Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull?!?? We can do better than THAT!

Age appropriate:

"Indiana Jones Drives 40 mph In the Fast Lane"

"Indiana Jones and the Two for One Bingo Night"

swarovski-encrusted skull

I think that might have been a lie.

Indiana Jones and The Early Bird Special

Indiana Jones Picking Up Cans Along The Road Because His University Pension Was Underfunded And Now He's Living On Cat Food

"Indiana Jones and the Baked Fish at Luby's"

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"Indiana Jones and The Stack of Newspapers Dating Back to 1984"

That title makes it sound like it was directed by Dan Deacon or something.

otm

it sounds like a serial title, so no problem.

'the temple of doom'

Indiana Jones and the Double-Knit Slacks Pulled Up to the Armpits

"Cocoon"

Indiana Jones and a Night of Matlock Reruns

Indiana Jones and the Dentures of Destiny

The Adventures of Indiana Jones as Taken from the 'Journal of the Whills'

Indiana Jones and the Search for Glaucoma Weed

Indiana Jones And The Revenge Of The Phantom Clones

Indiana Jones And The Phantom Menace.

Gah. Great minds, etc.

Indiana Jones and the Evening Out at Golden Corral

Indiana Jones and the Coward Robert Ford

Indiana Jones vs. The Minions Of IBD

Indiana Jones and the Custos Tribute Thread

Indiana Jones Vs. Predator

Raiders of the Lost Car Keys

Indiana Jones and the Bitchy Fanboys

who moved indiana jones's cheese

indiana jones is from mars, nazis are from venus

the indiana jones diet

indiana jones is just not into you

Indiana Jones and All the Little Joneses

Indiana Jones and the House Full of Cats

indiana jones and the ignored facebook poke

Indiana Jones and the Vague Smell

27 Acts of Unspeakable Depravity in the Abominable Life and Times of Indiana Jones

Indiana Jonesin'

Seriously Dude, Where's the Skull?

indiana jones and the unwarranted IP ban

Indiana Jones Goes to Whitecastle

Indiana Jones Vs. The Harry Potter Movie Opening Weekend

Indiana Jones and the Barely Functional Amstrad PC

Indiana Jones and the Dan Brown Lawsuit

Indiana Jones and the Cigar Tube Full of Bees

Indiana Jones and the Fridge of Prune Juice

Indiana Jones and the Annoying Kids These Days

Indiana Jones and the Afternoon Nap

Indiana Jones and the Cialis Side Effects

indiana jones and the sex! sexy sex!

Indiana Jones and the Zimmer Frame of Doom

Indiana Jones and the Right Thing To Do/Right Way To Do It

The Lost Jewels of Nabooti

Indiana!

The Lost Jewels of Nabooti

LOLZ^^^

indiana jones and the indie anna jones

Indiana Jones and the Wide Stance in the Toilet Stall

Indiana Jones and the Pandering Spielberg

Indiana Jones and the Curse of the Sorceror's Rainbow

sounds gay

Indiana Jones and the Reluctant Milliner

Indiana Jones Vs. The Wiseacres With Too Much Time On Their Hands

Indiana Jones Has A Snake

Indiana Jones and Lily Allen's Zionist Crusade

Indiana Jones and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day

hhahahaha i was gonna do that one

Florida Jones

Indiana Jones and the Giant Peach

Indiana Jones and the Indiana Jones and the

orange you glad I didnae say banana?

Indiana Jones and the Culture of Complaint

Indiana Jones and the Drafty Window of Doom

Indiana Jones and the Fuzzy Kitten

Indiana Jones and the Retro-Hip Fedora Look

Indiana Jones and the Half-Read James Michener Novel

Indiana Jones and the Fuzzy Navel

Indiana Jones and the Futon of the Bedbugs

Indiana Jones and the Abortive Seniors Mixer

Indana Jones and the Post-Menopausal Vaginal Dryness

Indiana Jones and the ban milo

Indiana Jones and the Secret Smell

Indiana Jones and the Little Nap

Indiana Jones and the Colostomy Rupture

Short Round and the Valley of Forgotten Sidekicks

I kind of wish they'd promote a new Indiana Jones movie, but then it'd turn out to be a prequel about the dog Indiana. An all-dog adventure.

Indiana Jones and Indiana Jones

Raiders of the Lost Bark

Indiana Bones

Indiana Jones and the All-Rubber Band

Indiana Jones and the Low-Sodium Diet

Indiana Jones and the Little Chuck Wagon That Runs Under the Table

Indiana Jones And The Fatal Poppage

Indiana Jones and the Letting the Grandchildren Pick Out What They Want From the House When He Dies

Indiana Jones and the Fata Morgana Bacon

Idiana Jones versus Predator.

Indiana Jones and the Reading of the Thread

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Indiana Jones and the It's Almost Time To Go Home From The Office And Sit Staring At The Fishtank

"Indiana Jones and the FUCKING AWESOME SKULL PICTURE, WTF PEOPLE"

Indiana Jones and the 40 Posts A Day

I've never seen that Mastodon cover and it kinda makes me want to buy the record even though in general I never have much desire to listen to progmetal

wait dan did you actually miss the whole damien hirst diamond encrusted skull thing?

xp the second track is "Crystal Skull"

Probably I did! That skull makes Damien Hirst awesome.

I prefer the loony FATE Magazine occult Crystal Skull.

Indiana Jones and the Cardigan of Doom.

Indiana Jones and the Welsh Cardigan Corgi Of Doom

Indiana Jones and the Overwhelming Smell of Liniment

Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Mushy Peas.

Indiana Jones and Ted and Carol and Alice

Indiana Jones and the Kerrang! Album of the Year

Probably I did! That skull makes Damien Hirst awesome.

It makes fine wallpaper on your laptop if you tile it, too.

indiana jones and the chinese democracy

Indiana Jones and the No iPod For Nose

Indiana Jones Is And The Banal Facebook Status Update

^^^ win

Indiana Jones and the Naive Misperception of Authority

Indiana Jones and the Small, Rusty Roman Brooch.

Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis

Indiana Jones in TOO MANY NAZIS!

Indiana Jones in Too Many Grandmas

What Color is Indiana Jones' Parachute?

Indiana Jones and the Sound of the Glass Tiger

Indiana Jones and the Lost Continence

Whippin' With the Indiana Jones Quintet

Indiana Jones and More Cowbell

Indiana Jones and the Lawnful of Damn Kids

Indiana Jones and the Loud Rock Music These Days

Indiana Jones and These Kids With the Hippin' and the Hoppin' and the Bippin' and the Boppin'

Indiana Jones and the Deathly Hallows

Indiana Jones and the Titanium Hip.

Indiana Jones and the Discovery Channel Documentary Narrators Who Don't Know Shit About Archaeology

Indiana Jones and the Ghost of His Long-Dead Spouse

Indiana Jones and the Predator-ship in Alien

Are You There God? It's Me, Indiana.

Indiana Jones and the Quest for Senior Discounts

Indiana Jones and the - oh, one sec...oh geez - it slipped my mind...something to do with the Old Testament or something or - I can't believe I forget what it...hang in there - it always comes back to me...Joseph's coat or something. Maybe it was - oh, something to do with an ancient king of Israel...it was definitely Judeo Christian-related, that much I remember. Darn.

Darmok and Indiana Jones at Tanagra

Indiana Jones and the Grandchildren He Never Gets To See Since the Divorce

Darmok and Indiana Jones at Tanagra

I almost hate myself for recognizing that.

haha! oh god. kill me.

Indiana Jones's Diary

*applause*

Whippin' With the Indiana Jones Quintet

lolz

Me and Mrs. Indiana Jones

Okay, new winner there

Idiana Jones and the...Never Mind

OINTMENT: Indiana Jones and THE OINTMENT

If you want to read this title out loud, make sure to say it ointmently!

The Indiana Jonestown Massacre

Indiana Jones In Diana Jones

(a pr0n)

Indiana Jones Visits the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular

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Leave him, Abbott. Come with me.

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"Get the hell off my lawn!"

Indiana Jones and the The.

(starring Matt Johnson as Short Round. Maybe)

Indiana Jones and the Fiddly Coin

Indiana Jones and the Chamber of Commerce

Hahahah.

Indiana Jones and the License Renewal

Indiana Jones and the Bottled Water

Indiana Jones and the Last Croissant

Indiana Jones and the WD-40

Indiana Jones and the Arby's Coupons

Indiana Jones and That One Dude

Indiana Jones and the Triple Bogie

...something to do with Solomon...that much I do remember...I'm trying to get this damned iPod to work so I can call Steven and get the name for you...this is so humiliating...I'm so sorry...

Indiana Jones and the Boat of Love

Indiana Jones: Zero Mission

Indiana Jones and the Improbably Clever Serial Killer.

Indiana Jones is not wearing pants. Plus, he might die.

Indiana Jones Is Definitely Going To Die

Farmers of the Lost Cock

Indiana Jones and the Better than Star Wars and You Know It

Indiana Jones And The Strong Food And Strong Drink At Midnight (SNAKE)

Indiana Jones and the Lolcat Library

Indiana Jones and the Out of Court Settlement

Indiana Jones and Wilford Brimley's Bogus Journey

Indiana Jones and the Hawaiian Shirt Casual Friday lunch Luau

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!!!!

Indiana Jones and the Coward Robert Ford

-- Ms Misery, Monday, September 10, 2007 8:17 PM

lol

Indiana Jones and the Orbison Clingfilm Fetishist

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Indiana Jones Phones Home

Indiana Jones I Love You But I've Chosen The Fortress Of Darkness

http://www.vanityfair.com/images/culture/2008/02/cuar03w_indianajones0802.jpg

:D

some other stuff

all the stuff about going back to the old style and not modernizing it sounds promising.

http://www.vanityfair.com/images/culture/2008/02/cuar03w_indianajones0802.jpg
oh my

got damn

yeah, that's kinda awesome.

that's kinda Rosa Klebb.

I'd like to have seen it in black-and-white with lots of rearscreen projection.

just like the first 3!

Indiana Jones, because of the wang.

george lucas insisting on something for years that everyone at first blush thought was crap... not filling me with confidence

v v interested in how marxism will be handled in this tho! u kno cate will have at least one line about the people or history or a better world etc. or not!

I heard a Lucas via Shia LaB quote about this being more of a '50s sci-fi hommage?

'50s sci-fi hommage...that's up my alley

Blanchett in hot commie getup also up my alley

i'm looking forward to this!

george lucas insisting on something for years that everyone at first blush thought was crap... not filling me with confidence

-- gff, Thursday, January 3, 2008 5:54 PM (10 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

ah, hes just all butthurt over no one liking his precious prequels.

he's not writing or directing this so that's good.

ya but he has creative control and apparently deepsixed earlier versions of hte script everyone else liked. he'll find a way to ruin it.

I will see a terrible movie with Cate Blanchett as a hottie commie dommie. But I would rather see a good movie with etc. The interview makes the former possibility seem more likely.

ya but he has creative control and apparently deepsixed earlier versions of hte script everyone else liked. he'll find a way to ruin it.

-- s1ocki, Thursday, January 3, 2008 6:42 PM (36 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

let's predict how!

CGI shortround cameo

the big enemy will probably like... tariffs or something.

sidekick racial caricature!

x-post

movie ends with shea leboof getting shot outside opera house, coda set in 1980 has lonely, elderly indy keeling over while holding a bowl of oranges.

what do you think of: indiana jones?

movie ends with shea leboof getting shot outside opera house, coda set in 1980 has lonely, elderly indy keeling over while holding a bowl of oranges.

-- omar little, Thursday, January 3, 2008 8:09 PM (57 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

haha

Tuesdays With Indy

great scene in the Star Wars Episode II DVD extra feature on the sound effects, shot of George Lucas watching rushes of the traffic chase scene with two assistants. he singles out a brief reaction shot of a tentacle-eyed alien scrambling his ship out of the way of oncoming traffic, and says 'wow! funny shot! hey I have an idea, could we get someone to dub in a goofy voice so that the alien is going "WHAT THUH..." as he dives out of the way?' & the two assistants laugh politely, write down his suggestion on a notepad and then they all keep watching

trailer's out...

Okay, I'll give 'em points for The Warehouse.

Really CGIed up by the looks of it, which is unsurprising but still a pity.

I know! I thought the whole idea was they were going to keep clear of that and I watch and all, "Uh."

There's a "lol old indy" joke in the trailer! I don't know if that's a good sign or a bad one.

Indiana Jones and the Very Happy Puppy

it looks like a computer game.

awful trailer

not excited.

there's better jokes + more exciting shit in a random 90 seconds of raisers or last crusade than in that whole trailer

lol raisers

RAIDERS

which is probably why half the trailer is clips of the old movies.

stupid 'put lots of action shit in it' trailer, like people are going to see 'indy iv' on that basis.

also i had been repressing how much i really dont want to see shia labeef in an indiana jones movie

old man indy jokes make sense, since the character has basically always had a crabby old man attitude, but hopefully they won't be super lame like these.

e-mailing with my ex just now:

I hate that smarmy chinless Shia LeBoeuf kid. I think he's underwhelming as a performer and tough to look at. Must Lucas add kids to everything?!

stupid 'put lots of action shit in it' trailer, like people are going to see 'indy iv' on that basis.

you mad. have you seen the numbers those piece of shit National Treasure movies do?

national treasure is like 80% jokes/20% action!!

the proper indy ratio!!

yah i know but this is 'indiana jones' rite.

"it practically sells itself." -- butthead

xpoist

im sort of wondering if my negative reaction to shia lebeouf is based on the fact that i wish i was cast as indy's son

the same reason my girlfriend got all pissed at the girl who played lyra in the golden compass b/c she wished she was lyra

the same reason dr morbius was mad at the producers of the 'grumpy old men' series

i thought harrison seemed awesome...

i basically like shia, he was the only halfway decent thing abt transformers what a piece of shit.

i didn't think the CG seem obtrusive, i liked the basic look of things.

<i>the same reason my girlfriend got all pissed at the girl who played lyra in the golden compass b/c she wished she was lyra

-- max, Thursday, February 14, 2008 6:46 PM (59 seconds ago) Bookmark Link</i>

that girl that played lyra was one of the only decen things about that abortion! she was great, too bad the butchered the book

nah i thought she was great, my chick was in a huff about it and it eventually became clear that she was just jealous

The oddest thing about the trailer was seeing it with the 2000-era fonts/title graphics, otherwise I dug it. CG wasn't in the way, but it was noticeable. Maybe they're still working on that.

Shia was OK in Disturbia too.

Roffles at seeing the Roswell reference in the trailer. Maybe they should have titled this Indiana Jones and the Close Encounter Of The Third Kind

That would be awesome

Indiana Jones and the Great Gray Whale

Indiana Jones and That Chick From Grey's Anatomy

Trailer looks fun and Ford still feels like Indy. As for the CG: It's 2008 and that shit is inevitable. My only gripe is the whole Roswell/Russians/aliens thing. Is this going to be some "Chariots Of The Gods" angle?

Maybe they should have titled this Indiana Jones and the Close Encounter Of The Third Kind

And at the end of it Indiana and everyone get kidnapped by aliens and then Spielberg shoots a new special ending for Close Encounters and it shows Indy stepping out at Devil's Tower with the US Air Force guys and he's all confused and Francois Truffaut steps up and says, "Hello, my real last name is Belloq, you killed my father, prepare to die" and the government forces at the Devil's Tower base are all really Nazis and Richard Dreyfus runs around and chaos ensues.

THERE WILL BE ALIEN BLOOD.

Sequence to end with Indy swinging on his whip over the scene and roundhouse kicking Moby into his DJ gear.

Indiana Jones and the Publish or Perish Problem

I don't think the trailer was that good... Half of is is from the old movies, and the bits from the new one don't give any clue what its plot might be about, except for the Roswell bit.

Indiana Jones and the Withheld Income Tax.

Indiana Jones Falls Into the Medicare Donut Hole

Indiana Jones and the Case of the Missing Spectacles

Indiana Jones and the Lost Treasure of Lord Custos

"But there's nothing HERE, Indy."
"Exactly."

Indiana Jones and the Prune Juice Disaster

lol bcuz hes old

Indiana Jones is Too Old to Care What You Think

Indiana Jones and the Case Of The Missing Shoe

Indiana Jones Boy Detective (1963, ISBN 0-525-67200-1, 1982 reissue ISBN 0-553-15724-8)
Indiana Jones Strikes Again (the Case of the Secret Pitch) (1965, ISBN 0-590-01650-4, second title reissue ISBN 0-525-67202-8)
Indiana Jones Finds the Clues (1966, ISBN 0-525-67204-4)
Indiana Jones Gets His Man (1967, ISBN 0-525-67206-0)
Indiana Jones Solves Them All (1968, ISBN 0-525-67212-5)
Indiana Jones Keeps The Peace (1969, ISBN 0-525-67208-7)
Indiana Jones Saves the Day (1970, ISBN 0-525-67210-9)
Indiana Jones Tracks Them Down (1971, ISBN 0-553-15721-3)
Indiana JonesShows the Way (1972, ISBN 0-553-15142-X)
Indiana JonesTakes the Case (1973, ISBN 0-553-15723-X)
Indiana Jones Lends a Hand (1974, ISBN 0-553-48133-9, reissued as Indiana Jones and the Case of the Exploding Plumbing and Other Mysteries, ISBN 0-590-44093-4)
Indiana Jones and the Case of the Dead Eagles (1975)
Indiana Jones and the Case of the Midnight Visitor (1977, ISBN0-553-15586-5)

the Case of the Exploding Plumbing

waht

haha

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WTF, Tuomas, the jungle scenes with the Mayan warriors and the temple opening up weren't indications enough of the plot?

Haters, that looks bombass. You got what appears to be a fight in the warehouse from Raiders, bros getting chased by angry dudes, Ray Winstone and Indiana Jones about to lay the musters down and alien technology!
It also looks like they've used some kind of filter to build on the 50's sci-fi feel I'm told the film has.

There's a sequence where Mia Farrow gets Indy to boycott the Olympics

indiana jones and the carpal tunnel

of doom

that was a rather awkwardly-put-together trailer.

not feeling the hate though.

not excited - seems much glossier than the other three and the stunts didn't fit in with the Indy lineage very well

But I'll still be there opening day.

ok, terrible trailer, yes: but "glossier"?? is that necessarily a bad thing? i mean does anyone else remember the terrible special fx in last crusade? and "the stunts don't fit in w/ the indy lineage very well"? what does this mean?

"is that necessarily a bad thing?" - YES

Indy never looked like he was starring in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon before.

i mean does anyone else remember the terrible special fx in last crusade?

This IS true.

they were even worse in temple of doom!

Didn't that work well with the gussied-up pulp style?

yeah, it's never been a problem. this series has never been about realism.

Raiders' FX hold up really well though

i mean does anyone else remember the terrible special fx in last crusade?

referring to what? i can't really remember too many special effects, aside from the dude stop-time decomposing at the end (which might be a tiny bit corny, but you know, whatever).

last crusade was awesome; haters STFU

sorry, I'm defensive about my favorite one. Maybe he was talking about when the tank falls off the cliff? I've always really liked the fakiness about that part, it's cinematic.

This new one looks okay. The only straight up awful thing is the alien-looking crystal skull itself. Even if it does turn out to be an actual alien skull, it still looks pretty stupid.

http://playlist.yahoo.com/makeplaylist.dll?sid=58002465&sdm=web&pt=rd

(1080p link)

WTF, Tuomas, the jungle scenes with the Mayan warriors and the temple opening up weren't indications enough of the plot?

Well no, they just indicate that there are Mayan warriors and a temple involved, but the plot is still mostly a mystery. Plus a temple setting in an Indiana Jones film is hardly a surprise, is it?

Okay, maybe the combination of Mayans and Roswell means that the movie will have a Von Däniken type of scenario, like someone suggested upthread. I don't thank that's necessarily a bad thing though, while Von Däniken's books are laughable as "science", I've always thought they'd be nice source material for fiction. I'm not sure how well such a scenario would fit an Indy film though.

The only straight up awful thing is the alien-looking crystal skull itself. Even if it does turn out to be an actual alien skull, it still looks pretty stupid.

Huh? I saw no crystal skull in the trailer?

not in the trailer:

http://www.firstshowing.net/img/indianajones-crystalskull-2.jpg

that was a rather awkwardly-put-together trailer.

-- latebloomer, Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:22 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

i hated it because it doesn't set up the mystery, or dole out plot points. It just feeds you some random shots of Indiana Jones in typically Jonesian moments and expects that to be the catch. It'll work for a certain demographic, but even being part of that age group and knowing I'll be there on opening weekend it was still wtf did Lucas cut this trailer himself?

Okay, I guess the scenario could go like something like this: Indy goes on a mission to discover an item from a Mayan temple, the item turns out to be an alien skull that proves aliens visited earth in the days of the Mayan empire (here's the Von Däniken bit), but the US government wants to silence him because they've come to contact with the same aliens in Roswell, and don't want the world to know about it. But what does the weird female Nazi character have to do with all this? Also, if the plot would really be like that, I think it's a bit too X-Files.

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It's Spielberg who directed the film, like all the others Indy films. Lucas only wrote the basic stories for them.

Lucas had his grubby paws all over this film.

and as long as peoples faces melt off i don't really care how the mayans and commies and aliens fit together.

Yeah, I hope this one will continue the theme that every Indy movie needs to have one cross-out special FX moment. In Raiders it was the melting faces, in Temple of Doom the heart pulled from the chest, and in Last Crusade a melting face again. Maybe someone's heart gets pulled out in this one, then it'd be a perfect symmetry.

in the climax the commies will all get their hearts pulled out but they'll be beating together in rhythm (right?) and the sound will cause the temple to collapse but just as Indiana gives up a tractor beam will shine on him and lift him into the sky. Then a second tractor beam will shine down on his fedora, pinned underneath a pillar and will lift it into the sky as well. One beam will follow the other, through the night sky, across the surface of an oversized full moon, and into the spaceship, which will then shoot off and twinkle as a star in the distance. Fade Out.

i think spielberg's been on a creative roll in the last five or six years and am excited for this even if the trailers a bit ech.

Raiders is the only good Indy movie (and it was brilliant), the other two were just wannabe's and were average at best. Like this one will be.

The title's campy and retarded, it's perfect.

i agree Spielberg's been mostly bangin' since A.I. (fuck off and die the Terminal) but he's made it clear in interviews that this is straight old skool indiana jones romp. He's totally ditching everything he's learned since Schindler's List, which means this could turn out like anything from Raiders of the Lost Ark to Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

'last crusade' was the jam.

Yeah, Last Crusade is just as good if not better than Raiders.

I mean, LC has everything that made Raiders great, plus Sean Connery, plus more scenes with Denholm Elliott. What's not to love?

LC has its moments but the holy grail felt like a cheap retread of religious iconography, Allison Doody is no Karen Allen, Indiana Jones receives his fedora, whip, and fear of snakes all on one crazy day, and the father/son dynamic is akin to putting ewoks in the film. Not to mention when it finally gets to the scene with the grail knight all I can think of is Indy drinking a pepsi and Knight saying "you have chosen.......wisely".

i saw it three times in the cinema, when i was eight -- can't say i noticed the retreading of the religious iconography!

LC was my fave in '89 saw it tons. Then re-viewed it last year and suddenly I felt old. Raiders has proven more bulletproof thank god i still have that at least.

karen allen was hot as balls.

Still is.

haha best retread the new one has going for it.

the father/son dynamic is akin to putting ewoks in the film

Okay, this is were we disagree, I thought the father-son dynamic was one of the best things in LC. It certainly wasn't put there to appeal to younger viewers, like the Ewoks.

Though I do agree that the young Indy bit was mostly useless, except for the bit which illuminated his relationship to his dad.

the young Indy bit was mostly useless, except for the bit which illuminated his relationship to his dad. River Phoenix running around in my favorite National Park.

absolutely correct on this point, tuomas.

Here's an odd story about the MPAA messing with the trailer (WARNING I'm sending you to aintitcool news sorry).

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just watching Raiders again. Such a great film, every scene is a winner.

That whole truck scene, where Indy gets dragged underneath, is still so intense.

And I'd forgotten how eerie the whole religious side of the 'Ark' story was.

Now I really want to watch the Temple and Crusade movies.

Temple of Doom is my favourite and I refuse to apologise.

Seconded.

The final confrontation (YOU BETRAYED SIVA OH NOES!) pales besides the Ark of the Covenant melting the faces of Gestapo agents.

I love Raiders 4evah but still don't understand how he survived submarine ride to Nazi Island

he got into the conning tower

submarine ride to Nazi Island

opening summer '09 at Busch Gardens!

Waht?

http://www.lucasarts.com/img/games/legoindianajones/main.jpg

Are Lego dudes cheaper to render + extra licensing $$$ ?

Rendering anything in lego makes it automatically better. A proven fact.

he's got no nose! how does he smell????????????????????????

AWF-waydaminute, this isn't a trap, right?

You didn't know? I'm more excited about the game than I am about the new film!

Game isn't a Crystal Skull tie in though, it just happens to be coming out around the same time. The game only covers the orignal trilogy.

Butbut why aren't the backgrounds and locations Legofied too?

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Because when you're playing lego Indy Jones in your backyard, the backyard isn't made of lego.

i dunno last time i checked my backyard didn't have a Mayan temple in it.

my parents didn't buy me one when i was a kid:-(

I could've swore this thread had the Cheddar, Beer, Boobs Harrison Ford imdb shop. ;_;

from this year's carnival parade in my hometown (the comment is west-flemish dialect for "no lazy bum for the last 15 years" since that carnival club was 15 years old this year and "legoard", the dialect word for lazy bum, starts with those four letters) - but anyway

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they cheated on the legs

so they ARE lazy after all! well spotted!

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new trailer

pretty shitty new trailer :\

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/04/140_minutes_plu.php

Indiana Jones & the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (Paramount, 5.21) is locked and runs around two hours and twenty-something minutes. Screened for the first time only recently (and apparently due to be shown "internally" once more early next week), the final elements will be sent to the printer next week, in part so the subtitled Cannes version can be prepared in time.

also heard dark knight will be something like 2:45

is there an obsession with giving audiences' their moneys worth, or are they running out of money when it comes time to hire an editor?

i think people just don't know how to tell stories

It's a marvel how tightly structured and fat-free Raiders was.

In comparison to what this will eventually be, that is.

Go see the movie or else they don't get paid. (I can't say this is a prime motivation for me.)

Paramount spent about $185 million to make the movie and will pay at least $150 million to market it worldwide. The studio will earn a distribution fee of 12.5% of the revenue it receives from the film's release in all media, including theaters, DVD and television.

In comparison, 20th Century Fox received a distribution fee of 6% to 8% for releasing Lucas' "Star Wars" movies. Fox's fee was smaller because Lucasfilm finances the "Star War" movies entirely and effectively pays the studio for distribution. Fox earned between $50 million and $75 million per picture, said a person familiar with the finances.

"Crystal Skull" will have to generate around $400 million for Paramount for the studio to make its money back and earn its distribution fee. Only at that point will Lucas, Spielberg, Ford and smaller profit participants, including screenwriter David Koepp, begin collecting their portion.

Paramount will take 12.5 cents from every dollar thereafter, while Lucas and company will earn 87.5 cents.

the crystal skull ALONE cost $45.

Indiana Jones and the QVC Deal

george lucas hawking his own crap on qvc would be pretty hilarious and fitting punishment for all that special edition/prequel crap

i think this one is new?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=h_iAP81EAW0

how could anybody think this movie was gonna be any good

Indiana Jones and the Caravanning Holiday

my expectations for this are low enough by now that i think there's at least a reasonable chance ill come away enjoying it

Indiana Jones and the Plate of Biscuits

Indiana Jones and the Search for Your Childhood

^^ :(

im very much looking forward to the constant tnt rotations of the first three though!

Indiana Jones and the Tea Cosy of Warming

One of my student workers was all excited for it today, so who can say? She sounded pretty impatient.

Indiana Jones and the Comfy Chair

pre-Iron Man trailer has my hopes up. Still turned off by the obvious CGI even in that one.

cgi's the least of the things about this movie that will likely suck

and it doesn't look any worse than the terrible optical f/x in temple of doom or last crusade

Terrible optical effects = charming

Terrible CGI = screw u Lucasfilm

Indiana Jones and the Werther's Originals

x-post

see that's just silly. f/x are f/x. f/x aren't what made the star wars prequels lame. that's just shit people latch onto.

granted, i'd take a ray harryhausen over a faceless ilm keyboard jockey anyday

The effects were a big part of what made them lame. The worst parts of the Spideman movies have been CGI sequences, too.

Movies are a visual medium - when you overload the CGI and make it look like a (bad) video game, that usually takes me out of the experience.

granted, i'd take a ray harryhausen over a faceless ilm keyboard jockey anyday

-- latebloomer, Tuesday, May 6, 2008 2:39 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

^^^ TRUTH BOMB

the problem I have (or think I'll have, based on the trailers) are the parts where CGI takes over for physical stunts in the new one - like the shot where a row of boxes explodes and all the Argentine Nazis go flying back. That looks like shit. Nothing in the old Indy movies looked that bad.

lb otm; the f/x on last crusade are awful but that doesnt prevent it from being an awesome movie; the core problem is that this likely suffers from the same cynicism/out-of-touchness that drove the star wars prequels

^

kind of a shame that nobody involved with this project is quite cynical enough to synch it w/some prime early-80s pop in order to make it the Big Chill Redux bonanza it truly deserves to be - elevate yr game, H'wood, shareholders gotta eat too

the effects aren't even remotely what made the prequels lame

you would have really been into those movies if they'd used stop motion and models?

man, if only i, robot had more matte paintings, that movie woulda ruled!!

It should have been a whole new approach. Retreads almost never work. Audiences will inevitably do what we're doing and pick it apart.

but Lucas has never had a sense for that.

kind of a shame that nobody involved with this project is quite cynical enough to synch it w/some prime early-80s pop in order to make it the Big Chill Redux bonanza it truly deserves to be

Hahah, now I'm imagining Harrison and Shia The Beef crashing through the jungle and then they confront...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/DuranDuran_HungryLikeTheWolf_Screenshot.jpg

"BURNING THE GROUND!"

i dunno, maybe when your looking at a crappy, soulless movie, having all the effects look fakey in the most synthetic way detatches you from the experience even that much more. (not talking about the star wars prequels which actually looked pretty good)

Yeah. Indiana jones worked because all the outlandish scenarios were done in real time, making them look at least remotely real. If you're slapping CG on that it might as well be aliens in space.

or some Michael Bay movie.

faceless ilm keyboard jockey anyday

see, when i look at cgi heavy films, i can't help envisioning some harry knowles looking dude sitting in a darkened room 12 hours a day dressed in shorts and sucking on a big gulp while continuously clicking on a mouse.

ha i remember some behind-the-scenes doc for one of the prequels where lucas was obsessing over getting the ear-wiggle right with the yoda animators. talk about worrying over the wrong things in your movie!

i thought the cgi in the star wars prequels looked totally amazing, and tbh when the films were focusing on FX setpieces like that lightsaber duel in hell or that ocean planet they were great. the problem with those films had everything to do with too many solemn post-amputee luke types and not enough han solos.

i'm mostly interested in seeing this new indiana jones movie for karen allen, at this point.

I was more excited about this before I saw Transformers and the whole experience made me want to punch that Shia dude in the neck over and over.

how you blamed that spectacle on him i do not know.

Caption this photo:

http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2008-05/38536131.jpg

did I ever tell you kids about my days with the Jawas?

how could anybody think this movie was gonna be any good

by hoping that the dominant sensibility will be that of the greatest pop film director of the last 30 years?

the problem I have (or think I'll have, based on the trailers) are the parts where CGI takes over for physical stunts in the new one

Indiana Jones and the Savior of a Lost Art
By TERRENCE RAFFERTY

“THIS is a recreational activity for me” is surely among the last things you’d expect to hear from the director of a huge, costly, dauntingly complex summer action movie as it nears completion, with its release date just a few weeks away.

But that is what Steven Spielberg said not long ago, speaking by phone from a dub stage where he was supervising the sound mixing of “Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull” (opening May 22), the first new installment in 19 years of the crowd-pleasing adventure-movie franchise that began in 1981 with “Raiders of the Lost Ark.” “In 1989,” Mr. Spielberg said, referring to the year “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade” came out, “I thought the curtain was lowering on the series, which is why I had all the characters literally ride off into the sunset at the end. But ever since then the most common question I get asked, all over the world, is, ‘When are you going to make another Indiana Jones?’ ”

It’s a fair guess that theater operators and executives at Paramount Pictures have asked that question at least as frequently as the ticket-buying public has, and perhaps with a shade more urgency: the three Indy pictures — “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom” (1984) was the one in the middle — have raked in well over a billion dollars worldwide from their theatrical releases alone. The anticipation, on the part of both the fans and the suits, falls somewhere between keen and breathless. And for most filmmakers that level of expectation might appear in their clammier dreams as a giant boulder bearing down on them and picking up speed.

“I’m having a great time,” Mr. Spielberg said. And, unlikely though this may seem, you can’t help believing him; he certainly sounds excited, and the secret of the Indiana Jones movies’ success has always been their free-spirited inventiveness, a what-the-hell quality that can’t (or shouldn’t) be faked, even on a gigantic budget.

Weirdly, authenticity — not faking it — is very much on his mind when he makes one of these unabashedly preposterous movies, whose hero (still played by Harrison Ford) is a two-fisted, bullwhip-wielding academic archaeologist zipping around the globe in search of rare mystical artifacts and in the process running afoul of Nazis, creepy human-sacrifice cults and other exemplars of unambiguous, unadulterated evil.

Even by the extremely flexible standards of high-adventure pulp, the Indy pictures are a pretty stern test of the audience’s willingness to suspend disbelief. (At times you feel as if it were hanging, as the hero periodically does, over a mass of writhing, fang-baring snakes, or a river full of famished crocodiles.) The authenticity Mr. Spielberg is concerned with here is something other than the historical realism of, say, “Schindler’s List” or “Munich”; what he wanted to talk about was the physical integrity of the action, of which there is, in an Indiana Jones movie, plenty.

The tone and style of the films derive from the movie serials of the 1930s and ’40s, which Mr. Spielberg, growing up in the ’50s, used to see on Saturday mornings at a revival theater in Scottsdale, Ariz.

“They made a great impression on me, both because of how exciting they were and because of how cheesy they were,” he said. “I’d kind of be involved in the stories and be ridiculing them at the same time. One week they’d give us a cliffhanger with the good guy going off the cliff, the car crashing on the rocks below and blowing up, and then the next week he’s fine. They forgot to show us the cut of the guy jumping out of the car? That we weren’t going to do in the Indiana Jones series.”

In fact, Mr. Spielberg said, he tries to cut as little as possible in these movies’ action sequences, because “every time the camera changes dynamic angles, you feel there’s something wrong, that there’s some cheating going on.” So his goal is “to do the shots the way Chaplin or Keaton would, everything happening before the eyes of the audience, without a cut.”

Warming to the subject, he went on: “The idea is, there’s no illusion; what you see is what you get. My movies have never been frenetically cut, the way a lot of action is done today. That’s not a put-down; some of that quick cutting, like in ‘The Bourne Ultimatum,’ is fantastic, just takes my breath away. But to get the comedy I want in the Indy films, you have to be old-fashioned. I’ve studied a lot of the old movies that made me laugh, and you’ve got to stage things in full shots and let the audience be the editor. It’s like every shot is a circus act.”

And in 1981, in “Raiders of the Lost Ark,” that approach was so old-fashioned it looked new. (It’s difficult to remember now just how stodgy and joyless the action genre had become; even the James Bond movies, reliably sprightly in the ’60s, turned into slow-footed, campy behemoths in the ’70s with entries like “Moonraker.”)

In the 27 years since, practically every action filmmaker has tried to drink from the grail of Indiana Jones, to tap into the movie’s quasi-mystical kinetic (and commercial) power: the pace had to be blindingly fast; the stunts insanely elaborate, the villainy extra-villainous; the hero’s attitude blithe, insouciant, almost sociopathically cool. Mr. Spielberg and George Lucas — who produces the movies and who dreamed up the basic idea of the series — have a lot to answer for.

The sad truth is that the enormous influence of the Indiana Jones films has been a distinctly mixed blessing. Action movies are, over all, a good deal snappier than they were 30 years ago, but they also tend to be a good deal less intelligible. They skimp on the exposition and go straight for sensation, as if cutting to the chase were not a metaphor but literally the cardinal rule of filmmaking. And that’s true not only of the most egregious Indiana Jones knockoffs — the “Mummy,” “National Treasure” and “Lara Croft” movies spring, unwelcomely, to mind — but of nearly every studio picture that features more action than, say, “My Dinner With André.” It’s no accident that movies of this sort, ubiquitous in summertime, are so often blurbed as “thrill rides”: they can be that exhausting, and that pointless.

Pointlessness is, however, in the eye of the beholder. When asked what kind of films he enjoyed most as a boy, Mr. Spielberg replied, simply, “Anything with a lot of movement,” and quite a few of us would say the same. Swift, thrilling motion is the hook that pulls young imaginations into movies, and although your taste might get a tad more refined over the years, vivid, intricate, ingeniously choreographed action can still give you that Saturday-matinee charge of pleasure.

The perilously long and complicated opening sequence of “Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom” for example — in which a song-and-dance number (“Anything Goes,” sung in Mandarin) turns into a wild slapstick action scene involving a diamond, a poisoned drink and an elusive vial of antidote, and ends with Indy and his companions jumping out of a plane in a rubber raft — delivers that sort of giddy, mildly deranging stimulation. The staging and the cutting have the “can you top this?” audacity of a silent comedy, and the timing is slyly impeccable: it’s about the length of a Keaton two-reeler.

It hardly matters that the “Anything Goes” set piece was originally planned for “Raiders of the Lost Ark.” The big action scenes in the Indiana Jones movies are almost risibly inorganic to the narratives that contain them. This kind of randomness is risky — not to be tried at home, or by any filmmaker less prodigiously gifted than Mr. Spielberg. You need a rigorous imagination for visual comedy to make movies as exhilaratingly ridiculous as these.

“John Williams and I have a word we use when we have something we think the audience will love,” Mr. Spielberg said, referring to the composer who has scored all the Indiana Jones movies. “Maybe it’ll be a little over the top, and we ask each other, ‘Are we being too shameless?’ In a way I think we’ve both grown kind of proud of being shameless.”

When the jokes are good, as they frequently are in the Indy pictures, there’s every reason for pride. These goofy movies tell you as much about Steven Spielberg as his more serious work does. Movies truly are a form of recreation for him, and he’s the kind of artist who reveals himself fully in the intensity of his play. In the Indiana Jones movies he revives the spirit of silent comedy in the adventures of an intellectual with a bullwhip. And that’s a feat that, whether you think it’s worth doing or not, at least deserves high marks for degree of difficulty. If only everybody else in Hollywood hadn’t tried to imitate him, he’d have nothing to be ashamed of at all.

Copyright 2008 The New York Times Company

i actually trust that this will be okay because spielberg hasn't made a movie that i thought was anything less than "pretty good" in a long time.

um, the terminal?

GOOD

terminal could have used some bullwhips and karen allen, probably. not that i saw it.

morbius you liked the terminal??? you truly are the weirdest film snob of all time.

Let's just say all three of SS's 9/11 films made United 93 look like the odious shit that it was.

You are totally nuts.

was the Tom Cruise movie a "9/11 film"?

Yes because the ALIENS attack us DOYOUSEE?

"catch me if you can" was about osama bin laden

doing this thread for the 3000th time, Apatovians? bye.

Miss ya!

wotw used some 9/11 style imagery but it wasn't exclusive to that in its references. i thought it was pretty great. munich was good. never saw the terminal, don't plan on it.

WOTW was atmospherically made, but very unsatisfying from a narrative point of view. Terminal is pure shit apart from its mildy amusing first half hour or so.

I can't say I like any of these movies more than the 40 Year Old Virgin.

The Terminal is a giant product placement built around the single most obnoxiously cloying performance in Tom Hanks' career.

war of the worlds and catch me if you can were fantastic.

i never saw munich.

the terminal was not exactly a *good* movie...but i sort of liked it....when i was a kid i was really into the idea that you could find little secret hiding places in big building that maybe you could live in and stuff like that. so i kinda like any movie that has stuff like that.

i also pretty much like any movie that involves a heist or breaking in or out of some top security building via a highly elaborate plan.

Caption this photo:

'Uh oh. Do you kids have any spare Depends?'

he's old : )

i know several ppl in their 60s that don't poop their pants.

so much for hyperbole

hypoopole

zimmerbole

i really liked wotw for the most part, except for the terrible ending revealing the emo-jock son to be a zombie.

enjoyed munich as well.

War Of The Worlds was a deeply weird and flawed movie that was interesting only because of Spielberg. It reminded me a lot of his old Night Gallery episodes (also weird and flawed). Things would have greatly improved if Cruise was killed off midway through and the story focused on the kids. (I don't mean this as generic Cruise hatred, it would have been genuinely shocking and a great story twist)

War Of The Worlds was a deeply weird and flawed movie that was interesting only because of Spielberg

isn't that like saying lolita is only interesting "because of nabokov"?

Indiana Jones and the Unpaid Tax Bill

Actually someone on that youtube link made a good point - the script seems to say the skull is gold, so how come it's crystal in the title?

From Asylum Video, makers of Transmorphers, Snakes On A Train, and Alien vs Hunter:

http://www.theasylum.cc/images/posters/aq_large.jpg

What, no Richard Chamberlain?

Asylum Video FTW

HISTORY'S GREATEST TREASURE
PROTECTED BY THE WORLD'S
MOST DANGEROUS LANIS

that guy looks like he's running around with a bunch of stuff to do.

wow i'd never noticed Club Obi Wan in Temple Doom before yesterday

Me neither!

The Indiana Jones films are totally violent! I never realised that as a kid!

yeah, the title of the film does sorta make me want to listen to Mastodon, even though there are just too many tempo changes going on with them.

If you can get past the first section of this article, I salute you. (I barely made it myself.) But way later on there was this one part I did like, since I do know people like this:

Perhaps it was only ever about the fedora. Indiana Jones wasn't about anything, except the triumph of brown leather jackets, and the way men felt wearing them on their adventuresome, tiresome Casual Fridays. It was about a time when every Banana Republic store had a Jeep parked in it, and palm fronds, and sold chambray oxford shirts. Every office still has that guy who thinks he looks great in a fedora.

"Misogyny! Xenophobia!"

Patricia, you always say that.

http://www.cnr.edu/home/bmcmanus/feminist3.gif

In the mid-90’s, George Lucas proposed an a fourth Indy film called “Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men From Mars.” Jeb Stuart, screenwriter of Die Hard and The Fugitive, was hired to pen the script. An unconfirmed 1995 draft showed up online ten years later, and the story involved an alien artifact which continuously changes possession between Indy, Russian badguys, and aliens from another planet.

IndyFan.com described the story as “convoluted and unbelievable,” and the script ends with an indulgent sappy sequence with Indy marrying the lady linguist who accompanied him throughout the adventure, with a ceremony witnessed by all the living characters from the films including Short Round and Henry Jones, Sr. If that doesn’t sound bad enough, let me say that Indy also encounters crocodiles and pirates on this adventure. You can still find that draft by doing a quick google search.

Ford told EW “No way am I being in a Steve Spielberg movie like that.” Steven Spielberg was also not happy with that idea, and admitted publicly that “There was a point where I thought George and I would never agree on the story.” It took more than a decade to come up with a screenplay that Ford, Spielberg and Lucas were all willing to settle on.

On What has changed from Then to Now:

“It was the three of us, Steven, George and I, coming to agreement on the central notion of it all,” Ford explained. “I think the original idea is still a large piece of it in the movie, but it’s been developed and worked on in ways that made it a lot more palatable to Steven and I.”

Lucas told the AP: “The MacGuffin of it slowed down a little bit from what my original enthusiastic version was. Again, that’s the way it works with Steven and Harrison and I. We’re not going to do anything anyone’s uncomfortable with. We want to do something everybody likes, we in the group, the three of us. They wanted to go off on some other tangent. I said, ‘I’m not going to do that. I’m going to stick with this no matter what, so we either do this or we don’t. That’s it.’ Finally, we got something that we could all compromise on and all be happy with. It wasn’t quite as wacky as I wanted it to be, but it still is subtle and nice and works really well and has the same idea behind it.”

my original enthusiastic version

On a saner note, a pretty good Karen Allen interview/story.

seeing this tomorrow morning.

Come back alive!

good luck, lol.

Turan liked it.

i don't think he "liked" it as much as wasn't too put off with it. There's not a lot of high praise in the blurb.

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/images/column/52008/indybonk1.jpg

caption this photo

"it was your turn to man the drool cup."

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20080518/capt.273b257ebd544c229772a1d600e99350.cannes_indiana_jones_premiere_can203.jpg?x=400&y=296&sig=VKPm9o91mskswY_BORI1bQ--

http://film.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/Critic_Review/Guardian_review/0,,2280880,00.html

hey ho.

Dargis from Cannes: It bored me out of my mind

did you know this movie ends up being an elaborate metaphor for ILX?

or at least, what they're looking for does.

Indiana Jones and the Troll-Blocking Software

obviously i would say more about the movie if i could.

can you say whether you "liked" or "disliked" it?

let's just say we're not dealing with a phantom menace situation here.

:)

Instead it's an M. Night situation oh wait.

the crystal skull is the single object that effortless summarises the the spirit of ILX

in a way, it does.

SPOILER

climactic scene involves audience expecting crystal skull to make everyones head explode but instead everyone just sits there numb

/SPOILER

It has the mysterious power to force clicking "New Answers" 7 times a minute.

trawls through old threads to c&p 'hilarious' posts

is the server.

Helps cranky indie kids get laid.

what have i started here?

a picture thread would be cool here.

i just gave up photoshopping ned onto a crystal skull. glass is a difficult medium.

Oh dear.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f325/caek/crystalskull.jpg

:-D

indiana jones and the kingdom of the crystal emoticon

About accurate.

Hunter age 3 as sidekick.

'They're amassing! Hunter, you go behind that tree and distract them.'

'UH'

So, any reports from the field?

I saw it last night. Overlong and convoluted but still charming.

i guess i can say now, that while it wasn't amazing, i generally liked it, spielberg still has his touch for hokey exciting set pieces, karen allen was nice to see again, some fun moments and in general so much better than the star wars prequels.

Ford is still great in the role. Didn't seem as old as I thought he would.

theoretically that could describe any of the ij movies so im starting to have kind of high hopes for this xps

ya, plot stuff so pointlessly convoluted i just stopped paying attention

xxpost Yes! Way better than the Star Wars prequels.

i mean, not even in the same league as them, whatever problems you might have with this.

Cool to hear all that -- how'd Shia the Beef do?

climax kind of meh.

shia was totally fine, didn't blow me away or anything but didn't annoy me either.

I have to admit that after the applause died down when the Lucasfilm logo appeared I may have yelled out "Jar Jar".

hahaha

Shia was OK in Disturbia too.

More like shiturbia. Good lord what a pile of dung that movie was.
Also I think I hate Shia almost as much as Julia Roberts and Leo DiCaprio combined.

(In fact based on my hatred of past films I saw, I think I will visit the film threads on ILX a bit more. Somehow I think my hatred of films will fit right in...)

Oh yeah we're gonna go see the film on saturday. HURRAH

Indiana Jones and the baby parade
Indiana Jones hates boys (and gym)
Indiana Jones and the secret of Susan
Indiana Jones & Whitney, friends forever.
Indiana Jones, Queen of the Seventh Grade

was very mixed, and i'm a super-big indy fan. way, way, way too much exposition, and kinda drags in the middle. action sequences still great. shia totally likeable. i felt like marion was almost an afterthought - great to see her, but there was zero chemistry or development of their relationship. john hurt drove me batshit crazy, and indy seemed weirdly tired for a lot of it. climax fucking terrible.

overall, though, far from a disaster: more-or-less fun, with some big problems, which are impossible to explain without significant spoilers.

indy seemed weirdly tired for a lot of it.

Past his bedtime.

slocki totally otm about this movie.

pretty awful.

pretty awful script.

Spoilers: kinda

Fat man - ambition - need gold (tired old character type)
Plot - not convoluted but extremely simplistic.
Shia and Meryl - no poo clouds and no fireworks either
Enemies - couldn't hate them or feel anything for them. really static
The film didn't give much reason to care about any of the characters besides the fact that they are parts of really cool action sequences (some of which were over the top)
Mayan idea - cool

So basically the main complaints are that the characters really didn't do anything for me, and the plot didn't have awesome twists or creepy enemies, or hitler, or a great ending. I wanted darker and grosser stuff, not lush amazon landscapes and a cave scene that reminded me of national treasure 2. The script, was agreeably awful. The things they could have done with Mayan shit could have been hundred times more awesome

However, it's good to know that the media is preparing the world for when the aliens do come sometime within the next decade (if they aren't already here).

and all the cgi took it out of the charming old-fashioned IJ world and placed it squarely in the shitty modern one.

xp

I think every scene of every one of the first 3 movies was better than every scene in this movie. But the action was kinda cool so I guess you all should go see it.

GROWING UP SUX

yeah i didn't go to watch a damn superfriends. marion &indy's wacky tete-a-tete 0/10, what the f@ck was this movie about

winking at fans

even did that hamfistedly and inconsistently. his hard luck charm got sapped and subsumed by the cgi heroics. did he even have a reaction to the events of the film's climax? i seriously can't remember.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080523/film_nm/russia_indianajones_dc

possible SPOILERS so....

i had fun. but perhaps to be honest... pulling out all the same IJisms left little that wasn't cliche for a 4th time around. shia's character dev was fine. marion and indy could've used a little more.

the anticlimax feeling at the end imho could've been better. give ruskies more psych powers. show them subjugating locals to communism. (instead of sort of appropriately mocking the red scare) the bad guys weren't dangerous enough. even tho sufficiently advanced tech is magic, for some reason, the ark/kali/voodoo/grail artifacts of various GODs were much more potent than the power in the 4th. instead were sort of thrust into a real post-ww2 scenario where the mysticism of the world is on the wane, the magic is gone, and we're left with the brutalism of reality instead of the romanticism of the early age.

yesterday's myths were more sexy than today's. eh?

Saw this tonight. Enjoyed it. Hated the cgi shia bits. Liked the two shots where shit hits the camera(the ak47 being tossed and knocking it and ant goop splattering the lense). Got pissed at shia standing on the prow of the duck boat complaining how the bad guys were getting away, and almost yelled "there's a .50 cal machine gun right behind you, you stupid fuck!" at the screen, but didn't.

I liked all the 50's sci-fi bits; mind control, psi-powers, russians, etc. Somebody(either in the onion or elsewhere on some blog) mentioned that this made a better x-files movie than an indy movie, and I think i agree. I was also waiting for a more overt reference to the alien being the same ones from Close Encounters.

Monkey attacks are always nice.

Shia and Meryl - no poo clouds and no fireworks either

meryl?

indy seemed weirdly tired for a lot of it.

dude, he's old, so they kinda played with that.

i liked the movie a lot. the ending was a bit meh (not that well executed) but all in all i really loved it.

being a total dork and ufo folklore aficionado, i liked the alien bits.

Meh. It didn't help that I didn't catch the cues at the beginning of the film. :-( I'm a total dork in denial.

So much fun, this. Once the WEIRD opening scenes were dispensed with it hit its stride.

i was happy they went with the whole alien astronauts thing

A SPACESHIP?

A WEDDING?

THAT'S IT??

FUCK OFF!!

Didn't every Star Wars movie ever end with a spaceship and a wedding?

Luke Skywalker didn't need no comb.

i'm sure he used a space comb

First half-hour I kept thinking about how old Ford is, and how for all the key blows and bunches he had his back to us, but then I got into it.

Yeah, he looked incredibly geriatric in those first few scenes. They really should have shown him in his suit and tie at university first, including that dialogue about him being 200 yrs old, then gone all superhero with his wardrobe.

wouldn't work. Like all Bond flicks, you need an opening action sequence
(pre-credits or not) to get everybody into it and amped up, before you pull back and do teh character work.

i do feel a bit disappointed they didn't do a full "last scene of a previous, unrelated adventure" opening. make that super-disappointed.

Spoiler alert

I enjoyed it a lot but it really needed a comic foil to Indy like Marcus Brody in the earlier films. I suppose Ray Winstone filled that role to an extent but not really knowing whether he was a goody or baddy inhibited that function. Plus he never had any great comic lines too.

But Marcus Brody wasn't really comic a foil until the Last Crusade...

this seriously lacked Short Round

http://content.ytmnd.com/content/7/4/1/74188de9b76ab404f9562ede1c085534.jpg

no time for love, dr jones

the digital marque above to the theater door read indiana jone... - oh so close just remove on of those dots! also buffy the vampire slayer was sitting right in front of me. dudes getting eaten by ants and blanchett were the best parts.

blanchett totally foxy

I enjoyed this film. Spielberg is still getting us ready for "contact day".

Found this excruciatingly disappointing, but I enjoyed it nonetheless. Nothing wrong with the story, aliens, Russians, etc -- but the script was disappointing. I seem to remember Last Crusade being full of great Stoppardian zings (memory could be tricking me here), but this one seemed tired, too full of corny "here's one for the trailer" lines.

I actually liked the CGI-swinging-with-monkeys bit, though, imagining all the "that was awseome/no, that was so lame" conversations we would have had as 11-year-olds in the schoolyard.

Having seen the first 3 films over the last few weeks, I'd say it was on a par with them. Though, to be honest I wouldn't notice a Stoppardian zing if it bit me on the arse.

Well, I'm quite happy to say it's clearly not as good as the first three, but it was nonetheless fun, and wonderfully un-obnoxious for a modern day action pic.

Not to carp again, though, but did anyone feel Spielberg's action beats were slightly off this time for a few of the scenes? Which was odd, considering how terrifying a lot of "War of the Worlds" was.

And having said that, the beat for the jocks vs. greasers fight in the diner was just perfectly timed.

One of the worst movies I've seen ever.

Stop drinking the Kool Aide, people. This sucked. Go rent the original three for good movies.

Well, it sucked, but it didn't Phantom Menace suck.

God - this shouldn't have been made. So many things wrong with this film but it mainly comes down to, for me, the fact that Lucas should be kept away from movies. He and his CGI minions. What a potentially ok Indiana Jones film (because there were little flashes of the old spirit, esp. when Ford was left on his own or with another adult onscreen) reduced to, among other things, a CG shitstorm. And let's not get into the clunker-filled script, cheesy fight scenes and excess of characters cluttering up the screen.

This movie should be over by now.

This was fun. Most of you people don't deserve movies.

I seriously did post my previous comment while watching the movie. I got a bit tired after the fourth 'let's figure out what we have to unlock HERE' moment in the last half-hour/seven days (choose as appropriate).

I find myself agreeing with everyone's positive comments and negative comments simultaneously. I conclude that this makes me a resultant paste.

this blew

PRAIRIE DOGS

(xp) you blew

This was fun, about on par with The Last Crusade. Iron Man was better, though.

I'm going to disagree on that - the intro alone to Last Crusade was more charming than this was. It's not even nostalgia talking, since I just saw that again a week ago.

But I'm not gonna say Crystal Skull was outright horrible, because it wasn't. It was merely an okay action flick with one mildly amusing and ridiculously long car chase scene and brief, hopeful glimpses of the old Indy (like when he sees Marion again for the first time). It's not remotely comparable to parts one or three, though.

should i give this a miss then?

Walk, don't run. And slow walk at that.

fine i'll just wait till it's 'available on the internet'

I just saw all of the originals again as well and I think a lot of you are far more nostalgic than I am.

Hm. After two days, I think I'm finally ready to admit this was a really, really terrible movie. Or at least if not an outright terrible movie, a terrible missed opportunity.

come on, it wasn't nearly that bad.

maybe i'm just relieved that lucas didn't fuck it up as bad as star wars but i enjoyed some of this film.

So was I the only one that thought the interdimensional portal or whatever it was in the saucer looked like the ceiling fan in the Fizzy Lifting Drinks sequence in Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory? If only those Russians had burped.

Yes, you are the only one.

Yay me.

I mean, I left for a bathroom break while they were working their way down to the control room and I still was engaged with this movie, moreso than half of the people on this thread it seems (nb like hell am I reading this whole thread, fuck that noise).

Come on, it wasn't nearly that bad.

I didn't mind the sci-fi stuff, or the Jungle Hunt sequence, or the CGI. The main problem -- apart from the extraneous characters, over-expositionary dialogue, and utterly nonsensical ending -- is that there's isn't enough Harrison Ford in it!

He seems to kind of disappear in the last hour -- there's too much Winstone and John Hurt eyeball rolling and so forth. I mean, you wait 20 years for an Indiana Jones movie, and there's hardly any Indiana Jones in it.

uh, waht

it was okay.

i dunno...had some parts but too much CG.

it's weird for being the dude that sort of made CG the industry standard with ILM, lucas's movies don't seem to be able to use it very well.

You know, I felt the same way -- when it was over I had this nagging feeling Indy hadn't even been in it.

Yeah -- it's more like it's a group quest picture, and one of the group is Indiana Jones.

the fact that there's five of them for the last hour, along with Marion constantly smiling and Blanchett as a not-very-intimidating villain, made it feel like a theme park ride as opposed to, y'know, a thriller.

Now that I think of it, did Blanchett's character and/or thugs manage to kill anyone/anything over the course of the entire film?

They wiped out all those guard post guys at the start, that counts for something!

Blanchett was fine, but I felt like the beefy-looking second-in-command guy needed more fleshing out, like he needed to do something really EVIL early on in the movie to make you hate him more (aside from gunning down a bunch of soldiers off screen). When the inevitable punishment occurs at the end, you're just kind of "oh right, he's gone then."

dude, but that one villain from the 2nd movie ripped out a dude's HEART. that was badass. all blanchett did was sword fight with a pipsqueak.

this was totally lame. sowwy.

Also, I guess Nazis are just more easy to hate!

If Blanchett had been a man, I feel like that might have been one of the most homophobic screen characters of all time.

i definitely think nazis are far easier to hate, plus blanchett kind of had a cool haircut.

But the bad guys in these movies NEVER kill a lot of people!

Srsly, go back and count up the on-screen body counts racked up by the enemies in all four movies (not the supernatural forces in 1/3/4, just the human enemies) and you'll see that Indy & co kill something like a bazillion times more people than the people he's competing against.

Also, I don't think you were supposed to outright hate Cate Blanchett's character; these movies never make you outright hate the female villain.

I don't get all the CG hate, there really wasn't that much in there (and there were a lot more old fashioned effects than you'd get in any other film these days). What there was wasn't particularly badly done. And in fact, there was one fairly shonky shot (the aerial view of the graveyard) which was a model, but a model which looked like it'd been made by somebody who hasn't made any other models for the last 15 years. I actually thought "pff, should've just CG'd that".

Some bits of dialogue seemed a bit weird (especially a couple of early Indy lines which didn't sound like the kind of things old-Indy would've said. But overall I thought it was great fun.

is this likely to be a completely different film on DVD?

I was only disappointed I didn't have to stand in line to see this. There were only about 5 people in the audience. (It was twelve noon on Memorial Day, mind.)

especially a couple of early Indy lines which didn't sound like the kind of things old-Indy would've said

Yeah, that brought me up a bit. Hard to put my finger on, though.

is this likely to be a completely different film on DVD?

-- DG, Tuesday, May 27, 2008 6:27 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

like a different cut? that's unlikely.

Anyone have any particular thoughts on the music this time out? I gotta say nothing really stood out for me beyond 'oh yeah, there's the theme.'

Its hard to put words to it, but it just wasn't as cohesive as the other three. All of them had their shortcomings as movies, sure, but they were never meant to be more than modern paens the serial films of Lucas/Speilberg's past. This latest one just seemed disjointed - like a collection of things that SHOULD be cool together, but just weren't.

For my money, the scenes like (a) the drinking scene in Nepal (b) the dinner scene at Pangkot Palace and (c) the library scene in Venice were of a type not seen in the fourth - explication through inclusion in the script. The only thing that approached this was the malt shop conversation b/t Shia and Indy.

Overall, meh...not really terrible, but not really good, either.

like a different cut? that's unlikely.

-- s1ocki, Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:40 PM (2 minutes ago)

i was thinking they might put out a modest 25 disc box set with about 10 different cuts and commentaries by everyone who lived in california while they were filming

The only CG I liked was the "Indy under a mushroom cloud" scene. It was actually kind of lovely. Couldn't they afford to go to a real jungle, though? Whoever still thinks bluescreens+CGI >>>> An Actual Location (or An Actual Monkey) is bananas (heh.)

you'll see that Indy & co kill something like a bazillion times more people than the people he's competing against

i think the audience's understanding of the history of the 30s and 40s is meant to stand in a bit here

ps is anything made of blanchett's supposed hardcore stalinism? or is this completely ideology free? it was the theological and political richness that made 1 and 3 such great movies, imo

I was thinking about how they would have done the monkey/tarzan thing in the previous movies:

1. It would have been a single real monkey who inspires shia to use the vines (and who becomes a cute character for the scene).
2. It would have been Indy himself and not his annoying kid.

But of course now it has to be Indy's kid who joins 10,000 monkeys on a several mile vine swing to attack the bad guys.

Also, at the end, what was up with the alien? It just kind of made this mean face at Cate Blanchett. I thought it was going to stick it's toungue out at her.

Also, Russians aren't as good at being bad guys. They should have made it into an alternate history or something.

Or obviously, still fighting nazi's who are trying to take over the world again.

"...and so you see, Dr. Jones, your beloved 'Ike' is actually Stalin's son!"

ps is anything made of blanchett's supposed hardcore stalinism?

She marvels that the aliens' have a "collective hive mind"

ha! awz ok i can't wait for this now

I was amused at the one bit of backstory that comes up re: Pancho Villa which clearly translates as 'could you all please go and buy the Young Indiana Jones box set?'

it was the theological and political richness that made 1 and 3 such great movies, imo

I think you mean the absence of such in ToD is what made it the best.

One thing I did appreciate (maybe a product of CGI) was more of a tactile influence of the Tintin and Corto Maltese books. Bodes well for the future.

and what I mean is:
Tintin influence: way characters crouch, bend of ankles, etc
Corto influence: framing of dialogue scenes and esp. caractiures of Blanchett and John Hurt's roles.

For my money, the scenes like (a) the drinking scene in Nepal (b) the dinner scene at Pangkot Palace and (c) the library scene in Venice were of a type not seen in the fourth - explication through inclusion in the script. The only thing that approached this was the malt shop conversation b/t Shia and Indy.

the only other part like this there was, was the interrogation scene with the janitor from scrubs...i wish they would have made more about the mccarthyism stuff...i sort of like how the nuke scene and then the interrogation scene set indy up as sort of a man out of time, a relic from a more heroic age, they could have played that up more instead of just letting it drop i thought.

I was thinking about how they would have done the monkey/tarzan thing in the previous movies:

They wouldn't have. That scene was rampant Ewokism.

So you guys didn't notice the token black students sprinkled through his class and on the campus?

They're significant as being the only blacks in teh Indyverse to appear since the freighter captain in Raiders.

So you guys didn't notice the token black students sprinkled through his class and on the campus?

Believe me I noticed.

Also, what precisely is meant by "explication through inclusion in the script"? I've thought about that some more and it strikes me as a somewhat meaningless thing to say seeing as these are movies that use a script to tell a story and therefore by definition every plot advancement you see on the screen is "explication through inclusion in the script".

(Another point is, much like every JW score that isn't "Star Wars", I couldn't sing the tune to anything but the main theme in any of these movies if you paid me so I don't get the unmemorable score criticism.)

True enough re: score (and JW's general memorability, though I'll also allow for the Superman theme and Jaws at least), I guess I was expecting a little something more anyway. Maybe much like the movie!

If only there was more Corto Maltese in this. Captain Katanga (sp?) and his crew in Raiders always felt right out of CM for me.

As far as "rampant Ewokism" - lol!- is concerned, I guess Lucas will never shake that out of his system.

She marvels that the aliens' have a "collective hive mind"

-- sexyDancer, Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:07 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

that what i was on about upthread when i said the movie was a metaphor for ilx

(Another point is, much like every JW score that isn't "Star Wars", I couldn't sing the tune to anything but the main theme in any of these movies if you paid me so I don't get the unmemorable score criticism.)

-- HI DERE, Tuesday, May 27, 2008 7:32 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^ this

just happy they brought back the main themes, unlike SW prequels

Also, what precisely is meant by "explication through inclusion in the script"? I've thought about that some more and it strikes me as a somewhat meaningless thing to say seeing as these are movies that use a script to tell a story and therefore by definition every plot advancement you see on the screen is "explication through inclusion in the script".

Oh, Lord, here comes Taxonomy Perry....

What I meant would have been more precisely put as "explication through inclusion in the script, as opposed to 'Hay! Now we're in the Amazon runnin' from antz! Now we're in an old temple, runnin' from murderous brown guys! Now shit's spinnin'!'"

It just seemed to me that, in the previous Indy movies, there were more stopovers, if you will, on the ultimate path of the movie, those scenes being the particular examples that spring to mind. Whereas, in this one, it was a red line to a chase scene to a CGI fest to another chase scene to "Shit's spinning!"

So, put more succinctly, explication by inclusion, as opposed to, at best, implication or, more frequently, exclusion.

ending did kind of suck

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Basically, it sort of spins from one crazed scene to the next without any particular rhyme or reason, wheres Raiders and Last Crusade at least have the semblance of an over-arching plot.

Temple of Doom is of course 100% crazed random shit, but the show pieces are so good, it doesn't really matter there.

wtf, did you guys watch a completely different movie from me or was my bathroom break actually crucial to the movie making sense?

If anything, I thought this movie had MORE explanatory expository passages than the other three movies, largely to show that Indy had turned into a gigantic windbag in his old age. See, for example:

- The first half of the opening sequence.
- The malt shoppe conversation.
- The conversation while walking the streets of Peru.
- The conversation in the sanitorium.
- The conversation in the tomb.
- The conversation in the tent.
- The conversation in the not-quicksand.
- The conversation in the cave leading to the temple.
- I am assuming there was a conversation in the treasure room; that's where I ducked out for my bathroom break.
- The conversation on top of the temple after the showdown.

I don't see how you can seriously assert that there was nothing linking the action sequences together unless maybe you are a very specific, targeted narcoleptic.

i'm booking my seat now for next year's star trek 11 thread

But the conversations are effectively only setting up the ground rules for the next five minutes of the movie (i.e. until the next exposition-heavy conversation) -- it still feels rather randomly connected to me: episodic, rather than progressive.

In Last Crusade, there's a nice circularity to the narrative. It's a whole story. In this new film, it totally switches gears about halfway through -- and could've gone in several different directions.

Actually, my brain is going in several different directions trying to explain what i mean.

I still liked the monkeys though!

is it a predator ship?

The conversation while walking the streets of Peru.
- The conversation in the sanitorium.
- The conversation in the tomb.

I don't know, I thought this followed almost exactly the structure of The Last Crusade, only the opening scene was more connected to the final confrontation than normal.

This movie seemed 1000x more coked out than Temple Of Doom .

Is this good brainless fun?

Compare and contrast Monkey Scene with Leopard scene in Harold And Kumar Go To White Castle . I want your answers by Thursday. Quiz on Friday.

xpost almost.

Is this good brainless fun?

Yes.

just be careful so your brain won't disappear into the "space between spaces"

There was so much exposition in this movie, but I still dont really have any idea what it was about.

But the conversations are effectively only setting up the ground rules for the next five minutes of the movie (i.e. until the next exposition-heavy conversation) -- it still feels rather randomly connected to me: episodic, rather than progressive.

This captures what I've been trying to express, and, in doing this, maybe Lucas and Speilberg achieved their goal of a giant homage to the serial thrillers of yesteryear.

I greatly prefer the heightened continuity that I percieved in the other three.

As a point of fact, I would say that the Temple of Doom has the GREATEST continuity of story of the four. After the initial drop from Lao Che's cargo plane onto the southern slope of the Himalayas, and subsequent 2.5 mintue inflatable sled ride to Southern India, that shit takes place within relative close proximity, without any big skips in time or space. No random-ass trips to Nepal, or Cairo, or Venice or South America - just straight India.

Is this good brainless fun?

Probably. I was disappointed, as were both of the people who came along with me to see it, but I guess it could have been worse.

All you guys who were "disappointed" -- I mean, what did you expect from a sixtysomething leading man, a series taken out of mothballs, and a director who still knows how to assemble an action scene? It sounds like it mostly MET expectations.

Perhaps similarly, I'm at my parents' house in Tennessee and I'm disappointed at the size of the old pear tree. It looks tiny.

Generally speaking, "continuity of story" means "does not contradict itself", not "no breaks in time between scenes".

just be careful so your brain won't disappear into the "space between spaces"

roffle

If it was a metaphor for ILX then those tribesmen Indy and company met = "TURN BACK YOU POXY FULE"

Generally speaking, "continuity of story" means "does not contradict itself", not "no breaks in time between scenes".

Contradiction is not the only thing that can derail continuity, Mr. Perry. Comprehensibility of plot lines is another.

And OBVIOUSLY I don't want to see every stinking minute of the trans-continental flights and days-long slogs through the jungle, but the LAST three pulled it off better. As in , the breaks were better engineered.

I'm with Dan on this. What d'you people want, blood? It's a freaking Lucas/Spielberg production. Also it's 20 years on, narrative techniques have progressed, everyone's got hair loss and sensible shoes, of course it's going to be different.

Oh, be with Dan. This movie fell far short of the other three on so many levels, it would take repeated viewings to do the list justice, and I ain't giving up any more of my hard-earned money to go watch that prattle again.

Narrative techniques have progressed. Not well enough.

Hey, I did point out it's a Lucas/Spielberg production. This is like expecting Matthew Reilly to write a decent book.

Hey, I did point out it's a Lucas/Spielberg production. This is like expecting Matthew Reilly to write a decent book.

This is true.

The thing is, of the first three movies, the first one is the only one that isn't completely ludicrously stupid in some fundamental way. They're all enjoyable (much like this most recent one is enjoyable) but there's so much unnecessary nonsense and totally cringeworthy bullshit in 2 and 3 that the cringeworthy bullshit in 4 fits right in.

^ utterly OTM

agreed

Not that he doesn't have his own flaws, but the answer might just be Lawrence Kasdan as screenwriter (sure he was working from whatever Lucas and Spielberg cooked up for Raiders even so -- see also what he did for Empire Strikes Back).

The thing is, of the first three movies, the first one is the only one that isn't completely ludicrously stupid in some fundamental way. They're all enjoyable (much like this most recent one is enjoyable) but there's so much unnecessary nonsense and totally cringeworthy bullshit in 2 and 3 that the cringeworthy bullshit in 4 fits right in.

Alright, so we've established that we both think Raiders is the best of the four...how would you rank the other three?

I would go Raiders>Last Crusade>Temple of Doom>>>>>Skulls

Raiders >> Last Crusade = Crystal Skull > Temple of Doom

Up until about 3 weeks ago ToD would have been #2 but seeing it again right before this one pointed out some really hideous flaws, like say all of the blatant racism.

To mildly understate!

all of the blatant racism

Oh, whatever. Its a period piece.

I kid, I kid.

lolz

Really I like Last Crusade a tiny bit more than Crystal Skulls but I couldn't find a tiny greater-than character.

I was amused at the one bit of backstory that comes up re: Pancho Villa which clearly translates as 'could you all please go and buy the Young Indiana Jones box set?'

maybe if you are the type of nerd who actually even remembers that show existed?

most of you people are insane, except dan. pretty typical!

haha hi dere

me no step on fortune cookie doctah jones

maybe if you are the type of nerd who actually even remembers that show existed?

Hooray!

So the schef, did you think Karen Allen lived up to expectations this time out?

lived up to the expectations i had for this movie, yes.

This is the first Indy movie I've ever seen, and it was way fun! Totally dug it.

will Shia suffer the River Phoenix curse of playing a young Jones?

the curse of... SEAN PATRICK FLANERY

Trapped in a living hell!

as you know, TV doesn't count.

You don't count being in TV as a living hell? That's not like you.

The thing is, of the first three movies, the first one is the only one that isn't completely ludicrously stupid in some fundamental way. They're all enjoyable (much like this most recent one is enjoyable) but there's so much unnecessary nonsense and totally cringeworthy bullshit in 2 and 3 that the cringeworthy bullshit in 4 fits right in.

-- HI DERE, Wednesday, May 28, 2008 3:03 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

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