Give it a rest with Achewood, okay?

chillax pat

Also, it sucks.

I enjoy this request, but at not certain to what extent I can restrain myself into applying it.

This is like when I was six and my dad made it a rule that I couldn't talk about Dragon Quest in the same room or car as him. This lead to me quietly drawing a lot of Dragon Quest characters on car trips and in church.

Longer Dan Perry: MAN WHY YOU EVEN GOT TO DO A THING

haha I should have started this thread at noon

This is also like when my dad refused any longer to allow me to read every single strip in a Bloom County compendium to him. ("and then,,,and then....hahahahahaha...and then, okay, and THEN see, Steve Dallas? Is shaving? In the bathroom? and, and, okay?")

ENOUGH, OKAY. My dad doesn't find Calvin & Hobbes funny, either -- as far as he's concerned Calvin is an ungrateful self-centered head-in-the-clouds who is careless with objects and possessions that were purchased/procured for him by others.

sorry ;_____;

wo that is a super depressing take on Calvin & Hobbes

hey perry, why don't you stay the fuck out of everybody's face until you got the fuckin' juice to get a job where they give you a chair

oh you mean calvin is a SIX YEAR OLD

laurel's dad is the opposite of OTM

I do not understand the appeal of this "Achewood" thing.

LOL I OLD ;_;

gay-chewood, morelike

i'm old and i like achewood

Dear Editors,

I am writing because I find the behavior displayed in your paper by the dog "Marmaduke" to be wholly unacceptable, nay, verging on the dangerous.

This dog is never corrected, disciplined or punished. The message sent is that it is comical or even "cool, man" to let one's animal go completely to seed.

Were I in charge of a dog like "Marmaduke", I would have no recourse to have it put down; I ask now that you do the same with this most unworthhy feature of your paper.

Yrs & c,

Jonathan Patrick Lewis (mrs.)

achewood backlash :( :( :(

ilx in constantly harping and obsessing over something good to the point of making that something good seem not so good anymore non-shocker.

see also: the wire thread.

"harping"

"obsessing"

yes, harping, obsessing.

Mr Que is like 68, right?

I think Achewood can be funny but I would rather focus our attention on more important things, like the results of googling "Geir Hongro bangbus".

(lol find/replace "Dr. Morbius" --> "Mr. Que") (even though I think he might be younger than me)

you don't have to click on the threads!

Someone explain *ahem* Bangbus to me.(if you don't know what Bangbus is then I recommend that you keep it that way, ... Geir Hongro (llamasfur), Monday, 7 October 2002 07:39 (4 years ago) Link ...

Mr Que is like 68, right?

Close. Divide by 2 and you will be very close.

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=EGLC,EGLC:2007-20,EGLC:en&q=Geir+Hongro+antelope

is this the new googlewhack?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=EGLC%2CEGLC%3A2007-20%2CEGLC%3Aen&q=Geir+Hongro+zither&btnG=Search

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=EGLC%2CEGLC%3A2007-20%2CEGLC%3Aen&q=Geir+Hongro+felching&btnG=Search

^^^^^^^ kudos

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=EGLC%2CEGLC%3A2007-20%2CEGLC%3Aen&q=Geir+Hongro+soulsucking+robot

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=EGLC%2CEGLC%3A2007-20%2CEGLC%3Aen&q=Geir+Hongro+beelzebub&btnG=Search

yeah noodle is the winner already though.

ah que you cheated ;_;

We should devise some sort of "Six Degrees of Geir" game.

More like 103 Degrees, cuz we got Hongro Fever!!!

I signed some receipts as Ray Smuckles last week.

I don't think my dad was ever six years old, is kind of the thing. I'm not even sure he was six when he WAS six.

hstencil is right even though he said "non-shocker" (which has always seemed stupid to me since the whole deal with the "shocker" thing is the implied sarcasm)

this comic is pretty entertaining sometimes. I think the part that weirds me out about its hardcore fans is how hyper-consumerist they are about the shit ton of merch the website sells. I mean, I respect the guy's business savvy for selling all those signed strips and basically offering any kind of product a reader might want, but there are people on this board practically bragging about how much they've spent on a slightly hipper version of Garfield w/ suction cup paws.

http://img27.picoodle.com/img/img27/9/10/8/f_dangwoodm_924272b.jpg

wau

I bow down to your greatness

you have made this thread a thing

OMG

hi guys!

That's a special thing!

that's dan perry.

i don't know him.

i don't know dan perry.

there are people on this board practically bragging about how much they've spent on a slightly hipper version of Garfield w/ suction cup paws.{

Guilty as charged :( Can you just put it down to enthusiasm/embarrassment?

it's not even very funny

I am 44, have never spent a penny on Achewood merch, and don't expect I ever will. AND I FUCKIN' LOVE ACHEWOOD, AND IF PEOPLE START THREADS ABOUT ACHEWOOD ON ILX, I POST ON THEM. So sue me.

i hope yr mother's proud of you

She's a "shut-in Aspie rube" too, so yeah, she is.

OK so Mr. Que (to whom I am married btw) keeps telling me I have have have to read the achewood.

1) should I read this strip y/n
2) explain answer to above in two sentences max

XOXO,

1) n
2) you aren't a "shut-in aspie rube" like xero & his mother

it's not even very funny, ever, at all.

1) y
2) "Ray gets sort of stoned" http://m.assetbar.com/achewood/uuabz9GRp

1) Y
2) Most people seem to need to read rather a lot of it to really get into it -- I did -- but once you have done so, you will likely be glad to have done so; start with the Great Outdoor Fight story arc. Achewood's dialogue and character development would be exceptional in any medium and are miles better than those of any other comic (web or otherwise) known to me.

Daerest Abbott,

How did my nice msg board get overrun with shut-in aspie rubes?

Gratitudes,

DG

p.s. I am female.

Also, the 'drawing' is hideous.

yeah but xeno she said it was genetic and you've already conceded that

"Achewood's dialogue and character development would be exceptional in any medium"

This has GOT to be a put on.

And I WAS THE ONE WHO INTRODUCED IT TO THE GENE POOL! That's right, the calls were coming inside the house this whole time, stoned babysitter!

is this ironic meta-comedy where two posters that couldn't come up with even half the raw materials for a decent joke between the two of them are telling other people what isn't funny ?

to mrs que, yes, because it is hilarious, and an important point of reference in communicating within our peer group.

who?

Also, the 'drawing' is hideous.

Not enough boobs?

I mean, granted, 9 out of 10 guys who draw comics purpose them first as masturbation source material and second as general entertainment, but still....

Honestly, if I hadn't been told it's supposed to be funny, I would never have been able to guess. I've probably read 100 strips or so trying to tease out some - ANY - hint of the point or appeal. But, nothing.

> Not enough boobs?

http://jimwoodring.blogspot.com

Just as a reference for what real drawing looks like.

Oilyrags, I apologize for snarkiness. However, I like bad drawwwwrings if they have character, and the Achewood art has that in spades.

Oh man, I've always wanted to know what "real drawing" looks like! Thanks for the link!

Example of a drawwwring w/no character and no redeeming value, especially "humor":

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/effect_an_effect.png

REAL DRAWING

http://bp0.blogger.com/_B7voD6O9Ea8/RvRnMQA51MI/AAAAAAAAAMY/pB3kGevbNhs/s400/hallowe%27en+monster.jpg

oilyrags I think I speak for Achewood fans everywhere when I say that I would like to apologize profusely for the fact that this well-written, entertaining, consistently fresh daily comic strip isn't pretty enough for you.

ILX pile-on session not OTM.

Apology accepted, lib, but man do I disagree about the drawings having character. That's exactly what I hate about the art, and I like a lot of 'bad' art that has what I'd call character, like the various Ft. Thunder guys, esp. Matt Brinkman.

Bernard, since you're just being a sarcastic dick, I think maybe I won't accept your apology.

I love Onstad's drawing...even if his character designs are simple, he does some inventive stuff visually. It's obvious the guy isn't the zomg flowering genius of scribbles, but he works wonderfully with what he's got. (for example, the Mexican magical realism helicopter). Who are we going to call a rotten cartoonist next, Gary Larson?

I am being a dick, but that doesn't change the fact that the art isn't really the point of Achewood. it's functional, it clearly conveys the ideas and actions involved, and I don't really see why it needs to do more than that! I mean boring characterless assembly-line-style art (and I agree that it lacks character, although I think someone like lib or myself who's a big enough fan and has lived with the strip for long enough starts to overlook that lack of character and just see the strip for what it is, if that makes sense) is a pretty fundamental part of the daily comic strip media, isn't it?

I don't mind the pile on, btw. It's pretty well expected, when you attack a popular favorite.

Just out of curiosity, how many of you Achewood fans also love James Kolchaka (or however it is spelled)? Because I hate him for pretty much the same reasons.

xpost - I have to admit, those two strips have about a billion times more visual interest than anything else I've seen by him. FWIW, I think Gary Larson transcended his quite obvious limitations rather well, but still find stuff in the same vein by sharp draftsmen like Gorey, Wilson and Addams far funnier, mostly because they could draw in an inherently funny way.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's a very transparent art style, which is good, because his ideas are so consistently awesome.

> it's functional, it clearly conveys the ideas and actions involved, and I don't really see why it needs to do more than that!

Well, it doesn't have to do more than that! I don't think it succeeds at even that much, though. Like the strip posted upthread here:

Give it a rest with Achewood, okay?

The chipmunk's (or whatever) mouth opens slightly in the final panel, but I have no idea what emotion that's supposed to express. I suppose that if I did, I might find some humor in it (doubtful, based on my overall reaction to the strip) but that is literally the most facial expression I've ever seen in any episode of the comic.

I don't think my dad was ever six years old

But he was and it was obv a soul-searing nightmare for him.

http://lavenderdiamond.com/ron/

Ron Rege, another comics artist I love, and who's style is closer in spirit to what Bernard seems to be describing to me than Woodring's is.

ron rege is great. please don't compare his stuff to that dude woodring's stuff.

Lavender Diamond the webcomic?

"Four wacky kids and their adventures with Matador."

All they need is a dog mascot.

I would like Achewood better if their font was bigger.

Damn, stencil. I know there's no accounting for taste, and that appeal to authority isn't a valid logical argument, but I don't think Woodring would have been one of the first US Artist Grant recipients if there wasn't something to his work. I've been following the guy's every move for about 15 years now (lolstalker) and he manages to surprise and delight me every time I see a new piece.

Also, for Ned:

Members

* Becky Stark — vocals
* Steve Gregoropoulos — piano, vocals
* Ron Regé Jr. — drums
* Devon Williams — guitar, vocals

Shows you how much I've been paying attention, I thought Jeff Rosenberg was still in the band.

Damn, stencil. I know there's no accounting for taste, and that appeal to authority isn't a valid logical argument, but I don't think Woodring would have been one of the first US Artist Grant recipients if there wasn't something to his work. I've been following the guy's every move for about 15 years now (lolstalker) and he manages to surprise and delight me every time I see a new piece.

-- Oilyrags, Tuesday, October 9, 2007 12:51 AM (24 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i don't know his work, nor do i know what grants and awards are available to most artists, but dude, the stuff on the site that you linked to is hideously fugly.

I think it works better is you've read his Jim strip first and have never had a bad experience w/drugs.

I think Achewood is k++ hilarious, but I will try to note a few things other than "dueds it's lolz can ye not see?"

One thing I like is how Onstad introduces these vast new elements of the universe without suspense or obvious explanation (ie "next on Achewood: Fascinating new secret!" like the Spiderman daily comic except not "NEXT: Peter Parker gets to the airport late and has to stand in line for security check!" (no kidding that was last week's plot)). Like all the animals in Achewood drive small cars and go to small versions of human restaurants in the Underground, which gets thoroughly explained only three or four years after its introduction. Or one time we learn Ray faces a terrible ill omen when a Magreaux dog shows up...its meaning is explained in the comic, but just enough to keep it baffling. I know explaining a funny thing only makes it less funny, but seeing Ray cry because the dog tried to "take on his form" and walk is funnier because I can only see that he's crying, not really why (plus slapstick as tragedy, whoa yeah!).

Here's another little arc, one of my favorites, Cartilage Head, which lasts until the 9/22/05 strip. Working well with the visuals, again, a dark little comedy of manners (or about having manners, at least). Things like this come up pretty often in the little world I already love, with characters that get richer and more detailed with time.

If a comic influences my way of thinking and pleasure when I'm not reading it, I know it's a good one. Yesterday my boyfriend said, after ten minutes of trying to explain how he'd been feeling and consequently acting, "I've just been Roast Beefing it." And if you know how Roast Beef acts, you know exactly this complex thing he meant, leavening the whole thing with humor.

Oilyrags, look: http://achewood.com/index.php?date=08122004

http://m.assetbar.com/uua4Mjd9K.gif

Abbott you deserve mad props for that. Even if I actually had enough insight into my own personality to figure out why I love Achewood so much, I doubt I'd be able to explain it as clearly.

And I definitely second your recommendation of the Cartilage Head arc. Some of the most visually compelling work Onstad's ever done, and a perfect example of the weird internal logic that powers the world of Achewood.

Actually, wait, I think maybe I touched on something with that "internal logic" thing. Like, I need to make it clear to the Achewood doubters that everything that happens in the strip seriously makes perfect sense if you are familiar with the characters and the world. We aren't suspending our disbelief or going "haha, wow, how zany!" or anything; it's just totally natural that the character of Cartilage Head would exist, and that he would do what he does, and that Ray would react in the way that he does. If anything about it feels random or forced to you, then you probably just need to get more acquainted with the conventions of the strip, because rest assured, it doesn't to us.

Give it a rest with Oilyrags, okay?

eww, why are those rags so oily?

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/tapestore/comix.jpg

Achewood turns you into an xkcd character?

I'm not sure if remy's strip was meant to be a defense of Achewood or an attack on it. (leaning toward the latter)

Welcome to hell, mr. smuckles. here is your 1982 subaru brat.

xp aw dude don't go making achewood unfunny like that

-- pretzel walrus, Monday, June 18, 2007 3:18 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

I really think Achewood rewards your patience. I didn't think it was all that great until I managed to read a bunch of strips consecutively and then suddenly it's the funniest thing in the world. it also gets about 10x more hilarious when you go back and re-read the earlier strips.

Achewood turns you into an xkcd character?

-- Curt1s Stephens, Tuesday, October 9, 2007 3:08 AM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

I initially misread this as saying that Pat looks like xuxhk in that last strip Tape Store post (which he kinda does).

Also, Oilyrags is right that the facial expressions on some of the characters are pretty much impossible to interpret. There'll be a chance from one panel to the next, but you can't tell if they're happier, or sadder, or furrowing their brow or what the FUCK

Is a rorschach, that or he just can't draw cat mouths very well.

i flip through these backward, need to start somewhere early and run through the narratives in a forward motion. respect to tombot.

It will not be Nud3 Sp0ck or M4rris4. It will not be D4v3 M4tth3ws googlers. No, it will be an combination of achewood and Steely Dan - the two things we love most - that does ilx in.

thank you tombot for confirming my suspicion that achewood is an asshole magnet

sorry to see stence not digging Jim Woodring's work - some of the Jim strips, esp. the ones in colour, are v. beautiful indeed, and Woodring's penwork is as distinctive and lush as the best of r. crumb's crosshatching.

I haven't read enough of Achewood to fairly criticise the content, but I am sympathetic to Oilyrag's objections over the artwork, which to me always looks kind of lazy and inept, v. much indie Dilbert brutal functionalism in service of opaque hipster gags. comics are abt the combo of words+pics yadda yadda, so to see something so poorly drawn is a bit like hearing a rec that's got great a tune but lousy lyrics - it's not complete, whole, entirely satisfying.

Saying that, I love Super Fuckers by James Kolchalka, where the artwork does create/unify a whole world/perspective - and there are few greater comic art pleasures than Gary Panter's ratty, ragged lines and marks - 'craft' is more than just 'good drawing' and slick finishing, obv.

I was hoping there would be more Geirglewacking. ;_;

thank you tombot for confirming my suspicion that achewood is an asshole magnet

What triggered this suspicion and how does this confirm it exactly?

becky stark! becky stark rules.

the writing is too small :(

i don't mean that becky stark triggered DG's suspicion. all i meant to say was that she rules.

the writing is too small :(

on the website or just on the comics that people are posting on ilx? those look shitty/unreadable unless the window is maximized for me.

http://m.assetbar.com/uua2xWdRw.gif

achewood is funny, and if you dont think so you are either a) old & lame or b) trying hard to be contrarian

thank you tombot for confirming my suspicion that achewood is an asshole magnet

MAN I love this. So, the only explanation that someone's opinion differs from yours is that they are lying or are a bad person. And you call us assholes!

http://www1.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/1323643/2/istockphoto_1323643_vintage_flat_iron.jpg

Who is calling anyone an asshole? I am rather confused?!

hey Oilyrags, i think Onstad has said in interviews it's not about the drawing at all, but the writing, and he's aware of his limitations as an artist. yes, sure jim woodring's drawings are technically better but is his writing as funny?

MAN I love this. So, the only explanation that someone's opinion differs from yours is that they are lying or are a bad person. And you call us assholes!

actually, it was DG calling people who like achewood "assholes". how well-adjusted he seems!

The size of the font doesn't bother me so much as how seemingly at random a lot of the text in Achewood looks cut-off, like the top or sides of certain letters have been cropped, not enough to make it illegible, but enough to be really aesthetically jarring and annoying. Which is even more risible since the guy did a comic about beating up the inventor of Comic Sans like he's some kind of font snob when half the fonts he uses are butt ugly.

this thread ----> DiSaGrEeMeNt BoX

Well, keeping in mind I don't find Achewood funny, I'll say sure. But the truth is that Woodring doesn't usually shoot for funny, he's interested in other effects. Words scarcely play a role in his work at all, actually, which is of course very different from Onstad's approach. JW is mostly about particular meanings that certain shapes (radial symmetry, bilateral symmetry) have in his "Unifactor" world, and when characters reveal their thoughts, it's through pantomime, gesture and expression. One of the things I love about him is the way he bypasses language completely to concentrate on what is (for me) deeper and more satisfying ways of telling stories.

I did crack up when Frank hung the "Exit" sign on the outside of the door to his house in the "Museum of Horrors" strip, though.

yr all assholes

> deeper and more satisfying ways of telling stories...

IN COMICS which is after all primarily a visual medium. In general I figure that in good comics the words support the pictures (if words are present at all) rather than the other way around. But I'm also a big Feiffer fan, so that may be hypocritical.

So what if it relies on the writing? It's not like Achewood could be told in prose and be as effective (I mean, the blogs are funny but that's different). It's a comic and it uses the format just fine.

> It's not like Achewood could be told in prose and be as effective

Several of the strips linked in this thread would lose absolutely nothing if the art were completely erased and only the word remains. And I'm not just saying that to quibble about the word effective. The "stoned" strip could be read aloud to a deaf person with no loss of meaning, for example.

I reckon missing out panels 5, 9, 10, 11 and 15 would lose a huge amount of the joy of the stoned comic, Oily.

but it would lose a lot if read out like "Ray is looking at Todd. 'Hey, that's Todd,' he says. 'I know him. I know Todd.'"
No way is that as funny as it's presented in the strip.
Also, I think its overlooking the fact that Onstad's simple drawings can still be emotive (Roast Beef's hang-dog expression, for example). I totally get that a lot of people wouldn't find Achewood to be funny, like they might not find Kids In The Hall funny. I just don't understand why they have to be such grouches about it (not meaning you oilyrags).

Sorry, panel 6, not 5 - and what I'm trying to say is there is so much said in those particular crude drawings that don't deserve to be lost.

i thought this was the thread where people gave it a rest with achewood

So did I!

Man, Roast Beef's expression is best appreciated in the very rare moments when he's happy - it's really genuinely emotionally affecting. See panel 3 in http://achewood.com/index.php?date=05242006

Yeah, starting a combative thread about a topic is always the best way to get people to stop talking about it. Yep.

i feel like Abbot's dad, going "yes.. yes.. Steve Dallas... right"

HAHAHAHAHA awesome

Ray is very expressive when making Beef laugh at his pee-peeing. Such good pals.

xp aw dude don't go making achewood unfunny like that

-- pretzel walrus, Monday, June 18, 2007 3:18 AM (3 months ago) Bookmark Link

-- Tape Store, Tuesday, October 9, 2007 3:11 AM (14 hours ago) Bookmark Link

haha dude i was just gonna say

this thread has taught me a lot about people. specifically which people i should never make any meaningful attempt to understand or even trust to be right about anything

stop talking about achewood

stop thinking about achewood

Actually, if it's going to cause more grumpy DG outbursts I fully endorse turning every thread into an Achewood discussion.

Or actually if every thread just turns into this one, I'm cool with that too.

oh no the cure are on the radio

pretend the radio is kryptonite

dudes are hella laughing

all of the characters look the same

all bananas look the same

Man, Roast Beef's expression is best appreciated in the very rare moments when he's happy - it's really genuinely emotionally affecting.

only if getting creeped out counts as 'emotionally affecting'
http://m.assetbar.com/achewood/uuacVwg3J

all of the characters look the same

all bananas look the same

THEREFORE: all of his characters are bananas

***

Sorry I am a funny-destroyer.

if i ever get baning rights back a lot of you are going to be in some serious shit

DG, you are kind of like subcomponents of Achewood come to life.

DG do you like pizza

I like pizza

yes i do like pizza. but not as much as i like people giving it a rest with achewood

dan (hater) perry

Hating Achewood is basically hating the English language.

That is the most OTM yet.

Sweet monkeyfucking Jesus is that not true.

QED

oilyrags stfu

What love of the english language you show!

What are you trying to do here?

Could you make your question more specific, please?

If you even mean me.

do you like pizza

Sweet monkeyfucking Jesus is that not true.

Achewood is the only comic I know of that would have used that particular grammatical structure and altered lexicon (although it would have done a cleverer job with it). Is the thing.

Ah. I see. Well, I happen to have jacked that structure from Futurama.

Oilyrags do you want to eat this pizza, y/n?

http://m.assetbar.com/achewood/autaux?b=M%5ea11f09b8576e606bcb5038dfdb92fb821&u=http%3A%2F%2Fachewood.com%2Fcomic.php%3Fdate%3D08202004

I've already had two greasy fast food meals today, but thanks.

sweet $EXPLETIVE $PERSONAGE "in/on/riding/etc." $CONVEYANCE

is like the oldest, most *yawn* textbook expletive in teh book, casuistry. generally used by the same type of person that yells come back or i'll bite your legs off

I'm not saying it's a rare form, I'm saying there's only one comic that's doing a good job of representing certain grammatic, syntactical, and lexical forms. That's one of the great things about it.

Also that's not the form he used, and "monkeyfucking" is not terribly common as far as $EXPLETIVEs go (Results 1 - 10 of about 418 for monkeyfucking. (0.27 seconds) )

not exactly "monkeyfucking" but
http://m.assetbar.com/achewood/autaux?b=M%5ea11f09b8576e606bcb5038dfdb92fb821&u=http%3A%2F%2Fachewood.com%2Fcomic.php%3Fdate%3D10262001

Out of curiosity, how many comics do you read? I don't read many webcomics (they mostly suck) but I do read about 30 dailies, 10 or so weeklies, and a passel of comic books each week. What I'm saying here is I have a lot of experience looking at and reading these things, and I suspect that my horizons on this front are a bit broader than the average on this thread. More succinctly, I wonder how many of you actually know what the fuck you're talking about when you try to compare Achewood to the comics world at large. Abbott I know is a pretty well rounded comic reader.

Wow, I just reread that and boy are those the rantings of a holier than thou prick bastard. I better give up this thread before it turns me even worse. It's not like there are any indications of a changed mind on either side, or any other productive result on the horizon.

xposting

So there's nobody besides me who thinks that Achewood is mildly amusing every so often, as opposed to either being the source of light and life or a reason to kill everything?

nope, you're it

A Kingdom of One, indeed.

Oilyrags, you really don't think other people on here have read Jim Woodring, or taken a long enough look at James Kochalka's comics to see that they're pieces of shit?

Okay, I guess you weren't the guy that mentioned Kochalka, but I can tell you like him because you have shit taste, do you see how that works

why is there not an arguing_about_comics_on_the_internet.gif

it could have a person with down syndrome on it.

I have a lot of experience looking at and reading these things, and I suspect that my horizons on this front are a bit broader than the average on this thread.
I have a lot of experience looking at and reading these things, and I suspect that my horizons on this front are a bit broader than the average on this thread.
I have a lot of experience looking at and reading these things, and I suspect that my horizons on this front are a bit broader than the average on this thread.

-- Oilyrags, Tuesday, October 9, 2007 8:57 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

I think we can probably lay off since he already said he realized he was being really pompous and that he should leave the thread

if one fifth of ILX posters were capable of actually reading their own posts and demonstrating a similar degree of self-awareness, ever, we wouldn't hardly need mods

Fuck this guy, Oilyrags. I am trading him off of my team in Madden as soon as I get home.

how is the new madden jeff? any big differences?

i think that was a reference to a post about michael vick re: misplaced anger, but i shouldn't speak for jeff and i should probably spend less time on here so i don't know things like that.

max minus r otm upthread.

hey i just made something not funny guys, can i join thread club?

If it's funny, it's funny, and this shit is very funny. Very few comics make me laugh out loud. Achewood does so consistently.

Aficionados and critics can be strikingly obtuse, despite, or perhaps because of their immersion in the medium, and plus you just can't learn funny, I am convinced.

Stylistically, the art supports the writing and magnifies it. The visual gags are simple and right on. The drawing is on target with the character and the delivery of the humor. Plus it is very fucking funny, like more so than most.

an important point of reference in communicating within our peer group

if one fifth of ILX posters were capable of actually reading their own posts and demonstrating a similar degree of self-awareness, ever, we wouldn't hardly need mods

Which fifth, though? I always go for the fifth of Wild Turkey.

Also, the 'drawing' is hideous.

-- Oilyrags, Monday, October 8, 2007 11:32 PM (4 days ago) Bookmark Link

http://achewood.com/comic.php?date=11272006

Which fifth, though?

The fifth of forth?

Unlike Mickey, Goofy is still considered a bad actor and not someone kids can like. He is currently a mailman.

Pet Peeve: Injuries

I spent yesterday trawling for good webcomix, and the thing about Achewood is that it makes it so clear how horribly awful 99.999% of them are. I don't know if that makes me disappointed or what.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b361/tapestore/dumb.gif

http://m.assetbar.com/achewood/autaux?b=M%5ea11f09b8576e606bcb5038dfdb92fb821&u=http%3A%2F%2Fachewood.com%2Fcomic.php%3Fdate%3D10242007

You can do whatever you want in life.

I had never heard of it til 3 days ago when elmo said I was Pat.

bump

h8r

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I dunno, some serious steams were lost with the Wales thing.

bump

it's not very funny

Some people have no taste.

Coooome and get it! Come and get your fresh public wine!

still has its moments but lost a lot of momentum when he started working on the "whenever the fuck i feel like it" schedule.

it's not very funny

― my asian girlfriend (bug), Friday, June 26, 2009 4:56 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

Achewood's whole "SAXOPHONES!" "HOT TUBS! "HEADBANDS!" "AWESOME!" stick reminds of the dudes I went to college with who were like skinny white nerd dudes but wore Dolemite shirts or whatever

you're an idiot

^^^cosign on this particular point

birds of an unfunny feather

it's just that as someone who's read the entire gd thing your objection doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

it's just that as someone who's read the entire gd thing

killfiled

still has its moments but lost a lot of momentum when he started working on the "whenever the fuck i feel like it" schedule.

in 2001?

i have never found one of these things funny but it's also the kind of thing my eyes just can't really focus on, i don't even know if i've ever actually read a whole strip from first panel to last.

is there a person on ilx more consumed w/self-loathing than whiney

Achewood's whole "SAXOPHONES!" "HOT TUBS! "HEADBANDS!" "AWESOME!" stick reminds of the dudes I went to college with who were like skinny white nerd dudes but wore Dolemite shirts or whatever

It reminds me of about half of ILX but you seem to like that well enough to stick around

it's just that as someone who's read the entire gd thing

killfiled

― jw and kate plus gr80 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, June 26, 2009 10:37 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark

lolllllllll

loved this

http://i47.tinypic.com/smsew5.gif

this too

Achewood's whole "SAXOPHONES!" "HOT TUBS! "HEADBANDS!" "AWESOME!" stick reminds of the dudes I went to college with who were like skinny white nerd dudes but wore Dolemite shirts or whatever

― jw and kate plus gr80 (Whiney G. Weingarten), Friday, June 26, 2009 9:27 AM (6 months ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you're an idiot

― El Tomboto, Friday, June 26, 2009 9:29 AM (6 months ago) Bookmark

he forgot ilx rite

I bet u ete celantro

a single-strip october counts as a rest, i'd say

when I was 6 and in Kindergarten all my writing assignments had to do with Super Mario World, to the extent that my teacher sent a letter home to my parents saying I needed to think about something else.

ever write about the negative worlds? man those were so trippy, i mean how did people even find out about that. do you suppose it was a game engineer who told some gossipy friend about the magic brick he'd rigged up in 1-2? or was it merely some jump-and-duck prone civilian who happened upon it as a surprise? bet no one even believes him to this day that he was the first to "go negative"

Oh that was Super Mario Bros. Super Mario WORLD had places named after desserts, like Cookie Mountain.

but I wonder how long anyone has played any of the negative worlds, like after a while you'd be on some Warhol shit

my bad/bust

gay-chewood, morelike

― Dom Passantino

burn

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I had a thought about achewood and Onstad this morning, stepping off the train on my way to my second coffee. That thought was He was a guy who could draw a cat standing up, saying emo shit, and he figured out a good way to make oven fries. I am older now, and so I know he isn’t that interesting. Was he the webcomic Strokes?

You're likely onto something.

I remember loving Cornelius, Ray and Roast Beef, but I can’t remember anything they ever said.

Your analogy doesn't entirely work, because the Strokes made really shitty oven fries.

i only know about this because of the amazing one about steely dan

counterpoint: Achewood was a wonderful, broad body of work, cast over multiple media for more than a decade, before the creator focused on creative work in other fields. The Strokes had a couple of vaguely OK singles in late 2001, and the lead singer released Phrazes For The Young.

What's an example of a good Achewood instalment? I don't get it at all - seems like a lot of callback humour and Reddit Man non-sequiturs. Is there a sequence that showcases what it can do without being impenetrable to unfamiliars?

I'm with (sic)

And Achewood might be something that doesn't work in "a single instalment", and I'm fine with that. I don't think there's really a single GBV song that communicates the joy of being a GBV song, and that doesn't diminish the GBV experience a jot.

What's an example of a good Achewood oven fries?

http://www.achewood.com/honorclub/ckbk1_honor_system_full.pdf

Despite the visual consistency created by Onstad's limitations, there's such a wide variety of tones and approaches within Achewood that I couldn't point to one single chunk without knowing what sort of stuff Chuck does react to.

(note that that cookbook includes both Ray's oven fries and Beef's home fries.)

I think I actually bought that cookbook :O

this is the best achewood:

http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07132004

He was a guy who could draw a cat standing up, saying emo shit, and he figured out a good way to make oven fries. I am older now, and so I know he isn’t that interesting. Was he the webcomic Strokes?

i mean is this meant to parse like chris onstad wrote it or

Ha perhaps

the Strokes are good

like honestly give me their precision tuned five car garage rock over the never ending cult of LCD Soundsystem "ooooh I liked New Order and I'm forever 42 and sad about doing drugssss" shit that apparently is so genius

Achewood is great

I loved that debut Strokes EP but its not cooler-than-thouism that makes me pronounce their career a pretty steep exercise in diminishing-returns.

LCD Soundsystem bore the piss out of me

I like the idea that one can only like the Strokes or LCD and nothing else. These are the only choices. It is 2005 forever.

Back on Achewood, there was a lot of stuff about the strip that I didn't like, but when I identify with a character I massively over-identify with a character and that def happened w/ Beef.

achewood's high points were as good as any of the great comic strips

i still skim through random portions of the achewood archive every couple months. as sic said, i don't think there's a pithy way to sum up what achewood was/was not. there's a lot of stuff in there.

It contains multitudes etc

I still don't get this strip.

https://i.imgur.com/O6ExdSc.gif

User 'Oilyrags' used this thread as a dancing floor when it started and had a full dance card. Now user 'Oilyrags' does not exist in the ilx database.

A case of spontaneous combustion?

ILX didn't require registration when it started.

Oily was based out of Austin, weren’t they?

the hardback collection vol 1 has been pushed back to December 28 now

this is the first i've heard of the collection!

Chris Butcher is editing for Oni, trailed as being fully complete, including the blogs and zines

Achewood was so good, just miles above everything else. I have four small Onstad paintings on my walls. I miss Achewood, and I miss there being any good webcomics at all. The last one I dug was KC Green's HIAGB, but I don't think he's returning to that form any time soon. Back was pretty decent, but that's over now too.

I would really like to read something good, that's not about supernatural teenagers or clumsy manga homage or written by men who like to masturbate to their art.

I have an Achewood Big Fight poster my partner bought me and got framed. At its best it was the best.

Simon Hanselmann still does his thing on Instagram, it's not much like Achewood but also not abt supernatural teenagers or manga style. I *suppose* he might be masturbating to it.

just randomly thinking that achewood is probably a thing that lots of millennial dads are going to be telling their sons about when they hit 10-12.

occasionally things remind me of achewood

there is a delightful clip of Keanu Reeves being asked about nfts and his response includes a Roast Beef-esque “hee hee hee!” laugh

Dang, I could hear RB laughing like that.

Keanu Reeves doesn’t get the NFT hype either. Watch our full interview here: https://t.co/ea0NInhtBO pic.twitter.com/UuUNFMtfmf

— The Verge (@verge) December 11, 2021

http://achewood.com/index.php?date=09122002

hee hee hee