I have, like, no gay friends in town.

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So this one gay friend of mine is trying to set me up with another gay friend of his. I mean, sure, whatever. And he's doing this by hosting a "gay Trivial Pursuit party". Again, fine. And he says to me, "If you know any gay guys who would be interested, invite them." (Perhaps for him to hook up with? Unclear.)

So I'm telling this to my other gay friend when I realize... that's the entire list of my gay friends in town. The two of them. I have a few friends of friends who I never see on their own, and I have some friends who I haven't talked to in over a year, and things like that, but basically in my wide circle of friends in town, out of the, what, dozens, the hundred people I hang out with regularly in this city, none of them are gay.

Men. There's at least one lesbian in the group that I can think of.

Anyway. Suddenly this seems really odd. I didn't feel a lack before, but now...

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 05:22 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose there's also my friend's six-year-old (who drums for us sometimes) that my friend has suspicions (or aspirations?) about but clearly it's too soon to tell and he's just not bear-ish enough for my friend.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 05:23 (nineteen years ago)

most of my gay friends exist on the periphery of my social sphere also (with a couple of exceptions). i'm not really bothered about it, myself; are you looking to fix your situation? and does your friend's six-year-old know how to whip up a good cocktail?

a gay triv pursuit party sounds pretty fun tho! any chance to meet smart dudez is a good one

― impudent harlot, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 06:01 (nineteen years ago)

Same thing here. I have only one gay friend, and even that guy I've only hung out with once in the last year (and then for a couple of hours at a party). Sure, a couple of co-workers are gay, but other than that, nada. This was the case in the last town I lived in as well.

Come to think of it, my one gay friend has no gay male friends besides me. Most of his closest friends are straight college buddies and women. He does, however, have a husband.

I kind of think the reason for this is the same as why some straight men don't make friends with women--they consider women to be there for romance/sex/dating and men to be for friendship.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 06:02 (nineteen years ago)

(is there a handy term for when a gay man has mostly straight male friends? i thought at first it was "stag hag" but that's actually the inverse)

― impudent harlot, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 06:02 (nineteen years ago)

I tend to call myself a hetero-hag.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 06:08 (nineteen years ago)

Though my friends are pretty equally men and women.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 06:08 (nineteen years ago)

I just think that of all the people in my music circle or in my poetry circle, at least one of them would be gay.

I'm not really caring about rectifying it, or not. It doesn't matter so much to me. Except I hadn't really thought about it in a while. I had a few other gay friends in town, but they moved.

I'm happy to meet smart and interesting people, though, so I'm looking forward to the party.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 06:10 (nineteen years ago)

As for me, one reason there are a couple of reasons I would like to get some gay friends:

-Meeting Mr. Right. My straight friends have almost no contact with gay people besides me, so my dating pool is limited to bar patrons.

-Networking/Community. I would like to be in some way a part of a community, and I am thinking I would like to work in an AIDS service organization. Also, I wonder if a friendship with a homo wouldn't be mutually rewarding in some way that other friendships can't be.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 06:20 (nineteen years ago)

When I brought this up with my party-throwing friend, we talked about it a bit and he said "Aren't there things that you can discuss with gay friends that they'll understand which your straight friends won't?"

And I had to say, well, no. My gay friends tend to say things like "why don't you just shut up and go grab that cock!" which isn't as helpy to hear as you might imagine.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 06:24 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, in one sense, i do relate to gays in certain ways that i don't other people (as far as discussing situations particular to the gay sphere goes, ie sex), but in other ways, that world kind of still feels foreign to me. most of my gay friends (ie those peripheral ones i mentioned earlier) are verrrry forward sexually in a way that i'm definitely not, and are interested in entirely different things as well, and i imagine they have about as much vested interest in something like the history of the communist regime in hungary as i do in fashion week. (not to suggest that they're shallow for thinking this way, both are exhilarating and important for different reasons but i've always found the fashion world and the attitudes and discourses around it somewhat impenetrable for reasons i haven't really worked out yet)

― impudent harlot, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 06:37 (nineteen years ago)

"that world kind of still feels foreign to me" = i had 0 gay friends until college

― impudent harlot, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 06:37 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh ooh did someone say bear-ish? Those are the best. I can't find ANY good ones though, and I live like an hour from NYC. All the one's I've met are too queeny/femme and not really manly-man enough :-/

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 06:41 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently my friend is an "otter", which is a great term that I had never heard before today.

Harlot, who were you previously on ILX? I am so confused by the new name schemes.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 06:54 (nineteen years ago)

i was just "joseph". i haven't worked out how to specify that in the name part yet

― impudent harlot, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 06:55 (nineteen years ago)

Oh all is clear now. Thank you.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 07:00 (nineteen years ago)

What is "otter"? Just hairy, but skinny? They're good too.

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 07:18 (nineteen years ago)

I have, like, no ~~gay~~ friends in town.

― strgn, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 08:27 (nineteen years ago)

Otters pursue bears, I think? Do they have to be hairy as well?

I gained a greater proportion of gay men friends when I started drinking more, not sure why. (And I don't mean drinking and grabbing cocks, either.) But I still mostly have parenting friends who have less time than ever for me, and my Noisedude straight friends who are too young and disreputable to be parents yet.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

[i/]is there a handy term for when a gay man has mostly straight male friends?[/i]

Ha! My situation. I have a handful of gay friends, c'est tout. It doesn't help that Miami, while certainly proud of its hot-boy-per-square-mile ratio, is a zero culturally. My straight friends are better read, listen to more music, and have a better sense of irony than the gay guys I've hung out with or dated; in my case gay men exist to be fucked, period.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

a handful is a lot, isn't it?

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

According to the Gay Men's Handbook, shouldn't the percentage be 70-30?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

I've got only a couple of close friends who are gay, but well -- that's just it. They're a couple. So besides the fact that I get along wonderfully with both of them, it tends to make things difficult when they get drunk and start screaming at each other.

I tend to attract more than my share of male bi-curious friends, which sometimes works out to my advantage, but often just leaves me with unrequited lust.

― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Oh Elmo, male bi-curious friends... sounds like drama! Do not want.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

It only results in drama if / after I manage to sleep with them. ;\

― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

I have no gay male friends and am just a very casual acquaintance of a lesbian. I do find that strange, to be honest.

― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

I think different people have different meanings for otter. This friend of mine in particular is shorter, hairy, thin, and bear-chasing.

-Meeting Mr. Right. My straight friends have almost no contact with gay people besides me, so my dating pool is limited to bar patrons.

Some of my straight friends have far more gay friends than I do, although usually they're in couples.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

The whole "animal" thing is so ridiculous... bears, cubs, otters, pigs... what's wrong with "sorta stocky hairy dudes" or "sorta skinny hairy dudes" or whatever? I mean doesn't it sound deranged to say something like, "Yeah, I'm an otter; I chase bears"....

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Limiting one's pursuits to a specific class of "animal" always seemed creepy, if not deranged, to me.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

BEARS AND CHICKENS AND PIGS
HAY HAY HAY

― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yeh, I pretty much stop with "bear." It's descriptive and pretty self-explanatory. I've also heard of wolves--no idea what that might be.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

otters!? I've never heard that one

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

A bearded (straight) friend of mine was hit on by a guy who declared "I'll be your otter..." In London!

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Most of the guys I date turn out to be rats.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

This might sound bad but I am actually somewhat reassured by this thread, as a straight person - yes, I know, this is not the thread for me - who finds it hard to meet people of any sexuality or dating possibility level. A friend is always mentioning meeting new bearish friends, and occasionally it seems like he must go out or join net communities and people instantly introduce themselves with "hey, you're gay and bearded or dressed kind of indie-cub, we must hang out".

(I did realize it couldn't really be like that, and the actual relationships/hookups he's looking for don't seem to turn up any more often than the drinking acquaintances I'm hoping for, and his with considerably more drama in the process, but sometimes I forget.)

― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

The Otter Guy won't let me around, to talk to my kids...

― Pleasant Plains, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

"indie-cub" is cracking me up. like if there was a venn diagram between "bears" and "indie kids" the overlap would be filled with beer and flannel.

― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

Bestiality is a sin, people.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

the only subcultural oddity that really creeps me out is the crypto-incest fantasy implied by "daddies" and "sons"

― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

As for me, one reason there are a couple of reasons I would like to get some gay friends:

jesse, a friend of mine was telling me and some other friends that we must know some gay men in chicago and that he's taking it personally that we have yet to introduce him to any of them. so you just say the word and i'll set up a meeting. if it gets him to stop hitting on me all the better.

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

I have no gay friends, except this one guy my friends and I assume is gay but he hasn't said anything. I guess it'd be nice to have some, since I feel I may be missing something. Don't know what that "something" could possibly be, though.

― Ivan, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds about right, elmo. Don't forget the rich seam of trucker hats and 0-gauge black ear studs down the middle. According to the photos of latest crushes I'm invited to see every so often, anyway...

(Oh yeah, I was going. Good luck meeting people to everyone here who thinks they need it.)

― a passing spacecadet, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

(is there a handy term for when a gay man has mostly straight male friends? i thought at first it was "stag hag" but that's actually the inverse)

It seems to me that a gay person would have to actively be rejecting friendships with straight people in order to maintain a social network with a majority of gay people.

― Eric H., Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

There was a vivacious gay bar scene in Boise, but all boys. Then one day I found the secret lesbian hangout: the Denny's. Packed with adorable babydykes! I wanted to take them home and put them all on my shelf. It was, somehow, an overwhelming relief.

― Abbott, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

That doesn't make sense at all, Eric.

― nabisco, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

I think Eric's theorem generally makes sense if that person is not living in an urban gayborhood.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Well no, because it assumes that friendships are offered to a person to take or reject, as opposed to most friendships involving some level of concerted outreach on your part. It needn't involve "actively" rejecting straight friendship; it could just mean making your particular outreach only in certain directions.

― nabisco, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

No, having met the sorts of gay men who only have gay friends, I think Eric is more or less OTM.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

Or to put it another way: The sense of "it's not gay so why should I care about it?" is more about active rejection than about being really focused on teh gay.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 22:27 (nineteen years ago)

Hi there! i'm in pretty much the same position myself and the fact that the majority of ILX gays seem to be says a lot about us, of course, but i'm not sure what that is. i have a number of lapsed gay friends, but none of them were close friends anyway. my only close gay friend is my boyfriend. we have never set foot in a gay bar together but i've been thinking i'd like to go and have a look at some gay people some time soon.

― jed_, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 23:10 (nineteen years ago)

and have them look at us too.

― jed_, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

"lapsed gay friends"?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

"college lesbians"?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

lapsed friends who happened to be gay. it's not that i've had more lapsed frinds since i have been going out with my man, i actually have more friends than ever but none of them are gay.

― jed_, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 23:15 (nineteen years ago)

ah gotcha - I was afraid you were referring to folks that have been to Ted Haggard sexual reprogramming camps or something

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

i am in pretty much this situation, which i'm far from unhappy with despite the mild inconvenience at times - i do feel vaguely odd/guilty that a lot of it is because i have absolutely been unable to stand all the hermetic gay 'scenes' i've found myself in which, as has been pointed out already, do seem to make the choice one between socialising in a gay scene or not to know any gays at all.

looking for a flatshare and have come away from all the gay flatshare viewings convinced i could not live in a house of gays.

― lex pretend, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

I guess the fact that all of us are on this not-particularly-gay webboard and haven't lobbied for an I Love Cock! subboard says something. Or something.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 23:23 (nineteen years ago)

this is all quite interesting to me, as a straight dude in the middle of a huge gay community - you can't swing a dead cat in this town without hitting a queer hipster... I'm sure there are hermetically sealed gay scenes I am totally unaware of (and I imagine not welcome in) but socially things seem pretty fluid.

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

It seems to me that a gay person would have to actively be rejecting friendships with straight people in order to maintain a social network with a majority of gay people.

not quite the same thing, but i DID have a conversation recently with a gay friend where he opined that "straight bars SUCK!" so i think there's some degree of active rejection going on there. (granted i don't think i have ever heard anyone else express this opinion ever, and more to the point, who calls bars that aren't obviously gay-friendly "straight bars"?)

― impudent harlot, Thursday, 22 March 2007 05:27 (nineteen years ago)

jesse, a friend of mine was telling me and some other friends that we must know some gay men in chicago and that he's taking it personally that we have yet to introduce him to any of them. so you just say the word and i'll set up a meeting. if it gets him to stop hitting on me all the better.

Hmm. See the thing is, I feel like this would feel kind of awkward, don't you? It's like, I'm not setting you up to date, but I think you should meet this person because you both like cock. It goes back to the "gay guys are for fucking" idea that was stated upthread. But if he happened to come to a Thirsty Thursday, well, that would be OK too--the more the Mary-er. (Ugh.)

― Jesse, Thursday, 22 March 2007 07:39 (nineteen years ago)

yes, very awkward which is why i didn't say anything to him. but when i read your posts 9 hours after him harranguing me i figured i'd float the idea.

― chicago kevin, Thursday, 22 March 2007 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and I was talking to a bartender at Crew (gay sports bar around the way from me) about how I have pretty much 0 gay friends, and he was surprised, and he told me that there are days at a time that go by when he hardly comes face-to-face with another human who isn't gay, and that he doesn't really have any straight friends.

He must commute from Boystown to Uptown, work at the gay bar, work, maybe stopping to have a cocktail at one of the Andersonville (Chicago's other gayborhood) gay bars before heading back to Boystown.

Like Chris said earlier, it seems like some people are simply into the scene, and if it's not gay--friends, bar, music, newspaper--it doesn't matter to them.

― Jesse, Thursday, 22 March 2007 07:47 (nineteen years ago)

xpost- What does he look like? Is he an otter? A wallaby? Maybe a lynx?

― Jesse, Thursday, 22 March 2007 07:50 (nineteen years ago)

He's a gayzelle.

― Casuistry, Thursday, 22 March 2007 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

i've been thinking i'd like to go and have a look at some gay people some time soon.

Feeding time is the best!

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 22 March 2007 13:15 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ "gayzelle"

― jaymc, Thursday, 22 March 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

[do feel vaguely odd/guilty that a lot of it is because i have absolutely been unable to stand all the hermetic gay 'scenes' i've found myself in which, as has been pointed out already, do seem to make the choice one between socialising in a gay scene or not to know any gays at all.

This is my experience. The guy I've been dating on and off for the last 18 months has my problem in reverse: all his close friends are gay (irritating friends too) or girls, with one straight guy he's known since high school. It's clear that at some point upon coming out he felt "alienated" or something and consciously sought the company of other gay men. I came out rather late and already had my close friends, most of whom were straight men, so his thinking seemed bizarre if not perverse, even if I acknowledge that in high school I probably needed a couple of gay buddies who would have, ahem, straightened me out.

As for gay bars, most South Beach gay bars have terrible music (and my friend has abysmal taste). If I'm not getting laid, what's the point?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 22 March 2007 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

God. There should be some sort of support group or social for this. Besides this one.

― Jesse, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

Wait til you hit 40, then it's all pretty academic.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

Meaning?

― Bob Six, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

That said, the gay 'culture' as I experienced it, even in such a nominally accepting, open atmosphere, was extremely exclusive and cliquey.

OTM. I am snarky and I can talk shit as much as the next person, but the backbiting and judgmental attitude about things like attire and minor behavior was unbearable in my brief experience in the heart of the gay world. I was always aware of something or somebody being deemed "tabby" or "not cute," and was subjected to those judgments myself.

Outside of the club culture you have other straight-laced fags who sit around loftifly judging the party boys.

The extremes bothered me because while I can be a party animal, I have more in common with the non-partiers, but my wild side seems to be an impediment to my acceptance in that clique.

I think you have to seriously slut it up for a while to gain that sort of acceptance

Explain.

― Jesse, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

I dunno! I just got the impression that whatever fag-clique in question, they have to want to have sex with you before they'll consider being your friend. Or else, you have to be really gung-ho and involved in social work or sex education or advocacy or gay community activities or whatever social cause that clique is really into.

I'm probably not being fair, but so be it.

― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

I loftily judge party boys, mostly for their notion of what constitutes a party.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 22 March 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

I definitely dealt with feelings of alienation and/or persecution coming out, and I can understand the need to want someone who has gone through a similar situation to give perspective and encouragement -- I went to a couple group meetings at the gay youth center in Providence, and to this day I'm glad I did.

for various reasons i didn't - i mean, it wasn't easy but i've never been anything other than emotionally self-sufficient ( = too proud for own good) so, y'know, i internalised everything and dealt with it and then got over it without support groups, and i never even thought of joining university LGB group - and so i ended up forming large social circles outside of that, inevitably composed of mostly straight people, and once you have a large social network you don't really want to leave it and plunge into a whole new one, which is what i'd have to end up doing.

plus, yes, annoying gays, either the really queeny bitchy ones or the really humourless activist ones or or or...and i can be bitchy or activist-y too, but not like that. i want to meet gays who love hip-hop as much as i do!

does anyone else actually want to change this though? kind of strikes me that for most people here it's a mild inconvenience but ultimately this is how we like it. i mean, i love my friends, i don't really want to leave this social circle.

― lex pretend, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

I don't date as often as I'd like because I'm usually with my straight boys; but I've always been a loner anyway.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 22 March 2007 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I'm not unhappy about my situation, it just struck me suddenly as weird.

― Casuistry, Thursday, 22 March 2007 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

I just got the impression that whatever fag-clique in question, they have to want to have sex with you before they'll consider being your friend.

i kinda feel this way too! and while i realize it's terribly judgmental, based on some parties/bars i've been to, well...

― impudent harlot, Friday, 23 March 2007 04:39 (nineteen years ago)

I just ate a ripe avocado. Is that totally gay or what?

― Jesse, Friday, 23 March 2007 08:08 (nineteen years ago)

A) I think EVERYONE here has gay friends; they just don't realize it.

B) you're gay and bearded or dressed kind of indie-cub DO THESE PEOPLE EXIST?!? I alwyas joke with my friends how I need to find like an "indie bear" (someone bearish who listens to good music... ok, so not "indie" bear but you get the gist) and how there must be, like 7, in the world, and how 5 of them probably live in San Francisco... and I hear that a lot of these bearish people turn out to be some of the queeniest, is such a turn-off. I swear to God I'm attracted to some unknown "heterosexuality" aura; NONE of the types of guys I think are cute are actually gay (Matthew Fox, Jason Statham, etc general manly-manishness)

― Stevie D, Friday, 23 March 2007 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

I also want to ask all the gayILXr's here, how big of a part of your identiy is your homosexuality? Because it seems like every gay person I meet is all "GAY AND PROUD

― Stevie D, Friday, 23 March 2007 08:57 (nineteen years ago)

I also want to ask all the gayILXr's here, how big of a part of your identiy is your homosexuality?

Because it seems like every gay person I meet is all "GAY AND PROUD" and rainbow everything and flaunts it all over the place, and pretty much identifies themself seemingly solely by their sexual orientation. Like, to me, it is NOT "who I am", it's simply a component of me (and a small one at that), one of many that comprise who I am. Most people who know that I'm gay say they'd never have guessed that I was, and I like it that way... I don't like other people to identify me as such (as "a gay kid" rather than "a nice kid who has a decent sense of humor and is fun to talk to" or something).

And don't even get me started on gay characters in the media. No, I don't have good fashion sense, I can't dance for shit unless it's rocking out like a complete fool at a show, and the only Madonna I listen to is "Ray of Light" and that's only because it's mostly William Orbit...

― Stevie D, Friday, 23 March 2007 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

Ok ignore the post two posts ago because I hit a button and my browser did something weird that I didn't mean.

― Stevie D, Friday, 23 March 2007 09:06 (nineteen years ago)

"Like, to me, it is NOT "who I am", it's simply a component of me (and a small one at that), one of many that comprise who I am."

i think i'd go along with this pretty much except that i don't think it's such a small part - it's a huge part of who i am (and i'd guess it is with you too?) and the fact that it helped form me "against all that", rather than making me get in line, doesn't make the influence it has in my life any less huge.

― jed_, Friday, 23 March 2007 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

well i'm not "against all that" now but i was in my more formative years.

― jed_, Friday, 23 March 2007 09:22 (nineteen years ago)

I also want to ask all the gayILXr's here, how big of a part of your identiy is your homosexuality?

tough question to answer in any quantitative way! it's obviously played a huge role in making me who/what i am, but not in the sense of having to flaunt it all the time like the people you mention...i'm not averse to camping it up when drunk but that's not really my default setting. i'd prefer it if it wasn't the 1st thing people think of when they think of me, obv.

― lex pretend, Friday, 23 March 2007 10:19 (nineteen years ago)

Tennis is the 1st thing I think of when I think of you, Lex.

(I sort of feel at home on this thread because when I was a teenager/early twenties I identified far more with a feminised/gay identity, despite being near enough entirely straight (I could try and go into this in more detail but I'm already struggling to think of why - I think it might be some kind of female identity transcribed into a male body, and the reactions and preconceptions of others. And I'm not remotely transgendered either - I just "got" girls far more than boys). Perhaps this makes me some kind of sociological tourist, I don't know - I do have a real curiosity about homosexuality as a social/abstract concept and this thread is fascinating and enlightening to read)

― Mark C, Friday, 23 March 2007 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

Because it seems like every gay person I meet is all "GAY AND PROUD"

A gay acquaintance describes these ppl as "waking up at gay o'clock in the morning." I realized years ago that I have no more in common with such folks than I do with fans of the same music I like, many of whom can be A-1 assholes. I mean making your life entirely "gay" is understandable in your 20s and/or for a couple years after coming out. After that, you're just filling a void.

Gay identity also becomes far less central to me the less sex I have (hence the illusion to passing 40, ie 65 in gay years) -- also as the "mainstream" definition of gay increasingly encouragesus to follow the same boring, restrictive social/amorous norms that have made straight people so deliriously happy.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

But isn't the point of "gay acceptance" to follow the restrictive social/amorous norms of heteros? I'm not 40 yet, but being transgressive matters less as you age. Given the choice, I'd rather be old and boring than young and dead.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 23 March 2007 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

also as the "mainstream" definition of gay increasingly encouragesus to follow the same boring, restrictive social/amorous norms that have made straight people so deliriously happy.

Au contraire, I feel like this trend is reversing (and will be doing so at an accelerating pace). I was talking to my friend about this, and the developments that gay people have had over the past 15 or 20 years alone are completely astonishing (imagine coming out in your high school in 1987, or even 1997). I mean, sure, the ten years ago they gave us shit like [u]To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar[/u] and "Will and Grace" that do very little in breaking down these ridiculous gay stereotypes, but more recent years have given us things like [u]But I'm A Cheerleader[/u] and [u]Little Miss Sunshine[/u] and [u]Brokeback Mountain[/u]. People are seriously getting pissed off with all the Wills and Jacks, and I do truly think that we're going to be seeing a much wider range of gay people in the media in coming years.

― Stevie D, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

I'd argue that those films still contain gay stereotypes (a Proust scholar, repressed sheep herders), but I get you. A more interesting phenomenon is the number of undergraduates in my classrooms (men and women) who admit they have gay pals and it's no big deal. This was not something you would have admitted when I started teaching in 1998.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

I suppose there's also my friend's six-year-old
I suppose there's also my friend's six-year-old
I suppose there's also my friend's six-year-old
I suppose there's also my friend's six-year-old
I suppose there's also my friend's six-year-old
I suppose there's also my friend's six-year-old

wtf pedo

― am0n, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

well, I wasn't particularly arguing for the specific kinds of "transgression" that make you young and dead. Just ... openmindedness. Not necessarily registering at Saks before your big gay wedding where you vow to lead a life of monogamy, buy a house in Montclair NJ and a share in P-town, etc.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

also, I find Jack the Queen of Will and Grace infinitely more believable than the Brokeback heroes. New York gayborhoods are populated with Jacks.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

But Dr Morbius, how do you know that all these Jacks in NYC are gay? Because we see that they're Jack-like, and we can say to ourselves with some certainty "That person is gay". However, all the Brokeback-type people you'd see in NYC... how would you know if they were gay or not?? You wouldn't. There's probably just as many as the Jacks but you'd never know because when we see such people, the media has conditioned us to assume that they are straight.

― Stevie D, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Stevie D, I'm no longer conditioned that way; that's why Brokeback and similar films aren't made for me. I think it's great that Alfred's students are comfortable with 'openly' having gay friends, but ... nothing to do with me.

Also, re ultra-butch gay men (who aren't scecretly Judy Garland cultists)... I assure you there are some, tho I'm not telling my stories. Here.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

This is the first non-movie-I've-seen thread I've read on ILE in a long time, and I'm glad I did. I have a few gay friends who are pretty rad and whose gayness I didn't know about for months (even in the face of a 29-yr-old dude with a complete Lindsay Lohan CD collection amid yr standard indie stuff--I thought he was just popist and liked FUN). As far as I know, they all mostly hang out in hetero-centric circles, and don't even seem to know each other.

― Dr. Superman, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

imagine coming out in your high school in 1987, or even 1997

Would it be all that different from when I came out in high school in 1991?

(The year after I left my first high school, which I found to be fairly homophobic but not in an aggro way -- and that had nothing to do with my leaving -- suddenly gay groups sprung up and teachers came out and all these people I had known were bi and whatnot.)

― Casuistry, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

calling yourself bi was v. v. trendy when I was in high school.

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

But isn't the point of "gay acceptance" to follow the restrictive social/amorous norms of heteros?

Mm, I always thought of it more in terms of the gays not having to be "teh gay" and the straights not having to be "teh straight". If you see what I mean. It makes "transgression" something of a moot point.

― Casuistry, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

they all mostly hang out in hetero-centric circles, and don't even seem to know each other.

Do you think their love lives are suffering as a result? cuz it does get harder in those kind of circles to suss out who is or isn't available/interested/celibate/a raging slut, etc. Even moreso than in other environments, perhaps.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 23 March 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

I find it incredibly difficult. I have NO IDEA how I'll ever find a potential fool-around, let alone a boyfriend.

― Stevie D, Saturday, 24 March 2007 05:07 (nineteen years ago)

I used to think the music I listened to was the gayest thing about me, but then I realized that all my mastercuts dj friends are all straight, and so it seems are most of the ILM househeads. And I also realized it's wanting to fuck other men that is the gayest thing about me.

― Eric H., Saturday, 24 March 2007 05:40 (nineteen years ago)

I also realized it's wanting to fuck other men that is the gayest thing about me.

This and my unstinting ardor for Dolly Parton, but then I found straight guys who loved her more, so I returned to fucking men.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 24 March 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

now, if only we all lived in the same town...

― jed_, Saturday, 24 March 2007 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Proposed: wanting to fuck other men is the only gay thing about any of us.

Casuistry, let us know how the TP party goes.

― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 24 March 2007 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

of course, we're all so macho we would never say "get fucked by"...

― jed_, Saturday, 24 March 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Well, macho doesn't necessarily enter (cough) into it. I've never even been able to abide the thought of inserting contact lenses, so...

(ie "fuck" in the nonliteral sense)

― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 24 March 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

The italian word for "to fuck" is the same as the word for "to cheat", "to screw up" and "to steal".

― Mark C, Saturday, 24 March 2007 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

someone bearish who listens to good music... ok, so not "indie" bear but you get the gist

Come to my birthday party tonight. There's going to be an indie bear there.

― jaymc, Saturday, 24 March 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Would it be all that different from when I came out in high school in 1991?

You're from Manhattan.

I knew no one who was out in high school, and when I started college (1996), there were lots of freshmen and sophomore struggling with their identity and finally finding the courage to come out. By the time I was a senior, though (post-Ellen), I noticed that the incoming freshman were already out and proud and joining the GLBT club in record numbers.

― jaymc, Saturday, 24 March 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

i would say lots of things. (x-post)

indie cubs are a drag, at least the ones in my town. there's a bar here that attracts them. one guy told me 'good news for people who love bad news' is in his top five and that he does not like superficial force-fed pop culture and that he has a lot of respect for people who dig a little deeper and that he doesn't get wolf eyes, where's the melody? i thought maybe i had run into mr snrub. cute though. but i'd rather lust after gays with 'typically gay' taste, if only because it's so foreign/interesting to me since i fit into the hetero fag category on this thread.

last night i drank at a levi/leather bar that played limp bizkit and a lot of metallica. it was kind of fun, actually.

forget otters and gayzelles, how bout a
[img]http://www.phoenixzoo.org/images/animals/ocelot.jpg[/img]
?

this is a cool thread. it makes me miss anthony easton no homo

― strgn, Saturday, 24 March 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.phoenixzoo.org/images/animals/ocelot.jpg

― strgn, Saturday, 24 March 2007 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

best ile thread in ages.

― gershy, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

You see, "indie kids" are so boring and cliche. Yeah, yeah, Arcade Fire, LCD Soundsystem, Camera Obscura, blah blah blah, but I like it more when I can have a conversation with someone about how "It's Great When You're Straight... Yeah" is better than anything the Mondays did or how awesome "XTRMNTR" is or which Neu! album is the best or something like that. God, you'd think this'd be so much easier for someone who goes to school an hour from NYC and goes there at least once a month... Where do I go around here, again? The Dugout or something?

― Stevie D, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

i just want to meet gay boys who aren't scared of hip-hop. there are...not many.

― lex pretend, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

Living in the wrong country, dude. (If Drew Daniel's posts about some of the clubs he's been to are any indication.)

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i know. between this and that racism thread i am starting to hate britishes, but my heart is in ldn &c &c &c.

― lex pretend, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

No, I understand completely. Part of the reason why I think I'll always live in SoCal, it's where I'm most comfortable (though if it had London's tube/bus system THEN it would be perfect).

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

i'm not scared of hip hop. i just don't like it.

― jed_, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

i just want to meet gay boys who aren't scared of hip-hop. there are...not many.

i met someone at a bar last week in SF and we got into a heated argument about rihanna (him con, me pro), but otherwise we had almost the exact same taste in R&B singers. he also liked erase errata and the cocteau twins.

― impudent harlot, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not scared of gay boys, I just don't like them.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:22 (nineteen years ago)

i guess i don't like talking about music that is serious and not 'fun' when i'm trying to connect with someone (or music w/ automatic subcultural baggage), not because i don't like 'serious' music but because talking about it feels like putting on a blindfold somehow, conversation quickly leads to b.s., i hate namedropping, i'm bad at it anyway. i'd rather do this in 'bro' mode w/ someone i know. exception made if i ever meet a gay d0m1n1qu3 l30n3 haha </creep>

― strgn, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Any person confused about "serious" vs "fun" must read more Oscar Wilde. Sadly, lots of queers haven't; most of them act like Bosie.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

(Every time I see this thread title, I think, "You'll never have a gay friend in this town again." Sorry, carry on.)

― Rockist Scientist, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

i guess 'serious' = my own hermetic aspie world or something. i tried to read oscar wilde once. i've been looking for something to read over spring break though, and i think that might be perfect!

― strgn, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

i luv oscar wilde, predictably.

― lex pretend, Saturday, 24 March 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

I want to meet people who don't really care what music I listen to, who don't use music as a way of distinguishing between "their sorts of people" and "others".

But since I don't really listen to music anymore, that doesn't seem to be a problem.

The update is that I am not going to my friend's TP party after all! I realized that's the same day I need to go up to Seattle, where an online friend/poet is going to make a rare area appearence. And while for a few hours I was all "meeting someone who my friend thinks I would get along with? wouldn't that be more exciting?" eventually I snapped out of it and realized that said someone lives in town and I could meet him anytime really, but this might be the only chance I get to meet this other person in person.

So, shock on, I pick poetry over teh gay.

― Casuistry, Saturday, 24 March 2007 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

it makes me miss anthony easton no homo

Drop him an e-mail. He'd probably really appreciate hearing such thoughts from people these days.

― Casuistry, Saturday, 24 March 2007 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

J Dilla has had or been heaviliy involved in the best album of the year for, like, the last five or six years running. Really neat, since he's been dead for the last couple and all.

― Eric H., Saturday, 24 March 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

You're from Manhattan.

Well, no, I'm from Queens. But yes, the environment I was in was generally more supportive of teh gay than most at that time.

― Casuistry, Saturday, 24 March 2007 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

This whole thread reminds me of the scene in Wilde where OW just watches Bosie have sex with another young studly guy and just sits there with a smirk on his face and one hand up by his cheek. Just watching, having his fill without actually doing anything.

― Eric H., Saturday, 24 March 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

It does?

― Casuistry, Saturday, 24 March 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

No Ornaldo Bloomps on this thread yet. UNTIL NOW.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 24 March 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

It also reminds me of that scene in Suspiria where Suzy and Sarah are told that names beginning with the letter "S" are the names of SNAKES!

― Eric H., Saturday, 24 March 2007 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I want a boyfriend that likes Italian horror too. Italian horror and acid house. does anyone think that's doable?

― Stevie D, Saturday, 24 March 2007 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

yep.

― jed_, Saturday, 24 March 2007 22:05 (nineteen years ago)

I want to want a boyfriend, but right now, pretty much no.

― Eric H., Saturday, 24 March 2007 22:10 (nineteen years ago)

Come to my birthday party tonight. There's going to be an indie bear there.

Hey, WTF. I didn't say a him.

― Jesse, Sunday, 25 March 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Huh? I wasn't talking about you.

― jaymc, Sunday, 25 March 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Do not taunt indie bear.

― Casuistry, Sunday, 25 March 2007 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

You poor boys. I'll get a sex change and move to your town and be your new gay friend.

― Beth Parker, Sunday, 25 March 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, WTF. I didn't say a him.

Jesus. What I meant was "I didn't SEE him/You didn't say anything about him."

― Jesse, Sunday, 25 March 2007 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

Typical night in the life of this lone gay wolf (I'm not really a wolf):

Hung out with a lot of straight people at one bar (for jaymc's b-day). Went to a burlesque show which was in Boystown--boobs and booze. After the show we went to the only non-gay bar on Halsted Street. Later I found a guy to have sex with.

― Jesse, Sunday, 25 March 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

i just want to meet gay boys who aren't scared of hip-hop. there are...not many.

Atlanta may be the city for you

― Curt1s Stephens, Sunday, 25 March 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

I want FAP.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 07:38 (nineteen years ago)

Well, at least you had sex, I guess.

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 08:34 (nineteen years ago)

I was at a party with otter and otter's ex yesterday, and spent most of that time talking to the ex, who is a nice enough guy, although wasn't the best bf to my otter friend. We were talking about sex. He said to me: "You need to think of sex as like peeing. It's just something you need to do every so often for medical reasons. They've done studies, you'll live longer and better if you have sex 3 times a week. Too much less than that, too much more than that, it's not good for you."

I don't think I managed to come with anything to say in response.

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 08:42 (nineteen years ago)

(...come up with...)

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 08:43 (nineteen years ago)

That really has nothing to do with this thread but it involves some of the same characters and I didn't feel like starting a new thread for it and it was a nice and weird moment that I wanted to share.

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 08:44 (nineteen years ago)

That really has nothing to do with this thread

Au contraire; anything to do with gay subcultures named after animals and/or sexual relations with people of said groups is completely acceptable (and relevant) discussion within this thread.

The otter's ex seems sort of cocky (no pun intended, I swear!). What's your definition of otter again? Skinny with body hair, or skinny/no body hair who "chases bears"?

― Stevie D, Monday, 26 March 2007 08:51 (nineteen years ago)

He's a short skinny hairy artsy guy in his late twenties. With a beard and indie glasses. I'm not sure what parts of that make him an otter, if any. He does like the bears. (Although his ex isn't one.)

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 09:03 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think the ex was necessarily cocky as trying to make glittery conversation. Which obviously involves a certain dash of cock. So to speak.

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 09:05 (nineteen years ago)

What is it that makes him a http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6896/otterwx0.jpg and not a http://www.stashyourtrash.org/images/bear_cub_in_tree.jpg?

On a similar note, has anyone figured out why we say "Woof!" and nor "Rawr!', and why, since we do employ "Woof!", we choose to go all the way out in the middle of nowhere and utilize "otter" or "wolf" before "pup" or "dog" (which would be infinitely more appropriate)?

― Stevie D, Monday, 26 March 2007 09:18 (nineteen years ago)

Stevie, I wd check the schedule at the Nowhere bar if I was you.

Otter's ex sorts has it right.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

What I meant was "I didn't SEE him/You didn't say anything about him."

I don't remember if he was there when you were. Bald, bearded chap accompanied by an African American girl.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

(i have never heard the term "otter" before this thread, like, ever)

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

ahaha yes, i remember that fellow

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Nowhere sounds grand. However, there's still a slight problem of being a bit underage and not having a "valid ID" (so to speak)

― Stevie D, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

(i have never heard the term "otter" before this thread, like, ever)

neither had i. i'm not sure i like it!

― lex pretend, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

Well, they're greasy and have hairy undersides.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

OTTERS EAT CLAMS.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Otter is a new term to me as well.

He's not a cub because he's not going to grow up into a bear someday.

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think he's obligated to; I always thought "cub" was a just bear who was, like, under 30 (regardless of physique)

― Stevie D, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember if he was there when you were. Bald, bearded chap accompanied by an African American girl.

I think I met him before when Chris was visiting? I met some balding, hairy gay guy who was into good music. We were at Clark's on Clark.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

What's his name?

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

When I was visiting? I never went into Clark's on Clark.

I don't think he's obligated to; I always thought "cub" was a just bear who was, like, under 30 (regardless of physique)

Well, that's what I'm saying: He's not going to be a bear when he's over 30. He'll just be an old otter. Or... something. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "regardless of physique" -- surely physique is one of the most important aspects of bearhood.

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

wait waht

― river wolf, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Unless you're mostly a bear(d)

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

God these terms suck.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know exactly why, but these stupid terms really irritate me. Why don't they exist for straight people, when they make up the majority, and therefore have more room for categorization? Breaking down a minority into scenes and types this way seems to be a little divisive. Not that the bears, otters, and gayzelles can't play together, but there are bear bars (Touche, The Eagle, Jackhammer) and twink bars (Roscoe's) rather than simply a BAR where everyone is a big gay family.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, last I checked straight people had categories like "yuppie", "frat boy", "indie kid", "office betty"... they're just not named after animals.

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Some horny gays are all about the niches. I revel in the disparate types I've known.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

my favorite straight-epithet = "chubby-chaser"

― Shakey Mo Collier, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

Although I was chatting with him last night, and he's all trying to figure out what he needs to do to make himself attractive to bears -- maybe if he works out more? -- and it was just depressing, this sense of positioning himself in terms of a target demographic. And I tried to suggest that it didn't hafta be that way, and he was all "I don't want to die alone!" And I said, "We all die alone, dammit."

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

The straight types are not so sexualized and rigid. Except chubby-chaser, I guess.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

I read an interview with John Waters in which he goes into this a bit.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

It's like frat pledging. If you don't do it, you hafta make yr own parties.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it was the interview in BUTT he did around the time "Dirty Shame" was released.

link here.

I did an interview with American Bear Magazine, about the movie. I’m for it. I’m certainly not going to draw the line at bears. But to me, aren’t all middle-aged heterosexual men bears? I don’t get it. My generation has to eroticize everything. We used to call it fat. Now it’s eroticized. Anyway, when I did the interview with American Bear Magazine, they were so serious. That’s the thing with every fetish that amazes me. How can you use the word “husbear” or “significant otter” and not smile?

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

What was your inspiration for the bears reference?
The bears? They are a huge movement in America.

And in London.
And they are the most mainstream. I did an interview with American Bear Magazine, about the movie. I’m for it. I’m certainly not going to draw the line at bears. But to me, aren’t all middle-aged heterosexual men bears? I don’t get it. My generation has to eroticize everything. We used to call it fat. Now it’s eroticized. Anyway, when I did the interview with American Bear Magazine, they were so serious. That’s the thing with every fetish that amazes me. How can you use the word “husbear” or “significant otter” and not smile?

Significant otter?
Yes. That’s dialogue from the movie and I got it from the Bear Handbook. They say that. And also they talk about coming out of a “second closet.” First admitting that you’re gay and then that you’re a bear. Well I’d advise that if you’re a bear, don’t tell your parents. Parents shouldn’t have to accept that. “Mom, Dad, sit down. I have something to tell you.” Imagine their nervous look. “I’m a bear,” you know; and they do that. I asked them when they interviewed me, are there bear tops? I’ve never met one. They all try and dress butch, but they seem kind of nelly to me, the bears I’ve seen. And he said, “Some are; yes,” without even laughing. I’m all for the bear movement, and the ones I know have a sense of humor. But their leaders are humor-impaired.

I love the idea of a cub. A junior bear.
Well, a cub is a chicken. A cub looks for an otter, someone who isn’t fat or hairy but will be. But some people say an otter is a skinny hairless person that bears fuck.

Is that connected to the whole daddy imagery in the American gay subculture?
Well, I guess bears are daddies.

That’s so amazing. In Europe the whole daddy imagery doesn’t exist. But when you come to America, it’s crazy.
What is it called in Europe? Old? Let me tell you, I’m at an age where I’m starting to attract people who want daddies, but I’d be mortified to be thought of as someone’s daddy. What I’ve learned is that with anybody who wants a daddy, it isn’t because they’ve had a good relationship with their daddy. It’s to punish their daddy, and you are the vessel. I guess I’m not against the idea of daddy fanatics, even though it’s not a good idea to get involved with one because as I said they have a fucked-up relationship with their daddy, not a good one. Otherwise they would date people age-appropriate, something I’m not very good at.

SIGNIFICANT OTTER.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

I think I met him before when Chris was visiting? I met some balding, hairy gay guy who was into good music. We were at Clark's on Clark.

Yeah, I brought him to that one party you were at with that guy you were sort of seeing who directed Latino sketch comedy. Then I dropped you two off at Clark's on Clark afterwards.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeh!

Yes, not my type, nor was I his. But it's good to know that an indie-fag exists.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think I fit into any of these categories. Perhaps I should make up a new one.

Although people have put me in a category of not-very-gay gay guy.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

That's mine too, Jesse. what should we call it?

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know. I hate the term "straight-gay." Let's call it the Jesse-Morbius Club. Or Morbius-Jesse, if you don't like 2nd billing.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

well, I kinda resent being called "not-very-gay" etc. Like it's a slur on my enthusiasm for sodomy.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

"ANTI-FAG"

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

The un-fag. Or the Un-Fagola.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

I resent being referred to as a Jesse-Morbius.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

plus I like pre-1965 showtunes, so I can't belong!

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

WHATEVER, JESSE-MORBIUS, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR OWN LITTLE GAY CLIQUE

SO TYPICAL, YOU FAGS

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think of myself as "butch" because that makes me think of guys who wear handlebar mustaches and act masculine. I'm pretty neutral--not nelly, not "butch." I seem like just any old regular guy. Sometimes I'll play it campy for a few seconds but it's not my default, and I do it with irony.

Anyway, I suspect there are more of us out there, but because of the seeming neutrality, we don't get our own category. UNTIL NOW!!

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

how about regular guys that like sex with other guys?

― river wolf, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Although people have put me in a category of not-very-gay gay guy.

guy i was talking to at bar last night apparently thought i was "just an awkward straight guy" at first glance

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

This group reminds me of Buddy Cole saying "We're like the porridge Goldilocks chose" -- not too butch, not too nelly...

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

Ya but I fit into that category too so, you see, "Steve" MUST be in there somewhere. Or we could just claim "ocelot".

surely physique is one of the most important aspects of bearhood.
Well, it's a, uh, sticky situation. Some people's definition of "bear" emphasizes physique, while others' (including my own) put more focus onto actual hair. If you're chubby but hairless, you are not a bear; conversely, if you happen to be fit, and are hairy, I totally count that as bearhood.

And as mentioned earlier, some people call younger bears "cubs", and use "otter" to refer to someone who's not a bear but into them; others use "otter" to refer to younger (or skinnier) bears (which confuses me as to what "cub" would be in that context, if it'd differ at all).

It seems that most gay ILXers are A) not "typically gay" and don't come off as such in person, and B) tend to have an appreciation for body hair.

― Stevie D, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

Likes: Priscilla Queen of the Desert, Short Bus, ABBA, sodomy, Edward Albee, kissing boys, skipping while going "tra-la-la"

Dislikes: Madonna, awful remixes of J-Lo songs, Rent.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

how about regular guys that like sex with other guys?

not very snappy

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

"regular guy" is personal ads is code for "closeted," as far as i can tell

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

I like bodies with and without hair. I love each in their own way.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

what about "gay dudes."

― river wolf, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

how about regular guys that like sex with other guys?

not very snappy

Jordan on Monday, March 26, 2007 1:26 PM (1 minute ago)

Get out of our gayborhood, breeder.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder how large of a percent these not-very-gay-acting gay people take of the overall gay population. Tricky thing is, you woudln't be able to tell without asking them directly. You'd just think they were "just an awkward straight guy"

― Stevie D, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

gee, I like "Into the Groove." And also friends (and bed partners) who are much butcher or nellier than me. (Bad taste and nellydom aren't necessarily married.)

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Now I regret scoffing at Gore Vidal's pedantic insistence on using "homosexual" as an adjective, not a noun.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

"g0ys"

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

"gawkward"?

I find that most of my fag friends, like me, are taken for nerdy guys of str8 or indeterminant sexual taste.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

Nowhere sounds grand. However, there's still a slight problem of being a bit underage and not having a "valid ID" (so to speak)

Are you legal?

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

The faggy things I like: Madonna, Pet Shop Boys, yogurt, candles, hair gel, preening narcissism.

The faggy things I hate: sour apple martinis, most musicals, using "bitch" as an endearment, anonymous diva house.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait, are you the Steve that goes to Rutgers?

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

Don't answer him, kid! Dossiers!

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

yogurt is gay?? I mean a purple-headed yogurt slinger is, but yogurt?

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

yogurt vs ice cream vs "gelato"

gelato in Miami = Eurofag

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

oh shit i eat yogurt every morning

― river wolf, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

Alfred, do you embrace preening in yrself or others?

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

what about "gay dudes."

WINNAR

i like alfred's list (except i don't really use "product") (actually, destroy that term too now i think of it)

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

Get out of our gayborhood, breeder.

But I like yogurt. And 300.

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

I usually respond to my environment. I tend to preen around my straight buds, and revert to "normal" Lord Soto as the level of fagocentrism increases.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

In the past couple of years I have come to have an appreciation for more effeminate guys, but only if it doesn't seem like a put-on. If you lisp or sound a little....soft(?), that's great. But if you're on the train going "Ohhhh gurrl! That's fierce!" I would like to distance myself from you, thx.

But for the most part I like J-Morbs. Which makes things difficult because sometimes I'll be chatting up a guy who I would like to ask out and I just don't know if he's gay. I am very hesitant to admit it, but there have been times when I have played a little gayer than I normally am in order to let another gay guy know I'm not straight (if I am into him). The reason for this is that I've been at parties where I was sure that I was flirting, but the other guy later was surprised to find out that I'm gay.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

oh Jesse --- soooo frustrating...

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

I am very hesitant to admit it, but there have been times when I have played a little gayer than I normally am in order to let another gay guy know I'm not straight (if I am into him)

OTM. This happened just last week, as well as its equally annoying converse (straight men thinking You're One of Them, so you rather hamhandedly inform them with a coarse remark, i.e. "Yeah, this guy I slept with last year had the same complaint about an old girlfriend").

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

I am very hesitant to admit it, but there have been times when I have played a little gayer than I normally am in order to let another gay guy know I'm not straight (if I am into him).

i'd kinda be surprised if people didn't do this from time to time (cf. also straight men acting butcher than usual to impress chicks?)

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

see, I don't mind mentioning casually that I'm gay in the course of conversation if I'm in that sort of situation, it tends to save everyone embarrassment.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

This is the moment in the conversation when we start a "support group."

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

xpost hah i did that recently when someone asked me if i liked the "boobs" in SF

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

The only person I know who was in an online support group wound up turning in a murderer in the group, so no thank you.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

In our new gay subculture, I'll put forth a motion that we identify our sexual 'types' as different types of trees.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like if I don't make it apparent that I am gay--since my mannerisms don't do this effectively--that I am covering. Plus it just makes things easier in the long run if I just casually mention an ex-boyfriend rather than having people assuming I'm straight for weeks.

I'm thinking mostly about work here. In my training group at the restaurant where I work now we had a straight guy who everyone took for granted as a very nelly homo, and me, who everyone assumed was straight. It's still a joke 3 years later.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

We need our own color of hanky.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

I got that covered.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

An earth tone?

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

A shale gray.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

Something that clashes, shows no Queer-Eye fashion sense.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

It needs to match my sour apple martini.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

i'll object to that -- I'm not very nelly, but goddamn it, I can definitely be a dandy and I will not give up my colorful accessories.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i don't think i'm ENOUGH of a dandy, actually

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

A deeply closeted former friend once proudly sported a Tuxedo Sam wallet.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

(i wore a maroon hanky as a pocket square saturday. in my mauve tuxedo jacket. ahem.)

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

A way I wish I were gayer is in my attire. I really want a kind gay sartorial sherpa to help me dress myself! This is something I've been actively working on for the past year.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

a way *i* wish i were gayer is my physique. :(

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

Sherpas are available on ebay, Jesse!

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm so not a dandy. I loved Sandra Bernhard's standup cabaret, except I never got any of the fashion refrerences.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

On the Stylus message board I tried to start a kerfuffle when I learned about the alarming number of intelligent staff members letting their goddamn girlfriends cut their own hair. The lack of moral fibre in this country is sickening.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

I could stand some time in the gym.

I like fit guys, but there's something adorable about a little bit of pooch.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

"a little bit of pooch" is about as fit as I'm getting.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

http://fourfour.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/brycestripsearch4.jpg

I should have known that a GIS for guys with a little pooch would lead me to fourfour.typepad.com

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

I've actually been doing a lot of cardio the past 2 weeks -- I'd like to look better, but honestly I just want to be able to have an extended fuckathon without wanting to pass out from exhaustion. Just trying to raise my stamina to match my libido, I guess.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

you are all welcome to join my gay shame parade

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Just trying to raise my stamina to match my libido, I guess.

AMEN. I had a long dry spell and that ended recently and let me tell you that it's not sexy to wonder if you're going to throw up on your man. Maybe I should just bottom until I have built up more stamina.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and before I came back to this thread I was re-reading the Gay Shame Parade!

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Passing out is nature's way of keeping you from being too sore in the morning.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

elmo SO otm abt pontius (and like, most of the jackass dudes actually)

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

haha, i'm not flexible at all, i'd make a lame bottom

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

It took a minute, but I thought that this pic was Dr. Morbius.

http://expn.go.com/media/skt/hawktour/2001/010525_bammargera_i.jpg

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

no, just my DREAM DATE.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

i'm very flexible but i don't like bottoming. or maybe i'm just not doing it enough?

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

well, one of several hundred.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

Not to get put out TMI, but I have no problem lasting forever, but I was just to tired, so I finished up. I felt like a 16-year old, except tired.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse, did you almost throw up from exhaustion?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like we're having one big faggy ILX transcontinental happy hour now!

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Not quite that bad, but I definitely felt like I had just done a sprint that I wasn't prepared for.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

And we scared the straight ILX'ers away (or they're taking notes).

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Wait. Transcontinental? I thought we were all USAian.

Chicago, here.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Jordan--guess who almost threw up from humpin'? I know you're lurking!!

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

yes, trans, not inter, J.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

there was sort of a nycilxgayfap once, right? (not that i, uh, met anyone at it)

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, wait. I didn't even pick up on that. What other continents are in the house?

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

was there? I never managed one successfully.

(besides, I got kissed by Tombot at this weekend's 'regulat' FAP.)

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

it may have just been a regular one at beauty bar, actually

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah! I met phil there just briefly, but not you. Otherwise it was nabisco and maybe another not-gay person or two.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

God. It's 80 degrees here (!) I guess I should go for a run.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

also joe, the str8 ILXors found Metropolitan to be "a meat market." or at least Tombot did. What if I had taken them to Splash?

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

lex pretend and jed are both in the UK.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is becoming "This is the thread where I say I'm gay."

I don't necessarily have a problem with that.

Re: J-Morbs gay dudes, this is where we can discuss the term "straight-acting", which my otter friend thinks describes him and me, but which I always thought of as being much more hypermasculine, a fear of coming off gay, etc. I don't think I'm "straight-acting" even though many people who meet me don't figure out for months and months that I'm gay. Not because I'm hiding it from them, but because I don't think being gay is all that interesting in and of itself so I don't make a big deal about it.

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, does Splash still exist?!

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

I kind of had the idea that ILX had no gay people except me, Chris, and Phil. Now I know.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Chris, I think in the '50s you just would be called "artistic."

It's getting to the point anyone who isn't waxed and wearing their Black Party ID in a lanyard is called "straight-acting."

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, does Splash still exist?!

Hehehe, let's go next time you're here! We'll feel EXTRA-butch.
Liza Minnelli had a panic attack there last year!

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

Just trying to raise my stamina to match my libido, I guess.

This is recommended gay or straight, it so sucks when your mind is all "UNGH" (as in make 'em say) but your body is all "UNGH" (as in "stop you fool you are made of jello").

― nickalicious, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

sure does cas! i went there a few months ago. (i only like that place when i get reaaaaaaaal drunk first)

metropolitan didn't seem too meat market-y the couple of times i've been (and is still prob. my favorite gay bar i've been to in nyc)

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

gayILXfap is so on for my next visit.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

nyc, i mean. i totally missed morbs on my last trip thru.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

Splash on like 17th, which I got mugged outside ten years ago?

God that was a depressing night. My ex dragged me there because he didn't want to go alone, and he immediately left me to go take his shirt off on the dancefloor, occasionally hunting me down to borrow a few bucks for drinks or tell me about the latest boy he was flirting with, while I ended up feeling massively alienated and unclear on how this was supposed to be at all fun or nontoxic, and ended up nursing a drink and watching people play pool in the basement for hours and watching the video porn montages trying to, oh you know, come up with historical contexts for them, artistically, or something, until finally he was ready to take me back to my place and this boy visiting from Iowa back to his, except then we got mugged going back to his car. And that put a damper on his fun. And then it turned out the Iowan boy was poz, and my ex who had done nothing with him freaked out nonetheless.

That might have been the nail on the coffin of my feeling like I was any part of a "gay community" or that I had something in common with this cross-section of people besides a hankering for the great taste of cock.

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

(I'll be in NYC for most of this summer. FWIW.)

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Oh Chris, whatta tale. :( We'll go somewhere else. Like, anyplace. But I'm glad you'll be here.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

(Skimming through the "gay shame" thread, I notice Elmo says something about a one-balled dude at some point. I -- and I've slept around a bit, but probably less than most people on this thread who are over 25 -- have been with THREE monorchids, which means I need to sleep with someone with, I guess, five balls in order to get my average back up to two balls per sex partner.)

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Hey Jordan--guess who almost threw up from humpin'? I know you're lurking!!

Either you're having much better sex than me or you're out of shape, yo (or you know, a little of column a...).

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

Cas, were you at least informed / warned by the one-balled partners before any sort of sexual encounter? Or was it like my experience, where dude was suddenly all, "YEAH, I GOT ONE BALL, YOU LIKE THAT?"

What are you supposed to say to that, anyway?

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

"well, that's all we need for tennis, right?"

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

that really sucks tho chris. there's better places you can go now, at least (should you be so inclined)

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

Ugh. I took that run. It was only like 1.5 mile, but I felt it.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

also, "monorchids" = lolz

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse, 80 is too warm to run! I only do it if it's 68. In December.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Yeh, Chicago is fucked up and we skipped right from snow to 80 degrees. WTF.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

You guys are my best gay friends in the whole wide world.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

running is too tough on the knees for a big feller like me -- i love you, elliptical machine

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

i remember exercising :(

― impudent harlot, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

I may be in Gotham this summer. I'll be sure to ring all of youz.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait, are you the Steve that goes to Rutgers?

Oh no, I hope I don't have like a cloud of bad reputation about me :-( Yes, I'm legal for sure. But don't places like the dugout and nowhere card?

I'm in No Funswick, NJ (a hour from NYC) and will be moving here permanently at the end of the semester

― Stevie D, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

No bad rep, just a realization that if you're in college, then you're surely legal. Asking if you're legal was just me being a perv.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 22:22 (nineteen years ago)

...yeah but how the hell did you remember I went to rutgers?

― Stevie D, Monday, 26 March 2007 23:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/830000/images/_833942_big_brother300.jpg

― river wolf, Monday, 26 March 2007 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

Oh come on, this is me we're talking about.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 23:35 (nineteen years ago)

I think everyone here should move/contribute to the "It's MARCH 2007 - what do you look like?" thread.

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 00:03 (nineteen years ago)

But I know what everyone on this thread looks like except you, Stevie.

Monorchidism: First guy said, during the make-out-which-beomces-first-sex session, "oh, uh when you get down there you'll notice there's one less." And I had to ask what was less. And he told me. And it was odd but I got used to it pretty quickly.

Second guy was one of my very infrequent internet hookups, and he mentioned it early on in the evening, and I was like, "It's cool, I've done it before."

Third guy didn't say a damn thing about it, but he was sort of shy and inexperienced and was the sort of person who thought if he didn't mention something maybe it wouldn't matter. It wasn't until maybe the third time we slept together that I mentioned it, and he was sheepish about it. I reassured him it wasn't a big deal.

So the nice thing is that now if it happens again you can say "Whatever, it doesn't make you special, I've totally done one-balled guys before."

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 01:23 (nineteen years ago)

there's better places you can go now

I have never been to a gay bar/club in Portland. (I've been to more gay bars in Chicago, I think!) Well, with the exception of this one piano bar/restaurant that I've heard gay people claim isn't even gay. Splash might have been a particularly bad example of the genre, I don't know. I had been to others before that, though. And overall they have always left alienated and depressed. They're filled with fun things to do that I don't find fun, promise the possibility of meeting people while posing clear impediments to the ways that I get to know people (such as, say, talking or seeing them clearly), and perhaps take whatever minimal strengths I have as a person and say "we're not interested in that". And in exchange they offer something I'm not particularly interested in: the chance at sex with someone you don't particularly know. All mixed with the thrill of feeling like I'm on display and being judged in a game that I don't really want to play and whose rules kinda disgust me.

But, you know, that said, that's just me. I don't want to make it sound like I think people for whom that does work are bad people -- they're just fundamentally different from me. Which is not bad, just different.

Or, to put it all another way: Doing Splash "better" isn't going to make it any more likely for me to want to go; but if there's someplace that's totally unlike it in approach and vibe that you think might have something to offer someone like me, then I suppose I'd be curious to find out about it.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 01:37 (nineteen years ago)

Gay things I like:

dance music (though more like funk and disco and boogie and early house, not as much the corny euro stuff)

vanguard artsploitation/camp

Bea Arthur and all her fine work

fantasizing about being a black woman

working out (wish I could do it more, really)

taking mental inventory of one's reasonable level of gayness by making note of gay stuff you dislike

male figure skaters (*blushes*)

and, to reiterate, being attracted to men

Gay things I don't like:

most musicals that aren't The Wiz or Bob Fosse movies

pop divas

I'm not an anti-fashionista or anything, but any sandals more ornate/expensive than $4 flipflops from Target make me angry

excessive gay political activism, or most of the books in gay libraries

the word "queer" (much prefer "fag")

interior decoration (slap some movie posters up and I call it done)

― Eric H., Tuesday, 27 March 2007 03:09 (nineteen years ago)

Two additions.

In likes: Madonna's Erotica
In dislikes: everything Madonna has done since

― Eric H., Tuesday, 27 March 2007 03:11 (nineteen years ago)

And we scared the straight ILX'ers away (or they're taking notes).

No to both. I'm just around. (Casuistry, I have mentioned my return Portland visit next month? I can never remember who I tell these things to.)

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 03:15 (nineteen years ago)

Ned, you are both omnipresent and omnisexual, so I think he wasn't talking about you. And yes, although I forget the exact details, but I am still looking forward to it!

I think we can all agree on Bea Arthur and being attracted to men.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 03:20 (nineteen years ago)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/435706455_d1bb07d8b3.jpg?v=0

This is what I look like.

I'm the one on the left.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think everyone here should move/contribute to the "It's MARCH 2007 - what do you look like?" thread.

I agree. I'm very curious what an ILX-homo looks like. Besides Chris.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/392252517_b7cd22629f.jpg?v=0 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/147/428724845_314b4f5ebf.jpg?v=0

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 04:07 (nineteen years ago)

This is what I do instead of making gay friends in this town.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 04:07 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse = hottie.

I look like this:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/180/435926078_247c9d91a6.jpg

But I think I will shave the beard off this week. It has proven its point.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

What a closet case, with your beard and pussy.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 04:47 (nineteen years ago)

Me fighting jaundice.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v371/ephender/DSC00893.jpg

― Eric H., Tuesday, 27 March 2007 04:48 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, I didn't mean for that photo to be so plus-sized.

― Eric H., Tuesday, 27 March 2007 04:50 (nineteen years ago)

Hot shit! So are you a so-called "otter"/"cub"?

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:17 (nineteen years ago)

I guess so. I don't wax my chest.

― Eric H., Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:20 (nineteen years ago)

But do you chase bears? Or favor them?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:23 (nineteen years ago)

http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/2083/spa1098ug5.jpg

in the dorm

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm ... I favor no one in particular. I'm adamantly single, but I do like animals.

― Eric H., Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:33 (nineteen years ago)

calling yourself bi was v. v. trendy when I was in high school.

elmo argonaut on Friday, 23 March 2007 15:36 (3 days ago)

hrm... maybe a lot of teenagers were/are just unsure of their, you know, ostensible destiny? admittedly, i'm projecting a lot. but most of what i remember were some 'bi' kids who were comfortable enough to meander, fuck around with whoever'd show 'em skin. independent of gender. flat-out horny. i think a lot of teenagers find their sexual identity by wiggling around 'til they settle into something that fits and is rewarding to them, with some false notes and untrue choices, natch. i've always been wary of the kind of teleological arguments that suggest we have a clear-cut sexual identity that we 'find', and not one that's more or less wiggly (to a degree depending on the individual) forged with a wad of guesswork and massively influenced by the process of our engaging with it. horny heisenbergism. sexual self-labeling (espesh among inexperienced teens that fall closer to a – say – border region of personal identification than to a clearly gay/straight/bi identity) seems sort of arbitrary. i've always thought that the people i knew growing up, the 'once-upon-a-bi' kids were trying a label on for fit, not for show.

― remy bean, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:36 (nineteen years ago)

Sweatervest? You are playing with FIRE.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:52 (nineteen years ago)

I think the bi-teen-phenom happens for many different reasons for different people, but I think remy (who has explored this line of argument before here) hits on something that is not usually discussed, yes.

That said, the recent OKCupid profile I stumbled across from a bi early-20s guy who was looking for a girlfriend (and seemingly only a girlfriend) and would prefer a bi one because she'd understand a homo like him -- it started me a little, since it felt like some sort of appropriation that I didn't really understand.

Also, sweatervest, srsly.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:57 (nineteen years ago)

OK I have never ever worn that thing in my life. I always but always wear a t-shirt (or sometimes a sweater from like H&M or something) but today for the first time in I think ever I decided to switch it up. So I put on a short-sleeve button down shirt and rolled up the sleeves really high and threw on a black sweater vest that I bought months ago and haven't worn And I got compliments by a buncha people. Picture doesn't do justice; it looks nicer than it looks there.

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:08 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe you don't understand how entirely pro-sweatervest I am.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:26 (nineteen years ago)

You made it sound all like "oh, that's soooooo risky, you're pushing it; I can't believe you wore that, it looks so silly/typical-gay"

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'm enjoying this thread immensely. I find myself relating to many of the members here, especially with regards to not really diggin' the typical "gay" activities (Casuistry's club story immediately comes to mind). I haven't been out for too long and it's encouraging to read these posts. Not that I couldn't have guessed there was more out there, but now I have visual evidence.

― Ivan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:35 (nineteen years ago)

I meant something more like "do not post a picture of yourself in a sweatervest unless you understand the unholy power of the sweatervest."

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:39 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha i was wondering when this thread would devolve into WDYLL! (not that i esp. have a problem with this) (except to say that i don't have any recent photos of myself)

― impudent harlot, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:42 (nineteen years ago)

Go with non-recent. WDYLL?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:46 (nineteen years ago)

G-pics only.

For now.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:48 (nineteen years ago)

the only place online with photos of myself isn't working at the moment. so tomorrow i guess.

― impudent harlot, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:51 (nineteen years ago)

all the action happening when i'm asleep :(

however on the subject of sweatervests, as posted on the actual wdyll thread -

425134100_8431be7acf.jpg?v=1174221590
425134132_efd628e0bf.jpg?v=0

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 07:31 (nineteen years ago)

did those work? no?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/425134100_8431be7acf.jpg?v=1174221590
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/156/425134132_efd628e0bf.jpg?v=0

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 07:39 (nineteen years ago)

I thought that was just a two-color shirt! But no, I see clearly now.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 08:18 (nineteen years ago)

there were people who thought it was a two-colour shirt who were there in person! the risks of colour-coordinating too well.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 09:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/129/407501755_31a36ddc46.jpg

fine & dandy

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

me on unseasonably warm coney island day in january with friends (we didn't coordinate outfits beforehand, i swear):

http://homepages.nyu.edu/~jg1058/coney.jpg

― impudent harlot, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

That said, the recent OKCupid profile I stumbled across from a bi early-20s guy who was looking for a girlfriend (and seemingly only a girlfriend) and would prefer a bi one because she'd understand a homo like him -- it started me a little, since it felt like some sort of appropriation that I didn't really understand.

I have had thoughts like this, especially since a girlfriend I once had was convinced I was secretly gay and would rather be with a man than with her, just because I happened to be attracted to guys sometimes. This was not the case with a previous ex, who was "bi" (or at least had been with girls before) and with whom I could talk about hot people of either sex.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

I think we can all agree on Bea Arthur

I've seen maybe 2 episodes each of Maude and The Golden Girls, and much prefer Eve Arden among butch caustic funnyladies.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm so repulsed by 90% of what I see in the homo weeklies I don't know what's tolerably "gay" anymore. How about Fassbinder and baseball?

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

Michael Buble.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/media/imdb/01/I/46/66/12s.jpg

"I was Fassbinder's muuuuuse."

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, but John, you don't go around calling yourself a "homo". You go around calling Kenan a "homo". That's different.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Kweenan or Kweernan are popular names for Kenan.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Is that Patricia Clarkson?

― Eric H., Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

The beard is now gone, by the way.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

We have like no gay towns in OC.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

mine is fuller than ever!! (ie i'm boycotting shaving until i get a proper trimmer)

― impudent harlot, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

Fairly recent picture I posted in WDYLL:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/igallardo/fountain.jpg

― Ivan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

So this thread is kind of the gay bar of ILX. Was there not such a place before, or what?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, my first gay bar! Awesome.

― Ivan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

UK Watercooler

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

No, Jesse, there wasn't. Although there have been other threads about teh gay which didn't turn into "This is the thread where I'm gay".

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

I lost my beard last week too, in time for my new sitcom promo shoot with Allyzay (that's the best I can do without a FAQ).

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Weird, no?

Ivan, you're in Chicago, right? I seem to recall you posting once there, and that picture looks like Block 37 on the Dearborn St. side.

Also Hey, my first gay bar! Awesome.

Really? How old are you?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Is that Patricia Clarkson?

Yeah, the quote below is from High Art. (Speaking of which, where are the lesbians on ILX these days? I can think of a couple, but they don't post anymore.)

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I see where you posted on the previous Chicago thread, but I can't make sense of it. You should join Chilx our semi-regular Thirsty Thursday events. They don't take place at a gay bar--actually, they usually go down at sort of the anti-gay bar, a Union (electricians, construction) dude hang-out in the Loop.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Is it at that place where I went? Uh, when you were in NO, Jesse. I guess you wouldn't know.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Old Timers.

Last time we were there Jenny was friendly to a duuurrnk electrician who followed her from the bar to our table where he and Jenny alternately agreed on the need for an American Labor party, and disagreed as to whether Oprah should be referred to as a nigger (in all fairness, he said "I used to think she was just a nigger, but then I met her and she's really a great gal.")

Another highlight was when he extolled the efficacy of AA while swilling his Bud. After that he said, "Fuck the North Side--I lived in Wrigleyville and it was all rainbow flags and rich people."

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

:o

Boy, between the BJ ramp and the uniondude bar...

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

many x-posts

hey I'm still here too! (and Morbs I will be in Brooklyn in June)

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

hopefully not the part of June when I am in SF! (5/31-6/5)

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

oop sorry I meant September, the 12th - 16th (gettin my wedding dates mixed up)

I will be at whatever June ILX SF fap thing happens fer shure

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

Boy, between the BJ ramp and the uniondude bar... Chicago is a good times playground!

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

haha, yeah, my only chicago trip to date was... eventful.

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

DO TELL.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

haha, ask jaymc

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

by which i mean, he knows the depth of depravity. i did not sleep with jaymc!

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

Was there a union dude on a BJ ramp?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

If there was, I didn't hear that part of the tale.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know even know what a BJ ramp is! I can guess, though

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/CRT/CRT295/15380-06LM.jpg

― remy bean, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. With a ramp like that we could do BJs Across America.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

is that like Hands Across America?

― Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

It sure is...and isn't.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

Best thread ever.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i'm kinda glad this thread turned into the "who all in this bitch is gay" thread i always wanted to start.

― jed_, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

"All my friends are gay, darling, ALL MY FRIENDS ARE GAY!"

― Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 00:59 (nineteen years ago)

I lost my beard last week too
PLEASE GO FIND IT

Best thread ever.
BUT YOU'RE NOT EVEN GAY

(and Morbs I will be in Brooklyn in June)
HEY, I LIVE AN HOUR FROM NYC, TOO. So if you're a bear/otter/cub and chase "french cavemen" than get excited.

I'm drunk and there's no one to flirt with!! I love how most of us are this "Morbs-esque" straight-seeming type. I'm also glad that some seem to live in NYC.

And since this is the GAY thread and FASSBINDER was mentioned, I simply MUST mention "Querelle". It's a (really fuckin' weird) movie by Fassbinder about gay sailors. It's largely incoherent, but there are some hot gay sailor sex scenes.

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:40 (nineteen years ago)

Hours later, but:

Ivan, you're in Chicago, right? I seem to recall you posting once there, and that picture looks like Block 37 on the Dearborn St. side.

Yes, I am. My friend and I took a picture in front of some green fountain.

How old are you?

I'm 19. Plus, I didn't come out until last summer.

― Ivan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm no bear, but we could still flirt for a minute before I go do laundry, if you want.

BTW, WDYLL?

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:44 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, hi, Ivan.

OK, so if you're 19, Thirsty Thursday may not be do-able. Though Old Timers doesn't really card, so who knows.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:46 (nineteen years ago)

BTW, WDYLL?

WDILL? I posted my picture in both this thread and the 3/07WDYLL thread. And Pye Something-or-other said I looked like a french caveman. You just have to click that "Skipping XXX messages at this point..." thing. On second thought, don't do that; I'm marginally hideous and slightly regret posting my picture. Which I never posted so you won't find it here so don't bother looking.

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I'm stupid, that's no reason to yell at me!

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

OH WAIT.

Sweatervest?

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

sadly

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:02 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I'm stupid, that's no reason to yell at me!
Oh, honey, I wasn't yelling. The caps were simply in reply to y[ou]r caps.

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:03 (nineteen years ago)

lucky stevie d. wish i were getting plowed right now instead of having to write this paper. where's a ~~sour apple martini~~ whiskey when you need it?

― impudent harlot, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

What do I look like? WHAT DO I LOOK LIKE?????

"Skipping XXX messages at this point..."

Oh! I was looking for those XXX posts! Off to read them now!

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

OK, so if you're 19, Thirsty Thursday may not be do-able. Though Old Timers doesn't really card, so who knows.

Bah, I don't think I look old enough anyway. I still get carded when I buy cigarettes. The haircut makes me look a bit older than I did before, so it might be doable.

― Ivan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

I still get carded when I buy cigarettes.

grow a beard!! or steal casuistry's since he doesn't need it anymore apparently.

― impudent harlot, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

I'll help you brush up on sounding like you belong to IBEW Local 134 so they'll serve you. Start by growing some stubble, being kind of aggressive with the womenfolk, and saying nigger-jew-little-lady.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:10 (nineteen years ago)

Oh GOD, the bane of my existence is not being able to grow substantial facial hair. I go two weeks without shaving and have some stubble on my face and neck, nothing more. Me being able to grow a beard would be heaven.

― Ivan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

Lots of beards in heaven, this is true.

― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'm happy that I only have to shave like twice a week if I'm not feeling lazy (which I am).

Stevie, stop self-deprecating.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:32 (nineteen years ago)

You are welcome to scrape the remains of my beard from the sink and try to attach them to your face in some way. May they look more appropriate on you than they did on me!

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:32 (nineteen years ago)

lucky stevie d. wish i were getting plowed right now instead of having to write this paper. where's a [/strike]sour apple martini whiskey[/strike] when you need it?

Hah, the reason i'm drukqs on a chewday night is a celebration that my Ultimate Hectic Week (exam on monday after spring break, exam on wed, 5 pg paper due wed, exam friday, exam monday [i.e. major assignment in every class i take]) is FINALLY OVER. And if it makes you feel better I'm drinking green apple smirnoff with sierra mist.

Oh! I was looking for those XXX posts! Off to read them now!
not that kind, you fool. God, that's a freudian slip if i've ever heard one.

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:38 (nineteen years ago)

Oh GOD, the bane of my existence is not being able to grow substantial facial hair
O. MG. thk you thk you thk you. I wholeheartedly agree; I've wanted a beard for forever since I can remember. And if you look at the pix I've posted, I have that scruffy goatee thingy.... that's me not shaving for a month. It just grows into that shape and nothing else. Like straight lines down the side and everything.

Stevie, stop self-deprecating.
I know, i know; it gets annoying to people when I always say how un-good I look But then again, when I try to acknowledge how I really don't look that bad, I'm struck with a ping of foolish naivete (like the kid who's fly is down and everyone's laughing and he doesn't realize why; or the kid that laughs at the joke but really doesn't get it)

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:42 (nineteen years ago)

And if you look at the pix I've posted, I have that scruffy goatee thingy.... that's me not shaving for a month.

Man, if I didn't shave for a month, I'd just look dirty. Be grateful for that "goatee thingy", I can't even grow that.

― Ivan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:47 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, it's ok to have some self-doubt, that seems healthy. But if you insist loudly and constantly that you are completely unattractive, it's basically telling people who think you might be attractive that you think they're idiots. Which maybe is what you're going for, I don't know.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:47 (nineteen years ago)

Awww :-) that was sweet of you. No, that's not what I'm going for.

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 06:53 (nineteen years ago)

So the party happened last night while I was in Seattle, and apparently the person my friend was hoping to hook me up with hooked up instead with his ex. Or something. This strikes me as funnier than it probably ought to.

― Casuistry, Sunday, 1 April 2007 04:17 (nineteen years ago)

I have to just pop in and say I am really fond of this thread :)

― Trayce, Sunday, 1 April 2007 04:37 (nineteen years ago)

You're gay.

― Eric H., Sunday, 1 April 2007 05:35 (nineteen years ago)

Trayce; I'm glad your'e fond of this thread because you're very cute. And I love your nose ring. I hope that you come to new york City and that I can pop over and say hi. Eric H you're a fukken cutie too.

I love this thread super hardcore as well; I was about to revive it in my semi-drunken [that is, 'quite drunken'] state only to delightfully find that it had already been bumped up.

I'm drunk and I was just at this party at Rutgers where there were a lot of cool "my type" people but none of them were gay. And the ones I thought were cute later introduced me to their girlfriends which was a bummer. But I had fun. Yeah; where all the cute gay boys [read: bear/otter/cubs] at?

― Stevie D, Sunday, 1 April 2007 08:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9553/spa1144gf7.jpg

This was me at the "Dress As Your Favorite New Yorker" party. I was Lou Reed (in my ridiculous impossible-to-see-in sunglasses I got at a $1 store, and a simply hideous leather jacket I got for $19.99 at a convenient store [drunk again] in Savannah). This kid thought I was Michael Bloomberg, that dumb fuck. So I was all like "No; 'Sweet Jane', 'Rock & Roll', 'VENUS IN FURS'" and he was still all "...Michael Bloomberg?"

omgwtf.

I'm sooooooooo going to regret this all sober.

― Stevie D, Sunday, 1 April 2007 08:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'll post my photo when I can guarantee my hotness.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 1 April 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

I explored my homosexuality, and that of a German tourist last night. I was all like, "Yo Gunther, get over here and let me explore your homosexuality."

― Jesse, Sunday, 1 April 2007 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

and how did that work out?

― Stevie D, Sunday, 1 April 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse I admire how you live the physical life to the full.

― Mark C, Sunday, 1 April 2007 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

i just asked a boy out to dinner later this week! i'm finding it weirdly easier to do this as i, er, get "older" (i'm 22 - at 19 i could barely say "hi" to people i was interested in)

i know something like six or seven people who go to rutgers and not a 'mo in the bunch. sorry, dude

― impudent harlot, Sunday, 1 April 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

and how did that work out?

Well, my right arm has been tingling all day. I think I did minor (and hopefully temporary!) nerve damage.

― Jesse, Sunday, 1 April 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

We were at a bar, and we kissed. A guy came up to us and asked if he could go home with us and watch us have sex. That was...bold of him.

― Jesse, Sunday, 1 April 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

(i'm 22 - at 19 i could barely say "hi" to people i was interested in)

My situation now. I was at a show last night and was interested in several people, but they'll never know that. It's usually hard for me to determine who's gay/interested back at noise shows though.

― Ivan, Sunday, 1 April 2007 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

That's understandable. I can't imagine approaching someone at a concert unless I was 1000% sure he was gay and interested, not a situation I think would be likely, since it takes courage to approach men even in a gay bar.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

This is where I am contrarian and say that I don't quite understand being interested in someone you haven't actually, you know, talked to.

I spent much of today with my other gay friend and a gay friend of his who is, you know, gay and single and cute enough and neurotic enough that even though I'm really not that excited about him I nevertheless feel obliged to think, "well, maybe?", since after all he's one of the few gay and single and cute enough and neurotic enough people I know. Who haven't already turned me down.

― Casuistry, Monday, 2 April 2007 04:31 (nineteen years ago)

Every day I leave my house I fall in love with men who I have never spoken to. On the train, at work, at the coffee shop.

I was talking to a female friend who also develops crushes on strangers, and we agreed that when the train stops and the guy walks off, we think, "There he goes out of my life forever."

It's heartbreaking, but not too much.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 05:47 (nineteen years ago)

A crush is simply not love.

― Casuistry, Monday, 2 April 2007 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

Even "sparks" aren't love.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

A crush is simply not love.

No shit, you don't say.

That was called "hyperbole."

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

And my point was that it's perfectly reasonable to be interested in someone you haven't spoken to purely on the basis of physical attraction, which is how many, many successful relationships began.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

There's a guy who sits two seats away from me on the bus. Quite cute. Always wearing iPod headphones. Sometimes I think he's gay because he wears turquoise Izods.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'll definitely throw a crush on some random boy at a show or at a bar once in a while, but it's really no use to feel bad about not approaching them. Just file away their dossier in your spank bank, you know?

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

There was a funny Onion (I think) story a few years ago that went something like "Gay couple don't tell their 10th-anniversary party guests that they met in bathroom stall at disco." Not the way to bet, tho.

Jesse, many years ago I had a hookup with a German drag queen -- he was in male civvies -- who was in town for Wigstock. No voyeurs around, tho.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha to Onion article, and to "spank bank."

Was he in drag at all? Face? I don't think I could sleep with a guy in drag.

I was talking to a couple of female friends on Saturday about how most of the three of our LTRs began with what was supposed to be a 1-night stand. On the other hand, 0 my LTRs have been the result of a proper date.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

No, he was in t-shirt and jeans. Legs like a speedskater.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

Test.

(The Chicago thread is only showing up in all italics!)

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Weird. We're broken over there.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

And my point was that it's perfectly reasonable to be interested in someone you haven't spoken to purely on the basis of physical attraction, which is how many, many successful relationships began.

I'm not saying it's unreasonable, just that it requires that when you find someone attractive, you think that means something beyond finding them attractive (such as, that you would enjoy fucking them, or that they might be an interesting person), which isn't so much how it works for me. But apparently for most people it does work that way.

― Casuistry, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

Well, you don't know for sure that it means anything beyond that, but that's why you approach them and find out. And if it does mean anything beyond that, then it's awesome, because you already find them attractive.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

You're a helluva cheerleader, jaymc.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

The thing that's easier in NY is that so many "professionally attractive" gay men move here, you know instinctively who's out of yr league -- those guys only fuck each other -- so that leaves the 'offbeat attractive' types to flirt with each other.

Still not easy, obv.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

I think Morbius should romance all his conquests via long-distance line anyway, he has a GREAT phone voice. Usually we're shouting at each other at bars so I never noticed!

― Laurel, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

that wd be very dangerous, Laurel, but thanks. :D

"conquests"

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Well, you don't know for sure that it means anything beyond that, but that's why you approach them and find out.

Versus approaching the people I find not attractive but not unattractive, who might also prove to be attractive after getting to know them. It seems about as likely, based on past experience. And far more rewarding!

― Casuistry, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Well, that's rad if that works for you. I learned the hard way that if I don't have an initial physical attraction to someone, it's hard to surmount later, even if I find them attractive in other ways.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

i have to agree with jay on this. it's never worked for me the other way round.

― jed_, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

It's pretty much only worked for me that way. But then again it's mostly been testable that way. The number of times I've thought someone across the room, so to speak, was attractive and something came of it are few; the number of times it's been sustainable have been possibly zero. The number of times someone has expressed interest in me and I've thought "well, it's not totally implausible, let's go for it" and I eventually became explicitly attracted to them have also been few, but some of those times were sustainable. The number of times I've met someone and not been especially attracted to them, but after knowing them for a while (days, weeks, months) started finding them attractive have been not few, but so far that scenario has never led to anything physical happening, alas.

― Casuistry, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

But obviously YMMV!

― Casuistry, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone ever hit on someone without realizing he was straight? Anything bad ever happen?

― Stevie D, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

It's happened more often to me than hitting on a gay man and realizing he was boring.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

Nothing bad has happened outside of being turned down. Which can be pretty bad, but it's a reasonable sort of bad.

― Casuistry, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

I'm definitely a flirt, but I don't really "hit on" people, never figured out how that works

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know that I ever really "hit on" anyone. Frequently, however, I will have conversation with a guy and think, "wow, this is going well, and he's hot," and then I find out he's straight. A good judge of whether a guy is straight is if I am attracted to him.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

Heh!

― Casuistry, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

the mind is a muscle!

― strgn, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

have u heard william orbit

― strgn, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

built guys who are "smart" too c/d

then again, i'd hit it if the book were a thousand plateaus and the man didn't swill protein shakes.

― strgn, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

Like, I'm happy to sit around talking Gibbon, but not in my boxers. But I also have a spare tire and think "male bonding" is ridiculous. And Scarlatti gets monotonous quickly.

― Casuistry, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:30 (nineteen years ago)

The whole thing sounds like it would be too contrived to ever work for me, even without my spare tire.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

^^^ ditto everything

there were a few straight guys in college in required civ classes who treated "discussion" as an extension of homosocial fratty behavior, lots of bonding going on over plato and stuff. when is the brain really the penis, etc., and when do shirts come off. i can never talk about anything in that context; it shuts me down.

― strgn, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

A good judge of whether a guy is straight is if I am attracted to him.

I feel like I've otm'd this too many times already this thread but it's still true. I guess I get excited when I find other ppl are in the same predicament.

― Stevie D, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like I also don't get the homosocial concept.

― Casuistry, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Did I say this before? If so, forgive me, but sometimes there are guys I know FOR SURE are totally gay and I think, "finally, I'm really attracted to a guy who is actually gay!" And then you find out that such superhot superfags as

http://www.studentnet.hr/uploads/dogadjaji/20050410125529xiu_xiu.jpg http://radcompany.net/Storys/NewsStorys/XiuXiu/XiuJamie-P-TSA.jpg

have a girlfriends.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

i had no idea jamie looked so good, and i've even seen the band before! stuff like that just confuses me, but then i'm kind of a sexual and social latebloomer so any ambiguity tends to (still) leave me in a fog. i've never had v. good "gaydar" and i tend not to trust people who say they do.

― strgn, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

OK, this whole time I thought you were Jess, but now I'm confused.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

(Jamie Stewart looks a little like homo ILXor Drew Daniel in that second photo.)

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:18 (nineteen years ago)

Hey guys, to interrupt rudely and outwhine you for no reason, I have no friends of any stripe in town. I lead a lonely life, but in the list of "all I wanna have" is not another baby, nor even a first.

― Abbott, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

haha i already whined about it upthread. no babies for me either. a dog on the other hand...

― strgn, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:37 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc just put me down as an instance of a type

― strgn, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:38 (nineteen years ago)

It's the TYPE of the INSTANCE for lo-ving!

― Abbott, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

i had no idea jamie looked so good

That fucker has it all. He's HOTT, he screeches onstage in a way that I like, and he seems like a nice guy. But having read some interviews, I can imagine there are issues that underlying the content of the lyrics that might make being his SO more work than some people would care for.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

I mean HOTTTTTTTT. He's a treat to watch live, sweating, veins popping, his eyes rolling back in his head.

Re-reading that, it sounds like it could be un-sexy, but it's v. sexy.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:45 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't know that was the Xiu Xiu guy, but he def stole Drew Daniel's haircut.

You'd think a spare tire would be handy for resting Decline and Fall upon...

Let's start a Spare Tire Club!

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'm working on making myself inelligible for membership in that club. Dannon Light & Fit for breakfast, and a jog if the rain ever stops.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

WTG Jesse! I'm also working on slimming down a little. I'm on my 4th week of exercising regularly (at least 5x/week so far) and eating much healthier. I'm already seeing some results, but I've got quite a long way to go, it seems.

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Now if I could only quit the cigarettes...

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

me: you need to eat more than just light and fit for breakfast
Jesse: fuck you

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Jen: Since you're already ugly, I need you to be fat so that you'll never have a boyfriend, and that way I can have you all to myself, BWAH-HA-HA! Come eat this flourless cake!!!!

(paraphrased)

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

elmo, smokes keep the wate off. (and knock off the worst years of yr life)

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse: I hope none of the people on that gay thread find out I'm really a syphillitic octogenarian cat hording evangelical Christian woman on house arrest for shoplifting disposable douche!

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

smoking is also expensive, and seeing as I have family history of both heart & lung disease, best to stop soon :(

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe none of you have any gay friends because your stupid straight friends are always busting into the middle of your parties acting like assholes and drawing attention to themselves.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe none of you have any gay friends because your stupid ~~straight~~ gay friends are always busting into the middle of your parties acting like assholes and drawing attention to themselves.

Fixed.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

hey, I have gay friends. Also, Casuistry starts the thread saying he has TWO! That's plenty.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc just put me down as an instance of a type

I don't know what that means...?

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

I think he might mean one of the aforementioned (and quite poorly-named) "Dr. Morbius" types

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

I agree, poorly named... don't want to be the adjective for an archetype.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

I think we were talking about the Jesse-Morbius/Morbius-Jesse type of gay-but-doesn't-seem-so homo. It's gained currency in some parts of the ILX.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

I think I'm mistaken.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse: I hope none of the people on that gay thread find out I'm really a syphillitic octogenarian cat hording evangelical Christian woman on house arrest for shoplifting disposable douche!

I already knew this, of course.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Oh okay. I was just confused because I thought strgn = strongo hulkington = Jess Harvell = not gay, as far as I know.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

You're confusing him with strngn.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

(Apparently previous reports of dude-my-friend-wanted-me-to-hook-up-with and my-friend's-ex hooking up were wildly exaggerated. My friend is hosting a non-gay-exclusing brunch on Sunday where I will meet him. I'm making brioche for the French toast.)

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 03:44 (nineteen years ago)

i want to make a tart for my dinner date on thursday. what kind of tarts do gays eat? gimme gay tart ideas, you buncha gays.

(i'm making him make me ravioli)

― impudent harlot, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 04:00 (nineteen years ago)

ooh actually, i have this peach cinnamon crumble recipe that i still haven't tried out yet...

― impudent harlot, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 04:01 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah made a great apricot and cherry cobbler. That's not quite a tart, but whatever. Go to the Chicago thread and admire it.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

ooh, that cobbler is fucking NICE

― impudent harlot, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 07:00 (nineteen years ago)

I've never done tarts or cobblers but I have the most AMAZING apple pie/crumble recipe (it's like a cross between apple pie and apple crisp). It's DIVINE!

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 09:16 (nineteen years ago)

Make it and serve it hot with a scoop of french vanilla ice cream and he will sex you up so hxc.

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 09:17 (nineteen years ago)

My history with this pie:

my dad, who really doens't like apple pie, said it was absolutley to die for and that he wanted one for his birthday instead of cake.

my friend at school, who I brought some in for, tried one bite and said that there was an orgasm in her mouth, and insisted that she hire me to live in her house and make them for her.

uhhh and everyone else loves it to pieces.

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

I can't possibly make an "orgasm in her mouth" joke on the gay thread, can I :(

― Mark C, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 09:47 (nineteen years ago)

You could if you were witty enough. What've you got?

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 09:50 (nineteen years ago)

Oh god I'm not witty! Im not thinking beyond sub-Perry crudeness, possibly written in hilarious capital letters. Maybe accompanied by a picture of a fat marine mammal.

― Mark C, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

I can't make anything but spaghetti and pancakes, more of he's-not-gay paradigm? (or I'm just pathetically lazy)

what kind of tarts do gays eat?

:o

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

Never made a pie. I think maybe I'll try it, though baking is not that fun when your kitchen has literally no countertops at all.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a decent cook (i.e. I try to cook at least four times a week) and enjoy "The Barefoot Contessa." Does this make me queenly?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, right, hating Barton Fink means I'm straight.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse, you can come over and make pie at our house!

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

Klaus Nomi Key Lime Tart

― elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

You're really inviting me over to make pie? I don't know if you've ever seen me cook, but it's...frenetic.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

My specialty pie is an apple cranberry pie.

You can never go wrong with a lemon tart, although that's more of a summer thing I guess.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a decent cook (i.e. I try to cook at least four times a week) and enjoy "The Barefoot Contessa." Does this make me queenly?

uhm I do this too

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know what "The Barefoot Contessa" is. I mean, I'm sure it's faaaaaabulous or whatever.

― Casuistry, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

She's the "sexiest woman" on the Food Network

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, me three. Ina Garten should be on like every gay man's top 10 list. She is so pleasant and enjoyable to watch. And she always has gay couples over for brunches and meals! She's almost as awesome as Paula Deen.

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

Paula Deen doesn't need to invite any gay couples over cuz she's already got her two sons

― Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

I was willing to accept Bea Arthur but the game is not fun anymore.

― Casuistry, Thursday, 5 April 2007 00:15 (nineteen years ago)

Something about her title bothers me a little, but I've never really seen her show.

I met a gay guy at work whom I am trying to make my BFF (not to be mistaken with BF), but he's not really taking the bait. We had the whole, "they're going to take away my gay card" conversation.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

i keep confusing paula deen and ina garten (i think due to my not really liking either of them)

and you people who hate bea arthur, wtf is wrong with you

― impudent harlot, Thursday, 5 April 2007 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

whoa the new issue of martha stewart living's everyday food (WHICH I SUBSCRIBE TO, YES) has a key lime tart recipe in it!

― impudent harlot, Thursday, 5 April 2007 05:11 (nineteen years ago)

No one hates Bea Arthur.

― Casuistry, Thursday, 5 April 2007 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

ILX: Even the gay guys who aren't all that gay are still kinda gay.

― Casuistry, Thursday, 5 April 2007 05:12 (nineteen years ago)

my house is such a mess too. i probably should have rescheduled this.

― impudent harlot, Thursday, 5 April 2007 05:13 (nineteen years ago)

Key limes sound awesome but they're actually not as good as regular limes. And they're tiny bitches.

― Casuistry, Thursday, 5 April 2007 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

i keep confusing paula deen and ina garten
Paula Deen: "xxxxxxxxxx, y'all"
Ina Garten: "Make sure you use quality xxxxxxx :) *cute bangs*"

learn it, love it, live it.

OK after being like a reader of this thread and everything, I find this so immensely ironic. Can someone PLEASE take a picture/video of two skinny hairy indie boys holding hands? PLEASE?!?

― Stevie D, Thursday, 5 April 2007 06:47 (nineteen years ago)

That is way too fucking adorable.

― Casuistry, Thursday, 5 April 2007 07:08 (nineteen years ago)

Oh it is not!!! I don't get what's so fucking cute about it! Two REAL (gayish) otters holding hands would be 10x more so.

― Stevie D, Thursday, 5 April 2007 07:16 (nineteen years ago)

It's all about the ending, really.

But I think you're looking for a different kind of cute.

― Casuistry, Thursday, 5 April 2007 07:21 (nineteen years ago)

oh, that is just the best thing ever. my god.

― jed_, Thursday, 5 April 2007 12:20 (nineteen years ago)

I enjoy "The Barefoot Contessa."

It's a different kind of gay to think of that lousy Bogart-Ava Gardner movie first, right?

sorry, BFF?

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

I don't even know who Paula Deen or Ina Garten are!

You guys are gay.

― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

Elmo, one thing I realized recently: if someone mentions a celebrity that I've never heard of, they're probably on the Food Network.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

so true! Or "American Idol."

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

"BFF?" What?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9koeZGK3mk&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fprofile%2Emyspace%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ecfm%3Ffuseaction%3Duser%2Eviewprofile%26friendid%3D370395

Too lazy to make a link. Or provide a description. Just watch.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Or they just won an Oscar!

OK, I do not do a good job keeping up with celebrities.

― Casuistry, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse wtf was that? That was kinda odd.

― Stevie D, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

I was pretty sure it was entirely for you.

― Casuistry, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

there's a cuet indie otter-type (beard, shaved head, ear loops, skinny jeans) what works at the local Whole Foods. I would totally make out w/ him.

― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know wtf it is, but I found it while searching for Antony and the Johnsons videos on Youtube.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

I went to meet my Otter Friend at a bar tonight and it turned out to be Queer Night. And I was looking around mostly noticing how much of the crowd were indie otter types. I mean it was a decent mix of people and types (although mostly people under 40 or so). So perhaps Stevie would have been happy there.

This is what I seem to do in such situations -- I try to look for people who I think people I know would be interested in.

― Casuistry, Friday, 6 April 2007 08:31 (nineteen years ago)

Perhaps I would've. Why do you live in Chicago and not New York??

― Stevie D, Friday, 6 April 2007 09:09 (nineteen years ago)

I live in Portland. Jesse lives in Chicago.

― Casuistry, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

And I will be in New York this summer. And because Portland is awesome. Etc.

― Casuistry, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

So are you like friends w/ the Dandies and stuff?

― Stevie D, Friday, 6 April 2007 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

I went to the stripper bar with a couple of girls last night. The boys are never cute. Man-boobs, redneck, skinny boy were the attractions last night. And pervy old men. But it was not crowded and they had cheap drinks, so we stayed.

― Jesse, Friday, 6 April 2007 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

lex and i can't be the only uk gays, surely?

― jed_, Friday, 6 April 2007 21:58 (nineteen years ago)

my dinner date on thursday

this went verrrrry nicely, i must say

― impudent harlot, Friday, 6 April 2007 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

in the end i opted for the apple-blueberry crisp

― impudent harlot, Friday, 6 April 2007 23:22 (nineteen years ago)

lex and i can't be the only uk gays, surely?

[insert old-skool Mark C joke].

― Casuistry, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:20 (nineteen years ago)

Indie Rock Bears Fuckin' Oi!~

― Jesse, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:21 (nineteen years ago)

ah, of course, causistry.

― jed_, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

You are Jinglesource and I claim my $5.

― Casuistry, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

I love gay men they make the probability of getting any chicks when were out drinking highter.

lesbians on the other hand...are the devil.

― wesley useche, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:48 (nineteen years ago)

i can say with some positivity that my presence has never helped any of my straight friends get laid

― impudent harlot, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

Everyone at Queer Night who I thought was cute turned out to be a lesbian. This is very, very typical.

― Casuistry, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:52 (nineteen years ago)

lex and i can't be the only uk gays, surely?

[insert old-skool Mark C joke]

Wait, what?

― Mark C, Saturday, 7 April 2007 09:07 (nineteen years ago)

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― Casuistry, Saturday, 7 April 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

I just finished reading this entire thread, and though I'm a little late to arrive, I thought I should de-lurk to add myself to the gay list. So, hello!

― art hums, Saturday, 7 April 2007 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Does 268 mentions allow me honorary status?

― Mark C, Saturday, 7 April 2007 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, and to introduce myself. I'm Arturo, 24, and currently living in Spain but originally from the U.S. Hey.

― art hums, Saturday, 7 April 2007 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

Well, let's put it this way:

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― Casuistry, Saturday, 7 April 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Arturo in Spain but originally from the U.S.

I hear Spain is nice in its way but I've never been. I did see that movie "Barcelona" though.

― Casuistry, Saturday, 7 April 2007 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

Allo Allo. Is it Arturo? Is that what we call him?

― Stevie D, Saturday, 7 April 2007 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

getting an ill-advised buzzcut at a levi/leather bar on thursday means i'm keeping my ugly mug at home this weekend. buzzes are hardly ever ok, except if it's summer in nebraska and you're under 18 or if you're over 40 and retired military. i need a hat.

― strgn, Saturday, 7 April 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

You got a haircut at a Jewish leather bar?

― Casuistry, Saturday, 7 April 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Oh I firmly, firmly disagree.

― Stevie D, Saturday, 7 April 2007 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

haha I WISH it were a jewish leather bar. heavy grade yarmulkes w/ racing stripes! extra zippers and buckles! or, better yet, rubber.

i would have stopped in, looked around, and left, but i heard 'psycho killer' and 'transmission' back-to-back, and there were $1.50 beerz, so i ended up staying and the buzz started to sound like a good idea in no time at all.

― strgn, Saturday, 7 April 2007 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.yarmulkes.com/images/sports.jpg

― strgn, Saturday, 7 April 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

i'm waiting for a picture.

― Stevie D, Saturday, 7 April 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

;_;

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y153/struggin/me.jpg

― strgn, Saturday, 7 April 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

That doesn't seem like an unreasonable haircut.

― Casuistry, Saturday, 7 April 2007 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that's not bad at all.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 April 2007 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

i just miss my long(er) locks! do people here know stuff about hair? or did we establish that we don't in the hetero-fag discussion? rather than lady-friends asking me for hair advice, i will sometimes ask them to their occasionally slight annoyance. i want jesse-casuistry-stevie shag or elmo waves.

― strgn, Saturday, 7 April 2007 21:43 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, if you want my hair, all you need to do is not really care about it excessively.

― Casuistry, Sunday, 8 April 2007 03:12 (nineteen years ago)

Ditto.

I've alwyas thought buzz cuts looked best on people though. I guess it goes with that whole otter thing.

― Stevie D, Sunday, 8 April 2007 07:38 (nineteen years ago)

ITS APRIL 2007 WDYLL GAY??????

― Stevie D, Sunday, 8 April 2007 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

Settle down, Stevie.

― Casuistry, Sunday, 8 April 2007 08:45 (nineteen years ago)

And/or get on AIM and entertain me while I spend the next two hours baking bread.

― Casuistry, Sunday, 8 April 2007 08:55 (nineteen years ago)

I love the haircut I've been getting for the past few months. Short on the sides (#2 clipper) fading into about 2 inches on top, a heavy run-through with texturizing shears (I have really fine hair, so I need texture). Then I use the least greasy wax I can find (American Crew something or other).

I like the buzz cut, btw.

― Jesse, Sunday, 8 April 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yay to the baking bread. I should make some myself, maybe later.

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 April 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

As to hair, of course my approach is best. Wait, why are you all looking at me like that?

― Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 April 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

God, no, it came out so amateurish. I am really displeased (although it will be fine, especially since it's going to be french toastified). I can do better, but it's been so long since I've flexed these muscles and I was so pressed for time that I just wasn't as careful as I wanted to be. Although also it was fun and I'm glad I did it and I am pretty sure the flavor should be just fine (although I've never used this recipe before so who knows) (but it doesn't matter, it will be french toastified).

I braided each loaf in a different way! (There are 5 loaves.) That was fun.

So staying up until 4:30 when I had to get up at more or less 8 in order to get to this brunch where now, because this is my fourth night in a row with inadequate sleep, I will have terribly conversational skills, and will have to rely on sleepy headed Joel Robinson charm. Especially if I want to impress this guy my friend is thinking I should hook up with, which, really, who knows if I even want to?

― Casuistry, Sunday, 8 April 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Hair is important to me because sex is important.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 8 April 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

(Jenny's comment in the WDYLL thread makes me realize: I have more gay friends in Chicago than in Portland!)

― Casuistry, Sunday, 8 April 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Spain is nice in its own way. I've been living in Andalucia for about six months now, but I'll be heading back home in the summer. I think. I've never seen the movie Barcelona, but I was just listening to I'm From Barcelona.

Oh, and I'd say that's a nice buzzcut. I've always wanted to give myself a buzzcut, but I don't think I could pull it off very well.

― art hums, Sunday, 8 April 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

That was some damn good french toast.

― Casuistry, Monday, 9 April 2007 00:33 (nineteen years ago)

You see? It all works out. You coulda made garlic bread with it too. That always works. Or croutons.

― Stevie D, Monday, 9 April 2007 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

strgn, that looks fine on you.

I need to get mine cut this week, as I'm godfather at a baptism next week and shaggy unkempt gay godfather is not what my sister wants.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 9 April 2007 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

Well, the guy I was supposed to meet didn't show up, so maybe it doesn't all work out, although who knows, maybe it does.

― Casuistry, Monday, 9 April 2007 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

Also everyone should post their profiles for gay.com or manhunt.net or gaydar.co.uk or whatever the kids use these days and we can all be collectively horrified and/or aroused. No, wait, let's not do that.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 07:23 (nineteen years ago)

Let's just post pictures in this thread since its APRIL 2007 WDYLL

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 07:38 (nineteen years ago)

Just look at any of my old beardless photos, that's what I look like now. My looks really haven't changed much in the past three or four years.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 07:41 (nineteen years ago)

Casuistry you are ruining this!! This is supposed to be fun!
WTFs yr name anyhow? I'm steve. Not stevie. I signed up thinking i could change it later. boo.

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 07:44 (nineteen years ago)

My name is Chris. My lesbian friends in New York call me Steve but you don't need to worry about that.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

You know this whole convo-on-gay-thread isn't working. Let's AIM. READYSETGO.

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 07:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a UK gay as well! (tho I only really lurk on this board and don't post much). I live in N London, have gay and straight friends, like going to gay and straight bars/clubs etc and need a haircut...

― markco, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 08:58 (nineteen years ago)

my straight friends went out on friday night to what it transpired was a gay night. i on the other hand chose to go to a house party full of straights. though that was pretty good and i stayed up until 2pm, so no regrets.

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 09:36 (nineteen years ago)

we went round a few bars in camden on thurs night (and bumped into amy winehouse, who appeared to be v drunk, surprise surprise) and wanted to go somewhere different on sunday, so we tried horsemeat disco in vauxhall but couldn't get in due to massive queue

― markco, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 10:41 (nineteen years ago)

I agree with Steve, let's have some WDYLL action. That said, I'm busy packing (going to Mich. to visit my mom) so I will just direct you here http://flickr.com/. But I do have some delightful pics on my camera that need to be shared. Someday.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 11:34 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and my name is Jesse. I live in Chicago.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 12:23 (nineteen years ago)

Hair is important to me because sex is important.

Hmmmm, there was no linkage between me and my bedhead there. Not til about 5 years ago, at least.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

When I inevitably grow bald, I'll join Gore Vidal in waspish obsolescence ("As one ages, litigation replaces sex in sensual satisfaction").

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

But there are baldie chasers!

I plan of having a big Irish head of white hair.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'll outdo you on that front Morbs.

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

upcoming queer fest in RI: a good place to meet strange fruits y/n?

QURASH is an all inclusive event for creatively inclined queer-ish folk (differently-abled, femmes, XXBoys, punx, phags, kinksters, trannies, tran-arquers, pirates, dirt fags, scatologists, wingnuts, sex positive educators, capitalist buckers, barterers, feminists, DIY'ers, alchemists, shape shifters, mutants, cyborgs, beards, skirts, sex workers, vegans, queer punx, bike punks, queerz, transbears, T-Phags, kinky jews, queer phags, mudpuppies, vegans, rednecks who don't suck, new york freaks, performance artists, southern gents, punk rockers, micro-greens, parsnips, beets, Rhonda Small, Famina Potens, seltzer and anyone else interested in bending "the man" over a barrel).

http://www.as220.org/~john/

Includes a film fest, workshops, art, music, spoken word, etc. I'll try to check it out, seems interesting enough.

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

un chant d'amour is playing = you should go

― impudent harlot, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

elmo, don't trust the vegan potluck. and oh boy, pirates.

also, un chant d'amour just came out on DVD.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

haha the film fest is on 4/20 so I'll be most likely be blazed out of my gourd. sorry to disappoint, Morbs.

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

? Sounds too much like the 'Gay Shame' events they usta have here in Dumbo, which always worked better on paper.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

still, this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pride

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

what are "tran-arquers"? the only hits google returns are that exact piece of text elmo posted

― impudent harlot, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Set the bar low, Elmo.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

no clue! don't know what a "mudpuppy" is either. xpost

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

i'll check it out but who knows? it could suck or it might be ok. hopefully i'll be able to get someone to attend with me.

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

An "arquero" is Spanish for archer, I guss; maybe "tran-arquers" is a weird way of saying "tranny chasers of Latino heritage".

UrbanDictionary suggests "mudpuppy" might be a synonym for "chocolate chaser", but then again it's UrbanDictionary...

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

"mudpuppies" also seems to been military slang for Marines, q.v. "leatherneck"?

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

or maybe they just mean really filthy hippies.

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Or, my first guess, shitfreaks.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

So they're equating gays with scatologists?

― Mark C, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

No, they're including scatologists in the category of queers.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

guys i don't want to go to a scatfest f0_o

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure they'll have a separate tent.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/B000063WD6.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_SS500_.jpg

Will they be playing?
That was so the first thing I thought of.
I wonder what the Parsnip and Beet-chasers are like.

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

BANDS:

Drab (Providence),www.myspace.com/drab

Rhane Alexander and The Degenerettes (Baltimore, All-girl powerpop stomp and shout!) www.rahne.com, http://www.myspace.com/thedegenerettes

Nicky Click (Boston), http://www.myspace.com/nickyclick

The Punks (Brooklyn / Portland, OR), www.myspace.com/thepunks

Midnight 1,2,3 (Providence), www.myspace.com/midnightonetwothree

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

not sure what the name QURASH is about besides a pun on CRASH. Google reveals it is also a prominent Arab clan name?

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Dudes I love this thread.

Do you think women and gay men tend to be by and large attracted to different types? In my younger days, when I was rather more a catch than I am today, I never had men coming on to me, even in gay bars and clubs, but I did okay with girls. As people who know me will testify, it wouldn't take a great leap to think I was gay, and yet I can only remember one time in my life when I've been explicitly chatted up by a bloke (I was wearing a tight t-shirt and talking about going to London's premier gayndie club on the late 90s at the time).

― Mark C, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Gay men like bigger sluts.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what the Parsnip and Beet-chasers are like.

something like... this?

http://bp2.blogger.com/_ST-nsix4R7U/Rcsv1hxLS6I/AAAAAAAAAKk/aBB3WKVyUCc/s1600-h/vibe-4.jpg

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

damnit

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

That was sorta weird.

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

This thread rules. Let's all get 'threadid=52825' tattoos.

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

Elmo, is that a sex toy or a bong? Or both?

Do you think women and gay men tend to be by and large attracted to different types?

Yes, women like gay men and gay men like straight guys. See your anecdote for further evidence.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

definitely a sex toy. more here: http://www.homemade-sex-toys.com/vibrator/

this is pretty hilarious:
http://www.homemade-sex-toys.com/vibrator/img/vibe-5.jpg

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.homemade-sex-toys.com/vibrator/img/vibe-8.jpg

Papaya Pussy's better

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

As people who know me will testify, it wouldn't take a great leap to think I was gay, and yet I can only remember one time in my life when I've been explicitly chatted up by a bloke (I was wearing a tight t-shirt and talking about going to London's premier gayndie club on the late 90s at the time

And nothing happened?!? lol indie

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 10 April 2007 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

on a further unrelated point, i hav discovered in the last three hours that tuessday night is gay night in castlebar, co mayo, ireland.

or maybe it was cos i wore a work shirt out or something.

― darraghmac, Wednesday, 11 April 2007 02:36 (nineteen years ago)

I was gonna post pix but realized I'm wearing that same stupid outfit with the sweater vest (which is only the second time i've ever worn it. and my friends just happened to take a buncha pix of me. wtf)

― Stevie D, Thursday, 12 April 2007 05:15 (nineteen years ago)

Embrace yourself

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 12 April 2007 05:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://kuci.org/~nraggett/nedwedding.jpg

― svend, Thursday, 12 April 2007 05:51 (nineteen years ago)

But the sweatervest is awesome.

― Casuistry, Thursday, 12 April 2007 07:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1475/n8818036344650724979ne7.jpg

come on ppl I can't be the only one.

― Stevie D, Thursday, 12 April 2007 08:05 (nineteen years ago)

I suddenly regret posting that.

― Stevie D, Thursday, 12 April 2007 08:05 (nineteen years ago)

I love your outfit!

― Mark C, Thursday, 12 April 2007 11:00 (nineteen years ago)

I will post soon. When I return from the Dial-up wilderness of Michigan's lower peninsula.

― Jesse, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

lime hoodie A+

― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 12 April 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

also: cuet

― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 12 April 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

I pretty much dress exactly like Stevie D every day although my hoodie is less lime and more neon

― Catsupppppppppppppp dude ‫茄蕃‪, Thursday, 12 April 2007 22:12 (nineteen years ago)

The hoodie looks more chartreuse to me. But maybe I'm wrong.

― Jesse, Thursday, 12 April 2007 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

Who is Catsup dude? Welcome to this thread.

― Casuistry, Friday, 13 April 2007 02:49 (nineteen years ago)

Catsup dude is That Who Is Jon W., unless my crack-smoking has reached danger levels again.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 April 2007 02:57 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it has, but that's a different story.

― Casuistry, Friday, 13 April 2007 03:05 (nineteen years ago)

Mean. (I got a mystery call from Jake earlier regarding a wine party and delivering a lecture on Kajagoogoo.)

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 April 2007 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

not v. good but recent

http://flickr.com/photos/eo2/451470130/

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 13 April 2007 05:06 (nineteen years ago)

fucker.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/184/451470130_8a3eaf3c8a.jpg

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 13 April 2007 05:07 (nineteen years ago)

A wine party or just a tasting at the Grocery Outlet?

Has anyone put up a picture on this thread without massive amounts of apology first, yet?

― Casuistry, Friday, 13 April 2007 05:10 (nineteen years ago)

Elmo you are always v handsome.

― Mark C, Friday, 13 April 2007 09:51 (nineteen years ago)

I can't thrown down if this is now a fashion thread.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 13 April 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

But this is a self-deprecation thread.

― Casuistry, Friday, 13 April 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone put up a picture on this thread without massive amounts of apology first, yet?

i don't think i did but i can't be bothered to confirm this

― impudent harlot, Saturday, 14 April 2007 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

I challenge all NYC no-gay-friendz-in-towners to meet me at Milton Parker's live music concert with Zeena Parkins at 107 (or is it 109?) Suffolk street this Sunday evening!

I will be there. Let's all not have gay friends in town together at this non-gay music event. And stuff.

― Drew Daniel, Saturday, 14 April 2007 06:34 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think Jesse did either. I don't remember whether I did. Damn my rhetorical excesses.

― Casuistry, Saturday, 14 April 2007 07:11 (nineteen years ago)

xpost that sounds like fun. I should so hop the NE Corridor and pop in for the evening. Can we be not 21 or over?

― Stevie D, Saturday, 14 April 2007 12:43 (nineteen years ago)

I apologized for being SO FUCKING SEXY THAT YOU ALL SLID RIGHT OFF YOUR CHAIRS WITH THE JEANS-CREAMING.

And for being hideous.

― Jesse, Saturday, 14 April 2007 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, I am being a gay godfather in Connecticut this weekend, DD.

― Dr Morbius, Saturday, 14 April 2007 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

Reading this thread has convinced me that i am the most stereotypical fag on ILX.

― Tim F, Sunday, 15 April 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

As long as you wear pink and like ABBA there's hope, Tim.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 15 April 2007 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

someone has to represent.

― Tim F, Sunday, 15 April 2007 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. This dipped thread dipped off of the New Answers page! Let's not let that ever happen again! We're need to be HERE as well as queer.

― Jesse, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

As long as you wear pink and like ABBA

i have a pink screenprinted TAKE A CHANCE ON ME shirt. i wear it, on average, once a year.

― impudent harlot, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

when I was 12, I liked ABBA a little bit. Downhill from there.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

See? All we needed was a little jump start.

― Jesse, Monday, 16 April 2007 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

I enjoy ABBA. The only reason I don't wear pink is not because it looks gay, but the opposite--I see a lot of frat boys wearing it and it turned me off.

― Jesse, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:00 (nineteen years ago)

When I was 12 I couldn't stand ABBA. I have mellowed since.

I am glad Jesse is back on this thread. Are you back from the mitten?

― Casuistry, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

wait i like abba sometimes

― river wolf, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

WIRED: coral pink
TIRED: fuchsia
EXPIRED: powder pink

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

TRUST ME

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

We must make Venn diagrams.

I could agree with that assessment of pinks, I suppose. Coral looks good with my skin tone.

― Jesse, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

the venn diagrams for str8s/gays who like abba etc

― Jesse, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

who else couldn't ID those pinks even with a helpful chart?

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

I distrust pinks. They are not earthtones.

― Casuistry, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

Was it cool for gay people ten years ago? Then it is cool for frat boys now. (Also it was cool for Canadian gay people five years ago.)

― Casuistry, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Shades_of_pink

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

NO PANTONE NO PEACE!

― Casuistry, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

I figured out what "navy blue" is about 5 years ago.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Bah. Come on. Coral pink = looks like the color of pink coral. Fuscia is fuscia. Powder pink is pink that looks powrdery.

― Jesse, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Like I see coral in Brooklyn!

Telling those pinks apart is harder than distinguishing all those genres of awful dance music.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pink#Shades_of_pink_color_comparison_chart

learn it, love it.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

I AM NOT DISCUSSING PINK ON THE INTERNET.

― Casuistry, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

I bought Missundastood

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Bristol_Stool_Chart.png/460px-Bristol_Stool_Chart.png
is better

― Stevie D, Monday, 16 April 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

haha, if you say so.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 16 April 2007 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

This thread used to be so classy.

― Casuistry, Monday, 16 April 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

My first girlfriend, when I was a freshman in high school, once asked me to name some of my favorite colors. I said teal, coral, and lavender. It ended up being for a bracelet that she made me, which looked pretty girly and so I never wore it (we also broke up like two weeks later). I did genuinely like those colors, though.

― jaymc, Monday, 16 April 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

You just liked colors with pretty names! Periwinkle and chartreuse were runners up, I bet.

― Casuistry, Monday, 16 April 2007 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

Teal, coral, and lavender? So gay!

― Stevie D, Monday, 16 April 2007 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

Fag!

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 16 April 2007 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

I wear a fair amount of pink, although it's not automatically gay-signifying, it is dangerous though because many shades of it are associated with yr more aggressive, rudimentary kind of jock - esp. salmon. I fear coral is going this way as well. The pink I tend to wear (possibly powdery?) is very pale, like something white that's been through the wash with something pink.

Jaymc those are good colours! Lavender is an excellent colour for t-shirts etc.

― Tim F, Monday, 16 April 2007 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

In Miami "teal" = Dolphins.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 16 April 2007 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

btw any of my new BFF on this thread in Seattle this weekend?

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 16 April 2007 22:52 (nineteen years ago)

I think Ned will be. But I'm not heading up for the scary thing.

― Casuistry, Monday, 16 April 2007 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

I hope Ned wears lavender, teal, and coral.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Monday, 16 April 2007 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

They're all purple to him.

― Casuistry, Monday, 16 April 2007 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

wow, the thread title came true for me! I invited gay friends to meet me in the town of NYC and NO ONE CAME. Truly, I have no gay friends in town.

:(

― Drew Daniel, Monday, 16 April 2007 23:48 (nineteen years ago)

many xposts

if we're going by level of ABBA adoration as indicator of gayness, then you might as well just call me mary and get it overwith

sorry drew! the rain fucked up most of the subways near me. plus being outside was kind of unbearable.

― impudent harlot, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 00:54 (nineteen years ago)

Plus I won't be in NYC until June.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 01:05 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, Drew! :(

If I had earlier notice of your talk & a possible NYCgayFAP I would have tried to make it down. Foiled again!

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 02:01 (nineteen years ago)

Rain fucks up subways?

My favorite colors are greens. Except kelly green. Except in the case of cars. Cars in kelly green with metallic flakes might be all right. Or maybe I'm thinking of another green.

British Racing Green on this chart is pretty nice. Persian Green makes me feel ill.

I like the way Chartreuse (the liqueur) looks. And absinthe, especially after you mix in the sugar and water. Both are tastes I could do without, however.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 04:56 (nineteen years ago)

My most favorite color is Pete Wentz' cock. How did I miss these pics until tonight?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 05:10 (nineteen years ago)

It's on wiki and everything.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 05:30 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

wow, the thread title came true for me! I invited gay friends to meet me in the town of NYC and NO ONE CAME. Truly, I have no gay friends in town.

:(

Aww Drew I asked if I'd be able to get in and you didn't answer!

But srsly shall we organize an offical NYCgaylxFAP?

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 05:30 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't even know who Wentz was until I saw his parts a few minutes ago. And I must say, parts are greater than his whole.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

nyc gays (and whomever else might be reading) who also happen to be huge nerds should come to pete's candy store in brooklyn on wednesday for trivia! my friends and i are hosting it, and it will be a DOOZY. come watch me drink my nerves away on stage and THRILL as i mess up the wording to our questions! (seriously, tho, it's good times. 7 signup, 7:30pm start time.)

― impudent harlot, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 06:11 (nineteen years ago)

there may (or may not) be cocks involved, too. just sayin'.

― impudent harlot, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 06:12 (nineteen years ago)

xpost I have left Manhattan for the time being, maybe in the future when I am on the West Coast I can join up for NYC gay FAP. I managed to have a lot fun n glamour n stuff while in nYc anyway.

― Drew Daniel, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 06:26 (nineteen years ago)

I hope, when I am in NYC this summer, I have time for all this fun and merriment. But... I am not holding my breath.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 07:02 (nineteen years ago)

Chris and I are totally FAPping over the summer. Y'know.

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 07:11 (nineteen years ago)

Fancy a penis?

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 07:29 (nineteen years ago)

This thread is the reason I miss not having the internet at home yet. Nothing else.

― Ivan, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

Rain fucks up subways on the wettest day in 125 years, yes.

Leave it to the guy in the lime sweatrevest to post a turd chart.

Knowing WHAT teal and coral are would've gotten you verbally or physically tortured in my high school. By me.

I have film 'assignments' this week, joe, but I want to do Pete's trivia in the near future! But cocks, what the hell?

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

and Alfred, where is the respect for MARLINS teal in Miami? They won two World Series, fer the luvva teal...

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/images/0000c7-698.jpg

― Beth Parker, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 13:28 (nineteen years ago)

[url=[Removed Illegal Link]

Go here and soothe your gay-friendless souls with color charts galore. My favorite place on the web, other than here.

― Beth Parker, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

fuck.
http://www.edwardtufte.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg_id=0000XT&topic_id=1&topic=Ask+E%2eT%2e

― Beth Parker, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

Ah.

― Beth Parker, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

The purply grape-alicious goodness of a successful link-posting.

― Beth Parker, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

Rain fucks up subways on the wettest day in 125 years, yes.

Knowing WHAT teal and coral are would've gotten you verbally or physically tortured in my high school. By me.

1. How?

2. I went to high school in the late 80s/early 90s, so a familiarity with teal was, if not a requirement, an unfortunate inevitability. See also, hot pink.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

IIRC, the Charlotte Hornets (now N.O. Hornets) had some teal in their colors, so I wore teal, because while I hated basketball and lived in Montana, I was a Carolinaphile, so I wore teal. I really hated it though.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

In eighth grade I had a powder-blue leisure suit. (That's a big clue to my era.)

Re the subways, I think some of the pumping systems are from 1905, so when there are 8 inches of rain...

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

and Alfred, where is the respect for MARLINS teal in Miami? They won two World Series, fer the luvva teal..

An average of 4,000 people attend Marlins games regularly.

― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

so I wasn't able to get my cuetface metalhead boy crush to come with me to the QURASH fest I posted upthread, but he contacted the organizer and was able to get some of his queer-grindcore* split EPs onto the merch table. I still need someone to go with, though.

*http://www.myspace.com/starcrossedfaggots

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

crush cannot attend because he will be at ANIME BOSTON, of all places

candidates i will ask to attend with me:

* awesome female rocker friend who occasionally dines on carpet
* oblivious, bi-curious brown grad student with awesome ass who texts me all the time, why does he text me all the time jesus why all the bi boys :(

― elmo argonaut, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

well you can't buy love but you can bi boys

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

I think I learned what teal was when the Charlotte Hornets entered the NBA in the late 80s and they trumpeted the fact that teal was one of their team colors.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

For the record it was a lime HOODIE and a BLACK sweatervest! BIG difference.

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

Beth, with her Pantone and Tufte, knows the proper color charts for wooing.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

The yellow stones pic got on Tufteweb?! Awesome! Wait, that is your pic, right, Beth?

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

Reminds me--all you NYCers, have you been to Nowhere or the Dugout? How chaser-friendly is Dugout?

― Stevie D, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 10:15 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone want to talk about the gay perspective on peeing while sitting?

― Jesse, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

bear chaser? I don't go to either hardly ever.

I think u 'handled' that well, Jesse.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 18 April 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

I am not going to masturbate in the middle of the night just so I can pee! I mean I have never in my life had a problem with premature ejaculation, but ever since I started taking Paxil I know that I need to set aside a little time to get it done, and in the wee hours when you crave sleep, even pleasure is annoying, not to mention extended effort. (It's gotten much MUCH better over the years--when I first started taking Paxil I went for about 1 month with no orgasm. I actually hurt myself trying to get off, but anorgasmia is a terrible affliction, and I gave up countless times before I finally managed to have that one tortured release.)

― Jesse, Thursday, 19 April 2007 06:29 (nineteen years ago)

(Pee thread taints gay thread)

― Jesse, Thursday, 19 April 2007 06:29 (nineteen years ago)

taints or stains?

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

I'm horngry.

― Jesse, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

trivia night = kinda disastrous :(

but our questions were great so whatevs

― impudent harlot, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

great as in no one could answer?

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

My downstairs neighbor is gay and he's soooooooo cute. I'd like to have him. But neighbors?

― Ivan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

I've never done it, and I could see potential pitfalls, but doing your neighbor isn't the worst thing that could happen, as long as you go into it with the right attitude and taking precautions against his being nuts.

― Jesse, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

My gay co-worker is friendly to me, but he seems not to trust me. He will only talk to girls at work. I want to make him my gay friend, but it's not working.

― Jesse, Thursday, 19 April 2007 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

At the very least, I'll befriend him and we can be gay together.

― Ivan, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

xposts

not too hard, not too easy, for the most part. we had lots of technical glitches that made us seem sloppy, but ppl liked the questions themselves, it seems.

re: cocks upthread: our visual round = pair up the celebrity genitalia to the celebrity! (i.e. match the snatch/pick the dick)

― impudent harlot, Thursday, 19 April 2007 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

OK, FINE, I WILL READ THE PEE THREAD.

― Casuistry, Friday, 20 April 2007 07:59 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, well, straight guys in not understanding how other guys' penises work shocker.

Sometimes ILX can be a stack of morongs. But not you guys.

― Casuistry, Friday, 20 April 2007 08:18 (nineteen years ago)

ps i am not talking about butt otters. just regular ones. i don't know where that 'but' came from.

-- La Lechera, Friday, April 20, 2007 8:32 AM (4 minutes ago)

― Jesse, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

straight guys in not understanding how other guys' penises work shocker

Do gay penises work differently? How about bi? Is there a cutoff point? If I have vague lustings after that chap from saturday night live, do I suddenly discover my cock has reset itself, like when I accidentally made my cellphone Bulgarian, and I can't get it to perform any of its usual functions?

― Mark C, Friday, 20 April 2007 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

Stop. Re-read. Process.

Straight guys usually only understand 1 penis. Gay guys are exposed to many more so we get a chance to understand that each is a unique thing that has its own way of working.

― Jesse, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

Aw, don't say "penises" and "cutoff" in the same post.

― Rock Hardy, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

like cars, as Mad Ave has known forever

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Straight guys usually only understand 1 penis.

... and despite all evidence to the contrary, it is always the best and biggest.

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, I've never met a bloke who claims to have anything less or more than 7 inches. Bigger than average, but not an unlikely exaggeration.

― Mark C, Friday, 20 April 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

whatever, it's really all about the girth anyway.

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

"It ain't the meat, it's the motion"

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, I watched Casino Royale again last night and Craig pushes some serious basket around. Christ.

Also, that queer fest I had mentioned starts tonight. I shall report.

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to say that I've heard a much wider range of reports than Mark has, but then I remembered that I'm more likely to actually check than he is, and people know that. It's sort of like open government.

― Casuistry, Friday, 20 April 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

"pushing basket"

― river wolf, Friday, 20 April 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

i'm writing that down

― river wolf, Friday, 20 April 2007 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

Daniel Craig is crotchy.

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

anything less or more than 7 inches

key: ruler placement

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

Also, it's nice that some things haven't gone metric.

― Casuistry, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

haha, Morbs, what is the proper placement of the ruler for wang measurement?

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

we need proper calibration for this data set.

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

Base of the penis, measure topside, penis roughly (naturally?) perpendicular to the body. There are FAQs and illustrations out there. But it is profoundly easy to cheat and add a few inches to your measurement. Easy but somewhat pointless.

― Casuistry, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

well that's how I do it

― river wolf, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

shit i haven't really measured since high school, maybe i've grown?

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

what about upward curving dick, would you measure the length of the arc between base and tip, or the straight line?

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

The arc. Use string if needed.

― Casuistry, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

straight line, do some math

― river wolf, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

ruler, protractor, string, graph paper

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d0/Penis_frequency.jpg

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

So is river wolf in the otter party now?

― Stevie D, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Well that chart would help explain why I've never slept with anyone bigger than me.

― Casuistry, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

perhaps just "curious." /ottertrap to stevie

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

Not falling for it.

.......
where is he from again?

― Stevie D, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

OTTERTAP.

― Casuistry, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

I thought you discerning, arty gays would've seen Daniel Craig's basket (and more) when he played Francis Bacon's muse/toy in Love Is the Devil.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

hopefully all of the furries will be up at anime boston this weekend and none will ruin the qurash fest tonight

xpost morbs I've seen the screencaps of craig's junk but not watched the movie

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

UHH POST SCRENCAPS

― Stevie D, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

I have gay friends in town. But this is San Francisco.

― admrl, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

stevie, google is yr celebrity genital enabler, go to

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

guys i've seen a picture of tony danza's penis :(

― impudent harlot, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

(we used it in our trivia round actually)

― impudent harlot, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

man, you guyz. what happened to a little mystery?

plus, as Robin Williams once said in character (when he was funny) the penius is "a ridiculous piece of flesh."

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

elmo i'm at work and i can't

impudent how many celeb penises are there? you have brad pitt and matthew fox, surely? Foxy's is kinda small though

― Stevie D, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

in our round, you mean? we used five (neither was pitt nor fox)

― impudent harlot, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

danza, tommy lee, mike tyson, wahlberg (in boogie nights), and someone else (not double-checking, i'm at library)

― impudent harlot, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

are there enough celebwang experts playing at Pete's?

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

prosthetic penis == foul play

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

danza, tommy lee, mike tyson, wahlberg (in boogie nights), and someone else (not double-checking, i'm at library)

OMG ME 2 TWINSIES!!

― Stevie D, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

btw guys i'm going to give you some unsolicited yet crucial advice: never never never use a penis pump, i've seen the long term effects up close & no matter how insecure you feel about your dong it will always look better without being horribly mangled with internal scar tissue. CAULIFLOWER DICK DNW

― elmo argonaut, Friday, 20 April 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Now there is advice I hadn't heard before.

― Casuistry, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

i think more people were able to guess the vaginas overall (sharon stone, linda lovelace, britney, julianne moore, and, um, forgetting the other one we used for that one too)

― impudent harlot, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

stevie will you be at yrs ALL WEEKEND LONG like i will be?

― impudent harlot, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

guys i've seen a picture of tony danza's penis :(

-- impudent harlot, Friday, April 20, 2007 3:43 PM (43 minutes ago)

Why :( ?? I've seen it too, and it is a very fine penis! Unless you don't like uncut.

― Jesse, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure some of you have seen this already--Chris Pontius' money shot

http://www.gaypornblog.com/archives/chris_pontius_gay_porn.jpg

― Jesse, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

No I won't i'm leaving in 20 min and am gonna Take California and Party

― Stevie D, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.gaypornblog.com/archives/2006/09/saved_by_the_be.html

Wow this blog is a treasure trove of nekkid male celebs

that's Mario Lopez on Nip/Tuck, naked, showing his perfect ass.

― Jesse, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry, Jesse, if I'd known you hadn't seen it before I would have told you about gaypornblog.

― Casuistry, Friday, 20 April 2007 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

So is river wolf in the otter party now?

-- Stevie D, Friday, 20 April 2007 19:31 (3 hours ago)

sorry dude :(

― river wolf, Friday, 20 April 2007 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

because i imagine if his penis could talk it would say "SAMANTHUH!"

― impudent harlot, Saturday, 21 April 2007 00:19 (nineteen years ago)

ok the film night was deeply disappointing.

― elmo argonaut, Saturday, 21 April 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

wha' happen?

― impudent harlot, Saturday, 21 April 2007 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

I'm much happier about sharing my birthday w/ Iggy Pop than with Tony Danza.

Judging by the lexicon in HX magazine this week, I've misunderstood "otter." They aren't necessarily "chasers," just slimmer bears.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 April 2007 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

There seem to be people using the term in either way. But what animal chases bears?

― Casuistry, Monday, 23 April 2007 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

they just call it a "chaser," which is what I call Stella Artois

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 April 2007 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

I thought you discerning, arty gays would've seen Daniel Craig's basket (and more) when he played Francis Bacon's muse/toy in Love Is the Devil.

Whoa, that was Daniel Craig??

― jaymc, Monday, 23 April 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

slimmer bears

so me, then

i don't like this animal assignation thing i've decided

― impudent harlot, Monday, 23 April 2007 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

i might be ok with that kind of zoomorphic assignation if there were, like, mythical animal subcultures, i got to choose my own, and i didn't have to deal with furries ever.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 23 April 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

We already went over this upthread!

― Stevie D, Monday, 23 April 2007 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

I still would never use "otter" outside of the context of this thread/ILX; I still think of them as "cubs". Although I must say the opportunity to employ such terms does not arise very often in my day-to-day life.

― Stevie D, Monday, 23 April 2007 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

See the vocab isn't on the HX site, but otter & cub are different.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 April 2007 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

this whole otter-referring-to-hairy-skinny-dudes-and-not-chasers thing must be fairly recent. I mean, yeah, I guess technically it means both, but for all intents and purposes, "cub" seems to be the preferred nomenclature for hairy skinny dudes. It's like tomatoes. They're technically berries, but, like, come on: they're veggies.

― Stevie D, Monday, 23 April 2007 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

OMGz an entire bear issue! Where can I get me one of these?

― Stevie D, Monday, 23 April 2007 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

at a gay bar/club/GLBT center in NYC

just a sample

(not theoretically SFW)

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 April 2007 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

So I'd give all you guys my review of that festival but I have so little good to say about it I can't really be bothered. Suffice it to say it wasn't very well organized and pretty poorly attended.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 23 April 2007 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

Aww that sucks.

OMG I just found out I'm going to a Mets game tonight though! In like 4 hours! Maybe I can pick up one of those HX thingers after all.... I mean, not at the game, per se, but around...

― Stevie D, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

well, Jackson Heights is near the 7 train. A number of Latin gay bars there.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, near Flushing (Shea Stadium)

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Ya but--

I'm not 21

― Stevie D, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, sometimes they have them just inside the door.

I went to the Mets on Saturday and on the way out some drunk was chanting "A-Rod is a homo." I yelled "If only!"

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

... although, one of the films shown at the fest actually disgusted me, called "Sodom on the Hudson" which consisted of crappy tourist-style footage of NYC from the river, double projected over footage of dudes in full gas masks fucking and jerking off, which (of course) culminated in the image of the WTC on fire. Classy AND subtle.

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

& of course, soundtracking the thing with audioclips of Biggie rapping "Blow up like the World Trade" and the Pink Floyd clip "Look mummy, there's an aeroplane up in the sky" bit from Goodbye Blue Sky really twisted the knife. SHITTY MIXTAPE LITERALISM ugh

― elmo argonaut, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

well, that's gay fests for ya.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

Dear gayish looking guy I saw in the cafe this morning while I was studying: Take off your iPod and stop grinning so much and you might be attractive. Especially with your fatty foreign language dictionary in front of you, rowrr. Your friend, Chris.

― Casuistry, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

well, that's gay fests for ya.

YM "film". HTH.

― Casuistry, Monday, 23 April 2007 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

[Removed Illegal Link]

Incidentally enough these are quite delicious...

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

NOOOOOOOO

http://nounours.bleublog.ch/files/images/2006/10/mob649_1161525268.jpg

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

real bears leave fat-free to Klondykes.

any unexpected homoments at the ballgame?

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

Did we ever figure out a way to fix these? [/em]?

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

Grr!

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

I wish. There were so many hot guys. But the bathrooms were by far the grossest I've ever been in in my entire life.

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Grr.[/i]

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

? Hmm [/i] [Removed Illegal Link] hmm?

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

Grrrrr![/i]

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

what if I broke more links and made the whole thread look like this?

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

Then that would be annoying.

I've asked the mods for a fix.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.kodiak.org/images/bear-e2.jpg

grrrr

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

iamarobotiamarobotiamarobotallyourbasearebelongtous

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

Those Shea bathrooms were a lot worse 20 years ago. Like CBGB.

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

The last time I was in a Shea bathroom was 20 years ago. I just remember there being a really long line.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

Ya but CBGB's bathroom was legendary. I loved peeing in it.

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

but I had to shit. No one ever shat at CBGB's.

..did they?

― Stevie D, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

On stage, even.

I got e-mail today for an event for "YoHos". Young hos?!

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

Well, apparently it's "young homos", which... yeah.

The e-mail was funny. They're events for queer guys under 30. But they're quick to point out that other than that, they don't discriminate.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

the fave phrase for those things is "just a preference"

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Is this thread dying? Shall we make it a tradition like DC and UK and Chicago and etc threads?

― Stevie D, Thursday, 26 April 2007 04:24 (nineteen years ago)

It must live.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 April 2007 04:29 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sure it'll live, but I don't have something gay to say every day.

Although: Random PBR-swilling scruffy white trash hipster with the beer gut at the store last night? You were not hot. But your friend, the PBR-swilling scruffy Mexican-ish hipster with the beer gut? He was kinda cute. Although he was, at the very least, friends with you, so points off for that. I don't know how that works, sorry!

― Casuistry, Thursday, 26 April 2007 05:09 (nineteen years ago)

oh shit i bet that was my friend miguel

― river wolf, Thursday, 26 April 2007 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

he's let himself go lately ;_;

― river wolf, Thursday, 26 April 2007 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but then he becomes a chubby and all the chubby chasers love him. You see, it all works out in the realm of teh gay. There is no "letting yourself go".

― Stevie D, Thursday, 26 April 2007 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pro letting yourself go. Or really I'm pro not having much to let go in the first place. Although I'm a bit against letting yourself be totally gone.

― Casuistry, Thursday, 26 April 2007 05:51 (nineteen years ago)

got a dude's digits tonight aww yeah

― impudent harlot, Thursday, 26 April 2007 06:53 (nineteen years ago)

not his fingers I hope.

― Dr Morbius, Thursday, 26 April 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Depends on where he got them.

― Casuistry, Thursday, 26 April 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

Q: What did the leper say to ~~the prostitute~~ impudent harlot?
A: Keep the tip.

― Stevie D, Thursday, 26 April 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

btw, I second Stevie D's notion of having a recurring gay thread

― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 26 April 2007 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

A recurring gay thread is good, especially since I'm not sure how I feel about this thread's title--it seems like this is a refuge for alienated gays to find the gay friends they, like, don't have in town. So maybe the next one should be something stated positively, like: Come Explore Your Homosexuality In This Thread. Or This is the Thread Where I Am Gay. TITTWIAG.

― Jesse, Friday, 27 April 2007 04:59 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=53424#unread

― Casuistry, Friday, 27 April 2007 07:51 (nineteen years ago)

Or, Now That's What I Call Gay! Volume Two

― Casuistry, Friday, 27 April 2007 07:52 (nineteen years ago)

one month passes...

so i just discovered this thread b/c of the What do You Look Like thread, and i must admit that i have like no gay friends in town. OK i have 1 but he's actually out of town until the end of next month. slut.

― Surmounter, Monday, 25 June 2007 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

three years pass...

So I started going to my brother's church so I can expand my social life. He said his church was not too "conservative". So one day we were all out to dinner after some church function and one person in our group thought it would be cute if x (openly gay) hooked up with y (who is in the closet?). Saying this right in front of x.

I am thinking of leaving church again, I just think religion (even so-called "tolerant" ones) and gays maybe don't go together very well, a few people always ruin it for everyone else. I am sick of people not entirely comfortable with homosexuality sticking their nose in gays' business.

― Possession of Stolen Goods (pharoah slanders) (u s steel), Friday, 21 January 2011 18:29 (fifteen years ago)

So X and Y were both there? What did X do and what did Y do? And was no one like "uhhhh that's fucked up of you to say" ?

― her hipster hair dude is making me pale ale (Stevie D(eux)), Friday, 21 January 2011 18:39 (fifteen years ago)

idk maybe the person who said it didnt realise that y was not out or gay or w/e and their blitheness implied that the closet as a barrier was sortof nbd w/n that soc. space.

― plax (ico), Friday, 21 January 2011 18:44 (fifteen years ago)

― Casuistry, Thursday, 26 April 2007 16:45 (3 years ago) Permalink
Q: What did the leper say to the prostitute impudent harlot?
A: Keep the tip.

― Stevie D, Thursday, 26 April 2007 16:49 (3 years ago) Permalink
btw, I second Stevie D's notion of having a recurring gay thread

― elmo argonaut, Thursday, 26 April 2007 17:48 (3 years ago) Permalink
A recurring gay thread is good,

― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 January 2011 18:47 (fifteen years ago)

awww

― Rich Lolwry (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 January 2011 18:47 (fifteen years ago)

except for the ppl who eventually left it! (no names plz)

― kind of shrill and very self-righteous (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 January 2011 18:48 (fifteen years ago)

It is kind of hard to hang out with someone who is usually either trying to fuck you and / or your date. Also I gave up on trying to be cool to colorful queers. I mean its cool if you are drunk or watching a drag show or whatever but it grows old very quickly and I am not that good at masking my emotions when sober. That said, I feel lonely and accepted a man-date tonight with a newish gay dude I met. He already confessed hes been into me for years and I made full disclosure that I am nearly autistic / a bit of an unintentional asshole. Lets hope this ends well.

― Umm, I think that's my glass. (laser precise purpose maker era), Friday, 21 January 2011 19:05 (fifteen years ago)

X was there, Y is not a party animal as you can probably tell so no. x seemed kind of disappointed, sometimes you don't know how clueless people are until you spend time with them socially. y is one of those "please don't make a big deal out of my sexuality" well ok, everyone has to get along....wouldn't be x's type though.

― Possession of Stolen Goods (pharoah slanders) (u s steel), Friday, 21 January 2011 20:25 (fifteen years ago)

these threads have been rolling for almost four years now! just had some fun trying to remember whose digits i got on april 25, 2007

― rufus is a tity boi (donna rouge), Friday, 21 January 2011 20:30 (fifteen years ago)

this is reminding me of my best gay friend from school who used to tell all his stories about mr.x and mr.y and i used to go crazy and be like "look, i know these ppl, the fn algebra isnt helping"

― plax (ico), Friday, 21 January 2011 20:30 (fifteen years ago)

(i have never heard the term "otter" before this thread, like, ever)

― impudent harlot, Monday, March 26, 2007 8:25 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark

loooooooooool

― rufus is a tity boi (donna rouge), Friday, 21 January 2011 20:31 (fifteen years ago)

weird i didnt post on the first thread bc i remember reading it when it at the time.

― plax (ico), Friday, 21 January 2011 20:33 (fifteen years ago)

three months pass...

My second post on this thread seems sort of out of character now.

― scissorlocks and the three bears (Eric H.), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:06 (fifteen years ago)

Eric, you just need a 3-day bacchanal somewhere.

― resistance does not require a firearm (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:17 (fifteen years ago)

feelin this thread title tbh

― rrrrap critic Komsomol (Lamp), Thursday, 12 May 2011 17:17 (fifteen years ago)

three years pass...

http://instinctmagazine.com/post/young-gay-blogger-gay-men-over-30-should-stay-out-clubs

― It's Autumn Sunrise (Eric H.), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 02:35 (eleven years ago)

(i have never heard the term "otter" before this thread, like, ever)

― impudent harlot, Monday, March 26, 2007 8:25 AM (3 years ago) Bookmark

loooooooooool

― rufus is a tity boi (donna rouge), Friday, January 21, 2011 3:31 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

loooooooooool

― DERE is no DERE DERE (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 02:49 (eleven years ago)

It's true this fella might be dateless because his sentences and punctuation suck.

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 02:50 (eleven years ago)

Was I doomed to a life of bottle service and boyfriends half my age because I couldn’t settle down and start a family at an appropriate time.

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 02:50 (eleven years ago)

Jesus, I am so fucking glad I'm not 19 anymore!

― DERE is no DERE DERE (Stevie D(eux)), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 03:06 (eleven years ago)

I will go in such clubs only to set fires

― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 03:38 (eleven years ago)

For those of you playing along at home: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UpStairs_Lounge_arson_attack

― It's Autumn Sunrise (Eric H.), Wednesday, 20 August 2014 04:04 (eleven years ago)

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2014/08/30/rufus-wainwright-im-glad-i-dont-have-more-gay-fans-gay-men-have-terrible-taste-in-music/

― a guy named Christian White who represents the typical white Christian (Eric H.), Monday, 1 September 2014 15:41 (eleven years ago)

as a gay man with terrible taste he's otm about his music

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 September 2014 15:42 (eleven years ago)

I wonder if Rupert Everett was even asked if he wants to abdicate his homophobic bitch throne yet.

― a guy named Christian White who represents the typical white Christian (Eric H.), Monday, 1 September 2014 16:12 (eleven years ago)

and I say that as a guy named Bitch Homophobe who represents the typical homophobic bitch

― a guy named Christian White who represents the typical white Christian (Eric H.), Monday, 1 September 2014 16:13 (eleven years ago)

who has terrible taste in music

― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Monday, 1 September 2014 16:51 (eleven years ago)

Your feeble brain can't even begin to comprehend my music.

http://www.edochess.ca/batgirl/Sergei_Prokofiev.jpg

― a guy named Christian White who represents the typical white Christian (Eric H.), Monday, 1 September 2014 17:29 (eleven years ago)

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