Chicago: Do you want tamales? Tamales?

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― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 07:46 (nineteen years ago)

Re-posted, because it shouldn't be missed.

Today:

-I saw a guy on the train with a hot pink button affixed to his WGN tote that read, "FUCK YOUR GOD."

-There was a guy beat-boxing at the Belmont train stop. He was amazing. His name is Jasper, and he was really friendly and talented.

-I discovered that there exists in this crazy, mixed-up world a fountain that dispenses Scope.

-I ate mussels and there was a bad one in the batch. :(

-I drank some Scope. :(

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 07:47 (nineteen years ago)

I liked it better when threads were just Chicago Number.

― Jeff, Monday, 26 March 2007 11:28 (nineteen years ago)

It's too early in the morning for naysaying. Go drink some coffee and get back to me.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 12:37 (nineteen years ago)

I meant to credit Dan for this thread title.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

The first post should have been this pic:

http://myspace-753.vo.llnwd.net/01378/35/74/1378134753_l.jpg

I was hungry the other night, saw him, and somehow didn't make the connection that I should have gotten tamales until he was heading out the door... So I went and got a taco instead.

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

How did you know it was a bad mussel and what did it to do you?

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

You know, it started hanging out with the wrong crowd, took up smoking, got rebellious.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

The weather is too nice. You guys didn't even go to work today, did you? You're all out playing golf.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

It's beautiful out, and it's going to rain here the rest of the week it looks like. I'm a try to talk a girl into going to a park after work.

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

that shouldn't be such a hard sell

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Unless she hates walking! And parks!

― Laurel, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

well, diffrent strokes

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

Nobody hates walking AND parks.

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

...

― n/a, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

well, if it turns out that she hates walking and parks, you can still ask her to fuck in the bathroom.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a try to talk a girl into going to a park after work.

any particular girl or are you just going to stand outside the supermarket asking whichever ones come out the door or something? also, allergies may play a role in hating walking in the park.

― chicago kevin, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, you can sit and drink beer in a park.

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

did you guys hear about the second police beating? i heard something brief about it on npr yest morning, but wasn't sure if i was imagining it all half-asleeplike.

businessmen this time

― JuliaA, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i read about that on chicagoist today. there was alos an alleged third incident in wicker park. the wicker park one seems kind of weird, why would chicago cops drive from wicker park all the way to harvey just to drop some guy off? seems sort of fishy to me.

also, swank franks is closing! so is filter but i could give a flying fuck about that.

― chicago kevin, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

(it is not a random girl, cause that would be crepey)

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I'm okay with parks, I just hate walking. Walking makes it harder to smoke and drink coffee at the same time.

― Laurel, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

GAWD PEOPLE STOP EXPOSING POLICE VIOLENCE DON'T YOU KNOW IT'S A STRESSFUL JOB?

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

THEY'RE REALLY NICE GUYS! NO, REALLY!

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

Walking makes it harder to smoke and drink coffee at the same time.

not to mention chewing gum!

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

-There was a guy beat-boxing at the Belmont train stop. He was amazing. His name is Jasper, and he was really friendly and talented.

I know that beat-boxing Jasper dude, but his normal location is the Chicago red line stop. He's really annoying -- every time I run into him, I get earmarked as young, hip dude most likely to give him money and I get the exact some spiel, word for word, every time. Last time he got about 20% of the way in when I told him "i didn't give you money last time, and i'm not going to give you money this time. don't waste your time -- I don't want to hear it".

I realize it came out about 14x harsher than I intended and he looked really hurt as he sulked away. I felt like I beat a puppy.

― mattttt, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

so what's up with swank frank and filter closing? Can't pay Wicker Park rent anymore?

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Bank of America is buying the building or something. Gentrification program... 85% complete.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

omg guys i miss the tamale guy so much :(

...how hard is it to make tamales??? could i become Montana's Tamale Guy???

― river wolf, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

I love the bum spiel. Especially when it's an overly elaborate lie. It's especially fun the second time you hear it.

I think I got pegged as "likely to give me money" a lot more when I first moved here and I was green. I looked like a mark. Now I think I look too surly or indifferent for them to bother with me.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

Jeff and I were waiting for the bus in Hyde Park yesterday and a crazy guy who smelled a little more like pee than I generally like people who sit next to me to smell sat down next to me. He was quiet for awhile and then he said, "GOOD AFTERNOON, MA'AM" which I immediately recognized as the begining of a pitch and I was really not in the mood (just ask me for the GD money, okay? I'll probably give it to you) and I guess I made a very blatant not-in-the-mood face complete with eye roll and heavy, irritated sigh and to the guy's credit he said, "Oh okay, it's okay, sorry."

Then he started cackling at nothing that we could see at fairly regular three or four minute intervals which continue from Hyde Park all the way to Michigan Ave.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

― n/a, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

I've never made them, but it's like most other traditional Mexican food, from what I've heard... Easy to assemble but it time intensive.

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost to r.w.)

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

He also continued to smell like pee, making him the second person who smelled a lot like pee with whom we rode the bus in as many days.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

The bus guy, not Evan.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

Well, maybe Evan. Who knows? Montana seems like the kind of place where you can sit around in your own urine for a few weeks.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

i would make a fortune in this town

― river wolf, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

(just ask me for the GD money, okay? I'll probably give it to you)

heh. See, I am not like that. I'm more like, "Don't bother with me, I do not hand out money on the street."

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

HAHA

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

lotta room out here -- no one really knows what anyone else smells like....

:|

B|

...until it's too late

― river wolf, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

I have a strict policy against taking my wallet out on the street, but if I have change in my pocket (which I will sometimes put there for this very reason), I'll give it to the first person who asks me for it.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

I think it involves banana leaves?

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

and goodness. much goodness.

all i know about tamales is that they are awesome.

― JuliaA, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

waht

― river wolf, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

(I don't eat tamales often and I've never made them, obv.)

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

not banana leaves, corn husks. and yeah, intensive time commitment, but not difficult to make.

― horseshoe, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

Corn husks. You whip up some corn masa, make a little tube and fill it with whatever you like (really cheap pork is popular, but beans and veggies work great, too), and steam it. It's easy!

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

xpost What everyone else said!

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

It's not that easy, actually. It's a huge pain in the ass.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Instead of corn husks, banana leaves are used in tropical parts of the country such as the states bordering the Gulf of Mexico, Oaxaca, Chiapas, and the Yucatán Peninsula. These tamales are rather square in shape, often very large (15 inches or more) and thick; a local name for these in Southern Tamaulipas is zacahuil. To the south, banana-leaf tamales are also common in the neighboring countries of Central America.

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

so how was everyone's weekend? friday night i got drunker than i have in quite some time. and i wasn't NEARLY the worst person in my circle of friends.

also, i made chili yesterday and didn't really follow a recipe, i just started throwing stuff in the pot that i thought would taste good. surprisingly it came out pretty well.

― chicago kevin, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe the trick is to invite a bunch of people over and make a party out of making tamales. Set up a ginormous steamer and make hundreds of them!

I would support that effort, actually.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

a friend of mine did that (tamale party) but she did most of the prep work and I think it really stressed her out. there were tamales everywhere.

― horseshoe, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder what kind of hours/wk the tamale guy works between making them up and selling them.

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

yeah but if i had tamales everywhere i could go make a billion dollars on saturday night

― river wolf, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

there were tamales everywhere.

This is a really funny mental image for some reason

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

true. do you have a lot of pots to steam in? she used, like, four.

― horseshoe, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

I know! Like tribbles!

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

I've heard "the" tamale guy is a member of a larger tamale cabal consisting of many cousins. My ex-gf's roomate claimed to have dated one of them.

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

A SINISTER TAMALE CABAL OH NOES THEY'RE TAKING OVER

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

it was an amazing image! there were various stages: soaking the husks, rolled-up tamales waiting to be steamed and of course the steaming. so the various stages were visually represented wherever they would fit. oh, also, she burned her fingers making the chile sauce for them. be careful with those jalapenos!

― horseshoe, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.illuminati-and-911.com/images/upfiles/see-all.gif http://www.wpclipart.com/food/meals/tamale.png

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

i am srsly going to make some tamales this weekend and SELL 'em.

― river wolf, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Any recipe that not only requires day-ahead prep, but also requires getting up early to keep on cooking is, by definition, not easy: http://www.texmex.net/Recipes/tamales.htm

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I encountered two exceptionally pee-reeking dudes yesterday. One of them insisted on walking up and down the train repeatedly. So as to ensure that the rich aroma penetrated every nook and cranny of the car, I assume.

You guys: give me fun free stuff to do. I hope to be employed soon, but I'm running out of ideas at the moment. Like, you can only go to the zoo so many times before it starts to lose its specialness.

― Deric W. Haircare, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Go to the loop and hang out in Federal Plaza. There's almost always some sort of demo going on there.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

(massive x-post)

― Deric W. Haircare, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

Make tamales! They're cheap and time consuming!

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

There's going to be a really good worker justice demonstration organized by the Coalition of Immokalee Workers on April 14 - http://www.ciw-online.org/.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

LOL @ Dan.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I enjoyed the Chicago Cultural Center (which I had shamefully never been to) when I went there last week.

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

i am srsly going to make some tamales this weekend and SELL 'em.

you should totally do this

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

There's often free shit happening in Millennium Park - http://www.millenniumpark.org/parkevents/.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

yes, like in the summer: Summerdance! best ever!

― horseshoe, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a98Fwt3cYRM

― river wolf, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

NY Times w/ frontpage feature today on how the El is falling to shit! :o

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Well they're only about what, 2 or 3 years late on that story.

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Museum free days (I think all the museums have them). Navy Pier. Garfield Park Conservatory.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

NYT article

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

I was just going to post the link! It makes me angry to hear Kruesi talk about how we're living on borrowed time, as if he had nothing to do with the current state of public transit in Chicago.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

The Museum of Contemporary Photography is always free.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Libraries! You can always go to the library to read newspapers and hang out with people who smell like pee and enjoy inappropriate yelling.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

harold washington is a beautiful library.

― horseshoe, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

I love Harold Washington library so much. I wanted to get married there but it's really expensive to rent out the reception area.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.coca-colastore.com/coke/images/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/b2cm511301_410000414071_L.jpg

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

That's not free.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Design-wise, Harold Washington is attractive but not user-friendly at all. You have to take a series of escalators before you even get to the main check-out floor, and then you have to walk to the other side of the floor to take an elevator to the stacks? No thanks.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

but it maximizes your time to appreciate the beauty! genius!

― horseshoe, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, Harold Washington is a pretty building, but balls as a library.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

I'm envious of the Rem Koolhaas-designed Seattle Public Library. Apparently the stacks are in a continuous spiral, from the ground floor to the top.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Can you imagine needing something shelved somewhere in the middle? Enough to make a cataloger or reference lib. hate architects forevah. Unless there is little robotic arm that gets book off shelf and sends it down a central chute!!

― Laurel, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

That Koolhaas library is amazing,visited it last fall. I don't remember seeing any spiraled stacks though, although I didn't go through the entire thing. It is a wonderfully designed space for sure, but the circulation through the space could be a little awkward if you didn't know where you were heading (i.e. - there was a certain definite path you'd have to know to follow to access some of the stack levels).

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think there are also escalators.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

i never thought i'd be sad to see filter go but wtf do they need another bank at that intersection for.

― deej, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

Er wait, I do remember the spiral now. It was the nonfiction books, but I don't think it went all the way through the building, but still a pretty good portion of the levels.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

That's pretty cool, but it needs some ornamental owls on the outside.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, you're right, Jon. I didn't know that until I found that Arcspace site.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

swank frank's was closed for about 6 months to remodel the place. they have a good dog/onion ring combination that's pretty goddamn good at 2 in the morning.

― chicago kevin, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

So does this mean no more paintings of the naked women with machine guns on a backdrop of the star of David?

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

Sounds like my prom night.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

never fails

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

“Mayor Daley should concentrate his efforts on this rather than on the Olympics,” Ms. Harrison said.

Amen.

― William Selman, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

yeah because it's not like the cta has a president or a chairwoman who are paid to take care of the cta.

― chicago kevin, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

actually... it *is* kinda not like that!

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Being paid to do something and actually doing it are, as we have seen, two entirely different things.

I'm all for organizing some citizen resistance and accountability movement action. Who wants in? We either need a snappy name or an existing organization that we can glom on to.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

I propose we call ourselves Angry Fucking Dykes.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure that's taken.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Frontera Fresco has really good tamales, 7th floor of Macy's.

― Jeff, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

Curmudgeonly Carpet Munchers?

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

J0dy Nueva's good friend Jer was put in the pokey overnight last week (something about having lent his car to someone with a DUI) and it sounds like he was messed with by the cops and his arms are messed up a little from the cuffing.

The regular holding facility was full, so they put him in the maximum security wing (downtown, I'm guessing) and he was, true to the cliche, put into a cell with two giant afr-amer dudes, and one of them said that J. had better call him Daddy. Then they cracked up laughing.

By the next morning, J. had traded a juicebox for a pen and some paper, and he started drawing. Someone saw that he was drawing, and soon enough a bunch of guys were waiting around for him to draw something for their girlfriends, roses and stuff.

― Eazy, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

If anyone can find me the "Ask a Traffic Cone" one, I'd like to read it. I can't find it myself.

I thought that you couldn't find it because it was called "Ask a Pylon" -- but that didn't come up in the archives anywhere.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

how many of you have been to the Koolhaas building at IIT?

that's a fun, cheap thing to do. then go and look at the mies buildings, or the helmut jahn dorms.

― robotsinlove, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ask A Gutshot Policeman

Dear Gut-Shot Policeman,
My brother recently moved in with me, claiming that he could no longer afford rent and didn't want to move back in with our parents. I feel torn. Part of me wants to be supportive and cut him some slack, but another part wants to tell him to get lost. After all, he seems to be more interested in hanging out with his friends than in looking for a better-paying job. What do you think I should do?

—Tested In Tempe

Dear Tempe,
Oh, God, I'm dyin' over here! Somebody, get me some help, please. Oh, God, I'm dyin'. The pain! Lou, call for back-up if you can hear me. Unggggh! Tell Nancy I love her. Tell the kids to be brave, and tell them that their daddy loves them very much. The pain, I can't stand it! Oh, please help me. I'm too young to die.

Dear Gut-Shot Policeman,
Here's a real doozy for you: I'm a happily married woman. Yet the other night at a cocktail party, a female acquaintance of mine made a pass at me! I didn't know how to respond, so I acted embarrassed and left the room quickly. We haven't talked since, but I know I am going to see her at a picnic next month. I don't want it to be horribly awkward. What should I do?

—Confused In Cairo

Dear Confused,
Get me to the fuckin' hospital! Ghaaaaaagh! Jesus, I'm losing blood fast. Can't take the pain. Unnnnggghhhh! I'm shot. Real bad. I'm spittin' up blood. My insides are all blasted out. What a fuckin' mess! Please, somebody, my squad car is around the corner. Call for an ambulance. I can't take the pain. Unnnggggghh!

― Eazy, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

One reason I really like the "Ask a..." series is that a lot of the time they're just really well-written monologues.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

By the next morning, J. had traded a juicebox for a pen and some paper, and he started drawing. Someone saw that he was drawing, and soon enough a bunch of guys were waiting around for him to draw something for their girlfriends, roses and stuff.

That's a lovely story.

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

ask a pylon vs. ask a cylon

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

One of my favorites.

Ask A Faulknerian Idiot Man-Child

Dear Faulknerian Idiot Man-Child,

Because of a job promotion, my husband and I recently moved from Boston to Louisville, where I don't know a soul. I don't want to stand in the way of my husband's career, but I miss my friends back home terribly. Any advice?

—Lonely In Louisville
Dear Lonely,

Through the fenceposts on the hill I could see them hitting, across the pasture towards where the flag was. Me and Cornpoe was looking for to find some balls that had gotten lost so we could get a nickel, but I wasn't looking too hard on account of it felt so nice to see the men there on that bright green field, and Cornpoe was just sniffing in a bush not saying nothing because she ain't but an old hound. I sure did love that old dog, but that was before the truck come down the road and I yelled for Cornpoe to come back, but she didn't hear and the noise from the motor was so loud it filled my head up with the roar and then it was too late, too late. And the crash, and the noise from the horn blowing, like it was saying Yah. Yah. Yaaaaaahhhh.
____________________________________________________________________________

Dear Faulknerian Idiot Man-Child,

I have had it just about up to here with our new washing machine! We paid top dollar for it, and it's under warranty, but every time the repairman fixes it, within days it's broken again. It has never worked right, and they can never figure out what the problem is. I want my money back! Am I being unfair?

—Irritated In Erie
Dear Irritated,

I done told that old nigger that I weren't allowed to go out in the rain, on account of my needing my medicine-pills and my coat being none too dry, but he just kept on saying Don't you know we got to Go. Go and saddle up old Bess and get on our way Right Now Boy there ain't no time. I said no no no and then he made like he was about to commence to beating on me and I started cryin' and then I looked up and he was cryin' too. His face went all soft and he said goodbye and take care of your sister like a good boy. As I watched him and Bess going on up that road in the rainy night I kept thinkin' how it dint need to be this way, it could've been diffrent. Lord knows it could've been.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

yeah because it's not like the cta has a president or a chairwoman who are paid to take care of the cta.

chicago kevin on Monday, 26 March 2007 16:22 (31 minutes ago)
actually... it *is* kinda not like that!

kenan on Monday, 26 March 2007 16:23 (31 minutes ago)

Yeah, let's get serious for sec...

Daley answers to no one.

― William Selman, Monday, 26 March 2007 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

an effective leader can delegate. HAS to delegate. if kruesi can't get it done he shouldn't be in the position and should be removed. that's about as far as daley should get into it.

― chicago kevin, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

I guess it seems to me that the whole delegating thing goes out the window when Daley appoints people based on patronage/their willingness to be controlled by him.

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

i don't care who he appoints or how much that person is controlled by him as long as the job gets done. i'm sure kruesi isn't the only person beholden to the mayor but the cta is a glaring example of the job not getting done and i think that has a lot to do with kruesi and michael madigan butting heads and the cta still getting funding based on a tax formula that's 24 years old and not as much with a political hack being put in place.

― chicago kevin, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

The Southport Brown Line stop closes in a week or two. That's when things will heat up.

― Eazy, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah, and the closing of one of the tracks at Fullerton and Belmont will be fuuuuun.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan: hi
me: hi
Jordan: hey
me: hey
is there something you'd like to say?
Jordan: no

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Kevin: you make sense and I generally agree, especially with the broken funding scheme. I think that the political patronage stuff gets into the mix when you look at accountability and the potential for change. If Kruesi isn't getting the job done, but he's only accountable to Daley, and Daley likes him... we're back to square one. Although didn't Daley say that he would axe Kruesi if he didn't fix up, look sharp?

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, Kev, you know more about this than I do and we don't disagree so yeah. Ice cream for everybody!

― Jenny, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

All I know about Frank K. is that he is a lady lunches for 2 hours at my restaurant. I suppose he's expensing the lunches too.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

If Kruesi isn't getting the job done, but he's only accountable to Daley, and Daley likes him... we're back to square one.

which was my point when i said

if kruesi can't get it done he shouldn't be in the position and should be removed. that's about as far as daley should get into it.

which was in reference to

“Mayor Daley should concentrate his efforts on this rather than on the Olympics,” Ms. Harrison said.

there are already positions in place to run the cta, staff them accordingly and the mayor doesn't have to run every department of the city. and although i sure as hell don't want the olympics here, focusing on getting them is EXACTLY the kind of thing the mayor should be doing instead of trying to run the cta.

anyway, that's my opinion on the mayoral form of government, i think it should be as a ships captain. he puts people in positions to do their jobs freeing the captain to make decisions about the direction of the ship and the course to take.

― chicago kevin, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

daley is drivin' me nuts

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

From the "i have no gay friends" thread:

"Husbear."

"Significant otter."

Are you fucking kidding me?

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse hey Jesse... there's Steamworks.

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.bobmeyers.com/images/Chicago/tn/3246%20bldg%203%20s.jpg

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

There it is.

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:01 (nineteen years ago)

"Significant otter."

what does this mean?

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

An otter is a young hairy guy who likes bears. Otters chase bears. A bear's otter boyfriend is (apparently) a "significant otter." WTF.

Hey! There's Steamworks!

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

So I can't believe this went uncommented-upon:

-I discovered that there exists in this crazy, mixed-up world a fountain that dispenses Scope.

[-I ate mussels and there was a bad one in the batch. :(]

-I drank some Scope. :(

(By the way, I could tell the mussel was bad because it tasted funny and left a really awful astringent feeling in my mouth.)

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

Where did you get mussels? K@tie was trying to buy some last night and struck out.

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

GET MUSSELS AT MY WORK!

The steamed mussels with a lemon-grass cilantro broth (and a side of jalapeno dipping sauce) are fucking amazing. You need a fresh loaf of sourdough with butter to soak up the broth between bites.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.illinoisfamily.org/content/img/f30415/Steamworks.jpg

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

Oh. I just realized that that image comes from the Illinois Family Institute's website. The caption:

"Homosexual sex is encouraged in Chicago--one of the leading "gay" enclaves in the world. Above is a booth for a homosexual bathhouse in Chicago, Steamworks, where homosexual men go for quick and often anonymous sodomitic encounters."

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

Chicago: Quick and Often Anonymous Sodomitic Encounters

― Eazy, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

lol

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

sybaritic sodomitic

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse do you mean that you swallowed Scope?

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

sybaritic sodomitic

redundant?

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

that balding dude in the black tank top in the lower left corner shops at the whole foods in river forest. very nice guy and i heard him give a lecture to a cashier about hep c once.

― chicago kevin, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

In SAT format:

Kruesi : Daley :: Alberto Gonzales : ?

― William Selman, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

the obvious answer would be george bush.

so extrapolating, you think george bush should be the top law enforcement official in the nation?

― chicago kevin, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Go to Hopleaf for great mussels.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

I have never been to the Hopleaf. it is a tragedy.

― horseshoe, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

go to steamworks for great muscles

― river wolf, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

i don't eat muscles if i'm more than 30 miles from the ocean.

― chicago kevin, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

but man, i miss steamers. and fried scallops.

― chicago kevin, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

Places to buy prepared mussels are nice, but what if you want to DIY?

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

My favorite time to go to Hopleaf is on a late afternoon.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

(and I figured the New Englander here would have a response like that... can't say I blame ya)

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

and fried scallops.

lawrence's
lawrence's
lawrence's
lawrence's

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

My work's mussels are great.

The whole "I don't eat seafood unless I can smell the beach" thing has been made a little un-reliable because of globalization. I found out that in New Orleans--arguably the shrimp (and oyster) capital of the US-- a significant portion of restaurants serve Vietnamese shrimp and Northeastern oysters.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

Kr bought and cooked me mussels for Valentine's Day. I think she got them at Whole Foods.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

The mussels at my work are big too. I don't know if there is a counterintutive standard that says mussels should be small, but I've had some that are so big that I was grossed out. One was as big as the first 2 joints of my thumb!

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

but man, i miss steamers.

i got yer steamer right here, son

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

I have never been to the Hopleaf. it is a tragedy.

I hate to say it, but the Hopleaf is overripe. The food is still really good and the beer selection is always great, but it's so crowded and the clientele has become unbearable. The last time I was there, some drunk chuckleheads were getting really wasted and loud trying to impress some girls at the table next to them. They become so disruptive that the bouncer had to eject one of them. I've been going there for nearing ten years and I've never seen anyone ever get bounced, much less behave like a total ass in there. We asked the bouncer what was going on and he said that in the last two years or so it happens all the time.

Go on on Tuesday night.

― William Selman, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

but I've had some that are so big that I was grossed out. One was as big as the first 2 joints of my thumb!

Yeah, unfortunately, a few of the ones that Kr made were like that, and I was also a little grossed out.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

The way I understand it, in New Orleans they have local crawfish for a portion of the year and Asian crawfish the rest of the time.

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, and yes, I actually swallowed the Scope. I was too amazed to be grossed out.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

but man, i miss steamers.

Just go to 3246 N. Halsted.

Here it is wearing a pearl necklace.

http://yochicago.com/neighborhoods/lakeview/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Steamworks%20pearl%20necklace.jpg

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

let's talk about this thing:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/images/Romanesco/images/Scr1.jpg

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Symmetry kills appetizing.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

Fractal brocciflower looks like deep sea-life barnacle. Creepazoid.

― Laurel, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

jesse, is that true? I mean, it that a real theory?

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

anyway, i just learned today of fractal broccoli. I did not know that existed. I almost wish it didn't.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

I spent Christmas Eve once at the Hopleaf reading a long article in The Nation about the consequences of privitizing U.S. prisons, and then I walked down to the Balmoral-Clark Tap (where Taste of Heaven is now) and shot some pool. I was pretty new to town and was amazed that places were open on Christmas Eve, and it was fun to be out on my own in the big city (after talking on the phone for awhile with my family, of course).

― Eazy, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Here's my question about Steamworks: is it a gym? Are there dry saunas and steamrooms? I mean, I know it's about sex, but how does it work? Do they have vending machines? Towel service? Water?

― Eazy, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

jesse, is that true? I mean, it that a real theory?

It's real to me, but I've never heard it before.

Re Steamworks

-there are dry saunas, steam rooms, huge, HUGE whirpool, towels, water fountains, SCOPE FOUNTAIN--BEWARE!--vending machines, internet, Nautilus machines, TV room.

Watch the so-so but still funny movie Testosterone for a scene with a very accurate depiction of a bathhouse. (One of my favorite lines, "I'm just a fag with a gun who needs a chainsaw.")

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

is it a gym? Are there dry saunas and steamrooms

from what I gather, yes, yes, and yes.

I know it's about sex, but how does it work

tab A into slot B

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

Although I am curious as to how you get away with having sex in public. Is it mostly back room bj's?

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

There are private rooms and there are public areas. And there are "mazes" with glory holes. And there is a BJ ramp where some men are elevated, others on the lower area. The men on the upper get serviced through a short wall (mostly for leaning) with glory holes by the men on the lower level.

NOT THAT I'VE EVER BEEN!

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

it all sounds dreadfully unsanitary

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

How so? I mean besides the fact that you're swapping spit? There are condoms everywhere. And if you get caught barebacking you're kicked out, maybe permanently.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

ah ha.

Condoms! What a concept!

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

I just had this mental image of dudes indiscriminately jizzing all over each other.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Steamworks Condom Compliance Inspector: On the next Dirty Jobs

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha.

Really there is not much public sex. People take it to a room or hook up and leave together.

This is a really dumb thing about Queer as Folk--the bathhouse always looked like Japanese beetle mating season. Orgies are not common, Folks.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

Listen and learn, children of Chilx--don't buy shoes at Payless! It does not "feel great to Payless." It actually causes calluses and hurts like a motherfucker.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

I like their new logo, though.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

I got nice black shoes I can wear on fancy occasions at Payless for only like $30. The only problem is that they're a little roomy, but that's pretty much the problem with all my shoes.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I don't think shoes are something to cheap out on. Feet are important.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

I just accidentally clicked on this thread instead of the "gay friends" thread and thought there was some massive and glorious x-post in the last ten seconds.

― Casuistry, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:44 (nineteen years ago)

Mazes!

A BJ ramp!

Who designed this place, Terry Gilliam?

This answers my questions, though. So someone could conceivably actually go there and exercise, check e-mail, watch TV, and sit in a sauna. If this place had chicks, it would be any guy's fantasyland.

― Eazy, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

I was broke and my waitering shoes had holes in them that let in snow and kitchen water and I was getting jungle rot. I paid $22 for shoes that will have lasted me about 2 months. If I could have just gotten regular shoes I would have gotten a better bargain ($50-$100 for shoes that would last me 18 months or so.) Shoes are not a thing to cheap-out on anyway, but 10x so when you are waitering.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

I usually get shoes at DSX, Marshall's, or Filene's. A few years ago at Marshall's got some black Coach walking shoes - so nice.

― Eazy, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I figure mine are okay, because I only wear them once a month.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

I just accidentally clicked on this thread instead of the "gay friends" thread and thought there was some massive and glorious x-post in the last ten seconds.

Yeh, the top threads on ILX are pretty gay right now.

This answers my questions, though. So someone could conceivably actually go there and exercise, check e-mail, watch TV, and sit in a sauna. If this place had chicks, it would be any guy's fantasyland.

Some straight guys from my work were talking about how it sucks that there is no such thing for straight men, and if there were, they would get Gold Member passes.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Some straight guys from my work were talking about how it sucks that there is no such thing for straight men, and if there were, they would get Gold Member passes.

Cheetah Gym would seem to be any guy's fantasyland.

― mattttt, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

Except for all the homos that hang out there.

― jaymc, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

None of my fantasies involve going to the gym. Not one.

― kenan, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

I see I should rank Jesse ahead of Frommers and Fodors for Chi info.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 26 March 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

I have never once so much as talked to a girl at the gym.

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

"Would you like to cooldown and walk in the park?"

― Eazy, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Dudes that go to Cheetah Gym are probably the kind of dudes who would pull that kind of shit, IMO.

"Hey, you need some pointers on your squat technique?"

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

Or

"Please excuse my beet-red face, sour-milk smell, and the fact that I'm dripping sweat on your shoes, but do you want to fuck or something?"

― mattttt, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

In a raffle last winter I won three free months at the Cheetah Gym. Haven't used it yet, since I belong to another gym.

― Eazy, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

Still haven't heard back re: park yet. :(

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

If anyone has friends/family discount passes to a gym, can I be the beneficiary? I need gym.

Cheetah gym in Andersonville is gay social central. I don't know about Wicker Park. But at A-ville, you won't find men hitting on women.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

~~Still haven't heard back re: park yet. :(~~

Park is on!

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan's going parking

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

Play on, playa.

― Eazy, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

I see I should rank Jesse ahead of Frommers and Fodors for Chi info.

Frommer's always leaves out the BJ ramp.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Next to the listing for Steamworks, they have little icons indicating No Pets, Showers, No Parking, and BJ Ramp.

― Eazy, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

BJ ramp >>> parking ramp

I'm out, meetingz and then drinking beer in the park. L8r.

― Jordan, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Off to The Chum Bucket.

― Jesse, Monday, 26 March 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

greetings chicago

― La Lechera, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

going for a walk in the park sounds like the NICEST possible thing to do today. instead i am trapped in an office. why are mondays always so nice? it's the one day of the week when I have to be indoors 9am-7pm.

― La Lechera, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

Hiya! Yeah, it's nice, and I agree with your sentiments about the day 1000%.

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Might I add: Let us not denigrate "nice" -- people need not use it as a pejorative. ("She's...nice.")

I smelled the glorious freshness this morning when I took the dogs out (6:45AM) and wished I could spend all day walking up and down the lakefront. A nice day, indeed.

I am no longer sick, in case anyone cares. The poison has worked its way out.

― La Lechera, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

I made blueberry shortcake last night.

― La Lechera, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yum. That's more involved than me. I just boiled some asparagus which was then mixed up with asiago.

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:24 (nineteen years ago)

Confession: I have never eaten a mussel.

― La Lechera, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

They are good, and very easy to prepare. White wine, garlic, lemon, parsley... mmmm.

― dan m, Monday, 26 March 2007 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

La Lechera = Am@nda? I haven't been keeping up with the threads. But now I'm on SPRING BREAK and feel like I ought to be in Chicago. But I am not.

― Casuistry, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/183/435706625_0d3c36b445.jpg?v=0

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 03:52 (nineteen years ago)

Someone tell me why I didn't notice that JOAN CUSACK was sitting 3 seats away from me at the Bulls game tonight?

― Jeff, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 04:13 (nineteen years ago)

Until the 4th quarter when they put her on the big screen and said that it was Joan Cusack. I would have never had known.

― Jeff, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 04:20 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda, mussels for two at the Hop Leaf are a glorious thing indeed. And one of their more reasonably priced food items ($20). And they come with wonderful crusty bread that you can soak in the broth AND french fries. With mayo! How Belgian!

― Jenny, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 04:26 (nineteen years ago)

I got your text about Joan Cusack. I'm envious! I love her SO MUCH.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 04:46 (nineteen years ago)

oh lord jesse. She's not as bad as the Dell guy, but really now.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:14 (nineteen years ago)

actually, iirc, she's not bad in movies. But her commercials have made her an unwelcome presence in my television viewing life.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:16 (nineteen years ago)

we were talking about this the other night

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:27 (nineteen years ago)

I love her commvercials! If I am not mistaken, Jeff loves her too. Courtney and Jenny will back me up with at least a little Joan-love.

As far as her commercials, if I am FFing through commercials and I see her, I will stop and rewind to watch.

I LOOOOOVE her lisp and her face. She is just one of those people that I INSTANTLY loved. It's a visceral adoration. Just like my instant and inexplicable dislike of Johnny Depp.

I feel a similar love at first sight for Parker Posey.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:29 (nineteen years ago)

I cannot argue with Parker Posey in any way.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:33 (nineteen years ago)

FFing sounds like something you do in a bath house.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:34 (nineteen years ago)

I am not arguing about Joan Cusack on the Internet.

That said, she's horrible.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:35 (nineteen years ago)

goddamnit i napped and now i can't sleep.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:37 (nineteen years ago)

my kitties lurve me. When I'm in the living room they sprawl around my feet, sometimes even on them. Then when I move to the bedroom, like now, they follow me dutifully and again surround me with unconditional cat love. Them roll over on their tummies for a hearty tummy scratch. Sometimes I service them both at once. CAT ORGY.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:41 (nineteen years ago)

haha I love your Joan Cusack-hate, John!

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:41 (nineteen years ago)

there's just something so unpleasantly ingratiating about her.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:50 (nineteen years ago)

i believe i will remember this day and evening as one of the prettiest of the year. It was just perfect, weather-wise.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 05:51 (nineteen years ago)

I really love The Many Faces of Parker Posey. The way she can be demure, vampish, bitchy, nearly terrifying, and be funny all the way through that range. She's really great.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:05 (nineteen years ago)

I saw Joan Cusack in a play years ago (with Kevin Bacon, and not on a stage but in a warehouse) and she was great. I don't like her on television. For years I wanted to direct her in a play in Chicago but never got the huevos to call her, and now that she's on billboards everywhere I'm less inclined to do so.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:08 (nineteen years ago)

They should do a new version of Alice with Joan Cusack as Vera and Gandolfini as Mel.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:11 (nineteen years ago)

wow, ok, i would totally see that

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:19 (nineteen years ago)

I want to shrink Joan and Parker to 2 feet tall and keep them around the house as pets.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 06:47 (nineteen years ago)

sounds like the plot of a vincent price movie or something.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 07:01 (nineteen years ago)

"THE LITTLE LADIES"

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 07:06 (nineteen years ago)

Guy directly behind us when they showed Joan on screen: Eh, her brother is pretty cool.

― Jeff, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 11:31 (nineteen years ago)

It's just my old name, but in Spanish, for ILXII: TNG.
In other, not-shocking news, I had no idea the food at the Hopleaf was so $$$$?! I've only been there a couple of times and fear going back because of crowds. I know it's better in the afternoon blablabla but you know me.

...or do you?

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

PS MAYO IS GROSSS GROSS GROSS GROSS.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 12:26 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, four $ were a little much. It's not the Peninsula Hotel. But still.

Speaking of - has anyone ever been to the chocolate buffet there? It's THIRTY TWO DOLLARS. We were invited for a b-day party and had to just get drinks instead. It was beautiful and all, but that's the kind of pricing that's meant to keep out the riffraff. Like me, I guess.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

PS "Alice" theme song is probably my favorite teevee theme song. I know there are others I love, but that one I love more than the others. Even the ba ba ba ba baaaaaaaaaa at the end.

Well Chicago, it was nice to see you again. I will be off to work now. XOXO

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 12:50 (nineteen years ago)

mayo IS gross

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:03 (nineteen years ago)

Eazy, you should call her anyway. Btw, what do you think of Qu3st theater co.? One of my friends in town is doing the music for an upcoming play.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

PS "Alice" theme song is probably my favorite teevee theme song.

a few spring to mind; sanford & son, barney miller, rockford files, and of course, maude. maude uber alles.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

Mornin'. I won't try to catch up with the ILX reading.

Guess what? I love the new Arcade Fire album.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:17 (nineteen years ago)

Have we talked about how TV shows don't have theme songs that explain the concept of the show anymore? I guess Arrested Development kind of did, but the plot summary was spoken, not sung.

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

A lot of shows don't even have original theme songs anymore, they just steal some pop song. That's lazy.

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

you take the good
you take the bad
you take 'em both
and there you have

the facts of life.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

God damn I have a big head in that picture.

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

Dumb question alert.

So, someone won that dress I put up on ebay, which is awesome. They are paying through paypal. I logged in to paypal and 'accepted' their payment. So, now what? Will that money show up in my checking account or is it just some kind of paypal credit I can only spend online??

― KitCat, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

It will just sit in your paypal account until you do something with it. If you have a checking account attached to paypal, you can just initiate transfer. You can also have them mail you a check, but I believe there is an extra fee for that.

― Jeff, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

yes, the money will be transferred to the checking account assuming you linked your paypal account to it when you set up the paypal account. when you buy something is that the account the money comes out of? if so that's where the money will go when you sell something.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, food at the Hop Leaf is too much money, I think. It's good, but still - it's just expensive enough to be a "special occasion" dinner. Especially because of how much beer we drink. It's actually "garlic aoli" and not mayo but I don't really know the difference.

You Joan-haterz will be pleased to know that she looks much older in person than on teevee. Eric, I think you should call her anyway. We observed her with her family and she is just really... normal.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

barney miller

Fave!

― Jenny, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan - I haven't heard of that theater co., though after looking at their website I'm surprised they haven't applied for funding through the program I work for (or maybe they have).

Never liked mayo.

I think Joan'd do a play in Chicago.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

JOHN, HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY! How was the partaaaay?

― KitCat, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

I like Joan. When I see those commercials it makes me wonder if John makes fun of her at Xmas dinner.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'm ready for another vacation.

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

I am going to keep my feelings on Joan Cusack a closely guarded secret.

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

i love this picture everytime they run it:

http://www.chicagoist.com/attachments/chicagoist_jocelyn/2007_03question.jpg

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

all the ones Kev mentioned are great, but I'm still partial to the melancholy of the Taxi theme song.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

Also, mayo is by far my favorite condiment, i put it on my french fries because ketchup is way too sweet, and keep that ketchup crap way away from my hamburger because it ruins meat with its weird sugariness.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Although, I would not say ketchup is gross. It's just not preferable.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to thank you people for defending my Joan from mean old Kenan.

I don't like her brother very much at all. Fuck you, John. Fuck you.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

Can I have him then? As a backup, I mean?

I hate mayo. It comes in a close second to my hatred for snakes. Worst case scenario for me would be forcing to eat a jar of mayo while standing in a snake pit.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

Or maybe being forced to eat snakes standing in a mayo pit....

― KitCat, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

SNAKES IN THE MAYO

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

This is why tuna salad is the most disgusting substance on the earth, because it incorporates both canned tuna fish and mayo.

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

The tuna salad at Treasure Island is magical.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

I used to dislike mayo, but it's pretty indispensable as lubrication on normal subs. Also, devilled eggs.

(tuna salad I can do without)

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Is it Hellmann's you find disgusting, or the very concept of an emulsification of eggs and oil? (Haven't we had this discussion before? :D)

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

I just bought tickets to New Orleans (actually Gulfport MS) for May 4th - 7th. So excited you guys.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

Because I agree Hellmann's (or similar products) is pretty gross.

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know... I like the real straight-up mayo best, Hellman's, whatever. The tangy zip of Miracle Whip is a bunch of hype.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

"Check it out, yo... it's mayonnaise, with a little bit of vinegar! Neat, huh?"

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

I used to dislike mayo, but it's pretty indispensable as lubrication on normal subs.

See, you used the word 'lubrication' which proves my point. :-D

― KitCat, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

haha, don't you remember the Hellman's gag from Hannah and Her Sisters?

― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

Mayostard
Mustardayonnaise

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Not sure why, but I was barred from ILX2 for about ten minutes there.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

mustardayonnaise otm

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

test

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

OK. I was barred, too.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Sarah. Thanks for the birthday wishes. The party was pretty fun.

I sort of feel the same way as Jordan about mayo -- as a kid, I preferred ranch or 1000 Island dressing on my sandwiches. But when I'm ordering from Jimmy John's or Bake for Me!, the mayo kind of makes the sandwich. I wouldn't buy it on my own, though. The thought of staring into a jar of opaque mayo oogs me out a bit. At home, my preferred sandwich condiments are mustard and hummus -- not usually at once, though I've tried that, too, and it's not bad.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

BAN JUANS

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

Also, mussels for one at Hopleaf are only $11. It's still a pretty decent-sized bucket, so I'd consider it splittable.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

I used to hate mayo, but I have come to enjoy it in certain situations. Favored burger condiments: mayo and ketchup. Same for french fry dip. Sometimes just mayo.

Restaurant mayo (actually labelled "Industrial Strength"!) is not very good. Better is Duke's from NC. People take their mayo VERY seriously in the South. When I worked at a grocery store, one of the biggest draws was when they put Duke's on sale for $1 a jar. People flooded the place.

Robin R. brings back jars of Duke's when she visits NC.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

Mussels for one are $11. Mussels for two are $20.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

Re TV theme songs ... it's true that we're no longer living in the golden age of theme songs.

Sometimes I like to put my keyboard on an "easy piano" setting and play the Doogie Howser theme. The instrumental, sax-driven ALF theme is underrated. Both of those I learned to play from a book of TV Theme Song sheet music I had when I was a kid. I think I discovered that I could play clarinet by ear when I figured out the LA Law theme.

The only one I have on my iPod, to my knowledge, is Law & Order. I wonder if that show started the trend of theme songs that didn't feature a strong hummable melody -- by the time you get to Lost, it's all just ambient.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

I like mayo within reason, mostly as a binding agent.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

>>Mussels for one are $11. Mussels for two are $20.

Right, I'm just saying, if you don't want that many mussels, you don't have to pay $20, you can just pay $11, even if you're with someone else.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

i bought tamales at the bottle last night. queso.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

also, since it was a free monday show i decided to once again run the "i should be on the list..." joke into the ground.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

BOOYEAH

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know what's gotten into me today.

Tamales do sound pretty good at the moment though, I didn't have any breakfast.

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, I want to say a word about public bathrooms. Sometimes they are dirty. This, however, is not the worst thing a bathroom can be. We've all been in a dirty bathroom, and we know what to do: in and out quick, don't touch anything, scrub up extra good. It's like dealing with a pee-smelling homeless person on the el. What's worse, I think, is a bathroom you have to pay to get into, which always messes with my head, and then once you're in there, everything is self-flushing (not being able to flush at my own discretion also messes with my head), the faucets are automatic and run for about 2 seconds, and the air dryers blow cold air. It's as if the restroom is saying, "You are not welcome in here, humanoid. Go away." It's a mean Scrooge of a bathroom.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

Not sure why, but I was barred from ILX2 for about ten minutes there.

"You have been barred" seems to be the new poxy fule, only 100x more rude.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

in and out quick is how you deal with a pee-smelling homeless person on the el?

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

haha

no comment

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Where do you have to pay to get into a bathroom?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Corner Bakery

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Also, the Borders on Clark and Diversey

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

There's also a weird kind of panic implied when a business installs pay toilets, like someone went OMG DIRTY PEOPLE OFF THE STREET MIGHT USE THIS BATHROOM AND NOT BUY ANYTHING! Woah, woah, it's a toilet, relax duder.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

I can't decide whether or not I hate self-flushing toilets. I mean, true, you don't have to touch a handle, but I usually do that with my shoe anyway (ha ha! you touched the bottom of my shoe!). I just hate it how it always seems to flush before I can get my pants pulled up and get out of the stall. Then it shoots icky toilet water all over the place. I always feel like a bomb is about to blow and I have to get the H out of there.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

What's worse, I think, is a bathroom you have to pay to get into

Where are you, Europe?

Oh wait, I see xposts. I thought at Borders you just got a token?

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

Borders toilets take tokens which you get from the staff.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

xpost.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

ah. I haven't been there in a while, it used to cost a quarter.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know about Corner Bakery, but Argo has token toilets too.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

I have had that same experience with self-flushing toilets, Sarah. But the bathroom here at work is entirely self-flushing, so I'm kind of used to it by now -- I know how to keep it from flushing before I'm ready for it to do so. We also have a paper towel dispenser where you just have to wave your hand in front of it, and it will dispense a paper towel for you. Sometimes it gets activated by people just walking past it, though, which is kind of annoying.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Moral of this story: businesses don't want to take any of your shit, just your money

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Token is worse than a quarter, I think, because then you have to ask to go to the bathroom. Which is of course the whole idea: keep the riff raff out of the restrooms. But it's degrading.

I'll get over it, I'm just sayin.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

Asking for a token is easier than getting change for a dollar.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

true, true.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

I wonder how much of the auto-everything in a bathroom is there for sanitation's sake, because you don't have to touch anything, and how much is there to keep people from wasting water and towels.

If only there were some way the could cyber-wipe your butt, I'm sure they'd do it.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

cyber wipe

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

OMG Demolition Man

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

THE THREE SHELLS

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

or something like that, right?

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

John Spartan: [whispering to Lenina] Look, I don't know if you guys know it, but uh... you're out of toilet paper.
Alfredo Garcia: [confused] Did... did you say toilet *paper*?
Lenina Huxley: Um... they used handfuls of wadded paper back in the 20th...
[Lenina, Alfredo, and Erwin all laugh]
John Spartan: I'm happy that you're happy, but the place where you're supposed to have the toilet paper, you've got this little shelf with three seashells on it.
Erwin: He doesn't know how to use the three seashells!
[Erwin continues to laugh, then calms down]
Erwin: I can see how that could be confusing.

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

What a weird joke.

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Worthy of its own thread, I think.

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

Man, that character's name was "Lenina Huxley"?

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

What is that from?

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I see, never mind.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

man i really got a craving for a burrito. or is that "for some burritos"?

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

um... depends on how many burritos, I would think?

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

that and the size of the burrito(s). one might do if sufficiently huge enough.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

At most all places I've been to in this town, if you can eat more than one burrito you're either very hungry or... well probably just very hungry.

Damn it, now I want a taco with green salsa.

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Chipotle has those burritos that are bigger than your head.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'm having OMG BBQ ribs for lunch. How can I be expected work after this? I'm gonna need a beer and a nap.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

a deadly chain reaction

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

I had Taqueria Moran for the first time the other day. Would recommend!

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

i wind up getting a burrito bowl at chipotle (i haven't been to chipotle in two years, i just realized) because half the burrito would wind up falling out anyway. flash taco makes burritos the size of a can of tennis balls.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

GETA TACO, MORANS

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh that doesn't help quell my longing for green salsa. Theirs is so perfect.

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

(Moran, not Chipotle)

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan next time you come to town we should go to Moran.

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

That reminds me: I'm not going to work tomorrow. Anyone wanna do lunch?

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

I'm down, where is it?

(not tomorrow, but next time)

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

Re: pay toilets. I saw one last month right on Union Square in San Francisco - very European-style, I think even the floor gets a wash after each use.

Corner Bakery in the Gold Coast (attached to Big Bowl) is the worst re tokens, because you go down a flight of stairs and a long hallway, only to realize (or remember) that you have to get a token from the counter back upstairs.

I bought something (new Innocence Mission CD) at Borders on Sunday night (Hard Boiled and Record Emporium didn't have it), and once again I had the experience of waiting in line for about five minutes for the sole cashier in the store to be available. One cashier!

Token is worse than a quarter, I think, because then you have to ask to go to the bathroom. Which is of course the whole idea: keep the riff raff out of the restrooms. But it's degrading.

You know, there are clever ways to signal disapproval of this policy by giving too much information to the clerk.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

Oh shit, is it right by Hot Doug's?

That would be a tough decision. I would probably need a hot dog and a taco. Or two of each.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

It's about a mile and a half south of Hot Doug's. Same street.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

It's on the same street as Hot Doug's (California) but about a mile and a half south. It's right under the California Blue Line stop.

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Ha xpost

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Dan, I think I can Hot Doug's tomorrow.

I've never been to Swank Frank. In Wicker Park, I was a Flash Taco man until I turned into a Santullo's man. I love that place, especially the big windows and booths.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

Nice work.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

For me, being a mile and a half from Hot Doug's = I will soon be full of meat

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

I have also never been to Swank Frank. I may have to swing by for a farewell veggie dog before they close. Santullo's is pretty good when you're in the mood for something incredibly greasy and delicious.

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

this thread title keeps making me tamales. stop!

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

swank frank is nothing to write home about, but when i like it better than the char-dogs at underdog. i too am a fan of santullo's, especially after work when it's a hop skip and a jump from the el. i get a pbr and a couple of slices and watch the people walking by on north ave.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

Thread doesn't make me tamales. :(

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

I think she means that the thread keeps making her *poop* tamales. Obviously.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

thread keeps making me lick tamales

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

thread keeps making me fondle tamales

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

no keenan, it's making me tamales and shooting them out of dvd drive.

mmm, chicago tamales.

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

thread keeps making me steal tamales.

STOP STEALING TAMALES, YOU GONNA GET JAILED

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Tamale Guy

Tamale Guy

― Eazy, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Better Version of Tamale Guy

― Eazy, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

Hooray I will be myspace buds with tamale guy!

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

tell him to come to my office. right now.

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Nah, he's more of a bar guy. You have to wait and have tamales and beer. (And come to Chicago.)

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

My only beef with the tamale guy is that he doesn't respect ballads and quiet music.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

tamales trump quiet

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

I will have tamales and margaritas for dinner tonight.

but right now, I could eat some shit out of some tamales.

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

shit tamales have never been my favorite. :(

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:41 (nineteen years ago)

you must not have had them done right.

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

wait wait--lunch at hot doug's tomorrow? I'm in!!!!

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:44 (nineteen years ago)

I went ahead and downloaded that old Helmet record, because, why not? And turns out, it's a lot like this:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/fluxion23/rawkcat.gif

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

Meantime? YSI?

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

Also, EZ/HS (and whoever else isn't workin): Hot Doug's it is. What time? The noon hour will probably be pretty busy there, and I have some errands I've got to do.

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

That pic scares me.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

do you want to go to Hot Doug's at 1?

yay!

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

My reactions to seeing this headline on Yahoo News, in the order that I had them:

"Tests show Snow's cancer has returned (AP)"

1. Oh no, one-hit-wonder Canadian rapper Snow has cancer!
2. (After actually opening article) It's pretty hardcore that dude is getting cancer just to cancel out John Edwards' wife for sympathy votes.

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

I am a moron.

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

Oh no, one-hit-wonder Canadian rapper Snow has cancer!

haha, sometimes I think my consciousness is permananently frozen in the mid-90's; that was my first thought, too.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

1 o'clock @ Hot Doug's works for me. EZ?

Great phrase from the Snow story: “an aggressive sense of caution”

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

i just barely got out of the puma store with my life. MUST... NOT... BUY... MORE... SHOES!

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

chilx chix: I just bought a bathing suit at Target. is it going to fall apart on me?

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Whats up man! hey yo whats up!
Yeah whats goin on here.
Sick an tired of five-oh runnin up on the block here.
You know what Im sayin?
Yo snow, they came around here lookin for you the other day.
Word? word! bust it!

Chorus
Informer, you no say daddy me snow me Ill go blame,
A licky boom boom down.
Detective mon said daddy me snow me stab someone down the lane,
A licky boom boom down.
Informer, you no say daddy me snow me Ill go blame,
A licky boom boom down.
Detective mon said daddy me snow me stab someone down the lane,
A licky boom boom down.

Police them come an now they blow down me door,
One him come crawl through, through my window,
So then they put me in the back the car at the station,
From that point on me reach my destination,
When the destination reached, it was the east detention, where them
Whipped down me pants, looked up me bottom, so

Chorus

Bigger they are they think they have more power,
Theyre on the phone me say that on (every) hour,
Me for want to use it once an now me call me lover,
Lover who Ill be callin is the one tammy,
An me love her in me heart down to my belly,
Yes me daddy me snow me I feel cool an deadly,
As the one mc shan an the one daddy snow,
Together we-a loveem as a tor-na-do.

Chorus

Listen for me, you better listen for me now.
Listen for me, you better listen for me now.
When me rockin the microphone me rock it steady,
Yes sir, daddy me snow me are the article done.
But in the in an the out of a dance them they say where you come from,
People them say you come from jamaica,
But me born an raised in the ghetto thats the one I want you to know,
Pure black people mon thats all I mon know.
Yeah me shoes are tear up an me toes used to show,
Where me born in on the one toronto, so

Chorus

Come with a nice young lady. intelligent,
Yes shes gentle an irie.
Everywhere me go, me never left her at all.
Yes, its daddy snow me are the roam dance mon.
Roam between a dancin in a in a nation-a.
You never know say daddy me snow me are the boom shakata.
Me never lay-a down flat in that one cardboard box.
Yes say me daddy me snow me Ill go reachin at the top, so...

Chorus

Why would he?

Me sittin round cool with my dibbie dibbie girl,
Police knock my door,
Lick up my pal,
Rough me up an I cant do a thing
Pick up my line, when my telephone ring.
Take me to the station,
Black up my hands.
Trail me down, cuz Im hangin with the snowman,
What Im gonna do,
Im backed an Im trapped,
Slap me in the face an took all o my gap.
They have no clues an they wanna get warmer,
But shan wont turn informer!

― n/a, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

Meantime? YSI?

can do.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

haha Jessa just saw Simon Pegg at borders buying a copy of... wait for it... Shaun of the Dead.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

1 p.m., Hot Doug's, it's a go.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

yay!

guys, seriously, is it okay to buy a bathing suit at Target?

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

uh

I think I got mine there, or maybe it was Marshall's... regardless, they work fine but dude wear is generally lower maintainence, no?

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, dude bathing suits seem like a simple matter, but still, that's encouraging.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ Simon Pegg

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

I saw Science of Sleep last night. It was alright, if you like emo.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

target still sells those suits with the water soluble stitching, right?

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

oh noes!

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

I saw Science of Sleep last night. It was alright, if you like ~~emo~~great looking movies with flimsy plots.

Why do you call it "emo"?

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

IN CIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRCLES

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Is Gmail dead for anyone else?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

yes, for me too jesse.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

yeah it's dead everywhere

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Artist dude was totally emo.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

"everywhere" != my computer

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

dude was nuttier than a fruitcake

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

I think emo will be the defining aesthetic of this decade, at least in contrast with the 1990s. The nihilistic hit-man gives way to Brokeback Mountain.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

I'm talking to Adamrl on Gmail right now.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

I also want to shrink Gael Garcia Bernal and have him around the apartment.

Actually, on second thought, I'd prefer him life-sized.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

I'm on gmail but it's been slow and weird all day

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

"everywhere" != my computer

srsly? I'm still getting a server error

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, if he wasn't so good looking he would be much creepier/crazier in that movie.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

It shows you as online but idle, Kenan. I just said hello to you.

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like I have this conversation every couple months or so, but TS: Gael Garcia Bernal vs. Diego Luna.

I take GGB.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

I will never get that message.

Unless gchat is open at home, that might be what you're saying hi to

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

How about this:

What browser are you using to try to access Gmail, and to what end?

Firefox
Hearthache

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

GGB hands down. I sometimes still lapse into calling him "the hot boy" sometimes. i.e. "we should go see X movie. the hot boy's in it."

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

sometimes sometimes sometimes

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

On the other hand I tried IE and it at least showed the login page, but then died after that.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

I was just napping and I woke up from a horribly violent dream. I was in Spain and I had to kill my sister (I have no sister). I had to do so by cutting her head off. She had knives as well and kept trying to cut my arms and legs off.

Some stranger stopped us and said that maybe the reason we were cutting each others' arms and legs was that our torsos were by far our best feature, so rather than try to cut our limbs, we should just accentuate our torsos.

There was music that went, "Is it in your heeead? (In your head) Is it in your head," (repeat forever).

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, it will let you TRY to login, but then gives you ol' 500 server error. This is also true in Safari, Shiira, Opera, you name it. It ain't the browser.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

Um, get a Mac?

(I keed)

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

I'm on a Mac! Actually, I have one of each here. My desk is crowded.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny, you and Jeff watching Turistas and the like?

― Eazy, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

It's probably because you have a PC so close to your Mac that you can't get onto Gmail.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

There was music that went, "Is it in your heeead? (In your head) Is it in your head," (repeat forever).

ZAH-OMBIE, ZAH-OMBIE, ZAH-OMBIE-BIE-BIE

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

Unless gchat is open at home, that might be what you're saying hi to

This happens to me all the time.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thepeoplebrand.com/images/pcmac.jpg

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

It's probably because you have a PC so close to your Mac that you can't get onto Gmail.

haha BAD VIBES, MAAAAN

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

I just checked on my PC (I have both at work also) and it worked there too!

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

you're connecting to a different server than us

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mac.ge/files/45.jpg

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

OMG the "Zombie" bit from above just made me think of the Office and start laughing a little bit.

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

There was music that went, "Is it in your heeead? (In your head) Is it in your head," (repeat forever).

ZAH-OMBIE, ZAH-OMBIE, ZAH-OMBIE-BIE-BIE

Oh man, I wonder if this was an influence. There was a definite bitch-won't-die feeling to the dream (you know that feeling, right? When you're trying to kill a bitch, and the bitch won't die?).

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

I am using gmail on IE on a PC, and it is working but slow.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Still no Gmail. And I had a new email, too--a rarity these days.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

Guys, TWOP is down.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Wait, what?

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to gchat w/John, but then I had work to do, and now he's not on.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

TV w/o pity?

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

Crap. I got cut from work for tonight. The days of wine and roses (and paying off old tax bills) are soon to be over.

HEY. Where did the "So excited you guys" meme originate?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Tuesday is my day to get excited about tomorrow's L O S T, so I read the recap from the previous episode and then listen to the podcast at ABC.com.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

It's from a Wondermark comic, I think.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse: it's from this comic.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, wow. I'm surprised that I didn't remember, since that's the first Wondermark I ever read.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

OK, to-do:

laundry (OH GOD THE LAUNDRY!)
excercising my young, supple body
TAXES!
work on my cuticles-- mani- and pedi-
manscaping

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of manscaping--I have an ingrown hair on a sensitive member of my anatomy. It kind of scared me, since it was a sore bump that appeared recently after breaking a dry spell, but thank god there was a hair all curled up inside. Still hurts though.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

T

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― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

I guess maybe you all noticed, but the weather has changed DRASTICALLY in the last three hours or so.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse, one time I had a scary ingrown hair like that and my mom assured me it was cancer and I would die. She even went so far as to talk to me about a ton of research on different treatment options all the way up to dropping me off at the hospital.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

WAHT

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

wow, WAY TO STAY POSITIVE MOM!

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that was a darker moment in her otherwise impeccable record of perfect motherhood. I remind her of it all the time.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Jesus!

He's the one who gives young girls cancer of the whatzit.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

My gmail has been down all afternoon.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:56 (nineteen years ago)

i was typing out a response to an email, went to send it and got the server error message. that was about 3 hours ago.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

One beautiful summer day, and now cold and rain.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

and now it's back!

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

er, xpost.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

actually, i'm trying to send something and it says "sending" but i don't think it will finish.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't call today cold.

Yesterday I got on the train and the fucking heat was on. I crossed to another car and it was on there too. So I got off at the next stop and caught a different train. This happens about once every spring and fall.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

Looks like lows of 35-40 this week (here anyway)

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's 40 now, which is not COLD, no, but it was 30-35 degrees warmer this morning, so it feels like a big difference.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

The weather right this second can eat a dick.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

I am improperly dressed, that's for certain

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I didn't wear a jacket today.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

The radio this morning said wear a jacket, so I heeded their warning.

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

I have a jacket, but I want a coat!

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

The radio this morning told me to wear a tiny umbrella hat, so I heeded their warning.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

What station do you listen to?

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.woz.org/images/Segway_umbrella_hat.jpg

― Jordan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

What station do you listen to?

WCKY, Wacky FM!

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

This is their morning guy:

http://images.google.com/url?q=http://www.costumes4less.com/prodimages/thumbnails/5/thumbnailFW8513AR.jpg&usg=__iDj476gMYW6594rFHxO2Z4y-aJE=

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

ed curran the weather guy on cbs 2 said we had a better than 50/50 chance of rain this afternoon or evening so i wore a hoodie under my jacket. good thing i did.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

So I had an interesting convo with my students* today about ghetto neighborhoods. One lady said that she signed up for low income housing and they tried to put her in Henry Horner (The "Hornets") and it was such an atrocity she walked straight through and left. This is circa '85 or so. I thought that was interesting because I am having them read some chapters from There Are No Children Here. Anyway...

Switching gears from projects to neighborhoods we know and live in, then a couple of other students started talking about how they used to live on Potomac (in varying spots on Potomac) and were accustomed to hitting the deck because of constant shootouts. This one lady said that she worked the late shift and used to get off the Division bus near Clemente and was terrified every single night that she would get caught in crossfire.

To contrast, Filter and Swank Frank -- which were part of the later waves of WP gentri-renovation, as I understand it -- are closing to make room for what -- a bank or something? Things are different, eh? I realize that this is a different section of the neighborhood and all, but still. I thought it was interesting.

Also like 1/3 of my students have read My Bloody Life. (I have too.)

*note: these are bilingual/native-like speakers who just need help writing

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

pardon the long post, but i thought WP/UV/west siders would be interested.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/041595181X.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg

This book (which I haven't actually read) is about the gentrification of Wicker Park in the 1990s.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:33 (nineteen years ago)

I've read it! Most of it, at least. I thought I was going to use it for my class with the Chinese people last summer but it turns out they were more interested in shopping.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

This one lady said that she worked the late shift and used to get off the Division bus near Clemente and was terrified every single night that she would get caught in crossfire.

i guess in the 70's there were drive bys almost every day at that corner.

a woman i work with who is 20+ years older than me was born and raised on north/damen/milwaukee and where her dad died in 80 or 81 she sold the house he lived in for a song because no one wanted to live in that neighborhood.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

When I asked them (not innocently) who lives there now, their answer?

Yuppies.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

^^^when her dad died in '80 or '81.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

I heard an interview with the author of that book a few months ago on 848, it was quite interesting.

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, that book looks good.

― kenan, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

To contrast, Filter and Swank Frank -- which were part of the later waves of WP gentri-renovation, as I understand it -- are closing to make room for what -- a bank or something? Things are different, eh?

it would have been worse if the double door (a club that i don't really like that much) had lost it's lease and the proposed banana republic had taken it's spot. somehow that would have been much more symbollic of change to me. probably because i gravitate more towards bars and music venues than coffee shops, i guess.

― chicago kevin, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

yeah - i guess my point is that even those places (music venues, bars, coffee shops, etc) are signals of the renovation of that area.

the book is a little heavy on the social sciences jargon for my taste in casual reading, but it was pretty good. i also found it a little overly sympathetic with hipsters, but whatever.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

Not that I'm anti-anti-gentrification, but I always think that if we someday go through a period where neighborhoods get more unsafe and run-down a little at a time that we'll be nostalgic for the problems of gentrificaiton.

Kenan's earlier post led me to find this and, subsequently, this

― Eazy, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 22:03 (nineteen years ago)

Wow. About a hundred people, some with banners, just paraded past my house with police escort chanting "What do we want? (Peace) When do we want it? (Now)". It didn't exactly look like an anti-war thing. I gotta wonder who they're trying to reach by heading down our little side street...

― dan m, Tuesday, 27 March 2007 23:39 (nineteen years ago)

Tonight at Spin Cycle a crazy guy got into an argument with a woman. He had picked up her purse from the folding table and barked, "Get out of my space, I'm trying to do laundry." But his clothes were still in the washer and she was taking hers out of the dryer to fold them. He said, "I'm not going to dry my clothes, and I need to fold them, so get out of my way!" She refused, demanded to know her name, which she wouldn't tell him.

The attendant told him to move and let the woman be, which he did, but first he screamed at her, "You have no sense of fairness. You're gonna get it! Have you ever heard of eternal torture forever??."

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

maybe i'm sheltered, but i swear sometimes you must be making this shit up. I never see people that crazy.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:23 (nineteen years ago)

You gotta keep your eyes open. Actually, I don't even have to do that, and I see them everywhere.

Maybe it's my lack of iPod.

Anyway, I'm not making it up! Jenny gets her fair share of them too.... Actually, she saw some unique crazies at 2 seperate Spin Cycles--the loud mean tranny and the guy in the corduroy blazer--I forget what he did.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:29 (nineteen years ago)

maybe it's in-building laundry that saves me

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

me on the phone with julia earlier today:

me: I'm on the train.
julia: Any masturbating midgets around?
me: No.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:31 (nineteen years ago)

what happened to yr ipod, jesse?

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:32 (nineteen years ago)

My mini put in a brave 2 years of dealing with my abuse. A few weeks ago I dropped it on a concrete floor and it tried to play Garbage's "Special" but just couldn't do it. It would neither play nor turn off. No amount of resetting could bring it back.

Good night, sweet mini. May flights of angels speed thee to thy rest. :(

But like a merry widow, I went and bought a 30 gig replacement. It should arrive Friday. I really wish I had sprung the $5 for 2nd day shipping!

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 04:52 (nineteen years ago)

ooh... i have the 30 gig too, and it's fiiiine. Plenty big, too. I feel like the 60 or 80 gigs are for people who hope to have all the music they own on their ipod, and I'm so far past that, a 30 gig with a semi-weekly-or-so update to the music works just great.

Sorry about your loss, but you'll like the new one. Did you get black or white?

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 05:02 (nineteen years ago)

I got white. I like black, but I got white because it seemed really....austere? Anyway, I'm going to be putting a cover over it, and that might have color.

Any opinions about those cases that cover the controller? I would like maximum protection, but I don't want to lose sensitivity. (Go ahead and give me advice on condoms (which also cover my controller) while you're at it!) But seriously--do you use, or have you tried one of those all-over cases?

Also, is it possible to rip a DVD and put it on the iPod in a really straight-forward way?

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 06:00 (nineteen years ago)

"Have you ever heard of eternal torture forever??."

is that a built to spill album?

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

HEY I dunno if anyone was serious about karaoke this Saturday, but I won't be able to attend because I'm going to see High School II. Saturday marks the beginning of Wiseman Week 2007. Wiseman Week 2003 was good to me, so I look forward to this one.

I won't be crushed if you still want to go. It's difficult to get everyone in the same place at the same time.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:11 (nineteen years ago)

i will be OUT OF TOWN!!!!

i can not wait. maybe next week?

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

That's the first I've heard of karaoke. We should do it when you can make it, A.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Agreeance.

SARAH. I like the new Arcade Fire, too. I listened to it on the way to work this morning and it fit nicely with the weather and my commute. I actually like this one more than their last, which I didn't dislike, but just never got all that excited about.

IN OTHER NEWS I'm wearing these super low rise jeans that Christy gave me when I went to visit her and that means I am treating the EEOC to a view of my crack all day.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yaaaaaay. Really, I can't think of anything else that would get in the way of karaoke except for Wiseman movies and serious illness. But next week is SPRING BREAK -- I may be out of town in Iowa visiting fam. I dunno. Ugh. I hate planning.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

Yaaay to your crack!

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

I'm down for karaoke whenever. You name the time and the place, and I'll be there.

HOWEVER, we also need to decide on a recording time for CHILX All-Star Band Mach II. Maybe we can do that this weekend? It sounds like the comp is filling up fast.

I forgot to listen to Arcade Fire. I listened to Jesu's "Sun Down/Sun Rise" EP and now I'm listening to Besnard Lakes. AF will be next up.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

I should say: there is a 90% chance I will be out of town next weekend. I have Friday AND Saturday off, making it a rare three day weekend. (Normally I have the Sat. class and would have to go through the loathesome process of getting a sub.) If things change re: next weekend, however, you will be the first to know.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

I would like to see Frederick Wiseman's Karaoke.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

I also have to wear a belt with these jeans because the waist is so wide compared to the ass part. Whose body do these pants actually fit?

I need to do some laundry.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

What's good Chicago?

I'm deeply in like with the new Arcade Fire. Also excited to see these new tunes performed live next month.

I don't get the Besnard Lakes love spreading around. There's a couple tracks I really dig, but the whole thing leaves me kinda cold.

Anyone that can help me get into Kompakt? What's a good starting point? Any links to mixes that would be good to hear?

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

Jeff and John probably know way more about Kompakt than me, but the new albums from Gui Boratto and the Field are both good, and songs from both should be on my Q1 2007 mix, which will hopefully be ready for downloading soon.

The Besnard Lakes album is pleasant but not amazing or anything. It's good to listen to while working, not too distracting.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

Total 1, 2, 3, 6, 7

Never really got into the Pop Ambients.

Jess is spot on with http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/record_review/41792-from-here-we-go-sublime album as well, if you're looking for the latest release.

― Jeff, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

That Field album is what actually prompted the question. I've been really enjoying that over the past week or so and I'm curious to hear what else is out there. Kompakt is just one of those labels I've read tons about, but haven't really heard much of.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

Manda et al, I wouldn't be able to do anything this Saturday night since I'm going to the Ponys show. Why would John want to go to that? ha ha

Jenny, I don't think those jeans even have a waist. Lowrise seems to mean they start below the hips. I'm happy because I'm wearing my Levis today which don't require beltage to not fall off my ass.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

Why is it so cold in my office?

I feel like I haven't seen any of you in months.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

Except for Sarah.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

Ditto, Nick.

One more, no. Two more things about these jeans and then I will STFU re: my pants: there are brass rivets on the pockets in a swirly pattern, which is quite a departure for me style-wise, and I am having an alergic reaction to my belt buckle.

BUT. My hair looks pretty good today given that I need a hair cut and probably should have washed it this morning.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:24 (nineteen years ago)

today is my friday chicago.

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

I love that Field album, but I keep confusing it on my playlists with Field Music and starting the wrong album.

jeff OTM about total 3, that's the stone classic, but I wouldn't skip total 4 either. And individual artist albums from Justus Köhncke and Superpitcher and Closer Musik and the like are well worth finding. And I like the Pop Ambient series, but bear in mind that it's ambient, not pop.

And I'll think of a bunch more favorite albums and mixes in a minute and post about them for the next hour to everyone's annoyance. Stay tuned.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

Also related, I dig the shit out of these guys. They're not on Kompakt, but they are distributed by Kompakt, so you can buy the record from the Kompakt site. Recommended.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Who else does Kompakt distribute? I see a lot of Bpitch Control records when I browse there, too.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

I almost bought that Field album last night, but figured I have more minimal wallpaper/napping than I'll probably ever need. Then I almost bought a Stereolab album, but couldn't decide which one and figured that maybe I could just get John or someone to YSI. ;)

I did get Children of Men on dvd, though.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

I will be out of town this weekend, too, but y'all should still karaoke.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

figured I have more minimal wallpaper/napping than I'll probably ever need

no, it's not like that! Check it out.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

MBN, Kevin. Are you working a full day? When do you leave?

Jenny, my hair has reached an awful point. I don't see how some people go so long without getting hair cuts - I'm a little over my three month mark right now - but I guess also mine looks worse since I have grown out highlights going on. I am so ready for seeing L3anne Saturday and looking like a somewhat normal person again.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I feel like I have entirely too much hair these days. I'm always pulling strands off my clothes. Ick.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone that can help me get into Kompakt? What's a good starting point? Any links to mixes that would be good to hear?

While not technically a Kompakt release, I think Michael Mayer's Fabric 13 mix is a good introduction to the genre. I also really like Superpitcher's Today mix. Part of how I got into Kompakt was by listening to those albums in bed, with the lights off.

I want to hear the Field album. YSI?

(I'd be happy to YSI any Kompakt stuff. I bet Jeff has more than I do, though.)

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, I will check it out.

Also, I am on the last disc of the Wire season 1 and I am totally hooked.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

I bet Jeff has more than I do, though.

I don't want to whine, but I think I should get credit for having the most Kompakt. Everything up to 2005 acquired in one big 50 record glob.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan, have you heard any Stereolab? I could make you a best-of along with your Sonic Youth best-of. Those are probably my two favorite bands ever, so it'd be fun.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Fine, Kenan, you win.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

Fine, Kenan, you win the Kompakt kock-measuring kontest.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

Oh! Oh! DO NOT MISS Michael Meyer's Immer mix. And Immer 2 is nearly as good, IMO, though there could be an argument about that if we were on ILM.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

I almost mentioned Immer, too -- but I think I like the other two I mentioned just a shade better.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

the Kompakt kock-measuring kontest.

I want to see the trophy for this. Angular, distinctly German, yet pleasantly cock-shaped.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know if I get Chromophobia. I've heard it twice, and I really love some tracks, but others seem tedious and leave me absolutely cold.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan, have you heard any Stereolab? I could make you a best-of along with your Sonic Youth best-of. Those are probably my two favorite bands ever, so it'd be fun.

No, I've only ever heard like two tunes. That would be awesome...I was actually in the store thinking "I know I already asked John to make me a mix, was it Stereolab or something else???"

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

I watched Double Indemnity for the first time last night. Good stuff.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Jesus, Kenan.

I love that Fabric 13 mix, just to add another voice to the chorus. I'm also fond of Total 7, IIRC.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

total 7 is great! I don't get the big hoopla over total 6, tho.

Jesus, Kenan.

waht is this regarding?

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

You're need to be recognized as having more expert authority than Jeff in the area of electronic music.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

Your, that is.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

7 is too long! Two discs is too much Kompakt.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

oh lord no, i am no expert! But I can ysi, is all I meant.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

jeff has all the props. I bow to jeff's taste in electronic music, you know that!

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

I don't get the big hoopla over total 6, tho.

I've never heard it, but looking at the track listing, it has Rex the Dog's "I Look Into Mid-Air" and MFA's "The Difference it Makes" (although not the Superpitcher remix).

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

I think 7 is the one I like BUT I have probably listened to it the entire way through twice, maybe. That's the secret to enjoying double albums!

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i dig the shit out of the first 6 or 7 tracks on 7 and after that i'm just riding the train, reading with headphones on, yannow?

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

re: total 6 -- i think it's just an ILM thing, where some dudes like jess were leading a charge going, "KOMPAKT IS BACK!" And I'm all like, uh...

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

kompakt kock kills thread?

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

I'm working up the nerve to start asking my attorney friends to find me a job.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

well, that's how it works, right? They're not going to be offended.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny, having a baby and diving right into law school year 2: possible or insane?

(I just heard that one of my former co-workers, a very nice girl, is doing this)

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Anything is possible if you follow your dreams and listen to your heart.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

I'm working up the nerve to start asking my attorney friends to find me a job.

When I graduated school, I went home to live with my parents and work as a cook because I couldn't find shit. After I moved here, still nothing. I sent out a shit-ton of resumes with nothing but a small pile of form letter denials to show for it. It wasn't till I talked to a local bartender that I found a job. There's something to this who you know bullshit.

― mattttt, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Anything is possible if you follow your dreams and listen to your heart.

lol YES I learned this from watching Yentl.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

It's too bad I only know losers like you guys.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe kenan can hook you up with a job at Honey With Colts, Inc.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Hey I've tried to help, I just don't have any pull with central HR!

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Hi, I am bored.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

I know, I'm just yanking peoples' chains because I am bored.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to decide what I'm going to have at Hot Doug's this afternoon.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Veggie dog.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

That's what the really adventurous diners have.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Corn or standard?

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Elk sausage.

I wonder if the veggie dog comes with a side of scorn.

― William Selman, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

Smoked and Spicy Alligator Sausage with Cajun Shrimp Mayonnaise and Blue Cheese

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

This sounds pretty good too: Sweet Pepper and Mozzarella Chicken Sausage with Spicy Vodka-Cream Marinara and Fresh Mozzarella Cheese

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny I wd give you all this loyering jobs if I could!

― Laurel, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, probably no scorn on second thought. Hot Doug is if anything a supremely nice guy.

― William Selman, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

loitering jobs

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

I just got a promotion! No new responsibilities, just a new job title to reflect my current responsibilities. And a raise.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Nice, dude.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

Yup. :)

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

AWES! Congratulations! We should celebrate this soon!

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Sure! The raise was minimal, though, so don't expect me to go around buying multiple rounds for everyone. (The drunkest I've ever been was when a friend of mine got a huge raise and was setting me up with pint after pint, before I could finish them.)

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

(Actually, that was the worst hangover I've ever had. Not necessarily the same thing.)

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

Congrats duder. I want a raise.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

I watched Double Indemnity for the first time last night. Good stuff.

jaymc on Wednesday, 28 March 2007 15:03 (36 minutes ago)

i would just like to say that i agree with you, john. :)

― JuliaA, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yay John!

Jordan - that is arguably good timing. You rarely have more flexibility than when you're in school, plus loans help with the finances. She'll have the baby way before the bar study stress commences (a colleague of mine studied for the bar while pregnant and the week before the exam had some complications and her doc told her not to take the bar exam as it would be risky to her pregnancy due to the stress, for whatever that's worth, so now she's a SAHM, which is sort of a waste of $150k if you ask me but nobody did) and she won't have to cope with employers refusing to hire her because she's a childless woman and childless women are just ticking time bombs as employees because they are going to get knocked up and go on maternity leave ASAP. I actually thought about it since I'm not getting any younger, but then decided that it was not actually a good idea.

Yes, networking is the key to me finding all these lawyer jobs. I'm just out of practice for straight up asking people to do me personal favors. I'll call anybody and ask for anything for Worker Justice, Inc., but that's different. My first foray into it was pretty mild - I just asked an attorney who is a member of a union-side labor lawyer's org to forward my resume for posting on a resume bank. Baby steps.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

I am meeting with my boss next week for lunch, which if history holds true, means I will also receive a raise. However, if history continues to hold true, this will be a very very minimal raise that will have little effect on my overall finances.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Congrats to you, though, John. Sorry for sounding like sour grapes.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

woohoo raise!

― JuliaA, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

employers refusing to hire her because she's a childless woman and childless women are just ticking time bombs as employees because they are going to get knocked up and go on maternity leave ASAP

grrr

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

However, if history continues to hold true, this will be a very very minimal raise that will have little effect on my overall finances.

Yeah, like I said, mine is pretty small as well. It's really the promotion that I'm more excited about. I'm now considered a senior copy editor, and I get to attend meetings and stuff.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

The only things I don't like about my current job are 1) not much pay and 2) no real room for advancement (and more pay). Which is especially frustrating because I actually like the work and the company and my coworkers for the most part, so it sucks that I feel that I have to look for something else because I know I can't really afford to work here for a really long time.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

My bosses love me too much for me to look for another job, which feels like a really lame reason not to try to do better. :( But I'm single and carefree and not much money is not much problem.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

I liked McNulty's rant about lawyer networking in the last Wire ep that I watched. But that was about the DARK SIDE of networking.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

What did he say? Perhaps he discussed pitfalls I should avoid. Like maybe I should cancel the fruit bouquets and tickets for hot air baloon rides.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

it was something to the effect of how all lawyers do is blow each other and nobody gets any justice because it's all so political

iirc

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

RONNIE: Fuck you, Jimmy! You didn't tell me that was coming.
McNULTY: He'll bring him in.
RONNIE: He will if he can, that's not the point.
McNULTY: Well, what's the point?
RONNIE: The point is that Maury Levy is a past officer of the monumental bar association, and unless I want to spend my whole life as a fucking A.S.A.., I can't spend my afternoons pissing on people who matter.
McNULTY: Another career in the balance.
RONNIE: Fuck you.
McNULTY: No, fuck you. If only half you motherfuckers at the district attorney's office didn't want to be judges, didn't want to be partners in some downtown law firm, if half of you had the fucking balls to follow through, you know what would happen?
RONNIE: Oh.
McNULTY: A guy like that would be indicted, tried and convicted. And the rest of 'em would back up enough, so we could push a clean case or two through your courthouse. But no, everybody stays friends. Everybody gets paid. And everybody's got a fucking future.
RONNIE: You'll just use anyone, won't you?

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

He has a great hand gesture for "balls".

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

We have a couple of total dud volunteer attorneys at worker justice, inc. that the new director is going to fire and I'm totally recusing myself from the process so as not to piss off any local attorneys at about the time I need to find a job.

If law skoo wasn't so damn expensive, it would be easier to be cavalier about employment.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Nick's dilemma is sort of like mine at the moment... except the only way I could advance is for my current job to disappear (of which there is a distinct possibility within the next 2 years) and maybe then I'd get picked up by another group or department... or I would be unemployed.

More and more I'm thinking I need to go back to school.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

One of today's specials:
Savory Duck Sausage with Citrus Mustard, Tilsiter Cheese and Mandarin Oranges

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Also I will never get any more "real" (non inflation/cost-of-living based) raises due to Uni-wide pay staff pay grades.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

um. I might have to get that.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Everybody gets paid. And everybody's got a fucking future.

Yeah, that's a great speech.

Who else is watching/has watched The Wire? Nick? Sarah?

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

I can't exactly "advance" in my job, just hope for periodic raises based on seniority/performance. Still the same job though.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah I was kind of leaning towards that one too!

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

I've watched most of the first 2 seasons, Kenan.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

that's where we are, dan, almost at the end of season 2, they're just about to bust heads on nicky and ziggy and etc.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

I know Nick has because he helped convince me to watch it. Now I've got, what, 50 hours of Wire ahead of me?

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

We've watched all of The Wire that's out on DVD.

More and more I'm thinking I need to go back to school.

This is a perpetual crisis in my life. Me thinking that the only way I'm going to get anywhere is by going back to school, getting semi-excited about it, then actually looking at schools and realizing I don't know what the hell I want to study, especially given the time and cost commitment, then looking at admissions requirements and getting depressed and giving up on ever having a meaningful career. The main problem is that if I'm going to go back to school, I want it to be for something I'm really passionate about, but also I want it to be something practical that will help me get a good job, not something nebulous. And I don't know what that is.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

So I guess we've seen three seasons?

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

I actually spent a chunk of Monday afternoon looking at grad schools online and getting more and more depressed.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

I should have been an engineer.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

I would love to get some more technical training, take classes on programming languages, get real paid. It's expensive, though, and my company will send me through a small class now and again, but they ain't sending me through college.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Looks like season 4 is out on dvd too.

I would like to not go back to school again.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

If season 4 is out, then I know what I'm doing tonight.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Getting frustrated because all the copies are checked out already.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Programming for a living is sweet. Money is never really an issue and sooner or later you end up at some goofy startup with cocaine, air hockey tables, and ex-playmate secretaries. Alright!

― mattttt, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:16 (nineteen years ago)

This is a perpetual crisis in my life. Me thinking that the only way I'm going to get anywhere is by going back to school, getting semi-excited about it, then actually looking at schools and realizing I don't know what the hell I want to study, especially given the time and cost commitment, then looking at admissions requirements and getting depressed and giving up on ever having a meaningful career. The main problem is that if I'm going to go back to school, I want it to be for something I'm really passionate about, but also I want it to be something practical that will help me get a good job, not something nebulous. And I don't know what that is.

YES YES to all of this.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Mattttt OTM?

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

test sentence of the day:

JACKDAWS LOVE MY BIG SPHINX OF QUARTZ

Word.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Oh nevermind, it's not out, I was just fooled by netflix.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Money is never really an issue and sooner or later you end up at some goofy startup with cocaine, air hockey tables, and ex-playmate secretaries. Alright!

*cue arrested development-esque "i have made a huge mistake"*

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Not seeing season 4 even listed on Amazon. However, apparently [Removed Illegal Link] for her book club. Which is the book I'm reading right now. It's incredibly depressing and grim and gory (shocka, amirite?) and an odd choice for Oprah's crowd, I think.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

sooner or later you end up at some goofy startup with cocaine, air hockey tables, and ex-playmate secretaries. Alright!

Sounds like my prom night.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Housemate Antonia passed her boards yesterday and is now a certified masseuse. Funny that she started school after I moved in here, and I haven't lived here that long.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

Nick you called Northcoast I guess? Maybe cockbuster has them?

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

ARGH. Oprah chose "The Road" by Cormac McCarthy for her book club.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Wire season 4 isn' t out yet.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

John - Master's of Library Science
Nick - Law school
Dan - Grad school for history, working towards PhD.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Do you get the hook-up on massages?

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Law school? Why law school?

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I see. Why did they say they were all checked out then?

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

My mom once told me that I could have any job I wanted, except for lawyer or politician.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

I want a PhD. :(

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, that does seem like a very un-Oprah pick. I wonder if it signals the beginning of a McCarthy backlash?

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

*cue arrested development-esque "i have made a huge mistake"*

COME ON!
I've got The Wire season 4 in nerd format (divx), but you'll need to swing by danm's house to pwn them.

― mattttt, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

That was a joke - I was answering my rhetorical statement about what I was going to be doing tonight.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

I think Nick should teach.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

John, you really don't want a Ph.D. :(

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

Wow! One of the graduate programs I was looking at (here) is part of the university's history department!

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

I already think I don't particularly like McCarthy. I respect his writing ability but based on Blood Meridian and The Road I don't really want to read any more of his books ever again.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

I could see Nick & Sarah being fierce litigators.

I don't have the hookup for free massages anymore, now that she's done with classes. But Sarah and John both got ones from her last year.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to start signing all my e-mails and papers "Jordan C0h3n, BA"

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

but you'll need to swing by danm's house to pwn them.
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Our house, dude. [i]Ours.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

John, work toward your doctorate in something after you get your MLS and then be a specialized research librarian for a museum or NPR.

I dunno Nick. You just seem like you'd be good at the analysis/critical thinking stuff.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

The thing is, I am really bad at teaching people things.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

I was pretty surprised to discover that almost all of the playwrights I was friends with here in 2000 - the ones getting produced - are now teaching at NWestern, U of C, and Columbia. A bunch of them have MFAs, though.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

ARGH BBCODE RUINED MY INSIDE JOKE

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

I don't even have a BA. I am a high school graduate though!

― Jeff, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

OK I will go to law school.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Sarah - I keep picturing Nick as a law prof more than a litigator.

Oh! "Our house." Matt! Now I understand everything.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

I have two BAs. Does that mean I get to sign my name N1cholas Amm3rman, BA, BA, Black Sheep, Have You Any Wool?

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

I am insane.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

Law profs don't actually have to be good at teaching, I've discovered.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

i am julia, BS. i don't think i'd want to go any further though. maybe just some classes, eventually.

― JuliaA, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

I don't want to put our last names on the Internet, even googleproofed, but in sets of five they make pretty cool sounding law-firm names.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

I have enough credits that I probably could have weaseled another B.A. or B.S. out of my school if I hadn't absolutely hated it and everything associated with it by the time I finished up.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

I respect his writing ability but based on Blood Meridian and The Road I don't really want to read any more of his books ever again.

I thought the same thing, but then I read No Country For Old Men and really liked it. It's waaaay less dense than BM, and less unrelentingly dark than the Road.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

I remember back when I was going to double major in Economics. BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

Brocoli and cheese baked potato with no cheese, just brocoli: Sad thing or saddest thing ever?

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah, what's your major?

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

Broccoli is among the sadder vegetables.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

profs in general don't need to be good at teaching. this is common in the sciences, where some profs are mainly there for research.

i have probably talked about my genetics prof. he tried to describe mitosis with a kleenex as a demonstration tool, which makes no sense, whether or not you know anything about mitosis. i skipped all his lectures and studied the textbook instead, then got an A.

― JuliaA, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

i kind of wish i'd double majored.

― JuliaA, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

I was taunted by the french fries at lunch, I could not resist today. I had a fantastic (mushroom pecan) veggie burger though, probably the first time I've eaten one that had not been frozen at some point.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

I hate broccoli, but I ate my sandwich early on and got hungry again so thought a baked potato would be a nice thing to eat but then I got all verklempt by the potato varieties at the Great Steak and Potato Company and just blurted out that I wanted a broccoli and cheese potato but then remembered that I'm on WW and said, "But no cheese!" and then I got sad.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

John, you really don't want a Ph.D. :(

Why not? Notwithstanding the fact that I'll soon be the only one in my family without one, I think it'd be rad to teach.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

I like McCarthy a lot, but OPRAH'S BOOK CLUB that is too too funny. The women will come back and all look a little sweaty and green. "Oprah... what... IS... this?"

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, Nick, how do you have two BAs?

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

I like McCarthy a lot, but OPRAH'S BOOK CLUB that is too too funny. The women will come back and all look a little sweaty and green. "Oprah... what... IS... this?"

Probably no more so than when they read Faulkner.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

I double majored in Psych and Religion.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

Did Faulkner have babies on spits and shit?

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think that counts as two BAs, though! The BA is awarded upon completion of a certain number of credits, of which credits toward your major only count for a certain amount. I would think for two BAs you'd have to do your entire undergraduate career over again.

I majored in English and double-minored in sociology and philosophy.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

Admittedly, Blood Meridian would be worse.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

My last post = Chicago: Do you want tamales? Tamales? [Started by Jesse, last updated 13 seconds ago] 666 new answers

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

International Relations

Yum yum political theory

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

I think she just said that because she's hatin' life in academia land right now, and not because of any inherent quality in you. Similarly, I often knee-jerkily tell people never to go to law school (except Nick, just now) because I f'n hate law shcool right now.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

You could be right, but I'm going to keep telling people I have two BAs.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I figured as much. Grad school doesn't sound like much fun. :(

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I think ultimately I don't really want to go back to school, I just want a better career.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

And it makes people snap at you on the phone.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

I could really stand to go through the entire educational system again, and maybe learn something this time other than a long list of things that girls think are creepey.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah, I did not know that you majored in Internation Relations. So did Kr.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

I could really stand to go through the entire educational system again, and maybe learn something this time other than a long list of things that girls think are creepey.

Take it from me, you might want to avoid those programming classes.

― mattttt, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

maybe learn something this time other than a long list of things that girls think are creepey.

lolz

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

I remember at W&M having a talk with my graduation consultant about whether I wanted to double major in Econ & IR or get two separate BAs. I would not have had to take all my classes over again. In fact, I believe I would have been able to still graduate in less than 5 years total. I would just be taking more non-elective classes and a heavy credit load. I opted for the double major option. Then I opted to minor in Econ instead when I decided I couldn't take it any longer.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

In conclusion, it's possible Nick does have 2 BAs.

I just think Nick would enjoy teaching becuase he loves loves loves to read and learn and has an amazing memory.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry chi-folks, I had to leave for a meeting so I missed all the Kompakt talk earlier. All caught up on that now. Anyone that wanted to toss up a mix or whatever would be a friend of mine.

See, I've been really considering teaching architecture lately. I really like the academia side of it better than the practice, because honestly - unless you are lucky enough to work for a handful of firms, you're going to be limited in your research and theory exposure. Plus I've always liked the idea of teaching. Downside is that there aren't a ton of choices in the Chicago area to teach it full time. My fiancee and I have tossed out the idea of moving to Ann Arbor (where she is from) when we have school-aged kids, just because we feel they have a wonderful learning environment - but that's a looong way off.

It's mainly because there are certain aspects of my job right now that I've grown disillusioned with.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

I just think Nick would enjoy teaching becuase he loves loves loves to read and learn and has an amazing memory.

Too bad he hates people so much.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

Guys I am really bad at designing logos for things. It's a specialized skill that I simply do not possess. Don't tell anyone.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

https://www.ticketreturn.com/prod2/images/MontgomeryBiscuits.gif

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, not THAT bad

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

If by "bad" you mean "awesome".

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

ok, here's my current problem: it's a company that does both construction and interior design, so their logo has to somehow say, "Manly Yes, But I Like It Too!" I'm going with nice, safe blue. Apart from that I have no ideas.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

GUYS HE HAS A PAT OF BUTTER FOR A TONGUE

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

If by "bad" you mean "awesome".

ok now that i have figured out that it's a sports team, it's not half as bad. I thought they were trying to sell biscuits!

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

How about an elegantly decorated hard hat?

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

How about Delta Burke and Dixie Carter in white t-shirts and tool belts?

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

What else do you know about the company, Kenan? I mean, do they make a big deal about being environmentally conscious? modern? urban? commercial or residential?

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

Gay construction worker, can't miss.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

jenny can you see this from eeoc?

High-rise fire near Loop

By Jason Meisner
Tribune staff reporter
Published March 28, 2007, 1:12 PM CDT
Firefighters responded this afternoon to an extra-alarm blaze on the roof of a 45-story building in the West Loop in downtown Chicago.

The fire broke out shortly before noon in the Heller International Building, 500 W. Monroe St., just west of the Chicago River.

The blaze was confined to a maintenance or air-conditioning unit on top of the building, fire officials told CLTV. By 12:45 p.m., firefighters appeared to have the blaze under control.

No serious injuries had been reported.

"I looked to the right and saw all this black smoke billowing in front of Presidential Towers, which is about a block away," said Chris Comes, 36, who was in his condominium near the intersection of Adams and Desplaines Streets.

Comes, who works as a spokesman for AT&T, said authorities appeared to be using a park across from Old St. Patrick's Catholic Church at 700 W. Adams St. as a meeting area for workers who had left the Heller building. He said there appeared to be 300 to 400 people in the park, which is the nearest open space to the site of the fire.

Fire authorities said they did not order an evacuation of the building, but workers said an announcement made over an intercom advised them to leave, CLTV reported.

Witnesses who work in a building at 1 S. Wacker Dr. said thick black and gray smoke could be seen pouring from the top of the building on Monroe shortly after noon.

Traffic was blocked on several streets near the scene of the fire due to the emergency response. Adams and Monroe were blocked between Clinton and Canal Streets, CLTV reported.

CTA spokeswoman Ibis Antongiorgi said three bus routes were being rerouted around the fire scene. She said the No. 60/Blue Island, No. 124/Navy Pier and No. 157/Streeterville would be affected until firefighters clear the scene

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

I just think Nick would enjoy teaching becuase he loves loves loves to read and learn and has an amazing memory.

Basically I want a job where I can sit around reading all day and learning interesting factoids about lots of different things but not really have to specialize in any one subject. (PS I really don't have an amazing memory. I can remember trivia and little facts and song lyrics really well, but not much else.)

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I didn't remember that correctly.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Wah wah wah waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

28 years ago today = partial meltdown at three mile island
98 years ago today = nelson algren's birth.

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

modern? urban? commercial or residential?

yes, yes, and residential. They specialize in high-rise condos.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

I did this horribly tedious project for a coworker involving copying and pasting thousands upon thousands of emails one at a time from mls. It gave me headaches. It's by far the least favorite assignment I've had at this job. Anyway, she came back to me two other times with more offices to get email addies from for various cities. I thought perhaps we were almost done with that crap. But now I hear her talking in a meeting with two other coworkers about expanding that to a much, much larger list, all of which I'd be doing. So someone says, huh, that's a lot of work. And she's like, yeah, we'll just give her various deadlines.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

Want. To. Run. Away.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

I shall celebrate by continuing to read A Walk on the Wide Side.

Funny story. I was out to dinner with some friends of friends and the topic turned to books. I was speaking very highly of Algren and recommending his books to those at the table. This one girl kept insisting that I was thinking of Horation Alger and that I had his name wrong. She kept talking over me about how she was an English major and knew her authors, so I must be mistaken. Eventually I just gave up and let her think she was right.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

28 years ago today = partial meltdown at three mile island

I'll take the blame for that one. I was three days old.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

A Walk on the Wide Side

i liked it a lot, not as much as the man with the golden arm but it was still good. the ending felt a little rushed, almost tacked on.

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:52 (nineteen years ago)

This day in 1930: Constantinople and Angora changed their names to Istanbul and Ankara respectively.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

AWotWS is still on my list.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

60 years later, They Might Be Giants release "Flood".

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Basically I want a job where I can sit around reading all day and learning interesting factoids about lots of different things but not really have to specialize in any one subject. (PS I really don't have an amazing memory. I can remember trivia and little facts and song lyrics really well, but not much else.)

This editing-conference-call-transcripts works like this. One day I'm listening to three hours of talk about price-points for fancy jeans, next day it's about airplane parts.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah, I did not know that you majored in Internation Relations. So did Kr.

jaymc on Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:39 (1 hour ago)

So did I! International "Studies", actually. Did you have to focus on a portion of the world? Mine, not surprisingly I guess, was Latin America.We had symposiums where we talked about the whole world, but everyone had to specialize in a developing part of the world.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

World world world

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

Also I have seen all but two episodes of The Wire. I am waiting for some bozo to return disc 5 of season 3 to my local vid store. I never ever want that show to end.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

John - Master's of Library Science
Nick - Law school
Dan - Grad school for history, working towards PhD.

Jenny on Wednesday, 28 March 2007 17:20 (2 hours ago)

Do me! Do me!

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

I finally caved and put Season 1 on my Netflix queue. I'll have to have something to watch now that Rome is done and The Sopranos isn't long for this world.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse - MBA.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

Ha.

No.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

I see that earlier we were talking shit about broccoli. I have to offer my dissent to the prevailing opinion. It is not a sad vegetable for me. One pound of it can be a meal!

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

Yuck.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

I like broccoli. I need to come up with something to do with the broccoli that's in my crisper, though.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

Soggy, overcooked cafeteria type broccoli can go f itself.
Perfectly green, crisp broc is wonderful, especially on a simple bed of rice pilaf.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

I also love raw broc with dip at parties.

I didn't have to focus on one part of the world. Mostly, I took political science classes about the Cold War, think tanks, and international economics.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

Veggies I have eaten 1 lb of (at least!) in one sitting:

Broccoli
Cauliflower
Brussel sprouts
Asparagus (oh the subsequent fragrances)
Rutabaga

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:01 (nineteen years ago)

a POUND of broccoli = my eating mayonnaise in a snakepit

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

and your first three are all in the same family!

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

OHOHOH

add:

Cabbage!

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think I've ever eaten a pound of any vegetable besides potatoes. And they were probably fried or mashed cheesily.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

nothin like the cabbage farts, i tell ya

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

now i want corned beef and cabbage.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

Potatoes do not count.

I love gorging myself sick on veggies. I love veggies, and I love gluttony, and I can indulge both without calorie-guilt w/ green vaggies.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

One reason I'm looking forward to P1tchfork Fest? So they can stop recycling last year's pics for news items.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

I can indulge both without calorie-guilt w/ green vaggies.
Gross.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

You should do a Top Ten, jon.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

I like variety, so I can't imagine eating that much of just one veggie.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

haha

good name for a band: Black Sabbatical

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

I just noticed that Pitchfork has one of those Guest List interviews with Sam Prekop (of special interest to Jordan and Kenan).

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Preparations:

Cabbage with a dab of butter and a heavy dousing of cider vinegar, salt- a side of mashed potato is a bonus
Rutabaga -touch of butter, salt, pepper. Served with potato and cabbage = yummier.
Broc- lemon juice, dab of butter, salt
H

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

Last bit of 'Fork bashing from me for today, but they seemed a little harsh with their Fouta1ns of Wayn3 review today. I mean, Matt's part about them churning out mediocrity at this point is pretty dead-on, but mediocrity from FoW is still about a hundred times better than most other power-pop bands' mediocrity. He's also right about "Planet of Weed" sucking though.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a better herbivore than you, vegetarian!!

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

Hey I just got fucked by work. Anyone want a ticket to Explosions in the Sky tonight at the Metro? It's all-ages, doors are at 6 fucking 30. ILX's own dan m will be in attendance. You'd have to pick it up from my office though (1230 W Washington).

― mattttt, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

mediocrity from FoW is still about a hundred times better than most other power-pop bands' mediocrity

::leans back, pops some popcorn::

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:16 (nineteen years ago)

Did I ruffle some feathers? Let me add an exception to that rule, Sloan. Sloan > FoW.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

I actually have no opinion about this. The only FoW song I know is "Stacy's Mom," and while I like some Sloan songs (best is "Money City Maniacs"), I wouldn't necessarily call myself a power-pop fan (assuming Big Star and Cheap Trick are considered the consummate power-pop bands). I just thought Kevin might take issue with the statement, though.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

That Prekop thing was a nice read.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

He just seems like he would be a nice dude.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I should have added all sorts of disclaimers on my post, I'm really not a huge power-pop guy either. I've just always enjoyed FoW and Sloan. I suppose what I was saying about mediocrity was aimed at current power-poppers and not the classic stand-bys, fwiw. My favorite power-poppers ever are Exploding Hearts, Big Star, and Cars though.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse, Do I dare ask what you do with beets?

Does this recipe look crazy?

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

I liked this bit (from Prekop):

One show that I'm into, it's one of these morning news shows, but it's a local one on WGN. I don't know; there's something about it that I kind of like, maybe because it stands in contrast to all the other ones. It's really low-brow and dopily local, in a very Chicago way. Their accents are really accentuatedly Chicagoland-sounding. There's something I like about that show.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

I liked that part too and he really nailed my feelings on Du5ty Gr00ve.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

See, I only like pickled beets. They're too sweet otherwise. That recipe looks too sweet, what with the fennel, balsamic vinegar, and peas.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

I love power pop. I eat it up. I think the Cars win.

I was never that into FOW. For some reason, I felt like they were more like sellouts than alot of the other bands, less genuine somehow. And yet... And yet I have a soft spot in my heart for Blink 182.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe Jenny or Manda can give me some good beets suggestions, seeing as how I doubt I'll be pickling these beets tonight. In the past, I've roasted them and put them in salads, but I'm not in a salady mood.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

I have a very soft spot in my heart for Blink myself. Their greatest hits record is pretty much straight up awesomeness until the obligatory "new tracks" part at the end.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

Courtnye gave me her sewing machine. I pulled it out last night to get started learning to make my own hemp clothing, but dammit, the instructions are only in Spanish. It is hard to figure out, with so much specialized vocabulary.

What I have learned is that "bobina" = bobbin, and "eje" = spindle. It seems that there is a potential for bodily harm in operating the machine using Spanish instructions.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

What are you going to sew first?

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

I miss Weekend Records & Soap. I only got to go there a couple of times. It was a fun store.

― Jeff, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

Have you been to Permanent Rex? They have a kitten.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

"That Thing You Do" is Fountains of Wayne, isn't it?

Power-pop of the 21st century often seems manic depressive to me, trying so hard to be smiling and bright while lacking the natural rhythm of r&b.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

Huh. From IMDB:
Adam Schlesinger penned the title song in response to a contest being held by the studio. Their song won, thus it was used in the movie and ultimately launched their career of Fountains of Wayne, which Schlesinger played bass for.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

What are you going to sew first?

I'm going to attempt to hem some pants. And maybe take in some sleeves, though I am uncertain of the potential for good results.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting. He also wrote the songs in Music & Lyrics, apparently.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think of either the FFs or 'nasta as power pop in my manic-depressive way. I guess I'm talking about Brian Wilson-heads who are into precision and close harmonies and all of that while going for the catchy, or something like most of the Nu Pornographers that is so much about form and structure and aggressiveness, but lifeless too. Metric, on the other hand - that's structuralist power pop I love.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

"natural rhythm"

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:54 (nineteen years ago)

I think I agree, but I'm curious how Metric is different. For me, the female vocals and electronic touches are enough to make them stand out.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

I think you're right, John. If the N. Pornographers covered the Old World Underground songs, I don't think I'd like 'em as much. Or maybe there's just less of a camp factor.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

"Lifeless" is a good descriptor for some of the New Pornographers stuff I've heard, though. Which is why the Dan Bejar songs catch my ear so much more immediately -- whereas the rest of their material builds these careful pop structures, Bejar's songs (in the NPs and in Destroyer) brim and overflow over them.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

true, NP's bore me sometin' awful, but I love everyone in the band individually.

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

but mediocrity from FoW is still about a hundred times better than most other power-pop bands' mediocrity

you could well very be right but since i can't tell the difference between their best and their mediocrity i'll leave that to you. i can say that i'll take mediocre 20/20 or mediocre cheap trick or mediocre nick lowe or mediocre flamin groovies over the best of FoW.

fuck, i am going to be here until 7 p.m. tonight. my supervisor gave me a laundry list of things that needed to be done before she got back next week and I don't think she remembered that i'm out of the office from tonight until next wednesday. fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.

beer and pizza, STAT.

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

I'd forgotten that I saw them at the Hideout long long ago, with A. Bird opening up. Sounds like a stellar bill, but both were OK that night. The NPs did some soft-rock 70s cover for an encore at the end of the night that was really good - I'll remember what it was in a second...

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Ugh, that sucks Kevin. I know the feeling, I'm going on my third 55+ hour week in a row. And, in case you didn't see my postscript, I wasn't comparing FoW to those classicks you mentioned, just the more current strain of the stuff.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, Kevin. Way to go out with a bang.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

It was Randy VanWarmer's "(You Left Me) Just When I Needed You Most" - just Carl Newman and the drummer, and it was a fun end-of-the-night bar song.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/Vanwarmer.jpg

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

well, at least he had a nice voice

― kenan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

OK I hate Spr|nt a little less now. I went and told them my contract was up and bitched a little about how much their service sucks, and asked why I should stay with them. They promptly knocked $20/month off my bill and gave me a new phone. You win this round, you stupid hateful company.

Hot Doug's was grand, you guys. We should lunch again sometime. ChILX day of playing hooky from work, perhaps?

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

What did everyone get? You know what I want.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:32 (nineteen years ago)

I got the aforementioned duck as well as a plain Polish. The duck was so citric and acidic that it made me wince when I bit into it, but in a good way. And the Polish and the fries were perfect. 'shoe got alligator.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

Best of the first quarter 2007 mix is done and posted to the blog. Enjoy, I hope.

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:35 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, are you going to post the track list? I wanted to hear some of the stuff you cut (the Field, Maximo Park). :(

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

I was starvin' and hadn't eaten since yesterday afternoon, so I gluttoned out with the aforementioned duck sausage, a standard char-dog with everything, and CHEEZE FRIES.

And water, which we learned is v. important for a fully funtioning palate.

― dan m, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 22:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/Vanwarmer.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/jessicajphoto/iblog/B1406720197/C1091588582/E20060907130619/Media/Picture%201.png http://www.mutelibtech.com/schneidertm/images/zoomer.jpg

― jaymc, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

ok, i'm as done as i'm going to be. i'm taking off, going to jewel to buy a quart bag for my toiletries then home to pack. i'll see you next week chicago.

new york, i'll see you tomorrow.

― chicago kevin, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:27 (nineteen years ago)

Teenage Lust! Times New Viking Present The Paisley Reich
Grapefruit Marnie Stern In Advance of the Broken Arm
Gronlandic Edit Of Montreal Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer?
Choco Fight Deerhoof Friend Opportunity
A House Is Not A Home Field Music Tones Of Town
Spring and By Summer Fall Blonde Redhead 23
Mr. Decay Gui Boratto Chromophobia
emg el-p i'll sleep when you're dead
Black Bananas RTX Western Exterminator
Atlas Battles Mirrored
Shining Path Trans Am Sex Change
Emily Jean Stock Clap Your Hands Say Yeah! Some Loud Thunder
04 - Sycamore Bill Callahan Woke On A Whaleheart
Heatherwood Deerhunter Cryptograms
Conqueror Jesu Conqueror
Take Pills Panda Bear Person Pitch
Vesna Alex Delivery Star Destroyer

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:30 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha does that help? Just download it

― n/a, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

I am downloading it! Thx.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:33 (nineteen years ago)

Thx for the mix, looking forward to hearing some of those tracks that are new to me. Specifically the Blonde Redhead, Battles, and Gui Boratto.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 28 March 2007 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

I'm obsessed with that Trans Am song, BTW. It's one of their rock songs, which I don't usually like as much as their cheezy electronics, and I have a general distaste for instrumental rock in general, but that song kicks ass. I

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 00:07 (nineteen years ago)

I was obsessed by a Trans Am song once. Something off Surrender to the Night... Love Commander, maybe? Anyhoo... that mix looks good, Nick Nickerson. I'm finna download it right now.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 01:25 (nineteen years ago)

Confirmed: Love Commander.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 01:27 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, I worked out to Nick's mix tonight. I was seriously just thinking today "hey, I wish someone would send me the best track off each of these new records coming out." Anyway, my thoughts on some of it:

Battles - growing on me. I still think they're going to end up being overhyped though.
Marnie Stern - pretty much what I thought she'd sound like in my head. Not exactly my thing but pretty cool anyway.
El-P - also as expected, but it sounds like a good El-P record. He sounds great actually, a lot more on beat than I remember on Fantastic Damage
Blonde Redhead - I like how, I don't know, restrained this tune is, good shit.
Times New Viking - the woman singing reminds me of Sarah
Gui Boratto - is this Kockpackt? It's cool. Nick, I'm surprised you didn't have this coming out of or leading up to Battles.
Panda Bear - I don't know if I could take a whole record of this stuff but it's interesting, it's like Beach Boys in a cave?
Trans Am - yeah, this track kinda kicks ass. The riff seems very 90's metal (like Helmet maybe) but I like the droney build at the end. I bet I would like their cheesy electronics better.
Deerhunter - This kinda washed over me, all I remember are the lo-fi drums

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 01:37 (nineteen years ago)

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

8:45 pm, that is. And actually about 8:40 pm. That five minutes makes all the difference!!!

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 01:42 (nineteen years ago)

I would guess that it's fine. If it smells bad, don't eat it. If it smells ok, eat it. I rely on my nose a lot to tell me if food has gone bad. That may be stupid, but since I don't bring mayo on picnics I don't worry about it too much.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 02:04 (nineteen years ago)

I am supposed to be composing a quiz.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 02:05 (nineteen years ago)

I like the way you think, Amanda.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 02:11 (nineteen years ago)

Just tryin' to be practical.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 02:22 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't eat it because warm yogurt all alone is kind of gross, especially if it's the fruity kind.

Eluvium: good, loud
The Paper Chase: no melody, kind of annoying vocals, but good beats
Explosions in the Sky: sounded even more like their records than the other time I saw them, didn't play anything off the EP I like, but still very good

Still don't really like the Metro.

Downloading N|cKMiX now.

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 04:28 (nineteen years ago)

What's the name of that web-comic that features the Victorian era plates? I think it starts with a 'W', but all my Googling is coming up empty.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 29 March 2007 05:13 (nineteen years ago)

Food safety query: If I carried a container of yogurt around in my backpack today (from 7 am until... 8:45) without opening it or eating it, is it still okay to eat? What if I put it back in the fridge?

It's totally fine. I leave dairy out all night (milk, sour cream, yogurt, cheese (HA HA! warm cheese!!!)) and it's always been totally fine.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 05:18 (nineteen years ago)

Jon: Wondermark

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 05:31 (nineteen years ago)

WHY is it that EVERY time I cook it gets HUGE?

I tried Jenny's recipe for Zero Point Soup* and entirely filled my largest stock. It just kept growing!

This happened when I made a pot of spaghetti last week too. Granted, I wanted to make enough to freeze and eat later, but still, it wound up in the stock pot too!

*[quote="Zero Point Soup, by Jenny and Weight Watchers"]Heat some cooking spray in a soup pot.
Add diced onions,
celery,
and carrots,
garlic,
bell peppers if you want,
and some salt
dried oregano,
basil,
parsley,
thyme.
Sautee until onions are soft.

Add one can of undrained diced tomatoes.

Add some chicken broth. Bring to a boil.

Add shredded cabbage,
frozen green beans,
lima beans
and any other frozen vegetables you want to add.

Return to a boil and add any other non-aromatic fresh vegetables you want to add - zuchini,
squash,
spinach,
okra... Probably not okra, actually. Well, maybe. I don't know.

Add some tomato paste if you want it to be tomato-y-er or thicker.

Salt and pepper to taste.
[/quote]

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 05:32 (nineteen years ago)

GOD. DAMN. YOU. (FAKE). B. B. CODE.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 05:34 (nineteen years ago)

I took some liberties with the basic recipe, so mine might be 1-point, maybe. I added smoked pork neck (because they make everything better!) but only 1 piece, so it shouldn't have too much effect. I broiled the neck for a few minutes to get a little char.

Also, I ran short on chicken broth, so I added beef broth, which seemed to change the flavor subtly from Jenny's original, but only to make it a little beefier.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 05:41 (nineteen years ago)

Fiddleheads. In season AND the green of choice. (For those who like greens ).

― aimurchie, Thursday, 29 March 2007 05:46 (nineteen years ago)

Where would I find them? They have always sounded delicious to me.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 05:49 (nineteen years ago)

Eluvium played? I would have went just for that!

― Jeff, Thursday, 29 March 2007 11:07 (nineteen years ago)

Fiddleheads! I want to try them, too. I think I've seen them canned but I don't go for that. No. I. No can do.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 11:42 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks Dan (xpost for Wondermark).

Go halfway through that quarter 1 mix last night, really liking the Gui Boratto. Not so much feeling the Marnie Stern song though.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 29 March 2007 12:40 (nineteen years ago)

From the LCD Soundsystem guest list thing on Pfork today:

"But then, I also got this totally amazing dog, which is more of a personal thing. She's a french bulldog named Petunia. She's 15 pounds of snuggle, just made to be a companion. Some dogs have jobs. You know what I mean, they'll be like, "Well this dog's a fetching dog, and this dog likes to carry things." Well, this dog doesn't do fucking shit. It likes to sit down and be sitting on you. And the great thing about it is, when you walk the dog, it has the exact same temperature and weather sensitivity as a human. So, if it's cold and you're fucking bummed about it being cold outside, the dog is bummed, too. You open the door and you're like, "Man, this dog better piss and shit right now." And the dog is thinking the exact same thing. The dog is like, "I am gonna piss and shit so fast!" So the dog runs outside and does his business and then trucks to the door. And if it's hot out, the dog doesn't really want to go far. She's really made me super happy and helped me calm down, the little monkey."

I thought it was funny.

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

I swear this is not a loaded question:

Do any of you have any Playboys or Hustlers or other mainstream hetero porn magazines from, say, 2000 and on? You can email me if you want.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

That's the beauty of the mix cd, is that it's my personal choices for the best songs so far, but obviously no one else is going to like all the same stuff I do. So I am interested in hearing people's opinions about stuff.

I definitely understand how someone could not like the Marnie Stern stuff. It's really hard to listen to her whole album all at once but it's always fun for me when one of her songs pops up on random.

The Battles album isn't that hot overall but, man, "Atlas" is pretty kick-ass.

The last two Blonde Redhead albums (23 and Misery is a Butterfly) are both pretty "restrained." They changed a lot when they signed to 4AD.

Jordan calling the drums on the Deerhunter song "lo-fi" is funny because it highlights how my production ears are so different from everyone else's. That song sounds hi-fi to me.

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

I swear this is not a loaded question:

Do any of you have any Playboys or Hustlers or other mainstream hetero porn magazines from, say, 2000 and on? You can email me if you want.

Hahaha

Riiiight.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 13:26 (nineteen years ago)

And would you believe I don't want them for the pictures, but for the cartoons?

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

You're totally gonna jack off to them.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny -- no, but I do have a copy of "Let's Go Out Back And Shit On Linda."

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse, please. Let's have some semblance of decorum around here. The term is "beat off".

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

I prefer the more accurately descriptive "rub one off," personally.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

"Smash the stain"

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan calling the drums on the Deerhunter song "lo-fi" is funny because it highlights how my production ears are so different from everyone else's. That song sounds hi-fi to me.

It's partly the sound of the drums but partly the playing. I didn't want to use a term like "amateurish" because that sounds pejorative, and the playing totally sounds good in the song.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

"snap one off" is not very accurately descriptive

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

That thing about the LCD dog is great.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

It makes me want a Fr. Bulldog.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

small dog kills thread

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

9:30 in the morning kills thread

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

lemme get some more coffee, i'll get my groove back

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

I have a lot of work to do today, I'm just getting in my procrastination while I can. :(

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

I'm here.

OK, let's talk about this

me: did you watch lost?
i was going to go to courtney's and watch it, but abc was out
it was the only station not working!

Jen: guh!
yeah, i watched it.

me: isn't that fucked up that abc was the only dead station?

Disappointing. Courtney called Comcast but got stuck in an endless loop of "For English, press 1 (she did) To speak to a representative, press 0 (she did)....For English, press 1" ad infinitum. Or at least ad pissed-offeum.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

That is bizarro. I watched Lost but I don't think we're supposed to talk about it here.

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

What I did last night:
1. Finished reading The Road for ORCA THE KILLER WHALE'S BOOK KLUB
2. Started reading "The Fatal Shore," an awesome (so far) history of Australia's colonization
3. Ate potato tacos
4. Accidentally fell asleep while reading in bed
5. Woke up to watch Lost

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

It was a filler episode anyway, in my opinion.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

Ha. I finished the Wire season 1, then fell asleep reading World War Z and had dreams about being a drug cop, except with dolphins.

It's kind of funny that in the Wire, the only thing people in the projects listen to is Blackstar.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, tell me more about numbers 2 and 3 on that list.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

Guess what. It turns out I don't like papaya. It's too bad I bought a carton of it at Whole Foods! I tried chopping a bit of it into tiny cubes and putting lime juice and honey on it and mixing it with blackberries for part of my lunch today, so hopefully it's bareable.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh ooh. Number 3 is a good one.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

We watched more Wire, too. And maybe even more tonight, though we may have to pause for 30 to watch Andy Richter. That show killed me last week.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah, tell me more about number 3 on Nick's list.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

GIVE ME YOUR PAPAYA. I will pay you. Actually, I don't think I want a whole carton.....

Also, you're insane.

Or the papaya was bad/underripe.

Or it wasn't papaya at all.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

I would eat all this papayas.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

It was really a case of turnips, and that's why it was on sale at Whole Foods.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, it's basically potatos, carrots, zucchini and/or squash, onions and garlic, all cooked up with chili powder, served in tortillas with shredded cheese. It's a standby recipe at Casa del Ammerman soy Johnson.

[Removed Illegal Link]

And here's the link in case Amazon comes up as an illegal link again: http://www.amazon.com/Fatal-Shore-Robert-Hughes/dp/0099448548/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-0033394-1277436?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1175179551&sr=8-1.

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha, I KNEW that would happen.

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

I want Nick's mix off the blog site but I don't know how to get to it. :(

― Laurel, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

I had a can of Trader Joe's chili last night and it was pretty good, for a superfast meal. The ton of extra cumin & hot sauce helped.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

http://chilxorz.blogspot.com/

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

You don't know how to get to the blog, or you don't know how to download the mix from Sendspace?

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

Oh there's corn in the potato tacos too. Basically you preboil the potatos and carrots until they soften while you sautee the onions, garlic, zucchini, and corn, then you mix them together in the sautee pan, season with chili powder, and serve them up in the tortillas. Pretty basic.

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

My Gmail status says "blood-shod," a quote from the Wilfred Owen poem, but it feels like the truth. I'm going to have to buy some real shoes. Fuck Payless.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

It's not even soreness like from tight or new shoes. The skin on my soles feels RAW. And I have huge calluses on my big toes. How can a shoe be so completely bad?

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

nick, that sounds awesome. I mean, both the recipe and the mix.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

my gmail status says "The progress of my life is measured out in shirts." Which is a Brian Eno line.

Now you know.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

The Fatal Shore is great
World War Z is pretty great from what I have read (only borrowed a friend's copy for a couple of hours)

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

Puts me in mind of TS Elliot: I have measured my life with coffee spoons.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

I'm surprised I don't like papaya myself. Maybe it just needs to grow on me. But also, I was worried it might be turning sour and that's why I don't like it but I don't even know since I don't know what it's supposed to taste like. I did know I like dried, candied papaya.

You put shredded cheese and salsa on those veggie tacos too, if you know what's good for ya.

My gmail message is an obvious Modern English quote.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

This work day is going veeeerrrrryyyyy slloloooowwwwlllyyyy.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

GUESS WHAT MY LAST FINAL EXAM EVER IS ON MAY 10.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

World War Z is pretty cool so far, although I feel like at this point in my reading cycle I should've picked something a bit more literary.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

I have a flickr pic (someone else's) of some peachy dahlias on my desktop which makes me yearn for a little vase of flowers up in here. Maybe I'll treat myself to some next paycheck. Or maybe I should buy a potted orchid... but it would probably die at my desk and I'd cry.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

Yay, Jenny! That's pretty near Nick's bday. We should have a huge party where you can let it all hang out and scream SPRRRRRIINNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGG BRRRRRRRREEEEAAAAAKKKKK!

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

no shit guys i smell barbecue!

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

the first time i met jeff and jenny was at a cookout on n&s's back porch, iirc.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:13 (nineteen years ago)

It's twue.

Oh there's going to be a party, don't you worry.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think the first time I met J&J was at a FF show (probably like our second or third show ever) at the Mutiny.

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

Also twue.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Oh yeah! I know it's true.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Girl, you know it's true G-g-g-girl.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

World War Z is pretty cool so far, although I feel like at this point in my reading cycle I should've picked something a bit more literary.

Haha yeah, it is pretty out there.

Jeff: plz to reccomend Eluvium album(s), preferably noisy loopy ones.

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

The first time I met J&J was at a Green Mill show a few years ago.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

The first time I met Jesse he leaned down and accidentally jammed the handle of a ladle in his eye and lost a contact and I had to pretend to be concerned instead of ROFFLMAYODINGDONGing about it.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember the first time I met jaymc. :( But n&s I met the California Club.

The first time I met Jesse he was naked with a flower pot on his head.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

I was working as a waitress in a cocktail bar.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

That much is true.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember the first time I met jaymc.

I'm pretty sure we met at the Hopleaf and then took a walk and drank some more at Leadway.

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

hey nick, what's the proper running order of this mix? There's no playlist file in the folder.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

Well shit. I figured it would open up in the right order. The proper order is upthread somewhere, though it's a pain to read.

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, it arranges according to songtitle, and those are all over the place. Sometimes I copy to a new folder and rename each file to reflect it's proper number.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Guess what?

I'M MAKIN' BACON!

Actually, I'm wrapping dates in bacon! Some for baking today, some for freezing for later. And while I'm at it, I'm frying up some strips to re-heat later. HOUSE SMELLS AWESOME.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, your mix is missing:

Gronlandic Edit Of Montreal Hissing Fauna, Are You The Destroyer?
04 - Sycamore Bill Callahan Woke On A Whaleheart

Not to be picky, yo, just thought you should know. :)

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

Let's say, hypothetically, that your key was not starting your car because the ignition was messed up and bent your key so then it didn't fit in the right way... And let's say, hypothetically, that also happened to your spare key when you tried it and then both keys were bent and you needed to move the car. Would you:
a) call a locksmith?
b) call a mechanic? If so, would they probably have to tow it somewhere?
c) call your car insurance which you only pay for minimal liability on?
d) something else?

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

e) post a cry for help on this thread?

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

that's quite the specific hypothetical

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

(Nick has the car in Evanston)

This happened to me once when I was about to go home from the grocery store and Nick had to take a taxi out to use his key. But seeing as how this happened this time to two keys in a row, I kind of doubt mine would save the day.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

And say this friend were pregnant... j/k

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Eluvium:

Talk Amongst Trees is awesome, probably my favorite. Lambent Material is great too. I love the new on (Copia), but it can get too soundtracky at times. It would make the perfect soundtrack to the next David Gordon Green film.

― Jeff, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I assumed the mix had track numbers in iTunes, I guess I listened to it in a completely random (or alphabetical) order. I still thought it flowed pretty well!

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh, bent key sounds like a PITA... it's not a stick, is it? You could pop-start in that case (if you could get the ignition to turn to "on").

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know, Sarah! Maybe you could call a locksmith and ask them if there's anything they could do.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

What is a PITA? It's not stick.

Nick was eventually able to move the car, but he'll have to move it again at 1 and then again - obviously - to go home. He said the steering wheel kept locking up so it might be related to that, since it won't let you start the car when the wheel is locked up.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Pain
In
The
Ass

:)

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

It doesn't have anything to do with the key. It's something to do with the ignition. My guess is that it's actually the steering wheel lock that is messed up. I think the steering wheel keeps locking up, making the ignition impossible to turn. Eventually I got the key to turn by sitting there jiggling the wheel for a long time, but then after I turned the engine off again the problem immediately recurred.

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

Pain In The Ass

It doesn't have anything to do with the key. It's something to do with the ignition.

― Eazy, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

So baby gimme dat "Toot toot"
And lemme gi' ya that "Beep beep"

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

Further jiggling is doing nothing? I'd recommend further jiggling of the wheel, followed by cursing and punching. Then maybe a tow. It doesn't sound like a locksmith's job.

If you can get it started, get thee to a mechanic.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I don't think a locksmith is the answer. My financial issues are compounding the stress of this situation further.

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

Stick with cursing then.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

So, it starts okay if the wheels don't lock? Can you park it with the wheels straight (so they don't, or shouldn't, lock) and then start it normally?

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

My plan:

1. Leave work early today and hopefully get the car started.
2. Take it home and leave the engine running while unloading the band equipment that is still in our trunk.
3. Take the car to the mechanic behind our house.
4. Plan on working from home tomorrow.

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

I have been parking with the wheels straight - I don't know why the steering wheel keeps locking up. That's why I suspect that the locking mechanism is what's messed up.

― n/a, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Jessa tells me she met a cop last night, and my immediate reaction is to groan. But then she goes on to explain how sharp the guy is, and how he's also a writer in addition to a uniformed beat cop, and then she sends me a couple of his paragraphs:

The dead seek the lowest places in Chicago: We find them in basements,
laundry rooms, on floors next to couches, sticking out of two parked
cars or shrubs next to the sidewalk. It is more than gravity that
pulls them down, for in every dead body there is something more
willfully downward: the lowest possible place, the head sunken into
the chest and turned toward the floor.

No matter the cause, an accident, a murder, or, as we cite on the
Hospitalization Case Report: natural causes, all bodies express this
downwardness when we remove them from this cavern they have created
merely by their presence, by their being.

Wow.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

HUH!

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 16:59 (nineteen years ago)

That depresses me.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

But it's good writing!

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

I'm trying to make sure that I don't just think that because he's a cop. But no, that's a good couple of paragrahps. It could be a prose poem.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, is it a prose poem?

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:04 (nineteen years ago)

It is good writing. I agree with that much.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:06 (nineteen years ago)

Beginning of an article he wrote for... I wanna say Virginia Quarterly Review?

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

I really like it as a PP.

PD PP.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, you need to remix the ignition.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Eventually I got the key to turn by sitting there jiggling the wheel for a long time

My car does this too, it sometimes requires vigorous jiggling.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

as do i.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

Just another sense that Kenan's like a faulty toilet.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

test

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

hmm, I couldn't post on ILM just now

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

oh btw: It is VQR, and [Removed Illegal Link].

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

fuck yoouuuuuuu

http://www.vqronline.org/articles/2005/summer/preib-wagon/

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

sorry for the cut and paste necessity.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck, I downloaded that Jay Dee tribute thing that was on ILM yesterday, put it on my iPod, and deleted the files on my computer. Only it somehow didn't make it to my iPod and now I have to try and red-dl it.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

That's really not such a big deal.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

There are no good movies out now.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Man... that article.

Man.

I'm a little shaken, truth be told.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'm excited about seeing the new spiderman in May.

Children of Men was good. Is it still in theaters? Blood Diamond was good and is still playing some places.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, yeah. Host is great. Go see that.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:56 (nineteen years ago)

I heard a new Tori Amos song on the radio song this morning. Even after the DJ said it was Tori Amos, I wasn't sure it actually was. It had sort of a honky-tonk blues feel. Then she hiccuped at the end of the word "away," as in "wash it away-hee, boy," and I was like, "oh yeah, that's Tori." Then came a part where she shouted "I'm an M-I-L-F, an M-I-L-F, an M-I-L-F."

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

here's a reader blurb about the cop:

http://www.chicagoreader.com/pdf/051209/051209_business.pdf

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, I'm not reading it then, Kenan. I don't feel a need to be shaken. I prefer to be gently stirred.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

I just got Children of Men on dvd the other day.

Blood Diamond looked bad to me but I could be convinced. I guess Will Ferrell on ice comes out tomorrow, but I'm looking at possible d8 movies tonight.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

No, I mean, it's wonderful. It's not the ookiness of dead bodies that gets to me at all; I was still eating a sandwhich through that part. It's the descriptions of weight and failure. It's just a fantastic essay.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 17:59 (nineteen years ago)

I was meh on The Host, but it sounds like something Jordan might like. (I think I was too caught up in the lack of realism or plausibility, which I know is a silly thing to say about a movie that features a toxic people-devouring monster, but I think I prefer when movies show what might actually happen in response to a fantastical scenario, like in 28 Days Later or Children of Men. The slapstick elements, and the way that Gang-Du was treated by the authorities, struck an off note for me.)

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:02 (nineteen years ago)

when movies show what might actually happen in response to a fantastical scenario

I am also a fan of this, unless the movie is really, really funny.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Shaun of the Dead was awesome because it showed how people would really react, but it emphasized the quotidian aspects of this, which is what made it funny. It was like the Seinfeld of zombie movies.

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that cop essay is really good.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:11 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to bookmark it since I can't take any shaking these days. I started reading The Year of Magical Thinking by Joan Didion and now I'm broken.

http://www.amazon.com/Year-Magical-Thinking-Joan-Didion/dp/140004314X just in case.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, jesse, the essay might make you cry. Warning.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

In case you didn't know about this book, it's non-fiction first-person (not really a memoir or autobiography). Didion's daughter is in the hospital in a coma for a long time. Then her husband has a heart attack and dies at the dinner table while talking about his single malt scotch. Her daughter wakes up. Shortly thereafter, her daughter dies.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

OMG SPOILERS

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

It's all on the jacket.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

Hmmmm... That is not up my alley. My alley has lots of pretty little wildflowers, a nice breeze, and no garbage outside of the cans.

I just got that dreaded continued email project. 579 emails. Let the count down begin.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

Didion excerpt in NYT magazine:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/25/magazine/25didion.html?ex=1285300800&en=3931b917e3aca64b&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

The magical thinking comes in when she thinks things like "Since it's 3 hours earlier in LA, I wonder if he's dead there too," with no sense of it being illogical. Or thinking that she has to have an autopsy to see if the cause of death was something minor enough that it could be fixed.

It gave me bad dreams.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

finalcountdown.jpg

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

You have to copy/paste 579 emails into one text file??

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

I was thinking "my alley has a lot of dead hookers" and I guess that's kind of true, considering that my pre-occupations lie in the areas of sex, death, and profane sorts of things.

What's in YOUR alley?

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

Her daughter had a cool name-- Quintana Roo Dunne (her husband's last name). Note-neither Didion nore Dunne were Mexican.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

I should have a kid and name him Huitzilopochtli.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

I asked for the collected works of Joan Didion (now in an omnibus edition) for Christmas but didn't receive it. I've read a couple of Didion pieces here and there that I thought were just okay, but I figured if I had the collected works then I could find stuff that I liked. She seems like the kind of writer I would like -- first-person musings on cultural phenomena.

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to name my kid Vamsikrishna.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:38 (nineteen years ago)

Dan, no. I run a search in mls for a particular company. Then I click on it. Then I click on each realtor's individual profile, highlite, cut & paste their email address into a spreadsheet, along with the company's address & name. Repeat ad nauseum. I spoke too soon earlier. She just added 117 more names.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

God help me if I ever have children, but if I do and I have my way I am planning on naming them something common but unpronouncably Finnish, like Yrjana or Taavetti (George, David).

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

I think I'd be cool in this alley:

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/fluxion23/berlin_monument.jpg

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

It seems like there must be a better way. I don't know, can you dump the whole thing into excel, then sort or do a search for the e-mail addresses (maybe on "@")? Can someone write a macro for Sarah?

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

Batman is in my alley.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

DAMN! If I were better with Firefox I'd attempt some sort of Greasemonkey script or something, but... wow. Just poking around that MLS site gives me the Fear.

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

I've got the rage against the machine.

My ipod was to be delivered today. I called this morning and the representative said that is was to on a truck for today's delivery.
I checked on Fed-Ex's site and it says, "Exception-Incorrect Address." When I call, the representative says that they attempted delivery, but needed a suite number, which the restaurant does not have. It is C____ 35, the address is 35 W. W_____. Period. If the driver had gone near the entrance he or she would have seen the fucking restaurant.

Then the rep. tells me, "Well, to be honest, if it had come today it would have been one day early, so you'll be getting it right on time." Unless of course the driver tomorrow thinks that it needs a suite number again!

http://www.uky.edu/Projects/Chemcomics/assets/images/argh.GIF

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

How the hell does Yrjana = George??

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse, I told you it would come on Friday.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Fuck you. Go work at Fed-Ex.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

My friend Jeff works at Fed Ex.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:03 (nineteen years ago)

I complained up a storm, and they are trying to contact the driver. But after the rep. told me this, she added, "But he doesn't have to deliver it today--drivers are not under obligation to re-attempt delivery for Ground packages."

Then I blacked out. Actually, I told her that it was clear that the driver did not attempt this delivery at all--since if this was his regular route, he would have known better, and if he was a fill-in, he just saw the address and made an assumption--and that I expected it today.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

I have 396 left.
I just discovered that a couple of these offices were repeats from previous lists, which is slightly good news, meaning there might be some I can copy & paste in the future, but mostly bad because it makes me cringe to think I've potentially done 100s of these names twice in the past.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

LESSON LEARNED

Oh, and Kenan, your alley makes me claustrophobic.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny and I used to work with a couple of African-American girls at the restaurant in NC who used the term "black out" to mean getting in people's faces with loud, aggressive, persistent ethnic talk as a means of getting things done. As in, "That woman thinks she can move tables around as she pleases--Guuuurrrrll, hang on, I'm gonna black out on her white ass!"

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, Jesse, you should def. bring that one back. It'll catch on FAST.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

When I said it upthread, I meant it as in, "What the CSR said made me so angry and exasperated that I lost consciousness."

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe I should have said, next thing I remember the cat's intenstines were hagning from the ceiling fan.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Names related to George

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

Why is Pepe a nickname for Jose? I can sort of see Memo for Guillermo and even Chuy for Jesus, but where does Pepe come from?

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

I learned a new word in class today: hypes. Apparently, everyone knows that this means "people who are on drugs" or "stumbling, idiotic, desperate druggies." As in, "My neighborhood has a lot of hypes." We were still talking about neighborhoods. I felt sorta dumb for not knowing that.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

Jose = Joseph... maybe that's the source?

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

hmmm...i doubt it. something tells me that a spanish language nickname has nothing to do with the silent p in an english spelling of the word.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

Giuseppe, then.

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

that makes more sense!

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

Does that come from hypodermic needles?

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

That's what I asked -- about the hypodermic needles. They said they thought it came from "hyper" because crack fiends are always desperate and spazzed out.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, tell me -- did anyone know that? ALL of my students knew what hypes are.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

news to me

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't know that.

If I see another Renata, I might scream.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'm down to 198 though.

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/Feb_06/198_cover02_final.jpg

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

The one girl who mentioned hypes like everyone was supposed to know what they are lives on Pulaski between Grand and Division. What's that neighborhood called?

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

"SHITVILLE"

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to talk to you after class.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know.
I do know that when I buy my own place, I'm taking my business to "R3AL ESTATE 4 U."

― KitCat, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

I've never been out there, Amanda, but that's just west of Humbold Park, iirc, and Gang Central not very long ago.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, "not very long ago" = right now, I guess. She's a really nice girl and it makes me sad that she and her 6 year old kid have to live there.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

That's not Austin, is it?

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, I think so. I mean, according to the map I was just looking at, which just has colored blocks and no streets.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

I've never heard "hypes" before.

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

It wasn't something that only the young people knew, either. The 40 year old lady who works at the hospital knew, the 30 year olds knew, the 19 year olds knew, everyone knew that word but me.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hypes

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

hmmm... I've never heard "hypes" either, and the Urban Dictionary people are hostile to Amanda's class's definition. Maybe it's more a Chicago saying?

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:52 (nineteen years ago)

Hype in da mix 2 up, 2 down

when u are doin a good job in mixing drum and bass songs

lol

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe? All the people in my class were born and raised in Chicago, at least for most of their lives. That would make sense.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Honestly, I like being reminded that I don't know shit about shit. It's a good reality check.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

That's why I keep coming back to this thread. :)

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

I had never heard of hypes either. But I think that nickalicious over on the LOST thread may be one.

TONIGHT!!!! Hooray, I am so hype for this ep. I have a 40 of Colt 45 in the fridge at home set aside for Lando-toasting purposes. Also I miss Shannon (Boone not so much)(of anyone besides Libby I think her character had the least explored potential) and am really looking forward to seeing her again.

― Jesse, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, Billy Dee is on Lost now?

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

He had a small cameo as himself in yesterday's ep, in a flashback.

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Sweet. I was secretly hoping that he's the 12th cylon on BSG.

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

hey i have a song ID question

there's this song i keep hearing on the radio and i can't explain what it sounds like except by telling you these facts:
1) i usually hear it on WGCI or another hiphop/r/b station
2) it sounds kinda '80s, like Rockwell or DeBarge or something
3) there is a man who says, "last night i couldn't even get an answer"
4) there is a woman who sings about how she's "so alone" and wants the dude to call her and dial up her number

what is this song.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

Diddy ft. Keyshia Cole, "Last Night"

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

ask jaymc

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Thank you. That song is on ALL THE TIME.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, you know, I don't even know if I've heard it! I just googled the lyric.

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

For real? My GOD it is on ALLLLL THE TIME. The first time I heard it I rather liked it. Now I wish it would go away a little bit. That song he did with Xtina was the same way.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

And again, I didn't know it was him for a long time and I liked the female singer's part better and whaddaya know. It's El Did.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

You at least reminded me to send in a couple of singles review-blurbs I'd scrawled in my notebook this morning.

― jaymc, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

I'm glad to be good for something.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

So sick of driving today. My day so far:

6:40-7:35: Drive from Chicago to D33rfield
7:35-9:15: Work
9:15-10:00: Drive from D33rfield to K3nosha for a punchlist walkthrough
10:00-12:15: punchlist
12:15-1:00: Drive from K3nosha back to D33rfield
1:00-2:15: Work, learn client's check for a submittal didn't show up, frantic phonecalls to get another check issued
2:15-3:00: Drive from D33rfield to K3nosha to pick up new check
3:05-3:50: Drive back to D33rfield
4:00-????: Actually do today's work.

The suck.

How is Chicago today?

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

K-Town in the hizzy!

― Jordan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

I am also new to the term happy slapping.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

Now that one I've heard.

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I'm just not down with the whole kicking-somebody's-ass scene.

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

Are kids these days getting stupider? Or would kids twenty years ago have been dumb enough to show off their videotaped crimes to the world if they'd had the chance? Just seems like hardly a week goes by without hearing another story of some kid who gotten into trouble (be it legally or parentally) for posting a video of themselves doing stupid shit online.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

Well, I totally am.

― dan m, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

Jon, what is a punchlist? And do you post videos of it on You Tube?

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:38 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's just a to-do list, amirite?

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

Punch

1. Red Fruit Juice
2. Strawberry-Kiwi
3. Melon
4. Orange
5. Grape

...

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:41 (nineteen years ago)

That's more exciting. A punchlist occurs when a new building (or mrenovation) is almost complete. The owner and architect walk the building and list anything that needs finishing or repairing before the contractor leaves the site and the building is turned over to the owner.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:42 (nineteen years ago)

And then the owner punches the architect.

― Jenny, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

that often happens, but in the earlier stages

― kenan, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

Exactly.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 29 March 2007 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

fiddlehead ferns? they're good. i had to take a picture of my dinner because i was kind of amazed at my roommate's girlfriend's awesome chef skillz.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/j_bdules/DSCN0774.jpg

my classy 70's corelle ware really adds to the overall beauty of the presentation.

i am off to embrace unconsciousness.

― JuliaA, Friday, 30 March 2007 03:54 (nineteen years ago)

in case you're wondering: that's two different kinds of beets in acorn squash sauce with fiddlehead ferns and baked goat cheese and shittake mushrooms and couscous and asparagus.

i ate something out of a box for lunch. this was an improvement. holy shit.

― JuliaA, Friday, 30 March 2007 03:58 (nineteen years ago)

Veronica cooks amazing things. And speaking from experience, it not only looks good, it tastes fantastic.

No wonder Laura makes so much noise. Veronica knows hot to EAT.

:)

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 04:09 (nineteen years ago)

and it's an old beef, but i'll go ahead and bring it up right before bed in a cowardly way, but srsly, have you ever seen rachael ray make anything remotely like that?

Fuck that whore. That's right, whore. Sold herself to a food channel before she learned how to cook.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 04:12 (nineteen years ago)

"But Kenan, you can't even make her easy bacon hamburger helper quick family treats!"

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

Update: No iPod until Monday. I'm at a loss as to a recourse or compensation for this bullshit. The representative says that I may not contact the shipping terminal myself (as UPS normally would allow), but that she could send them a message to "suggest delivery for tomorrow."

The shipping was free, so it's not like I can even get a refund here. What would you do? Wait until Monday and keep your mouth shut? Take it to the very top?

Is there something I can jiggle to make this work out?

― Jesse, Friday, 30 March 2007 04:25 (nineteen years ago)

if shipping is free, that sounds like a license to tell you to stfu. Which they are.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 04:27 (nineteen years ago)

OMG, that food picture.

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 04:33 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, I could get lesbians to sleep with me if I could cook like that.

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 04:35 (nineteen years ago)

jordan -- that's not even the best presentation I've seen recently.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 04:38 (nineteen years ago)

Like i said, girl is good.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 04:39 (nineteen years ago)

That looks amazing.

Car crisis ended up not being as bad as it could have been. Apparently our old key was just really worn down and all of our copies were made from that worn-out key, so we ended up having to pay $40 to have Toyota make us a brand new key, versus paying $200-$300 to have a mechanic replace the ignition core. Although for some reason the new key doesn't open the driver's side door, so now I'm carrying around the old key to open the door and the new key to start the car.

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

Huh. So it almost was a locksmith's job, but not quite. I'm glad they were honest and made you aware that you could get out so cheaply as opposed to just going for replacing the ignition!

― Jesse, Friday, 30 March 2007 12:52 (nineteen years ago)

So I watched The Descent last night, what a great horror movie. I think that's the first time a horror movie actually frightened me since, I don't know, the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre when I was ten.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

This is the replacement ignition, hot and fresh out the kitchen...

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

[Removed Illegal Link]!

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

Hot Doug's got the first foi gras fine: http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_048084200.html

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know if I would call The Descent "great," but it was genuinely scary.

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:36 (nineteen years ago)

Be sure to watch the video because Hot Doug is pretty adorable.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Julia, When is your roommate's gf going to have us all over for a dinner party? Hmmm? :-D That looks SO good.

Also, for all of you not keeping a close watch on wedding trends, FIDDLEHEADS are being used in contemporary floral arrangements these days. They look kind of spider-like to me though.

Also, I knew what a punchlist is because I'm in the industry and used to work for a Realtor. It seems like it was always easier with old buildings as opposed to new construction because you would find things in the walk through and then negotiate having the seller fix them, whereas in this job the punchlist items seem to NEVER END.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I guess the whole thing might not have been "great" (some of the acting was a little iffy), but the way they managed to get across the paranoia and claustrophobia was pretty impressive. There were some really intense moments though.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

I thouroughly enjoyed it myself.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

You're talking about the Hot Doug video, right?

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:50 (nineteen years ago)

Why have I never been to Hot Doug's?

HD looks like Patrick (guy a couple of you might remember I went on a couple of dates with).

― Jesse, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

There was a guy named Doug ordering when we were at Hot Doug's Wednesday, which led to a brief run of "Doug?" "Doug!" "Doug" "Douuuug!" between him and Hot Doug.

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

Both. Doug seems like a real riot.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

They don't have veggie dogs do they? Not that they would appeal to me anyway... I do like veggie corn dogs. Do they have those? It looks like a fun place to just go hang out. Do they have good french fries?

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

How do you react when you meet someone with your own name? I'm usually surprised at how unexceptional it is. I mean if my name were Huitzilopoztli, I might get excited. But it's just another name to me.

― Jesse, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:57 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah, they have veggie dogs, corn dogs, and really good fries!

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

Are the fries still fried in duck fat? That may influence your fry decision, Sarah.

― Jeff, Friday, 30 March 2007 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

I am not 100% sure, but the duck fat fries are only on the weekends and I'm guessing you can probably still get the regular kind then, too.

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:00 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, only on weekends.

― Jeff, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, duck fat fries only on weekends.

http://www.hotdougs.com/

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

I liked the Descent a lot. It skeered me and I'm just glad that Sarah was there for me to cling on to while we watched it.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

As I've said before, there appears to be only one other person with my full name, and he was a big high school/college wrestler. I would like to email him someday. My last name is fairly uncommon, though there are a few of us in most major U.S. cities.

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

I just looked at their page. They have both kinds of fries.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:05 (nineteen years ago)

Does Swank Frank have veggie corn dogs or just veggie dogs? I want to get a veggie dog there before they close.

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, there are two. There is also a guy who used to be in marching band. I'll find them.

see? top two middle

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Based on their menu, I'd guess they don't have veggie corndogs, just veggie dogs. I want to go there to check it out for the pure Chicagoness of it all, but I could only go on a weekend, and I usually want brunch on weekends. WHAT A CATASTROPHE!

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

I think those might be the same person, since they are both from U of Wisc. websites.

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

I worked with two brothers with your last name during college.

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

They look totally different from each other though!

I hardly have any reaction to meeting other Sarahs any more. Usually the other Sarah is the one who laughs and says, oh, it will be easy to remember your name then!

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

And then I roll my eyes and mumble SO naive...

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

I have been throwing back the Emergen-C lately like mad, and I can't say why. It doesn't make me feel any different than chugging a glass of water would. And as my coworker astutely points out, synthetic vitamins just make expensive urine. Ha! I love that. "Expensive urine."

Fuck this, I'm getting on the nabisco train and getting a Red Bull. I need some more bull semen in me! SPARRRRRTAAAAAAAAA!

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, did you drink Tang growing up? I drink a fair amount of Emergen-C and I think it's because it reminds me of Tang. Tang for adults.

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

Also, do you like gladiator movies?

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

Have you ever seen a grown man naked?

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sort of scared of this Monday's 3-tracking. There's been a whole flurry of CTA folks flyering, saying "Avoid delays! Get your info here!" And a lot of people are looking at buses. I may fix my bike and take the 147, which doubtless will be overcrowded. No matter what I do, I'm sure I will be heading out the door 30 minutes earlier than before, and I don't wanna.

― Jesse, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, I got coffee instead. One can of sugar-free Red Bull at the cafe upstairs: $2.74. I'm sorry, I don't feel like being raped this morning. At least kiss me first.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse: there's no way to avoid delays, I'm thinking. But I'm with you. I'm going to fix my bike and at least get a little cardio on the way to work.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

My bikes not even broken, I just need to stop off somewhere and get a new tube. Whoop!

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to need a second round of coffee today. Well, not NEED, really. Want.

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, I meant I would ride my bike to Foster and Sheridan and pick up the 147. I don't like getting to work all sweaty. It ruins my day.

― Jesse, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm too wussy to ride my bike to work any more I think, but I have been walking here a fair amount.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

I don't like getting to work all sweaty. It ruins my day.

ah, see, i can shower at the health club upstairs.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

We have fancy, working shower displays here, but the doors are clear glass, so I'd have to risk my coworkers seeing me wet & naked. Um, no.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

Put on a show! Maybe get a feather fan or two.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

I ride my bike. I show up to work red and sweaty day in and day out (as long as its warm). We even have a private shower in the office with a locked door, carpeted floor (not in the shower), little custom soaps, and all the amenities of a bathroom as kept by a 70 year old lady. The only problem is the owner won't let anybody but him, his brother, and any hott chixx that happen to wander through use it. That's fine, I can smell at work and noone would really think twice about it -- one of the benefits of programming computers I suppose.

― mattttt, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

I react with suspicion when I meet someone with my name.

I just talked to one of my friends/coworkers who is moving to Chicago tomorrow. Jesse, I think you would like him, he's gay but he doesn't seem it.

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

The first quarter of the Descent, where it's just cave and no monsters, terrified me. I am never going spelunking ever.

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

That's known in some circles as "Jesse-Morbius."

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan OTM.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

I can take either the 135, 145, or 146 and get dropped off within 2 blocks of my work. I've been doing this everyday to prepare.

― Jeff, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

I am hoping that the delays won't pose too much of a problem for me, since I typically board the train in the morning at 9 and at night sometime around 6:30. But that is probably wishful thinking.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

oh noes john's denial is cracking. Soon he will have a full-fledged CTA nervous breakdown.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Tears before bedtime.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Marnie Stern listed

"I've seen Rocky 4 over 500 times."

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

There was never any *denial*. I always knew that there would be delays with the three-track issue, and the fact that the CTA has gone out of their way to warn people about that (with brochures, announcements, posters, etc.) has convinced me of that even further.

But from the beginning, they have made it clear that this will affect the evening commute more than the morning commute, and when they mentioned commutes taking twice as long, that was obviously a worst-case scenario -- and only for those people on the train at peak times. A lot of people conveniently ignored that and got all "the sky is falling" about it.

I can understand why a lot of people are cynical about the CTA, but since 95% of the time, it gets me to work right on time, with few delays, it's hard for me to adopt that attitude. If you're already used to delays, this new renovation project probably sounds like the worst thing ever; if you're not used to delays, like me, right now you're just crossing your fingers and hoping that it stays that way.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

Just you wait, 'Enry 'Iggins.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

This is where I'd used to be able to post something sarcastic about the Blue Line running awesomely except it's not. :(

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

...

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

Someone just told me that Digd0wn is mentioned in the new issue of Jane magazine. I hope that it's in the "new sex positions!" article but I'm guessing it's the "New Orleans for cheap" one, judging from their website.

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

lol Jazz up your love life!

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Apparently they saw us play in N.O. last month but only talk about how we are young, white, and midwestern. :(

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

Jeff, where do you keep your online show calendar? I was thinking of making one.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

So, nothing good at all then, Jordan??

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't read it yet, but one of the other guys did and said they didn't talk about the music at all (and that show was one of our best). But any publicity etc.

If they were disappointed at our lack of authenticity then they must have missed the four or five local luminaries who sat in that night!

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

Breaking news -- white boys play black music. More at ten.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

I should have watched Lost on the web last night because I really really want to click on the thread now.

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

WHO HERE LIKES TO PARTY?

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, does this mean you got that second cup of coffee? :-D

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

calm down andrew wk

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

But seriously guys, who here likes to party?

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

are you asking me for drugs?...

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Kit Kat, I just use google calendar these days.

― Jeff, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

ok nick, i'll bite. I like to party. There, I said it.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone else? Does anyone else like to party?

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

I've been known to enjoy partying on occasion.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://buttonstore.com/images/PT3s1big.gif

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

Partying could be listed as one of the activities enjoyed by myself from time to time.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:46 (nineteen years ago)

I like enchiladas. Does that count?

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh. I want mexican food for dinner.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

How do you start a poll thread?

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

That's probably a bad idea.

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:50 (nineteen years ago)

What? A poll thread where you ask if people like to party?

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Are you saying mexican food is bad idea or a poll is a bad idea??

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

Because now I'm all hyped for mexican food.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

???

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

????

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

?????

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

I am a hype.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

I considered ripping off a friend's idea for a poll thread yesterday: "What is your favorite calculator word?" (i.e. grade-school shit like 55378008) Then I thought that might be a bad idea, too.

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

But seriously, guys, how do you start a poll thread?

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

Also, what are you guys doing tonight?

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

it's under "more..."

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

nick, will you cut to the chase all goddamn ready?

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j225/leonb77/spicoli.jpg

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

The party question and asking what people are doing tonight are unrelated.

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

I have no plans.

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

'cept I'll probably watch Lost as soon as I get home from work.

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

I have class on Saturday mornings for the next 10 weeks, so I probably won't be doing much on Fridays during that time.

― Jeff, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:00 (nineteen years ago)

Going to a Moroccan restaurant for dinner, no plans after that.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

I plan to have band practice and then eat mexican food and drink a freakin margarita.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:07 (nineteen years ago)

Time for my fancy PBJ (cherry jam!) and papaya/blackberry combo. L8tes.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:08 (nineteen years ago)

omg you know what's great? "Behind Closed Doors" by Charlie Rich.

She makes me glad that I'm a man.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

I hope to go drinking with girls tonight.

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

Skipping to the end to say:

Jordan, JANE magazine is such a piece of hypocritical shit I wouldn't worry about their criticism of your band for being young, white, or midwestern.

Okay, BRB.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

Tell me more about JANE. I used to read it, circa 2000, and enjoyed it.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, tell me why you think it is hypocritical.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

I might even agree.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

I only read Angry Fucking Dykes magazine.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Jane is an American magazine created to appeal to the women who grew up reading Sassy Magazine, both of which were founded by Jane Pratt. Its original target audience (pitched to advertisers) was aged 19-34, and was designed to appeal to women who are irreverent. Originally intended by Pratt to be named Betty, she was voted down by everyone else involved in the making of the magazine.

Sassy, created by Pratt in 1987, was intended to appeal to adolescent girls, but because of its sexual candor and coverage of topics other teen magazines didn't touch, such as the riot grrrl movement, its popularity exploded beyond its intended audience.

"irrevernt"

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, I suspect the thrust is something like JANE presents itself as not another one of those mainstream consumerist women's magazines, and yet it's pretty much the same thing, except with a few more references to indie bands.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

It used to be pretty interesting as an alternative to BS women's magazines and I even had a subscription for many years, but lately it's fallen into the standard beauty mag mold of being more about shilling products than about anything else, plus they have this tendency to put blurbs about how women should eat, already! across from articles about how to lose weight or fashion spreads featuring dangerously underweight women. Basically, it pays lip service to feminist ideals while being pretty much straight up mainstream anti-feminist in execution.

One of my favorite recurring features in Bitch is the JANE-watch column. If you can find the essay "Ten Things to Hate about JANE Magazine," it outlines the problem pretty well.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

Wait! I had a subscription to Sassy, not Jane. Sorry.

And yes, John, that.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

These days, I'm more of a Bitch/Bust and occasionally Off Our Backs or Ms. woman myself.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

I would read Off Our Backs more if I didn't have to go to Heartland/Women and Children First to get it.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:30 (nineteen years ago)

Isn't Off Our Backs a .... lesbian publication?

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

That would explain why I had to drink a bottle of Miller Lite in under 20 seconds and demonstrate my cunnilingus skills before I could purchase one...

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

drink a bottle of Miller Lite in under 20 seconds

OK, I am unfamiliar with this stereotype.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

off our backs is a newsjournal by, for, and about women. It has been published continuously since 1970, making it the longest surviving feminist newspaper in the United States. It is run by a collective where all decisions are made by consensus.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

Lesbians like Miller Lite.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

(Side note: I've been using "OK" a lot lately, and it's kind of bothering me, because I used to be such a proponent for "okay" and now I feel like I'm selling out or something. Sometimes the brusqueness is just more appropriate, though.)

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

That's kind of funny. When Jeff and I were just internet friends, he used to comment on the fact that I always spelled out "okay." Now I don't. I attribute this to a desire for brevity.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know why I thought Off Our Backs was specifically lesbian. Maybe I was confusing it with the magazine for bisexuals called Anything That Moves.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

You're too busy for the ay now.

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

i've been overusing this emoticon lately

:-/

which i got from ethan, i think, but it seems really useful and true-to-life

― deej, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Even if Off Our Backs was written with an exclusively lesbian voice and viewpoint, I'd still buy it/read it.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

I really didn't need to buy that brownie after lunch. :-/

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, that works pretty well.

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

see!!!!

― deej, Friday, 30 March 2007 17:51 (nineteen years ago)

My sister worked for OOB for a while.

Sassy used to be AWESOME. I used to go over to the house of the girl who I had a crush on and read Sassy with her. I wonder why that never worked out?

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:00 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe she thought you and your sis were homos.

What did she do there, Nick? That's super cool.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

I don't remember, but I think it was while she was in college so I'm guessing general intern/gofer stuff, though I vaguely remember her talking about writing a piece for it too?

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

Actually it looks like she wrote a number of articles for them.

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

Miss Captivity!

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to say, "Adrienne" is a pretty feminist-sounding name, but it's possible I'm just thinking of Adrienne Rich.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

OMG so cool!

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

So some friends are throwing an engagement party for us at Sp1n tomorrow night and I just found out they want me to my iPod to hook up to the sound system in the back room for us. I'm excited/intimidated by the prospect of making this playlist.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Fun! Sounds like a good way to spend a gray Friday evening at home.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:24 (nineteen years ago)

I am about to leave the office. By the time I get home, in approximately 45 minutes, you suckas have better decided what I am doing for fun this evening.

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

One word: glory hole

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

BJ ramp.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

That's two words, John. Maybe you should have said one hole: glory.

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

That reminds me of my favorite line from So I Married an Axe Murderer (which I haven't seen in 10 years), when Anthony LaPaglia says to Mike Myers: "Two words: therapy."

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

I just sent a letter to homeowners named "Daniel & Dana." Gag me. Growing up, my parents were friends with "David & Donna." D&D also had matching bright red hair.

― KitCat, Friday, 30 March 2007 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

David and Donna?

http://images.zap2it.com/ltvimages/images/shows/b/beverlyhills90210/beverlyhills90210_001.jpg

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 30 March 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

"Jeff and Jenny" is kind of gagalicious, too, I have to say. I feel like the white hetero yuppie postercouple sometimes.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

My workplace is seriously taking on the tendencies of the world of Catch-22 today. All our email is being migrated to a Microsoft Exchange server and I keep waiting for someone to show up talking about how everyone has a a share in the syndicate...

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Especially when I'm driving our Beemer and drinking a mocha soy latte.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

I felt like a yuppie last week when I bought my Bluetooth thing for my cell phone. I swore I would never wear one of those things, but between going through four cheapo headsets in the last six months and commuting up to an hour and a half each way somedays, I figured I'd give it a try. And I actually kind of like it, but I swear I'm only going to use it in the car and not turn into one of those douches that wears it 24/7 blathering like a moron while grocery shopping.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 30 March 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

:) :)

test

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

The O.C.: Season 1: Disc 1

Arriving on or around: Saturday, Mar 31, 2007

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

oh, i missed you guys

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

Season 2 is the best O.C. season, definitely. Season 1 is pretty nifty too though, especially towards the latter half.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

More like O.don't.C!

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

It was kind of funny. Kr and I were on Netflix last night and were bummed to discover that while S2 of Twin Peaks comes out in a few days, S1 is no longer available for some reason. So we were trying to find a new TV show on DVD to watch and weren't all that enthused about the offerings. And then we saw The O.C. and I whispered, "I kind of want to watch The O.C.." And her eyes lit up and she whispered, "Yeah, me too."

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

TV show ProTip: Do not, under any circumstances, attempt to watch the BBC's Robin Hood program. It is awful.

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://image.allmusic.com/00/adg/cov200/drt600/t679/t67904a8pk9.jpg

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

It's a great guilty pleasure watch, honestly. What I liked most about it was how the writers realized how ridiculous the whole teen-drama genre can be and weren't afraid to acknowledge when they were falling into the same old traps. Plus Rachel B1lson is mega-cute.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Did you just post that as an img? If yes, that whoohoo for img links.

And xposts OMG!

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

And the "--"!!!

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

I started to type "image" and then I realized that we were dealing with ILX2.1. HEY XPOST!

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

The -- is crucial. And the centered horizontal lines (that I pushed for, yo).

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

img test

http://www.postmodern.com/~fi/pattipics/images/withrobert1.jpg

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

huh... it scales images down. that's actually pretty neat.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

I am like the happiest woman in the world right now! WOW. Thanks, nu-nu-ILX!

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

That image killed my Firefox ded.

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

Where's the thread where we say thank you for fixing all the stuff that ailed us?

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

i wish i could have been robert mapplethorpe for a year.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:37 (nineteen years ago)

you kids really shd watch Reds instead of trash TV.

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:38 (nineteen years ago)

The movie? But that's only two hours or so. Trash TV lasts forever.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

FOUR hours, plus a disc of extras

― Dr Morbius, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

We have season 1 of TP on DVD and are watching straight through from the pilot (taped from the "Chiller" network) until Season 2 gets here! We preordered!

!!

― La Lechera, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

That'll kill an evening, at least.

xp!

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

Nothing exciting happened at work today, but a couple of nights ago there was a fist fight where dudes ripped off their shirts and scrapped in the foyer. I wasn't there but I heard it was scary.

I like the new xp notification!!

― La Lechera, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

what is TP?

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

Toilet paper. On DVD.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

for version 2.2: redirect back to the thread, not the new answers page.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

Did they rip their shirts off before fighting?!

xpost, Twin Peaks

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, multiple xpost notifications.

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

oh twin peaks, got it

xpost xpost

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

oh wait it DOES redirect back to the thread! Yay!

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

YES! They agreed that they would fight, ripped off their shirts, and proceeded to begin pummeling each other. Then someone broke it up and one guy had a piece of frozen chicken on his injured eye.

― La Lechera, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

Hmm, it would be nice to be able to post anyway, even if there are new xposts. :>

I'm getting a blank page after posting a lot.

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

That's so, I don't know, kung fu movie. Or gay porn?

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

waht

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

waaaaht

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

Then someone broke it up and one guy had a piece of frozen chicken on his injured eye.

Wait, was this a consequence of the actual fight or a remedial measure for a fight-induced injury?

Meaning - the kidz do they fight with frozen chicken nowadays?

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, they call it "wingin'".

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

As in "I saw these two hypes out in the alley last night. They were wingin' over a piece of scrap metal or some shit."

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

Here's a funny story:

I got a gmail instant message from someone that asked me about visiting children at the Children's Hospital and I read the name as "Kenan" and thought WTF is Kenan trying to get me to go to Children's Hospital with him for, and what does he mean "again," and I mentally chased my tail trying to remember when I last went to Children's Hospital with Kenan and then looked at the message box again and realized the name was "Karen" as in the president of the student bar association and who is likely the complete opposite of Kenan in almost every way.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

Kids fight out scrap metal? Is this Mad Max or some shit?

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah they take it to that place on North Ave to sell it for money for teh drugz.

I am making all of this up. Except the place on North Ave.

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

who is likely the complete opposite of Kenan in almost every way

That's really too bad.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think so. You'd make a terrible student bar association president. And she'd make a terrible internet foil/drinking companion.

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

Now that I read my blogs through a feed integrated into my Google homepage, I constantly get people mixed up. Especially when I read three separate blogs called Glorious Noise, The Rest is Noise, and Grand Illusion. This happens with ILX sometimes, too, with, for instance, Thermo Thinwall, Thomas Tallis, and timmy tannin.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

use google reader

― Jeff, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

You'd make a terrible student bar association president.

I dunno... I might rise to the occasion. Maybe my whole problem is that I've never been a student bar association president. I THOUGHT THIS WAS THE LAND OF OPPORTUNITY.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

It is Google Reader, Jeff.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

You said Google Homepage. CAN"T YOU SEE HOW I MIGHT GET CONFUSED

― Jeff, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.nbaobsessed.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/google%2520fight%2520-%2520miami%2520vs%2520dallas.jpg

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

YES. I integrated Google Reader into my personalized Google homepage, along with my Gmail, NYT, weather, etc.

― jaymc, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, run and I will vote for you!

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

Whoops:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.aolsportsblog.com/media/2007/03/westvirginashirt.jpg

― Jenny, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

New Pornographers and Stephen Malkmus, hip-hop legends De La Soul, art-rock supergroup Battles, and hometown heroes and recent Matador signings the Ponys added to PFMF.

― Jeff, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:29 (nineteen years ago)

Thermo Thinwall, Thomas Tallis, and timmy tannin.

haha totally assumed there was Thomas Tallis and 'the other TT', never realized there were TWO others.

― deej, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:31 (nineteen years ago)

omg this birthday cake is bad. I had to throw it away. One layer of yellow, one layer of chocolate, cherry goo in between, flavorless white fluffy icing covered in long, oddly wormy chocolate sprinkles. no no no no boxcar.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:36 (nineteen years ago)

haha looking in the trash can, i see i am not alone in this opinion.

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:40 (nineteen years ago)

i like this style sheet with the shaded divs

― Jeff, Friday, 30 March 2007 21:55 (nineteen years ago)

there will be more. write your own and submit it to keith!

― kenan, Friday, 30 March 2007 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

The chicken was to help his ailing eye, or so I hear. It was a patty of some kind?
Have a good weekend -- join us for High School II tomorrow! It's almost FOUR HOURS LONG!

― La Lechera, Friday, 30 March 2007 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

Where are the stylesheets stored at?

That dude is going to get eye salmonella.

― Jordan, Friday, 30 March 2007 22:09 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone who's hanging out later, say around 8ish or after, give me a call. I want to hang out.

― n/a, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

I've made tentative plans to meet some peoples at the Streetside (Armitage/Kedzie) at around 10. You're welcome to come hang if you want, it's pretty cool from what I remember of it.

― dan m, Friday, 30 March 2007 23:07 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, j0dy nueva is going with some folks to Ethiopian food at 8:30. I'm sure you are welcome to crash their dinner. I'm going to a b-day party (not too excited) and may make it over.

― Eazy, Saturday, 31 March 2007 00:08 (nineteen years ago)

We're (JJJ&C) going to see Blades of Glory at the AMC 600 N. Michigan at 5:15pm tomorrow if anyone wants to join us. Who knows what will happen next.

― Jeff, Saturday, 31 March 2007 00:28 (nineteen years ago)

That means ORGY.

― Eazy, Saturday, 31 March 2007 01:08 (nineteen years ago)

We may just go to Room and Board and try out the couches.

― Jeff, Saturday, 31 March 2007 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

Or go eat some gumbo.

― Jeff, Saturday, 31 March 2007 01:14 (nineteen years ago)

I ordered Chinese food. Good ol' crappy Americanized Chinese food. So excited you guys.

― dan m, Saturday, 31 March 2007 01:26 (nineteen years ago)

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP.

I was on the Lake St. Red line platform at 11:30 tonight and a really dirty, ratty, crazy guy was begging for change--not just asking, but actually begging.

My train came, and suddenly he was inches behind me. I was the only one boarding at that door, so he startled me, and I spun around to see what he was doing. He was right behind me, miming holding my shoulder with his right hand while spanking me underhand with his left. At the same time he was muttering, "smackthatss-smackthatass-smackthatass." I ran away, bumping into other riders. The guy got on the train and said, "Excuse me. Can anybody--" Then he turned around, bolted toward the closing doors, pried them open, and exited the train.

― Jesse, Saturday, 31 March 2007 05:46 (nineteen years ago)

ihttp://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Sf_YiqbCZXNRxM:http://www.periodistadigital.com/imgs/20051003/link.chavez.today.one_1.jpg

test

― Jesse, Saturday, 31 March 2007 05:47 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh! But the URL automatically turns into a link!!!

― Jesse, Saturday, 31 March 2007 05:47 (nineteen years ago)

congratulations

― Jeff, Saturday, 31 March 2007 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

On my ass attracting homeless man?

― Jesse, Saturday, 31 March 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

I are a DePaul Student. I got my acceptance letter today. I am enrolled "conditionally," meaning that I have to take an entrance exam, which will be no problem.

What will be a problem is that I am inelligible for Federal student loans! It seems I'm at my maximum for my loans for my class standing (senior, and holding). :( Gotta figure something out.

― Jesse, Saturday, 31 March 2007 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Alright! We're a DePaul family now. I'm going to donate a used mattress to St. Vince thrift stores to celebrate.

― Jenny, Saturday, 31 March 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

I have just one thing to say:

Ribeye Steak Sausage with Horseradish Cream Sauce and Irish Dubliner Cheese

― Jesse, Saturday, 31 March 2007 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

But I would like to add Saussison Alsacienne: Bacon Sausage with Creme Fraiche, Caramelized Onions and Morbier Cheese

I don't know about the creme fraiche, but bacon sausage?! Those words are beautiful together!

― Jesse, Saturday, 31 March 2007 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

I want to be DJ Bacon Sausage

― Eazy, Saturday, 31 March 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

And my first 12" single will be "Saucisson Alsacienne"

― Eazy, Saturday, 31 March 2007 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

congratulations jesse, paying for it SHOULD be the easy part about depaul but it totally won't be. when jen went depaul i wound up taking a 2nd job and she borrowed some $$$ from her mom. it was still a major major hassle.

but congrats, again.

― Laurel, Saturday, 31 March 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

sorry, kevin posting from laurel's computer.

― Laurel, Saturday, 31 March 2007 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah is getting her hair did in Wrigleyville this afternoon at 2 so I will probably be wandering around the Wville/Roscoe Village area if anyone wants to come keep me company. Call me.

― n/a, Saturday, 31 March 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

Re paying for school: don't be afraid of private loans (if you can get them) and start working your scholarship opportunities, which are definitely out there. Also, since you don't need that many credits to finish up, look into DePaul's tuition payment plan and consider taking one class at a time while you figure out the rest. That's what I did at GSO College.

― Jenny, Saturday, 31 March 2007 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

I've got chores to do today, but we're going to a movie at 7 (time change!) and maybe we can meet up afterwards for drinks or something?

― Jenny, Saturday, 31 March 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

Hi kevin! Say hello to New York for me. I miss her.

(Kenan from Julia's computer, btw.)

― JuliaA, Saturday, 31 March 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Going to a wedding today. Have fun, you guys.

(John posting from John's computer.)

― jaymc, Saturday, 31 March 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

I was surprised to discover that tamales weren't some type of sexual perverts.

― Heave Ho, Saturday, 31 March 2007 17:13 (nineteen years ago)

We are going to Ponys/Black Lips show tonight, so drinks are probably off.

― n/a, Saturday, 31 March 2007 17:37 (nineteen years ago)

congratulations jesse, paying for it SHOULD be the easy part about depaul but it totally won't be.

Thanks!

I don't know if you think that it's hard to get into DePaul as an undergrad, but I can tell you IT'S NOT. I thought I said it before, but the standards for many private schools (even well-known ones like Loyola and DePaul) are much lower than many public schools. The reason for this is b/c the public schools have state standards to maintain.

UIC requires a 2.5 GPA for transfers into most majors
DePaul, a 1.7 and will even accept those with GPAs lower than that for under academic probation.

I would not mind getting private loans, but I think that considering the fact that I'm still slowly rebuilding my credit, I would have a hard time or would get raped on the interest.

It's going to cost me around $8,000. But there is a 1-time scholarship that I should be able to get for $2000, and a couple others. $6,000 is not so bad.

― Jesse, Saturday, 31 March 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

Nice, dude. How long is it going to take you to get the degree?

― Jordan, Saturday, 31 March 2007 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

Btw I setup a myspace page for my electronic music dingus here, you should all friend me.

― Jordan, Saturday, 31 March 2007 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

(ah! an xpost! this post answers your question!)

But I have a possible dilemma.

I am probably accepted at NEIU, where I would have to take around 30 hours to get institutional residency. This would equal 3 semesters, and around $6000, plus books. Since I would be full-time, my student loan payments and interstest would be deferred.

At DePaul, I would take 1 class per quarter, but not simultaneously. $6,000 and I would only buy 1 book the whole time (!).

The biggest differences would be

DePaul
Pros
-Not having to go full-time
---Could work, study, play
---Less schoolwork
-Way easier commute
-Less $ on books
-The DePaul name

Cons
-Accruing loan interst and re-paying monthly

I don't think I need to finish. DePaul is the clear winner, right?

― Jesse, Saturday, 31 March 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan, I wouldn't mind meeting the Jesse-Morbius guy, but I have to say that feel weird with a set-up sort of situation--I don't set-up only as in a date thing, but as a "Hey, you both have X in common, be friends."

I tend to be kind of inflexible about wanting things to be organic. This is why meeting people from the internet is hard for me. If I had come to ILX without Jenny and Jeff to push me into FAPs, etc., I would never in a million years have considered meeting any of you fine, fine people in person. (I'm glad the J/J are better at this than me.)

Jesse-Morbius should join us for TT or other funtertainment!

― Jesse, Saturday, 31 March 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.metafilter.com/59903/Mandingo-Party#comment

Come watch something dumb unfold!

― Jesse, Saturday, 31 March 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

I like yr songs, Jordan. I like Mobject better because I'm not so much into d&b. Are all of the drum sounds sampled, or are some of them you playing or samples of you playing? The drums in the second half of Mobject sound pretty organic.

BTW, you misspelled the link on the IMM thread.

― n/a, Saturday, 31 March 2007 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks Nick. 90% of the drum sounds are samples of me playing, except for the obvious electro sounding stuff. Some of the beat at the end is me playing live, I kind of blended it.

Jesse, yr probably right. I did tell him I'd call him to hang when I was in Chicago next.

― Jordan, Saturday, 31 March 2007 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

DAN we r NOT @ Whirlaway anymore.

― n/a, Sunday, 1 April 2007 05:44 (nineteen years ago)

i am in bad mood because i missed show i should not have, second time in row, robotic emotional response to avoid livid anger at self

― kenan, Sunday, 1 April 2007 06:03 (nineteen years ago)

cannot deny, this thread rattled me earlier:

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=60&threadid=5483

uh.

― kenan, Sunday, 1 April 2007 06:27 (nineteen years ago)

DAN we r NOT @ Whirlaway anymore.

That's for the best anyway. When I got your message I was wobbling home from Small Bar anticipating Chinese food leftovers. They were delicious, BTW.

― dan m, Sunday, 1 April 2007 06:53 (nineteen years ago)

Blades of Glory was pretty funny.

― Jenny, Sunday, 1 April 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

Oh good.

― Jordan, Sunday, 1 April 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

-Blades of Glory was funny.

-Beer was cold at Pippins.

-Monte Christo sandwich at Clarke's was not as leaden as I would have thought it would be.

-I met a German man who insisted that Lufthansa did NOT upholster their first class seats in human skin. Riiiiight.

-Little Jim's is full of weirdos. A guy came up to me and the Deutschlander and asked if he could watch us have sex. The German wanted to know if that was normal in the US. How can I answer that? Not normal, but not the craziest thing that happened to me all week.

― Jesse, Sunday, 1 April 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

Taxes = done. I broke exactly even (i.e. I owed the feds what the state is giving me back), or at least I would've if not for a few stupid filing charges.

Now I can get back to watching Children of Men again.

― Jordan, Sunday, 1 April 2007 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

After months of neglect, I returned to my Animal Crossing town. I picked all the weeds and found a four leaf clover. I'm wearing it in my hair now.

― Jeff, Sunday, 1 April 2007 23:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.smokeyrobinsonfoods.com/

― Jeff, Monday, 2 April 2007 00:35 (nineteen years ago)

New CoCoRosie is good.

May 12th at the Metro!

― Jeff, Monday, 2 April 2007 00:40 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan - sorry if it seemed like we ran off at the movie theater. We got ushered off onto the escalator before I realized what was happening. I yelled at you from the escalator but I don't think you heard me.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 01:58 (nineteen years ago)

We saw a sneak preview of "Grindhouse."

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:08 (nineteen years ago)

My poor hand is still tingling!!

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:43 (nineteen years ago)

Tonight's CTA wackiness

Got on the red line at Fullerton and sat down next to a big black guy who would not move his legs, so I said, "Excuse me," and he still wouldn't move them since he was talking to his friends, 4 or 5 other young black guys who were LOUD and who were being very aggressive towards white and hispanic riders. I heard someone say, "You're gay! Why don't you put your arm around him. That faggot can tell you're gay, that's why he sat next to you." It took me a while to figure out they were talking about me.

The group was behind me, and I could hear them making fun of white people, and one guy said, "I love messing with people because what the fuck are they gonna do? Nothing--" and then to a particular person, "You can't do NOTHING."

At Belmont a frat boy got off the train and made a point of going around to each guy in the group and giving daps, and saying, "Peace, dawg." A woman got on and they said, "Let the bitch sit down! Let that bitch sit down! Sit down, bitch."

They started picking on a nerdy-looking white guy, making fun of his pants and yelling in his face, and then all stood up and yelled at the people seated at the end of the car, finally chanting (I'm not making this up!) "BLACK POWER! BLACK POWER!" until they got off at Wilson.

Then at Argyle a young guy offered me a palm frond from the bunch he was carrying and distributing.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

http://photos.friendster.com/photos/00/62/2062600/605114112120l.jpg

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 03:10 (nineteen years ago)

How was Grindhouse?

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 06:12 (nineteen years ago)

I wrote about it on the Grindhouse thread. Basically, it was what you might expect from the premise, though Tarantino's half was much milder than Rodriguez's half.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 11:24 (nineteen years ago)

What's new?

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:05 (nineteen years ago)

I think I'm still hungover from Saturday night. Ugh.

Hopefully you all have avoided too many CTA headaches this morning.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

Then at Argyle a young guy offered me a palm frond from the bunch he was carrying and distributing.

Peace, dawg.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

When does passover start? I saw a woman in Jewel yesterday with, no lie, a cart full of matzoh. I also saw a different woman with a cart full of soy milk, but that was likely unrelated.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

Dunno. Soon.

HIIII.

I'm feeling kind of worn out from my walk in this morning. It was cooler than I expected.

Also, I really enjoyed Grindhouse, but it made me feel like I need to work out more so I can have a go go dancer's body and use that body to fight bad guys.

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

Did it make you feel like you should replace one of your legs with a machine gun?

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

since I know seders were held Saturday, I'm guessing it's started

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

Grindhouse being 3 hrs long makes it much more pathetic than I'd expected.

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

I wish my work would serve matzoh. It's annoying to have to tell the Jewish patrons we don't have it, then hear them complain.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

Do any of you ever feel kind of shitty after drinking Starbucks coffee? It makes me feel different than coffee from anywhere else. I wonder if it has drastically more caffeine than other chains' coffees.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

We had no idea it would be that long. It's a double feature, and the first one was a good length I think, but the second could have easily lost 30 minutes or so off the top.

Jenny, in a post-apocolypic world, yes. Today, though, I'm enjoying wearing these black flats.

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

I've got lets and I know how to use them.

Never-the-less, Nick, I'm jealous of your coffee. I made a big mistake this morning. I tried putting pina colada flavored protein powder in OJ. I mean, the packet said not to blend it, just gently stir, and suggested using juice instead of milk... It was GRAY! And CHUNKY! CHUNKY AND GRAY! I tried to force some down, but it was making me cry inside so I poured it down the drain. Mostly, I was sad I had wasted some precious precious OJ.

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

I've got legs, not lets.

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

I notice no difference.

Nick, this isn't directed toward you, but you know what I don't like? People who conflate the shittiness of Starbucks' world domination with shittiness of their product. The coffee is good, and they are stringent in quality control. People who say it's bad and that they prefer ________ independent coffee shop are all mixed up. Though I think the crazy coffee-candy drinks do deserve a little ribbing.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

I am really unfocused today. I felt great and awake this morning but now I am blurry and out of it. That's what I mean about Starbucks coffee. It must be the way they make it at the stores, I've been using their beans at home for the past couple of weeks and it's been fine.

Do people want to plan to record CHILX all-stars this weekend sometime? Next weekend (the weekend of the 13th/14th) is going to be really bad for me, we're playing out of town on the 13th and so our equipment probably won't be loaded back into the space by the 14th.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

Passover starts Monday at sundown, I believe. Or at least that's when the one (1) really observant Jew I know is celebrating it. And let this be my reminder to go out and find Passover Coke made with real sugar instead of HFCS, I forget EVERY YEAR.

― Laurel, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:47 (nineteen years ago)

I think Starbucks coffee tastes fine, generally, though sometimes it has kind of a burnt overtone. It's better than any other chain coffee place, for the most part. There are some independent coffee shops that I think have better coffee than Starbucks, though I think the best coffee is the coffee I make at home.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Starbucks tastes burnt.

Passover is going on now, I told my mom I would drive to Mke for that seder tonight. I probably won't get back until 1 am, then I've got to put in some serious overtime at work this week. Whining, etc.

It's annoying to have to tell the Jewish patrons we don't have it, then hear them complain.

WTF, if they want matzoh they shouldn't go out to eat.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

I looked for Passover Coke EVERYWHERE last year and couldn't find it. I tried the Jewel, Dominick's and maybe somewhere else. Everytime I was at a place that sells Coke, I looked. No love for the Jews here in Chicago.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

The only reason coffee would taste burnt is from overroasting the beans, the same beans you are using at home. Maybe it could be their paper cups?

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

Starbucks brewed coffee makes me really jittery and kind of sick and dirty on the inside feeling. Their espresso drinks don't have the same effect, nor does brewed coffee from other shops. I prefer Intellegentsia coffee uber alles, as I've said a bazillion times, but I'm generally grateful for the convenience of Starbucks because I drink a fuck of a lot of coffee.

Actually lately I have been really craving Dunkin Donuts coffee, black, probably because they put mind control drugs in their coffee.

Speaking of coffee, I'm using up all my yarn scraps by crocheting little coffee cup sleeves to use in lieu of cardboard sleeves and save trees and look prosh while you're drinking your joe so you should all just expect to receive one the next time I see you.

xp - our Jewel has a whole Jew aisle towards the back of the produce section so look there.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:54 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to Skokie to get some.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Why ha ha?

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

Oh. I see the bold text now.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

Jewel with Jewaisle.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

My mom + the Orthodox bring out these incredibly rude impulses in me that I don't have at any other time. I'm usually a nice, considerate dude, but these situations have the potential to make me into an asshole. Especially if I'm hungry and tired. We'll see.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

Eat and do meth before you go visit.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:01 (nineteen years ago)

So. Anyone ride the red line today?

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, I think the Passover Coke might only be in glass bottles, just FYI. Not entirely sure but I sort of remember someone saying that....

― Laurel, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

Oh. Is glass bottle Coke made with sugar?

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

I never thought about it before, but it always seemed thicker/more syrupy to me.

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

A dude started working here today named "Nate Bj0rk". That's not bad.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/179/443570932_d037fe7884.jpg

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

rode the red line today, and no worries. Surprisingly.

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

Uh. Coke makes a limited run with sugar at Passover, because corn products aren't kosher for Passover (altho they are at other times of the year). For some reason I seem to recall someone telling me that it's bottled in glass and that's what I should look for. That is all.

― Laurel, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

xp to myself: There are some pint glasses modeling what you are all in for. Jeff has asked that I try to be a little more manly with my color selection.

Yes - Laurel is correct. Also Coke in other countries still has sugar in it since not everybody is as willing to ruin their health in the name of corn subsidies as we Americans are.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

I should bring some cocaine tonight and say I misunderstood.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

what are manly colors, exactly?

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

I used to not dig Starbucks coffee at all, but 1) there's one right upstairs, 2) they always have the Breakfast Blend, which is my favorite, and 3) is beats office coffee with a long 2 x 4.

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

I meant to say, is it ALWAYS made with sugar.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

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― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/208/441570620_009be7bd96.jpg?v=0

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:27 (nineteen years ago)

People at the flower shop would ask for "masculine" flowers all the time. We would just avoid pastels.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

what are manly colors, exactly?

Pinks and purples and unicorns and rainbows.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Unless you're being contrary, I think you can figure out what is meant by "manly colors."

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Wait. Why is everything italics? I am not putting things in italics!

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

Help!!!!!

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

blacks and browns. Attache colors, I suppose. But maybe Jeff likes green and purple!

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

[/i] Check.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

[/i]

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

italics begone!

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

ok wtf

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

uh?

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

Everything we're saying bears such empahsis.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

Note: if you use the italics tag, it remains italics.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

This is not happening on other threads!!!!

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

It all started with this

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― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

maybe time for a new thread? It's a new Monday after all.

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know. This is kind of funny.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

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― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

[/i]

Oh ilxpaws.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

testtest

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

[/i] Fixed?

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

[/i]

[/I!!!!!!!!!!]

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

[OMG /IIIIIIII!!!]

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

my kind of posts, italic is...

― Dr Morbius, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

ONLY IN CHICAGO

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.vkgfx.com/misc/serious.jpg

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

I have heard many people complain that Starbucks tastes too burnt/bitter. I've probably only had Starbucks coffee a handful of times, so I can't say whether or not that's true, but I do know that Intelligentsia coffee is really good. I bet Metropolis is, too, but it came into existence after I gave up coffee.

I left my apartment at the exact same time as I always do (8:38), and the el pulled up to Merchandise Mart at the exact same time it always does (9:26). As I suspected, morning commute was not affected. We'll see about tonight.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Let's just speak in quotes for the rest of the day. No more original writing, it'll be like that Lethem article in Harper's.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Goddammit, I want to read that article. Is isn't online anywhere, is it?

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

Huh, it used to be, but apparently it's "subscribers only" now. I've got the issue somewhere, it was an airport buy.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

OK, it's no longer italics.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 14:55 (nineteen years ago)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH! RETURN OF THE ITALICS!

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

Just kidding.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thisisnot1966.com/images/fozzy.jpg

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

APRIL FOOL'S DAY WAS YESTERDAY NICK

― Laurel, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

Everyday is April Fool's Day to me.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

Hi.

None of that was in italics for me

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

I totally forgot about April Fool's Day.

None of it was in italics for me, either.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Well, they fixed it retroactively, so unless you were on while it was messed up, you wouldn't have seen it.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

I feel about April Fool's Day like serious drinkers feel about St. Patrick's Day - it's amateur hour.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know what I was going for there. But I don't like April Fool's Day.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Why the fuck do I have "It's Five O'Clock Somewhere" by Alan Jackson on my iPod?!?!?!?!

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Because you love Alan Jackson so much?

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

I want to see Grindhouse. I could have seen SO MUCH (the) Wire this weekend, but only one disc came in the mail and Bbuster was completely out. I was reduced to shitty network tv last night. :/

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to Skokie to get some.

That's my kind of morning.

The coffee that makes me jumpy and headachy yet revved up, leading me to wonder if it has more caffeine than the others, is COSI.

Sometime last year John talked on here about how caffeine gives him ADD and leaves him unable to concentrate, and it was a be revelation for me, after years of drinking coffee before undertaking some hard brain work. Haven't stopped drinking it, though.

El construction = Y2K of 2007?

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

I have to say, even with the slow zone, my commute on the Blue Line today was faster than it has been in weeks. I am cautiously optimistic.

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

Also, can play/record this weekend on either Friday or Saturday.

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, Eric (or anyone else), have you been to the Guatemalan restaurant called El Tinajon on Roscoe, just down the street from Victory's Banner? We ended up eating there Friday because Cafe Tapatio was too full. My vegetarian platter was very starchy (mostly bean and potato dishes) but tasty and nicely presented.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

because "It's Five O'Clock Somewhere" is awesome?

― horseshoe, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

I have no idea how it got onto my iPod though. I didn't download it, and I can't imagine that Sarah did either, and I don't know anyone who might have put it on a mix ... mysterious.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Check this out (from an email from my mom):

Oh-- I did not know that Arrested Development was Also the name of a black folk rock group I picked Arrested Development Unplugged from among the Netflix choices and was unpleasantly surprised this weekend when the disk arrived. I was expecting something like a pilot or encore presentation from the Bluth krewe. I could not even play the whole disk as background music. It was so not my style.

MOM! Arrested Development was only the very first cd I ever owned!

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

Someone should make a mix with "My Funny Valentine" (last line: "each day is Valentine's Day") preceding Ministry's "Every Day is Halloween."

I watched four episodes of The O.C. yesterday. I don't know how I feel about it yet. All the women on the show wear too much makeup. And knowing that Seth and Summer end up together is weird, because right now, she's such a bitch. I don't even know why he likes her.

Sometime last year John talked on here about how caffeine gives him ADD and leaves him unable to concentrate and it was a be revelation for me, after years of drinking coffee before undertaking some hard brain work

Huh. I remember this (it was the day a co-worker brought in some espresso brownies), but it was more like I couldn't focus on one thing (like work) because the caffeine made me want to do a million things at once, to take advantage of all the brain activity. In the years when I drank coffee, it was always great for serious 10-page journal entries, after which I'd walk home from Kopi and have an idea for a song in my head.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, yr mom is awesome. That sounds like an Achewood comic.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

xp to Sarah - I read that as "black folk" rock group, as in a bunch of black folks playing rock and roll but now I see she meant black "folk rock" group, as in a bunch of black folks playing folk rock.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha, Jenny's parsing is funny.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

I have been to El Tinajon. I think I picked it for Restaurant Club a few years ago and have since been back two or three times, including once for margaritas with Kr last summer and again with my dad and some friends of his around Christmas. I'm a fan.

(Speaking of which, I get to meet my dad's "lady friend" on Sunday.)

Arrested Development was definitely one of the first CDs I ever owned. First was PM Dawn, but I might have bought The East Coast Family, Vol. 1 or Danny Elfman's Nightbreed soundtrack before Arrested Development.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know that I can do CHILX All-Star Jam this weekend. I'm playing a show on Friday night, going out to the burbs on Sunday, and maybe doing drugs on Saturday.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

I've been to El Tinajon on Roscoe once - I remember liking it OK but don't remember it much, but I'd go back.

xpost- ooh, ladyfriend!

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

First CD was either "Flood" by TMBG or "Cosmic Thing" by the B-52s.

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

and maybe doing drugs on Saturday.

I don't see how this could conflict with CHILX jamming.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think I should operate a car.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

First CDs were Appetite for Destruction and Keith Richards Talk is Cheap. Not quite as cool as TMBG or B-52s. Or PM Dawn.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Take the CTA, John. There are many days when I think my CTA experience would be enhanced by my being on drugs, instead of everybody else being on drugs.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

May as well...

First I recieved - EMF Schubert Dip (xmas present, from my sister)
First I bought - Nirvana Nevermind (with xmas $$$)

Guess which I still have?

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

I don't want to commit, because I may feel like staying under my bed, chasing hallucinogenic butterflies.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

What kind of drugs are you planning on doing?

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Probably a good idea.

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

First CDs (bought the same day): The Sugarcubes Life's Too Good and Lou Donaldson [/i]Blues Walk[/i].

(first LP, age 7 - Billy Joel, The Stranger; first cassette, age 13 - Men at Work, Business as Usual)

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

First cd I bought was MC Hammer.

Earlier stuff was an MC Hammer tape and the Ghostbusters 7".

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Early 7"s: Blondie, Heart of Glass; Rupert Holmes Answering Machine.

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

My first LPs were Kiss, Rock and Roll Over and Destroyer and I think my first casette was Krokus Headhunter, but I'm not entirely sure. One 7" that I had was "You Dropped a Bomb on Me" by the Gap Band.

The first song I ever downloaded was Nomadic Revery by Bonnie Prince Billy. Jeff sent it to me over ICQ.

Here is an interesting tidbit: Most federal, Illinois, and Cook County/Chicago municipal agencies offer services in both Spanish and Polish.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

Blondie, Sugarcubes, Lou Donaldson? Look who had to have a hipster childhood!

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

My first cassette, I think, was Eric Carmen's greatest hits. The only other possibility is George Michael's "Faith."

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

"Answering Machine" by Rupert Holmes

A little while ago
I went and placed a call
To tell this girl I know
That she could have it all
The wedding, the ring, the whole dumb thing
I was willing to tie the knot
So I called her up, and this is the answer I got

"I'm so sorry
You have just reached my answering machine
I'm not in at present
I'm sure you know this whole routine
Leave your name and number
And I'll Try to get back to you
You have thirty seconds
To talk to me before you're through."
And I said Baby, lets go get married!
I need to know you're mine
I am hanging on, I am hanging on
I am hanging on this line
And if I could leave one message
Before you go to bed
I would say to you (beep!)
And the phone went dead!

So I went out to buy
Some dog food for the cat
Of course, she called
About three minutes after that
Would she be my wife
And share my life
Well of course, you can write the plot
Cause she called me up
And this is the answer she got:

"I'm so sorry
You have just reached my answering machine
I'm not in at present
I'm sure you know this whole routine
Leave your name and number
And I'll Try to get back to you
You have thirty seconds
To talk to me before you're through."
And she said "Baby, I got your message
and I'm answering your call
I have thought it out, I have thought it out
And I figure all in all,
If you ask if we can marry,
And make it for all time
Then my answer is (beep!)
and the phone went

"I'm so sorry
You have just reached my answering machine
I'm not in at present
I'm sure you know this whole routine
(Fade out)

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

So her answering machine called him? And why did he buy dog food for the cat?

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Wait for the beep. You gotta leave your name, you gotta leave your number. Wait for the beep.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

He called her to propose but couldn't finish; she called him back to give him her answer, but she gets cut off, and then that's just Rupert and his L.A. vibe fading out at the end.

Side B to "Answering Machine" (and the one I ended up listening to more) is "Lunch Hour": which starts "She gets an hour for lunch/But if it comes to the crunch/She can stretch it if you what I mean" - and the chorus goes (this is from memory, the lyrics aren't online):

Lunch hour
Lunch hour
Lunch hour
Lunch hour
How do you find time to eat
When there are so many people on the street
and all of them are hungry hungry hungry hungry hunnnngray!
Hungray!
Give me a sandwich to go!
As long as I have you I know
I'll never go hunnnngray

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

haha

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

O Superman. O judge. O Mom and Dad. Mom and Dad
O Superman. O judge. O Mom and Dad. Mom and Dad

Hi. I'm not home right now
But if you want to leave a message
Just start talking at the sound of the tone

Hello? This is your Mother
Are you there? Are you coming home?
Hello? Is anybody home?

Well, you don't know me, but I know you.
And I've got a message to give to you.
Here come the planes.
So you better get ready.
Ready to go.
You can come as you are, but pay as you go
Pay as you go

And I said:
OK. Who is this really?
And the voice said:
This is the hand, the hand that takes
This is the hand, the hand that takes
This is the hand, the hand that takes

Here come the planes
They're American planes
Made in America
Smoking or non-smoking?

And the voice said:
Neither snow nor rain nor gloom of night shall
stay these couriers from the swift completion
of their appointed rounds
'Cause when love is gone, there's always justice
And when justice is gone, there's always force
And when force is gone, there's always Mom

Hi Mom!
So hold me, Mom, in your long arms
So hold me, Mom, in your long arms
In your automatic arms
Your electronic arms
In your arms
So hold me, Mom, in your long arms
Your petrochemical arms
Your military arms
In your electronic arms

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

AND DID YOU KNOW: You can call 311 and ask for a Polish speaking advocate to help you communicate with someone on the phone and 311 will set up a three way call between you, the advocate, and whomever you are calling! Holy cow! That's pretty great.

A google search reveals that Lunch Hour is about using your lunch hour for cheating on your spouse.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

OH! 30 second samples of both of these Rupert Holmes songs, including the chorus for "Lunch Hour"!

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry to indulge in this a bit further, but listening to all the song samples on Partners in Crime makes me realize how much "Escape (The Pina Colada Song)" is kind of a vanilla steal from Steely Dan.

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Ooo we're going to see Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf tomorrow night! So excited you guys!

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

I've got plans to go there tomorrow night too!

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

You don't say! Want to get dinner with us* before the show?

*Jesse, Courtney, Leslie, Nina (another law skoo pal), and yrs truly.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

I think we're eating at the Eye-talian Village.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'll check with the pal I'm going with, but I'm up for it.

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

I want to see Betrayal at Steppenwolf.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

I know it's cliche to complain about this but...

PEOPLE WHO BLINDLY "REPLY TO ALL" AND SEND DOZENS OF EMAILS TO UNCONCERNED PARTIES SHOULD BE ROUNDED UP AND SENT TO EMAIL RE_EDUCATION CAMPS

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry for killing the thread with office rage. It's really annoying though!

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

It is really annoying!

Here is an office annoyance that you don't get every day:

Worker Justice, Inc. is on the third floor of a church across the hall from a gym (with a bball court and everything) where kids from the day care play. So I go to pee and as I'm sitting on the can I hear the door open and the pitter patter of VERY EXCITED little footsteps run into the bathroom and sure enough, smack into the door of the stall where I am sitting. And I know it's a little kid so I don't want to push the door back hard and risk hurting the little fellow (it was a little fellow) so I sort of created some resistence so he didn't whap me in the knees with the door and when he subsequently joined me in the stall said, "Sorry, kiddo! I'm in here!" and he kind of stood there and looked at me for a second and then RAN into another stall (and peed all over the seat, but what can you do). So that was funny.

And then! That little fellow and a pal of his were washing their hands and turned the water on full blast and so of course sprayed water everywhere when they put their hands under it and I LOLed because it was pretty funny and the kid was like A HA! This is funny! So proceeded to try and spray water all over his compainion and I LOLOLOLOLed because I find kids pretty funny when I am not in charge of them and then their teacher came in and started hollerin' at them both so I RAN out of the bathroom because I kind of instigated the water fight.

THE END!

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Here is a provision of the Chicago Day Labor Services Ordinance that is pretty upsetting when you consider that the problem was big enough that they had to pass a law to fix it:

(b) The temperature in the area of the day labor agency where day laborers await referral or transportation to a contract employer shall not differ from the temperature of the area reserved for the agency's manager or other non-day labor employees, by more than three degrees fahrenheit.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

(a) A day labor agency must provide toilet facilities within its place of business to accommodate the needs of day laborers using the agency. The day labor agency may not charge a day laborer for the use of toilet facilities.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

How do you edit your sig in outlook? I can't find it.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's under Tools > Options?

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 16:57 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, it totally is, thx. I was looking under Tools > Options while I had an e-mail open, which is a totally different set of options.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

Woah, I just realized that I get Friday afternoon off. How to take advantage?!?

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

today should be a holiday

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

What holiday would you like it to be?

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

Mon Day

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

I do, too, Jordan!

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

Duck fat fries, Jordan.

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:45 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, drive down to Chicago for a late lunch? Innnnteresting.

My friend Cam wants to go see Junior Boys at the Bottle on May 3rd, but I have an early flight to New Orleans the next day.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

April 2: The Feast of the Delightful Pudding

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

Today is one of those days I can't stand any of my coworkers. When they tell stories to everyone at lunch, they usually make a point to look at everyone except for me. I feel like I might as well not even be there.

Also, no one said anything about my beautiful new hair do. F you guys! Not surprising though. They are all jealous, right?

I doubt we'll get any time off. Would be nice though!

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 18:05 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah, I'm going to get you a new job for your wedding present.

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh, I should have registered for that. Thanks, Eric. :-D

Tensions are high here today because one of the Realtors quit without notice.

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

Helmet rules. Thanks, Kenan.

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

Killing hurts. Has to be done.

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

Two posts in one hour. I think it might be time to retire the Chicago thread. ;_;

Seriously guys, DC is beating us. DC!

― n/a, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

Hi.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe we need more posts like this:

ahg dhahdhavdvasdvagsvdgasgv asdasdashdvasas!

-- Mr. Que, Monday, April 2, 2007 2:22 PM (23 seconds ago)

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

maybe chicago is actually doing work today, while DC continues to flag and malinger.

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

LOL I'm JUST KIDDING

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe if we all had government jobs?

That reminds me, did Kevin make it back alive?

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

I think it might be time to retire the Chicago thread. ;_;

The world is a cold enough place without talk like this.

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

I can help post, as I'm in between temp jobs. I feel like I should just go on unemployment until moving day at this point. Anybody follow the Bulls up there? I hope they're still in the playoffs when I arrive.

― stingy, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

There are Bulls fans around, but I can't say I'm one of them. Never could get into basketballing.

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

I'm definitely doing work, since as of last week, I've been supervising a co-worker's work. She's the only non-supervisor in the department who's over the age of 35 (I'm guessing in her 50s), and her work is just sort of sloppy, which is not what you want from a copy editor. Ordinarily, I'd just want to give it a quick glance to make sure the changes she's made are keeping with the project's style, but too often, I'm finding that she hasn't spotted really basic mistakes or inconsistencies in text, and I'm having to read everything over again just to make sure it's OK.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

You're in the big leagues now!

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, How was Zodiac?

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

does anyone play in any kind of soccer league? that's something that I do now that I'd like to keep up, if possible. I'm not an expert player, so I'd want more of an average level of play.

― stingy, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

I don't, but I know some people that do and could maybe put you in touch with them.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

mattttt to thread

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

ok good to know! how's the weather nowadays? warming up?

― stingy, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

does anyone play in any kind of soccer league? that's something that I do now that I'd like to keep up, if possible. I'm not an expert player, so I'd want more of an average level of play.

OMGZORZ d00d! I am only tenuously related to the board, at best, but I'm rabid for the sport.

I play in an indoor league at the moment and once that's done, will get in an outdoor for the summer. I mostly play with guys from work, but I work at such a small company we're always looking for extras for our teams and for fucking around in parks. We mostly play for fun, but we have some ringers on the team and some poor, talentless fucks that are absolutely godawful, so you'd fit in the mix somewhere. In short, yes I play soccer and when you get here, I'll give you my info if you're looking for some games.

Also, I've had pretty good success with just showing up at the lakefront parks and finding pickup games. There's a turf field at the lakeshore on Montrose that is always bustling. People are pretty good about self-regulating teams and everything too -- it's a good time.

Finally, we have a pro soccer team I am very much in love with -- the Chicago Fire. They just so happened to make a very big Mexican superstar signing today.

― mattttt, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

I've been thinking about doing a soccer league around here, if I can find a casual one.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, How was Zodiac?

Very good! You should rent it when it comes out.

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, who is matttttttttttttt?

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

He's that dude that lives with me.

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

Right.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

Oh good god, CokeMachineGlow continues to get more annoying and pretentious.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

You know, I was just thinking about the Fire the other day. Does Evan Whitfield still play for them? I was manager of the Duke soccer team (that's the reason I'm interested in the Bulls, since they've got Duhon and Deng), and Evan was a senior when I was a freshman. Also, Logan Pause went to my high school when I was there, not sure if he's still on the Fire either. I don't follow MLS that closely, obviously, but I'd like to go to some games.

― stingy, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

Music criticism’s onanism floating turgid through the heavens.

Yeah, I don't need to read any more of this.

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

good god you guys i am soooooo tired. I'm off the coffee today, and I swear I could die. There will be napping later. Oh yes, mark my words.

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Why no coffee?

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

it makes me jittery and dehydrated
of rather, MORE dehydrated
and i don't know when to quit... i have 3, 4 cups a day now
diminishing returns

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe cut back and drink water too? That's how I roll.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

Alternate cups of coffee with 16oz or so of water?

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Me, Jenny, and Kevin are probably the only people on here that actively follow the Bulls. Unless Kevin likes the Celtics or something silly like that.

― Jeff, Monday, 2 April 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

So the commutes, they weren't bad today, at all. In fact they were rather swift. However that could be because I travel at off-peak times. At the Grand red line station there were 2 security guards who were brought on to keep order today. They were talking about how it was special duty, and that things would be really bad between 4:30 and 8 or 9 PM.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

I had a dream about Michael Jordan last night. I was on the Red Line in Rogers Park, and I looked over and Michael Jordan was sitting with a group of white 10-year-old boys, just joking around with them. No one was mobbing him, but a few riders said "Hey MJ" or whatever. Anyway, it was all well and good until he cracked some joke that I can't remember now but was clearly homophobic. And he turned to me and was all, "You know what I'm talkin' about, man," with this cigar-chomping kind of camaraderie, and I shot him a disdainful look and said, "I don't think that's very funny."

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

HA!

― KitCat, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Good news! I got my iPod finally. It only took my calling last night to remind them that there was no suite number, and then again this morning.

At 1:30 it still had not arrived, and FedEx normally comes by 1:15, so I was headed out the back door to go to the Kinkos/FedEx to raise some hell with the aid of a guy I know there, and I walked right into the FedEx guy who was LOST.

I said, "I think you're looking for me," and he said, reading the label, "I'm looking for 'C@tch Th|rty-Five??'" as though he just couldn't understand how those words could go together. I told him he had found the carry-out portion/back entrance. He said, "Oh, so they got the name wrong on the package!" (The carry-out area is called "C@tch and C@arry" and it is on Dearborn.) I explained that if he had tried asking at the lobby or going to 35 W Wckr instead of entering on Dearborn and Lake, he might have found the fucker. Jesus.

Whatever, I like my new toy.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

Does Evan Whitfield still play for them?

Sadly no. Logan Pause is still around though and getting more minutes as the seasons wear on. But hey, you got futbol cred. Me and fellow tenuously-related chilxor k@t1e have season tickets to the fire. And cause I've never met a shitty soccer dude (no, really), you're more than welcome to come check out a game with us.

― mattttt, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:12 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, Loganpaws....

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

Ooooh, standing up to MJ! Telling him he's not funny!

Well, Best Buy finally replaced my laptop today instead of fixing the old one. So that's some resolution. Still waiting to see if the 3 years of files from the old one can be saved. But so far so good. 2007 can finally start.

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:28 (nineteen years ago)

this was a boring day on ilx, you guys. You gave me nothing to read.

― kenan, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:48 (nineteen years ago)

Hooray.

Votefortheworst.com encourages you to vote for the worst American Idol contestants.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

http://votefortheworst.com/

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

How about not voting for any of them, and hoping against hope the entire cast is consumed in purifying fire?

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

That'd be a website I could support.

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:56 (nineteen years ago)

The dream made me think of celebrity sightings I have actually had in Chicago. There haven't been that many. I don't think seeing local musicians at music venues should count (even if it's Jeff Tweedy), so I think the only ones I've seen have been Jeffrey Eugenides at the Empty Bottle and Michael Richards at the First Slice Cafe. If you count local newscasters, I saw Ch. 32's Mark Suppelsa at a gas station in Evanston and Ch. 9's Robert Jordan at the Target on Howard.

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

I appreciate that you guys at VFTW.com dont think you can be sued for this, but the fact is that is just not true. The lawyer that spoke on the O'reily Factor was absolutely correct in saying that this is an actionable offense. I'm sure you'll find out soon enough when you get served with a lawsuit from Sidney Austin LLP that what you're doing is blatently tortious interference. Tortious interference, in the common law of tort, occurs when a person intentionally damages the plaintiff's contractual or other business relationships. This tort is broadly divided into two categories, one specific to contractual relationships (irrespective of whether they involve business), and the other specific to business relationships or activities (irrespective of whether they involve a contract). Tortious interference with business relationships occurs where the tortfeasor acts to prevent the plaintiff from successfully establishing or maintaining business relationships. If you guys still think that a lawsuit is unsubstantiated, you're completely out of your mind. You should go ahead and get your lawyer ready for the fight of a lifetime, because I'm sure you're well aware that FOX is not going to let you destroy what is by far their best rated show. I'm all for free speech, but it is true that free speech has its limitations, and interfering with a profitable business is not protected under the first amendment. Enjoy the lawsuit and the costs associated with that -- I'm looking forward to watching this site get a temporary injunction enforced against it -- if nothing more than for a week until Sanjaya is gone.
Apparently, well written comments do not make it on to your message board, therefore, im not expecting to see this on the site, but go ahead and surprise me. Enjoy your time in the limelight.
-Scott

From the VFTW site. One of our local Chilxors work at a certain firm mentioned in this quote.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

Tortious interference with business relationships occurs where the tortfeasor acts to prevent the plaintiff from successfully establishing or maintaining business relationships.

I don't think it can be successfully argued that this is what VFTW does. It's not looking to end the show; in fact, it wants to make the show more interesting. I'm not up on my torts law, but I also want to know what the "business relationship" in question is. A relationship between FOX and ... whom exactly?

― jaymc, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:15 (nineteen years ago)

I'm listening to my team lead fight/cry with her mom on the phone. :/

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:28 (nineteen years ago)

Plus, this quote from their message board makes a point that seems valid

If the Producers don't want people like Sanjaya or other "Worst" Contestants in the competition they shouldn't put them on the stage in the first place. Once they are put through to the voting rounds there is no reason for America to not vote for them. No matter how bad they are.

Apparently Howard Stern is pimping VFTW and it was a topic on O'Reilly factor. O'R had a guest who was a lawyer who called it "UnAmerican" and said that it was actionable. There was talk of a class-action suit by those voted off.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:30 (nineteen years ago)

From the story I read in Saturday's NY Times, Stern promoting it a lot as a way to show his influence.

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:33 (nineteen years ago)

Happy Pesach, Jordan. :/

― Laurel, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

I am no expert on contract law, but I would be hard pressed to see where VFTW.com is tortiously interferring with any business relationship.

They are all jealous, right?

Of the rock star receptionist who is smart, friendly, young, beautiful, tall, slender, has great hair, and is about to wed the love of her life? Yes. I would wager that many of those women are insanely jelous of you. Which is really too bad because you are a very nice person to know.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

That poster copied and pasted the Wikipedia entry on tortious interference, too, so that ought to tell you something right there.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:49 (nineteen years ago)

Also attorney who goes on O'RF and uses "unamerican" as a legal argument automatically loses. At life.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Any attorney, but you know what I mean.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Happy Pesach, Jordan. :/

Thanks. I will report back tomorrow as to whether or not I've traded in my rock star life for a hat & curls.

― Jordan, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

I added to the comments on the hate mail post on VFTW the fact that the mail was from Wikipedia.

Another person comments

So FOX may sue VFTW, a site that ensures that every visitor watches AI every week, for tortoise interference. The only other time I heard this law cited was when the hare lost the race and unsuccessfully attempted his lawsuit.

I think that VFTW deserves its own ILX thread (I checked for one) but I'm not going to start it.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:02 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe put it in the American Idol thread.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

It's there, but I think it deserves its very own.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:08 (nineteen years ago)

Dog meat

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:14 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of having its own thread...

― dan m, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

Jen: it's good to fire first, test for dog meat later

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

Rule of thumb in Asian countries.

― Jesse, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:20 (nineteen years ago)

me: i don't think VFTW deserves it's own thread
it's not that interesting.
sorry.
just my opinion
as a lawyer
a lawyer specializing what is interesting for message board discusison.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

I think Jeff said it already, but I are a big Bulls fan.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:38 (nineteen years ago)

dude, can I be a lawyer specializing in what is interesting for message board discussion?

― horseshoe, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:40 (nineteen years ago)

Yes. Once I am a lawyer, I can make other lawyers but letting mortals drink my blood.

― Jenny, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:41 (nineteen years ago)

awesome! Jenny is my sire!

― horseshoe, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

A J.D. would be a resume-booster for a Senior Board Monitor position.

― Eazy, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:44 (nineteen years ago)

I signed in to post but then I realized that I have nothing to say.

Nothing except this:

Saturday: 4 hours of High School II, which felt a little too much like being at work, but was good. Would have been better if I didn't work in a school and teach 6 days a week.

Tonight: 3 hours of Ballet. Not sure how I feel about it. Hoping it's good.

Hail Wiseman.

― La Lechera, Monday, 2 April 2007 23:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.derekerdman.com/1/salt_phair.jpg

― A Derek Erdman, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 02:50 (nineteen years ago)

Interesting. Tell us more.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 02:52 (nineteen years ago)

I want to move by October.

A co-worker has an apartment at Belmont and Clark near the Duncan Donuts and The Alley. It is a decent apartment with 2 bedrooms, and she pays $900 a month, including heat. That is amazing. I hope I can be so lucky.

And then there's my other co-worker who lives at Cornelia, 1 block West of Addison who pays $600 for a 2 bedroom. The catch is that it's a garden apt with a door that opens directly onto the street, but still! That's less than I pay.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 03:06 (nineteen years ago)

lol at gentrification. nice work, derek. (x-post)

― robotsinlove, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 06:36 (nineteen years ago)

computer troubles:

cat spilled water into powerbook. Still works, except for the screen, the only part that didn't get wet. Still fairly useless like that. Ok, whatevs, life moves on.

Vista won't let me access ILX from home. Can't be any GOOD reason for this, but it won't. Over-security. That's the main thing I was using the Powerbook for -- talking to you guys.

Vista is also fucking up the sound on my computer for reasons unknown, and I checked everything else... nope, it's not my stereo, it's not my speakers, it's not my sound card, it's not XP... it's just Vista. So I wiped a drive tonight and installed Linux again. Sounds great! But...

Questions, maybe for Dan Martin and friends:

1) What program should I use in Linux to manage music and sync my iPod?
2) What program should I use for torrents?
3) How do I install all this shit? Command lines still scare me, I must feebly admit.

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 07:07 (nineteen years ago)

also help with video and pictures would be great. I can edit things in gimp ok, well enough anyway, but I can't find a program to scroll through pics easily, or one to do what realplayer does, which is almost everything including playing dvds.

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 07:11 (nineteen years ago)

here's an example of linux install instructions:

Banshee on Ubuntu Dapper 6.06 LTS

Currently, to run Banshee under Ubuntu Dapper (http://ubuntulinux.org/), it can be installed from APT.

The version in the Dapper repository is outdated (0.10.10). There are some unofficial backports availible.

A Dapper repository of many thing mono including banshee and dependencies are available by adding this line to /etc/apt/sources.list:

deb http://apebox.org/badgerexplosion ./

The above repository will upgrade about anything related to mono that ships with Ubuntu. This also will expect you to ignore that these packages are not authenticated. Use your own head to make this decision please. :-)

You will need to run sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade when finished to add the upgraded versions of the software.

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 07:22 (nineteen years ago)

Use your own head to make this decision please. :-)

My own head didn't even understand the first line of those instructions. APT?

HELP!

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 07:24 (nineteen years ago)

hey kenan, i hope my post on the aa thread didn't offend you (if you've even read it) i was being cheerful but it could be misconstrued, if so, sorry.

― estela, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 07:44 (nineteen years ago)

Hey guys. We had an interesting and fun grocery shopping experience last night. We went to Grand Mart, which is in an old Cub (they only took the word "Cub" off the front but left the rest of the sign) at North and Cicero (kind of a weird area, not really sure what neighborhood this is). It's huge and cheap, basically like a regular Jewel or whatever + a full Hispanic foods store + a full Asian market, in addition to carrying a bunch of other ethnic foods (mainly Polish and Indian). We didn't buy anything too crazy this time, we need to do some research on different recipes before we go back so we know what to buy.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 12:30 (nineteen years ago)

hi estela. I hadn't seen that post at all, actually, but hey, good to know you know where to find me. :)

ps - you're funny.

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

Good morning Chicago, looking a little nasty out here in the north suburbs.

Anyone going to see D33rhunt3r at the Bottle tomorrow night?

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:04 (nineteen years ago)

Good morning, Jon. Also Kenan and estela, who is indeed funny.

You know, regardless of my personal feelings about AA (which are mostly neutral, actually, since I might need it one day and don't want to foreclose on the possibility) a dear friend of mine who was on track to die, and I mean literally actually expire, from alcoholism, found AA and got sober and despite my fears that he'd be kind of an asshole if he wasn't drunk, actually turned out to be one of the nicest and most pleasant and most fun human beings I've ever known. It turns out that he was a complete asshole when he was drunk (I had the honor of being around him when he hit his "bottom" and frankly my money was big time on the "tragic alcohol-related death" outcome). So I will always love AA because my friend is alive and great.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:18 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't want to put that in the AA thread because that seems to be about something else now.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

I really really want to go see Deerhunter. However, if history is any indication, I will wuss out due to being "too tired" or some bullshit. I will say there is a 20 percent chance I will actually make it.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think "too tired" is bullshit coming from the guy who gets up at 4 AM every day.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:23 (nineteen years ago)

I understand that Nick. Work is killing me this week and a 10:00 show seems like it might be a bit too much for me, but I've been excited to see them.

AA worked really well for a very close relative of mine, so its hard for me to say anything too bad about it either.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

I get up at 5 a.m.

It'll probably depend on when I have my review with my boss. If it's tomorrow, I might be able to go to the show and work from home on Thursday. However, if I have to meet with him on Thursday I probably shouldn't go to the show on Wednesday night.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

Five a.m., four a.m. What's the difference? Anything before 8 is all a blur of horrible too earliness.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

I have to get up at six on Tuesday and Wednesdays and it's making me miserable. But I only have to do it for another week! So fuck the haterz.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Questions, maybe for Dan Martin and friends:

1) What program should I use in Linux to manage music and sync my iPod?
2) What program should I use for torrents?
3) How do I install all this shit? Command lines still scare me, I must feebly admit.

1. I don't know. Everyone* I've known that used Linux + iPod did everything from the command line. Very strict IDL tagging is necessary for this to work "easily".
2. The one I've used is called TorrentFlux.
3. I don't know. Read the instructions and don't freak out? Ubuntu is supposed to be "Linux for Grandmas" so it can't really be that hard. You will have to install a lot of updates. Google and Wikipedia are your friends (for example, APT = Advanced Packaging Tool, which among other things installs software... second result).

Perhaps m@tttt will respond, he knows more than I do. My question is: why don't you ditch shitty shitty Vista and just run XP, something that (for all its faults) will work well?

*this amounts to exactly one person

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny, thanks for the sweet words. :-D

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/234/444783926_60400bc79b.jpg?v=0

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

Also, Derek, if you're still around, that's great!

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

I mean every one of them! Especially if you give me pie.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

Actually blackberry apricot cobbler, but ok.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:44 (nineteen years ago)

did you make that, Sarah? it looks delicious!

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:45 (nineteen years ago)

Cobbler is possibly even better.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

Yes! And yes, it is!

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:56 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, Sarah! Nice job! Is that a biscuit crust or a pie crust crust?

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

Estela??

I know only one other person who spells her name this way, and I call her "Mom." Is the mother-unit on ILX?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

It's a biscuit crust. I used whole wheat flour.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

Questions, maybe for Dan Martin and friends:

1) What program should I use in Linux to manage music and sync my iPod?
2) What program should I use for torrents?
3) How do I install all this shit? Command lines still scare me, I must feebly admit.

Linux and the iPod doesn't really have a single awesome unifying program a la iTunes. Instead you get this thing called "gtkpod". There's a great writeup on it, Ubuntu, and them putting differences aside and working together at:
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/9266

TorrentFlux (dan's suggestion) is actually a web page toolkit that provides a web frontend to a torrent backend -- probably not at all what you want. Instead, I'd recommend Azureus. If you've used it for Windows, you know what to expect -- it's really good.

And for installing apps, don't be scared of apt-get. That little program alone is worth the price of admission into Ubuntu (and this sentence also serves as your entry into lame Linux jokes). To install almost any program, you'll run:
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt-get whatever_program (for instance gtkpod)

sudo means "do as a super user", and a super user is like the king shit of fuck mountain on the computer -- the one user that has privileges to do everything.

For right now, if you have to do more than apt-get to install something, you might want to steer clear until you become more acclimated to the deep, deep world of high geekery.

If you install a program and don't know where it went use:
"sudo find / -iname whatever_youre_looking_for"

That's all I got for now.

― mattttt, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

See I told you he knows more about it than I do.

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

So those of you that saw the Grindhouse preview, how's the soundtrack? I really loved the Kill Bill ones and the Death Proof one looks pretty interesting, worth a listen?

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

YES.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

I took a really long walk/run last night between my home, the lake, and Broadway, much of which was spent zig-zagging the side streets looking at apartments. There are some beautiful buildings around that area.

Anyway, I have questions:

what is a "convertible" studio?

what is a "4+1"?

Sarah, can you help?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:31 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, matttttttttttttttttttttttt.

That's definitely a start. I do feel shame about being so skittish of the command line. I've used it on OSX before, lotsa times, but only per very specific instructions, never knowing what I was typing. I feel like with Linux I'll need to get a *feel* for it, because installing apps and half of everything else I will do is impossible without it.

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

I can send the link for the 1llegal d0wnload if you want. Hopefully it's still working. I don't know yr email though.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

that was to jon.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

Also, when you're considering renting an apartment for http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/apa/304664400.html $8000 a month, does it really matter if utilities are included?

(huh. can't post this if i try to make that text into a link)

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:32 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost And yet, I get the feeling I am not going to regret going through this little learning curve. :)

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Another question:

Why are people using Sendspace these days, and not YouSendIt?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:34 (nineteen years ago)

Because YSI requires registration now.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

Not that big a deal though.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks Nick, its jon830 (at) yah00 (dot) com. I'd appreciate that.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

re:torrents

I want uTorrent, only on Linux.

xposts Also, sendspace has a 300MB limit, where ysi has a 100MB limit.

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

A convertible studio is one that could easily be turned into a 1 bedroom with the addition of a subdividing wall or piece of furniture or curtain or what-not. It probably means the studio is oddly shaped so that one area could easily be used as a separated sleeping space.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

More questions!!

-It seems to me that on my iPod Mini, when it was connected to the computer, I could go to iTunes, select "iPod" and play the music from there. With this new one, when I connect it and go to the "Music" tab I get a screen that shows how full it is, etc.

Is there not some way to see what files I have on the iPod through iTunes these days?

-Where do Podcasts live when they're downloaded?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

I'm doing this from memory, but on the left-hand side of iTunes, where you see the icon for your iPod, there should be a little subfile you can click on to see the files on your iPod.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

I thought so! But there's not such a little subfile.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

Where do bad folks go when they die? They don't go to heaven where the angels fly

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, jesse, there's a little arrow you can click on to expand the iPod contents. Also, in the main window, if you click "manually manage music" then "apply" you can play thing directly off the iPod.

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

OK, now for that 4+1 question.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

One would think.

My guess would be that it's a means of getting around saying "5 floor walk-up."

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe it means there are 4 somewhat regularly sized rooms and one tiny room which might be considered just a closet or could potentially be used for something else?

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

WHOA. Tornado alarms?? I hope this is a drill.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

4 + 1's huh.

I actually just ran into this term reading Studs Terkel's "Working". It's a 4 story building built on top of a garage (the + 1). According to his book (published in '72), they were huge in the late 60s real estate boom and a ton of them popped up all over the city. Apparently they're a nightmare to maintain because the bottom garage floor is built cheaply and is open to the elements -- making the buildings fall apart in a relatively short amount of time.

According to the maintenance man chapter, steer the fuck away from those. On a related note, since I've read this book I've been actively looking for one of these things. Where is it?

-- helping ILX since 9:15

― mattttt, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm back. Driving back to Madison through hail at 1 am sucked, then I got to work late and I think I have a meat hangover. But otherwise it wasn't all that bad, I guess.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Where did you go?

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

Milwaukee, for P4ss0v3r

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Estela??

I know only one other person who spells her name this way, and I call her "Mom." Is the mother-unit on ILX?

Is your mom Australian?

Instead, I'd recommend Azureus. If you've used it for Windows, you know what to expect -- it's really good.

This is the only torrenting program I've ever downloaded, about two years ago. I tried torrenting a TV show, and it played the audio but not the video. I have a Mac, though, maybe that's the problem.

yeah, jesse, there's a little arrow you can click on to expand the iPod contents. Also, in the main window, if you click "manually manage music" then "apply" you can play thing directly off the iPod.

Wow, I have always wondered about both of these things, thanks!
I have always wondered about this, thanks.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

lol

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:17 (nineteen years ago)

Why does Pfork always trash my friends' bands? :(

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

At least they're getting reviewed.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

Your friends are on Frenchkiss though? That's pretty awesome.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc otm

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:25 (nineteen years ago)

How was Passover? Why are we googleproofing a major holiday?

My mom is not Australian, as you well know, you fucking bigot. If you spelled it "Estella" in Spanish, it would be pronounced "Estayja" (or "Estaya" depending on who's speaking the Spanish).

I clicked the little arrow and now it's all good in my fucking neighborhood.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

G00d Fr1d4y

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

xxxxpost jaymc otm

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

but nick said it first :(

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Your friends are on Frenchkiss though?

Is that a pretty well-known label?

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

Passover was fine, the people were nice and the food was very good, but the endless ritual and obsession with detail (ie people arguing at whether you're supposed to eat THIS much matzoh or THIS much at this particular minute, no one knows but it is VERY IMPORTANT) grates on me. I left around midnight and it was still going, but those dudes don't have to work today.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Among the Pfork set, yup.

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know if it's "well-known," but its run by the bass player from Les Savy Fav and they have put out some pretty awesome stuff.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

LFTR PLLR

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Also the daughter was pretty hot, but Jewish girls don't put out/date/shake hands, so you know, whatever.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, that would be why CML is touring with Les Savy F4v.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

My mom is not Australian, as you well know, you fucking bigot.

I know. The Estela on ILX is Australian.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:35 (nineteen years ago)

but Jewish girls don't put out

begging --- PLEADING --- to differ.

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc otm

Good. I was afraid I sounded bitter.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

begging -- PLEADING -- wanting -- NEEDING -- for you -- TO JUSTIFY MY LOVE

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Orthodox Jewish

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

julia is jewish!

no, not really, but at least two of my friends has taken a look at he and assumed so. I have to explain: "No, no... she's not a jew. She's an eastern european gypsy. I can see how you'd make that mistake."

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

semitic good looks kill thread

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

[George smashes a bottle after Martha calls him a flop.]
Martha: I hope that was an empty bottle, George! You can't afford to waste good liquor. Not on your salary, not on an associate professor's salary!

I'm excited for Who's Afraid of VA Woolf tonight!

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

Martha: Fix me another drink… lover.
George: My God, you can swill it down, can't you?
Martha: Well, I'm firstyyy.
George: Oh, Jesus.
Martha: Look, sweetheart, I can drink you under any goddamn table you want, so don't worry about me.
George: I gave you the prize years ago, Martha. There isn't an abomination award going that you haven't won.
Martha: I swear, if you existed, I'd divorce you.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

[George is talking to Nick about weight and fitness.]
George: Martha is 108… years old. She weighs somewhat more than that.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Snipey!

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:02 (nineteen years ago)

I've never seen or read the play, so I'm doubly excited. I don't know the good lines already.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

SOUNDS LIKE MY PROM NITE

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

the Court did a production of Virginia Woolf a few years ago. It was great + also a huge bummer.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

where's Kevin, speaking of prom nites?

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

One time in college I brought my Jewish boyfriend home for some sort of (gentile) family dinner and my (step)grandmother told us all about how she was born in Philadelphia but her father moved the family to Kansas because there were too many Jews in Philly.

And then I went to a Sukkot (party? celebration?) thing with him and we got high as kites before I met all his family and ate sweets in a hut and his grandmother's little half bathroom was wallpapered, walls and ceiling, with this shiny gold wallpaper and I swear it took me like 15 minutes to find my way out of a room the size of a coat closet.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

I've never seen or read the play, so I'm doubly excited. I don't know the good lines already.

-- Eazy, Tuesday, April 3, 2007 11:03 AM (13 seconds ago)

WAHHHH??? I'm shocked!

I thought you were just going to dinner, I didn't realize that you'd be at the play as well!

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, why would he be going to dinner if he wasn't going to the play? Isn't that why you invited him to dinner -- because he was going to the play?

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Martha: Fix the kids a drink, George. What would you like to drink, kid– kid.
Nick: Honey? what would you like?
Honey: Ohhhh, I don't know, dear, a little brandy maybe. "Never mix, never worry!"
George: Brandy? Just brandy? Simple, simple…
[George turns to Nick.]
George: What about you, em… em… em…
Nick: Bourbon on the rocks, if you don't mind.
George: Mind? I don't mind. I don't think I mind. Martha? Rubbing alcohol for you?
Martha: Sure! "Never mix, never worry!"

OK, I'm done with that.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

I thought he was going to be at the IV anyway, so we just decided to all have dinner together.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, yeah, I had plans to go to the play already, so dinner on top of it works great. I'm getting tickets through Hot Tix -- so that's the only variable still out there.

A few years ago I finally saw the other classic American having-it-all-out-over-the-a-few-hours play, Long Day's Journey Into Night, and loved it. I think I've seen all the other major-major 20th cent. American plays...

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

lol, Jenny

I think I read Who's Afraid etc. once, but I don't remember anything about it. I know I read the Zoo Story and thought it was pretty damn funny.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

people haven't seen the movie? the movie is great.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

I'm very excited. I love the play, Albee, and Kathleen Turner.

Eric, after you see the play, definitely watch the movie. Liz Taylor and Mr. Burton are great, as is the actress who plays Honey, as well as George Segal.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:15 (nineteen years ago)

oh my god, that's George Segal??? how did I never realize that before?

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

The only Albee I've encountered in any medium is The American Dream, performed at a small theater in Kalamazoo.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

seriously I always loved Elizabeth Taylor but mostly just 'cause she's so goddamn pretty; I never thought of her as much of an actor. but she's awesome in that movie.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:17 (nineteen years ago)

Btw, thank for the link Nick. Says its busy right now, but I'll keep trying.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:18 (nineteen years ago)

She is awesome in that movie, and she is beeeeeyoooootiful.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

The interviews and commentary on the DVD are great, as I recall, but I don't recall why, or what was said. There was drinking on the set.

I've told you before, but I'll repeat it--one night when I was depressed and angry I ate some 'shrooms alone and started watching this movie and I nearly lost my mind.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, seeing it live is super-intense. it's harder to appreciate the cleverness of the dialogue because it hurts more when you can't get away from it. but I'm totally jealous of y'all; I'm sure it'll be amazing.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

For years and years during college, Richard Burton classy-drunk was what I aspired to be at every party situation. Instead I ended up somewhere closer to whoever it is that throws up on themselves in the corner while burning their arms with cigarettes. Classy!

― mattttt, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

More Bukowski than Burton, eh?

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure I saw you throw up, but I never knew of you were a burner.

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

He only burns to see if he can still feel.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

"never knew of you were" -- what am I, drunk?

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

I swear, if you existed, I'd divorce you.

just genius.

SOUNDS LIKE MY PROM NITE

your prom nite was wise beyond its years

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

I'm pretty sure I saw you throw up, but I never knew of you were a burner.

Amazing, considering I'm not a smoker.

And I know I'm alone on this one, but fuck Bukowski. Put a backwards Cub hat and a sweatshirt with 3 greek letters on him and suddenly the counter-culture hero turns into another shithead. Please, dear god, someone explain the appeal. I don't feel like wading through 50 fucking books of drunken misogyny to try and find the core of why, oh god why, he's so fucking popular.

― mattttt, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

Dan's drunk to see if he can still feel.

xp - I am not a fan of Bukowski either.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

Matt, I guarantee you're not alone on Bukowski! so much hate.

xpost ha, I cannot think of a single woman I know who digs Bukowski

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

I wouldn't really consider Bukowski a genius or anything, nor would I ever want to read much more than the four books of his I've already read, but I think it's a little unfair to dismiss him that completely. Yeah, he's a complete asshole, but there's something really interesting to delve into the mind of this type of character. It's difficult for me to put it into words, but I see a lot of value in his work. In small doses anyway.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

Put a backwards Cub hat and a sweatshirt with 3 greek letters on him and suddenly the counter-culture hero turns into another shithead.

OTMFM

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:41 (nineteen years ago)

Woke up this morning and it seemed to me,
that every night turns out to be
A little more like Bukowski.
And yeah, I know he's a pretty good read.
But God who'd wanna be?
God who'd wanna be such an asshole?

― kenan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

I just don't think every compelling author or character has to be likeable.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:42 (nineteen years ago)

Never romanticized him or was a big fan, but I've liked some of his poems in exactly the same reasons I've liked reading stranger's personal blogs. He has a poem about getting up in the morning, then a poem about driving to the racetrack, then a poem about betting at the racetrack, then a poem about going home and drinking.

Or this one:

comments upon my last book of poesy
by Charles Bukowski

you're better than ever.
you've sold out.
you suck.
my mother hates you.
you're rich.
you're the best writer in the English language.
can I come see you?
I write just like you do, only better.
why do you drive a BMW?
why don't you give more readings?
can you still get it up?
do you know Allen Ginsberg?
what do you think of Henry Miller?
will you write a foreword to my next book?
I enclose a photograph of Céline.
I enclose my grandfather's pocket watch.
the enclosed jacket was knitted by my wife in Bavarian style.
have you been drunk with Mickey Rourke?
I am a young girl 19 years old and I will come and clean your house.
you are a stinking bastard to tell people that Shakespeare is not readable.
what do you think of Norman Mailer?
why do you steal from Hemingway?
why do you knock Tolstoy?
I'm doing hard time and when I get out I'm coming to see you.
I think you suck ass.
you've saved my god-damned life.
why do you hate women?
I love you.
I read your poems at parties.
did all those things really happen to you?
why do you drink?
I saw you at the racetrack but I didn't bother you.
I'd like to renew our relationship.
do you really stay up all night?
I can out-drink you.
you stole it from Sherwood Anderson.
did you ever meet Ezra?
I am alone and I think of you every night.
who the hell do you think you're fooling?
my tits aren't much but I've got great legs.
fuck you, man.
my wife hates you.
will you please read the enclosed poems and comment?
I am going to publish all those letters you wrote me.
you jack-off motherfuck, you're not fooling anybody.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:44 (nineteen years ago)

I like Bukowski OK, but a little goes a long way.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

To me it seems like, OK, he fits a niche that would otherwise be missing in the big picture of literature, but it's not a niche that I would like to spend much time with.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

I will agree with Jesse, here.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

I feel the same way about "Howl" and all of the the rest of Ginsberg and the fucking Beats--they are important historically, but not something I want to read. The difference is that I hate the Beats, and their forefather, Whitman, I am ambivalent toward Bukowski.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

I was about to say, for first-thought-best-thought poets, I'd rather read the guy who is trying to be straightforward and funny than Ginsberg.

James Schuyler and David Lehman (with his poem-a-day diary) have poems that feel completely dashed off but profound too - I like them more.

But guys like Bukowski and Carver can reach folks who get distracted/intimidated by literary "establishments", stylistic and otherwise.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 16:58 (nineteen years ago)

Why don't you like the Beats? I'll admit, I haven't read them since high school, but I got a lot out of Ann Charters' The Portable Beat Reader during the summer of 1994, especially as I was starting to write poetry myself. The injunction to "just write, man" was kind of appealing in the face of so much sedate, polished academic-sounding poetry. And Whitman is great for this, too, since his verse just overflows with humanity.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

(with his poem-a-day diary)

Tell me more. I just started to write a poem a day beginning on my 28th birthday. I have already skipped a couple of days, but I make up for them the following day.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:02 (nineteen years ago)

David Lehman wrote a poem a day for a few years around 1999-2001, collected in The Daily Mirror and The Evening Sun. Powell's on Lincoln has them remaindered for about $6.

Have you read Frank O'Hara's lunch-hour poems, J.? I think you'd like 'em.

When I was trying to find that Bukowski poem, I came across one of Lehman's:

November 21
by David Lehman

Being an evil man
I'll burn you like a candle
and I'll burn you on both ends
that's my blues for the day, and
forget tomorrow
as Frank wrote, the past is a
future that came through
that's my haiku
of the day and here's to you
Charles Bukowski
the comment on your last book
of poetry you liked best was
"you jack-off motherfuck,
you're not fooling anybody,"
my motto of the day

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

I am not sure why I hate Ginsberg so much, but I think it's because it reminds me of stoners in college who think that the jibbering bum on the street is telling us some Great Truth if only we'd just stop and listen. He just goes on, and on, and on, spewing and never editing. "That's not writing, that's typing!!"

I don't find Burroughs very readable, and he has some word salads, but I don't get the same impression of his work. Maybe because he earned the right to go on by having ruined his body or something. Not ready to analyze that just yet.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

I don't read much poetry, but after discovering Sharon Olds in college, I decided that she was my favorite contemporary poet. Sometimes she seems trite, but that's perhaps a result of writing in a confessional mode, which I prefer to the dry abstractions I find in a lot of poetry. A lot of what I like about her, though, is her rhythm. Again, too much poetry I read is structured like a series of koans to meditate on, whereas she just lets things spill out, and I'm able to feel it more.

For instance:

"I Go Back to May 1937"

I see them standing at the formal gates of their colleges,
I see my father strolling out
under the ochre sandstone arch, the
red tiles glinting like bent
plates of blood behind his head, I
see my mother with a few light books at her hip
standing at the pillar made of tiny bricks,
the wrought-iron gate still open behind her, its
sword-tips aglow in the May air,
they are about to graduate, they are about to get married,
they are kids, they are dumb, all they know is they are
innocent, they would never hurt anybody.
I want to go up to them and say Stop,
don’t do it -— she’s the wrong woman,
he’s the wrong man, you are going to do things
you cannot imagine you would ever do,
you are going to do bad things to children,
you are going to suffer in ways you have not heard of,
you are going to want to die. I want to go
up to them there in the late May sunlight and say it,
her hungry pretty face turning to me,
her pitiful beautiful untouched body,
his arrogant handsome face turning to me,
his pitiful beautiful untouched body,
but I don’t do it. I want to live. I
take them up like the male and female
paper dolls and bang them together
at the hips, like chips of flint, as if to
strike sparks from them, I say
Do what you are going to do, and I will tell about it.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:14 (nineteen years ago)

It's all writing and--it seems like--an aversion to editing. If you have done any writing, you know that a huge part of it is just typing. You vomit out a lot of shit and sort through it to find the good stuff. For me, that's the whole appeal of reading good writing, and when I've written, of writing something good: the craft of sorting through shit (or vomit, whatever) to find the kernels of goodness. (Sorry that kind of turned into a corn/poop analogy.)

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

Have you read Frank O'Hara's lunch-hour poems, J.? I think you'd like 'em.

Nope, though I have liked what little I have read of O'Hara. I like poets that aren't afraid to use brand names and street names.

I wrote a poem yesterday that could have gone on for longer, but I reached the end of the page and so it seemed like a good place to stop. Somewhat abrupt, maybe, but satisfying in a different way.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

I think Sharon Olds' poetry is pretty "cooked" (I still think that's a weird term), but it is on the surface very straightforward. I like her and Robert Frost for this reason--you can apprehend something good in it on first reading, without torturing your brain, but it stands the test of multiple re-readings. You can savor it.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

If you have done any writing, you know that a huge part of it is just typing. You vomit out a lot of shit and sort through it to find the good stuff.

See, I *wish* I did that sometimes. Most of my writing is slowly writing one sentence at a time and not continuing until I'm happy with that sentence.

So I often need to force myself to do the vomiting-out style, and then sometimes when I do that, there's something about the spontaneity of it that I want to preserve, to treasure the accidents or awkwardness.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

John every time you talk about writing I am so totally simpatico. I wish I could vomit out more, too.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

I never thought I'd write that!

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

(also, I am really enjoying midday poetry chat, guys!)

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:22 (nineteen years ago)

oh hi chicago i showed up to share my love of who's afraid of virginia woolf but i kinda like a little bukowski and loved post office when last i reread it so i should probably go...

ps ginsberg wasn't anything too special but "kaddish" might be my favorite work of any of the beats

pps ok maybe it's "last words of dutch schulz"

― ghost rider, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

that button will be the death of me

― ghost rider, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:24 (nineteen years ago)

It (the button) wouldn't work for me this morning!

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

actually this thread is making me feel like I should give Bukowski another chance. goddamn you people.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

(xpost for nothing more complex than italics)

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

(I like Ginsberg + he's the only Beat I really have much use for. Jesse, y u braek heart re: hating Whitman?)

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:27 (nineteen years ago)

yeah button kept fucking up my links but that post above was just an example of my forgetting to hit the damn thing after i checked my post to make sure it made at least a little bit of sense

horseshoe, as i think others said, check out bukowski's poetry if you hate the novels/prose (which i totally understand fwiw)

― ghost rider, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

xpost

Vomit-writing fiction or personal essays got hard for me at some point. I have tried again, but I'm too careful now, or something. However, it's still the only way I can write term papers, but it's not as free-feeling.

What I do--and I've often wondered if anyone else uses this technique--is to write very oversimplified statements and then build from there. "Walker Percy is just like Albert Camus, only in the American South." "George and Martha are Willy and Linda Loman." Then I write really naive-sounding stuff in the same way for pages, then go back use research to support and expand on the true-sounding things that come out in the vomiting stage.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:31 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, Jesse, that actually sounds a lot like how I ever manage to write anything these days. part of what trips me up writing papers is how awkward it is to insert citations, evidence, anything that might substantiate argument. also, I sometimes try to write like I talk, which keeps things a) going faster and b) more stylish, I think.

doing that simple, unsubstantiated sentence thing is useful, too, because it gets you closer to saying something controversial, i.e. something someone might actually enjoy reading.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

However, it's still the only way I can write term papers

See, this is nuts to me. I can't imagine writing term papers that way at all. There'd be so much stuff on the page that was sloppy or just plain didn't work that it would freak me out, especially because I know that some of it I would actually want to keep, against my better judgment. I'd spend too long trying to make it work anyway, and I'd frustrate myself in the process.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

John, in my newfound grad student stylee of taking, like, 11 years to finish a paper, I sometimes find that what seems sloppy and awful to me when I'm vomiting it out at 1 am actually reads as kind of promising the next morning. It's the only nice thing about my currently glacial writing pace.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

part of what trips me up writing papers is how awkward it is to insert citations, evidence, anything that might substantiate argument

This is totally easy when your pre-writing process consists of assembling quotes you like and think will be useful into several categories, and then crafting an outline from there. When you start to write, all you need to do is introduce your thesis and then make transitions from one quote to the next. (NB: I haven't written an academic paper in seven years, but this is what I did a lot.)

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:39 (nineteen years ago)

I know what John means about wanting to keep the accidents -- definitely with music it's how I feel, usually preferring people's sloppy demos and live performances to polished final versions. But, like Jesse said with the Olds poem, the ideal is the simoultaneously polished and effortless, like the Richard Burton drunk.

Leigh, who's coming to the play tonight, is having a poem a day published this week here.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

That's how I write, too, at least academic stuff. I just... write. It's crap and I know it and it often degenerates into statements like, "Dominance theory is most prevalent in ADD IN SOME CASES WHERE THERE IS DOMINANE THEORY" and then I keep on going. Otherwise, I will just never. write. anything. I also write backwards or inside out, depending on what I already know and what I still need to figure out.

xp to address the sloppiness: Well, yeah, of course it's sloppy but you go back and fix it up nice before you turn it in.

Non-academic/professional writing is a different kettle of fish. I actually don't do much of that any more, and when I do, it devolves into, "Today I had leftover soup for lunch" personal journal type stuff, which is okay if I'm thinking about something important to me but really annoying otherwise. I haven't written poetry or fiction in years and that may or may not be sad, depending on your opinion of my poetry/fiction.

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

John, I used to write my papers that way but lately I've felt like it makes my writing awkward and formulaic (I've just done close readings so many times that I habitually use the same turns of phrase over and over and ARGH!) and also thins out my argument. weirdly, the random pontificating sometimes (sometimes!) turns up something interesting.

I don't even remember how I used to go about writing fiction.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:43 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse, y u braek heart re: hating Whitman?

FUCK. I wrote a response that made a lot of sense, and it's gone.

Anway, it went like this:

Whitman annoys me with his listing, listing, listing. It is supposed to convey lushness, fertility, richness, and potential in nature, America, and the poet, but it's oh-soo fabulous gushing, and I hate it.

My favorite book, Museum of Love by Steve Weiner, does a lot of listing too, but the difference is that it is of darker, colder stuff (clock parts, figurines in dioramas, contents of an abattoir); it is more like the excesses found in an ossuary than in a verdant garden.

Whitman comes across as simple, skipping through a field of flowers, watching the young men bathing naked. It's scenes I picture shot through layers of gauze.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

Well, yeah, of course it's sloppy but you go back and fix it up nice before you turn it in.

Like I said, I don't know always know how to do this. I get too attached to words that are already on the page, so I prefer to wrestle with things in my head or in an outline before committing to that step. Part of this is probably because I think too much about syntax and precise word choice, and I don't want to face a situation where I have to delete something that I like because it's written in a pleasing way.

John, I used to write my papers that way but lately I've felt like it makes my writing awkward and formulaic

The problem for me is that it often made things just seem too dense.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:47 (nineteen years ago)

listing is basically the same thing as writing poetry!!! we shall have to disagree on this but Whitman wrote a ton of war poetry, you know, it wasn't all watching the young men bathing naked (not that there's anything wrong with that, btw); sometimes it was burying the dead young men!

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:48 (nineteen years ago)

I take Whitman in the context of other 19th century poetry, in that he included all the stuff that was missing. And, like Bukowski, it's the lack of metaphor and symbol -- the tangibility of what he's writing about -- that makes it both less complex and more satisfying than a poem about the heart.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

This reminds me of a couple of conversations I've had with Eric, where I've moaned that I wish I could translate my chattiness on ILX to my writing elsewhere. But I can't, because a) ILX obviates my need to write about random, personal thoughts elsewhere, and b) the ephemeral, conversational aspect of ILX creates a space where I don't worry about things as much. The fact that this isn't presented as JOHN'S WRITING, as a term paper or even a blog is, makes it okay to dash things off.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:55 (nineteen years ago)

I like poems that are either a) straight-forward but with rich use of language, or b) abstract but mean absolutely nothing beyond the textures of the words. I don't really know anyone who writes the latter besides me, though.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

Sometimes a few lines into a b) poem, something more concrete comes into view, and then I just turn it into a poetic character sketch, usually.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know anything about poetry.

I don't think it's fair to blame the original vomit-writers, who I am thinking of as Kerouac and other early Beats, for the terrible shit their style has influenced. Just like I love Lester Bangs but I hate people who write like him because it seems easier (when actually it's much much harder).

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

Like any style, it can be done well or terribly and is usually done mediocrely.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:03 (nineteen years ago)

Like I said, I don't know always know how to do this. I get too attached to words that are already on the page, so I prefer to wrestle with things in my head or in an outline before committing to that step. Part of this is probably because I think too much about syntax and precise word choice, and I don't want to face a situation where I have to delete something that I like because it's written in a pleasing way.

I learned at some point that getting attached to something you find precious in writing can be a HUGE impediment. There was some little thing I read about Japanese poets writing beautiful verses and putting them in a river to float away. It's a good analogy for any writing--you have to be prepared to set aside a great tidbit--maybe forever, maybe it will come back sometime--in the service of the big picture.

This was really made clear in my drawing classes. The professor was unapologetic about going up to your drawing and erasing or blacking out sections that were not working with the composition, even if you thought they were the best part of the whole picture. I loved drawing cloth and was good at it (and not much else), so I would have a beautiful fold of cloth and an awfully-rendered hand sticking out of it, completely out of context to the cloth.

The first time he blacked out my beautiful cloth, I was really hurt, but it didn't take long to realize that I was torturing the rest of the elements of the composition around this one pretty piece, and that it was either that one piece had to go, or the other 99% of the drawing did.

Anyway, getting over my fascination with my pretty words (when I could do it) helped my writing a LOT.

abstract but mean absolutely nothing beyond the textures of the words

This sounds like one-dimensional.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:04 (nineteen years ago)

like IT WOULD BE one-dimensional

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

Let's talk about science!

― Jeff, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

NOT THAT I'M A WRITER!!

But I have written. I think I can speak with some at least a little insight about creative processes.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

I have trouble with people dismissing entire styles/genres of art because:
1) See my previous post
2) Usually these styles/genres are imposed on artists by other people (typically critics)
3) These people are usually just being lazy and don't want to have to bother making the effort to thoroughly know a style/genre
3a) (though I understand that it's impossible for someone to thoroughly know every single style/genre. I just wish people would phrase their statements more honestly and clearly instead of using hyperbole)

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

The NYT Science section was disappointingly dull today.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

Let's talk about science!

We could talk about physician- scientist-poets, if you would like.

William Carlos Williams.

Anyone else?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:08 (nineteen years ago)

I know all that, Jesse. I have trouble in band rehearsals, too, when I'm not prepared to get rid of something that I wrote.

This sounds like one-dimensional.

More so than abstract art? Which is what I think of it as: a drawing or painting that uses words in interesting formations and juxtapositions. Repetition of particular letters is important. If I've used a lot of As and Os, I'm cautious about introducing an E (unless it's in a word like "the" where it can be ignored) because it might throw off the whole tone of the piece.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

http://usemycomputer.com/indeximages/2007/April/solarsystembodies.jpg

whoa

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

the way you're describing your own poems sounds a bit like language poetry, John; have you read any of that?

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

You're right, Nick, it's as important to make sure that one's dislike/disgust is not rooted in ignorance of something. But I don't think this requires a thoroughunderstanding of the thing you're criticising, but certainly enough to make an argument stand.

More so than abstract art? Which is what I think of it as: a drawing or painting that uses words in interesting formations and juxtapositions. Repetition of particular letters is important. If I've used a lot of As and Os, I'm cautious about introducing an E (unless it's in a word like "the" where it can be ignored) because it might throw off the whole tone of the piece.

Abstract art means more than just say colors on a canvas. It relates to a whole world of art and art criticism, etc. If it didn't then the people who say, "My 5 year old could do that!" would have a really good point.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

(That said, I was actually considering the other day about how it can be one-dimensional and how writing a poem a day might force me to explore different styles, but it's still something I get a lot of pleasure out of composing. At its best, it feels like improvisation, words building upon other words -- I like writing a line or two and then staring at those lines to see what new words come to mind.)

Horseshoe, do you mean L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poetry? I think I read a few Ron Silliman poems once, but I didn't like them as much as I thought I would.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:15 (nineteen years ago)

Which is why I respect Whitman and Ginsberg despite hating their poetry.

xpost!

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

I was busy finding the link when 'shoe was writing.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

heh, yes L=A=N=G=U=A=G=E poetry. yeah, it's not my favorite and I think its theoretical apparatus is maybe a little headier than "the textures of the words," so maybe it's not that similar to what you're talking about.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

I just wrote a long thing about the writing process, but it seemed dumb so I deleted it. This probably says it all.

I had a salad for lunch because I couldn't bear the thought of eating meat, sugary, or fried foods after all the crap I ate yesterday. WTF, me? Get back on that horse!

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

T.S. Eliot is one of those examples of a poet who is doing what you're describing, John, especially with The Waste Land (original and better title: "He Do The Police In Different Voices").

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Abstract art means more than just say colors on a canvas. It relates to a whole world of art and art criticism, etc. If it didn't then the people who say, "My 5 year old could do that!" would have a really good point.

Oh man, I have so much to say about this, I almost don't know where to begin. The abstract art that I like, I like because of the colors and the composition and the overall mood it creates (cf. our conversation about Rothko from a week or so ago). I could give a fuck about whatever grand statements Abstract Expressionists were making about the history of painting ("painting ABOUT painting") or whatever. I mean, okay, sure, that stuff is interesting, but that's not the primary reason I enjoy a work of art: before anything, it has to be aesthetically compelling.

The reason "My 5-year-old could do that" fails as a criticism for me is because I would respond, "But your 5-year-old *didn't* do that." If we were suddenly told that all of Jackson Pollock's paintings were made not by him but by a preschooler, would that change the reaction you have when you see one of those huge canvasses in a museum?

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:21 (nineteen years ago)

I just wrote a long thing
about the plums
that were in
the icebox
but it seemed dumb

so I deleted it.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:23 (nineteen years ago)

Three Oranges

first time my father overheard me listening to
this bit of music he asked me,
"what is it?"
"it's called Love For Three Oranges,"
I informed him.
"boy," he said, "that's getting it
cheap."
he meant sex.
listening to it
I always imagined three oranges
sitting there,
you know how orange they can
get,
so mightily orange.
maybe Prokofiev had meant
what my father
thought.
if so, I preferred it the
other way
the most horrible thing
I could think of
was part of me being
what ejaculated out of the
end of his
stupid penis.
I will never forgive him
for that,
his trick that I am stuck
with,
I find no nobility in
parenthood.
I say kill the Father
before he makes more
such as
I.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:25 (nineteen years ago)

I like The Waste Land, Eric, but mostly because I like literary mash-ups: the different voices you allude to. I'm not sure I get how it's a "poet who is doing what I'm describing."

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

Side question: Do you guys know of any decent cheap/free video editing software for the Mac? FFs want to make another video but dealing with iMovie was a fucking pita last time.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:26 (nineteen years ago)

(That 'love for three oranges' is a Bukowski poem I read in one of those Best American anthologies)

He's doing what you're doing, J. (or what you're describing in your language poems), in the sense of putting the sensual side of language above its meaning.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:27 (nineteen years ago)

Oh OK. Here's an example of a poem I wrote yesterday, in the style I'm talking about:

he was a math hamlet,
with thematic tics such as
a western helmet melting
within his whole methadone
treatment: heroin tricks,
out-of-mouth thoughts.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:28 (nineteen years ago)

See, I love looking at all those Hs and Ms and Ws consorting like that. It's pretty.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, progs. like After Effects are very ~~stealable~~t0rr3ntable. iMovie does kind of suck but I've used it with some success in the past. It helps to have a really, really fast processor.

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:29 (nineteen years ago)

Whoah Dan, that image is pretty sweet. Especially when I horizontal scrool back and forth really fast.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

I think I do that with lyrics, though it's more about repeating sounds than letter combinations, since it's an oral/aural medium.
xpost

I don't DO torrents.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

I would guess that Bob Dylan writes that way, not worrying what "math hamlet" and "western helmet" mean, though even those are more solvable than "math helmet" or "mth thm mcthmmer".

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:32 (nineteen years ago)

also reminds me of certain Michael Stipe lyrics (shut up, I dug R.E.M.) where the way words sound together is perfect even if there isn't much semantic sense.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

okay, Chicago thread wins, I like that Bukowski poem about the oranges.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:33 (nineteen years ago)

that's not the primary reason I enjoy a work of art: before anything, it has to be aesthetically compelling

It's great when art can work at that level, but it brings up the whole art vs. Art thing: interior decorators go around putting pretty colors onto canvases, but the fact that it is decoration (and therefore pleasing to the eye), existing only as a cheap substitute for fine art that is crafted and that contributes to the "conversation" of art makes it fall flat.

Brian, our friend from NC who is a painter, told me about a guy he knew who wanted to commission a painting, but then saw some splash-painting canvases in a catalog and decided to make them in his garage. They will match his sofa and be pretty, but are they really art?

But I don't think we're disagreeing here too much, since you said, "aesthetically compelling." Aesthetics refers to something more involved than prettiness, and for it to be compelling it seems like it would have to show some thought and craft.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:34 (nineteen years ago)

That poem still does verge on being nonsensical, though. I think my poems in that style are best when I can work in concrete images. That's how it's like improvisation, too: I introduce a phrase or string of words that sounds ridiculous, and then in the next line I have to figure out a way to make it work without collapsing meaning altogether.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

Why is it that when I was in college and I was required to engage in online discussions, they were never this interesting, and I never had as many opinions?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

They will match his sofa and be pretty, but are they really art?

YES

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

I like the one made of fan/hate mail.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:35 (nineteen years ago)

That is my answer to your question, not me confirming your rhetorical point.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:36 (nineteen years ago)

"mth thm mcthmmer"

Can't touch this.

Also Nick OTM, but I have a VERY broad concept of what constitutes art.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

I have to go soon. Before I do, I encourage you to call Ba Le and tell them you want lemongrass sausage back! It was a big-seller, but they stopped carrying it. The recent Reader Uptown edition said that they still have it, so I think the time is right to let them know that you want them to carry it.
(773) 561-4424

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

They will match his sofa and be pretty, but are they really art?

YES

How so?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

mth thm mcthmmer:
mc hammer's ninth
or tenth hummer
with teeth, not a
thrum of heat.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

I knew there was a dick joke somewhere in there.

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

Because (for me) the ontology of art doesn't reside in the art-object's creation or intention but in the encounter or experience one has with it. Art is a communion between object and audience.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

man you could get in some fights if you were in grad school, John!

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

Where does nature fit in there?

(I generally agree fwiw)

xpost

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

xpost lol

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

It's liberal arts day on ILX!

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

I went to Ba Le the other day and they were closed! Even though it was within the posted hours.

― Jeff, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh that reminds me, has anyone been here: http://www.lecolonialchicago.com/ ?

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:48 (nineteen years ago)

It's a constant source of annoyance for me that at my work there are these "abstract" painting/collages in the back of the restaurant. They are pink, gold and turquoise sharply rendered shapes (sphere, pyramid) splashed over with white and black paint. They are obviously decorative elements that are art-impostors, made by a decorator whose other works include fluffed pillows. They were made to match the color scheme of the room, mass-produced, and made with no other motive than profit. To me, they show a contempt for real art. There is so much more value in the blown-up advertisements and bus-stop "Illinois: Mile after Magnificent Mile" posters that decorate the front of the restaurant, and pictures of fish and scallops that make no pretense of being Art.

Art is a communion between object and audience.

But if it is only accessible on 1 level, then is it not like having an interaction with a vapid cheerleader-type?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

It's liberal arts day on ILX!

Jesus. I know. I remember now what was most annoying about being an English major--hearing yourself arguing.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:54 (nineteen years ago)

Because (for me) the ontology of art doesn't reside in the art-object's creation or intention but in the encounter or experience one has with it. Art is a communion between object and audience.

I think it's a combination of both, but mostly the latter.

You can be inspired by a belief and throw paint on a canvas with meaning.
You can just throw paint on a canvas and then assign the meaning later whether or not you truly believe it.
You can throw paint on paper, stand back, and let others decide what if anything it means to them...

I've always felt that way. I would get annoyed in high school English classes when I was told THIS SYMBOLIZES THIS and THAT SYMBOLIZES THAT, because unless the author specifically said so, we have no way of knowing our interpretations are correct. However, I think it is ok to not know the point (if there is one) and enjoy something for what it is/ how it makes you feel.

I am horrible at expressing my feelings today.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

...these "abstract" painting/collages in the back of the restaurant....are obviously decorative elements that are art-impostors, made by a decorator whose other works include fluffed pillows. They were made to match the color scheme of the room, mass-produced, and made with no other motive than profit.

I think that could be said of a lot of things. For example, pastel colored framed beach paintings in a hotel room are like that, but not necessarily abstract.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think staying up all night writing papers was more annoying, and by writing I mean messing around online until four or five am then dashing off some unedited bullshit in time for class.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

by writing I mean messing around online until four or five am then dashing off some unedited bullshit in time for class.

hahahaha sigh

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:00 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't take any English classes in college (can you tell? HA!) because, as much as I loved reading, I felt like 99% of the discussions and requisite papers were a bunch of BS.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

Nature is an interesting case, Jordan. I wish I could remember what my former aesthetics professor [url=[Removed Illegal Link] Brady-/url] had to say about the subject.

I don't know that I believe that nature itself is art, which is part of why I care less about Art (and the definition of such) and more about Aesthetic Experiences (which certainly includes encounters with nature). (I was even loathe to use the word "object" in my post above because I felt it constricted art to the realm of concrete things.) Environmental artists like Walter de Maria or Robert Smithson or Andy Goldsworthy complicate things even further.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

Oh for chrissakes. Emily Brady: http://www.geos.ed.ac.uk/homes/ebrady/

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

Not horrible, Sarah, that's very clear. I tend to like writers/poets/lyricists who work intuitively and work on concrete images instead of symbols, compared to ones who are in complete control of their symbols and metaphors -- which is part of why I can't stand The Great Gatsby and American Beauty, especially compared to The Sound and the Fury and Safe.

Funny. Lindsay just called - she's borrowing my old copy of Julian Barnes's Talking It Over, and inside the back flap was a three-page story I wrote at the end of college. My friend Geoff, the one you guys know, was writing fiction for his senior thesis and was stuck. I wandered through the computer lab at 2 a.m. and dashed off the three-page story, and it was goofier and more audacious than something I would have written for a grade or a thesis advisor, and probably better for being so.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

real art

This phrase is meaningless.

But if it is only accessible on 1 level, then is it not like having an interaction with a vapid cheerleader-type?

Sure. There is good art, and there is bad art. The stuff at the restaurant sounds like bad art.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

They were made to match the color scheme of the room
do you think art should have no relationship to its environment?

mass-produced
you mean like the Andy Warhol silkscreens?

and made with no other motive than profit
ha ha

Please note I am just being a devil's advocate/asshole at this point.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

I felt like 99% of the discussions and requisite papers were a bunch of BS.

You're right, Sarah. I got a BA in BS, and that's actually the part of it I found interesting (the open-endedness of it, being able to take whatever stance you wanted about a book as long as you could defend it convincingly. WTF, maybe I SHOULD go to law school!).

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

Good point, Jordan.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

I liked English classes because I liked sitting in circles and having conversations like this.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

I plead the fifth on my experience of English classes.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

That's true. I just didn't like being told my own interpretation was wrong, when we had no way of knowing what the author meant by it, only what others critics had come up with over the years.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:10 (nineteen years ago)

xpost to Jordan -- Me, too. At first I found that interesting, then I found myself getting slowly more and more jaded towards the concept. Thankfully I graduated before I completely lapsed into bemused cynicism.

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

I side with John and Nick on this stuff. And since I instinctively relate most art discussion back to music, the equivalent of the restaurant paintings would be, what, telephone hold music? Fuzak? It's functional and boring and blends in with the environment. It's still music, just bad music. Otherwise, exactly how much tweaking/twisting/craft does it take for it to magically become art?

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

Thankfully I graduated before I completely lapsed into bemused cynicism.

Haha, me too. Actually I lapsed sometime during my last year, but managed to graduate anyway.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

I'm obviously overly invested in these questions, but there are good interpretations and bad interpretations. for some reason, college professors don't seem great at conveying this properly.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

My high school English teacher must have been teaching at the college level then. ha ha

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

because unless the author specifically said so, we have no way of knowing our interpretations are correct

There's a lot of criticism that would agree with you on this point. But the more recent theories have done away with the author and his or her intent entirely.

I really don't have as much of a problem with hotel room art or even Thomas Kinkade like I do with awful "abstract" "art." It is less pretentious, even when Kinkade calls himself what he does....

I wish I could find it, but there is an artist who takes hotel room art and paints words over it. My favorite is a tumultuous beach scene with 3D letters running into the vanishing point that say something like "FUCK YOUR FORMS WRESTED FROM THE VOID."

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost It's because there are no wrong answers. As a wise cartoon once said: "No one is better than anyone else and everyone is the best at everything." except they were talking about math.

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Honestly, I always got great grades in English, but it made me kind of sick how much of that was based on me just knowing the kind of BS my teachers wanted to hear. Also, I got tired of hearing other students going on and on about what the author meant.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Also, this discussion reminds me of the 2d art class I had in college, that I'm sure I've mentioned before. Our final project involved reading a poem and then creating a piece of art based on it. The project our prof was explosively excited about was a big piece of paper covered in green paint globs. He asked the artist to identify herself (not me) and talk about her work. She came up and said the female character felt trod upon, so for her work she put green paint on a canvas and stomped all over it.

Ok, that's wonderful, but it looked like crap. I spent a very long time trying to come up with a pleasing painting. How could anyone enjoy her piece not knowing the intent?

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

This is good stuff dudes, keep up the juicy discussion, I'm going to be at work until like 7:30 tonight and 9:00ish tomorrow. We're in this together.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

obviously there will never be consensus on what an author meant, but many critics still use this as the criterion for their interpretations. it's just that doing this with figurative writing is different than doing it with, like, a manifesto or something. there's no decoder ring, but the more sensitive a reader you are and the more you know about context/biography/etc. the closer you can come to a good interpretation.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

"New Criticism" - started by Southern agrarians in the 1940s (John has talked about this) - centers on the notion that the authors intentions are unknowable and insignificant to understanding a poem/story/novel/etc., as is his biography, and that all of the answers are to be found in the work itself. Sounds like something you'd like, Sarah.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:20 (nineteen years ago)

You should have said you recorded a concept album about the character and then glued the cd to a piece of paper.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

(where by 'pleasing' I don't necessarily mean pretty, but worth looking at I suppose)

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

My head and throat have been weird all day. This is feeling more and more like a cold. :-(

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I think maybe I'm making contradictory points here about art.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

Last week's New Yorker has a good profile of British chef Gordon Ramsay. Toward the end of the article, the writer describes Ramsay's cooking and how it is about shameless beauty, about harmonies instead of the dissonance of wasabi/chocolate/salt-type gourmet cooking, and how it is underappreciated because of this. I think Orchestra Baobob fits well at Chipotle, without being like the muzak of "Bad Day", because it strives for this same type of beauty.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

On the other hand, I was in a Starbucks a few weeks ago and heard what must have been Eric Dolphy or Ornette Coleman, and, in the context of what I wanted going into that store, it drove me nuts. More Norah Jones, please.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

that was the profile I was talking about at Hot Doug's last week, Eric! where Ramsay gave some of his sous-chefs bottled water to fix their palates? that profile made me all worried about him, which is quite a feat, since he seems like kind of an asshole. Bill Buford rules.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

Oh right, I remembered you when I read about the bottled water! Yeah, Buford has really hit his stride.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

How could anyone enjoy her piece not knowing the intent?

This is exactly what I meant when I talked about needing art to be aesthetically compelling before anything else. Too much modern art works exclusively on the level of symbolic statement. If I have to read the placard next to the painting to know how I'm supposed to respond, then what's the point of making the art at all? I'm not saying that all art should be immediately self-evident, but if it's not, there should be something that's at least aesthetically interesting, which an external explanation can only enrich.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

"New Criticism" - started by Southern agrarians in the 1940s (John has talked about this)

Ha, I mentioned it in my blog the other day.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

That Buford thing isn't online, is it?

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

If I have to read the placard next to the painting to know how I'm supposed to respond,

Stuff like this cracks me up, where it's all about an ironic title. It's like glorified alt-text.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

yep, Jordan: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/04/02/070402fa_fact_buford

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh. I think I left my New Yorker at the laundromat before getting to that article.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

This is exactly what I meant when I talked about needing art to be aesthetically compelling before anything else. Too much modern art works exclusively on the level of symbolic statement. If I have to read the placard next to the painting to know how I'm supposed to respond, then what's the point of making the art at all? I'm not saying that all art should be immediately self-evident, but if it's not, there should be something that's at least aesthetically interesting, which an external explanation can only enrich.

Katie and I find ourselves playing a fun recurring game of describing everyday objects as modern art metaphors for today's society. For instance, a half-assembled Ikea dresser in her bedroom? Why that's wry social commentary on the state of American foreign policy and the destructive attitudes put forth by today's leaders.

If I wasn't so bad at art, I'd be a great artist.

― mattttt, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

pile of xmas lights in the corner

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

The hope of civilization may lie used and abandoned in the forefront of our minds, but hope remains in the lowest places, and is always -- dare I say -- ready to shine.

― mattttt, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

pile of xmas lights in the corner

I think this is a Felix Gonzalez-Torres installation.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

yup

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

I was telling someone my theories about Eyes Wide Shut, how all the little lights represent germs and AIDS and such, and was told that Felix G-T had done that.

― Eazy, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Well wait. Maybe. I'm pretty sure there was another exhibit that day that I'm pretty sure was his (pieces of candy arranged on the floor, of which you were encouraged to sample) but I'm not sure about the light bulbs. They didn't seem to die in any way, but maybe I didn't stand there and look at them for a long enough span of time.

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:57 (nineteen years ago)

FUCK! PROOFREAD YOUR POSTS, ME

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 19:58 (nineteen years ago)

I think the lightbulbs naturally die out over months.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think the Art Institute would have let me watch that happen.

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

omg you could camp out in the Art Institute from the mixed-up files of Mrs. Basil E. Frankweiler style, though!

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:09 (nineteen years ago)

I always love it when I run across a tour of school kids at that exhibit. Nothing like watching children crawl over each other to devour free T-cells!

I think he has a lithograph exhibit in Walker in the Twin Cities that I like much, much better than his stuff at the Art Institute -- but all I know of the subject is subjectiveness.

― mattttt, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:12 (nineteen years ago)

He has something at SFMOMA that's a large stack of white paper, forming an immaculate cube. You can take a paper from the top if you like. It's blank except for small text in the middle that says "MEMORIAL DAY."

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

So uh, the Police Chief resigned. How 'bout that?

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

link

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Granted I've not read many stories on the Chief, but it seemed like he was at least trying to do the right thing by firing the guy responsible for cop wall protecting Abbate from the media and rescinding all the tickets they wrote for the media vehicles. I mean, yeah, the department has a loooong, loooong way to go, I just thought it wasn't a good sign to see the one guy making progressive strides stepping down.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:26 (nineteen years ago)

I love how Daley gets his Olympics plug in in that article.

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I'm on Jesse's laptop in Argo Tea and he is singing church hymns in an attempt to get me to give it back.

That is What's Happening Now!

― Jenny, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.clementine-gallery.com/img/etegdt1.jpg

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.newsfromme.com/images3/berry.jpg

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

I was at the Art Institute one time and there was a group of kids being chaperoned by a teacher. An AI volunteer was telling the kids they were allowed to take the candy from that exhibit and the kids were like ORLY? and the teacher was glaring at the volunteer.

― n/a, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:53 (nineteen years ago)

Grr. I can't find the painting I want to. It says, "TAKE YOUR FORMS FROM THE VOID AND GET THE HELL OUT"

What have I missed?

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

That Buford article is great.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.efluxmail.com/m_images/1088084729Ruscha.jpg

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.efluxmail.com/m_images/1079472909ER11.web2.jpg

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah! I finally finished reading it.

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://peekreview.net/images/chelsea17/ruscha.jpg

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://dredwerkz.com/newimages/194

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.california-pawnshop.com/overture/ruschaed_files/image005.jpg

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.e-flux.com/projects/utopia/art/124ruscha/2.jpg

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

[Removed Illegal Image]

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

http://fr.photography-now.com/pn/Bilder/Hauptbilder/klein/T12767.jpg

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:03 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.panachemag.com/Archive/7_05/Indulge/Art&Antiques/aa6.jpg

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.vrc.iastate.edu/magritte.gif

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.western-project.com/clips/whiteclips/CherryFlavor.jpg

I like this one a lot.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:05 (nineteen years ago)

And this one.

http://www.western-project.com/clips/whiteclips/eShitLikeThat.jpg

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

A certain form of hell, indeed.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

Wayne White did Tom of Finland??

http://www.western-project.com/clips/HISTORY/History2006clips/TOF06.jpg

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, nevermind. I misunderstood.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

All of the ones I posted were Ed Ruscha.

"White's sensibility is as close to Ed Ruscha's (who looked pretty closely at Surrealism himself) as it is to Salvador Dali's; it is impossible not to be reminded here of Ruscha's wry paintings of snow-capped mountains with slangy phrases and the names of women and Los Angeles streets stenciled on their surfaces, which were shown recently at Gagosian in New York."

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa:

"If White hasn't had many shows of his paintings, his work in other fields is well known. He is a successful production designer of music videos and children's television programming, including the late-'8os Saturday morning hit Pee-Wee's Playhouse (White was a puppeteer and provided the voices of several characters)."

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:10 (nineteen years ago)

― KitCat, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.clementine-gallery.com/img/takeyourforms1.jpg

!!!

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

Anyway, I think that that diptych says it all. Everything I wanted to say about awful decorative art is right there.

― Jesse, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:16 (nineteen years ago)

Your mom's a diptych.

― dan m, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:34 (nineteen years ago)

Happy NowRuz, y'all.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:53 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, I think it starts tomorrow.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:54 (nineteen years ago)

The night before the last Wednesday of the year is celebrated by the Iranian people as Chahârshanbe Sûrî Persian: چهارشنبه سوری), the Iranian festival of fire. This festival is the celebration of the light (the good) winning over the darkness (the bad); the symbolism behind the rituals are all rooted back to Zoroastrianism.

The tradition includes people going into the streets and alleys to make fires, and jump over them while singing the traditional song Zardî-ye man az to, sorkhî-ye to az man (literally: "My yellowness for you, your redness for me; ", but figuratively: My paleness (pain, sickness) for you, your strength (health) for me. thank you wikipedia

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:57 (nineteen years ago)

we got that fiya

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 21:59 (nineteen years ago)

holla ancient peoples

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:00 (nineteen years ago)

Btw, I've been going through the tapes of the Green M1ll shows we did last month, there's some fun stuff on there. Maybe enough for a record. Unfortunately I haven't been able to pick out any of you dudes discussing the nature of art or anything (yet).

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

I think Ba11y's cancelled my membership on me. I haven't gone since early December and I just noticed that they haven't taken my automatic payment out of my account for the past three months. I'm going to have to call them to find out whats up with that.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:01 (nineteen years ago)

JC - You accidentally stuck an "un" on "fortunately." Please correct.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

That reminds me that I should be at the gym instead of sitting here eating tortilla chips.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:02 (nineteen years ago)

I want to argue with Amanda, but I don't know what about.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

I know, I know. But, a) I lucked into a $30/mo. membership (which seems really great compared to other gyms I've looked into), and b) its the only gym convenient to my office. So, if it is cancelled, not sure what I'm going to do for the workings out.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

chips vs. gym?

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:04 (nineteen years ago)

I don't want to argue with you, Jaymc.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

meta-argument

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:06 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I don't really have the energy for it, either. I think maybe you just weren't feeling the conversation today? Or don't like Ed Ruscha?

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:07 (nineteen years ago)

I don't even know who Ed Rucha is. I have never been one for protracted discussions about art/criticism of art/etc. Just not my thing.

I guess it's hard to read all of this lofty talk when I am desperately trying to teach people how to write topic sentences that make sense.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:13 (nineteen years ago)

Topic sentences are in the eye of the beholder.

― Jordan, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:21 (nineteen years ago)

Ed Ruscha painted A Certain Form of Hell, to which you responded "A certain form of hell, indeed."

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:23 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, I figured that's who Ed Ruscha was, but I also thought that you would know what I meant. That talking about "bad art" and "good art" for the millionteenth time could not have been fun for anyone, could it? I dunno. For me, everything comes down to "people like what they like." the end.

Topic sentences are in the eye of the bladder.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:26 (nineteen years ago)

there's a certain predictability to certain conversations about good and bad art (like, there's really no point in me attacking Jesse because he doesn't dig Whitman), but I think the fact that people feel compelled to keep having these conversations is significant. and in the course of defending/attacking a particular artist, people often say a lot of interesting things about art.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:29 (nineteen years ago)

On the other hand, if it was fun for you guys to discuss that, then so be it. I am not the arbiter of taste (kenan) nor am I the lawyer in charge of internet discussion topics (jenny). Maybe I'm the brute with the decorative art.

All I mean is that it is not fun for ME to participate in those discussions, it feels like torture, but everyone who enjoys them should carry on.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:31 (nineteen years ago)

For instance, I enjoy reading books by Graham Greene, but I would never post to the GG thread because all I have to contribute to the internet conversation is "I have enjoyed the books of Graham Greene." That's not much to contribute, so I just continue enjoying the books of Graham Greene and not talking about it.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

That talking about "bad art" and "good art" for the millionteenth time could not have been fun for anyone, could it? I dunno.

Even though I was totally repeating things that I've been saying since like 1998, I enjoyed the conversation a whole lot. Like, I didn't get much work done for a couple hours because I was so excited to be having such a stimulating discussion. And it's nice to be able to refine my opinions on such matters in the face of challenges or criticism.

But obv. I understand that some people, like you, aren't so much into it. Which is fine! I just couldn't tell what you were getting at.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:36 (nineteen years ago)

So long as you don't tag me as a simp because of it, we're not fighting anymore.

I never wanted to fight anyway. I'm glad you had a good time.

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

'S cool.

Also, if I wasn't interested in these kinds of "lofty discussions," you probably wouldn't even know me, since that's what drew me to this message board.

― jaymc, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:40 (nineteen years ago)

::hugs::

― La Lechera, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

Kathleen Turner was in BABY GENIUSES not spy kids.

― Jeff, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 04:14 (nineteen years ago)

But she sure as shootin' wasn't in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?!

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 04:30 (nineteen years ago)

So WAoVW was good despite our Star being out sick.

I've read this play a billion times, and seen the movie just as many, but tonight's performance seemed different in that the end made me want to cry, not so much for George and Martha (sad, sad, sad) as for the abstract idea of death of an illusion. In my experience tears are jerked by pity for a particular character or group, and other things are secondary (e.g., the Jews in Schindlers List first, the Holocaust second, and injustice and cruelty third). In this production, however, what moved me was the idea of a world full of people clinging to and hiding behind illusions and dreams, blah, blah, blah.

There was a lot of additional dialogue, too. The movie runs word-for-word with the play. The exchanges are the same for most of the play, but there are 2 or 3 lines here or there added, and a couple monologues and soliloquies. I would guess that this was due to some re-writing on Albee's part? (I don't know about this, but it seems unlikely that a director would add this much dialogue?)

Anyway, I LURV this play, and I think Leslie and I are going to go back once "Kathleen" (as the usher called her) gets better. I would love to go to every performance. I could really follow it around like the Dead.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 04:58 (nineteen years ago)

Albee definitely has done some rewrites to the play over the years (he directed it himself about 10 years ago and made some changes then).

I would love to stage this play with very naturalistic lighting -- what a living room in Evanston would really look like at 2 in the morning, with pockets of bright light and pockets of darkness, maybe a little green glow from the turntable stereo. When George sits down to read and Martha and the boy are at it, they could be a little in the dark, so that we're in the same position as George, hearing them more than seeing them.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 05:05 (nineteen years ago)

But what about the incandescent lights?

I thought the dawn light at the end was too bright and too blue.

Can you remind me what the context was for George saying, "Christ and all those girls"? I think he was talking to Honey

Leslie and I were talking about how when we see the next production we're going to bring notebooks to jot down interesting changes and funny parts that we could one day slip into our venomous attacks on our partners and guests in our homes.

A VA Woolf trivia question

What do each of the characters drink?

I can remember all except for George.....

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 05:27 (nineteen years ago)

What I love about VA Woolf and Zoo Story (the only Albee plays I know, sadly) is the way characters should get out of the horrible games, but the narrative plausibly compels them to stay engaged. It's brilliant, a beautiful instance of art reflecting (not imitating) real life.

Etc.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 06:27 (nineteen years ago)

I am sheepish about admitting that I watched Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf the movie since I got home.

Part of what weakens the movie is the fucking strings.

Regarding the lighting, I think that at the end, George's extinguishing the artificial lights as the sun comes up on a Sunday morning (and remember the recent death of their fake son, and the "kyrie eleison" chant) makes the non-natural light a worthwhile symbol. (If you want to delve further into the this matter, we could talk about the way that the "natural" light in the play is still as artificial as that from the lamps in the staged room, which is interesting as well, though maybe going too far afield.)

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 06:50 (nineteen years ago)

Leslie is getting us cheap tickets for this Thursday's performance!

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 06:51 (nineteen years ago)

hi again, chicago!

― estela, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 10:11 (nineteen years ago)

Drinks:

Honey: Brandy
Nick: Burbon
George: Burgin
Martha: Gin

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 11:58 (nineteen years ago)

There's something very unseemly about my comments from yesterday afternoon. Who am I to tell people what they enjoy talking about? I'm horrible. Carry on, please.

I think I'm experiencing internet fatigue.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 12:25 (nineteen years ago)

Someday I will go to the theater.

They got Twin Peaks season 2 at our video store yesterday so we checked out the first couple of discs. Only got through the first episode before Sarah conked out due to being sickly. It was interesting trying to remember what happened in season 1 (which we watched about 2 years ago), I think we mostly have it pieced back together now. I had forgotten how funny that show is. No spoilers though, please, I've never watched season 2 before.

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

I feel like ditching work and going to the Art Institute.

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 12:45 (nineteen years ago)

Dale Cooper: Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it. Don't wait for it. Just let it happen. It could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot black coffee.

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

I don't really want to talk about Twin Peaks.

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:07 (nineteen years ago)

I'm so tired. I don't know if I want to talk about anything. I'm just waiting for other people to talk about things so I can passively read their posts.

Maybe after 24 ounces of delicious Dunkin Donuts coffee I will be more enthusiastic about life.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

That's what I was like yesterday. I've been disturbed because the last three nights I've woken up between 2-4 am and started planning my classes. I have no escape. We're supposed to go to IA this weekend but all I will think about is how I should be grading something or preparing something or something something. UGH.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:14 (nineteen years ago)

But soon you will be done for the summer, right? The end is near! (the good end, not the scary one)

'Ello, all.

Amanda, I hear where you're coming from. When I read a book/watch a movie/listen to music, I generally like to just enjoy it for what it is.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:24 (nineteen years ago)

I see Kevin is back.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Dunkin Donuts coffee sounds so good right now.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Guess who's back. Back again. Kevin's back. Tell a friend.

xp I have an irrational love of DD coffee. Lately, I've gone and gotten DD coffee on purpose when other, arguably better coffee is also avaialable. I swear there's crack in this stuff.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

Someone gave me a cup of DD coffee with cream AND sugar last week and I remembered what sugar tasted like in coffee. And I liked it.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say but nothing comes out when they move their lips just a bunch of gibberish and everybody act like they forgot about Kevin.

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

I wish I could drink coffee black but I cannot. I can do without milk if I have to but I just can't drink it without sugar. Can you train yourself to drink coffee black?

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:32 (nineteen years ago)

I did. I like coffee with cream and sugar on special occasions or for dessert, but usually I drink it black. If you do it for a while you'll get used to it. Or just use splenda or something.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, thanks again for the link to the D3ath Pr00f sdtk, this is really great. As sick as I got of the Reservoir Dogs & Pulp Fiction sdtks back in college, this guy still knows how to put together a good one. I think Jackie Brown is still my favorite though.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

When I started eating pieces of licorice with breakfast, I knew it was time to tame the sweet tooth. That's just ridiculous. No one needs candy for breakfast.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

Not IN my breakfast, mind you, just a stolen piece here and there, as I passed the container.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

I started drinking my coffee black a few months ago. I used to take milk and lots of it. Then one day I thought, "I think I'll just have black coffee and see how that goes" and I actually liked it better. Crappy coffee tastes better black than with milk, I think.

I never put sugar in my coffee, though, so that might be a more difficult hurdle to overcome.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

I actually haven't had any coffee in about three or four months now, switched over to tea for the most part. But this Stash Chai Spice Black Tea isn't really very good, kind of overwhelming. I can't even seem to finish a whole cup.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:42 (nineteen years ago)

I think I have that tea at home! It is strong, and that's probably why I like it.

Speaking of chai, has there been a fundamental shift if how places make chai tea over the last few years? I used to love it, but every time I've gotten it lately, it lacks the interest and subtlety of the chai I knew and loved and just taste sticky and overly sweet and cloying.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

xp - Maybe your neglected coffee cancelled your gym membership to spite you?

I'm off to work. See y'all laterz.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

PS Easy, tasty home chai:

get ethiopian tea spices (cinnamon, cardamom pods, cloves, something else?) from kuku1u market on broadway
stick some in your tea when it's brewing
warm up some milk with honey in it
combine tea and honey-milk

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:48 (nineteen years ago)

I need to get to that market to get the spices for the delicious lentil recipe you sent me, too. Hmmmm... Chai at home could solve all my problems.

All of them.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Or you could take a visit to Grand Mart, which has a ton of spices from all over the world (and is probably a lot cheaper).

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

SEND ME:

Delicious vegetarian Mexican recipes
Delicious vegetarian Asian recipes

So I can exploit the resources at our new crazy grocery store
xpost

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

Donde esta Grand Mart?

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

North Ave & Cicero

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

It is FUNZONE.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

morning chicago. Hi, estela. I missed a lot yesterday while napping, it seems. You all need to stfu and read some henry miller.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

Art is only a means to life, to the life more abundant. It is not in itself the life more abundant. It merely points the way, something which is overlooked not only by the public, but very often by the artist himself. In becoming an end it defeats itself.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Fun kills thread. Oh, hi, Kenan.

I'm listening to Sigur Ros. I feel like I can relate to it more with a cold.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

Salsa Fresca/Pico de Gallo de Dan/Mattttt:
------------------------------------------
The classic Mexican salsa. It can be abused as part of almost any meal. Tortilla chips kick ass (El Ranchero) of course, but it's also an easy way of making leftovers not suck.

1 Clove Garlic
1/2 White Onion
5 Roma Plum tomatoes (or same amount vine-ripened)
5 Jalapenos
1 Lime
Cilantro
Bay Leaf
(Cider) Vinegar
Salt
Ketchup/Sugar

1.) Mince the garlic, and throw it in your salsa bowl with 2 bay leafs, and half the lime juice. Make sure the garlic if fully embraced in the lime juice.
2.) Mince the white onion and throw it in the bowl.
3.) Dice the tomatoes, throw in bowl.
4.) Dice and seed the jalapenos (you can optionally not seed them for spice, but if you do that to all 5, you will suffer -- I usually keep one seed-ful and de-seed the rest). Refrain from scratching eyes, face, genitalia.
5.) Salt. I'd say about a teaspoon and a half. Play on the safe side. You've got chips to help you out.
6.) Throw either a Tbsp of sugar or ketchup to cut the edge and astringency a bit, then about a tsp of the vinegar.
7.) Add as much cilantro as you can stand. Mix. Drain off some liquid (not all!)

It's very good and simple and once you have vinegar and ketchup in the pantry, dirt cheap to make -- especially once tomatoes are in season.

I only posted this because no one needs Linux help today.

― mattttt, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

You all need to stfu and read some henry miller.

You've got the key line for the preview -- now all you have to do is write the rest of the screenplay about Denis Leary teaching junior-high English.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

I only posted this because no one needs Linux help today.

heh. Wait until tomorrow.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

I want a gym membership.

At some point the people I know will get a friends and family thing from Bally's. That will be $197 a year.

Why Henry Miller? I love Him.

xpost, and on review I caught and left the capitalization error.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

now all you have to do is write the rest of the screenplay about Denis Leary teaching junior-high English.

not fair at all. Dennis Leary would teach Bukowski.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

Why Henry Miller? I love Him.

So do I! That's the only reason why.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda, I hear where you're coming from. When I read a book/watch a movie/listen to music, I generally like to just enjoy it for what it is.

I'm not trying to start an argument, but I don't understand what this means. Or at least what you're putting it in opposition to.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

Eric! Do you remember the context of the "Christ and all those girls" line spoken by George?

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:40 (nineteen years ago)

At some point the people I know will get a friends and family thing from Bally's. That will be At some point the people I know will get a friends and family thing from Bally's. That will be $197 a year.97 a year.

I know it's cheap, but I don't like Bally's. They always try to sell you shit to level-up your current membership. I feel like I'm exercising at Circuit City.

― mattttt, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

all gyms are like that, no?

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

the Y isn't like that.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Jesse: No!

But seeing a marathon play like that twice in the same week is a great idea -- just to really live inside it for a few days.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

My gym has a flat monthly rate for everything, so there is little selling going on.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

i get my gym membership through work, so it's taken out of my check, so it feels like it's free. Which is nice.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

John, I just mean that generally when someone asks, say, how I liked a movie, I tend to say, Yeah, it was good. I enjoyed it. (assuming I did)

In most cases, I don't like to tear it apart and analyze every little thing. I like to think of it as a complete project.

I don't feel a need to ask myself why I like something. It takes the joy out of it.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

hey you know what's good? Newman's Own super-organic hippy-dippy coffee.

Swearing off coffee was a foolish idea, I decided. I need to be awake for my work day.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

I think I get extra credit for having watched the movie last night too.

I was talking chatting with Leslie about it late last night, telling her that I was going to to descend into madness and start living in the dream world of this play. Which would be ironic, considering the themes.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

Okay, that makes sense. I have always had a need to ask myself why I like something -- it's pretty much what my senior thesis was all about. Also, I guess I didn't really understand because it seemed like our conversation was not about the analysis of specific artworks but about larger philosophical questions about the role of art.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

I don't feel a need to ask myself why I like something. It takes the joy out of it.

I think this statement might be the anti-John. Like when he reads it, it might create a black hole.

xpost ha ha oh well

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

"Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" was moved to the top of your queue.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:51 (nineteen years ago)

Have you read/seen A Delicate Balance, Jesse? If you're still hungry, that play is not quite a sequel but very similar. Seascape's good too, though that one is about an old bickering-but-content couple sitting on a blanket at the beach who, at the end of act one, meet a lizard couple.

I eat food without thinking much about why I like it. I leave the walls of my bedroom painted the way they were when I moved in without either thinking about them or analyzing them. But art, art...

― Eazy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:53 (nineteen years ago)

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

(I just had to repost that, I love it so.)

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

I think I'm pretty superficial about my enjoyment of the arts. Twin Peaks got me thinking that I wished there was more art that left some things unexplained (or unexplainable, rather).

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:56 (nineteen years ago)

Nick: also see: any other David Lynch movie.

Maybe the most amazing thing about Twin Peaks was that it was on television. YOU CAN'T DO THAT ON TELEVISION. Or maybe you can.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:57 (nineteen years ago)

I know, right?

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Did Lynch decide to stop doing TP, or did it get cancelled?

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

I'm guessing the latter.

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

Twin Peaks got me thinking that I wished there was more art that left some things unexplained (or unexplainable, rather).

I agree. Lynch is one of the best examples of an artist who does this. (yeah XPOST galore)

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't really understand because it seemed like our conversation was not about the analysis of specific artworks but about larger philosophical questions about the role of art.

I think it was about both, which was partially why I started to confuse myself yesterday. I would consider a discussion about the intent of the artist as being part of the analysis.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

You can likely find the original WAoVaWoolf Broadway cast's COMPLETE recording in a used-vinyl shop for cheap, somewhere. Like a third of my collection, I haven't listened to it yet.

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Yes, you're right.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

S., part of the talk yesterday was about whether or not you were right to be frustrated with how your English teachers in high school analyzed poetry, and I hope our affirming your feelings.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

It gets old sometimes, using critical analysis on everything. I don't mean other people's doing this, but doing it my own doing it at a knee-jerk reaction. Being an armchair critic sometimes seems really pretentious.

On the other hand, I am not in favor of leaving thinking critically up to ivory tower "experts." But sometimes I find myself throwing around analytical tools that maybe I am not familiar enough with to really be using.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:03 (nineteen years ago)

Art, and the capacity it has to affect me and others, is far too interesting to leave unexamined.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.sensesofcinema.com/images/04/32/f_for_fake.jpg

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:07 (nineteen years ago)

I AM CRUSHING YOUR HEAD

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

when orson crushes your head, you know it's been crushed

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

You can likely find the original WAoVaWoolf Broadway cast's COMPLETE recording in a used-vinyl shop for cheap, somewhere.

And so the search begins!

xp - HA! All day yesterday while I was hearing about the art convo second-hand from Jesse, I kept thinking, "It's pretty. But is it art?"

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, I feel bad when I don't say why I like/dislike something. I need to defend my position, it's that english major thing I guess.

many xposts to Sarah

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

xpost yesh

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:11 (nineteen years ago)

When the flush of a new-born sun fell first on Eden's green and gold,
Our father Adam sat under the Tree and scratched with a stick in the mould;
And the first rude sketch that the world had seen was joy to his mighty heart,
Till the Devil whispered behind the leaves, "It's pretty, but is it Art?"

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

A gift for Jesse.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

John, this reminded me of your statements yesterday on not wanting to edit your work writing.

It's from this book Daily Afflictions.

LISTENING TO YOUR INNER CRITIC

"Anxiety is the essential condition of intellectual and artistic creation and everthing that is finest in human history"
--Charles Frankel

We all know that insidious voice that visits when we're trying to write or paint or just get our life together, the one that cuts us down before we begin, the one that says we'll never be good enough. You're told that if you can push this voice aside, your best, most natural self will flow freely out of you and into the task at hand. This might be the right approach when you're truly paralyzed. But is it not better to steel yourself for the worst and listen carefully to what your inner critic is actually trying to say? "You're full of shit. You're lying to yourself and you know it. You haven't decided which rules to break and which to follow. You're using too muh blue again."

Your inner critic is a vital part of who you are. Who else knows you so well? Who else can offer such fine-grained criticism, as well as finger your most cunning strategies of self-delusion and sabatoge? Such a rich heritage of self-knowledge should be channeled toward self-improvement. Instead of blocking out your innter critic, why not use it to burn away all your dross and second-rate pretensions?

I am my own best critic.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:12 (nineteen years ago)

A gift for Jesse.

I was on Youtube last night searching, and I couldn't do this clip then, so I watched the movie.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

man, i WISH i was my own best critic.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

lol @ Orson

I rented the Wrong Guy because it stars Dave Foley. I hope it's funny, has anyone seen it?

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

Thank you, yesterday's Google quote:

I never met anybody who said when they were a kid, "I wanna grow up and be a critic."
Richard Pryor (1940 - 2005), Guardian Unlimited (UK) August 9, 2004

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

I have heard about that movie but never saw it.

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Ha. I've met people like that.

Jesse, I pay attention to my inner critic all the time, which is why I don't start things. What I need to do is stop thinking of all my words as precious, as you suggested yesterday.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

It sounded more like you shut down the inner critic once the words were on paper.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:24 (nineteen years ago)

I should be running. I'd rather be fishing.

OMG, it's 31 degrees??

Stupid Chicago.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

I don't shut down the inner critic entirely. I will stare at my words for a long time, trying to see if they make sense. But it's hard for me to just delete everything and start over once they're there. Instead, I'll move them around, trying to get them to make sense or sound good with as few edits as possible.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:27 (nineteen years ago)

I should be running. I'd rather be fishing.

did anyone else read that as "fisting," or am i just in a mood this morning?

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

I left the sock drawer open, and the cat settled in there.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

WTF IS WRONG WITH CHILDREN

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:30 (nineteen years ago)

It's snowing here. :(

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

yes cats love open drawers.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

ok is it just me or are other people being hit with a torrent os myspace porno friend requests? This shit is so annoying.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

haha this is subtle:

http://a426.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/37/l_05b69e21d3d5fcc2b7db9d9611d9e611.jpg

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

Comes with the territory, I'm afraid. It may help to make all your favorite crap lists into static text instead of links.

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:40 (nineteen years ago)

xpost-- Kids in New Orleans should know to wait till Lent is over before having sex in the classroom.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:41 (nineteen years ago)

srsly!

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

i actually don't have any favorite crap lists on myspace. i never filled any of that out. I have a song that auto-plays and a video of Prince with the Muppets, which I recommend, btw.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:43 (nineteen years ago)

Argh. I feel like I am coming off as a superficial person who does not believe in the importance of art in general. I hope neither is true.

In fact, I think I wrap up too much emotion in art. I hate to see it disected. This feeling is probably tied in to my own sensitivity about being judged (and my own music being judged).

My inner critic needs to go on vacation.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:44 (nineteen years ago)

For the record, Sarah, I didn't think that about you.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

They're in the fifth grade, they shouldn't be thinking about marriage and babies for at least another two years. This ain't Mississippi.

ZING

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:45 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks, John. I don't really think you think that. I just have a cold and it's making me irritable.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

are other people being hit with a torrent os myspace porno friend requests?

No, and I feel a little offended.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:46 (nineteen years ago)

C'mon, that article is a bad joke.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

FWIW, I felt pressure at age 11 to have sex, just not in front of my classmates (didn't do either one though). At the time, it seemed like lots of other kids were doing it, but I'm sure they were mostly pretending.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

Zing, my ass.

Zing my ass.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:51 (nineteen years ago)

later

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

a msg i got on facebook: hello hot guy i m looking to party with a hot guy like you

uh, my name is julia. i think i'm pretty clearly female.

also, does anyone want a sweet and especially fluffy cat? srsly. we've taken on an extra, and we're moving in a few months and laura can't keep him (nor can i). the person who was going to adopt him didn't work out. :(

― JuliaA, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

i have enough of other people's cats. sorry.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, acker is plenty for you.

― JuliaA, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

and i have the scratches to prove it

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

I would but I'm full up on cats.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

OH NO kitteh needs a home! We are full up, arguably over-full on cats. But I will ask around, for sure!

Can you tell me about the cat? A/S/L?

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

no more cats here. the sock drawer is full.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

I talked to a guy at a party once and then a little later my friend said, "Did you meet [Bob]? Kathy Acker strapped it on for him once."

Julia, is that the white-and-beige fluffy cat in your lj photo? So cute.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:00 (nineteen years ago)

Kathy Acker strapped it on for him once.

hahaha TERRIFYING

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:01 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, he is a fluffy motherfucker. Does he shed like the aquarium?

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v616/j_bdules/DSCN0771.jpg

he is FLUFFY HARDCORE. and very sweet. he's maybe four years old i think? doesn't scratch (i thought he was declawed at first, i had to ask laura!), and likes to climb up on things. loves my closet. makes adorable growly curmudgeonly old-man noises sometimes, but he's very good-natured.

girlz coming to the swap thing tomorrow can meet him!

― JuliaA, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

Aw! He looks like a fluffier Ed!

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

he's a hairball, fo sho. Also, very nice, surprisingly so. Digs people.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Leslie: oh, and the "christ and all those girls" is said in reference to Honey's dad's religious "show"

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

(For Eric, mostly.)

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

Leslie: his show was "based on"
christ and all those girls

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

JOHN or AMANDA or JESSE, if I am conducting a volunteer orientation, I am orienting or orientating the volunteers?

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

orienting i would think.

― JuliaA, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

orienting

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

ORIENTING
ORIENTING
ORIENTING
ORIENTING
ORIENTING
ORIENTING
ORIENTING
ORIENTING
ORIENTING
ORIENTING
ORIENTING
ORIENTING

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Orientate is not a word and I hate it.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

or JULIA or HORSESHOE or JORDAN.

"Orientating" doesn't seem like a word to me, but I'm trying to update my resume and so am filled with self-doubt at my abilities to get anything right, from word choice to basic historical facts.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

haha so glad we're on the same page, Chicago.

Jenny, updating resumes is the worst and enough to fill anyone with self-doubt.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

GUYS LET'S DETERMINE WHAT WORDS ARE

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

Irregardless, orientating is a perfectly cromulent word.

― mattttt, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

Everyone OTM.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:24 (nineteen years ago)

orientate is a word, but it's british, and not proper usage stateside.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

Orientalating.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

me put pee pee in your coke

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

orally fellating.

― JuliaA, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

you know how those chinese are. constantly with the pee pee in the coke gag. GIVE IT A REST, ALREADY.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

xpost is there any other way?

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

Especially because I now have to actually have to use it in job competitions and not just for positions that are already foregone conclusions.

xp - that's the third bullet under my Law Clerk job heading.

• Researched a variety of labor law issues, including employee benefits issues.
• Wrote position statements, arbitration briefs, trial briefs, and memos.
• Put pee pee in your Coke.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Aurally fellating? Squish squish.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

Can't believe I'm running late and nonetheless typed that.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

eazy, i'm not even sure i understand that post.

NO DON'T EXPLAIN IT. thanks all the same.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

I just looked it up, and "orientate" is a word that means "to face or turnt to the east."

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Looks like I AM meeting with my boss tomorrow, which means I probably should not go to Deerhunter show tonite ;_;

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, I just got scheduled for an exterior punchlist first thing tomorrow morning up in Wisconsin. Yay. Also, exciting because its forecasted to be in the 30s with 40 MPH winds while we spend THREE HOURS WALKING AROUND THE OUTSIDE OF A BUILDING. Ugh.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

Chicago come back, any kind of fool could see
There was something in everything about you
Chicago come back, you can blame it all on me
I was wrong, and I just cant live without you

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

It looks like I'll be up for CHILX All-Stars recording this weekend after all. Las drogas are going to be put on hold until ... wait for it ... 4/20.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:28 (nineteen years ago)

OK well I can do:

FRIDAY
SATURDAY
or
SUNDAY

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:49 (nineteen years ago)

gawd so picky

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:50 (nineteen years ago)

I od'ed on meat again last night. Pepper beef + salami sandwich for dinner, chicken wings for pizza. Antidote: more salad plus some dal for lunch.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Saturday looks good to me.

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:52 (nineteen years ago)

Also: Listen to Gravitar

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, Saturday. Because Sunday is Easter.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

rocking >>> easter

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah i get to hang out with julia's parent's sunday. won't that be fun. sigh. well, it's gotta be done.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:54 (nineteen years ago)

Actually, this might work out perfectly, because Kr wanted to go back to Working Bikes at noon, so I'll be in the neighborhood -- assuming you guys want to do another early afternoon session.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 17:58 (nineteen years ago)

oh yeah, sat. afternoon should be fine, and sarah may join us this time, since she won't be out of town. Not sure if she's interested though.

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

Any chance of re-upping the remixed version of the last jam session? I don't know if I saved that one or not.

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:06 (nineteen years ago)

(or emailing, which ever)

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:07 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, when I get home, if I remember.

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:09 (nineteen years ago)

I have to be at the dentist downtown at 10am Saturday for more drilling/filling action, but I'll be free that afternoon.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:10 (nineteen years ago)

See if you can record the sound of your teeth being drilled for us to incorporate into the song.

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:30 (nineteen years ago)

SADIST!

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

I may have to bow out of recording if I have to hear that sound. Just thinking of it gives me THE SHIVERS.

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

At least you don't have to be part of that sound. :-(

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe you can sing mumble-mouthed from novocaine. It'll be like your "Through the Wire"!

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

My turn is coming soon, S. ;_;

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

horseshoe, you can ignore me on that other thread. I'm basically just concentrating on riling up Shakey Mo at this point because I think he's a moron.

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

actually I should probably stay away. I'm going to finish my work and go home.

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:43 (nineteen years ago)

he is a moron; also I'm glad you're on that other thread because I would like to actually know what I'm talking about.

xpost ;_;

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

movies be contentious

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:02 (nineteen years ago)

So it's the movies doing the arguing?

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:08 (nineteen years ago)

con·ten·tious (kən-tĕn'shəs) pronunciation
adj.

1. Given to contention; quarrelsome. See synonyms at argumentative, belligerent.
2. Involving or likely to cause contention; controversial: “a central and contentious element of the book” (Tim W. Ferguson).

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

SUCK MY DICTIONARY

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:09 (nineteen years ago)

Bbbbut definition #1

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:12 (nineteen years ago)

Plus my dictionary has "orientate" as a synonym for "orient".

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

I DIDN'T REALIZE DR. DEMENTO HAD WRITTEN A DICTIONARY

― n/a, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:14 (nineteen years ago)

Shakey is not a moron

― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's kind of amazing that you guys can argue all day long about definitions of art but the notion that words have transient meaning is apparently hard to accept.

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

I hope I'm wrong in my interpretation but that's how it seems.

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

Plus my dictionary has "orientate" as a synonym for "orient".

as in, like, you can travel to the orientate?

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

dan, i'm just picking on you, duder. of course contentious means BOTH things

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

let's not get all contentious about a contentious word like contentious

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

It's OK, I wasn't singling out "contentious", just speaking my mind instead of ignoring things and working.

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

I'm ignoring things and working your mom.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

CONTENTIOUS

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

When I'm actually working hard I just want to relieve some stress by popping in here for obnoxious comments. I assume this is how Nick feels all the time.

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

CONTENTIOUS!

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.thebostonchannel.com/2007/0404/11517154.jpg

― Jeff, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

plz explain that image, sir

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

THE DINGO TOOK MOI SOBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

He needs his electrolytes.

Coyote in loop yesterday

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Chillin' in a Quizno's.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

oh cool!

How dangerous are coyotes, really?

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

It depends, are you a baby or do you have a gaping leg wound?

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

close. Sucking chest wound.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:37 (nineteen years ago)

seems like the biggest threat would be a coyote attacking somebody's poor dog.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Las drogas

What??

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/images/coyote_acme.png

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

oh, wile e, that'll *never* work!

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

You know Spanish, don't play dumb.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

What drugs are you talking about? Which drugs? When drugs?

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:49 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc has been making bathtub meth out of drano and sudafed.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/04/20/mushroom_cloud_wideweb__430x269.jpg

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mccullagh.org/db9/d30-32/baby-i-am-the-bomb.jpg

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

anyone looking for a receptionist job? It's at our new building in Lincoln Park, right on the park. You have to work weekends but you get two weekdays off.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

Pay?? I can't take my current workplace much longer.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of which, here is one recent reasons why--

The Gen. Manager and the Asst. Manager are both fucking 2 different bussers. The GM LIVES with hers. She has lived with him for years, and hired him as a busser. These bussers are friends with some of the other Latino staff, including a couple of really worthless ones, including that aggressive waiter, so the friends get carte blanche for all sorts of assholery and laziness.

Last Sunday one of the bussers (Eminem-type guy whom I've mentioned before) came in with a 40 which he chugged. When he gets drunk at work he is useless and really aggressive and mean and short with guests. Plus, he was 1 hour late with no consequences. The managers just laugh and say, "Oh, that L|berato...." Plus he does coke at work with another busser, and has that long coke pinky nail.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

I applied for a job at the Org from this summer! It's a position as Assoc. Development guy.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:20 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, those managers suck ass. If people were even 5 minutes late at my old kitchen job and didn't call ahead there was hell to pay.

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

No sympathy for people with long coke pinky nails. Can that guy!

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

both fucking 2 different bussers.

Wait, does this mean that each one is fucking both bussers, or is it one busser per woman, or are there four bussers being fucked?

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Haha at first I was like "Waht? The managers are also bussers?"

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

Can we get a fucking busser Venn diagram up here?

― mattttt, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:27 (nineteen years ago)

New band name:

The Fucking Bussers

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

The Dirty Busser-Fuckers

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

jesse -- i'm sure it would be less than you're making now. :(

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

And in my brief experience as a receptionist and a cook, restaurant work kicks the shit out of receptionist work -- but I guess this probably depends a lot on where.

― mattttt, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:34 (nineteen years ago)

1 busser per woman! God, anything else might be frowned upon.

These are both sizeable women, and the bussers are short little twigs. The one guy is also grrrross. One of the waiters gave one of the bussers a ride to the Asst. manager's house, and he said, "Heh, heh, she's the boss at work, but I'll be the boss tonight."

Kenan, I would expect it to be less than I'm making now, but I need to get out. Link me.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

jesse -- i sent you gmail

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

"hostesses."

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Off to my ridiculous job.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

My current one, I mean.

― Jesse, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Here's a question:

Can a person be an atheist and also be really superstitious and believe in synchronicity? OR, if you prefer, does believing in forces mean that you believe in "God"?

Discus.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry that's off-topic of busser-fucking, but inquiring minds, etc.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

Oooh, that's a good question! But speaking only for myself, the fact that I believe in "forces" -- even at the mild level of "things happen for a reason" -- is one part of why I don't consider myself an atheist.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:42 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost I think so.

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:43 (nineteen years ago)

i believe in dark matter

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

I've always thought the same thing as Jaymc, that atheists cannot believe in ANYTHING, but I can't say that I believe in "God" as most people conceive of it/him/her/whatever so I don't want to consider myself a theist. I also don't really consider myself agnostic, since I am not really searching for any answers -- what am I, a witch?

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

A lot of superstitions are ginned up by people amirite?

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:45 (nineteen years ago)

Agnostic implies searching? I thought it implied an aversion to organized religion and recognition that there is no singular human explanation for something so beyond our comprehension.

― mattttt, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

i am searching for the answer to the question, "Who do I have to blow around here to get a raise?"

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

WAIT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT...

SECULAR HUMANISM?

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:46 (nineteen years ago)

Well, not superstitions in the "don't cross a black cat" sense, but the "don't talk about something or it might come true" sense. More like karmic caution then old timey superstition, I guess.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:48 (nineteen years ago)

I think of that as agnostic, Amanda.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

I thought all agnosticism implied is that you don't know. Some agnostics are searching, while some believe that knowledge regarding the existence of God is ultimately impossible. Some dislike organized religion, while others may participate in it (back when my family went to Unitarian church on a regular basis, my parents had a couple from the church over for dinner, both of whom professed to be atheists).

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:50 (nineteen years ago)

I don't know if I'm talking about secular humanism. Am I?

Ok. But I thought -- and maybe I'm wrong -- that agnostic meant that you're looking for "truth" or "answers" or something to confirm your yet-uncooked beliefs. I could be very wrong about this. I don't feel like I'm looking for anything.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

No, you're not talking about secular humanism (well, not specifically), I was just making a shitty neo-conservative joke.

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:51 (nineteen years ago)

Dictionary sez: "a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly: one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god."

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:55 (nineteen years ago)

See, but part of me feels like I "know." So I'm not really agnostic, because I think I know. (Whether or not I actually know is not the question here, because what matters is that I think that what I believe is true.)

Still contemplating the fact that I might be a witch.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, what do you think you know?

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:57 (nineteen years ago)

can you wiggle your nose? I understand that's key for a witch.

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.fiftiesweb.com/tv/bewitched-1.jpg

― kenan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 20:58 (nineteen years ago)

Kelsey said this in a recent e-mail to me, which I chuckled at:

"i am perfectly okay with not having an afterlife, although i would totally want to cash in on it if it exists."

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

Deisim?

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

I guess the technical definition of an atheist is one who doesn't believe in a god or gods, but as soon as you start admitting of things beyond rational explanation it seems counter to the spirit of atheism somehow?

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:00 (nineteen years ago)

Well, let me give you an example:

2pm: talking about what would happen if someone died
6pm: received phone call that this person i talked about is dead

lesson: do not talk about the dying of people you love. whether or not this actually causes a cosmic reaction or not, i think it's a bad idea and i won't do it. (this is where the superstition comes in) i "believe" that it's a bad idea to talk about people's deaths. i realize that this is silly, but i still believe it.

horseshoe -- that's what i mean. i am probably not an atheist if i believe something as totally unprovable as what i just said that i believe.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry about your loss, Amanda!

and I'm superstitious in precisely that way, too. but I don't think I could reasonably be described as an atheist, so it's not much of a conflict.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

aw, thank you -- it was a while ago, but how terrifying is that? it still chills me to think about it.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:04 (nineteen years ago)

So that happened to you, then?? Was this someone who was more likely to die (age?)?

I guess I'm agnostic then based on these definitions.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:07 (nineteen years ago)

I'd go so far as to say I believe it to be presumptuous for anyone to think they know what forces or god(s) are working behind the curtains (or aren't). We are mere mortals!

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:09 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, that happened to me. And no, this person was not old or sickly. I don't want to go into it much further, but it was a really really really scary day. So scary that it pretty much cemented my (admittedly arcane) worldview that I should not think bad thoughts. Not that my thoughts control the universe, but it's more like a preventive measure or a soothing psychological balm.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

If I do not think bad thoughts, bad things will happen naturally (as they do) instead of because I sent out negative, possibly evil vapors into the atmosphere. See what I mean? This is stupid, yet I can't stop believing it. Maybe I have OCD.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

yeah I have all kinds of magical thinking like that. I guess I think everybody does, but that has gotten me into some arguments in my time.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

Amanda, I already know you have ODC, we've had the tweezing and squeezing discussion at least twice. xoxoxoxo

― Laurel, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:18 (nineteen years ago)

See, I don't think that everyone does. When someone asks me what I believe in, I'm supposed to talk about evil vapors? Usually I just lie and say that I don't know or that I believe in God but don't have a religion. It's just easier. But it's also why I'm pretty sure I'm not an atheist.

OH GOD you know about the tweezing. It's true.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

And the scotch tape.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:19 (nineteen years ago)

You can be an atheist and still believe that such synchronicity and superstition exists. It may just be the case that physics hasn't explained the phenomenon that you are experiencing.

This is not the case for me though. Being an atheists was one of the first things in my life I was actually sure of.

― Jeff, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

heh, I mean I don't think different kinds of magical thinking are all the same or occupy the same position in people's lives.

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:20 (nineteen years ago)

I like the idea of 'magic' just being everything we (as humans) are currently not able to explain, regardless of whether or not we ever will.

― KitCat, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

You mean like how vacuum cleaners or DSL Internet work?

― mattttt, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

how vacuum cleaners or DSL Internert work=tiny fairies

― horseshoe, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:26 (nineteen years ago)

I think you're right, Jeff. There's only so much that the human brain knows right now, at this point in time. We could know a lot more in, say, 1000 years. If we last that long.

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

Oh wait, I forgot -- the internet will IMMORTALIZE US (and our banal conversations) FOREVER!

― La Lechera, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:35 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone heard of a band called M1nmae?

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 21:44 (nineteen years ago)

I believe in forces beyond our control. I believe that if you're a stinky jerk, it will impact you in some way that is not altogether pleasant, and that if you are a good person for unselfish reasons, nice things will come to pass for you. I do not talk about people dying, just in case. I believe in the power of positive thinking and I believe that we really are all interconnected in a fundamental way. I honestly believe that if I am able to truly let go of the belief that I am a solid, impenetrable mass and the belief that a wall is a solid impenetrable mass, I will be able to walk right through that wall. I strongly suspect that what we think of as reality is really a very elaborate illusion. I remain neutral about ghosts, tele- and pyrokenisis, astrology, psychic predictions, energy healing, karma, the efficacy of colloidal silver*, and even the power of prayer as a mechanism to manipulate whatever it is that we've got going on here.

HOWEVER I comfortably call myself as an atheist because even though we humans aren't controlling those forces, nothing else is either. There is no man behind the curtain or master of cycles and/or puppets. These uncontrollable forces just are, like the tides or the wind or the seasons. Thus I actively deny the existence of god(s), believing instead that we just haven't (and might never) figure out exactly what's going on here yet.

*Okay, I don't really believe in the efficacy of colloidal silver.

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not sure if there is a physical, supernatural, or psychological reason that Timbuk 3's "The Future's So Bright (I Gotta Wear Shades)" has been stuck in my head today, but it made me think more about 80s nerd culture in general.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to post something sarcastic about how I know you've all been waiting to hear from me on this issue, but really I think that was a worthwhile contribution because it's an example of how I reconcile the fact that I am an insanely superstitious person but have no qualms calling myself an atheist. Unless I'm around a lot of religious people. They I usually just say, "I'm not religious." But that's more about not wanting to be a confrontational jerk or making anybody feel like they need to get defensive than about discomfort with my beliefs.

xp - Eric, it's clearly a message to you from your older self who got confused about the exact date to say, "Everything's going to be just fine!"

― Jenny, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think that "God" necessarily implies agency; I've been attracted to the idea that God is nothing more those very forces you describe.

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

(I think that a lot of otherwise non-religious liberals are put off by the word "God" and its usual connotations.)

― jaymc, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 23:06 (nineteen years ago)

Allahu akbar

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 23:18 (nineteen years ago)

Thou art God

― dan m, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'm not superstitious.

We have a black cat.

― Jeff, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 23:37 (nineteen years ago)

Timbuk 3's "The Future's So Bright (I Gotta Wear Shades)"

What was the 80s teen vampire movie that this tune was in????

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 23:42 (nineteen years ago)

I think it's My Best Friend is a Vampire!

― Jordan, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 23:43 (nineteen years ago)

It was also inCampus Man.

― Eazy, Wednesday, 4 April 2007 23:53 (nineteen years ago)

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

I ate too much tacos. :/

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

And I'm still at work but productivity is fading.

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

I think God does imply agency, very much. "God" is definitionally a deity, a supreme being, a controller, the personification of a force.

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 00:38 (nineteen years ago)

G = Genome
O = Organizing
D = Device

― Jeff, Thursday, 5 April 2007 00:41 (nineteen years ago)

Richard Dawking, the atheist who wrote The God Delusion was on Fresh Air (With Terry Gross!) Talking about different ideas of what "God" means. Of course there is the idea of a personal deity whose intelligence is responsible for the genesis of everything, and then there is the Einsteinian notion of "God." Einstein occasionally used the term "God," and people chose to believe that he meant a deity. Later he made an unequivocal statement about what he meant: "God" for him meant (something like) the magnificent wonder of the whole universe, and its ways of working.

Dawkins said that in this sense, he could be said to believe in God, but that using that name in mixed company only made for needless confusion.

Also, he said that he has a T-shirt that someone gave him that says "ATHEIST FOR JESUS," since he admires the historical Jesus' moral teachings, etc. I could wear a shirt like that.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 03:30 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmmm tacos.

So I got an email that 3rin McKe@n (beloved lexicographer whose deceptively youthful photos won many hearts) is going to be speaking at my alma mater.

Googling for photos of her, I found this one: She is juxtaposed with C@itlin Flanagan, aka Satan. Good vs. Evil fite?

Look!
http://archives.zinester.com/79980/88343/130388_news_mckeanblog.jpg

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 12:31 (nineteen years ago)

BOOOOOOOOOOOO C@itlin Flanagan.

http://wordsmith.org/chat/images/erin-mckean.jpg

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:08 (nineteen years ago)

There is a heart-winning youthful photo of EMcK.

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:09 (nineteen years ago)

Well here's a slightly embarrassing omission: I knew of EMcK not because of her contribution to the word world but because of her dress-a-day blog.

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:12 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think I'd like Caitlin Flanagan in person but I liked about 2/3 of her book To Hell With it Allvery much. That woman can write. I can see why she's, ah...unpopular, though.

― Laurel, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

That's *the* heart-winning youthful photo of EMcK, the one that made me do such foolish things as start a short story about having a crush on an unnamed lexicographer.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

What's Flanagan's deal again? Is she against women having careers or something?

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:21 (nineteen years ago)

Err, no. Well, I've only read her book, I don't know about other lectures or articles she's done. Her main point as far as I can tell is that households run better when there's someone in charge of them, and that it's a big fucking job. Since I come from a family of loving, bossy, cooking & cleaning & sewing & child-scolding Southern women who can fix, make, or conjure up pretty much anything out of nothing, that makes a lot of sense to me. Unfortunately CF also thinks that women are somehow inherently better at the job, which is just...gah.

― Laurel, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

I've never read Flanagan's book, but I've read some of her New Yorker writing. I guess she's a little too savvy to be against women having careers, but functionally, some of her articles seemed to me tantamount to saying that.

― horseshoe, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:31 (nineteen years ago)

Also she completely rips into the modern "white wedding" convention and the commercial industry that milks it for all it's worth, which obv made me happy.

― Laurel, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:33 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, some of the objects of her critique are perfectly right-on, but I just can't get past the "mothers shouldn't work!" vibe I get off her writing. especially because, hello, YOU'RE a working mother!

― horseshoe, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:37 (nineteen years ago)

Funny, tho, because she's pretty much all for mothers working! Her own mother worked, and was happier because of it, and CF observes that while she resented not having her mother's full attention after school etc, quite frankly it was probably better because not being stuck home with one demanding child made her mother not-crazy and benefitted everyone.

― Laurel, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:39 (nineteen years ago)

Hold on, I have to get some work out and will find good quotes in a bit.

― Laurel, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

See here and here.

xp - Taking up where Phyllis Schlafly left off. Oh wait. Schlafly never left off.

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

Here's the Atlantic nanny wars article referenced in the Ms. and Salon pieces above.

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:49 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, the part about her nanny and all that fol-de-rol is the 1/3 of her book that left me kind of cold.

― Laurel, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:51 (nineteen years ago)

I'm most fond of that email exchange, but then again, I'm an unabashed Barbara Ehrenreich fangirl.

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

I liked being a latchkey kid.

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:02 (nineteen years ago)

Caitlin Flanagan, as it turns out, is no happy housewife quietly tending to husband and child, but a “domestic diva” who delegates the actual housework to the less fortunate, leaving her free to wax eloquent about the virtues of homemaking in lengthy essays in the New Yorker.

Yet the very order, harmony and meticulous attention to detail she lauds in the lost arts of housekeeping are conspicuously missing in her own seductive but intellectually sloppy prose.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/2623/

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:03 (nineteen years ago)

I liked being a latchkey kid.

I did once I started bringing girls home, that's for sure.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:04 (nineteen years ago)

I first heard of EMcK by hearing her on 848 and was ultra-charmed without knowing what she looks like. Same thing hearing Jaime Pressly on Loveline. (I've said all this before.) Those are the only two times I've swooned from radio interviews, I think.

http://cdbaby.name/m/c/mckeown2.jpg

She's cute, too.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:06 (nineteen years ago)

I love bacon blogging!

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

What about this one, Jordan:

http://www.supersizedmeals.com/food/article.php/20070311-Bacon_Cheese_and_Beer_Dog

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:14 (nineteen years ago)

speaking of dawkins

(Also by Lakshmi Chaudhry, who wrote the Flanagan book review, and who I think I have a little crush on.)

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:15 (nineteen years ago)

Normally I support stunt-eating like that, but after the food-week I've had I can't even think about it.

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:16 (nineteen years ago)

I should probably read his book before making a judgement, but what I've read about Dawkins' attitudes towards religion really turn me off.

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, me too. He's a little frothy.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:21 (nineteen years ago)

“They condemn not just belief in God, but respect for belief in God. Religion is not just wrong; it’s evil,” writes Gary Wolf in his Wired Magazine cover story, “The New Atheism,” whose leading exponents include—in addition to Dawkins—Daniel Dennett, a philosophy professor at Yale, punk rocker Greg Graffin and Sam Harris, author of The End of Faith: Religion, Terror, and the Future of Reason. These are the self-styled “Brights,” the moniker of choice for Dawkins to describe “a person whose worldview is free of supernatural and mystical elements.”

ugh.

But I must say, I would take Daniel Dennett off that list. He's a strict rationalist, to be sure, but he has none of Dawkin's bile. He's kind of a gentle, soft-spoken, grand-fatherly man with a big Walt Whitman beard. I would love to meet him.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

What are people doing this weekend? Some friends of mine (Cam and Justin) are going to Chi tomorrow night for an art gallery thing, I'm toying with the day of going and coming back Saturday afternoon.

On the other hand it's been a long week and I kinda just want to sit at home and watch the Wire.

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Dawkins religion writing isn't very good. He does much better when he sticks to writing about genetics.

I really don't read popular books about atheists trying to debunk religion. I don't think it can really be addressed unless you look at it from a neuroscience perspective. Read Gerald Edelman.

Dennett is fun, but he is no scientist.

― Jeff, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

No, he's a philosopher!

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:25 (nineteen years ago)

I used to identify as an atheist, nowadays I have pretty negative feelings about atheism. Other people would probably consider me an agnostic but I don't like that word. I suspect that I am mostly just areligious. I'm not sure if god's existence is really relevant.

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

CHILX: Tackling all the heavy issues, one day at a time.

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:28 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan: I have no plans for Friday and would be willing to hang out then. Sarah is going to the dentist Saturday morning but I will be free. Looks like Sat. afternoon is CHILX ALLSTAR BAND recording session #2.

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:30 (nineteen years ago)

Lexicographer Erin McKean != folk-singer Erin McKeown

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:35 (nineteen years ago)

I really don't care to read a philosopher's view of the existence of a god or consciousness. At least with Dennett he is looking at neural networks, albeit superficially.

― Jeff, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:36 (nineteen years ago)

I know I know the two EmKs aren't the same!

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

huh. I'd much RATHER read a philosopher's view of abstract matters. Feels like they have a toolkit that's designed for it.

Who up in the bitch has read William James?

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:38 (nineteen years ago)

that's right, the bitch

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:39 (nineteen years ago)

I have, though it was a while ago. Hello psychology and religion double major.

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:41 (nineteen years ago)

yeah, i figured you had.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Jeff, did you happen to see the profile in The New Yorker a few weeks ago about Pat and Paul Churchland, an academic couple that investigates philosophical problems through neuroscience? I can only find it as a PDF -- but it seems like it's totally up your alley.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:43 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, what made you major in religion?

I wish I didn't have this rock show on Saturday night. I know I'd be able to get back from Chicago in plenty of time, but I get way antsy when I have a deadline in another city.

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

jmc, I'll check it out.

― Jeff, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:52 (nineteen years ago)

This is pretty great - a documentary about the recording of two Chic songs.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 14:54 (nineteen years ago)

I'm designing business cards today! Every day a new challenge. Sometimes I really like my job. :)

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a programmer. I'm writing marketing briefs about customer relations management. Sometimes I really hate my job. Is there a sigh emoticon?

― mattttt, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:14 (nineteen years ago)

I love bacon blogging!

I had a long dream about bacon last night. I made a big batch. MMMMM.

Dawkins' interview is all I know of him, but it made me want to read his book. He touched on the idea of religion being a bad thing. He said that his attitudes on it were somewhat misunderstood due to the title of his BBC special, "The Root of All Evil," which was the title that the producers pushed for. He said, "I don't believe that religion is the root of all evil; it is the root of quite a lot of evil, but that isn't a very catchy title."

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:16 (nineteen years ago)

huh. I'd much RATHER read a philosopher's view of abstract matters. Feels like they have a toolkit that's designed for it.

I agree. Not that you can't include hard science into it, but if the existence of God isn't the work work of philosophy, then what is?

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:19 (nineteen years ago)

Watch this video. Now.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

poor faux-Oldham

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i185/glittergus/alph/14/u.gif

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

whatthe...

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

I feel kind of messed up. I don't know if it's:

a. Unnecessary nervousness about meeting with boss today (most likely)
b. I'm coming down with a head cold caught from Sarah
c. I made my coffee too strong this morning
d. a+b
e. b+c
f. a+c
g. a+b+c

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:49 (nineteen years ago)

I am so glad someone revived this thread.

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Haha yes!

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

genius

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:53 (nineteen years ago)

That thread needs some @m@nd@... wasn't she doing the scat-dat-skiddeley bop doo wow thing a while back?

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Or not I guess

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Demanda your manda.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

What the hell? Are you people all working or something?

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:06 (nineteen years ago)

Are you seeing the play again tonight, Jesse?

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:07 (nineteen years ago)

I sure am!

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

I'm bringing a notebook and a flask this time.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:08 (nineteen years ago)

Would any dudes be interested in TT action tonight? Preferable somewhere easily accessible by public transport?

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Preferably

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:09 (nineteen years ago)

Not sure yet, gotta get some stuffff done.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

That's cool. There's probably stuff I SHOULD do as well.

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

Band practice tonight, sorry. Which reminds me, I have to go write an e-mail announcement now...

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:14 (nineteen years ago)

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― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:20 (nineteen years ago)

You got me workin' workin' day and night

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

You got me workin' day and night
And I'll be workin'
From sun up to midnight

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

I'm on the wagon again, so... not so thirsty. Gotta stay alive and all that.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.orangeshag.com/images/StayingAlive.jpg

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.mygadgetbag.com/Portals/0/storyimages3/oregon%2520trail.jpg

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.monsterlimo.com/images/Store/Monster%2520Wagon%25201.JPG

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

I still say we should get together sometime and watch that terrible movie.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

Staying Dead Alive

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:37 (nineteen years ago)

chuckle

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

I love that Michael Jackson song.

Btw, if people are looking for something to do tomorrow night, C-N-ST- is playing an hour-long set at the B--T K-TCH-N. Two new band members. New t-shirts for sale. Rock and roll. Etc.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

hmmmmmmm

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

n3ptali appears to have stopped responding to my emails

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

the word is out about you, nick

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Eric's pals in Chicagoist

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

Fun fact: Emerson used to live in Athens, GA, and was friends with erstwhile ILXor James Blount.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:55 (nineteen years ago)

I get a much needed haircut on Saturday afternoon. Maybe after I will make my way to the Jammerman house to say hello.

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 16:56 (nineteen years ago)

or you could stop by the FF practice space and play tambo

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

That was a neat interview, I had no idea that place existed. Such a great idea.

(x-post re: Underground Library)

I need a haircut as well, badly.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:05 (nineteen years ago)

Where is the practice space? Is that where you'll be?

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:09 (nineteen years ago)

I just placed a six-imp order with BPAL:

Black Lily
Endymion
The Lady of Shallot
Bliss
Veil
Bell Epoque

And now the agonizing wait!

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

Shallots smell great, but is that really a perfume-worthy scent?

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:12 (nineteen years ago)

Fans of podcasts, religion, and the mind might enjoy Daniel Dennet on ABC Radio National's excellent program All in the Mind.

xp - I just want to smell like Italian salad dressing. Is that so wrong?

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:15 (nineteen years ago)

THE LADY OF SHALLOT
The scent of calm waters just before a raging storm, limned with achingly-beautiful blooms, an icy scent, but somehow warm, and mirror-bright: bold gardenia, crystalline musk, muguet, water blossoms, clear, slightly tart aquatic notes and a crush of white ginger and Wishbone Italian Salad Dressing.

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:17 (nineteen years ago)

for reference

http://www.illusionsgallery.com/lady-of-shallot-L.jpg

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:20 (nineteen years ago)

Now you, too, can smell like... the wall of an English major's dorm room?

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:21 (nineteen years ago)

it's totally tragic

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

My sister used to recite that poem from memory all the time.

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Is that Joanna Newsome?

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i191/fluxion23/lady-of-shallot-L.jpg

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:29 (nineteen years ago)

The mirror crack'd from side to side / "The curse has come upon me" cried the Lady of Shallot.

― Laurel, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

I only know that line because there's an Agatha Christie book titled "The Mirror Crack'd from Side to Side".

― Laurel, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:35 (nineteen years ago)

LOL @ Jon

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

http://img.verycd.com/e9f21b4618fbc58f19cc7ad6ad7f076f.80816.jpg

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 17:46 (nineteen years ago)

I got free Gatorade! I prefer classic lemon-lime flavor.

It's what plants crave!

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:16 (nineteen years ago)

I had that typical Lady of Shallot poster in my room in high school.

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:17 (nineteen years ago)

I was a Klimt man myself. But I'm sure we've talked about this before.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

I also had this one, among many others:
http://persephone.cps.unizar.es/General/Gente/SPD/Pre-Raphaelites/Big/Ophelia.jpg

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:19 (nineteen years ago)

Ophelia. I had that poster, too! In hung in the living room of my first college apartment for the longest time. Oh, student union poster sales.

I had Danae over my bed for the longest time.

http://raysweb.net/making_mandalas/images/04_klimt_danae.jpg

Because damnit I was in college, and nobody could tell me not to have naked ladies on my walls!

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:20 (nineteen years ago)

Thighs kill thread? That can't be right.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

Posters 3/4s of the dorm rooms at my college:

http://members.tripod.com/~aarrrggghhh/images/bdc2thn.jpg

http://www.vinyltap.co.uk/gallery/mi/milesec4979628666668050.jpg

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:40 (nineteen years ago)

yep. I had the Miles poster, too, only that was after college, and it was one of those super-gigantor size.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:41 (nineteen years ago)

what's the first Tripod image poster?

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

The Cure, "Boys Don't Cry" - also subway-poster size.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:44 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha omg my roommate had that. WE ALL HAD ALL THE SAME POSTERS. COINCIDENCE?

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:45 (nineteen years ago)

Actually prolly not, since all these posters travelled the country from one student union to the next. Anyone who went to school from 1989-1995-ish prolly had the exact same posters.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:46 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.starstore.com/acatalog/Res-Dogs-C.jpg

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:47 (nineteen years ago)

I missed Reservoir Dogs by a year or two, the ones with a different actor and quote on each one.

I had a giant poster for The Primitives "Crash" and a tour poster for Everything But The Girl and, weirdly, since I wasn't a huge listener or fan of them, a Throwing Muses poster.

(haha kenan - xpost!)

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:49 (nineteen years ago)

There was a store in Greenwich Village, maybe it's still there, called French Kisses, and it had huge posters for all kinds of bands and movies, in all kinds of languages. Going there and getting those "rare" EBTG and Primitives posters was somehow a big deal for me back then.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:50 (nineteen years ago)

yeah the res dogs posters with the quotes on them were the cheeze. That one up there is pretty choice-looking, though, assuming you like the movie enough to own a poster of it. (Back then it didn't matter.)

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:51 (nineteen years ago)

Better a Klimt thigh above your bed than Chris Penn's face supersized.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

I dragged a Sonny Rollins poster through most of college. I think it's still rolled up in my closet.

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

Another old fave of mine: Pixies Surfer Rosa.

Yes, I have a thing for tittays.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

The poster that I taped up and tore down and taped back up the most was this huge PIXIES black and white band pic. It had a good life.

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

I had a bunch of photos of various bands/celebrities that I tore out of magazines and affixed to my dorm-room wall. Also some collages I made. The only actual posters I can remember are for Metropolis and for Heavenly Creatures, though I think there must've been at least one more I'm forgetting.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

I didn't have any posters for the short time I lived in dorms, but I did have this poster in college, and still do:

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/a/a6/Sunny_Day_Real_Estate_-_Diary.jpg

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

weird, but i think we would have all known each other if we went to the same college. :)

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

Is anyone interested in Jedi Mind Tricks @ Sub-T tomorrow? I think m@tttt, K@tie and I are going and I'm uploading a YSI as I type this if anyone wants to hear 'em.

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

xpost That's not difficult when your college is only 1,200 people.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

I had lots of those little heavyweight square album promo posters too.

Oh, collages! For the longest time, I was carrying around boxes full of cuttings from mags, so I finally just cut them out further and made oversized collages and had them laminated. I remember having one of Veruca Salt and at least two of the Pumpkins, and one of Bjork...

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

I had some dumbass posters. A Beatles one that I eventually drew mustaches on and one that was like the cover of some dime pulp novel from the '50's. Both purchased at the on-campus "poster fair."

― n/a, Thursday, 5 April 2007 18:59 (nineteen years ago)

I also had (and still have) a Bell's Oberon poster, a bunch of 3rica's photographs, a rad LFTRPLLR printed flyer... all of which I have yet to hang up despite the fact that we have lived in our new place for a year now.

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:04 (nineteen years ago)

It's funny to think of college kids now having giant Little Miss Sunshine and Me and You and Everyone We Know posters.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

I had the second of these two posters on my wall in 9th grade. The joke wore thin after a few months, though, so I threw it out.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

In case that link doesn't work: http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:eK8TyoFU0OUJ:www.goodeatsfanpage.com/Humor/brains_on_drugs.htm+%22famous+brains+on+drugs%22&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:06 (nineteen years ago)

I may have mentioned this before, in the context of Real Men Don't Eat Quiche.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:07 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.sdcd.com/B2B/jsp/app/images/Scans/568878.jpg

This one should have been a more popular poster when I was in college. The album was, anyway.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

do college kids have Little Miss Sunshine posters? Quelle triste.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:13 (nineteen years ago)

If I had it all to do over again, I'd put only oddly anachronistic posters on my wall. Like pictures of Bruce Lee and Farrah Faucet.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:15 (nineteen years ago)

Cure posters.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

I think Bruce Lee posters were relatively common!

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:17 (nineteen years ago)

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/CLASS/130-112%7EBruce-Lee-Posters.jpg

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:18 (nineteen years ago)

oh hell, i don't know, i only had alterna-friends.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

Ha ha

http://www.andyfreeberg.com/photos_mus/robert_smith.jpg

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:19 (nineteen years ago)

I just scoured through the Facebook photo albums of my college-age cousins. All I saw was a poster of some NASCAR driver and a "so not gonna happen"-style Miller Lite banner.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:21 (nineteen years ago)

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a334/NikkaLime/myspaced.jpg

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:23 (nineteen years ago)

I had a smaller poster of the cover of Morrissey's "Tomorrow" single, with him laying by the pool reading Variety.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.geocities.com/costelt/Lyrics/Moz_Singles/tomorrow.jpg

this one

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:24 (nineteen years ago)

In the same way that their songs are built to be played at Wenbley, (What's The Story?) Morning Glory is a really beautiful image for a giant poster. Be Here Now isn't, but I can picture that one at 4'x2' as well.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:25 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, would you put your arms around me? I won't tell anyone.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

i never thought of that eric, but there's something to it.

but oasis is a guilty pleasure, not a poster, everyone knows that!

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

jaymc, I would, but Oh, the pain in my arms.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:29 (nineteen years ago)

Oh c'mon, it's the one thing that you never do!

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:30 (nineteen years ago)

http://i.thefairest.info/cutest_thumbs/WSvdu6.jpeg

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:31 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone heard this new noisy Nick Cave band, Grinderman? Interesting to compare and contrast with the new Stooges. I like "No Pussy Blues".

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

Oooooh

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

I read an interview with Robert Smith in which he delivers a little Morriseyhate for that poster.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

I don't feel I can actually listen to Nick Cave because that was so Maddie's thing. Not because of any ill will, but because I would feel like I was intruding almost.

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:36 (nineteen years ago)

I read an interview with Robert Smith in which he delivers a little Morriseyhate for that poster.

lol @ the irony impaired.

I love that picture. It's so Morrissey because it's so n ot.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:40 (nineteen years ago)

Is that Morrissey looking like Robert Smith up there? He looks like David Lynch too.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:41 (nineteen years ago)

i think it's just plain Robert Smith

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:42 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think there's anything Morrissey could do that RS wouldn't (have) hate(d). Same with Siouxsie, until they did the AWFUL duet.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

That's plain old Robert Smith, but I can see the David Lynch resemblance.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

"No Pussy Blues" is def. the best song on that album, but it's pretty great. It's currently the second-ranked single this year on the Stylus Singles Jukebox.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:47 (nineteen years ago)

Robert Smith is supposedly guesting on the new Ashlee Simpson album.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

Whoa.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

The poster that lived with me the longest was a Soundgarden poster that featured a shirtless, long-haired Chris Cornell sort of looking like he does here:

http://991.com/newgallery/Soundgarden-Hands-All-Over-57796.jpg

So it was really more of a Chris Cornell poster than a Soundgarden poster but it was from the Louder Than Love/Bad Motorfinger era so... yeah. It was pretty much record people exploiting Chris Cornell and ignoring the rest of the band, which was fine with me. I wish I still had that poster.

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

That was during my long-haired dirty looking scrawny boy phase, natch.

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:54 (nineteen years ago)

xxpost News here.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

ew. A body only masonic boom could love.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:55 (nineteen years ago)

LOL. I was going to say something about "dirty dronerock boys," too.

Kim Thayil looks like Charles Manson there.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:56 (nineteen years ago)

I need to listen to Badmotorfinger

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

OK, not Manson, but freaky nonetheless.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 19:59 (nineteen years ago)

Other healthier-looking dudes in Jenny's all time hotness rock and roll star hall of fame:

Robert Plant

http://theresalduncan.typepad.com/witostaircase/images/robert_plant02_2.jpg

David Gilmour

http://encyclopedia.quickseek.com/images/Gilmour2.jpg

But not when they got any older. Yikes.

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:02 (nineteen years ago)

That thread needs some @m@nd@... wasn't she doing the scat-dat-skiddeley bop doo wow thing a while back?

-- dan m, Thursday, April 5, 2007 10:55 AM (4 hours ago)
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Or not I guess

-- dan m, Thursday, April 5, 2007 11:04 AM (3 hours ago)
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Demanda your manda.

-- Eazy, Thursday, April 5, 2007 11:06 AM (3 hours ago)
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Scoobity bopbopbopbopbopbop shooWAH skeedlyskeedly WAH! Doo WAH! Yeah

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:03 (nineteen years ago)

HI DERE

http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz1228outcome2.jpg

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

Nice job, Amanda! Have a photo of David Gilmour:

http://www.getthatsound.com/General%20Assets/Images/DavidGilmour.jpg

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

also yum d. gilmour THANKYOO

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

dang that guy is goodlookin'

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

I know right!??!?!?!?!

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:05 (nineteen years ago)

He was in Pink Floyd, right?

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

mother of pearl he is one good lookin' dude.

hey i am bringing snax to swap tonight

1) wine (red)
2) crackers
3) cheese (brie)
4) licorice for jenny and whoever else wants it yes the best licorice ever it is as tasty as d. gilmour is good-lookin'.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:06 (nineteen years ago)

not snax that i intend to swap, but to the swap so we can eat them while we swap

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

The bonus question is: what does Jenny think of Jim Morrison?

Wow, I've never seen David Gilmour pre-late-1980s Floyd.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

swap swap swap

beedly BOPBOPBOP

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

Whaaaaaaaaaaaa? No love for Nick Mason or Roger Waters?

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:07 (nineteen years ago)

i always thought that young syd barrett was super cute too

oooh and Paris 1979 era Cale

mm classic rock

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.muzika.hr/images/Rubrika_21/20060715_syd_barrett.jpg

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:08 (nineteen years ago)

in a crazy-dude way. i should have amended that.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

oops that not the name of the album
paris 1919

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:10 (nineteen years ago)

hiya white suit and long face
http://static.rateyourmusic.com/album_images/8544.jpg

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:11 (nineteen years ago)

they kind of look alike. i also want to say that generally i DO NOT like long hair on the mens, but i make exception for young d. gilmour.

anyway, i am giddy because i have THREEEEEE days off in a row. starting NOW.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.getthatsound.com/General%20Assets/Images/DavidGilmour.jpg

omg it's JEFF

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

in a WIG

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

with a GUITAR

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

and an ELBOW

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:15 (nineteen years ago)

OK I don't really think that looks like Jeff, personally.

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:17 (nineteen years ago)

I don't either, really. Maybe the coloring and the smirk. That Sox dude, though? Doppelganger.

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:18 (nineteen years ago)

I see a billboard with that dude all the time. Buehrle? Is that his name?

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

haha yeah

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/players/10/04/first.person1010/t1_buehrle.jpg

Lil less beard-o in that pic howevs.

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:21 (nineteen years ago)

dudes who look like jeff: a look back

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

Jeff should play baseball.

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:22 (nineteen years ago)

I don't like long hair at all.

I'm off to get a haircut right now.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Bye.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Seriously. I'm outta here.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

I'm excited about the snacks (and the swap!). I feel like I never spend time with womenfolk (except my coworkers, who shouldn't count).

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:23 (nineteen years ago)

Way to go with all those xposts, Jessepants.

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

What Bible movie are we watching this Easter, guys?

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:24 (nineteen years ago)

The only womenfolk I spend time around do not speak very good English. (Aside from coworkers, who I have begun to chum around with a little more.)

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:25 (nineteen years ago)

Your coworkers can count then.

Today our lunch convo was about where each coworker is buying their latest condo/apartment building investment. One (the only) guy is almost five years younger than I am and has several already. Then they trashed renters for a long time. Oh, silly renters.

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

I think the Wayan's next project should be "Bible Movie"

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm glad you're in a good mood, Amanda. I need a dose of hyperactivity.

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:28 (nineteen years ago)

What Bible movie are we watching this Easter, guys?

Did you get an invite to my K@tie's party? Just checking, I gave her all ya'lls email addys.

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:29 (nineteen years ago)

What Bible movie are we watching this Easter, guys?

Hahaha, no.

I usually get my hair cut only every four months, but Leanne didn't do much last time (late January?), and it's getting ridiculous now, so I just made an appointment for next weekend.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

hahaha "my" K@tie... oops

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:30 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think I got that invite.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:31 (nineteen years ago)

I let K@tie cut my hair. I have enough nappiness and curl that it all looks the same in 2 weeks regardless. This way I always have a new, fun, and asymmetric dynamic to my head that makes me look like a Eurotrash soccer player.

― mattttt, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:33 (nineteen years ago)

i did not get that evite, either. which day is it?

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:35 (nineteen years ago)

I just had the most amazing piece of chocolate: organic dark chocolate from Rococo, with chili pepper. It's HOT.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:36 (nineteen years ago)

it's hot but you don't want to drink any water, because that would wash the flavor out of your mouth!

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:40 (nineteen years ago)

I thought I posted this awhile ago but I guess it didn't take:

http://www.spin.com/features/news/images/2006/07/060726_chriscornell.jpg http://www.felixthecat.com/IMG/news/ethan%2520hawke%2520rs%2520logo.jpg

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

Dudes I sent the info again, it's not an actual EVITE which may have been part of the problem.

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:41 (nineteen years ago)

what's the second photo you posted?

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:44 (nineteen years ago)

Before (above) and
After:
http://img.citypages.com/imagebank/articles/27_1345/27_1345a14709_p.jpg

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:49 (nineteen years ago)

i don't believe in evites, but apparently haven't yet mastered gmail either, from the looks of it. also, my haircuts are one of a kind.

― sisut, Thursday, 5 April 2007 20:59 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, it was Ethan Hawke looking Chris Cornelly.

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:01 (nineteen years ago)

I am leaving in 45 min to play percussion with a folk-pop singer on a public access television.

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:02 (nineteen years ago)

Have fun!

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:11 (nineteen years ago)

auf wiedersehen

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

adeu adeu to you and you and you

My 14 year old cousin found the band/me on myspace. The little ladeez seem to love 'em.

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:13 (nineteen years ago)

i leave and heave a sigh to say good bye

good BYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYE

― La Lechera, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:14 (nineteen years ago)

He says, "hey im comin to ur weddin!
cant wait to see u"

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:15 (nineteen years ago)

lol

im in ur weddin
eatin ur cake

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:17 (nineteen years ago)

Hey jaymc, I don't know why I never made the connection before, but do you write for the Styls Singles Jukebox thing? Because I really like some of your recent blurbs if thats you (especially the recent Wilco and Brand New ones).

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:21 (nineteen years ago)

IM from an editor on Wall Street I'm working with today:

k the page is still down
if u could wait a lil bit that would be great

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.lazydork.com/movies/officespace.jpg

― Jordan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:22 (nineteen years ago)

HA!

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:23 (nineteen years ago)

ttfn

― KitCat, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:25 (nineteen years ago)

khanasta on gaper's block transmission today.

― Jeff, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:27 (nineteen years ago)

I can see the David Gilmour/Jeff resemblance from the second pic. They both have boyish faces.

http://www.getthatsound.com/General%20Assets/Images/DavidGilmour.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/1/1060179_ae1b491d83_o.jpg

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:45 (nineteen years ago)

Jim Morrison never did it for me. I think it was the bad poetry. Roger Waters is too whiny. I am neutral about Nick Mason.

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:49 (nineteen years ago)

jenny_rockstar_crush.xls

― Jenny, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:51 (nineteen years ago)

Jim Morrison never did it for me.

I'm sure if you would have asked...

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

I just picked Mason and Waters because they are weird-looking. Or were, at least.

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 21:52 (nineteen years ago)

Drunk at work! YAYAAYAYAYAYYA

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

And yup, Jon, that's me.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:34 (nineteen years ago)

what xposts, sarah?

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:39 (nineteen years ago)

i got my hair cut.

I don't know HOW you can go 4 MONTHS without a haircut!! I can barely make it 3 weeks. Actually, this time it was 1 month and I was going crazy.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

They plied me with wine.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

You've seen my hair, Jesse.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:42 (nineteen years ago)

Also, I'm not a fan of paying $40 for a haircut every month.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:43 (nineteen years ago)

who the fuck is nick mason?

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

i need a cigarette and/or food.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:44 (nineteen years ago)

There's no reason to pay $40. Go to Gabby's--$14, plus I give her a $4 tip. And I get compliments.

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:48 (nineteen years ago)

Watch out for Hubbard Street when you're drunk at work, J.; you could get into trouble.

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

My hair is precious.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Why, Eric, are there potholes? I don't usually need to go past Hubbard. I walk down La Salle to Kinzie, and then take that over to Wells for the train at Merch Mart.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:51 (nineteen years ago)

Nick Mason was/is Pink Floyd's drummer.

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:53 (nineteen years ago)

Moral potholes!

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

He also had some pretty awesome facial hair back in the day, and a funny elfin hat that many similar-era Brit rockers fancied.

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:54 (nineteen years ago)

david gilmour i know. syd barrett i know. some other dude i know. roger waters. i have never heard of nick mason in my young life.

moral potholes?? are there young ladies scampering about?

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:57 (nineteen years ago)

i have been asked to assist with updating the "rock music" articles in le encylopedia. it is interesting. i can't say too much, though.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 22:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm addicted to Podcasts! Since I got my new iPod, they're all I've listened to. And all from NPR/CPR. A couple of times I tried to listen to music, but that didn't work when I had the sweet melodious purr of Terry Gross' voice to compare it to. Before I got this iPod, I never listened to them at all.

The only problem is that these podcasts are cutting into my reading.

Recommend some good ones for me?

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

I listen to the following podcasts on a weekly basis:

Sound Opinions
This American Life
LOST Official Podcast

THE END

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:00 (nineteen years ago)

No one ever cares about the drummer in a band like Pink Floyd. So it goes.

The Ricky Gervais ones are good, Jesse, I think I have most of them saved.

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:01 (nineteen years ago)

the dude in charge of the rock music articles dropped roger mcguinn's name. i had to be all like "shit why do i know that name? oh wait i think he was in the byrds."

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

dan i appreciate yr drumming.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:03 (nineteen years ago)

is this american life still good? i got out of the habit of listening to it a long time ago, but i should probably start listening again.

― JuliaA, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:05 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Thanks!

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

BTW I am not really a Floyd fan

― dan m, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:11 (nineteen years ago)

yeah i got out of the habit, too! but yeah it is still good, sometimes.

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:12 (nineteen years ago)

I listen to:
This American Life
SModcast (Kevin Smith podcast)
Wait... Wait Don't Tell Me
Dwell Magazine
KEXP Live Performances
KEXP Music That Matters
Dead Cast (get my weekly hippie on)

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

I already to TAL and Fresh Air (With Terry Gross!). I also have some kind of Joe Frank thing from WNYC. What was that Word Jazz thing that comes on CPR late on Sunday? I want to start that.

Video podcasts??

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:16 (nineteen years ago)

I look nothing like that guy.

I ran into the same secretary twice today in between the elevator banks. Our conversation:

Sec: What movie star do they say you look like?
Me: Who? I don't look like anybody.
Sec: You do, I just can't remember who.
Me: Okay.

A little later, she came into the attorney's office where I was working

Sec: Oh, you look nothing like my boss, but you do look like a famous person. I just can't remember who.
Me: I don't know.
Sec: That's a nice beard, did you do that yourself?
Me: Do what? Grow it? Yes, all me.
Sec: No, trim it. It's very nice (I only trim or shave every 3 or so days, and haphazardly at best).
Me: Yeah, I do that, all me.

Me:

― Jeff, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

Irritating shirt I saw today:

Baby cut, pink, with frilly letters:

GLAD TO BE A NORTHSIDE GIRL

THE **GOOD** SIDE OF CHICAGO

― Jesse, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:19 (nineteen years ago)

LISTEN TO THE TREATMENT ON KCRW

― Eazy, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:21 (nineteen years ago)

Is that the Elvis Mitchell show?

― jaymc, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:31 (nineteen years ago)

jesse: i listen to wait wait don't tell me every week.

― kenan, Thursday, 5 April 2007 23:34 (nineteen years ago)

THAT IS THE ELVIS MITCHELL SHOW

And 'Bookworm' on KCRW too.

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 00:17 (nineteen years ago)

The Treatment had Tarantino on last week.

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 00:18 (nineteen years ago)

Nick Mason is unfairly vilified.

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 00:44 (nineteen years ago)

Speaking of simple drumming, the tv thing was cool. I played a snare drum, a cymbal, and a tambourine with my foot (meaning just the tambourine was with my foot, the other two were with my hands, before you ask). Poppy pop music.

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 00:50 (nineteen years ago)

I'm going to try iTunes again.

― Jeff, Friday, 6 April 2007 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

CHILX Ladiez just hung out and you weren't there. Unless you were. And if you were, you know what fun was had.

Goodnight.

― La Lechera, Friday, 6 April 2007 03:54 (nineteen years ago)

Fun was wicked had.

Podcasts:
All in the Mind
Radio Lab

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 03:57 (nineteen years ago)

http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/tt
http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 05:35 (nineteen years ago)

what xposts, sarah?
Jesse, you just kept posting really fast, one after the other, so I kept hitting submit but getting the 'Hey, someone posted this while you were submitting...'

Yes, last night was fun!
It would have been even more fun had I not spent over 30 minutes trying to find somewhere to park and then having the worst time trying to parallel park on the left side of the street. ARUGULA! (I thought Courtney was coming, but I guess she went to the play with Jesse??)

Jesse, sorry Kathleen was still sick. Did you stay anyway?

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

ALSO, Nice video, JOHN! We had a group viewing last night.

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 13:20 (nineteen years ago)

I'm staying away from podcasts, I really hate not having anything to do with my eyes on the train and at least with music I can still read. Maybe if I spent more time cleaning house, I could listen then...oh yeah, that's hilarious.

― Laurel, Friday, 6 April 2007 13:22 (nineteen years ago)

I close my eyes.

― Jeff, Friday, 6 April 2007 13:30 (nineteen years ago)

So tired. Luckily I only have to stay awake for four hours!

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 13:41 (nineteen years ago)

I actually feel NOT-brain dead for the first time this week. And it's Friday! Not bad.

― Laurel, Friday, 6 April 2007 13:55 (nineteen years ago)

Where did John post the video? I missed it. I'm guessing it's on youtube?

I had one of those days where I got up and drove to work only to find that our internet at the office was out and they were sending us home to work from there.

― n/a, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

xpost Yeah, but I'm always disappointed when I finally get my constitution together and feel like tearing into work, and then I realize it's Friday and FUCK I wasted the rest of the week.

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:07 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, you saw Grindhouse, right? Gimme a capsule review. Not that that'll stop me from seeing it.

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

I finna see that tonight.

I just impulse-bought a DOOM METAL cd online.

http://www.zebulonpike.com/images/TDT_Cover.jpg

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:10 (nineteen years ago)

Haha, I am totally in the grip of powerpop after last weekend and just ordered a bunch of compilations from Amazon Used-thingy to get my fix. Party will be at my house, apparently.

― Laurel, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:11 (nineteen years ago)

I wrote a capsule review on the Grindhouse thread, but not the one that's on new answers today ... the other one. You might have to search for it. Basically: Rodriguez's half = INCREDIBLY gorey but entertaining, Tarantino's half = good action sequences and Kurt Russellness but way way way too much pointless talking.

Laurel, do you have the Yellow Pills: Prefill comp on Numero Group? That is an awesome powerpop comp.

― n/a, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

i'm a tiny bit unclear as to what powerpop is. I'm sure I listen to it, I just don't know which bits to call powerpop.

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:13 (nineteen years ago)

Nick, that's one of them!! Also the vol II of UK DIY (already have vol I) and uh The Roots of Powerpop, IIRC.

― Laurel, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:17 (nineteen years ago)

this rekkid is making me very happy lately

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:19 (nineteen years ago)

Kenan, that line-up does look good. I can only handle one catch-up foray at a time, though.

― Laurel, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:22 (nineteen years ago)

All is answered here.

"Chiming guitars". "Shine"
by these guys (friends from college) has all the staples of the genre.

Are you listening to old or current stuff, Laurel?

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:23 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, all old. With some exceptions I don't like the super-polished bubblegum sound that much and the old stuff is closer to other things I already love.

― Laurel, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

eric, thanks. Why didn't I think to ask wiki?

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

I came across it there sometime in the last few weeks, so it was still fresh in my head. I'd never known where the name came from before that.

(I feel like we're in a bar and you asked Laurel a question and I totally got in the way. "I was asking her a question.")

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

nah, i was asking anybody... laurel, nick... where's kevin?

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:33 (nineteen years ago)

Kevin is in Chicago! I think he's recovered/ing from the long weekend but you'd have to ask him.

― Laurel, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

I just downloaded a gospel-funk album from Numero Group.

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:42 (nineteen years ago)

Is that a comp too? I think I have that one on the computer though I haven't listened to it in a while. I should though. Numero Group is good though honestly I'm more interested in their releases outside of the soul genre (which is their main focus). I never heard the female folk singers one, that one looked interesting.

― n/a, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:44 (nineteen years ago)

Ooh.

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, it's a comp. I just go onto the Sound Opinions message board, and people put up whole albums for download through Sendspace or whatever, so I just take whatever looks interesting.

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

ooh... I didn't know those shenanigans were going on there! Sounds like a reason to visit.

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:46 (nineteen years ago)

Laurel, I LOVE LOVE LOVE the Prefill comp. You chose wisely.

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

Good! It will be my spring soundtrack, I suspect.

― Laurel, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:49 (nineteen years ago)

*makes note*

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

I think the Village North is the right place to see Grindhouse.

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 14:58 (nineteen years ago)

Is that the one by my house?

― La Lechera, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

On Sheridan?

― La Lechera, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:00 (nineteen years ago)

ooh... I didn't know those shenanigans were going on there! Sounds like a reason to visit.

Look for any threads titled "trout" or "fish" (which is their code to throw off the RIAA). I think there's two main threads: one just for 2007 albums and another for old stuff.

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:01 (nineteen years ago)

Yes, yes. When I saw Eyes Wide Shut there, there were little kids running up and down the aisles. A little mold and a little weed in the air.

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

I've never smelled weed there! We go there all the time. You can get in for $5 if you have a student ID.

― La Lechera, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:02 (nineteen years ago)

Maybe I'm romanticizing the dollar Tuesdays there back in the day. Anyway, it's showing at 12:45...

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:04 (nineteen years ago)

Code to throw off the RIAA? That's cute that they think that will matter.

― Jeff, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

Right by your grindhouse, Amanda?

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:05 (nineteen years ago)

I mean, the funniest thing that ever happened there was that we went to see "Meet the Fockers" and the kid who was ripping tickets said " 'Meet the Peoples' is up thataway." It's the cheapest first-run theater AND it's within walking distance, so we'll see all sorts of crappy movies there just because they're there.

xp Exactly, right by MY grindhouse.

― La Lechera, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:06 (nineteen years ago)

When I lived on Winnemac I went up there to see Very Bad Things, Snake Eyes, Dark City...

The other Village (at Clark/North) closed last week. I liked that place.

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:10 (nineteen years ago)

Who do I know that's in San Francisco right now? I got a text message late last night (I heard it beep as I was falling asleep), and when I checked it this morning, it was a 773 number I didn't recognize, and it said "I just saw a guy who looks exactly like you, walking on Market St. in SF ... spooky!"

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:18 (nineteen years ago)

Could be a wrong number, I guess.

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:20 (nineteen years ago)

Dear san francisco bros?

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

T minus 2 hours!

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:31 (nineteen years ago)

Happy dance!

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:42 (nineteen years ago)

OK this makes me really fucking sad

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/04/06/superior.warming.ap/index.html

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

We should have seceded in the 70s. Don't make me cry on fridays, Dan.

― sisut, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

you know, jenny is otm about having a crush on robert plant.

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:12 (nineteen years ago)

Damn right I am.

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:19 (nineteen years ago)

I think I just made an executive decision to leave work early today because nobody is here, I have nothing to do, and Jesus didn't die on the cross so I could sit here with my thumb up my ass until 5 pm, nawmean?

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Excellent decision. I may do the same, though I think most of us socialist liberals are here today...

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

putting your thumb up your ass is a sin, and jesus would be unhappy with you for that.

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

God I wish I could leave early. Our phone hasn't rang all day, our building is empty, and none of the clients I'm trying to call are in the office. Pointless ass-sitting will be the name of my game for the rest of the day.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

I'm out of here asap, but if that's not until 5, that's ok, too. I'm rested and caffeinated.

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:23 (nineteen years ago)

I hope all the observant Jews and Christians appreciate us heathens' willingness to work on high holy days and keep the gears of capitalism turning in their pious absence.

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:25 (nineteen years ago)

I don't think they do.

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:26 (nineteen years ago)

I'm so very hungry, but I was so lazy this morning that I only brought an apple for lunch. WTF?!

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:27 (nineteen years ago)

It is rolling around my desk laughing at me.

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

ROTDL

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:28 (nineteen years ago)

...is the new LOLZ

― Laurel, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:29 (nineteen years ago)

ROTDLMAO = Rolling on the desk laughing my apple off

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:31 (nineteen years ago)

dirty.

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

Who's coming to the Beat Kitchen tonight to get a brand-new T-shirt?

http://canastamusic.com/graphics/redbluetshirts.gif

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:33 (nineteen years ago)

WTF, Sarah.

I'm starving, but I'm going to try and make it another hour + so I can eat a corned beef sandwich at home.

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:34 (nineteen years ago)

Those are nice shirts, John. Also! You are totally cute in the video. Why are you wearing a coat and scarf, though?

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:35 (nineteen years ago)

HA! YOU FOOOOOLS!!! I got permission to go home for lunch. Normally, I'm expected to always be in the office to answer the door, so I had to ask. My boss was like, Why? Are you feeling ok? SUCKAZ! Nick is making me lunch! HOOWAH!

Also, !

Also, !!!

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:36 (nineteen years ago)

She also asked, Does anyone else know how to open the door?

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

(She meant via the phone system, but it was still funny to me)

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:38 (nineteen years ago)

...so many sarcastic responses... ...brain overload...

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:39 (nineteen years ago)

Why are you wearing a coat and scarf, though?

We each brought several things to wear. The director liked the jacket on me. The scarf was my idea, although in retrospect it may not have been smart, since I had to keep it in the same position for 6 hours.

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:43 (nineteen years ago)

I can technically leave at 1:30, but I think I'm going to work another hour, because my drunken shenanigans yesterday didn't leave me much time to complete this stack of work on my desk.

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:45 (nineteen years ago)

John - the video is awesome! A good simple concept worked out effectively. I approve.

― n/a, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:49 (nineteen years ago)

There are some instruments missing on the shirt, though.

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:51 (nineteen years ago)

The trumpet?

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

The shirt shows all of our *main* instruments. Matt only plays bass on like five songs and trombone on only two, so he gets a microphone.

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:53 (nineteen years ago)

Touche.

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 16:54 (nineteen years ago)

I couldn't not eat. A co-worker was trying to explain something to me and I realized I wanted to kill them so that they would stop talking, and I figured I had better eat something fast. That bag of mixed nuts saved someone's life.

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:01 (nineteen years ago)

yep. Same thing here. No food = asshole. No food + coffee = delayed asshole action, but a faster decent into assholism.

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:03 (nineteen years ago)

A co-worker was trying to explain something to me and I realized I wanted to kill them so that they would stop talking

If eating is what it takes to resolve that feeling, I am going to be 400 pounds in about two months.

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:10 (nineteen years ago)

In case anyone wants to join, Sunday night I'll be returning to a secret Wrigleyville bar where they show The Sopranos. Beer specials too -- $3 Stellas, things like that.

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:11 (nineteen years ago)

Do we just wander around Clark St. between Addison and Belmont hollering your name or what?

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Leave a trail or discarded bras and we'll follow it to the secret location.

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

Trail OF!

You will know Eric by the trail of discarded bras.

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:18 (nineteen years ago)

I had brought some veggies and the last of my parsley-green hummus for lunch but then a coworker gave me a chunk of his homemade bratwurst and now I am in heaven... dude knows what he's doing.

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

YSI me some bratwurst.

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:19 (nineteen years ago)

I would eat all this trail of discarded bratwurst

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:25 (nineteen years ago)

Discarding this bratwurst would have been a crime. Not too fatty, the dude actually said he purposefully too little. It was slightly dry but easily fixed with a little blob of mustard... great smoked flavor. I want more.

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:32 (nineteen years ago)

purposefully used too little

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:33 (nineteen years ago)

Aaaaaaaaaaaaand I'm out. Stay Jesus, Chicago.

― Jordan, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:34 (nineteen years ago)

It was after watching one of last season's Sopranos episodes that I found that brassiere, the moment immortally captured by Jenny's illustration.

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:36 (nineteen years ago)

ok, i'm going in a little bit to buy a ticket to the 7:00 showing of Grindhouse at 600 N Michigan. Should I get more than one? Anyone? Anyone?

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Going to a birthday to-do tonight or I would.

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:38 (nineteen years ago)

Me too, except it's Jedi Mind Tricks at Subterranean.

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:40 (nineteen years ago)

I had no idea a reckless records was opening at 26 e madison.

― Jeff, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:42 (nineteen years ago)

I've now read three reviews of this movie, and two of them wondered if the movie will find an audience. I'm like... uh... is your finger not on the pulse, or what?

― kenan, Friday, 6 April 2007 17:57 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry, I just send all of you guys MySpace and Facebook invites.

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

*sent

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:12 (nineteen years ago)

(It's mostly to make me feel like I've done my part.)

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:14 (nineteen years ago)

This Battles disc is the only thing keeping me sane this afternoon.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:18 (nineteen years ago)

I've got my whole library on shuffle. I think it's good to listen to music this way from time to time, if a little disjointed. It makes me remember albums I haven't heard in a long time and then revisit them.

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:31 (nineteen years ago)

I like the giant random list. There is no way that I have listened to every song on my hard drive.

― Jeff, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:37 (nineteen years ago)

I'd like to pick through that sometime if possible. I probably don't have much to offer in return that you haven't already got.

Heard the new 65daysofstatic?

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:42 (nineteen years ago)

Anyone want to go to Hot Doug's in like an hour?

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:53 (nineteen years ago)

I hate you all, I'm never going to get to go to Hot Doug's again.

― Jeff, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:55 (nineteen years ago)

Why?

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Is today the last day it's open?

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:56 (nineteen years ago)

Wait, what?

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 18:57 (nineteen years ago)

This is how terrible rumors get started! Hot Doug's is not closing! Jeff is just sad that he has yet to return to Hot Doug's after our inaugural visit in 2003.

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:01 (nineteen years ago)

I've only been there once! It was the capstone of a bike ride I went on in July 2005.

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:05 (nineteen years ago)

WHEW

I'd like to go but I have this work thing to finish up. We should all go on some Saturday, so Jeff can get his fix!

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:11 (nineteen years ago)

There is this Korean guy waiting for someone who works in the other company. Despite a huge language barrier, he has communicated to me that:
a) he has met many, many Sarahs in the United States
b) women take a long time in the bathroom
c) he likes to take bus tours and sleep on the bus and then get out take as many pictuers as he can as quickly as he can

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:16 (nineteen years ago)

Aw. He just said that this year is the year of two pigs, which means extra lucky and wealth, and alot of Korean couples are getting married this year in particular for that reason.

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:22 (nineteen years ago)

I guess you guys are all frolicking in the sun eating hot dogs.

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

I wish! Instead I am sitting in my chair LaTeXing manuscripts. ;_;

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:26 (nineteen years ago)

I am waiting waiting waiting for 3 pm to come so I can get the f out of here. It's too cold to frolic.

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, sending purchase orders over here, I'm afraid.

― Laurel, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:27 (nineteen years ago)

Sarah, is it okay if I take two of the awesome skirts you gave me and refashion them into one MEGA AWESOME skirt? Or is that an abuse of your generosity?

― Jenny, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:28 (nineteen years ago)

I'm still here at work but only because I'm listening to the latest L O S T podcast.

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:32 (nineteen years ago)

1st: people don't do this to me wrt Hot Doug's closing rumors. my heart can't take it!

2nd: are we going to Hot Doug's?

― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:33 (nineteen years ago)

I can't leave work until 4, and they close right after, so I can't make it. I totally think a Saturday date would be fun, though... There's a park nearby we could all go to instead of cramming into the place.

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:34 (nineteen years ago)

yesyesyesyesyes this Saturday hot doug's who's in? (I guess that would be tomorrow?)

― horseshoe, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:35 (nineteen years ago)

I could do it. What time were were going to jamminate tomorrow, dudes?

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:38 (nineteen years ago)

Jenny, that is not abuse, and you have my support. If it weren't for you, they would both be sitting in a bag in an alley.

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:39 (nineteen years ago)

I have found this week that it is very, very easy to please an older man.
One guy on the phone asked if I realized how cute I am when I use the word 'actually.' Another guy, after shaking hands with my boss said, "This girl up front gave me a Coke. That was sooo sweet of her." Then an oldie just now did something similar, insisting I don't go out of my way to get him a bottled water when he can just drink from the water fountain.

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

I'm too kind, ladies and gentlemen, too kind...

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:43 (nineteen years ago)

Is Julia around? I need to figure out where I can get frozen phyllo dough.

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:45 (nineteen years ago)

Nick and Ben are off doing band hijinks without me right now, because they are both out of work for the weekend. :-(

― KitCat, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

i would think you could get frozen phyllo dough at most grocery stores...not sure though. i don't remember where i bought phyllo dough, i just have happy happy spanakopita-making memories.

― JuliaA, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:48 (nineteen years ago)

I checked at the Dominick's I usually go to, with no luck. I figured probably TJ's or the like if nothing else.

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:50 (nineteen years ago)

I was going to suggest jamming at like 12:30 or 1. We could go to Hot Doug's when we're done.

― jaymc, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:51 (nineteen years ago)

TJ's is probable.

after all, they have awesome awesome australian licorice that's the real stuff (thanks amanda!). i so love that store.

you could call and check--TJ's staff is really nice on the phone.

― JuliaA, Friday, 6 April 2007 19:53 (nineteen years ago)

Hahahaha everyone back home is fucked:

A WINTER STORM WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 2 PM THIS AFTERNOON TO 8 PM EDT SATURDAY.

LAKE EFFECT SNOW SHOWERS WILL BECOME MORE WIDESPREAD EARLY THIS AFTERNOON...THEN FALL HEAVY AT TIMES THROUGH SATURDAY MORNING. EXPECT ADDITIONAL SNOW ACCUMULATIONS OF 2 TO 3 INCHES THIS AFTERNOON. PLAN ON AN ADDITIONAL 8 TO 14 INCHES TONIGHT THROUGH LATE SATURDAY AFTERNOON WITH MUCH OF THAT FALLING TONIGHT THROUGH MID MORNING SATURDAY. EXPECT THE GREATEST SNOW AMOUNTS OVER THE HIGHER TERRAIN FROM TWIN LAKES TO PAINESDALE AND FROM MOHAWK TO DELAWARE. GUSTY NORTH WINDS WILL ALSO CAUSE CONSIDERABLE BLOWING AND DRIFTING SNOW IN OPEN AREAS. VISIBILITIES WILL BRIEFLY DROP TO NEAR ZERO IN HEAVY SNOW AND BLOWING SNOW.

A WINTER STORM WARNING MEANS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNTS OF SNOW ARE EXPECTED OR OCCURRING. GUSTY WINDS ARE ALSO POSSIBLE. THIS WILL MAKE TRAVEL VERY HAZARDOUS OR IMPOSSIBLE.

(most noize weather alert ever)

This is in addition to the 36 inches that fell between like Tuesday and yesterday...

― dan m, Friday, 6 April 2007 20:19 (nineteen years ago)

I read about the crazy snow in Superior, WI.

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 20:32 (nineteen years ago)

Kathleen Turner did not come on for last night's performance! So Leslie, her friend Nina and I met Courtney and her co-workers at Sidebar for some wine and foods, then guess where L, N and I went?

― Jesse, Friday, 6 April 2007 21:37 (nineteen years ago)

Lucky Horshoe!

We tipped the boyez and drank some gin, then we went to the L&L and decided that it was overrun with hipsters and we would rather look at ugly strippers, so we did. Plus some guy gave me the oggling of a lifetime when we left the LH, and Leslie encouraged me to act on it, but he was gone when we returned.

― Jesse, Friday, 6 April 2007 21:39 (nineteen years ago)

Did you buy tix for last night or did you find out first?

― Eazy, Friday, 6 April 2007 22:17 (nineteen years ago)

We called. Twice. Leslie called on Wednesday and they said that she was not going to make the matinee, but she would go on in the evening. Then Thursday I called and they said she was going on. The facts are that she didn't go on Wednesday OR Thursday.

― Jesse, Friday, 6 April 2007 23:13 (nineteen years ago)

http://a614.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/1/s_bd8dd203f2010b47495dc63017e9e74d.jpg

― Jesse, Saturday, 7 April 2007 00:23 (nineteen years ago)

I decided to use one of my old skirts with one of my new Sarah skirts, et voila:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/212/448918167_20429d0d9d.jpg

Also, a headband, because Amanda said so:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/254/448918181_54e300d9bb.jpg

― Jenny, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:10 (nineteen years ago)

Wow, The Crow is a stunningly dumb movie. I don't understand why Eric is the one who got to come back to "right the wrong." He only got stabbed, shot, and tossed out a window. Shelly got gang raped, stabbed, and left to die a slow and agonizing death. If anybody deserved to come back and slowly pick off the bad guys with darkly poetic deaths, it's her.

― Jenny, Saturday, 7 April 2007 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry I didn't make it, guys. I got out of work at 3 and went to a co-worker's birthday and didn't want to show up intoxicated.

― Courtney M in Chicago, Saturday, 7 April 2007 02:21 (nineteen years ago)

Hi. Our car stereo got stolen tonight. Making this the second car stereo we've had stolen since moving to Chicago. At least this time they didn't break a window to get to it. I'm guessing they somehow jimmied the car door lock because I'm 95% percent sure that when we parked near Ben's house I checked to make sure the doors were locked. I'm not really sure why they picked our car to make the effort to break into, the stereo face was in the glove compartment and there wasn't anything else valuable-looking laying out that would have tempted them. So anyways, they got the stereo + the stereo face, as well as a booklet of CD-Rs, the keys to the practice space (though they have no way to know what these go to), and my bag, which fortunately didn't have much of value in it (my ipod case, earphones, my lyric notebook and the fliers we copied this afternoon). Losing another stereo is frustrating, but the worst thing is the feeling of helplessness and lost security. We didn't even bother calling the cops this time since last time they basically acted like we were wasting their time. Tomorrow I'll check and see if we have the receipt with the registration no. for the stereo on it, and if we do I might go in and file a claim at the police station.

Anyways, this may effect recording tomorrow, since I'll have to go pick up Ben's set of practice space keys to get us into the space. Though this probably won't be that big of a problem.

― n/a, Saturday, 7 April 2007 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

I bought this stereo for Sarah for her birthday. ;_;

― n/a, Saturday, 7 April 2007 03:36 (nineteen years ago)

Shit that sucks Nick, I'm sorry. Times like this I'm glad to have a shitty stock system in my car.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Saturday, 7 April 2007 05:36 (nineteen years ago)

I'm sorry too, but JVC OTM RE: stock system (with a broken volume knob in my case).

Jedi Mind Tricks was kinda crazy! Lots of people, multiple scuffles, including performers going after some crowd members who may or may not have dropped a bottle/glass on the stage!

― dan m, Saturday, 7 April 2007 06:43 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry dude. The sax player from the Kid J0rdan Second Line recently had his car stereo stolen too, window busted in and everything.

iTunes won't recognize my iPod all of a sudden, what the fuuuuuuuck.

― Jordan, Saturday, 7 April 2007 07:12 (nineteen years ago)

That sucks! They may have picked your car because it was easy to break into. I used to have an 84 Olds Cutlass Supreme that you open by looking at funny and people were always breaking into that car and stealing exactly nothing, because I had nothing in there to steal, and I still always felt very violated and creeped out.

― Jenny, Saturday, 7 April 2007 14:29 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I'm still up for recording today. Are others still interested? What time would be good? I'm free pretty much all day.

― n/a, Saturday, 7 April 2007 15:08 (nineteen years ago)

I suggested 12:30 or 1 because I'm taking Kr to Working Bikes at noon, when they open, and it'd be convenient for me to stay in that general area.

― jaymc, Saturday, 7 April 2007 15:09 (nineteen years ago)

I think 1:00 would be better for me because I'm going to have to drive to Ben's to pick up his practice space keys and I don't want to bug him too early.

― n/a, Saturday, 7 April 2007 15:15 (nineteen years ago)

OK.

― jaymc, Saturday, 7 April 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

I guess I'll try calling dan and eric in a little bit if they don['t turn up here. Sarah isn't going to come, she's got a prety bad cold.

― n/a, Saturday, 7 April 2007 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

ERRRRRGH. NEVERMIND. Ben is on his way to Milwaukee for the day. Hence I have no way to get into the practice space. Sorry dudes. I'll try calling john in case he already left.

― n/a, Saturday, 7 April 2007 15:59 (nineteen years ago)

I guess if anyone just wants to hang out they can give me a call. Sarah is sick and going to sleep so I don't really have anything to do now.

― n/a, Saturday, 7 April 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

I'm getting my hair cut at three so that's when I'll be out and/or about. I'll try to do all my work now and then see what's happening after I'm done at the groomers.

― Jenny, Saturday, 7 April 2007 16:22 (nineteen years ago)

Hey, no problem, Nick. I just stopped in at a Kinko's to check this because I was away from home/phone/ILX this morn. Sorry to hear about the car stereo and the sick gf, hope the plants realign soon.

― Eazy, Saturday, 7 April 2007 17:23 (nineteen years ago)

Postponing playing is no biggie... I suppose I could do my taxes :P

― dan m, Saturday, 7 April 2007 17:53 (nineteen years ago)

So I'm sure I've asked about this before, but how do you create a .zip file of a mix? With single albums, it's easy to just go into File and Create Archive. But obv. songs on a mix aren't in the same folder on my hard drive. Do I have to change the name of the album and say they're all on a compilation? I could do that, but then they won't show up on their original albums anymore. Anyone?

― jaymc, Saturday, 7 April 2007 20:13 (nineteen years ago)

Btw, Kr and I saw Jeff, Jesse, and Courtney at Hot Doug's just now. I got the Cajun pork sausage with swamp sauce, smoked gouda, and fried okra, but with a veggie dog substituted for the pork sausage. Kr got the bacon sausage special.

― jaymc, Saturday, 7 April 2007 20:14 (nineteen years ago)

I got the antelope sausage and the bacon sausage. I actually got the very last bacon sausage they had, so the poor sap behind me (Jesse) couldn't get one.

― Jeff, Saturday, 7 April 2007 20:39 (nineteen years ago)

nick, sorry to hear about your car, but weird, i saw ben last night at ronny's. we talked for a couple of minutes, i don't think he remembered meeting me before.

― chicago kevin, Sunday, 8 April 2007 03:23 (nineteen years ago)

Leah saw Ben last night at Ronny's, too.

― Eazy, Sunday, 8 April 2007 03:49 (nineteen years ago)

Big ham on tap for tomorrow.

― dan m, Sunday, 8 April 2007 06:05 (nineteen years ago)

3 parts Absolut Pears
1 Apple Pucker
spash sour mix

Over ice

shake

strain into artini glass

cherry garnish.

― Jesse, Sunday, 8 April 2007 07:14 (nineteen years ago)

Whaddyou call that?

― Eazy, Sunday, 8 April 2007 07:16 (nineteen years ago)

Reunite

over ice

― Eazy, Sunday, 8 April 2007 07:17 (nineteen years ago)

Rock shows can be so fucking dumb.

― Jordan, Sunday, 8 April 2007 07:45 (nineteen years ago)

(Show was originally four bands, one band breaks up and another cancels, two other bands fill in. Two touring bands play first (Bl4ck Fur and another band, both kinda sucked), then another band, then we don't go on until near 1 am. All bands play for like ten people, we only play 5 songs because it's so ridiculous. Then the original headlining band who broke up crashes and tries to get through a few songs. No one makes a dime.)

― Jordan, Sunday, 8 April 2007 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

An Alton Brown-style ham currently resides in my oven.

http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,1977,FOOD_9936_15538,00.html

― dan m, Sunday, 8 April 2007 15:22 (nineteen years ago)

Yum

That drink is a pear martini that we make at work. Courtney and I drank them last night at the HC. Tastes like pear nectar.

So I'm sure I've asked about this before, but how do you create a .zip file of a mix? With single albums, it's easy to just go into File and Create Archive. But obv. songs on a mix aren't in the same folder on my hard drive. Do I have to change the name of the album and say they're all on a compilation? I could do that, but then they won't show up on their original albums anymore. Anyone?

Someone should answer this since I can't remember either. PC users only, please.

― Jesse, Sunday, 8 April 2007 15:34 (nineteen years ago)

Think outside the box.

― Jeff, Sunday, 8 April 2007 15:58 (nineteen years ago)

I'm a Mac user.

― jaymc, Sunday, 8 April 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, sorry, Mac-only here too.

― Laurel, Sunday, 8 April 2007 16:04 (nineteen years ago)

Oh. Well answer for John's purposes then. Anyway, I think I fingered it out.

― Jesse, Sunday, 8 April 2007 16:11 (nineteen years ago)

I can't wait to see and taste that ham!! And smell it too, I'm sure. And touch, and hear it too--why not.

― Jesse, Sunday, 8 April 2007 16:13 (nineteen years ago)

John, I make a new folder on the desktop to hold the mix, then go to the iTunes library and highlight the song I want, then hit Command-R, which auto-opens the folder where the song is stored. Then I copy-drag the song to the mix folder. When all the songs are copied into the mix folder I usually just burn to CD but I think you could choose to Stuff it, too.

I'm pretty sure there's an easier way, Kenan will probably know.

― Laurel, Sunday, 8 April 2007 16:21 (nineteen years ago)

Alert: Jewel has Riunite Lambrusco. But only in the giant bottle, so I didn't get any because omg I am not drinking an entire bottle of Riunite Lambrusco by myself.

― Jenny, Sunday, 8 April 2007 21:06 (nineteen years ago)

Pussy.

― Laurel, Sunday, 8 April 2007 21:47 (nineteen years ago)

High five to your headband, Yenny! CUTE.

Weekend in Iowa was cooooooooold. We had an okay time. I drank some of the worst, weakest coffee to ever have been made -- it was so bad it tasted salty. It made me wince. But I had to pretend like it tasted good. I also drank some yummy homemade beer.

Hmmm what else. I spilled half a bottle of my favorite perfume oil on the bathroom floor. We would have scored 5+ pounds of venison if I had only remembered to get it out of the freezer on the way out of the house. I ate a Wendy's junior bacon cheeseburger for lunch today. In a nutshell, I am GLAD TO BE HOME, though sad to be sans wild game. :(

― La Lechera, Sunday, 8 April 2007 22:08 (nineteen years ago)

Thanks Laurel. That seems so intuitive, but somehow it never occurred to me.

― jaymc, Monday, 9 April 2007 01:53 (nineteen years ago)

No prob. I forget what the key command is for "copy-drag", though, and I'm on a pc at home so I can't verify. Alt?

― Laurel, Monday, 9 April 2007 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

I don't need a key command for that. I just highlight the song and drag it into the desktop folder.

Next question: How do I ensure the same track order? Do I copy the playlist's .xml file into the folder?

― jaymc, Monday, 9 April 2007 02:07 (nineteen years ago)

Uh, be careful -- if I've understood you correctly, you're moving the actual file to the new folder, removing it from the original place. Or at least that's what has happened to me when I've forgotten to hit the copy key. Check and make sure.

For track order, I usually re-name them with a numeral and hyphen before the title. I don't know of any other way.

― Laurel, Monday, 9 April 2007 02:18 (nineteen years ago)

So. much. leftover. ham.

― dan m, Monday, 9 April 2007 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

heh. We had an Easter Saturday w/ Julia's rents, and leftover ham this morning. I cubed it small and scrambled eggs with it. Delicious!

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 03:33 (nineteen years ago)

So, uh, is my Netf1x experience fairly typical? I just signed up almost two months ago now and there's been a fairly major drop in the turnaround time for my movies from the first to second month. The first month, I would get notification e-mails about movies being recieved and the next sent out (both a couple hours apart) the day after I dropped them in the mail. Every time, for that first month. Since then? I haven't had a single one get turned around in less than four business days? Is this just standard Netf1x operating procedure? Hook you in for that first month (consisting mainly of the free trial), then dropping the turnaround rates to snail speed?

If I'd known this, I might have thought twice about signing up. It's fairly annoying.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 9 April 2007 12:36 (nineteen years ago)

Yeah, people in film threads have complained about that too, Jon, but I've never noticed anything like it in over a year of service. I go through movie phases, though, and haven't returned my movies for a couple of months now, but for a while last year I was watching two or three a week and arrived regularly on time, occasionally a day later than I expected but no worries. Better luck in future.

― Laurel, Monday, 9 April 2007 13:19 (nineteen years ago)

I haven't had any netflix problems either. It's only slow when I pick a really obscure movie that they have to ship from some faraway center.

I found a Hollywood Video last night that has the Wire and binged out for five hours. Done with season 2 (which was awesome!).

― Jordan, Monday, 9 April 2007 13:52 (nineteen years ago)

I can't wait for Season 1 to get here. I also really need to watch the last Season of Sopranos so I can catch up to last night.

― jon /via/ chi 2.0, Monday, 9 April 2007 13:53 (nineteen years ago)

I suspect -- mind you, I cannot confirm this -- that if you're the kind of person who's dying to turn over 20 movies a month, you are not profitable for Netflix, and they will begin to delay your shipping time a bit so you can't take such terrible advantage of them. What they want is for you to pay $20 a month for two movies that you never return.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 13:58 (nineteen years ago)

Has anyone checked out what the Blockbuster online selection is like? Is it pretty much what you would see in the store (ie - gimme a break)? Are the movies censored? Etc.

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 13:59 (nineteen years ago)

Jordan, That show sounds bad, sorry. I've never played a supershort set just to get it over with, though I'm not 100% sure why, since those are the types of shows you don't get paid for anyway.

There was this club in Richmond my band used to play at that would schedule like 5 different bands for a Tuesday night, figuring at least one wouldn't show up. Then when we'd get there, they'd be like, oh, you guys have to figure out the lineup order. I was generally the rep for my band, going up against all these huge hardcore punk guys. And I don't remember ever getting paid for those...

My weekend was mostly horrific and I wish I could forget a huge chunk of it, though there were some up notes - hanging out with Ben & Amy Friday night before we discovered the stereo sadness, hanging out with Jeff & Jenny Saturday, and the awesome Easter brunch shindig yesterday. Cupcakes, pina coladas, Jesse stories, and a cute dog - oh my!

Jenny, I especially love that headband!

― KitCat, Monday, 9 April 2007 14:08 (nineteen years ago)

New thread for a new week

― kenan, Monday, 9 April 2007 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

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