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[UPDATE: NOW WITH FAQ GOODNESS] A bit earlier than planned, here's nuILX.

You'll have to register again to Register again to post. Some things are different, including the links at the top of the page. Some things are new, like Poll threads. Some things are completely gone, like Blog view and Trackbacks.

Some things are completely unchanged, like the Question/Answer format, and calls to ban Louis Jagger.

Because this is being run earlier than we expected, there may be some kinks, and some stuff might not work as you expect. There's also a need for polish in places (like the stylesheet!). But until we can see how well the basic stuff holds up, the code will be frozen. Give it time!

― stet, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

HI DERE.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

this will take getting used to!

― jessie monster, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

WAHT IS IT MADE?

― stet, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:28 (eighteen years ago)

who are all you people

― Edward III, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

hooboy this is ugly as SIN people

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

this is strange

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

it looks much better with the style sheet disabled, put it that way

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:30 (eighteen years ago)

do killfile still work?

― jessie monster, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:31 (eighteen years ago)

hooboy this is ugly as SIN people
Pls to read first post mention of polish.

― stet, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:31 (eighteen years ago)

I am getting old and not dealing well with change :(

― quincie, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah sorry guys but this is lame.

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

No it's not lame, it just needs tweaking. I appreciate everyone's efforts on this--it is a thankless task indeed!

― quincie, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:36 (eighteen years ago)

Current style makes my eyes hurt.

― milo z, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

seriously who is in charge of the stylesheet let's fix this before there's a riot

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

I agree it is a thankless task but still: it is ugly.

― Mr. Que, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:39 (eighteen years ago)

img src="ipredictariot.jpg"

― say it with blood diamonds, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

Techy codey people in not pretending to be typographers non-shocking non-headline. The promised land needs a little work, that is all.

― Laurel, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

ugly like a fox

― remy bean, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

wait, just kidding. just fucking ugly

― remy bean, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

a few suggestions, usability-wise:
- put the thread title in a bigger font rather than the board title
- condense the top four lines (board title/thread title/two lines of links) -- if you have the stylesheet turned on, there's a fair amount of scrolling just to get to the first post
- add back links to individual posts? this was especially useful in long-ass threads

also i miss the ability to bookmark boards at the top :(

― maura, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/02/16/power.woes/link.vicente.fox.jpg

― remy bean, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks for all your hard work!

― Sara R-C, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

Well, I like it.

― DavidM, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

a million thanks to all the hard workin folks who put this together.

Also OW MY EYES

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

also is there a way to customize the list of boards displayed up top? I'd be just as happy knowing IRE didn't exist, but being able to hop about to noize dudes and whatever the fuck else with ease and grace.

― remy bean, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

so how long will we keep going btw here and sandbox?

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, don't consider me ungrateful. just ornery. like vicente fox.

― remy bean, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

There's a stylesheet tweak motherfuckers. The only one I'm making tonight. The font sizes are squee on this mac, but it's only calling for serif.

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

Many thanks to all concerned for getting this up and running

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:47 (eighteen years ago)

can i not change my display name anymore?

― modestmickey, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:47 (eighteen years ago)

Is the "later" option gonna be implemented soon. That's pretty essential.

― Tuomas, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:48 (eighteen years ago)

Also, when I post something it throws out of the thread.

― Tuomas, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

you ungrateful fucks

― cutty, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

Hello all!
Formatting help = AWESOME idea!

― Brigadier Lethbridge-Pfunkboy, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

can i not change my display name anymore?
No. That's why you had to re-register, to save you being stuck with something daft from ye old days.

Is the "later" option gonna be implemented soon. That's pretty essential
Nothing is going to be implemented "soon". Nothing at all. Until we see how well this holds up. It hasn't even been stress-tested yet! Apart from maybe a stylesheet Tombot's workin on

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

Much better font. Thanks for everything, people who make magic box things happen.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

oh hi!

― jh0shea, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

Ahh, Times New Roman. Much better. Thanks.

― xero, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, I didn't mean to sound ungrateful... Thanks for your hard work!

One more question: the font size on the page that shows all threads and on separate is quite different, is this because of my computer, or is it intentional?

― Tuomas, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:52 (eighteen years ago)

"separate threads"

― Tuomas, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

I'm sorry if I sound stupid, but I have no idea what "stylesheet" or what have you means...

― Tuomas, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

nuILX. . .separating the boys from the men.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

The HTML reference stuff at the bottom of the page is useful.

― molly mummenschanz, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 19:57 (eighteen years ago)

this is like the high school poetry magazine version of ilx

kudos

― gabbneb, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

Should this be the general bug report thread, or is there a separate place for that?

― Edward III, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

hrrm. it seems ok but i miss the bookmarks

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

gah, after you post it takes you back to new answers!

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

Default text size is too big. I don't want to have to change everytime I go to ILX.

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:07 (eighteen years ago)

when you ask a new question, thread page says one new answer when really it's just one new question with no answers

― cutty, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:07 (eighteen years ago)

Also, after I post am I supposed to be redirected to new answers?

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:07 (eighteen years ago)

I really want to post the 'go cry, emo kid' cat but am trying to hold back on the lame zings. It's late afternoon and I haven't had any McDonald's chicken wrap things or anti-Goulet nuts. . .

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

― danbunny, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

thanks for all your hard work, stet. now i can go back to lurking.

― JPB, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, the font size on the individual threads is good now, but the font size on main page and on this message box is quite small. Is there something I can do about this on my computer?

― Tuomas, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:08 (eighteen years ago)

yeah it's called change the font size in your browser, ever heard of it

― cutty, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

Is there some way to browse old questions ie the old Categories?

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

Thank you, coding magicians, for bringing back ILX (although I do quite like the sandbox). I appreciate the "formatting help" -- the square-bracketed image and links tags are easier than img src and a href. Was it a conscious choice to remove the "New Questions" link? What happens when you as a new question and no one replies?

― Maria :D, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

There's a new stylesheet. Shift-reload to see it.

― stet, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

unanswered questions is under "more"

― cutty, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

bookmarks seconded. also a way to modify (/diminish) the formatting of the date and timestamp infoz? trim down the white space? it's as in-your-face buzzkillin' as the enormous bush on a D-grade '70s porno actor.

― remy bean, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:10 (eighteen years ago)

This would be a fitting moment to change my name, but
http://orgs.unt.edu/asps/namemeplease.jpg

― Maria :D, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:13 (eighteen years ago)

Does it still tell you if there have been other messages while composing yours?

― Maria :D, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

creepy albino squirrel?

― EZ Snappin, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

You all deserve a big hug. Or homemade cookies. Well, my "thanks" will have to do.

― molly mummenschanz, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah i really wasn't clever or quick enough to think of something new or grab someone else's, old west style

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

New stylesheet is good. Thanks!

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

chicken fat

― subject to change, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

but the type is quite small on the new answers page

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

Does it have to be this wide? I'm getting a left/right scroll bar here

― kingfish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

~~your text~~

― danbunny, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:16 (eighteen years ago)

The HTML reference stuff at the bottom of the page is useful.

Except it's fucking BBCODE now.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)

Fantastic, everything is back as in should be, in Helvetica. It kind of reminds me of greenspun, good work guys.

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:17 (eighteen years ago)

I prefer this a LOT to the auld ILX scheme.

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

what's up with admin on the noise board

― cutty, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

One request: There's no way to see when threads were revived (i.e. one post is 2002, the next is 2007, but how can you tell?)

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

How do I revived old thraeds?

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:19 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah i really wasn't clever or quick enough to think of something new or grab someone else's, old west style

Ms Misery on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 3:14 PM (3 minutes ago)

Oooh, imagine the uproar and confusion if people start stealing other people's names.

― Maria :D, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:21 (eighteen years ago)

wait a minute. . . are you really Maria?

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

I briefly considered registering Ned/Dan/etc's names and selling them their own logins at a marked-up price, but decided against it. Because I'm lazy.

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

Bonjour, tout le monde

― Michael White, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:22 (eighteen years ago)

Waht no random button?

I am a curmudgeon and resistant to change. I might get used to it. Effort appreciated nonetheless.

― ailsa, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

BOXCAR

― say it with blood diamonds, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:24 (eighteen years ago)

[/i]

close?

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:25 (eighteen years ago)

ah, the info line is italic for everyone

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

i want to change my dislay name....don't see it in preferences, how to shoot?

― subject to change, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

Also, no "show last 50 answers" or whatever?

― ailsa, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

not in 1.0

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:26 (eighteen years ago)

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a385/Nonie3234/kungfu_cat_fight-756893.jpg

― pj, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

and, whoever asked, no, no warnings of xposting, it would appear.

― ailsa, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

It is killer fast, I know we're probably not loading it too much yet but, it is fast.

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, when images are not shown, they are completely gone.

Thanks for all the effort!

― Jaq, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

Can you make it look exactly like old-ILX? That would be nice. Or at least minimize the amount of space between posts.

Props for the formatting help below, though. And the polls thingy.

― musically, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:27 (eighteen years ago)

ailsa has listed my only gripe at the moment; the lack of "show last 50 answers"

But I can live with it as it is and thanks for all the hard work, chaps.

― Guilty_Boksen, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:28 (eighteen years ago)

Oh and the lack of warnings for xpostings, as I have just found out!

― Guilty_Boksen, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:29 (eighteen years ago)

i want to change my dislay name....don't see it in preferences, how to shoot?
You don't right now.

Also, no "show last 50 answers" or whatever?
This is a default now: you see the first 50 posts and the last 50 posts. Everything inbetween is hidden behind a link.

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks to everyone involved for making this happen. I'm looking forward to getting used to it...

― Pye Poudre, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

You don't need a 'show last 50 answers'. It will just work fine.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:30 (eighteen years ago)

is anyone else able to see last msgs or has that been addressed? When I click on a thread I have to scroll up to find the last one I read.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

Wow, when images are not shown, they are completely gone.

wow this is correct! not sure about that, i have images off and 99% of the time don't bother with them but occasionally it's nice to see what one is.

last 50 answers + bookmarks + ability to change name are my only gripes.

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

ooh, i hate not being able to pick my own login password. i have such a terrible memory. it will take me four years to get used to this new look. i mean, i hate everything about it. but in four years i will have forgotten everything about my hate.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:31 (eighteen years ago)

ahh, when you post you go back to new answers page!!! ahhhhhh, i'm scared. someone hold my hand.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:32 (eighteen years ago)

― Del Monte Young, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:32 (eighteen years ago)

Change your password in preferences (More...)

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:32 (eighteen years ago)

It's funny, I didn't think that you should go back to the new answers page originally, I had it going back to the thread, but someone else complained that it should clearly go back to the new answers page, so I changed it.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:33 (eighteen years ago)

Keith, someone gave you bad advice there! It really should go back to the thread.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

fwiw, I never understand why there was that after posting page that asked where you wanted to go. no need for extra clicks.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:34 (eighteen years ago)

Ned, you saw the mail!

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:35 (eighteen years ago)

That person is v. stupid.

― dan m, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:35 (eighteen years ago)

[i]This is a default now: you see the first 50 posts and the last 50 posts. Everything inbetween is hidden behind a link.[/]

An I though I would have to give up blackberry browsing for lent.

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:35 (eighteen years ago)

I assume that ilxmagicians have good reasons for no xpost warning and not returning to last question viewed when refreshed, but these will create confusion.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

Ned, you saw the mail!

Hmm, I probably did! My mind must have been mush (again).

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

- Mods of satellite boards aren't mods anymore for now or for ever?
- Can't browse through thread categories -- I assume they exist somewhere in the aethernet?
- BBCode = boourns. Brackets = boourns when I just want to quickly italicize/embolden something. </whine>
- Killfiles don't work right now, as one of my killed is showing up again grr.

― Leee, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

It all looks very clean and new though, doesn't it?

Like its had a nice thorough going over by a "woman who does". Admittedly, the woman has moved a few things around so you can't find them, but what the hoo...

― Guilty_Boksen, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

I'm used to it already. Scott, I will hold your hand.

― Maria :D, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah well it saves you pressing shift.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

Scott, never log me out and I promise never to log you out and then we'll just let the computer remember our passwords.

― Maria :D, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

you can change your passwords in prefs

― cutty, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:39 (eighteen years ago)

hey i dunno if there's a mod request board yet or not but i've noticed on the noize bored someone registered a "HSTENCIL JR" - perhaps making everyone re-register was not such a good idea.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

Mods of satellite boards aren't mods anymore for now or for ever?
For now. Need to fix a few things first.

Can't browse through thread categories -- I assume they exist somewhere in the aethernet?
No, gone. Have to strip out as much as possible, to support zillinos of threads on one wee server.

BBCode = boourns. Brackets = boourns when I just want to quickly italicize/embolden something. </whine>
You know who to blame. It's a security hole.

Killfiles don't work right now, as one of my killed is showing up again grr.
Nowt to do with us. Who wrote them?

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

hstencil: that's Jon. He started out by squatting, before registering his own account. I banned him, but he can't get back in while the mailer is playing up. Once he's got his own account, I'll delete hstencil jr.

EVERBODE ELSE: DON'T SQUAT ACCOUNTS. I'll ban em on sight.

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:41 (eighteen years ago)

zillinos is really a lot

― Maria :D, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

why is there a need for everyone to re-register, if old threads are there, anyways? you shoulda known that could cause a problem.

― hstencil, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

what is squatting accounts?

― Maria :D, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

squatting counts in large amounts

― remy bean, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

will xpost logic come back? Maybe I'll just preface every post with xpost now.

― Maria :D, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

i'm really not trying to bitch too much but SURELY there's a way to allow limited html without inviting hostile jwscript hijinx?

― say it with blood diamonds, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

- Killfiles don't work right now, as one of my killed is showing up again grr. 

why must you braek hearts?

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

ha stenc that was jon - you clearly havent fully experinced this woderful shit storm here http://ilx.thehold.net/thread.php?msgid=104174

― jh0shea, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:43 (eighteen years ago)

http://991.com/newgallery//Count-Basie-Paradise-Squat-361641.jpg

― remy bean, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

Nah, we're back to 2001 style now. post fast, post often.

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

oh jeez xp w/o warning

― jh0shea, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

hahah, I forgot about no html above.

btw this fast thread and sandbox my afternoon work output has gone to shit.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:45 (eighteen years ago)

Politely requesting information on:

*board bookmarks
*random thread button

Return of ILX search, well done!

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

can this be made to look exactly like ILX?

― RJG, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

*bashes head on desk*

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

why is there a need for everyone to re-register, if old threads are there, anyways? you shoulda known that could cause a problem.

Because in old ILX you had two names - your login and your display name. If we imported that one, there would have been people named stupid one-off stuff. If we used the other, people could have been stuck with really bizarre stuff they thought nobody would ever see. Also, 16,000 registered accounts is nothing like the real total. Lots of dead ones in there.

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

You're a star stet. Thanks so much for this.

― Mark C, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

RJG, no, that's not possible.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:47 (eighteen years ago)

okay, i changed my password. wheeeeew, i feel better already.

― scott seward, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:49 (eighteen years ago)

Are de-indexed threads consigned to the dustbin unless you can remember when they were last posted on or they come up on random, since you can't search for them on the google-based search engine and there's no category to look under?

I'm used to the stylesheet, sort of, already. I'm just missing wee features I take for granted, like bookmarks and knowing when I'm xposting, and other things that just seem odd.

― ailsa, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:49 (eighteen years ago)

yay scott

― Maria :D, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

this is difficult to read

― RJG, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

oh man you gotta put the board bookmarks back at the top though or i'll go nutso. i'm a compulsive board bookmark clicker!!!

― scott seward, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

stet:

- Andrew and Will wrote the two Greasemonkey killfiles, which are based on old-ILX usernames. And sorry, that wasn't a complaint, just an observation.
- Since thread cats. are gone (which gives me major sadface -- no mas ILC Ludatits!!! ;_;), I presume that a more robust search engine will be unveiled? Because right now, the search results point back to old poxy-fuled threads (which I figure you're aware of).
- Screw the brackets and displaying properly, I shall continue to use HTML, regardless, and people will just have to mentally convert it!! </whatever>

― Leee, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

perdika

― Frogman Henry, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

RJG: No, it does different things, some of them better, some of them not at all.

*board bookmarks
I'd use your browser bookmarks for now, tbh. It's not high-pri
*random thread button
Do lots of people use this? I could write a javascript bookmarklet that would do somethign similar

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry about the at signs frogman. I did think of you at that point, but hey, security

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

Also, yeah, the username/screennames thing is odd. Especially since you've imported the old ones.

Also, we're not going to get Ally and Tom's comedy email address zings anymore :-(

Can you set your username so you can't get webmail off folks, since you're requiring actual real email addresses and providing a webmail link? You could turn it off on old-ILX.

― ailsa, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

Also, since there's no more xpost checker, I'd assume that most users will want to be directed straight back to the thread to see if any other users xposted them.

― Leee, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

managed to read this: RJG: No, it does different things, some of them better, some of them not at all.

what does it mean?

― RJG, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:52 (eighteen years ago)

hello!

― Eisbaer, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:53 (eighteen years ago)

we're not going to get ...comedy email address zings anymore

This place RULES

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

Crumbs, I sorta miss xpost too.

this is difficult to read
Are you using the new stylesheet? Shift-reload and all that.

Are de-indexed threads consigned to the dustbin unless you can remember when they were last posted on or they come up on random, since you can't search for them on the google-based search engine and there's no category to look under?
There's a thread title seach. Click "direct ILX search" on the search page.

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

Ailsa -- use Direct ILX Search. Finding old threads isn't a problem so long as the thread titles had a key word or two around.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

X-post indeed.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:54 (eighteen years ago)

RJG: No, it does different things, some of them better, some of them not at all.
IE: It can't look exactly the same, because it works in different ways so some buttons won't be there at all, and other stuff (like the signature lines) will always be different.

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

test

― chaki, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:55 (eighteen years ago)

The no screen name change thing is the only sadness I only used it once, to drop my surname, and that may be something that others may want to do in the future. I've enjoyed others do it as well. However, not a high priority. If you can keep it running as fast as this under load, I'll be more than happy.

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:56 (eighteen years ago)

does the "new stylesheet" look v spaced out and...white?

w/ lots of italics?

if so: yes, I am using it

― RJG, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:56 (eighteen years ago)

no display name change just takes pressure off of the lazy/unimaginative of us to be zingy.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

that is the one, a new style sheet is being worked on I hear.

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

- Since thread cats. are gone (which gives me major sadface -- no mas ILC Ludatits!!! ;_;), I presume that a more robust search engine will be unveiled? Because right now, the search results point back to old poxy-fuled threads (which I figure you're aware of).

Nevermind this! Just found Direct ILX Search courtesy of Raggettbot.

― Leee, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

I think it must be a shame that this can't be made to look exactly like ILX

― RJG, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:57 (eighteen years ago)

a new new one

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

SOMEONE DROPPED THE BALL HARD

― sanskrit, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

: )

― RJG, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

this redesign makes me realize what a visionary genius Graham was.

― sanskrit, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:58 (eighteen years ago)

not graham

― RJG, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)

RJG, I'm only joking, it could be, if anyone can be arsed to do it.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

waaaaaaaah

― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

xxpost, you obv. never saw the old code.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

Which I can't, since I've spent a long time writing all this.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

Hmmm... I guess I was expecting your typical phpBB-type deal with avatars & the like. On the plus side, the site is faster than ever, so that's a plus.

― Tantrum The Cat, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:00 (eighteen years ago)

keith I was talking to whoever called Graham a genius! (no xpost warning madness!)

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

Incidentally, if you're in Firefox, you can go View->Page Style->No Style, which just turns the style sheet off and compresses it all a bit.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

Direct ILX Search = cheers, hadn't noticed that. Intuition doesn't quite work on this shit yet, but I'm getting there.

lack of xpost notification is k-annoying though.

― ailsa, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:01 (eighteen years ago)

we still have THIS --> ;__;

plus ça change ...

― Eisbaer, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:02 (eighteen years ago)

test

(. .)%

― Eisbaer, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

I wish someone had warned us that we wouldn't be able to change our display name. Now I am fucking stuck with this one I picked on a whim.

― Kate, non masonic, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:03 (eighteen years ago)

I've opened the gates to the googlers. Database usage has *soared* (it was ticking over at virtually nothing), unsurprisingly.

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:04 (eighteen years ago)

And I have no idea which one you are.

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:04 (eighteen years ago)

am not having a dig--I don't know how any of this stuff works and appreciate it must take a lot of time and effort and the rest of the stuff it takes--thank you for the time and effort and the rest of the stuff

the having different stylesheets stuff seems unnecessary, though

― RJG, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:06 (eighteen years ago)

I wish someone had warned us that we wouldn't be able to change our display name.

UH, YEAH. i'm guessing by the lack of response to this on either thread that's never going to be fixed? so it's ugly, less functional, and no fun.

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

see, that was a dig

― RJG, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:08 (eighteen years ago)

three, actually

― RJG, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:08 (eighteen years ago)

God knows why that person would want to change their name.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

there has been a response, it was done to strip out some of the huge amount of data in the database and keep the load on the server down.

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

the having different stylesheets stuff seems unnecessary, though

It isn't really necessary, but it is handy -- it lets you change how ILX looks (everyone has a preference, not yet plumbed in?) so it will work better on phones and different types of browsers. Plus this style sheet will evolve to look more old-ILXy *in time*.

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

come on stet et al just add a display name thingy plllllllzzzzzz

― jh0shea, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

The database is the same as it was... It's just that all the recent data is cached in memory.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:09 (eighteen years ago)

Well, actually, it's a different database, but the same data, migrated across.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

Usually to reflect how I'm feeling at the time. It's like changing your undies and I do it about as often

.....uh not really.

― Kate, non masonic, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

Geez, no cross posting warning shit either!

― Kate, non masonic, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

Ed OTM. you can have millions of functions or millions of threads, but not both on the same smallish computer (which was the best we could afford, and everyone was incredibly generous too. How many other sites have ran on fumes since 1999 without losing stuff in the process?)

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

God knows why that person would want to change their name.

UP YRS "KEITH"

there has been a response, it was done to strip out some of the huge amount of data in the database and keep the load on the server down.

okay, and how effective is that going to be when people create new logins everytime they want to change their name?

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

eep

― electricsound, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

How much drag would a display name create?

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

Hmmm... I guess I was expecting your typical phpBB-type deal with avatars & the like. On the plus side, the site is faster than ever, so that's a plus.

Tantrum The Cat on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:00 PM (7 minutes ago)

And on the redundancy tip, I'm incredibly redundant. Fuck's sakes.

― Tantrum The Cat, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:11 (eighteen years ago)

hi, GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, I'm RJG

― RJG, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

you would probably have to use a new, real email everytime you create a login, right?

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

this formatting is a ~~godsend~~ real help for nitwits like me

ty to everyone for all their hard work, i'm sure things will get brighter later

― Ward Fowler, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:12 (eighteen years ago)

yay! thank you ILX programming team!

― f. hazel, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

monkey car john, I says!

― Øystein, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

evening.

well done chaps :)

― CarsmileSteve, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:14 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, thankyou ILX programming team for taking away all the bits that made this place a little bit user friendly. I appreciate that.

― Kate, non masonic, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:15 (eighteen years ago)

You know, after months of doing this, I appreciate that comment, Kate.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

[i]you would probably have to use a new, real email everytime you create a login, right?[/]

i'd imagine. god knows it's a nightmare to get an email address these days. took me 20 seconds once.

also HI RJG!!!!!!

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

Excellent.

― Kate, non masonic, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks for the take-off-CSS tip, really helps

― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

*awaiting Kate's version of ILx*

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:16 (eighteen years ago)

Keith I'm very proud of you fwiw.

― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

My version might've retained some of the good elements of the old one, but whatever.

― Kate, non masonic, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:17 (eighteen years ago)

then bust it out! srsly, don't complain about things you can't do yourself.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

I'm agnostic about display names, but I would like to know if there are plans to reintroduce permalinks to individual posts within a thread.

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

― Fluffy Bear, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

Huh? What a stupid comment.

― Kate, non masonic, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:18 (eighteen years ago)

Um, I'm guessing that's not actually kate (of the St C variety, at any rate), amirite?

― ailsa, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

we fear change

― billstevejim, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

No, for fucks sake. My name specifies that. It's why I picked it.

― Kate, non masonic, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:20 (eighteen years ago)

permalinks and xposts, ilxmagicians, please, you are awesome, thanks.

― Fluffy Bear, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

if we all have to stick with user names a new intro thread to re-introduce people might be in order. (alisa, I assumed not.)

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:21 (eighteen years ago)

who is GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ?

― RJG, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

Hello. I haven't been here for ages! Looks nice enough to me though. These whingey people are...well, they're the reason I haven't been here for ages, really. Won't it be nice if this reformat chases them all away?

― JimD, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

There's a lot of white space... and Times New Roman in the comment box.

― James Mitchell, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

Ooh, other Kate, you are charming.

I'm actually Dan Perry.

― ailsa, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:23 (eighteen years ago)

i am listening to the laughing gnome, and imagining this kate, non masonic speaking in the voice of the gnome...

― CarsmileSteve, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:23 (eighteen years ago)

I think I just woke up on the wrong side of the bed. Forgive me, I'll be back to my inconspicuous self tomorrow.

― Kate, non masonic, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:23 (eighteen years ago)

Y'know, now that I've carved out a niche as being a total bitch and all.

― Kate, non masonic, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

I don't get why ppl are ganging up on Kate, being snarky instead of just saying "it'll be fixed soon." Because if the board really DID have to be like this forever I would be just as pissed off as her right now.

― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

Hey Steve!

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:24 (eighteen years ago)

Don't listen to that fraud. I'm Dan Perry!

― Fluffy Bear, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

Oy, the "hide xxx messages" thing I just got was way confusing, since it appears mid-thread.

― Leee, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

We are all Dan Perry.

― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:25 (eighteen years ago)

i like how it says servlet in the url now - servlet is a cute word.

― jh0shea, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:26 (eighteen years ago)

So where do we go to make suggestions, cause I already have a suggestion/question: I seriously hope we will be able to disable images like we were previously able to.

If not, I won't be able to post here, for various reasons.

― Trayce, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:29 (eighteen years ago)

I thought you already could.

― Kate, non masonic, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:29 (eighteen years ago)

Click more, and go to preferences.

― Kate, non masonic, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

it really wants to be said with a lisp

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:30 (eighteen years ago)

servlet, that is

― TOMBOT, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:31 (eighteen years ago)

thuurvlit

― jh0shea, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

hi keith :)

thervlet, hehehe

― CarsmileSteve, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:32 (eighteen years ago)

Oh! My apologies. I went there and thought it only did the pwd and timezone. Shows me.

― Trayce, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:34 (eighteen years ago)

Actually wait: it isn't wrking for me. I'm still seeing images in the WDYL thread (and yes Ive reloaded it, even force reloaded it).

― Trayce, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

who is GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ?

i'd love to tell you but this crazy software won't let me change my name!

― GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:38 (eighteen years ago)

yaaaayyyyy #unread! awesome!!

― teeny, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

The Formatting help is the best thing ever!

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

'sup, dudes.

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

hi! i'm the same

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

this is wierd it keeps logging me out : (

― M@tt He1ges0n, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

I mean

The Formatting ~~help~~

is the best

http://www.tvacres.com/images/thing_movie2.jpg ever!

― Whiney G. Weingarten, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

plz implement img tags instead of image thx

― fies, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

M@tt, you probably aren't getting logged out, just that the "Login" link doesn't go away even if you are logged in. See also: the "Logout" link.

― Leee, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

― Fluffy Bear, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:54 (eighteen years ago)

I do like this time zone thing actually working

― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:55 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks to everyone who made this possible for all your hard work. I look forward to getting used to it.

Meanwhile, yeah, the getting logged out part...

― Pye Poudre, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:57 (eighteen years ago)

Is there an admin log somewhere that could be made accessible to the common non-mod?

― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 21:59 (eighteen years ago)

it's starting to dawn on me what a spectacularly thankless task the creation of nu-ILX - WHICH IS A WORK IN PROGRESS - must have been. and indeed still be.

respect to all involved. demerits to the ingrates.

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:05 (eighteen years ago)

I had same prob as M@tt, but seems to be OK now. All hail magical hard working ILX makers. Hurrah!

― Hard like armour, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:05 (eighteen years ago)

Haha G... I take it you're reading some of this! Cheers.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:05 (eighteen years ago)

250,000 page hits since this was turned on just two hours ago.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:06 (eighteen years ago)

― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:12 (eighteen years ago)

Spiders & spammers be working OT!

― David R., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:13 (eighteen years ago)

Well done all concerned, and thanks.

(This is Tom E, by the way)

― Groke, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

Could posting redirect you back to thread instead of New Answers page?

― Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

Ha, indeed. Must be.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:14 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks, Tom. I'm off out with your mate for BEERZ tomorrow night.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:15 (eighteen years ago)

I am getting logged out, pretty much whenever I try to post.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

I keep hearing the Tetris music in my head...

― Ronan, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

well, not that timee.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:20 (eighteen years ago)

you know what? after 30 minutes' dicking about, i think i prefer this.

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:22 (eighteen years ago)

a "later" link would be lovely, though.

[ducks]

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:26 (eighteen years ago)

What's one of them?

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:28 (eighteen years ago)

Oh bless you for getting CTRL-MiddleMouse to work!

― David R., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)

You could turn it on in the old code. It allows you to set the point at which you come back into the thread when using a #unread link.

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:29 (eighteen years ago)

Skipping 173 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Is there any way we can put this at the very beginning or end of the thread? Pleeease?

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)

a kind-of "fuck me, this thread's long. i'll finish it later" link.

each post had a "later" link (was this a settings option? can't remember). you clicked it; next time you opened the thread, you went straight to that message again.

on a related note: is there any way to show all details (ie the message number, so you can directly link to a specific post on a thread)?

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)

Nick, it's deliberate, to reduce server load. In the sense that you only click it if you're actually interested in reading the thread.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:31 (eighteen years ago)

er, xpost. fuck.

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:32 (eighteen years ago)

G - it currently does that, if you're logged in - oh hang on, you mean effectively so you can set the position of the unread message, I see.

No way to make a direct link to a message yet. At some point soon, when I have some time, I will set up a poll that people can vote on for things to be done, we can work out what order they go in then, but right now, it's clear that a lot of things people don't like are things they're getting rapidly used to, so a few weeks' bedding in time makes sense.

That and the fact that my major concern is making sure it works!, which everyone else is taking for granted!

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:33 (eighteen years ago)

No way to make a direct link to a message yet. At some point soon, when I have some time, I will set up a poll that people can vote on for things to be done, we can work out what order they go in then, but right now, it's clear that a lot of things people don't like are things they're getting rapidly used to, so a few weeks' bedding in time makes sense.

That and the fact that my major concern is making sure it works!, which everyone else is taking for granted!

Quoted so I can go to bed and rest in peace.

― .stet., Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:34 (eighteen years ago)

Stet - 350,000 hits so far.... F**k!

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)

Get these ads on and wired into my bank account!

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)

oh hang on, you mean effectively so you can set the position of the unread message, I see

exactly. i guess a lot of people didn't even know it was there in the old code. bloody useful, though, if you decided that a thread you thought you'd skim actually turned out to be worth reading.

poll is a good idea.

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:36 (eighteen years ago)

There's definitely stuff i'd like to see changed, but thanks, guys. I appreciate your work.

― Michael White, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, it's funny, loads of people have gone PLZ TO IMPLEMENT, and I don't have a f***ing clue what it is!

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks, Michael. Very kind.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, it's funny, loads of people have gone PLZ TO IMPLEMENT, and I don't have a f***ing clue what it is!

in that case, can you bring back the really important feature whereby whenever anyone clicked a link, anywhere, i got a tenner? cheers.

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

Did you have that feature before?!?

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:44 (eighteen years ago)

He's a liar. Instead, I earned $10 every time I posted.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:44 (eighteen years ago)

and i got £20 every time ned posted.

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:48 (eighteen years ago)

Were you running a crooked pyramid scheme?

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:49 (eighteen years ago)

I fear you are mistaken.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:49 (eighteen years ago)

(That was to Grimly but it could apply to Keith. The x-post situation is my number one enhancement request!)

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:49 (eighteen years ago)

Aww,, this is cool! Shiny new ILXland! *huggz* to the tech guys in the corner for making this work and being brilliant and that.

(but yeh, it is ugly) *don't hurt me*

― The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:49 (eighteen years ago)

so THIS is NUVVIEWORLD

― nickalicious, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:50 (eighteen years ago)

Not sure if I like the new answers line spacing. It's potentially easier to read, but now I have to scroll more.

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:51 (eighteen years ago)

I feel disoriented.

― The Reverend, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:55 (eighteen years ago)

Also, I think I posted this before, but there's nothing to indicate a "revive" (i.e. an extended passage of time between posts)

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 22:56 (eighteen years ago)

I spotted that as well. I'm sure it's on their to-do list tho.

― The Wayward Johnny B, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:00 (eighteen years ago)

I don't have one.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:00 (eighteen years ago)

you do now.

:)

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

Fuck, I've lost it!

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:01 (eighteen years ago)

Hm, I see that old posts have the person's pseudonym followed by their name in brackets. Will this eventually be the case for new posts?

― DavidM, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:04 (eighteen years ago)

ooh, me likee the return to last post read.

― Hard like armour, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:05 (eighteen years ago)

Hm, I see that old posts have the person's pseudonym followed by their name in brackets. Will this eventually be the case for new posts?

I think that's just the porting over of the old stuff. Check the new questions from today.

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:07 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, it is. The old board had email add; login id and display name. That's one too many, but I preserved this in the database migration. There is nothing else to show in the new one; you see the only display thing there is.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:11 (eighteen years ago)

test!!

― Eisbaer, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:14 (eighteen years ago)

Right, I went off and did stuff and came back and now when I open a thread it doesn't go back to where I last read it up until, it just goes back to the top.

(this isn't a "later" request, as I'd read the whole thread, it's an "unread messages" issue)

― ailsa, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:15 (eighteen years ago)

I think it looks great. But then again I just turned the font on my browser to 'Eurostile' so everything is a bit funky.

― calstars, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

had it logged you out?

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

X FUCKING POST

― grimly fiendish, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

And I got logged out on posting, but when I logged back in, it jumped back to the end of the thread when I clicked back on this thread. Weirdness!

― ailsa, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:16 (eighteen years ago)

Ailsa, you might be logged out, this version times you out after a while (or is it idleness-lelated?). In any case, try logging back in, the last-read fxn should be working.

― Laurel, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:17 (eighteen years ago)

Ah right, XP.

― Laurel, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:17 (eighteen years ago)

Ailsa, there is a limit to how long it remembers unread stuff. Part of the problem is it's a tradeoff between memory usage and how many people use the site. It looks as though I'll need to up it.

Problem was, we had no measure of anything on the old site. I now know how many hits its getting and that will help, in time.

That said, I am somewhat surprised - are you logged in? It will only remember if you're logged in.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:18 (eighteen years ago)

This thing times out your logins? No wai!

― Trayce, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

The old board had email add; login id and display name. That's one too many, but I preserved this in the database migration

I thought it was a choice. I always turned on view email, because with everyone changing names, I wasn't sure who was posting what without it.

― Spencer Chow, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

Could you write some stuff like the unread position to cookies rather than to the db to save resources?

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:19 (eighteen years ago)

Obv there was some xposting there. Yeah, um, why does it log you out after a while? And please please PLEASE make xpost notifications come back.

(not idleness related, I don't think, since I'd actually shut ILX down on my computer whilst WATCHING HEROES OMG WHERE IS HEROES THREAD)

― ailsa, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:21 (eighteen years ago)

I considered that, and if this isn't good enough, I could do, but there are limits on the size of cookies.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:21 (eighteen years ago)

HI Keith sorry to be a broken record here but "hide images" is not working. (not for me anyway).

― Trayce, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:22 (eighteen years ago)

I thought I was still logged in when I came back - cookies and that. I posted a response. Then it asked me to log in, but my post had been posted anyhow. Does that make sense - I am crap at explaining since I am a luddite.

― ailsa, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:22 (eighteen years ago)

So, in a sense, you have to start forgetting them at some point, because of the size of cookies on the client, or the lack of memory on the server. Client side stuff saves server resources, though. It was a bit of a tradeoff; it means more network traffic and consequently threads being held for longer than necessary.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:23 (eighteen years ago)

Don't change anything. It's fine. Well done.

― Michael Jones, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:24 (eighteen years ago)

Trayce, are you sure you're logged in? It will only pick up preferences if you are... Other than that, you'll have to explain exactly what you're doing in detail, I'm afraid, as it works for others.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:24 (eighteen years ago)

Cheers, Mike... Good to see you.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:26 (eighteen years ago)

sdfewfds

― chaki, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:26 (eighteen years ago)

half the time it seems to jump to the unread point, but half the time not.

― s1ocki, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:41 (eighteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure I am logged in, though I have no way of being able to tell to be honest. Lemme try and test it.

― Trayce, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:42 (eighteen years ago)

You could have a cookie per thread, (a bit of clutter but I have seen it done before)

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:46 (eighteen years ago)

There's also a limit on number of cookies from a given domain.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:47 (eighteen years ago)

that does put a cap on simplicity, scrub that idea, then.

― Ed, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:48 (eighteen years ago)

OK I wasnt logged in weird. But when I have hide images on, how to I click on the images to see them individually? Or cant that be done? :(

― Trayce, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:48 (eighteen years ago)

You're reminding me of the thought process I went through at the time!

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:48 (eighteen years ago)

Tracye, it can't be now. I just got rid of them. At some point, yes, but not now, as it was down the list of things to do.

― Keith, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:49 (eighteen years ago)

Fair enough, I spose.

― Trayce, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:49 (eighteen years ago)

i was out earlier so missed the css debacle. lol at the 'bring back times new roman' cries tho.

brilliant work keith and stet, effort v appreciated.

― blueski, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:50 (eighteen years ago)

I'd like the option to jump between ILM and ILE to be as simple as it was before. Now it takes TWO (2) whole clicks!
I like all this though.

― DavidM, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:53 (eighteen years ago)

whoaaaaaa im trippin my nut sack into a frenzy of dik play

― electricsound, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)

I lurve it.

― J, Wednesday, 21 February 2007 23:59 (eighteen years ago)

Can I use bbcode BOLD?

Yes I can! Hooray!

― J, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:00 (eighteen years ago)

Please get rid of all the empty lines (both in threads and on the new answers page). There's too much dead space!

― Dan I., Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:14 (eighteen years ago)

I'd like the option to jump between ILM and ILE to be as simple as it was before. Now it takes TWO (2) whole clicks!

otm

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:15 (eighteen years ago)

I'd like the option to jump between ILM and ILE to be as simple as it was before. Now it takes TWO (2) whole clicks!

it takes one keystroke to change "boardid" in the URL from 40 to 41, bros.

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:19 (eighteen years ago)

Two. Cuz you have to hit return. ;)

― Alex Forgot His Email Address in SF, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:21 (eighteen years ago)

i have really unnaturally big hands. or something :/

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:23 (eighteen years ago)

"one keystroke to change "boardid" in the URL from 40 to 41, bros" =/= "the option to jump between ILM and ILE to be as simple as it was before"

This is kind of a lot of old people "fear is bad" handwringing though, isn't it?

Nevertheless, I must ask: is there a way to make my login NOT time-out?

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:29 (eighteen years ago)

HI DERE NuILX!

[not complaining]For some reason, I feel like the new style is hurting my neck.[/not complaining]

― G00blar, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:29 (eighteen years ago)

14 seconds ago

Rad!

― G00blar, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:30 (eighteen years ago)

Nevertheless, I must ask: is there a way to make my login NOT time-out?

SRSLY.

Still, I applaud Keith and Stet's work on ILX-Cubed. Thanks!

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:33 (eighteen years ago)

Formatting like this is stupid! Bring back normal-ass html!

― Dan I., Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:45 (eighteen years ago)

No. Why?
http://ilx.thehold.net/thread.php?msgid=102935#unread

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:47 (eighteen years ago)

not to be super-complainy but the line that used to appear to delineate a gap in posting of over a week is missed.

― s1ocki, Thursday, 22 February 2007 00:51 (eighteen years ago)

hello ILx my old friend
maybe I'll post more on this version
~~nah, I doubt it~~

― emil.y, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:05 (eighteen years ago)

I WILL SEND YOU ALL FUCKING FIREFLY DVDS IF YOU JUST LET US CHANGE OUR USER NAMES

― a_p, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:09 (eighteen years ago)

Hey! If you click on someone's username, you can send an email THROUGH ILX.

― G00blar, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:12 (eighteen years ago)

About the usernames: Old ilx didn't let you change your usernames either, it let you change your display names. This code doesn't have display names, a) because logged-out people can't post, b) it's one more damn thing to keep track of.

The whole point of this code is to cut down the zillions of database work that brought old-ILX to its knees. On certain pages, it ran *14* database searches -- just to show you the page! On a cached thread, this code runs *0* searches. None at all. That makes it far faster, and means it can handle the load without poxy fooling.

If we add per-user bookmarks, per-user names and per-user geegaws, we'll be back where we started! Sure there's going to be a bit of space to add on a few tricks, but it's not going to happen until we know exactly how much load this code is going to be. That's not going to be tonight. Or this week. Or next. And even if it were, I'd personally much rather have an x-post warning than a changeable username.

As for styles: like I said on the sandbox, if someone wants to come up with a stylesheet that rocks, send it to me and I'll look at it. I realise not everybody can dig into the java servlets, but there's a lot of folks can talk CSS, surely?

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:16 (eighteen years ago)

There's too much dead space!

Indeed.

― MRZBW, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:16 (eighteen years ago)

And even if it were, I'd personally much rather have an x-post warning than a changeable username.

I'd rather have both and no polls, if it were up to me. Which it isn't. Perhaps you could put your polls to good use and find out what the people who are going to be using this actually rate higher in terms of what they want out of it?

G000blar, you could do webmail before, but, as I mentioned upthread, you could also turn it off, which you can't do here.

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:21 (eighteen years ago)

I'd rather have both and no polls, if it were up to me. Which it isn't. Perhaps you could put your polls to good use and find out what the people who are going to be using this actually rate higher in terms of what they want out of it?

Polls aren't a per-user thing! (Which is where the load comes from). Also, as is bolded above there will be a poll to ask for new features, once we're sure the current ones don't fall on their ass.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:23 (eighteen years ago)

Oh pardon me for being a luddite re what clogs stuff and up what doesn't. Also, bolded thing had disappeared into the "494338284 hidden posts in here" thing so I missed it.

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:31 (eighteen years ago)

You mean you aren't reading this thread obsessively when you should be in bed?

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:32 (eighteen years ago)

(ie like i is)

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:33 (eighteen years ago)

I just registered to tell you about all this design is gay

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:36 (eighteen years ago)

No, I'm doing other stuff and checking in occasionally to see if I get used to this and chucking out thoughts as they occur to me. it's not like the same half a dozen things aren't getting repeating on here throughout eg later, random, xposts, trackbacks, user/screen names etc etc

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:38 (eighteen years ago)

OK, I can't construct a sentence any more. Bed time.

― ailsa, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:39 (eighteen years ago)

Hello, nu-ilx. Lookin' a leetle strange.

― Roz, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:39 (eighteen years ago)

would it be possible for it to return you to the 51st post after you click the link in the middle of the thread? (or does it do this already and i just wasn't logged in?)

reading the first 50 posts and then having to scroll through them all again to get to the rest of the thread is really annoying.

― webber, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:41 (eighteen years ago)

That's a good point. It should do that.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:45 (eighteen years ago)

GUYS STOP COMPLANEING WE HAVE POLLS NOW

― █▄█▒ ▄ █▄█▒ sans ░&#, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:45 (eighteen years ago)

what is with the poll thing anyway? this isn't all some elaborate guerrilla marketing scheme, is it?

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:54 (eighteen years ago)

maria will teach you

― █▄█▒ ▄ █▄█▒ sans ░&#, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:56 (eighteen years ago)

i don't trust nu-ilx yet. it feels like microsoft bought it.

i'll come around though. i can get used to all kinds of shit.

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:56 (eighteen years ago)

Somebody -- stevem I think -- asked for it really early on in the speccing process. If only he'd known that was like the 1 nuIlx wish.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:57 (eighteen years ago)

see i didn't even know that you posted that before i posted what i posted. everything is all bugaboo. why do i keep having to log-in? i haven't logged out.

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:58 (eighteen years ago)

How do you feel about guerilla marketing schemes, Scott Seward?

A) Yes Plz

etc

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:58 (eighteen years ago)

okay, that was an x-post to sanskrit cuz i didn't know that you posted that either.

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:58 (eighteen years ago)

okay that was an x-post to stet cuz i didn't know that you posted that either.

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 01:59 (eighteen years ago)

okay i think i've gone mad.

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:00 (eighteen years ago)

xpost

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:01 (eighteen years ago)

Please get rid of all the empty lines (both in threads and on the new answers page). There's too much dead space!

Dan I. on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:14 PM (1 hour ago)

Second and Third that - can see just a single post KILL THE DEAD SPACE. remonds me of DOS

― Wiggy Woo, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:06 (eighteen years ago)

also want to return to my post not be spun off to new answers please.

― Wiggy Woo, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:07 (eighteen years ago)

Whoa, I got here!

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:20 (eighteen years ago)

yey!

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:21 (eighteen years ago)

Can't see anyone's email!

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:21 (eighteen years ago)

Now that you're here, do you think there is too much white space? I have an inkling there probably is.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:21 (eighteen years ago)

is this how you get bold?

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:23 (eighteen years ago)

Yup.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:23 (eighteen years ago)

When you say "shift reload" do you mean hold down the shift key and click the refresh button in my browser or do I have to use one of the function keys?

― Maria :D, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:27 (eighteen years ago)

hold down the shift key and click the refresh button in yr browser

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:27 (eighteen years ago)

BTW, I like the gray box at the top of each thread.

I wonder if the content of nu-ILX will tend to be airier now.

― Maria :D, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:28 (eighteen years ago)

Actually I was thinking that, with the broader spaces between posts, we might all feel inspired to post less "OTM" etc style posts and actually lay out more thoughtful, thorough replies (whether they turn out a la Nabisco OTM vs GZeus "this staff goes to L", we'll have to wait and see).

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:30 (eighteen years ago)

oh you mean take all the fun out of posting. awesome!

― chaki, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:32 (eighteen years ago)

otm

― nickalicious, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:34 (eighteen years ago)

like a pillow made of cotton candy

― remy bean, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:36 (eighteen years ago)

Would it be a major change to alter 'image' to 'img'? If we're going to have BBCode, it might as well be the same as all other BBCode, right?

― milo z, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:37 (eighteen years ago)

nu-ILX is Java/servlets? That's my day job, I wouldn't mind helping out if you guys run into issues...

― mh, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:38 (eighteen years ago)

I find the white space elegant. Breathing room. Ahhh. We shall all start posting in haiku.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:39 (eighteen years ago)

Still ugly (I'm no CSS whiz) but at least more readable due to less white space: style2.css

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:42 (eighteen years ago)

One thing I would prefer to be more like Ye Olde ILX would be to have shorter lines separating posts.
Instead of
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
it could be
----------------------------

― Maria :D, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:42 (eighteen years ago)

mh I've webmailed you. Thanks!

Curtis that looks tighter, yeh, is on the pile for upload tomorrow. Thanks!

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:45 (eighteen years ago)

sry, link is now style2.css

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:46 (eighteen years ago)

(nb I did not test it on the New Answers page, only on a thread)

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:46 (eighteen years ago)

how do you use that? i know nothing about this stuff

― latebloomer, Thursday, 22 February 2007 02:53 (eighteen years ago)

How do I shot yr CSS Curtis?

I want to make a CSS on Ts joke but I cant think of one.

― Trayce, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:06 (eighteen years ago)

u do not shot it yourself. stet has to upload it and it will be automatically implemented for everyone.

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:22 (eighteen years ago)

you can always make your own, using ILX's current template:

ilx {
gayness: 110%;
}

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:24 (eighteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v208/jcoombs/export.jpg

― remy bean, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:29 (eighteen years ago)

remy OTM

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:30 (eighteen years ago)

Curtis: when I tested yours in Safari it went a bit weird, with everything going hard to the left.

In the meantime, I've taken down the padding on the message boxes and made the HRs thinner which should reduce some of the white space. Shift-reload to see it folks. And now I'm definitely going to bed.

― stet, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:31 (eighteen years ago)

AWESOME I WANT

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:32 (eighteen years ago)

Curtis: when I tested yours in Safari it went a bit weird, with everything going hard to the left.

Sorry about that. :/ I was trying to replicate the old ILX's less extreme padding & I only tested it in Firefox (bad idea obv.) But I have very little CSS experience; I was mostly going by trial & error.

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:36 (eighteen years ago)

Is there any way we can make the thread title the "focus" of the heading rather than the board name?

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:37 (eighteen years ago)

actually, i was wondering if there was a way to parse out the div class 'menubar' -- but only the one on the bottom of the page? i know there are silly little workarounds like setting the text to a tiny size, or way left, or white, but i was wondering if there were a more elegant solution?

― remy bean, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:41 (eighteen years ago)

Ooh thats a little bit better stet! I like it now.

― Trayce, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:41 (eighteen years ago)

Also: I think I realised stet had to add the stylesheet to the server, I think I was wondering if there's any way to apply stylesheets browserside on the fly, but then again, that's probably patently absurd :/ I havent web coded since moses was a baby.

― Trayce, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:43 (eighteen years ago)

trayce - the firefox add-on 'stylish' works amazingly well.

― remy bean, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:44 (eighteen years ago)

One last tweak, to bring the line heights even closer to old ILX. I've compared three threads old and new, and they all display exactly the same for posts, when the old is brought in to the same width. Shift-reloard.

― stet, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:45 (eighteen years ago)

squishy

― electricsound, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:46 (eighteen years ago)

i'm here

― gershy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:47 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks Jer, I'll have a look at that!

― Trayce, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:48 (eighteen years ago)

thanks stet :)

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:49 (eighteen years ago)

less gay, but still 'bi curious'

― Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Thursday, 22 February 2007 03:52 (eighteen years ago)

looks a lot better!

― latebloomer, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:18 (eighteen years ago)

WAIT WHY NOT HTML

― the table is the table, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:30 (eighteen years ago)

The brackets are actually easier, as no shift-key is required.

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:34 (eighteen years ago)

Because Jesus hates you.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:34 (eighteen years ago)

Stet posted this over on ILM and it would be good to reproduce here:

I understand (some) folks aren't trying to be a pain, and we're not trying to be dicks and saying anything like "ILX will now and forever be like this and shut up". But there's only been a short amount of time to get this off the ground (work only started late last year) and there was never, ever any chance it would have all the features of old ILX (which was written over about five years, full of security holes and really heavy on the database).

Some things are unlikely to come back in the near future. HTML posting is a security risk, frankly. I loathe BBCode, but it's better than parsing a million and one holes out of HTML. Millions of per-user options are out, because they're a DB hit for each logged-in page, or another huge cache to worry about.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:35 (eighteen years ago)

HUG IT OUT BITCHES

― David R., Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:39 (eighteen years ago)

Go to your room!

― Beth Parker, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:40 (eighteen years ago)

A bit earlier than planned, here's nuILX

i understand you're testing what it can handle, etc etc... but really, i must say:
http://www.estatevaults.com/lm/images/%20%20Will%20Kenyon%20preemie-1.jpg

― the table is the table, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:45 (eighteen years ago)

and that's not my hand. my hand is slapping the shit out of this preemie.

― the table is the table, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:45 (eighteen years ago)

Maybe someone has already mentioned this upthread (I haven't read it all), but why come it asks me to log in again every third time I post? Like I'll be logged in, and then I'll post, and instead of confirmation it'll give me the log-in page -- and half the time it's taken my post just fine, and then the other hand I actually have to log in again and repeat the post. Driving me NUTS.

Umm also it'd be nice if each page showed you what you were logged in as. I mean, I'm juggling the personas of nabisco, Wagemann, Tuomas, and The Lex -- I don't wanna slip up and start posting as the wrong one.

― nabisco, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:48 (eighteen years ago)

How long are you taking between posts? You might have you up yr wpm!

― David R., Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:49 (eighteen years ago)

PLUS OMG I'm sure someone has already said this but if I have to keep images turned off at work I could really use a link to note that there's an image there. I can't imagine how that feature got dropped: the world makes no sense without it!

― nabisco, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:51 (eighteen years ago)

listen to mister cool calm and collected.

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:53 (eighteen years ago)

welcome to my world money man.

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:53 (eighteen years ago)

is there any way we'll be able to change user names as often as we choose? i might have missed a post about that earlier.
because really, i don't want to be a line from a mei-mei berssenbrugge poem forever.

― the table is the table, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:54 (eighteen years ago)

nabisco ohm

(off his meds)

― David R., Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:54 (eighteen years ago)

Tho I agree w/ the need / desire for an img placeholder thing.

― David R., Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:54 (eighteen years ago)

also, is there a way to get a link to New Answers at the bottom of each thread?

― the table is the table, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:57 (eighteen years ago)

woooo, ysee, i'm blind. pardon.

― the table is the table, Thursday, 22 February 2007 04:57 (eighteen years ago)

and that's not my hand. my hand is slapping the shit out of this preemie.

That's odd. My hand seems to be reaching over to collectively wring your neck and the neck of everyone who has effortlessly combined a studied indifference to wanting to help around here, a rage of complaints that their minds weren't collectively read, and an inability to read Stet and Keith's various posts about what was done and why it was done, including any number of earlier posts explaining that the code would not be an exact one to one comparison precisely because it was being built from the ground up. Now I wonder why that is that I feel that way.

My lack of patience with a hell of a lot of people suddenly spiked today.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:00 (eighteen years ago)

If I can't get on nu-ilx at work, my productivity will increase greatly, but my productivity at home, where the important stuff takes place, will go down as I try to catch up, or I'll get so frustrated I'll quit ILX forever. I JUST CAN'T QUIT YOU!

― dan selzer, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:02 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.keef.net/mike/images/yanni-ween.jpg

― the table is the table, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:04 (eighteen years ago)

Ned, YOU need to understand that not everyone sits around at a comp all day reading ilx. So get off yr goddamn high horse and try to understand why people would be pissed off, especially upon initial inspection.

Also, I am now over smacking the preemie. Initial reaction = shock and disgust. Now I want to help fix/point out problems.

― the table is the table, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:07 (eighteen years ago)

Too kind of you. Please do so.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:08 (eighteen years ago)

The first thing that came to mind when I first saw nu-ILX was "Holy god there are too many posts and all of them so painful to read. Let me just post something blindly." It happened to be less vitriolic than lfam's but I can def see where he's coming from.

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:12 (eighteen years ago)

I is inspecting.

― the table is the table, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:12 (eighteen years ago)

take a hit of wisdom from teh outlaw noize & pickle broad:

you guys'll get it. these things get done. :)
m.

msp on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 11:43 PM

― m coleman, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:15 (eighteen years ago)

i just copy and pasted someone else's vitriol... i don't have the stomach for that sort of stuff

― lfam, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:17 (eighteen years ago)

oh sorry I thought table was you, lfam.

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:20 (eighteen years ago)

I got my long sandbox names confused :(

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:21 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, i thought that was melting trees, not lfam. Either way, lots of good points. I personally really miss x post warning. The big point though is that there's a new and complicated cache behind all this, and we have to make sure it works.

stuff *will* change. Little things probably sooner, big things not so fast. But give us a chance to get the dull but crucial posts-in posts-out stuff rock solid, eh? I'm noting everything people want, rest assured. In return, please don't be too churlish to folk who worked v hard. Give it time!

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:21 (eighteen years ago)

Thumbs up to everyone involved in making this happen. Not only will ILX not disappear into the night, it's running like a dream. The 2008 Candidate thread just loaded for me in like .5 seconds. Beautiful, finally reaping the actual benefits of a world of nothing but black text on a white page.

Have to say I agree with those who do honestly prefer the Old ILX look and feel - setting aside any gained and lost functionality (I'll go on record as saying I'm not loving the timed-out login), I just feel like this one is harder to read in terms of spacing, what's bold and what's not, and certainly the thread categories - I love those! - etc. This may just be fear of change, but I say if it ain't broke, don't fix it. The UI weren't broke. The DB code was clearly shot to hell and so fixing that === Nobel Internet Prize IMO.

― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:23 (eighteen years ago)

it kind of just hit me. this is our new playground. we're stuck here. this is real. i need more to drink.

― modestmickey, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:31 (eighteen years ago)

really, this looks WAY better than 5 hours ago.

still, the title and menu rows at the top are not right. the old setup was very intuitive, because the navigational links were arranged to communicate the structure of the site, and the user links were off to the side. this was really easy to learn. in this area, the current layout is confusing and illegible. a huge visual problem are the link dividers. they should absolutely not extend above or below the letters. it's like poking someone in the eye while they're trying to read. i know it's some fancy CSS but this is one situation where HTML is sufficient, simpler to code, and better for the user.

also, you don't need to give the board name in a thread. the old menu contained that information.

― lfam, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:32 (eighteen years ago)

Addendum: it looks better every time I log in. Not sure whether that's from me getting used to it or from tireless, thankless nuAdmins trimming the drapes one step ahead of me. Bravo if the latter!

― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:32 (eighteen years ago)

so, the timed-out login is real? no no no, that is absurd for a message board. logged in with cookies is the way to go.

― lfam, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:33 (eighteen years ago)

man i wish we could change login names.

― modestmickey, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:34 (eighteen years ago)

also, there is something seriously fucked up about the "cascading" quality of these style sheets. with CSS off, the text input box is about ten screens wide.

CSS is supposed to degrade gracefully!

― lfam, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:35 (eighteen years ago)

also, the divider following the last message of a thread should be wider (probably not thicker, but whatever) than the others. oh there should be one at the top, too.

actually, if you want graphic design help, i can do it. i have experience in print and web design and i am very thorough.

― lfam, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:38 (eighteen years ago)

CV

http://www.palmbeachmotherfucker.net/

― lfam, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:40 (eighteen years ago)

also, img and a tags (html) should be allowed

― lfam, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:40 (eighteen years ago)

Something I do quite like: the grayed-out first post. Can't say why, it just looks purty! Wonder if an effect like that might also be useful for highlighting revives....naaaaaah, the old "big line" approach makes more sense, forget I said anything.

― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 22 February 2007 05:41 (eighteen years ago)

curt1s otm.

my first reaction was a whole bunch of what-the-fuckness, not because i wasn't appreciative of how responsive the board was, or was ignorant it took to get it that way, but because the UI was intially super-unfamiliar and paddy-bulky, and not nearly as intuitive (feeling) as the one it had replaced. i think it's obvious most of the criticisms were/are meant in good faith – and shouldn't be construed as a dismissive or whatnot, but (mostly) modifiable gremlins and bugaboos of unfamiliar and vaguely irritated initial users.

already stet has made a few good changes, more are to come, yeah, etc., and grumbling together seems a natural part of adapting. let's not overrate a bunch of knee-jerk bitching as anything more than a poorly-expressed desire to make the damn board as usable as possible. additionally, there are plenty of us who would be happy to help but have no immediate way to do so: no coding skills or money to send.

and for those who're only complaining about the new default look, why don't we start a thread for site-specific user-created style-sheets? i was kinda fucking around suggesting this before, but there are enuff creative grouches around here to fix-up a skin or three – at least in the short term – to take the heat off coders addressing more serious concerns, ya know, for the kids.

― remy bean, Thursday, 22 February 2007 06:18 (eighteen years ago)

my sugg:

- put the New Answers et al link thing to a single line, and put the one at the bottom beneath the text box
-fix the formatting on new answers so that it's not so common to have 2-line questions, and if the line drops to a 2nd line, have the text column start under the 1st line of text, not the little line-iten button
-plz to tighten up the line-spacing a bit more
-do we need the grey background/side panels?

other than that, not bad, it has potential.

― kingfish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 06:35 (eighteen years ago)

Hi everyone! Thanks, Keef & Stet, looking fine!

(managed to login, but won't be able to use this on the cell phone until there's a "only show the last xx replies" option, I think)

― StanM, Thursday, 22 February 2007 07:18 (eighteen years ago)

A very good post from Remy there, to be sure. It seems from the programming I will have to split this response into two posts, so here goes:

I would say this, speaking a little more calmly -- I've been on this crazy ride now for almost six and a half years, and am more than fine with that. In that time I've seen plenty in how the board has been used, regarded, mocked, ignored, etc. etc., and I've seen plenty in how whoever was overseeing it at the time handled things as they happened.

I'm not here to judge who's been better than others in the role of oversight, that's a mug's game I'm not interested in. But right now the basic administration of the board, much like the code here itself, is at a new and to my mind very strong place thanks to a thorough revision in how to handle problems, day to day oversight and other requests. That they have not trumpeted this collectively or dwelled on this constantly speaks to their overall modesty about all that they've been able to do. Therefore, let me do that for them a bit, since most of what I've been doing all this time has merely been general encouragement of their efforts. Like Remy says, I'm sure most people appreciate this, but to fully lay it on the line:

In the course of six months, a full new server was purchased via the astonishing generosity of many participants here, a new dedicated hosting arrangement was concluded that allows for regular on-site access by technicians as needed, a team of overall admins was put together and has functioned very well behind the scenes in considering a wide variety of issues, and a new overall administrator, Pashmina, constantly demonstrated a solid maturity and patience on those and other issues. And, of course, Keith with the help of Stet and others created, from scratch, a new, much more robust and far easier to work with code. All of this was done without any money, any recompense, beyond knowing that they'd done their best under the circumstances, and that those circumstances were not perfect, and that not everything was going to work out as planned or in an ideal best situation.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 07:27 (eighteen years ago)

Continuing:

The mods don't need constant praise or any such feel-good nonsense; feedback is not merely welcome, but necessary. Stet has patiently spelled out what is needed in several posts throughout the day, has noted what could still be done, what has been done and what the general priorities are. The information is there, and the mods are there, and will happily respond to calm feedback and suggestions rather than, as Stet put it, 'being too churlish.'

I've trudged through a lot of passive-aggressive stuff today, I admit, and the snapping post at my table was made because I'd had enough; it's not a good moment of mine and I'm sorry for it. But it's time to step up a bit all around, and said passive-aggressive behavior was merely the latest outcrop of such things for a long, long time now. It contributes nothing. We can all either keep complaining about a lack of perfection -- and get nowhere -- or we can collectively and openly contribute -- as Remy, Nabisco, Stet and others have all noted today, even if it's just by simply specifying a feature or a question, straightforwardly -- to continue to improve this place.

Now, maybe that was too serious or too emo for some, I have no idea; maybe you feel this only deserves a snark about how I'm too management now or something. Personally, I'd agree with all those descriptions one way or another. This is, after all, 'just' a web board, or as Tombot and others have wisely noted, one hell of a way for civil servants to kill time at work. But many of you here have been here for years just like I have, and you wouldn't still be here if you didn't think there was something of value here.

And now you've got a dedicated team of folks helping oversee this place. They're human too, and mistakes can be made. But are we free of our own? Given we're not, it's not hard at all to meet 'em halfway.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 07:28 (eighteen years ago)

meet 'em halfway, across the sky?

http://www.programme.tv/img/tele/8591.jpg

― kingfish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 07:43 (eighteen years ago)

I still maintain that a separate board for site suggestions/improvements/bug reports would be handy to track all this...

― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 07:49 (eighteen years ago)

Automatic logoff = dud?

― StanM, Thursday, 22 February 2007 07:56 (eighteen years ago)

i for one welcome our new style sheet overlords

― secondhandnews, Thursday, 22 February 2007 08:00 (eighteen years ago)

howto css?

― StanM, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:07 (eighteen years ago)

Hello hello hello! I negotiated the registration hurdle at last (it didn't like me yesterday, but today I have been given the SPECIAL GOLDEN KEY and have made it in here, hurrah!)

Thanks to everyone who has put in so much hard work to get this place up and running. I feel like we should all have a big celebration party or something :)

― C J, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:14 (eighteen years ago)

Oooh, is the new answers stylesheet new? It's closer together, far better. This might just be on my work computer and to my home one . . . hmmm . . .

― The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:20 (eighteen years ago)

firefox has a little plugin called 'Stylish' that lets you add your own stylesheets to any page. i use it to stop italics displaying as italics.

it wouldn't be too hard (would it?) to give people a choice of stylesheets and store it in their user preferences. but let it bed in first.

― koogs, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:24 (eighteen years ago)

Hello everyone.

This is already looking much, much better than it did during testing - seems to be robust and holding up as well. Big shout outs to Stet and Keith for sorting this.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:28 (eighteen years ago)

I'd first off like to say thanks to everyone who has worked on this, I'm not being snarky, I'm very impressed. But in terms of feature suggestions etc (bear with me if I'm being stupid and missing something obvious):

*I much preferred being sent to a Recently Asked Questions list than straight into New Answers when clicking on board links. Even if New Answers remains the default, it seems the only way to get to Recent Questions is by clicking 'More...'. It should at least be as prominent as the 'New Question' link, if not more.
*Plz to be making unread messages be remembered.

― emil.y, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:39 (eighteen years ago)

I like nu-ile. It is trippy, like when you get new glasses. Well done invisible worker bees.

― Zoe Espera, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:39 (eighteen years ago)

unimportant and possible little bug thing:

Is the question being counted as the first reply?

(new thread with one question and one answer is being listed as "2 new answers")

― StanM, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:43 (eighteen years ago)

I love it! Esp. the bit about formatting help, nice touch!

Or even...

Nice touch!!!

― Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:43 (eighteen years ago)

wow, this is fast, even on my phone! I guess my only request in that direction would be an option to only load the 100 newest msgs or whatever.

― tsg20, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:45 (eighteen years ago)

Ha, yes, having the formatting help is a VERY good idea.

― emil.y, Thursday, 22 February 2007 09:46 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah the default navigation back to New Answers instead of Recent Questions is the thing that's affecting the usability the most for me. Everything else can wait. Still, thanks for all your work.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:00 (eighteen years ago)

I always use New Answers so I like this change. It's the lack of x-post notification that's the killer for me.

― The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:01 (eighteen years ago)

welcome, but why can't i access any settings?

― Ste, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

oh and why does it bat me out of the thread after i post?

hmm

― Ste, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:03 (eighteen years ago)

How do i reclaim my own identity from before?

― Alan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:42 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks guys! I am loving the HTML notes at the bottom. Keep doing what you do so well!

― kv_nol, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

hi! thx for the hard work on the nu-ness

― weatheringdaleson, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:52 (eighteen years ago)

wow, this is fast, even on my phone! I guess my only request in that direction would be an option to only load the 100 newest msgs or whatever.

It does, it loads the first 50 and the last fifty and puts a link to the rest in the middle.

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, I miss the x-post function, too - is there any chance of that being reinstated in time?

I like the post-thread-title information about why started the thread and when it was last updated,

Welcome to the New I Love Everything! [Started by stet, last updated 5 minutes ago] 496 new answers

but could it show "last updated 5 minutes ago by (name of poster)? I'd quite like to see who was the last person to have posted on a thread, if that were possible.

― C J, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:54 (eighteen years ago)

It does, it loads the first 50 and the last fifty and puts a link to the rest in the middle.

Does it? That rules.

TSG20 = Toby, right?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 10:55 (eighteen years ago)

yes it does - it could be more obvious though! it just looks like a bit of a post at the mo

― Alan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, this looks better already! Thanks! The only thing I really miss from the old ILX is the ability to mark what posts you haven't yet read, since that was made ILX better than any other board I've seen. It's quite time-consuming to skim through a 500+ post thread every time to find out where you last left off. But if this is puts too much stress on the server, I guess I'll have to learn to live without it.

Oh yeah, the text you write in this submit box is still super small. That should be easily fixable, or is it?

― Tuomas, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

i think the answer to my first question is: let go! isn't it? :-(

display names RIP. they were much loved

― Alan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:01 (eighteen years ago)

ppl complaining about the appearance: dud. it was all plain HTML entitities before (blockquote and the like) so appearance was down to whichever rubbish browser you were using.

― Alan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:02 (eighteen years ago)

The appearance has been changed considerably since it first went live Alan - it looks much better than it did a few hours ago.

(Old ILX always looked the same to me, whichever browser I was using).

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:04 (eighteen years ago)

but could it show "last updated 5 minutes ago by (name of poster)? I'd quite like to see who was the last person to have posted on a thread, if that were possible

that's a good call, that is. it means i'd know whether or not to switch on my mental killfile.

Yeah the default navigation back to New Answers instead of Recent Questions is the thing that's affecting the usability the most for me

this whole process has been a fascinating insight into how other people use ILX; i don't think i even know what "recent questions" is. now i feel i've spent the past two and a half years missing out.

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:04 (eighteen years ago)

(ok matt!) recent questions was always little used - you were not missing out, and that anyone went there by default surprises me imust say.

going straight back to new answers once a response posted is odd. but i think it's a nice simplifying step.

― Alan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:09 (eighteen years ago)

Recent Questions was the actual main ILE page, the first one it goes to, where you can see which order questions were posted etc. I used it a fair bit, in conjunction with New Answers.

I'll get used to it I suppose.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:12 (eighteen years ago)

Testing! (Feel free to delete once I've seen how it looks in New Answers)

― Fred Nerk, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:16 (eighteen years ago)

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:35 (eighteen years ago)

will the log-in thing and the bookmarks be resolved eventually?

i never knew about recent questions either!

― lex pretend, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:37 (eighteen years ago)

For the first 2 months of ILE I did not know about new answers.

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not experiencing any problems at all. How fortunate!

― blueski, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:38 (eighteen years ago)

will the log-in thing and the bookmarks be resolved eventually?

there are many issues that will be addressed; stet has posted to this effect upthread, but i appreciate people might be missing some of the details as this gets ever more unwieldy.

to recap: the key thing here was to get new, stable code up and running on the proper ILX server, as opposed to having to rely on the sandbox (which, trust me, wasn't going to hold out much longer: i know, i have a stake in thehold.net). the original plan had been to persevere with the old code on the new server a little longer, but certain - okay, one - person's, er, "helpful raising of security issues" put paid to that.

so nu-ILX is still a work in progress. i mean, the design has already changed substantially in the past 12 hours or so, and there are other functionality issues that will be addressed. i think keith was planning to run polls to find out what people feel is most pressing. i mean, i desperately miss the xpost warning and the "later" link, but i appreciate that these might not be priorities for others.

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:44 (eighteen years ago)

it does look a lot better

― RJG, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:46 (eighteen years ago)

I think you should delete the sandbox now and see how many of the 'I'm never posting again, this sucks' brigade will actually put their money where their mouth is.

(Actually, maybe not, seeing as some of them are people I would quite like to stop posting)

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:48 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, the bookmarks thing is clearly just how i used old-ilx, i would've thought "staying logged in" was a fairly basic thing though! but i'm sure it'll be fine in the end

― lex pretend, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:48 (eighteen years ago)

First thing I want back = links to all the previous months of ILX down the bottom of the Recent Questions page.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:49 (eighteen years ago)

i look forward to the return of image URLs display'd

― blueski, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:50 (eighteen years ago)

I look forward to the wrath of our Scottish lizard overlords.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:50 (eighteen years ago)

Lex, keep different boards open in different tabs, or at bookmark buttons to your browser for them

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:53 (eighteen years ago)

Not displaying email addresses is really good actually, I approve.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

OK, after Kerr's texts last night, I thought nu-ILX was going to be awful, but actually it's quite nice!

Well done, programmer monkeys!

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:55 (eighteen years ago)

OOh, blog view would be nice to have back at some point. But I can live without it for now.

::kisses ILX::

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:56 (eighteen years ago)

supposed my only appearance issue is the byline which I think an unitalicised and indented arrangement, like in the olden days, would help define, etcs, you know:

-- RJG

and, I guess, horizontals above and below the new answers/new questions/boards/etcs links and them all on the same line and below the response box and just more horizontal lines, in general, haha

just cataloguing my views

well done, again, keith, stet & the rest of the team

― RJG, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:58 (eighteen years ago)

People actually used Blog View?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 11:58 (eighteen years ago)

long ago there used to be a thingy on new answers where the [9 new answers] bit showed in deeper and deeper red depending on how many new answers there were*

can we re-instutute this except it shows cross people are getting on the thread?

*(actually i can't remember what it demonstrated, only that it got redder)

― mark s, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:01 (eighteen years ago)

I have my first teeny-tiny quibble!

On the login page, you should move the "I've forgotten my password" down below the password box. (So that pressing tab after you've put yr email in takes you straight into password entry).

Told you it was teeny-tiny.

― Groke, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:03 (eighteen years ago)

God, I loved blog view! It was a great way to get an idea of what was going on in various threads before you actually opened them.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:04 (eighteen years ago)

yes i always used blog view

― mark s, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

That's why I wouldn't touch it with a bargepole, I'd hate the idea of bits of some terrible thread popping up before my eyes.

(I quite like knowing that the previous post was made 24 seconds ago - is this a new feature or just one I'd never turned on in Old ILX).

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

i prefer the time option, at least then i knew when i'd refreshed a page. this is confusing.

― Ste, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:09 (eighteen years ago)

how do you know whether your logged in or out?

― Ste, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:17 (eighteen years ago)

I seem to have to log in every time I want to post something.

― C J, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

i hate using the html code as i don't know where to find those brackets (?) on my apple comp. :-(

― nathalie, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

Well, it only took 15 hours and a rough night where I saw people complaining about stylesheets in my dreams before someone asked for Blog View back. Dere god.

To answer a couple of things:
Ed: That's a bit worrying, and worth investigating.

The logout thing: it's because of security, which has to be "grade A++++++ would find crackz with agane" as you know. The software we're using to server this stuff (Tomcat) gives you a lot of security work for free, so long as you use its built-in session support. Each session uses up memory on the server, so they have to be recycled fairly often.

Right now it's set at 30 minutes. We can look at that amount of time in the future, but it won't ever be back to the halcyon days of never logging in. I bloody hate signing in to things (my Yahoo ID is some version of fucinstayloggedin or that) but it's not too bad on this. If you write a post while logged out, it will ask you for your password and then post it. You don't have to retype.

The control links at top and bottom, yeh, could be different. The code for returning to a thread after posting existed in an earlier version, so that's just a case of persuading Keith to undo some hard work.

The only thing in the last 100 posts that's going to get any prompt-o action though, is Ed's cache problem, cos that's a worry, although it doesn't seem to be losing any posts, right?

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:19 (eighteen years ago)

It doesn't seem to be loosing any posts. Next time it happens, or appears to I will try and note the time and thread.

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:21 (eighteen years ago)

i hate using the html code as i don't know where to find those brackets (?) on my apple comp

???

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

Stet it's definitely logging me out more regularly than every 30mins. Maybe every 5 or 10?

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

i'm trying, with every fibre of my being, not to be sarcastic enough to say: "on the keyboard".

oh, damn.

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:22 (eighteen years ago)

I know, I'm dumb. I mean those square type brackets. I really don't know where they are on my Apple keyboard. :-(

― nathalie, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

Can we have it so the "login" button disappears when you're logged-in, and the "logout" one disappers when you're not? It's not only needless it's also confusing.

― Dom Passantino, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:23 (eighteen years ago)

i'm not getting logged out at all. weird.

― blueski, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:24 (eighteen years ago)

It is possible that I am being confused by the relative time on the new answers page. I am guess that is cached until it actually changes; so '26 seconds ago' refers to 26 seconds since last cached rather than since I last loaded the page. In which case, could we have absolute rather than relative time on 'New answers'

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:25 (eighteen years ago)

On my apple, they're lower case to the right of the letter "p", nath. Does that help?

― C J, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:26 (eighteen years ago)

Post a pic of your keyboard and we'll help!

(Oh shit, you can't do this without square brackets)

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:28 (eighteen years ago)

on mine the little arrow which changes its mind what direction it points has decided to point straight at the square brackets

― mark s, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:30 (eighteen years ago)

You're on an azerty keyboard, nathelie? I can find nothing on the interneet that says where the square brackets should be.

If you turn on the keyboard viewer in System Preferences/International/Input Menu, you ought to be able to find out where they are hiding.

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:32 (eighteen years ago)

Found it Shift+Alt+( and Shift+Alt+)

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:34 (eighteen years ago)

Or copy and paste?

― Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:41 (eighteen years ago)

One other thing...

HI DERE.

Ned Raggett on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:24 PM (Yesterday)

How did he get here so quickly?

― Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:44 (eighteen years ago)

(A few of us, ie mods, had been playing around with it for a while beforehand, to see if it worked)

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

(Ned was one of them, obv)

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

Sorry, I'm a bit lost. Is there a "click on a thread and it goes to the first unread post" function?

xpost and later are things I'd really like to see again.

― Mark C, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, but you need to be logged in, Mark.

Ken: I just deleted that poll. This isn't the time for it. We'll run an official one once stuff settles doewn.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)

Okay, it seems to be working, stet, though just now it took me to my previous unread place rather than current. Cheers!

― Mark C, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:53 (eighteen years ago)

I am really liking ILE. I'm glad nobody can see my e-mail address. I like the navigation links at the top and bottom. I like the formatting tips and simpler coding options. I like the poll function. I like knowing that whatever security issues and other problems there were (mostly invisible to me but I believe they existed) have been patched up. Anyway, thanks again!

― Maria :D, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:53 (eighteen years ago)

the thing that makes things slightly less clear is the absence of an "Unread Messages" bit and more horizontal lines

― RJG, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:54 (eighteen years ago)

lol ok re: poll

― ken c, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:55 (eighteen years ago)

does the #unread anchor vanish if yr not logged in? (it's not jumping to the foot of the thread for me after a set time)

― Alan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

from that, it seems the answer is yes

― Alan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

Yes, it keeps track via yr login

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

yeah there's enough anchors on this site as it is

― ken c, Thursday, 22 February 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)

Wanchors

― Alan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:00 (eighteen years ago)

man he's quick...

― Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:01 (eighteen years ago)

Oh - I see there's not a 'these posts got in before you' in this, so I should have put xpost 'cos I wsa referring to ken not sarcastically to alan!

― Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:02 (eighteen years ago)

You're on an azerty keyboard, nathelie? I can find nothing on the interneet that says where the square brackets should be.

WTF WOULD THEY MOVE THE BRACKETS ON AN AZERTY KEYBOARD?

sorry, nath; i apologise unreservedly.

that's absurd. what do you have between "p" and "return", then?

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:03 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks for new ILE guys!

Search: It works! It's fast! And srsly, most other things are just a question of getting used to it.
Destroy: Ok I don't mind my login timing out I guess but I WOULD like to know WHEN I am logged out, so I can log in before clicking on a thread and know it will take me to unread messages.

― Archel, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:05 (eighteen years ago)

^ and $

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:05 (eighteen years ago)

I like the big red NSFW warning.

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:11 (eighteen years ago)

It makes everything else on the page red, too, though.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:12 (eighteen years ago)

on what browser, Kate?

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

Oh, it's a missing

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:13 (eighteen years ago)

just throwing a ner in the works

― ken c, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

sending love <3 is so much easier now!!!!!!!!!!

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

― ken c, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:18 (eighteen years ago)

is there a features request thread yet while the iron is still hot?

― ken c, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

or are we too late for that

― ken c, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:19 (eighteen years ago)

or indeed too early

― ken c, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:20 (eighteen years ago)

too early, fella

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

Common or garden Internet Explorer. I know I am the last person on ILX using this, but it's not my fault, it's Citrixed.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:21 (eighteen years ago)

hey, i'm stuck using it too at work.

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:26 (eighteen years ago)

I like the big red NSFW warning

haven't seen this yet. link?

― grimly fiendish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

look down the ile new answers

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:28 (eighteen years ago)

scroll down new answers.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:29 (eighteen years ago)

you see we need that xpost thingy!

― Ned Trifle II, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:30 (eighteen years ago)

You're on an azerty keyboard, nathelie? I can find nothing on the interneet that says where the square brackets should be.

WTF WOULD THEY MOVE THE BRACKETS ON AN AZERTY KEYBOARD?

sorry, nath; i apologise unreservedly.

that's absurd. what do you have between "p" and "return", then?

Well, I ain't got the brackets there, that's for sure. I found'em: I have to press alt and then they are under the six and 9, I think. Can't be bothered to press three keys so will do the copy and paste thing.

Like Ed said, I have ^and $.

― nathalie, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:37 (eighteen years ago)

and another thing about the autologout is that you lose your "no images" setting too of course

― Alan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:42 (eighteen years ago)

testing

― GHEEEEEEEEEEE, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

see what i meant about shitty user name? i really chose a bad one.

― GHEEEEEEEEEEE, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

I know, you left a Y off the end.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:50 (eighteen years ago)

Now some of the "Started by user X Y hours ago" texts have turned red, what's up with that?

― Tuomas, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:52 (eighteen years ago)

It's a temporary glitch to do with one of the threads being marked NSFW.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

Based upon what I've read, I know that the the server side "unread answers" feature is never coming back ('sob' :-( ). But is it technically possible for some wonderful soul with way more skillz than myself might be able to emulate that same function in a browser-side greasemonkey script? 'Cause if it is, that'd be wikkedawesome.

― J, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

It looks funky!

― Tuomas, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:53 (eighteen years ago)

I can not log in!!!!

― jel --, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

Sterling Clover already said he'd work on the Greasemonkey script for unread messages.
Getting killfiles to work, now, maybe I can have a crack at it.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:57 (eighteen years ago)

Oh I did log in!

Where are the new questions?

― jel --, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:58 (eighteen years ago)

Based upon what I've read, I know that the the server side "unread answers" feature is never coming back ('sob' :-( ).

It's already there! It just doesn't say "Unread Answers" (yet), and you have to be logged in.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

AHA!

― J, Thursday, 22 February 2007 13:59 (eighteen years ago)

Where are the new questions?

Under More..., and then recent questions.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

Jel - click 'More' then 'Recent Questions'. Could really do with being a bit more prominent. I'm not sure why we need a 'More' option in the first place really.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:00 (eighteen years ago)

to hide away links that cause server load. New Answers = little load. Recent Questions = load.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

Does it go away when you're logged out, though?

― J, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

('cause that would make Sterling's script still supafuseful. Thanks Sterling and Tom for stepping up!)

― J, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

It does, ye.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:02 (eighteen years ago)

I figured it had to.

And thanks, Stet, and Keith, and Pash, and all others involved in the migration. Thankless job and all that.

― J, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, what J said, especially regarding thanx - after the initial FONT / spacing shock (which I kept my mouth shut about - my vast experience in getting shouted @ for my own thankless IT work trained me well!), this is looking pretty swank.

One stupid question from the plebe section - how would adding (to the New Answers page) the ID of who posted last to each thread FUBAR performance?

― David R., Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

let's not overrate a bunch of knee-jerk bitching as anything more than a poorly-expressed desire to make the damn board as usable as possible. additionally, there are plenty of us who would be happy to help but have no immediate way to do so: no coding skills or money to send.

OTM.

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:16 (eighteen years ago)

IF anyone has a spare ultrasparc t1000 server they don't happen to be using right now...

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

oh my, this is very confusing.

― tissp, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:27 (eighteen years ago)

if someone has loads of cute kitten photos they can post in a thread that would help

― ken c, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:29 (eighteen years ago)

I apologize to anyone who felt yelled at yesterday. I was really just trying to answer questions and deflect some of the criticism from keith, stet, et. al. I felt for them and can empathize when it comes to non-tech users lack of understanding seeming like ungratefulness. welcome to my daily life where need for employment forces me to constantly bite my tongue.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:30 (eighteen years ago)

It was really appreciated, Ms Misery!

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

Did someone change the spacing or have I already gotten used to this? It was weird at first but it looks nice to me now. Thank you, ILX Magicians. I like it here a lot.

― Jenny, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)

It's been changed.

I like how you click on a thread and it directs you straight to the newest answers. ILX hasn't done that for me for a couple of years.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:38 (eighteen years ago)

It doesn't do that for me at all :(

― tissp, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:40 (eighteen years ago)

Matt OTM

― blueski, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:42 (eighteen years ago)

It went away for about a month and then it came back.

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

It's been spotty for me - threads I've already visited today are fine, but threads I visited yesterday (before I shut off my PC) don't work, I don't think.

― David R., Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:43 (eighteen years ago)

matt, it totally did do that if you had the option for it ticked. for a while the function was completely removed and everyone's option for it turned off, but then i put the function back in and told everyone they could retick it.

― Alan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:44 (eighteen years ago)

Here is a dumb BBCode question: Is there a version number of something of the BBCode for this board? I have the super clever Firefox extension BBCode Extra installed but the BBCode that inserts is different from what is listed below (img instead of image, url=blahblah.html instead of link). I'd like to wrangle up an extension that handles this version of BBCode to save myself the tedium of awesome post formatting but I am not sure what I'm looking for.

― Jenny, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)

it's not realactual bbcode

― Alan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:48 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.veselo.info/images/photo/2005/cats/sleepy-kitten.jpg

― Jenny, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:53 (eighteen years ago)

Just kidding I luv u guyz.

― Jenny, Thursday, 22 February 2007 14:54 (eighteen years ago)

It's already there! It just doesn't say "Unread Answers" (yet), and you have to be logged in.

I don't get it... How does it know which was the last post I read if I don't have to click anything?

― Tuomas, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)

artificial intelligence

― RJG, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)

thank god i saved the kittens on my flickr page.

― nathalie, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

MAGIC, Tuomas!

Re: the "bookmark" issue @ the top of the page - would there be a way to address that using the customized CSS? Like, if an area on each page was designated as PersonalBookmark or some such thing, & we could put in our own links?

― David R., Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:19 (eighteen years ago)

Skipping 525 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Woahhhhhhh....LJ-cuts on ILX? You're freakin' me out maaaaaaan. For a second I thought my posts last night had been deemed too controversial and purged from the historical record.

― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)

nath:

cats here

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)

maximum time I stay logged in appears to be about 80 minutes

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)

Oh wow,thank Sam! My friend's gonna MELT

― nathalie, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

Skipping 525 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

Where does that appear? I haven't seen this yet.

― baaderonixx, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)

Nu-ILX displays the first 50 posts and the last 50 posts by default, the message above appears as a link in the midst of the two halves so you can read the whole thread.

― treefell, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:47 (eighteen years ago)

HTTP Status 404 - /ILX/j_security_check

type Status report

message /ILX/j_security_check

description The requested resource (/ILX/j_security_check) is not available.
Apache Tomcat/5.5.20

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

HTTP Status 404 - /ILX/j_security_check

type Status report

message /ILX/j_security_check

description The requested resource (/ILX/j_security_check) is not available.
Apache Tomcat/5.5.20

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:57 (eighteen years ago)

HTTP Status 404 - /ILX/j_security_check

type Status report

message /ILX/j_security_check

description The requested resource (/ILX/j_security_check) is not available.
Apache Tomcat/5.5.20

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 22 February 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

that's not good

― Alan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

Nu-ILX displays the first 50 posts and the last 50 posts by default, the message above appears as a link in the midst of the two halves so you can read the whole thread.

i like this

― blueski, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:02 (eighteen years ago)

Nu-ILX displays the first 50 posts and the last 50 posts by default, the message above appears as a link in the midst of the two halves so you can read the whole thread.

Didn't someone say that it was hidden in the middle because they didn't actually want too many people clicking on it, as in it might overload the server or something? I hope that that's temporary. On large threads, it's rare that I'll want to see the first 50 posts at all once we've gotten to 500.

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:03 (eighteen years ago)

i will now entertain the concept of threadpost capping

― blueski, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

Not staying logged in = pics re-appearing = no more ilx at work = :-(

― Jaq, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:05 (eighteen years ago)

Skipping 525 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.

I missed this when I came back to the thread and I missed a good number of posts. Will this be standard on longer threads? If so, can it be made to stand out a little more to make re-joining a thread easier?

Also, the spacing is much better. Thanks.

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:11 (eighteen years ago)

How can I tell whether I'm logged in?

― eater, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:27 (eighteen years ago)

*random thread button
Do lots of people use this? I could write a javascript bookmarklet that would do somethign similar

Not sure if there are a lot of us, but us randomizers are a noisy bunch. I would like to add it to the feature request list.

― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)

I love Random. I loved all the little extra features. The blog view, the statscock, the Randomiser.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)

i think ilx2 should go Web 2.0 by having those freaky smileys like on gmail chat

― ken c, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:33 (eighteen years ago)

I like 'random' too.

― Michael White, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)

Oh yeh, statscock! Okay, low down on the list, but still . . .

― The Wayward Johnny B, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:41 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, don't bring back the statscock. I hate seeing how much of my life I have wasted in this place.

― Masonic Boom, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks for fixing the columns on the new answers page. I'm still being forced to log in for every post, tho.

― kingfish, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

[img]http://www.timbuktunes.com/covers/cover-731454337922.jpg[/img]

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

http://www.timbuktunes.com/covers/cover-731454337922.jpg

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:53 (eighteen years ago)

I mean, how are you all reading this in Times when this is what I'm seeing right now?

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/2149/ile1au6.jpg

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

And I'm assuming that there's some of image-shrinker in effect here.

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:58 (eighteen years ago)

Shift+reload, clear the CSS cache. (I read in helvetica)

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

I have my default browser font set to arial so I don't see times. also I think img resize is a browser thing.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 16:59 (eighteen years ago)

I would like a back to 1994 grey background.

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

the images here are limited to a certain size. take a look at the style sheet!

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:03 (eighteen years ago)

The next thing to do is to futz with the html elements generated on each page

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:06 (eighteen years ago)

I'm not a fan of the italicized post info -- does anyone like it?

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:07 (eighteen years ago)

I have never considered limiting img size in css. that is a new thing for me.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

i'm already getting used to this. less than a day later. i can really get used to anything. sadly, i was kinda hoping that i would hate it so much that i would go away and get a life or something. i don't think that's gonna happen. you are stuck with me. it was just jarring is all. a shock to the system. and i don't really know stet and keith from ilx so it was kinda like people i don't know saying here's your new thing! surprise! and i bristled. but i'm better, really. ned, i understand your anger at ingrates, but i would give the ingrates a week or so. i think it was just seperation anxiety. anyway, thanks you guys. it couldn't have been easy and you are probably nuts for taking it on.

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)

really, though, the lack of x-post thing is driving me the most nuts.

― scott seward, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:09 (eighteen years ago)

Things are a little bit over to the right, for me.

― tissp, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

(not politically)

― tissp, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:13 (eighteen years ago)

img {
max-width:85%;
max-height:800px;
border: .1em solid;
clear: none;
float: none;
}

― Alan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

This logging out after 30 minutes sucks ass.

― Alex Forgot His Email Address in SF, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:17 (eighteen years ago)

really, though, the lack of x-post thing is driving me the most nuts.

OTM

― Michael White, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

Also I don't like that when you submit a response it throws me to new answers rather than back to the thread.

― Alex Forgot His Email Address in SF, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:18 (eighteen years ago)

xxxpost
yes I viewed the css and felt dumb that I never thought of doing that. However it's not really a need or a want in my job since we don't have users posting content at will. We keep them pretty locked down.

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

mummy i'm scared...

― CharlieNo4, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:23 (eighteen years ago)

oi
hi, every1
looks diffrnt
will get used to, i suppose

― t**t, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:28 (eighteen years ago)

A note to the coders:

Sometimes threads seem to be getting stuck in the cache. A thread will rise in new answers but when you click on the thread there are no new answers, then shortly after you will get all of the new answers. Not too much of a problem, but it might provide some insight into what's happening under load.

I don't think this is the case, I think it's me and possibly others inserting posts and then deleting them for test purposes. That's certainly what I'm doing occassionally.

― Keith, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:30 (eighteen years ago)

With all the other code streamlining and less hammering on the database, couldn't we have 8-hour or 12-hour cookies instead of .5-hour cookies? And an xpost notifier. PLEEZE.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 17:31 (eighteen years ago)

Nice work guys. Like the speed of loading very much, will check it out on my pda later, hopefully will work equally quickly.

If we can't register for individual boards as per old ilx can we have a rejig on the top toolbar to have the most widely used boards as a default i.e (ILM/ILE/ILC/Mod req/Other Boards)?

― Billy Dods, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:01 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks for the changes, dudes.

Can we center the horizontal dividing lines that show up between posts? And will there eventually be preferences so we can cantrol whether the date/time data shows up or not?

― Jordan, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

I'm getting a horizontal scrollbar regardless of the size of my window in Firefox 2.0/Mac. The scrollbar disappears in Safari (although, as others have said, everything is shifted over to the right a little). I haven't looked at the CSS in detail, but I'm guessing something is going wrong with your width: 100%s and your margin-left != 0s. If Tombot gets sick of hacking at the CSS or needs a second opintion then I'm happy to have a look.

Also, -1 (actually, -1e6) for changing the input from HTML to bulletin board code, unless this makes things substantially easier for validation, etc. In which case, have at it!

Otherwise, great start! Thanks for all the hard work!

― caek, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:36 (eighteen years ago)

And it's so much faster!

― caek, Thursday, 22 February 2007 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

Can we have back "last modified at xx:xx" instead of "last modified xx minutes ago"? It's a lot easier to figure out which threads have new posts (since I got up from my computer) by remembering a single timestamp than trying to remember dozens of "xx new answers" numbers.

― Rock Hardy, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:04 (eighteen years ago)

Can I have admin on my board?

― Jonathan Williams, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

This logging out after 30 minutes sucks ass.

Is that what the problem is? It's very annoying and makes me not want to bother.

― Nicole, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

I don't think anyone's got any priveleges on anything yet - I certainly haven't.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:15 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, mod stuff isn't available for anyone yet.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:19 (eighteen years ago)

Just another note:

The horizontal lines don't show up on the blackberry. Otherwise, formatting is a'ok.

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:22 (eighteen years ago)

are they actually hr's or are they css borders?

― blueski, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

Ken c may have inadvertently solved the screen name issue. Let me run this up your flag pole and see if you salute.

Put the screen names and/or ' spoof mail addy' boxes back and have them write to a cookie rather than the db. When you post the screen name and address are written as part of the message, rather like a signature. Formatting can take care of making it look like old ilx.

No idea if that works but feel free to pick holes in it.

--Ed (dali@zero...)

― Ed, Thursday, 22 February 2007 19:40 (eighteen years ago)

I sent off formatting updates to the java templates and a last revision of my CSS to Allan, but he can't implement them yet. I might end up revising my stupid stylesheet yet again, these menu buttons are a bit of a chore.
at any rate the HR's are in fact html HR's but modified in the CSS. I changed them back to normal HR's with the 300px width from old ILX and took the line break out of the menubar.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 22 February 2007 20:00 (eighteen years ago)

hi, this is me trying to post to nu-ILX.

is it working?

― grady, Thursday, 22 February 2007 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

looks like it.

i still cant get to ILX II through my main computer though.

― grady, Thursday, 22 February 2007 20:04 (eighteen years ago)

― Penelope, Thursday, 22 February 2007 20:18 (eighteen years ago)

hello, I in now.

― Mark G, Thursday, 22 February 2007 22:11 (eighteen years ago)

what menu buttons tom? do you mean the navigation?

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 February 2007 22:13 (eighteen years ago)

Could you make it easier to find that "Skipping XXX messages..." link?

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 22 February 2007 22:35 (eighteen years ago)

yes but you must wait

― chaki, Thursday, 22 February 2007 22:37 (eighteen years ago)

a big thank you to everyone who worked on this, i have no complaints about a board i did not build.

― estela, Thursday, 22 February 2007 22:40 (eighteen years ago)

I have complaints about the board you built, however.

― G00blar, Thursday, 22 February 2007 22:43 (eighteen years ago)

I'm glad to see spencer back! :D

― teeny, Thursday, 22 February 2007 22:48 (eighteen years ago)

locked user "gooblar" from my clever board.

― estela, Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:03 (eighteen years ago)

stilll hatin the 2in of white area for a two word post and lines between each post - my scroll finger is dead after reading 4 posts what the heck do we do when there are 400??!!! and the timed logout every 1/2 half hour and the xpost and the....is all this really needed?

― Wiggy Woo, Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:20 (eighteen years ago)

The distance between posts is the same as in old ILX now. Are you definitely using the new stylesheet? (Shift-reload) I'm also looking at Tom's new stylesheet, which should be even more ilxy.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:24 (eighteen years ago)

The FAQ will be perfect for you.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:27 (eighteen years ago)

(xpost, of course!)

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:27 (eighteen years ago)

Umm, I hate to be picky here, but:

There's no "PaperThinWalls" link and I'd hate the sponsor to pull out and that.

― Mark G, Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:32 (eighteen years ago)

Umm, I hate to be picky here, but:

There's no "PaperThinWalls" link and I'd hate the sponsor to pull out and that.

― Mark G, Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:32 (eighteen years ago)

Tom's sorted that.

― .stet., Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:33 (eighteen years ago)

Good. Maybe his surname won't show up there either.

― Pleasant Plains, Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:40 (eighteen years ago)

I find that the italics draw too much away from the actual text of the post. something that would really help would be (re)adding the two dashes before the persons name.

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:49 (eighteen years ago)

one more vote for the -- here!!

― chaki, Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:52 (eighteen years ago)

and another

― s1ocki, Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:54 (eighteen years ago)

Whoa! All hail me : First new thread to be locked!

(fair enough)

― Mark G, Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:57 (eighteen years ago)

I was going to mention the "--". Really helps keeps things organized.

― Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 22 February 2007 23:59 (eighteen years ago)

yes, have done the new stylesheet boot
and with the others who say -- name of poster cuz the italics take attention away from the posted text; and while we're at it, does the poster's name have to be in bright blue?

― Wiggy Woo, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:00 (eighteen years ago)

fucking hell

― blueski, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:05 (eighteen years ago)

wonderful

― tremendoid, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:06 (eighteen years ago)

the thing is, 'we' aren't 'at it', so maybe 'we' just need to be a bit patient and grateful.

― estela, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:09 (eighteen years ago)

Estela OTMFM

― Mark C, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:29 (eighteen years ago)

plz to put a div tag around the formatting help section so I can screw with it in my custom stylesheet

― mh, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:30 (eighteen years ago)

Also, can an admin change my name to JW. It was HSTENCIL JR but I'd rather not have my name shit everywhere

― Jonathan Williams, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:44 (eighteen years ago)

ha i like "THIS SUCKS MODS" and then "PLZ HELP MODS"

― max, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:46 (eighteen years ago)

But you have the lesat googleable name of all haHA!

― nickalicious, Friday, 23 February 2007 00:46 (eighteen years ago)

Actually my name is very high on google results

― Jonathan Williams, Friday, 23 February 2007 01:13 (eighteen years ago)

can't wait 'til estela posts again

― RJG, Friday, 23 February 2007 01:45 (eighteen years ago)

CONSEQUENCE OF JOINING THE BLOGOSPHERE. xpost

All that comes up when my name is googled is like a 1000000 geneaology records.

― jessie monster, Friday, 23 February 2007 01:47 (eighteen years ago)

my name is the same a statistic for CD burners (m4x r34d as in "m4x r34d speed") so there about 90 of those before you get to anything that actually involves me.

― max, Friday, 23 February 2007 01:53 (eighteen years ago)

I'm quite sad about the loss of blog view. I liked being able to scroll down through posts without having to click on each and every link. Oh well.

― Arethusa, Friday, 23 February 2007 02:05 (eighteen years ago)

the thing is, 'we' aren't 'at it', so maybe 'we' just need to be a bit patient and grateful.

Making suggestions != being impatient and ungrateful.

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 23 February 2007 02:19 (eighteen years ago)

Thank you, you guys! I had an open link that went straight from old to sandbox to nu - and it took me two seconds to register.
You have done wonderful things keeping this alive and well, and I really, truly thank you for keeping MY personal amount of wasted time on the internet much more entertaining. ilxoxo - aimurchie

― aimurchie, Friday, 23 February 2007 03:02 (eighteen years ago)

i feel so ashamed.

― estela, Friday, 23 February 2007 03:10 (eighteen years ago)

i think i'm the first person to declare that i miss the visible "email address" that you could fill with anything you want. without avatars (and hell no do any of us want them) it gave a pretty good way for showing a little more personality, a little more identity with your name. just the login name here feels so... naked.

― modestmickey, Friday, 23 February 2007 03:13 (eighteen years ago)

but anyways, bitch bitch bitch moan moan moan, etc. all due thanks for the diligent work on ilx.

― modestmickey, Friday, 23 February 2007 03:13 (eighteen years ago)

Hi guys, I like all of you!

― Abbott, Friday, 23 February 2007 03:36 (eighteen years ago)

it works really well! i just posted a long thing about squid = therefore i am happy!

― aimurchie, Friday, 23 February 2007 04:03 (eighteen years ago)

Is blog view gone forever? (and here I was hoping the rss feed would come back...) :(

― jesse, Friday, 23 February 2007 04:32 (eighteen years ago)

i'm already unhappy with my username

― gbx, Friday, 23 February 2007 04:38 (eighteen years ago)

thanks for your help, stet

― jeff, Friday, 23 February 2007 04:47 (eighteen years ago)

wait, do i have to re-login every time i close out the window?????

― gbx, Friday, 23 February 2007 04:56 (eighteen years ago)

I'm getting a horizontal scrollbar regardless of the size of my window in Firefox 2.0/Mac.

Yeah, this happens with me too, on Firefox.

― Tuomas, Friday, 23 February 2007 06:05 (eighteen years ago)

i think i'm the first person to declare that i miss the visible "email address" that you could fill with anything you want.

um, I said that about a million posts ago. Maybe it was somewhere else.

Good work on the stylesheet, dudes. Though I'll back up x 1000 my preference for - - instead of italics.

― ailsa, Friday, 23 February 2007 08:29 (eighteen years ago)

I am glad you posted, again, estela

― RJG, Friday, 23 February 2007 09:15 (eighteen years ago)

test

― SeekAltRoute, Friday, 23 February 2007 10:11 (eighteen years ago)

It is SOOOOOOO fast. I am loving the fastness today. And the fact that you can pound "refresh" ten times in a minute without getting the poxy fule.

When you're done, can you come and sort out my databases for us? (We will pay you.)

― Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 10:49 (eighteen years ago)

― the next grozart, Friday, 23 February 2007 10:50 (eighteen years ago)

Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:57 PM (Yesterday)
Thursday, February 22, 2007 11:27 PM (Yesterday)

Every day is like yesterday.

― onimo, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:17 (eighteen years ago)

i agree with the "two dashes" proselytes, although it could be even swankier with a 

it's funny writing here in this box and having it not be some courier/typewriter font! i think this is actually how it used to be on planet greenspun

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:27 (eighteen years ago)

agh escape characters do not work??! >:(

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

It is SOOOOOOO fast

Not for me :(

Sorry if i've sounded like a moaning minnie, I'll construct my critisism in future more, um, constructively.

Can we shrink that I Love Everything title? It's huge! and I'm on small text settings.

― Ste, Friday, 23 February 2007 11:33 (eighteen years ago)

The ruler seems to be centred in my Firefox but not in my works IE5, just so you know.

― Ste, Friday, 23 February 2007 12:00 (eighteen years ago)

Ste: Can you explain in what way you're seeing slowness? Cos it really is screaming fast, both on the server, and on the site, The page generation times are tiny.

― .stet., Friday, 23 February 2007 13:44 (eighteen years ago)

oh it's not really slow, just no faster than previous ilx.

I could probably put this down to my works firewall/gateway which isn't fantastic for page refreshes.

don't worry about it, if everyone else says it's fast then i'm sure your servers are fine.

― Ste, Friday, 23 February 2007 13:56 (eighteen years ago)

I HAVE FIXED ALL THESE FORMATTING PROBLEMS

KEEF JUST HAS TO ISSUE THE LATEST BUILD AND THEN STET OR KEEF CAN PUT ON THE NEW STYLESHEET AND YOU SHOULD ALL BE VERY HAPPY

― TOMBOT, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:23 (eighteen years ago)

Hmm, a positive side effect. If you aren't sure whether you're logged in, just click the login link on New Answers - if you need to login, you can, and if you don't, it functions as a refresh and updates the new answers list!

― Mark C, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:32 (eighteen years ago)

Eeyore to thread.
(it is really fast. Or maybe I'm really slow. It will improve typing and zings, I think.)

― aimurchie, Friday, 23 February 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)

how soon til we don't hafta keep logging in every hour?

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:14 (eighteen years ago)

Has the fact that turning images off = blank space instead of hyperlinks been brought up yet?

― Jordan, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

yes

― TOMBOT, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

that's a feature, not a bug

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:19 (eighteen years ago)

Seriously? I thought being able to view only the images I wanted to was a great feature.

― Jordan, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:21 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't re-logged in all day. Does it only log you out if you navigate away from the page?

I keep one ILX window open in the background all the time pretty much.

― Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:24 (eighteen years ago)

I haven't re-logged in all day. Does it only log you out if you navigate away from the page?

It logs you out if you go 30 seconds without posting so you should be ok :-P

― onimo, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

Jordan, no, I was making a dig at people who post images (= me)

― Tracer Hand, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:25 (eighteen years ago)

No, not seriously. xp

― .stet., Friday, 23 February 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)

oh it's not really slow, just no faster than previous ilx.

Agreed, although I didn't think previous ILX was "slow" either -- except when it was poxyfuling -- so what do I know.

― jaymc, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:27 (eighteen years ago)

I've been playing solitaire for several hours at this point, and posting only sporadically, so that's not it. I do hit refresh at least once every half hour, though, so maybe I keep the connection that way.

― Masonic Boom, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

I think I left my sarcasm in the sandbox. :(

― Jordan, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:29 (eighteen years ago)

Sarcasm doesn't work on the internet < /gzeus >

― onimo, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:33 (eighteen years ago)

i'm wondering if, instead of the logging-in over and over thing, there was a way to do it where people could just log in once in the morning or whenever they first go on that day using that letter/number verification anti-spambot thing? would that work?

― scott seward, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:34 (eighteen years ago)

All the escape character stuff not working is security stuff to prevent people insert anything that could cause your browser to go wrong, or cause trouble in other ways.

Fast isn't really the issue; what the issue is, is that it doesn't just collapse when lots of people try to use it at once. It's hard to see how it could actually be much faster - get faster broadband perhaps? My main aim in programming all this was pretty much 'when someone posts a link to ILX on a newspaper, or the like, it doesn't immediately collapse for weeks', as it did a few months ago.

Logging out after 30 minutes inactivity is a feature and is also needed to reduce memory usage on the server. It's 15 minutes more than most websites. You can save hassle by getting your browser to remember the username/password. Others have asked about why no **** on the change password box - it's hard to reconcile this with just making it stay logged in forever when you've gone to the toilet, but no doubt this will all come out in the wash.

The logging in security is performed by Tomcat (the application server), so I have little control over how it behaves. I could write my own, but why do that when one already exists. Anyway, as I say, in a few weeks, I will put a poll together and it will dictate the order in which things are done. The actual timing of things getting done will depend on my availability.

Scott, the anti-spambot thing is heavy on server resources, so need to keep its usage to low volumes. But, in principle, it would avoid the spam that registration is needed to avoid. In practice, it's not realistic.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:50 (eighteen years ago)

You can save hassle by getting your browser to remember the username/password.

yeh this makes it not much of a problem at all.

― blueski, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)

Logging out after 30 minutes inactivity is a feature and is also needed to reduce memory usage on the server. It's 15 minutes more than most websites.

And which websites are these? I've never had this problem of being logged out right away on any website until this redesign.

― Nicole, Friday, 23 February 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)

Aha! I've found the problem there. The session cookie that's being set is expiring at the end of the session, not after 30 minutes. So although your session on the server is still live, you'll be logged out if you quit your browser (this can be just closing the last window on a PC browser).

― stet, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

has anybody said how much you guys rule?
Well, I'm going to say it again
You made it happen again!!!!!
i respect you, and I heart you. ilxoxo - Alison

― aimurchie, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:07 (eighteen years ago)

Also, I've started a rough FAQ

― stet, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:08 (eighteen years ago)

Alison, thanks... It's nice in the face of two days of criticism.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:11 (eighteen years ago)

it's all because you put that in the middle of menudisplay.java, keith, that people are giving you so much shit

― TOMBOT, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

Ha, well I obviously deserve it then!

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

fanny. i mean ffs.

― stet, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

Actually, that was when the stylesheet was the colourful one with lighting up buttons - the menu didn't fit on the whole screen. I can get rid of it when I do some more work on stuff.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:17 (eighteen years ago)

fanny. i mean ffs.

Yeah, what the f**k was I thinking. 4 months' effort and f***ed it up in about two seconds.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

I already did, I took it out in the edits I sent to Stet, if you can incorporate those in the next build
also fixed the double dash and comma style from old-ilx in the new threaddisplay

― TOMBOT, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:18 (eighteen years ago)

I can do, but I'm not sure what the comma style is... I know the -- thing.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

Keith, can you post a picture of yourself so I can update the Wikipedia entry on "thankless job"?

Thanks fer the new board, man!

I've got some thoughts on using sessions to manage user state but I'll leave that for the tech thread whenever you're ready...

― Edward III, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

Keith, a lot of the criticism is "wah, this ain't ILX like what I know ILX, you said this was ILX and it isn't". People be snippy and protective about this place - hence why people paid good money to save it rather than buggering off elsewhere.

FWIW, I'm very glad you've done it, and respect to yourself, Stet, Pashmina and everyone else involved.

Stet's FAQ is excellent, btw, and goes a long way to addressing initial concerns. Perhaps something like that at the start might have headed some of this criticism off at the pass?

(yeah yeah, stable door, horse long gone, I know)

― ailsa, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

comma instead of "on" after name

― TOMBOT, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:19 (eighteen years ago)

anyway yeah stet told me he forwarded my stuff to you to update in the SVN, I didn't feel up to checking it in from work

― TOMBOT, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:20 (eighteen years ago)

Ah OK...

Ed, cheers.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

Oh yeah, hasn't sent me the thing yet, but I'll certainly check it in.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:21 (eighteen years ago)

Nu-ILX FAQ is really great, thanks, Stet.

One thing I don't understand, though -- and this is more just for my curiosity than anything: Additionally, only a small number of ILXors made it to the sandbox, while tens of thousands were simply locked out of the real site.

How is that possible? When main ILX was down, there was a link to the sandbox on it, along with humorous cat photos.

― jaymc, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

Ailsa, I know why people are snippy; you were the first to have a pop, I think. It doesn't bother me. I've spent months mentally preparing myself for it really. It was clear that pretty much regardless of what was done, there would be a bunch of stuff like this, but as I say, I'm not bothered. I think others are more than me.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:23 (eighteen years ago)

Keith did you lose all my carefully crafted patch emails in a fit of drunken deleting then? OUTRAGE

― stet, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:27 (eighteen years ago)

I wasn't having a pop, I was making an observation or two based on things that made ILX good for me not being there. I've already qualified comments with various I'm glad you've done this, good work BUT... etc, which is more than others actually having a real go at you have done. But yeah, whatever. Sorry, all.

― ailsa, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

Ailsa, it's cool, I'm not having a pop back in case that's what you're thinking. I had a similar conversation with Simon the other night.. I was trying to explain that it's an impossible task to reconcile the views of what 17,000 people think is good about it.

A good example is: where does it go after you submit a response, to the thread, or to new answers. There's pretty much a 50-50 split on this one right now, but the individuals mostly passionately believe that it's clear their view on it is right.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:34 (eighteen years ago)

Keith did you lose all my carefully crafted patch emails in a fit of drunken deleting then? OUTRAGE

Well, I was obviously drunk so probably missed them! I'll have a look.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:35 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I had a similar conversation with him too. Perhaps you're just singling me out for being cnutish because you know me :-)

Aye, I sort of assume people use ILX the same way as I do. Is giving the option of New Answers v Back to Thread too much, as old-ILX used to do?

― ailsa, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

you = you and Simon and that was a joke because you aren't being cnutish at all really.

― ailsa, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:42 (eighteen years ago)

c-nut.com

― David R., Friday, 23 February 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

Aye, I sort of assume people use ILX the same way as I do. Is giving the option of New Answers v Back to Thread too much, as old-ILX used to do?

No! It's not! But that's the point - I had it like that for most of the development and a couple of mods said it was wrong, so I changed it, now others say it's now wrong. If I change it again, others will say it's wrong! Where do I stop!

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:47 (eighteen years ago)

everything should be as much like the old ilx as possible, interface-wise, I think that's best for encouraging acceptance

― TOMBOT, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

that's just my way of saying whoever the mods were who said the old-fashioned way of doing things was wrong, U MAD

― TOMBOT, Friday, 23 February 2007 18:52 (eighteen years ago)

How is that possible? When main ILX was down, there was a link to the sandbox on it, along with humorous cat photos.

I don't think many "regular" ilxors got lost, but a lot of lurkers certainly didn't bother, the traffic on the sandbox is a magnitude less, even stripping out people who come from google. There's also loads of people who just come for the archives.

― .stet., Friday, 23 February 2007 19:05 (eighteen years ago)

But we don't care about those people, do we?

― jaymc, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:07 (eighteen years ago)

(Whatever, I'm kind of kidding. But kind of not!)

― jaymc, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:08 (eighteen years ago)

I care for all the lurkers :) /waves at lurkers

― .stet., Friday, 23 February 2007 19:09 (eighteen years ago)

Almost 8 million hits since it was turned on 48 hours ago.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:10 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, but like 400 of those are me. :)

― Laurel, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:12 (eighteen years ago)

Grebt FAQ, Stet

― J, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:17 (eighteen years ago)

Hehe..

Incidentally, Ailsa, one thing I haven't explained is that a lot of things that have changed, really had to change for performance reasons and not having it fall over for ages reasons.

A good example is the stats thing, which, when you could click it, was pretty much a button that should have said 'make the board fall over'. In time, there will be a way to make this and other things come back, but more thought and time needs to go into them to ensure they don't threaten the board actually working. In the case of the stats, that means gathering them say once a week, writing them to some table and serving them from there, which means that the results will turn up instantaneously and with no impact to the thing working.

I had to rethink lots of things in this sort of way to ensure it always went quickly; and there's a relationship between it going quickly and being able to cope with lots of users at once.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

I think that because there is no xpost warning, users should be returned to the thread, and not the front page, after posting so they can see what happened while they were reading/composing/submitting and address it if necessary. That just seems more logical to me.

― Jenny, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

For example, this thread still loads very quickly and yet it has over 800 answers.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:18 (eighteen years ago)

I know you guys are playing catch up and have much more to offer, but I have what I believe to be a truly urgent request:

Right now, any link text that has punctuation in it is deemed 'illegal' and deleted. If it's impossible to allow punctation in link text, could we AT LEAST get a warning when a posted link is going to be declared illegal so we'll have a chance to edit it?

― Oilyrags, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:24 (eighteen years ago)

Oily,

It's right, and it'll be easier for me to sort it than warn people, but I'm going out to drink alcohol shortly, and that's more urgent!

Plus, I'd have to reboot the server for it to take effect. Right now, can you maybe mitigate the urgency by avoiding the following characters:

<> ' " ` ! { } [ ]

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:36 (eighteen years ago)

that's being addressed as well

― TOMBOT, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

What is, his unquenchable booze lust?

― .stet., Friday, 23 February 2007 19:41 (eighteen years ago)

I address that frequently.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

Put a Corona in the svn, eh?

― .stet., Friday, 23 February 2007 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

I only drink the shittiest lagers.

― Keith, Friday, 23 February 2007 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

Dudes, its not that hard to put a magic authentication cookie on the client that will start a new session.

― Jonathan Williams, Friday, 23 February 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

What we hadn't realised was the default Tomcat session cookie has no expiry set, so is deleted when you close the browser. Not problem on Mac, rubbish on PC. So even though it's set for 30 minutes, people are losing their session whenever they close their last browser window.

also homeland security

― .stet., Friday, 23 February 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 23 February 2007 20:50 (eighteen years ago)

\|/

― Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows, Friday, 23 February 2007 20:51 (eighteen years ago)

I am disappointed that there isn't a midi file of eg "Squeeze Box" by the Who whenever you load up a thread - KEITH SHOULD RESIGN. I'm willing to accept "However Much I Booze". Perhaps that is more appropriate!

Well done everyone! But yeah that expiry thing is a bit of a pain but not major. What's this upthread about it looking crazy? I was expecting it to be all PLUR!

― Sarah, Friday, 23 February 2007 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

Keith - thanks for your response to my question. It sounds like the better option is also easier - how cool (and rare) is that? Good news indeed.

― Oilyrags, Saturday, 24 February 2007 06:40 (eighteen years ago)

Hi everyone! Looks like a friendly board!

― blake, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)

Hello Blake...

― Keith, Saturday, 24 February 2007 17:20 (eighteen years ago)

Nit-picking note for the FAQ: "The old ILX code was at its limits. Originally written in 1999..."

ILE and ILM were first on [Removed Illegal Link]. Just 2 of many active boards there. Greenspun's boards were written in TCL god knows when. When we jumped ship to a new server we did so because Graham had written a PHP prototype that was very rapidly developed to imitate and then exceed the functionality of greenspun's boards. (without seeing greenspun's code BTW)

We jumped ship late 2002 http://www.ilxor.com:8080/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=8653 and that's kind of when we became ILX.

keep up the good work, all!

― Alan, Saturday, 24 February 2007 20:36 (eighteen years ago)

grr. that first link was http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/all-forums.tcl which still exists, though ILM and ILE archives seem to have been wiped from there

― Alan, Saturday, 24 February 2007 20:37 (eighteen years ago)

(i meant to add the domain 'ilxor.com' was bought in 2002)

― Alan, Saturday, 24 February 2007 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

Have you killed the sandbox?

― ailsa, Sunday, 25 February 2007 13:54 (eighteen years ago)

the sandbox was down because the host was down. unrelated to all of us.

― teeny, Sunday, 25 February 2007 15:42 (eighteen years ago)

Ah, OK.

― ailsa, Sunday, 25 February 2007 15:58 (eighteen years ago)

hey! i can get in on my work computer now.

― grady, Monday, 26 February 2007 19:02 (eighteen years ago)

Would still like to see at least a dash or two in front of the names. Also, still have to hunt for the "skipping x posts..." thing.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 08:46 (eighteen years ago)

would it be possible to have a floating thing in, like, the top/bottom right of the window, that stayed in the corner, as you scrolled, that says something like "abridged" or "expanded" depending?

― RJG, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 09:38 (eighteen years ago)

just to add to the pile - TOMBOT or whoever is maestroing the CSS details - text input in Safari in in like 8-point Times New Roman, i.e. for very very small people

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:44 (eighteen years ago)

With images turned off there's just a blank post, is there no way of having the link to the image like old ilx? that was really useful.

― Ste, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:48 (eighteen years ago)

haha also i just realised that if someone emails you via ILX, using the form, and you reply to them, your reply goes to... ilx.moderators@gmail.com!! woops

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:58 (eighteen years ago)

there's no text height spec in the CSS, so we're getting the default size for "font-family: serif;" in this here box. it does look extry small i must say. much smaller than the post sanserif :-(

― Alan, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:59 (eighteen years ago)

so hey Rodney if you're reading this i totally did reply to you, but it's sitting in the moderator's inbox!!

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 10:59 (eighteen years ago)

I checked the ilx mods gmail account and there is indeed a reply from Tracer to Rodney, as well as a reply from Tom E to Ned. I'll email Tom & tell him his mail hasn't reached its destination.

― Pashmina, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:08 (eighteen years ago)

And here I thought the photos of my secret love-child with Rodney were safe from prying eyes.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

I FIXED ALL OF IT OK

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 27 February 2007 13:45 (eighteen years ago)

Nobody seems to be commenting on this thread anymore, but for readability's sake, I am still strongly urging that a dash or two be put in front of the poster's name and that the italics be turned off.

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 1 March 2007 19:33 (eighteen years ago)

Any thought given to moving the LOGOUT link somewhere else? Like, @ the very top or bottom of the page, instead of being amidst the other links? I've clicked it 3 times today when trying to go to BOARDS. (Yeah yeah, user error, etc.)

― David R., Thursday, 1 March 2007 19:35 (eighteen years ago)

spencer, am using firefox with 'stylish' plugin that lets you set your own css. is very useful for tweaking pages you don't like the look of

my ilx stylesheet:

@namespace url(http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml);

@-moz-document domain("www.ilxor.com") {
body {font-size: 10pt !important; font-family: sans-serif !important;}
a {color:#660000 !important; text-decoration: none !important;}
a:hover {color:#660000 !important; text-decoration: underline !important;}
hr {background-color:#808080; height:1px; border:0; width:50%;}
em {font-style: normal !important; color: #909090 !important;}
em a {color: #909090 !important;}
}

the em being italics - i set it to upright font but fainter. i also muts the bright blueness of the links.

― koogs, Thursday, 1 March 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

'muts' = 'mute'

― koogs, Thursday, 1 March 2007 19:49 (eighteen years ago)

spencer I swear to god I have fixed all of this, it's just in the hopper waiting to be implemented.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 March 2007 19:51 (eighteen years ago)

Thanks Tom! I was pretty sure it was being worked on, but hadn't heard anything and didn't want it to be forgotten.

I guess the thing with making the "skipped posts" and also revives more obvious are also forthcoming?

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 1 March 2007 19:53 (eighteen years ago)

Spencer, there are unfortunately about 5 million things people have asked for and no-one prioritising them. Until that happens, and time presents itself, then things, I'm afraid will just come when they come.

Tom, your changes are checked in, and yes, we will implement at some point, but it will require some sigificant downtime of the server, since some people want stuff removed from the database and that can't easily happen while the server is up.

― Keith, Thursday, 1 March 2007 20:01 (eighteen years ago)

I know Keith I'm just trying to placate these poor people! They have NEEDS

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 March 2007 20:03 (eighteen years ago)

Sure, Tom! I understand!

― Keith, Thursday, 1 March 2007 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

And thanks for the help.

― Keith, Thursday, 1 March 2007 20:05 (eighteen years ago)

sorry to interrupt but:

dear Spencer Chow,

i need you on ILM on the mylene farmer thread!

thx,
ally

― the schef (adam schefter ha ha), Thursday, 1 March 2007 20:09 (eighteen years ago)

I volunteer to prioritize everything on everyone's behalf, because I know what's best.

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 1 March 2007 20:39 (eighteen years ago)

Good! Collect all the requirements and put them in a numbered list.

― TOMBOT, Thursday, 1 March 2007 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

I support Tracer's prioritization campaign.

― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 1 March 2007 22:50 (eighteen years ago)

So, um, are the categories still around? Also are we never going to support links that contain query strings?

― HI DERE, Friday, 2 March 2007 19:11 (eighteen years ago)

Did you fix the illegal link thing? I just put in a complex link and it works.

Many thanks to you guys.

― Ed, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 11:29 (eighteen years ago)

I think the problem was with the link text, not the URLs. People have been putting the URLs where the link text is meant to go and anything with a dodgy character such as '?' in the URL has had the illegal link police swooping down. These characters are fine if they're placed where they're meant to go.

e.g.
[ link Have you seent this ]http://fakeurl.com[ / link ]?
is fine but

[ link Have you seen this? ]http://fakeurl.com[ /link ]
is 'illegal'.

― onimo, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

[ link Have you seent this ]http://fakeurl.com[ / link ]?

― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 11:49 (eighteen years ago)

[link Have you seent this]http://fakeurl.com[/link ]?

Ah right!

― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 11:49 (eighteen years ago)

Have you seent this?

missed a space.

― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 11:50 (eighteen years ago)

Have you seen this?

― onimo, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 12:00 (eighteen years ago)

Oh wait that worked.

― onimo, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 12:00 (eighteen years ago)

Have you seen this?

― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 12:04 (eighteen years ago)

So did that!

― Mark G, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 12:05 (eighteen years ago)

Nasse-setä

― Tuomas, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

I never got an illegal link mesage. I assumed it was the link text kicking messages out as I'd posted links with what I thought were 'dodgy' (i.e. used all the time) characters in URLs.

― onimo, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

http://hitparade.ch/cdimg/mc_hammer-have_you_seen_her_s.jpg

― sanskrit, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)

[Removed Illegal Trousers]

― onimo, Wednesday, 7 March 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)

How are things?

― Spencer Chow, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

Yeah, I got an Illegal Link when I tried to say [ link Here's ] a cool article [ / link ]. It must not like apostrophes, so I just said "Here is..." instead.

― jaymc, Friday, 9 March 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

from now on all of my links are going to say "Have you seent this"

― Curt1s Stephens, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

this non xposting can lick me

― Mr. Que, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:05 (eighteen years ago)

?
hey?

― Edward III, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:10 (eighteen years ago)

CEASE! There's a place for that, and it's called HTML playground.

― stet, Friday, 9 March 2007 21:13 (eighteen years ago)

okay. I was hoping to summarize a reference post on which characters are legal/illegal in link titles. oh well.

― Edward III, Saturday, 10 March 2007 18:13 (eighteen years ago)

Still annoying to read without the dashes or indentation. I guess I'm worried people will just get used to it.

― Spencer Chow, Monday, 12 March 2007 21:07 (eighteen years ago)

I'm still sort of baffled as to why "--" makes the board any easier to read.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 09:53 (eighteen years ago)

the -- can probly be done with CSS anyways

― Alan, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:15 (eighteen years ago)

It could indeed - for conformant browsers anyway - with

.name:before
{
content: "-- ";
}

― ledge, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:30 (eighteen years ago)

oooh handy

― blueski, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:32 (eighteen years ago)

I'd like people's names to be black, not blue, and regular, not italic. The two dashes denote "the above was BY them"

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:41 (eighteen years ago)

If you a) have firefox; 2) install Stylish; and iii) create the following rule

@-moz-document domain(ilxor.com) {
.name, .date, .howlongago
{
font-style: normal;
}

.name a
{
color: #000;
text-decoration: none;
}

.name:before
{
content: "-- ";
}

}

then your dreams will come true.

Anything else?

― ledge, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 10:56 (eighteen years ago)

hr
{
width: 300px;
border: 1px inset;
}

(going by how the sandbox looks)

― ledge, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 11:00 (eighteen years ago)

edit for that last one::

hr
{
width: 300px!important;
border: 1px inset!important;
}

also

form+h3, form+h3+table /* hello could we get some classes or ids here ?!?! */
{
display:none;
}

could be useful if you find the formatting help intrusive.

― ledge, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 11:28 (eighteen years ago)

If you don't care who started threads:

/* hack due to insufficient element embraceage */
div.thread li
{
font-size: 0;
}

div.thread li a, div.thread li em
{
font-size: 12pt;
font-style: normal;
}

div.thread em:before
{
content: " (";
}

div.thread em:after
{
content: ")";
}

― ledge, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 11:39 (eighteen years ago)

V1.1 has -- and fixed-width HRs in it already.

― .stet., Tuesday, 13 March 2007 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

This will insert a visible unread messages marker. It's pretty ugly, but not much I can do about it. And I can't remember how the old one looked.

a[name=unread]
{
display: block;
width: 100%;
border-top: inset 2px;
margin-bottom: 2em;
}

a[name=unread]:after
{
content: "Unread";
}

― ledge, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 12:06 (eighteen years ago)

xp - ok, well i'm just amusing myself here pretty much.

― ledge, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 12:07 (eighteen years ago)

no, i am learning stuff.

i think there are formatting changes to be applied shortly though, so beware that all the above might break. oh, what stet said.

― koogs, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 12:14 (eighteen years ago)

ok well just one more thing</columbo>... the unread marker behaves a bit oddly, this seems to work better with it, and looks less ugly - but looks a bit daft when there are no unread messages.

a[name=unread]+div hr
{
width: 100%!important;
border-top: inset 2px;
margin-bottom: 2em;
}

a[name=unread]+div hr:after
{
content: "Unread";
}

― ledge, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 12:28 (eighteen years ago)

where's that new menu you devs were crowing about?

― lfam, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 13:38 (eighteen years ago)

It's in the dev version. Can't roll it out till it's been tested, which is going on right now.

― .stet., Tuesday, 13 March 2007 13:40 (eighteen years ago)

how do you install these... things...

― nathalie, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)

The CSS stuff? Might be better to wait for the next code update. Otherwise...

1) go here and click install
2) after restart, go to tools-->add ons and click the options button for stylish
3) "write" a new style and just paste all the following into it

@-moz-document domain(ilxor.com) {
/*post signature stuff */
.name, .date, .howlongago
{
font-style: normal;
}

.name a
{
color: #000;
text-decoration: none;
}

.name:before
{
content: "-- ";
}

/* tween-post rule */
hr
{
width: 300px!important;
border: 1px inset!important;
}

/* kill the formatting help */
form+h3, form+h3+table
{
display:none;
}

/* hide who started threads */
div.thread li
{
font-size: 0;
}

div.thread li a, div.thread li em
{
font-size: 12pt;
font-style: normal;
}

div.thread em:before
{
content: " (";
}

div.thread em:after
{
content: ")";
}

/* add visible unread marker */
a[name=unread]+div hr
{
width: 100%!important;
margin-bottom: 2em;
}

a[name=unread]+div hr:after
{
content: "Unread";
}

}

― ledge, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 13:55 (eighteen years ago)

V1.1 has -- and fixed-width HRs in it already.

YAY!

Matt, the dashes visually differentiate the body of the post from the author.

-- Spencer

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

Although it could be said that the blue and italicized text do the same, the dashes break the vertical line.

― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:37 (eighteen years ago)

What happened to Tombot's changes that were going to take care of all this annoying style stuff (dashes, italics, etc.)?

― Jordan, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:38 (eighteen years ago)

Although it could be said that the blue and italicized text do the same, the dashes break the vertical line.

Spencer Chow on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 1:37 PM (4 minutes ago)

And as you can see, the dashes matter even more when you're quoting someone.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:44 (eighteen years ago)

I hit a thread earlier that had Skipping 6 messages at this point... Click here if you want to load them all.. That's just nutty.

― Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

the skipping messages thing in the middle is BAFFLING.

― river wolf, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:49 (eighteen years ago)

Yea, please change it to the old way. Why did you guys think that you knew better than us about things?

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 18:51 (eighteen years ago)

yeah--i can understand if you want to cut down on the number of posts shown, but cut it after the original post. showing the first fifty answers every time isn't necessary.

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 21:19 (eighteen years ago)

xoxoxoxo!

― mookieproof, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 21:19 (eighteen years ago)

Why did you guys think that you knew better than us about things?

Such sweet words.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 March 2007 22:07 (eighteen years ago)

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