Which will be the #1 AFI movie this time?

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=AFIs100Years

See what Eva Mendes's favorite film is.

Or Helen Mirren's.

I like where Peter Bogdanovich's cuts off. The implication being he lists all the titles in the index of Who the Devil Made It.

I'm not sure Citizen Kane is gonna be able to hold off Finding Nemo.

I was excited that The Fury joined Carrie on that list until I realized it was just plain Fury.

Sleepless in Seattle FTW

The greatest movies of the past 10 years:

*American Beauty
*As Good As It Gets
*Austin Powers: International Man of Mystery
*The Aviator
*A Beautiful Mind
*Being John Malkovich
*Boogie Nights
*Brokeback Mountain
*Chicago
*Crash
*Erin Brockovich
*Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
*Fight Club
*Finding Nemo
*Gladiator
*Good Night, and Good Luck.
*Good Will Hunting
*Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban
*Hotel Rwanda
*The Hours
*The Insider
*L.A. Confidential
*Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring
*Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
*Lord of the Rigns: The Return of the King
*Lost in Translation
*The Matrix
*Memento
*Million Dollar Baby
*Moulin Rouge!
*Mystic River
*Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl
*Ray
*Requiem for a Dream
*Rushmore
*Saving Private Ryan
*Shakespeare in Love
*Shrek
*Sideways
*The Sixth Sense
*Spider-Man 2
*There's Something About Mary
*Three Kings
*Titanic
*Traffic

Can't argue with that.

no Incredibles, etc

The greatest movies of the past 10 years:
*Crash

Yup.

Fury >>>> The Fury, of cawse

Now more than ever I don't regret seeing many movies in the past 10 years.

well, you didn't miss much besides Munich.

No Bubble Boy, no credibility!!!

Fury is good, but probably the least interesting Fritz Lang I've seen so far excepting Clash By Night.

best of the newbies is Eternal Sunshine, but thank God the fetishists got Fight Club in there.

I'm sorry you're going to have to type louder. I can't seem to concentrate whenever Titanic is mentioned. I get Celine Dion stuck in my head, and I have to go watch El Topo a few times to come down.

How did they come up with the new nominees anyway? It's, like, retarded.

Big Lebowski is clearly missing from the list. Sorry for the triple post but it had to be said.

Also why would only new movies be added to the list?

Good point. New, mediocre movies.

please stop letting eric make polls about movies.

I can't imagine there being more than three or four legitimate contenders for the "honor"

yeah yeah you don't like movies the other people like... we get that. Now go away.

LOOK AT ME! I'M SPECIAL! I DON'T LIKE ANY MOVIE THAT ANYONE ELSE LIKES! WATCH WHILE I STICK ALL THESE ROLLS OF CELLULOID IN MY BUTT AND DO THE "I'M-BETTER-THAN-YOU" DANCE!

WOOOOO!

srsly, at least morbs is funny sometimes.

Eric H. is more boring than Jonathan Rosenbaum, and that a nearly acrobatic level of boring.

Kenan, I don't think what you quoted has anything to do with whether Eric likes them or not. That's not what "legitimate" means there. It means "likely to be selected by AFI."

Well let me see. Crash is not a great movie to me. The characters are so one-dimensional in the film. Yeah, the cop is a racist because his dad was. Problem solved. The rich white housewife didn't really realize that her Mexican help was her only friend. Problem solved. It's so trite and preachy that I simply can't stand it. It has none of the complexity and depth of Mystic River or Brokeback Mountain, which contain characters that you can conceive of as being real people. Crash just contains a bunch of, well, stereotypes.

Many x's.

It has none of the complexity and depth of Mystic River or Brokeback Mountain

but both of those are Oscar Bait complex, not Actual complex.

Though I agree, Crash is terrible.

You can't produce a movie about gay sex, my friend, and hope to win an Oscar.

i voted for YOUNG MR LINCOLN just cos i know no one else will vote for it

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

kenan, Eric is funny and a total bro, so watch it. He's just a little hung up on AFI canonizing tapioca.

So is that "life of emile zola" worth seeing then?

I've always avoided it. like I have The Hours.

kenan's rant = bizarre levels of projection. Eric, you are my favourite poster about movies on ILX, no contest.

kenan is more angry than frank grimes, and that a nearly acrobatic level of angry

This thread got totally redeemed while I was away.

I'm going to take Kenan's side on this one, tho. I haven't really been any fun on ILX since the decade film polls.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AFI's_100_Years..._100_Movies_(10th_Anniversary_Edition)

Apropos of nothing, perhaps, but I got riled when I was reading the Red Eye this morning, which this awful free paper that the Tribune puts at all the train stations. They ragged hard on "Joe Vs. The Volcano." This is clearly a rong thing to do.

That is the only Hanks/Ryan movie worth watching!

Hmm, I stand corrected on the whole thing. Apparently the AFI have themselves confused with Sight & Sound.

What, like they used to be legitimate, and now they're not? Sometimes you're not cynical ENOUGH.

For what it is, this is probably the best list AFI has yet put out -- if only for the huge jumps City Lights, Vertigo and The Searchers (!) made from their previous positions in the lower third into the top 20, not to mention The General appearing from out of nowhere to land at #18. Do they have themselves confused with Sight & Sound all of a sudden?

I'm no Lord of the Rings fan, but I was personally just relieved that, after the bumper to commercial voiceover which teased "both the newest and oldest film on the list, back-to-back," my horrible premonition of a Birth of a Nation/Crash one-two punch did not materialize. The relief when LotR showed up became elation when they opted for Intolerance in the Griffith slot. (Seriously, how many times did they let Bogdanovich and Scorsese vote?)

As for the rest, sure there are the usual suspects both overrated (High Noon, Raging Bull, The Sixth Sense) and just plain bad (Rocky, Butch Cassidy, Easy Rider). But, still...

Some of the films making their debut this time around:
Do the Right Thing
Sunrise
The Last Picture Show
Nashville
All the President's Men
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?
Cabaret

Some of the films that got the boot:
Dances With Wolves
Patton
Doctor Zhivago
From Here To Eternity
Giant
Guess Who's Coming To Dinner
The Jazz Singer
My Fair Lady

I give those lists a hearty welcome and "sayonara," respectively. White elephants went down, even if they slipped Titanic in there.

Oops, sorry about reiterating the S&S comment. That was obviously cut-and-pasted from a different MB. It's late and I'm boring.

hi eric, sorry i compared you to rosenbaum, that was low.

shake hands?

Blood brothers. Sometimes when I come to terms with the fact that I will never be compared with Armond White, I cry myself to sleep.

it's true, you are funny.

Dances With Wolves
Patton
Doctor Zhivago
From Here To Eternity
Giant
Guess Who's Coming To Dinner
The Jazz Singer
My Fair Lady

I still like Patton. Zhivago is not very good, but it's some kind of accomplishment, in SWEEPING if nothing else. My Fair Lady is a bit of a touchstone, but kind of a bad musical based on an embarrassingly dated story. The rest of those are truly bad movies.

Yeah, I also neglected to mention that some of the other ones that bit it from the last list were Close Encounters, The Third Man and Rebel Without a Cause. And Fantasia.

And All Quite On The Western Front.

The Third Man

that just mkes me angry. Stupid fucking Americans.

Biggest wtf is surely Sophie's Choice?

xpost I'm not kidding. STUPID. FUCKING. AMERICANS. That's one of the themes of the movie, dontcha know?

I need to see that one still.

I tried to read Sophie's Choice once, and LOL IT'S PORN FOR NAZIS. What the fucking fuck. I have never seen the movie, and never will, thank you all the same.

Eric: I don't know if it means anything to you, but I will usually cite The Third Man as my favorite movie.

I've really been meaning to see it for a while now, but just haven't gotten around to it. I have a copy here somewhere.

Trevor Howard, man. Trevor Howard.

from here to eternity is a "truly bad movie"? wtf??

the third man is a british movie, so it shouldn't have been on the list at all.

same, btw, goes for my fair lady, 2001, and a clockwork orange.

Saving Private Ryan?!?!?!?

Bigger but less surprising WTF = Lord of the Rings

Best WTF = Nashville

WAIT - forget about SPR/LOTF - How the hell did the Sixth Sense get on there?!

I have trouble grasping the fact that films like Sweet Smell of Success, The Big Sleep, and Manhattan (to pick three movies largely at random that I love) don't make the list, but they have room for The Sixth Sense and Forrest Gump.

And like Toy Story, which is a stupendous technical achievement, but pales in comparison to Dumbo or Sleeping Beauty or Bambi as a work of art.

I didn't watch this, and likely wouldn't have even if I wasn't at Mets game ... but yes, Vertigo, The General leaping is good news. Anything that gets people to see em.

I haven't seen From Here to Eternity in a good long while, but read the Jones book if you want to appreciate what a bowdlerized compromise it was. Huston or Schlesinger might've done well by it in the '70s (even w/out Clift). The TV miniseries with Natalie Wood & Wm Devane was in some ways better.

The Third Man was US-financed, same w/ those Kubricks.

All Quite On The Western Front

This must be the UK version!

I will never be compared with Armond White

It's not all it's cracked up to be.

You can still spot the films that are there for their subject matter, like Schindler's, which is good second-rate 'Berg. Just like the new A.Jolie-as-Pearl-widow film will have a good shot 10 years from now.

My gf's comment this morning:

At least Sunrise is on it.
No Lubitsch.
Wrong Sturges.
No McCarey.
No My Man Godfrey or 20th Century.
No HIS GIRL FRIDAY!!!!!

And my major WTFS:

The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
In the Heat of the Night (1967)
Forrest Gump (1994)
Titanic (1997)
Easy Rider (1969) - almost unwatchable now.
Swing Time (1936) - should be Top Hat
Yankee Doodle Dandy (1942)

And what is Vertigo doing in the top 10????

Meanwhile at their namesake theater the AFI has chosen to show TRIAD ELECTION for the rest of the month of june.

AFI Silver theater >>>>>>> everything else they do

MW, she's right on Top Hat and mostly everything else, but lost me with that last line.

These people are still not fond of comedies unless they've been sufficiently memorialized.

Shawshank is still the megastinker here (I haven't seen Gump or Toy Story).

Why shouldn't Vertigo be in the top 10?

I agree with her.

I don't have a problem with Shawshank. If pop shmaltz has to be there, it's better than a slew of others on the list.

She also said this, God, they so want Spielberg to leave them all his money.

Some notes to you all:

American haters - suck it

Saving Private Ryan - great movie

Old movies that disappeared - replaced by Chicago and Titanic, um, why? This is as bullshit as the academy awards. Stupid fucking Americans.

1. American haters - suck it

2. Stupid fucking Americans.

hmmmmmmm

'Cause there are a whole bunch of better movies than Vertigo

City Lights, Chinatown, The Best Years of Our Lives, The Maltese Falcon... all better than Vertigo, imnsho.

OK, I just hate Hollywood Liberals. Stupid fucking Hollywood Liberals. How's that?

what is you and the ladyfriend's fave Hitchcock, MW? (all those are legit arguments except Best Years, which is just a solid-enough Coming Home)

Today in arbitrary bullshit

if you really wanted a discussion, wouldn't you try something different for once? Say, proposing the 100 most overrated films? Or, if you had to stay "positive," the 100 best forgotten films? Or the 100 most influential films? Who besides its own front-office cheerleaders would discuss at length -- let alone cherish -- a list on which M. Night Shyamalan scores as many selections as Woody Allen? I mean, I know it's Hollywood, and imagination is running at famine-level shortages, but for Christ's sake, AFI. Curb your dog, would you?

Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? totally blows as a play and adaptation. It's watchable for the Battlin' Burtons and not much else.

I dunno, Morbs, I think Toland is the real hero of BYOOL and it never fails to touch me plus, well, it precedes 'Coming Home', doesn't it? Frederic March, Myrna Loy, Dana Andrews, Teresa Wright, and a very natural Harold Russell...

I think the consensus between us would be 'Notorious'. Again, excellent camera work, mean Cary Grant, knee-weakeningly beautiful Ingrid Bergman, and how can you not prefer a movie with Claude Rains in it? I have to say, though, that I sometimes doubt there was ever a more beautiful blond than Grace Kelly in 'Rear Window'.

Alfred, I think it has its moments but Segal and Dennis look like they're in an entirely different (and far, far worse) movie.

well I'm a sucker for morbidity + romance (of the Liebestod kind), hence Vertigo. tho obv those two are upper-echelon also.

Oh, alfredpaws! Burton's bourbon/bergen monologue alone...

I'm sad that Lynch has nothing on the list. And while I'm not a big fan of Stagecoach, it's an important film that's eons better than Titanic/The Sixth Sense. So boooo.

these lists are fucking lame committee efforts. stupid bias towards the feature length, toward sound, just soul-sapping.

why is kenan being such a tool on this thread?

there are the usual suspects both overrated (High Noon

Rosenbaum: "After many years of being vastly overrated, this liberal 'adult' western of 1952 may be underrated in some quarters today."

i like high noon but have always thought the ending was a cop-out

and yeah the third man, wtf

Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? totally blows as a play and adaptation. It's watchable for the Battlin' Burtons and not much else.

rong.

why is kenan being such a tool on this thread?

dude, if you this is me being a tool...

you never me

there is a word missing there somewhere.

i like high noon but have always thought the ending was a cop-out

ha -- so did John Wayne!

There are several Ford westerns I like better than The Searchers, My Darling Clementine esp. But they had their Fonda-Ford quota w/ Grapes.

Rosenbaum is 8080 on Shawshank too. and Patton is underrated by people who think it's either simply war-yay or crazy-war-criminal-lol. and I think Easy Rider had a sufficient impact on the culture (and can still have an impact on the viewer who puts himself in its place and time?) as to be deserving of a place.

I'm not kidding. STUPID. FUCKING. AMERICANS. That's one of the themes of the movie, dontcha know?

yes we know. and it's sufficiently american in origin that we can claim it as our own for purposes of TV, some might say. and some of us might find the we're-more-war-weary-and-savoir-faire-y-closer-to-the-continent theme (internalized by many of its fans) slightly tired, even if Rome, Open City gone Ealing with a soupcon of Welles is worth keeping all by itself.

hahaha Tim Allen. re Richard III: "this is great, who wrote this?"

I laughed b/c I wouldn't be surprised if he did actually yell that in the theatre :/

I might be the least unhappy person on this thread? Expectations blown away, along with most of my brain.

The only Hitchcock film that made the list I might rate higher than Vertigo is Rear Window, but it'd still be a strictly "first among equals" thing.

also, good on the Reeler for noting the long fall of The (mysteriously beloved) African Queen.

I want to date an African queen.

Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? totally blows as a play and adaptation. It's watchable for the Battlin' Burtons and not much else.

I can't wait for you to come to Chicago and meet Jesse.

Michael White, is your girlfriend David Thomson?

African Queen is SO AWFUL.

Lynch shut-out = rong

They didn't nominate Mulholland Dr. or Eraserhead, so ... yeah.

Mulholland is not as good as Chicago though.

I like The African Queen but the only list of mine it might make is "Best John Huston Films" (of which there are only a handful).

Anyone seen Queen Christina? Most of those Garbo films are hard going.

It's just about the best of those I've seen, along with Ninotchka and a couple of her silents.

No docs on the ballot? It'll be a long wait for THAT special. "Ashley Judd on Harlan County USA..."

I keep meaning to rent Harlan County USA gah

'Cause there are a whole bunch of better movies than Vertigo

City Lights, Chinatown, The Best Years of Our Lives, The Maltese Falcon... all better than Vertigo, imnsho.

yeesh, vertigo is light-years ahead of those - and i LIKE all of those films. it's one of the best works of art of the twentieth century - in any medium.

i don't usually get emo over critical remarks but THIS IS VERTIGO COME ON PPL

Michael White, is your girlfriend David Thomson?

No, but he told her to write a book.

My favorite Garbo is Grand Hotel but Ninotchka and Queen Christina are good, too and Flesh and the Devil's a hoot.

I've been remiss in noting the movies in Jonathan Rosenbaum's alternate 100 he did last time around that actually made it onto the updated list:

Do the Right Thing
The General
Intolerance
Sunrise

OK, not too many, but I doubt Eadweard Muybridge, Zoopraxographer had much of a shot.

no Tashlin, no cred

The Alliance of Women Film Journalists offers an alternative 100 (an international list).

they make a strong case by arguing that 'lost in translation' was one of the 100 best films ever made.

You didn't quit, that one guy, you were right on! Lost in Translation is amazing. Nice call.

who cares, Madame de... is on it

Eadweard Muybridge, Zoopraxographer

TELL ME MORE PLS.

Because I like me some Eadweard.

That's weard!

It's hard to see (I haven't), by the guy who did Los Angeles Plays Itself a few yrs ago...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071454/

Um...

Amelie: Gloriously nutty valentine to oddballs everywhere or sickeningly sweet French pastry? Count me among the besotted: Jeunet’s digitally tweaked and sweetened Paris is whimsical perfection and Tatou’s crooked smile could turn vinegar to honey.

Daily Film Dose takes it to the people.

http://dailyfilmdose.blogspot.com/2007/07/call-for-voters-fans-top-100-american.html

The AFI list might end up being better.

That's certainly possible.

Well, I've narrowed it down to about 130-ish.

fighting the good fight, eh?

I think the Waters fans should unite behind Female Trouble.

That's the one I went with! (edging Desperate Living simply by virtue of it doesn't has Divine in the cast)

alright, you're going to force me to do this.

I never could resist an exercise in canon-forming, no matter what I may bitch otherwise.

My top 2 reminder lists will have to be yr color codes, and last year's Schrader article. :D

Doesn't Schrader's article have only about 17 U.S. films in it?

(I'd also recommend using Jaime C's lists instead of mine. He's actually seen a few films from the '40s and earlier.)

yes, 17 sounds about right.

I'm sorry, for Leo McCarey I just can't take Make Way for Tomorrow over Duck Soup.

I also wouldn't take my word on Leo McCarey. Based off what I've seen, I don't even think I like the guy, Make Way aside.

That's right: you hate screwball.

Preston Sturges seems OK so far, though neither my mind nor my gut have been busted by any of his movies.

I don't think his films inspire bellylaughs though.

They sure don't.

um yes they do.

'the lady eve' bitches.

Then again, I don't have a gut to bust. Does The Lady Eve really inspire bellylaughs? I chuckle a lot.

Buster Keaton inspires belly laughs. John Waters inspires belly laughs. Wet Hot American Summer inspires belly laughs. Screwball ... not so much.

!!

Hell, Douglas Sirk inspires belly laughs.

NO.

Hutton, Bracken & Demarest inspire belly laughs.

'lady eve' is good filthy fun. 'great mcginty' is good cynical fun. john waters is dnw for all time though.

What we have here is a failure to care.

I forgot about Morbs' girl-crush on Bracken.

The only McCarey scene to inspire bellylaughs is the one in An Affair to Remember in which Deborah Kerr tells the little black kid not to dance all jungle and shit.

LOL!

I dunno, Sister Ingrid Bergman boxing still does it for me.

I have a girl-crush on Joel McCrea (like you). I am Eddie Bracken.

By the way, I can now access nuILX at work so, yay.

yay, I know how good you are with email!

my shortlist is only 110.

How does that happen? Did you limit it to only three Spielbergs? ;)

Yes! I was fairly ruthless.

I didn't put a set limit, but I did, for whatever reason, only highlight two Spielbergs: A.I. and War of the Worlds.

mine:

1. 2001: A Space Odyssey
2. Vertigo
3. Sherlock, Jr.
4. The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
5. Citizen Kane

Other 95 (half wd be interchangeable on any given day, obv):

Intolerance
Greed
The Gold Rush
The General
The Crowd
Trouble in Paradise
Love Me Tonight
Man's Castle
Duck Soup

King Kong
Sons of the Desert
Bride of Frankenstein
Top Hat
Modern Times
Angels with Dirty Faces
His Girl Friday
The Bank Dick

The Shop Around the Corner
The Maltese Falcon
The Lady Eve
Shadow of a Doubt
The Miracle of Morgan's Creek
Meet Me in St. Louis
My Darling Clementine
The Big Sleep
Notorious
Out of the Past

Force of Evil
Red River
The Lady from Shanghai
The Third Man
Adam's Rib
In a Lonely Place
Son of Paleface
Rear Window
A Star Is Born (1954)
On the Waterfront

Kiss Me Deadly
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1956)
Written on the Wind
Seven Men from Now
Paths of Glory
The Tarnished Angels
Bonjour Tristesse
Rio Bravo
North by Northwest
The Apartment

Psycho
Ride the High Country
Dr. Strangelove…
Point Blank
Rosemary's Baby
Once Upon a Time in the West
Five Easy Pieces
Two-Lane Blacktop
Winter Soldier
The Long Goodbye

Sleeper
Chinatown
The Godfather Part II
Female Trouble
Barry Lyndon
Nashville
Mikey and Nicky
All the President's Men
Annie Hall
Airplane!
E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial
Zelig

The King of Comedy
Local Hero
Stop Making Sense
Lost in America
Prizzi's Honor
Lost in America
The Fly (1986)
Raising Arizona
Full Metal Jacket

Housekeeping
Empire of the Sun
Do the Right Thing
Say Anything...
Goodfellas
Paris Is Burning
My Own Private Idaho
Groundhog Day
Se7en
The Portrait of a Lady
The Iron Giant
The Virgin Suicides
Mulholland Dr.
Far from Heaven
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Munich
The Joy of Life

I'll finish my list in the long car ride to Des Moines today.

then I hope Field of Dreams doesn't make it!

Docs aren't allowed.

who said? well, Paris Is Burning is the only one I had.

Good call on Housekeeping, Morbs.

1. Trouble in Paradise
2. The Godfather, Pt II
3. Rear Window
4. The Magnificent Ambersons
5. Mulholland Drive
6. My Own Private Idaho
7. Imitation of Life
8. Only Angels Have Wings
9. Dead Ringers
10. The Big Sleep

and The Joy of Life.

The rules on the blog post say they're only talking about narrative, feature-length films, though I guess that doesn't explicitly rule out docs even if they meant for it to.

1. Trouble in Paradise

Is that a screwball?

You're screwball!

No, I don't consider The Joy of Life a doc, esp the first half, but not the whole thing either. Essay, sort of.

Yeah, I'll admit I'm probably breaking the hardline narrative imperative (at least as it relates to the AFI) with my nomination of Inland Empire.

http://dailyfilmdose.blogspot.com/2007/10/afi-reloaded-fanboy-100-51-100.html
fanboy 100 results are up.

there are some howlers in the summaries:
Steven Spielberg’s powerful film re-invented the modern war film and established the new cinematic language of war.

It’s quality noir about the dark side of Hollywood and celebrityism.

The honourable presence of Gregory Peck anchors this important film about civil rights in the segregated U.S. South.

“L.A. Confidential” is the only worthy rival to “Chinatown’s” crown as the noir-king.

on casablanca: a tight script which practically invented the screenwriting template

Mr. Smith Goes to Washington (1939) dir. Frank Capra
This film is such a classic – and a film with so much optimism that it could only have been made in the United States

It looks like 1999 is one of the most popular years for film fans.

OMG, the comments include this gem:

This list suffered a bit because people older than 50 generally don't know how to use the internet.

that last is, of course, OTM

on the omission of Braveheart:

Before 1995, who would ever have thought Mel Gibson could have directed such a passionate and exhilarating epic film such as this. For me the battle scenes are still the best of its kind and have yet to be topped.

It’s a steaming plot twister that established many of the rules of the noir genre.
Which seemed funny to me, but looking around, I guess '44 was when it really took off, and lots of stuff before is considered pre-noir.

these lists are so idiotic. and if you doubt that... the sixth sense.

that list is no more idiotic than the actual AFI list

ohhhhh yes it is.

The Sixth Sense >>> Shawshank, Silence of Lambs, The Shining etc.

"STUTTERING STANLEY!" oh psychic zing emnightshamalah.

I figured they were done doing lists now, but they always come up with something fresh and exciting.

http://www.afi.com/tvevents/100years/10top10.aspx

It isn't AFI, but it might as well be:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/list/100-greatest-films-all-time-713215