What is the MASCULINE style, for those who wish to emphasize their MACHISMO?

Aren't the two mutually exclusive?

As far as I can tell, man fashion is: collared shirt, dark sweater, sport jacket, slacks, shiny shoes. But what is the alternative?

trucker hat?

free your mind

No like if you are classy

but you are a real man

CROWN OF THORNS

fingerless string-back leather driving gloves.

nsfw

suede shearling vest.

http://artfiles.art.com/images/-/Robert-Redford---The-Natural-Photograph-C10103386.jpeg

hand-tooled ostrich leather cowboy boots.

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/0/5/2/052dae9134a231ad726a49436121fc69.jpg

invent the casual cummerbund

http://bp1.blogger.com/_qjpwnPW4c1o/RgrgmQAshsI/AAAAAAAAAuI/k50fSxe0fso/s400/Pittiscarf.jpg

Like what if you were this guy, but not a douchebag?

basically, wearing dead animal skins is pretty classic masculine fashion.

Nick, the alternative is not to wear something OTHER than pants and shirts and sweaters, it's to wear GOOD pants and shirts and sweaters. You have good enough sweaters that you'd seem to know this.

I get the feeling my question is not being taken seriously or else you do not understand the concept of FASHION

so the answer is sweaters?

http://www.nrc.nl/W2/Nieuws/2000/12/30/Vp/rambo.jpg

ok MASCULINE style is sweaters

sweaters, but with your dick hanging out of your pants

red leather

cable-knit rollneck sweater.

robert redford/nabisco otm

sweaters is never the answer

sweaters is the question

sweaters?

denim shirt with sleeves ripped off + bandana

sweaters are a good answer to frost.

It does have the word "sweat" in it.

That's pretty masculine.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/an_affair_to_remember/_group_photos/cary_grant1.jpg
http://cache.eb.com/eb/image?id=61734&rendTypeId=4
http://members.aol.com/murdoc1643/graphics/84maltcow.jpg

actually, i think a bandana or sweat band hotts up most any outfit

also "eaters"

herringbone tweed sport coat w/ calf-skin elbow patches.

http://digilander.libero.it/eva107b/3.jpg

Novelty Big Johnson shirts. That way everyone will know your dick is MUY GRANDE.

Sweaters in the winter, crop-top tank-top sweaters in the summer.

voluminous persimmon organza pantaloons with ruby-encrusted codpiece.

underwear that has a picture of a baseball bat and two baseballs that say "TWO BALLS, NO STRIKES!"

it's not about clothes, maaaan.

it's about CONFIDENCE.

and nothing gives you confidence like knowing that you're wearing funny underwear.

A bandana is never the answer. And I'm black enough to get away with wearing one and still have people assume I'm straight.

A tropical weight tuxedo and dress shirt, with the bow-tie casually undone is the true answer to the question.

A bandana worn around your neck bandito-style is beyond lame.

But if you where hanging from your back pocket it either makes you like a cowboy with a sweat rag or a gangsta with a flag. Hmm, I guess that is also a gay symbol? I've been tricked by every gangsta and cowboy I've ever seen!

"tricked"

http://bp1.blogger.com/_qjpwnPW4c1o/RgrgmQAshsI/AAAAAAAAAuI/k50fSxe0fso/s400/Pittiscarf.jpg

If this guy was wearing a bandana instead of that scarf around his neck, I would have 10 percent more respect for him.

He should also be wearing holsters and cowboy boots. It would be a hybrid preppy/cowboy look.

i think it's all about harmony, a balance of utility and panache. take michael dundee. the leather vest sans shirt with bone and tooth accessories, while perhaps de rigeur when outwitting drug lords in the outback or tossing back lager with donk, are equally at home at an upscale manhattan coctail party with that stupid bitch reporter he inexplicably has fallen for.

white suit covered in blood

So basically you don't like smart menswear, Nick, is what you're saying here? Because the scarf on that guy is maybe a little poncey/Euro by my American standards but it's also v classy really and open to re-interpretation. YOU wear scarves, I know you do, I've seen photos.

if saying no to the collared shirt, which should sometimes be said no to, but esp said no to if it does not actually fit and bloused out at the waist ugh, then maybe
nice (not cheap / well-made, nice-fiting) black t-shirt
nice (not cheap / well-made, nice-fitting) pants(no pleats)

obv the polo shirt is the collared shirt alternative... sometimes it works, i think

xp I should say: not the scarf itself, but the fact that it's worn inside the shirt-collar and tucked into the shirt-front, THAT'S the poncey/Euro part.

where's that pic that gr8080 took of the party guy in the macrame sweater and white jeans???

Where is M. White? He has the right idea.

where's that pic that gr8080 took of the party guy in the macrame sweater and white jeans???

Ha, I was looking for that myself.

Do a few weeks worth of general labor on a construction site and you'll have it down.

Yeah, I mean, step one for American men is to give up the idea that giving a shit about yr appearance is for gurls. And I'm not talking about getting MAN-icures and four kinds of face cream, either, I'm talking about basic basic UPKEEP that used to be considered simply part of being a grown-up in this world. Like owning a suit. Shining yr shoes. Getting your hair cut regularly. Thinking of your put-together-ness as a sign of respect for yourself and for all the people who see you every day. It's basic shit.

I don't really hate that guy, I just feel like that's the standard "fashionable men's look" and that it's kind of boring and everyone ends up wearing the same thing. Admittedly, that's how I dress, or aim to dress, when it's cold enough.

Maybe we need tips for jazzing up the standard collared shirt, sweater, slacks, shiny shoes combo. Like a fun belt!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol you r gayh

prob true (re: working on a construction site)
black t-shirt obv works better with pecs, will admit...
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i think also that a lot of men get really focused on the shirt and forget that a really nice/interesting pair of pants (trousers) can be ultimate style. women do this all the time - awesome skirt/pants with plain, though nice top. i am taking this question too seriously prob.
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lol fun belts!

do what I do -- turn grooming and maintenance into a nervous habit.

betcha my nails are more trimmed than yours.

pith helmet

betcha my nails are more trimmed than yours

seeing as how I bite my nails and play guitar, you are probably correct.

GUN BELT

I am going to get a tshirt made that says "TOO FAT FOR FASHION."

yeah, gun belt is a good idea. I will go to army surplus.

collared greens with ham ascot

http://www.nullstream.com/archives/utility_belt.jpg

I have a theory that the ladies like their men to be a little unkempt.

Good grooming and a basic regard for what he wears (jeans which actually fit and have no holes . Shirts that look decent. Clean shoes.) is all I care for in a guy.

Too much more thought than that and I'm not interested.

That's my excuse anyways.

REAL MEN WEAR UTILIKILTS

So basically you don't like smart menswear, Nick, is what you're saying here?

Did you even read the thread title?

I mean, I don't think this is really about Nick.

ooh... fuck with laurel. Good idea.

I have a hard time 'maintaining' my suit if there is more than a year between wedding/funeral/job interview. ie, being able to fit into it.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1356/548998656_6c09eea55f.jpg

he'd be hotter in a utilikilt

http://www.unitedmaskandparty.com/Theatrical_Supplies/images/tux_vest.jpg

A blaster is an essential element of machismo.

http://www.pulpdc.com/images/blowoff_art.gif

Also, I don't think I've ever had my shoes shined, nor seen the need to. It would probably make me uncomfortable in the way that bathroom attendants make me uncomfortable, anyway.

rrrobyn OTM.

Also

http://www.deanfan4ever.com/deangntlonely.jpg

if getting it done while you wear them makes you uncomfortable, then drop them off at a shoe repair place or invest in some at-home polish from the drugstore. it makes a big difference in how things look and last.

you can do it yourself, you know, jaymc

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it makes a big difference in how things look and last.

The only "dress shoes" I own are from Payless. I wear them once a month, if that.

I do love a bit umkempt, Nick, and yeah, I think there's something super attractive about drawing your personal compromise-with-fashion line and letting that show...people of either gender who obsess about their appearances to the exclusion of more interesting things are BORING and I am not a fan of girly men.

But it should still be FUN! I just think that ideally you want to project that you have MASTERED the guidelines and can surpass them with your own innate coolness, not that you are throwing things like color and proportion and tailoring completely out the window because you're so special that you don't HAVE to learn anything from anybody.

it's like grammar!

No, it's not. I give a fuck about grammar.

I find personal fashion even less *fun* than food.

(as someone who can't/won't hardly cook)

or art/culture, sports, drinking, sex, home improvement, animals, etc etc

jaymc, congratulations. What do you want, a cookie?

Check it out, everybody! Jaymc is wayyyy above feeling the need to spend money or time on his appearance.

I think we should forge a statue.

Check it out, Kenan likes being a dick! Oh wait, we already knew that.

harrison ford exhibit b
http://www.zackrippy.com/images/IndyComparison.jpg

sam, you haven't been around for the other 25 times this conversation has occured

in the recent photo, Indy just looks like he *forgot* to finish buttoning.

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I just hate it when people make personal snipes to other posters rather than just ignoring them.

xp Kenan is correct.

I'm not above it. Truth be told, I wish I was someone that cared more about my appearance, but it just never seems like a priority. I shave twice a week, get a haircut three or four times a year, and replace clothes that fall apart or don't fit, but I can't seem to muster much more than that.

I hate it when jaymc comes onto threads about fashion or grooming and what not to jump up and down and wave his arms about how he doesn't care.

xpost

xxxpost

Doesn't make me dislike it any less.

I will let it drop, I'm sorry. Sam is right, I should ignore it.

Hi dere every Harrison Ford character = totally hot. And every single stitch his characters ever wore was endlessly plotted and tailored and dirtied by design, by a whole DEPARTMENT of specialists and image-makers. So....

Harrison Ford reminds me of my dad. Dadfashion is no good.

you can tell who the good macho guy is b/c he's not wearing a douchey top and chinos
http://www.hollywoodjesus.com/movie/transporter/07.jpg

So I think the answer lies in Indiana Jones: rock some basic field archaeology gear, then get a few fights, roll around in the dust, thrown in the trunk of a car, interrogated by a nazi (possibly with a few punches in the face) before finally jumping from a moving vehicle that explodes a second later. Then you should be just the right amount of disheveled and unkempt while still exuding some professorial classiness.

xp: hahahaha

harrison ford increasingly reminds me of my grandpa

I am wearing a yellow threadless tshirt with a picture of a maned lion wearing browline specs.

I would be wearing the pink one with chubby chinese naked ladies reclining on peaches, but I was afraid that would be too racey for work.

Yeah, TUFF!

Now Robyn is just living all over my brane.

I just don't like to be told that shining my shoes or visiting a seamstress is like the bedrock of civilization or whatever.

it is the correct balance of masculine and macho and style!
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branes!

John, are you satisfied with your standards for your own appearance? Because if you know that your specialty lies elsewhere and you're comfortable with that, then...it seems like fashion commentary could go on around you without being your problem, much like I feel about, say, organized sports.

Also, Kenan I generally like calling you names b/c I feel I can get away with it without you getting all psycho-hateful on me. ;)

surely there is nothing more masculine and macho than being chiseled and good looking? Then you can wear anything.

Tis a thing devoutly to be wish'd.

hi sam. :)

this guy = real man

http://altura.speedera.net/ccimg.catalogcity.com/200000/208100/208170/products/8770211.jpg

surely there is nothing more masculine and macho than being chiseled and good looking?

lookist

I thought that said "good-licking".

http://www.filmreference.com/images/sjff_01_img0534.jpg

None of these men are chiseled or good looking. They are all masculine and macho.

But a conversation about organized sports wouldn't likely imply that everyone should be playing organized sports as a basic grownup thing to do.

I actually like fashion commentary. It's one of the reasons I enjoy watching America's Next Top Model so much. I like looking at a model and being able to assess whether what she's wearing or how her hair is styled is working for her or not.

But I don't like this notion that as an American man, I'm compelled to master fashion guidelines or whatever.

Let's not get bogged down in traditional ideas about machismo.

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http://www.detroitmemories.com/photos/SoupySales/Soupy_Sales_5.jpg

Come on. Ernest Borgnine? Women melt at the sight of him.

and William Holden was reasonably chiseled.

srsly, william holden was chiseled and good-looking until the day he died.

xpost! heh

xxxxxpost, haha, doesn't the thread title talk about emphasizing machismo?

Or do you really want us to define modern machismo?

Hahahah, nick. But they are all wearing boots that make them pwn the room, and slim-fit pants, and shirts with buttons, and belts, and anyway they are rocking all this gear as DIRTY WORK CLOTHES, not even dressy ones. So they're already some kind of epitome of SOMETHING, anyway. :D

Also I know of many ladeez who get all hotnbothered over Warren Oates.

^ hitting on a key element of machismo + style
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This thread needs more Randy Savage (and by more, I mean some):
http://www.nndb.com/people/431/000109104/macho-man-randy-savage.jpg

so then when they put on CLEAN white shirts and CLEAN tight pants, it's like rowr
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lol

I dig on Warren Oates' untucked, gun-belt-over-the-shirt thing.

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/63/14/22361463.jpg

somebody give than man a soprano saxophone!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1413/1337030202_a2d8306eab.jpg

:D

that is one smooth chest

http://www.screenarchives.com/fsm/images/CDL/bravados.jpg

check out where those buttons are!

None of you know anything about fashion.

Teach us, jedi master.

sweaters

I told you, you need M. White. You are asking the wrong bunch of nerds.

Anyways, the cowboys were just about kenan saying you had to pretty to be fashion. Yes, chiseled + handsome = pretty.

http://www.oysterbaycasuals.com/Antigua315201MarqueeSweatersMensCottonPolyesterDropNeedleLongSleeveRibbedCrewNeck.jpeg

http://www.hulkhogan.co.uk/splash2.PNG

nick, you're a lot closer to pretty than you are to warren oates. I'd shoot for pretty.

M.White is a very stylish man indeed. But I think he's more dapper than most men could go these days. I wouldn't call his a macho look although I'm not saying he's not masculine. If most men dressed like him I'd feel like I was living in an F. Scott Fitzgerald novel or something.

http://photos3.meetupstatic.com/photos/event/b/6/7/8/event_886712.jpeg

omg schef

so much... information

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1431/803921380_509591e753_o.jpg

I'd feel like I was living in an F. Scott Fitzgerald novel or something.

:)

are you zelda in this scenario?

kenan that is one of the ugliest sweaters i have ever seen that isn't actually embroidered with hearts; it's so bad i bet derek jeter owns one

yeah, but he's chiseled. And stubbly!

Here, Nick: this guy is older, and stocky, and not particularly tall, but he looks distinguished and confident without calling a world of attention to himself.

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/4686/1648/1600/716073/Country%20Gentleman.jpg

Yes, I think he prob has crazy money, but all the elements could be assembled from thrift finds, too, as long as they fit. The overall result wouldn't be world-class in terms of v v demanding tailoring etc but no one who can't afford couture is going to look like couture anyway, so it's not a big field.

The only thing American men are compelled to do is at least wear a loincloth when in public.*

* Participating business establishments may require shirt and shoes for service. Selected restaurants require coat and/or tie. Coat and/or tie may or may not be provided for loan by establishment. Nightlife establishments may not clearly post explicit standards for entrance. Terms and conditions subject to change without notice. Contact your local businesses for full terms and conditions, or contact local law enforcement for details on community standards.

Old men are the best dressers, especially old European men - they buy high quality clothing and get it properly tailored.

xxxxxpost

I'm a better Franny (yes, I know this is a different author.)

TS: Jeter sweater vs. Cosby sweater

xp And the thrift-shop air of worn quality would impart the rakishly disheveled angle yr looking for.

http://photos.modellaunch.com/newspics/01/d853f3d59237b10c79c5.jpg

This look will always be classic:

http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/772/573832.JPG

Kenan, that sweater is hideous and guaranteed to stretch out of shape and be a baggy mess within 15 minutes. I know you can do better than that.

ford and especially redford aren't all masculine, you know.

sweaters i would think are a terrible means to a masculine image. (with the possible exception of the old european man style, which may not work on people who aren't old)

hairstyle might matter as much as clothes. hair can be adjusted with "hats".

masculine style might be inappropriate for unmasculine body shape/definition.

is it possible that what n/a describes is found in the realm of... edward burns?

i was looking for hunky pics, not sweater pics! Don't judge me by my bad sweater.

I think I had a sweater like that in, like, 10th grade. That guy is dressed like me at a debate tournament.

laurel your picture doesn't work

here: a sweater.

http://www.lakewoodconferences.com/direct/dbimage/50108374/Men_s_Sweater.jpg

so that's what a sweater is

indeed.

http://www.marcandlauren.com/he-man.jpg

Nick is going to wind up looking like these guys: http://flickr.com/photos/raceylane/791056086/

I like the yellow and black number! But it looks little too furry. Like angora or something. But the style and colors are ace.

How many ILXors even own pickup trucks?

I was worried this thread was being taken too seriously. Can I post a picture of Mr Motivator now?
http://www.gussly.com/uploaded_images/B00004R6MB.02.LZZZZZZZ-706408.jpg

Here, I think this guy looks casually good. Everything is simple, not "about" itself, the monochrome look is of course only one possibility of many but at least it's hard to do BADLY, the lines are tailored and not bagging out anywhere but also not revealing (ie a good jacket is a GODSEND for waists and shoulders that you wish weren't quite so), and his messy beloved shoes are the dividing line between fashion plate and guy-who-Does-Stuff.

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e66/LimitedLiabilityGirl/ThePainter2.jpg

his hair is too messy

Also, my first image that didn't work was this one:

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e66/LimitedLiabilityGirl/CountryGentleman.jpg

that guy does not look terribly masculine, but jackets otm

when your hair is that messy, it's a result of trying too hard, not NOT trying.

Finding pants is the bane of my existence.

unbutton those two buttons and okay

I was worried this thread was being taken too seriously.

Me too, but I didn't understand until a few minutes ago that it was spun off of the Rolling Fashion/Street Style Thread, so I guess some of that's understandable. I thought it was just a funny n/a thread that would entail lots of ridiculous photos.

what is the PONCEY style, for those who wish to emphasize their FASHION?

messy hair guy is ok, scarf guy is ugh

Like basically anything I do on ILX, this thread is 50% serious and 50% ridiculous.

otm xxxpost. pants will be the death of me.

what is the PONCEY style, for those who wish to emphasize their FASHION?

-- gabbneb, Friday, September 7, 2007 4:58 PM (27 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

Rolling Street Style / Fashion Blog Thread

laurel appears to have exported that thread over here

P.S. Nick my manly-fashion recommendations for you would all revolve around 50s-style patterned button shirts -- tucked in, sleeves rolled -- which I think you already do half the time anyway. Your manly fashion spirit animal is ... man, you're gonna hate this, but Jack Kerouac:

http://donshewey.com/2003_zine/images/pussycat_jack.jpg
http://members.tripod.com/~Raincloud771/pics/beatrdr1.jpg
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/travel/going_places/archives/Jackl.jpg

Finding pants is the bane of my existence.

why mall shopping sucks, part 452

srsly guys should just go to old-fashioned tailors and get pants made. ends up costing less in the long run b/c the pants look good and last and you don't have to waste yr time going into a bunch of stores.

a man with a tailor = hot

i am from 1938

LOL at Jack Kerouac style.

I do hold my cat like that.

http://vrlab.epfl.ch/~thalmann/bogart.jpg http://newsday.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/jayz.jpg

Nick re pants, me too. I hate pants. I hate shopping for pants, I hate trying them on, I hate them. So I wear skirts instead. But srsly if pants kill you but you aspire to look stylish, you have GOT to start having them tailored. Lots of things about clothes are adjustable. And just think: you could spend a little on the alterations but feel good EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU WEAR THEM for as long as they last. If that seems appealing...then find a tailor.

kerouac looks like a tard in that last photo

Tell me more about these so-called tailors.

I second Nabisco's suggestion of 50s style shirts.

Also, how do you find a tailor.

Kerouac kinda WAS a tard, but if I could time-travel import checked button-downs from his era, I'd be very very happy.

Find someone well dressed and ask who they use.

at the store you buy the pants from, possibly

I probably pass like half a dozen in my normal weekly travels around the city doing errands and shit? Drycleaners will make alterations for you IF YOU ALREADY KNOW WHAT YOU WANT, but a tailor will know what to do without you having to specify -- that is their job.

I buy pants at the Levis store.

The importance of the patterns / checks for manliness = instead of looking like grey-flannel 50s office worker, you just let the sleeves sag a little and you're every man with a farm or factory job and every man residing in a non-big American town from, like, the Great Depression through the sixties.

http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/ocean_s_eleven/_group_photos/brad_pitt5.jpg

When I bought a suit for my wedding I had it tailored and when I wore it I felt fat and stupid.

Except for the getting married part, that was cool.

lol at whole construct of 'masculine' ... get one gender studies/queer theory doctorate.

I've always liked this look:

http://991.com/newGallery/Ornette-Coleman-This-Is-Our-Music-398145.jpg

Umm is that Elliot Gould in an Oceans movie, or am I tripping?

I just mean I wasn't really impressed with how it looked given that it was supposed to fit me specifically. I may have had unrealistic expectations.

50s style example - jude law's wardrobe in 'the talented mr ripley'

lol at whole construct of 'masculine'

Hi, welcome to the glaring subtext of this thread.

The only thing I've had tailored is the pants for a suit I bought at Men's Warehouse, and they do fit better than a lot of pants I own. But yeah, they were tailored before I even took them home, so that was easy.

http://www.cosmomovieawards.com/actors/images/john_corbett.jpg http://www.codeforfood.com/corbett/pink01.jpg http://www.johncorbettband.com/images/press1.jpg

plus, you know, the jawline and all

Unless you're shopping at niiiice places, may I tentatively recommend against having the store make your alterations? Apart from hem length and the possibility of cuffs/no cuffs, I don't think they specialize in actually CHANGING the fit. And the more stores go to a "bargain" model the more that's true.

ewwwwww xpost

Umm is that Elliot Gould in an Oceans movie, or am I tripping?

um, he was like in all of them?

lol at whole construct of 'masculine' ... get one gender studies/queer theory doctorate.

thanks we know

I actually started out looking for a good photo of early 70s Elliott Gould but then found that.

nick, that's probably just a sign of poor tailoring (xpost)

Look at that O11 photo, that Matt Damon is considered "masculine" rather than "Tiger Beat" tells you all you need to know about how the concept has degraded.

http://users.utu.fi/hansalmi/opetus/elokuva3/goodbye2.jpg

tells you all you need to know about whether morbs has seen any of the Ocean's movies

Wow. I think I could totally dig Ornette Coleman's suit. When I grow up I want to look like that. I'm not sure about the beard, though...

Matt Damon is shaped like a bullet, that's pretty masculine.

the character's name is Linus, dude

Well but one thing that still fascinates me about suit tailoring is that ... umm, most fashion-fashion is largely about making tall, thin people look even taller and thinner, whereas with men's stuff (and suits especially) this is not really the issue -- it's about a cut that's right for whatever size you are, right down to being a roly-poly 5-foot 200-pound guy in a dazzlingly awesome suit. So there's this weird temptation to imagine that a tailored suit will make you look great in a fashiony way -- i.e., will make you look tall and slender and such (which certain cuts will) -- but if that's not what you're asking for, you'll wind up with something that just fits properly and looks good exactly as you are (which is maybe a better thing that just looking elongated).

E.g. I'd love to have a suit with that narrow jazz look upthread, but that would take a LOT of working around my build, and I'm happy with ones that just suit me right.

xxxxpost -- dude, I didn't see any Oceans movies, and the ads weren't exactly all like "Starring Elliot Gould! with George Clooney and some Pitt guy and Matt Whatshisface"

http://www.brooklynvegan.com/img/music/bb22.jpg

(Haha in other words: suits are still utilitarian items that fatty old businessmen need to look pompous in, hooray!)

tailoring is about fitting right, but if you could lose a few pounds (like me), the suit isn't going to look really great

"We've replaced this Beastie Boy with Bob Dylan -- let's watch!"

xxxxpost -- dude, I didn't see any Oceans movies, and the ads weren't exactly all like "Starring Elliot Gould! with George Clooney and some Pitt guy and Matt Whatshisface"

they've got Carl Reiner too

xp, lol

I actually thought it was Cate-Blanchett-as-Bob-Dylan at first.

Nabisco, that's exactly what I posted photo of stocky guy in green velvet jacket! That suit is not saying "LOOOOK HOW YOUNG AND THIN I AM, LIKE A ROCKSTAR" but I still think he looks masculine and substantial and great.

Re: extra pounds making suits not look good, I disagree 100% -- I think suits are practically DESIGNED to accommodate fatness

If my waist balloons in middle age, I hope one day to go with this look --

http://www.serieslive.com/img/series/casting/hercule_poirot.jpg

YES YES A THOUSAND TIMES YES

http://atgbcentral.com/timesgoneby1.jpg

nabisco, no one gives billing to 60somethings unknown to 20somethings.

I saw Oceans 11, gabb, and that's it -- I prefer movies to business deals.

(two if the Sinatra version counts)

...HEY!

http://www.boston.com/ae/sidekick/blog/frank%20sinatra.jpg

I go through regular phases of "Kerouac" style. JC Penny is great for this.

...that Matt Damon is considered "masculine" rather than "Tiger Beat" tells you all you need to know about how the concept has degraded.

-- Dr Morbius, Friday, 7 September 2007 17:11 (Friday, 7 September 2007 17:11) Bookmark Link

Isn't Matt Damon considered "masculine" simply because he kicks holes in people in the Bourne movies?

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Yeah, tall skinny people do tend to look best in a suit - the silhouette an' all that. But even if you're slightly on the portly side, you'll still look much better in a suit than anyone with the musclebound, athletic build. Even the in the best and most expensively tailored of suits, they still look like thugs. Which, as a tall scrawny guy, means I can fluant my elegance at them. Or it woul;d if I owned a suit...

but not "flaunt" my spelling skills...

I mean, I dunno why Masterpiece Poirot is the first example to mind for this sort of thing, but honestly, a lot of the function of the modern suit stems from doing this sort of thing:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Poirot.jpg

xpost MORBS I AM AWARE OF WHY ELLIOT GOULD DOESN'T GET TOP BILLING OVER GEORGE CLOONEY, FOR GOD'S SAKE
MY POINT IS THAT I WAS UNAWARE OF HIS PRESENCE IN THESE FILMS BECAUSE I NEVER SAW THEM AND PEOPLE WEREN'T ALL LIKE "HAVE YOU SEEN THAT NEW ELLIOT GOULD MOVIE, OCEANS 84"

BANDOLIERS

http://kimskorner.zed1.net/albums/Answers/chewbacca.jpg

no one makes movies with 20 yos in tribute to 60yos and their era

http://shauny.org/pussycat/images/2006/07/rog.jpg

see, Sinatra kicked holes in people in the movies and occasionally in parking lots without looking like a perpetual 16-year-old lacrosse player.

But masculinity and a certain maturity were considered to be inextricably linked back then...

Btw a friend of mine knows this girl who is a tailor and hooks him up by tailoring his, like, t-shirts and pants. This had never occurred to me but it sounds awesome.

I don't really like the fit of my "tailored" suit, but I think that's because it was tailored in a conservative way that's not really what I wanted.

i guess we're just going to let this notion that anyone thinks of matt damon as macho go on forever

Anyway, if I had my way, all men would wear mod/soul suits for fancy (like that Coleman cover!) and 501s + non-baggy shirts (Tshirts, button-up shirts, untucked, sleeves rolled, Fred Perrys, whatever) for casual. And I would MUCH rather see someone's totally normal...let's call it a torso of substance, shall we? than have clothes blousing out being sloppy. I don't wear those very hip shapeless, waistless sacks that started out as pre-school art smocks just because I'm a stocky peasant, and I don't expect men to think they're HIDING anything by buying their shirts bigger and bigger.

But masculinity and a certain maturity were considered to be inextricably linked back then...

and still are, to at least some degree

http://www.outdoor-clothing.org/SANDSTONE2.jpg

I wish I knew a tailor, as there's no way I can afford to get a suit made for me now. Having clothing made to measure is an absolute joy...

The thing about tailoring is that you only have to do it once. After that, even if you haven't taken a shower in three days and your Tshirt has a cigarette hole in it, the pants you grab off the floor will still make you look and feel good. Whatever style is "good" for you.

I'm not sure about that last. What if you put on weight? I'm 37 and expecting middle age spread to hit very soon...Especially with my lifestyle.

Well...I think the ideal in being stylish and thoughtful about quality things also suggests leading a balanced, healthy life? And if cheese & pints & naps in the garden are your passions...you should reconcile them with what you intend to be wearing in a couple of years, b/c suits & other wool clothes last at least that long.

I, of course, adore cheese and ice cream and Budweiser, so that is my own balance to find.

we need to talk about your thing for Budweiser.

many noisers hv tried

Budweiser, even Budvar, really isn't one of the quality things in life. Theakston's Old Peculier...now we're talking.

chop mor firewood

Budweiser is MY line in the sand w/r/t putting supposed quality over my own enjoyment. Step off.

the hell?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cosby+sweater

fuck you, urban dictionary.

More power to your elbow. I just think the stuff tastes anaemic.

Holy fuck! That urban dictionary def.

all men would wear mod/soul suits for fancy (like that Coleman cover!) and 501s + non-baggy shirts (Tshirts, button-up shirts, untucked, sleeves rolled, Fred Perrys, whatever) for casual

well, i guess at least ONE person would dig on my sense of style, since this is exactly what i do. (501s on today, plain army-style button shirt, untucked, sleeves rolled). oooh i'm so edgy! (i'm also 36 and thankfully out of the primary marketing demographic and don't really care about looking 'cool like the kids' or whatever anymore).

i had some paints tailor-made once and they were awesome. i should look into this practice again, as i need some new fancy-ish clothes...

ummm "pants", not paint. or "trousers" for you britishes

Urban dictionary = 90% 12-year-olds making up sexual acts that I pray no lone, gullible freak will grow up and try and convince anyone to participate in.

Weird things have happened to men's clothing over the past decades. I think the trick must be that a single person now has a lot more of it (instead of like one suit and five shirts), even if a lot of it is t-shirt-and-sneakers crap. How else to explain the guy below, a 1950s MIGRANT WORKER?

http://www.campaignadvantage.com/services/websites/archive/smithsonian/exhibitions/alvarado/images/phfather.jpg

so tailors MAKE clothes? i thought you just took store bought clothes over to a tailor to have them fitted or whatever itisamystery.pdf

xpost business casual

Ha, I'm actually getting really fascinated, poking around for American 1950s small-town or farm-worker clothing, all of which is actually really nice-looking and utilitarian and excellent -- the only reason I can't recommend it to Nick is that too many people lately are trying to get all farm-worker / urchined-out with vests and suspenders, in some kind of obvious Arcade Fire sensibility.

It's just kinda funny how 9-year-old 1950s farmer children dressed in types of garments now considered MORE formal than many adult men will wear!

http://flickr.com/photos/olddognewtrick/216372860/

(Granted, that one may be Sunday best, but I'm paging through pictures of kids out in the fields wearing same...)

yes, proper 'tailors' should have supplies of all types of fabric and will measure you and make you whatever the hell you like. typically, they like it if you bring in a magazine photo or some visual aid for what you're going for. in toronto, most of the tailors are in chinatown, which doubles as the "fashion district" with fabric outlets galore, and you can get anything made pretty cheaply.

you CAN take store-bought clothes to a tailor of course, but you could just as easily take them to a dry-cleaner, who would probably do the job for much less $$$

go to marc jacobs website. There's lots of choices
http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/9343/marcth6.jpg

I like how marc jacobs makes contemporary grunge clothing also

It's just kinda funny how 9-year-old 1950s farmer children dressed in types of garments now considered MORE formal than many adult men will wear!

Or how I was watching Taxi Driver last night and all of the scum Travis Bickle wishes would be washed down the sewers are all dressed better than I am.

often good second-hand/vintage stores know good tailors

apparently gays have take over the fashion world. so gays will be designing style and trends of the future!

Tramp stamps.

I think my real problem is that I have trouble buying things for which there's such a vast difference in price/quality from one brand/store to the next. Like, I don't know where to draw the line in terms of do I spend a little extra to look nicer or will I be perfectly happy with something cheap? I mean, whether I'm getting slacks from Target or J. Crew or Brooks Brothers, they're all fulfilling the same basic function: to cover my ass. My solution to this dilemma is to just give up and never buy clothes.

thanks for the explanation, Rob

find a lesbian to pick out your wardrobe

RONG

jaymc already dresses like a lesbian

:)

Jaymc, I can 100% understand and empathize with your issues there, which is why clothes-shopping often reduces me to total paralyzing indecision and I wind up buying the cheapest thing possible so at least I can't be making a BIG mistake -- and yet imagine yourself typing the following:

I think my real problem is that I have trouble buying records when there's such a difference in price/quality from one band to the next. Like, I don't know where to draw the line in terms of do I buy the $20 Soul Jazz reissue, or will I be perfectly happy with a dollar-bin LP? I mean, whether I'm getting a Neil Diamond cassette from a truck stop or a Max Tundra CD or a rare $150 Naked Raygun picture disc, they're all fulfilling the same basic function: to make noises come out of my speakers. My solution to this dilemma is to just give up and never buy music.

not all ass coverings are created equal, in other words

Well plus there's just a normal curve of figuring out what kinds of things suit you, which ones you want and which ones you don't, and what it's worth to you to get one thing instead of another -- same as with anything you've developed some discernment about.

To be honest, though, if someone really doesn't have these preferences and is perfectly content wearing whatever is cheap / handy / comfortable, and this isn't posing any kinds of life-problems for said person, then you know, I can't think of any good reason to develop another taste that's just going to cost money.

As much as I hate being this way, I'm a lot like Jaymc in my clothing habits. The only things I've found that help are 1) Forcing myself to lose weight (this makes it much more likely you'll find something that looks good on you), and 2) Shopping vintage stores. I used to bristle at the idea of a used shirt for $20 or $30, but if the store has good buyers, you're probably getting a garment of a quality that would cost three to five times as much new (if you could find one). It will look better and last longer.

haha the record parallel didn't work v. well in my case, i feel overwhelmed in both instances altho my solution certainly isn't to not buy music/clothing ... its to go into modest consumer debt :-/

'modest' = hopeful term there

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w65/mdiv/stlesresize.jpg

Funny, I had started typing and then erased something about how books and music are different. But they are. I mean, I'm not just buying "a pair of slacks," I'm buying something specific: "the new Kanye West album." I mean, if I decided to buy it at the Virgin Megastore for $15.99, I might regret not going to Best Buy and seeing if I could find it for around $10, but a few bucks doesn't make a huge difference, and at the end of the day, it's the exact same CD in my stereo.

(Although to be perfectly honest, lately my dilemma is, Should I buy this when I know full well I could just ask someone to burn it or Sendspace it to me?)

Yeah I was going to say, you buy CDs?

Plz, wot R the best sites for fashionz torrents? Thx

http://www.projetomemoria.art.br/JK/biografia/img/g_foto22.jpg

I don't understand Marc Jacobs; also, not masculine by any stretch:

http://i.realone.com/assets/rn/img/2/1/6/0/15690612-15690615-slarge.jpg

I mean, I'm not just buying "a new hip-hop album," I'm buying something specific: "the flat-front slate wool trousers with the crossing button flap," or "the pleated ones with the straighter legs and a much better break," or "the ones that are a little snug but really great-looking, except they only have them in the brown that doesn't go with my good shoes," or ...

nice pants, though

John, it IS still the same as records, because if you have an idea about your style and you've already imagined how some grey wool trousers will fill a spot in your wardrobe, you no longer shopping for something to cover your ass, you're shopping for something with the right fit, the right color, and the right level of formality (or informality) to fill in BLANK SPACE X among your other clothes.

Or, y'know, whatever. It's not just an afterthought. Don't you think that a whole BUNCH of people in this world buy music as background noise? Or because other people like it? They are shopping for records exactly like you shop for clothing.

I guess you're right, Laurel. I'm just never of the mindset, "I need grey wool trousers to fill a spot in my wardrobe" -- it's more like, "I'm bored with my clothes, I guess maybe I should go out and buy something."

I am not above buying clothes so I don't have to do laundry.

But even if you thought to yourself "I'm bored of all my music, I'm going to go by the store and grab something new," you don't just walk in and buy the first dollar LP in the bin -- you make some kind of informed decision about what you're going to get the most enjoyment out of!

Maybe if Pitchfork and the New York Times reviewed The Flat-Front Slate Wool Trousers with the Crossing Button Flap and they sparked a 500-post thread on ILX, then I'd be going at it with a different approach.

What is the MASCULINE style, for those who wish to emphasize their MACHISMO?
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i buy a new article of clothing like once a year

i'm sort of with jaymc on this: it's just shit that makes me not naked. better stuff to spend my $$$ on.

Maybe if Pitchfork and the New York Times reviewed The Flat-Front Slate Wool Trousers with the Crossing Button Flap and they sparked a 500-post thread on ILX, then I'd be going at it with a different approach.

-- jaymc, Friday, 7 September 2007 18:55 (1 minute ago) Link

dude, there are places to read these things.

xpost Right, that informed decision at the record store = What have I been reading about lately that sounds like it would appeal to my interests? What have I been wanting for a while but haven't been able to find? These questions aren't applicable at all to fashion, at least not for me.

River wolf you are a big faker, we have had conversations about style before. You know if you ever decided it DID matter to you, you would go about dressing in a purposeful, considered way.

probably true! but for the most part i just wear whatever

also, njguido.com

you're too hott to care about clothes

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6783/riverwolfgl6.jpg

YOU ARE THE SASSIEST, DON'T FORGET

i dont want to be mean here but does anyone else find themselves really frustrated by kenan posts in this thread? like, i don't get what you're aiming for dude, no funny, no insight, just like ... bland filler. it feels like filler. i don't know, maybe i don't read enough chicago thread or something but i felt i had to speak out.

^RW pic obv thread-ender

"My solution to this dilemma is to just give up and never buy music" is the point I've reached (save for about 10 albums per year), so the parallel holds.

yeah, i've had better moments.

Wow, considering that jaymc and I are having actual, polite discussion on this thread, we could do without passive aggressive cruelty, deej.

i'm bored and wasting a friday afternoon, it happens. I'm sorry I'm not on top of my game.

but you're right, I'm not.

Also, just to continue the clothes vs. records debate, because I do think it's useful, it's a bit disingenuous to say that the basic function of music, i.e. why we listen to it, is "to make noise come out of our speakers." Even if you're not a music geek, you listen to music to be entertained or to be put in a certain mood. Whereas with clothes, the only purpose I can see beyond keeping me warm and protected is that occasionally I look in the mirror and say, "Hey, I'm lookin' pretty good today." Which is nice, but a fleeting pleasure.

i'm not trying to be passive aggressive! i'm being aggressive aggressive.

i dont hate kenan, it was just like ... ease up a bit dude.

I go through regular phases of "Kerouac" style. JC Penny is great for this.
the gap would argue (from early 90s?)
http://native.way-nifty.com/native_heart/images/kerouac_wore_khakis.gif

xp Speak for yourself. Clothes I love, and love wearing, make me happy 24 hours a day. Everything I do and say in that period will be informed by how I feel I'm presenting, whether I'm comfortable, confident, feeling like I'm expressing something abt myself that's true, or not. And I only have to think about it once: when I get dressed in the morning! The rest of my day will be improved by how I feel about my look, without my having to do anything else extra along the way.

Kerouac lived with his momma.

Maybe I need to discover what my "style" is. I thought I had it pinned down in early 1999 when I went for the disheveled professor look. That was mostly due to this awesome black velvet jacket I found in Camden, though, the pockets of which later tore and which is probably too small for me now, anyway. RIP.

Men are much more likely than women to think they look just fine in anything. Especially if Dad put on pants at home only when company was coming.

xpost Right, that informed decision at the record store = What have I been reading about lately that sounds like it would appeal to my interests? ... These questions aren't applicable at all to fashion, at least not for me.

These questions aren't applicable to you because instead of taking chances to read about clothes (whether in the NYT or in ILX), you choose instead to stand around going "BOY AM I INDIFFERENT TO CLOTHING," something you're just as capable of doing on and about Kanye West records and associated ILM threads. It's perfectly natural to be interested in one thing but not in another, but don't go acting like you're all marginal and oppressed over it.

P.S. I don't really believe in all that clothes-make-the-man stuff, even after repeated childhood viewings of Ossie Davis in Joe vs. the Volcano, but if you ever want a sense of how clothes can affect your life, wear a stylish suit next time you have to fly somewhere: you will walk through airports thinking there is some really awesome guy right behind you who everyone is interested in.

jaymc is completely on it with that jacket remark.

Most men's style? One or two token articles of clothing that give them a sense of accomplishment just for owning. The Friday night shirt, the black velvet jacket, etc. I know I'm sure guilty of this.

nabisco couldn't be more right about the fancy suit/travel thing. it even works if your black! how cool is that?!

So Nabisco, do you read about a fashion trend in a magazine and then say "that sounds up my alley, I'll go see if I can find it at a store"? I'm sort of assuming, perhaps mistakenly, that anything discussed in the realm of fashion journalism is going to be out of my price range (based on the captions in, like, GQ or Vogue photo shoots).

There's also the weird phenomenon wherein with music, you want to get the CD that everyone else is talking about, since that discourse means the album is probably interesting (if not always good) and since you can get pleasure from joining that discourse yourself -- whereas with clothes, you don't necessarily want to be wearing what everyone else is wearing. I mean, I already feel awkward when I pass someone on the street wearing the same Mossimo windbreaker I got from Target last spring, I'm not sure I want there to be a whole conversation about it.

GQ has increasingly aimed a little lower on the price marker, and recently did an issue with pretty generic fashion tips (if you have long legs and a short torso like me, go with lower-waistband pants and avoid pleats, etc) and you have to remember that just because they're showing a $250 shirt in a designer brand doesn't mean that you don't, you know, go find a similar style at Kohl's or Target or what have you.

The thing is that unlike with music, you can get substitute goods that are very similar in style that might be passable. It takes someone with little musical knowledge to spot a tribute band, but it takes someone with a reasonable amount of fashion knowledge to spot knockoffs. And you wear more than one piece of clothing at a time so you might have that magic black velvet jacket over a cheap t-shirt. Or you might have a cheap dress shirt but nice pants. Current clothing you're wearing is like a collection of music, not one album.

http://www.mensvogue.com/images/homepage/2007/06/edwards_homepage_truck.jpg

boy that guy squints a lot

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f331/chai9234/dearnhardtjr.jpg

this half-way open shirt thing seems to be key

BAN SPINSPIN

J: Keep in mind that I'm not into fashion -- I don't read fashion magazines or know stuff about designers or anything, and I spend half my time dressed as much like a 12-year-old as anyone else. But I do like nice clothes, so it's just ... if you're walking around, you see well-dressed people, or you notice shop windows, and you think "oh, that style of jeans looks really good," or "hey, that's a really cool sweater, I wish I had one like that." This is the whole purpose of those street-style blogs -- you can look at them and find a few things people have come up with that you like.

This doesn't mean that you're now going to go out and buy the same pieces of clothing they have and dress up just like them -- it just means that when you go shopping, at whatever price level, you can maybe notice something like that cool sweater you saw, and think it would maybe look good if you wore it with X and Y, a bit like that snazzy look you saw somewhere. ... This is very far from getting into arcane fashionista knowledge, just a slight jump up from "it covers my ass" to "hey, this is aesthetically nice."

Well, I think most people do that. I mean, I'm not sitting here in some big plaid shirt and scuffed Nikes.

And yes, per MH, it's not about suddenly needing the exact item you saw somewhere and liked! More like ... I dunno, if you saw and liked Maroon Cardigan Kid from the other thread, and thought you'd look good like that, you'd just keep an eye out for a bright wool cardigan and a 50s-style pattern shirt, and when you found them you'd try them with a tie and see if it looked good! I mean, with basic men's clothing items, you can usually find the type of garment you want across a wide range of prices.

xpost - Well then you're paying some slight attention to fashion, J! I mean, I've seen your clothes, you're not just all "anything that covers my ass." And I'm not saying you're required to somehow move up ranks and spend more time or money hunting down clothes -- just don't be too baffled that some people enjoy it ever-so-slightly more than you might.

Oh, I'm not baffled on that point. The only reason I got antagonistic on this thread at all (although I hope not too antagonistic) is that Laurel kept phrasing things like "men should do this and that, it's only civilized" and so I felt the need to defend my approach to fashion.

Like every other clean-fingernails suburban macho dipshit in north carolina: standing around in spotless Carhartt gear and wondering if they're really gonna have to do all that work?

euch... I hate John Edwards.

I think Laurel's rhetoric was pitched at about the same level as saying "god, people need to quit listening to Dave Matthews Band all the time" -- i.e., not really a legislative position, or anything.

Dude, you're a man, you don't have to defend your attitude about men's ANYTHING to women.

(overtly 'masculine' statement from the bro crowd)

girls shouldn't be ignored on the clothes front, but they usually want to remake you in their favorite image

Honestly I take a woman with me when I go clothes shopping most of the time. It keeps me from running in twice a year, grabbing two new shirts, and running back out.

Wow, that sounded really off-putting. "I take a woman with me"

I hear you can rent them now.

What, people DO need to quit listening to Dave Matthews! Those people shop for records like jmc shops for clothes. On the other hand, they give the rest of us someone to NOT be, which is...useful.

this magazine is the bomb:

http://www.lifeclever.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/fantasticman.jpg

yes, it's called FANTASTIC MAN.

What, like tuneless, badly produced garage-rock/post-punk is much better? </joeks>

No, no matter how many times you ask, I will not invite you to go to see the Cheater Slicks tonight. Discussion OVAH.

I don't even know who they are!

for true masculine machismo you only need a mustache

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39522000/jpg/_39522421_schradi_afp300body.jpg

racing leathers are a good place to start
http://ww2.tagheuer.com/_img/Ambassadors/Steve%20McQueen/big/Steeve-McQueen.jpg

so is being steve mcqueen.

A black turtleneck and a revolver under each arm: very butch
http://www.beyondhollywood.com/stillsx/2007/07/steve-mcqueen-as-bullitt.jpg

you could always pop your collar
http://www.mugshots.com/IMAGES/P__al-pacino.jpg

shirt not always mandatory

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Mptv/1204/5831_0014.jpg

'I don't understand Marc Jacobs; also, not masculine by any stretch'
-elmo argonaut

If a huge redneck wore some designer clothing, it would be pretty macho of him to go out in public like that. most people wouldn't be caught dead wearing that stuff -- if you risk it, you jsut might be a macho man.

kerm, kerouac was also schizophrenic

Being Steve McQueen is a very VERY good place to start.

Being Rick Moranis maybe not so much unless you want me to have a lifetime crush. Not to say there is no place in this wonderful world of worlds for MANGLIESS ALPHA STAREDOWN, NOW WITH MORE SPATS.

This guy is a good example for the mangly suave and he's not even HUMAN:

http://www.show.me.uk/dbimages/chunked_image/mr_toad.JPG

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d9/Toad_map.jpg/350px-Toad_map.jpg

http://images.scotsman.com/2005/06/27/grahame-frog.jpg

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/12001126/Images/1/197/ss082707nn%20(50).JPG

This just arrived in the mail, and I am please. (Only the sweater, not the pants or mannequin)

Introducing the Sherwani:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/130/417544843_0ebf8c115f.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1011/525979934_8e276264ab.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/125/357473886_686c52e3bc.jpg

Abbott OTM re. Mr Toad. M. White is best dressed man on ILX and I covet his style.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_qjpwnPW4c1o/RuvwJeeKU_I/AAAAAAAACEw/-9TQi41LOOs/s1600-h/Tcolorw.jpg

ok i mean just check this out whoa awesome

https://www.depo-online.com/images/o/str8deokarma.jpg

woah, pink brogues. he looks fantastic.

DUDE

dude's jacket doesn't fit

true but the look remains awesome

i like it when guys wear bright colours

without looking too spazzy

that's bryant park.

his jacket fits well he's just standing weirdly.

http://bp1.blogger.com/_Ix9iZ5yJkvo/RurnBzdWuhI/AAAAAAAAA80/sp-dnG_F3Po/s1600-h/00520f.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_Ix9iZ5yJkvo/RuroejdWulI/AAAAAAAAA9U/ugrt1QSC5XQ/s1600-h/00070f.jpg

thom browne sez: CODPIECE lol

What is the GAY style, for those wishing to emphasize their FAGGOTITY?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/CassShock/ThomBrowne%20SS08/00070m.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v347/CassShock/ThomBrowne%20SS08/00020m.jpg

fashion!

I saw more codpieces than that in 30 mins of Sunday afternoon. Try harder.

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Film/Pix/pictures/2007/05/29/paulnewman460.jpg

a nice watch and a big stick.

great trenchcoat on codpiece #1

Boots like this, y/n:

http://www.zappos.com/images/733/7336268/8521-457211-5.jpg

I vote yes, and I am your wife.

I don't like them b/c they scream dandy, but then sometimes I have seen them on guys and thought they were OK.

I still say the answer to your question is sundress.

That's what I'm worried about, is that they are too foppish (british).

I say n, sry S.

http://www.zappos.com/images/734/7343117/6220-469736-d.jpg

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2006/02/20/ntopg20.jpg

Look to Texas guys for the answer to your initial question, Nick. Those guys are dandies, even the President. In that documentary Travels with George he goes on about the particular snaps on his shirts and the like. Those guys care like hell about their belts, boots, shirts.

Billy Joe Shaver:
http://www.paulinereese.com/newsite/images/fans/billy%20joe%20shaver.JPG

Guy Clark:
http://www.emmylou.net/tell3.jpg

Lyle Lovett:
http://www.virginmedia.com/microsites/siren/slideshow/opposites-attract/img_10.jpg

I think pull-ons would look less dandy:
http://www.zappos.com/images/719/7195871/827-193350-d.jpg

Ok. I know nothing about men's fashion. Carry on.

Yeh. I think it's the zipper that breaks the deal for me. That and the fact that they're called OPERA BOOTS. Maybe if they were called "shit kickers" I might change my mind. But probably not, if they still had a zipper.

Though as I've said, I've seen them maybe once or twice in an outfit where I was astounded to find they didn't look gay as hell.

Lyle Lovett is awesome.

Have any of the Chicago dudes ever been in that giant Western-wear store on Chicago Ave. near Ashland, that seems mainly to cater to Mexican dudes? I am curious about it.

As a semi-Mexi-merican I stay away from such places. And I don't listen to Nortenas or reggeton.

Y

they are not traditional masculine, but the cowboy boot associations don't hurt, and their more fashiony-ness might give you an air of confidence if you're not self-conscious about them. i used to have a pair of similar (monk-strap version) and loved them. warning: people may want to pet them.

Y

the zippers do turn me off a little, tho

the one above is a nice zipper, tho

I haven't been in there, but seeing how those Mexican dudes dress on weekend nights I bet there's good stuff in there.

I'm also trying to remember the name of an outfitter (man's version of label) that made some really knockout boots/shirts/etc. that I saw in Duluth last year -- some Pacific Northwest company that has been making clothes since the Gold Rush.

OK, so interesting how the Filson sight doesn't make these clothes look special - kind of plain and Eddie Bauer-y - but when you see the actual stuff the material really stands out. Like these (unfortunately $185) moleskin pants:

http://fil.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pFILSON1-2232945p275w.jpg

http://fil.imageg.net/graphics/product_images/pFILSON1-2994788p275w.jpg

I guess shooting shirts have patches so that you don't get gunpowder on them?

Have any of the Chicago dudes ever been in that giant Western-wear store on Chicago Ave. near Ashland, that seems mainly to cater to Mexican dudes? I am curious about it.

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Alcala's, right? Max got his cowboy boots there; he fucking loves it. Like, had planned on going to that store in particular to get his boots for like months. It's a pretty great store.

I might have to go check it out once I get $$$paid.

it's so the butt of your rifle doesn't wear out your shirt.

xp

also, nick, those boots you posted are nice, but gay gay gay.

go here for machismo: http://www.blundstone.com/

tho the ones sarah posted are nice!

no, go the gay way, be the gay way, go for the gay way, all right?

I don't think they're gay one bit, but they're probably not Nick. Also, I like the elastic gusseted pull-ons.

you gotta wear them with boot-cut jeans/dark pants of course, not like, you know, spandex or something

I already have boots to wear when it's crappy outside, I want boots that look nice. I like the dress boots on the Blunstone site, but their U.S. dealer locator is broken so can't tell where to find them in U.S.

actually, they work with 'stone' chinos too

Nick, the elastic-sided boots that Sarah posted are being brought down by the molded rubber soles, I think those are making them look more like bad weather-wear than they should. There are lots of sharper and slightly more formal options with elastic, if zippers are really a problem for you.

boo to sissy-boots, get a pair of Red Wings and never think about it again

I have no problems with zippers! It seems like other people do though.

alright, "gay gay gay" was a bit much, but they're definitely not nick. also, they require other clothes to be purchased, whereas work-ier blundstones can be worn with blue jeans and a t-shirt.

xp i really don't like the zipper

http://www.rizzo.se/begood/image_db.php?id=359.jpg

https://www.proidee.de/pimgs/323/c3/323_c365692a.jpg

http://www.kurtgeiger.com/content/ebiz/kurtgeiger/invt/4704/chelsea3_black_0470400104_m.jpg

Nick, I'm surprised you don't have a pair of those boots already, I thought you did.

i really like the first boots nick posted!

there's nothing wrong with zippers--they're not super-blatant once the boots are on with pants (i'm assuming you'd wear them with pants rather than a sundress).

xp i like the last pair laurel posted, for those averse to zippers.

Have any of the Chicago dudes ever been in that giant Western-wear store on Chicago Ave. near Ashland, that seems mainly to cater to Mexican dudes?

i've heard really good things about that place from L, who used to shop for a living (theater costuming), so she knows her stuff.

When I passed it on Friday, Orvis - just off of Michigan Ave. at about Ontario - had signs up for a fall sale.

Search for them as "chelsea boots" or "elastic paddock boots". Although beware that with the latter you will got lots of proper equestrian-y things that you won't like, but you can still get some interesting results that might work. (Sometimes also called "stock boots" but that's a terrible google result.)

OMG THESE: http://store.jfayora.com/shopimages/products/normal/rb-L225.jpg

Those are pretty swanky.

Nice ones, Laurel.

The zippers are not obvious if a guy is standing, but then he sits and EEEK! the gay zipper!

I really like those blundstone boots.
Ah, well. We'll hit up good ol' DSW first.

I decided these are the ones I want:

http://www.sugarriveroutfitters.com/images/product_image/bl_063.gif

i like those

It is hard for me to spend $155 on shoes. But I should probably make myself.

I think elastic panels are 'gayer'* than zippers.

* wtf, surely no-one believes either zippers or elastic panels feel same-sex attraction. Is this another example of gay being used to mean lame or stupid, or is there some stereotype about people who wear clothing with zippers that I'm not aware of?

The wife is right - try DSW first.

I think "gay" is repping for "fussy" here, Oily. I mean, I sort of "get" it without agreeing with it at all, but anything to get teh boys to pay attention to their own shoes...

I mean "gay" not in the same-sex attraction way. I mean gay as in totally queer.

http://www.zappos.com/images/718/7189114/985-15055-p.jpg

http://www.zappos.com/images/105/105989/985-11625-p.jpg
http://www.zappos.com/images/719/7195419/985-192880-p.jpg
http://www.zappos.com/images/716/7168263/985-11627-p.jpg

and of course there are low top ones too. but i like these.

i am also a fan of penguin shirts. the patterns are often interesting.

http://www.penguinclothing.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/17FW0107-022.jpg

deej's shoes would make Herve Villecheise my height, and if I wore them would result in me passing out due to asphixiation in the upper atmosphere.

There's also Jessica's Western Wear on Clark in Rogers Park.

there's a western clothing place at 918 n. ashland as well, near ashland and augusta. a little smaller than alcalas tho

http://www.penguinclothing.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/17FW0107-0222.jpg
the only thing about penguin (other than the fact that i consistently find more than 50% unwearable vs 20% highly wearable) is that the short sleeve shirts have REALLY short sleeves. still good tho
http://www.penguinclothing.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/17FW0130-432.jpg

I like the patterns of the Penguin shirts but still have this holdover indie guilt that keeps me from wearing any clothing that has logos or brand names on it. I do have one Penguin shirt that I wear because Sarah got it for me as a present.

It isn't even so much indie guilt as it is dad guilt, like "I already PAID for the SHIRT, why should I give them FREE ADVERTISING?"

i hate those shirts and the aesthetic they rode in on

plz post pics of gabbneb shirts

Where's M. White today?

Meanwhile, guys:
http://www.ireneeonline.com/images/men/men-3suitsadjline.jpg

bateman.jpg

oh god if m white shows up i'll just feel bad about myself

"shows up"

jesus get me off the crazy thing

Someone explain that image above. I get the 4 seasons and the black in the middle means that it for all 4, right? What about the blue and grey?

Also, is it a faux-pas to wear burgundy in spring, summer, or fall?

I think the idea is that you can own three suits, that you can wear the black one year-round, the gray one in spring and winter, and that those other colors are the appropriate shirts for each season.

Uh, really? I just assumed that was one of those "having your colors done" kind of charts with the basics in the middle and the shirt/accent colors that are flattering for yr skin/hair/eyes.

Oh. Like on Roger and Me.

Have any of the Chicago dudes ever been in that giant Western-wear store on Chicago Ave. near Ashland, that seems mainly to cater to Mexican dudes? I am curious about it.

the best thing about alcala's is the horse.

why are you guys posting pictures of my boots?

If that's the case I can tell you without hesitation that I'm a Spring.

xp Hahaha exactly like that. That is, in fact, exactly what I thought of.

xpost No, it's just three suits and the absolute most basic shirt/tie colors for each season.

(bringing your coloring into it would more involve variant shades of those basic colors)

But maybe EZ's right considering the name the url name
http://www.ireneeonline.com/images/men/men-3suitsadjline.jpg

Well whatever. I fucked it up, but you get the point.

I take it back! I'm wrong and Laurel's right -- consulting the site, it is actually recommending those for your personal coloring.

It is hard for me to spend $155 on shoes. But I should probably make myself.

From what I've heard, they'll last for ages.

(which I find a little weird, since lots of men can wear any number of those as basics, and the very limited style of the suit/shirt/tie means the only variation lots of suit-wearers get is bringing out interesting "seasonal" colors)

Oh. So I take it back then.

http://b0.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00869/08/68/869978680_m.jpg

Here I am (with my back to the camera), wearing a "winter" jacket.

Or is that autumn? Now I'm lost.

a year later, i bought some boots. they look like this:
http://www.shoeline.com/ecpublic/020/images/items/S6004400.jpg

Ties are masculine.

I am way too much of a slob to pull off those boots. They nice tho.

here's a secret: they were pretty cheap ($85 at DSW)