talk about what an awesome movie top secret is
"come with me"
"i can't.. things change..."
"why not?"
"people change..."
"please!"
"hairstyles change..."
"i need you"
"interest rates fluctuate"
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:33 (eighteen years ago)
"my uncle was born in america"
"oh really?"
"yes but he was lucky - he escaped in a balloon during the carter administration"
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:35 (eighteen years ago)
i saw this last night and was kind of amazed at how well it stands up - SO MANY movies in this style are barely watchable now
the trope of rock and roll being this instantly transformative thing that shakes uptight people out of their daze, shakes societies out of their funk, is one of the most dated things about it
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:37 (eighteen years ago)
Is this the one where someone is crawling on the ground to escape the enemy, but crawls right in a pair of jackboots - camera pans up and the boots are empty.
Also someone looks at their watch, a shot of the timepiece filling the screen - next shot is them putting their hand down, watch is the size of a dinnerplate on their wrist.
Describing visual gags = dud.
― ledge, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:38 (eighteen years ago)
"it's no use, he won't talk"
"damn!"
"do you want me to bring out the leroy neiman paintings?"
"no! we can't risk violating the geneva conventions"
ledge: yes
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)
One of my favourite comedies ever! I don't know about other countries, but this film has made the German sentence "Ich habe Sauerkraut in meine Lederhosen" really popular in Finland. My German friends told me that a lot of Finns have said it to them, because it's basically the only German sentence they know. This is especially funny if the German person you're talking to doesn't know where it comes from.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:40 (eighteen years ago)
And yeah, this film probably has better visual gags than any other I can think of.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:41 (eighteen years ago)
"i created one of the greatest inventions in the history of the world. a device that could desalinate fifty million gallons of seawater in a single day. can you imagine what that would mean to the nations of africa?"
"they'd have enough salt to last forever!"
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:42 (eighteen years ago)
Haven't seen it in a looooong time. It is Zucker/Abrams/Zucker and not too long after their golden period.
From IMDB: When Nick is leaving the East German checkpoint by train you can hear on the PA a voice saying "Der Zug der jetzt auf Gleis 3 steht.... hat uns alle überrascht!" which translates to "The train on railtrack three... surprised us all!"
― ledge, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:47 (eighteen years ago)
Abrams Abrahams
― ledge, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:48 (eighteen years ago)
Oh wow, this was my favourite movie as a kid and I haven't seen it since. Must amend ASAP.
― marianna lcl, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:51 (eighteen years ago)
Chocolate Mousse is cool.
― Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:52 (eighteen years ago)
"here are your torturers. this one is blind, and works entirely by sense of touch. and this one is a brain-dead moron, who believes only what he reads in the new york post."
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:52 (eighteen years ago)
the french resistance having a planning meeting at shoney's, and putting their guns on the hat rack
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:53 (eighteen years ago)
my favourite line: this is not Mel Torme.
― Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:54 (eighteen years ago)
i tend to say that a lot.
― Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:55 (eighteen years ago)
How silly can you get? Yeah, yeah How silly can you get? ooh, yeah I never ever meant to stray But when she looked at me that way The night was young and gay Paris made me forget I went to Paris in France I found a little romance She was a-walkin' down the boulevard I know I should've been good I never thought that I would Be double-crossin', baby cross my heart Oh, a little rockin' and a little wine Got me thinkin' 'bout a little Valentine What's a lonely boy to do She looked so fine
How silly can you get? Yeah, yeah How silly can you get? ooh, yeah I never ever meant to stray But when she looked at me that way The night was young and gay Paris made me forget
How silly can you get? yeah yeah How silly can you get? Oh yeah No more fooling around you bet How silly can you get?
Next morning woke all alone, Little birdie had flown, Left a number on the telephone. I walked right out in the street, Spreadin' the hole in my jeans. Found a paper with a message on it. Should I call her up or should I tear it up? If I call her up then we can rip it up. What's a lonely boy to do? She looked so fine.
How silly can you get? How silly can you get? No more foolin 'round you bet How silly can you get?
How silly can you get? Yeah, yeah How silly can you get? ooh, yeah I never meant to stray But when you looked at me that way The night was young and gay Paris made me forget
I went to Paris in France I found a little romance She was a-walkin' down the boulevard I know I should've been good I never thought that I would Be double-crossin', baby cross my heart Oh, a little rockin' and a little wine Got me thinkin' 'bout that little girl of mine. How could I be so cruel my pet? How silly can you get? No more foolin' 'round you bet. How silly can you get?
― Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:56 (eighteen years ago)
Are you lonesome tonight, is your kitchen a sight Is your wardrobe all rundown and bare Is your lipstick all smeared, are your stockings not sheer Do they make your legs show all your hair
Do the tears on your pillow roll down as you turn Do they short out the blanket and make the sheets burn Is your heart filled with pain, will you come back again Shop at Macy's and love me tonight
― Frogman Henry, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 12:58 (eighteen years ago)
best movie ever.
Latrine!
― Roz, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 13:00 (eighteen years ago)
This reads all wrong:
Val Kilmer actually sings the songs in the movie, but not in the actual scenes. He would later perform the songs in The Doors. (wikipedia)
― ledge, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 13:03 (eighteen years ago)
That is awesome just as it stands.
especially if he did I went to Paris in France I found a little romance She was a-walkin' down the boulevard I know I should've been good I never thought that I would Be double-crossin', baby cross my heart Oh, a little rockin' and a little wine Got me thinkin' 'bout that little girl of mine. How could I be so cruel my pet? How silly can you get? No more foolin' 'round you bet. How silly can you get?
in The Doors film.
― Mark G, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)
"Nick, I've tried everything. The Embassy, the German Government, the consulate. I even talked to the UN Ambassador. It's no use. I just can't bring my wife to orgasm. That's a shame, Martin. Have you tried one of these?(huge dildo machine) Thanks. I'll give it a whirl"
― Zeno, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 13:39 (eighteen years ago)
Is the bookstore scene the best 1 min and 36 seconds on film or what?
― Roz, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 13:43 (eighteen years ago)
"Wait. You dropped your phoney dog pooh. What phoney dog pooh? Souvenirs. Novelties. Party tricks. "
"And now we conclude our ceremony with the singing of our East German National Anthem. HAIL, HAIL, EAST GERMANY LAND OF VINE AND GRAPE, LAND WHERE YOU'LL REGRET AND TRY TO ESCAPE NO MATTER IF YOU TUNNEL UNDER OR TAKE A RUNNING JUMP AT THE WALL, THE GUARDS WILL KILL YOU, IF THE ELECTRIFIED FENCE DOESN'T FIRST."
the highest of the low...
― Zeno, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 13:47 (eighteen years ago)
how about when they escape from the opera house and nick runs towards the guards' parked bicycles going "shoo! shoo! go on now!" and the bicycles whinny and race away
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 14:03 (eighteen years ago)
or when they're in the park, with an enormous statue of a pigeon in the distance - as they talk, four people flapping their arms land on the pigeon from the sky and start peeing on it
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 14:04 (eighteen years ago)
I've only seen it once, but the scene in the bookstore blew me apart. I was confused for a bit, wondering what was going on, but when I realised what they were doing I was absolutely amazed that they pulled it off. That must have been so hard to film, and it looks absolutely awesome.
― The Wayward Johnny B, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 14:08 (eighteen years ago)
the male ballerinas.
the pac-man map.
the giant phone.
― Roz, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 14:10 (eighteen years ago)
Pretty much all of it. Between this and Top Secret it's like Val started off brilliantly and then proceeded to have one of the worst movie careers known to humanity.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 14:12 (eighteen years ago)
Between this and REAL GENIUS, duh.
oh!
Now you made me go and get one off e-bay!
― Mark G, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 14:18 (eighteen years ago)
that bicycle scene is the best. Great film!
― Ste, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 14:41 (eighteen years ago)
Have you tried one of these?(huge dildo machine)
And the dildo machine is called Anal Intruder! In the Finnish subtitles it was translated as "Rear Prodder", which became quite a catchphrase among me and my friends when were like ten.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 14:47 (eighteen years ago)
Do you think of comedies made before 1950 much, Tuomas? Especially silent shorts?
I remember being amused by TS! when it came out, but Airplane! and the Police Squad TV series are more consistently LOL. As for Val, yeah he's a fine funnyhunk in this and Real Genius, but he gave excellent serious performances in Tombstone, Thunderheart, and is the best thing in duds like The Doors and Top Gun.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah, I was actually gonna add "...ever since the silent era".
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 14:59 (eighteen years ago)
This movie is so awesome.
"I'm sorry, I don't know German." "I know a little German. He's sitting over there."
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:11 (eighteen years ago)
I looked for a thread on this a few weeks ago! So great. I love how a lot of the gags are sort of reveals on old-school filmmaking techniques.
And the fucking backwards scene!!
― Jordan, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:15 (eighteen years ago)
Bookstore scene
― The Wayward Johnny B, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:21 (eighteen years ago)
that "little German" joke has to date from 1920, seriously
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)
Yes, it being older than that movie keeps it from being funny, you're right.
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:23 (eighteen years ago)
I don't know WHAT I was thinking.
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)
LOL
― darraghmac, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:24 (eighteen years ago)
the underwater saloon fight
― Jordan, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:25 (eighteen years ago)
xp
no, it's still funny, but before we anoint TS! as one of the key comedic works of the Pre-Ap*t*w Era, originality might be factored in.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:26 (eighteen years ago)
TS: Originality vs Execution
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:29 (eighteen years ago)
for hit-rate alone TS is classic.
X's and O's in the window shoot out. Nice.
― darraghmac, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)
I've probably seen Airplane! too many times, so I'll say this is my favorite Zucker movie. So-dumb-it's-clever can hardly be done better.
Du Quois: This is Chevalier, Montage, Detente, Avant Garde, and Deja Vu. Deja Vu: Haven't we met before?
― kenan, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:31 (eighteen years ago)
(Thing I just learned from IMDB: Jerry Zucker, one and the same, directed Ghost. I'm surprised at that, and surprised again that I didn't know it.)
― kenan, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:32 (eighteen years ago)
Dan, I think Weber & Fields' execution of the Little German joke on the vaudeville was likely spot-on.
The TS joke that got the most contemporary attention was the Pinto (amirite?) exploding on contact -- the car had just been recalled.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:34 (eighteen years ago)
The Pinto joke was awesome. Also "But I'll miss you most of all, Scarecrow!" and the "Blue Lagoon" scene.
My point wasn't that the original execution of the German joke sucked, it was that the execution of it in "Top Secret!" was great.
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:38 (eighteen years ago)
the sound effect there was key - the armored vehicle full of germans is rolling up towards the back of the pinto, almost stops in time, is a millimetre away, and just kisses the back bumper - TING
KABOOM
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)
I still think "Nick Rivers" whenever I watch a Chargers game.
"I'll miss you most of all scarecrow" is a great goodbye line for any social situation.
― bnw, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:43 (eighteen years ago)
To this day, when ever I cut myself shaving, somewhere in the back of my mind I think of Nick.
Nick Rivers: I'm pleased to meet you. My name's Nick. Hillary Flammond: Nick? What does that mean? Nick Rivers: Oh, nothing. My dad thought of it while he was shaving.
― kenan, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:45 (eighteen years ago)
You know how much Amber and Alice are going to love this film?
― Mark G, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:49 (eighteen years ago)
my fave moment, when nick plays 'are you lonesome tonight' on the guitar but moves himself forward slightly on the chair in the middle of a small guitar riff.
― Ste, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:51 (eighteen years ago)
(riff = 4 notes)
― Ste, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 15:52 (eighteen years ago)
Another visual gag that killed me was Kilmer sitting on the train looking out the window at the countryside passing by, only to have that "countryside" revealed to actually be a large painting being wheeled away by two men.
(with apologies to Morbius if Harold Lloyd did this first in frigging "Safety Last!" or whatever)
― Ben Boyerrr, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:09 (eighteen years ago)
Also the background gag (I know the Describing visual gags = dud. rule is totally legitimate, but should be forgiven for this thread) where the flying men land on the huge statue of the pigeon.
And the soldiers taking off their helmets, and the chin-straps stay on!
The ZAZ guys seriously had some magic chemistry happening. Nobody else has EVER been able to pull off these types of movies since then. Some of the descendents (*shudder* "Epic Movie"; "Date Movie," The "Scary Movie"s; etc.) get the whole feel so wrong it's brutal.
― Ben Boyerrr, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:16 (eighteen years ago)
and his own painting of the countryside, as he gazes thoughtfully out the window, using his thumb as a measure
the camera pans down and the painting is a of horizontal blur
xpost
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:17 (eighteen years ago)
Some of the ripoffs at the time just make you pray for the sweet release of death. Night Patrol, I ask you.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:18 (eighteen years ago)
Jesus, yeah - "Night Patrol" was heinous. It made regular appearances at adolescent sleepover parties in my youth, though, with the Kitten Natividad / "That's not a bust... THAT'S a BUST!" scene being rewound over and over to the delight of numerous burgeoning perverts.
― Ben Boyerrr, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)
gasoline!
― andrew m., Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:20 (eighteen years ago)
maybe these movies are only possible at the moment when an older style of moviemaking is becoming obsolete but isn't quite, yet -- the old devices and conventions still have a power to lull you into them so that when the inevitable overturning occurs it actually contains a thrill
all the war-movie tropes and western tropes were still sort of alive and part of the idiom available to movie-watchers then, not so much now
which is what makes it all the more amazing that this movie still holds up! possibly people under the age of 25 would not think so though
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)
I've never seen any of those "______ Movie" things, but are they even going for the same thing as ZAZ? ZAZ were mostly parodying formulas; my secondhand impression of those recent films are they 1) reenact a shitload of recent hit movie scenes, 2) insert a fart or someone being cockpunched.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:24 (eighteen years ago)
one of the weird things about this movie is how it takes place in its "present day" (i think) but val kilmer sings early 60s rock music!!?
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:26 (eighteen years ago)
No, I think it takes it place in the early sixties.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:29 (eighteen years ago)
One too many "it" there.
It's "if Elvis made a spy movie in 1963"
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)
Spoil all the gags for yourselves here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92R20ImGNCU
― ledge, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:31 (eighteen years ago)
(making allowances for things like the Pinto gag)
How can it be "early sixties" and have a Pinto (first model year-1971) in it?
Of course, it's not like these films are supposed be time accurate or anything.
― C. Grisso/McCain, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:32 (eighteen years ago)
(xpost)
Some cute stuff here:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088286/trivia
The waiter who asks if Nick is ready to order, ostensibly in German, is actually using the Yiddish curse "go take a shit in the ocean".
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:35 (eighteen years ago)
The idea is basically the same - with "Top Secret!," ZAZ is throwing a ton of gags into a framework of mocking the conventions of Elvis movies and War movies; with the "____ Movie" trash, they're doing "Rom-Coms"/epic fantasy flicks/horror with tons of gags throw in (which are, yes, mostly cockpunch and flatulence-based).
Someone told me the "Date Movie" DVD has a commentary track on it (commissioned "in good humor" by the filmmakers) with the L.A. Times critic (don't remember which one; can't be bothered to look it up) who called it the least funny film he'd ever seen. By my friend's account, the critic is kind of like "Okay, so they asked me to do this, maybe to show that I have no sense of humor or whatever, but I guess I'll just explain why this film is absolutely awful, scene-by-scene/joke-by-joke."
I haven't seen it myself, and can't bring myself to rent it, but that sounds kind of interesting.
― Ben Boyerrr, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:37 (eighteen years ago)
(x-post on the Elvis stuff!)
Actually, I think Top Secret! takes place in some sort of an anachronistic non-time, because it happily mixes signifiers from different decades.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:40 (eighteen years ago)
"Not Another Teen Movie" is actually pretty funny! The scene that rips off "She's All That" with the JJL analogue crying at the party is hysterical.
― HI DERE, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:42 (eighteen years ago)
the one that did the CruiseOprah couchjump seemed worth a gamble
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:43 (eighteen years ago)
the thing i love about that bookstore backwards scene is Kilmers hilarious chuffed looking grin evertime he throws a book up to the shelves.
― Ste, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:44 (eighteen years ago)
i'll second "not another teen movie" as being a cut above the rest of them, with the excellent cast helping a lot.
― darraghmac, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)
Making a specific scene parody from She's All That = criminally reductive?
I do remember the ads for Epic Movie and thinking, ummmm, you don't know what an epic is.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:45 (eighteen years ago)
I watch Top Secret! about once a month.
― Spencer Chow, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:47 (eighteen years ago)
According to that imdb page, this is where the surfing scenes were filmed. Yes, I'm that bored at work.
― nate woolls, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)
jeez, I didn't know David Zucker made two of the Scary Movies. Depressing.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:49 (eighteen years ago)
Epic Movie is one of the few films is one of the films me and my friends actually stopped watching after the first 30 minutes, even though we payed for the DVD rent. It was unbelieavably bad.
(xx-post)
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:50 (eighteen years ago)
And I usually have a pretty good tolerance for bad comedies.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 16:51 (eighteen years ago)
my proposal is that the prevailing conventions of romcoms and epic fantasy and horror flicks haven't become stale yet, so movies upending these conventions don't have the kind of liberating, rebellious feel that top secret did/does
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:01 (eighteen years ago)
I think it's just poor writing/acting/direction. Bad spoof just does = "here is a scene like one from that famous film". Good spoof remembers to put jokes in.
― Noodle Vague, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)
my proposal is that the prevailing conventions of romcoms and epic fantasy and horror flicks haven't become stale yet
are you jennifer aniston's agent?
― darraghmac, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:04 (eighteen years ago)
yes, my approx 10,000,000,000,000 posts here, if laid end to end and run through a ROT13 filter spell out "jennifer aniston is not actually a rodent" over and over
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:07 (eighteen years ago)
the prevailing conventions of romcoms and epic fantasy and horror flicks haven't become stale yet
Shirley, you can't be serious.
― Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:08 (eighteen years ago)
yes perhaps this thesis is flawed
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:15 (eighteen years ago)
I think Top Secret's strongest point is that it doesn't parody any particular movie rather than genre conventions, and does so in a highly innovative way. Whereas films like Epic Movie take whole scenes from other movies movies, add some poop or boobs into them, and think this automatically equals funniness.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:26 (eighteen years ago)
which bookstore scene is everyone going in about? haven't seen it for years.
― pisces, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:37 (eighteen years ago)
Link to YouTube clip upthread.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:42 (eighteen years ago)
The two Scary Movies he's done are a hell of a lot better than the Wayans Bros pair. Scary Movie 3 is especially recommended to Zucker fans less discriminating than Dr. Morbius.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:44 (eighteen years ago)
Admittedly if you find Top Secret "liberating" rather than simply fucking hilarious then you might be disappointed. "Liberating" is more David Wain's thing now.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:45 (eighteen years ago)
aha got it.
the voice-over/note-reading-at-dinner scene is my opo.
― pisces, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:48 (eighteen years ago)
Yeah that had me roffling in the aisle my office chair. The pac-man bit too.
― ledge, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:51 (eighteen years ago)
da croupier why are you such a miserable bastard
― Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)
Ugh, I hated Not Another Teen Movie. But, then again, I thought the first Scary Movie was something like a subversive masterpiece.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:55 (eighteen years ago)
Wait I'm miserable? You're the one who was grievously disappointed by Romy & Michelle's High School Reunion.
I just flipped through some later Scary Movie clips. Definitely not on the level of Top Secret but I still think Zucker does this stuff better than all the new jacks, save Wain.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:58 (eighteen years ago)
God I can't wait for the Ten to come out on DVD.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 17:59 (eighteen years ago)
My brothers and I used to have fistfights about which was better, Top Secret or Real Genius. Because we would watch them ALL THE TIME. That and Midnight Madness.
― Yerac, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:32 (eighteen years ago)
I haven't seen Midnight Madness since I was, like, 6!
― da croupier, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:33 (eighteen years ago)
I think there is an episode of Chicken Robot where they use scenes from Midnight Madness. "Leeeoooonnn!" and "FAG A BEEFY"
― Yerac, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 18:38 (eighteen years ago)
another sad thing: David Zucker doing the Dennis Miller and going full-on reactionary after 9/11, to where he now dumps cash into rightwing causes & candidates and films commercials attacking democrats.
― kingfish, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 22:10 (eighteen years ago)
his leslie-nielsen-as-bush thing in the scary movies doesn't really click with that, but wow.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 22:30 (eighteen years ago)
I remember laughing at one of the Leslie Nielsen gags in Scary Movie 3*, drawing concerned looks from my friends watching the movie with me.
* (an alien debarks from a spacecraft, and starts urinating out of an extended finger. Leslie Nielsen, as the President of the U.S., nods sagely, then says "Maybe we're not that different after all," and begins peeing out of his own finger. In retrospect, my friends may have been right).
― Ben Boyerrr, Tuesday, 13 November 2007 23:24 (eighteen years ago)
so i watched this last night with the commentary. They all get into a giggling fit at some point for about two minutes. It could be the best dvd commentary ever.
And the film was still brilliant. i'd forgotten about chocolate mousses great accent. As he checks the grappling hook rope "Lovely".
― Ste, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 13:29 (eighteen years ago)
haha awesome!
― Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 13:34 (eighteen years ago)
"GASO-LEEN. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" *gluck gluck gluck*
― Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 14:21 (eighteen years ago)
re JERRY Zucker, I laughed pretty often at Rat Race. maybe that was the Andy Breckman Factor.
― Dr Morbius, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 14:31 (eighteen years ago)
I heard "California Girls" in a store today and all I could think of was "I wish they all could be double-barreled guns..."
― Roz, Wednesday, 14 November 2007 14:34 (eighteen years ago)
So, I watched it with Amber and Alice.
OK, someone here should have mentioned the "wife to orgasm" and the "fist" um, thing.
Alice: "What's that" Me: "It's a hand. On a gun. LOOK! OVER THERE!"
― Mark G, Thursday, 6 December 2007 14:55 (eighteen years ago)
Will someone locate a YouTube clip of the Marx Bros.-style ballroom dance? I can't find it.
― Eric H., Thursday, 6 December 2007 15:17 (eighteen years ago)
could be in here - "Top Secret in 10 minutes"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92R20ImGNCU
― Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 December 2007 15:40 (eighteen years ago)
this is one of my all-time favorite movies and I need to see it again soon, it's been ages
― Matos W.K., Friday, 7 December 2007 00:38 (eighteen years ago)
"let me know if there is any change in his condition." [Hangs up] "He's dead."
― Spencer Chow, Friday, 7 December 2007 00:42 (eighteen years ago)
"It's been a hard . . . day's . . . night . . . and I've been verking . . ."
VERKING.
― J, Friday, 7 December 2007 01:20 (eighteen years ago)
hey, it's another oral history of an '80s comedy that the cinematically illiterate think is a CLASSIC!
(At least it has more laughs than Ghostbusters, tho)
Jerry Zucker: We did Val a disservice.
Jim Abrahams: Val was aware that Nick Rivers was kind of vacuous. And that was always a struggle for Val. He couldn’t figure out what would this character do – Val is an actual actor and we were just pretty much interested in people telling our jokes. But he was a true actor and was looking for something in that character to play. He did salvage Nick Rivers, but that was always his struggle when filming.
Jerry Zucker: That’s part of the problem of doing a second movie after a big hit, everybody says, “Well, you must know.” And the fact is, we didn’t. We knew how to tell jokes, but we didn’t understand yet how to make a movie. I don’t know why nobody said, “Hey, take a structure course.”
David Zucker: We thought we hit it out of the park, because it was so funny. We knew we had the jokes. But I think we learned a lesson.Jerry Zucker: I think some of our best jokes are in ‘Top Secret!,’ but it’s really hurt by not having a story. It doesn’t have much of a story or a hook … joke-wise, we started to run out of gas at the end of ‘Airplane!.’ But the movie doesn’t run out of gas.
http://screencrush.com/top-secret-30/
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 June 2014 16:29 (eleven years ago)
does it annoy you that people like movies
― conrad, Thursday, 19 June 2014 16:37 (eleven years ago)
Jesus Morbs, we're talking about the Mad Magazine of films here. No one's saying it's the Paris Review.
― Hier Komme Die Warum Jetzt (Hurting 2), Thursday, 19 June 2014 16:41 (eleven years ago)
[Shetland pony coughing]
"What's wrong with him?"
"Oh, he caught a cold last week and he's just a little hoarse."
CINEMA!
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 19 June 2014 16:54 (eleven years ago)
Weird to be regretting the lack of story in your parody of Elvis movies
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 June 2014 17:09 (eleven years ago)
At the risk of being cinematically illiterate, the genre conflation in this movie is totally intoxicating. An Elvis story, set in a WWII film, with cold war references and musical numbers is wildly post-modern. 'Top Secret' always reminds me of 'Streets of Fire', another supposed failure from around the same time with a similar mashup sensibility ('Wild at Heart' too).
One of the biggest and best running gags is that the East Germans are just nazis - which makes fun of both Germans, and everyone else who automatically thinks they're all nazis. Also, the "Find Him and Kill Him" rubber stamp is amazing.
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 19 June 2014 17:28 (eleven years ago)
hey croup, THE GUYS WHO MADE IT KINDA REGRET THE LACK OF STORY.
I saw this once thirty years ago and still think "Is your daughter 18?" is funny.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 June 2014 17:47 (eleven years ago)
I like how some of the jokes are just silly little two-second gags, like the goosestepping guards who fling their boots off, or the huge forced-perspective phone
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Thursday, 19 June 2014 18:02 (eleven years ago)
http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/screencrush.com/files/2014/06/Phone.jpg
― Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Thursday, 19 June 2014 18:26 (eleven years ago)
I love that this gag takes juuuust long enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akLC_JMjpjA
― Disagree. And im not into firey solos chief. (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 June 2014 18:31 (eleven years ago)
I always thought this was funnier than Airplane.
― erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:00 (eleven years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Mr_XAM8CMw
― pplains, Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:15 (eleven years ago)
morbz, shouting at me isn't going to make you understand things any better.
no shit they regret the lack of story, that's what i was referring to. i think it's a funny thing to regret when you're making fun of a genre that wasn't great on "story" in the first place.
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:15 (eleven years ago)
Chocolate Mouse "Viva La France!"
― Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:19 (eleven years ago)
love Kilmers sly grin in that backwards scene (although difficult to see in that small clip)
― Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:20 (eleven years ago)
i wonder if by "story or a hook" he just means it doesn't have much in the way of zeitgeist. it's not like this movie really has more "story" problems than his scary movie sequels.
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:21 (eleven years ago)
ok, reading the whole thing it looks like they really do regret not giving Val an emotional arc in Elvis Goes To Nazi Germany
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:30 (eleven years ago)
so weird to have them talk about "figuring out the rules of comedy" as if anyone loves Mafia! or An American Carol more than their early stuff
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:33 (eleven years ago)
hey, look YOU'RE READING THE PIECE I LINKED TO
Just forget relating this to their recent, posthumous work. Maybe to Lubitsch's instead.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:34 (eleven years ago)
(this might be Omar Sharif's 4th- or 5th-best film)
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:35 (eleven years ago)
morbz, again, shouting won't help you comprehend other people's posts better
calm down
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:36 (eleven years ago)
I AM MOCKING YOUR OBJECTIONS and don't call me Calmdown
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:38 (eleven years ago)
acting like you didn't understand my comment in all caps, sure got me there
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:41 (eleven years ago)
This is one of my favorite movies. So joyous. The zaz bros lamenting that it didn't have the character arc that airplane did is really bizarre to me-I mean does anyone that loves that movie care about that at all? It sounds like their minds have been warped by decades of story meetings with studio executives. They even mention the Marx brothers, whose movies are purely gag machines as well. do they watch horse feathers and wish that Groucho learned that his sarcasm was merely a defense mechanism
― slam dunk, Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:44 (eleven years ago)
― Mark G, Thursday, December 6, 2007 9:55 AM
lol
― ⓢⓗⓘⓣ (am0n), Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:50 (eleven years ago)
"wait at the Howard Johnson's on the corner of Der Fuhrer Strasse and Goebbels Platzen."
― Spencer Chow, Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:50 (eleven years ago)
"Come, my darling, let me show you what I've done to the fallout shelter."
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:52 (eleven years ago)
They even mention the Marx brothers, whose movies are purely gag machines as well.
they were for a while, but the enforced love stories in the mgm ones are kinda expressions of this inexplicable mentality too right? although weirder because they're assigned to entirely separate people. not even sure if that's better or worse.
― difficult listening hour, Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:53 (eleven years ago)
look, I'm more than willing to rewatch this ahead of Ghostbusters.
also these are the only kindsa threads i see Spencer Chow in, hi SC.
Pauline Kael on A Night at the Opera:
There are also the vocalizing lovers, Kitty Carlisle and Allan Jones, whom Irving Thalberg, the producer and a master diagnostician of popular taste, put in for people (what people?) to "identify with"
People like Eric H, I think.
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:57 (eleven years ago)
ha seen this movie a bunch of times and never noticed this
http://38.media.tumblr.com/d796f6d27faee6574858de27bf9ab8e9/tumblr_mlgpw7sKBE1s7ynwqo1_250.gif
― da croupier, Thursday, 19 June 2014 19:58 (eleven years ago)
Morbz which marx bro do u most identify with
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 19 June 2014 20:10 (eleven years ago)
Gummo
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 June 2014 20:17 (eleven years ago)
Your perfect chance to say "Zeppo" when handed a straight line and you blew it. Why do I even get out of bed?
― Disagree. And im not into firey solos chief. (Phil D.), Thursday, 19 June 2014 20:55 (eleven years ago)
to brush out the cracker crumbs
do you even know who Gummo was? it's the same idea writ larger, chum
― son of a lewd monk (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 June 2014 21:07 (eleven years ago)
Thread has like..
― Mark G, Thursday, 19 June 2014 22:22 (eleven years ago)
Thread has lols. Stupid spelling enforcer!
― Mark G, Thursday, 19 June 2014 22:25 (eleven years ago)
RIP Omar Sharif
Agent Cedric (Sharif): Wait. You dropped your phony dog poo.
Blindman: What phony dog poo?
― Spencer Chow, Friday, 10 July 2015 15:21 (ten years ago)
Aww RIP
― that's why god destroyed the radio (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 11 July 2015 01:16 (ten years ago)
Nick Rivers: Listen to me, Hillary. I'm not the first guy who fell in love with a woman that he met at a restaurant who turned out to be the daughter of a kidnapped scientist, only to lose her to her childhood lover who she last saw on a deserted island, who then turned out fifteen years later to be the leader of the French underground.Hillary Flammond: I know. It all sounds like some bad movie.[Long pause. Both very slowly turn to the camera]
― foghat leghorn (doo rag), Wednesday, 2 April 2025 22:36 (ten months ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuYTVl0iOkk
― Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 2 April 2025 22:52 (ten months ago)
This movie was kinda therapeutic to me, during a period shortly after 9/11, when I happened to see a horrific internet photo of one of the tower jumpers' wrecked body on the Manhattan pavement. Viewing it was very upsetting, and for a couple of days I found I couldn't stop my mind from returning to the photo of that body...until I began to just mentally substitute the "Top Secret" gag with the German soldier falling from the battlements and shattering like pottery on the ground. Thinking about the absurdity of that comedic bit did a lot to ease my mind about the real-world horror in that real-world photo.
― Hongro Hongro Hippies (Myonga Vön Bontee), Wednesday, 2 April 2025 23:09 (ten months ago)
classic Morbs-in-crank-mode thread
― the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 April 2025 23:13 (ten months ago)
as it happened i had watched "top secret" repeatedly before i ever saw "casablanca" so when i finally got round to watching that i kept going "oh shit so that's where that gag in 'top secret' came from" lol
there's probably a name for the phenomenon of being familiar with a classic movie/novel/whatever only thru parodies, but if there is i do not know it
― foghat leghorn (doo rag), Saturday, 5 April 2025 05:53 (ten months ago)
i had, however, seen "blue lagoon"
― foghat leghorn (doo rag), Saturday, 5 April 2025 05:54 (ten months ago)