LET'S HUG IT OUT, BITCH - The Entourage Season 3 Part II and Season 4 Thread.

someone tell me what there is to like about this show

what is likable about any of the characters?

well that was a dud, dud, dud. were there any laffs whatsoever? i like turtle + newygirl though.

y'know, I realize that even big stars only do one or two projects a year, and that the show would seem stupid if they showed Vince on the set of a different movie every week. but seriously, can they please let the guy get a damn job? i hope season 4 actually involves him signing onto something and following up Aquaman, because it's starting to get ridiculous.

dude vince working or not has nothing to do with the show.

i know, i know, that's kinda the point and all. but the hemming and hawing and insane contrivances just to keep the poor guy from doing or not doing Medillin are getting really tiresome. at this point Drama's career is way more interesting.

How old is Turtle's new girlfriend? I like her and all, but the fact that she seems like she's 16 creeps me out.

the actress is like 22, but yeah the whole protective father thing would seem to indicate that the character's supposed to be a big younger than that, and Turtle is like pushing 30. which is fine and all, but still skeezy given that this plot as being set up as Turtle's rare non-skeezy relationship.

So he's got the check for $60mn if he fucks Xenia Onatopp, but the previews show him going back to Adam Goldberg next week. Wonder if the money falls through or if they're just begging for more.

slightly losing faith in this show :(

new one tonite!

i just watched all three seasons in the last three weeks. this show is fucking great, but i'm going to miss getting to watch 2-3 new hours in a row.

lol @ cutty coming around on this thread.

is it the season finale tonight?

yeah but season four premiere is in two weeks.

naked midget right as E was reaching his boiling point = A++++

Arby's = A++++++++++

moral of next season = fuck artsy, vince. keep it cheesy.

I hope we get a lot of Adam Goldberg next season.

shitty things about this ep: very little ari, zero lloyd, turtle's new girl storyline abandoned, drama's ed hardy shirt.

awesome things about this ep: adam goldberg, ari's chopstick-dropping-wtf take, Shauna's lecture to drama, beating the pornstars-in-the-background thing to death and it still working, spanish bombshell at the end.

vince and drama's shirts were perfect douche baggery.

shitty things continued: setting Drama up for failure, E relationship dullness

awesome things: Debi Mazar, Adam Goldberg, "suit," Billy Walsh, cuet blonde porn star running lines with Vince, "Wally"s 25-picture deal

wikipedia synopsis for the s4 premiere is making me nervous, but i'm sure it'll be grate.

cuet blonde porn star running lines with Vince

OTM!!!

also, they could be setting Drama up for success, leading to tension in the vince/drama relationship now that he can be independent??

That sounds awfully challenging for this writing staff.

"i could fuck models for the rest of my life if i wanted to"

"i'm a singer"

"he keeps calling me 'trust-fund baby' and I think he's trying to imply he fucked my girlfriend"
cue awkward look from gf

Loved the look on Goldberg's girlfriend's face when they're in the convertible.

heh - xpost!

odds on Medillin going over-budget?

ugh, why did they have to bring annoying-ass Billy Walsh back? they ran through every IRL director they know so they have to go back to the show's one fictional director, more recycling from the writers of this show. next season's gonna suck if it's full of his nonsense.

i like the plotline of having to work with an asshole genius.

i mean, we never get to see his finished product so we have to believe that he does make great movies.

he IS queens boulevard.

i think he's fine.

I like this

don't like billy walsh much

Billy Walsh is hilarious in the doses we've been exposed to. I doubt he's in much more than the first couple of episodes next season.

this reminds me of another awesome: having Adam Goldberg drop the "I AM Queens Blvd" line

I doubt he's in much more than the first couple of episodes next season.

yeah, i take back what i said about medillin going over-budget being a plotline.

i bet we get to the medillin premiere in 2-3 eps. similar to the last three seasons.

no way. its going to be a season long fiasco.

chaki i wiash you were right, but you should read the synopses of the next two eps on wiki.

i wish you were right too.

awww shit

gardy or chaki could you link me to the wiki article. i cant find it.

also im going to try getting the title of this thread changed. season 3.5 and 4 or just 3.5?

season 3 pt 2 and season 4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Entourage_episodes#Season_4_.282007.29

thanks!

changed!

this was a good ep but details-wise: ok, adam goldberg comes up with $30m -- why is that the death of the $60m budget? with $30m guaranteed, a script by paul haggis, and the star of fuckin' 'aquaman', would it really be that hard to get a distribution deal from somewhere, or more finance? it's not *that* important but they dragged out the plotline one ep too long with the shitty russian mafia guy thing. (also: what kind of a trust fund starts at 35 and lets the trustee have unlimited funds at any time? whatever, goldberg is v funny so i guess it doesn't matter.) it was totally inevitable that billy walsh would direct this film.

i still think series two and ari's bid for independence from malcolm mcdowell was a more compelling plot but c'est la vie.

good: Adam Goldberg in rehab
bad: everything else

haha i liked it but yeah, adam goldberg = best 90 seconds of the whole thing.

as unfunny/uninteresting as this episode was (save adam goldberg), and as terrible an idea as it generally is to do an episode of any straight drama as a faux-documentary (West Wing, anyone?), I still find this show as watchable as ever, even though I know there isn't anything too terribly good about it.

I really liked the 30 seconds of <i>Medillin</i>, the scene with the soccer ball, that shows Billy's style, which could be as hyperkinetic and hit-or-miss as Oliver Stone's.

http://www.hbo.com/news/img/463x290/2007_06/entourage_joel_14328283_463.jpg

I hope that this photo from the Entourage premiere hints at future storylines. Like: Billy Joel, divorced and restless, moves in with the boys.

Also: liked Billy's little manual portable typewriter.

This was very good! "They got Stephen Fucking Gaghan?"! You are wrong if you don't agree with me! Deal with it!

the gaghan bit was funnny but would have been better w/o the docu format.

In unrelated news: I was re-screened by Cecil B. Demented last week, and Vinny Chase was in it (w/ D'Angelo Barksdale)! He was huffing all sorts of shit, and had a nice scruffy shadow that is much kinder to him than this clean-shaven shit he's been perpetrating recently.

my favorite gag was the increasingly psycho outfits billy was wearing

he ends up in a huge turban and long scarves i think

truuuuu

i dont know, the faux-doc thing was kind of stupid, but i guess i see how it was necessary. each season opens just as vince has finished shooting a movie, and right before its supposed to premiere. but the making of medillin is important to vinny and E's story so they need to show it, but at the same time they couldnt spend more than one ep in columbia.

colOmbia

I didn't mind the doc aspect, I just wanted it to be funnier. This show is terrible when it's not funny.

A comedy is bad when it isn't funny? THE HELL YOU SAY

is this show really considered a comedy? i thought it was more a drama with funny moments.

DUDE drama.

I like drama

it's a comedy with a character named Drama.

milo's comment might seem silly on the surface but it made total sense to me; some comedies still work during serious/emotional moments or plot movement take precedent over laffs-a-minute, but Entourage is not one of those shows.

i usually hate faux-docs but this was pretty good. the gaghan bit was funny. as ever the film vince is in looks shit, but i'm worried they'll make it a 'good film'.

I think it has to be at least a cult hit so that Vince can come back big by the end of the season.

lol at the Is That Something You Might be Interested In? book.

YES

I would read that!

this episode kind of sucked.

i loved it

best part: ari goosing mrs ari as they were getting into separate cars

it was pretty ok. an improvement on the last couple for sure.

loved goosing mrs ari.

also good:
- billy sitting with film canister waiting for them
- turtle's utterly satisfied response to reluctant tit-flashing

I just hope to god that they don't focus ENTIRELY on Medellin.

But they prolly will.

vince is going to need a new job, for money reasons...

i vaguely remember what happens from when i read the wikipedia spoilers, but i don't feel like going back.

Ari was gold again but everything else kind of sucked (except for stripper boobs).

Sloan RIP ;_;

I am liking nu-Entourage, but I'm easy. I was quite fond of Walsh's GF telling off his mom & stashing her cell phone in the band of her undies.

I was quite fond of Walsh's GF's ass.

cosign on that. this was a better ep -- all of ari but especially the dentist scene. sad about turtle's girlfriend. glad sloan's gone.

i really wouldnt be surprised if they're heading towards vince and e going broke and drama becoming crazy successful.

wait did we know about sloan or did they just kill that storyline? where is e living?

ditto for turtles girl?

e was at the hotel w/ vince

e and sloan are (dubiously, says ari) 'on a break'.

turtle's girl seems to have been written out.

Them writing off Turtle's girl has been the stupidest move they've made in the last two seasons.

especially since her dad has appeared a bunch of diff times

turtles girl and sloan were the two hottest girls on the show, too

Cannes: nice choice. On location in a week or two, I'm sure.

would have been funnier if turtle had his world rocked by the fat lady.

snoooze again

dennis hopper is a tit. but overall i prefer it now that they have a plot, to 3.2. i don't see how getting picked for cannes will up medellin's market value from $25m.

What were they going to do about Adam Goldberg w/ Harvey's $25mn?

He put up $35mn of his own money, Vince put in $5mn and E $250k, right? So how is a $25mn offer going to solve all their money problems?

the 100K bet thanks to Brazil!

What were they going to do about Adam Goldberg w/ Harvey's $25mn?

He put up $35mn of his own money, Vince put in $5mn and E $250k, right? So how is a $25mn offer going to solve all their money problems?

-- milo z, Wednesday, July 4, 2007 1:06 PM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Link

i was thinking the same thing. it doesnt make sense.

even if vince ans E break even/lose money but win in the long run from the movie being a hit... they still need to get AG his money back/make him some profit.

maybe it was just for US rights...?

also it will enable to get vince a paying studio job quickly.

do they need to pay him back? isnt it an investment, rather than a loan? if the movie tanks then no money back?

I think that movie investments work out so that AG owns the largest share of equity in the movie (though maybe not a full 85% or whatever the percentage works out as) - so he gets the lion's share of whatever deal they strike or profits are made at the box office.

(haha, I guess what I'm saying is that it should work like any other business investment. But maybe not. Everything I know I learned from that book by the sales agent for a bunch of early $500k-budget Sundance hits.)

BALLS

A twist worthy of M. Night hisself.

Yeah, maybe I'm just swayed by how hilarious the Shyamalan cameo was, but I think that might've been the best episode in a long time.

I'm thinking the key to the episode was the scene @ Drama's, where Turtle a) imitates Harvey and b) gets jumped by E right @ the end. Also, Ned Ryerson.

bing!

Did anyone catch that MEDELLIN teaser right before the episode? Are they actually gonna try that? Or did they do the same thing w/ AQUAMAN?

I saw that teaser and wondered the same thing. I don't remember them doing that with Aquaman though.

ned ryerson!

now that's nuts

The only Aquaman I remember is Vince standing on a pier in front of a tidal wave. I'm surprised at the number of viewer/bloggers/etc. who don't realize that they purposely make all of his projects look ridiculous.

Ari on Harvey was pretty good.

I'm surprised at the number of viewer/bloggers/etc. who don't realize that they purposely make all of his projects look ridiculous.

snarky milo z OTM.

is the medellin teaser available online anywhere?

yeah that was the best ep in ages.

i thought it was gonna be the script-stealers saying "eat a bag of dicks" tho.

i loved how the bag of dildos and "why were you at xxxxx restaurant in los angeles?" was a buildup w/o a punchline.

yeah, kind of odd! mortons is super-exclusive, i think, and this guy was from the suburbs...

As soon as I finished Veronica Mars, I'm off to rent last Season of Entourage. Or maybe this week. Hmm

its been quite a few episodes since we got such quality Ari Gold.

Lioyd was way overdue, too.

great episode.

Cameos from Snoop (predictible) and Elvis Mitchell (not predictible!).

I'm surprised when they said that Elvis M. was "coming to L.A." to interview them. I assumed he lives in L.A., since his interview show The Treatment originates from there.

Drama opposite Bob Balaban as the weed doctor was really good too.

favorite Ari line remains "deny 'til you die, pal"

I don't know, I give them props for at least not putting Snoop's cameo in the weed doctor's office.

(xpost)

i do i shot hot naked chicks when i smoke weed w/ buddies

I was worried they were going to make that the event that fucks up Drama's career and puts him back in the poorhouse (not worried in the TWOP 'these characters are real' sense, worried in the 'that would be shitty writing' sense)

Loved Walsh's Pablo Escobar tattoo.

THIS ISNT GOOD NEWS. GOOD NEWS IS WHEN THE WIFE AGREES TO EAT BOX FOR YOUR BIRTHDAY. THIS IS GREAT NEWS.

the medillin tattoo is one of a few things that makes me think they're setting things up for medillin to be a flop.

also, tattoo guy is a real-life tattoo legend.

Emmy nominations are out this morning. Best Supporting Actor in a Comedy -- both Kevin Dillon and Jeremy Piven are nominated. Piven would be so pissed if he lost...

The Piv was on fire tonight.

I LOVE A LIAR BUT I HATE A CHEATER

nice vag shot in the shoestore, also.

MISSED IT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Lloyd was en fuego as well (esp. w/ his drawing skills) (and his choice in bros)!

E, on the other hand, is turning into a little bitch.

i have a feeling E is right.

Yeah, he probably is, & he's bending over backwards to let Vinny follow his gut, but I'm starting to sympathize w/ Walsh's "FUCK YOU SUIT" campaign (conveniently just as Walsh becomes totally insufferable).

this show needs more Dana Gordon

YES

nice vag shot in the shoestore, also.

-- gr8080, Monday, July 23, 2007 10:42 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

waht?

re-watch the first few seconds of that scene.

Haha... I rewatched that scene last night, very obvious now that I am looking for it. You don't even need to pause it to notice.

I should have known better than to delete immediately.

So if Lloyd's a top, is Tom a bottom? I find this very amusing.

There's some earlier episode in season 2 where Lloyd told Ari he was a top.

the "drama wants a compassion club baseball cap" story was i think hands down the dumbest b plot in tv hisory.

no, I think the Sandy Koufax jersey plot might have topped it

Bob Balaban vs. the fat FBI guy from the Sopranos? I'll take the cap episode hands down.

You mean 24's EDGAR STILES!

I am getting more than a little tired of the "hey, this is Turtle / Johnny, I have to do X, who wants to join me?" / "hey, this is Johnny / Turtle, I'll do it with you" / "fuck you, shorty / old man" thing.

the "drama wants a compassion club baseball cap" story was i think hands down the dumbest b plot in tv hisory.

OTM. I was kind of aghast the whole time that even Entourage would stoop to something that pointlessly contrived.

they gave up on turtle having any kind of career, and they don't do much with drama's.

dude they are r2d2 and c3po. sheesh.

I eagerly await A Very Special Entourage, wherein Billy does some PCP, busts into Drama's place, and assrapes Turtle to death.

I do dislike how it's less of an entourage and more just E/Vince and Turtle/Drama. I mean, think about it--wouldn't it seem a bit awkward if like Turtle and E got stuck in an elevator together or something?

I actually think that Vince and Drama alone would be far weirder. Have we ever seen anything close to that?

I think Entourage might be the rare show that'd be better off the creators loosened the reigns and put more episodes in the hands of a fresh crop of writers. Surely there's good plots plots/gags someone else could think of for these characters that Ellin and Weiss have given up on even trying to come up with.

almost as bad was "ari's college buddy comes to town!" total sitcom

I liked that subplot, in part because it was one of the first instances that I've seen of dot-com-era nostalgia, and also because here's this guy who made his fortune overnight, while Ari has to work so hard daily to make his nut.

Also, Artie Lange.

Drama getting a hat was too much like Turtle needing his shoes. The Comicon/Video-game tourney plots were more interesting for those guys.

almost as bad was "ari's college buddy comes to town!" total sitcom

-- s1ocki, Tuesday, July 24, 2007 8:52 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

yeah that was a series low.

but just the other week drama saying he'd tell bob weinstein for vince, and them going round with the local councillor, or whatever it was, was much better than this jersey shit.

i think ari has got to be involved with vince stuff or his plotlines are just lame.

they never show any of the principals doing coke, right?

series 5 should be vince's tom sizemore phase.

I am getting more than a little tired of the "hey, this is Turtle / Johnny, I have to do X, who wants to join me?" / "hey, this is Johnny / Turtle, I'll do it with you" / "fuck you, shorty / old man" thing.

-- David R., Tuesday, 24 July 2007 18:55 (3 hours ago) Link

i have been thinking this exact thing. do you think its because this season is the most episodes they've gone before a vince premiere? so they really feel like they need to keep winding up the tension with regard to vince's and E's careers/investments hanging in the balance? like they can't bring Drama and Turtle into that?

i watched all previous episodes in a 2-week spree earlier this spring, but it wasnt always this way,(as in the formulaic vince/E career-plot and turtle/drama wacky adventure plot) was it?

also, the baseball cap story was way better than the coufax jersey one. just for the shot of drama walking on set recieveing props from everyone.

have they confirmed a season 5 yet? if not, i could see them ending things with medillin ruining vince and billy's careers and E going out on his own as a successful Hollywood player.

also, totally unrelated, but this show kind of sucks without a movie star mansion! it just doesn't feel right having them in Drama's metrosexual 1br.

they never show any of the principals doing coke, right?

series 5 should be vince's tom sizemore phase.

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:23 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

Nah, they never show them do anything more than smoke weed. There was a hilariously unrealistic moment last year during the arc with their friend who'd just got out of prison, Dom (Herc from The Wire). Ari poured a bunch of white powder on the table and pretended to snort it to lead up to the announcement that Vince had gotten the Pablo Escobar role (in the first of like five false starts for Medillin) but it was, of course, flour or something, and in a room full of young Hollywood types, the only guy who was like "alright, coke!!" was the ex-con. WTF.

this show sucks the industry's prick too much to admit to anything like rampant cocaine abuse.

still like it though. it's my sunny, silly, pointless, moderately amusing show at the moment.

Sorry to invade this thread and (consciously) ignoring the content. I rented a couple of the first DVDs of season 3 but it suddenly stops, like, after 4 DVDs or something. (Right after he's fucked over by Warner with the Ramones flick.) So what happens? Is there another DVD boxset or what?

i don't think they've released it yet. series three was awkwardly split into two parts. the second part only finished recently and pretty much ran on into series four.

AH FUCK! I really REALLY like this show. Especially the Ari/Piven dialogues/monologues/wanks. *sigh* Angel isn't cutting it for me. A bit bland for me.

Same here nath. I'm stuck at season 3 part 1. I just went through the series from the beginning in like a week, 'tis great! And yeah, Ari is fantastic.

And maybe someone's mentioned this but is Drama supposed to be the Donnie Wahlberg to Vince's Mark?

I'm not sure, but I do (like to) think that this is something which takes place a lot in Hollywood, y'know, hangers-on and whatnot.

well yeah I figured that. It's just that Mark Wahlberg is an exec producer of this show and it seems to me at least, that just in terms of acting roles and recognition, his own success compared to his older brother's seems to mirror Vince and Drama's. Just wondering if that was deliberate. Although somehow I doubt that DW in real life is anything like Johnny Drama. This is like the role Kevin Dillon was meant to play his whole life.

Mark Walhberg said that the show's basic premise is based on him -- Boston instead of Queens, but he did have friends from home move out west with him.

Plus, Kevin Dillon (playing Drama) is Matt Dillon's brother, so that adds another level to it.

ah right! Yeah, I wasn't entirely sure whether Kevin Dillon and Matt Dillon were related, although there is a resemblance there now that I think about it.

nath, roz- being in your exact predicament a few months back was exactly what got me to finally start torrenting.

Yeah, Veronica Mars made me turn to torrenting but I am trying to resist downloading too much. I have already gone over my transfer max and bought more. So I'll either wait a month or two before I start dl-ing Entourage and/or The Wire. :-D

Hah, we have parallel lives Nath!

on the coke thing, I did notice though that Ari is always wiping his nose whenever he starts his usual "... BOOM!" routine, so at least I guess it's there in the background.

What? You also downloaded VM, waiting for the Wire and Entourage? Sadly some eps from VM S3 are a bit fucked up (soundwise) so I had to download'em again. Do you have'em? I'm near completion, so if you want, I could send'em over to you (via post).

Piven reminds me so much of Adam Sandler.

As far as I know I've finished d/l VM S3, but haven't got round watching since I got sucked into Entourage (which initially was just a stop-gap between VM seasons)

I am getting more than a little tired of the "hey, this is Turtle / Johnny, I have to do X, who wants to join me?" / "hey, this is Johnny / Turtle, I'll do it with you" / "fuck you, shorty / old man" thing.

-- David R., Tuesday, 24 July 2007 18:55 (3 hours ago) Link

i have been thinking this exact thing. do you think its because this season is the most episodes they've gone before a vince premiere?

or maybe it's cuz the writers are just kinda...limited in their abilities?

Jesus Christ this was such an old-school sit-com episode in which not only were the stakes superficial but the storyline was one in which every character fuckin' "learned" something before the end. Along with tonight's Flight episode followed by the equally formulaic (yet high-quality) little miss sunsihine, this was a step backward.

what, you weren't dying for a storyline all about E's lonely penis?

mocking furries is so fucking 2003

oh but wait, next week there will be a very special celebrity guest!

k, srsly, two mins in and bam! vince and e team up, and drama and turtle team up. ffs. maybe the actors who play vince and turtle hate the shit out of each other.

that last shot of Coyote Drama was something else

i actually thought minus the furrying it was pretty spectacular. I love when Ari is flailing as he walks away from the prep school dude's house; also, e scene introducing brit chick by wrong name was fab.

that last shot of Coyote Drama was something else

-- milo z, Monday, July 30, 2007 11:22 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

yeah this was pretty fucking hilar, but overall kind of terrible.

I shouldn't have watched this ep after watching the new Conchords, as the innocence of the previous show completely soured me on the jaded horndog male fantasy of this one. I definitely wanted some sort of twist to happen with the furry thing, like she was actually just paying him to come watch her kids then bang her normally or something after. Very disappointing. Also disappointing: E just deciding to get laid or whatever. Feh. Lame episode aside form the incorrect introduction of English girl, and Ari crying. That was pretty great. But fucking seriously, would that British girl have put up with whiny fucking E? I don't know a woman on the planet who would have.

Oh, and everything I said has already been said by others... whoops.

I was watching this episode with a friend from NYC who said, "That guy [E.] is really short" -- and we were watching the opening scene where it was very clear that Vince/E and Drama/Turtle are paired off by height (though thinking about that too much raises the question of how Drama could fit into a bunny suit that was made for a Turtle-like body).

For the most part I'm impressed how this show can have a Maxim/horndog quality to it while not making the guys simply amoral or misogynistic or unlikeable. That's part of why this episode just seemed so off, tonally.

The idea that a p.i. would say "For the first time ever, we've found someone who we can't find any dirt on" turned that scene into something TV-like and caricatured instead of something believable. (In the same way, last night's Conchords episode created a world that was a whole alternate Kiwi-hating reality, which is a different altered-reality from the other episodes -- as with the p.i., it felt like too much of a leap to keep the balance between naturalism and sit-com conventions.)

(I mention that my friend is from NYC because she's seen him on the street, seen his shortness is real life.)

'Son wasting away in shitty mailroom, dreams of being an agent' is also precisely the kind of information that a PI might dig up for Ari.

WORST. EPISODE. EVER. Will M. OTM about watching this after the Conchords. The only redeemable thing was that crazy shot of Drama at the end. Watching the four leads banter about getting pussy all day long is so OVER. I want them to figure out what a fucking trainwreck of a movie "Medellin" really is, flush Vince's career down the toilet, and have to live off of Drama's TV earnings for the next season or two.

(Also, Drama betting $5,000 -- first of all, the best episodes of this show center around things that are like bets but are, like, betting that Vince will get work and paid before he goes broke. When they actually make bets, it's like the script is coming out of a USC television writing class -- but, second of all, he's now getting TV money from his show, but he also overspent on his condo, and I don't see him making a silly prop bet like that for that much. And plenty of other lines in this episode just felt a little off this same way.

I'm hoping it's not a larger sign for HBO, now that the main creative overseer of their shows has left.

That was pretty great. But fucking seriously, would that British girl have put up with whiny fucking E? I don't know a woman on the planet who would have.

e getting laid pissed me off.

it really felt like they were padding the series out, that they had nothing new to say. just pressing pause on everything--medellin, this shitty sounding new film--is a dick move.

HI WERENT WE GETTING READY TO PREMIERE A CAREER-MAKING-OR-BREAKING MOVIE?
AREN'T WE GOING TO CANNES?
OH OK FURRIES LOL.

Annoyingly (or maybe not, if it's getting to be crap) somebody has flooded the torrence sites with fake torrence for the most recent eps of this, and I am having trouble getting the real ones.

wow, you guys care way too much about the plot of this fuckin show.

JUST LIKE E CARES TOO MUCH ABOUT EMOTIONAL SEX AMIRITE?

IT'S A THREAD ABOUT ENTOURAGE: DEAL WITH IT, PAL.

xpost

We care about the craft, man. The plot, the characters, the locales, boom.

the storyline was one in which every character fuckin' "learned" something before the end

What I learned:
- furry sex is like having sex w/ clothes on, except the clothes are "special"
- British chicks are hot
- Herman's Head Dude is now a private dick
- slap fights involving dude in a bunny suit = funny

Next episode: VINNY AND DRAMA HANG OUT OMG

yeah turtle's expressions with bunny nose on heh

British chicks are hot

lol this is old news

Sophie Monk was gorgeous, but so was the waitress they were ogling at the beginning of the episode. It was a very meh episode, but I was impressed by how they pulled off Ari crying without destroying his credibility as such an asshole.

ari crying ftw.

but man, guys, this show sucks now. i might stop watching.

i liked that E was all hesitant about getting laid and then went and did it after finding out sloan had a new boyfriend. is there anything that makes you want a one night stand more than finding out your ex is seeing someone else? new attitude.

also, sophie monk is australian, not british.

i think that part of why i would rep for this episode is the lack of billy vs. e terrible bitchfest plotline...

i think billy should be involved in some spinoff/crossover with janice from sopranos to result in THE TWO MOST ANNOYING HATABLE CHARACTRERS EVER. maybe make him direct Clever 2.

the other possibility is billy teaming up with billy chenowith from 6FU with BONKERZ RESULTZ.

billy vs e is better than e being conflicted about getting laid.

finally someone on this thread talking sense about how annoying Billy Walsh is. I mentioned on the Bill Walsh RIP thread that it'd momentarily gotten my hopes up that Entourage had killed off that character. (xpost)

haha..awesome. never made the bill(y) walsh connection

Entourage fans seem confused by the idea of a character written to be dislikable.

Yeah guys. Learn how to watch TV.

otm

"Finally someone on this thread talking sense about how annoying Billy Walsh is."

THAT'S RIGHT, WE ALL THOUGHT HE WAS REALLY COOL.

Billy Walsh fans seem confused by the idea that a character written to be dislikable can be poorly characterized and annoying to watch for reasons other than how the character behaves as a person.

Fair Enough, but Janice on Sopranos was near perfect.

oh man, i hate E and the actor playing E so much more than Walsh. ugh. pls cut from show.

Everyone on the show is poorly characterized! Except Ari & Mrs. Ari.

Since the show is about Hollywood, Billy ends up being a certain type that belong on the show, a kind of Oliver Stone/Dennis Hopper type who is both credible and a good catalyst for action -- especially in the episodes in South America, it became clear that he could either be the next Coppola or the next Michael Cimino. Like the others, he's well-detailed if not subtly characterized: the clothes, locations, props, are all carefully selected even if the character himself is a familiar type.

Yeah, the running gag in the Medillin episodes where he was wearing increasingly absurd outfits as he started to lose it was funny. Still, I much prefer when they get an actual famous director like James Cameron or M. Night Shyamalan to caricature themselves then when they just caricature a vague director type.

That's true -- it's why the Harvey Weinstein and Robert Evans substitutes aren't as enjoyable as the real cameos.

They need to just shift this to the Ari & Lloyd show.

Sklar brothers!

think peter jackson cameo wouldve made more sense in the furry episode...

Wow, someone actually got excited about the Sklar brothers?

Also, next week: Anna Faris lowering the bar for what constitutes a celebrity walk-on on this show.

cheap seats was sometimes funny! more just pleased to see them get work than any worthwhile contribution to the show.

guys, debi mazar.

Drama: "We gotta get this [baseball cap/desk/laid] today!"

How long has it been since the last time Mazar was on the show? I guess the first half of Season 3?

Like someone said on the Transformers movie thread, I wish just once they'd go all out and name whatever Drama's chasing after one week a MacGuffin. "I gotta get that MacGuffin trucker hat, it'll make me look young!" Also, bringing Busey back is maybe the laziest bit of recycling they've done yet.

They need to just shift this to the Ari & Lloyd show

yes, but c'mon, Busey!

"The paint will be on you soon."

what was the 60s song in the mi9ddle of the episode last night? i dont remember it and my coworker is asking and i want to appear smart.

Song: Psychotic Reaction
Artist: The Count Five

How long has it been since the last time Mazar was on the show? I guess the first half of Season 3?

actually is was earlier this season or 3B maybe when Drama was buying the apartment and she called him from Disneyland to tell him to buy a decent place so he didnt embarrass Vince.

am i crazy or was the kid a girl in that disneyland ep and a boy in sunday nights ep? continuity people!

snooozer

Did Anna Faris look funny, like her lips were all pumped up or something?

Not just her lips....looks like she had collagen injections all along her smile lines. She looked weird.

wtf was that scene with drama and vince? was that the writers telling us: "SEE, YOU DONT WANT TO SEE THESE TWO TOGETHER. ITS BETTER WHEN DRAMA HANGS WITH TURTLE."

haha..thats exactly what I thought.

Heh, but I liked that they were even testing the conventions or acknowledging them. The whole episode felt a little fresher than the past few.

I really miss the continuity though. It seems like almost all of this seasons episodes have been pretty much self-contained, excepting the Medellin stuff at the beginning. Two seasons ago we'd have gotten an episode about Ari freaking out, trying to find a replacement for Mary J.

You're right, Jon. The whole "previously on..." clips made no sense with this current format. I'm guessing that they plotted out the season with something like 10 episodes and then got the order to double up near the last minute.

And the McGuffins aren't so distracting when they help the season-long storylines move forward.

And we get the Vince-as-jealous-friend storyline rearing its head with E taking Anna F on as a client.

That house is awesome, btw. Amazing.

I think the Anna F storyline could be interesting if they give E a shot at having his own career apart from Vince but Wikipedia says she's only in 2-3 episodes and, like Turtle and his Saigon storyline, I'm sure they'll yank it out from under him before long.

I loved the girl who had a bitchy rapport with Turtle but I'm guessing she'll never be seen again after that episode just like all the others.

I'm guessing that they plotted out the season with something like 10 episodes and then got the order to double up near the last minute.

that's probably a pretty good guess.

also, it just feels better now that they're back in a mansion in the hills. no one was bringing sluts back to drama's condo for skinny dipping.

Will they just forget about Drama's condo now and basically have him living with Vince?

I don't see why not, they've barely even mentioned Drama's TV show for like 5 episodes now.

why has no one commented on mrs gold in her underwear? my jaw literally fell to the floor as I saw her drop those clothes. the woman is 43 but has the body of a hot 18-year old(I'm 22 ya'll so relax).

Yeah I've personally never quite understood all the fuss over her, but she was pretty impressive in that episode. Especially on the set of the soap opera.

funny tidbit from the IMDb trivia page for Entourage:

"Aquaman," Vince's first blockbuster film was inspired by Mark Wahlberg working with Wolfgang Petersen on The Perfect Storm (2000), Wahlberg's first major blockbuster.

I'm sure there's more to it than that, but the way they phrased it just makes me think the writers were sitting around going "y'know, Mark's first big movie had a lot of water in it...maybe Vince's should too!"

"Star Maps"

So was Queens Blvd supposed to be Boogie Nights?

Yes, Mrs. Ari is well-preserved. I've seen her in person and she looks great in jeans, but i had *no idea*.

she was wearing some very expensive looking undergarments, too.

"well-preserved"

pickled with Ari ju...

very expensive looking and very ugly

she is treated better on the show than larry david's wife: y/n

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I hear that phrase all the time here in HOLLYWOOD.

Definitely a La Perla kind of gal.

It did look a bit too nautical but I wasn't really focusing on it.

Also, I watched this in HD.

I actually think that Vince and Drama alone would be far weirder. Have we ever seen anything close to that?

-- Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, 24 July 2007 19:14 (3 weeks ago)

Wow, I totally did not expect that to ever happen.

OK THAT RULED

More like that one.

wow. something actually kind of happened.

Great episode: flipping the normal convention by taking E out of the picture, Vin Makazian can't seem to have an HBO shower in peace, and Ari scrambling to put shit together. My only letdown was Billy not killing himself - would've definitely added some darkness, but the character is beyond caricature at this point. Can we please have another recurring role for a more stable director with a different set of quirks? If every Vince movie is a Billy one too, this is gonna get old fast. Maybe Silo is gonna bomb?

"field of dreams meets blade runner" lol

why has no one commented on mrs gold in her underwear? my jaw literally fell to the floor as I saw her drop those clothes. the woman is 43 but has the body of a hot 18-year old(I'm 22 ya'll so relax).

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I actually think that Vince and Drama alone would be far weirder. Have we ever seen anything close to that?

-- Girolamo Savonarola, Tuesday, July 24, 2007 2:14 PM (4 weeks ago) Bookmark Link

Absolutely right on the fucking money. The scene the other week with Vince and Drama alone in the house was a wonderful presentation/emphasis of not only Vince's completely vapid and agonizingly personality-free personality, but also his actual complete lack of chemistry with Drama, which of course had always been known but never acknowledged to this extent; it's such a sharp contrast from the way Drama always pumped himself up as Vinnie Chase's older sibling, calling him "Baby bro" and the like. I think it's perhaps the greatest and most revealing scene this season so far.

And I think Ari in his underwear would be much more chat-worthy.

Especially if he stopped waxing his fucking chest (come on Jeremy, we all know you're hairier than that)

Mrs. Ari is the hawt.

Mrs. Ari, Dana Gold, Billy's gf - all so hawt.

Dana Gordon

no

whatever, weirdo

lol seriously

Dana Gordon also the hawt.

But Mrs. Ari? Jeebus. No wonder short, insecure Ari freaked out about her reprising the role as town slut on the soap opera.

also Carla Gugino RIP

dana gordon's alright. the other two are boring.

http://www.tiffanithiessen.com/images-pub/tat-p093.jpg - Kelly Kapowski meets Dana Gordon

maybe she isn't alright

I would kick it to both of those fine ladies. If I weren't married.

yay a proper episode. i think faris should stay in it -- they need to change it up somehow. if she goes and it goes back to how it has been, that would be lame.

i like how drama had the best line in the episode

(ensemble show -> 2-day workweek)

and drama in ep 9: "like the yangtze river dolphin"

OK THAT RULED

-- gabbneb, Sunday, August 19, 2007 4:30 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Link

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More like that one.

-- Eazy, Sunday, August 19, 2007 7:35 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Link

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wow. something actually kind of happened.

-- Gukbe, Monday, August 20, 2007 2:39 AM (3 days ago) Bookmark Link

THESE.^^^

Maybe it was a mistake to read those vague but positive things about it before finally catching it on demand, but I totally do not get what was so great about that episode. One of the most ridiculous 'behind the scenes' show business scenarios yet, and a new foil for E who's just as annoying and irrational as Walsh. Big deal!

The ep was meh. Even Kanye didn't know what to do with the awkwardness.

lol fruit cup

just awful

LLOYD IS GAY!!!
ARI AND WIFE ARGUE BUT LOVE EACH OTHER!!!
ARAB GUY - BETTER BUDDY UP DURING DRAMA/TURTLE ESCAPADE!!!

Did you see the scenes from next week? Lloyd's drink fountain was...impressive.

were the writers just too lazy to write a firing scene for Anna/Eric?

Yeah, that shit was confusing, I thought maybe I missed some subtlety in the previous scene, then I remembered that Entourage doesn't do subtle.

kanye as a deus ex machina should never happen again. this will only feed his messiah complex.

Seriously. I can see the verse on "Graduation" now -

I saved Turtle
from missing out on Cannes
Flew the whole Entourage to France
while they looking at the stewardesses cans

Or something.

were the writers just too lazy to write a firing scene for Anna/Eric?

-- milo z, Monday, August 27, 2007 5:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

that was weird.

i don't really understand the eric plot at all right now. why is he producing this movie? why does he want one of his clients to do it but not the other? they have sort of painted him into a logical corner and i dont think they really know how to get him out of it.

yeah, i thought there was some big scene where Eric and Billy were freaking out on one another and Eric ended up saying he would just step down from this next project. Now hes producing.

i hate when they shoot on location ( and yeah i know a lot of it is on location but i mean with real people in the background). It seems really awkward and overacted or something. like watching a student film.

im trying to figure out why i still watch this show. i think lloyd is the reason?

it's funny. also you guys that are invested in this show for the "story" are pretty retardando.

agreed. it seems to have lost a lot of what kept it going in the previous 3 seasons. And Vince has been really, really obnoxious this season.

I think the reasons I continue to watch are Ari and Mrs. Gold, Lloyd, and Billy Walsh. And probably Turtle - his part in the furry episode was fucking priceless.

And where the fuck is Barbara Miller? We need more of her.

I agree completely--Babs was amazing. Pretty sadly OTM about the main appeal being the minor characters, though.

Totally. Eric is just a contrary little bitch who won't sack up and finally go his own way, Johnny Drama's schtick is just OLD as FUCK, and Vince is so obstinately oblivious that it kills me. Turtle is the only member of the Entourage that I would want to hang out with at the moment.

Ari and Mrs. Gold - just awesome. Lloyd - untouchable. His comic timing as Ari's work wife is perfect. And Billy Walsh just keeps the screwball, artiste comedy coming.

If they don't deliver with the final episode, its going to be a tough sell for me to continue watching it next season. I don't smoke pot regularly enough to tune in every week.

sure, chaki, things like plot and character development and suspension of disbelief are a little less important in comedy, Entourage isn't exactly a heavy drama, but it'd be a lot easier to ignore how inconsistent and illogical the storylines and motivations are on the show lately if it were still as funny as it was at its peak or wasn't recycling jokes as baldly as it recycles plotlines.

i find it pretty realistic to tell you the truth.

oh, I'm sure real life for guys like that would be really repetitive and involve constant searches for weed and/or consumer electronics. I just want something slightly more interesting as an impetus for scripted comedy.

truuuuuuuuuuuu

when Eric/Vince/Walsh blew up in his office and Eric stepped down, Ari said he'd fix it so that Eric stayed on as a producer but didn't actually have to do anything (keeping the Medellin triumvirate together).

i think Billy Walsh used to be MTV's The State right?

that guy must've been like 13 when The State first went on the air, dude.

no sign of it on imdb

this is terrible

i really can't defend very much about this show, but i still watch it every week.

oh ok my bad

wtf at the whole eric/ana thing.

she fired him why?

it would make sense if he had sacked her because there was a conflict of interest... just terrible.

everyone in the cast looks really ill. except mrs ari, maybe i just watch it for her.

She fired him because he lied and tried to convince her to do a shitty movie, negating his initial appeal.

the moral i took from it is that if you don't ever admit your lying, you will probably get a chance to bang anna farris.

OTM watching just for mrs. ari.

wow, so clearly no one watches on holiday wkend, no reason to not timeshift, etc, but in summation drama still sucks, fortunately e isn't central plotwise, let adam goldberg run shit and we'll all be satisfied...

comedy should not be that tedious

nothing should be that tedious, but particularly not

plz replace the entourage w/ Dana Gordon, Harvey, Ari and Adam Goldberg.

particularly not comedy

ok, I know they had to wait for Cannes to shoot the whole thing for this plot line - but why couldn't this have been the mid-point of the season? Wouldn't that have been so much better - Vince trying to salvage his career, Silo gets ditched, everyone has to work with Harvey, they start having to do press for Harvey's Medellin, Johnny brings his new French fiancee back to town, end the season with the commercial premiere and come back next season with Vince's newest project wrapping?

agree that dana gordon should be in it more. i dont want harvey invovled in anything if possible, too hacky, too semi-tyed to reality, i dunno i can't deal, let harvey and drama go work on a project..

From this...

Rhys Coiro, who plays Billy Walsh, has recently joined the cast of Fox’s “24.”

johnny crunch OTM re: "Harvey"

so that was the season finale?

i really hope they move past Medillin by the season 5 premiere.

the happy-go-luckiness of the ending was some bullshit. if adrian grenier lost between 30-75 million dollars on a movie, i don't think he would be strutting out cannes like that.

at least it's a decent story line, though. the episode about drama's search for weed had to be the lowest point of the series.

Whoa whoa whoa, wait a sec--that was the FINALE?? that was horseshit!! So what is it that is going to make me want to watch season 5?

And if Vincent Chase lost 350,000,000 on a movie, he'd still be a fucking tool grinning ear to ear "knowing" that of course everything would just magically work out for him.

this definitely had a "brady bunch in hawaii" or "full house goes to disneyland" kind of bullshit vibe to it or something

This was definitely by far the worst season. It should've been the best, because things just got fucked up out of hand, and did NOT always work out in the end, as was clear from the finale. But for all of that, the writers just didn't seem to figure out the best way to continue to give the show an edge at the same time. It seems like they want to change the characters' situations a bit, but kept on dipping their toes in the water and then shrinking back. Part of the joy of the other seasons was watching big things happen - superhero films with giant openings, studios fucking them over, Ari getting fired and emerging stronger from the ashes, dealing with asshole director, firing Ari, losing the house, etc... This season seemed to do little of all that, and what it did mainly was a rehash of similar "big events". The only difference being that they all "lost" in the end of this one. But knowing the logic of Entourage, I'm certain the next season will start in medias res of some big celebration at the massive success of some film we never saw the development of. Or something equally banal and deus ex machina.

Dear HBO, if you're gonna let Entourage go down the toilet, let them go down trying crazy new shit out instead of wheezing through the same routines until no one's watching. I'll take the SFU approach over the Sopranos one any day.

seriously, bring out the long-lost evil twin brothers and spurned lovers thought to be dead but were just frozen heads in a vat or some shit

Or just something simple like Vince getting a domineering bitchy gf.

who's secretly a cylon

xpost or maybe a personality

Vince getting lured into Sc1entology would be a great shot in the arm for the show.

Vince getting a domineering bitchy gf who lures him into Sc1entology.

Perfect.

He and Turtle each get a Sc1entology girlfriend, and there's the A story and the B story.

that was horrible, despite the drama-meets-fake-Julie-Delpy subplot, maybe because lloyd was on vacation. please to replace billy between V and E with "harvey."

also, how about dana gordon teaming up with mrs. ari?

THAT WOULD BE SPINOFF-WORTHY! you'd have to include lloyd though.

define "teaming up" and you may have a greenlight on that thought.

I realized recently that my position on real celeb cameos vs. obvious caricatures of real life figures in Entourage is completely opposite to how I feel about The Simpsons. I'll take Ranier Wolfcastle over a real Schwarzenegger voiceover any day, but please, no more fake Harry Knowles/Harvey Weinstein bullshit.

Lloyd on vacation was worth it for the ice-penis screwdriver dispenser.

And for the love of God, please somehow leave Silos in development hell, so that we can all be rid of Billy Walsh. I'm not annoyed by the character, I'm annoyed by the fact that he's become a cliche of a cliche, which only leaves his annoyingness. If that makes sense. It's worse than reading the press clippings about M. Night Shylaramalangadingdong. (I can't be arsed to remember how it's really spelled.)

As someone mentioned before, where the hell is Beverely D'Angelo? And if you're gonna bother to set up E as a legitimate and growing manager of other clients, that's fine. Just please work out a way to pay for a regular guest star for a handful of episodes. Someone who isn't going to be written out, but also need not appear in every episode (but maybe have subplots as need be). Speaking of which, maybe another regular guest cameo (a la Malcolm McDowell or Mandy Moore) wouldn't be such a bad idea.

Speaking of which, while we're handing out diktats, which celebrities need to make an appearance/re-appearance? My votes go to James Woods again (I just saw Pretty Persuasion, and the man simply can do no wrong), and maybe Uma Thurman.

Yeah. Pretty feckin weak. Especially for the season finale.

Although I have to admit...I was cheering for Drama to find the girl. That was pretty cool.

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/2007/8/30becker.html

this is pretty amusing - is titled 'Tom Wolfe reviews Entourage'.

haha that's pretty good.

The Turtle

looooooooool

wasn't such a bad ending. adam goldberg should be in it more, it was good to see billy walsh get sonned.

must do better though.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/big-love/big-love-will-return-for-a-thi-8761.aspx

Fans who have been waiting for the return of HBO's slate of summer programming will have to wait a little bit longer than expected. As a result of the writers' strike, Big Love season 3, the fifth season of Entourage, and the return of Flight of the Conchords have all been delayed until the fall.

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As for Entourage, production on season 5 began in April, with 12 episodes currently being produced. One of the big storylines for the new year will revolve around the return of Dom, who creator Doug Ellin hopes to redeem in the eyes of fans who disliked the character's initial appearances.

arrrrrgh

so is Vince solidly back with Ari or still with that stupid woman he was fucking? I didn't watch all of the last season and only caught some repeats; it was seriously slumming

does anyone else have the problem of not being able to buy a minute of the Drama/Turtle interaction when they are alone on screen? it's like every line has quotes around it

i think we discuss that in this thread

this show has sucked since season 3, i'm said to say. what a lot of sad flailing.

lol xp

FINE, i'll actually read the thread before posting on it

yeah end of season 2 is ari getting fired, drama between e and vinnie, even the promise of turtle dating new new right? i remember thinking then that this was gonna turn into an actually good show instead of just enjoyable fluff. it never did turn into a good show and now it can't even muster up the direction to be enjoyable fluff.

Dude who plays Billy Walsh is going to be in the new season of 24.

So assuming that Vinnie was created to be a contemporary of Tobey McGuire and Leonardo DiCaprio, what should happen now is for him to run up against a Shia LaBoeuf, someone who isn't an easy antagonist but in a competitor. Ari has Josh Weinstein, Vince needs his equivalent, maybe even someone who's a younger actor but is directing and wants Vinnie -- and suddenly can Vinnie avoid being Johnny Drama? Should he grow up? And that would lead into a fine Sex in the City-like six-episode Season 5, part 2 mini season to wrap the thing up until the debut of Lloyd! in May 2009.

i thought it was a pretty good show!! then it turned into a bad one

Dude who plays Billy Walsh is going to be in the new season of 24.

-- James Mitchell, Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:22 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Link

thank god, maybe that'll keep that character away from the show. i mean srsly one arc was enough, dude did NOT need to become a series reg.

yea, season 2 was sweet, first part of season 3 also iirc.

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What happened with both Entourage and The Sopranos is that the network ordered more episodes than originally planned (lots more for Entourage -- something like 22 instead of 13) and so the story arcs that were already planned had to be padded and some new, mostly self-contained episodes had to be written and put together quickly.

not really a problem w. the sopranos, but the last batch of entourage was kind of repetitive and tapped-out.

good that billy walsh's film was hated though: hopefully it won't get a release and he'll disappear and they can do something not involving him.

I liked early on that Billy Walsh was representing the crazy L.A. auteurs of the 70s, combined with a little Rick Rubin, who could psychopaths or genuises or both. His best moments were the Medillin tattoo, when the guys had to go through his mom or girlfriend to get to him. But now, yeah, get a new type in there; maybe David O. Russell.

who could be psychopaths, etc.

yeah, barring them actually taking the extra time afforded by the writer's strike to think up some non-dopey new jokes/plots, i'm really dreading the fact that Season 5 will suck, and that I'll probably watch every episode anyway. I hate to be one of those people that goes "The Wire is over, I'm cancelling my HBO," but really the movies are the only thing keeping that on my cable bill right now.

i thought billy walsh was basically supposed to be paul thomas anderson (who worships the 1970s school of dysfunctional coketard auteurs), what with the marky mark connection but yea.

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The other thing with Walsh (obv) is that he's the ultimate insider who fancies himself to be the unsullied ultimate outsider -- and his best moments were the ones where he couldn't quite get away with that pose.

I think the show's greatest dramatic triumph is that I apparently identify with E as the protagonist so much that I hate Walsh as much as he does.

i never want to hear about "mdellin" again

i mean medellin

that was drawn out wayyyy too long

in retrospect, though yeah a lot of his stuff is played, a show about ari gold and a large roster of talent might have worked better in terms of varying the scenario.

nah, I would not watch Broadway Ari Gold: The Series.

Having Mrs. Ari get back into soap-opera acting was a good subplot.

yeah I liked her tits too.

sloan(e?) should return

not really

malcom mcdowell should return, that shit was tight. and adam goldberg.

too much ari, that shit was getting sitcommy. they should really focus on the core of the show. piven was getting too central i thought.

Sloan is in this week's Entertainment Weekly, starring in some summer romantic comedy.

the core of the show has become drama and turtle's stupid errands tho. piven has become too central to this version of entourage, because it's not meant to be about him. but at the same time there were recent eps where he was the only good thing in it.

If the producers pushed all their chips in (raising the stakes while somehow keeping it a comedy) we would see:

-aforementioned dabbling with Sc1entology from Vince
-Johnny Drama suicide attempt
-Turtle discovers hard drugs, or aids and abets someone who does
-Eric finds new set of friends

ok the scientology idea is awes

-aforementioned dabbling with Sc1entology from Vince
-Johnny Drama suicide attempt
-Turtle discovers hard drugs, or aids and abets someone who does
-Eric finds new set of friends

You should write for the show. Two things, who the hell is Dom? Vinny's from NYC who went to jail? Also, I assumed Billy Walsh was based on Vincent Gallo the last episode seemed to be an homage to the Brown Bunny showing.

totally misread that as "Turtle discovers hard drugs, or AIDS" at first

yeah Dom was the ex-con buddy played by Herc from The Wire.

totally misread that as "Turtle discovers hard drugs, or AIDS" at first

OK, OK, let's work with that. Turtle finally has a chance to score with some beautiful gal, but she demands that he gets tested...and he and Drama go to the clinic to get tested together...and then Turtle gets the results for some other HIV-positive guy named Turtle...and he has to tell the beautiful gal that he's positive...and Drama starts rethinking the choices he's made in life...and then it turns out that it was some other Turtle who tested positive and he's really OK and they all go out to dinner.

wait, you guys want actual, believable plots and characters from this show?

do you eat steak for dessert?

funny situations, springing from characters and/or plots, are part of what's required from television comedy, yea.

the funny is important, but incidental to the good-times male-identified lifestyle pron

Walsh is totally Vincent Gallo. At least that's how I always saw it.

That's where the episodes where Aquaman was potential but not sealed were great at balancing their shopping with the stakes that came from them being broke.

I try not to think too much about "Billy Walsh"

gallo hasn't worked as close to the studios as walsh. they are both self-regarding dicks though and character-wise i can see it.

walsh is there for people who give a shit about things like story arcs and de palma movies

you know it seems sort of likely to me that billy walsh is a "composite" character based on many different real-life directors