime villain which is the point. Yeah.

God, I had not been to Camden Market in YEARS. It has all been moved around now and I can't find anything. That makes me feel so old. It's all like an alternative shopping mall. I miss the dirt.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

Have you tried that weird shop on drummond st?

Ed, Monday, 26 February 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

I would like to plant trees. Tell me where I can plant trees.

I had quite a busy weekend. Went to Freuds (bar in Victorian neo-Classical former church)e arly Friday evening for birthday drinks for friend of work colleague. Then on to Moody's for Stornoway gig mentioned earlier. Excellent gig - the trumpet player had a HORSE'S HEAD! Check their myspace:

http://www.myspace.com/stornoway

Then Saturday night, leaving party for friend who is moving to Rome, then on to the Cellar for Chick's With Decks. Got caught in torrential rain on the way home. Sunday: rushing round to buy ingredients for meal I was cooking for Asia that eve, which was partly a peace offering for having severely pissed her off the night before. It was our first argument in the month and a half we've been seeing each other and is all patched up now I am glad to report. and she told me that she really wants to come on the New River walk, which is cool.

Grandpont Genie, Monday, 26 February 2007 10:50 (eighteen years ago)

Scratch that

Loads on eBay. Pick out some and I can use eBay magic to obtain.

Ed, Monday, 26 February 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

all patched up now I am glad to report.

Hooray!

G00blar, Monday, 26 February 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

I think it's a sad reflection on my life that the thing I got most excited about this weekend was buying a new washing machine.

C J, Monday, 26 February 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

Weird shop on Drummond Street? Do you mean that one behind Euston Station? Everyone reccomnded me that one, but on one could remember the name. Laurence Corner. And no, they didn't have any.

But I did eventually get some! At a motorcycle shop in Camden! So thanks but I do not need eBay.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

Morning…ugh, well, I was pretty ill and spaced-out for most of last week, but I took the risk and went to London on Saturday to go see Lucky Soul and The Actionettes at The Luminaire. Which was a lot of fun, though it's left me with the urge to dress up to the nines at any available opportunity. Last night I sat through 2/3rds of the Oscars before the urge to sleep finally overcame me (yay for Ellen though!). Now, avoiding Oxford today; instead waiting for builders to come and destory our kitchen. And perhaps get a little more sleep sometime.

carson dial, Monday, 26 February 2007 10:56 (eighteen years ago)

Man, CJ, my life would be immeasurably improved by a new washing machine. OK, maybe not immeasureably, but by at least 2 hours more sleep on Sunday mornings.

How were Lucky Soul? I really like their song on the KITC comp. Was that a HDIF night? We're playing one next month or so.

I suppose I should dig out or start a new Shimura Curves thread. Oh dear.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:04 (eighteen years ago)

I thought for a minute you meant Drummond Street, Edinburgh, where there is a sex shop. It used to be a fetishwear shop, but they concentrated on the dildos to the detriment of the rest of the stock.

Forest Pines, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:10 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

Lucky Soul were great! Lots of tambourine shaking and dancing (the singer looked fabulous in her red dress, too ;)). It was a 'Motown-A-Go-Go' night, organised around The Actionettes' dances between the two bands (the other was Father Of The Bride who were going for a 1950s American preppy look, but it didn't quite work for me), with dancing going on early into the morning. It was worth the absolutely-saturating walk home a few hours later!

carson dial, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

they concentrated on the dildos to the detriment of the rest of the stock

... isn't that always the way?

Tom D., Monday, 26 February 2007 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

I had a tedious w/e, I had to drive down to Wakefield and back again to pick up the little feller - 230 mile round trip on one of the most boring stretches of road in the UK. Bored in Yorkshire. Too tired to do any music after I got back. Last night, we tried to get screencaps off the Lillian Gish movie we watched the other night ("way down east"), but it wouldn't work - we just got a black oblong, so we got Jill's digital camera and took pictures. I forgot to bring them in this morning though, some of them came out pretty well. I'll stick them up on photobux0r3t tomorrow.

Pashmina, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:19 (eighteen years ago)

Aw, Ed, I'm looking at yr Flickr and the tree planting looks great fun!

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

I will circulate info on further fun in the countryside type events.

Ed, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:27 (eighteen years ago)

Check the awsesomenous of my tabbard of power.

Ed, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:27 (eighteen years ago)

Can we get him to come onstage with us and announce the next songs, HEARYE HEARYE stylee?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/402640310_8ae233ecf3.jpg

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

[i]I had a tedious w/e[/]

That reads as "I had a tedious wife", there's no way it can't!

Tom D., Monday, 26 February 2007 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

one of the most boring stretches of road in the UK.


That northern bit of the A1?

Forest Pines, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

Only if we play on the isle of Wight (you'll probably get pete into the bargain and he come with his own goggles).

Ed, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

That reads as "I had a tedious wife", there's no way it can't!

hah i read it as that too.

those pics are lovely, esp the ones from saturday sunset.

Only if we play on the isle of Wight (you'll probably get pete into the bargain and he come with his own goggles).

SHIMURA CURVES FOR BESTIVAL (hm i may actually have a lead here...)

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:34 (eighteen years ago)

Excellent! I mean, we've got a place to stay on the Isle of Wight! Is there anywhere to do gigs there, apart from teh crazy seaside bandshell in Ventnor? (Though that would be fun.)

Maybe we can take over a pub in Yarrrrrmouth and have our own little mini festival.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:35 (eighteen years ago)

I can't keep mine eyes off Owen Pallett's ass on Flickr, though. Eep!

Yes, Bestival! Hurrah! Also I have convinced F that Truck is the best thing ever (she was scared it woul dbe too "indie" but really, no no no) so she wants to come to that. (We just need to keep Tr1$tam out of the backstage field.)

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

SHIMURA CURVES FOR PRESIDETN

G00blar, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

(I really need to focus more on my seminar.)

G00blar, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

FOCUS ON YOUR SEMINAR, DANCING BOY!!!

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

My wife is not tedious! I meant weekend, obv.

Yes, the A1 between Gateshead and Leeds = super boring. Marked contrast w/last weekend, when I drove from newcastle-penrith via the hartside summit, through some absolutely beautiful countryside.

Pashmina, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

ok, i've asked about truck and explained the new freeform unpredictable lineup sinewave. i'll ask how best to go about bestival on weds.

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:53 (eighteen years ago)

It's not that unpredictable - I'm just going to take a more collective approach to the band from now on. Me, the Payne sisters and Frances have already confirmed for Truck if they'll have us so that's the old skool lineup right there. Plus some free jazz mandolin and whoever else cares to join us! I have decided that the Parliament/Funkadelic thing is the way forward - there is the kernel of the vocal group that is Shimura Curves, and then err, Shimuradelic is the band that I am assembling around that. Yeah!

Is there nothing between Gateshead and Leeds? I mean, aren't there mountains or rivers or something in the way?

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:56 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.esa.int/esaCP/SEMUDT70LYE_index_0.html

Ed, Monday, 26 February 2007 11:59 (eighteen years ago)

Does Ed get a Shimura-Funk spin off album?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:02 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, Ed will be putting out a Free Folk album some time next year.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

ARGH

how do i shot making jpegs smaller?

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

On the new ILX, or on the interweb in general?

on the interweb, you want to do img src="picture" width="500" (or the new size in pixels) but on the new ILX I've no idea how you would do it!

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:18 (eighteen years ago)

No, there's just a lot of flat fields & some filling stations & a load of pylons. The high point of the journey was that there used to be a hoarding on the back of an old truck for a brothel called "fantasy ranch", which we used to laugh at but even that little distraction has long gone.

Pashmina, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

On the nuILX, I think it automatically shrinks it to a certain maximum size.

G00blar, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

i need to register for a glastonbury ticket. ed took a pic of me and emailed it to me but it has to be under 400k and it's 663k. the interweb is NO BLOODY HELP AT ALL as it is all for web designers or wants me to pay.

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

Can't you do that in Paint? Image Attributes? Or does that just crop it?

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

i haven't got paint on this computer. there is something else i couldn't figure out how to use before, i will try it again. cropping it would be fine.

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

mail it back to me and I can do it for you

Ed, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

i done it!

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:36 (eighteen years ago)

xpost thank you though!

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)

also kaet the sleeping in a tent in feb thing we were talking about last week... i took 2x sleeping bags and 1xsleeping mat and didn't even need any blankies. toasty!

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:44 (eighteen years ago)

It wasn't that cold though (a good thing).

Ed, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:45 (eighteen years ago)

yes, this is the point i am making.

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

Ah well, I'm still new to this whole Camping thing. If I'd gone, it would have pissed with rain and been freezing the whole weekend. Also, I would not have been able to get GOGGLES.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 12:56 (eighteen years ago)

I'm off to teach the children about Their Eyes Were Watching God. Mostly I hope I can just start things rolling and then THEY TALK for the two hours. Not bloody likely.

G00blar, Monday, 26 February 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

ARgh!" I am so confused! It turns out that Shoegazing is TONIGHT (and I am not dressed for it) but that means that I CAN go to folk on Wednesday. But it also means I will not have a single night in for the rest of the week!

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 13:04 (eighteen years ago)

those are the good weeks.

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

No, no, no, I need rest and relaxation or I get cranky. I am now having doubts about Friday because I definitely need to rest for the gig. But I want to see Kontacte.

Ha ha, Jazz Party is GRATE!!! But this is 1920s jazz which is more like swing and big band and therefore GOOD instead of like beebop and freejazz nonsense.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

Online image resizing thing.

braveclub, Monday, 26 February 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

thank you! that would have been much simpler. i have bookmarked it for next time.

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

Rowr indeed.

While we're on the subject of rowr, sorry I mentioned the JAZZ PARTY up there without appropriate postage:

{image]http://www.qvoice.co.uk/Data/artistpix/Julian_Barratt.jpg[/image]

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

Bah!

http://www.qvoice.co.uk/Data/artistpix/Julian_Barratt.jpg

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

Errr, blimey! That picture comes from the site of his agent for voiceover work. I could hire him for a voiceover? I wonder how much he costs! Blimey, that would be awesome...

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 15:37 (eighteen years ago)

The things you could get him to say!!!

Mark G, Monday, 26 February 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

Well, no, actually I would just have him spout random bollocks about SPACE and MATHS for the Shimura Curves album. I mean, even just to get a snippet of him saying PREPARE TO ENTER THE MATHS TRANCE!!! or something.

I mean, we got Benjamin Curtis to let us sample him spouting bollocks, and we didn't have to pay him.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

That little jazz party clip is great, I thought you'd like it (but obv didn't want to say "here, listen to this jazz, you will like it!) - I don't know if I'd want a load of music like that, but I'll probably drop a $50 donation to the vitaphone project next month, and pick up the CD of the complete soundtrack.

Pashmina, Monday, 26 February 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

Voiceover is not cheap if it's someone as well known as him!

Dr.C, Monday, 26 February 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

Aw, I didn't think it would be. Damn. They had a sample of him doing some voiceover on a C4 despatches documentary but I thought it woudl be too sad to download it and listen to it.

The problem with the jazz party music is, now I *really* want to see the film, because I'd love to see hott flappers and suave men in dapper 20s suits dancing to it.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

Also, I don't even have a recording studio so much as a corner of my living room and that might be awkward! Heh.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

Boogaboo everyone. So how does dinner at Tayyab a week from today sound? (Earlyish so I can make the Brett A. show.) MegaRoxorFAP still on for the Friday.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

It would be great if "Why Be Good" came out on DVD, the weird copyright situation w/r/t old movies might fuck it up, I don't know. Get onto your local art house cinema and hassle them to show a print of it, once it's been restored!

Pashmina, Monday, 26 February 2007 15:54 (eighteen years ago)

Boogaboo everyone. So how does dinner at Tayyab a week from today sound? (Earlyish so I can make the Brett A. show.) MegaRoxorFAP still on for the Friday.

sounds good. then the rest of us can head to the g00blar gig at the hoxton bar & grill.

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

I am sad to miss the G00blar gig. :-/ Tayyab actually probably not happening since I gather it's mostly a meaty restaurant, to quote Ed, so a good veg or veg-friendly place would be better (Hina is strictly vegetarian).

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

But the point being, Monday dinner get-together still on, surely!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 26 February 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

Argh, yes of course. So much to keep track of! But on the other thread, people are saying that this restaurant is super-meaty so we might have to go somewhere more veg-friendly.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

Is not also G00blar playing?

We can do both if Ned is off to Brett.

Ed, Monday, 26 February 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

Argh, to shoegaze or not tonight? Bah, I am such a lazy bugger. I don't really want to go out.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, it's back.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 17:02 (eighteen years ago)

This afternoon is dragging terribly. Oh wait, it's nearly over.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

And are you shoegazing or now officially too old to go out shoegazing?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 26 February 2007 17:39 (eighteen years ago)

ok i am really confused. i just finished watching nathan barley and the episode i saw before, the one that weirded me out because i thought it had me in it, a me-clone, taking the piss out of her, it doesn't exist. what is going on? what else could i be getting it mixed up with? something v like n barley.

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)

(can i have arcade fire plizz?)

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 17:43 (eighteen years ago)

I still haven't made up my mind.

Lost in the world of Flickr. We were talking the other night about how Flickr puts things in your face that you'd rather not see, and how images can be more powerful than simple knowledge. So I was looking at her ex's Flickr coz she said he had got all jowly. (He had.) And I was expecting a lot more photos of my ex, but there weren't any for ages. And then up out of nowhere, popped up an old (but still post breakup) photo of him, and he just looked... not awful, but just not the way I remembered him at all. It's just funny, how, when you're in love with someone, you're just kind of oblivious to their faults, physical or otherwise. I'd never noticed before what an ugly mouth he has. I just didn't think he was that attractive. It's weird; before, pictures of him used to be like a knife to my gut. Now I just think he looks kinda... dopey. Also, he is (also) getting fat and god, such awful taste in clothes.

Maybe I am, finally, over him.

x-x-x-post

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 17:49 (eighteen years ago)

Watch your inbox.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 17:52 (eighteen years ago)

thanks!

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

What did everyone think of the new Arcade Fire?
I liked it.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

I still haven't made up mine mind on that, either. It sounds too much like Bruce Springsteen in places.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:31 (eighteen years ago)

ha i was listening to one of the tracks i had before you sent me this and thinking about what you said about brooce and giggling, i do see what you mean. but he still sounds more like himself (also from what i've heard i'm gonna be the same with this album as i was with the last one) so it's fine...

emsk, Monday, 26 February 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

OK, it turns out that one of the support bands is the Flowers of Hell, who we are playing with next week, so I should go. Yeah. Decision made.

Masonic Boom, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:00 (eighteen years ago)

Morning, folks. Taking sides: getting a good night's sleep on your own, or waking up all the time but with someone to cuddle up to?

Forest Pines, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 08:53 (eighteen years ago)

The second option.

Dr.C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 08:54 (eighteen years ago)

I think I agree, but it made a nice change to sleep right through last night.

Of course, the other answer is to persuade your partner to buy a really, really nice bed...

Forest Pines, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 08:57 (eighteen years ago)

So yesterday I taught Their Eyes Were Watching God, a classic work of African-American fiction. After the seminar, the one black kid in the class stayed behind to talk to me. He told me that he goes to M0reh0use, an all-black college (he's in London for a year), and that "being the only black male in class here, I felt less uncomfortable in your seminar than I did a week ago in the Harlem Renaissance lecture [taught by someone else]." And that was it; he was off.

It was odd, especially the way he phrased it, sort of faint praise. But I kind of think he wouldn't have stayed behind to tell me that if it wasn't meant to be a compliment. So then I felt pretty good about myself! Until I went and found out who taught the Harlem Renaissance lecture: my supervisor.

G00blar, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:00 (eighteen years ago)

Hold on, some of this thread from yesterday morning is missing, isn't it?

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:27 (eighteen years ago)

They've disappearing into the weirdy " skipping 15546423 messages here, click to load them" thing.

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

They've disappearing, wtf?

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:34 (eighteen years ago)

Wha? Whazzat?

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:35 (eighteen years ago)

everything's gone... bendy in here...

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:40 (eighteen years ago)

they are all there.

Ed, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:41 (eighteen years ago)

They're only hiding?

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

What professions could I do with a lot of outdoor work?

Ed, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

There's a black hole in the thread! We're going to be sucked in and turned into post spaghetti!

carson dial, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

The non-user-friendliness of the hidden answers = my least favourite thing about nu-nu-ILX (after the getting logged out every nano-second thing and the not-knowing-who-loads-of-people-are thing)

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:46 (eighteen years ago)

Ed, you could be a cockfarmer. Or a builder. Or a geography teacher who takes loads of field trips all the time.

(aye, xposts, I miss them too)

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

Don't forget the xpost-notification no show, that'[s kinda annyoing, esp on fast threads.

The Wayward Johnny B, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, but it's pretty funny sometimes too.

G00blar, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

(was sorta hoping that'd be an xpost)

G00blar, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

windsurf instructor

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

Surf Instructor
Windsock Inspector

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:55 (eighteen years ago)

Football referee?

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:55 (eighteen years ago)

whoa bizarre!

when i was 14 or 15 i did my work experience here - http://www.merthyr.gov.uk/Home/Leisure+and+Tourism/Tourism/Activities+and+Outdoor+Pursuits/Dolygaer+Outdoor+Education+Centre/ - and wanted to work there, or somewhere like it. i still think it would be a wicked place to work.

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

Go West young man! Or North!

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:01 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah that disappearing messages thing is nuts - why doe we have that? Still I shouldn't carp - nu-ILX is great really.

Where's Ms. Boom this morning?

I'm arsing around playing guitar and doing fun stuff working at home again today, in fact I have to go in only 2 days in the next 2 weeks, which is kind of helping me get sorted. I'm missing Beryl though.

Anyone know how you get points taken off your driving licence - I think you have to fill in a form and send your licence off when they've expired. Anyone know?

GREAT band rehearsal with #2 band last night - it's wonderful to be able to go completely nuts on guitar and not have to play the bleedin' keyboards. It's sounding really, really powerful now - we'll be ready for gigs soon. I am in a real quandry with band #1 still. Everything about the situation is driving me crazy, yet I don't want to miss out on the action if anything happens with the album. I mean I've put a lot into the band over the past 3 years. Gaaaah!

Dr.C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:22 (eighteen years ago)

We're all missing Beryl!

Forest Pines, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:27 (eighteen years ago)

The points on your licence laose after three years, but they actually have to stay on your licence for FOUR years before you can apply to have them taken off. Which seems very unfair.

I'm not sure there's a special form, I think you just send the licence back to the DVLA with a covering letter, and they do it all for you.

C J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

laose = lapse, obv

C J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

Uh - so there's a year when you have the points, but you sort of don't? Well it's only 3 points, but I RESENT having them! (Stopped for doing 81mph on an entirely empty motorway at 2 in the morning! The limit is 70+10%+2 mph = 79 mph). I suppose rules is rules and that, but.....

Dr.C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, there's a year in which you technically don't have any points, but they are still shown on your licence. I haven't made this up, I got it straight from the horse's mouth. Well, not really a horse, obviously. That would be silly.

C J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:41 (eighteen years ago)

Not if it was a police horse

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:42 (eighteen years ago)

Police horses don't go at 81 mph. What would they know about speeding?

C J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

They might if they were in a horse box

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

I don't get why they're shown on my licence if I don't have them anymore. I either have them or I don't.

Dr.C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:47 (eighteen years ago)

I think I need to have a job where I can legitimately wear high viz.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/150/403821084_afe7b2adeb.jpg?v=0
link

Ed, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:48 (eighteen years ago)

What about a job as a Fenwood Plant Gangmaster?

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:49 (eighteen years ago)

A traffic cop!

Dr.C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:50 (eighteen years ago)

How to get points removed from your licence

[Removed Illegal Link]

It seems silly, but it's a fact that they have technically lapsed after three years (if you were to accrue any more points after year three, they wouldn't be totted up to make you lose your licencem for example, just added to the licence as though you didn't already have any other points) but you cannot apply to have lapsed points removed until after four years. Maybe the last year is just a cruel reminder, or like probation or something.

C J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

Forklift truck driver!

(I was nearly one of them)

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

A driver for a TOC like EWS or Freightliner whose drivers have to do shunter work?

Forest Pines, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:56 (eighteen years ago)

That second link which seems to have decided to become 'illegal' is

http://www.directgov.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/EndorsementsAndDisqualifications/DG_4022550

C J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

Lollipop Lady!

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks CJ. I will grin and bear the points for another year then.

Dr.C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:59 (eighteen years ago)

Couldn't you just buy yourself a fluorescent jacket and wear it anyway, irrespective of what job you do? You coud start a fashion trend.

C J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:59 (eighteen years ago)

Isn't there a band who does that? Or are they train driver's uniforms?

I tell you what I want (what I really really want) - one of those donkey jackets with a vinyl bit on the back at the top for when you carry sacks of coal. I always used to have one of those when I was a student, but I haven't seen one for years.

Dr.C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:08 (eighteen years ago)

now i can't work out if cj and dr c are taking the piss or not.

leftover turkish food for breakfast num num. i went out with the invisible german last night and we talked about boys and stuffed our faces. i highly recommend testi on stoke newington high street.

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:12 (eighteen years ago)

I tell you what I want (what I really really want) - one of those donkey jackets with a vinyl bit on the back

I want one of those RAF greatcoats, I used to have one, so I can wander around with a stack of Blodwyn Pig and Tucky Buzzard LPs under my arm

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

Dr C, that is a Trigger from Only Fools and Horses jacket and it will make you look silly. Don't do it!

I just got shafted for a job I really really really really wanted. I actually cried. And now I feel so sick I can't eat my lunch.

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

RAF greatcoat

C J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

Oh ailsa, I'm sorry. Maybe not getting that job means there's an even better one waiting for you around the corner!

C J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

Tucky Buzzard! I had always thought that they had at least one member of The Sweet in them (Andy Scott or Mick Tucker) before the Sweet started up, but I've just googled them and they didn't. Why did I think that?

Dr.C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

aw ailsa, that sucks. i'm sorry.

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

I love those RAF greatcoats, but unfortunately it's a bit Torchwood these days, n'est-ce pas?

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:24 (eighteen years ago)

Torchwood won't be around for ever.

C J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:24 (eighteen years ago)

They mispublicised the closing date - I thought I had until tomorrow and was taking advice from elsewhere to make sure everything was perfect, and turns out they closed it last week and have filled it already and I didn't even get my perfectly-crafted CV read :-/

I've emailed to explain where I saw the job advertised and why I applied six days past their closing date and apologising for inconveniencing them, so hopefully a door may remain open and they won't just go "idiot couldn't even get her CV in on time". But still...

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

x-post Oh no! I bet they didn't deserve you Ailsa. It's their loss! Don't be upset. (collective watercooler hug for Ailsa)

Ah yes - a Trigger jacket. But I look silly anyway. I used to do quizzes with OF&H landlord Mike, he was a lovely, lovely bloke. His missus taught both of my kids to swim. Very sad.

Dr.C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

does anyone have any warnings/recommendations for these phones?

nokia
5300
6131
e50
6233
7373 (pink)
5500 sport

samsung
e900
x830

ericsson
k710i
z710i
k610i
w810i
w710i

?

they are some of the ones i can get for free. apparently if i call back tomorrow they will give me more choices.

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

If they cocked up the closing date, then it's their fault, not yours ... and they probably HAVE to offer you an interview.

C J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:42 (eighteen years ago)

I'd considered that, but what for if they've already given the job to someone else? What about the person they've already offered the job to?

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:43 (eighteen years ago)

gah i was being insensitive sorry. yeah ailsa, you can't be the only one to have believed the wrong information. also they are shooting themselves in the foot by not seeing you and your awesome cv, right?

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:44 (eighteen years ago)

If you are only six days late, it's unlikely they will have invited people for interview, taken up references etc yet. There might be more than one round of interviews anyway!

Be proactive, and hassle them a bit! Have you got the name of the person you would report to in that job? Phone them! Tell them that if they employed you, your work would be MORE ACCURATE than their lousy mis-advertisement!

C J, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

Morning. Afternoon. Whatever it is.

Shoegazing really kicked my arse last night and I didn't even get home until nearly 2am so I couldn't get out of bed and then had to run around and do all the band organising stuff I couldn't do last night this morning and now I'm super late, argh.

But it was good, it was really really good, and I'm glad I went! Was worrying about not knowing anyone there, but I really shouldn't do that any more, I've been going for so long. Literally, I walk in the door and the bouncer asked if I had tickets and I said no, but the bloke who runs the club (Nat) was standing there and was all "ah, I know her, let her in" and then asked if I wanted the test pressing white label of the new School of Seven Bells single... do I FUCK!!! I had to chase him around all night to get it but I told him I wasn't leaving until I did. Tee hee hee.

The Flowers of Hell were amazing - I'm now super excited to play with them next week. It was a bit weird going into a club I go to regularly and seeing flyers for a show my band was playing all over the place. But I kept running into people I knew - K and B were there, and R from the Early Years and then it was just aaaahhh, I know everyone in the front row! So yeah. Great time. Flowers of Hell were GRATE they had the machine that goes WUBWUBWUB from Spacemen 3 and trumpets and violins and Nik Turner playing saxophone and flute. Sarabeth Tucek was alright, she did a sort of acoustic thing but her guitarist was phenomenal. And the Black Angels, my god, they kicked me on my arse. Texan spacerock, why is it so good? Oh yeah, cause NASA is in Texas.

anyway... yeah! Good times.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

Yes. Phone them and be apologetic (even if it's their fault) but point out the reason why your application was late. Don't get into a discussion with them about whether it was your fault or theirs - just tell them that you're a great candidate and that you'd like the chance to meet them. I bet you get an interview.

Dr.C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 12:52 (eighteen years ago)

Nik Turner! Blimey.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:06 (eighteen years ago)

He's gotta be 65!

Dr.C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

No, they've filled it. I emailed him already to check. I was terribly sensible and polite about it all on the off-chance they've hired wrongly in their rush and have to re-advertise - just pointing out where I'd seen the vacancy advertised and why I'd approached the hiring chap directly rather than going through the third-party advertisers who'd taken it off their site despite having bookmarked the info (including the closing date!).

Now I'm giving up and looking elsewhere.

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

Also, I don't want to say any more about it in public, because I may still end up working there :-)

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:10 (eighteen years ago)

(It wasn't the real Nik Turner, it was just a much younger lookylike who did indeed play sax and flute.)

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

He's gotta be 65!

Has he learned how to play yet?

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

Emsk, of those the Nokia e50 has killer battery life (6hrs talk 240 standby or something like that) and is probably best for you. the e stands for Enterprise and as such it will have a huge phone book. It's got an acceptable browser and email client too and a screen just about big enough to make use of them.

The w810 is what suzy has.

Ed, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:16 (eighteen years ago)

They were all very cute. I could not tell for a while if the bass player was a boy or a girl. If the latter, he could have been Ed's dream date. But alas, turned out to be a boy. Rowr.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:17 (eighteen years ago)

Couldn't you just buy yourself a fluorescent jacket and wear it anyway, irrespective of what job you do? You coud start a fashion trend.

I'm already on that thanks to Rev Hammer.

Ed, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

Has he learned how to play yet?

I doubt it very much, somehow!

Pashmina, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

They were all very cute. I could not tell for a while if the bass player was a boy or a girl. If the latter, he could have been Ed's dream date. But alas, turned out to be a boy. Row


curses

Ed, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

ailsa that sounds sort of promising! hoping it works out.

thanks ed. yeah, the e50 is cuet as well. but the 6233 is cueter - stainless steel - sounds good for me who has 0 respect for my phone. lady at o2 about the 7373: "it's pink and it swivels. it's really quite a nice phone!" clearly having sussed that i am a gurl...

heheh kate i'm glad you had a good time. also i LOVE this arcade fire album. i am thinking of walking everywhere for the next 2 days so i can listen to it on repeat. oh wait, bad idea, that would mean leaving for work at 7.30 or something, and fuck a leaving the house at 7.30am.

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

Sarabeth Tucek

I read this as being a World of Warcraft type name - "the fortress of Sarabeth Tucek by the river of G'niloth Frusk" type thing

Mark C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:22 (eighteen years ago)

I'm already on that thanks to Rev Hammer

ooh can you why ess aye me that song pls?

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:23 (eighteen years ago)

yes, I keep forgetting

the e50 is a descendent of the 6110 series of phones which were indestructible. The 6223 looks like the stainless is stuck on,

Ed, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:25 (eighteen years ago)

Argh, no pink swivelly phones, this way evil lies. Shiny silver is the way forward.

The Arcade Fire album is starting to grow on me, but I still don't think it's as good as the first. Though I listen to music at work, and maybe that changes my perception of things. I like things that are super repetative with an up beat.

"the fortress of Sarabeth Tucek by the river of G'niloth Frusk"

Ha ha, not quite. She used to be in the BJM apparently. Everyone in the world has been in the BJM at some point. There was a rumour went round that *I* was in the BJM, but alas it wasn't true.

Oh, I am so excited for Saturday now. Half the Shoegaze scene are coming! I hope we aren't rubbish, argh, nerves. Here was me thinking it would be a low key experimental show and no one would come and now all these people that bring out my teenage "ohmigod, I would like to impress them" urges are going to be there. Relax, relax, it will be OK.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

BJM?

Barclay James, errrrr, Marvest?

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

blowjob mafia?

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, what's BJM?

Ha - I've had the Bowie Sound and Vision box playing thru all morning and we're now about 2 or 3 tracks away from the TIN MACHINE tracks!

Dr.C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:35 (eighteen years ago)

Brian Jonestown Massacre. Sorry, those of us in drone/shoegaze circles know those three letters can only be one thing. PSYCHOSIS. I should dig out my shirt because it's OLD SKOOL and there wereall these people there last night wearing the new shirts which aren't as good.

::bounce::

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

OK, the Flowers of Hell album = Spacemen 3. Seriously. Sonic Boom is all over this album. It's just "Transparent Radiation/Ecstacy Symphony" over and over. This is the highest compliment I could pay a record.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

Have you read that thread that Louis started? He asked the HMV guy for recommendations what to buy and he left with a Biffy Clyro album hahaha

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

They're one of those Drowned In Sound bands I just don't get.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

Argh, my colleagues are looking over CVs for a new person. One of them just said "ohmiod, this person finished high school in 1989 - argh, they were 18 in 1989, so old!" which just made me really depressed. :-(

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

I know. We will be 37 this year. Within a month of each other!

accentmonkey, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

Pff. 42 this year. 42!

Pashmina, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

I suppose it is because they are recruiting for a very entry level position, and I'm technically in management. But I don't think anyone in this department actually knows how OLD I am. I don't act like an old person, I suppose.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

lalala 35 this year *skips round like a youngster*

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

Dude wrote me off OKC and I was all "argh, 41, a bit too old..." then realised that 4 years older than me is a perfect age gap...

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

lalala 35 this year *skips round like a youngster*

Bloody kids. I will smack you with my ear trumpet.

accentmonkey, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

Ohmigod, I just got given a champagne truffle. Boozy chocolatey GOODNESS. Where can I get more?

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:01 (eighteen years ago)

Thorntons!

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:08 (eighteen years ago)

Thorntons used to do these vodka and orange truffles that were really vodka-y. Mmmmmmmm. I want some RIGHT NOW but (1) I am in my pyjamas and (2) I don't think they've made them for years.

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

No, these were way posher than Thorntons. (I don't actually like Thorntons chocolate, it's a bit sickly.) Apparently they were a pound a piece! But worth it...

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

YAY ailsa i am also in my pyjamas! is bloody freezing in here though, think i may have to go and have a shower.

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

... you obviously have very considerate employers

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

I bought in a chocolate and chestnut truffle cake for the team at work today. It's lovely with a dollop of mascarpone so I bought in a tub of that too. Needless to say it all disappeared in record time.

The Wayward Johnny B, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)

JB, why don't you work in my office? That sounds gorgeous.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

I am a considerate employee, i.e. at home in my pyjamas rather than distributing snottery germs round the office.

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

HI DERE

I had lunch with my supervisor and actually came out feeling ok about my phd! I've actually cleared some things up, and may be interested in my work again!

G00blar, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 15:53 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, that's good to hear, G00blar. It's nice to have a sense of direction again.

I wish I could get re-interested in my work but eh... the only thing that keeps me going is dronerock records and ILX being dull.

I am going to lay a bet right now - I've been asked to add certain figures to these 3 different reports. Because the 3 different reports measure things different ways, these figures are going to be different on the reports, even though they are supposedly measuring the same thing. I have explained this to my colleague. What do you want to bet, when they are finished - that they come right back and say "why don't they balance across the three reports?"

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

Also those habit/traits that drive you nuts threads are the BEST THING EVER for reminding me why I'm single and making me feel very happy and good about being single. That I never have to deal with any of those things ever. Hah!

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:02 (eighteen years ago)

Morning. It is cold and rainy here today. Clearly I'm being prepared for my visit.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

Hi, Ned!

Forest Pines, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

morning! it is cold and rainy here too.

yay g00blar!

aw i think those threads are quite sweet... they seem to be pretty affectionate about the whole thing.

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

x-post - they're not very important things Kate really.

Dr.C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

Hi, Ned!

Emsk, I'm just not going to listen to you on the subject for a while now. :-P

It's easy to get kind of maudlin and unhappy about being the LAST SINGLE PERSON ON EARTH especially when you've been to a shoegazing club and seen all the pretty boys. But when you remember that boys do annoying things like DRINK MILK STRAIGHT OUT OF THE CARTON THAT YOU ARE GOING TO USE FOR YOUR TEA, PUTTING THEIR MEATY LIPS ALL OVER YOUR FOOD then it makes you pretty happy to be single.

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

Is that the worst thing you can think of that boys do?

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

Hello all, yes indeed. Hmmm, next week is turning out to be quite a treat for me! B.L.A.M. and I are plotting going to the British Museum and various other schemes are being hatched.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

Haha, I do that too (the drinking-milk-out-of-the-carton thing)! I do ALL those annoying things, except the being a neat-freak things. And someone still wuvs me despite it because there's all this other stuff too, hurrah!

Um, Kate, you aren't even the last single person on this thread, are you?

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

that's pretty gross. i would be well pissed off.

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

No, that would be PUTTING THEIR FOOD ALL OVE.... I don't think I can bring myself to say the rest.

Mark C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

What, even if they wipe their mouth with the back of their hand before drinking?

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

You people are invoking grotesqueries that trouble my tender soul.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

Ach, it's only my mouth, does he not want me kissing him with it either?

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:14 (eighteen years ago)

haha tom

(i mean, i drink from the carton/bottle/whatever as well, unless i am sick. but it's different as i am meat-free and therefore CLEAN)

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

I don't drink from the carton because I wasn't raised in a barn.

G00blar, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

Neither was I, I was raised in a field instead

Tom D., Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Wouldn't that mean you don't drink from the teat?

Mark C, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

Good god, you all. For once I'm trying to say that something is making me happy, and you jump all over me telling me that I shouldn't be enjoying it? You want me to be miserable, don't you?

Drinking out of a container of milk that you share with others is just FOUL. It's the height of bad manners and ickiness. It's just gross. It's one thing to kiss someone, but quite another for them to leave their saliva slobbered all over a food dispensing item and put it back in the fridge for their saliva to ferment.

::shudders::

I mean, it's one thing to share a carton of something you are both drinking - waterbottle or something. But honestly! Milk in the fridge! We might have friends round and then I put that milk in their tea! Ugh!

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

I won't be 35 til next year. People always think im about 28 or 29 (when i've shaved that is haha)

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

OK, no-one ever visits us, and we drink different kinds of milk, so it's only my milk carton really anyway and I only do it when I'm hungover. but still, as Tom says, it's hardly the worst partner-offence. Not when people leave their stinky trainers in the middle of the living room floor for example.

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:23 (eighteen years ago)

I don't drink milk from the carton because milk is vile.

Pashmina, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

How long until someone mentions toilet seats?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

I don't drink milk or OJ from the carton because I just KNOW that it'll go all down my front due to improper estimation of the liquid contained within said container.

The Wayward Johnny B, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

I was gonna say that as well, JB.

G00blar, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

what are you all doing tonight? i am going to teh pub.

emsk, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 18:15 (eighteen years ago)

Going to rehearsal!

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 18:16 (eighteen years ago)

Rehersal tonight
Folk tomorrow
? thursday
Dinner with sister friday
gig saturday
Dance sunday
g00blar monday
collapse tuesday

Ed, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

Rehersal tonight
Folk tomorrow
MONTHEND Thursday
Friday another shoegazer club (if monthend finished and no emergency rehearsal scheduled)
gig saturday
Collapse Sunday
g00blar/Ned monday

Masonic Boom, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 18:22 (eighteen years ago)

Tonight: nothing
Tomorrow: nothing (unless Onimo fancies a pint and giving me some books like what he promised ages ago)
Thursday: picking parents up from airport
Friday: packing
Saturday: going to Florida, hurrah!

ailsa, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

Verdompt, dancing is thursday, not sunday.

Ed, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

Morning (again)

Forest Pines, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 09:01 (eighteen years ago)

G'morning.

Houseguest is leaving today, thankgod.

G00blar, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 09:02 (eighteen years ago)

Morning. Did your houseguest drink milk out of the carton g?

I am listening to enforecd yodelling as it's one of the only things that keeps Alice calm, bizarrely.

Archel, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 09:05 (eighteen years ago)

i have changed my mind about the pembury, now i think it is GREBT. they are launching the hackney big green map there tonight. i don't really know what this is but i might go anyway. then
thursday gig
friday gig (working at)
saturday gig
sunday treasure hunt
monday ned/g00blar
tuesday dunno, mebbe out of town
wednesday gig
thursday ed/ned potluck

er ok that's more than a week.

so how is people's lent stuff going? mine has made me realise i barely ever go to supermarkets, i haven't had to think about it at all. which sort of misses the point but anyway...

emsk, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 09:05 (eighteen years ago)

Did your houseguest drink milk out of the carton g?

No, nothing like that. She left my friend at the altar, though.

G00blar, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 09:07 (eighteen years ago)

sunday treasure hunt

update?

G00blar, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 09:07 (eighteen years ago)

Tonight : nothing
Tomorrow : darts
Friday : something, but can't remember what.
Sat : people coming round I think (sisters?)
Sun : dunno

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 09:20 (eighteen years ago)

Goth Bouzouki!

[image]http://mitglied.lycos.de/springwalker/bath/1.jpg[image]
image link

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 09:31 (eighteen years ago)

Wed:: Washing + Ironing + listening to this mixtape what friend gave me in return. Lots of hip-hop on it, a ganre which I'm clueless about, so should be interesting.
Thu: Getting stuff ready for the weekend, packing etc.
Fri: Off to Leamington to see new FB(!) for the weekend
Sat/Sun: Whatever she's got in mind, I suppose.

eeep!

The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 09:36 (eighteen years ago)

bah

http://mitglied.lycos.de/springwalker/bath/1.jpg

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 09:37 (eighteen years ago)

No-one asked, but I'm going to tell my upcoming week anyway. Nothing till Saturday, and then Branford Marsalis in the National Concert Hall on Saturday night, and Mister Monkey comes home from Mountain View on Sunday. Hooray!

accentmonkey, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 10:05 (eighteen years ago)

where is Mountain View?

I am being driven to distraction by horrible high pitched feedback sounds from the PA downstairs. My colleague Steve just walked past and said "I feel like I'm at ATP". We are about to be addressed by one of our Hoboken overlords who has the same name as the guy who had a hit with "Sinful" back in 1986, albeit with a slightly different spelling.

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 10:10 (eighteen years ago)

oh noes! Now we are being treated to "1-2", "1-2" over and over again. I expect "Sibilance, sssssssibilance" to begin very shortly....

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 10:11 (eighteen years ago)

where is Mountain View?

It is in Silicon Valley. It is where the G00gl3 mothership is based.

accentmonkey, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

one of the G00gl3 shuttlecraft is to be found right here in Oxford! In what used to be my office!

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 10:14 (eighteen years ago)

Do you get addressed by your overlords over the PA in a Big Brother stylee? That's not very C21 management!

It's absolutely pissing it down here in Ox. How the rest of Watercooler finding it?

The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 10:31 (eighteen years ago)

Amazingly, sunny down here, but aye, I can see the clouds a'movin in.

G00blar, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 10:31 (eighteen years ago)

it must only be raining in Business Park South in that case, Johnney!

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 10:47 (eighteen years ago)

It's got sunny now. Was it not hailing for you earlier?

The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 10:51 (eighteen years ago)

It's pissing down here and my badly-drainaged back garden is like a swimming pool :-(

ailsa, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

Blinding sunshine on my side of Oxford!

The rest of the week is probbly going to be quiet for me, as Mr Unruly is working a lunchtime through to 2am shift for the next seven days, so no going out in the evenings for us. I will just be pottering around at home; I've got some sewing and reading to do, a dolls house to do some more work on, children to look after, housework to do etc etc. I might watch that thing on telly tonight with Eddie Izzard in it as a manic chef, it looks as though it might be quite good.

C J, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

It'a actually kinda sunny in Edinburgh at the minute. I expect it'll be cold in the wind though.

treefell, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

Rehearsal was fun last night, I'm really looking forward to saturday.

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 11:15 (eighteen years ago)

Were you mandolining, Ed? Learnt all the chords?

The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, what was it like?

G00blar, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 11:26 (eighteen years ago)

Tonight: Rehearsal
Thursday: hmm, nothing, I think.
Friday: Poptimism?
Saturday: Friend in town for her birthday-YAY, missing SCIV-BOO!
Sunday: Treasure hunt?
Monday: Gig

G00blar, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 11:30 (eighteen years ago)

Tonight: cold chillin'
Tomorrow: F**tball Manager 2007 with my best mate
Friday: cold chillin'
Saturday: cleaning bike and taking it for a service
Sunday: lunch with various ILXors, and then, if I can manage it, the Four 4 Wiz gig
Monday: Project Catwalk/America's Next Top Model

Mark C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 11:40 (eighteen years ago)

Tonight: not sure, depends how Herself feels.
Tomorrow: ditto
Friday: staying at home
Saturday: see tonight
Sunday: ditto
...

Forest Pines, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 11:48 (eighteen years ago)

You're a slave to the girl, FP. I'm somewhat jealous.

I've kind of got down what I am supposed to be doing, it was so much easier playing with Kate and FMM the with the CD. There's one song I need to work out and a free jazz wig out as well. I just need to work out how to stop playing C from hurting my fretting fingers (I think the action is a little high and I don't have an adjustable bridge, Norman do you have any views on this?).

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

Free jazz wig out! Yeah!

Morning. Just? Probably won't be by the time I post this. Urgh, I need a QNI desperately so I fear I may not make it to folk tonight.

Yes, rehearsal last night was really good! It's quite interesting, having the Old and the New all playing together but it works really well. The mandolin kind of takes up the rhythmic and almost percussive space that a rhythm guitar would fill, but with a much more interesting tone - also good that it cuts through all the wibbling noize that F and I generate.

It was pissing down with rain as I was getting here from the train station, but now it is sunny. Go figure.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:10 (eighteen years ago)

SPACEFOLK
MANDO-LIZER
PLUCKDRONE
RURAL PSYCHE

G00blar, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:13 (eighteen years ago)

If you even mention Fr**k F*lk then both Ed and F will KEEEEEL you. But "spacefolk" is kind of good. Psacefolk. P-Folk.

MAKE MY FOLK THE P-FOLK I WANTS TO GET FOLKED UP!!!

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:16 (eighteen years ago)

folktronica?

Grandpont Genie, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

hi dere
today i continue countdown to L O S T
tomorrow i watch L O S T !
friday i begin countdown to next L O S T

woe is me

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

How is thee mandolin amplified?

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

We don't know yet. Last night we were playing at pretty low volumes but the mandolin cut through. I guess we're going to have to just mic it at the Windmill. I feel no guilt about this when I see what the Flowers of Hell are going to be throwing at the soundman.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:20 (eighteen years ago)

I'm also in L O S T countdown mode g-kit, you're not alone.

But combined with House countdown, Heroes countdown, The Office countdown and Scrubs countdown, at least it's all kind of spread through the week. Sometimes I think I should just move to the States and have done with it.

Archel, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

Contact mike/pickup thingy might work?

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:29 (eighteen years ago)

What happened to the not having a telly thing, Archie?

Mark C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:31 (eighteen years ago)

I will be in teh States next week and am looking forward to watching Heroes and L O S T properly on a telly as teh good lord intended (I suspect this might not feature in the plans of my travelling companions and kindly hosts so much)

ailsa, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

I wanted to listen to the funk after I left you, unfortunately I seem to have exorcised it all from the iPod, so no Bootzilla for me as I walked back from Shoreditch, although what I was specifically after was Silly Savage by the Golden Toadstools. I had to steel for the undisputed truth and some dub instead.

Where are you going to in FL Alisa what to do?

Mark, haahah, erm, no.

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

I am ostensibly going to Bradenton to visit my brother and his family. I may also be going to Dade City to visit some other family. I am probably going to theme parks to be a tourist and we were going to go and see a shuttle launch at Kennedy but that's been delayed due to damage to the shuttle . My dad wants to go to the Everglades. We're only going for a fortnight and I think will be spending most of it behind the wheel of a car!

ailsa, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:46 (eighteen years ago)

Shuttle launch! Shuttle launch! That would be awesome. I've only ever seen it land, and that's just kind of like watching an airplane.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

I still don't have a telly Mark! I can't stomach adverts, nor most of what's on, so I selectively view stuff online.

Archel, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 12:50 (eighteen years ago)

My brother has seen shuttle launches and says they are teh awesome, but this one has been put back from right at the end of our trip to be sometime after we come back, which is shite for crappy weather reasons detailed here.

Oh well, it's one less thing to fit in, I guess.

ailsa, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:08 (eighteen years ago)

Going to Kennedy, even without a shuttle launch was amazing anyway.

If you are in the orlando area, check out [Removed Illegal Link], also Skycraft for Nasa surplus junk.

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:09 (eighteen years ago)

I's that link less illegal if I remove the apostrophe?

Bubbalous Bodacious Barbecue

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

yes

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:12 (eighteen years ago)

OMG Ed, that looks fantastic! We are very very likely to be spending a couple of nights in Orlando (need some away-from-the-parents time) so, yum, big BBQ pigs look like a plan.

ailsa, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:14 (eighteen years ago)

If staying in Orlando, stay in Winter Park, it's the university area and there are nice bars, gigs, art etc. Sure it takes you 40 minutes to drive to the theme parks, but this is a good thing (having stayed at the other end of town, close to where I was working, and had to do the reverse).

I'm trying to remember the name of the Outlet Mall that was worth a visit (I stocked up on a pile of cheap, but very good clothes there).

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

People suck. People absolutely suck.

I knew this good mood and feeling actually OK about the world and myself was too good to last for long.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry to bring conversation to such a crashing halt. :-(

I've been stupid and I knew I was overtired and have not had enough rest and I let one stupid thing get to me and then that's it, poof! Mood crashes like a burst balloon and you end up crying in the loo for half an hour for no reason. I hate my brain sometimes.

Post pictures of the space shuttle or something, please.

http://www.solarnavigator.net/aviation_and_space_travel/aviation_space_images/space_shuttle_launch_cape_canaveral.jpg

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

Aww Kate - no offence intended, you know. It was just.....what it was.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

This is on my desktop at home, it's an awesome photo:
http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/151716main_image_feature_607_ys_4.jpg

Here's the full size link, it's amazing at a massive resolution.

http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/151717main_image_feature_607_ys_full.jpg

The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

People suck. People absolutely suck.

Could be worse, you could be in a dribbly, nauseating, 'relationship' with one.

DavidM, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

Oh noes, I'm not going to get to see that in real life, please stop posting pictures or I will cry.

ailsa, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

erm, xpost.

ailsa, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

Have they pushed the launch back, that sucks. You'll probably get to see it on the pad though, it is not nearly as amazing, not having seen a launch, but still pretty cool.

I missed a non- shuttle launch whilst I was there because I didn't know it was going on.

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

Dr. C, it wasn't you - it wasn't actually anything on that "single" thread, either, though I've stopped reading it because anything that moves that fast can not be good.

It was something someone else on one of the original threads that just sent me over the edge. You can think that you're over something, but how can you get over something when it's constantly being rubbed in your face? The sheer hypocrisy, of someone you've consoled, sitting at your kitchen table, because she found out that her Ex and another ILX0r were getting married from ILX - and then she gets on ILX and goes on and on about how happy she is with her "BOYFRIEND!!!!" all over ILX, not even thinking that hey, this boyfriend of yours is the guy who shredded my ego so badly last summer that I chose celibacy rather than ever go through anything like that ever again.

I will probably regret posting this, but hey. I just wanted to explain why I got so upset by such a stupid thing. I need to get some sleep, these things bother me less when I am well rested.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

Hey all. Our water was cut off and now its all brown since it came back on. It happened yesterday too. So im just running the taps and wasting water(not really wasting since its brown).

It's a Wednesday so I suppose Norman won't see this but there's a feature in The Wire on Peter Hammill. You might want to pick it up.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

I hope he was lousy in bed, Kate. Then you can look smug :)

C J, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

Ugh, brown water, not fun. I thought my boiler had given out this morning because my shower water was running all cold, but it turned out it just needed to be reset.

Oh, the days of renting when I could just shout for the owner. I've got to fix all this stuff mine own self now.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)


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Since everyone's upset here's a Vox Teardrop. (And a Vox Phantom)



Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

Let's see it!

G00blar, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:07 (eighteen years ago)

Oh bollocks! Try again...

http://www.voxshowroom.com/ct/guitar/new_vox_guitars.gif

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)

Oooooooh!

G00blar, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:09 (eighteen years ago)

Those are very pretty guitars. But god, those vox tremoloes, if you even touch them, they go out of tune.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:09 (eighteen years ago)

What's the collective noun for a lot of guitars?

C J, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:11 (eighteen years ago)

A Roger Daltry

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

I discovered that I shop right where I live is selling these. I went in last evening to pick up a hard case for Jazzy and the guy (who knows very well my tastes in guitars) was going 'look what we've got, look what we've got'. They had sunburst Teardrops in 6 and 12-string versions and a white Phantom. Actually he said the tremolo is crap and impossible to keep set-up. Then he tried to sell me a Jaguar HH. I have to stop going in there.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

**What's the collective noun for a lot of guitars? **

NOT ENOUGH!

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

Sounds like he knows a good customer when he sees one.

G00blar, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

G00blar, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:13 (eighteen years ago)

x-post - Oh you've played one have you Kate? I am supposed to be going in sometime to try them, but I won't buy I don't think.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

Jaguar HH is not proper jag and therefore rubbish.
Teardrop guitars look rubbish.

IMO.

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

I used to play a Vox bass - gorgeous creature. Really, nothing else on earth sounds like one. My friend had a teardrop. Yeah, the tremolo is a problem, and also, this is something you never find out except by experience, but it's impossible to play one sitting down! Without that kind of dip in the middle that most guitar bodies have, it's impossible to balance it on your knee. Plus, Vox headstocks are really overbalanced and tip your guitar down if you don't hold it up.

But they are still beautiful guitars.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

The 12-strings are still the most gorgeous thing on earth, though.

(My bass was not a teardrop, it was a Gibson style shaped one.)

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

haha g-kit - the shop guy said " I KNOW you think Humbuckers in a Jag is breaking the rules but you really ought to hear it". I said " yes it's a shocking crime, but I really ought to hear it" But I was in a rush, so didn't.

I hardly ever play sitting down so that would be OK.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

Honestly, you don't realise how much you do play sitting down until you get a guitar that won't stay on your knees! They do tip, even when you're playing standing up.

Humbuckers in a jag - just defeats the purpose!

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

Humbuckers in a Jag *sound* awesome. The problem lies within this problem:
When is a Jag not a Jag?
When it's not a Jag.

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

ie. if somebody bought an HH, the first thing i'd say is "wow, nice guitar! but why didn't you get a jag?"
but that's because i'm a cunt.

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

The whole point of a jag is that they are supposed to have that slightly weedy tone until you run them through some distortion pedals and then they sound HUUUGE! It's klike they were designed to sound good with effects pedals, but not without.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah - I wouldn't get an HH jag unless it was a REAL bargain. I want a normal one SO BLOODY BADLY.

I don't play much sitting down now because I'd find that I would learn a solo or something and then have to relearn it standing up because they guitar was further away and your left hand was in a slightly different position. Maybe I'm just deformed or something.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

The bells, the bells!

C J, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:45 (eighteen years ago)

maybe you wear your guitar lower/strap longer than I do!

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

No, I'm hideously deformed.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, lowish, but not that low. Not low as in Hooky or Johnny Ramone low.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

Stop taking your kids' drugs then! I told you those would cause birth defects!

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:49 (eighteen years ago)

I tend to wear my guitar at an angle - the picking bit quite low so I can get a good power strum, but the neck slanted up so that my little tiny girlhands can reach it.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:50 (eighteen years ago)

I was born before my kids oddly enough.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:51 (eighteen years ago)

actually, unmodded jags sound shit with any type of distortion.

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:52 (eighteen years ago)

I was trying to bring teh funny. :-(

I still haven't got my head around this humour thing. I'll just go and boil mine head.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

Don't do that, Kate! It's make you hideously deformed, like old humpetty up there.

C J, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:56 (eighteen years ago)

Really? Depends on amp, EQ and FX surely. I can believe that you have to be patient in finding the right settings. I still find Jazzy a little harsh unless you're really careful to max out the mids.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:57 (eighteen years ago)

Max out the mids? No way! I put the crunge on my mids and jack the low and high. Oh yeah.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:58 (eighteen years ago)

You're just making words up now, aren't you?

C J, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

It's that time of the day when I want mine coffee. This is the only time that lent is hard. I'm having such a rubbish day and my blood sugar is all over the place because I ate the boss's birthday cake and have had no sleep and arrgggghhhhhh. More green tea, I guess.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)

x-post crunge is not a made up word! Or at least, if it is made up, it was made up by Led Zeppelin, not me.

(I nearly typed Lex Zeppelin which would be hilarious.)

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:00 (eighteen years ago)

unmodded jags

The image I got.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

Ok then, it's extremely hard to get a distorted Jag to sound good, and especially difficult to get it to sound HUGE with stock pickups. Problem is confounded if you have japanese jag, as the pickups WAIL like crazy with distortion.
Different pups enable hugeness. I have seymour duncan jag pups. They R teh hueg.

^^IMO^^

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:04 (eighteen years ago)

has anybody seen the bridge?

Where's that confounded bridge...

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:07 (eighteen years ago)

**Max out the mids? No way! I put the crunge on my mids and jack the low and high. Oh yeah.**

Blimey. BIG mids = hugeness I find. In #1 band if I don't be maxed on the mids I can't be heard above the bloody Gibson 335 or SG. If I max the mids I sound awesome!

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

I guess it's different in different bands - there's usually so much laptop and singing going on in the mids that I try to stay out of them or else it muddies things up too much. But big low end is important to stop the guitar from just going ching-ching-ching like a wimpy little thing as is Jmasters' wont.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

Looks like march is going to be a busy travelling month. I might be going here.

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

That does not look like a real place! It looks like a strange land out of a fairytale.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

x-post Yes it's band dependant.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

Eep, there has just been a message from the promoter saying that if people are coming on Saturday, to come early because they are expecting it to be really busy. Don't know if that's based on advance ticket sales or what. But youse all are coming early anyway, coz we're on first, right?

::bites fingernails::

This was supposed to be a little low-key show to get me back in the gist of playing live, and now it's turning into, like, this nu-gaze event! Eep! Ah well, at least I'm confident that the band sound great. (I'm REALLY glad that I'm not going onstage by myself now, too.)

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:20 (eighteen years ago)

i haven't played live in years
plz note btw that i don't actually know what i'm talking about

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

did you get a new band or something?

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, just what I always wanted for my birthday! a whole new band!

Well, sort of. Frances who is playing analogue synth and whooshing space angel noises was in the first lineup of SC so it's more like she's come back. And then Ed is playing Free Jazz Mandolin.

So yeah, it is kind of a whole new band. I'm nervous because I have sing everything when normally I've got 3 other people covering all the vocals.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

When do the other 2 members come back from India?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)

Couple of weeks. They'll be back for the April gig. Which should be even more interesting. I kind of want to keep the band music-based rather than vocal-based like it used to be. But then again, we were saying last night that we should just have a completely different lineup for every gig so people never know what they will get.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

You should have me do spoken word.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:35 (eighteen years ago)

IF YOU WERE GOING TO BE HERE WHEN WE WERE PLAYING A GIG, WE WOULD HAVE RECRUITED YOU ALREADY!!!

We could jam on our mutual "Pi" songs.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:36 (eighteen years ago)

This is an awesome story.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)

What happened with the old lineup?

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

The first guitar I nearly bought was a white Vox Phantom. It kept falling off my knee when I played it, so I bought a Rickenbacker 620-12 instead. Dr C you should buy a Rickenbacker 12-string! You will never leave your music room again (also, in several weeks you will have no fingerprints on yr fretting hand)

Pashmina, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

Just don't ask, g-kit.

Awww, I had a Rick 12-string for all of a month until my dad sold it to pay the electricity bill or something.

:-(

Most beautious guitar I've ever played. Everything I played on it just sounded... gorgeous. You touch it, and music falls out.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

Wouldn't have happened if I'd touched it.

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

Norman did you see what I said about an article in The Wire on Peter Hammill?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:44 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, it would. My MUM touched it, and she is the most un-musical person on EARTH and still music just fell out and was lying on the floor by the drumkit so we knew she'd been in the ballroom rehearsal room, like cleaning up and shit.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

Kerr, how did you get on with the council about your gran's bathroom?

aldo, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

Hey Norm a Ricky is on the want list. I was thinking 6 string, but 12 is something different. The ends of my fingers on my left-hand are sort of shiny permanent callouses already. Maybe I could commit a crime left-handed?

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

I did just now, Kerr. I'll have a look at it in wh smith on the way home, thx!

Rick 12-strings are entirely as awesome as Kate says, Dr C. The 620 series is less, I don't know, iconic or something, hence cheaper. They look nice though, a very pretty shape.

Pashmina, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.vintage-guitars.se/1990_Rickenbacker_620-12_G3-6986.jpg

Pashmina, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:01 (eighteen years ago)

A 620 is £800 and a 620-12 is £900.

Band #1 bassist has a Rick bass which isn't all that great. He's using a Fender Precision now.

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

x-post Holy Shit! That's HOTT!

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

They're a lot cheaper used. Mine was 600, and it looked like new (it's a bit battered now, though)

Pashmina, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

Battered is HOTTER!

Dr.C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:06 (eighteen years ago)

Aldo > the problem is that they all leave it to one another(my mum says its her brothers responsibility as he oversees the bills and stuff like that, but she wont mention anything about it. And no one listens to me unfortunately). I'll try mentioning to someone but I know they won't do anything and unfortunately they wouldnt let me see about it as its not my business or something. It will just cause arguments.

It's hard work for all 3 taking their turns staying over with her and stuff so i guess they are too tired and cant be bothered with the hassle it would involve.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:07 (eighteen years ago)

Rick basses are a different story. I mean, nothing else in the world sounds like them - that low growl sound - but they're not really that versatile. Especially if you want a deep, rounded bass sound.

I had the classic Rick 12-string god I still miss that guitar, even though it's been over 15 years:

http://www.dvq.com/guitars/images/rick1.jpg

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

Battered is probably cheaper still, then!

Pashmina, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

ARgh, I am stupid and still can't figure out hte image thing. :-(

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

square not curly brackets!

ailsa, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

html ftw

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks for fixing that. I'm always slow off the shift release. :-(

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:19 (eighteen years ago)

The new square bracket thing takes a bit of getting used to, eh. I fixed it, you'd done one of these { instead of a square bracker (as ailsa sez, lack of xpost notification being sth else that takes some getting used to)

Pashmina, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)

Loads of things are getting some used too. Log in is a PAIN.(esp as you end up at start of threads and not where you left off) x-post lack of is weird.
Im sure it will all be sorted in time

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

pash is talking like teh_kit?

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

I was talking like teh kit when it were all fields round 'ere, I'll have you know.

Yeah, it'll all get fixed in the end. Keith is pretty great, I think.

Pashmina, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

Pash wins prizes!

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:36 (eighteen years ago)

Pash, you got a troubadour cittern, right? What do you think of the action on it? I find mine a little high; any views on changing the bridge for an adjustable one?

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

I'm kinda annoyed that I'm g-kit again, and no longer teh_kit.

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

Register in a new email. I have spare gmail invites for anyone who needs them.

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, I have registered as teh_kit too, I wouldn't want somebody posting a bunch of semi-unreadable gibberish in my name, it would make me look bad (lolj/k). But I want to keep using this account because it uses the 'classic' kittenslikemilk email address.

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think you need an invite for gmail anymore?

The action on mine is pretty spot on, Ed (I'm actually playing it right now, coincidentally) - drop David K an email? He was pretty helpful w/advice whgen I got mine.

Pashmina, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

maybe you should get an alternate email address "kittensliektehmilk" or suchlike.

Pashmina, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

gmail's free sign-up for all now, though.

See if you register with tons of email addresses, how do you remember which one to log in with? I'd just automatically go for my regular email address, I think, even if I set up to be someone else too.

ailsa, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

hello strangers!

mitya, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)

lol pash, i already registered kittensliekmilk too.

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)

i haev all bases covered, i just want to be teh_kit again. for some reason i feel i have to be more SRS posting as g-kit.

g-kit, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

Hi Mitya!

Mark C, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)

Hello mitya, did you get yr work internet ilx thing sorted out?

Pashmina, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)

Hey Metal Mitya!

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

I have just made the connection as to who David K is.

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 16:54 (eighteen years ago)

Whoops, Sorry Ed, I should have said "the guy from Troubador"

Take a look at this!
http://www.masterkit.com/rwc/products/cittern.htm

They have a bunch of early instruments in kit form, I'm pretty tempted/interested.

Pashmina, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:00 (eighteen years ago)

But not in Teh_Kit form

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

Nope, Pash. I'm still exiled :( Got home from work early today.

mitya, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)

Gargh, boss came over, interrupted me, asked me to do this IMPORTANT THING and has now pissed off before even waiting for me to finish it.

OK, it is his birthday, but still.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:37 (eighteen years ago)

That site is amazing, norman, the temptation is strong to buy a bass crumhorn.

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:54 (eighteen years ago)

Until I saw the great bass racket.

Our Great Bass Rackett is less than 15" (43cm) high yet bottom note plays at the pitch of a pedal C organ pipe.

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

Great bass rackett? Surely you have to get one of those, just for the name.

Luckily, the link was dead for the Hammered Dulcimer or I'd have one.

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 17:57 (eighteen years ago)

They have hurdy gurdies though.

Ed, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:02 (eighteen years ago)

It is amazing, isn't it! The bowed psaltery took my fancy, as did the little knee harp and the crumkorn. I'll get somthing in a month or 2 when the cc bill is down again, and report on how easy it was to build, etc.

Pashmina, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:04 (eighteen years ago)

No, no, no, it's no good, I'm rubbish at building from kits, so no matter how much I want a hurdy gurdy I will not order one. It's one thing to have bookshelves all warped and not standing up straight, but something like a hurdy gurdy or a hammered dulcimer needs to be assembled properly, which I am rub at doing. I wouldn't even build a theremin from a kit!

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

Couldn't Ed help you build it?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

Or have a Hurdy Gurdy Warming Party and invite guests over to build it for you while you just get pissed?

Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

I couldn't even get that to work with my washing machine. :-(

Masonic Boom, Wednesday, 28 February 2007 18:46 (eighteen years ago)

white rabbit white rabbit white rabbit!

emsk, Thursday, 1 March 2007 08:44 (eighteen years ago)

Blimey! I logged in!

Pash, do you know who makes the "Rock Chick" girls mountain bike, and how I can get one for Alice's birthday (on Saturday)?

Mark G, Thursday, 1 March 2007 09:52 (eighteen years ago)

Bollocks, I just wrote a long post and then hit the close button, arse arse ars.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

Hello there! White rabbits!

Forest Pines, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:13 (eighteen years ago)

hares 2u2

Mark G, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:17 (eighteen years ago)

Mark, I googled "Rock Chick girls mountain bike" and got this:

http://www.sterlinghouse.co.uk/ViewProduct.aspx.qmap/ptId/718/pId/58588

They're in Essex

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:17 (eighteen years ago)

White Rabbits. Remember what the dormouse said about keeping you head and all that.
Emsk, I’m just gonna write this here as my thumbs can’t take as much texting as yesterday…
So I go to the launch of a tap (Yes, in the crazy world of interiors journalism, taps have launches, furniture has a PR and wallpaper’s so bloody passé it’s shaved its head and taken itself off to the Meadows.) at the Groucho Club with lovely editor friend – as per invites to corporate dos at this place, it never is 1995 with Alex James, Keith Allen and Stephen Tin Tin Duffy rolling around the floor but some random function room. Anyhoo, the head barman is creating cocktails in the tap’s honour (as you do) and there’s a competition to name them. Anyway, I won it, and got a bottle of Laurent Perrier for my trouble. The cocktail was a hot toddy style thing, it had Calvados in it, that’s all I remember and a cinnamon stick plonked in it. Was quite potent. Didn’t do any of the work I was supposed to do last night, which meant I had to get up very early and write 1000 words before 9am. Which I have done. Am now going back to bed for a well earned nap.

Nobodysprawn, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:17 (eighteen years ago)

xpost yeah, I got that! But they take 7 days to despatch, so I was after somewhere I could just roll up to and get one.

Naturally, if we were up north, we'd try a certain bike shop in Chi, but ach.

Mark G, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:19 (eighteen years ago)

Essex isn't that far away!

HOW MUCH DO YOU LOVE ALICE????????

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:20 (eighteen years ago)

I feel badly that I made my son go to school this morning. He was coughing away and spluttering, but I'm of the view that he might as well cough and splutter at school. I still feel that I was a bit harsh. I did give him a lift to the station though.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:26 (eighteen years ago)

My children know that they aren't allowed to stay home from school unless they (a) have broken limbs or (b) are dead, so they don't even ask. I once sent Sarah to school when she had a bit of a cold and she said her chest hurt whenever she coughed. Turned out she had pleurisy.

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:33 (eighteen years ago)

Good policy. My only regret now is that I didn't give him a sound thrashing before sending him on his way.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:43 (eighteen years ago)

I guess I feel bad because I was dreading the thought of him kicking around at home all day disturbing my peace and quiet working at home. But now the soddin' flippin' cleaner has turned up. It's not her day!

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:53 (eighteen years ago)

I don't have kids yet, but I imagine I'll be tough on them when they want to stay home from school, mostly because I remember how many times I faked it as a kid. It was so easy!

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:55 (eighteen years ago)

Sack her!

Damned domestics.

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:55 (eighteen years ago)

CJ, Mark G, whoever was looking at gurly bike:
that bike shop is like 5 minutes down the road from my house. madness!

g-kit, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:57 (eighteen years ago)

And now the SCHOOL HAS RUNG they want me to go and fetch him. OH FUCKING HELL!

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

Ach!

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

Tell them to put him on the train, and you'll pick him up from the station.

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 10:59 (eighteen years ago)

Hi folks--I can't find the thread, so can anyone remember when the Ned FAP is next week? Is it Friday?

tissp, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

Tell 'em you pay your taxes so that they can keep him out of your hair all day.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

I may go buy that bike.

g-kit, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:01 (eighteen years ago)

Well at least I can get away from the cleaner for a while. I can hear her rooting about for biscuits downstairs - well I have news for you, lady - you won't find any! The Hobnobs are here with me and that's the way it's gonna be today! If I can't have peace and quiet I'm having Hobnobs.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

You should totally go and buy that bike, then cycle all the way to Readin on it and deliver it to Alice for her birthday.


xpost : yes, don't they have like a sick bay or a san or something? I've often told them to keep one or both of my girls in the san and let them have a bit of a sleep there until they feel better.

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

WILL SWAP BIKE FOR FENDER MUSTANG TBH

g-kit, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:03 (eighteen years ago)

x-post Yes it's Friday. We need a pub to be chosen.
(Note 'pub' not 'bar' or similar yuppie watering hole). I am GRUMPY now.

Sick bay - dunno. I wish I'd thought of asking.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:05 (eighteen years ago)

Make the exchange on the roof of the oracle car park at 6pm tomorrow.

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:05 (eighteen years ago)

On the bright side though, since son is obv sick enough to be sent home from school, he is also sick enough to stay in his room in bed with no tv and no guitar and no food and NO BLOODY NOISE FROM YOU MY LAD all day. Also: if he starts to feel better and wants to come downstairs, then he is well enough for EXTRA HOMEWORK.

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:07 (eighteen years ago)

or maybe come buy the bike from shop and have FAP with teh_kit and we can all lol about a FAP taking place outside of london then go back to our daily lives all smug like.

g-kit, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:09 (eighteen years ago)

We want bike fap

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:10 (eighteen years ago)

I have no idea, Mark, sorry. Get in touch with the manufacturer and ask where your nearest dealer is, perhaps?

Pashmina, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:11 (eighteen years ago)

I would but I don't know the manufacturer.

Thanks anyway.

Mark G, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

do you want me to take a photo of myself on the bike, mark?

g-kit, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:16 (eighteen years ago)

Googling reveals they are manufactured by Universal.

This link to find your nearest dealer :

http://www.universalcycles.plc.uk/Dealers/Default.asp

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

http://images.andale.com/f2/118/122/20613767/2007/2/23/IMG_7368.jpg

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

Cool, I can come along then! I will be coming back from Amsterdam in the morning.

tissp, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:18 (eighteen years ago)

stoner

g-kit, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:21 (eighteen years ago)

It's made by Universal, Mark:

http://www.universalcycles.plc.uk/

Pashmina, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:22 (eighteen years ago)

I wish! I'm not sure of the etiquette of expensing drugs on a work trip though! xpost

tissp, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:23 (eighteen years ago)

BRILL! Thanks!

Mark G, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

GurlybikeFAP is a non starter then?

g-kit, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

I wish! I'm not sure of the etiquette of expensing drugs on a work trip though! xpost


smoke with the boss, problem solved.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

On yer bike, mate.

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:31 (eighteen years ago)

I'm on my own for this trip, sadly

tissp, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:37 (eighteen years ago)

Back with son. 'No bloody noise from you my lad' message delivered. Meanwhile Mrs. Dr. C has rung with the words of wisdom - 'I said he should have stayed at home. Thanks a million.

And.......

MY HOBNOBS HAVE GONE!

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:51 (eighteen years ago)

THE BIKE IS FOUND!

Put an order in to a local branch, pick up tomorrow!

WAHAYY! Youse guys is great!

"Rock Chick Girl's mountain bike", heck, it might as well have been called "Bike for Alice Grout" really!

Mark G, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:56 (eighteen years ago)

Check the cleaning lady's pinny pocket for crumbs.

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:56 (eighteen years ago)

i feel so unwanted ;_;

g-kit, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

Triffic, Mark! Alice will be so thrilled.

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:57 (eighteen years ago)

Good news on bike.

I have found the empty Hobnobs tube in the bin.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 11:59 (eighteen years ago)

The plot thickens.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 12:00 (eighteen years ago)

There is a pro-road pricing petition you may wish to sign.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/proroad-pricing/

Perhaps we should petition Tony Blair for Hobnob restitution.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 12:01 (eighteen years ago)

http://blogs.ipswitch.com/archives/fingerprint.jpg

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

The hobnob mystery seems, on the surface, fairly clearcut. However, I reckon Mrs Dr C is the REAL villain, and she has framed the poor cleaner who she believes you are having an affair with.

Mark C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 12:10 (eighteen years ago)

Excellent news, Mark G!

Pashmina, Thursday, 1 March 2007 12:11 (eighteen years ago)

I think it was the cat wot dunnit. m'lud.

C J, Thursday, 1 March 2007 12:11 (eighteen years ago)

There is a pro-road pricing petition you may wish to sign

done! I notice that the petition site is not moderated; presumably if it was then there would be complaints that it was not truly a 'free speech' forum. It does mean, however, that someone has started a petition to get the PM to stand on his head and juggle ice cream which is getting a surprisngly large response!

Grandpont Genie, Thursday, 1 March 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

I am thinking of starting one asking for a ban on gas or electric patio heaters before the smoking ban comes in.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

Will you join me in my crusade?

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, this looks great:

http://www.flickeralley.com/fa_eden_08.html

(another silent movie, I'm obsessed!)

The 2 clips, viewed one after the other, are pretty funny & entertaining - good acting, and a bit of pre hayes code saucyness. The actress who plays the theatre owner looks quite modern. Def. going to buy this one.

Pashmina, Thursday, 1 March 2007 12:39 (eighteen years ago)

Morning. Afternoon. Whatever it is. Still feeling quite shit today, the bad mood seems to have settled in and is turning into depression again. NOT NOW, FOR GODS SAKE, IT'S SO BLOODY INCONVENIENT. Couldn't you wait another three days? Time, tides and bipolar mood swings wait for no man. :-(

Sodding train got stuck at Blackfriars for what seemed like hours. Trying to go ONE STOP and the thing wouldn't budge. Eventually I got out and took a bus but then I had to take TWO BUSSES and it probably would have been quicker to walk,but I had no energy.

At least my boss is out sick today. But the ONE BLOODY THING I need my colleagues to do - and I sent it to him days ago - he has not done. So I cannot do Giant Johnny and I'm going to get crap for it.

I fucking hate everything today.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

THREADKILLAH!!!

It's monthend anyway. My LEAST favourite dayof the month. Shoot me now.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:15 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe a krispy keme is called for.

Best song last night was ostensibly about a cockerel, nudge nudge. There were some good ones about gypsies and girls running off to sea.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:41 (eighteen years ago)

No, sugar makes things worse. Had too much yesterday. What I really want is a coffee. :-(

Was it good last night,then? Did you bask in the glory of your trees?

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

And loving a lobster.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

Not too many campers there, but leo and I talked about on going stuff.

Good selection, some singer songwriters who got the idea that you don't always have to write a song about yourself and if you do you can be less than serious about it.

There was a lovely open micer who had shades of Joanie Mitchell and Sandy Denny, long hair but I still fell in love.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:49 (eighteen years ago)

Loving a lobster. Clearly it is the Way Forward.

Did you talk to the open mic-er?

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

//or rather, just not take James blunt as a role model.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:51 (eighteen years ago)

I missed my chance, she left early, I was yacking with leo, however Joe is looking at getting her in as an opening act at some point.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

Also, I want to go to the pub in thaxted where the melodeon player drinks and often gets his Kok* out.


*Make of Melodeon.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

People have a mixed up idea of what "Folk" is. Singer/songwriter with acoustic guitar != FOLK. It's one of the few kinds of music I'm pretty purist about. Heh.

Next time, go and talk to the girl. It's easy to talk to people who have done an open mic slot, you can compliment their song/performance. But if she is going to be playing the club, then you have an opening. If she does not succomb to the charms of the hott banjo player first. ;-)

Argh, I am cross. My friend has just dumped her boyfriend - the first boyfriend of hers I've EVER actually gotten along with and actually liked. I don't know why I feel cross with her over this, but I kinda do. Probably because I'm not going to get to hang out with him and bullshit about shoegazer bands any more and I fear that the next one will be HORRIBLE again. Bah.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

TRAIN TRAUMA=TEH SHIT. That suckssss.

Rehearsal last night was work. Trying to make progress on two new songs and it's quite difficult. There's also always that thing where a new song that you've been singing and playing to yourself for ages, and thus have a quite definite idea in yr head about what it should sound like, becomes something else with the band. Of course it's gonna become something else with the band--that's one of the great things about the band: they don't just back me up, we make the songs new together. But that doesn't mean I let go of that specific sound in my head (which, tbh, I'm never good at articulating that well) without a little selfish cry of 'Oh noes!'

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

Hey Kate, sorry to hear you're miserable. Be thinkin' of the gig and all things shoegazing to keep your mind off bad stuff.

Hobnobs update : I'm now thinking that maybe the tube was empty and she chucked it away whilst tidying after checking that it was empty first. When I went to get the lad from school she took the opportunity to clean up here - there were definite signs of vacuum cleaner action and stuff had been moved around. I now have bought more Hobnobs, so the crisis is averted. I'm going to make her a cup of coffee and offer her a Hobnob to see what happens.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)

It was a bit empty last night and Joe was half jokingly trying to get me to sing. everyone was using Johnny Berlin's (the lobster lover) guitar. Next month sometime you me and fmm should sit down one evening and teach each other some songs and maybe we can do an open mic together.

Doing the rehearsal the other night has really blown on the embers.

Hott banjo player has a girl .

Must remember girls first, trees second.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:06 (eighteen years ago)

**There's also always that thing where a new song that you've been singing and playing to yourself for ages, and thus have a quite definite idea in yr head about what it should sound like, becomes something else with the band.**

I feel yr angst about this. In #1 band it's intolerable - one of them always homes in on the best bit and says 'I think we should take that bit out'. Once it's got a certain distance away from what I have in my head I just give up and say ' let's not do it' . I know I'm possibly being a fascist about it, it's just that I can tell when suggestions make it better and when they ruin it. And I don't like potentially good songs being ruined. In band #2 songs always get better somehow when the band get hold of them. I have a very good foil in the keybd player who is great at arranging and knows what works and what doesn't.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

Hrrrmm, Gooblar, that is the trauma of working with a live band. I mean, the things is - depends on if the new sound they make is *better* than that thing you were hearing in your head. If it is, then go for it. If it's not, that means you have to demo more carefully, and explain "yes, but it would sound really great if you would..." The trick is not to put your ego in it and say "I WANT it to sound like this" but focus on what is best for the song - "It would sound so great if you did this..."

Great, Dr. C, now I want Hobnobs and a cup of coffee. Were they chocolate covered ones?

We keep saying that we're going to do an open mic! One of these days we should actually do it.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)

SO TIRED. Just want to get to London and, y'know, sleep in mornings.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:14 (eighteen years ago)

If we came at it from the other direction, sat down and taught each other song we like then we might actually do it.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

one of them always homes in on the best bit and says 'I think we should take that bit out'.

This is just a sign that this is not the band for you. Or rather, not the band to actually take your songwriting to.

I mean, there was this psych band I used to play with in NYC, and I was trying to write for them, but they would resist anything but the most pure 60s sound. Eventually I brought in this song with a really strong tremolo on it, and they just freaked - they were all "argh, it sounds like Flock of Seagulls!" I ended up getting sacked from the band and it was all traumatic and awful.

Thing is, I'm convinced that "Flock of Seagulls" song is one of the best things I've ever written, to this day. Avoided playing it live for years and years, but finally the latest incarnation of SC has got their paws on it, actually understand what it needed (*more* drone, lots of analogue synth wibble) and now that song ("Hung With Joy") is pretty much the new centerpiece of our live set.

So sometimes it's worth persevering and waiting for the right band.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

Soon, Ned!

it's just that I can tell when suggestions make it better and when they ruin it.

I mean, the things is - depends on if the new sound they make is *better* than that thing you were hearing in your head.

It's just that, many times, I can't tell if it's better or not. So then I'm torn between trusting the band (which, tbf, has gotten us to a pretty good sound on more than a few occasions), or trusting my original 'vision'.

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:17 (eighteen years ago)

Anyway, fact is, I *do* trust the band, and it's going to be a process of compromise and work to make the song happen. I don't happen to play the drums, or, most of the time, even get across to the drummer what I want, so I'm gonna have to live with (gasp!) letting others contribute creatively

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

Also I think we should go to the Thaxted Ring Morris Meet which is on the first weekend in June. It culminates in a horn dance.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

.

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:19 (eighteen years ago)

xpost!

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

Horn dance?!?!? Do I even want to know?

I don't think I can do that weekend, I'm think that's the weekend I'm meeting my brother and his wife in Paris.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

i just secured a ukulele player

pwnj

g-kit, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)

was he likely to blow away?

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

We were supposed to have a uke player for this gig. :-(

::weeps bitter tears::

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

Does anyone have a TAMBOURINE I could borrow for Monday?

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:25 (eighteen years ago)

**Great, Dr. C, now I want Hobnobs and a cup of coffee. Were they chocolate covered ones? **

Of course.

**This is just a sign that this is not the band for you. Or rather, not the band to actually take your songwriting to. **

Yeah you're right. Which is why I'll be leaving at some point. But the irony is that out of only 3 new songs in the last year, 2 have been mine. But the process of getting them to gigging and recording stage nearly killed me, and I don't want to bother again. And they're so bloody simple too! All my stuff is kinda punky/psych/freakbeat/Factory knockoffs - hardly original or novel! I just like moving FAST - my rate of progress would be to write & arrange about 3 new songs a week if I could.



Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:26 (eighteen years ago)

OK, this is going to sound like I'm slagging people off, but honestly, I'm not slagging off any people or bands I've worked with in particlar - just commenting on something that I've noticed over 20 years of playing in bands.

Turnaround time on new songs is, for me, one of the primary indicators of how healthy a band is, and how "worth it" it is to stick it out.

I mean, sure, it takes time to get up to scratch with a new band sometimes, but if the band has a good dynamic and have learned off each other - or else if they are bloody good musicians to start with - then the band should be able to turn around new songs as fast as the songwriters write them.

Sometimes backlogs build up if there has been a particularly busy time (either for writer or with too many gigs). But if it's a painful process like pulling teeth, still, more than a year later after you've started, this is not the band for you (me, I suppose). I've been in bands where one or more people were actually still learning their instrument in the early stages of the band. But then I look at at band like the L0lli3s and there was a very fast learning curve - we went over the course of about a year from me writing every single part and handing them out because the bass player had been playing for only 6 months - to stuff getting written at rehearsal during jam sessions.

I suppose this is one of the things I've really been appreciating about nu-SCIV. I mean, apart from anything else, Frances is a bloody fantastic musician. I never have to tell her what to play. Maybe give a sense of the kind of mood I'd like to convey, but then she's off and doing it, not asking every five minutes "is that OK?" It's not just that she's a good musician (though yeah, she is classically trained) but also she understands the kind of music that I want to make, and has spent a lot of time getting to the stage where she knows her instrument inside out and can dial up sounds and saw-waves and things. And even though Ed is totally new to playing in bands, it's that willingness to kind of get down to it and see what works, experiment, try stuff.

There's no reason for new songs to be a protracted drawn-out process. That's when I get the most frustrated.

Phew, rant over!

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

Payday yesterday, so I splashed out on a new bag for the mandolin, one that actually will protect it, plus saturday delivery, but almost definitely worth it.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

It's true. That's a wonderful thing. And it's the best thing about Chris (bassist). I don't even have to tell him the chords--if I play it through once while he watches me, he'll have learned the song before I'm done.

But there is something to be said for allowing the band to take things in a different direction (indeed, this can be something magical), and sometimes I (perhaps because I'm pig-headed, perhaps because I'm overly sensitive about my own work) am resistant to 'letting go', when sometimes that's the best thing to do. Not 'compromise', per se, just allowing things to be worked out, and allowing that to be an organic process, which sometimes *can* take quite a while.

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:46 (eighteen years ago)

That was no rant!

The thing I enjoyed most about being in the band(s) I was in was their ability to do a song I'd written the day before. This always happened in favour of 'rehearsing the ones we have already' for the 'learning up' stage, naturally. Never seemed to get past that point though! (Kbd player decides we're not doing enough of his songs so splits band with guitarist who takes over all songwriting and kbd player never gets to play ANY of his rub songs, ha ha oh!)

Mark G, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

I think part of the 'problem' for us is that we all come from quite disparate musical backgrounds/influences:
Me - American indie and power pop
J - Country and Americana
C - Hardcore and jazz
R - Prog, jazz, and, um, whatever Robert Wyatt and Blue Nile are.

Of course, this is one of the things that (I think) makes our sound interesting and maybe even unique. But it can lead to me thinking "I want this to sound like early pavement (or whatever) and they've not even heard early pavement!" etc.

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, that's a problem but also a big strength. If all of you like the same thing, you end up sounding like a tribute band.

But the trick is, when trying to explain how a song should sound, rather than using the shorthand "sounds like Pavement" you have to explain whatever quality it is of Pavement that you want to replicate. And describe it in musical terms, rather than comparisons.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:02 (eighteen years ago)

That's absolutely u&k, I know.

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:03 (eighteen years ago)

(this is also why I think that small scenes can be better at generating music that is original - if you have a large enough pool of musicians, you will gravitate towards people who share you taste in music, and end up with carbon copy bands. In a smaller scene, you end up working with the only bassist in town, who turns out to be into fairly different music from you, and brings a whole new pallet with them.)

((Within reason.))

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:05 (eighteen years ago)

Good rant. I agree with everything that's been said. My problem is that I always hang on too long in bands - partly because I'm not a quitter and I like to give things a chance, and partly (and this is going to make me sound like a real mercenary bastard) because I'm wondering if someone else will quit first which might then allow me to reconfigure the band more to my liking.

Gooblar - disparate backgrounds is GOOD. That's one of the problems with band #1 - the 3 founder members have very narrow tastes and are uncomfortable with things that don't quite fit. For me and the drummer (who is also in band #2 with me) that's exactly when things begin to get interesting!

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:06 (eighteen years ago)

don't you think you guys are overanylising things a little?

g-kit, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

I mean the description of band #1 on the Glastonwick bill is something like 'Fall meets Magazine at N1ightingales gig' Well, the Magazine bit - THAT'S DOWN TO ME! If it wasn't for me we'd sound like the soddin' Fall or the soddin' Nightingales. I want to sound like Soft Machine meets Magazine at an Electric Prunes gig! AND I SOON WILL!

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:10 (eighteen years ago)

g-kit - NO.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)

g-kit -YES.

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:12 (eighteen years ago)

But yeah, Dr. C otm.

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

Don't get me wrong - I still think band #1 sound great and I really enjoy gigging with them. It's just that it's not ME.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

Overlapping tastes are the best - where you have a couple of things that you agree on, and then other things that maybe you don't.

The funny thing is, even though I HATE HATE HATE Jazz, some of the people I've had the most fun making music with have had a pretty solid jazz background. You balance each other out that way. That they bring things I would never think to put in music, but I stop them from becoming just a trad jazz band.

With my long-term musical partner Anton, we started playing together becuase we both liked krautrock, spacerock and trip-hop. But he had a real worrying tendency towards 70s singer songwriter piano player types. And I had a worrying tendency towards straight shoegazing and ethereal crap. But put together, it was really effective because we counterbalanced each others' worse tendencies. I'd fuck up his singer-songwritery songs with Johnny Greenwood guitar bursts, and he would actually force me to find proper chord progressions rather than pure wibble.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

x-x-x-posts what's wrong with overanalysing things?

it's interesting to know what makes things work or not work so you can know what will or won't work in the future.

I mean, the things that Ed, F and I have in common are, well... Hawkwind, prog and trad folk. Go figure!

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

Stoners.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:16 (eighteen years ago)

I'm like a stoner who doesn't take drugs. I'm just like this naturally! the only other musician I ever met who was like this was Gary from Ladybug Transistor.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

**he would actually force me to find proper chord progressions rather than pure wibble**

I phear working with that kind of musician!

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

I suppose it's better than living like a Trustafarian but without the money. :-/

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

what's wrong with over-analysis is that frequently it's energy focussed on the wrong things for little reason.
i don't know, though, i just wanted to make it look like i'm paying attention.

g-kit, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:22 (eighteen years ago)

x-post,no, no, it was really good for me. He taught me a kind of musical discipline. It's not like he made me read sheet music or anything, but paying attention to the notes within a chord, and instead of going "oh, it's just a kind of wibbly G" to actually be able to say "it's a suspended G with a 6th added" - it's a good discipline to have, to be able to express yourself properly. Better communication.

Got to the point where we could play totally new stuff just by watching one anothers' hands. But, I mean, he was a musical genius and all. ;-)

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

x-post again, it's not with little reason if the focus is with the idea of keeping me happy within bands and music making. It's no secret that I'd been seriously unhappy within various lineups of SC. I don't think it's wasting energy on the wrong things to figure out when it's working *why* it's working, and try to do more of that in the future, and less of the things that make me not happy.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)

...and music is pretty much the most important thing in my life. I don't have a relationship or kids, I'm not really bothered because my "career" is something that happened by accident - music is the thing that I passionate care about. When that's not going well, *I'm* not well in any sense. And it makes me miserable.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

You want to be less duke ellington and more charles mingus is all.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:28 (eighteen years ago)

Again with the jazz! I want a Julian Barratt on that post, STAT!

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)

x-post - yes I know it's good, but sometimes wibbling works fine.

I've been playing on and off for 24 years with bassplayer Mike in band #2 and I don't think we ever ask each other what we're playing - just watch the hands!

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

How about Syd Barret?

http://www.thespacelab.tv/spaceLAB/Images/theSHOW/SydBarret-01-wide.jpg

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:33 (eighteen years ago)

That cat's something I can't explain.

Mark G, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:39 (eighteen years ago)

Argh, I am cross. My friend has just dumped her boyfriend

wha'? why? i liked that one too :/

i have had bike punctures TWO MORNINGS in a row now, i am starting to think my bike hates me. always happens when i'm trying to get somewhere where i actually care about what time i get there, grr.

went to see this - http://imdb.com/title/tt0444112/ - last night, is utterly utterly *lovely*, about humangs rather than, like, themes, gentle and funny and sad and life-affirming. (/kittens&rainbows)

emsk, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)

Put slime in your tubes (are you presta or schrader)

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

I like the name.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:41 (eighteen years ago)

Does that translate as Sofa's of the ochestra?

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

I've been playing on and off for 24 years with bassplayer Mike in band #2 and I don't think we ever ask each other what we're playing - just watch the hands!

Yeah! This is what's great about Chris!

G00blar, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.slimesealant.com/

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)

wha'? why? i liked that one too :/

Presumably because we all liked him too much, and she can only date unbearable cnuts!!! :-P

j/k j/k honestly, sweetie!!!!!

(sort of)

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

And I'm sorry, maybe I'm a rubbish musician, but I can only get the "watch the hands" rapour with people I've played for for years. I always need tab or schema or chord diagrammes or something until I've actually got my head around a song.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

Damn those danish kings.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

Well, maybe not tab, but you know - the verse goes "A Asus D G Bflat7th" or whatever.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, those Danish kings, it's coz they bathe too damn much, that's their success with the ladeez of the anglo-saxon world.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:50 (eighteen years ago)

I manage to avoid these band related issues by either a/writing music on synthesisers & drum machines on my ownor (more often & preferably) b/writing with mark, an excellent, creative and thoughtful musican whose instincts I (generally) trust, and whose tastes are different enough from mine (him:metal, prog, fusion / me: prog, electronic music, new wave, folk rock) that we don't just wind up hashing out the same stuff over & over again.

Two times I've been in bands with people whose personality/lack of empathy w/other people has bordered on the psycopathic. The last one finished off trad style bands for me. I'm up for collaborating w/anyone - short, medium or long term. No way am I putting a band together/joining a band again.

Pashmina, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

This brief early mediaeval interlude make me want to sing Woad

[To the tune of Men of Harlech]

What's the use of wearing braces
Hats and spats and shoes with laces
Vests and coats you buy in places
Down on Brompton Road

/ C Am C - / F - G7 - / C F C - / C G7 C - /

What's the use of shirts of cotton
Studs that always get forgotten
Such affairs are simply rotten
Better far is Woad

Woad's the stuff to show men
Woad to scare your foemen
Boil it to a brilliant blue
And rub it on your legs and your abdomen

/ G - - - / C - - - / C Am C Em / C Am C - /

Ancient Britons never hit on
Anything as good as Woad to fit on
Neck and knees and where you sit on
Tailors, you be blowed

/ F C F C / D7 - G7 - / C F C - / C G7 C - /

Romans came across the channel
All dressed up in tin and flannel
Half a pint of Woad per man'll
Clothe us more than these

Saxons, ye may save your stitches
Building beds for bugs in britches
We have Woad to clothe us, which is
Not a nest for fleas

Romans, save your armor
Saxons, your pajamas
Hairy coats were made for goats
Gorillas, yaks, retriever dogs, and llamas

So march on Snowdon with your Woad on
Never mind if you get rained or snowed on
Never need a button sewed on
Woad for us today

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

Although the version I know has a last line of 'Go it Ancient Bs', which is much better.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

Ha ha, Woad is a bit cold in the Northern reaches! Anyway the ancient britons liked their loud plaid woolen clothes as much as anyone. Woad was only for going into battle, really.

Aw, Pash, I sympathise, and I always say "never again" but then I get so excited by a project it just ends up happening all over again. Even being in a band that drives me crazy is better than being in NO BAND AT ALL and feeling like I have no reason to go on living.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.macnn.com/reviews/review.php?id=290

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:04 (eighteen years ago)

NO NO NO NO NO EEEEEVILLL, VERY VERY BAD!!!

Those are the modern equivalents of those awful "multi-effects units" they used to have back in the 80s.

Give me my millions of stomp boxes any day.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

I thought as much.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:08 (eighteen years ago)

I don't mind the onboard effects in Cubase for things like vocals, but for certain things - especially distortion, you really do need the boxes.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.macnn.com/reviews/review.php?id=290

No.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)

Guitar Rig is actually very useful in the studio, since you can knock out something that sound reasonable without having to haul out a load of gear and set it up, plus if you like to change your mind a lot (which I do), it's nice just to have the raw gtr track which you can alter the sound of, rather than having the amp sound & effects printed permanently to the tape.

tissp, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:10 (eighteen years ago)

That is it, TISSP, you are no longer one of us. :-(

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:12 (eighteen years ago)

(Disclaimer: I still think mic'd up amps sound better, but GR is great in a pinch)

tissp, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:13 (eighteen years ago)

(That said, I never record using amps - I go direct through the mixing board, hah.)

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:15 (eighteen years ago)

Nothing wrong with that

tissp, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

My 2p worth..

If your guitar sounds rwak, you play rwak!

If yr guitar sounds 'basic/unplugged', you play like pavement.

The effect modifies your playing. I reckons, anyway.

Mark G, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)

I am all about the effects. You should know this.

Anyway, I need a new little table/desk to put my mixing board on. I saw the most lovely one ever in Camden Market, but it was really expensive and there's no way I could have got it home. It was all lovely Morroccan style carving underneath a glass top. Though I suppose it would be a waste to plop a mixing board on it.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:22 (eighteen years ago)

GR also good for me since I am perenially forgetting to buy batteries

tissp, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

I wonder if there would be any money in say, ornate carved 19" racks?

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)

I don't fancy guitar rig much, partly b/c it's supposedly pretty heavy on processor cycles, mainly because there's too much choice! I can imagine spending hours and hours messing around w/different effect/amp chains on it and never getting any playing done.

I <3 my DG stomp, it's been great for me.

Pashmina, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:25 (eighteen years ago)

I would like an ornately carved Morroccan cabinet for my amp, but then again, that's just me.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

all NI stuff can be pretty heavy on cpu

688, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

**the raw gtr track which you can alter the sound of**

That's never worked for me. I have to have the sound spot-on before recording. Mark is right that you play according to the effect. If I wanted to do a solo with tons of overdrive and delay (like I often do) it would be harder to get right without the FX.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)

YOu should ask the sisxors payne to get one made for you in india out of inlayed sandalwood and rosewood.

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, Dr. C and Mark G are right - the effects I have totally affect my guitar playing - especially if I have a lot of step delay like I like to have. It's a completely different beast playing with or without delay, distortion, etc. I like the get the sound as close to what I like in my effects chain, then add digital step delay, and only do minor EQ tweaking in mixing.

I would like a bit of kit to do amp simulation, though, a POD or something.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:28 (eighteen years ago)

YOu should ask the sisxors payne to get one made for you in india out of inlayed sandalwood and rosewood.

AWESOME!!! When do they leave!??! Do you think I can still catch them?

Though they probably aren't there for long enough, and they could never bring it home in excess baggage knowing how many frocks the two of them have packed!

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.ilxor.com:8080/ILX/NewAnswersControllerServlet?boardid=45

onimo, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)

I had a go on a Roland Cube that has built-in amp simulation. It was total ass.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

I thought POD amp simulation was k-rub until I heard that Jesu do all their recording on PODs. And they have the heaviest guitar sound EVAH!!!

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:30 (eighteen years ago)

But I did hear a geezer playing a Vox Valvetronix in a shop - it wasn't ass.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

all my gtr parts live & on record are raw w/no fx (except amp disortion).

g-kit, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, nothing's intrinsically ass. I just know what I like - a big loud crunch and no fiddlin' about with computers and that.

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

all NI stuff can be pretty heavy on cpu

688 on Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:26 (4 minutes ago)


I only have "kontakt" whish is pretty light, unless you use the convolution processors.

Pashmina, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

With GR you can still record something with the effects on (I agree it's impossible to play something that should have delay without delay on it). Gareth is right, all NI's stuff is mad CPU heavy, but not unmanageable (not for me, anyway).

As far as too much choice goes, I tend to have a couple of my own presets I dial in so I can record ASAP, then fiddle later. It's more manageable that way.

(My amp has the POD stuff built on to it, which is nice)

tissp, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:34 (eighteen years ago)

Hey shouldn't there be a new watercooler - it's march!

Dr.C, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:38 (eighteen years ago)

It's not about date, it's about number of answers, and this one has zoomed up to nearly 1500 without us noticing, nu-ILX is so fast!

OK, let me have a think, 23 is an important number in un conspiracy theory freak circles.

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:39 (eighteen years ago)

Call it 'UK Watercooler 23: We make music but can't find the board'

onimo, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.karljkaul.com/images/comedy/testcard01.jpg

Ed, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

Watercooler 23

Fnord!!!

Masonic Boom, Thursday, 1 March 2007 16:46 (eighteen years ago)


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