Driving someone from ILX - classic or dud

700 posts by Wednesday, 3 people to have left forum 'for good'.

Yay another pointless stirring thread from the vicar!

700 posts by Wednesday, 3 people to have left forum 'for good'

Nah, I give it less than 10 posts before it's locked or deleted.

Don't look at me, I'm quitting ILX forever.

i'm not letting any of you people in my car.

So far only Dr. C has said he misses having Kate around. I'll also take credit for Marcello. Plus I banned some people. Mighty and powerful isn't quite the word, more a swell of civic pride. Like Jim Broadbent in Hot Fuzz.

Surely Matt DC has the best claim to Marcello? You can have the assist, if you like.

I'd like to claim on Carmody and Dog Latin, anyway.

http://www.madisonavenuejournal.com/images/daisy-car-thumb.jpg

Tombot was either going to lock this or buy into its concept. Or both. Move to ITR?

That'd be two dirty vicar threads in as many weeks. Has he really earned it?

Marcello was my doing, but mostly because he thought me accidentally banning him was Stevem deliberately banning him.

I am leaving ILX.

^^^thread contains last ever funny Esteban post

It was truly the goalmouth scramble of ilx departures xp

was the Marcello one deflected off my shin or was the NHS IP thing a red herring

maybe I was the one who lofted the free kick into the penalty area

huzzah

It took me a few posts to realize this didn't mean something along the lines of "What ILXors would you carpool with?"

My answer to THAT would have been "ALL THEM, I hate busses"

i nearly got tombot to go :(

I'm working on one now

stand back and watch the master

i anticipate funnies and lockage

let me guess jw is it a GURL you know in REAL LIFE?

In all honesty, I know I overreacted to everything last night. But between the feeling that I'm part of the "nu-ILM" that some people want exiled and the fact that I can't post anything about rap (or anything period) without trife stumbling in trying to start some shit, I'm getting that "hitting my head against the wall" feeling. That, and I figure I've contributed little of substance but one-liners, probably because it's the only stuff I feel safe posting without getting shit thrown at me. (I don't know how nickalicious can take it, personally. Well, OK, maybe I do -- he's not fucking neurotic.) And yeah, I know trife was trying to be "friendly" in my birthday thread, but then he just turned that into another "let's shit on Def Jux" thing. And "punk is for racists"? See, I can't even tell if he's joking anymore. I've seen him post about Balzac without making the obvious scrotal reference, so I know he's not a moron, but the only thing he seems to be trying to do most places is get himself over. Seems like 90% of the time, when he's not starting his own threads, his contributions are limited to jumping into other peoples' threads and bitching about how awful everybody's tastes are, as if he thinks he's rescuing hip-hop for the REAL ILM heads or something:

Exhibit A
Exhibit B (where he gets served by Chuck Eddy)
Exhibit C
Exhibit D

And really man, I could get on some Pee-Wee's Big Adventure shit with an Exhibit Q (a model of the ENTIRE SHOPPING CENTER!), but I won't. Maybe I can't take a joke, but I just don't feel like that sort of shit is really laden with humor potential in the first place.

At the risk of quoting KRS-One and thus making myself out to look corny, my problem (if you're curious) is that I take this hip-hop shit too serious. Every time someone posts about rap it's "trife to thread" this and "i need some advice from trife" and "wwtd?" which makes him out to be the ILM rap grand poobah of huge swinging dickdom, and when the ILM Rap Authority's main arguments are things like "Outkast fans are patronizing closet racists", that makes me feel like my opinion on ILM re: hip-hop isn't welcome. I've been having a hard time in the last few days, and usually music is the thing that cheers me up, but when I feel like I can't be "right" about music then I just get pissed off. And then I make a retard of myself on a public messageboard. Hooray!

I am feeling somewhat better, at least. Johnny "Guitar" Watson's "What the Hell is This" can have that effect.

-- Nate Patrin (Nate Patrin), Saturday, September 20, 2003 11:06 AM (4 years ago) Bookmark Link

Bored at 26

without even counting his hammer-happy banfinger I think JW probably has to be the absolute champion of this in terms of sheer numbers

I wouldn't like to set OUT to drive someone off ILX, but if someone left b/c of me without my having made a special effort to make them unhappy, I wouldn't be wracked with guilt, that's for sure.

chaki scored a hat trick without really trying

Who finally pushed Kate off the diving board?

The actual winner of this tournament doesn't even exist, so lol at the rest of you.

Becky Lucas?

i guess i wuz dead wrong

Whoever created lj.ytmnd had me for a few months. They can have an Honourable Mention.

Kinda miss hardcore Ethan.

If I've ever driven anyone off of ILX, I don't know about it. I know people have attempted to drive me off, or at least have taken potshots at me because I've either agreed with someone they dislike or have expressed myself in an imperious manner that wasn't meant to be taken as seriously as the offended party took it. Also, I've upset people because my sense of humor finds unintentional and/or ironic cruelty funny. I don't think anyone's left because of me, though. (I suspect I helped one person decide to leave, mostly because said person was emailing other people about how awful I was. That situation was odd because this was a person I never said anything negative about and regularly defended against a lot of unnecessary criticism.)

Whoever created lj.ytmnd had me for a few months. They can have an Honourable Mention.

-- Just got offed, Monday, 5 November 2007 16:25 (22 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

^^^^still #2 when they google yr name

and i miss Kate too!

xpost: I know! TBH I don't really mind much.

i thought kate left cos she got in trouble at work.

i thought that was just what the illuminati wanted fnord us to think

i guess i give everyone the benefit of the doubt and assume they leave ilx because they have gotten a more interesting and fulfilling life.

or strict web control at work and/or better job

Kinda miss hardcore Ethan.

-- Dom Passantino, Monday, November 5, 2007 11:26 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

weed >>> coke

gotten a more interesting and fulfilling life babby formed/laid off/in trouble/a new SO

intentionally driving someone out would be douchery of the highest order. but some people be havin ridiculously thin skins.

Poor Martin Jol.

you always try to make this about HIM!

how do the types of geeks who post on ILX make it all the way to fucking college with such thin skin? you'd think they all came from incredibly privileged insular backgrounds, that or they spend all their time being miserable

-- El Tomboto, Monday, 5 November 2007 16:00 (38 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

#1 reason for people being driven off ILX: generalisations! I can roll with the zings, the stick, the abuse, but I can't roll with the judgements and character assassinations. There's a difference between being thin-skinned, and not letting people walk all over you.

http://www.impossiblefunky.com/images/archives/issue_6/scrappy1.gif

but I can't roll with the judgements and character assassinations

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1807349.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=DF96DB48C96E42777A17723C4CAA0E17A55A1E4F32AD3138

hes TELLING US HOW TO DO IT

Have a ball, dudes.

wait why is JWB carrying a knife?

one man's zing is another man's character assassination, is another man's concession of 28 goals in a single match (could ghave been 31).

I was only in goal for the first half. A mere 13 went past this man's gloves. Left-back was a somewhat tougher challenge, alas.

wait why is JWB carrying a knife?

-- Mr. Que, Monday, 5 November 2007 16:45 (2 minutes ago) Link

didn't he attempt to slide down a drape with a knife?

Where's the thread with the LJ post that begins "Your advice for writing about fiction is sound"?

i think the problem is that ILX is essentially refereed by several Graham Polls.

didn't he attempt to slide down a drape with a knife?

maybe, but i thought he broke his leg when he hit the stage??

it was a butter knife

There's a difference between being thin-skinned, and not letting people walk all over you.

yes indeed. Having to deal with ILX cockfarmers is tiresome, and if they have collectively turned on you it must be very annoying, were such a thing to ever happen.

i just can't see why people would want to leave somewhere if it's full of people who spend their days driving folk away and congratulate themselves about it. sounds wonderful.

I suppose it is the old thing about clubs that will accept you as a member being shite.

chaki scored a hat trick without really trying

-- El Tomboto, Monday, 5 November 2007 16:22 (1 hour ago) Link

http://www.gifs.net/Animation11/Jobs_and_People/Musicians_and_Singers/Conductor.gif

i dont even know my list to tell you the truth

It seemed like a bit of effort went into one of them, to be fair

turning ilx into your highschool lunch table - C/D

It seemed like a bit of effort went into one of them, to be fair

-- That mong guy that's shit, Monday, November 5, 2007 10:23 AM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

with who?

I for Inevitable

oh. i wasnt trying to drive luna off. once she was called out she left cuz she was ascared.

Those people I would most like to see driven from ILE are precisely the ones who would be least easy to drive. Just like the oafish brother-in-law who moves into the basement room, watches tv all day, eats whatever isn't nailed down and never does his laundry, you cannot be rid of these people short of a nuclear detonation that would destroy all life in a 150 mile radius. So, I don't even try.

i like when people get pissy butthurt and threaten to leave when posts THEY MAKE are reposted in nb joke threads or something.

There's a giant US/UK divide on this one I think, with some exceptions. What happened to the UKers who used to cheerfully slag each other off and insinuate terrible things about people's mothers?

they all found out the stuff about each others' moms was true and became very embarrassed

I think they got married/babbies/stuff and now they try valiantly to meet for beers once a month or so, or take in a Clientele show. lol aging.

I don't think you can claim to be "driven off" unless there's been credible death-threats involved.

turning ilx into your highschool lunch table - C/D

For me, this happened in 2000.

I think they got married/babbies/stuff and now they try valiantly to meet for beers once a month or so, or take in a Clientele show. lol aging.

-- Laurel, Monday, November 5, 2007 1:33 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

yea but they don't want kate showing up so they don't post about it here

Stop trying to manufacture trouble, young man.

Its amazing to see every single messageboard and/or forum devolve into this shit, no matter how well intentioned or supposedly intelligent its' inhabitants are.

yeah well what do you do with posters who are not well intentioned or particularly bright

ILX: There's A Giant US/UK Divide On This One

You are at a party, and you get bored. You say "This isn't doing it for me anymore. I'd rather be someplace else. I'd rather be home asleep. The people I wanted to talk to aren't here." Whatever. The party fails to meet some threshold of interest. And then a really remarkable thing happens: You don't leave. You make a decision "I don't like this." If you were in a bookstore and you said "I'm done," you'd walk out. If you were in a coffee shop and said "This is boring," you'd walk out.

You're sitting at a party, you decide "I don't like this; I don't want to be here." And then you don't leave. That kind of social stickiness is what Bion is talking about.

And then, another really remarkable thing happens. Twenty minutes later, one person stands up and gets their coat, and what happens? Suddenly everyone is getting their coats on, all at the same time. Which means that everyone had decided that the party was not for them, and no one had done anything about it, until finally this triggering event let the air out of the group, and everyone kind of felt okay about leaving.

http://www.shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html

xxxp Yeah, it's too bad, really. That never happens in real-life human societies, must be something about message boards.

And then, as time sets in, difficulties emerge. In this case, one of the difficulties was occasioned by the fact that one of the institutions that got hold of some modems was a high school. And who, in 1978, was hanging out in the room with the computer and the modems in it, but the boys of that high school. And the boys weren't terribly interested in sophisticated adult conversation. They were interested in fart jokes. They were interested in salacious talk. They were interested in running amok and posting four-letter words and nyah-nyah-nyah, all over the bulletin board.

And the adults who had set up Communitree were horrified, and overrun by these students. The place that was founded on open access had too much open access, too much openness. They couldn't defend themselves against their own users. The place that was founded on free speech had too much freedom. They had no way of saying "No, that's not the kind of free speech we meant."

if you walk into a room where a bunch of people are hanging out and talking, and after doing your thing for a while you find... a lot of them don't like you, well, is that 'uncivil' or is it maybe cos you're a pain in the ass

lol xpost tom

Its amazing to see every single messageboard and/or forum devolve into this shit, no matter how well intentioned or supposedly intelligent its' inhabitants are.

OTM it's like magic.

I don't think it's that amazing, though? like Laurel said, a group of people can't interact in the same way over time in life, either.

i can think of a handful of times on ilx when i'd been 'ganged up on' and, wahey, in even very close retrospect it was clear the idea i was on about was either utter garbage or legitimately ridiculous.

the possibility is always there, in all things, that if something has gone wrong, interpersonally, it's your fault. maybe your 'tormenters' are right to 'hound' you.

GET ONE SENSE OF SELF thx

I don't think its safe to say that of every real life social situtaion though. I've worked in environments that managed to stay enjoyable and drama-free for years at a time.

lack of perspective/lack of charity/solipsism/misfiring mirror neurons = big big pet peeve of mine

working environments are different...lots of structures in place to keep people from turning on each other, not the least of which=profit motive.

xpost to Jon

we've yet to be sued unlike other message boards i participate on

Remind me never to slip up and say something stupid at gff's party, then I'd surely deserve to be ganged up on and driven away by the pitchfork-wielding townfolk!

Work environments do not equal friends/social circles AT ALL. Everyone at work is constrained by WORK-NESS and having to present a very modified, limited, or even fake view of self to their colleagues. I mean, that's just silly. hahah xxxp again

Of course this shit does happen in real life, just not with the clockwork regularity with which it happens on message boards.

Hey Jon, wanna come out for drinks? Wear something...flammable.

People get ganged up upon when they say stupid things all the time in practically every context!

Nevermind. Why am I arguing with people intent on justifying their online douchebaggery?

chaki u srs?? details? jesus i'd be fucking embarrassed to stand in front of a judge crying about some intarweb beef. that is like my vision of hell, tbh

xp hey jon that is exactly not what i'm saying.

I'm not trying to justify my online douchebaggery! I'm saying there's nowhere on this earth you can go to be safe from douchebaggery.

so we should make ilx for profit? :o

xposts galore

gff is also saying something different than Laurel and I were saying, though I think he's pretty much right.

the front page of the site should read 'ILX: justifying their online douchebaggery'

Jon, for reals, man, it's not about it being ONLINE. I'm sure there are people in your life, even possibl in your family, who you disagree with, or wish would grow-up/change/realize something in particular. It happens.

my point is if something has gone sour it might help to figure out what you yourself did in that situation. you can only control your own behavior, rite? "take a look at yourself first" /= "expect to get shit on for saying anything"

I'm not arguing that Laurel, I agree! I'm just trying to understand those that seem to be saying that its okay to be a dick on the interwebs because real life dicks exist. That seems like silly justification to me.

xpost - Ha, work environments DO do the same shit, though! I mean, I've worked in a place where someone was forced to quit because of middle-school crap with the powerful/popular women hounding her more or less over a boy -- professionalism helps nothing.

I also think wrt deteriorating group dynamics, there's often a utopic moment when people are first friends (or on the same messageboard together or whatever) where they idealize the group and think somehow that no matter how conditions may change as time passes that that group of people will always make each other happy in the same way. and then when that inevitably turns out to be untrue it's extra-upsetting.

gff -

this chick went nuts after people started "attacking" her "friend" jessica hopper

http://board.crewcial.org/topic/229210/&r=1207

xpost yeah, the other thing is that work environments aren't really safe from this stuff, either. it's a matter of difference in degree.

It's okay to be precisely as much of a dick on the internet as you would be in real-life, with real-life consequences. The problem is that a whole bunch of us on ILX would probably never interact socially given our druthers, we'd make plans with just people we liked. ILX is not that place, everyone is (barring killfiles) equally visible per their posting habits, so swords are crossed more often, probably.

in fairness chaki the details of that bco thing are way worse than anything that's happened here

ANYTHING?

lol that thread is nuts, chaki!

my point is this: some people in life are rude or clueless or irritating for any number of reasons -- many without realizing it. the "not realizing it" is the kernel of the problem, actually. polite people can't really do anything about them bcz putting the hammer down is beyond the limits of politeness.

...until someone takes a shot at the 'irritant' and then all hell breaks loose. but like i said: people with limited ability to get a read on the people around them and figure out what's appropriate to say or do are a big pet peeve of mine -- i recognize that kind of cluelessness in myself, still.

i'm glad that not every single one of my human societies devolve into this shit

I will probably regret posting this, but people who think their social circles haven't registered this kind of shit probably have some friends who are irritated as fuck and repressing it.

i would not trust, nor would i choose to interact with anyone who would not call me out when i'm being a dick. i do it, it's true but i try to limit it. but it's gonna happen so if someone, or a lot of someones, call me out rather than get all mr. sensitive hurtfeelingsguy i think i'd probably try to find out why i'm getting called out. if it's valid then fuck it, if it's not then fuck you. but to be surprised that it happens is lunacy.

Isn't it more that this place is a melting pot of social circles. I mean there are loads of social circles here that could go a long time without descending into this, but when they rub against each other frequently it's all lol, all the time

confusing internet message boards with communities: classic or dud?

that said: horseshoe is OTM about a number of things on this thread.

ILX0rz that are happy to admit to being assholes >>>>>>>> ILX0rz that are making really lame excuses for assholery

xxxps: HS OTM. Sort of like "if your family doesn't have a crazy cousin/aunt/uncle/whatever, then that person is you."

all lol, all the time

oh man if only

yeah, grimly fiendish, obviously there are things about the internet that make being a dick/being direct when someone annoys you easier. but I don't think it's all that different from life, really.

how often do y'all find yourselves 'holding your tongue' on ilx?? it's a couple times a day, for me, at least

ha! gff otm.

Depends on how many times per hour I refresh, gff. Killfiles are the way of the future, man.

I scored this one without even trying!

Will the real Pleasant Plains please step forward.

confusing internet message boards with communities: classic or dud?

In lieu of actually having a real life, some of us make do with message boards, grimly. Consider yourself lucky, I guess.

i do not understand killfiles on ilx

I dunno what your point is about msg boards not equaling communities, GF...? Or are you one of those people who thinks the internet doesn't matter?

Chaki, I'm telling you, they're a godsend. Because you know if ILX were in a bar there would be people I would never talk to, by choice. And if I stood far enough away from them, I wouldn't even have to ACCIDENTALLY OVERHEAR anything they might utter. Killfiles are the equivalent of going outside for a cigarette.

I am totally impressed that this thread hasn't even gotten nasty.

I thought killfiles were the equivalent of giving someone the finger and throwing your beer on them, only the beer and the finger are invisible.

hey suck a dick tom

Talking about how you have someone killfiled is the equivalent of giving someone the finger and throwing your beer on them. Killfiling someone is the equivalent of moving further down the bar away from them.

Also lol gff

but I don't think it's all that different from life, really

no, maybe it's not ... which worries me and fascinates me in vaguely equal measure. i dunno: i just wish people didn't get so het up about it. it's a fucking message board, for christ's sake. (if i had a quid for every time i've typed that, i'd have ... some quids.)

but then i think that about real life, too (cf my frequent conversations with mrs F about her sisters. or with my mum about hers. etc.)

xposts

In lieu of actually having a real life, some of us make do with message boards, grimly. Consider yourself lucky, I guess.

okay, this is an interesting point i hadn't considered. let me mull it over. in the mean time ...

I dunno what your point is about msg boards not equaling communities, GF...? Or are you one of those people who thinks the internet doesn't matter?

no, i think it matters enormously. but just as i shrug and say to my mum: "why are you letting your [1] family upset you?", i kinda shrug here and say: "why are you letting another poster upset you?"

perhaps everyone else invests a lot more in their ILX relationships than i do. (and RH's point is making me think, yes.) but i think the key difference is between people who post quickly and zingily and don't really think it matters, and those who take everything to heart. and, in fairness, i think ILX at the moment operates more on the former level than the latter -- for better or for worse.

thoughts?

[1] missing footnote: yes, i know they're my family too. but the difference is ... i don't let them upset me :)

i use my scroll bar to bypass posts i do not want to read.

I have one of those memory wipe guns from Men in Black.

The bar metaphor is a tad weak, though tempting for obvious reasons. Inasmuch as a thread is a kind of colloquy, a conversation at a party, say, killfiling is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears everytime someone speaks and saying, "Nyah, nyah, nyah." It's fine, I guess, but you may miss lots of a thread's context by so doing. I like actually stepping away from a boring thread instead and like chaki, I often just scroll past parts of a thread.

I dunno, I think the difference is that with family or good friends, someone says, "you're kidn of being a dick" or "...obstinately clueless" or whatever, and either you go off in a huff and everyone ignores you until you get over it, or you think it over and decide what you're going to do about being perceived as a dick (Why? Is it one person's opinion or widespread? If there's something I need people to help/do/adjust for me, is it fair to ask them? Am I masking something more important with dickishness and would it be better to unmask it? Etc.) You can't just walk away from family over some perceived slight (or if you did, they'd be well rid of you), you gotta STICK IT OUT.

So from that point of view, calling things like you see them, if done with a little actual investment of your own, is a strong vote for the continuance of the community -- you believe that it's resilient and that people will grow within it.

calling things like you see them

isn't the problem too many people doing just that?

and other people reacting very badly to it?

:/

There's a giant US/UK divide on this one I think, with some exceptions. What happened to the UKers who used to cheerfully slag each other off and insinuate terrible things about people's mothers?

I keep being reminded of someone (from the US part) replying to me, after I asked why you guys were so nasty, that it was all just in fun. I don't know... Part of me doesn't really get the jokes/quips/zings (from the US part) because 1 I'm not American and 2 this board seems to be so "flat" (qua text) so I lose half of the intention and 3 I don't build enough "personas" of the posters (read: I forget 80 procent of what they write/are). Also, I tend to understand English humour better. I think.

Also, I usually don't give a shit. Or not enough to really post about it.

Also, I do miss Kate. And the other departed ILXors, but those I am still somewhat in contact with. I know some are assholes, but as I don't interact with them on a daily basis in *real life*, so what if they are douchebags, right? That said, I dislike some people online and even though I know it's silly cause I'll never meet this people online, I still can't get past that.

I don't think I have ever driven someone off a board really. 1 I don't think I have it in me and 2 I don't really think it's that GREBT/fun or whatever. And 3 my newborn baby keeps me busy, I guess. Then again sleep deprivation can fuck you up, I know. Hysterical.

Whatever. You're all a bunch of dicks. Depending on the hour of the day.

That internet/real life comparison only works up to a point.

The problem is that a whole bunch of us on ILX would probably never interact socially given our druthers, we'd make plans with just people we liked. ILX is not that place, everyone is (barring killfiles) equally visible per their posting habits, so swords are crossed more often, probably.

^^^^

killfilin' is totally weak.

That internet/real life comparison only works up to a point.
As I just discovered at my desk, having railed at one of our columns in a style that would be tame here, but had them all taken aback and "tell us what you really think" ect.

Have a ball, dudes.

-- Just got offed

I agree: to be like 'man look at my epic cojones' is tantamount to the downfall of Lucifer Morningstar, or falling into the classic trap of letting hubris/balls be your downfall. One ball is a good compromise between pride and complete lack of self-worth or any intimation of such.

Simon, maybe I was trying to explain to the people who take it badly why it's not nearly as flippant or disengaged as they think it is. Whatever, basically why the hell am I making explanations? It's like I'm channeling nabisco or something.

The only thing I think is weak about killfiling is that you need to use Firefox in order for it to work.

I live in what is apparently the only place on earth where my wife doesn't want to kill herself. That place is in a dry county, so there is no local bar where friends and I can get together and shoot the breeze. It's in one of the reddest of red states, so I'm surrounded by people who want my liberal commie pinko ass dead anyway. I'm agnostic and extremely allergic to organized religion, so finding a church community is out. It's in one of the least educated places in the country, so a conversation about art and culture is hard to come by.

What else do I have but internet message boards?

ILX's decline is incredibly upsetting to me, because I hate it here, I want to leave, but I'm a social creature and I have no idea what I'd replace it with.

I miss Sam. Slagging Texas on HOOS feels a little tepid.

What else do I have but internet message boards?

I picture poor Rock Hardy sitting in a rocking chair on his porch, waving at passing cars, whenever ILX goes down.

ILX0rz that are happy to admit to being assholes >>>>>>>> ILX0rz that are making really lame excuses for assholery

But the best of all in all situations is non-assholes.

Title question: I think it is pretty damn dud mosta the time.

to what degree are the lol zing and bash posts really part of that decline? did mark s and tim hopkins and ptee and ewing all leave because of that?

another thing, obviously longtime posters are five or six or even seven years older now, but I get the idea the average age of the regulars is about what it ever has been. that's certainly having some effect because somebody just discovering the boards at 19 is going to have a very different idea and experience of things than I did at 24.

having railed at one of our columns

which he HADN'T ACTUALLY READ. the dick.

Whatever, basically why the hell am I making explanations?

because you do it very well?

What else do I have but internet message boards?

dude. woah. a holiday to glasgow?

I gave up being a non-asshole on the internet a long time ago, I think. Now I just want to seem like a relatively fair asshole.

calling things like you see them, if done with a little actual investment of your own, is a strong vote for the continuance of the community
Laurel OTM ... but it often reads like the lol zing posts have 0 investment to them.

which he HADN'T ACTUALLY READ. the dick.
Did I not mention it was ILE-style?

otmbot. "my" ILX is almost certainly not the same as "your" ILX, esp if you've been around a lot longer.

i'm, what, third generation? fourth generation?

Mission accomplished, Tom.

there are 3 or 4 original ilxors here i think

I am not to be channeled.

I live in what is apparently the only place on earth where my wife doesn't want to kill herself. That place is in a dry county, so there is no local bar where friends and I can get together and shoot the breeze. It's in one of the reddest of red states, so I'm surrounded by people who want my liberal commie pinko ass dead anyway. I'm agnostic and extremely allergic to organized religion, so finding a church community is out. It's in one of the least educated places in the country, so a conversation about art and culture is hard to come by.

What else do I have but internet message boards?

Sadly OTM for yrs truly except I live in this lil' Democratic pocket that spans from El Paso to SE New Mexico (curious!). It is still pretty much a chimera of Hicksville and Dullsville, however. ILX is nice insofar as I don't have to explain what every word I say means, dumb myself down, or (most frequent) just stay a shut-in and feel bitter about my city (this is happening at an increasing rate But we're pretty much stuck here 2+ yrs until we graduate.

I also like ILX because I can be totally silly and nobody cares! A lot of times IRL my v. silly and sometimes absurd sense of humor tends to alienate people. Only advantage: being able to zing ripostes right over peoples' fucking heads, straight to their faces, a bittersweet thing indeed.

I have a big problem with the perception that ILX has declined.

ILX has changed. The population of people posting to it now is different from the population who posted seven years ago, plus the people who have been around since the beginning now have seven years of shared history that inform their current interactions. It should be expected that they way people communicate now is different from the way people communicated in the past; furthermore, with the light-handed moderation rules that have always been in effect, it should be expected that the tone of conversation is going to be driven by the people participating rather than policing by the moderators.

There is a relatively simple solution for avoiding interactions you dislike; when they start to piss you off, stop reading them. If a particular poster always gets on your nerves, don't respond to them. Start conversations that you want to partake in. If your conversation gets hijacked, start another one. Actively solicit responses from the people you do like talking to.

You can't have this many people on a forum and expect everyone to be civil without much more draconian posting guidelines than anything that anyone on ILX wants to implement or enforce. Given that, you have to either accept the situation and find what you can enjoy from it or move on to something else; a lot of former ILXors started Livejournal communities that seem much more "genteel" than here (although not noticeably "nicer", at least from what I've observed). There are also bourgening Facebook communities as well as setting up private email lists, chatting with folks via instant messenger, etc etc etc. ILX is not the only way available for you to interact with people and, if you are really unhappy posting here, there is no reasonable or rational reason why you continue to do so.

</nabisco>

OT fucking M!

HI DERE otm

I SAID DON'T CHANNEL ME
I AM LEAVE ILX FOREVER NOW
THANKS A LOT

it's like when nabisco left, everything changed on ilx. the decline started there.

What else do I have but internet message boards?
In a parallel universe, you have a lot of CDs, including a Magma box set, acquired for 99 cents during an incredibly unbelievable Amazon sale.

I miss Sam. Slagging Texas on HOOS feels a little tepid.

she didn't even have a real reason for leaving except being RONG.

But how'm I gonna start my new OTM new age cult without the channeling, nabisco?

forget it, he's gone

i'm quite enjoying this decline really though i still haven't found the point where doompatrol style posting went from freaky trolldom to business as usual

rip nabs, u will be mist

heaven needed someone to be OTM

xp re: asshole-ism.

I don't know why it's so difficult not to be an asshole on the internet. Even mild-mannered me called out Louis on something dumb, and he rightly called me a cunt for it. It's just so easy to get carried away but really I feel I should make more of an effort not to.

I would feel bad if anyone left because of something I wrote but I doubt that will ever happen.

it's only really business as usual on some threads. and also enrique and dom just lol zing as opposed to flat out telling random people they've never met "you impotent balding cunt you are but a cockroach compared to me and my massive influence on everything cool in london cunt"

agh I have a horrible word omission:

ILX is not the only way available for you to interact with people and, if you are really unhappy posting here, there is no reasonable or rational reason why you should continue to do so.

dan OTM above. the thing i'd add is that not only has the population changed; the size of that population, whoever makes it up, has presumably increased substantially -- meaning it's gone from, i dunno, cheers-style bar/village pub to ... er, center parcs or something.

is that who people mean when they talk about lol zing culture on ILX? I never know what that means.

xpost to Tom.

though I can definitely understand why some folks esp. longtime regulars probably find the lol zing action more stultifying

i'm quite enjoying this decline really though i still haven't found the point where doompatrol style posting went from freaky trolldom to business as usual

This happened in 2003.

Also lol zing was probably a lot easier to deal with when it was only me and it only happened once a week in the most oblique, pussified way possible.

I'm not sure they know what they mean, quite, either, Horseshoe. Some people mean Dom/Ethan, some people mean all noisebored-style crossfire, some people mean whatever they don't understand, I guess.

this thread should be retitled ILX State of the Union.

But I will say that I've started replying to my work colleagues' more light-hearted emails with jpgs instead of text.

<i>"you impotent balding cunt you are but a cockroach compared to me and my massive influence on everything cool in london cunt"</i>

ah those were the days

ha including nostalgic tags!

Altho not one of three people "got" an illustration from Aesop's "The Fox and the Grapes", which was disappointing.

Classic.

I want to have massive influence on everything cool in Boston cunt but my wife would leave me ;_;

oh and while we're here what happened to momus?

lol zing culture hasnt "ruined" ILX but it has ruined my IRL social interaction as per laurels posts above

so, I'm sorry to be dense, but lol zing culture is just people posting zings? lots of those people post other stuff, too.

lol non-zing pragmatism!

Hahahahaha DG! Momus finally got tired of being called a reactionary cunt and stopped posting. I miss him even though I found him to be outrageously infuriating.

my definition of lol zing is summed up better than I could ever have imagined by like the first 10 posts to Tracer's thread here:

why must every moderately successful store in the UK be immediately turned into a chain?

xpost but he was the biggest troll of the lot! he loved it!

Momus always seemed a little old to be here anyway.

okay, I get it. thanks, Tom. but "lol logic of capitalism" is actually a substantive answer to the question.

I think sometimes zings are seen as gratiutous ad hominem attacks, ie if you can't be bothered to pick apart someone's argument in a rational way, just hack on their momma. The problem is that sometimes people make throw-away unrelated comments ON PURPOSE to show total lack of interest in the argument in the first place, ie that is so baseless/specious/biased that I don't even have patience for it. So...people more sympathetic to the orig argument are offended and see the criticism as a "lazy zing", when really it's a very pointed expression of contempt.

I can't believe I just wrote a whole paragraph on zing culture, god, it's like explaining your own freaking jokes.

i miss momus. not so much wooden wand, for example.

okay, I get it. thanks, Tom. but "lol logic of capitalism" is actually a substantive answer to the question

ha, that's what i thought! zing culture: redefining communication for the new generation.

or something.

where's that lee harvey momus pic

when really it's a very pointed expression of contempt.
Yep! I think it's the contempt more than the lazy zing that offends. I mean (psych 101 ahead) relationship counsellors always say that contempt is basically the one thing they can't fix. It always dooms a relationship in the end. And, to some readers, lol zing just makes the place look like it's filled with contempt.

Really though the throw-away zing should be something stupid and not offensive in and of itself...I start getting uncomfortable when the disposable comment is actually the really hurtful one.

it is xpost

Comtempt is some harsh shit for real.

contempt for the poster vs contempt for the post. if people start going around, say, reviving every dog latin thread ever just to post a lol zing, then, you know, BAN.

banning is pretty weak too.

this thread moving too quickly for old people like me...

Anyway xp to tom's post about that thread about chains...

That thread got quite interesting in the end but has now deteriorated into Glaswegians trying to work out where they are. Still though it was good to get beyond the zings (even Dom conceded something) and I guess some people might give up when confronted with that kind of onslaught.

But anyway, would people rather read zing-contempt, or would they rather read what the zinger really thinks of them and/or their arguments? Because we're back at "yeah well what do you do with posters who are not well intentioned or particularly bright?".

btw in that case even though Ed asked for one it wasn't clear that Dom or enriquit really had it out for Tracer, just a problem with the thinking behind his question. And luckily I don't think either Ed or Tracer have ditched the boards because of it.

I meant, generally, overflowing with the rotten, bilious embers of contempt is Do Japan-level of Bad News Bears.

banning is more necessary than people probably assume. cf my link upthread about online groups

I mean we can bring max r back if you want.

and wagemann.

That's funny, I wanted to answer the chain-store thread with "LOL CAPITALISM" but didn't get around to opening it this morning!

Yeh, you can have contempt for the post, but engaging with it anyway still turns out OK threads, like Ned says. There's a contempt which is contempt for the whole process. And that's corrosive.

i don't know/care who those dudes are so maybe not the best examples.

guys, this is the internet.

I know the internet.

contempt for the poster vs contempt for the post

which, sadly, is often confused by zingees and zingers alike:

sensitive reader: "OH NOES SOMEONE HAS ZINGED MY ARGUMENT THEY HATE ME BOO HOO I AM LEAVING"

insensitive writer: "HEH I DISAGREE WITH THIS POST I WILL ZING THEM 'LOL YOU ARE A TOTAL WORTHLESS CUNT'"

which means everyone ends up getting upset.

internet-style upset

http://www.100yen.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/the_internet.jpg

L-R: zing culture, sad people

zing

serious business.

I'm trying to think what it would take to drive me from ILX. Methadone?

stet, I think a major problem, certainly one of mine re ILX, is that there are levels of engagement and then levels of engagement: there are a whole bunch of posters/issues/etc that I already know how they're going to respond/turn out, and there's no point in my getting emotionally involved and caring about the outcome of something that might as well be pre-determined. On the other hand there's the whole "silence = tacit approval" dilemma. The zing is maybe more a gadfly of reminder that there are dissenting opinions, without nec side-tracking whole thread and starting an all-day disagreement that gets increasingly legalistic and nit-picky.

That thread got quite interesting in the end but has now deteriorated into Glaswegians trying to work out where they are.

roffle roffle

Stalkers. Stalkers would drive me away. So don't start stalking on me y'all.

xxp

Phrases of Contempt

The phrase "Can Bite Me" is generally used in conversation to indicate spontaneous contempt for the target object or concept, often with undertones of humor.

Examples
When discussing the pros and cons of Windows vs. Linux, the pro Linux engineer might say "Windows can bite me" while the pro Windows engineer would say "Linux can bite me."

That makes sense, but the whole "if you don't like things just ignore them" argument that everyone's racing to OTM applies there too. xpost to Laurel

and i would say "windows and linux can both eat a bag of dicks in hell".

Oh, I don't think people should ignore things they don't like. I just think they should dislike different things.

OTM. Still, this morning's fresh-baked zings have resulted in a day's side-tracking anyway!

Deeee-licious.

I guess I don't hate ILX itself as much as I hate needing it due to real-life circumstances. Obviously, that's my problem more than the board's.

But I do think ILE is in decline because zing-oll-contempt is spreading. I don't think I'll ever be convinced that Luna's demolition last month wasn't carried out more for entertainment than as a public service.

correction: zing-oll-contempt

WTF?!

oll

el oh el

Waht??? Anyway, I think like adolescence, it's just a phase. Bound to happen, really, otherwise this place would be Cuddlestein Mtn and totally unbearable in like three weeks. There's a place for everything IN SYMBIOSIS, which I think was a big reason for not splitting the nb off from the rest of ILX back when we switched platforms. However it swings from twee to zing olls and back, there'll be people who object to every reversal. Nature of the beast.

this place was twee back in the day believe it or not

Haha I was about to say this thread is kind of weird because ILX has *never* been as bitter and nasty and downright personal as it was in 2001-02. It was kind of genteel in places and beyond nasty and mental in others. We've actually lost the two most combative posters of all time in the past few months!

The old-school silverback type posters Tombot mentions upthread all check in here from time to time and have little flurries of posting, but I think a (quite reasonable) objection is that ILX is kind of an exhausting message board to keep up with especially for people in much more responsible positions that five or six years ago.

Maybe it's because I see all these people on a weekly basis that I don't think they've gone, but talking about an 'ILX community' as if it were just the contents of these message boards is kind of misleading. There's all sorts of other stuff that goes on, offboard, in pubs and bars, or on related sites like Freaky Trigger that counts as well. As most US Ilxers to have visited in the last year or so will confirm.

Tweest period ever on ILX = spring 2003.

Visited London in the last year or so, I mean. And the Aussies will probably say the same thing ;)

xpost nah ilx was properly twee, there were really only one or two psychopaths acting up

Yes, VERY NOISILY.

mmm indeed

but now there's a litlle bit of marcello in all of us

Tweest period ever on ILX = spring 2003

it was probably my appearance

that's disgusting

xpost

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadsInMonthControllerServlet?offset=0&year=2003&month=7
ILX Twee glory days
Water vs Coke FITE; Liz Phair; Well done Cozen; Who is tallest person in Music?; Pashmina's Big Day out

Look, sinister will go down in history as a Twee fucking Village of cardigan-wearing, biscuit-nibbling, blah blah blah whatever, but the early days esp in chat were TOTALLY not. People impersonated other posters, made up fake personas and used them to entrap others for olls, and generally raised hell, up to and including a regular diet of slagging off the band to their faces whenever they visited the chat room. Of course in some ways it was all a COVER for inner sensitivity and soft-heartedness but that's a different story.

So when you say ILX was always twee...it wasn't in a helpless baby way. I used to be massively intimidated by the posting style & speed of things & people's little jokey little jabs.

are we going to say olls now

i think people get confused when they click on a 5 year old thread and see ally and jess posting like pip from south park.

no one cares about sinister

test: lols

are we going to say olls now
i was pissing about for olls, but I turned it off again. It's optional now.

Maybe you don't. But my trip to ILX was basically following people who left the B&S list when it got waterlogged and not very interesting, and the atmosphere I remember of ILX back in 2001 or so has way more in common w/ early #sinister than it does with insisting that ppl should be all sweetness and light all the time.

I don't care so much when people zing me with spreadsheet jokes. I care very much when people like Stormy Davis or Laurel take me down piece by piece in long paragraph format. But that's probably my problem.

none of you are CaptainLorax, so right now I love everyone here

oll

i sort of want to get into a really creepy/vicious ilx fracas just to know what the fuss is all about.

cos i love to read that shit, when it happens

ILX used to be all about

http://www.stcustards.free-online.co.uk/mepic.gif

IT WAS A FRACAS
IT WAS A FRACAS

(I don't remember how the song goes after that)

If nothing else, zing culture has rid ILX of fucking Molesworth references, so tbh I'd quite like some appreciation around here.

chiz chiz

that appreciation has come in the form of your not being permabanned after that dog latin shit

Ahahaha see I love Starry and Molesworth so I'm all for that.

that appreciation has come in the form of your not being permabanned after that dog latin shit

http://www.paperimpressions.com.au/skillsEDIT/clientuploads/13/DSC_0184mod.jpg

the serious side of me saying that is: this kind of shit tends to be invited, a little bit.

t/f: the common feature of people 'driven' from ilx or routinely subjected to lol zings: they talk about themselves 2-3x more than anything else

i sort of want to get into a really creepy/vicious ilx fracas just to know what the fuss is all about.

Ugh, it makes stomach-aches.

I actually left ILX once for a month a couple of years ago because I got verbally reamed out by someone who I thought at the time was my favorite ILXor. I don't think anyone noticed, and I'm pretty sure the zing-er never knew how hurt the zing-ee was.

dog latin doesnt really seem very hurt over it. i saw his new pics on wdyll thread.

x-post -- Yipes, that's no good.

apologize, Ned

olls

blolocks

Oops. (God, I hope I never did do something like that...)

I thought Rock was driven away when Tr4cer H4nd showed his true pin-stripes.

It thought zing-oll was zing-oil, like a zing-oil salesman.

let's all try to get along

the idiot thread repository would like to take this opportunity to apoligize for driving you all off of ITR.

i'm not letting any of you people in my car.

-- carne asada, Monday, November 5, 2007 4:10 PM

The Idiot Thread Repository would also like to take this opportunity to apologize for John's atrocious spelling.

aploligize

but talking about an 'ILX community' as if it were just the contents of these message boards is kind of misleading

this is a very good point. i'm also mulling this one over.

stet: if i'd known you were serious, i'd have suggested something funnier than "oll", which i typed with half a hand while putting my coat on. jesus! talk about a missed opportunity.

The Idiots have gone off the thread because of JoJu.

which i typed with half a hand

dude ew

thought Rock was driven away when Tr4cer H4nd showed his true pin-stripes.
No, I take that back. The incident was very mild.

jesus! talk about a missed opportunity.
I'm thinking about 'chiz' now

dan: they work me to the bone.

stet: yes, just so i can imagine the look on dom's face.

correct spelling is for the cautious and fearful.

It should be something much longer than "lol", like "haha lookit me, I have no genitalia and it makes me so bitter and sad I have to lash out at everyone around me, feeding into the vicious cycle of loneliness and despair".

also btw raise yr hand if you have noticed that somebody needs to invent a way to perform spellcheck on labelmakers, especially in your office (PLASTIC UTENCILS)

xpost the shorthand for that is 'ILX' dan

That's only 3 characters! If you're going to regex "lol" for lols, replace it with something ludicrous.

like nabisco

oh shit sorry!!! it thought that was still in effect plz fixx!! sorry man!!!

oh wait i am a numbskull -- haha wtf i need to go home

many fine suggestions for lol replacement here: SECRET ILX SYMBOLIC HOBO DICTIONARY

^^ haha at the height of that I saw "nabisco" in a post and thought "SHIT another one through" xpst

olls

So far only Dr. C has said he misses having Kate around. I'll also take credit for Marcello. Plus I banned some people. Mighty and powerful isn't quite the word, more a swell of civic pride. Like Jim Broadbent in Hot Fuzz

Don't flatter yourself that your actions of any consequence, Tombot. Kate left because of work issues as far as I know. I said I miss her around here (I'm not the only one who's said that fwiw) and I do - she's said plenty that I disagree with over the years but she's a good person and doesn't deserve all the flak from the zing-merchants that are dragging this place slowly into the gutter.

Likewise, Marcello - a truly good man who I'm proud to know.

zing-merchant is unfair unless the poster is actually making money from his/her zings.

yeah, it would have to be apprentice-zing-maker.

or unpaid zingtern.

or lolunteer.

wait does a zing merchant sell his own zings, or does a zing merchant sell other people's zings, like in a reposting????

hlolbbyist

the zing merchant procures zings from a master zingsmith and provides them to his lol patrons at an appropriate markup

The preceding sequence of posts is kind of too perfect.

Hands up everyone who knows that comparing yourself to Jim Broadbent in "Hot Fuzz" is not a positive comparison?

one hand or two

depends on how furiously you're "typing", I suppose.

what have you monsters done to my lovely board :(

Question: Are there people on ILX that think of the last 15-20 posts as a sequence of zings? If so, that would explain a lot of the confusion around here.

POLL^^^

MOVE ZING FOR LOL JUSTICE

i started getting confused when the whole 8080 / blood diamonds thing happened.

i still do not understand.

probably a good thing that "dogtits" never caught on then.

i miss dogtits

That would have been completely dogtits!

Did dogtits every become a FB/JJ drink?

no. feel free to design and report back on appropriate thrd.

something non-sugary this time, for the love of pete

this is correct. r kelly nearly killed me last time.

Pretty sure attacking Tom and insinuating that he's a terrible human being who should only feel smaller and more helpless is crueler than like 90% of disposable zings.

Also: not funny.

Well, particularly in the context of completely misunderstanding his post and getting the exact opposite information out of it than it intended to impart.

Lolrel OTM

People were attacking Tom? Man these zings can be subtle.

tbh I got really embarrassed when my sleep-deprived/hungover/still-drunk-the-morning-after flame of kate got reposted like 200 times but if there's anything I've learned from 2007 it's living with your mistakes

that post is pretty classic but if it were about me id cry everyday

just try not to push my buttons whenever I've put myself in terrible condition

gotcha

Rock Hardy drove me away from Scrabulous.

;_;

rock hardy zings me a lot on scrabulous this is true

Well...I've met Kate in real life, much as Tom has, and she didn't mention Masonic rituals once. Actually, she seemed pretty nice, and good fun. Much like I suspect most people on here are. I know that on ILX she sometimes had a tendency to get all neurotic/self-obsessed, but she's definitely not alone on that score [/black pot]. I think 'zings' are fine as long as they're a) funny, b) original, c) non-judgemental and d) directed at the recipient, rather than mentioned on a thread where they're not posting, behind their back, as it were. The reason I got all 'thin-skinned' at caek's quip earlier wasn't that he'd said my writing-style was the opposite of ideal, it was that he'd said it as a piece of serious advice on a thread I wasn't participating in.

Driving someone from ILX is dud, unless that someone is deliberately messing things up for others and contributing nothing positive. In the end, though, it should be a personal decision whether to stay or leave; people should be able to tell if they're getting anything out of the experience.

"there are 3 or 4 original ilxors here i think"

Altho I've been here just under seven yrs now, I still don't feel like a longtime poster (nor do I feel like that ilxors perceive me that way). </denial mode>

Also Chaki re Sam: FFS, get one clear grip.

I feel like long-time poster as I've been doing shit here on/off but mostly on for 7 years but it's always a shocking revelation. I do not care about anything, must get shower.

ok. explain it to me, genius.

xpost

*runs off whimpering* (not)

im honestly asking you for an explanation to your "Chaki re Sam: FFS, get one clear grip." statement.

sam said it was fucked up that i was calling out "her friend" with baseless accusations and she left because of it. it turned out my accusations were not baseless and she was wrong. what exactly am i not getting?

Maybe it wld be clearer if she said 'get one of grips'? (ADmittedly it wasn't clear to me either but then again I am luving in a fog of 'huh?' lately)

xp

could part of the problem be that certain people have trouble "getting" the tone of ilx? this happens when people spend time with me and my friends--they're shocked at how flippant and mean we are, and how disinterested we are in having certain conversations (usually conversations/arguments we've had 100000000 times before). but once they understand that its just the standard of behavior for our social set it makes a lot more sense. it took me a couple months to "get" the way ILX works but once i did i started spending a lot more time here.

That is def. my problem w/the noize board: a lack of shared culturaql language. Gaze not long into the Abbott...

i wish i had never 'got' ilx

started spending a lot more time here.

deej you're "one of the gang"

http://www.slate.com/id/2105434/ <--- chaki's fate

yes

Compared to other messageboards I've been on, this place is a) sharper, b) far more likely to call you on something, c) funnier (perhaps the most profound difference), and d) ruder.

has the dirty vicar posted once on this massive thread he started?

another martyr to the cause

How long
How long must we sing this song?

why wont stevienixed answer me?

Stevie Nixed Birthing today...

her attention is possibly divided thus: 98% baby, 2% ILX

dammit xpost

Sounds like someone needs to work on a little something we call "priorities."

thats awesome that she can still take jabs at me in between feedings

maybe ophelia, irritated at no longer being the subject of SN's undivided attention, has hacked her account and is busy posting incriminating stuff on an ILX meta-thread

i've just worked out ilx!

All this zing culture has ruined ILX for me. Back in 2003 I would come in drunk at 2am and do mean things to stupid threads & now there's nothing left for me to do.

Tom can you repost that kate zing ... ! :D

Chaki Sam didn't leave expressly because of you or the Luna crap, it was just a last straw thing, I gather. Moot point now anyhow.

I'm totally not into anyone feeling it is their obligation to zing/abuse/drive people off here on purpose. That just seems pointlessly cunty to me, but thats my own view and I dont expect other ppl to hold it.

All the ILXors I've met in person - and that's all the nearby mongrels, plus Donut and Mookie - have been awesome peeps. Most of the ILXors I've spoken to personally off board have also been really nice... sadly there's a few exceptions though. I've had a few too many unsolicited filthy chat up incidents over the years, but I'll write em all off to drunken horseplay. I don't really mind.

sorry trayce

i would love to suckle from your last straw trayce

classic moments from Tom and others (including me)
Rolling HARDMAN thread 2007

okay ban cpn loradx pls

that is my first, and possibly last, such request & it was not in jest

"thats awesome that she can still take jabs at me in between feedings"

as you may know from experience (or not), one can have a real life and still spend time on a board. baby does not eat up entire life, chaki, only sucks tit.

also what trayce said PLUS i dont feel it's sth to gloat about. (i know, i know u're right about it, uh not sam but that *other thing*, in a way.) i just feel we should be more hippie/loving. pple have been extremely cruel at times. words can hurt.

ok. point taken.

twas a joke

The word 'zing' is straining under the weight of all the things people are terming a zing by now.

Like Shakespeare said: "What's in a zing."

It also serves to outline why there's a massive disconnect between your Laurels of the world going "why are people endlessly complaining about zinging, zinging is mostly harmless" and the Dr Cs going "constant zingers are dragging ILX into the gutter".

It's either that or assume that the former posters are being very disingenuous and the latter overly handwringing and judgemental.

question: if somebody already makes it clear that they don't want to be zinged, would you still zing them unprovoked?

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I have driven someone from ILX well the ITR at least. a small victory, but a thousand points of light etc.

ITR > whole of ILX anyway

I would hate what I'd become if I ever drove someone from ILX.

There's no way that I would regard myself as mighty and powerful if I did it.

I miss all the people who have gone.

My mind is boggling at what you would have to do to get banned from the Idiot Thread Repository. Assuming CaptainLorax isn't trolling the ITR with lots of weighty questions about Proust and Darfur and global warming.

I take the credit for ridding ILX of Mickey and Manalishi = I win. But I'm assuming you don't miss the creeps and the racists.

Insulting people over the internet is rather like the Wizard of Oz. Strip away the curtain and you'll find a sad little old man behind it.

We should have troll return December, where each week one classic ILX troll is unbanned and allowed to run riot.

Maybe the people who'd been driven off by the trolls could come back then as well, and then leave again immediately

Marissa?

(OK, OK...)

this thread gave us 'lolunteers'

and the latter overly handwringing and judgemental

No handwringing here, Matt. Judgemental – maybe. Maybe it depends how you use ILX – I have always been more interested in chatting/discussing stuff with a small number of posters, mainly UK-based.

ILX is what it is, it goes in cycles, things change, people come and go. ILX has been fantastic, maybe it will be again, but for me, at the moment it’s poor because some people who I like a lot (online and IRL) have gone. If they’ve been ‘driven’ from here, that upsets me. There’s also too much outright nastiness, and sadly some of the people dishing it out don’t seem to have anything else to offer. You all know who they are.

It was a real eye-opener to see what goes on in other parts of ILX – there’s something pretty pitiful about taking bits of people’s posts to snigger at and ridicule behind the bikesheds. Also it’s pretty much impossible to avoid zingfests – which used to be possible. In that kind of environment I feel very reluctant to post much of anything at the moment.

Obviously I will be seen as self-righteous, pompous or worse. Maybe I’m clinging to the idea of some kind of golden age of ILX that never existed, I dunno. Anyway, on we go…

In that kind of environment I feel very reluctant to post much of anything at the moment.

^^^could have fooled me

I don't post as much as I used to, because of these problems

Dr C, I don't think it was ever zing-free. We tend to forget the nastiness in the past when comparing it with the present state of affairs. In a way I think we need to just take it all with a grain of salt. I know I do (when it comes to zings). I tend to take some things too seriously. But then when people attack other people (whom I like) I can't but take it a bit too seriously.

In a way you *need* to stay to make it a nice place (for me, heh!) but also so that when some other (departed) come back they can feel home again.

In the spirit of discussing the important issue of harassment on ILX, I have provided catering for this thread:

http://www.liewcf.com/blog/wp-images/kfc-zinger-maxx-burger.jpg

I post about once or twice a day at the moment.

Nath - you're right, as ever.

Please think of another wisecrack, Dom. I'm sure the world is waiting.

"there’s something pretty pitiful about taking bits of people’s posts to snigger at and ridicule behind the bikesheds"

is it really more pitiful than what goes on in other corners of ilx, to whit emailing each other 'porn-quality' pictures of imaginary cock-teasers with issues; or the weird cult of kate on the watercooler threads?

It is a shame that Kate left.

And I mean that most sincerely.

I mean, she could have had THREE of those Zinger Burgers for breakfast. With chips.

Please think of another wisecrack, Dom. I'm sure the world is waiting.

-- Dr.C, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 11:03 (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

Sure. Please give a rough date of this so-called golden era of ILX. I assume you're talking about Robin Carmody repeatedly comparing Dave Stelfox to a member of the British National Party, Becky Lucas, Kate St Clare writing and recording a song specifically about how much she hates another ILX poster, Padgett vs Patrin, and Graham. I can understand how, compared to these very pinnacles of social poise and elan, gershy posting something Louis Jagger said to the noize board followed by the word "lol" may look like the rape of the lock, but I dunno.

In that kind of environment I feel very reluctant to post much of anything at the moment.

^^^could have fooled me

me too if not for the statscock giving it away.

For the Record, Kate left ILX for a break and decided not to come back because she felt better not being here. She didn't like the way things had gone here and the behaviour of certain posters. I miss her around here but see her enough IRL in any case.

RIP calum

anyway 2001 was the golden age. apart from doomie. and marcello. and...

When Susan she was just 18
Married a boy so peachy keen
She thought 'Hey hey, hey hey hey
Now my life is complete

Susan thought she'd love her man
Just as she had planned
But she thought 'Hey hey, hey hey hey
A bird in the bush is worth a man in the hand

Chorus:
Susan is a lesbian
Susan is a lesbian
Susan is a lesbian now

Susan met her at a dance
Wallet chain and combat pants
She thought 'Hey hey, hey hey hey
Now I've found romance

But Susan's world was at and end
Saw her girl with a boyfriend
She thought 'Hey hey, hey hey hey
It's not a lifestyle, it's a fashion trend

There was a sexual revolution
But nobody heard
A girl who likes girls
Is still a dirty word
She could have just rebelled in the usual way
But she heard Lesbians are chic
And drugs are passe

^^^^original zing culture

golden era was easily <a href="I AM THE AMAZING RANDY;>August 10, 2003</a>

i thought the whole point of message boards was to have arguments. if it was just people otm'ing each other, it'd be sort of lame. leave that to livejournal communities.

lol bbcode

RIP googling lyrics

All this boils down to is mopey fucks like Ed and Dr C who can't cope with people proving them wrong, and then they feel the need to make personal, abusive attacks instead. It's kinda pathetic really. So let's just accept that I'm write, and start a poll to find the best Jean Reno performance.

I'll be honest, all of this makes me think "hey hey, hey hey hey"

So let's just accept that I'm write

not dom's fault he didn't go to school

zing!

The point of message boards is to have discussions, either just OTMing each or casting around insults or attempts at 'humour' really doesn't cut it as discussion.

huht

RIP semi-serious Passantino posts

xpost

the difference is dom can deal with this zing

Can we send "Ed" to a zingbin?

can you explain what the "insults" on the chain store thread were, ed?

Dom, I have 'attacked' you personally, once in a request for you to be moderated. I try not to interact with you because observation has shown it isn't worthwhile.

okay, I get it. thanks, Tom. but "lol logic of capitalism" is actually a substantive answer to the question.

-- horseshoe, Monday, November 5, 2007 8:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

I don't think I accused anyone of being insulting, just being 'inane'.

The point of message boards is to have discussions, either just OTMing each or casting around insults or attempts at 'humour' really doesn't cut it as discussion.

-- Ed, Tuesday, November 6, 2007 11:13 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

OTM

The point of hair is not to style them into shitty try hard white boy dreadlocks but oh well.

tbh i think the creaky notion that waxing nostalgic about a marginally earlier form of capitalismbefore the big battalions moved in isn't really that progressive (hell it was a big plank of nazi ideology in the 20s) and i'm not about to tread carefully around it. but maybe that's me being inane.

This is why you can buy "FRANKIE SAY" and "CHOOSE LIFE" t-shirts from clothing stores for girls not even born in the 80s these days.

Not that I have a problem with that.

The point of message boards is to have discussions, either just OTMing each or casting around insults or attempts at 'humour' really doesn't cut it as discussion

you know what? This should be at the top of every page of the board in big bold letters.

The elephant in the room here is that many sane, rational posters have left over a period of years because ILX is perceived as being full of fucking mentalists and this thread is doing a wonderful job of disproving that.

It's also kind of sad that when someone throws a massive 'I am quitting ILX forever' type strop you get a get a huge clusterfuck and when they just quietly disappear no one notices.

they always come back, matt.

The point of message boards is to have discussions, either just OTMing each or casting around insults or attempts at 'humour' really doesn't cut it as discussion

you know what? This should be at the top of every page of the board in big bold letters.

-- Grandpont Genie, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 11:21 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Can you _please_ stop having a go at Dog Latin's sitcom script? For fuck's sake...

Grandpont Genie OTM

Why do people pick on Dog Latin?

(Actually it's by and large the people who quietly disappear who don't come back and the people who make a massive scene of it who do, but I think that's kind of what Enrique was getting at).

yeah i was talking about jon d rly.

i agree with bell_labs -- the quiet quitters are probably rubbing along fine.

It's also kind of sad that when someone throws a massive 'I am quitting ILX forever' type strop you get a get a huge clusterfuck and when they just quietly disappear no one notices.

This is the way the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

this --posting on a msg board -- is no way to spend yr 20s, is it, let's face it?

It's no way to spent yr 30s either :/

spend*

sort of a novel way to waste yr 40s tho

Yeah I think the quiet quitters are quite happy not to come back, and it's not like there aren't other ways of staying in contact.

ilx has always been a hive of mentalism

facebook >>>>>>>>>>>>>.ilx

not quite the same thing.

Ken has a point. You can't play Scrabble on ILX.

All this boils down to is mopey fucks like Ed and Dr C who can't cope with people proving them wrong, and then they feel the need to make personal, abusive attacks instead

What Ed said. And what Mark said

Dom, I said the golden age probably never existed. Fwiw of all of the examples you listed I have only heard of Becky Lucas and Graham. I missed the rest. I have no idea what the Dog Latin thing is either.

Oh, and how have I been proved wrong?

anyway the glaswegians are to blame this time for not letting ILX die when there was a chance of getting rid of it forever

I miss the golden age of ilx when 50p was paypalled to you every time you posted. This era may not have existed, but I think I'll talk about it at length.

you're confusing ilx with idiot petrol-head tv personalities.

xp

:(

All this boils down to is mopey fucks like Ed and Dr C who can't cope with people proving them wrong, and then they feel the need to make personal, abusive attacks instead

Plenty of people are hypocritical, but it is rare to find hypocrisy encapsulated in a single sentence.

This "Golden age" is always going to infuriate those who, by implication, assume that this was before their time.

What does that even mean? xp

I've never found Ed or Dr C to be mopey

i can remember the golden age clearly

But maybe because i've met them in real life I've got a more rounded idea of who they are or might be (xP)

it was when we had that thread where we all posted pictures of ourselves in front of another ilx0r's on WDYLL. that was bloody good

You do all realise this is getting you all precisely nowhere, right?

I feel slightly ashamed for breaking my rule of never doing meta. I'm going to go an start a thread about something.

i don't think any of us are on ilx because we wanted to get somewhere matt!

Plenty of people are hypocritical, but it is rare to find hypocrisy encapsulated in a single sentence.

Chillin' out, takin' words on an internet board seriously.

Hell yah, dude.

You do all realise this is getting you all precisely nowhere, right?

^^^this should be in bold at the top of every ilx page

Here's another:

It is not our job to entertain you.

It's great that, no matter how pathetic a panty-twisted shitstorm we set up, we're still never gonna get as many weekly posts as a fucking Chicago thread

(That's meant to be general, not aimed at anyone specific) xpost.

That is great, actually.

can you explain what the "insults" on the chain store thread were, ed?

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, November 6, 2007 11:14 AM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

ilx needs to be held ransom for buffy boxsets again

buffy boxsets fite evah shocker

grandpoint genie's trolling has finally been put to an end. i raise my glass to matt dc, and hope his pint may be continued in peace.

Did I say there were insults on the chain store thread?

Rolling token gifts to thank Matt DC for the awesome job he does moderating ilx thread

i want my mod powers back you usurping cunts

you said we were 'making it unpleasant' and referred in this thread to insults.

but if you don't want to bite

I don't think I accused anyone of being insulting, just being 'inane'.

-- Ed, Tuesday, November 6, 2007 11:16 AM (40 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

how?

cf

okay, I get it. thanks, Tom. but "lol logic of capitalism" is actually a substantive answer to the question.

-- horseshoe, Monday, November 5, 2007 8:23 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Link

First five posts ought to serve as a good example.

What was insulting about those first five posts, Ed?

Their inanity?

you may not have been insulting on the chain store thread but you were by turns mocking, bullying and defensive

and it hurt my feewings

His wife is away as well so I had to go round and give him a hug.

mocking i give you, but generally i only bring "da fire" when i think the o.p. is not a rube. so it's kind of a mark of respect, really.

xp

wow i'm flattered

lol

biting sarcasm oof.

Are you a bully IRL, Dom?

Lady, if you have to ask... (etc)

APEMANTUS
Canst not read?

Page
No.

APEMANTUS
There will little learning die then, that day thou
art hanged.

Have you stopped beating your wife?
xxp

Who?

What you may think of a humour, dom, most others would think of as hurtfully and borderline libellous.

xpost

I feel slightly ashamed for breaking my rule of never doing meta. I'm going to go an start a thread about something.

-- Ed, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 11:43 (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

You leave in the morning
With everything you own
In a little black case
Alone on a platform
The wind and the rain
On a sad and lonely face

Mother will never understand
Why you had to leave
But the answers you seek
Will never be found at home
The love that you need
Will never be found at home

Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run away.
Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run away.

Pushed around and kicked around
Always a lonely boy
You were the one
That they'd talk about around town
As they put you down

And as hard as they would try
They'd hurt to make you cry
But you never cried to them
Just to your soul
No you never cried to them
Just to your soul

Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run away.
Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run away.

Cry , boy, cry...

You leave in the morning
With everything you own
In a little black case
Alone on a platform
The wind and the rain
On a sad and lonely face

Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run away.
Run away, turn away, run away, turn away, run away.

Thank you for the dedicated thread. Usually I would say that the feeling of warm authoritarian glow is reward enough, but I do like to unwind with a bit of May to December after a hard day pummelling innocent posters into the ground for the crime of expressing their piercing insights.

Who was the wife-beating comment directed at?

I assumed it was you.

Matt, actually when you locked the troll vs zinger thread it was the first time I have ever had one of my threads blocked. I wasn't too bothered tho as my question had been answered to my satisfaction.

Thank you for the dedicated thread. Usually I would say that the feeling of warm authoritarian glow is reward enough, but I do like to unwind with a bit of May to December after a hard day pummelling innocent posters into the ground for the crime of expressing their piercing insights.

I'm happy that 1p3 was chosen to be the go-between in all this. As an 1p3 mod, this reflects upon my standing in the ILX community and enhances my status a shining example to you all. Especially to the whiny wife beater (please e-mail if you wish to launch a libel suit).

(xxp) I assumed it was a comment on Dr C's (somewhat loaded) question to Dom and nothing more

i'm a bully in real life

1p3 was so much better in 2004

Yes, ken is nice on ILX and horrible in real life

1p3 was so much better in 2004

That's it, I'm suing you for libel.

you can't libel by stating facts, king boy

you can measure performance of a board quantitatively by the amount of kaos ani there are.

so really, like this kao

http://www.anikaos.com/0032-kao_licca_kao-ani/kao_licca_kao-ani_22.gif

you haven't got a leg to stand on

We don't need yr animes when we got hen fap where it's at.

hen fap are the po man's kao ani

Oh, go jack off to your kao ani hentai dojin!!

bless you king boy

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/28/63882428_3a98bde248_o.gif

Thing is, you can blabber on about what a board is, at the end of the day it's whatever you want it to be. But you'll have to accept that others may not feel that way.

The stopped beating your wife comment.

*rolls eyes* Never thght I'd hear this lame-oh comment so often. First heard it 16 yrs ago in my Logic class. Twas old hat then, it's even worse hat now.

Oh shit, that pic was s'posed to be on the WDYLL thread.

Freudian posting

And to think I quit university cause of Freud (and Lacan). heh

I think everyone here needs to chill out and laugh at the nonsense I posted to the racial slur thread.

(Sorry, the racist fraternity thread that turned into a racial slur thread.)

I like pizza.

There should be a little icon that you can include in your postings that indicates that you are not being sarcastic.

calum.jpg

Lacks sincerity.

I doubt there's been a sincerer ILX poster that C-Man

there is a universal symbol of sarcasm.

but not one of non-sarc.

I doubt there's been a sincerer ILX poster that C-Man

OTM

If you don't believe that then you don't believe in discourse

Good job UK

http://www.metimes.com/images/photos/full/20070730-032511-4083.jpg

The last 100 or so posts have been read through taut fingers.

Gripping too tight?

Good lord.

So anyway...I don't think "zings" (whatever we've decided they are, for today) are totally harmless, I just think they're a natural outgrowth of a whole bunch of people rubbing shoulders continuously who probably wouldn't associate in real life.

I'm not at all interested in being universally accepting (shocker), I think sometimes people and ideas are wrong, or non-sensical, or not very well thought-out, or potentially harmful, and without crusading an undue amount, if I were given the chance to speak against those things, I would. I don't think that discord alone is RUINING ILX in some vague way, that it was ever supposed to be an unfallen Eden where everyone loves and accepts uncritically. How completely boring.

Strange thread.

I think sometimes people and ideas are wrong, or non-sensical, or not very well thought-out, or potentially harmful, and without crusading an undue amount, if I were given the chance to speak against those things, I would.

that's fair enough i think. sometimes on ilx it seems that the "zingage" is happening without much if any of those caveat though.

(not saying you do that personally!)

I like to read Jon's hello post/thread whenever people say ILX hasn't gotten meaner.

Well, as I already said here yesterday, sometimes when you've tried patience and rational persuasion and tolerance, and you fail to get the least glimmer of comprehension or evidence of mental activity from your subject, it's either cheap zings or a totally rabid & specific disemboweling that represents your actual frustration with stupidity. I think the second option is actually going to be a lot more disruptive. Not to mention way less funny.

When you go on any thread and behave the way Dom & quitney did as discussed above, that's the kind of response most folks reserve for obvious trolls. It's the kind of thing people do to another thread about Loose Change before it gets moved to ITR. Dom & quitney especially have been doing this quite a bit because they both spend far too much time here and have mastered every topic, covered all ground and familiarity has bred in them a great deal of contempt for a number of posters and discussions that the rest of us (like Dr. C, posting only about twice a day or whatever) find perfectly worthwhile.

I can certainly understand being infuriated by the predictable and frustrated by knowing there's nothing new under the sun, but at some point that behavior in and of itself becomes exactly what it detests, so the issue here is whether our merry band of lol zingers ever plan on taking a break to go rinse and have a look in the mirror or not.

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El Tomboto 318

jokes bruv

Who will watch the watchmen?

I'm embracing the zing these days b/c it's so much better for my blood pressure than "How did you and I even grow up on the same Earth? I don't know who sold you those ideas but they're short-sighted, offensive, and potentially v harmful if too many people believed them which thank God they don't, because they are exactly how the whole situation got so fucked up in the first place. Get one shred of self-awareness and rub all three brain cells together for a little friction." Or, you know, etc.

Tom, now I'm wondering who you think is IN the band of merry lol zingers! Goodness, so mysterious.

El TombotOTM

When you go on any thread and behave the way Dom & quitney did as discussed above, that's the kind of response most folks reserve for obvious trolls.

the thread spilt over from one where we were already arguing with tracer. as i've said, anyway, i wasn't trying to troll tracer off, i just kind off thought it was fairly normal argumentative stuff.

god forbid you'd ever get lairy with someone on the internets.

Tom, now I'm wondering who you think is IN the band of merry lol zingers!

^^^^^^POLL

(am i doing this right?)

Part of the problem of course is that it's very hard to escalate things in a competition to see who can be the most dismissive when the one side has already streamlined their jabs down to "[derisive laughter] [tabloid for assholes]" so back-and-forth really isn't an option. In fact that seems to be part and parcel of the nature of a zing is that there is no response, the goal apparently being to craft a such a perfectly mean and minimally coherent ad hominem that all hope of a comeback is dashed

read the thread. there's more to it than that.

the opening posts are like the 'even stevphen' YES NO YES NOOOOOO bit on olden daily shows that i spend too much time watching online.

Dom/quit sorry to single you out here but you did provide a nice neat case for critique

xxp Aye, you might be right. I don't like for things to go that far, for instance in an argument about someone's politics I hate to see some unrelated vulnerability get trashed. Should stay on topic, really.

i can remember the golden age clearly

it was when we had that thread where we all posted pictures of ourselves in front of another ilx0r's on WDYLL. that was bloody good

otm

it got a bit creepy when they did the the 'in your underwear' remix.

can I honestly ask why you stick around when you're so bored and disgusted of everything here?

the promise/faith of another nude pixs thread

He's just bored and disgusted with everything in general tho? Undoubtedly not but that's how it seems...

he didn't quit smoking did he?

It must have been when he was 3 years old in that case

hey look! the human fucking race!

retards!

-- El Tomboto

i quit smoking in august

can I honestly ask why you stick around when you're so bored and disgusted of everything here?

ILX makes him believe he's a terribly exciting character.

http://www.gay.com/images/slides/tom_cruise_slideshow/slide2.jpg

El T has his outbursts but he loves the world really

i love the world when there are nude pix threadz

i hope everyone gets that the zings are what makes ILX great! if you really want some twee british huggy circle-jerk there are plenty of other message boards where one can chat about ones breakfast food (by the same token if you really just want insult after insult there are plenty of places on the internet to get that too). ILX is great because the zings keep it funny & self-aware, and keep everyone's narcissism in check (and because theyre smarter than the ones you find on something awful).

Old-skool British ILX actually zinged each other all the time. I think it's already been well-established by this point that there are zings and there are zings, but lol at the concept of narcissism being kept in check.

max - complains of lazy zings on thread specially designed to hold them

-- jhøshea, Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:00 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

jhøshea - ugly, probably illiterate

-- max, Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:01 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

max - hates freedom

-- jhøshea, Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:02 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

max - ur high

-- Just got offed, Wednesday, September 19, 2007 4:03 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

some of the high-profile quitters were much more narcissistic than, say, me. momus, marcello, kate...

Please stop doing that (xp)

my favorite movie is garden state

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, November 6, 2007 9:20 AM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i don't have anything to add other than that i've been here i guess a pretty long time by now and it seems like this board has been in a constant state of handwringing about it's decline.

like the old days that people are now nostalgic for were, at the time, viewed as some sort of horrible wasteland compared to the old days.

maybe it was better when it was just like ned and dan and five other people talking about depeche mode or something. i don't know. it seems about the same to me.

now its ned and dan and some dude named "pipecock" and 100 other people still talking about depeche mode.

depeche mode suck

You know what we need more of? M@tt He1ges0n on ILE.

YES!

xxxpost and 'best poster on a depeche mode thread' polls

time to create a i love zing board so zing can happen there and ile can go back to just loving everything?

ILX is made great by the knowledge, rhetoric, and intellect of its participants. Zings are incidental to this, although I can see how they're inevitable in practice. As Matt says, ILX is never in itself in decline (all the old threads are still-present aspects of this webpage); the posters themselves are in flux, but the website is only superficially affected by their struggles. ILX as Gaia theory: C/D?

when did you join ilx just got offed?

Funnily enough, not long before everybody started leaving

Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:20 PM

ILX as Gaia theory: C/D?

Never say something like this again.

I joined on the evening of July 26 2006.

dammit xxpost

http://www.publicstrategies.org/images/bp_intervention_chart.jpg

ILX as gayers theory more like amirite

aren't you the same person?

Pete Baran used to say it has always been rubbish, I think there's a lot of truth in that.

Funnily enough, not long before everybody started leaving

SNAP POLL: is this a "zing"? is it "offensive"? is it "funny"? is louis offended?

(my answers: yes, no, weak smile, i very much doubt it)

thing is: i don't know if tom likes louis or not, so i've no idea how he meant it.

THE JOYS OF SUBJECTIVITY, EH?

when did you join ilx just got offed?

-- ken c, Tuesday, November 6, 2007 12:32 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Wednesday, July 26, 2006 10:20 PM

-- That one guy that hit it and quit it, Tuesday, November 6, 2007 12:34 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^ jaymc level shit

I always thought my first post was on Blur 13:POO, but that was 23:26 PM. Which previous post have you seen, NRQ?

I've met Tom and we got on rly well, so I take his zings with a nod and a smile.

Pete Baran used to say it has always been rubbish, I think there's a lot of truth in that.

did he leave because it became more rubbish?

greetings, all

xpost to louis ... yet:

a) if tom had made that post about some other posters, those other posters would be up in arms.

b) if dom had made that post, everyone would be jumping down his throat.

THE JOYS etc etc

Grimly I don't think anyone would have jumped down anyone's throat for that, it's kind of tame.

(Also, Pete hasn't left).

b) if dom had made that post, everyone would be jumping down his throat.

?

I kinda take most of Dom's zings with a nod and a smile nowadays. He still has a few chips on his shoulders about certain educational establishments I may or may not attend/have attended, but I think the vast majority is in good spirits.

Ooh, I met Pete as well that night. He's cool too!

"Greetings All" = all time classic

It wasn't really a zing just an excuse for a cheap gag to amuse myself. Matt's right, no-one would mind. Not even if Dom said it.

you didn't meet me that night just got offed :(

nor did HI DERE

it's almost as upsetting as when Ned didn't meet Calum at that bar.

I think there's a crucial distinction to be drawn between attempts at humour (zings), and attempts to put people down (genuine, personal nastiness).

Ken, should there be an Xmas break FAP, I hereby declare we shall meet, dine and play pool.

max otm

can all be eye of the beholder, lj

sounds good!

xxpost

Between Xmas and New Year pubcrawl, innit?

those pubcrawls never end up at a pub with pool table though!

Well start planning the route now

Remy, this is true, and it's sometimes hard to see the OP's motivation. If a zing is tactless enough to resemble a genuine put-down, it's a bad zing, and worthy of censure. People like Dom frequently cross this line, but I don't actually think he's a fundamentally nasty guy at all.

i wouldn't go that far.

zing!

i honestly believe we are at the cusp of another ilx golden age

chaki's been clearing out the chaff, now for the reaping

i honestly believe we are at the cusp of another ilx golden age

-- chaki, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 17:50 (5 minutes ago) Link

bring on the anal!!

-- Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 27 July 2006 01:03 (1 year ago) Link

That's the way to do it!

In all seriousness, though, there's no reason why ILX can't continue to be a stimulating, interesting and provocative web resource. There's a continual influx of posters, a vast and colourful catalogue of existing contributors, and a fantastic, inexhaustible archive. My one gripe is that the ILM New Answers page is frequently fairly dull, but such things are subjective.

17 months and still no anal ;_;

And it was all going so well :(

oh god

honestly believe we are at the cusp of another ilx golden age

-- chaki, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 17:50 (5 minutes ago) Link

bring on the anal!!

-- Louis Jagger (Haberdager), Thursday, 27 July 2006 01:03 (1 year ago) Link

At the very moment he was about to offer drunken depressed sex, God and that bottle of wine he'd necked intervened. He vomits all over the table. He literally paints it with spew, before lolling his head around in the manner of a comical zombie. I made my excuses and left.

-- Dom Passantino, Tuesday, November 6, 2007 5:56 PM (32 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

the ILM New Answers page is frequently fairly dull

golden age cancelled

Where is the LOVE for Cirith Ungol?

all the uk people are not funny except dom. CIRITH UNGOL RULE and i am going to keep that therad alive forever.

bring on the ungol!!

all the uk people are not funny except dom. CIRITH UNGOL RULE and i am going to keep that therad alive forever.

-- chaki, Tuesday, 6 November 2007 18:04 (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

^^^max r was pretty lol

i meant in this thread

this thread alone makes ilx worthwhile for at least another week.

maybe it was better when it was just like ned and dan and five other people talking about depeche mode or something. i don't know. it seems about the same to me.

m@tt = awesome

m@tt = RONG