Dear Morrissey . . .

Heaven knows you're miserable now

Seriously Ned, seriously.

I sat through a 'cut short after six or seven songs' show of El Moz once, this was the legendary Pauley Pavilion 1991 bizarreness. I admit I was impressed by the way he could continue to sing on key with a fan each on either arm, either leg, and one wrapped around his torso.

Yeah, it was so sad! He stuggled through about five songs and then blamed his cracking voice on Letterman's cold studio. Oh well, if he was sick, he was sick. But still . . . at least they said they'd honor the tickets.

Oh dear E! :(

Moz pulled a trick like this the (only?) time he toured Aus in the early 90s. said it was illness, left the country after only 1 show i think?

Hmmm, he did this in San Diego a few weeks ago too. I was not in attendance, but rumors attributed his early departure to overly intense security. I think he just likes making excuses.

The last time I saw him do this it was in New York and it was because of overly intense security too. He was mad at the bouncers and stormed off stage because of it. Tonight I honesly think he was ill because his voice was so bad but it's just my luck. Oh well, hopefully he'll come back soon.

i was hoping this thred would finish with "...you're a twat".

oh god nooooooo :( I hope he gets better before he comes here! So sorry ENBB, you know I'd send Morrissey back your way for a second round if I could ;_;

I went to see the Bunnymen last summer and Ian was v. sick, but he managed to pull off a whole show without a hitch. Seemed pretty ill afterwards though, was rushed straight to the bus.

Thats because Mac is a SHOWMAN man!

I would love to see the Bunneymen. Am seeing the Furs next month, hopefully Richard will be ok.

Bunny - whoops.

So many of my 80s heroes I never got to see ;_;

Damn you, Cocteau Twins!

Still, got to see the Buzzcocks so I cant grumble :)

i had a dream last night that i went and saw a fall gig. mark e smith beat the shit out of someone in the audience with his mic stand and left after one song. it was awesome!

'dream'

did you fall out of bed twice?

See, even I resisted posting that. Though I thought it.

Oh Curtispaws.

Curious, how much were the tickets?

Moz pulled a trick like this the (only?) time he toured Aus in the early 90s. said it was illness, left the country after only 1 show i think?

Yep, played Brisbane, left the country while his crew were setting up Sydney the next arvo. He came back though, played Livid 12 years later in the car park outside where he'd been s'posed to play in '91. Was 45 minutes late for an hour and a quarter set. YAY.

It's a difficult time, what with the flooding keeping him at his other job to all hours, the new house in nunhead, with the shonky windows and no furniture, cut the man some slack.

Dearest Erica-

You knew I'd do this to you

-Moz

MozMacro suggestion:

I started you a show
(sad cat)
I couldn't finish

Hahaha :D

Dear Moz,

On the day when your vocality
decides
to catch up with your biology
Come 'round

That sucks, ENBB. :(

He sounds like a diva.

Nah, it's all about the dodgy windows, he should just call safestyle and be done with it.

That's odd, I saw him at Orpheum in 2004 and he played for over two hours and was great.

Oh yeah, I saw him at Reading Festival, 2 years ago. yep, fraid so.

I have seen him play a full show before but that was also 11 years ago. He genuinely sounded sick last night. I guess I just have bad luck when it comes to seeing him live.

Dear Morrissey,

I've seen your post to me up there ^^. Stop rubbing it in, will ya? What did I ever do to you to make you hate me so.

~ E

Dear StanM and MWhite,

Thank you. Your posts made me smile,

E

is this where we all sing "You just haven't earned it yet, baybie..."?

don't forget the posts that made you smile, and the Moz that made cry

Oh, was Boston last night? He's been a trooper on this latest American tour circuit so far (no cancelled dates!) but there have been problems, as listed above. He's been touring for like two years straight--I think he really needs to take a break, but not before coming to Baltimore, please. Sorry, ENBB :(

Yeah, I was right miffed when he pulled out of Glastonbury '92 at the very last second (cue "Where's My Morrissey" t-shirts making their appearence around the site). In his place we got James singing "We Hate it When Our Friends Become Successful".

The times I've been to see him subsequently he's showed and played the full ticket, so hey.

Ah fuck (Northhampton/Philly "postponed")--will my East Coast Moz reunion dreams be dashed?

http://www.morrissey-solo.com/article.pl?sid=07/06/27/0549253

Yeah, Boston was last night. I just hope he does return later this summer but with my luck it'll be when I'm in England for 10 days next month.

Come and drink with us.

shit :(

i've never been to a morrissey show, but he left the stage at a smiths show i went to in '86. best part was the band continuing on instrumental - great

Stop rubbing it in, will ya? What did I ever do to you to make you hate me so.

Empire wastes are bad, ppl. Let this be a lesson to you all. This madness must end.

The two Smiths shows I saw, he was great.

lol u are old.

Come and drink with us.

-- Ed, Wednesday, June 27, 2007 4:07 PM (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I'd love to but sadly we're only going to be in Coventry and Liverpool during this visit!

:(

there is nothing 'funny' to say about this guys.

seriously though, im genuinely bummed out by this, enbb!

2 July 2007

Following the postponement due to illness of several shows last week, we are delighted to announce that Morrissey's U.S. tour will recommence tonight at Wolf Trap in Vienna, Va. Morrissey was suffering with a viral infection that brought his show in Boston at the Bank Of America Pavilion to a halt after seven songs last Tuesday the 26th of June. . . . The Boston show has been successfully rescheduled for this Saturday the 7th of July, and all tickets from the original date will be honored.

Yay? I'll believe it when I'm happily leaving a fantastic show late Saturday night.

Awesome!

:)

Will you be wearing the MozTop(tm) again? :-)

Hahaha. I don't know, probably not. We shall see.

Oops, he did it again. B'more cancelled. Now I'm all dressed up and no place to go. Caught most of the show last nite in Wolf Trap--he seemed in a really good mood, but he seemed to cut out early--after a 1 song encore. Cross fingers for Boston!

WAIT WHAT??!?!??!?!?!

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looking back, I think maybe the reason he was in such a good mood was because he was souped up on meds. He was loopy, and when the band huddled arms to take their bow, he didn't come up again for an uncomfortably long time, until Mikey (I think) broke the huddle.

A tribute band is scheduled to play for free tonight at the venue in his stead--maybe he will watch?

http://www.ramsheadlive.com/

Did he redeem himself, Boston?

Yes!!! In fact, it was incredible. He came out dressed in a tux and really gave it his all. We're still in awe of how great it was. For the last couple songs we snuck up front and were two rows from the stage. It was amazing.

Erica-

I'm glad you enjoyed the show.

Yours,

-Morrissey

ps- tux was a rental

awww... moz you're such a darlin'... my best mate wants to have your babies...

Rubyred-

Erm...

-Morrissey

she's pretty hot.

Awesome, so you got 6 extra songs for free. Also, well done for sneaking up front. It's the only place to be. I saw a pic of the tux tho, and I was wondering, is it possible it was just a regular suit mixed with a tuxedo shirt & bow tie? That ol' sartorialist.

I saw a pic of the tux tho, and I was wondering, is it possible it was just a regular suit mixed with a tuxedo shirt & bow tie? That ol' sartorialist.

Definitely. By the time we got upfront and therfore close enough to see, he'd already changed his shirt twice. Also, he only did a one song encore Sat night too so you didn't miss out on anything!

[begin slightly creepy bit] After the show we went out dancing and ended up meeting someone who'd been at the show. It was his 92nd Morrissey (!!) show and he'd managed to get a piece of one of the shirts M through in the audience. In a drunken state, he made me smell said bit of shirt and I am happy to report that whatever cologne Morrissey wears smells amazing. [/slightly creepy bit]

:D

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dear+morrissey&btnG=Search

Woah!

Whatever Moz wears smells amazing I imagine, but it may have been this

http://www.luckyscent.com/shop/detail.asp?itemid=21900§ion=

even it wasn't, that scent seems pretty cool, by the description.

x-post: Power of ILX, once again.

24 HOURS AND I WILL BE IN THIS MAN'S PANTS (OR JUST WATCHING HIM ONSTAGE)

Hahaha =D

My sis is heading to the ATL show tomorrow. I'm not feeling too terribly envious. The only song I'll really regret missing is Life is a Pigsty.

48 for me, god willing.

x-post

the set seemed short! And we were sitting way in the back ;_; It was AWESOME, though!!

Morrissey: "Thank you, what's this?"
Man in front row: "It's a scrapbook of the last twenty years!"
Morrissey: "..Of you, or of me?"
Man in front row: "Of us!"
Morrissey: "...Fabulous."

Hahaha, nice.

he also pulled a young girl onstage briefly and said "This is my daughter." Still can't figure out if he was joking or not, but I can't find any buzz about it anywhere so I'm presuming I just missed a wink or something.

My sister left a message all giddy and said she held his hand three times, hmm maybe it was my sister on stage! Word is Pigsty and National Front Disco were on the setlist but were scrapped u_u

Curis-

She's my flesh and blood. I had a torrid three day affair with her mother after a particularly memorable stay in Albuquerque some years back.

Regards,

Morrissey

Morrissey came!

Dear ILX Morrissey,

I think I love you.

Erica

Erica, my dear-

You have always kept the faith.

Thank you for this.

Yours,

Morrissey

Word is Pigsty and National Front Disco were on the setlist but were scrapped u_u

:( He played ~17 songs plus a 1-song encore and then left. He was touching a lot of people's hands though! Wish I'd been up front :/

Myrtle Beach was off the hook. Sigh. No more shows for me.

Oh, you went to Murder Beach, too? I'm sorry I missed you!

I was up front on the Mikey Farrell side. Flew in at 9 am on the red eye from SoCal after pulling two consecutive 12.5 hour clicnicals. It was worth it. Except Moz was kind of a dick to me.

Here's what I wrote to a list about the incident:

I felt things were going swimmingly until Moz handed me the mic again and pwned me a little past the set midpoint. At first, while he was standing in the center, he looked over towards me and squinted a lot, trying to read my shirt.

http://www2.gol.com/users/melemail/stuff/greatesttits.jpg

I think this was during a song. After it, he came
over and stared down at my chest and face. He leaned in and asked, "Do you still see Charles?" and gave me the mic. I answered, "Yes, I ran into him a couple of weeks ago. Didn't he tell you?" Moz took back the mic and responded, "Why should he?" and then HANDED the mic BACK to me. If it were simply rhetorical, he should've just kept the mic.

I began to answer, but before I could get four words out, he became impatient, made tapping gestures on his imaginary wristwatch. So I said, "I'm sorry" and handed the mic back to him. He proceeded to mock me as he is wont to do saying "See, you give someone the spotlight and they go blah blah blah." Bastard. Then I yelled at him, "Well, you asked for it!"

At least Moz didn't fall down in mock agony and the stagehands didn't come out and try to pull the mic cord away from me the way they did to a girl on the opposite side of the stage who told her tale of woe of how
she had to come to Myrtle Beach to get more of Moz because she only got 4 songs at the Hollywood Bowl due to being stuck in traffic. Moz is very impatient: Five seconds (1 sentence) seems to be the max time
allowed for an answer.

The first time he gave me the mic, he was much nicer:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=t-AezM_-nBc

He sounds like a bit of a dick.

He sounds like a bit of a dick.

Yeah, but I still lerv him. I'm getting used to his teasing. On some thread about being nice, someone English commented on how he thought it was practically a national trait to be nice to those whom you despise but not so nice to people you like. Moz is like that. He is so kind and polite to the rudest stalkers, and yet he has said the unkindest things to his own band members on stage.

I liked how th'Lads sported bruises and black eyes. Moz introduced them as once robust ice hockey players. But I think Moz beat them up himself...or at least directed the make-up application.

Hey Mel,

We were probably in very close proximity--though I would have noticed that shirt for sure. I was second row center, slightly Boz-side. About that incident, I thought he was talking to Julia, so I didn't think much of it, just thought he was being cheeky. Yeah, I thought it was funny when he lay down on the stage while the girl was talking. I think he was just in a very rambunctious mood. It must be so hard to be handed the mike impromptu like that. I wasn't in any danger of that, being farther back, but one of my greatest fears came true, with the shirt being thrown in my general direction: carnage. I didn't even try to get a piece, I just tried to get out of the melee. The boys in the band all looked smoking that night--and they didn't sound bad either:)

Ban Melinda Mess-injure.

Dear Morrissey,

It's me again. I recently purchased tickets to your next show here in Boston on October 30th. I'm just giving you a heads up so you can prepare in advance to be as wonderful as you were last time. I'm looking forward to seeing you again and hope the tour is going well.

Love,

Erica

Morrissey really is a plump old bugger now, isn't he?

my friend sent me an email the other day:

the only record i ever bought twice (well, that i can think of right now anyway)

kill uncle

Dear Autumn Almanac,

Step Off.

Love,

Erica

Dear Morrissey,

I haven't heard from you in a long while. How are things?

I still love you always.

Love,

Erica

I don't get it! I thought there would be a heckle, a fight, an arrest or something. Is it just meant to be funny? Cos it's not, really.

Dear Morrissey,

Looking pretty good. Thank you for this.

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/8900/32399056804c54c4868bodw7.gif

Love,

Erica

!!

(Poor Boz.)

http://cache.thephoenix.com/secure/uploadedImages/The_Phoenix/Home_Entertainment/The_Ultimate/goggles.jpg

Dear Morrissey,

Just wanted to say that I hope you're resting up for tonight's show. Also, I'm sure that you'll look dapper as hell in whatever you choose to wear but if you and the boys decide to skip the whole clothing thing as in the above picture then I'd be ok with that too.

See you later!

Erica

I'd happily look like Mr Boorer in that pic if i could right the songs he's wrote.

Blimey I wasnt expecting to be seeng near-nekkid moz at work first thing in the morning before my coffee o_0

7" > CD > MiniDisc...

miniSD card :(

I wonder how the gig went and if Erica got her wish?

Well, since you asked . . .

The set list was boring and I've already seen all five of the Smiths songs they played live before. BUT he/they sounded great and he was in the best mood I've ever seen him in. He was funny and talkative and that was great to see.

He did eventually take off his shirt but sadly only once. ;-)

The crowd was weird. We were planted firmly in the section containing drunk 40-50 year olds who hadn't been out of the house or to a concert in well over 10 years and were "cutting loose". It was a bit like watching an embarrassing 20th H.S. reunion.

All in all, it was a good night.

The crowd was weird

now, i'm not sayin, i'm just sayin

he/they sounded great and he was in the best mood I've ever seen him in

I think this makes a difference - the two times i've seen him in recent times - first time - really happy = really good gig - second time - somewhat melancholy, annoyed by the constant attempts at stage invasion (those drunken 40 years old again)- whole thing somewhat subdued. He can be such a moody bugger (obviously).

Yeah, totally. He was almost . . . chipper, even.

Just wanted to point out - nothing against drunk 40 yr olds in general just ones who keep bumping into me and singing the wrong lyrics and being generally annoying and "look at me I've still got it - woo hoo!" I've been searching for a clip for these commercials we have here for a casino where it's like "By day I'm a soccer mom with a boring life but by night I let loose and am wild!". They're so annoying and it was pretty much exactly like that.

I've already seen all five of the Smiths songs they played live before.

not nitpicking, but i can only recall 'this charming man,' 'ask,' 'how soon is now,' and 'death of a disco dancer.' was there another?

i agree that it was a weird crowd, but that's boston, and more specifically, landsdowne street, for you!

i hadn't seen him since 1991, and was glad to see his performance is much less melodramatic than i remember. i seem to remember him writhing around on stage the whole show, but my brother assured me that it was only during one song ...

I'd love to see "Ask" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

nothing against drunk 40 yr olds in general just ones who keep bumping into me and singing the wrong lyrics and being generally annoying and "look at me I've still got it - woo hoo!"

Reasons I don't drink anymore - part 267.

EDB - he also played "I Keep Mine Hidden." That was my first time at the House of Blues and I'm not sure how I like it as a venue.

Pinefox - Ask was definitely the highlight of the entire thing for me.

Still glad we went but the shows I saw in 2007 were MUCH better as far as the set lists were concerned.

I wish I could rememer some of the banter. At one point he said, "I rolled in with the fog and out with the fog I'll roll to wither . . . and . . . die" but laughed while doing so making it very tongue in cheek.

E--what was good/bad about the house of blues? i just bought tv on the radio tickets for june and was moderately excited about checking it out (i always liked the avalon for shows and have been missing it recently).

enbb - thanks for clarifying; i was never a smiths completist, limiting myself to studio lps, etc., so i'd never heard that one before.
&
'i just wanted to make brown rice and peppers, but you can't do that in the house of rules!' was pretty good, i thought.

cad - i actually prefer the house of blues to the avalon, insofar as they have moved the soundboard from near the back entrance, which was a major obstruction for walking and watching the show.

but shows still end early there, i was outside by 10:30. i always thought that the avalon used to do this so that they could reopen for dancing; i don't know why hob does this. though i can't complain too much, it being a sunday night and all ...

stop being so offensively vegetarian awready, you fucking tool.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/apr/20/morrissey-coachella-meat-fumes

At least he came back on. I'm surprised Macca has never done this given his riders.

Along with a selection of solo hits, the crowd were treated to blasts from the past

subs please check

"meat fumes"

"blast from the pasts?" shurely not!

What a toolkit. And I say this as somebody who still considers herself a Morrissey stan.

xpost: unlike his solo hits, which are from the current year of 1988

im sayin

At least he showed up for this, unlike the following night's tour-closer in Oakland, cancelled due to illness.

oh right but he's had solo hits (in the uk at least) well into the 00s.

Having thought about this for a while I have to say that the smell of burnt fat is pretty muich what keeps me out of most fast food establishments. It can be pretty gross.

But also "You've been paid you big jessie now get out there and play."...

Bringing home the bacon, aiw.

Dear Morrissey,

I still love you but please stop being a twat.

Love,

Erica

i was there and i wasn't offended at all -- it's morrissey for chrissake, what do you expect?

anyway he was only offstage for like two minutes, it was hardly inconveniencing the crowd or anything.

oh right but he's had solo hits (in the uk at least) well into the 00s.

in at #17, dropping to #43 week 2 and disappearing after that isn't a "hit" tho

QUEEN

(NOT A COMPLIMENT IN MY BOOK)

anyway he was only offstage for like two minutes

During Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others? So the ending when the band just play and there's no singing? I doubt I would have even noticed.

This might also explain why some reviews haven't even mentioned it.

Morrissey has collapsed on stage during a performance in Swindon.

The 50-year-old former Smith's singer was taken to hospital after suffering breathing difficulties while performing at the Oasis Leisure Centre.

A spokeswoman for the Great Western Ambulance Service said: "Just after 9pm we got a call to a 50-year-old who was reported to be... unconscious."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8324492.stm

A spokesman for Swindon's Great Western Hospital said: "Morrissey was brought in to the Accident and Emergency department this evening.

"He has been seen by the medical team.

"At this stage his condition is stable."

Eyewitnesses reported seeing the singer fall to the floor during a performance of his song This Charming Man.

Two band members rushed to his side and dragged him off stage.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Showbiz-News/Singer-Morrissey-Admitted-To-Hospital-In-Swindon---Condition-Stable/Article/200910415416146?lpos=Showbiz_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15416146_Singer_Morrissey_Admitted_To_Hospital_In_Swindon_-_Condition_Stable

Chronic ennui... lets try and find a cure!

This is why no-one should ever EVER go to Swindon.

Dear Morrissey,

I hope you don't die but if you do I'm glad we've shared the moments that we have.

Yours,

Erica

― bear say hi to me (ENBB), Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:59 AM (-32 seconds ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

I concur with this but am somewhat conflicted due to the emotions evoked by the effect that the clocks going back has on the ilx timestamp.

Dear Morrissey,

I am too angry with you for playing in the crap town I used to live in *after I left it* to feel any sympathy.

Yours cordially

L

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2664/38325158.jpg

i hope he is OK.

He's been discharged - "feeling much better".

RIP Morrissey! :(

From the album cover I think it must have been constipation.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_nuLXtj8l5qo/SsIcPFrS3QI/AAAAAAAADAY/utrk504v-qs/s320/Morrissey-Swords-Cover-Art_l.jpg

A spokeswoman for the Great Western Ambulance Service said: "Just after 9pm we got a call to a 50-year-old who was reported to be... unconscious."

I love the long pause in there...

alt:

A spokeswoman for the Great Western Ambulance Service said: "Just after 9pm we got a call to a 50-year-old who was reported to be... Morrissey."

Am wondering whether Anne Gina will do the cover art for the next LP.

Is that seriously the new Morrisey album cover? Looks like it was done with Photoshop in 15 minutes.

Just about every album cover these days does.

Looks like he has one of the swords stuck up his bum.

"He has been seen by the medical team.

Why do I keep picturing all the people coming to gawk at him and then cackle 'n' point?

You know that thread where people pick a photo off flickr, a random page title off Wiki, etc?

Those.

That was an xpost.

He has been seen by the medical team

.. is a third line from a missing verse of....

Yeah, but it looks like just some random, badly framed snapshot of the guy with simple text on it. IIRC the previous albums at least put some effort to the set-up of the photo and the typography.

You know that thread where people pick a photo off flickr, a random page title off Wiki, etc?

haha Like that Facebook game? Yeah. Reminded me of that game as well. Still, I do like the style. Just not the facial expression.

(xx-post)

Yeah, didn't we have some thread where we took random photos and random wiki quotes and made them into album covers? That cover looks like it came from that thread.

It's only some b-sides compilation. Not reknowned for their huge budgets, those.

My fav:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/MarkGrout/dogeye.jpg

My most convincing one:

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y161/MarkGrout/plate.jpg

Don't throw things at Morrissey, plz k thnx.

http://cdn.stereogum.com/img/morrissey-bottle.jpg

http://stereogum.com/archives/video/bottled_moz_cuts_uk_gig_after_one_song_099901.html

What the hell is wrong with people?

November pwned a Mozzer

Seems like it was a plastic cup, not a bottle -- otherwise he wouldn't have kept singing for a moment after it hit him. But can you blame him for realizing what just happened and walking right the fuck off stage? I'd have done the same thing.

IT'S NOT SLIPKNOT Y'KNOW!!!

But surely he should have returned and played on after whoever threw the item was chucked out.

What the hell is wrong with people?

Evidence suggests that most people are dicks. And given that most of Moz's fans are middle aged yeeeeesh I despair...

xpost maybe some people went "yeahhhhhh" as they do sometimes...

But surely he should have returned and played on after whoever threw the item was chucked out.

― Obscured by clowns (NickB), Monday, November 9, 2009 11:16 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark

I've seen him throw a shit fit and storm off stage for something way less then getting hit with a bottle so it's not really surprising.

He is v. capricious. He's never walked off stage any of the times I have went to see him, but I have heard about him doing this enough times that it doesn't surprise me at all.

I did gone to see him...

Evidence suggests that most people are dicks

Actually the evidence here suggests the opposite. One person was a dick. Two if you count the bloke you chucked the bottle.

Joek!

http://www.bluecatstore.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/reggaehood01.gif

What the hell is wrong with people?

Evidence suggests that most people are dicks. And given that most of Moz's fans are middle aged yeeeeesh I despair... Like that racist who used to sing in The Smiths

― so says surgeon snoball (snoball), Monday, 9 November 2009 16:17 (Yesterday) Bookmark

Who would wear something like that? Behoodied kids are hardly going to advertise Morrissey, are they?

That hoodie is vile wtf

Should make a "Meat is murder" one so you can walk around and get beaten up by behoodied butchers.

Morrissey to appear on Desert Island Discs

Ten will get you one he picks Culture and "Two Sevens Clash" for the heckovit.

November pwned a Mozzer

― Obscured by clowns (NickB), Monday, 9 November 2009 16:07 (3 days ago) Permalink

A+++++ btw

ha - yes.

I can't decide if that hoodie is for believing that reggae is shit, or for making fun of morrissey for saying such shit.

or making fun of the wearer for sporting a Morrissey quote

http://cdn.stereogum.com/img/morrissey-bottle.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e0/Something_is_squeezing_my_skull_cd1.jpg

What's with the withered arm?

A statue of Johnny Ramone, I think.

I thought it was Dave Hill from Slade.

What's with the withered arm?

That picture is a true photoshop of horrors.

No it's not, you guys. It's from a weird angle. It doesn't look wrong to me at all.

He looks so deformed it's like he's Jonas Venture Jr.

is that a Ramone? i bet HE'd have stayed onstage if he'd had a placcy bottle thrown at him.

Oh no! I forgot to tell thread he was on Desert Island Discs! Maybe you all heard it anyway?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/nov/29/morrissey-desert-island-discs

It was posted about on the Morrissey S&D thread. :D

phew. going to bookmark thread.

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgxn6630wO1qdk1u3o1_500.jpg

. . . shorts?

they don't even look very ironic.

that shirt AND shorts?

I think it's cute. I especially admire the pen in his shirt pocket.

He looks like Doogie Howser.

That look is very summer 1985.

See this is something only he could make look at least a little bit cool.

Can't stop listening to southpaw grammar & and your arsenal lately.

Could say they were his best two.

Your Arsenal is tree-frickin'-mendous.

"Southpaw Grammar" is underrated, but not top two, IMO. "Viva Hate" is hard to top. "Vauxhall and I" is a great record. "Years of Refusal" is so unexpectedly good, it's kind of shocking.

So, in other words, you love almost all of'em.

He has like six other records. No, I don't love all of them.

And so what if I did? Eat me.

wha...?

I miss when Moz used to write to me on this thread. :/

And so what if I did? Eat me.

Meat is murder.

http://i.imgur.com/064MG.jpg

Grady, no!

(covers eyes, leaves thread)

btw i was "Morrissey"

the mods banned that login :-(

ah ha!

lol I had no idea

Damn. I saw him live at the end of last year and he didn't look that large. Otoh, he didn't take his shirt off.

How does a vegetarian get that big?

Oh yeah, Alcohol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoj5m4U_uTk&feature=related

woah that's terrible

^^^

i didn't listen to it. i was trying to find the super morrissey brothers thing that some ilxor put on facebook today.

"Morrissey does his best Iggy Pop"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J36cvLXko04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g9vvQhy4eE&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZnWbpamshc&feature=related

x-post - He looks really good in that vid. Damn.

lol the Divine clips set to The Smiths is a bizarre combo.

I cannot believe Morrissey looks like a 52-year-old man with his shirt off. Disgusting.

his best iggy pop is really not very good

good to see PETA finally have that big man cred

i saw him on saturday and it ruled.

he came on stage to a 7 minute version of How Soon is Now with gigantic strobe lights blasting off everywhere and it was so euphoric i almost died

also it was Boz's 50th birthday and he lost a bet of some sort so he has to perform every show of this tour in drag:
http://i.imgur.com/wTQ12.jpg

the rest of the band were wearing matching dress pants, no shirts, and Lei:
http://i.imgur.com/iQCXf.jpg

the kick drum displays the flag of the nation he's performing in on every stop, they used hawaii's state flag:
http://i.imgur.com/Oro7p.jpg

also, this was projected on to the backdrop for a good chunk of the show:
http://i.imgur.com/wpFe9.jpg

Of course Morrissey did not get lei'd.

wow!

the hawaii flag looks like something that would def catch morrissey's eye

My neighborhood gay bar is having an Unhappy Birthday party for Morrissey's bday tomorrow.

omg at Boz

grady I can't believe you didn't tell me about this!

it was a beautiful evening

http://i.imgur.com/FhIeT.jpg

That looks like the most chill Morrissey show ever.

oh! and they did Meat is Murder, which was accompanied by video from slaughterhouses being projected on the 30' wide backdrop

everyone was so uncomfortable but i was all "A+ trolling Moz XD"

xpost there was still a pretty gnarly fight between two dudes who both caught a shirt he threw in the crowd, and the surrounding people who had beer spilled on them

can't believe he's still on that oscar wilde tip

the last thing he said before leaving the stage after the encore was just "OSCAR WILDE!"

lol

November Spawned Arthritis

this person must have been right next to me-- watch at least the first 10 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhuAce5S3FM

I'm sorry to hear that, Morbs xp

someone please make an animated gif of 0:03 - 0:08

http://i.imgur.com/WvrcgYW.gif

http://true-to-you.net/sites/default/files/autobiography_artwork_01.jpg

"Although Morrissey's Autobiography was set to be available throughout the UK on September 16th, a last-minute content disagreement between Penguin Books and Morrissey has caused the venture to collapse. No review copies were printed, and Morrissey is now in search of a new publisher." http://true-to-you.net/morrissey_news_130912_01

The book was due out on Monday but they hadn't printed any copies yet?

Great cover!

'a content disagreement'? what does this usually mean in publishing terms? not a phrase i've heard often before i don't think.

publishers wanted him to change the ending

they refused to remove the oval that imprisons the penguin in their logo

the excerpts that have already appeared don't bode well, tbh. And that cover's a fake, surely - it wouldn't be a Penguin Classic.

"I'd like it to go to Penguin, but only if they published it as a Classic," Morrissey told Radio 4's Front Row. "I can't see why not – a contemporary Penguin Classic. When you consider what really hits print these days and when you look at the autobiographies and how they are sold, most of it is appalling. It's a publishing event, not a literary event."

smdh

Maybe he just through a hissy fit at the prospect of it sitting next to Toni Morrison in bookshops.

oh snap

The Story of Morrissey's Autobiography Keeps Getting Weirder

Maybe he just through a hissy fit at the prospect of it sitting next to Toni Morrison in bookshops.

Ha ha. Although this could never happen, because Toni Morrison's books are fiction, and Morrissey's autobiography... er, wait, as you were.

It's odd that Penguin hasn't commented given the story that the book was three days away from release is transparently untrue. I'd assume there are discussions at some level about a book in the future but it would almost certainly have to be penciled in for 2014. It's also odd that the BBC has essentially just reprinted a rumour from a fan site as news, but w/e.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U3Rh9mxcoU

!

Okay so photos started going around of just how *long* the book is when you look at it:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWj8D1oIIAEnaE3.jpg

Holy fuck.

Mine's being delivered tomorrow. I haven't seen any reviews (if there are any?)

Amazon says 480 pages. must be thick paper.

Then it turns out it's nothing but obsessive journalling about his breakfasts.

countdown to the first news site with a "480 pages of autobiography and Morrissey is still in the closet" headline

kinda amazed this really exists! any excerpts leaked yet?

I'd never seen the Penguin website before, it's pretty.

43;j54356u34jfoiajear23!!

https://twitter.com/ColinGPaterson/status/390617468001337344

Good grief. The first paragraph of Morrissey's Autobiography lasts four and a half pages. The book is 457 pages. There are NO chapters.

I'll be disappointed if the book is not written in the same style as these letters:

http://www.morrisseyscans.com/wordsbymorrissey

no chapters is kind of amazing

i suggest we all unite and shoplift some copies of this book

omg, an emo Tarantula.

Sorry, Tarantula not nearly so long and has found its audience in recent years.

from someone on the moz forum

"Now read 3/4 of it , the whole smiths story is tainted by how it ended , and there is a lot of vitriol for almost everyone ... its an interesting read from the point of view of showing the raging ego of a man who has never had to grow up and be responsible for his own actions ... the early family stuff is sweet but once the music business stuff starts its just bitching and moaning ..... dissapointing !!"

i love music business bitching and moaning. its the best kind next to hollywood bitching and moaning.

Hahah yes.

opening line reads

"My childhood is streets upon streets upon streets upon streets. Streets to define you and streets to confine you...".

In fact that's key here -- WHO WILL MAKE THE BIOPIC.

Suggest cast, director and screenwriter.

To package as a classic a book that no one except Morrissey and a handful of his fawning acolytes has read is instantly to reduce the worth of all classics. Plato, Julian of Norwich, Darwin – they must all be spinning in their graves right now. In essence, Penguin is sneering at the public. A classic is a book that is judged by posterity to be an outstanding work. How does that happen? Through people reading the book, discussing it, embracing it, recognising its artistic beauty and universal import. There is a democratic element to the idea of the classic; certainly the elevation of a work to classic status involves intellectual, public engagement, the subjection of the work to readers and audiences over a long period of time. For a couple of men in suits at Penguin's head office to decree, behind closed doors, that Morrissey's autobiography is a classic is an act of both extreme haughtiness and dumbed-down relativism – it is arrogant to believe a classic can be christened before being devoured and discussed by humanity, and it is ignorant, too, a relativistic denigration of those classics whose worth we as a species have already agreed upon.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100241061/in-publishing-morrisseys-autobiography-as-a-classic-penguin-has-destroyed-its-own-reputation/

"Signed, Luke Haines"

While that may have a point, it's written by one of the most profound cunts in the British journalistic canon, so if we're using his argument that a classic must be established on reputation, I say that he has already established his own right to shut the fuck up and never sully my mind with his noxious Tory filth again so help me God

Also I genuinely cannot be fucked how this was published, under what guise it is presented. 'Classic' is subjective marketing bullshit anyway. Who cares, other than those for whom subjective marketing bullshit is everything - the gatekeeping Tory shitheads?

While that may have a point, it's written by one of the most profound cunts in the British journalistic canon, so if we're using his argument that a classic must be established on reputation, I say that he has already established his own right to shut the fuck up and never sully my mind with his noxious Tory filth again so help me God

dunno would i call morrissey a fully-fledged journalist now tbf

haaaaa

In fact that's key here -- WHO WILL MAKE THE BIOPIC.

Suggest cast, director and screenwriter.

All I know is Daniel Day Lewis should play Moz. Maybe Stephen Daldry to direct?

Perfect.

managed to read 40 pages of it on my commute to work this morning

most amazing relevation so far is a childhood fondness for "Skippy The Bush Kangaroo"

ben affleck as morrissey vinnie jones to direct

Book's pretty good. Skimmed it in three hours for some news stories.

oh wasn't endorsing that excerpt by any means, i just thought it was hilariously splenetic. never read anything by that dude before but the phrase "a relativistic denigration of those classics whose worth we as a species have already agreed upon" just made me assume he was your typical quasi-racist right-wing asshole.

oh *dear*

http://www.ijamming.net/autobiography-by-morrissey-a-review/

A rare gem of surprise arrives as if from nowhere to round out the story, in the form of a letter from Marr’s music journalist pal Nick Kent, to Morrissey, begging to play the part of Marr in an ongoing Smiths. “I am not a good self-salesman but I can confidently boast an encyclopaedic knowledge of the chord structures, dynamics etc. of Johnny’s contributions to date.”

0____O

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2013/oct/16/morrissey-autobiography-smiths

If it is Morrissey's tragedy – as it is the tragedy of pop music as youth culture – that he appears stuck in his youthful persona, then that should be balanced against his youthful courage and his considerable achievements. But an autobiography is a book of a life. In Morrissey's case, which life are you going to get: the joyous, barbed but humorous spirit of the Smiths' years, or the inward-looking, self-obsessed curmudgeon of his middle age? The jury's out, but I know which one I would like to read.

... and?

I know, bad form to repost other comment sections, but:

PresumingOgs (17 October 2013 7:04am)

Michael, I know you're desperate to get the juicy titbits out there, but enough already. Give the book a proper read and then give us a considered review. Or, better still, get someone else to do it for you. Your mining of the index is akin to children looking up dirty words in a dictionary.

Guardian staff CasparPresumingOgs (17 October 2013 7:53am)
Relax! The considered review is coming from John Harris in due course

There isn't an index, so I heard, PresumingOgs.

The jury's out

lol courtroom metaphors

Then it turns out it's nothing but obsessive journalling about his breakfasts.

― Ned Raggett

well why not

sofia coppola is the only person i want to see direct a moz biopic

Got this at lunchtime to read on a plane tomorrow. It had a whole table to itself in Waterstones that had six copies left when I got there. During the time I spent queuing, two other people bought it. No index. Slightly disappointed at the size of the text - bigger than the usual Penguin Classics font, about the same as most modern popular biographies - which means that the 457 pages isn't as much as it sounds.

started on this at lunch, first pages were some ponderous overwritten reflections on Manchester (almost like Laura Barton were ghosting), but warmed up a bit as it went on. Did want to shout 'stop remembering tv' when he was just listing things he watched in the 60s.

EK, I got the third-but-last one on the table at University Place Waterstone's.

Randomly opened to some surprisingly cogent stuff about 9/11.

He's doing a signing at Reading Waterstones, the same week Amber's doing her work experience...

OK, that's a complete lie there.

Still, ....

meanwhile...

http://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/s403x403/1385824_10153328667805117_1497073546_n.jpg

Our past comes back to haunt us.

momus to play moz

I was at the only place in the UK open at midnight to sell it (I had to for work). There were 18 people there at midnight for the 192 copies. Very jovial, though. And we got a free poster.

Wonder what the economics are of opening your bookstore at midnight to sell 18 copies of a paperback retailing at £8.99?

Two-man operation, so perhpas worth it. And there was a BBC camera crew there, so maybe some publicity.

And, of course, maybe some more people turned up after I went (I left as soon as I got my copy) …

I'm browsing it just now. It's a decent read i think. He doesn't seem to prioritise much - every incident is dealt with in around two pages - so the effect is like having his life's contents all set up in a line, and then viewing them from a moving train.

He also appears to have dampened his very worst and most cruellest affectations, while leaving the quintessential Morrissey character traits (including middling affectations and fairly cruel character judgements). It's actually not unlike reading a particularly long classic-era l0u15 j4g9er post, and that's a compliment of sorts btw.

okay i'm sold now

That's one for the back of the second printing, reviews..

the bit where he discusses his relationship with Jake Walters is pretty cute, which is not an adjective I foresaw myself using about this book.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49lPGmnYDw4

sort of disappointed that this appears to contain forthright discussions of his romantic/sex life...? was hoping for more clever elisions and evasions tbh

It's not really any more forthright than any of his lyrics.

Did want to shout 'stop remembering tv' when he was just listing things he watched in the 60s.

Four and a half bloody pages worth. Morrissey veering dangerously close to Stuart MacConie territory.

Then again, that's only 4.5 pages. Stuart Mac writes whole books.

uh, just suffered through another three pages worth of childhood telly.

i keep hearing this thread title in my head sung to the tune of that gin blossoms song. driving me a little crazy...

and meanwhile i would LOVE to read 10 pages of MOz t.v. habits!!! maybe i'm crazy.

otm. I used to watch "Skippy The Bush Kangaroo" as well. Why then wasn't I the lead singer of The Smiths? Also, where does he stand on "Kimba The White Lion"?

He doesn't stand on lions.

I like it a lot more when he starts remembering music instead. And remembering books. I am completely into his tributes to Auden, Stevie Smith and Robert Herrick.

"And then my world would change forever..."

http://d202m5krfqbpi5.cloudfront.net/books/1275941673l/8242160.jpg

These are my favourite bits of autobiographies. Adolescence saved by books + music. I love his enthusiasm!

Only 15% in & I think the editor's starting to rush things a bit, 'Hillaire Belloc' repeatedly.

sort of disappointed that this appears to contain forthright discussions of his romantic/sex life...? was hoping for more clever elisions and evasions tbh

http://www.slicingupeyeballs.com/2013/10/19/morrissey-not-homosexual-is-humasexual-instead/

at least sense of huma is intact

no huma, bro

Huma huma yay
Huma huma huma yay

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2vcgo3k.jpg

http://confessionsofacurlymind.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/yung-humma.jpg

lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dUZ7DdnL20

Eh I've seen American beauty, not sure I need another story where the racist dude turns out to be gay

irl tee hee

Chris Heath's is the best review of this I've seen: http://www.gq.com/entertainment/books/201310/gq-reviews-morrissey-autobiography

Sums up exactly how I felt. It's a pretty great book up until The Smiths form, and then it just becomes weird and sad.

that seems about right – I still had legs for the section on The Smiths (maybe I'd have been disappointed if they mattered more to me – I like them, but I'm not one of the faithful), tho' it was a step down from the love art/hate school sections, but then… my god the trial… it goes on forever. And you think you're out, but the close reading of the judgement begins. And then the – what 100, 150-page? – repetitive tour diary is just rotten. Some nice little pen-portraits here and there, but really "The next night I played to a crowd of 5,249 adoring fans in Oslo. My audience is getting younger as I, unfairly, am getting older. I no longer care about the British press, especially not the NME, but they refuse to cover this hysteria." over and over with slight variations.

The first third or half is really really good, far better than I expected or feared after opening pages – but it goes badly wrong.

otoh, the tour diary is a sort of tribute to his fans, which is nice - but for a general reader, no.

First 150-200 pages of childhood and early youth are really great stuff.

The Smiths era is way glossed over, I was definitely interested to find how young Morrissey felt going from village misfit to indie stardom. But alas. The constant Geoff Travis bashing is hilarious, however.

The trial and legal fallout is obviously tl;dr but he does make one or two good points in the wash of whining.

Tour diary is very much for the fans. Not sure if one can really equate a concert in El Paso to prison sex but anyways.

Best revelation? He collected the money at A Certain Ratio's first gig!

Also: put this in context. There's less whinging in this book than in Peter Hook's "The Haçienda: How Not To Run A Club".

quick flickthrough..

Saw a bit where Mike Joyce managed to contact M via letter, post trial, etc.

The conclusion from Moz was more or less "yes, over time I may well find forgiveness, but we will never be friends again"

So, there you go..

The first third or half is really really good

This is what the NYT review said today... plus his fondness for Dr Smith from "Lost in Space"! Source of band name?

we will never be friends again

song title in waiting

"I may well find forgiveness" been done already?

looking forward to reading this when it's out in the US

the back half being sad/tragic obsession on trial seems v Wildean

There are just so many weird, bitchy moments.

At one point he's talking about somebody denying him permission to include a song - Swan Lake by The Cats I think - on that Under The Influence compilation he had about 10 years ago. Later it turns out the guy didn't even own the rights so Moz gets to include the song anyway. It's such a weirdly banal little anecdote that you wonder why he's even mentioning it, until you get to the last sentence in the paragraph: “When he dies in 2008, I think, Well, that’s what you get for being so nasty”.

There's a lot of fat hate too. The most hilarious scene - I mean, hilarious according to Morrissey - is when some girl tries to get an autograph just as the Smiths tour bus drives off and Johnny Marr shouts back at her, "See you, fatty!"

Later on, Morrissey thinks it a great joke that no one tells the girl who appears in the You're The One For Me Fatty video what the name of the song is.

By the end, he considers himself fat too, though, and moans quite a bit about his own belly.

instant karma went and got him

Not sure if one can really equate a concert in El Paso to prison sex but anyways.

why don't we ask Texans

ah I see, the first third is great cuz... it's like a music critic's memoir? My God, what could be worse?

oh hush mr film man

My God, what could be worse?

A Dennis Perrin autobiog.

That's his next book! Largely about the janitorial life.

American release date: December 3

I'm still slogging through this. It's really hard to take more than 10-12 pages at a time.

That anecdote about Under the Influence* seems to be the pattern - there is a succession of famous people he meets, or has brief dealings with and who all slight, snub or ignore him. Or just stop replying to his postcards. He sees Alain Toussaint in a studio and says hello, but gets no response - it goes in the ledger.

*it's the Sundown Playboys track, which was orig. licensed to Apple, and it's Neil Aspinall who sends the nasty note.

yes that anecdote tells me everything i need to know which is to steer well clear of this. “When he dies in 2008, I think, Well, that’s what you get for being so nasty” is not funny or clever, it's just a horribly depressing way to live your life.

I notice you end almost every anecdote with the phrase ‘needless to say, I had the last laugh’.

I couldn't get through this book and dropped it off at the charity shop. Guy behind the counter had read it as well and we agreed that two thirds of the book is basically Morrissey whinging. He asked me if I thought the book should be a Penguin Classic and I replied that honestly I thought it was just a marketing tactic.

you don't say!

Then I doffed my top hat and bid him good-day.

My withering criticism affected him so deeply that a spasm of shock sent his monocle splashing into his soup

First 150 pages, as everyone else has said, are really, REALLY good.

The tour diary maybe needed David Peace to write it. He can do the repetition-as-hypnosis thing that Morrissey really can't.

Otherwise it reminds me of The Kenneth Williams Diaries, down to near-death cameo appearance by Charles Hawtrey.

Frequently very funny and I think a lot of the criticism is down to indie/Penguin snobs saying don't spoil our party coarse varlet but I haven't got to the "legendary" 40-page trial bit yet.

The tour diary maybe needed David Peace to write it. He can do the repetition-as-hypnosis thing that Morrissey really can't.

Definitely some fishy aspects to how the trial panned out, but also VERY UNRELIABLE NARRATOR.

DEVIOUS, TRUCULENT AND UNRELIABLE NARRATOR iirc

Does he compare himself and his trial to Oscar Wilde's? I salute his willpower if he managed to resist.

in the 'books I have loved' section early on he doesn't really bother to explain his love for Wilde, just pointedly talks about his destruction by a wicked court.

And a Pitchfork review of the autobiography from Mr. Ewing:

http://pitchfork.com/thepitch/150-morrissey-autobiography/

a friend in Japan got me a proper copy - loving it so far tbh

That's great. This review and Chris Heath's are the only ones that really seem to get the book.

Fairly certain Tom's review is the best I've read ... it feels like he's read it rather than raced through it.

The Chris Heath review is semi-literate gibberish which wouldn't entice an arthritic gnu to read the book, but Tom's review is very good indeed and closest to how I feel about the book and its author.

"Spare a thought," he writes, "for those who rock the boat. They challenge your attention, and even in your rage you find you quite like them for poking you as if you were a dead mule. Perhaps you are?"

Eagerly awaiting its release into the local charity shops in mid-Jan. 2014.

The Chris Heath review is semi-literate gibberish which wouldn't entice an arthritic gnu to read the book

"wouldn't entice an arthritic gnu"? man, you're like a morrissey who failed in life: even more bitter, even more of a cunt. and lol you've got a cheek to talk about semi-literate gibberish when there must be millions of words of unreadable rubbish spread across your shitty blogs.

arthritic gnu, is it you?

Calling a review that clear "semi-literate gibberish" betrays some kind of anti-Chris Heath grudge on Marcello's part because it's a baffling assessment. My problem with Heath's review is that, like so many others, it seems disappointed by all the things that one would expect Morrissey's autobiography to contain. I loved the book because, flaws and all, it captures Morrissey's personality to perfection. I also found it funnier than Heath seems too. To take just one example, the fact that Morrissey follows some petty gripe about a misbehaving record label with "sigh times five thousand" suggests to me that he's ready to laugh at his lifelong inability to let the good outweigh the bad.

Dear Morrissey why are all your albums overcompressed now?

p sure he uses some light auto-tune for the high notes too

latham green otm

arthritic gnu, is it you?

LOL!

Morrissey has never really understood the importance of production/engineering imo

Basically Tom Ewing's last paragraph otm

I don't get it, marcello. Are you suggesting that arthritic gnus are avid readers, easily enticed into reading rock memoirs, and that heath's review is worse than useless because it can't manage even that? Or is it the opposite, that arthritic gnus are not only illiterate but very hard to motivate into doing anything at all - but your aesthetic standards are so high that you will brook no criticism that won't accomplish this (demand the impossible &c)? Is "wouldn't entice an arthritic gnu" a saying I don't know or something? Are gnus with healthy joints more receptive to racist 80s indie singers, or less?

Wait don't answer any of that just tell me is the plural of gnu gnus or is it just gnu cause I fear I may have just made a fool of myself

Morrissey has never really understood the importance of production/engineering imo

yeah that's true. feels like his voice really meshed with the Smiths, the early solo stuff w/Stephen Street is still pretty good mix-wise but that's where things start to sound a little karaoke-esque and it just falls off steadily from there

I looked it up, it's gnus

Phew!

reference?

Gnua

glamorous gnu

it captures Morrissey's personality to perfection

^^^ this. was all I was asking for from this book and it doesn't disappoint. I don't give a fuck about subjects glossed over or missing details, I am not interested in standard rock star biopic narratives or "how was it done?" mechanics

harsh chords, explosive intensity

Some reviewers have found this unrevealing. I think it might be the most revealing memoir I've ever read, albeit sometimes unintentionally. People who think it would have been improved by in-depth stories about how he wrote This Charming Man puzzle me. Most music memoirs don't deliver the goods about songwriting anyway and most are much duller than this.

(If you do want that Smiths-geek insider detail, btw, Johnny Marr's Q&A in Daniel Rachel's Isle of Noises is fantastic, but I expect it from Marr.)

nv, Google brings up 5 results for "arthritic gnu". That's more than I was expecting, maybe it is a reference.

I think Heath was disappointed by Morrissey not being David Gedge.

Whereas Morrissey was disappointed by David Gedge not being ...

glamorous gnu

― Tip from Tae Kwon Do: (crüt), Tuesday, December 3, 2013 1:11 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

YES.

We look to ILX
For the snark posts we write
Usenet is dead
Usenet is dead

Nothing gnu under the sun...

http://assets.amuniversal.com/980ed1f01dc7012ea5ca00163e41dd5b

The fuck?

http://www.stereogum.com/1589931/homosexual-relationship-edited-out-of-morrisseys-autobiography-in-the-u-s/news/

my friend at work is reading the UK version he ordered online and said the parts with the jake guy aren't really like super revealing or anything, just like...he's around when some story about crissy hynde happens and stuff, but nothing too revealing...he was confused as to why it would be taken out

Page after page of sniping rage
An English singe or an American tinge?

Irish balls English whinge?

The AmericaniZed spelling of words in this was weird, and annoying.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_spelling

I liked this bit:

http://distilleryimage1.ak.instagram.com/00d903be5e6711e3a58b0e76d35d513f_7.jpg

He was kinder about her when she died.

Well, there you go. Not enough salt in this world to take pinches of for the book.

By the way, for anyone interested, googling "a crisp packet would have caused more attention" in quotes leads you to an upload of the entire book on scribd.com.

Is it all in present tense/is all dialogue in italics/does he always use phrases like "i flick back"

Not gonna read it either way but curious as to the exact extent of bouncing back/I partridgeness here

"Luckily, I had the last laugh..."

The great thing about it is the intentionally funny bits are interspersed with unintentionally funny bits so I found the whole book hilarious.

a lot of it is in present tense but he sort of flits back and forth between that and past tense

it is v funny

It's not a good book book, but's it's a really terrific loo shelf book.

By contrast, that was a wonderful sentence.

xp soft, strong, and thoroughly absorbant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_spelling

― Working Class Rejected Street Boot Brat (Noodle Vague), Friday, December 6, 2013 1:42 PM

It's not just that, it's dropping the u from words like colour, glamour etc. Just unexpected seeing it in a Penguin Classics book written by Morrissey, that's all. I mean, did he write it like this, or did Penguin change it? And why!?
But anyway.

So if you're in NYC on Thursday...

http://www.myfreeconcert.com/events/morrisseys-autobiography-book-signing

It's not just that, it's dropping the u from words like colour, glamour etc. Just unexpected seeing it in a Penguin Classics book written by Morrissey, that's all. I mean, did he write it like this, or did Penguin change it? And why!?

My guess (completely uninformed) is that he just typed this up in Word or whatever, with the default language set to US English. I can't imagine he knows how to change the setting, and he has a way with words and all, but he's always been pretty rough with the finer details of written and edited English. Apart from the US spellings, there are loads of things that would usually have been changed in an edit - the crazy tenses and parts that don't make sense, for example. I'm thinking the earlier dispute with Penguin was something like them saying, "We'll have to edit this shit," and him going, "My words must not be touched" till they backed down.

http://i.imgur.com/Y2qgaOF.png
http://i.imgur.com/uRkSzDO.png

You're just too busy
To see me
All around Union Square.

I took a walk
down Union Square
that fucker Morrissey
is never there

He'd better run run run run run etc.

"My guess (completely uninformed) is that he just typed this up in Word or whatever, with the default language set to US English"

I read somewhere that he'd written it in longhand, and the m/s was then scanned/OCR'd

chapter on his secret love of Mr SHankly in secret was removed by the freemasons - you didnt hear it here - davinichi code and more

Leonineo Davinichi

so far my most wtf sentence has been the one where he apparently contemplates procreating with some Iranian lady friend

He sang at the Nobel Prize concert yesterday in baggy grey trousers. Not as prestigious a gig as it sounds: James Blunt also performed.

Did he perform Baggy Trousers?

'Baggy Grey Trousers' should be the name of a Morrissey/Smiths cover band who do all the songs in the style of Madness.

{Suggs type voice}
Punctured bi-cy-cle
On a hi-ill-side
so desolate!
Will nature make a man of me yet? {horns: WAH WAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH!}

Beligerent ghouls in all the schools
headmasters breaking all the rules
spineless bastards innnn the pubbbbbb...

What the hell? (Nice photo btw)

http://i.imgur.com/OFbeDTk.png

http://i.imgur.com/IDXAMIg.png

The websiteurl.com and the phone number might make it look like a hoax but I think Morrissey's just put a work-in-progress version of the poster on his website. The Tom Jones date is listed on his own website: http://www.tomjones.com/tour-dates/.

Sir Cliff Richard 'honoured' to support Morrissey

That's a great interview. I think I'd really like to see that show, if I'm honest.

All I can say is "Thank you Patrick, or Morrissey" - I'm not quite sure how to refer to him

"That old curmudgeon you're supporting"?

woah alright I'm not massively drunk reading all this

because

I'm sure this is all an elaborate troll on the posters at morrissey-solo and you gotta respect him for that if nothing else

Concert notifier website I use had this moz tom jones show listed at the LA coliseum which can hold about 80,000 people or more... Sports arena is across the way and seats way less.

as long as he doesnt snuggle up to bette midler

Morrissey playing Vegas, duetting with Celine Dion on a mash-up (Moz-up?) of 'There Is A Light That Will Never Go Out'/'My Heart Will Go On'.

"That old curmudgeon you're supporting"?

My favorite b-side.

lol

"And if a ten tonne truck, should crash into us, my heart will go oooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnn"

Mozz shoudl be supported by Billy Ocean

cliff richard interview:

Q. He also has very strict vegetarian rules surrounding the gigs - will you be going vegetarian for the day?

A. Certainly not. No, of course not. I like to think he might eat some meat when I arrive, but I wouldn't expect him to. So I don't think he'd expect me to be vegetarian. If I found he was offended by people eating meat then I won't eat it in front of him. But I'll have a chicken curry afterwards.

this is not going to end well...

"the stage must be free of chicken gizzards"

Morrissey with special guests Alice Cooper and Kristeen Young

Mozzer: "For fucks sake Alice, I'm covered in blood!"
The Coop: "Ah, what ya complainin' about, it's not like any of it went in your mouth! Ha ha! I'm off to play some golf!"

never hit on Moz's increasing resemblance to a plumper old Boris Karloff

When he was at my friend's private view last summer, my thoughts were: love child of Tony Hancock and Gordon Brown.

November Spawned a Frankenstein's Monster

Stolen from a friend on FB: 'Mistletoe and Whine'.

Mozz smothers lady gaga with eyebrows onstage

New album title has been announced.

1. Tastemakers chart?

2. I did get that pic disc single, mainly for the buzzcocks cover version. Not played it yet though.

Tracklisting of new album

1 WORLD PEACE IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS (4:21)
2 NEAL CASSADY DROPS DEAD (4:02)
3 ISTANBUL (4:40)
4 I'M NOT A MAN (7:50)
5 EARTH IS THE LONELIEST PLANET (3:38)
6 STAIRCASE AT THE UNIVERSITY (5:30)
7 THE BULLFIGHTER DIES (2:05)
8 KISS ME A LOT (4:03)
9 SMILER WITH KNIFE (5:13)
10 KICK THE BRIDE DOWN THE AISLE (5:18)
11 MOUNTJOY (5:08)
12 OBOE CONCERTO (4:07)

lol

praying to God that Oboe Concerto is a song that ends up being his incontestable masterpiece, crowning his career in glory, and everybody has to say "that Morrissey, he's a racist piece of shit and he tended to pad his albums with some of the most forgettable filler ever known, but 'Oboe Concerto' is a solid jam and nobody can really deny that"

Oh God I just laughed so hard at that.

Is it time for 'ILX pre-covers Morrissey'?

praying to God that Oboe Concerto is a song that ends up being his incontestable masterpiece, crowning his career in glory, and everybody has to say "that Morrissey, he's a racist piece of shit and he tended to pad his albums with some of the most forgettable filler ever known, but 'Oboe Concerto' is a solid jam and nobody can really deny that"

― Now I Am Become Dracula (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Sunday, April 13, 2014

i'm already ready to say this.

except for the "forgettable filler" part, you heretic!

Is it time for 'ILX pre-covers Morrissey'?

...you have the right idea. Hold on.

Okay, contributors welcome as of now:

ILX Pre-Covers Morrissey's "World Peace Is None Of Your Business"

https://31.media.tumblr.com/9b9d7c1d32e5bd25ce0b34449b9b7387/tumblr_n43k0yZRu61sq4hjno3_400.jpg
https://31.media.tumblr.com/15750732b5688442542a16ef0d32eba4/tumblr_n43k0yZRu61sq4hjno2_400.jpg
https://31.media.tumblr.com/5a469c40933ff8e94bee6867e91d0352/tumblr_n43k0yZRu61sq4hjno5_400.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/z613Dvj.png

1 WORLD PEACE IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS (4:21)
2 NEAL CASSADY DROPS DEAD (4:02)
3 ISTANBUL (4:40)
4 I'M NOT A MAN (7:50)
5 EARTH IS THE LONELIEST PLANET (3:38)
6 STAIRCASE AT THE UNIVERSITY (5:30)
7 THE BULLFIGHTER DIES (2:05)
8 KISS ME A LOT (4:03)
9 SMILER WITH KNIFE (5:13)
10 KICK THE BRIDE DOWN THE AISLE (5:18)
11 MOUNTJOY (5:08)
12 OBOE CONCERTO (4:07)
13 HOW DO I SHOT WEB (6.33)

Cool bonus track for the Japanese edition

If you read the nearly released Sex Criminals collection by Matt Fraction and Chip Zdarsky, there's a rather amusing cameo in silhouette of "an English crooner" named, get this, "Esteban."

Is his surname "Buttez" ?

Only in the earlier drafts

That looks quite an eccentric fabric.

http://pitchfork.com/news/55123-morrissey-allegedly-demands-cancellation-of-show-taking-place-at-same-time-as-his-in-nearby-venue/

I mean, lol

Having been to said venue numerous times, it's not THAT much of a deal. Two separate stages within the same building, in separate rooms, though you do go along the side of one (where Paws were) to get to the other. Moz just had a cow, in today's lack of surprise.

lol @ bedtime zing

is the barclays centre cliff richard show not sold out? it's being advertised on bus stops and phone booths

"After thwarting a couple creepy attempts by fans to mount him like a steed..."

http://blogs.ocweekly.com/heardmentality/2014/05/morrissey_tacked_on_stage_san_jose_by_fans.ph

Dude from We Are Scientists calling Morrissey milquetoast... well, I guess he'd be the expert

are you saying that Dude from We Are Scientists...is "the milquetoast one"?

Barclays is not sold out, which isn't surprising. He didn't sell out MSG in 2007 either.

are you saying that Dude from We Are Scientists...is "the milquetoast one"?
― Enola Ghey (King Boy Pato)

That was the idea

34 minutes in is the single http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0435crm

Not bad, but I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris was better right?

Don't know why he insists on that kind of clumsy, heavy backing band sound even of they sound better here than on previous album.

There's a weird spoken-word promo vid with what looks like Nancy Sinatra as well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WltvzfNMiF0

Yes, that's Nancy Sinatra all right.

wait is he parodying his own true-to-you posts or

So here is the album cover:

http://i.imgur.com/04HRJVC.png

Which is apparently a photo that appeared on True To You earlier this year, with a new background photoshopped in and some wrinkles photoshopped out.

Nice bit of clone stamping in the bottom left:

http://i.imgur.com/NbeeehU.png

Guys, I've seen everything:

http://www.dianamystery.com/ALMAMATTERS.htm

That World Peace cover is a bit Neil Young-ish.

totally neil youngish :)

diana mystery reminds me of http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/fc1.html

what could go wrong

Joined June 2009

yeah they just deleted all of the tweets because there was definitely more than one when I made a widely-ignored @moz/@itsmorrissey joke this morning

Wonderella ‏@wonderella 1h -- RT @itsmorrissey what's ham like

lolololol

^^ first morrissey twitter beef

lol

Maybe the record company insisted he do twitter promotion in exchange for them doing record company promotion?

SCANDAL

http://true-to-you.net/morrissey_news_140516_01

if the album were spoken word like that promo video I might actually be interested

his music just keeps getting more and more unimaginative & like a pastiche of himself

def. I debated going to some of the new tour dates but its reached the point where half of the material is post you are the quarry garbage

Another spoken-word vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0W9v1Vz4Ixs

https://twitter.com/harvest_records/status/467732037223198720

RIP "Official" Twitter account

Two of the new songs are on Spotify, World Peace Is None of Your Business and Istanbul. Pretty good for modern Morrissey. Some nice detailed production instead of the usual chug.

Thx. "Istanbul" has a bass line lifted from Marvin Gaye. Seems like he's been involved in something like that before. Hmm.

Really liking Istanbul. Nearly Smiths/early Moz quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcGGojgYZQw

The instrumentation is nothing like the Smiths. I like it, though.

The instrumentation is nothing like the Smiths

I dunno, to me it sounds like a cross between Money Changes Everything and the unreleased original mix of Sheila Take A Bow. It could easily fit on The World Won't Listen.

http://i.imgur.com/bIJ82Y5.jpg

oh honey no

♫♫ Let me get my hands on my mammary glands ♫♫

i'm sure this is anachronistic but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobriath

In November 2004, long-time fan Morrissey oversaw Jobriath's first CD re-issue, a compilation called "Lonely Planet Boy".[18] It was produced by Eddie Kramer. Morrissey had previously attempted to secure Jobriath as a support act for the tour in support of his Your Arsenal album, having been unaware that the singer had died some years previously.

"hey lets get Jobraith to open, i'm a huge fan"

"hate to break it to ya Mozzer, but the bloke's been dead for a decade"

"Morrissey Joins Van Halen"

Morrissey acts out slashfics for your amusement and/or revulsion.

Moobissey

slimming vegetarian diet ✓

Morrissey nipple cream:for all those charming men who eBay shining tits

Larry King ‏@kingsthings Aug 23
I'm suddenly obsessed with Morrissey...
#ItsMy2Cents

bulbous salutation, otherwise central zone.

enjoying that some of the criticism is aimed at the non-olympic event of the half-mile relay

We're doomed.

https://twitter.com/officialmoz/

No tweets, 20.6K followers.

Oh lord... I hope it'll just be an outlet for promotional stuff like the official Morrissey facebook page.

It'll be screenshots of his faxes.

that and a lot of alt-right retweets

Spent the day in bed...

— Morrissey (@officialmoz) September 18, 2017

glad I could be here for this momentous occasion

I earnestly hope that he only tweets once each day, and that it's about how well he slept or not.

"I had a bad dream"
"I dreamt about you last night, and I fell out of bed twice"

etc

tweets and likes are on your side

Spent the day in bad

https://i.imgur.com/5wVEtck.gif

get out of yr wanking pit, you sad old nazi twat!

that and a lot of alt-right retweets

― be the cringe you want to see in the world (Noodle Vague), Monday, September 18, 2017 7:11 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

remember when he wrote an essay about how Marine Le Pen had been unfairly treated by the media and made his bass player post it to his (the bass player's) personal facebook page

https://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/spent-the-day-in-bed-first-single-will-be-premiered-on-bbc-6-music-shaun-keaveny-sep-19.140680/

I fake the news to you gently

at least he's funnier than SNL

Oh I'd been wondering why people were cawing over moz tweets on FB... has he not been on twitter before now? (certainly no surprise)

i can't work out if that album tracklist is a parody or the real thing.

remember when he wrote an essay about how Marine Le Pen had been unfairly treated by the media and made his bass player post it to his (the bass player's) personal facebook page

there can be few more thankless tasks than being morrissey's bassist

Following his bassist urges

he's broke 50k now, that fucking new gulag archipelago is getting bigger by the hour!

the thought of 2017 moz writing songs called 'the girl from tel-aviv who wouldn't kneel' and 'israel' is causing me some discomfort tbh

Weird to specify a year

That "Israel" is a cover of the Banshees song is, perhaps, the most we can hope for.

what is this mythical tracklist

Track Listings
Disc: 1
1. My Love, I'd Do Anything for You
2. I Wish You Lonely
3. Jacky's Only Happy When She's Up on the Stage
4. Home Is a Question Mark
5. Spent the Day in Bed
6. I Bury the Living

Disc: 2
1. In Your Lap
2. The Girl from Tel-Aviv Who Wouldn't Kneel
3. All the Young People Must Fall in Love
4. When You Open Your Legs
5. Who Will Protect Us from the Police?
6. Israel

actually, a moz song called 'when you open your legs' is giving me The Fear too

wow

Disc: 3
1. The Singer is Afraid of the Bin Men
2. You Left Me in the Car Park at Waitrose
3. Why Are Wham Bars More Expensive Now?
4. I'm Lonely and I Think Baout Things
5. Girlfriend in a Burqa

a lot of lower body content on the second disc. maybe he's going to use his new twitter account to .@ celebrities asking for feet pics

it's the morrissey sexxx jams joint we've all been waiting for!

ok so he's horrible now but there's no way I'm not listening to "Who Will Protect Us from the Police?" at least once

spoiler alert: muscular skinheads will protect us from the police

almost definitely

this is kinda funny
https://youtu.be/kVTzT3FmxhI

Sing the third. Also be a racist curmudgeon.

also lolling at "you want to avoid that note (the root) like it's meat, like it's a prime cut of veal".

Well, it's different

Oh dear. A friend has just texted to say there has been an "awkward silence" during a Radio 6 interview after UKIP were mentioned.

Interstitial comments between songs on a 6music live set, but yeah he tried to make a joke about Anne Marie Waters having the UKIP election stolen from her.

Oh look, *friends*

Morrissey backs anti-Islam politician Anne Marie Waters during 6 Music session https://t.co/65cSmqdBlL via @NME

— Anne Marie Waters (@AMDWaters) October 2, 2017

In order to deliver his message clearly ("all journalists are megastars and the only aim of their interview is to express and establish their own personal views, and to hell with whatever the interviewee says"), Morrissey has just published an interview with himself on his website.

Let's see what he has to say about Hitler and racism

as far as racism goes, the modern Loony Left seem to forget that Hitler was Left wing! But of course, we are all called racist now, and the word is actually meaningless. It’s just a way of changing the subject. When someone calls you racist, what they are saying is ”hmm, you actually have a point, and I don’t know how to answer it, so perhaps if I distract you by calling you a bigot we’ll both forget how enlightened your comment was.”

On halal meat

both parties support halal slaughter, which, as we all know, is evil. Furthermore, halal slaughter requires certification that can only be given by supporters of ISIS, and yet in England we have halal meat served in hospitals and schools!

(this is followed with videos of halal slaughter)

And on his best mate Anne Marie Waters

There is a new party called For Britain. They have the best approach to animal welfare, whereas no other party even bothers to mention animal welfare. The EU will not protect animals from halal or kosher practice. For Britain seem to say what many British people are currently thinking, which is why the BBC or Channel 4 News will not acknowledge them, because, well, For Britain would change British politics forever … and we can’t have that!

The full thing is here - http://www.morrisseycentral.com/messagesfrommorrissey

As someone who made my friends drive me 500 miles to a Smiths gig in 1986, I’d like to throw this fucker into the swill pit of a halal abattoir and let him drown there, preferably while Meat is Murder plays on loudspeakers.

^^What She Said

Ugh I read a bit more to depress myself further

He continues: "London is second only to Bangladesh for acid attacks. All of the attacks are non-white, and so they cannot be truthfully addressed by the British government or the Met Police or the BBC because of political correctness. What this means is that the perpetrator is considered to be as much of a victim as the actual victim. We live in the Age of Atrocity."

What a lying cunt.

Buddy of mine in college always like to point out about sXe people we knew that once you go so far left wing you end up on the right. Looks like Morrissey has gone way over the same threshold.

is he also against typography

morrissey you hideous turd

Don't agree with the horseshoe business, in general and in this specific case. Morrissey hasn't gone "so far left wing you end up on the right" - he's just a racist old man who happens to approach it from an animal rights POV.

xxxp alternatively, he was just always a racist dick from day one - this interview is from 1986, for example

Obviously to get on Top Of The Pops these days, one has to be, by law, black. I think something political has occurred among Michael Hurl and his friends and there has been a hefty pushing of all these black artists and all this discofied nonsense into the Top 40. I think, as a result, that very aware younger groups that speak for now are being gagged."
You seem to be saying that you believe that there is some sort of black pop conspiracy being organised to keep white indie groups down.
"Yes, I really do."
Morrissey goes on: "The charts have been constructed quite clearly as an absolute form of escapism rather than anything anyone can gain any knowledge by. I find that very disheartening because it wasn't always that way. Isn't it curious that practically none of these records reflect life as we live it? Isn't it curious that 93 and a half percent of these records relect life as it isn't lived? That foxes me!"
"If you compare the exposure that records by the likes of Janet Jackson and the stream of other anonymous Jacksons get to the level of daily airplay that The Smiths receive - The Smiths have had at least 10 consecutive chart hits and we still can't get on Radio 1's A list. Is that not a conspiracy? The last LP ended up at number two and we were still told by radio that nobody wanted to listen to The Smiths in the daytime. Is that not a conspiracy? I do get the scent of a conspiracy."

http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~moz/quotes/abroad.htm

All of the attacks are non-white, and so they cannot be truthfully addressed by the British government or the Met Police or the BBC because of political correctness.

Hey, let's have a look at the most high-profile acid attacking case so far - here's the perpetrator.

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_medium/public/thumbnails/image/2017/04/19/07/arthur-collins.jpg

🤔

What a dick. If he was just anti carnivore, fine, but to specify halal and kosher preparation? Fuck you, Morrissey.

There is a new party called For Britain. They have the best approach to animal welfare, whereas no other party even bothers to mention animal welfare

just gonna stick my neck out here and suggest this may be just a little more detailed than whatever AMW and her dozy mates have published: https://policy.greenparty.org.uk/ar.html

but there's no arguing with an idiot this hateful tbh

LOL like Morrissey has ever been left wing, let alone so far left he ends up right wing.

Green Party wouldn't ban halal slaughter, this is his number one concern, For Britain do actually seem to be the party that best represent the nazi vegan viewpoint at the moment.

Hitler was a veget... oh, what's the point?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/AnimalRightsNaziGermany.jpg

I've been teasing this out in my head all morning. So: Morrissey puts forth the argument that "animals = humans". If this equivalency is contested, he has an emotional response, and claims that people who don't share this view are cruel. This is essentially a polemical bear trap. With Morrissey wielding this equivalency like a magical talisman, he is able to make racist blanket statements-- most of which are based on non-facts and/or stereotypes, like "Chinese people butcher dogs" and "Inuit people club baby seals" and "Halal butchers must apply to ISIS to get licensed". His vegetarianism is a smokescreen for his racism.

As one of my closest friends-- himself a Morrissey acolyte-- has himself made racist statements to me regarding the seal hunt, defending his position behind an overwhelming emotional attachment to "being a voice for animal rights". It has made me wonder whether "vegetarianism breeds misanthropy, which then distills itself into permitting oneself to have racist ideas and opinions", or whether "racism uses vegetarianism as a method to enact systems of white supremacy"-- or if it's some combination of the two.

Either way I don't think of Morrissey-being-an-idiot on terms of left or right, or wish to ascribe blanket statements like "vegetarianism is a product of the white bourgeoisie" or whatever. There is something wrong with him and it's the same thing that's wrong with every white man who ages out of relevancy

Green Party wouldn't ban halal slaughter, this is his number one concern, For Britain do actually seem to be the party that best represent the nazi vegan viewpoint at the moment.

i don't think morrissey has ever said he's vegan tbh and for britain definitely are not. johnny marr is though and he's a pretty good guy imo

And Johnny Marr lives in Britain, afaik.

No problem with vegans, just nazi vegans, who seem to be quite a tiny minority of vegans. (Morrissey does seem to be a vegan btw, see hilarious section of the interview about looking for eggs in Tesco)

He used to live on egg and chips.

A tee-total vegan, god help us he will probably make it to 140.

"vegetarianism breeds misanthropy, which then distills itself into permitting oneself to have racist ideas and opinions"

i think this is a thing that animal rights communities are aware of and strive to challenge - it's something you see arguments about on social media farily frequently - but as far as my own experience goes i reckon the level of prejudice within animal welfare/animal rights groups is somewhat less than you'd encounter in wider society?

We should hash this out somewhere. I know a pretty good Argentinian Steakhouse, Nick :p

i mean, a lot of animal rights people come from the whole social justice/environmental justice axis xp

Thought Morrissey was supposed to be a beer monster tbh

I seem to remember him talking of his admiration for English football hooligans, so perhaps he is some kind of failed version of a beer monster/lad type, with added racism and shit lyrics.

I heard Sheila Take a Bow for the first time yesterday, in the lobby of a hotel. Dear Morrissey, your band’s shit.

@ NickB the efforts of animal rights groups have effectively devastated an economy of seal hunting, butchering and selling of seal fur, that Inuit people in Canada have historically relied upon for their survival. The methods used to advance the propaganda of the seal hunt include dissemination of incorrect information and statistics.

Recent protests by animal rights activists in Toronto involved picketing a "farm-to-table" carnivore restaurant that engaged in sustainable and humane practice. The hypocrisy of having animal rights activists protest a restaurant that was making an attempt at a more ethical method of carnivorism caused the restaurant's popularity to spike-- it is now always full. People argued that these protesters ought to be picketing McDonald's, or any other restaurant that relied upon factory-farm processes.

I myself suppose that the impulse that drives people toward isolating individual groups (the Inuit; upper-middle-class-white-people-in-my-neighbourhood-with-affectations-toward-farm-to-table-dining) and targeting them as being cruel and unjust and inhumane is rooted in the synapse between "an emotional response toward images of animal cruelty" and racism or anti-bourgeois sentiment, respectively. Hate the seal hunt because you're racist. Hate nose-to-tail because you hate the bourgeois. Hate people in fur coats because you hate the rich. Either way, they're forms of misanthropy-- not actually targeting the war-machines against animals, but sublimating latent forms of misanthropy and using animal rights as a weapon toward expressing hatred for your fellow humans

I have no opinion either way, I think the best method of convincing people toward veganism/vegetarianism is by learning how to cook vegan and doing so spectacularly

He also goes on a tear about Sadiq and his “inability to speak properly.” Something tells me Sadiq’s perfectly charming South London accent wasn’t the issue...

He’s so awful. Makes you almost grateful he doesn’t use twitter.

@ NickB the efforts of animal rights groups have effectively devastated an economy of seal hunting, butchering and selling of seal fur, that Inuit people in Canada have historically relied upon for their survival. The methods used to advance the propaganda of the seal hunt include dissemination of incorrect information and statistics.

yeah, i can't argue in support of that and i can only speak for my own experience in the UK i'm afraid. would agree that protests targeted at specific ethnic groups is inherently racist and i will never support such campaigns. ironically you could quote a smiths song here: barbarism begins at home - it should be the injustices in your own community that you should be looking at, whether that's animal exploitation or social injustice or whatever. fortunately i haven't encountered organised campaigning from the animal rights sector in the UK that specifically addresses halal slaughter (i'm not saying it doesn't exist though, it just hasn't penetrated my own particular bubble; i do stay waaaay clear of PETA though and wouldnt be entirely shocked if they were thoughtlessly banging away at that drum). the people i have heard speaking out about it are pretty much out and out racists like morrissey, or it's been yer man-in-the-street oi-guv average guy necrovore expressing anguish that the animals they've consumed have experienced pain and suffering as though all other beings killed for meat in a proper british way just peacefully pass away, blissfully unaware of their fate (so yeah, these guys are pretty much racists too)

sorry i'm rambling, will think about the rest of your post later

Something like 90-95% of halal meat in the UK is pre-stunned, meaning the only significant difference is a few extra prayers, iiirc.

Moz has lived too long; what a shitbird

wow so sad that morrissey died in 1994 shortly after releasing vauxhall and i

Headline: extremely conceited person thinks everyone else should fuck off and pretends to care a tremendous amount about things that aren’t other people

@ NickB the efforts of animal rights groups have effectively devastated an economy of seal hunting, butchering and selling of seal fur, that Inuit people in Canada have historically relied upon for their survival. The methods used to advance the propaganda of the seal hunt include dissemination of incorrect information and statistics.

oops sorry, just backing up here: one thing i meant to add is that possibly the racism inherent in this activism is not out of keeping with racism towards inuits across wider society? this may be an example of that societal racism in practice, rather than prejudice exclusive to whatever AR groups were involved

I think the best method of convincing people toward veganism/vegetarianism is by learning how to cook vegan and doing so spectacularly

agreed!!

it pisses me off that racist man-children like Morrissey and toothless dorks like Moby feel so entitled to spout all this ignorant, offensive bullshit and turn animal rights activism into a punching bag once again.

Morrissey. pic.twitter.com/skhglv6U2i

— Mark Gillies (@5goalthriller) April 17, 2018

Green Party wouldn't ban halal slaughter, this is his number one concern, For Britain do actually seem to be the party that best represent the nazi vegan viewpoint at the moment.

i don't think morrissey has ever said he's vegan tbh and for britain definitely are not. johnny marr is though and he's a pretty good guy imo

― i'm surprised to see your screwface at the door (NickB), Tuesday, April 17, 2018 7:24 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And Johnny Marr lives in Britain, afaik.

― (Henry) Green container bin with face (Tom D.), Tuesday, April 17, 2018 7:25 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

johnny marr was living in portland recent iirc. and yes, morrissey is not a vegan, which is quite hilarious - dairy industry is equally as cruel as meat industry - and usually involved with it - and involves lots of slaughter

I've recently lapsed in my veganism due to laziness and dating someone who isn't even vegetarian. have eggs and fish on occasion now. i was never a particularly bolshie vegan because people are unpleasant enough to you if they inadvertently find out about it, let alone if you try and proselytize to them, but i always judged bolshie vegetarians because they're awful hypocrites. I'm now a hypocrite in a quiet, private way (excluding this post on ilxor.com)