The Bourne Ultimatum

newer, longer trailer - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRtCdnhjNuk

SO EXCITED
love these movies so much

whoo hoo

bad. ass.

Oh I love! Was v disappointed when Marie was killed in the second, the books were so much more complicated & with character development etc etc obv but I am fond of M Damon and these movies kick it.

Yes the start of the second was like the start of Alien 3, it was dramatic but completely negated the end of the previous films, AND your emotional investment in it.

Yeah. The movie Bourne is a superman, he can "find" himself without any help, simply by being a hardass who wants it enough. But book Jason B has to remake his mind & emotions v laboriously b/c the returning memories are tragedy and loss and violence and how much agency did he really have when he did monstrous things? And Marie is the only reason he sticks it out.

I'd stick it out for Marie.

I'd stick... nm

i think that this is the perfect role for m damon, or at least in the first movie, where, yeah, there was less hardass and more questioning of self (naturally) - that's what made the character watchable and was so closely tied to the plot. whereas the second one was more like WHOAOAOAOA we are going reaaally faaast yowwwww@! but with some emotion from bourne bc after all, they'd killed marie (i was v sad and surprised abt that). i don't quite know what to expect from this one b/c he's obv more 'in control', less confused abt who he is and more into how he got to be that person. so though i am excited i am also sorta worried that it might be too straight-up action movie? and could they top the final car chase scenes from the last one?? those were so rad

i have not read the books! i have never been able to get into ludlum's, uh, style - also car chases and kitchen fights and running along tops of buildings are better in movies obv

from the longer trailer it would appear greengrass has subscribed to at least one parkour chase newsletter, which is excellent news

ooh yes
i'm really glad this is greengrass again

i've not read the books either, but i would love more marie!

nevertheless, i am a total fan of these movies, and i am generally not an action movie type at all. wld not mind more character development with occasional kickass actions stuff, but come one, american audiences, etc.

stoked and apprehensive

gleeful.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCxTVH4VGHY
matt damon!

FRIDAY

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!

IWILL WATHC THIS.

Is it meant to be good? I hope so.

:D

I completely missed the fact that the Bourne movies were a popular series.

popular in the way that a lot of people who might not normally go out to the theatre to watch movies will go out to the theatre and watch this movie . gets the older demographic too.

i just watched a bit of the beginning of 'the talented mr ripley' and y'know, matt damon! i used to not really care but several years ago i realized: matt damon!
p.s. 'the departed' is really awesome

i am glad beth parker is excited abt this movie :)

i never go to the movies, but i already have plans to go with my friend to see this next weekend! for me, i saw the first one on a 'let's go to the movies tonight what's playing? oh i guess we'll see that' whim and was like 'woah!!! that was awesome!'. not usually an action movie person, but i really liked it! the european setting helped, too, i think. it's funny, i have always liked 'the talented mr. ripley' but i think not because of damon. i do, though, think that the jason bourne role is one of the best things he's done (of what i've seen of his work, anyway).

i've said it before: damon as bourne = one of the most perfect casting choices ever

I completely missed the fact that you are a chump, a mark and a rube, Curtis >:(

my stokedness levels are at an all-time high for this!!! it's funny to think how i was wary of greengrass taking over before supremacy came out, i really disliked bloody sunday, but it turns out he is pretty much perfect for this kind of movie. they could make a hundred more of these and i'd watch them all.

i bet greengrizzle could make a wikked batman movie~

I wasn't criticizing the series! All this hype surrounding it just completely flew over my head until this movie!

i love matt damon and would let him invade me, no homo

there is a pretty tough balancing act to these movies when i think about it, getting the audience to take it seriously while indulging all kinds of action movie craziness? well mb not that seriously, but the last movie made me have, like, EMOTIONS guys.

i am going to blog abt these movies probably

This series might be the first successful reboot in the 'spy movie' form as mass entertainment since Bond, though I'm probably overstating the impact of forty years, while any number of HK spy films work with their own particular formula brilliantly. Still, I've been wondering if there's any American or European non-comedic/parodic spy movie series that's been as noticeable -- the various le Carre adaptations have been mixed while the most successful was the 70s TV series (which might be Guinness's finest moment but that's another matter). Anyone?

mission impossible nedry

Haha, I probably counted that one out because it seems so schizophrenic to me. (That and, well, Tom Cruise.)

The preview for this one makes me think it'll be the weakest of the three :/ Stupid youtube keeps deleting the matt damon team america clips too. :( MATT DAMON

car chases and kitchen fights and running along tops of buildings are better in movies obv

-- rrrobyn, Wednesday, July 4, 2007 6:43 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Link

OTMFM

curtis is right, i think -- the second movie got all kinds of love, but the first one wasn't *much* bigger than, say, 'shooter'.

I'm going to rent Identity and Supremacy just to refresh, for optimum experience.

the scene in supremacy where he casually kicks the shit out of the american consulate dude and clones his cell phone is just awesome.

i have during the course of discussing my psychedness for this discovered that the bourne movies have extreeeeemely wide appeal and are in fact the most popular films ever made ever. srsly everyone likes them. everyone.

I'm going to rent Identity and Supremacy just to refresh, for optimum experience.

yes this is good, will do.

we should find out if morbs likes them

If he doesn't he should be ashamed.

but we should find out

HEY MORBS DO YOU LIKE THE BOURNE MOVIES ?

but the first one wasn't *much* bigger than, say, 'shooter'.

Let us know if waffle cones play any minor role in this movie. kthxbye.

oh, i'm sure 'shooter' will do that when it breaks wide. why, it's only been on release a few months /man from old-timey hollywood

xpost

I wonder if they'll manage the unprecedented and follow up an even-better sequel with an even-even-better second sequel. Certainly, the second movie is an absolute stormer. Milo's claim that they're better than the best Bonds is thoroughly OTM. Stoked, psyched, on the sharpest of tenterhooks, however you want to put it.

I'm watching B.I. right now and it is better than the second one. But Supremacy was v. good, too.

The discovery of this thread and the Bourne love has made me feel about 10 different flavors or relief today. Very excited to see this.

And yes, I feel flavors. I'm good like that.

please please please please no Godfather III syndrome.

i would be more concerned abt Alien 3 syndrome really
but no, this is going to be awesome

also, i kinda liked alien 3 anyway

yeah alien 3 was sweet

I had no problem with Alien III.

Yeah, dude. Alien III was fun.

And unless Greengrass casts his non-thespian daughter as the emotional center of the movie, and the Damon goes through the movie doing saying things like "ZAZA!", I think we're good on the GFIII.

Although, and I don't want to start a fight here, my buddy thinks that GFIII is the only way that story could have ended. Aside from the fact that GFII has one of the most perfect endings ever.

Whatever. Friday, its Bourne. Saturday, Simpsons.

Great movie weekend. Awesome.

ok I love these but people who are comparing them strength for strength to the bond movies are missing some of the point of the james bond character vs. "jason bourne" or whoever he is. I mean one guy is generally a golden rule monogamist while the other just hates rich people so much he'd BTK all of them given a chance, that's why he loves his job. Bourne pointedly does NOT love his job, he just had an aptitude that the government took advantage of.

I am so totally stoked this is finally coming out.

ok i have reviewed the identity and supremacy and i am so totally amped!

why don't I own either of those? I need to correct this immediately.

i own identity but it's @ the rents' with the rest of my movie collection (which is 90% vhs and difficult to keep when you move 3x a year)

Good point, Tombot. Plus, Bond=semi silly, Bourne=serious as a heart attack.

DUDES

THIS

MOVIE

WAS

AWESOME.

maybe my favourite of the three

Awes!

omg omg
my heart is seriously beating faster at reading that, slocki
eeeeeee

one rad set piece after another. kinda brilliant in places. also i thought the greengrass shaky cam worked a lot better than in 2.

sweet!!

i think i am going monday :D

CAN
NOT
WAIT

Slocki's praise = sweeeet.

whatever happened to the ludlum title generator?? one of the great useless scripts on the internets.

its still on archive.org.

hahaha awesome

"the proteus emergence"

"the hague perception"

Oh wow weird I wrote a Ludlum title generator when I was 11 or so. It is not archived anywhere.

"The Agamemnon Demand"

I will be seeing this tomorrow.

Matt, like Connery, is a-losin' the hair

Man, the only Identity they had at Best Buy was some "EXTENDED EDITION" bullshit w/ alternate beginning and ending.

Matt, like Connery, is a-losin' the hair

who are you?

I didn't realize until about an hour in that the awesome magazine fight was in Supremacy.

Damon/Bourne looks so skinny at the start - he beefed up for the second, didn't he?

there's a great sequel to the magazine fight in 3.

does the bourne bone the stiles

btw eater kudos!!! go on IL Computers and see if it can be implemented as a feature.

Personally I feel that all ILX questions should have the option to generate a random topic from a selection of random semantic fuckscripts but that's because I #$%^#$%#$%^&

"The Tombot Conniption"

Anyway, good if too short piece with Dan Bradley, the second unit/action director for all three films plus more than a few others.

ooh, Paddy Considine is in this too

Rob Gretton vs. Jason Bourne

wowowowow, everything you could hope for and more, except for Joan Allen's line from the trailer. Best chase scene of the series.

btw, Julia you are v v pretty. (why did Nicky and Marie both go from brunette to... darker brunette? wouldn't the logical hair-changing choice have been to bleach them to hell?)

SO GOOD.

The music was occasionally intrusive. Was the CIA "asset" in London the same guy in NYC at the end? If so, that seems a little illogical. Otherwise, really really great. An editing masterpiece.

can't wait for monday!

amazon just sent me an email saying i can 'rent' supremacy for .99. this means download and then once you hit play you have 24 hrs to watch. worth it as a refresher course?

You're only out a buck, go for it.

Do Damon and Joan Allen finally cut through the crap and pork each other?

yeah, through a layer of crap. it's kind of disgusting.

I like the idea of Joan Allen porking anyone.

sure man. sex is natural and healthy.

Sex is natural, sex is good.

i say let it all hang out. smoke 'em if you got 'em.

I was into this, but yeah, it was weird that a) the same CIA hit man was in NYC, and b) that he just got his face all fucked up in that huge car accident, but didn't have a scratch on him at the end?

Lucky he had those moist towelettes in his glove compartment. A hitman's gotta look good at all times.

I AM GOING TO SEE THIS TONIGHT?

YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A GOOD TIME

btw kiu old man next to me who kept his ears covered with his hands almost the entire movie except whenever bourne did something awesome, when he had to use his hands to applaud

this movie is the best trilogy capper of the summer, which leads into my next thread

i listened to greengrass interview and saw damon on letterman the other day. there *could* be more so let's not cap it off just yet.

anyway i should probably stop reading this thread til after i've seen it. plan was for monday but i may push for tomorrow.

I like those close-up shots of faces where the back of the head of the person they're speaking too is blocking, like, a third of the frame. This happens a few times during the movie, especially in the indoor scenes with Damon and Stiles. Nice way of framing.

Man, this is just so brilliantly shot overall. It really captures how certain things can happen in a split-second and, if captured on video, would just be a blur.

An editing masterpiece.

It really is. That thing ran like a well-oiled machine. The fight scene with Desh particularly stood out, insofar as it recalled some of the fight scenes from Batman Begins in its "the camera is barely sufficient to fully capture the swift and brutal fervor of hardcore slugfests" approach, except that the Bourne fight was wholly coherent despite the blinding pace. Nolan should be taking notes.

So did anyone else pick up on the fact that Nicky and Jason/David might have had some kind of history before he joined Treadstone? Seems like she hinted at it during one of their conversations, only for it be followed by a long silence. If they pick up any of the ideas for a 4th film, I hope that's the one.

Definitely a hint of a relationship there. "You don't remember anything, do you?"

I thought she was implying they'd had some sex WHILE he was in treadstone, unless killing machines don't get to knock boots. But yeah, something went down. If she had any way of knowing about the hair-dying scene in the first movie, I would have thought she was intentionally recreating it to rekindle something.

I enjoyed the movie, though somewhere in the Morocco chase I kinda got distracted by my thought and when I tried to get back in the action my eyes were glazing over from the shakey-cam. It really wasn't until Bourne and Desh were kicking the shit out of each other that I hooked back in. Greengrass definitely puts more craft into this kinda thing, makes sure you don't miss the important stuff, but I don't think that THAT much jostling was necessary throughout.

(SORTA SPOILER SORTA SPOILER SORTA SPOILER)

When the keyb-strings blurted out at the end during the water shots, I was really hoping to hear Shirley Bassey shout "HE GAVE ME AN ULLLLLTIMAAAATUUUUM...ONE THAT I COULD NOT REFUUUUUUSE"

distracted by my thought<i>s</i>...

It wasn't a very subtle nod toward teh screwing, but that was the one wrong note in the movie, I think. Nicky never gave any sign of having gotten it on in prior movies - she showed kindness/tenderness toward him because she felt bad for having helped run him into nuttiness and that's a perfectly suitable explanation for all three movies.

Watched Supremacy again last night, definitely my favorite of the three. I love me some Brian Cox.

I like how the message of the movie is that, if women ran the world, men would not be allowed to make Matt Damon do bad things.

Yeah, I've noticed a strong maternal instinct in all the female leads throughout the whole trilogy.

the rest of the "assets" can get fucked, WE HAVE TO PROTECT GOOD WILL HUNTING!!

People in my theater were getting ready to applaud the end of the Desh fight, then the actual killing was so brutal it sucked the air out of the room. Awesome.

i liked it not as much as 1st 2. not quite so much bourne-cleverness, just as much bourne-ass-kicking. also it seems he may just be bionic or something now. i think my favorite was the whole interaction w/the reporter. also enjoyed the incorporation of the last scene of supremacy. getting in their office and taunting them and then surviving all this car crashes was maybe just a little too much. and fat brain cox replacement finally revealing everything was kinda whatever.

lots of people survive car crashes everyday! also it would be really easy to get into an office like that one as long as you have a badge to swipe and know how to jimmy the lock in a fire escape, I thought it through, assuming they forgot to deactivate nikki's credentials (hey why bother she's dead right)

The thing is the way he fell into the east river is not how you would fall into water from that height if you wanted to survive. But at some point it's just a movie, you know?

the best part of the fight in tangiers was the cookbook vs. candlestick

I wondered about the buildings too, both the CIA buildings. Considering security at NYC office buildings in general, you'd have to assume that both of them would have at least a few barriers of resistance. (And is Julia Stiles's access card valid at any CIA location worldwide?)

On the other hand, I think Greengrass's style is good at keeping the audience from thinking too much, by having all this stuff happen that moves to quickly to be captured on film.

Everyone laughed when he pistol-whipped the guy in the opening scene, I think because it was such an unnecessary "and stay down!" move.

yeah but he survived like 5 car crashes and a bombing and i'd think it'd be a little harder to get into the most secret place on earth and the bragging made no sense. the way he got into the safe was sweet tho.

fat brain cox replacement
hey! that's albert finney.

i thought it was weird how it revealed that he absolutely chose to enter the prgogram. hasn't he been the victim throughout all 3 movies? is it supposed to change how we feel about him?

^^^^^^^^^o shit. SPOLER^^^^^^^^^

that should not by any means be a spoiler for anyone who has seen either of the first two movies.

I thought that there would be a reveal about why his life was so fucked up in the first place that he volunteered, but I guess he was just trying to be a good soldier and didn't know what he was getting into?

really? i remember it being portrayed that bourne was turned into a killer by nefarious dudes, with little blame on him.

In the books it's that he had a Vietnamese (I think) wife and children and lived on a river in SE Asia somewhere and then a (US?) military plane strafed through on some kind of possible unauthorized run and destroyed the house/killed everyone, at which point Bourne had nothing left to live for etc etc fatalism-cakes. Haven't seen third movie yet but considering the mess they've made of Marie, the whole Treadstone operation, the European powers' motivations for involvement, stuff in France etc etc, I'm not surprised that they don't explain satisfactorily.

Is anyone else going to read the books? I don't want to spoil things with any more points.

The books plots are significantly more convoluted and non-sensical than the movies.

as a dude who works and has worked in "the secretest place(s) on earth" I will say the two OTMest things in the summers' blockbusters so far have been:
1. the best signals intelligence analyst on earth being a black, overweight redskins fan (from xformers)
2. an office full of "top secret" shit in a leased office building being not that hard to infiltrate, mostly because nobody expects you to even try (tbu)

also not really as satisfyingly contradictory to established form, but something I enjoyed about this one, is that leave it to some CIA douchebags to engage in really incredibly criminal, treasonous shit, and DOCUMENT ALL OF IT for somebody to find later. "12/22/97, poisoned all the water in california to see if autism rates would go up. results a clear success."

Haven't seen third movie yet but considering the mess they've made of Marie, the whole Treadstone operation, the European powers' motivations for involvement, stuff in France etc etc, I'm not surprised that they don't explain satisfactorily.

What mess? It all makes perfect sense to me, except the part where CIA is routinely flying dozens of operatives all over the world with no prior notice at all to chase after some dude who they would rather pretend didn't exist. Then again there was that time in Spain where like a half-dozen CIA agents, an air force officer, and the US ambassodor all got charged with kidnapping because they couldn't be bothered to stay off their cell phones for ten minutes trying some cocked-up "rendition" on some poor algerian cleric or whomever

I got lost with the Jackal confrontations, the made-up village, etc in the third book, but I was on board w/ plots through the first two. Considering that I didn't expect a hell of a lot to begin with, I was quite happy.

YEAH BUT THEY KNEW JASON BOURNE WAS AFTER THEM! JASON BOURNE !!!

also their clearance was "above top secret"

Oh back to the movie though, did anybody else feel really sorry for that poor bastard in the blue hoodie? He's probably in croatia by the end of the film getting dunked repeatedly.

there is no above top secret

there is "secure compartmented information" which basically all TS info is anyway

in the movie there is "above top sectet"

hence: ""

I read the novels in 9th/10th grade, and literally all I remember is a scene in Switzerland where there's a slideshow and he has to run across the room during the brief moment when the slides are changing and the room is dark.

is there as much punching in the books?

Oh back to the movie though, did anybody else feel really sorry for that poor bastard in the blue hoodie?

That's what the dumb sap gets for working at the agenc... uh, never mind.

what I am appreciating "in the movie" is that the sequence is handled much more realistically (and entertainingly) than the typical drawn-out cat burglar bullshit

wait the guy in the blue hoodie was one of the spotters? that doesn't make sense

He was just a dude.

yeah

TomB, wasn't that Italy?

this thing - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6732897.stm

why you asking him his clearance is not even above top secret

david strathairn's handling of his dialogue was so great in this too

"this is a code ten abort!!"

oh right thanks TracerH

one of those catholic countries with the fascism and the grapes and shit

i can't tell you how much faith i have that the italian court system will see to it that justice is done in this case

oh none at all, duh, point being at least they got outed for being a bunch of fucking clowns.

(BTW this is off topic but brings up why "information sharing" between the military and intelligence community members and law enforcement organizations will never work, because the FBI and the SS et al. don't WANT to know that shit, they'd have to put a bunch of people in jail)

I don't know if it was true in your cineplex, but in mine all of the previews leading up to this movie were also about torture and this-isn't-who-we-are.

about torture and this-isn't-who-we-are.

We had Alvin & the Chipmunks, so yes.

"I don't know if it was true in your cineplex, but in mine all of the previews leading up to this movie were also about torture and this-isn't-who-we-are."

It was certainly true in mine. Robert Redford lectured us about being complacent.

mmm, he's still dreamy.

We also got to see Beowulf which looked like the an awful combination of 300, Alexander and the Polar Express.

Oh yeah WTF

"THIS...IS....HEOROTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!"

Lemmee see if I can remember em all:

Redford lectures us about how George Bush is all our fault.
Reese Witherspoon's hubby gets renditioned. I think it was called Rendition.
Jamie Foxxx and Alias in Saudi Arabia and Justine Bateman's brother gets beat up on.
Angelina Joliewulf.
Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe re-make Black Caesar (BASED ON TRUE EVENTS!) This actually looked like it might be good.

Might have been another YOUR GOVERNMENT IS NOT GOOD preview in there, but I can't recall.

I saw the Chimpunk's preview before the Simpsons.

Oh wait I forgot Russell Crowe and Little Dieter in Billy the Not So Young and Gee He Doesn't Look Like Pat Garrett.

Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe re-make Black Caesar

Oh yeah, that did look pretty tight.

for our previews we got the Ray Charles, Bob Hanssen & Elektra Team-Up In Muslim Land Movie, Death Wish (Kevin Bacon Mix), Death Wish (Jodie Foster Mix), and French Connection III: Denzel vs. Crowe.

xposts to all the other jokes about the same movies.

I saw the Chimpunk's preview before the Simpsons.

-- Alex in SF, Monday, August 6, 2007 4:36 PM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

chimp punk!!

"Nick Hume, a local business manager of Boston, was a peaceful, calm and very caring man to his family with the perfect life, but all that change one night when his eldest son was murdered during a hold-up. After witnessing the killer who was later arrested, the justice department couldn't give a more reasoning sentencing on John's behalf. In order for his family and his life to move on, John turns to violence, revenge, and vigilantism. He vows to kill each perpetrator on the streets who was involved in the murder of his son, while at the same time the gang vows their own revenge agenda."

Jamie Foxxx and Alias in Saudi Arabia and Justine Bateman's brother gets beat up on.

I saw a preview screening of this one (The Kingdom) last month -- good setup but fumbles in the second half. Tries to slip in "I thought we were the good guys" conscience as an afterthought. A few good sequences, but I so so so wish Michael Mann would have directed instead of produced.

"Jodie plays an average young woman who has been brutally attacked and seeks revenge on her attackers as well as other ruthless thugs who prey on innocent New Yorkers using unusual means of vigilante justice."

UNUSUAL!

Directed by Neil Jordan. Weird.

I like revenge movies.

the accused 2

"I WANT MY DOG BACK"!

oh and some awful looking cronenburg shit with Viggo and Naomi Watts and the russian mob.

"innocent New Yorkers"

Yeah riiiiight.

"oh and some awful looking cronenburg shit with Viggo and Naomi Watts and the russian mob"

EASTERN PROMISES!

the thing about the jodie foster movie, besides just being like o rly, is the fact that jodie foster is 78 years old and should not be playing a 25ish williamsburg hipster girl.

she isn't, she's playing Richard Branson

wait how the hell did I fuck that up, Charles Bronson

jesus christ I'm an old man

well she's equally unsuited to that role. xpost

I had no idea that Richard Branson was raped in Manhattan and his dog was killed, but the more I think about it, the more it explains.

haha jodie foster as richard branson is brilliant but didn't she already do that in "contact"?

richard branson and mconaughehghwjguyg flirting about jehovah

Jodie Foster as Richard Branson would definitely be appropriate for the 'Ornaldo Bloomps as Adam Ant' movie Ally and I cooked up once.

Jude Law as Boy George?

omg I did not realize death wish was like jeff goldblum's first movie

I am on page 108 of The Bourne Ultimatum and it's awful. Ridiculous dialogue, fight sequences are difficult if not impossible to follow (best thing about the three movies: action directors who know how to make readable fight scenes!!!) and based on the portrayal here I never in a million years would have thought to cast Bourne as Strong Silent Will Hunting.

it's 1/10 as good as the novel that Shooter was based on.

Denzel Washington and Russell Crowe re-make Black Caesar (BASED ON TRUE EVENTS!) This actually looked like it might be good.

This looked awesome, I was so stoked when they started playing "Heart of the City."

:)

I fucking loved it, and I think Nicky is either his former girlfriend or his sister. BRING ME MORE BOURNE.

In other news - WHAT, I ASK YOU, THE FUCK? http://imdb.com/title/tt0094791/

yeah think it's def that he and nicky had a thing

so good. was a little worried I wouldn't love it

:):):):):)

Going tonight! Finally!

I'm still a bit jittery. it was so exciting!

I loved Julia Stiles's miserable face and the bit where she just said "It was difficult... for me... with you" and that's all that needed to be said. She didn't say much.

It wasn't quite as good as the bit at the end of The Bourne Supremacy where a tear rolls down Oksana Akinshina's cheek, but what is?

I guess I just to see Matt Damon upsetting women.

He can upset me any day of the week.

I loved Julia Stiles's miserable face and the bit where she just said "It was difficult... for me... with you" and that's all that needed to be said. She didn't say much.

The only scene b/w two human beings worth a damn. This was totally vaporous. I saw a picture of Matt Damon today and said, "Oh, right, I saw Bourne on Saturday."

Of its kind, it's quite good, but quite good action films are so rare these days that we tend to overrate stuff like this. Unlike the last one, which approached greatness, there isn't a scintilla of humanity in this film: no whiff of sex, suggestion of perversion, etc.

Good Greenglass interview on The Treatment:
http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/tt

It says a lot about a film when you cast Pat Nixon as an embittered intelligence chief.

:):)

The fight scene with Desh particularly stood out, insofar as it recalled some of the fight scenes from Batman Begins in its "the camera is barely sufficient to fully capture the swift and brutal fervor of hardcore slugfests" approach, except that the Bourne fight was wholly coherent despite the blinding pace.

I totally agree with this. I have a really low tolerance for fast-cut close-up fight scenes (I know this is turning into a bit of a "use other criticisms of action films please" thing, but it's TRUE!). This was fast and close-up as you like, but you could totally follow what was going on, physically. Great editing.

AWESOMENESS!!!!! Now I can read this thread.

So, has anyone seen "Shooter?" The Stephen Hunter books are SO GOOD. Esp. the Bob Lee Swagger books. I was a little disappointed when he shifted his focus to Bob Lee's father Earl, though those books are okay.

Shooter was good - not Bourne good, but very enjoyable even with Kate Mara's ridiculous KY accent and country boy Bob Lee occasionally sounding like he's from Southie.

I've seen the last one already and think it was the greatest of 3. i liked last 2 also but ULTIMATUM was a rock. I loved the part when he called that guy and asked him where he was, and then after that guy told Damon that he was in the office Damon replied: If you were in the office we would have this conversation face to face. Funny guy. I liked it! recommend to everyone

That was a great scene! It showed Bourne's absolute lack of fear in letting the bad guys know exactly where he was! He didn't have to do that!

He had to call Straithairn to get a recording of his voice to open his safe, but you're right, he didn't have to let him know where he was. Also, I have a problem with his voiceprint-reading safe not knowing the difference between live and memorex.

OH! I didn't realize that was how he opened it. I thought he had seen the combination when he looked with his spyglass.

Sometimes I don't take in everything that's going on in the frame, because I'm fixating on the actor's weird mole or something.

He got the voice recording and lifted a thumbprint off of his phone or drinking glass or something.

there are so many problems one could have

I loved the little bits in the action sequences, like punching the book horizontally into Lesh's throat and adjusting the mirror when driving backwards on the car park whilst ducking to avoid getting shot.

Tangier sequence was amazing chase fun, and Waterloo station navigation was brilliantly executed.

I liked it when he got thrown through the bathroom door into the shower and then threw everything from the shower like a cloth and a toothbrush holder or something at desh

loved him instructing paddy c, too

I've really been tempted to call friends and order them around like Bourne.

"mom, listen to me. walk to the window NOW. do you see the red car. ON THE RIGHT. Do you SEE the RED CAR?"

I do that with my mother when she calls me with computer questions that I had just answered the day before.

Haha, just after reading the second-to last comment and before reading the last one I had decided to post something like "That IS how I talk to my mother."

I LOVED the first two Bourne movies and was mightily stoked for this but found it disappointing, in that there isn't a scintilla of humanity in this film (per upthread). I was too tired to really enjoy anything when I saw it, though, and would watch again on DVD.

not a scintilla of humanity? GOOD
thats why i go to see these movies

in other news, julia stiles was *stunningly* attractive in this movie
did not see that coming

Sure, the movie wasn't awash with smarmy affirmations, but there was humanity. J. Stile's smile when the "body was not found" was more romantic than some entire movies. And the final confrontation between Bourne and the assassin had many scintillas of humanity. He could have killed the guy, of course—he IS Jason Bourne, but he chose to get the guy to reciprocate his own act of mercy—to stop acting like a machine. In part 3, "The Bourne Epiphany," that assassin guy will be a Trappist monk, whiling away the hours making red currant jelly. Jason Bourne will attend Webb family reunions, grow a huge beer belly and make babies with what's-her-name, who will have gone through all the possible hair colors, settling at last on platinum blonde.

not platinum blonde! nooooooooooooo!

"not a scintilla of humanity" is what the gals call "emotionally unavailable."

Julia Stiles has been stunningly attractive in all three.

"not a scintilla of humanity" is what the gals call "emotionally unavailable."

Sure. In normal relationships, not movies.

julia stiles is NOT attractive in all three
especially not the first one
i dont remember her in the 2nd one so ill withhold for now

but the 2nd one? heeeeyyyy! *thumbs*

uh, 3rd one
is what i mean
</booze>

I'm just saying, emotionally unavailable men are people too!

:D

pre-credit sequence deliberately (and brilliantly) pointless. subverting our expectations. then when the film really began, the waterloo sequence was like some sort of action-movie bolero. astonishing. then, fuck, it just kept on accelerating from there.

soundtrack was absolutely top-notch. ought to win an oscar. no, really. the music during his scene with finney (i assume finney was the trainer guy) blew me away.

in summary, pretty much AS awesome as i expected, stiles twist probably bumping it slightly up. only downside: parkour chase preceding fight with 'desh' went on a smidgen too long. but i'm not really complaining. just that they reached a natural point of climax, then played it out for two fairly unnecessary minutes. apart from that, this film's rhythm was bang on.

no whiff of sex, suggestion of perversion, etc.

-- Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 15 August 2007 23:17 (3 days ago) Link

wtf

this was brilliant, i think even better than 'supremacy'. i'm torn between 'go out on top' and 'MOAR'.

i think tom stoppard's mugshot (from a long time ago) was used as a photo among people bourne had iced (or something) in a file -- he did a script polish.

Meh.

Paul Greengrass should direct every action film out there, but he needs to work with Scott Frank or somebody.

then all action films could have the hi-octane thrills of 'the interpreter'.

he did a script polish.

i thought it was just a script czech

a real emotional rollercoaster!

(xpost)

haha

xpost

What was stamped across the files of the murder victims? Not "murdered." And was it in the same place on each one? Did the guy actually have a RUBBER STAMP?

i think there were literally only two lols in this film:

1) im un ur office, usin ur phone
2) "he drove off the roof"

there were others eg paddy thinking the cleaner at waterloo was a baddy "he's reaching for a gun!!" or the CIA trying to work out the relevance of landy's fake birthday but I laughed a lot otherwise

1) im un ur office, usin ur phone

Actually, the moment I truly cracked up was in response to the CIA head honcho's subsequent shouts of "We have Code Ten abort! Code Ten abort!" It was a totally over-the top exclamation mark on the end of the film's train of jargon (code four situation, code six security etc).

rjg is right, there were other funny things, though paddy c might have been right? typical guardian writer fear of ordinary people though lol.

I enjoyed it but definitely poorer than Bourne 2, whatever that was called, the names blur into one in my mine.

My problem with it was that the blurred/fast cut editing didn't add to the tension of the scenes, especially the chase in Tangier, but took away from it, in fact I was quite bored at some points in that chase. It aspires to be a gritty, hyperreal experience but the fast cuts and blurred images are more artifical and distancing than real life. Those scenes reminded me of some dodgy shoegazeing video from the early 90s.

David S. making bad middle-management/Rumsfeld-type mistakes was often funny.

i saw this yesterday. not really my kinda movie but i saw it based on the hearty recommendations of film geeks i trust. nevertheless... not really my kinda movie. i HATE that style of editing. but, you know, i'm a child of glacially slow '70s cinema where you can savor what's going on in each shot. i was hoping to get more out of the location porn.

great movie

three people have enthused wildly at me about this today. it's not something i'd have even considered going to see. ach. i'll give it a try.

that's the spirit.

stet has just told me not to bother as i've not seen the first two so won't appreciate it as much.

IS STET TALKING ARSE? you decide.

if "definitely go and see it, clot" == "don't bother", that is.

the answer there is to watch the other two. itv2 showed the first one tonight, and the second is on this week. the second is more important here than the first.

ah! ta.

also i thought the greengrass shaky cam worked a lot better than in 2.

Only if "better" = "makes me even more nauseous." Although The Constant Gardener is still the only movie that actually made me vomit.

wow....a brilliant action film, how many of those are there? I am actually physically tired after that, totally exhilarating, just a bombardment of action and events, but not confusing. they really crammed the film full of detail. how long is it? felt like an hour. definitely one of the best action films in god knows how long.

People who get sick from shakey-cam are WUSSES.

That was awesome. The touchstones from the first two films were really neatly done -- "Look at us. Look what they make you give" that Bourne says to the assassin is said to Bourne in the first film; the slightly altered call from Bourne to Joan thingy too. 3rd in trilogy films can get a bit heavy-handed with that, but this was just deft.

And a cameo from Alan Rusbridger! That was a real Guardian page they'd done for the film too -- and movies are usually worse at making newspaper pages than they are at doing computers.

Even though I re-watched them last week, I really wish I hadn't given away the first two Bourne films yesterday. I want to watch them again then run out and see this again. Moving is so depressing.

might be going, again, tomorrow!

"Look at us. Look what they make you give" that Bourne says to the assassin is said to Bourne in the first film

oh shit rly? was it clive owen who said that? i may see this again too.

Yeh, it was Clive Owen's last words. I also just realised that the end of this film is just like the start of the first.

People who get sick from shakey-cam are WUSSES.

OTM, get a grip ffs people

i just saw 'identity'. the second two are 200% better. but also there's so little techno-stuff in the first one. maybe it was designed to be old-school in that way coz so many '90s thrillers had lame computery shit in them. i dunno. but the kind of things bourne does in 'identity', hee'd never get away with later, they'd pick his face up off a speed camera or some shit.

Yeah, the "conservatism" of the first film was what made it such a surprise hit.

They tracked him through the embassy using the magical 'zoom and clarify' of every spy thriller ever, though.

And the CIA didn't catch him coming into Europe, England or the US in the 2nd and 3rd, for that matter - so I don't think there was really that much of a difference between the three.

The first one seemed a better Bond film (albeit his identity confusion) for now than the new Casino Royale turned out to be. Haven't seen the second or third ones, but looking forward to them.

I liked this film. Now to read the thread...

After reading thread basically everyone who liked it: OTM.

was brill. exhausting to watch though.

but they should have given it a christian evangelical twist and called it Bourne Again

that'll be the next one! bourne takin out fundies.

loved this. joan crawford is teh information professional!

this film had everything!!!

it made me laugh!

it had bits that was like woah!! omg that bit where like it was already 1/4 into the movie and then he phones that chick and it was like OMG THAT WAS AT THE END OF THAT OTHER MOVIE OMG WTF LOL WTF HAHA BRILLIANT.

AND IT HAD THAT BIT WHERE FINALLY A FILM EXPLAINS WHY VILLAIN ASSASSINS ARE ALWAYS INEPT AND NEVER SUCCEED - THEY USE FUCKING MOTOROLA V3s HAHAHHAHAHA FULEZ!!! THIS IS WHY YOU FAIL! YOU CAN'T EVEN TEXT MESSAGE EFFICIENTLY WITH YOUR PHONE HOW DO YOU KILL PEOPLE??!??!?!?!?

AND THIS FILM HAS A 43 BUS THAT STOPS AT WATERLOO STATION!!!!!!! THIS FILM HAS EVERYTHING!

ooh ken you transport minx

seriously though.. MOTOROLA V3! government be bad at assigning contracts.

The 43 at Waterloo really took me out of the movie. STOP GETTING BUSES WRONG.

Ken, I thought the same thing re. crapness of phones!

Oh, Jeebus. If I had a nickle for every movie that gets DC or LA wrong, I'd be able to pay my rent for two months.

(See Die Hard with a Vengeance [combo from the 9th St. Tunnel in DC to the tunnel under the Wells Fargo Center in downtown LA])

dude blam you know no movie gets dc wronger than NO WAY OUT

i think certain bits of the waterloo bit were shot at ldn bridge y/n, hence the 43 bus.

Ah, worse than the 43 bus was

Bourne: "Meet me at Waterloo, the SOUTH entrance".
Guardian stooge: [to taxi driver] "Waterloo please, the SOUTH ENTRANCE".
Baddies: "SOUTH entrance! They're going to the SOUTH entrance! Everybody get to the SOUTH entrance!"

... they all go to the North entrance.

i'm not 100% sure about that. it was an imaginary version that sort of took in york street and the one opposite the old vic (ish) -- but also bits of london bridge

poetic license yo.

Londoners be pedantic whiners!

Actually thinking about it... Waterloo is pretty confusing, it doesn't even make sense to say north or south entrance, but obv they had to say something simple... "meet me at the kind of north west entrance - not the main one, round to the right a bit, it's on York Road, er..." yeah that wouldn't have worked so well.

xpost I'm pretty sure it was all on york rd though, and it did all hang together, no egregious location changes or anything. Yeah ok I'll let 'em off.

I loved it when the "you look tired Pam" bit from the end of the 2nd suddenly happened in the middle. Even though all that russia stuff at the beginning should have tipped me off to the timeline shenanigans.

waterloo's one of those stations you have to memorise - you can't orient yourself using common sense

uh the you look tired pam repeat never occured to me as like the same time thought he was just doing it again but she does tell him david webb in supremacy...uh I am confused

it's marginally different from at the end of 'supremacy'. partly coz it's intercut with strathairn listening in. but maybe in other ways.

she gives him the birthday clue in both versions.

he isn't doing it again coz the film follows on directly from the end of 'supremacy'.

that was my favourite bit.

btw was the guardian office the one in farringdon opposite the betsey? it looked more glitz than that. and with so many taxis about.

she seems too relaxed and like she hasn't heard from him in yonks at the end of supremacy

I think it's rubbish

1) she is a pro
2) she can't be like 'omg omg it's jason bourne!!!!!!' coz they'd have to set up a perimeter etc then
3) it was cool

she works for the secret agents thingie place, she has to be able to stay calm and bluff, i know because i played metal gear solid before and sometimes you have to like pretend to be a box so people don't notice you.

xpost

maybe it's OK

This movie was fun!

Hang on, that bit in the office was supposed to be the same bit as last time? I thought they were playing it out again so she could slip him the birthday. Shit, need to go see this again now.

Yeah, they were being listened to so they deliberately said the same stuff, so they both knew the other knew.

no, they weren't playing it out again. 'ultimatum' carries on directly from 'supremacy'. and landy only starts work at the new york office during the course of 'ultimatum'.

this movie SUCKED!

LOL

i finally saw this a few weeks ago! it was awesome! and the perfect thing to see at the time. even my friend who doesn't really like action movies lamented that he'd wished he'd majored in spy skills not english lit

was anyone else expecting, right at the end, yet another toned and brooding hitman to receive a call in his hotel room while he was lying on his bed, staring at the wall? this must have happened at least four times in the movie. why not a fifth? and then swing into action. these hitmen - they don't read, they don't eat. they just wait in hotel rooms.

q: where does bourne get his money from?

tip: if you ever watch this movie again, look at damon's face when he's talking to pat nixon in person, near the end of the movie. it seriously looks like he's about to corpse it. it's like he can't believe that he has to say such inane nonsense with a straight face.

q: where does bourne get his money from?

anonymous donations through third parties.

and i said maybe you have spy skills that were inserted into yr subconscious by latin profs frustrated with the state of the world, but you don't know it and they just need to be UNLOCKED
xpost

i do wonder where he gets his money

PADDY CONSIDINE
Despite the fact that you have managed to keep me out of harm’s way using your superhuman powers of movement calculation, I will suddenly not trust you and run out into the middle of the station randomly.

He DOES, and he gets SHOT.

Back in EUROPE, MATT DAMON follows some clues to a building, where he happens to find JULIA STILES.

MATT DAMON

You? What the hell are you doing here?

JULIA STILES

I was contractually obligated to appear, so I was written in awkwardly. Amazing coincidence I’d be here at the same time you arrived, eh?

MATT DAMON

Hmm. Yes, it is quite the coincidence. Normally this sort of serendipity would indicate something suspicious is going on, but given the quality of the writing so far, I’ll actually assume this really is just stupid luck. Will you help me get my life back and betray your organization?

JULIA STILES

The same organization that has killed people for betraying them, with my assistance?

MATT DAMON

Yeah, that one.

JULIA STILES

Sure, why not? I definitely trust you, even though the last time I saw you, you held a gun to my head and made me cry in a subway broom closet.

MATT DAMON
It’s me, Matt Damon. I assume that you’ve grown to respect how awesome I am since you tried to apprehend me in the last movie, so you’ll probably be willing to help me now. Oh, by the way… I LIKE WHAT YOU’VE DONE WITH YOUR HAIR!!!!

JOAN ALLEN
OH MY GOD!!!! NOT ONLY ARE YOU ON THE PHONE, BUT YOU ARE ALSO WATCHING ME!!!

MATT DAMON
THAT’S RIGHT!! THAT’S HOW FUCKING CRAZY AWESOME I AM!!!

JOAN ALLEN
HOLY MOTHERFUCKING SHIT!!

MATT DAMON
Man, I love that trick. I can’t believe that shit still surprises you, since I’ve revealed I could see you in every single phone conversation we’ve ever had.

those are all from here - http://www.the-editing-room.com/bourne3.html

can't people just watch a cool movie and have fun these days

All movies must be verifiable documentaries, you escapist.

also HOLY SHIT I AM WATCHING A MOVIE NOT SOMEONES REAL LIFE EVENTS? HOW DO I SHOT ELEMENTARY FILM THEORYY?

that is as sarcastic as i'm gonna get this week

takes too much energy

i don't care how realistic it is, the dialogue sucked, none of it made any sense, and there was zero emotional investment in any of it

we'd seen bourne flash back to traumatic events in his past before, but in the previous two they also provided tantalizing clues about what was to come - this time we got jerky overexposed video with a spooky albert finney voice and there is no mystery to it whatsoever

the previous ones had their moments of cheese, but at least it gave you an excuse to care what happened - this one gave you nothing

we'd seen the "i'm watching you right now" thing before, and it was thrilling - this time you see it coming from a mile away and it does nothing

we'd seen a slow-drip of other assassins called in to kill bourne before, but they had personalities before - these guys are expressionless cologne advertisement henchmen

paddy considine gets total short shrift and his whole part of the story goes nowhere

i have to admit it was v funny to watch david straithairn and joan allen yelling sub-24isms at each other

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"don't make me call a code 10 abort on your ass, joan"

LOL I just saw this a few days go and I will go with Ebert and say, I don't give a shit about who Bourne is or why he's so angry or sad or what anyone else's motivation is, I just want fucked-up cinematography, Matt Damon beating people up and awesome car chases. and on that level, A++.

i think i would have actually been fine with it if that's all there was

let's move, people! YEEEEAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOW

hahaha how many times did strathairn say that

"i want eyeballs on the street, people!!"

i think my favorite dude was strathairn's stocky and prematurely balding flunky who had like a bluetooth headset or something - everytime he was given an order he would look confused for a split second and then burst into a flurry of finger-pointing and barking

HOW CRAP was that CIA team, my god

er, Tracer, did you understand that the "I can see you" thing was a repeat of the last film?

yes, but i guess you're saying that was intentional?

http://elseptimoarte.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/david-strathairn.jpg

"bourne's on a date... with my wife? in this building??"

http://elseptimoarte.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/david-strathairn.jpg

"bourne is out there. he can't be bargained with. he can't be reasoned with. he doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. and he absolutely will not stop until he knows... his real name."

Yes, it was intentional. It was the same exchange as the end of Supremacy, but fit back into the new story.

uhh ok!

you realize i hate this movie and don't care, right?

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"are you telling me... that jason bourne is actually inside my ANUS right now? code ten abort. CODE TEN ABORT, DAMMIT."

i love this movie to pieces but tracer hand w/ A+ morning comedy right now.

people looking for emotional investment in their action movies are what caused john woo to add that last scene in face off so to hell with that

Like I said on another thread yesterday, "We have a code 10 abort, repeat, a CODE TEN ABORT" is the funnehest movie moment of the year. Jord4n S otm.

"we're going mobile" ftw

i love this movie to pieces but tracer hand w/ A+ morning comedy right now.

otm lol

the second one was better, it's true
but i have watched it and 1st one 5+ times and i'll watch supremacy 5+ times probably too or maybe just the chase & fighting scenes b/c yeah roz/ebert also otm

dude tracer I have no idea what you expected from this but clearly you just have a bad attitude so whatever. Strathairn is so awesome in this, he's almost having too much fun with it.

but I mean I'm watching a CSI Miami episode now where the premise is that three people got VAPORIZED, and Delko is asking Dusquesne how she knows there were THREE and she is all "...because I found three pairs of shoes." and now she's talking about some kind of gun that fires one hundred thousand rounds per minute. AWESOME.

ahahaha

what would happen if you shrunk this gun so a four-inch tall person could wield it?

"CODE TEN ABORT" has not yet made it to Youtube. :(

however, both codetenabort and code10abort.com are available

this movie is three incredible set pieces and who cares about the (totally competent & workmanlike) spy movie shit in between. they alone put it in my top 10 of the year.

I really enjoy the "workmanlike spy shit," the way the CIA black ops chieftans are always trying to pull some sub-mamet "I'm in charge so I talk to you like THIS" shit to pretend they have some kind of control over the situation, and meanwhile everything bourne says is totally flat and mundane.

And I've said this before but I REALLY REALLY loved the fact that they didn't put any stupid cat burglar bullshit in for him breaking into strathairn's office, he just gets them all to leave, then takes the elevator and swipes in with stiles' badge or whatever, wham bam. No lasers, minimal fuss.

this movie is nearly perfect.

i could watch the end scene of the newscaster saying "but his body has not been recovered" immediately followed by the screeching violins from that moby song forever.

yeah the song itself is actually pretty crap but when those whole notes sound out at the end of a bourne movie it's always awesome. it's the awesome alarm going off. bad-ass!! bad-ass!! bad-ass!! bad-ass!!

I just got back from seeing this again - last chance for big-screen chase scenes.
It occured to me that Bourne's lines of dialog could probably fill two pages at the most. This works.

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"Did somebody bring McDonald's in here and then not throw it away?"

it's the awesome alarm going off. bad-ass!! bad-ass!! bad-ass!! bad-ass!!

-- El Tomboto, Tuesday, 11 December 2007 07:29 (2 hours ago) Link

lololololololol

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Seriously, you guys. Who took the last cruller?

There were five of them RIGHT HERE when I came in this morning. OK Jimmy, turn this place upside down. THAT WASN'T A REQUEST.

speaking of the CIA, tonight I get to watch Tom Hanks defeat the Soviets in Afghanistan.

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Bourne constitutes a threat to this agency and to this country. I want him taken out. That means DEAD! I WANT EYEBALLS ALL OVER THE DEAD MAN JASON BOURNE. Jimmy! That means I want you to watch him very closely, it doesn't mean... oh forget it.

(Cut to Jimmy absently chewing a cruller, a mound of McDonald's trash in front of him on the desk.)

you should go on the road with this.

I AM ON THE ROAD WITH THIS

The Jimmy character needs more development

your sense of awesome needs more development

code custos abort

we bought this today btw, happy times

when did this turn into the lord custos tribute thread?

oh, already duly noted by gff

this movie and the whole series owns the fuckin' zone dudes.

bourne is a str8 up G.

No talkin bad bout Jimmy

I always felt real bad for that kid who got himself stabbed by Bryan Cox in the second one. The Intern Who Knew Too Much

Bryan Cox was even more of a badass than Jason Bourne

That intern was cute, too. Daaaayum.

Yeah! Bryan Cox knew how to kick a little butt. By which I mean stabbing people. None of these guys looked like much of a threat. I swear this script must have been cadged from some old child-abuse pitch that had been knocking around in somebody's file drawer for years - with the exception of the hotel room assassin-bots everybody might as well have been Andy Griffith

how come matt damon and owen wilson don't do a buddy movie

jason bourne meets owen wilson's character from behind enemy lines, falls in love

Wilson rejects Bourne on the grounds that he smells of peanutty farts

Is it worth $15 to have a codetenabort.com e-mail address for the next two years?

codetenab✧✧✧@codetenabortdam✧✧✧.c✧✧

I fail @ everything

.com

goingmob✧✧✧@codetenab✧✧✧.c✧✧

I am actually, for real, downloading the torrent of the Bourne Ultimatum at home right now, just so that I can post a picture of Strathairn's lackey - I promise no additional "humor"

Well OK I don't promise

Actually, the moment I truly cracked up was in response to the CIA head honcho's subsequent shouts of "We have Code Ten abort! Code Ten abort!" It was a totally over-the top exclamation mark on the end of the film's train of jargon (code four situation, code six security etc).

-- Just got offed, Sunday, 19 August 2007 12:31 (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

im in ur thread, analyzin ur funniez, startin ur memes

new favorite exchange:

"He drove off the roof..."
"WHAT?!?!"

No, the best line is:

"Get the vehicles. WE'RE GOING MOBILE."

"we're going mobile" ftw

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Monday, 10 December 2007 17:02 (2 days ago) Link

Cox knew how to kick a little butt. By which I mean stabbing people. None of these guys looked like much of a threat.

there's a good line in 'identity' where cooper says to cox (or vice versa) "this guy could wack us on the way to the john" -- they hide behind the anonymous hotel-room proxies.

There's a weird inter-movie rhyme with Considine, who in "Dead Man's Shoes" played a seemingly unkillable ex-SAS man who shows up in certain people's lives and fucks with their minds because of horrible abuse that happened years ago. He'd make a great Bourne.

By the way if you two don't stop OTMing yourselves you're going to sprain something.

joan allen is all kinds of hott

cougar-stylee

no cougar about her, just hott

she's like NSA Level 4 hott

I'm afraid exactly how hot she is is above your pay grade, son

code 10 hot

DEFCON 2 hot

now listen up, I want eyes, ears, noses, toeses, taps, scraps and buttless chaps on this guy and I want them twenty four, seven, fifty two, on the grid and off!!

guys let's just write the next movie right here

if that's an actual quote i'm going to have to reappraise this film

oh xp

This movie needed way more gettin it on, basically

the bourne fornication

the bonin ultimatum

I am trying to re-find that ultimate shot of the lackey but it's really hard because all the scenes of the CIA dudes are EAXCTLY THE SAME - the lackey says "i want eyeballs on the street" literally twice in one scene

Bourne: just consider the fact that you might be dead before your next shit

joan allen: well i'm shitting right now as a matter of fact

bourne: well i call bullshit, if you will, because i;m on your toilet and you're not on my lap

bourne vulvamatum.

lol that is a good one wanko.

hahahahahaha

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I feel like I'm in one of those dreams where I'm naked and everybody else is normal, you know? You ever have those dreams?

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just saw it for the second time

arguably even better, the parkour scene didn't drag so much on the small screen.

and it's "This is a Code Ten Abort. Get everyone back in the vehicles, this is a Code Ten Abort." :D

i laughed out loud in the theater at "we're going mobile"

also the way bourne walks into a room and immediately opens the correct drawer, etc.

awesome

What I love is the way things are timed. Someone at CIA works something out at EXACTLY the right point, for Bourne to have his scene and do his thing JUST as the operatives arrive. The magic of movies, eh?

"Enjoy your egg-whites"

. . . meh.

The movie is a life-support system for two great action scenes. Some of the worst, most hackneyed dialogue I've seen in a while, too.

I think you're taking the spy-speak too seriously.

Everyone laughed when he pistol-whipped the guy in the opening scene, I think because it was such an unnecessary "and stay down!" move.

-- Jordan, Monday, August 6, 2007 9:24 AM

Oh, it was necessary.

CODE TEN ABORT would have been super dumb in, like, Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy. In Bourne, awesome.

"He's really good at staying alive, and trying to kill him and failing just pisses him off."

Big ascii middle finger to this movie for not including this.

Bourne: just consider the fact that you might be dead before your next shit

joan allen: well i'm shitting right now as a matter of fact

bourne: well i call bullshit, if you will, because i;m on your toilet and you're not on my lap

-- wanko ergo sum, Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:20 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

Pamela Landy: Listen, people -- do you have any idea who you're dealing with? This is Jason Bourne. You are nine hours behind the toughest target you have ever tracked. Now I want everyone to sit down, strap in, and TURN ON ALL YOU'VE GOT. THAT WOULD MEAN NOW.

A+ dialogue. Gold star.

Pamela Landy: You do not have the authority to kill her.
Noah Vosen: Oh yes I do! And you had better get on board.
Pamela Landy: Noah, she's one of us. You start down this path, where does it end?
Noah Vosen: It ends when we've won.

Noah Vosen: Rudy Giuliani's top Nat'l Sec. advisor.

also toby from 'the west wing': 'they'll like us when we win'.

Also A+ dialogue. (Obv., sarcasm by me; this dialogue is hamfisted and laughable, and it's like that almost all the way through this Bourne film, but I guess that's all window dressing for a handful of really well-filmed action scenes).

Jason Bourne: They'll kill you for giving me this. . . . Why'd you do it?
Pamela Landy: This isn't what I signed up for. What they did to you. Blackbriar. This isn't us.
Jason Bourne: Then do something about it. Everything you need is in there.
[hands Landy a bag]
Jason Bourne: Everything.
Pamela Landy: David. Why don't you come in with me? It'll be better if we do this together.
Jason Bourne: No. This is where it started for me. This is where it ends.

Brilliant. Almost Point Break-esq.

yeah well, you like 'once'.

I do not deny it.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of that dialogue.

that Pamela Landy line is BAD. ASS.

Which one? "Enjoy your egg whites"?

Actually, that was a good line (one of the only good lines in the film).

yeah i mean the dialogue in this is pretty run-of-the-mill action flick stuff. def didn't take away from the movie for me, and like milo i thought a lot of it was pretty bad ass

Well, yeah, there were two very -- very, very -- well filmed, exciting action sequences.

(Bourne's hand-to-hand fight with "the asset" and the car chase).

i liked the tube station scene better than the car chase

i find it really hard to care about dialogue in this movie.

talk about focusing on the wrong thing.

it's like complaining about the dolly work in my dinner with andre.

like milo, i don't see any problem with the dialogue there.

Setpieces:

Waterloo>>Tangier rooftops>>>car chase.

Depends on what you like. I can sort of, kind of care about the action sequences, but -- like special effects -- it's never going to be a big deal to me. And, given how silly the dialogue is (and I don't see why that has to be so in this genre), I have trouble seeing how the movie got such great reviews (especially since I think there are really only a handful of, admittedly, knockout action scenes).

(xp).

esp. if you include before they even get into the station when he shields him w/ the bus etc.

xp

i agree, daniel stripéd lawyer. i really liked identity and supremacy, but ultimatum was ... through and through kind of 'ehh'

well, if you're not into action sequences perhaps that's why you don't get why this film got good reviews. but the dialogue and its delivery was good, and if you can't see that it's your loss.
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The dialogue in this movie was embarrassingly bad, and horribly delivered.

Just a difference in taste, I guess. I don't like the heavy-handed, non-natural emoting in a lot of big Hollywood-type films. I'll take more natural dialogue every time (Robert Altman is a good, but hardly exclusive, example of how to do it well, I think).

No, not my loss. I totally liked the action sequences I mentioned above, and a few more. I got that. But those sequences are rarely going to be the end-all for me.

As super-stylised action movie dialogue goes it was was fine. I never really noticed the dialogue, in fact, which is good - it means it fulfilled its primary purpose of moving the plot along.

note for the record that TOGTHIAQI and I both luv luv luvved Miami Vice

The dialogue is spy-speak reductio ad absurdum - it's supposed to be there for the sound (and maybe even comic relief) not because it transmits information to the audience.

Where did you hear that? Good (decent) dialogue isn't wanted in an action film? Having the characters say non-embarrassing things gets in the way of the action?

Comic relief, okay, maybe. But I didn't take this dialogue as trying to be funny. Maybe I should have approached it differently. I just don't think that's what they were going for (but I could be wrong).

s1ocki who are you to tell people what to focus on in a movie?? sometimes you just can't help it. most movies with any underscoring beyond your standard menacing bongos get ruined for me just because i can't help being cheesed out by it. the way somebody smokes a cigarette will bother me. these things are usually pretty momentary. but dialogue is all the way through! it's kind of hard to ignore it.

I'll take more natural dialogue every time (Robert Altman is a good, but hardly exclusive, example of how to do it well, I think).

-- Daniel, Esq., Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:37 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

ech, i like some altman, but him doing a spy movie would be a shitty "revisionist" spy movie. all of the dialogue you quoted as "bad" is from the control room scenes, i think. i can't see how altman would improve it. (i mean, his think is letting actors indulge themselves. greengrass i think does this a bit too, but in a movie as plotty as this you have to hit certain beats and get information across. a lot of the pleasure is just in following it, because everything is sparse, what we see and what we hear.)

i don't know how far i think the dialogue in this is supposed to be funny. yes and no. "we're going mobile" made me laugh. "decisions made in real time are never perfect" is kind of the lost tagline for 'united 93'. at the same time, i laughed.

Aw, the Miami boys are arguing!

s1ocki who are you to tell people what to focus on in a movie?? sometimes you just can't help it. most movies with any underscoring beyond your standard menacing bongos get ruined for me just because i can't help being cheesed out by it. the way somebody smokes a cigarette will bother me. these things are usually pretty momentary. but dialogue is all the way through! it's kind of hard to ignore it.

-- Tracer Hand, Sunday, January 27, 2008 11:53 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

who am i? i'm your worst fuckin nightmare!

You're a Miami boy, too, Alfred.

lololololol

xp

I didn't mean that I'd want Altman directing action films, or this film in particular. I just used him as an example in order to flesh out the point a bit. There are other directors who either (a) do "natural dialogue" very well or (b) do better "action-film" type dialogue better than in this movie (to me, obv.).

(Obv., it's a bit late for Altman to direct any new films, but whatevs.).

who does better action film dialogue (except for michael mann) (high-fives milo)?

you need to set your motherfucker to 'receive'

fuck syd field, this shit is writing:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0360009/quotes

hahah i was gonna say mamet... for ronin of course...

mamet, syd field, and robert mckee should be relegated to a special room of hell to write together for eternity.

on like one script, or multiple different scripts?

s10cki now see that kind of dialogue i can get behind

You guys, I watched this again last night with some people, and there was someone there who during every scene with any kind of ambiguity in it, they'd ask, out loud, the question the scene suggested...

"Does he know where the shooter is?"

"Why is she helping him?"

"Did they have a thing?"

"Why didn't he shoot him?"

"Does she know she's being followed?"

"Did he get hit? Is he dead?"

ALERT! We have a CODE 10 NARRATIVE DEVICE!!

And it was still good. All Steadicam jokes evar are OTM though.

rewatching this right now. all i am going to think of whole time is CODE 10 XXXXX! i can't wait!

love this movie but all i think of when i think of it is WHEE-WHEE-WHEE-WHEE & julia stiles face breaking into a grin

which is awesome

I want him to kill somebody with a petunia and then jump through a moving train into an ice cream truck which he will drive off of a parking ramp into a pillow factory while crushing the larynx of an assassin with a waffle cone.

Still the best movie anticipation post in the nu-ilx era, imo.

which he will drive off of a parking ramp

this part basically happened

THIS IS NSA LEVEL 4

GIVE ME CCTV'S EYES

i agree with aimless

THIS ISN'T SOME STORY IN A NEWSPAPER; THIS IS REAL

if you were in your office right now we'd be having this conversation face to face

ahhhhhh still gets me!

Bourne: just consider the fact that you might be dead before your next shit

joan allen: well i'm shitting right now as a matter of fact

bourne: well i call bullshit, if you will, because i;m on your toilet and you're not on my lap

-- wanko ergo sum, Thursday, December 13, 2007 6:20 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

-- J0rdan S., Sunday, January 27, 2008 2:02 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

Fictional CIA assassin Jason Bourne will appear in a fourth film, according to trade newspaper Variety.

It says actor Matt Damon will reprise the lead role in the fourth instalment of the Bourne franchise, with Paul Greengrass directing once again.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7676070.stm

IT'S OVER

the bourne overkill

bourne fans should see the international

I love Clive Owen and I love the Bourne films, but Metacritic isn't very complimentary about this; http://www.metacritic.com/film/titles/international

Is consensus wrong?

Thread of Duplicity and The International

empire says it's not vg but im still gonna see it.

yes!! well, it certainly doesn't have the action pieces of the bournes (altho it's one big piece, a shootout in the gugenheim, is really great) but its a good european thriller about a rogue agent trying to uncover some corruption. the film looks incredible (wide, sweeping shots of european cities and modern architecture etc) and it keeps its suspense and tension ramping for way longer than you'd imagine. it kind of ties things up a little more neatly than i would like, but if you're into the bournes and you're into clive owen, i'm pretty sure you'll enjoy this.

if this had one more big action piece it would've been definitely better than the new bond - as it stands now it's a little bit of a different film even tho the plots are analogous, but this one exceeded my expectations whereas bond was v underwhelming

Bourne U re-watch was awes today

aw man, the whole sequence of desh chasing down julia stiles and bourne hunting them both while being chased by the police climaxing with the insane desh/bourne fight scene is soooo good

btw

*holds walkie talkie to mouth*

THIS IS A CODE 10 ABORT

<3

Hah @ recommendation for The International. I thought it was ok if a little sleepy, but the Guggenheim shootout was a+

While we were doing the red carpet thing at last night’s premiere of Invictus, we cornered Matt Damon and demanded that he tell us just what the HECK is going on with Bourne IV, following Paul Greengrass’ recent departure. What he told us will rock you to your very core:

“There’ll probably be a prequel of some kind with another actor and another director before we do another one,” he said, “just because I think we’re probably another five years away from doing it – we’ve got to get a script…”

that definitely rocked me to my very core.

Yes, I'm glad I now know just what the HECK is going on.

core: rocked

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it's bourne night on bravo!

This really is the weakest of original three. I think even the Renner + Weisz one is more enjoyable than this. Everything after Desh is a snooze.

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