come anticipate the BBC's iPlayer with me

http://www.currybet.net/images/blog2007/iplayer_spoof_ross-mac.jpg

ROWR

lol at 'fuzzling'

what's up with watching tv programs on a tv?

For me, the most exciting part of all this is being able to watch Match of the Day on demand. Here's hoping it's better than Channel Four's shitty on-demand player that I *still* can't get to work.

Also Currybet OTM.

i can't even get bbc's radio reups : /

4oD is awesome but i just watch it all thru my cable box, not the net

ha ha ha

http://www.currybet.net/images/blog2007/iplayer_spoof_express.jpg

surely the underline should be under the 'our'

the main thing that i wonder about is whether this will get left in the dust by some product or system that allows people to watch this stuff ON THEIR TV, rather than sitting at their desk to watch dr. who as if they're at work

yeah, 4oD - all your Justin Lee Collins needs.

no, they mean the poles steal everything else, now it's our *tv*!

xp

I thought that was real for a minute.

koogs is such a technophobe

Other underlining possibilities:

Now Poles steal our TV

(why didn't they do it sooner??)

Now Poles steal our TV

(before they were just vandalising it)

the main thing that i wonder about is whether this will get left in the dust by some product or system that allows people to watch this stuff ON THEIR TV, rather than sitting at their desk to watch dr. who as if they're at work

http://images.techtree.com/ttimages/story/78402_appletvbig.jpg

RIP EARLY 2007 NEVA 4GET

Diana Evidence: New Link To Pole Thieves?

i thought it was real!

not 'for a second', but till alba questioned its realness.

You get all the bbc on demand stuff with cable telly, as well as channel 4 and some cable owned channels' stuff. There was a trial of ITV for a while too before Sky bought a share in ITV and Virgin Media fell out with Sky.

To be honest, it was the shonky-looking typesetting, not the headline's improbability, that alerted me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6245062.stm

Ricky Gervais singled out as an enemy of open source.

sorry but 4od BLOWS

... as does the iPlayer. It installs but won't let me upgrade my Media Player security settings. According to the message boards this is a common problem but I can't seem to find a way around it.

Anyone got this to work? Downloaded the software, went to download a prog and it comes up with message download iplayer library software which I'd just downloaded. Rebooting the pc didn't help either.

sorry but 4od BLOWS

how so? the only downside i can tell is the terrible 'pitter patter' menu music.

yeh i got this working.
too many hoops to jump through to set it up, but it works pretty well once you do. downloads are P2P and very fast.
pity its so tied to windows media player.

Finally got it working after looking through the BBC iplayer message boards.

If anyone has the same problem this is the workaround which worked for me:

Update to the latest version of IE7
Update WMP
Uninstall I-player (again)
before I re-installed it I went into internet options and deleted history/cookies/temp files.
Went into the security tab, clicked on custom level then scrolled down to enable the axtive-x options detailed earlier in this thread.

I then went into c/program files and deleted the kservice & dkservice folders which were from previous installations of sky anytime and 4OD that I had removed some time ago, I think this was the main problem and something i totally forgot to check.

I then re-installed the i-player as instructed in my original email and it seems to have started d/loading okay, just hope they play okay. Hope this is of some help.

My problem is that when I try to download something, it tells me I need to update by DRM settings/licenses and offers me the option of doing so. If I click yes, nothing happens. At all. The computer doesn't crash, it just refuses to let me say yes. Hugely annoying.

Anyone know a way around this? I must get this working before the start of the football season.

Also it's a good job they're doing this with only a limited number of users because it would be a disaster if they'd gone mass market with it already.

fuck me. this sounds like the biggest heap of shit ever. well done, the BBC. as usual.

This is making me enormously annoyed now. I've located where my DRM folder is, and selected 'show hidden files' and for some reason my Windows XP refuses to actually show it. I know it's there (because Windows won't let me make a folder called DRM in that place) but I can't actually see it.

Anyone got any ideas as to how I might actually be able to access this folder?

haha get a mac lol

o wait

> Anyone got any ideas as to how I might actually be able to access this folder?

command line?

knoppix 8)

It won't let me in through the command line either. Hugely annoying.

try threats

It works now! And it's great.

"Downloading 0% (0MB)"

It's been saying that for 15 minutes, I could have stolen Still Game via other sources by now. It doesn't work and it's not great.

I had that as well. I signed out and then in again, and it started downloading.

wake me up when this a) works b) on a mac c) with something (other than still game or family guy) i might actually want to watch on BBC TV.

Now working in Mac and linux via flash:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/

What it needs is a standalone option that can float over your other windows, otherwise, seems good.

Everyone is off watching telly now, aren't they?

cool, now i can watch last week's Top Gear repeats on a 13" screen device that cost 4 times as much as a television.

oh, wait, i can't because i don't have broadband 8)

My excitement about this faded totally when I realised it wasn't carrying Match of the Day. Ah well, might be good for catching up on missed episodes of Doctor Who I suppose.

Ed it can do full-screen, which is basically the same thing. Full-screen Flash is kind of a high-end option, though. My old iBook struggles with it.

Matt yeah the rights issues are a nightmare with sport. :/

Virgin's On Demand thing doesn't carry sport either. I end up using ukn0v4 for MOTD most weeks.

It was okay once I got it working, but the iPlayer is never going to be a satisfactory substitute for ukn0v@ unless they get a decent selection of shows available. The last time I looked they were carrying just two programs from BBC4, neither of which was what I was looking for. Rubbish!

For BBC Four I see

- George Melly's Last Stand
- Brasil Brasil
- Love Soup
- Pop Go the Sixties
- Mark Lawson Talks to David Renwick
- Legends
- Bulgaria' Abandoned Children
- Watching the Russians
- The Late Edition
- The Sky At Night
- Flying Visits
- The History of the World Backwards
- Brasil Brasil: A Tale of Four Cities
- Brasil Brasil: The Tropicalia Revolution
- Brasil Brasil: From Samba to Bossa

It is sort of dumb that you can't begin by choosing a channel - you have to look at a certain day first or do a keyword search, and THEN filter by channel.

i forgot to install this

b-b-but the point is that now you don't have to install anything!

> It is sort of dumb that you can't begin by choosing a channel

it is. maybe they are trying to get away from the idea of channels given that traditionally channels were only there because it was the only way of having a choice at any given time, you had to physically switch between the channels. but i think the channels as genre / brand thing still works.

(still no 64 bit flash for linux btw. can wrap the 32 bit version with a netscape plugin but...)

if anything they're trying to brand and distinguish their channels more than ever. somewhat foolishly imo.

BBC has always been about branding and distinguishing their channels, even when there were only two of them.

I challenge anyone to point out a meaningful difference between ITV1, 2, 3 and 4 though.

OK, now finally no nonsense about downloading codexes and DRM. It is now officially actually good! Only took them six months!

ITVs

1: coronation street
2: X factor behind the scenes shit
3: poirot
4: police camera action with alastair "one for the road" stewart

I've just looked and yeah the iPlayer actually IS now a lot better. Also, convenient link to the radio stuff as well.

Do you still need to download to go full-screen though? I refuse to watch telly in tiny windows.

I am in the role of Beeb apologist here I realise, but I just want to point out that it's not like they just thought of this (Flash). Flash video simply took too long to encode and also is pretty CPU-intensive on the client side. With the new Flash encoding tools (which include H.264) this is better. Also the BBC has felt for years that the Flash audio codecs are not up to snuff, so a lot of the wait has been negotiating better ones with Adobe.

Matt if you DL and install the latest version of Flash player, it will do full screen (it's the little icon in the extreme bottom right).

I challenge anyone to point out a meaningful difference between ITV1, 2, 3 and 4 though

I am not aware of the differences but neither do I see it as a real problem (OK this is partly because there's hardly anything on them worth the watch but still 'the Beeb' retains the most value as a brand term itself, despite all the compartmentalism). Note that The South Bank Show remains defiantly on ITV1 tho at a day and time you wouldn't expect anyone else to think was a good idea, and hasn't been shunted off to a 'arts programming for the sniffy elitists' digital alcove. So it's interesting that ITV don't see the need to divide subjects/markets up like that. Maybe it would make more commercial sense to do so, even more demographic sense to do so but I like that they haven't.

did they make the radio streams higher quality, too? the radio 3 one is pretty acceptable now (only 65kbps, it says, but it sounds a better than that to me).

booo geolocation

I'm wearing NATO schwag around my neck right now I should be fucking allowed to watch The Mighty Boosh

I watched the George Melly documentary via flash streaming yesterday evening. The picture quality is only barely acceptable in full-screen mode.

http://www.twindx.com/node/276

This is amazing - hopefully this loophole never gets closed.

Very nice, but I don't see it staying open for long.

403
Forbidden.

Sorry, the server is not able to provide the page you requested at this time:

WHat did I do wrong?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/03/13/iplayer_iphone_drm_loophole_closed/

http://po-ru.com/diary/bbc-iplayer-fix-hacked-again/

Now available on Wii

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/04/09/bbc_iplayer_wii/

This has probably been commented on 2000 times on ILX, but has anybody else noticed the volume slider on the iPlayer goes up to 11?

Top.

UK ISPs are demanding the BBC help pay for their shoddy networks now because of iPlayer's success. Did they think shaping illegal downloading was going to work forever and there'd never be legitimate need for the bandwidth they promise? xp

There's a good analysis on the Reg about how a large part of the problem is BT not selling dark fibre for the backhaul, only allowing ISPs to connect to their exchanges with their fibre products which, naturally, are a bit over priced.

NV, that nugget has made my day. i don't want to think about what that says about my day.

I noticed the other week, couldn't find an appropriate thread, and then assumed that everybody would already know and I wd be publicly mocked anyway.

more old programmes needed

Match of the Day needed, ffs. Any idea when the BBC might sort out the rights issues for this, anyone?

Never

Note that The South Bank Show remains defiantly on ITV1 tho at a day and time you wouldn't expect anyone else to think was a good idea, and hasn't been shunted off to a 'arts programming for the sniffy elitists' digital alcove.

it's now on Sky Arts :/

haven't the bbc lost motd again?

I thought they'd just lost coverage of England games, not Premiership highlights?

In 2006, the BBC agreed a new deal with the Premier League which means that league highlights coverage will continue on Match of the Day until at least the end of the 2009-10 season.

you are correct so yeah they really do need to sort that out. i might use the thing if they do.

The thing with putting MOTD into an 'anytime anywhere' system is that once you do you'd probably find most people don't need the whole programme and just want to see certain games, goals etc. so separating the content for online/on-demand consumption or at least providing that option makes sense (plus who gives a toss about Alan Analyses anyway).

They've really clamped down on PL action on youtube over the last few months I've noticed.

That could apply to a lot of shows that are broken up into several segments - Newsnight, for example, or the Culture Show. But yeah, probably more so with MOTD but I doubt the Premiership will lose much sleep over that.

I use the iPlayer almost exclusively now. Don't think I've watched the BBC in a few months. And since I almost exclusively watch BBC programmes (with a bit of ITV2 and CH4 thrown in) I've radically cut down my TV watching!

Anyone been following The Curse of Comedy series??

Of course, I could just get a Humax and be done with it.

Internet football rights are sold as a separate package now. So the Beeb couldn't show Match of the Day online as those rights are owned by the company that runs all the individual club websites, by the look of it. For the same reason you usually can't get BBC local radio live commentaries any more.

Anyone been following The Curse of Comedy series??
Yes, thanks to iPlayer

Tried out the Wii one. Quality's a bit low, there's no full-screen and the sound gets out of sync a lot. Not quite there.

also wii browsing sucks doesn't it??

The volume goes up to eleven.

Is the Wii thing any better yet? I could set the whole thing up and find out, I guess, but I thought I'd ask before I bothered my arse doing any hard work.

The .exe on this page is interesting.

Indeed.

k, so i am trying to work out how to download the delicious mp3 stream of a beeb radio show (rather than the old rm stream), and have gotten as far as what info the xml feed gives me:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/4/mtis/stream/b00d25wg

and now i am stumped. WHAT NOW ILX? i feel like i'm close.

(ironically i also couldve just left the stream on, pressed record and had a cuppa in the time i've spent googling this bitch.)

You're actually a long way off - the XML file you linked to specifies a .ram file that links to an .ra file but the actual URL for this .ra file is obfuscated by a RealAudio media server so you can't download the MP3 straight from it, the media server only allows the file to be streamed through an application like RealPlayer or iPlayer.

(ironically i also couldve just left the stream on, pressed record and had a cuppa in the time i've spent googling this bitch.)

Yes...

i know that; i've been d/ling the ram streams for yonks already if i hadnt made myself clear. it was my understanding though that the beeb now does an mp3 stream via flash INSTEAD of the ram stream (which is still being run concurrently for whatever reason). or maybe it doesnt, yet, though it does seem to sound better. does that mediaselector link refer to two streams or one?

http://www.digitalradiotech.co.uk/2008/07/bbc_on-demand_streams_higher_quality.php

there are obviously two links in that xml file you linked to but the first, the mp3:Secure isn't going to be playable in anything but iplayer as it's encrypted. looks like it's using akamai for hosting as well.

iplayer is nothing but trouble for me, i kept getting 'not available in your region' errors at the weekend despite living a mile from bbc tv centre. the little snippets of radio4 breakfast show etc never play.

http://linuxcentre.net/?page_id=6 (lol, perl)

"About get_iplayer

This tool allows you to download or stream any iplayer programme from the BBC in H.264 (Quicktime/mp4) format, any radio programmes in RealAudio format (which is then converted to wav or mp3) and all podcasts in mp3/aac format."

BBC One and BBC Two to be streamed live.

I know there's Zattoo already but the quality's a bit dicy.

i didn't know about Zattoo :(

You fool!

The iplayer volume goes up to 11!

Yep.

iplayer download manager for osx/linux is now in beta. You have to sign up as a labs tester and then get the download manager from here.

And in other news, zattoo's streaming channels 1-4 in broadcast quality until the middle of january. Hurray!

It appears you can replay BBC1s New Year countdown coverage on the iPlayer, which surely can be of no conceivable use to anyone at all?

It might be useful to people who have a thing for Matt Baker, and, you know, watch some fireworks while they listen to Matt Baker chattering away about the "rhythm being created entirely by the fireworks", that's if you could hear it over the noise of Matt Baker yammering away.

BBC1 coverage was a horrorshow. It's difficult to imagine who would be pleased by it.

Can anyone report back on Jools Holland shiftiness levels from last night?

lily allen was outsung by the ting tings

Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only

boooo!

Anyone know how to get around that (UK only)?

you could try sending a check for 135 pounds to the uk tv licensing agency

A UK based VPN tunnel or a UK based proxy. VPN is probably easiest, you just need a mate with a decent upload to create the endpoint.

I don't see why they couldn't arrange something like that.

135 a year, less if your computer is black and white :)

Well yes, I could just pay for it. I'm prepared to pay it here in UK now, so why shouldn't I pay it over in DC next year if I like UK TV so very much...
But will also ask my savvy programmer brother about VPN.

have just noticed the --type itv flag for get_iplayer which gives you access to all their "itv-catch-up" shows. which includes 11 episodes of Press Gang, 17 episodes of Joe 90, all the gerry anderson stuff from itv4, the prisoner x 13, catweazle(!), metal mickey...

they are all 320x240 asf files, which is less than good, but ok for watching on the tube

ipad version will be out on thursday

US version in the summer

hmm i assume that would be developed in conjunction with Worldwide and be a paid app - first step towards PPV BBC content outside the UK i guess?

new TV version of iPlayer out today. a big step up i think.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2011/08/bbc_iplayer_connected_tv.html

i might just be a weirdo but i have a ps3 and never watch iplayer on my telly. always on the computer.

heh yes i think that is a bit weird!

Sunday Morning Live is the weirdest show on TV:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b013yypb/Sunday_Morning_Live_Series_2_Episode_9/

"John Bird, Andrew Stone, Jon Gaunt and Julie Bindel debate: Should we get rid of the human rights act? Should women stay at home and look after the kids?"

What's not to like?

This is great

http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/playlister

The new BBC Playlister music player - rumours abound

haha sorry- I keep doing that!

iplayer (radio version) seems to have moved to using radioplayer thing.

looks superficially similar but

a) doesn't remember volume settings and defaults to LOUDEST whereas i normally listen on 2/10
(except radio 3 which isn't run through the optimod so is much quieter than the others)

b) doesn't remember position in show so i have to write it down if i'm splitting listening between days

c) (minor) no choice of hi / lo quality stream - sometimes when the live stream died you could switch quality and it'd come back.

bbc has apparently cracked down on vpn / dns shenanigans for ppl outside the uk watching iplayer. anyone know of something that works?

tryna watch that bake off too huh

I use Private Internet Access, iPlayer seems to work if I choose a UK-based server.

I believe VPNs are harder to block than the DNS changing sites.

thanks milo i'll take a look

i'm using unlocator and chose uk-2

works like a charm

odd, unlocator is what recently stopped working for me.

My Private Network working for me

trying to watch the winter olympics on iPlayer is immensely frustrating. How could they have cocked this up so badly? Why not make little groups of videos for each sport? Instead we've got these massive 3.5 hour chunks of coverage to scrub through, the descriptions will reference a few sports covered, but aren't exhaustive, and the titles of the chunks all begin with "Winter Olympics 2018 - Day 8 - ..." so on a phone you can't tell the difference between any of them because the title gets truncated. From what I understand it's all been handled by BBC Sport which is an online-first proposition, so I'm confused how they could have made such a hash of this.

Agreed, you have to sift through a lot of curling to get to something with watching. It’s worse on AppleTV because scrubbing through shows is so painful.

Olympics aside the search function is atrocious, it can’t find words within titles most of the time.

Huh search works p well for me - maybe the Apple TV build is different somehow

They do have these 2-3 minute highlight clips of big moments but I want to see the whole event. And just that event, without other stuff sandwiched around it that I have to fight through. It's bizarre that you can't just dial up "Women's Super-G Final".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/aboutthebbc/insidethebbc/howwework/accountability/consultations/bbc-iplayer-public-interest

^ BBC wants to make all (most) programmes available for 12 months after broadcast, do more archive stuff, more box sets etc. If you want to participate in the consultation you can email publicinter✧✧✧.t✧✧✧@b✧✧.c✧.u✧

and answer these questions:

Question 1: What do you think about the potential public value of our proposals for
enhanced availability of BBC content, including the extent to which our proposals
contribute to the BBC’s mission to serve all audiences through the provision of high
quality and distinctive output and services which informs, educates and entertains?

Question 2: What do you think about the benefit to consumers who will use the
service, as well as wider potential social and cultural impacts?

Question 3: What impact (positive or negative) do you think our proposals on
enhanced availability might have on fair and effective competition?

Question 4: Are there any steps you think we could take to minimise any potential
negative effects on fair and effective competition or to promote potential positive
impacts?

ha whoops. well, the email link is in the above URL