URGH! cheesecake actually has cheese in it!

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i know this sounds silly, but i always assumed (or hoped) it was some kind of 'special ice cream.'

cheese? URGH!

― Wyndham Earl, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Just don't ask about headcheese, and you'll be fine.

― Brian MacDonald, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

thanks Brian *shudder*

― chris, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I have always been bemused by the fact that despite containing 2 of the world's best foods EVAH i.e. cheese and cake, cheesecake still manages to be fucking vile. ALL cheesecake. Yes, even your mum's. They should call it something else.

― Emma, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

More evidence that emmahatescake.

― Tim, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheesecake is horrible. Cheese is not a sweet.

― Tom, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

time i think to resurrect the concept of SALMAGUNDY! overthrow the binaries!! upturn the episteme!!!

― mark s, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheesecake is the greatest cake in the world. Oh god it's so amazing. It's got biscuits also. Digestives must be crushed to make the base.

There's a place in Dublin I go to sometimes that sells Baileys cheesecake. I remember I was getting dumped in there before when I was like 15 and I was like "uh huh, but the cake". Although probably quite upset later.

Yes Cheesecake is fantastic.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

mmmmm, baked cheesecake = so very very num.

Bailey's cheesecake you say Ronan? wow.

― chris, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

and Ronan, not necessarily Digestives, try ginger nuts instead, they are marvellous.

― chris, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

A blot on the landscapes of cheese and cake! And even worse it LOOKS tempting and then when you eat it, it makes you want to throw up.

― Emma, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

1. Baileys 2. Lemon 3. Blackcurrant 4. Strawberry. 5. Chocolate (yes it exists but is not great).

Now that I think of it there's loads of Baileys desserts over here, they're all pretty good too. Baileys mousse, ice cream, cake, yes.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Chocolate cheese cake becomes heavenly when made with marscapone instead of cream cheese. (Marscapone is cream set with citric acid, NOT 'Italian Cream Cheese' as I've seen it described)

Peanut butter cheese cake I remember as being very good but I've only ever had it once and I was youngr at the time.

Debate: Hovis digestives vs McVite's digestives for the base. Hovis do come in boxes marked biscuits for cheese don't they. But sharp cheddar on digestives with black currant or lingonberry jam is a snack of the gods.

― Ed, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hating cheesecake?! that's like...hating strawberries! ie not possible! (by the way strawberries are very good on cheesecake) is cheesecake something completely different in britain than it is here in the US? real new york cheesecake is the best thing ever.

― geeta, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheesecake - vile pudding with crumbled up biscuits at the bottom + cheese based filling / topping with assorted flavourings, right?

― Emma, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

see i'm not sure how to decode that because in britain they seem to call everything a "pudding" and so i have no idea what that actually means. plus biscuits=cookies in "American", right. err crust i think is generally made with graham crackers. also the flavorings/toppings are often blended in with the rest of the cake here, though they are also often topped with fruit or chocolate or something. and there are different types - new york cheesecake signifies a rather specific way of preparation, and then there's "italian cheesecake" (made with ricotta, tastes very different) and so on. so i guess there are very large regional differences in the stuff.

― geeta, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I know Geeta. Hating cheesecake is insane.

And you called me a mentalist for hating those human flesh-like roll fillings you all eat

― Ronan, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

It is the same thing indeed. Graham crackers are digestive biscuits I believe. Pudding means the sweet thing you eat after your main course. (Though then again you can get black / white pudding which isn't but I don't want to overcomplicate US / UK relations too much.)

― Emma, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dunno if bakers still sell 'em, but in the UK cheesecake also used to signify small round buns covered w/ stringy white (coconut?) icing - now they really were vile!

― Andrew L, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

but I've never called anyone a "mentalist", Ronan! Though I love that word so much (never heard it before I started talking to you people). Human-flesh-roll what? I am confused.

― geeta, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

no I meant the cheesecake haterz. (who might be equally confused)

― Ronan, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I secopnd Cabbage on the ginger nuts as a base. Cheesecake is refreshing which may well be Emma's problem with it. She prefers a pudding which lulls her into the cheese course and the port / dessert wine - and while I can't say I disagree a bit of CC to finish of a three course business lunch is usually the ticket to get me awake enough to work for the rest of the day.

― Pete, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ok I understand now. Ronan, you mentalist!

to the cheesecake haterz: how can it be hated? it is sweet! it is made with cream! I still don't understand how it could taste bad, unless it was, say, Bovril-flavored or something.

― geeta, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

episteme destruction ahoy:
1. Salmagundy (contains boiled eggs AND slices of orange AND anchovies AND grapes AND broad beans...)
2. Gingerbread w. unsalted butter and bovril
3. Cheesecake (contains cheese AND cake)

― mark s, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Steak and kidney pudding.Mmmmmmmm.

― Jonnie, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

ronan do you mean sausages? the myth that pork tastes like mang-flesh is a myth called mythical

― mark s, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My feelings on deli food were what I meant, as discussed here

― Ronan, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Fuck that was meant to be a link, http://www.greenspun.com/bboard/q- and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=007p4i

sorry try that.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Pete DO NOT PRESUME to know my tastes in pudding and also how can you say cheeseslime is refreshing? It is stodgy as stodge can be. I like a nice light sorbet, now that IS refreshing. And also you seem to have no idea about my views on pudding / cheese course etiquette: cheese comes after main course as it is SAVOURY and pudding comes last of all (well, before coffee and petit fours) - this is how our French chums do it and they are 100% right for a change. This way also allows you to finish off your wine with your cheese.

― Emma, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

sorbet for dessert course Emma? How gauche. Surely it should be used as an between-courses palate cleanser. certainly not substantial enough for pudding, you'd need a semi-fredo at least.

― chris, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheese before pudding. This way lies madness (and left over cheese) - and certainly not hours spent pouring over many an open bottle o'port.

It is always over food the monobrain cracks.

― Pete, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

We have established those who don't like Cheesecake are insane.

But a dessert which DOES need to be mocked is Apple Pie. it's the Stereophonics of desserts. That means BORING.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What about male cheesecake? Or is that beefcake?

― Nicole, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

that would be beefcake, to be eaten well before pudding. preferably with sorbet after to cleanse palate.

Ronan, a well made apple pie is food of the gods. I saw a programme the other day mentioning having it with cheese, I am not sure of this.

― chris, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My mum used to make this Lemon Pudding stuff, it was gooey and spongey simultaneously, and lemony obviously. Now I cook/order/big mac my own dinners more often than not such delights are beyond my grasp.

Those bastards at Spar that I hate sell cream buns now so last week I thought "oh why not, I'll GO NUTS and buy one", and it was disgusting. It was an Eclaire sp? with all that slushy fake chocolate icing stuff. Absolutely disgusting. Is real chocolate too much to ask? Jesus...

― Ronan, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Emma you retain my full support on this one.

― Tom, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Did I say the sorbet was for pudding? NO I DID NOT I just said it was refreshing. Also I seem to recall that the use of the words 'dessert' or 'sweet' to describe PUDDING is NOT AT ALL the done thing.

Pete no wonder you like spam and powdered eggs, your taste buds have been wrecked by going savoury-sweet-savoury like a mentalist.

And cheesecake is still horrid.

― Emma, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I may be a pleb, but I know that you eat the cheeseboard last ;-) with the port of course, finished off with a fine cohiba.

― chris, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I just like the contrast that's all. Still no need to get all shouty on my arse just because I do things differently.

― Pete, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Are you 100 percent certain the French don't go cheese after pudding? Cos I'm thinking of the last time I was in France and my admittedly hazy memory suggests otherwise.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've always taken it that the English who cannot be trusted on gastronomic matters do main course-pudding-cheese whereas those noble gourmets the French always do main course-cheese-pudding. And many English restaurants now are starting to do it the French way realising that they are right on this one. Mind you in my experience the French don't really drink port so maybe that helps explain it.

― Emma, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I can't believe I said pudding. 800 years of fine young Irishmen giving their lives and I say pudding on the net. If Gerry Adams was at my college today I'd get my just desserts. shame on me, I know.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

But pudding is correct!

This place is an etiquette desert. I'm off.

― Emma, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Will the PUB serve PORT tonight?? What is the official etiquette line of sneaking in yr own STILTON? It is probably bad... hmmm in that case our party will be PORT AND STILTON THEMED.

― Sarah, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well as not many pubs provide their own stilton I reckon you're OK smuggling it in.

― Emma, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

port = sweet so why are you crackbrains eating it with stilton eh? EH!?

everything should be poured into a single bowl: the concept of the "course" is totally bourgeois and eurocentric

― mark s, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark, cheese is perfectly accompanied by sweet things q.v. quince paste, a crunchy apple, grapes etc etc

― chris, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

This thread is a perfect example how the sweet / savoury dichotomy is just inadequate to use to describe food. Until we step out from under its hegemony we will never understand the subtle differences between sharp, bitter, tart etc etc.

― Pete, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

tart? hanle y and ally to thread!!

― mark s, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I've eaten a slice of something called cheesecake in England. If it was typical, it bore no resemblance to what you get in, say, Brooklyn, which is heavy, slightly tart, and delicious.

As for cheese desserts: CANNOLI immediately proves the nay-sayers wrong. Mascarpone!

― Benjamin, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheese and Tomato is the best damn example I can think of.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Of what exactly Ronan?

― Emma, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Brie and pear is an even better one (or Brie and Mango Chutney). Of what Ronan is talking about.

Chutneys, sweet pickles, jams with your main courses? Eh Eh? Tomato ketchup isn't exactly shy of tha sugah now is it.

― Pete, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah exactly, I was about to mention Ketchup too.

Having said that I have expressed manys the time a major distaste for pineapples on pizzas and mandarins and that kind of madness.

Still. I now find myself finding exceptions to my own rule.

― Ronan, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Rules are made to be broken. Which is why as a safety precaustion Woolworths make them shatterproof.

― Pete, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Sweet" and "savoury" in food are like "pop" and "indie" in music. We may not be able to adequately define them but by god we know what they mean.

― Tom, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

oh! oh! so now you're all freeing yourselves from the dastardly constraints of the sweet/savoury binary opposition, eh? i seem to remember when i tried to do this JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO re. peanut butter i got shouted at!!

*prepares for futher shouting*

― katie, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Problem with peanut butter is that peanuts and butter are both arbritrarily placed in the savoury camp, hence a peanutty kinda butter should also be savoury. But it ain't.

― Pete, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What about frying puddings eg Nigel Slatxx0r has a recipe for PAN FRIED APPLES? I think he is a mentalist and his taco recipe was ARSE. OK I am saying this only because I managed to make it taste well... not very nice, to be honest. Well nice ENOUGH but to be honest MATE there are Taco Dinner Kits for this kind of thing. Oh and the fact that Sainsburys had no taco shells also.

― Sarah, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Not to mention pan fried pancakes. Why should frying be the enemy of sweetness? Doughnuts anyone?

― Pete, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

pan fried apples are completely num Sarah, as is pan-fried pineapple, done in butter, poured onto plate with buttery juices then with a scattering of icing sugar and some shredded mint leaves. a little bit of vanilla ice cream is nice to have with this.

Hello I am a ponce.

― chris, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"Sweet" and "savoury" in food are like "pop" and "indie" in music: OK so which is which (you rockist).

the probem with peanut butter is that it tastes like vomit, which is technically in neither sweet nor savoury surely

― mark s, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I always thought peanut butter had a savoury taste. Have I been deluding myself? What is going on?

― Emma, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Chris is OTM re sweet/savoury mix. Wensleydale cheese and fruit cake are traditionally eaten together in Yorkshire, and are very num num. They do curd tarts as well which is a bonkus version of cheesecake without the cheese.

― Billy Dods, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

right on! peanut butter is terrible. especially in sandwiches. the sweet/sort-of-savory combination of jelly (jam) and peanut butter in sandwiches is tyranny and must be stopped.

i knew someone who ate peanut butter on cold nights. he figured it would increase his metabolism, thus keeping him warmer. then again he also ate styrofoam sometimes.

― geeta, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Aaaargh! Not the peanut butter thing again. It's sweet and savoury but is weird with tomatoes.

― Jonnie, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Just...one...mint...WAFER!

― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Apple pie without the cheese is like a hug without a squeeze.

― Pyth, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

wow, Junior's has a member's section! anyway they're the originators and the best and they even deliver overseas, though it won't QUITE have that gush-on-top thick-on-bottom smooth curve of cheesecake consistency that makes putting a fork to it one of the great joys in life. but it will be very very close.

― Tracer hand, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

hmm their website doesn't make the overseas part very clear. but i bet if you call or email them (on the "contact" tab) you can arrange something.

― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Marscapone is NOT cheese, as i mentioned earlier. However Cassata which is made with ricotta is a heavenly cheese based italian pudding.

Nigel Slater shall not be blasphemed against, least way not while I'm around. He is a master of the simple but effective and tasty recipe. He is the only cookery writer I know of to have written a piece on what to have in the fridge in case of a bleary eyed midnight snack urge. He is also a great advocate, alongside myself, of braises and stews and suchlike

― Ed, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hearing English people argue about food makes me laugh.

I love cheesecake, btw.

― Sean, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i don't know how ANYONE could hate cheesecake. and as for sweet mixed with savoury, peanutbutter-and-icecream-sandwiches are supreme! still!

― di, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Hearing English people argue about food makes me laugh.

Same thing with Americans talking about sex and beer.

― Walter Shite, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheesecake is made from cream cheese. I dunno, cream cheese is the ultimate cheese. Plus one of the only that I can eat without dying from migraine attacks. It can be used for snack, meal, or dessert! I think cheesecake is nice, I like the non-bake stuff though.

Heh, special ice cream, that's cool. I bet they have cheesecake flavored ice cream out by now...probably even cheesecake gelato!

― kimera, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

They certainly do have cheesecake flavoured icecream. One of my favourites is blueberry cheescake icecream. Yummm!

― Penny Lane, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Everyone in my family loves cheesecake apart from me which means whenever it was someone's birthday, they'd want cheesebirthdaycake which meant I GOT NO CAKE then, when it was my birthday, I'd ask for chocolate cake which everyone else loved too which meant they'd eat all my cake! So I lost out in both directions!

I HATE CHEESECAKE!

― jamesmichaelward, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

okay anyone got a vegan cheesecake recipe? yum. remember that "cheesecake truck" song anybody...yeah sure you do, nerds.

― elizabeth anne marjorie, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Here's one. Can't vouch for its quality, I just googled it.

― electric sound of jim, Tuesday, 5 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

****wow, Junior's has a member's section! anyway they're the originators and the best and they even deliver overseas, though it won't QUITE have that gush-on-top thick-on-bottom smooth curve of cheesecake consistency that makes putting a fork to it one of the great joys in life. but it will be very very close.****

Tracer Hand m'dear, you've just made me a quite happy chick;> Junior's cheesecake is so good, it should be marketed as an aphrodisiac.

To know I won't have to go without in London puts a smile on my face.

― Nichole Graham, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

To go all the way up to the top of the thread: head cheese is better than cheesecake, and contains ABSOLUTELY NO CHEESE. And it's good on Triscuits. My girlfriend will never let me buy it, though--she says it creeps her out. Fuck that, it's delicious. I recommend that anyone here who has never eaten it go out and do so. The British eat much more disgusting things on a daily basis anyway.

― adam, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

My wife recently bought me a sampler from a place called deliciouschoices.com. No dairy, no animal products. I must say it was really great. Emphasis on the was.

― Andy K, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

What could possibly be in a cheesecake with no dairy in it?

― Sean, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Tofu? Lemon? Coconut Milk? Peanut Butter? There's plenty of "solid & creamy" vegan ingredients. It can happen.

― Brian MacDonald, Wednesday, 6 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Bad news and good news. Bad news first.

From: "Juniors Cheesecake"
Date: Wed Mar 06, 2002 06:37:47 PM US/Eastern
To: "Tracer Hand"
Subject: RE: overseas delivery possible?

Hi Tracer,

Delivery is available in the Continental U.S.,
Hawaii and Alaska only. If you would like we can send you a brochure with
all the information on it, just send us your mailing address and we can send
it for no charge.

Thank you,

Tanya @ Junior's Cheesecake

-----Original Message-----

From: Tracer Hand [mailto:tracerhand@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 4:09 PM
To: info@juniorscheesecake.com
Subject: overseas delivery possible?

Dear Junior's,

Can Junior's cheesecake be shipped internationally?

Thank you,
Tracer Hand

Good news: all you britZor will just have to come here to get it!

― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 7 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, yes!! all the britZor to nyc! for the best new york cheesecake ever! they shall be converted! + the best bagels + the best pizza in the world (sigh maybe i will take the $10 chinatown bus from boston into nyc today)

― geeta, Thursday, 7 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Geeta, you forgot that NY also has the best deli sandwiches. San Francisco still has the best burritos, though. I'm clinging to this for dear life.

― Sean, Thursday, 7 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sean, I hate to shake the Rock of Gibralter but L.A. Taqueria in Brooklyn has the best burritos I've ever eaten. Actually nevermind, I may have just proved your point.

― Pyth, Thursday, 7 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Whoops of course L.A. |= San Francisco, but proceed with East vs West anyway.

― Pyth, Thursday, 7 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Pyth, please. You have not tasted burritos or Mex cuisine as served in the States until you have been to California or Texas. There is life beyond NYC. ;-)

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

That said, though, I've heard NYC is pretty much the tops when it comes to food in general. And I'll finally taste for myself in a few weeks. (yay)

― Brian MacDonald, Thursday, 7 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

"There is life beyond NYC..."

Shame on you, Ned! Yer talking to a small-town Michigan gal, after all. Now if you want to fight about the Midwest aka Flyover Zone, name the time and place.

― Pyth, Thursday, 7 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Wouldn't know where to begin with that one, so you win by default.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 March 2002 01:00 (twenty-three years ago)

three months pass...

i want knishes

― anthony, Tuesday, 11 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

word, pyth. this major-population-centers-getting-a-free-ride-on-best-bank-evah claims is k-lame. best sandwiches evah: 1) west street deli in ames, IA 2) some deli in ann arbor, MI. best pizza evah 1) great plains sauce and dough co. in ames, IA 2) davanni's in the greater twin cities, MN. best tacos evah: 1) the ones at the taco stand behind the bait shop in my hometown when I was a kid (I had uh 1) 2) mom's.

― Josh, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't know why that says 'bank' but I stand by a similar claim for banks

― Josh, Wednesday, 12 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

URGH! cheesecake actually has cheese in it!

cheese? URGH!

― Wyndham Earl, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Whatever happened to Skafish, anyway?

― Colin Meeder, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Well, if you never like leave the midwest then you'll never like know that the food in the midwest is ass.

I don't understand, by the way, why everyone here seems to have thought that cream cheese and marscapone are SAVORY. They are both sweet. Just because they say cheese somewhere on the label does not make them non-sweet. Though ricotta isn't naturally sweet.

― Ally, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

stilton is made from sugar mainly

― mark s, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

could say the same about people coming to the midwest, ally.

― Josh, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah, except I think 99% of Americans have been to the midwest, being as it's about 4/5ths of our country, you know. The most miserable part of my cross country road trips was the midwest. Ugh. I don't understand how anyone stands to live there without building gigantic metropolises out of boredom. You can get pretty good coffee in diners there though. Diner coffee in cities sucks ass. I think they're in cahoots with Starbucks.

Really, most cheese isn't that savory at all. I shouldn't say MOST cheese but I would say about half of the stuff I've had has a sort of sweet flavor to me. And cream cheese (ie cheesecake filling) isn't even really cheese, I don't think, I think it's just called that (just like sour cream isn't really cream that's gone sour, that would be disgusting).

― Ally, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I suspect you didn't really get the point of my post anyway.

― Josh, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

2) some deli in ann arbor, MI.

Zingerman's?

When were you in Ann Arbor, man???

― Andy K, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Sorry, it was before I knew you!

I don't remember the name. Sort of Mediterranean/Middle East slanted, big list of numbered sandwiches. And pie! It's near the edge of campus, and around the corner from the Borders.

― Josh, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

i am so glad this thread was revived!!

― geeta, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't remember the name. Sort of Mediterranean/Middle East slanted, big list of numbered sandwiches. And pie! It's near the edge of campus, and around the corner from the Borders.

Methinks you were feasting at Amer's.

Well, if you never like leave the midwest then you'll never like know that the food in the midwest is ass.

Yes yes the food in the Midwest is generally ass. Why else would certain people feel the need to go on the Atkins diet, which is about as healthy as subsiding on dog food sandwich wraps? Howevah, if you like Indian or Middle Eastern or Thai or Ethiopian or etc., there are certain areas in this part of the country where you will do just fine.

― Andy K, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And and and and there's this nearby Jewish pizza place that actually doesn't offer a pizza with cheese inside the crust, below the box, within the box, as the box, etc. Er more importantly, they make this amazing pizza with peanut buttah and cashews and chicken not chicken that is sooooo good. The Midwest is not just a bunch of White Castles, Denny's, Church's, Popeye's, Shoney's, Wendy's, etc etc etc.

I can't believe I'm getting defensive about the Midwest.

― Andy K, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude, it's a good fucking place to live. Don't take their bullshit.

― Josh, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

And anyway more Popeye'seses and Church'sseses would be a good thing. Don't they tend to stop at the Mason-Dixon line or so?

― Josh, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah. Totally.

(And is it just me or is it only a New Yorker who would say that the midwest comprises 4/5 of our country?) (This evidently based on the "anything between Philadelphia and L.A." concept of "midwest?")

― nabisco%%, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

For reference the very-complex term "midwest" is inclusive of the following: Ohio (but only in its own Ohio-y way); the northern 3/4 of Indiana (but only in 30% of contexts because Indiana is sort of its own thing); Illinois (no caveat); Michigan (up until you get too far north and it gets weird) (and definitely not the UP, which might not even be "America" to be honest); Wisconsin (but see Michigan caveat); Minnesota (but see UP portion of Michigan caveat); and maybe 20% of Iowa. The other 80% of Iowa, plus Kansas and Nebraska, constitute the grainy-plainy "heartland" pseudo-midwest, which you'd only call the midwest proper to placate people who are getting confused and need quick non-nuanced answers.

Our next lesson will explain "the front range."

― nabisco%%, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Dude, all of Iowa and Kansas are in. Most of Minnesota, too. It just also gets 'Upper Midwest' along with parts of Wisconsin, Iowa, the Dakotas, etc.

― Josh, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Psst Josh some midwest solidarity is in order: not in front of the New Yorkers. Err but okay I'm willing to go up to 50-60% on Iowa but that's it: I'd include Nebraska before I'd include Kansas (I mean, you're including Iowa, right?) but like I said if we're considering them midwest then we're considering them like adjunct- midwest "heartland" which if we wanted to be even a touch more specific we'd have to separate out into their own little entity.

― nabisco%%, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

Oh, er, I meant Nebraska. Kansas at least part of it though.

― Josh, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

See, I don't think Ohio gets in at all. Its inclusion seems to baffle a number of people here.

― Josh, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I like how people from Chicago arbitrarily decide that Minnesota isn't part of the Midwest.

― Dan Perry, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(a) Please note that I did include Minnesota.

(b) Also note that I only included Ohio in the provisional Indiana- type way: they're like the drunk bored waiting room of the actual midwest.

― nabisco%%, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(Footnote to (a): My caveat was only supposed to mean that at some point as you go north through Minnesota you run into the Upper- Peninsula problem.)

― nabisco%%, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

in my "discover our brave allies" pelican guide to america which my grandad bought during ww2, it says ohio is in the midwest so ner

― mark s, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

(Even though that defends my position I'd still point out that every decade you go back in American history the closer Ohio becomes to being considered practically the west coast.)

― nabisco%%, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

MIDWEST PRIDE.

― felicity, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

I grew up near the ocean almost my entire life = I need the sense of an edge. The idea of living in the middle of somewhere with land stretching out hundreds of miles in all directions honestly freaks me out these days. Though I suppose the Great Lakes provides a respite.

― Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

No, not really.

― Josh, Friday, 14 June 2002 00:00 (twenty-three years ago)

five months pass...

Revive! Please talk about cheesecake and/or the midwest.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 24 November 2002 12:43 (twenty-three years ago)

ugh!! the midwest has cheese in it!!

― mark s (mark s), Sunday, 24 November 2002 13:03 (twenty-three years ago)

Viva Wisconsin.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 24 November 2002 13:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm still waiting for a cheese guillotine come Xmas time.

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 24 November 2002 20:15 (twenty-three years ago)

ha ha this thread!! i stand by everything i said on it. those wacky brits way up in the thread who don't like cheesecake are still mentalists. we should invite them all to NYC to see how it's done.

ps db can i call you 'cheesecake bitch' from now on

― geeta (geeta), Sunday, 24 November 2002 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

geeta, call me whatever babe, as long as you call me

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 24 November 2002 20:42 (twenty-three years ago)

the midwest should have the best cheesecake, but NY ownz cheesecake IMO

― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Sunday, 24 November 2002 21:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Cheesecake is yum. There's that slightly browned part around the edge, there's the smooth and firm top that holds it all together like custard; there's the hint of tartness that reveals itself upon first taste, like a sour candy. Then there's the sensible yet hearty graham cracker crust, the stately nightcap at the end of the indulgent bite. What's not to love?

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 24 November 2002 21:39 (twenty-three years ago)

the midwest seems to excel in chow mein noodle recipes, for some reason.

― donut bitch (donut), Sunday, 24 November 2002 21:39 (twenty-three years ago)

one year passes...

Wyndham, you best get the back of my wrist for that comment -- and I have very bony knuckles, so you would certainly be learning yourself a lesson. The combination of the texture, the tart, and the sweet in cheesecake makes one of the greatest dessert delicacies in the world.

― J. Gurthie, Monday, 20 September 2004 23:23 (twenty-one years ago)

what kind of man googles 'cheesecake' to pick fights?? get a grip mister

― jones (actual), Monday, 20 September 2004 23:29 (twenty-one years ago)

a renaissance thug

― the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Monday, 20 September 2004 23:32 (twenty-one years ago)

mmmmm cheeseycake!

― PinXor (Pinkpanther), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 07:13 (twenty-one years ago)

My mum's Chocolate Cheesecake is fucking lush.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Shit, I just realised that sounds like some kind of Garu G post.

― Chewshabadoo (Chewshabadoo), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 08:06 (twenty-one years ago)

Does Miki Berenyi know?

― Dan Perry '08 (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

SHE IS FUCKING TEH CAKE!

― aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Tuesday, 21 September 2004 12:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Jones, you should know better than to assume I'm a man. You know what happens when you assume: you make an A-S-S out of U and ME.

And Wyndham, I still haven't heard a peep out of you since I demanded an explanation for your unreasonable slandering of cheesecake. Some people make a living out of cheesecake, I'll have you know. Maybe you should look up the facts, and think twice about your nilly billy disgust.

― J. Gurthie, Friday, 24 September 2004 18:54 (twenty-one years ago)

Aldo, I'm shocked at your utter contempt for the English language. I should grab your open mouth and fill it with a bag of soap bars, that's what I should do, yes.

― J. Gurthie, Friday, 24 September 2004 18:55 (twenty-one years ago)

..and that goes for almost ALL OF YOU! I can hardly hold my stomach, dear lord.

― J. Gurthie, Friday, 24 September 2004 18:57 (twenty-one years ago)

eight months pass...

we hardly knew ye, j gurthie.

Some people make a living out of cheesecake, I'll have you know. Maybe you should look up the facts, and think twice about your nilly billy disgust.

haha!

― donut debonair (donut), Monday, 6 June 2005 20:59 (twenty years ago)

ten months pass...

cheesecake is wonderful. i've never had a flavor i didnt like, and only one time had a cheesecake that wasnt good (a bit too grainy).

― AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:15 (nineteen years ago)

I once made cheesecake with ricotta instead of cream cheese, and it was terrible. Delia knows nothing about cheesecake.

― Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:18 (nineteen years ago)

I have a sweet potato cheesecake recipe I've been meaning to try.

― pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:21 (nineteen years ago)

cheesecake is awful. i know this becuase i have never eaten it.

HOWEVER mascarpone-cake a la ed sounds good. ed make me cake with chocolate and marscapone

k thnx bye

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

Cheesecake is food of the gods.

Mmmmmm, cheesecake. Even strawberry cheesecake ice cream, which I thought would be a letdown, was utterly stupendous.

But ricotta - yes, WTF?

― Henrietta Leavitt and the Cepheid Variables (kate), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:28 (nineteen years ago)

maybe thats what made that one grainy. i normally love ricotta, but hmmm...

― AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:29 (nineteen years ago)

one of my finest creations was a Banofee cheesecake - OMG to that.

― Johnny B Was Quizzical (Johnney B), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:47 (nineteen years ago)

Bananas have no place in cheesecake. That's just icky.

― Henrietta Leavitt and the Cepheid Variables (kate), Thursday, 20 April 2006 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

bananas have no place anywhere outside bananabread, any idiot knows this.

― AaronK (AaronK), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:34 (nineteen years ago)

Cheesecake is a sweet, not a pudding. Spotted Dick is a pudding.
All are yum.

'though: custard tart >> cheescake.

― David Orton (scarlet), Thursday, 20 April 2006 13:38 (nineteen years ago)

cheesecake is foul and damn all those peeps who have made it so popular that the only cake anyone ever brings to a gathering is a stupid cheesecake. AND I DONT CARE IF ITS BLUEBERRY! that biscuit shite makes me gag. mud cake can die too.

WHY CANT PEOPLE LOVE PAVLOVA???

― sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:09 (nineteen years ago)

Mmmmm pavlova. Summer food of the gods, with fresh berries.

― Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:12 (nineteen years ago)

In my house it is known as SERNIK, and is DIVINE.

― JTS (JTS), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:18 (nineteen years ago)

pav with a grated cherry ripe on top = rawesome.

― lil' merzbow wow (haitch), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:20 (nineteen years ago)

Cherry Ripe = classic that is not to be found where I live :(((

― Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:26 (nineteen years ago)

my cat attacks for cherry ripe. me, that is. Jaq where do you live?

― sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:37 (nineteen years ago)

Middle of nowhere, Washington state. I used to work for a company out of Sydney and got addicted to 'em when I was over for business. Can you get them on-line somewhere?

― Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:45 (nineteen years ago)

sernik? sounds eastern european to me

what on earth is cherry ripe?
how do you grate a cherry, isnt that a bit messy?

― ambrose (ambrose), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:47 (nineteen years ago)

cherry ripe = candy bar that is cherries and coconut, covered in "old gold" chocolate. Don't ask me what old gold chocolate is about, I just remember that from the label.

― Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:48 (nineteen years ago)

my girlfriend made my parents cheesecake coated in raspberry jam and raspberries. AMAZING

― JW (ex machina), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:50 (nineteen years ago)

Jaq, there is a store 5 minutes up the road from me (in Arkansas) called 'Everything Australian'. Its an Australian family that have been in arkansas for 18 years now and they still sound like they just stepped out of the outback. They do most of their business online. Theyre a little overpriced but when you got to have the cherry ripe you've REALLY got to have it. you should also try tim-tams too if you havent already.

http://www.everythingaustralian.com/

Also - they sell pavlova magic and the passionfruit syrup that goes on top.

GOOD:
http://www.aussiefavourites.com.au/cornershop/images/cherryripe240g.jpg

EVEN BETTER:
http://hoursman.blogspot.com/goldengaytime.jpg

― sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 20 April 2006 14:59 (nineteen years ago)

what country is that from sunny?

― someone let this mitya out! (mitya), Thursday, 20 April 2006 15:23 (nineteen years ago)

god I would slaughter one of those cherry ripe blocks right now if one were within reach.

― lil' merzbow wow (haitch), Thursday, 20 April 2006 15:29 (nineteen years ago)

Australia!

― sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 20 April 2006 15:32 (nineteen years ago)

Alright, thanks sunny! They've got those Berocca fizzy-lifting cure-yr-hangover drinks too!

Now, back to cheesecake. Frozen cheesecake bars double-dipped in chocolate = yes please!

― Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 20 April 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

The jingle for golden gaytime goes:

"its so hard to have a gaytime on your own!"

which is so true

― sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 20 April 2006 15:33 (nineteen years ago)

we're a pretty... obvious country when you think about it.

― lil' merzbow wow (haitch), Thursday, 20 April 2006 15:38 (nineteen years ago)

Cheesesteak also actually has cheese in it.

― Austin Still (Austin, Still), Thursday, 20 April 2006 17:26 (nineteen years ago)

at work at the moment we're doing a t0bl3ron3 cheesecake and by god it's incredibly tasty

― Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 20 April 2006 19:46 (nineteen years ago)

Sernik is the name given to "cheesecake" by Polish people, like my paternal grandma. But these are superior. It has a very aqueous, "cornflour"-like texture which is sublime.

― JTS (JTS), Thursday, 20 April 2006 23:45 (nineteen years ago)

I had many a Cherry Ripe! And a "Turkish Delight"... but what i had the most was the Cadbury Dreambar that was white chocolate with strawberry filling.

― DOQQUN (donut), Friday, 21 April 2006 02:23 (nineteen years ago)

(omg J Gurthie.. I almost forgot)

― DOQQUN (donut), Friday, 21 April 2006 02:25 (nineteen years ago)

turkish delight = so good

― sunny successor (katharine), Friday, 21 April 2006 02:34 (nineteen years ago)

I'm guessing deep fried cheesecake is available in Scotland?

― dr lulu (dr lulu), Friday, 21 April 2006 02:35 (nineteen years ago)

ach, gee bile ya heed

― Ed (dali), Friday, 21 April 2006 05:00 (nineteen years ago)

what kind of man googles 'cheesecake' to pick fights?? get a grip mister

-- jones (victorygarden...), September 20th, 2004 8:29 PM. (actual)

there are so many great things in this thread.

― gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Friday, 21 April 2006 06:19 (nineteen years ago)

one year passes...

This thread = awesome.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:01 (eighteen years ago)

Is Pavlova always dry and crunchy like a styrofoam cookie? Because I had it once and it was like that and I hated it. Give me cheesecake, pls.

― Laurel, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:04 (eighteen years ago)

I would expect a styrofoam cookie to be tough and chewy, based off of memories from when I was 5 and liked to chew styrofoam.

― HI DERE, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:05 (eighteen years ago)

Carrot Cake has carrot in it.

AND THE FIRST ONE TO MAKE THE KUMQUAT JOKE GETS IT!

― Mark G, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)

Cheescake! Made with mascorpone! Nyom nyom nyom. The real question is: American-style or British-style?

― aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:15 (eighteen years ago)

chocolate cake has chocolate in it, but never, never enough.

― darraghmac, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:20 (eighteen years ago)

What the hell are the Britishers peoples going on about at the top of this thread?

― Casuistry, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:48 (eighteen years ago)

pudding and digestives and public transportation

― brownie, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:55 (eighteen years ago)

Kumquat cake has quat in it!

― HI DERE, Thursday, 27 September 2007 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

This is the thread that reunited me with the delightful Cherry Ripe! Time to order more. (thx 4evar sunny!)

― Jaq, Thursday, 27 September 2007 16:00 (eighteen years ago)

twelve years pass...

This thread = awesome.

― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Saturday, 22 August 2020 00:34 (five years ago)

gdi now I want cheesecake

― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Saturday, 22 August 2020 00:44 (five years ago)

good job threadstarter never thought of making mayonnaise from scratch. I mean if you get the heebie jeebies from processed dairy products ... step the fuck back from raw egg yolk based cold sauces for another 12 years!

― calzino, Saturday, 22 August 2020 01:09 (five years ago)

As suggested/written by a writer friend this week:

https://www.kqed.org/bayareabites/138866/flavors-at-home-baking-the-bay-areas-most-hyped-cheesecake

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 August 2020 01:11 (five years ago)

I know this wasn't written by her but I love Soleil Ho and her articles in the Chronicle

― Dan S, Saturday, 22 August 2020 01:17 (five years ago)

URGH! A Cheesecake War

― Philip Nunez, Saturday, 22 August 2020 01:28 (five years ago)

xp haven't read any articles by Nastia Voynovskaya before now

― Dan S, Saturday, 22 August 2020 01:30 (five years ago)

If I had anyone to serve it to I would love to make cheesecake.

I made bread yesterday for the first time ever after zooming with my baker cousin. It came out fantastic, better than I could have ever expected

― Dan S, Saturday, 22 August 2020 01:41 (five years ago)

I’ve made cheesecake twice in the past month, it’s pretty hard to screw up. cheesecake > most other cakes

― brimstead, Saturday, 22 August 2020 01:45 (five years ago)

I love other cakes though, especially the coconut cake made by SusieCakes

I like cake much more than pie. All of my family members disagree

― Dan S, Saturday, 22 August 2020 02:01 (five years ago)

I discovered that cheesecake had actual cheese in it embarassingly late, but my reaction wasn't "URGH!" it was "wow, you can do that with cheese? can I have some more please"

same with carrot cake tbh

― CP Radio Gorgeous (Colonel Poo), Saturday, 22 August 2020 02:22 (five years ago)

Soleil is indeed great. Nastia’s very cool and a good editor too, having written a few pieces for the site.

― Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 August 2020 03:35 (five years ago)

something that can put up a fight against its big dairy flavor. A smoky Pedro Ximénez would do well here;

word

― brimstead, Saturday, 22 August 2020 04:04 (five years ago)

I was surprised to learn that pumpkin pie actually has pumpkin in it. I've never been able to the square the two, aesthetically. Just figured it was a special kind of nougat or something.

― henry s, Saturday, 22 August 2020 13:18 (five years ago)

I made a creamcheese + marscapone coffee cheesecake a while ago - the coffee from some strong esspresso and a dash of this:

https://mrblack.co/content/uploads/sites/4/2019/09/Mr-Black-Cold-Brew-750ml-Front-On_CReam.png

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 23 August 2020 01:50 (five years ago)

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