vote of no confidence in ILX moderation (NB: not code)

hahah whoops

From what I can see he's being pissy because no one's responded to a thread when he gets in a strop with some girl on the noise board, calls her a stalker a few times and asks for her posts to be deleted.

but aren't you complaining about a lack of moderation on noise board?

lol the poll is authoritative. what is this, third grade?

no I rebuffed him so now I am in the "stalker/psycho" pile. :(((]

you're going about this in a completely inappropriate way.

I am going through an incredibly difficult period right now

At the moment, though, I'm really
nervous about handing out to anyone priviledges which will allow them
to ban any user from the entire site.

Maybe but is mods not reporting the fixes on the mod request threads significantly not as good a method?

Have there been any controversial moderator actions of late or is it just this supposed inaction that is causing controversy?

Also it would be good for different boards to have different moderators but imo NOT good for different boards to have different rules re reasons for banning, deleting etc. - not as long as all the boards remain together under the ILX banner and on the same server.

http://www.wessonbooks.com/images/ChillingEffectCover.jpg

http://www.boogybonbon.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/chilling-effects-exploit.gif

aren't you a mod now? didn't you ban me?

is it really a coincidence that the admin log thread started after YOU banned chaki from noise?

BIG QUESTIONS HARD ANSWERS

it is a coincidence.

i started the thread and didnt find out about the chaki ban until halfway through it.

schadencidence

If you don't use that as a song title sometime I'll protest violently.

isn't it true I banned you for being an aspie??

omg ban jw

http://www.chgs.umn.edu/coexistence/images/UngratefulWorld.jpg

jon if you really banned everybody on noise who had what you call asperger's it'd just be the noise babes + cutty

sexy results

Some Republicans rejected the measure as a relic of the British parliamentary system. "Is this what the business of the Senate is really about, a nonbinding, irrelevant resolution?" Sen. Trent Lott (Miss.) asked, complaining that Democrats should not have given up last week on a bipartisan immigration bill. "Maybe we should be calling for a vote of no confidence in the Senate."

haha, that might have been from one AP to another

some douchebag from midtown manhattan

this is still funny

seriously, can whoever is being a fascist dick tell me? OH WAIT ITS MISTER HUGE OVERINFLATED EGO

Damn those mods and their completely unprovoked modding tendencies.

http://209.85.215.104/search?q=cache:20zsK5CrjsgJ:www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet%3Fshowall%3Dtrue%26bookmarkedmessageid%3D39%26boardid%3D60%26threadid%3D6044+posts+very+much+in+character&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a#msg1341

can't believe i missed this thread :(

I don't actually care about this enough to bother arguing about it, if people want behind-the-back stuff about them deleted, they can have it deleted, regardless of whether it's a personal attack or not. Stop being an enormous baby.

when someone makes a post very much in character, can we link to it instead of copy-pasting it?

this is what workers are for.

I don't actually care about this enough to bother arguing about it, if people want behind-the-back stuff about them deleted, they can have it deleted, regardless of whether it's a personal attack or not. Stop being an enormous baby.

-- Matt DC, Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:35 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

"The legislation Congress approved early this year to make sure our intelligence professionals can continue to effectively monitor terrorist communications is set to expire in February. Allowing this law to lapse would open gaps in our intelligence and increase the danger to our country. Our intelligence professionals need these tools to keep our people safe, and they need Congress to ensure that these tools are not taken away."

- President George W. Bush 12/4/07

http://www.ilxor.com/faq.html#zing

^ could you add this to the faq, you fascist dick

Is the Jody Rosen I just saw in my local bookshop/music paper/Private Eye the same as ILX's Jody Beth Rosen?

no hot chick, no credibility.

Yeah, he is.

xp

when someone makes a post very much in character, can we link to it instead of copy-pasting it?

-- max, Wednesday, July 16, 2008 4:36 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

and the poster can ask the mods to delete/edit their post that's been linked to... you can remove all the intent/butthurtedness from the issue by just restating that a poster has the right to request a mod edit/delete their post and that this includes reposts.

or you could encourage ILXors to take some responsibility for what they post in the first place

no no we couldnt possibly do that

first they came for the noize board and I said nothing

maybe you could even do both

speaking for myself, and not for the mods in general, if someone takes the time to email me with a deletion request of something they wrote that has been reposted, i'll probably do it (i wasn't the one who did this deletion, but whatever). i know this isn't dead on with the old faq posted above, but i think we all remember the 1500 post clusterfuck a few months ago where stuff like this was specifically addressed. truth be told, my personal thinking is the same as n/a, but the way i look at it the only way to be fair about this, without letting my personal biases get involved, is to apply the same standards to everybody. which means that i'm not going to try to figure out who deserves to get posts removed and who doesn't, and what posts (only after specific request) are worthy of getting deleted.

http://tinyurl.com/THELEX

Why wasn't it public that John Justen is a site-wide mod?

you are the most predictable doosh

and what posts (only after specific request) are worthy of getting deleted.

you are the most predictable doosh

-- El Tomboto, Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:11 PM (50 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

that would be you mr chip on shoulder

I'd like to hear a convincing argument for why the mods would rather say "your cut-and-paste of another poster's words got deleted, deal with it" instead of "your embarrassing old post that you voluntarily put on the board yourself was quoted by another poster, deal with it."

I couldn't give two fucks about any of this bullshit so long as ILX just stays up and running and relatively troll and spam-free

lol @ aspies not understanding the implications of "reputation".

maybe you should hold another vote jon

People are robots at some level, right?

lol wait so did lex ask for the c+p to be deleted, or the original post, or what?

the c+p i think.

Before the law sits a gatekeeper. To this gatekeeper comes a man from the country who asks to gain entry into the law. But the gatekeeper says that he cannot grant him entry at the moment. The man thinks about it and then asks if he will be allowed to come in later on. “It is possible,” says the gatekeeper, “but not now.” At the moment the gate to the law stands open, as always, and the gatekeeper walks to the side, so the man bends over in order to see through the gate into the inside. When the gatekeeper notices that, he laughs and says: “If it tempts you so much, try it in spite of my prohibition. But take note: I am powerful. And I am only the most lowly gatekeeper. But from room to room stand gatekeepers, each more powerful than the other. I can’t endure even one glimpse of the third.” The man from the country has not expected such difficulties: the law should always be accessible for everyone, he thinks, but as he now looks more closely at the gatekeeper in his fur coat, at his large pointed nose and his long, thin, black Tartar’s beard, he decides that it would be better to wait until he gets permission to go inside. The gatekeeper gives him a stool and allows him to sit down at the side in front of the gate. There he sits for days and years. He makes many attempts to be let in, and he wears the gatekeeper out with his requests. The gatekeeper often interrogates him briefly, questioning him about his homeland and many other things, but they are indifferent questions, the kind great men put, and at the end he always tells him once more that he cannot let him inside yet. The man, who has equipped himself with many things for his journey, spends everything, no matter how valuable, to win over the gatekeeper. The latter takes it all but, as he does so, says, “I am taking this only so that you do not think you have failed to do anything.” During the many years the man observes the gatekeeper almost continuously. He forgets the other gatekeepers, and this one seems to him the only obstacle for entry into the law. He curses the unlucky circumstance, in the first years thoughtlessly and out loud, later, as he grows old, he still mumbles to himself. He becomes childish and, since in the long years studying the gatekeeper he has come to know the fleas in his fur collar, he even asks the fleas to help him persuade the gatekeeper. Finally his eyesight grows weak, and he does not know whether things are really darker around him or whether his eyes are merely deceiving him. But he recognizes now in the darkness an illumination which breaks inextinguishably out of the gateway to the law. Now he no longer has much time to live. Before his death he gathers in his head all his experiences of the entire time up into one question which he has not yet put to the gatekeeper. He waves to him, since he can no longer lift up his stiffening body. The gatekeeper has to bend way down to him, for the great difference has changed things to the disadvantage of the man. “What do you still want to know, then?” asks the gatekeeper. “You are insatiable.” “Everyone strives after the law,” says the man, “so how is that in these many years no one except me has requested entry?” The gatekeeper sees that the man is already dying and, in order to reach his diminishing sense of hearing, he shouts at him, “Here no one else can gain entry, since this entrance was assigned only to you. I’m going now to close it.”

tl; dr

should jon have a poll to see if tombot is a choad?

i am amused by the fact that this whole argument comes down to the abridgement of the inalienable right to c+p posts

I'd like to hear a convincing argument for why the mods would rather say "your cut-and-paste of another poster's words got deleted, deal with it" instead of "your embarrassing old post that you voluntarily put on the board yourself was quoted by another poster, deal with it."

i'm not convinced that you would like to be convinced

i am amused by the fact that this whole argument comes down to the abridgement of the inalienable right to c+p posts

-- John Justen, Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:20 AM (9 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

FIRST AMENDMENT

hahahaha

haha jon why aren't you all pissed at the lex about this?

Because that would make sense...?

Why would I be mad at him? People ask the mods to do unreasonable shit all the time and generally they don't

i feel like a dickhead for typing 'the lex' btw

xp do they? like what?

tbh it would be sort of nice to have mods answer like john did instead "lol why should i tell u why this is the policy"

Face it Jon. The problem isn't that the mods are nazis. The problem is that you are an established twat.

xp do they? like what?

-- goole, Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:24 PM (Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:24 PM) Bookmark Link

back rubs, mostly.

Why can't we talk about The Lex being a priss?

we can talk about it here if you like

The request was for the cut and paste, and the following post essentially going 'lol gay' as well, which I think I forgot to redelete. I almost refused tbh because I knew we'd get this pointless wank, but as I've deleted posts at the request of Dom, NRQ and various others I thought I might as well show consistency.

The initial cut and pastes are innocuous enough and it's of no consequence to me whether they're there or not, ditto the cached link. I've deleted the posts I was to, Lex is perfectly capable of fighting his own battle if he wants to.

I would say I've got better things to do this evening than argue about but I haven't really, I just can't be fucked because, well it doesn't really matter to me either way.

can i request the mods to delete unfunny excelsior posts?

Catsuppppppppppp dude 茄蕃
Twat, est. 1981
In Deo speramus

^ delete this unfunny post (xp)

i'm not convinced that you would like to be convinced

-- blueski, Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:20 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

no really, obv I've taken sides in this shit before but that's mainly because I haven't heard such an argument, and I'm willing to learn about some circumstances where that course of action makes perfect sense other than garden variety meta dicks vs. waaaahmbulance conflicts.

Because Tom seems to be in the process of nuking the choad poll thread, I'm putting this in here instead; equally appropriate.
http://ros2379.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/monkey-knife-fight.jpg

blueski, i would be the first to suggest that post should be deleted if it ever made it to an excelsior thread.

^this is something I can get behind

The request was for the cut and paste, and the following post essentially going 'lol gay' as well, which I think I forgot to redelete. I almost refused tbh because I knew we'd get this pointless wank, but as I've deleted posts at the request of Dom, NRQ and various others I thought I might as well show consistency.

I thought about deleting the LOL gay post myself right after posting it FWIW but I decided to be controversial.

If you're going to make fun of a gay man actually being effeminate in any other way that copy/pasting, you will come across as homophobic.

Can anyone solve this problem?

lol wtf I didn't delete the chode poll

prove it

ILX needs a mother.

i thought we were supposed to be lolling at him acting high class

What is this "class" you speak of? :)

thx for the reply matt

I'd like to hear a convincing argument for why the mods would rather say "your cut-and-paste of another poster's words got deleted, deal with it" instead of "your embarrassing old post that you voluntarily put on the board yourself was quoted by another poster, deal with it."

Posting something embarrassing may or may not break the "don't-be-a-dick" rule. Depending on what the post is and its context, it may make sense for someone to ask for it to be deleted.

Copying someone else's posts onto a thread intended to make fun of the original posters, regardless of whether it is meant to be mean-spirited or good-natured, does break the "don't-be-a-dick" rule because you are taking someone else's words out of context and putting them somewhere else where they may be used against the original poster without his/her knowledge. The original poster did not consent to have their words put on that thread and, since they do retain copyright, they do have the right to ask for those posts to be deleted.

Is that convincing?

(Yes, this applies to the excelsior threads, too; to my knowledge, no one's complained about them.)

If you're going to make fun of a gay man actually being effeminate in any other way that copy/pasting, you will come across as homophobic.

Can anyone solve this problem?

ON IPHONE

Quoting is universally recognized as fair use. xpost

the thing to do is to start going "you are a clueless fuckface" or "omg so hilarious" right there in the thread, let's see how that goes

ya actually i think tons of ppl called him out on the thread itself

you are a clueless fuckface

YOUR A DOUCHE

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omg so hilarious

Good points, HI DERE, although I was going off the same assumption as Jon, which was that quoting was considered fair use unless it's something offboard or otherwise stalker-y.

"acting high class," lol

fair use vs fair context

I can't find anything in the deletion log about this. Can someone show me?

so which one of you two makes better mexican food?

candyfloss is a surprisingly good pizza topping

does jon know what a blended haircut is? oh wait.

sounds classy

lol wtf I didn't delete the chode poll

-- El Tomboto, Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:36 PM (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Jon, did u cut off nose to spite your face?

Good points, HI DERE, although I was going off the same assumption as Jon, which was that quoting was considered fair use unless it's something offboard or otherwise stalker-y.

It's an interesting question and not one that's easily resolved; either the people being made fun of are going to be mad because they have no avenue to stop their words from proliferating on the site in ways harmful to them, or the people making fun are going to be mad because their commentary is getting censored at someone else's request.

I do think that if everyone tries to not be a dick, the question becomes moot.

In my IRL job, I write a feature called "What the Messageboards Are Saying" on our Web site. In it, I quote sports threads and link back to the original posts. Even with copyright, there's a fair use law that applies to me.

You could make the argument that it applies to anyone who posts here.

I do think that if everyone tries to not be a dick, the question becomes moot.

I agree, but that'll never happen. I think the question might also become moot if everybody just adapted a stiff upper lip about anything that wasn't genuinely threatening or libelous, which has at least a shred of a better chance of happening.

can we just poll 'do ilxors have the right to have posts where they've been quoted for cheap laughs by someone else, most likely on one of those no-good nick sub-boards, edited/removed' and be done?

omg so hilarious

In my IRL job, I write a feature called "What the Messageboards Are Saying" on our Web site. In it, I quote sports threads and link back to the original posts. Even with copyright, there's a fair use law that applies to me.

Do you write for Deadspin? If so, keep up the good work.

or drop the 'do ilxors have the right' bit and make it 'is ilx better when ilxors'

Maybe we could just poll 'what is an acceptable amount of sand to have in one's vagina?' and be done with it?

- none at all
- grain
- pinch
- handful
- sandpit
- beach
- Gobi Desert

I agree, but that'll never happen. I think the question might also become moot if everybody just adapted a stiff upper lip about anything that wasn't genuinely threatening or libelous, which has at least a shred of a better chance of happening.

Clearly that's not going to happen either, otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation right now!

so glad that sandy vagina is making a comeback against butthurt

reposting someone's post for LOLs is clearly somewhat dickish, but the poster complaining about it is like someone handing out free waterballoons and then complaining for getting soaked

the original or the reposter?

why would the reposter complain about it?

I AM MAD THAT I POSTED A QUOTE BY SOMEONE ELSE PLEASE DELETE

the reposters are complaining that the mods have soaked them

reposting someone's post for LOLs is clearly somewhat dickish, but the poster complaining about it is like someone handing out free waterballoons and then complaining for getting soaked

...Which they get to do. I'm not really sure where you're going here besides "lol whiners"...?

Do you write for Deadspin? If so, keep up the good work.

No, but we do frequently rip them off.

do they get mad when you c&p?

i'm saying the people who get mad when people quote their embarrassing posts should bear some of the blame for posting embarrassing shit in the first place. and if they don't think it's embarrassing, then why should they care if someone else quotes it?

i mean, i'd like mods to go back and delete all the stupid shit i wrote on ILX like five years ago but i have a feeling it isn't going to happen. but if i get jon to quote it, then i can have it deleted?

btw i do have confidence in ilx moderation, i just think this is a little silly

The crux of the "fair use" argument is "Is it fair use on this messageboard to use someone else's words to make fun of them on another thread?" If it is, those posts should not be deleted; however, if the posts themselves break another conduct rule (such as "don't be a dick"), perhaps the correct response is to ban the people doing this when complaints are made?

i mean, i'd like mods to go back and delete all the stupid shit i wrote on ILX like five years ago but i have a feeling it isn't going to happen. but if i get jon to quote it, then i can have it deleted?

No. Regardless of whether someone reposts them to make fun of you or not, the original posts aren't being touched, much as in the case that sparked this the original posts made by Lex weren't touched. You aren't really arguing a point here beyond "I don't like touchy posters".

I like to argue.

i think my point, which is that people who post dumb shit should have to deal with the consequences of posting dumb shit, including being made fun of, is pretty clear

i think this thread is about 30 seconds away from being locked

why would the reposter complain about it?

it's the reposter here that seems to be getting all butthurt about getting slapped on the wrist

don't you mean wristhurt?

it's a very sensitive butt

poll: sandy vagina vs butthurt

The whole "don't be a dick" rule would mean a lot more if some of the mods weren't dicks pretty often. Not that I don't think they shouldn't be allowed to have opinions and be blunt like everyone else here, a lot of posters are at their best when they're total dicks. It just makes it all a little harder to accept the value judgements being handed down sometimes.

By the way, you can read the original posts by following the tinyurl in my profile.

xpost

I didn't even originally repost it! I was just pissed about the never ending encroachment on my board by unaccountable jackasses. (Of course, I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that the free spirit days are over.)

i think my point, which is that people who post dumb shit should have to deal with the consequences of posting dumb shit, including being made fun of, is pretty clear

The counterpoint, which is "do it on the thread where it's happening", is also pretty clear.

what does it matter?

If you call people out on threads where they are making idiotic or dickish pronoucnements, well, it could lead to a decent debate about why this is an idiotic or dickish thing to say. Or it could lead to a pointless clusterfuck.

But if everyone just cut and pasted things they disagreed with or thought were idiotic to another board where the poster in question might not see it, just to go 'lol dick', well that's actually detrimental to debate.

ability to respond to the zing without clicking several times a day on a bunch of generically titled lol threads on boards you don't use to see if you've been zinged does make this two different things, though, right?

xpost

personal responsibility only extends to the poster not the reposter

i am def not mr huggalovable cuddlestein mountain, and i do in general suggest that the growing a thicker skin/lol internet approach is a good way to go, but if some people aren't going to, it hardly seems like a SHOCKING TRAVESTY that mods shrug their shoulders and delete a c+p post when someone asks?

I have absolutely no problem with posters flaming each other if they're capable of giving as good as they get and taking it when they get flamed back, provided they avoid slinging offboard personal shit.

(And even then, if it's happening in an exchange, well it's up to one of them to request its deletion)

-- some dude, Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:40 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^ chaki???

http://static.flickr.com/94/212894948_21295f59ef_o.jpg

fine then ... LOL WHINERS

Is that girl sitting on that dude's lap?

"today's the day i tell john bolton i love him"

-- some dude, Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:40 AM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^ chaki???

-- libcrypt, Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:02 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

OUCH

that is like unintentional burn for all time, i might have to ask that to be deleted to save face

MODS I AM COMING CRAWLING BACK ASKING FOR YOUR HELP IN DEFENDING ME AGAINST ACCUSATIONS OF BEING CHAKI

I don't know why you picked "some dude"

can we just tell people you're alex in baltimore then so as to end the confusion

Hey Nude Spock, is it okay if I just let it be known here that you are not Chaki?

some dude knows who chaki is far too well

DAMMIT XPOST!

Chaki had a little "episode" at me this morning and I was just trying to guess which guy he is on this thread 'cause he obv is here and I think I have now confirmation totes.

lol

what if we were all chaki

we can be chakis,
just for one day.

heave ho is a feeling

til the next episode

chaki is definitely some dude

i have a hot sockpuppet waiting for me in my screenname so ill say this

so do I have to delete all these now or what

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y176/edwardiii/im_bored.gif

thread of missing chaki sockpuppets

darning sockpuppets

too many loose threads

some goon

what's a goon to a goblin?

some goon

-- am0n, Wednesday, July 16, 2008 3:54 PM (31 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i have a bust it baby waiting for me in my bed so ill say this

Definition DUDE of Real

* Personal threads. If a thread is started discussing a registered user or their actions, that user has the right to ask for it to be deleted or locked. The thread does not have to be an attack on the

^^ lulz

i really wanted to change my screenname to 'Definition GOON Of Real' the other day

a lot of posters are at their best when they're total dicks

like who? this is a bit tuomasy but i can't think of a single person this would apply to. peace brother.

candyfloss is a surprisingly good pizza topping

-- Just got offed, Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:52 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

dude its either fairy floss or cotton candy. pick a side.

Oh wow, this is a Britishes vs Merkins schism I don't think we've done before.

Haha I just had to Google 'fairy floss', okay Britishes vs Merkins vs Mongrels.

WTF??

i kind of agree with the 'some posters are best when they are total dicks' thing, but then again, the dickishness is never directed at me

there are lol-dicks and there are actual dicks

loldicks: dom
actual dicks: pipecock

ADMIN: This is not a democracy

from an earlier, more innocent time

i prefer lolling ones

This is not the thread for everyone to take potshots at each other. Start your own threads for that (which I will then summarily delete).

-- Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, December 2, 2003 11:49 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

how long did that last

and what posts (only after specific request) are worthy of getting deleted.

-- J0rdan S., Wednesday, July 16, 2008 5:12 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

I move that this post be deleted as it can be misread as an ethan dis.

^ i move that post be deleted as J0rdan may not have consented to it's reproduction.

in future ILX, posters will have to voluntarily sign a Creative Commons license to allow the unsupervised reproduction of their posts.

i move that thermo's post be deleted because he uses j0rdan's name in the post without his permission.

and my post should be deleted for the same reason

delete 'omar little' from the internet because hes taken the name of a copyrighted character

based on a real person who is, as of this posting, still uncompensated.

max and thermo's assertion that omar little had prior knowledge of aforementioned character is questionable and should be stricken from the record

how long did that last

Probably until 11:50.

it used to be all about the music

i'm saying the people who get mad when people quote their embarrassing posts should bear some of the blame for posting embarrassing shit in the first place. and if they don't think it's embarrassing, then why should they care if someone else quotes it?

-- n/a, Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:26 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

defacing someone else's post with strikethroughs that alter its meaning should be considered an especially severe offense.

defacing someone else's post with strikethroughs that alter its meaning should be considered an especially severe offense.

-- some dude, Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:01 PM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

defacing someone else's post with strikethroughs that alter its meaning should be considered an especially severe offense.

-- some dude, Thursday, July 17, 2008 7:01 PM (3 minutes ago)

oh boo. that didn't work :(

ethithoer

ive been trying real hard to stay out of this but catsupppppppppppppp dudes strikethrus seem sinister enough that i think his last post should be deleted

resisting urge to repost entire thread to thread

Ban and delete Edward III from life for C+Ping his grandfather twice to create self.

I definitely need more life moderation

I vote no confidence in my own moderation

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