My faggotry knows no bounds

you don't even have to ask about mine.

hay u

"No-no" bounds.

His most abominable and darling sinne I should rather burie in silence, than mencion it, were it not a most admirable instance, how men are enslaved by wickedness, & held captive by the devill. For wheeras presentlie upon his censure at this time his ambition was moderated, his pride humbled, and the meanes of his former injustice and corruption removed; yet would he not relinquish the practice of his most horrible & secret sinne of sodomie, keeping still one Godrick, a verie effeminate faced youth, to bee his catamite and bedfellow, although hee had discharged the most of his other household sevants: which was the moore to bee admired, because men generallie after his fall begann to discourse of that his unnaturall crime, which hee had practiced manie yeares, deserting the bedd of his Ladie, which hee accounted, as the Italians and the Turkes doe, a poore & meane pleasure in respect of the other; & it was thought by some, that hee should have been tried at the barre of justice for it, & have satisfied the law most severe against that horrible villanie with the price of his bloud; which caused some bold and forward man to write these verses following in a whole sheete of paper, & to cast it down in some part of Yorkehouse in the strand, wheere Viscount St. Alban yet lay:

Within this sty a *hogg doth ly,
That must be hang'd for Sodomy.

(*alluding both to his sirname of Bacon, & to that swinish abominable sinne.)

mine doesn't either jess

I'm not very faggoty :(

I'm not very faggoty, but nonetheless, it is boundless. I'm drunk at 10:30 PM. And listening to Shakira.

Nothing gay about Shakira.

I'm listening to George Michael, top that.

you're ridiculous, boy.

now finish me off.

I'm listening to Amanda Lear. Any advance.

i'm about to listen to bjork

THATS FAGGOTY

That's not very faggy. "Human Nature" by Madonna? That's faggy.

xpost about to listen? Are you in a state of taut readiness?

Human Nature is the last great song Madonna made, IMO.

My Raggettry knows no bounds.

YES, next to Beautiful Stranger which is more of the best William Orbit song.

wrinklepaws you're gay? i thought u were a chubby chaser

or maybe somebody is impersonating you over on another websit

o u bitch

Chad Wrinklepaws had a pic with his girlfriend on a wdyll IIRC

did she look like this girl: http://williamsboard.com/topic/43521/&r=379&images=1

Cask-strength gay.

http://myspace-033.vo.llnwd.net/00632/33/04/632544033_l.jpg

Chad Poll

sorry for the breakup D:
been there, hugz chad!
http://www.hereinreality.com/funnystuff/bearshug.gif
BEAR hugs ;)

My aggro-try knows no bounds. GRRRR!

http://www.der-deutsche-spock.de/pics/GutenMorgenProf.jpg

Human Nature is one of my fav Madonna tracks fer sher

I just bought Janet Jackson's Control LP and Shannon's Let the Music Play LP today. I guess those are the faggiest thing I own now.

What about a dildo?

No dice.

I got fucked in the ass. Does that make me gay?

no, that makes you perverted

IVAN CONGRATULATIONS ON YOUR BUYS!!

xxpost: Only if you're not in jail.

http://images.somethingawful.com/mjolnir/images/cg04052005/IZO1.jpg

Haha, thanks Surmounter. I almost bought this one for $6, but opted out. Regret not getting it now.

Heave Ho stop stalking me

i'm not stalking you, i just have a good memory

i watched Sommersturm last night.

Is this supposed to be the new gaylx thread, or is this something else?

my fraggroty knows no bounds

http://www.hlportal.de/images/content/tfc/infos/infos03.jpg

I intended this to be the new gay thread!!!

You went with a different title entirely, though.

Hmm. It incorporates homo-ness, so I thought that was enough....I think the fags will find us from the old gay thread.

This would have made a good subtitle for a Chicago thread.

Most ILX threads incorporate homoness!

For instance.

hello test

that is funny, i posted that from the train, but it didn't seem to be working, but it did.

Hi dere, your hetero correspondent is back from Italy!

My fraggltry knows no bounds.

http://blueion.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/fraggle.jpg

=P

welcome home mark!!

Hey, you're gay, tell me something: have you ever been to a drag AIDS benefit? Is the following normal? I went to a benefit while I was in New Orleans where people came up from the their seats (stands in the back, and tables for quasi-VIPs) to hand each performer bills which she stuffed into a cylinder. There was a line of people handing money over, which is different from regular tipping, it seemed to me.

?

Wow so this is new gay thread!

Holy shit, so ILX peeps, crazy (gayish) stuff happened at my birthday party. Not to me, per se, but it was very amusing. Will share stories later.

Videos ended up on YouTube, apparently. 11 of them.

links, plz

no. no no no.

I found it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCimI9QUtc0

:D

I just had the this guy from Captain Ahab--dressed identically (but muuuuuch more sweaty) grind all the fuck over me in a basement in New Brunswick: most of the sweat on my shirt is his. No, I'm serious.

he has a gf :((

Foxy.

yeah that was fucking crazy show.

he has a gf

i don't see how this should matter...? wicked hot dude, tho.

Is that his scrotum hanging just above his knees?!

Oh gross. I don't think it is, but I don't know what it could be.

it's his leg, you faggots

http://www.dlisted.com/files/gayhab.jpg

I found this over at the chicago thread!

oh god, the typical hairless body with oopsy-pubes.

and a slight outie.

good pic of him. he doesn't always look so cute tho.

I'm so sick of those really prissy gay people who make it feel like you have to impress them or something before you're worthy conversing with them, and their more 'tolerant' friends will try to make you feel better by saying "Oh, it's OK, he hates everyone", which is of course untrue.

God, I feel like I keep having to impress people, and then feel like shit when they're rude to me.

Try acting like you think you're unattractive but you're not quiiiite ready to embrace that. But do it deliberately. Like, "Oh, I dunno... most of the guys don't like me..."

Nothing wrong with pity points. I speak not without experience.

Sounds disgusting, maybe. Maybe I should have first asked what your goal is.

No, I'm not talking about potential suitors, I'm just talking about people that I sometimes have to interact with; friends of friends, people at work, etc etc. I'd never go for a queen to date.

What I dislike the most is that I don't dislike them back. In fact I think they're very fun to converse with, etc. That always makes me bitter, when I think someone is pleasant and they treat me poorly. I always end up overhating them but secretly wish they'd just be nice to me.

I can name like 5 people off the top of my head by name that this has happened with.

and a ton more if i really thought about it

I used to run into these people fairly regularly. Not so much anymore. And if I do, I really can't be bothered to care.

I think it may have to do with their growing up. And mine too. I'm less concerned about impressing others now than I used to be, even if I like that person.

My second date went well. MAKING OUT IS SO AWESOME.

prompted by a viewing of the heiress, a discussion topic for the fagz:

there has never been an actor as beautiful as montgomery clift, like, ever.

discus

1. Andrew, you're right

2. I dont remember Clift. but i will look him up

3. tonight kenan saw my penis for a significant period of time, and took no small amount of interest in it. i was peeing in the alley.

4. MAN, i want to get laid/cuddled RIGHT NOW!!!

oh man.

I can't discuss Monty Clift right now.

Or The Heiress.

4.1 kenan and i wound up at the gay sports bar where 2 men hit on us for a long time, but as much as i want male attentions, i just don't have the wherewithal right now for the formalities of a new hook up.

4.2 our bartender was the bareback porn star i posted here earlier, and he was looking fucking *amazing* -- had goatee and stubble on his face, as well as a baseball cap, and sleeveless t-shirt.

4.1.1 the one guy was cute enough, but his friend has bad, bad hair--he had negative sideburns--shaved about 1/2 inch above his ears. eek.

5. i want to snuggle up next to a human with a cock right now

/conflicted tired desperate talk

i miss tori amos. andrew reminded me of her recently, and i am really enjoying a revival of everything up to and including (but not exceeding!) Boys for Pelee.

i want to snuggle up next to a human with a cock MORRIS TOWNSEND right now

(haha i do want to hear alfred's thoughts on clift/heiress at some point)

I really would be interested in tracking the trends in my emotions, b/c I suspect that they run monthly, and regularly. Anyway, I'm a puddle again. This article FROM THE ONION made me misty!!!! http://www.theonion.com/content/node/65627

WTF???!!

I asked one of the guys from the bar what he had been doing before going out, and he told me that he and his friend were hanging around his condo with their friend Tina. I found this odd since they didn't seem to be tweaking, and before I could say anything, he told me, "She's actually a real person, named Tina."

Needless to say, if I were Olivia de Havilland I'd probably let the impossibly beautiful Monty Clift AND Ralph Richardson service me on the ottoman.

Monty would probably pass on the offer, though, and come post about it on this thread.

Also it is nice to hear that Kenan is still really really intrigued by these "cocks" he hears so much about.

http://www.treasureislandmedia.com/tivideo/videoimages/sns02.gif

This is from a Tr3@sure |sl@nd release--D@mon Bl0ws @merica.

oh, faggotry

odorama porn?

hello! my boyfriend just moved in woot!!

where the hell have you been for the past 2 weeks?

listening to Throwing Muses?

haha i listened to throwing muses today :(

squeeeeeeee!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1247/1302940603_41b3eedab4_m.jpg

Someone is clearly winning the facial hair race.

aww that's a cute picture.

hi stevie! well i've been on vacation so i've been writing a lot of music. what have i been listening to, though... oh yeah, bjork and janet.

i DID put on The REal Ramona the other day but Kristin's on the bench for a short while since i near OD'd on her a couple of months ago.

;-) not for long tho

+ my boyfriend's move-in has been exciting - there are liek lamps and furniture here now. !

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/rrawn/livingroom.jpg

there's a living room pre-decoration. but it doesn't look bad for just happening! that there on the left is a lamp shade. i have been wanting a lamp for months.

also the lamp shade is conveniently blocking an accidental shot of Ryan in briefs in the upper left corner there!

Apparently there was a gay game night the other night that I wasn't invited to. Naturally I'm both shocked and ok about missing out on it. Especially since it was at the house of someone who I find a bit annoying. Ah well.

A gay game of what?

oh no, THIS is the current official gay thread?

yes!! where have you been?

Trivial pursuit, based on the picture I saw.

so nice out!

was really a fantastic labor day.

guyz this is a very critical time. it's my last hours of vacation time b4 i have to go back to the work.

THE WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok, ok, i just need to keep breathing. yes, breathing.

Sleep?

yes that worked.

As a lurker can I register my disapproval at the title of this thread?

I hope my office isn't title-searching.

Besides NSFW, what's the objection?

My main objection is that the thread title is nothing at all like previous thread titles, and so it wasn't clear that it was supposed to be the gaylx thread (and no one treated it like it was at first, etc.). It reads like an ILX thread about unbounded faggotry, which could be a popular thread, often revived, but is totally different in vibe from the running gaylx threads.

And there are still annoying straights hanging around.

Honestly, the "like, a certain amount of gay friends" meme was not very compelling. I for one welcome the faggotry.

Just call it Gay Thread: My Faggotry Knows No Bounds.

I wondered if the lurker upthread objected to the "F" word.

Jaymc's version seems ironic, and Jesse's doesn't.

each new gay thread should be a new offensive slur. And when you run out of gay slurs sometime in the distant future, you have to start making them up.

I could really give a shit. That sounds like I'm upset or something, but I'm not--really, who cares what the thread is called?

I wondered if the lurker upthread objected to the "F" word.

-- Jesse, Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:05 (Tuesday, 4 September 2007 16:05)

I liked the threads theme is all. Honestly the faggotry thing is fine with me but it just seemed very different!

Oh. We can change it. Makes no difference to me. Though as I said at the beginning of this thread, (or think I did) the other thread title was boring me.

What about incorporating a number? "GayLX 4: Swordswallowers of the world Unite!" or something?

i have, like, many semantic issues on ILX

oh man, the faggotry in the NYC Eagle men's room Sunday night REALLY knew no bounds...

Isn't that one of the few bear bars remaining?

yes. and i'm not sure there should be any.

May I bring up a prurient question? Do gay men tend to be able to (or teach themselves to) deep throat or is it just a small minority?

Any gay man who can't needs to learn. Or who won't needs to do it.

It seems to be a common skill. (xpost)

xp

or, just stick to "conveniently sized" partners.

They are harder to deepthroat (but it can be done).

Curvature makes a world of difference.

I'll admit that I practiced -- on bananas -- when I first got to college.

You go boy.

That's as it should be.

I have questions but don't want to deepthroat this topic

if it's about curvature: curve down = easier when going at his from right side up; curve up, easier in 69 position.

If you've seen a lozenge commercial this will make a certain amount of sense to you.

sorry for the breakup D:
been there, hugz chad!

BEAR hugs ;)

-- ian, Friday, August 24, 2007 5:08 AM (1 week ago) Bookmark Link

^^^ this was not me?

or, just stick to "conveniently sized" partners.

haha Fun Size! Like Halloween candy!

(note: I am eating a Fun Size Twix right now. No, really.)

Scanning today's New Answers, I have determined that the next gay thread should be called "strange and beautiful cock tales."

We have decided that you will be the first poster.

so the dating thing is going really, really well so far! we've been actually going out on dates and doing things -- had a sunset snack picnic in the park overlooking the city yesterday :D he brought me a flower == squeeeeeee

the only thing i'm worried about is the fact that we've decided to take the physical part really slow. we've fooled around a very little bit, but nothing really hot & heavy (we did make out while buzzing on w33d br0wnies, which was insanely intense, tho). it's pretty clear we'd be sexually compatible, so i'm not worried about quality -- i'm just worried about being able to control myself for the duration. it may be up to 6 weeks or more before we get down to some serious business.

i am a hot blooded male. it gets me a little crazy sometimes. i don't want to fuck this up, tho.

And there are still annoying straights hanging around.

I was invited to the gay thread :(

Is he a hot-blooded male too? How did you decide on that period? Sounds like a good idea, I think.

Are you scared you're going to "fuck it up" as in push too hard for some pushin' or as in you're going to get some on the side?

I was invited to the gay thread :(

You're damn right you were.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v201/sevenxviii/ughfuckthursdays.jpg

Creepy.

Okay, I fixed the picture, guys.

dad?!

And there are still annoying straights hanging around.

I was invited to the gay thread :(

-- Curt1s Stephens, Thursday, 6 September 2007 01:57 (Thursday, 6 September 2007 01:57)

Mark C is straight by the way, he was making a joke at his own expense, not yours.

Also LOL @ Max

Mark C is straight by the way

This is going on my tombstone.

good luck, elmo!

Yikes, pwned.

Whatup?

hi!

I love buttcrack shower fireman's expression

haha it's so hoaxy

it's all like, "STICK A FIRE HOSE UP MY BUTT."

adfl;kjasfdj!!!

So I am going to the traveling-from-DC Blowoff dance party tom'w night in NYC. As I am relatively unexposed to electro, what's the best way to fake my way through an hour or two with a hall full of dancing bears? Just take my shirt off and wiggle?

http://blowoff.us/blowoffSetList.html

let the rhythm move you

No time to give advice, off to search out that Justice remix of "LoveStoned."

see, YOU should be going to this, not me.

Morbs, squeeze your nipples and shout "Hou Hsiao-Hsien" loudly.

Personal Jesus (Dirty South remix ) - Depeche Mode

hmmm.

if i never hear "young folks" out in nyc again it'll still be too soon

OK, this Justice remix kind of sucks.

SHIT is blowoff tonight??? gahh i suck

http://www.key-z.com/YellBears2.jpg

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/William-Beard/Dancing-Bears-Print-C10035650.jpeg

http://images.wikia.com/muppet/images/thumb/a/ab/Simon_Smith_&_His_Dancing_Bear.JPG/200px-Simon_Smith_&_His_Dancing_Bear.JPG

Seriously you need to request "Simon Smith And His Dancing Bear". Some remix or other of it will do.

the "Dirty South Remix" thing sent me on a mad rush for Depeche remixes

http://www.dmremix.be/

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/69/225489455_5d32237790.jpg?v=1156628317

I do not know this "Young Folks," no surprise.

There still MIGHT be tix available, Stevie. (If I was smart I'd give you mine.)

also there's another in December

wait i thought it was last night

so ya the thread title. i have absolutely no problems with xcept i feel weird opening it at work.

THATS MY TAKE, DEAL

change it to "gaiety"

now THATs gay

I'm taking a class in LGTBQ studies this quarter. I didn't know there was sometimes an "I" in that acronym. I'm learning already. Craaaaaazy.

lesbian gay transgender... bisexual queer?

LOL. I thought it was "queer" too at first (got laughed at for thinking so, v. embarrassing), but it's "questioning" I think?

haha i have no idea

It can be either/or, apparently.

weeeeeeird, those fucking questioning queers

ok so is this a queer day's worth of eating: soup, small side of rigatoni, bowl of cereal and blue chips with hummus.

i guess its more queer that 9 to 5 is in the vcr right now

do u guys think it's hot to like say the word faggot during sex?

u know it's a thing... "yea faggot, suck that cock faggot, that's right faggot"

what do you think?

no

=/

Yeah, it never goes down well.

Hahaha. Straight people are sooo uptight about calling each other 'faggot' during sex.

Under the right circumstances it can be a good thing. I've called/been called that during heated moments, I *think*.

Words that I think would NOT work:

Dummy
Jerk
Goofball
Silly Goose

"bingo"

I was thinking more about this whole "faggot" thing....

It's good if the guy you're with is not bi or "straight" or who does not reciprocate giving head/receptive penetration.

no Stevie, it was Saturday. (You could just google Blowoff)

I stayed for about 80 minutes, which is quite a long time for, y'know, that faggot dance crap. I'd estimate only about a third of the crowd would qualify as "genuine" bears. There was a blondish "otter," maybe around 30, with a fauxhawk, which is a horris mix of styles.

^horriD

if i ever have another DJ night i AM so calling it "faggot dance crap"

i meant to capitalize SO and not AM in that statement

hee

i fear that my newfound romance is hardly as compelling to hear as my previous exploits, and I don't want to get my sighs and swoons all over the gay thread and bore all of ya...

that said, it's awesome. when we met on saturday for our date, we both had flowers for each other. :D :D :D

hahahaha that's adorrrrrrrrrable

collective AWWWWWWWWWW. did you plant them in each other?

omg

haha, no.

Feel free to tell us about it. I'll still go AWWWWW.

Even though you're both obviously way outside the bounds of faggy.

Next time you'll tell us that you shared a spaghetti string.

seriously: we so queer we cause all gaydar to malfunction within a 3 block radius. showing up to noise shows as a gay couple still somehow manages to turn some pretentiously "subversive" heads. pssh.

oh feedbackpaws.

I don't want to get my sighs and swoons all over the gay thread and bore all of ya...

Yeah, we read this thread for the brutal, anonymous fucking and fisting, often with up to 750 partners at once. None of your faux-breeder romance crap thanx :)

24 m ny br br 5 11 140 lbs

"br br" = it's cold in here?

Surmounter knows perfectly well what statistic he didn't include.

That was the 11, no?

33 m uk bd gr 6 0 more than acceptable 180

Do I even want to know what "bd" is a drawing of? I don't recall you wearing glasses.

Dude I don't even know how this gay slang works, I am improvising!

(I guessed "br br" meant brown hair brown eyes, so work from that)

(It did mean that.)

It's like rhyming slang, except instead of rhyming, there's fucking.

Nice, apart from the "it has to be a dude" bit.

You might be surprised at the options.

o_O

=P

i feel a strong urge to not think

tonight i was prompted for a list of birthday resolutions

one of them was "a companion"

:x

happy birthday ih!

happy Birthday!

oof. thx! still hungover, a li'l

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22faggotry+knows+no+bounds%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Results 1 - 10 of about 215 for "faggotry knows no bounds".

I bet your faggotry knows no bounds (no joke).

Way to go DA, your stupid faggotry knows no bounds. All right enough with my ranting.

COUNTDOWN TO MADONNA-RAMA...and the faggotry knows no bounds.

jolie anniversaire!

Happy birthday!

Jesus...I've been completely not reading shit today.

Happy birthday!

yeah happy birfday

mrrrraaaaow

heated up coffee YUMMERS

Hi

I meant to ask harlot if he eluded the big Mr. Black bust.

Just recently I found out what 'edging' means. Not as BDSM as I imagined (in fact not at all).

What does it mean?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=edging

Oh. I guess I sort of knew that.

mr. black bust? (my friend was there this past weekend but he didn't mention anything)

bday drinks were had at the decidedly non-gay dba

It was Lavor Day wkend:

http://gawker.com/news/drug-dens/gay-club-mr-black-really-not-a-coked+up-drug-haven-299123.php

"Edging" sounds like an activity that does not need its own word. It's not as hip and cool as all that. Fun, sure, but not so that it's needs a new word.

Besides, edging is something your dad does to the sidewalk.

I believe edging became popular in a certain context where it was a common enough activity -- online naughty chatting -- that it deserved its own word. It sounds more purposeful than "I'm spending a good fraction of the day vaguely jerking off".

OMG CASUISTRY OTM

cuz i do that sometimes, you know the latter, but i never like termed it

someone explain the mr. black bust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

guys hi

I've been OTM often enough on this board, but this is the first time it was in all caps. And look what it was for. Sigh.

hahahahaha

well i was thinking the same thing! it's totally a naughty online code annoying thing, that just means

i'm jerking off all fucking night

I just realized that I haven't edged or vaguely jerked off all day or night for a long time. This could be due to age or having other/better things to do or some combination.

u know, it's a very bizarre activity.

wait, doesn't the current use of "edging" imply someone else is, y'know, WITH you?

no!

It's not a tantric Sting thing, no.

look up "edge" on xtube.

I imagine "edging" as a utilitarian activity. Jerk off now, and later have a huge porno cumshot. Feel impressed with yourself.

kenan OTM

UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE NO MORE THAN 2 MINUTE WANKS, AREN'T YOU GOING TO BE EDGING PRETTY MUCH DAILY?

(caps not intended but fuck it)

well, i think u have to determine the cutoff of the edge.

i mean, when does it become edging -- after half an hour? twenty minutes?

ppl use "edging" in personal ads, so it's not always solo

It's a continuum, but there are times when I hurtle right past the edge and move on with my life. But there is a difference between spending 5 minutes at a rolling boil and spending 30.

Probably the greater difference is whether you're doing it intentionally--whether you're going "oh man...I almost just fell off the edge there! gotta back off!"

it's edging if it makes your next piss hell of foamy

i don't have any idea what you're talking about. huh??

o_O

"Retrograde ejaculation occurs when semen enters the bladder instead of emerging through the penis during orgasm. Retrograde ejaculation isn't harmful. But it can impair fertility."

when you're jerking off, you're continually producing seminal fluid. so if you don't spray that shit out for a long time, it backs up into the bladder. ergo, your piss is slightly more viscous, ergo, your piss makes foamy bubbles in the toilet.

I have never noticed foamy urine, but I could see that happening. You'd have to be *really* close to the edge, though. Foamy urine often means there's protein in it.

Gross. Ewww. Blech.

xpost Ok but is that edging? I thought it meant not just a long wank, but bringing yourself to the edge, then stopping altogether and having a sandwich or something, knowing you'll have a giant rubbery one later (either by yourself or with the object of your goo).

the object of your goo the object of your goo the object of your goo the object of your goo the object of your goo the object of your goo the object of your goo the object of your goo the object of your goo the object of your goo the object of your goo the object of your goo

Edging (I think) is keeping going--no sandwiches unless you are turned on by them.

You'd have to be *really* close to the edge

right, it's called edging. not just sort of close, not very close, but omg-if-someone-so-much-as-breathes-on-my-neck-i'm-gonna-explode close

ie, more trouble than it's worth.

whatever floats yr dinghy

I'm going to give up edging for lent next year. It will take some self control, but I know I can do it.

Except I've heard people describe what they're doing as "edging", and it seems that they're just lightly masturbating for a few hours, not actually being at the edge of anything.

that's just indecisiveness

mm.

I love you fags. Have a good weekend.

seconded!

it's fall

Yes, it sure is!

This whole 9-5 thing is weird. I'm not used to having my weekend on the actual weekend. I'm staying in tonight--too much input in the past 24 hours.

I ventured back into gay.com.

The bots have taken control of that world.

Some guy IMed me and told me about gayboi.org

Apparently I am too fucked up to figure out the words on the page, but it sounds like a good hack.

fall means CARDIGANS

(not the band, the item of clothing)

I still want to see Jesse's gay.com profile.

cardigans!

and scarves

YOU MAY NOT SEE MY GAY.COM PROFILE.

only just heard!

http://gawker.com/news/end-times/new-yorks-oldest-nastiest-gay-hooker-bar-closed-294586.php

wow, i've never even heard of this place

(/gen-x)

One of the students who works at the college campus came out to me an hour ago. This is a kid who eats double Whoppers every day, wears baggy anime shirts and blue-tinted sunglasses, and is named "Ben Badger."

xpost re Julius'

Oh man, that sucks. I loved that place. After a concert we had our Matm0s "afterparty" there, and they served these really abject cheeseburgers and there cheap beers and trolls and chickenhawks and trade loitering about. I'm kind of not surprised that it didn't make the cut given the direction Manhattan is going, but all the same . . . . RIP.

there were, even

I popped in there that night (for the last time), Drew -- but hstencil didn't show, and I was too embarrassed to penetrate yr coterie (lol) and say "Hi, I'm someone you don't hardly know from the internet!"

Even I could feel like chickenmeat there.

Aw, you should have penetrated my coterie! They're a garrulous, boozy crew. We will be back in NYC playing at the Stone in February (I think) so maybe we'll have to find the next best low down gay dive bar and put things right. For my sins, I live in Baltimore now which has heaps of sketchy dive bars. Creating a "ramshackle and hazardous" atmosphere is something of a local specialty.

yeah, I've never gotten to Fells Point (or wherever Diveland moved to once FP was cleaned up)... just Orioles games.

There is a monthly party called Spit (at Uncle Ming's bar) on Ave B which sounds like one of Manhattan's last bastions of fag decadence. They had their annual armpit stench contest there in August.

uncle ming's is so awful

man, half of my posts on these threads are just me talking shit about various bars, i've realized

awful in the right ways? I haven't been, but might go this Wed.

awful in a crammed-with-striped-shirt-barely-legal-to-drink-nyu-juniors sort of way

it might be better on weeknights, as is usually the case w/ these things

for when surmounter eventually gets to this thread: oh hai i was in ur BAM last night watching ur yugoslav art filmz

oooh, I should get to one of those pre-W.R. Makavejevs

srsly, no bounds at all
http://blog.lib.umn.edu/raim0007/wost3307/melon.jpg

http://blog.lib.umn.edu/raim0007/wost3307/melon.jpg

-- Jesse, Thursday, September 20, 2007 10:52 PM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

UGH. I'm so sorry everyone.

NSFW.

I got home drunk and was indulging my Lepore obsession.......

http://s40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/allocryptic/?action=view¤t=GetAttachment.aspx.jpg

:D :D :D

Drew, we were wondering on the Chicago thread what you meant by "party":

http://static.last.fm/coverart/300x300/145604.jpg

oops! this was the squee image i was trying to post

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/allocryptic/GetAttachment.aspx.jpg

Fuck that's a beard. You like that kind of thing?

(I mean on him, yours doesn't grow so convincingly ;P)

omigod very hot

xpost-

The title is blatant ripoff of the title of the first house record that I owned while in highschool, Royal House's "Can You Party?" and . . .

it is also a crystal meth reference, since "partying, must share expenses" and similar personal sex ad lingo tends to refer to tweekers. Since my band name is itself a tweeker reference I thought I ought to continue.

But soon The Soft Pink Truth is going to mutate into The Soft Pink Tube.

oh hey i remember this thread!

Drew you should come play a basement show in New Brunswick, NJ because that's where I live.

I am confused. What happened?

hi stevie, long time! hi everyone long time (ilx time that is).

glad u were in the area joe :-) i live right up the street next time we should get a coffee. or not because that would be weird. or it wouldn't. 'nite i'm too tired to think.

haha dave and i were talking about you earlier! we went to see another movie there tonight. and i for one am never averse to coffee!

Twenty-eight teams and about 480 players from Europe, Iceland, Australia, South America, the US and Canada descended on Buenos Aires at the weekend for the annual Gay World Cup, the first played in Latin America.

A decade-old championship run by the International Gay and Lesbian Football Association (IGLFA), this year's cup combines Argentina's love of the sport with Buenos Aires's arrival as a top gay travel destination.

The event will kick off today on six refurbished fields in the city's Parque Sarmiento. "It's got kind of a Mediterranean feel," said Bill White, 45, a Southwark Council employee and backup forward for the defending cup champions Stonewall FC. "They seem quite happy to have us. We have a little novelty value. But there's no raised eyebrows or scowls."

Buenos Aires has emerged as a gay destination through a mixture of planning and luck. An active nightlife and arts scene, a gay-friendly atmosphere signified by the city's 2002 approval of South America's first domestic partner law, and bargain prices caused by the 2002 peso devaluation put it on the gay travel map.

The Buenos Aires municipal website sells the concept of a gay-friendly city, where gay people are accepted but there are no "gay ghettos" like London's Soho or San Francisco's Castro district. "In Buenos Aires you can get European experience but at one-third the price," says Carlos Melia, founder of Pride Travel, the self-proclaimed first gay travel agency in Argentina. "And it's mixed. We don't have a gay neighbourhood."

According to a 2006 survey by Alfacrux, a tourism marketing consultancy headed by Hernán Lombardi, the national minister of tourism under former Argentine President Fernando de la Rúa, about 450,000 gay tourists come to Buenos Aires each year, 15% of the total.

"It seemed like a dream to bring the championship to a Latin American city, especially to Buenos Aires where football is so important," says Norberto Selasco, the Buenos Aires-born marketing director of the IGLFA.

dave's a sweetie... mm, i need some coffee now, maybe decaf ; )

my neck hurts.

Why has the gay thread been so dead lately?

My neck hurts like crazy. My trainer did it to me. Not in a sexy way.

Oh, speaking of my trainer, he is going to start giving me rides to the gym! This week I have appointments at 6 am and 7 am, and both are his first of the day, so he will be swinging by to pick me up. Exciting, no?

my gay life has been pretty dead for awhile now, so...

that is very exciting jesse.

ugh i hate neck pains. i used to love sleeping on 2 pillows and i had to fuckin give it up cuz of the neck. and posture's just hard, to keep up.

i'm always like stretchin and swayin at work, my coworkers think i'm crazy, but i have to keep my limbs moving

i'm off 2day! and it's sooooooooo nice out

it should really be lke this all the time. perfectly gorgeous and sunny but with a nice breeze and more nippy than warm. i just love that.

Last night I hooked up with this guy http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/food/chi-mxa0926eatcovertexassep26,0,7203650.story
and together we fondled a Lutheran minster's privates.

wwow

"all-embracing and involving"

You hooked up with a food critic? Tasteless.

me: here i am
why does your head hurt?
what did you do last night?

Jesse: drank
fucked a dude
touched a minister

me: where?

Jesse: his dick
and balls

me: NO you ahole - where did you drink?

-- Jenny, Friday, September 28, 2007 1:49 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Jesse, start sharing.

Sometimes the sphincter reminds me of calamari rings.

who's the Lutheran?

friend of the food and wine critic.

we want the WHOLE STORY. SPILL IT OR GO HOME.

Sometimes the sphincter reminds me of calamari rings.

http://www.louisvillehotbytes.com/rings.jpg

I went to a bar, the Anvil. A REEEEALLLY drunk guy hit on me and bought me drinks. He was a sloppy, sloppy mess. I met a paralegal who was very informative. I went to Big Chicks. Met the food/wine guy. Met his friend, the minister. F/W guy said, "touch his balls" so we both did. I did things to the F/W guy's calamari.

If I'm not mistaken, what you get at White Castle are sphincters.

depending on the time of night, they taste like sphincters too.

Wow, vodka and tonic is totally taking away all my stresses and making me feel very affectionate. So I wanted to say - you guys are alright.

Nice going Jesse - sounds like you had just the kind of fantastic, carefree fun that you just don't get in a 5-year hetero relationship :)

Homos really are the future of the race.

You heteros probably don't get the kind of hangover I've got right now then....

I really wish we had some epic cursive script so I could write Rimjob all wedding-invite styles.

The Critic, The Lutheran – A Homo and His Lover

Was there something particularly noteworthy about the minister's testicles?

They were on a minister.

A surprising percentage of ministers have balls. You might be surprised at the percentage of ball-holding ministers. It is not as many as it used to be, but still you would be surprised at the ratio of ministers with balls to total ministers.

Longtime readers of the gay threads who are hungry for closure might remember that sometime near the start of the original thread I was supposed to go to a board game night and meet someone who was supposed to be my type. Last night was another game night and this time we both were there, and indeed he was a good egg and we had some good conversation (and nothing further).

But now apparently he's leaving town in a few months.

Well, that's how it goes, I guess.

"a few months"! such a planner, you are.

went to sugarland (formerly capone's) last night. it was fun, despite lack of free pizza. it's kind of club-by so don't think it would get the Morbius Seal of Approval or anything, but i was content w/ knife remixes + cute dudes + $1 shots

What do you mean, Morbs? He mentioned that he's moving to New York in a few months. You can imagine how that could have come in conversation without me wheedling it out of him.

I don't know how Gawker got to be so full of shit, but I walked past Julius' yesterday and IT IS NOT CLOSED!!! We should have a NY fagfap there sometime, stealing Matmos' idea.

Also, since almost everyone on ILM ignored it ... '80s/90s club/fagrock legend Dean Johnson died:

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/10/dean-johnson-10.html

(I love Mark Allen)

http://gawker.com/news/and-now-hes-dead/dean-johnson-dead-at-45-305502.php

haha, Cas, I just meant you can get a lot done in "a few months."

I could if he checked his damn e-mail more often.

Jesse, speaking of the Lutheran minister, I was at Scot's the other night (right around the corner from my new place) and four older (50s-ish) gentlemen walked in wearing a variety of religious apparel -- one was in a Catholic clerical collar, another had on a scarlet button-up shirt with an ostentatious cross hanging around his neck, etc. I was trying to figure out whether these were actually clergymen or just dudes in costume.

If I ever dress for Halloween again (rather unlikely), it would be as an exorcist.

Huh. I wonder John.

One time I saw a Unitarian minister wearing a Froot Loops rosary.

(I think he had balls!)

I had a dream last night that I was watching two short films. Actually, I was watching one -- this B&W experimental film about a Japanese princess -- but I kept getting distracted by the other, which was a sumptuous, romanticized, and somewhat campy story of war, made by and starring Elmo.

Elmo?

http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/how-elmo-works-1.jpg

QUESTION.

Does the Open Your Heart that aired on MTV etc have the subtitles in it or is that something that was added to the version I just saw on Youtube?

I thought I had seen the video, bit I had not. True Blue is the only Madonna album I will ever love. Saying I love anything about Madonna hurts me in the feelings area.

Also, some homoupdates.

1. I think at some point I told you about a server at a gay bar/restaurant near me who gave me his number. Well, I never used it, but I'm in there a lot, so this last visit I got it again and this time I did use it. We're going to go out to "discuss splitting custody of a doggie." He is A.DOR.A.BLE. He's beautiful--slightly taller, really sweet, full beard (neatly trimmed) and cute perky nose. He's more gay-acting than I normally like, but with him it's OK.

2. I hooked up with a bi guy last night. He was hot but had one of the usual bi issues--he would not give head. Now I can do without getting head, but hearing "oh, sorry, I don't do that" is fucking annoying.

I made the most of it and we had fun, but I would not have done it if I had known he was bi.

But to be fair, I wonder if I'm maybe conflating bi-ness with selfish lovers. On the other hand, if I am it is due to a learning from experience.

Oh, and I learned he was bi by asking him if he was when he told me "I don't do that."

1. I think at some point I told you about a server at a gay bar/restaurant near me who gave me his number. Well, I never used it, but I'm in there a lot, so this last visit I got it again and this time I did use it. We're going to go out to "discuss splitting custody of a doggie." He is A.DOR.A.BLE. He's beautiful--slightly taller, really sweet, full beard (neatly trimmed) and cute perky nose. He's more gay-acting than I normally like, but with him it's OK.

I have a good feeling about this fag. He's wicked cute and me and Jesse never ever agree on dudes. Jesse likes date rapists.

Wait to complete that thought - be we both agree w/r/t the adorableness of this particular fella. He's smrt and nice, too.

I want a girl to tell me she and I don't agree on dudes. I then want her to say I prefer straight men.

I like straight-ish guys. Jenny calls them date-rapists.

Whoa. xpost.

I'm spreading this. Not that people are unaware of it. But I haven't seen it since it originally aired in '94. http://youtube.com/watch?v=cRSP5ZUmxP8

Madonna is way way way off her game.

haha!

to pursue. which.

http://photos-175.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v133/202/90/1334760175/n1334760175_30230176_2850.jpg

OR

http://photos-321.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v142/184/108/1380870321/n1380870321_30084745_9196.jpg

hope those pics work?

He was hot but had one of the usual bi issues--he would not give head. Now I can do without getting head, but hearing "oh, sorry, I don't do that" is fucking annoying.

That's one of the "usual bi issues"? I don't get that at all. Why even be bi if you don't like sucking cock?

xpost Both are cute, Table. I am more intrigued by the second, though. He looks a little like Yanc3y, maybe?

The first photo, obviously.

I'm confused by this "bi issue." Not giving head means you're bi?

I say pursue #1.

John- bi guys in my experience have hang-ups and the ones I've been with have very often enjoyed receiving head and this and that but haven't been interested in giving much pleasure.

But then there is the big exception, my BF of 4+ years who was mildly into girls and who was all about being an attentive partner. And of course you.

So this is why generalizations are a touchy area, b/c of the big fat exceptions.

(I think Dan Savage has delivered some negative opinions on "bi" guys--guys who are into women but who use gay men to get BJs.)

xpost-- once it was clear that any head that was happening would be only the head I was giving, I thought "A-HA! I've seen this before [with bi guys]" and that's when I asked him. And I was correct in my suspicions.

oh man did i make a spectacle out of myself at sugarland on saturday night

also a guy bought me a beer after pretending to lose one of his contact lenses on the dancefloor (i helped him look for it)

he then proceeded to tell me a tasteless abortion joke and refused to tip the bartender because his vodka tonic was "too green-looking"

Nice. The abortion joke might have lured me in, but the other things are douchey.

how do you find a contact lens on the dance floor?

as i was crouching down on the floor: "dude, i've never lost a lens in my life, i just wanted to talk to you guys"

alright, here's things about them:

#1: cute, superstar tennis player (in fantastic shape, thus), former cocaine addict (yikes), smart but not particularly 'intellectual,' very fun to hang out with, a little bit too fey for me. but he's bored of his current guy, says a friend.

#2: crazy amazing eyes, good smile and build, has amazing taste in music for an 18 year old, intellectual with a sense of humor... don't know as much about him. but i like him.

and which def of yancey?

Open Door #1, no question.

I say #1 (but since I'm not gay the facial hair thing is a def downside)

#2 looks sort of like he might taste like dust. And like his pubes might be out of control and cause gagging.

Smart but not particularly 'intellectual,' very fun to hang out with are huge pluses, and if he's got a huge plus, even better.

number 1 seems prettier, more like cutesy -- but number 2 looks like might surprise you, in various ways...

go for both

#2 looks skeptical of the very idea of hair gel.

altho i rly might go for 1 based on tennis alone. play hours of tennis and then relax

would be nice

where'd you meet these guys anyway? #2 looks like might have seen tennis on TV, once.

lol again he might SURPRISE u though.

he does seem like he might be worth the scruff. i mean he has interesting eyes, like he could play you a really good CD and talk to you in such a way that would make you feel very warm.

I try to focus on his eyes (which are nice) but I keep thinking I smell indie-kid b.o.

he's very scarfy

scarfy might be a good way of putting it.

fabricky in general

well, #2 is i guess more in future pursuit anyway. #1 i have a bit more of.

congrats, good find

that smirk is way cute

Yanc3y = some dude who used to post on ILX. Although I'm looking at Y's Flickr page now, and I don't think they look very much alike at all anymore. A similar koala-like look, maybe.

do koalas have B.O.?

based on table's two descriptions, i'd easily have gone with #2

(tho i'd gently ask him to maybe get a haircut first)

corny indie fuck lololololololol

#2 looks like he sweats Wolf Eyes records.

lol alfred you're getting such a kick.

i dunno it's really tough, i woulda been completely intrigued by both and again i really don't know that i would have forced myself to choose

I would have gone with #1 until I found out about the tennis thing. #2 would be more interesting to see naked anyways, but he looks like a dull lay.

How would #2 be more interesting naked??? He looks like he might have a good chance of looking like play do rolled on a barber shop floor.

he did say "nice build"

lol the tennis thing = a bad thing??!

don't ppl just date anymore?

ok this is now gayLX "am i hot or not" isn't it

looking like play do rolled on a barber shop floor.

that's.......awful

i think if someone were trying to sell me on a friend of theirs and mentioned the tennis thing i'd be sort of WHTVS. objectively it isn't really so bad tho

what??? what do ppl have against tennis jocks? so hot to me. hello mr. federer

i'm an avid tennis player/watcher

watching the boys play at the park = good wknd

also there's nothing like playing a sport with the one u want

I don't like jocks of any stripe. I thought we had gone over this. Musculature is pretty much my #1 turn-off, probably only surpassed by not having a penis.

He looks like he might have a good chance of looking like play do rolled on a barber shop floor.

How is that not interesting? Might or might not be sexy, but at least it's interesting.

tennis >>>>> indie

well, i think you can be a tennis jock and not be uber macho. jock to me can just mean someone fervently dedicated to a sport.

alfred yess

I keep staring at Scarfy.

the vast preponderance of pro jocks = egomaniacal headcases?

18yo is enough for me to reject #2, unless you're within 5-6 years of his age of course.

Musculature is pretty much my #1 turn-off

Casuistry: still technically gay!

oh MUSC of course i saw MASC

okay i don't like a LOT of muscle but some is niiiice

masculature?

haha yup, i MADE IT UP OKAY??

hey joe i saw sasha this wknd for our cuz's wedding. she and i were talkin boutya. she's so pretty now!

I will take masculine vascularity over crepuscular musculature

i saw her not too recently myself, her and her roommate had a party after returning from china. she does have really striking eyes

also i may be at BAM tonight for cranes are flying

she does.

she's having a halloween party on the 27th!

ooh fun tonight, by yourself?

i was going to call dave actually!

(you should see it too! it's one of my favorites)

anyway back on topic: mild-to-moderate flab >>>>>>>> musculature

the vast preponderance of pro jocks = egomaniacal headcases?

"pro jock" /= anti-indie

They both look like hippies.

mild flab is good, moderate flab better under a button-down...

I love looking at muscles, but being that on any online profiles I am solidly in the "average" category (even with dedicated working out) I feel a little out of my element with a muscley guy. Unless he's that 1950s muscley where he still has a little fat on top of the muscles. Also known as Chicago Muscley.

I LIKE BOYZ WHO WEAR ABERCROMBIE & FITCH

I am not taking a position on flab, being a middle-aged beer drinker.

HA

yes alfred

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03_02/AbercrombieDM1903_400x501.jpg

joe, have you seen Letter Never Sent? might try to squeeze that in tom'w

i saw the Birds here a week ago it was so much fun

los pajaros?

uh oh morbz:

The Letter Never Sent (Neotprav-Lennoye Pismo) (1959) 97min
Thu, Oct 11 at 6:50pm*
*Please note that all scheduled screenings of The Letter Never Sent that appeared on the printed calendar (except for the 6:50pm screening on Thu, Oct 11) have been replaced with The Cranes Are Flying

in terms of the jock thing, i have no problem with jocks. i have problems with shitheads. tennis boy is not a shithead.

and thx for feedback...

(btw, i am 23. tennis boy is 19, skinny shag kid is 18. )

oh also, i can deal with some amount of flab. but i'm much more a fan of trim-to-skinny guys.

well, as was I at 23. Shag away, then!

i like skinny fine but TONED beats

tabes you gotta keep us updated and take more pix of u in them too, k?

omg i'm watching this Bare Minerals instructional tape that comes with the powder

it's really hilariuos i could watch infomercials all night for kicks

and now the Comeback is on. i'm tired though. this whole month has been tiring. like september into this month. i need some time. except i have plans on wed night. which is fine but tomorrow night is going to be really fucking HOT, so i can't even sit here and work on music, it'll just be too stifling. i'm just in a weird mood, i've been in one, just kind of like going. going, without much of a second thought about it. good and bad.

yeah.

Tonight turned BEAUTIFUL! It's about 65 and windy.

So, some advice:

I called [the guy who my friend Jenny calls] Beardbutt and he called me and then I called him this afternoon. All interactions have been voicemails. I am a regular at his workplace.

Given these facts, and considering that I just worked out and am still kind of on a Red Bull and gym high, is it an act of stalking for me to go have a nightcap at the bar where he may or may not be working?

Or should I just take a sleeping pill and red my paralegal book?

You should masturbate.

that's hardly stalking. you just thirsty.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/03_02/AbercrombieDM1903_400x501.jpg

I could not look at that at work, but DAY-UM. I fucking love a ripply strong-looking back. Much more than pecs or the usual showy muscles.

Wouldn't you agree that sometimes at least, the most fun parts of the body are those the "extras"--not the ass, legs, chest, but the shoulders, deltoids, back, and even wrists. (Not just talking about musculature.)

Or should I just take a sleeping pill and red my paralegal book?

So it seems I'm thinking RED. What was that one again?

Morpheus offers Neo two pills. The red pill will answer the question "what is the Matrix?" (by removing him from it) and the blue pill simply for life to carry on as before.

Well. That may be a lovely sign from the Great Whatever, but I already took the white pill and should be winding down soon.

i really like a nice back, too. and clavicle.

Interesting. Jeff mentioned the clavicle on the Favorite Body Part thread.

I think they're pretty nice too.

In other news, I saw another group of indie gays who I wanted to hang out with. Seeing them was sort of hard as it made me feel lonely and like an outsider. They were going to some rock show. :-/

the most fun parts of the body are those the "extras"

A good back-of-the-neck and I'm yours for life, or at least 3 dates.

i like legs

and btw Yah i thought today was supposed to be another hot one before the cold spell, but it's shapin up gusty and chilly so far! i'm friggin in heaven

Fingers and calves...mmm. I'm no vegetarian.

calves ya. calves in sneakers without socks.

oh yes.

it's supposed to drop down into the 60s for the remainder of the week i think (and also be rainy and damp)

sneakers w/o sox OH YEAH

denim cutoffs w/ tube sox, FUCK

hehe ;-)

yes the upcoming weather is making me very happy

tube sox mhmm

they're quite ridiculous on most, but the right guy can pull it off.

what are "indie gays"? ppl who don't know what The Comeback is?

The Comeback is the shiz

my bf can pull of the tubes. i can alone, in my house.

so i'm an indie gay then? glad that got sorted out

Apparently I am an indie gay as well.

I got this haircut yesterday and the haircutress was talking about how she was thinking of getting a mohawk and I was trying to be supportive of her in this and then I got my ridiculously boring haircut and there was this weird tension and I felt like I was doing the "well I don't have an interesting haircut because that's not my style but I'm down with other people having them" thing, which felt like the "I'm still cool" thing, and she was doing the "there's a certain art in getting a boring haircut done right", which felt like the "I have artistic integrity in this my chosen medium" thing, and it was all awkward.

Anyway I think my haircut is too boring for me to be an indie gay, is my point.

http://popbytes.com/img/comeback-lisanomination.jpg

lol cas. my hair cut has been getting SLIGHTLY less boring with time. but i'm REALLY excited cuz i recently had realization that a much punkier cut would suit me much better, so i'm slowly working my way to word a more punky look.

i need another piercing.

I look like Alex P. Keaton crossed with Bryan Ferry.

I just stick with bedhead, long or short.

mhmm. certain hathead days make me look hot like no othea

i think i'm getting a haircut this week. i always look forward to them considering there will likely be a point soon when i won't actually have hair to cut

come now.

u should get it dyed

I don't know what the Comeback is. Educate me. School me.

I will probably be getting a haircut Saturday too, and am always stuck for instructions to the barber.

i find the secret is to just TALK. never keep your mouth or eyes shut. i used to close my eyes during a haircut and then i realized how stupid it is. you have to have the gumption to be like NO STOP THAT LOOKS BAD.

i even wrote a song about it, called Off The Top -- "open your eyes -- you don't want to catch her making a bad move."

The Comeback was a HILARIOUS short lived (one season) show about Valerie Cherish played by Lisa Kudrow, a struggling and incredibly corny/funny/laughable actress in Hollywood.

kudrow kicks a

Dear Haircuttress: You are the professional; you should know what to do. I do not need to be a backseat driver. Yr friend, Cas.

haha DANGER i'm tellin you! altho sometimes that works out the best.

I cannot tell if a mistake has been made until I get home.

Who knows what a haircut looks like until three days later. It's like amateur chicken sexing.

What the hell does that even mean?

chicken-sexing?

the fact that i know what that is is what is so surprising right now.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_sexer

i have this weird thing, where i ALWAYS have to warn the person not to take too much off the sides. see, cuz what they like to do, which is ridiculous, is like get the sides ALL close, and then leave this tuft on the top so i look like a building!

this haircut currently i'm afraid IS a little tall, but it's JUST on the borderline. so it looks kind of like straight biker boy thing. i dunno...

there's a cute guy working down here in the processing area (for a separate archives). he's sort of shaggy and beardy which goes against my better judgment but he has a kind of sweet, raspy voice which is usually drowned out by my ipod. i'm kind of a sucker for the hirsute/fey contrast i guess.

i like raspy

raspy scruffy

When you say "fey" what are you saying exactly?

http://www.musicspectrum.org/uploaded_images/MorrisseyOnGrass-785551.jpg

Oh my.

Really?

whatever that is i'd try it

I first heard "fey" in the late eighties, and Morrissey was always on the, er, receiving end.

morrissey is fey?

well, he's fat now.

Does anyone actually prefer femme guys? I guess somebody must.

Actually now that I am thinking about it I remember talking to a professor who was saying that he thought that femme-ness was really cute.

Not particularly, yet two guys I dated (OK, one was a boyfriend) later castigated me for breaking up with them BECAUSE they were femmes.

i used to hate it but now i find do find it cute, and can find it hott, even tho masc is hottt

but yea generally if i like it, it's cuz i find it cute in that kitty way, snugglable

Did you in fact break up with them b/c they were femme?

LOL the reason I know I'm not gay is the only men who ever seem attractive at all are basically the ones who look like girls :)

Did you in fact break up with them b/c they were femme?

We broke up because I wasn't attracted to them. It didn't help that they were femme, no.

I have a much higher threshold of tolerance for the femmes these days. Is it b/c I'm desperate or more accepting of my fellow human beings? I don't know. But it used to be that I would not consider a man dateable unless he showed approximately the masculinity of a oil rig roughneck or John Wayne.

Thus the rednecks in my life.

no it's neither -- it's like food, or wine

that when you're younger you don't like but then you grow older, and you become habituated to all the other stuff you used to like and need something a little different

My abiding favorite is the neutral guy. They are usually straight though.

fey as used in my last post = hint of femme in timbre of voice

he's not really mincing per se. hey, now i'm back from lunch, where'd he go?

Mm, sweet sweet neutral.

"neutral" just makes me hear Buddy Cole saying "the porridge Goldilocks chose"

And isn't that a nice sketch to be reminded of on such an overcast day?

I am sofa king happy with the weather in Chicago I could go roll around in the grass.

OH! Speaking of which, I am going to take the office dog for a walk.

plz to post pic of office dog?

i like some femme guys. others-- not so much. kind of hard to throw the blanket over all of 'em.

i've been listening to robyn's konichiwa bitches all day and didn't know where else to post that fact. hi.

i was mentally pitting robyn's "show me love" v. robin s' "show me love" against each other in my head this morning while buying coffee

(robin s. won)

Hmm. No pics of office dog. She's an old German shep/golden retriever mix. She has a goiter thing on her neck.

i've never seen such a mix.

and i love german shepherd AND golden retrievers. among the only dog breeds i sort of love unconditionally.

i had a friend i was in love with when i was 17:
he had a german shepherd that weighed more than i did. (i still am nowhere near this mark).
we're talking 150 pounds.
his name is Buck (he's still alive).

he used to fetch gigantic logs.

also i should not be on internet. good night.

I used to not weigh 150 pounds. A few decades ago.

Also, happy National Coming Out Day? There was an event on campus, wherein they had set up a sort-of tent and marked it a "closet" that I guess they were inviting people to "come out of" and there was a large man dressed in a tight fairy costume, wings and pink tights and all, and also there was a DJ with only the most tired hits, such as "I'm Coming Out" and "We Are Family" and the like, and while I don't have anything against any of those things individually, it seems like once again a conflation of "gay culture" and "being gay", and like a chance for the gay people in the gay club to have their party on the quad, which is fine in and of itself, except that it seems like it might turn off the very people who they should be reaching out to the most: people who are coming from places where it is difficult to be gay, and where they might need to have a place to deal with being gay without having to feel an obligation to mainstream gay culture, which they shouldn't ever necessarily need to be a part of.

Vent, vent vent.

I 2nd that emotion Chris.

Don't even talk to me about it, Chris: my university division programmed National Coming Out Day. The general attitude was, "Be gay today! Awesome! Then keep quiet when we talk about our husbands and wives!"

urgh.

but here's what's interesting: there was nothing at oberlin today about coming out, and i've always seen stuff in the past.

i would expect a bit more? i mean, we have fucking drag ball.

http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v12/27/50/4303342/n4303342_30121890_8700.jpg

i guess, though, that we're all so faggoty that there's really no issue.

You're at Oberlin?

My, uh, high school girlfriend teaches there, is all. I haven't been in touch with her for many years, though.

yeah. i am a fifth year, final semester.

also, a little story about the boy above:

i am in a hostel bar in poland. i had been ogling this boy for weeks, and finally i am able to pull up a stool to wait for drinks with him. we introduce, and somehow it comes up that he will be a freshman at oberlin in the fall. i nearly drop my drink. i have to look at you for the next three years? agony.

anyway, we have been friends ever since. he understands that everyone wants to fuck him (and he has long-time girl) so he treats everyone equally.

let's see his face

Kenan found us this. It's a 10 on the funny scale. Knocked Up deleted scene re. Brokeback Mtn. http://youtube.com/watch?v=A0L1tVbxj14

i'd say more a 6 on the funny scale. but my stomach for judd apatow is a bit weak.

anyway, here is a pic of that kid in the dress, with face and girlfriend to the left. what is boy like him doing with girl like that?

http://photos-253.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sf2p/v133/187/112/4303253/n4303253_30713573_6270.jpg

He looks vaguely familiar.

what is boy like him doing with girl like that?

What do you mean?

Soooo.... you know how lesbians attract men.... well.... I was wondering.... does it work the other way around?

*runs for cover*

No, actually, this is a serious question goddamit, even if it is a stupid one!

you mean gay men attracting women? (if so, cf. all slash fiction ever, for a start)

i know of a lesbian couple who write gay slash fic... but why?

Maybe they're repressed heterosexuals?

I have known some lesbians who watched gay male porn together. And separately.

I think people often watch porn that contains things they'd like to do, so maybe those lesbians would like to be men fucking other men (at least for a while).

Also, maybe they just like to see people getting each other off, but are put off het-porn by the roles of the women.

oh, i guess i just think he's dreamy. and she's nowhere near as attractive as my straight female friends.

She's as cute as he is.

The lesbians I talked to about this said that "lesbian" porn (geared toward straight men) was fakey and full of gross women. Also they didn't care to see a man fucking a woman. And finally, gay male porn was pretty passionate and genuine.

a lot of gay male porn that i've HEARD ABOUT BUT HAVE NEVER WATCHED GOODNESS NO is full of gross dudes!

She sort of looks like a certain camgirl who doesn't take off her clothes but does stuff like jump around a sprinkler in a tight bathing suit for her Internet admirers.

Ummmm..... Que?

So, getting back to my point, if me and a friend were to 'gay up', would that be a good tactic for pulling chicks or what?

...Sure.

She's as cute as he is.

jesse OTM, what the hell? are you really so gay that you can't see that the boy and his girl are definitely equally attractive? i mean i don't want to offend you but that girl is cute, i don't know how you couldn't see that.

Yeh, no offense, but she's cute and he's (crush-goggles notwithstanding) no adonis.

I forget the camgirl's name and I don't particularly want to go Googling for her at work.

Perhaps a passing bisexual could confirm my view that that couple are approximately equally attractive.

meh. i mean, i can definitely tell an attractive girl. when i say she's not attractive, tho, here is what i compare her to:

http://eeshirtay.com/images/grey01.jpg

OR

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v19/10/32/4304380/n4304380_30198579_7499.jpg

He looks somewhat like ILX's o. nate.

or
http://photos-c.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v76/63/0/4300523/n4300523_30532522_7129.jpg

or

http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v76/63/0/4300523/n4300523_30547139_4425.jpg

or
http://photos-d.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v134/100/27/4303992/n4303992_30725511_3784.jpg

every single one of those girls, other than #2, is gay, tho.

and they're all about a million times prettier than girl the boy is dating. (ps i know he's no adonis. he's just my type?)

lol college

Also, you know, personality.

Based on those photos alone, the only one who gives your rival a run for her money is #1. Maybe #2, too, if I had a straight-on view.

hey jesse, you gonna be available anytime after (my) work hours? I can... you know... give you some helmet.

I didn't mean he's unattractive, but I just think that the fact that you like him has made him seem way more attractive than the girl when to a more objective eye they are pretty much in the same league.

Kenan, you attention whore. I emailed you and then you go and sniff me out when I'm hanging out with my friends.

;)

ok, realllllly strong suspicion that i have met or at least been in the presence of #1...

xpost guilty. Sorry, I only check my gmail a couple times a day. I see you now!

(i'm almost positive the girl i'm thinking of went to oberlin also)

OK. I'm going to be in your neighborhood tomorrow around 6:30! I have a doc appointment at 6 about a mile north of you, then walking home.

oh. Tomorrow is a big work-event-thingie that I have to work. And Thursday is Julia night.

And what do you mean "in my neighborhood"? You live there!

I live in Uptown. You live in Edgewater.

so close, and yet so far away

Table, did you ever have a crush on Fred Savage?

Got to agree with the majority here. She is properly, if understatedly, cute, whereas he seems to, well, look like a preppy 14 year old with an underbite...

Man it's a pleasure to hang out in *this* bit of ILE. I'm home alone tonight - the missus is out with her bff and I'm drinking beer, contemplating poker and watching tennis. Sadly Andy Murray isn't going to get any queer pulses racing, I doubt.

I have a crush on Fred Savage now, but did not before. He is like a puppy--all eager and friendly and earnest. Plus the pics I saw of him on fourfour's blog were yum (they were pictures of his "chunk")

he's directed every episode of it's always sunny in philadelphia this season!

every single one of those girls, other than #2, is gay, tho.

you don't say! even the one with the moustache?

"A slut nixes sex in tulsa?"

my friend made a font and then gave me a shirt for my 22nd birthday with that phrase on it. then he started selling them to other people. he is here.

the model is what i would call 'best friend.'

i never had a crush on fred savage. john stamos? hell yah.

that girl looks fine!

not in the "damn you fine" kinda fine, more in the "perfectly acceptable + good" sense

basically Jesse OTM

if she's who i think she is, we were smoking cigarettes on my friend's roof in nyc at some point earlier this year. didn't really talk to her tho, and probably about three degrees of separation between us (friend of friend of friend), so unlikely she'd remember who i am at all.

also no one else thinks guy in the third pic of table's spread is kinda cute?

i would have sex with all this white peopel

I think all those girls are cute, except moustache girl

Basically no one with a moustache of that ilk, male or female (or non-binary intermediate/extrapolate), is cute.

this is a very gay (and american, and wonderful) looney tunes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVbK5VyvYX8

Were you, in fact, googling for Bugs Bunny's penis? In Portuguese?

hi ur all nice =)

sup ramz

I recently read about the "last on the El"...phenomenon/myth/gay-subculture-knowledge. Apparently the last car on the El train is supposed to be where the gays cruise. I read it in a book on Gay Chicago. Anyone else heard this?

Today I happened to find myself on the last car (not on purpose, believe me, I was in no mood whatsoever) and looked around at my fellow sardines and only saw the usual mix of people and attitudes.

I may check out the last car out of curiosity--normally I ride either the 3rd or 4th to the last or the 2nd from the front (depending on where I'm going).

I almost always ride in the last car, since it is closer to the southern exit of Addison.

And you love dong.

I almost always ride in the last car, since it is closer to the southern exit of Addison.

Should be a euphemism for something.

That whole sentence? That would be pretty awesome.

I was about to say!

"." is actually a euphemism for "And you love dong"

Except on Metafilter.

I'm going to read it that way now tho

think all those girls are cute, except moustache girl

-- Curt1s Stephens, Wednesday, October 17, 2007 1:15 AM (20 hours ago) Bookmark Link

agreed.

Hi dere. I went to the zoo yesterday, and saw tortoise sex. Sadly they were facing the other way so I couldn't tell if it was making the AWWW YEAAAAAH tortoise sex face.

yuckkkk

hey curtis ;)

i'm at work. AGAIN. um... what should i be for halloween? i'm thinking a whale, but how is that done...

ok, why are fucking whale costumes 800 dollars? what?

dress all in white, goth your skin up in white pressed power, dye hair blue & tie it in a ponytail on top of head. voila: moby dick.

i know but isn't this cute

http://www.costume-shop.com/images/products/47321.jpg

that's almost a thousand bucks!!!!

surely a whale costume is something you would want to rent, as opposed to own?

$ave for the Whale

I have been invited to a Halloween party. If I go I'll just be wearing a Metallica t-shirt and a metalhead wig.

saw tortoise sex

I once saw two chickens screwing on the lawn of a post office in Cuba.

also, i imagine it would be impossible to drink with that mask on, unless there is a secret blowhole-funnel contraption to assist

hahaha true nuf

was mandy moore's Crush a hit? i remember hearing it. just youtubed it. she's really sexy.

Some days I almost understand why gay guys seem more interested in using one another (for sex) than in, shall we say, investing in one another.

Yeah, I almost always ride in the last car, too: in the morning because it's closest to the street exit at Merchandise Mart and in the evening because it's usually the least crowded. Haven't noticed anything odd.

YOU HAVE A THREAD FOR THAT.

Not that I don't <3 you guys.

""Some days I almost understand why gay guys seem more interested in using one another (for sex) than in, shall we say, investing in one another.""

what do you mean chris? what is this in reference to?

there's this cute(maybe?) shirtless guy that cooks in his boxers all the time -- i see him out my rear window. it's fun. can't see him real well but his bod looks good. and it's just cute to see a guy cooking in his boxrs :-)

Did you break your leg and have use of a wheelchair?

no it's too bad

Oh I don't know if I have the energy to unpack that depressed little comment. It's in reference to my own frustrations, anyways, not with anything you guys have done or said.

But let's put it this way: Casual sex is relatively low-investment and low-risk (in a particular sense!) with a reasonably high short-term reward; caring about someone is high-investment, high-risk, and with rewards that take longer to accumulate but pay off more eventually (IF you beat the odds; see "high-risk"). And I suspect this is why there are social pressures to encourage people to do long-term investing. Of course, I'm using an economic metaphor, and it feels like in the actual economic world, short hit investment seems to be all the rage these days. And of course the social pressures on gay men to do "long-term investment" is nonexistent anyways.

Anyway it's a garbled metaphor and it's probably quite easy to pick apart, but it's actually meant to explain a sort of heaviness that I'm feeling these days, rather than some sort of grand statement about "the state of the economy", so to speak.

Did I make that unclear enough?

Also, bleh.

pour a scotch and think about the morning. i think i might do that actually.

as for something that might mean anything to you: caring for someone doesn't have to be high-investment or high-risk. maybe when it's not, that's when you know it's good for you.

That's maybe not the kind of caring I'm talking about.

Speaking of metafilter, your band was mentioned on metatalk.

I think you got in trouble for double posting.

i think looking at a relationship as an investment can be kind of depressing. i mean, if i felt pressured to invest in someone, i would think twice about the relationship. it should come easy -- it's supposed to be fun.

and personally, i find the reward of building a friendship/long term something with someone extremely rewarding. one time this cute guy came home with me and i was almost disappointed when it got to be all sex. i felt like i just wanted to lean back and chat with him...

yes, rewards can be rewarding ; )

that guy wa so cute.. when we got home i put on rhythm nation and he knew all the words on the album. that definitely cinched his cuteness

man oh man

all i want is to crawl back into bed with the rich young mook i woke up with.

I HATE THAT YOU HAVE SO MUCH SEX

But, I like you.