Jimmy Fucking Stewart

i like the guy who is givin out wings.

happy 100th...

jesus ally was pushing like 45 different memes in this thread alone

i have never been a fan of this dude tho no matter how much i like vertigo

Those Anthony Mann westerns are really good.

how's that possible, max?

i have never been a fan of this dude tho no matter how much i like rear window

8 votes for Harvey and only 3 for The Shop Around the Corner?

Bad show, ILX.

still haven't seen The Mortal Storm, and Harvey getting more votes than Anatomy of a Murder = disgraceful.

But... but... Harvey is brilliant. And Stewart in it is wonderful!

i can't even think of a better actor than stewart, much less one who appeared in so many astonishing movies.

love this dude so much.

Rear Window: Great Hitchcock or Greatest Hitchcock?

I've never gotten through Harvey, so I am slackjawed about this:

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - Steven Spielberg will soon be seeing imaginary rabbits.

The filmmaker will direct as his next film a contemporary adaptation of Mary Chase's play "Harvey," about a (DRUNK) man and his friendship with an invisible, six-foot tall rabbit.

20th Century Fox and DreamWorks will co produce the project. Novelist Jonathan Tropper ("The Book of Joe") has written the adaptation for the new version.

"Harvey" was first adapted for the screen in 1950 with James Stewart in the starring role as Elwood P. Dowd. He received an Oscar nomination, while Josephine Hull took the prize for her supporting role.

No casting for the remake is in place yet; filming is set to begin early next year. Spielberg was last in theaters with 2008's "Indiana Jones" sequel.

I bought a pristine copy of Anatomy of a Murder last week -- still underrated as an "exploration" of how Stewart manipulated his aw-shucks persona for selfish ends (i.e. overturning a murder conviction on specious grounds).

No casting for the remake is in place yet

Please got don't let it be Mike Myers or Jim Carrey (or even worse, Mike Myers WITH Jim Carrey as Harvey, made visible to the audience for added gurning hilarity!)

'the mortal storm' isn't that great except for margaret sullavan's death scene which is of course classic. he was always great with margaret sullavan.

'the mortal storm' isn't that great

As Trinere once sang, wrong!

yeah, mortal storm is pretty good iirc

is it really possible that Spielberg would have any Elwood P Dowd but Tom Hanks?

Yeah, when I read that it seemed pretty obvious to me the role is for Tom Hanks.

i dunno 'the mortal storm' ranks with anti-fascist things like '3 comrades' and is to be more applauded for its message than the finished product. but they both have margaret sullavan and i love margaret sullavan so they are both pretty good. i wonder what the rules were on the accents in these movies, some people have them, some don't, was it a case that if you couldn't quite fake it they just told you to skip it? frank morgan as doddering old "jewish" college professor is great.

Tom Hanks would be a fine choice, assuming the movie needs to be remade at all, which it does not.

Oh Jesus... a visible Harvey would be one of the worst butcherings of a movie I've even heard of.

eveR

I'm pretty sure Harvey didn't need to be made the first time. If you want funny drunks, WC Fields is the man, no rabbit crap.

You don't understand. Harvey has Jimmy Stewart.

we need a Margaret Sullavan poll!

xp And he's not funny in the same way at all. He's a little bit obviously insane. WC Fields is more like, you want to buy him another drink, instead of back slowly away.

Come to think of it, the real danger of a Harvey remake, even with Tom Hanks, and even with the very best intentions, is that it would make it all too sad.

Harvey pretty much IS a proto-Hanks movie, all "high concept," etc.

I don't know how high concept it is. He's a complete souse who has gone totally mad. Bu he does charm. Oh yes he does.

Oh. I see what you mean.

Worse thing about the remake will be the CGI rabbit.

NO NO NO if there's a rabbit it falls apart!

Jeff Wells' blog says Hanks rejected it; Will Smith next?

Re Anatomy: his trademark marblemouth pronunciation is used to maximum effect when he keeps on emphasizing a certain word not heard in movies up until then, the aural equivalent of holding up a piece of evidence with tweezers.

His reactions in The Shop Around the Corner as he watches Margaret Sullavan read his letter = classic.

You know, it's about time somebody started a Fuck You, Jimmy Stewart thread. That guy was just pure evil.

It's time I started a Suggest Ban Clemenza thread.

I'm kidding; hope you are too.

i'm pretty sure i have stated this elsewhere but love love love the man in philadelphia story and cannot stand him in anything else

If you've seen Harvey and still feel that way, my gob is smacked

did nobody mention that the guy was a friggin Brigadier General and kickass pilot who flew dozens of missions in WW2

I've always thought it's kinda interesting that Cary Grant, Stewart's co-star in Philadelphia Story, often played very sophisticated characters and Stewart often got the folksy roles, but in real life Stewart graduated from Princeton with an architecture degree, whereas Grant came from a working-class background.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQVAC-l4RCzOVRLcWQH4CVJE4uJ3Vz8kl4kiued0yEqcYjfvmOvog

Yeah, I know, but I just thought it was an interesting bit of persona/person discord, especially considering that Stewart the person was often conflated with his roles, like when Harry S. Truman said he would've wanted a son "just like Jimmy Stewart" after seeing It's a Wonderful Life.

Watched (again!) Anatomy of a Murder last night - with James Cagney (and for opposite reasons), Stewart is still for me the quintessential movie actor.

Cagney is not in AOAM.

I think he meant James Cagney and James Stewart are the two quintessential movie actors, not that they're both in it.

Oh ok.

we need a Margaret Sullavan poll!

― Anatomy of a Morbius (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

saw Bell Book and Candle for the first time last night, which is much more a Novak than Stewart film (tho he is very funny drinking Hermione Gongold's toxic brew that's sposed to lift the love spell KN has put on him). Elsa Lanchester and Ernie Kovacs are funniest, brightening the corners. And it is of course weird to see the two stars together looking as they did that year in Vertigo, only on the (studio-faked) roof of the Flatiron Building.

My dad adores BB&C and Novak in it.

"As a bachelor, Stewart dated some of the most beautiful and charming women in Hollywood, including Ginger Rogers and Olivia de Havilland. He also had a brief, red-hot love affair with Marlene Dietrich during the filming of Destry Rides Again (1939), and it shows; they seem like an odd couple only if you haven’t seen them in the movie. Fonda would claim that Stewart got all the pretty girls, but his friend always countered that Fonda 'had his share, and then some': Janet Gaynor, Loretta Young, Lucille Ball."

https://www.villagevoice.com/2017/10/27/hollywoods-original-bffs-jimmy-stewart-and-henry-fonda-share-the-screen-at-last-in-film-forums-essential-retro/

Missing from this poll: Pot o' Gold Stewart called it his worst movie, but as far as B-grade wartime musicals go it's among my favorites.

I have an exceedingly irrational bias against Stewart. However, he will be the TCM November 2017 Star of the Month, so it is probably my best chance to catch up on certain titles I haven't seen.

Have seen and expect to revisit: The Shop Around the Corner, Rope
Have seen and see no need to revisit: The Philadelphia Story, Vertigo, After the Thin Man
Already planning to see: Anatomy of a Murder

Of the title I haven't seen, which ones would ILX recommend?

anything by Anthony Mann

Harvey is quite a thing.

i've avoided Harvey thus far out of "cutesy alcoholic" fears

his supposed aw-shucks persona kind of belied the fact that he was at his best playing unhinged and faintly dangerous men.

he's definitely more tolerable as the latter

i like Harvey but I can't see it working for anyone who hates Stewart

Rear Window might work, he's against type in that to some extent

if you go into It's a Wonderful Life knowing nothing about it, you'd be forgiven if you think that the last act will have him committing a couple murders.

Anatomy of a Murder is first-rate.

I just spent 20 minutes hunting for this video thanks to this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYvsjGroa78

by Rear Window he had already played dark and disturbed characters in several Mann westerns. As he's quoted in the VV story above, "I matured."

his supposed aw-shucks persona kind of belied the fact that he was at his best playing unhinged and faintly dangerous men.

Which is why Anatomy of a Murder tops my must-see list.

well, he's not unhinged there. In Ford's Two Rode Together he's kinda nasty.

Curious that the "Hank & Jim" retro in nYC contains neither of his joint appearances w/ Fonda, even though the films are (apparently) not good.

even if, I mean

In Anatomy his character consciously plays up the aw-shucks persona for devious ends; it's a canny performance.

Anatomy is worth it for Stewart saying "panties" alone.

Rear Window is one of his best roles - the limited set requires a very small, controlled performance, and it's a pleasure to see him reduce down but still give the level of stagey thought that many of his larger characters exhibit - and absolutely one of the best films he or Hitchcock did.

well said!

(I love the Capras and Harvey, but if you consider yourself Stewart-allergic already, they're not likely to change you.)

I'm actually looking to push myself because 1) I know my Stewart aversion is irrational, and 2) I need a detox from my Pre-Code fixation. Right now I'm figuring on watching Anatomy and the Mann westerns (possibly the other westerns as well). The Hitchcocks I'll save for when I next need a detox.

(I venerate Capra's early work with Stanwyck. I've heard of certain rather dark readings of Wonderful Life, but that's probably not what I should be cultivating right now. As for Harvey, sentimentality about alcoholism is the last thing I want.)

Watched a double bill of the Mann westerns the other night, Winchester '73 for the first time. JS is driven for dark, bloody family reasons; the b&w helps the noir sensibility; good, diverse support includes Shelley Winters, John McIntire, Dan Duryea at his slimiest, Will Geer as Wyatt Earp, v young Tony Curtis with about 6 lines as a cavalryman.

Might've seen Bend of the River before, not sure. JS has a dark past again, but is trying to run from it, and is paired with Arthur Kennedy as a sidekick/potential nemesis. (Guess.) Most striking for its portrayal of Western settlers as ready to turn on each other at the drop of a coin.

Rock Hudson appears in both -- a Sioux warrior in the first and a "San Francisco gambler" in the second.

So, The Mortal Storm (Borzage, 1940). I had to fight not to see it through my preconceptions of Stewart as the national Gary Stu, and I don't think I succeeded.

Fortunately, tomorrow TCM screens Rope and Anatomy of a Murder; I hope that these will be more to my taste. Also, I found 1940s filmmaking extraordinarily alien--I found the opening and closing voiceovers and the musical cues obvious AF. I normally associate such devices with someone trying to salvage a bad movie (which I don't think applies here).

Wow at Morbius just having seen Winchester ‘73

Harvey is borderline unbearable. Who's with me?

i rewatched it on the plane last year and it's bad imo

Will take your word for it; cannot imagine the circumstances under which I would watch it.

It and Arsenic and Old Ladies (typo intentional) were staples of Poppy Bush-era PBS. Not, uh, ideal intros to the two stars.

Stewart kept doing it on TV and stage into his 60s, called it his favorite role.

haven't seen it in twenty years, enjoyed it a lot as a young person who hadn't seen much else of him

"unbearable" is kind of harsh for a fairly inoffensive old movie, really

Who's with me?

(raises hand) First saw this as a child. Back then I liked the idea of a pooka, but found the utter lack of a pooka onscreen to be puzzling and very disappointing. I rewatched it about a dozen years ago. It is a bad movie.

In the meantime, I've watched The Far Country (Mann, 1955) and The Naked Spur (Mann, 1953). Unquestionably different from my initial associations with Stewart. Based on this sample of two films, I have begun to wonder if this period's Westerns aren't a masculine counterpart to the "Hag Horror" phenomenon (vehicles for studio performers who are too old to be plausible romantic leads yet do too much box office to be relegated to supporting roles). Just a thought.

We watched Shop Around the Corner again this Christmas. It's still splendid, but Stewart's much more of a dick to Margaret Sullavan than I remember.

but so is she

I get what Chuck is saying. For me, its Frank Morgan's movie anyway.

this is covered v briefly upthread 12 years ago

nonetheless what the fuck

The Pangboche Hand is an artifact from a Buddhist monastery in Pangboche, Nepal. Supporters contend that the hand is from a Yeti, a scientifically unrecognized animal purported to live in the Himalayan mountains. A finger bone from the hand was tested and the DNA shown to be human, according to some people. But there is also contradictory evidence. Also the supposed Yeti bone that was analyzed might have been the human bone that was replaced with a human bone in the 1950's (the monks were given money for this).[1]

Some people believe it was a real Yeti hand and there have been many sightings of yetis and yeti footprints, including: In 1953, Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay reported seeing large footprints while scaling Mount Everest. [2]

Others believe it was a real yeti bone and DNA analysis has shown that to be a possibility. Forensic analyst concluded that the hair from the finger contained an unknown DNA sequence. In early December 2007, American television presenter Joshua Gates and his team (Destination Truth) reported finding a series of footprints in the Everest region of Nepal resembling descriptions of Yeti.[3] Each of the footprints measured 33 cm (13 in) in length with five toes that measured a total of 25 cm (9.8 in) across. Casts were made of the prints for further research. The footprints were examined by Jeffrey Meldrum of Idaho State University, who believed them to be too morphologicaly accurate to be fake or man-made. Later in 2009, Gates made another investigation during which he discovered hair samples. A forensic analyst concluded that the hair contained an unknown DNA sequence. Thus, DNA evidence shows it could be a yeti hand and definitely isn't human. [4]

Oil businessman and adventurer Tom Slick first heard accounts of the possible existence of a "Yeti hand" held as a ritual artifact in the monastery at Pangboche during one of his first "Abominable Snowman" treks in 1957. The Slick expeditions were the first to bring photographs of the hand back to the West.

During later Tom Slick-sponsored expeditions in and around the Himalayas, his associates gathered more information on the "Pangboche hand," and an effort to further examine it was planned. In 1959 Peter Byrne, a member of Slick's expedition that year, reportedly stole pieces of the artifact after the monks who owned it refused to allow its removal for study.[1] Byrne claimed to have replaced the stolen bone fragments with human bones, rewrapping the hand to disguise his theft.[1]

Byrne smuggled the bones from Nepal into India, after which actor James Stewart allegedly smuggled the hand out of the country in his luggage.[1] Cryptozoologist Loren Coleman rediscovered this story while writing Tom Slick's biography in the 1980s. Coleman confirmed details of the incidents with written materials in the Slick archives, interviews with Byrne, and correspondence with Stewart. Byrne later confirmed the Pangboche hand story via a letter from Stewart that Byrne published in a general book on Nepalese wildlife.

!!!

Jimmy Stewart... a motherfucker with some dark secrets... about the YETI??

what in the world

jimmy stewart: actor, war hero, yeti-smuggler

the other dude mustve seen Harvey and been like “now THERES a dude I can entrust with the protection of this mythical beast”

Harvey is the kind of dazed whimsy that I more often than not cannot stand; I spent most of the time feeling uncomfortably reminded of 90s schmaltz like Forrest Gump, Powder, or any of those movies where John Travolta played someone magical. That Stewart manages an effective scene or two anyway is a testament to something, I guess.

Saw the restored version of this and it was staggeringly gorgeous. Looked like it was made yesterday, i was astonished.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jB4Vsi1UUM

First vintage B&W film to be released on 4K Disc domestically.

I have never understood what the scene with them falling through the dancefloor into the swimming pool is doing there, it seems to have been imported from another, very different film. why would Bedford Falls even have such a thing?

it is odd, I have literally never seen a swimming pool underneath a gym or dancefloor or any kind of floor really. It seems like the hydraulics required to move the floor back and forth would be unnecessarily expensive/complicated to maintain

huh

The place actually exists. It's called, fittingly, the Swim Gym, and belongs to Beverly Hills High School in Los Angeles. Here's how it works: The court is divided along the centerline, and each half is anchored to rows of two-by-fours atop steel I-beams. The court "opens" at the turn of a key—motors roll the platforms underneath the arena bleachers, where huge exhaust fans mitigate moisture. Then, 5 feet below, a 25-yard swimming pool appears. The floor in the movie has been lost to time, but recently Pacific Floor installed a new maple court in the space. Because the gym hovers around 60 percent humidity, Pacific Floor acclimated the flooring material longer than usual and installed it with a moisture content around 9%, says Sales Manager Mark Herthel. With the court "closed," the crews installed a 15-mm-thick vapor barrier, 9⁄16-inch-thick resilient padding and ¾-inch-thick plywood anchored into the retractable platform using steel channels. Then 1½-inch-wide maple flooring chosen for its stable vertical grain was installed. Pacific Floor closed off the sides of the subfloor using stop blocks and closed cell foam underlayment to prevent moisture from creeping up the side of the court. Before the flooring was sanded and finished, the crew sawed the court in half along the centerline and installed a 4-inch stair riser as nosing on both halves. For durability, they also placed an aluminum plate on the face of each platform where they meet.

i imagine it doesn't exist anywhere else other than at beverly hills high school where that scene was filmed

you are not correct

I have never understood what the scene with them falling through the dancefloor into the swimming pool is doing there

First, it is very cinematic. I've no doubt Capra liked it because it had so much visual and emotional appeal. Next, it is well-incorporated into the plot, allowing Stewart and Donna Reed to have a bonding moment. Sure, there were lots of ways to accomplish that plot point, but this one was visually energetic, unusual and highly memorable.

you are not correct

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, August 20, 2019 3:14 PM (eight minutes ago)

how?

why would Bedford Falls even have such a thing?

This question is not supposed to enter your mind. You see they have one, therefore they do. Wondering what went on in the meeting of the school board planning committee where they finalized their report to the full board in favor of placing a swimming pool under the gym floor should not be an issue for the audience.

loads of companies specializing in installing these, judging from a few minutes of googling. Granted it looks like more of a rich person's thing (as opposed to a high school)

xps

Was it super-well-known before the clip/s of it in Gremlins? I know it fell off the radar for a coupla decades but was it doing-the-rounds on tv in the 80s? It was the first i'd ever heard of it.

I had a Christmas Eve tradition at my grandmother’s house, every year they’d show It’s a Wonderful Life and A Christmas Carol back-to-back on the local pbs station and we’d watch them both every time. Probably did that for about 12 years in a row. That probably started for us in ‘79?

yeah the film was always an Xmas staple at my grandfather's house growing up, so it must have been regularly broadcast on some LA station from the mid-70s onward

i think it was in the public domain for a while, so TV stations could show it all the time

start watching Sadistic Jimmy in those Mann westerns

watched Bend of the River a few weeks back. The violence isn’t particularly gruesome but the situations are pretty bleak and it’s just shy of the not-dissimilar Ride the High Country in terms of being a dark tale of a gunman with a past and a duplicitous partner guarding loot (though there’s no redemption for the latter in BotR).

Stewart is marvelously tough in those Mann westerns.

PBS stations started showing it around Xmas in the early 70s iirc

Winchester '73

This is a really exceptional and tough western. Jimmy comes into Dodge City to participate in a shooting contest, the prize being the titular rifle, one of his opponents being a real sadistic prick from his past played by Stephen McNally. It's very easy to make shooting contest scenes, easier still to make them boring, this one is actually tense and crisply edited.

It's no spoiler to say the film ends in a showdown between these two guys, but it's what's in-between that really makes it even more interesting. A tense and bloodless card game showdown in a desolate roadhouse tavern which puts Hateful Eight to shame, a quick and brutal battle between calvarymen and one of those '50s western Native American tribes which are today problematic (but at least the film does nod slightly via dialogue from their warrior chief Rock Hudson(!) to the atrocities committed against them), and Dan Duryea pops up near the end as a cackling villain in league w/McNally.

For a fairly thin story on paper, there's a lot going on: several narrative threads being followed at once, some complex characterizations in minor roles, and that final shootout seems de rigueur at first but it's craftily directed, and as the gunfire grows more rapid you get the sense of two guys who have stopped taking potshots and instead want to blow the other guy's brains out. A key shot involves Stewart pinning down McNally between two rocks in a narrow outcropping, bullets ricocheting around and preventing him from moving.

It's hard to choose between that one and The Naked Spur.

Mann was an excellent director.

That final shootout in Winchester ‘73 is A++++. Never seen Bend of the River, looking forward to checking it out this weekend.

I've been wanting to see that one for a while. TCM never seems to air it, and it's not on any of my streaming services.

The Naked Spur is very good, yes.

from the local library along w/Winchester '73 I also checked out THE FAR COUNTRY, which is another gem. Beautiful location shooting in Alberta, though it takes place in Skagway, AK and Dawson City, in the Yukon. Jimmy is a deeply unsentimental cattle driver who has been moving a herd up north with partner Walter Brennan, and despite his best intentions he finds himself making friends (and just as many enemies) along the way, the former including Ruth Roman, Jay C. Flippen, Corinne Calvet, etc, latter including a bunch of fine Western stock actors like John McIntire, Jack Elam, and others. He doesn't want to have anything to do with either his new friends or new enemies, but eventually circumstances dictate he has to choose a side.

Like other Mann westerns it's got a lot more going on than the back of the DVD would suggest, and a leisurely pace that allows for most of the supporting characters to reveal themselves without rushing it and without relying on stock traits. Lots of standouts there.

It's also being released in the UK soon via Arrow, which has me hoping it will follow suit in the U.S.; this DVD looked decent enough but the scope of the film deserves a better treatment on blu-ray.

https://images.arrowfilms.com/Images/3e9d2414-7773-45a2-b94b-71422f3b81a3.jpg

I binged a lot of his Westerns a year or 2 ago thru the library. Reading the reactions here makes me think that's not a good way to view movies, cause these all blur together in my mind now. But I thiiiink Winchester 73 was my fav. (I was thinking the shootout in the rocks was from Bend of the River!)

Mann's films are so good that I can only assume his status relative to other filmmakers from his era is simply due to him being a director whose personality was not front-and-center, a guy whose reputation was perhaps that of a workmanlike craftsman rather than someone who chose interesting projects and elevated them seemingly every single time. I've yet to see one of his films that wasn't at least very good and most have been great.

yeah Bend of the River has a climactic gunfight at a river, near some rapids.

ok now I remember Far Country, really liked that one. Stewart + Brennan, how can you go wrong. Plus the judge was a good villian.
I don't think I've ever seen The Man From Laramie...

Anthony Mann, master director of noirs and westerns in the '40s and '50s

Bend of the River was filmed entirely on location in Oregon. I can recognize a fair number of the places it was shot.

Just seen The Naked Spur and I'm surprised by just how much he still moves me when he has fear in his eyes or just looks anxious. I seen Vertigo a long time ago and I almost can't believe that he had a similar effect on me.

Hard to prove but I think that there's just a bit of James Stewart in so many American comics with mystery/suspense plots.

From the 50s/60s

he's the embodiment of the noble good dude in a lot of ways, but when he's unhinged in his performances (which is pretty frequently), it's believable and often frightening. he shows a deep fury in some of the roles which seems impossible to rein in.

even in it's a wonderful life, as things start to fall apart and he starts to lash out, he starts to act more like a family annihilator than a family man.

I had "vertigo" on a computerized Scrabble rack today (I think the letters were even in order) with nowhere to play it. Found an open 'n' on the board and laid "revoting."

stewart is so great in conflict with himself, those flawed human moments, his reactions are really nuanced & true to life

He's more frightening than John Wayne.

stewart is so great in conflict with himself

hell, yes. his best moments on film are sublimely nuanced and calibrated bits of facial expression or physical tension. there are various close-ups in It's a Wonderful Life that are just killer.

I think Ebert said something about how Stewart's combat experience really shown through in most of his post-war performances.

Oh, good point!

I didn’t really know anything about his military service until I just now read up in his Wikipedia page. Seems to me other guys worked on USO-type stuff and propaganda films but he was flying Bomber missions to Germany.

yeah his access to that idk “extra gear” that he can shift into must come from that experience for sure, or at least adds to it… he’s not afraid to explore the darker psychological stuff

It really came out with Hitchcock and Anthony Mann, but seems to have always been there to some degree.

He's more frightening than John Wayne.

ts: crazy-eyed menace vs cold-eyed menace