MOST HATED PREMIER LEAGUE TEAM POLL

I can't decide between Liverpool and Newcastle

Man U, for always, forever and ever. Blues mostly too comedy to be fully hateworthy.

Newcastle likewise.

rafa and carragher wanted me to go with liverpool, but john terry talked me out of it. inspirational leader of men, you know.

k I hate Terry more than any other Prem player.

Heart says Tottenham; head says that's like voting for the Lib Dems.

Arsenal.

The Curse of Christmas refers to a trend where...

WTF has this got to do with anything???

Or we could all just vote Portsmouth for a laugh.

Easiest poll ever.

If anyone other than Newcastle wins this I will be very disappointed with you people.

NV OTM re: Blooz

I mean come on, put aside your petty local rivalries and recognise who the real enemy is here

no way. pompey scum ftw!

What's the point in hating Newcastle?

Are we sposed to be voting for the club/squad/etc as it is now (in which case, Newcastle a *strong* contender), or its general history (in which case I gots no beef with em)

A Pompey landslide would be pretty funny, to be fair

Are we sposed to be voting for the club/squad/etc as it is now (in which case, Newcastle a *strong* contender), or its general history (in which case I gots no beef with em)

The instructions are set out quite clearly above the poll. "The curse of Christmas...."

I think we're voting for the overall package the team, the history, and the fans.

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I do love a good old fashioned crying Geordie tho.

Man U for sure but Arsenal and West Ham come close.

My hatred of Newcastle is because they typify a certain type of fan (Wednesday, Forest, QPR) that us lower-league types have to put up with on a regular basis, people who believe their club is a lot bigger than it actually is.

Plus their team is mainly thugs and crooks managed by a corrupt dude who looks like a slug.

Arsenal win on all three counts still, but there's still a respectable margin between second place West Ham and the rest.

I think I actually hate Reading and Derby less than Spurs right now.

Newcastle have got rid of most of the thugs now haven't they? Admittedly they've bought in Joey Barton which is a bit like selling all your guns to buy a rocket launcher.

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i forgot about fat sam! i was wondering about all the toon hate. barton and fat sam are a tough double act to beat, kinda like bad cop/total c*nt partnership.

Portsmouth?

If we're talking about the Mike Oldfield track, I got no beef with 'em.

TCWTB = Martian's secret identity?

I quite like Newcastle. Fond memories of the Keegan years and their complete lack of threat as a footballing force ever since. I've gone for Spurs out of tradition, but Rafa's beard and Stevie pinhead made it very difficult.

Oh, and I like Fat Sam too.

TCWTB = Martian's secret identity?

-- Noodle Vague, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 12:16 (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

The Cunt With The Blog?

*rimshot*

because i don't love any of these teams i don't hate any of them either

but voted Wigan because they are shite and should just give up already (for some reason i have more sympathy for Derby)

I have big ol' sympathy for Wigan because I know the trauma of supporting a football team in a town where all the local business prefer to invest in the rugby team

Easiest poll ever.

Yes. Liverpool.

el-hadji diouf-shaped elephant in room, although I also hold great disdain for birmingham city (irksome little club without a dram of romance to recommend it)

OH SHIT why did i not vote west ham ;_;

it is because i still love curbs (and possibly scotty, but that's more debatable)

Y'know, after the results are in we should really poll the most hated player at the most hated club.

most hated player poll full stop poll would be good, but it's hard to see past eboue, barton or diouf.

I’d say Wigan Athletic because its the club supporter by everyone who is a regular at the pub I frequent in Dorchester and I find them to be annoying. But at the same time, its Wigan Athletic, who really cares?

i really hope people aren't boring and vote for man u and chelsea even though they're clearly more likeable than half the rest of the premiership (man u especially, who i actually support in europe more than any other british club). would understand chelsea winning the poll but again it would be dull, and at least they're providers of entertainment and lolz. what have bolton and birmingham ever really provided except tedium? i suppose birmingham play the (slightly) better football, hence my bolton vote.

spot the bitter addick

another shout for most hated player: michael brown

Eboue? He's made no impression on me whatsoever.

Most hated players: Lampard, Gerrard, Terry. Duh.

‘I’d say Wigan Athletic because its the club supporter by everyone who is a regular at the pub I frequent in Dorchester and I find them to be annoying. But at the same time, its Wigan Athletic, who really cares?’

Trauma?

Most hated players: Lampard, Gerrard, Terry. Duh.

Joe Cole. Divin' greetin'-faced little cunt.

Danny Wallace

Cruel

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gary weasel-faced neville

What's wrong with Barton? (OK, don't start, I know...but he's not that bad, quality zinging at Lampard etc)

Most hated player: Lee Bowyer.

Just gonna predictably throw Bob Savage in there guys

c'mon guys, EBOUE. he rolls it all into one.

But nobody knows who he is. Bowyer's far more detestable than either than Barton or Lily Savage. Then there's Craig Bellamy.

I dunno I mean Diouf wins at a fuckin canter, everything else is just an excuse to list other players we don't like

eboue out.

after that, definitely fernando torres.

I love this guy

LEHMANN

Lehmann

Eboue

Lehmann is fucking AWESOME, come on

Lehmann

Eboue Terry Carragher A Cole

Diouf Bowyer Barton Ronaldo

Bellamy Diouf

Subs: Robinson (ok that's personal), Ferdinand, Gerrard, Hunt, Rooney

looking at them, they'd probably be quite good, though.

I can never completely hate Craig Bellamy after his single-handed destroyal of Dundee Utd, perhaps the best solo performance by any player in recent Celtic history. Also texting abuse at Alan Shearer = classic.

yeah, i actually have a soft spot for bellamy myself. I'm gonna change him for michael owen, who is a deeply unlikeable little rat.

eboue captain, though.

Bellamy is too good to be most hateful.

Kevin-Prince Boateng has potential

Lehmann is one of those players you know you can only like if he plays for you time. Equally as an Arsenal fan I totally understand why people think he's a cnut.

KP Boateng we haven't seen enough of, but i totally endorse uptoeleven's viewpoint on him.

Liverpool, Arsenal or Newcastle? Hm, tricky.

Who am I kidding, Liverpool.

bellamy: twat
savage: twat
anelka: stupid goal celebration
robbie keane: stupid goal celebration
lampard: tory twat
terry: racist
gerrard: too expensive in fantasy football and i can't afford him

too easy, ken. either get them in formation or pick one.

Paul Robinson. Fat clown.
Zokora. Diver.
Dawson. Shit.
Gareth Bale. Geek.
Aaron Lennon. Runs like a girl.
Jenas. Shit.
Huddlestone. Fat bastard.
Kevin-Prince Boateng. Comedy tattoos.
Malbranque. Ugly and has silly name.
Defoe. Midget.
Berbatov. Looks like a vampire.

Berbatov looks like a war criminal

Kevin-Prince Boateng is the most American sportsman ever

352 formation? STFU.

Tom D out!

Ken is spot on with all of his picks.

But out of those it has to be Savage. He kicks my team a lot :(

And, if my memory of Match magazine ten years ago doesn't betray me, he has an Armani tattoo. CUNT

actually, on reflection it's a passable ramos formation.

savage- quite funny, self-deprecating and apparently very nice off the field, so can't be taken seriously as proper most hated. john terry, people.

Yeah, Savage is a pantomime villain, Terry is a straight-up thug

Although where's the Cashley hate?

I dunno I mean Diouf wins at a fuckin canter, everything else is just an excuse to list other players we don't like

^4-4-2

Berbatov looks like a war criminal

Winner!

lol eastern europeans?

ashley cole snuck in as left back on my 4-4-2.

lol aura of unspeakable evil, stop trying to make me look like a bad dude

He seems kind of anonymous now compared to his diving/playacting heyday at Arsenal (xp)

Maybe because so many other English players dive and playact these days

Plus hard to hate a guy who had a mobile phone shoved up his ass by an R&B DJ, right?
xp

Although where's the Cashley hate?

I just came here to do this!

Here's an extract from thelondonpaper, September 11 2006:

Cole said in extracts of his autobiography serialised in The Times: "The club made Thierry feel wanted and special, wooing him, wining and dining him, speaking in public about how much they want him to stay, going on a deliberate charm offensive.
But me? I didn't have one dinner, one meeting or one phone call from anyone. That's not sour grapes, that's the sad truth. The truth is that the Gunners had done nothing to hold on to me.
In December 2004 I got a call from my agent telling me he had shaken with David Dein on a 60,000 deal.
But then later that month I got a telephone call that changed everything I felt and viewed about Arsenal. My agent phoned and said 'David Dein said they aren't going to give you 60,000 a week. They've agreed 55k and that is their best and final offer.
'They are taking the piss', I yelled down the phone"

That's not sour grapes, that's the sad truth :(

"Then I cried like a big fucking babby."

"And married Cheryl Tweedy"

Maybe because so many other English players dive and playact these days

i phoned Morrissey and he agreed it was cos of too many foreign players

My hatred: El-Hadji Diouf > Ashley Cole >>> rest of Premiership > Jimmy Bullard

"Which was ironic, consider Cheryl's history of CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT"

with mobile phones? really?

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3 Feet High and Rising? Ouch.

which one of you just went on berbatov's wikipedia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitar_Berbatov

arf

I hate enthuasiastic footballer Wikis written by fans of their team

after the champions league game against porto last year i went to a pub near drayton park. A bloke at the next table spent an hour singing "one man and his dog", replacing the word "dog" with "mobile phone" and "went to mow a meadow" with "went to bed with Ashley".

Scratch my vote for Savage, Cashley wins.

Since the demise of Martin Jol, Berbatov has stated his willingness to remain at White Hart Lane.

ffs he's not DEAD. learn to write.

a whole hour singing that? what a character (xp)

demise noun 1 formal or euphemistic death. 2 a failure or end

blueski out!

RIP

Is that really the kind of emotive language we want to see on our favourite ramshackle internet encyclopaedia run by wackjobs though?

I predict: a 'surprising' victory for Spurs. No votes for Fulham, Middlesbrough, Reading. The dullards.

I do hate Middlesbrough tho.

Liverpool will walk this poll (alone or otherwise)

My dad hates Liverpool with a raging passion. He kept on coming in last night, looking at the score, and exclaiming grief.

Any nominations aside from Jimmy Bullard as to least-loathable Prem player? I suppose Kanu's gotta be up there.

I predict no votes for Sunderland or Derby, barring some bitter lurkers

Everybody loves Benni McCarthy.

As an American, my approach is severely skewed by the fact that teams that I don't mind watching are often supported here by the worst kind of fans. I have nothing in particular against Man U, but their American fans almost unfailingly piss me off. That said, I'm no great fan of English Chelsea supporters living here in San Francisco - they always seem to be the loudest, most stereotypically English of boors, braying, raucous, rude, parochial and jingoistic, but maybe I've just met the wrong ones.

Nope, they're the right ones.

kanu is too old to hate, but he does have a stupid south park grin when he scores.

being fair, arteta seems a reasonably likeable fella, as in he's talented but hasn't been involved in any orgies or controversy. there's loads of reasonably likeable footballers.

xp michael, no, you've just met chelsea supporters.

Jimmy Bullard apparently talks constant shit throughout matches, according to Kev Nol

Michael, it's not just Americans who hate Man U because of their fans. That and their vain, bullying cheat of a manager.

Useless De La Cruz seems a particularly upstanding fellow

Dave Kitson seems a likeable chap.

being fair, arteta seems a reasonably likeable fella

Played for Rangers. Instant disqualification.

Born in Piquiucho, a small village in the Valle del Chota, one of Ecuador’s poorest regions, De la Cruz has set up a foundation there to fund a number of projects serving the local community to which he donates about 10% of his salary.[1] At one of the Reading matches, fans were asked to donate money to his fund and he raised a few thousand pounds. The foundation funds amongst other things a water treatment plant, a health centre and a sports ground. He has been named a UNICEF ambassador.

Most hated - used to be Pires, now Alonso.

Fave - Kevin Davies.

Stop being nasty about Chelsea fans or I'll get the Smilers to rip yer fucking faces off.

Useless De La Cruz gives his wages to his Ecuadorian hometown, doesn't he? Good lad. I think Kanu does something similar. XPOST!

Dave Kitson is apparently quite good at Scrabble ;-)

I would have all this beers with Marcus Hahnemann

I remember that Paolo di Canio refusing to score a goal because the opposing keeper was injured, he must've been a really nice fella too

For a nazi.

haha

Marcus Hahnemann I know very little about except that he's another one on the factory line of big, commanding (and usually bald) US keepers.

Please. He's a Fascist. They're very different things.

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Please stay calm everyone, I was only trying to do the sporting thing

with mobile phones? really?

http://www.boingboing.net/images/_0701_mobile_phones_old_mobile_phones_002.jpg

I hate Kanu, the lackadaisical swine. Robbie Keane and Craig Gordon seem like good guys, and I can't think of any reason to hate Yakubu or David James.

I remember that Paolo di Canio refusing to score a goal because the opposing keeper was injured, he must've been a really nice fella too

-- That mong guy that's shit, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 15:47 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

lololol post of the day

re: Friedel, Keller, Hahnemann etc: they were trained as shortliners, but they didn't have enough pace between the eighteenth and twenty-first timedowns, so switching codes became not only tempting but expedient.

All Germans too.

<3 David James

^^^yes

I remember that Paolo di Canio refusing to score a goal because the opposing keeper was injured, he must've been a really nice fella too

-- That mong guy that's shit, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 15:47 (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

lololol post of the day

Well, it must've taken quite a lot of restraint to not sterilise him

It's all well and good being nice if you're naturally inclined that way, but it's more of a heroic struggle for some people

Yes his goalkeeping has given me a fair amount of belly laughs over the years - esp. for England (xp)

has the "fa demanding terry be removed from the captaincy" story done the rounds here today?

it's a good story.

niall quinn is no longer a footballer, but is the nicest guy, so much so that he's just a big pathetic doormat. damien duffer is another pretty likeable sort, judging on what i've seen.

nobody's mentioned stephen ireland, so i'd just like to say stephen ireland doesn't appear to be a player with moral fibre, who would, perhaps, put his foot on the ball and make the simple pass.

Calamity James

England v. France, amirite?

I remember some dude on a Villa board claiming that Quinn is an evil bastard behind the cuddly public persona, but he refused to elaborate on this.

According to my old sports hack housemate, Chris Kamara is a total surly cunt, while we're on that trip

When, as a drunken 17-year-old in Northampton, I shouted "Deano Deano give us a wave" at then Northampton Town midfielder (also of Birmingham City and Shrewsbury) Dean Peer, he mooned the group of guys I was with.

Just sayin', like.

niall quinn hasn't an evil bone in his body. they make fun of him over here on radio, cos he's so nice, and he just smiles and says, "hiiiyaaa, ya i'm probably to nice for my own good".

it would be great if he turned out really really ridiculously evil, possibly by introducing slave labour at youth level at sunderland.

It is this mooning incident that sent Passantino down the path to being the Internet Message Board Pariah you see before you now

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Dean Peer

^^^best name for paedophile ever

I saw Martin Laursen last week, but he didn't seem to be in the middle of giving money to charity or killing a child, so that one's still indeterminate

This is a whole other poll, people.

I dunno, I'm glad we had this talk

all we do is talk

Quinn+Keane

http://bookboy.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/unicorns.jpg

Keane has had some Vader-esque conversion since becoming a manager.

we should settle this with ILX Football FAP, in which we play each other at football, and then repair to the pub to make trenchant comments over a meaningless lower-league mid-table scrap, winner gets to take home the ball

cinderella got to go to a ball, but young jagger got to take the ball home with him after today's match. fairytale stuff, ron.

There must be other ILXers besides me who wd have a heart attack before the 90 minutes was up.

90 seconds more like

(lazy perpetua zing)

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Roy Keane, yesterday

I love how J.G.O. is trying to influence the voting up above, 'oh don't let's be beastly to Man U'

INFLUENCED MY VOTE

So that's what Martin Jol's up to these days (xp)

martin jol is fat and stupid, but likeable. i miss him. and diana, obviously.

xxpost: they play good football, they're excellent ambassadors for the nation in europe, they've always had a core of home-grown players, and it's always funny when they lose. what is there to hate, apart from the fact that their fans are mostly from London and Asia? even alex ferguson i find quite acceptable. this probably has something to do with the fact that he's a fucking incredible manager.

bolton, however, are the pits.

Arsenal are much more irritating than Man Utd

No.

Although their fans mostly come from the same part of the country, so who can tell?

Wenger! LOL!

JGO: Re-read your post, and then add "they always get dodgy late-game penalties, their best player is insufferable and their best-loved player hasn't been any good since they purchased him, oh yeah they purchase everything, they're owned by idiots, they have clearly put marketing ahead of being good, and people like me always stick up for them."

Plus I'm a Man City fan so there.

Although their fans mostly come from the same part of the country, so who can tell?

But which country?

jesus if this was a thread for most hated man in football then ferguson would win if even i had to log in as fifty different people to vote.

xxpost to D5: haha fair fucks then! :D

there's a certain kind of arsenal fan that makes me want to commit GBH, most of them live in hampstead mansions and know tit-all about football except that thierry cesc is god

I remember a 5! Live broadcast in which, after Man U had scraped through some 2nd round Carling Cup tie or something, the commentator said "They'll be dancing in the streets of Bournemouth tonight."

oh god I really don't want to ask what "fair fucks" means, LEAVE THREAD NOW YANKEE DOG

ugh thierry henry, i can only hope if i had his talent, money and apparent charm to the opposite sex i wouldn't be such a total c*nt.

although, admittedly i probably would be.

"fair f*cks" just means fair enough.

okay urban dictionary helped me out, not so bad, I can stop hyperventilating

http://www.isle-of-man.com/manxnotebook/people/lords/fairfax.jpg

although, admittedly i probably would be.

do you even need the talent, money, charm etc.?

Arsenal fans used to be fun until they discovered this fucking veneer of self-righteous moral snarkiness.

I prefer Ferguson to Wenger..... though admittedly it's a Stalin v. Hitler scenario

in 1904 (xp)

re: "fair fucks", i've only heard it once, and that was from someone living in manchester, so there!

ronaldo isn't insufferable, he's great, and he used the word 'polemic' in interview A+++ would listen again; his unfortunate tendency to dive against teams like derby county is what gets on my nerves sometimes. rooney has CLEARLY been good. they don't purchase everything (chelsea do if anyone). and they won the premiership last season = marketing clearly a priority. the mental state of their owners you'll know better than me i suppose.

Damn I have been missing the best thread ever.

Eboue is a dirty, moaning cunt of a player, cf: his slap followed by nasty tackle at the weekend, but kind of low profile really. Kevin Prince-Boateng has some real potential in this department but he'll need to actually do something first.

Barton and Bowyer still win this hands down for me, beating Eboue and famous acquitted rapists Robin Van Persie and Titus Bramble. Wenger is more insufferable than any footballer in the Premiership.

I quite like Man Utd and Liverpool, mostly by virtue of not being Arsenal or Chelsea.

I like Wenger. What am I missing?

Spurs fans and people who hate Arsenal but coincidentally live just up the road from the Emirates are banned from answering.

WORST LOSER EVER maybe?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/fivelive/presenters/media/green_pub1.jpg

Worst person in the Premiership.

He's a myopic hypocritical self-righteous whinger.

I don't really dislike him though.

No that's Lex at Scrabulous (xp) Also Mourinho is far worse/less gracious. I like Jose too so just being a moany bad loser clearly doesn't bother me much.

Worst person ever to play in the Premiership. Possibly the worst person ever to live in London.

Surely this is one we can all get behind?

Fulham always seem to have a manager who blames the referee after every single defeat.

I don't mind Wenger. His insouciance is quite affecting. It's the stuck-up "we play the best football evah and deserve to win everything" fans who wind me up.

there's a certain kind of arsenal fan that makes me want to commit GBH, most of them live in hampstead mansions

i wish i knew more arsenal fans who live in hampstead mansions

but i know 0

The aggrieved "they wouldn't let us play football" whinge is the one that always gets me.

unless m4rc3ll0 c4rl1n is an arsenal fan?

Bowyer, incidentally, is reformed by all accounts, and I'm willing to give him the B.O.D. for now.

ken, maybe 'mansions' is an exaggeration, but VERY well-off arsenal fans from the wealthy parts of North London abounded throughout my education.

must've been terrible

PEOPLE YOU WENT TO SCHOOL WITH WERE RICH WOW I WONDER WHY THAT WAS

here we go :D

osama bin laden lived in london, y'know

Wenger insouciant?!??!! LOL!

When he fucking wins maybe

He means 'French'.

xxxpost

That'd be MILLIONAIRE Osama bin Laden, yes?

also, dom, plz to wrap yr head around the concept of an 'academic scholarship'.

osama bin laden lived in london, y'know

in a mansion probably

and guess who he supported??!!!?!?!

where was your school where all the rich people are?

osama likes weapons, innit

Jihadists all Gooners, innit?

Didn't Jose say so in his book?

also, dom, plz to wrap yr head around the concept of an 'academic scholarship'.

-- Just got offed, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 16:36 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Who's more ghetto: Kevin-Prince Boateng or Just God Offed?

Bad Londoners

Osama the Arsenal fan
Stalin
Ho Chi Minh
Dennis Nielsen
Henry VIII
Robbespierre
Jack The Ripper
Dennis Wise

i like wenger.

xp blueski- I don't necessarily need the money, charm etc, but it would make it a lot more fun from my perspective

Worst Spurs fan ever.

Steve "Big, Big Decisions" Bruce = worst loser outside of the top four

LOL (xp). darraghmac out!

haha well only one of us is from LEWISHAM innit

srsly i'm not trying to brag here, i'm just saying that in a year of roughly 200 people i reckon i was one of the 10 poorest, maybe even 5, this is all relative tho i suppose

if everyone in the school you meet is rich it's unlikely that you're going to meet an arsenal fan who isn't rich...

Man, so you were only entitled to shoot like four people that whole time?

in your school, that is

Steve "Big, Big Decisions" Bruce = worst loser outside of the top four

This is so true.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40871000/jpg/_40871308_cleese.jpg

L-R: Arsenal fan, Arsenal fan, Louis Jagger

xpost

I would have left off the "outside of the top four"

What's worse is he does is that exasperated voice he does it in

... oops, you get my drift tho

Yes, I bet he's a right moaning bastard if you beat him at snooker too.

Actually, Mourinho did gracious defeat quite well when he dropped points to someone like Reading, it was only when it was against one of the Top Four (or Spurs) that the toys came out of the pram.

i'm leaving ilx, where to post my quavering resignation note?

Traditionally you start a thread, call everybody a cunt, and crawl back 3 days later.

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AHM NOT GUNNER COOM EYAH AND MORN, BUT WOR SHOULDA HAD A PENALTY, IT WAS BLEETENT, BLEETENT, UNFORTUNATELY HE'S NOT SEEN THAT AND IT'S COST UZ T'DEE

me personally? i don't remember, but then 2004 was a kinda hazy time for me.

that is a superb steve bruce accent

i wasn't born into money, is what i'm saying. plenty of the families at school were media dynasties or old money; my dad was penniless when he set out to become a computer programmer. he just happened to be pretty good at it so he did OK. then he got made redundant and we were back in the shit. so much so that my mum had to become a primary school TA (after 20 years without any teaching experience) in order to nudge up funds. before i went to uni i had to work in a warehouse. stop this bullshit chip on shoulder nonsense; just because i somehow wound up with a public school education doesn't mean i'm a stuck-up cock-of-the-walk nob. i agree that plenty of them exist, but i ain't remotely one of 'em.

steve bruce sucks big-time, his leaving birmingham possibly saved them from my vote

u mad

Wenger is okay but I find perplexing his bouts of blindness.

I think by now I know more about Louis' family history than I do about my own

I've grown to quite like Mark Hughes' method of pretending to be diplomatic and restrained over bad decisions while obviously scarcely suppressing a rage that burns with the fire of a thousand suns

Oh look who the MOST HATED PREMIER LEAGUE TEAM POLL thread's about.

I meant "one" rather than "you" darragh, but either way.

Oh look who the MOST HATED PREMIER LEAGUE TEAM POLL thread's about.

Man u?

Take it easy Louis, I think it's just meant to be banter, like acrobat looking like Steven Mangan or Dom killing women

just because i somehow wound up with a public school education doesn't mean i'm a stuck-up cock-of-the-walk nob

I thought that was the whole point of public school.

Anyway... ...Steve Bruce would make a great Widow Twankey, he wouldn't even need much make up.

mark hughes is ace, but his 2005-6 blackburn team were a bunch of thugs and deserved every stinker of a ref decision they got.

steve bruce could do with a bit of make up.

Lawrie Sanchez = whinging bad loser entirely without the laughter value of Chris Coleman's murderous black-eyed rages

sanchez is morphing into coleman, but both are the worst losers i've ever seen in the premiership

Actually, there's not enough about Liverpool.

Over-rated fans, crap songs, Stephen Gerrard, Xabi Alonso, Rafa's beard, Jermaine Pennant, victim mentality, demanding apologies from anybody and everybody, misguided notion of what constitutes 'wit', Tarbuck, Boardman, Michael Howard...

mark hughes is ace a thug, but his 2005-6 blackburn team every team he's ever picked in his entire life were a bunch of thugs

And then there's Allardyce: "We've compiled 13 hours of footage of unpunished foul throws committed against us since 1936 - we can show it to the FA any time they want us to."

ah thank fuck he doesn't do interviews, i'd almost purged him outta my head

You have to love Sanchez for being in The Krays

http://www.4thegame.com/media/00/04/10/lawrie_sanchez.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42862000/jpg/_42862849_sanchez.jpg
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Loves his Mum, never stole from his own, etc.

Nb Appy Arry is planning to sue everyone in the world who has annoyed him recently again, so they better watch out

Yeah, but

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpWGav5uAHA

allardyce is far and away the most hateful manager, cliched club rivalries aside.

i was really torn between liverpool and chelsea when voting for what this poll was originally about. benitez is a horrible little gnome.

Rafa's the only bearable thing about Liverpool!

Love Sam, hate Rafa.

I mean come on: comedy squad rotation, comedy beard

Comedy selecting of Harry Kewell to play in any football game whatsoever

Comedy winding up the board and then deciding you rather like your job after all.

The Prem is a bit short on managerial hate figures right now, I can only really think or Redknapp, Wenger and Allardyce who particularly bother me. No Graeme Souness, no credibility.

hahahaha matt plays the trump card

Paul Jewell, what a cunt

souness was uncomfortable on irish telly last night, really isn't used to the level of crankiness dunphy and giles were going on with.

But in the green room afterwards, I bet him and Giles were comparing how many players' legs they had broken

paul jewell is my dad's personal unfavourite, he describes him as a 'pathetic waste of space'

least hated premiership manager: surely el coppello

i'd say dunphy was trying not to be noticed in the corner, just in case

Coppell, Jewell, Curbishley = NICE GUYS

either coppell or o'neill come ta think of it

O'Neill = NUTCASE

happy nutcase, very excited

but a very nice nutcase!

strachan needs to manage here again, he'd walk it

O'Neill = ILXOR

"one of us"

My dad has hated Coppell ever since he ran off from the Man City job. Not that my dad cares about Man City, he just thinks it means Coppell's a big girl's blouse.

Why does your dad hate scousers so LJ?

strachan needs to manage here again, he'd walk it

He'd certainly be in with a shout for the least likeable manager and I'm a Celtic fan. Arrogant, conceited wee shite.

NV, that probably meant he was a very sensible man (at the time).

I've taken my dad up on this and he's never provided me with an adequate reason ("always whinging" seems to be the extent of his critique). He likes The Beatles though so it's probably not terminal.

Strachan's really funny though! And that's what gets you votes!

Strachan's really funny though

Gordon Strachan certainly seems to think so

don't get the Redknapp hate either

He trolls message boards in his spare time, Steve.

No, 'Awwy's alwight, just wouldn't buy a used car from him

he'll always be Droopy to me

^^^this

vvv also probably this, good thread

Premiership managers not mentioned so far: Billy Davies, David Moyes

also Gareth Southgate

Davies = SACKED

Moyes = too scary to be likeable

oh and Juande Ramos, Sven-Goran Eriksson

SGE is classic, shurely?

oops re: davies

Southgate = nice guy, going nowhere

SGE = classic

i like Moyes

Ramos - has said precisely fuck all so far.

Actually yeah, all the ones we hadn't mentioned are very nice, except Ramos who is an unknown quantity and doesn't speak English yet.

I like David Moyes too. I've always got a soft spot for managers you just know are going to give their players a right royal bumming at half time if they're 2-0 down.

Speaking of which, elephant in room = KEANO.

Moyes = Great but still scary. Most anti-English manager in the Premiership... apart from Fergie of course.

Gus Poyet is obviously classic though. Not as classic as Ranieri, mind.

Also apparently there's this bloke, manages quite a big club... Avram something?

I like him! So miserable!

he'll always be Droopy to me

Ha ha.

Tho the voice makes him seem more miserable than he probably is (xp)

Strachan is funny when he's not slating his own team's fans for not knowing enough about football. I like the fact that he doesn't take any shit from the media, I don't like him telling me I don't know enough about technical footbally stuff for getting a bit cross when my team doesn't score as many goals as the opposition team - apparently I should be happy that we created lots of chances, when really I'm just happy if enough of them cross the goal-line.

Louis Jagger's Scottish football OPINIONS4U

Harry Redknapp has no sense of smell. FACT.

yeah remember when everyone hated SGE? not so much, anymore, innit

...they purchase everything, they're owned by idiots....
Plus I'm a Man City fan so there.

Whereas City are to be applauded for the golden generation of home-grown talent that has taken them to unaccustomed heights. People said United's crop from the class of 92 could never be repeated, but lightning seems to have struck twice with Elano, Petrov, Bianchi, Garrido, Corluka and Bojinov all emerging from the streets off Rusholme this summer to join City, saving them perhaps £30 million which they would have cost in transfer fees.

As for the owners: at least United supporters fought long and hard against them, rather than welcoming even dodgier people with open arms.

Interesting response. Still, I hate your team.

But not this much, that truly sucks.

FWIW, I went for Liverpool. Not really anything to do with the current team, much more for the moustachioed cunts with shit haircuts that dominated English football during my school years, and for all the glory-hunting kids at school that supported them. In terms of supporters, I think Leeds are the worst, but I've been very unimpressed with the inbred folk from Bolton and Blackburn that I've encountered banging on about how they hate 'The Munichs'. I think Middlesbrough deserve a special mention for being so dreary - I can't say I hate them, but I really wouldn't care if they were relegated never to return.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

i'm going for birmingham, they've been a waste of time all my life. plus they were unbelieveably obnoxious in their lol sleeping giants = play-off defeat phase, far worse than the usual forest/wednesday/qpr thing dom correctly described. (although personally i think the qpr thing is slightly different, but not by that much really.)

some of ppl's player hates are maaaaad - dioufy is sublime, van persie with his rapist's left foot.

dave kitson can recite macbeth in its entirety, from memory. i read that somewhere.

Yeah, Savage is a pantomime villain, Terry is a straight-up thug

-- Dom Passantino

bollox, terry is the biggest tart in the league

Liverpool for being the least deserving team to be UEFA champs. Benitass.

bollox, terry is the biggest tart in the league

-- r|t|c, Thursday, 13 December 2007 00:17 (9 hours ago) Link

I said he was a thug, I didn't say he was hard

The thing that people rarely seem to comment on with Terry is that he's actually really fucking camp.

Lol QPR were never giants in the first place (neither were Birmingham to be fair).

Midland Floodlit Youth League

1987-8 1989-90 (2)

Tough cockneys always have a bit of camp about them.

Yeah, the way Ronnie Kray carried on anybody would think he was a poof.

"Did I remember to send me old Ma a Christmas card?"

http://images.sportinglife.com/07/11/330/Lawrie_Sanchez_592660.jpg

Gok Wan looks awful close-up

http://web2.seventymm.com/images/ActorImage/23273.jpg

Ooh you are awful...

Thing is, if Chelsea had won the league last season they'd be romping home with this. Surprised by the amount of anti-Liverpool sentiment here, ILXers be unable to get over the 80s.

On the contrary, it's Liverpool fans who are unable to get over the 80s!

it's the fans that put liverpool in contention. them and carragher/gerrard/benitez

It's mostly the fans but also the Hansen/Lawrenson/Alan Green/BBC Liverpool Supporters Club sucking Stevie G's cock for the last 10 years

West Ham, Birmingham, Pompey and Newcastle have much worse fans than Liverpool.

Captain-Save-A-Tragedy-Milker

Pompey have two high profile nutters dragging the club's reputation down, unless they are in fact one and the same

SINKING OF THE MARY ROSE - NEVER FORGET

Anthony Minghella is a Portsmouth fan

that chant that's just a looong mournful liiiiiiiivvveeeehhhhpuuuuuuuulccch liiiiiiiivvveeeeeehhhpuuuuuuulchh

xpost they may have worse fans, but i don't ever have to put up with any of them. liverpool supporters are everywhere.

THIRTY YEARS OF BEING VIEWED AS THE FRUMPIEST PLACE IN THE UK EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BRITAIN'S SECOND CITY, NEVER STOPPED ME DREAMING

Sorry, I couldn't think of anything interesting to have happened in Birmingham in the last 400 years.

Those Jamaican guys killing that Muslim

West Ham, Birmingham, Pompey and Newcastle have much worse fans than Liverpool.

Depends what criterion you're using.

Also Jasper Carrot's "real Australian motor insurance claim forms"

xp

West Ham - biggest racists, one really annoying song
Birmingham - biggest thugs
Pompey - darkwave army
Newcastle - fattest fans anywhere in the world

the last time I saw a Birmingham fan in the flesh, he was loudly pointing to an ambulance that was going past and shouting "THERE MUST BE A PAKI ON FIRE" over and over again

Anecdotal evidence there, marvelous

Yeah Newcastle need to put some fuckin shirts on and go for a run every now and then

Liverpool - arrogant whinging self-obsessed twats who conform to all the worst Scouse stereotypes in a way Everton fans never seem to

the last time I saw a Birmingham fan in the flesh, he was loudly pointing to an ambulance that was going past and shouting "THERE MUST BE A PAKI ON FIRE" over and over again

This does not take into account the one I live with, who is largely harmless

Provided you keep matches and Asians out of his reach?

I like Sunderland fans, relegated time and time again and still they keep coming back for more.

The fact that they (Liverpool that is) are the English team of choice for Loyalist bigots doesn't help either

The fact that they (Liverpool that is) are the English team of choice for Loyalist bigots doesn't help either

-- Tom D., 13 December 2007 10:43 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i had no idea about this? they have a massive following across pretty much all divides in ireland.

In the South maybe

Newcastle - fattest fans anywhere in the world

Rangers jerseys come in XXXXXL, isn't that some kind of record?

xpost is there an equivalent team for catholics, or would that be frowned upon?

There are no loyalist/catholic teams in England. Nobody cares enough thank god.

Weird considering Liverpool and Celtic have historically been pretty friendly. I always thought Liverpool were meant to be the Catholic club.

yeah, that's what i thought too.

I thought it was Everton! I've never bought into this Liverpool/Celtic thing, don't believe it, I've never sang a note of "We'll Never Walk Alone" in my life.

There are no loyalist/catholic teams in England. Nobody cares enough thank god.

There are no loyalist/catholic teams in England. Nobody cares enough thank god.

There are no loyalist/catholic teams in England. Nobody cares enough thank god.

There are no loyalist/catholic teams in England. Nobody cares enough thank god.

wouldn't everton be more of a loyalist club? moyes looks like the marching type to me

yeah, the point isn't whether they're considered that in england, pete.

Rangers jerseys come in XXXXXL, isn't that some kind of record?

-- onimo, Thursday, 13 December 2007 10:49 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

My guess is that there are some teams that have larger shirt sizes. DC United, LA Galaxy, New York Red Bulls, Chicago Fire...

Most Celtic fans I know - if they follow an English team at all - it would be Man Utd.

moyes looks like the marching type to me

Who used to play for Celtic of course!

i just can't shake the feeling....

xx-post

fair enough.

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,347342,00.html

I'm sure I remember Chicago Fire having an XXXXXXXXL shirt as a tribute to their legendary 450lb wingrunner Chico "Shemp" Masterson

The debate continues

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,1563,349647,00.html

i just can't shake the feeling....

Oh no, I agree, just shows once again how non-sectarian Celtic are compared to some clubs I could mention

Liverpool/Everton support doesn't really split along sectarian lines, at least not in the city itself. My Dad's family were Protestant and my Mum's Catholic and they were both Blue, FWIW.

Jeez, I almost feel like I'm going to have to start defending Liverpool FC and their fans from this vitrolic onslaught. The Liverpool fans I know personally are great. Deeply misguided, but lovely people.

I thought it was Everton! I've never bought into this Liverpool/Celtic thing, don't believe it, I've never sang a note of "We'll Never Walk Alone" in my life.

Both Liverpool and Everton have a sizeable support made up of descendants of (mostly Catholic) Irish immigrants but neither club really has a political stance re Republicanism/Unionism.

It's "You'll Never Walk Alone" and it's a Celtic song and a Liverpool song, not a song indicating some link between the two. When we played Liverpool in the UEFA Cup in the 90s I remember the announcer (Tiger Tim? Or was he sacked by then?) thanking the Scousers for joining in with "our song" :)

Most brain-dead Loyalist bigots I know of would choose Chelsea or West Ham as their English team.

It's a Liverpool song

What's the story, 1964 Cup Winners Cup?

I always think of the programme for the April '78 Goodison derby (David Johnson scored late on, I cried on the bus, etc, etc) and its profile of celeb fans: Gerry Marsden for the Reds, Leonard Rossiter for the Blues. We should've taken up singing the Rising Damp theme in the Gwladys Street end.

Celtic fans were big on Rodgers & Hammerstein before all this Merseybeat nonsense :)

Nah, Rodgers and Hart, 'tic fans are more discriminating

"When love congeals/ It soon reveals/ The faint aroma of performing seals..."

Man Utd used to sing YNWA too; lots of clubs did, even up the 1970s. Nearly every club in Germany does, bless em.

As for hateful managers, I hate Billy Davies for being a turncoat twat. Southgate is the David Brent of football managers - impresses some with apparent erudition, but clearly over-promoted and believes his own hype but secretly knows verbosity does not equal intelligence. He's also a twat as witnessed by the Noreen Herz Nurses stuff.

Redknapp is a wanker for reasons that it would be wrong to say much about at this stage. Divide every bung by the gate at your club for starters.

Fertguson is a biggest hypocritical, dictatorial pathetically vindicative nasty piece of work; he practically psychotic.

hold on pete, aren't your chelsea historically big chums with rangers? i'm sure i've heard talk of blues signing loyalist stuff.

singing, rather. (although if chelsea could take bob malcolm off our hands that would be grand)

BNP/Loyalist connections

i kind of feel bad that residual jose love stopped me from voting chelsea straight away :/

knocking them out of the fa cup and destroying the home record will make up for that eh.

Yeah, there is a loyalist connection at Chelsea, but Chelsea aren't a Prod club - ie, we don't sing protestant or anti-catholic anthems, nobody knows or cares what religion the players are etc. i;m catholic, and it's never been relevant.

There was a brief period in the early 90s when Rangers fans started coming to game singing songs, but there was a big outcry in the fanzines and it quickly stopped.I think rangers still come, but they don't sing.

you can get chelsea/rangers badges and there used to be a chelsea/rangers/linfield fanzine, but ffs i saw somebody wearing a chelsea/liverpool split hat at the CL semi. it's a minority thing, and not even a vocal one.

talking of hoops, remember playing you at Loftus road years and years ago and some bloke started singing 'there's only one team called Rangers' till the bloke behind him shouted 'yeah, and they're shit and all'. everybody laughed, nobody cares.

in the 70s, half the shed sang 'celtic' the other half sang 'rangers' then they all hit each other.

fair dos.

i love those split hats. i hope someone in the world collects them.

I think rangers still come, but they don't sing.

They're not allowed to these days, or they're not supposed to be.

http://cleverone.org/scarves/cl-06-07.html

please tell me you have the levski sofia one.

you have to have the levski sofia one.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Reading 2

Some dudes not feeling AutoTrader?

One of those Reading votes was me. I vote random every poll I see. Fuck democracy.

Just voted for "Fish" in the Rat Scabies poll, which is now the only Damned song I know of, even if I've never heard it.

most hated premier league team = best bush tucker trial or something.

I bet Gareth voted for Everton. I haven't forgotten "ultra-boring crap bunglers". Thing is, we were then. We're not now.

I bet it was ferg who voted Villa.

I bet Darraghmac voted Spurs.

I had a feeling Man Utd were going to win this comfortably, lol silent majority.

I thought Chelsea would win.

A victory for common sense.

haha Man City 0!

this poll is a flaming travesty

Louis Jagger's INDIGNITY4U

Chelsea's Christmas Party saw Frank Lampard dress up as Prince Charming, John Terry as Mr Incredible and Claudio Pizarro as a Roman emperor - and Andriy Shevchenko in his normal attire. (Daily Mail)

Ah well. It's how we arrived at this conclusion that counts.

Kerr, I do not hate Aston Villa, even if I felt slightly ambiguous towards them while grinding out 0-0 draws against Charlton in the freezing cold under O'Leary.

I'll never forget that James Milner shot on target

Can't believe I'm the only one who voted for Spurs.

Are there really no Gooners on here? Where's that West Ham fan gone?

I can't believe I didn't sockpuppet Newcastle into the top 6

I'd say Spurs have a fairly wide spread of people being a bit sick of them but not to the point of saying they're their most hated team. Arsenal do seem curiously under-represented rahnd ere

Another 700 posts and we can overtake the Chicago thread this week, guys.

The Chicago thread is still buzzing over the news of Chicago Windsocks' star flankrunner Josh Brugensacker's shock transfer to the Omaha Dust Devils tho

It's not a TRANSFER it's a TRADE.

Still, they took TJ Chepstoe sixth draft from Ulanda State this year, I think he's gonna fill the Brugster's shoes with little-to-no problem.

OTM, his second 24/%/*.8 pipecock in the pre-postseason exhibition game against the Atlanta Tapirs was a thing of rare beauty

lol I meant 24/%/^.8, obv

I bet Darraghmac voted Spurs

nope, the esteemed non-racist gent john terry pointed me in the direction of stamford bridge. what a lovely chap.

Chelsea would have been my second choice, but that's a relatively recent thing. As late as 2004 I was cheering when they dumped Arsenal out of Europe.

Questions to the United Haters: when did you start hating United / who do you support / where do you come from?

When I was at school nearly everyone else supported Spurs/Arsenal/West Ham/Liverpool and they just hated each other's clubs. Nobody seemed bothered enough to even have an opinion about United. But that was in the south and United were a bit rubbish for a while. When I went to university up north I was a bit taken aback at just how many people *really* hated United. Not just the local population (which was split three ways between Leeds, Man Utd and Liverpool), but students from all over the north supporting teams like Sheff Wed, Stoke, Burnley, etc. all seemed to absolutely loathe United - and this was when they were still 25+ years without winning the league. I imagine it's got a lot to do with so many people from Stoke, Burnley, etc. supporting Man Utd instead of Stoke, Burnley, etc. At some point in 1993 the whole of the rest of the country seemed to start hating Man United too.

Yeah, that's my reading too. At my (south London/Surrey border) school in the late 80s, it was all about hating Liverpool, or local rivals. United were always presented by the media as this massive club, but it was very hard to understand why, given they'd never been that successful in our lifetimes. So nobody really bothered hating them - they weren't relevant. All the Londoners who supported United were pitied rather than scorned.

But that was my generation in the south. My family are Midlanders and didn't understand why I wanted United to beat Palace in the 90 Cup final.

Then United got successful again and everybody started to hate them.

I think by 93 United had the sort of side and produced the sort of results that indicated their title wasn't gonna be a one-off (which certainly wasn't the case with Leeds the year before)

Also Cantona, Robson, Ince, Keane, Schmeichel, Ferguson... these are people it was easy to dislike.

I always thought of Schmeichel as pretty likeable until he allegedly became the J Terry to Ledley King's Ian Wright, allegedly

Didn't Ian Wright later admitted he'd completely made that up?

I don't remember but it never really stuck TBF

i voted for the Villa, shit on them for they are shite. did no one else here from the West Midlands vote? every Villa fan i've ever met was:

1. a racist
2. a cunt

mind you, times are changing now. kids today, they don't understand how important it is to hate the Villa. you see people walking around Cov city centre, bold as brass, in Villa shirts. in broad daylight! 10 years ago, maybe even 5, they'd have ended up in a ditch somewhere, blood oozing and slowly comingling with with the dank, stagnant soil of our fair city.

I am a nice guy

my post was pitched at being roughly 50% sincere, but on reflection, i'm actually closer to 95% behind what i said.

I have seen Ferg nailbomb three mosques

I just wanted to affirm, that I am a nice guy

It's nearly Christmas

http://images.teamtalk.com/06/10/190/JuanPabloAngel_167874.jpg

Also a nice guy

http://www.4thegame.com/media/00/02/40/Dion_Dublin.jpg

Look at the warmth, the sincerity

About 11 inches of warmth and sincerity, apparently

he made Savage cry

the top 5 teams in this poll are the top 5 teams in the premier league just now.

Tall poppy syndrome

Another damning indictment of just how much the British hate success, and also cunts with bells

Ferg has been on fire today, but finest moment in recent memory probably the following gem from non-league equivalent:

I live with a nice Leeds fan :/

He does break quite a lot of stuff tho

Thinking about it, his attempted arson of Rio Ferdinand's house was probably the pinnacle

-- That mong guy that's shit, Wednesday, 12 December 2007 14:28 (2 days ago) Bookmark Link

LouJag: hypeman

That wasn't actually a joke. He's also friends with the guy who baited Phil Neville into dissing Fergie via text by pretending to be Alan Smith. He really is a nice dude though.

Yeah, I didn't think it was a joke, but often the truth is funnier. Keep it up, guys!

Another fun Dio Dublin fact: apparently he sweats like a shower-head

to answer the "how long have you hated manyoo" question, my answer is always. Before even I became aware of the nuances of football loving and just said I was a Liverpool supporter my Dad continuously informed me that they were pretty much the devil (no pun intended), he hated them with a passion, which was weird as he was some odd Fulham/Millwall/Palace hybrid fan (he used to pick which game he'd go to in the sixties that morning)

Dada's usual bollocks on here makes me all the more glad to be a Liverpool fan though.

I still don't understand why I don't hate Everton thoughm maybe it's the Jonesy effect, but nah, they're nowehere compared to...let's see...Manyoo, Chelsea, Portsmouth, possibly Bolton even

I still don't understand why I don't hate Everton though

You don't hate Everton cos you're not a Scouser, Porkpie. I think it may well be the case that Liverpool hatred for Man United exceeds any enmity for Everton even within the city, though. There's a few more layers of loathing there.

Not that Porkpie (or Ronan or Stevie) are like this, but I've met Cockney Reds who thought Everton were based on the Wirral somewhere; we just don't register and probably haven't with any Liverpool fan from outside the area since the mid-'80s. That may change...

The historical shifting of rival teams and most hated has changed a lot duing the premiership era - with so many fans not living in or even coming from the cities of their teams many traditional rivalries really not being felt in the same way. Which raises interesting questions about constructed identity and how it holds true in some respects but not others (Manchester United fans at work that have nothing to say about Manchester City or Leeds but plenty to say about Chelsea)

In a way this already existed with teams with larger catchment areas..growing up in Burnley the main rivalry was with Blackburn of course. Out into the dales and there was a rivalry with Bradford City that really didn't exist in the same way in the town itself - where it was all about Blackburn hatred

The Premiership bandwagon exaggerating further still an already 10-15-20? year process in which the links between a citys team and its fanbase becoming more and more unconnected (increased geographical mobility a factor also)

Michael, you can't get away with using the term 'Cockney Reds' to describe Liverpool supporters

Its already interesting in sports the 'we' being used, the identification process with clubs/business that are far far divorced from the environment which they originally grew from...but that identification with the geographical element removed is fascinating

Sorry, you're right - bit of a lazy catch-all term that, Nasty, and about 15 years out of date. You can propose another one if you like. Home Kounties Kopites?

Guess London is too far away to qualify as Wooly?

Ha, yes - it's dead Woolly down here. Just like the rest of the UK is "Zone 7" to Londoners.

Oh yeah. I'm a complete and utter wool, but then to some reds on some forums, anyone not born within hearing distance of the last orders bell at the Albert is a wool......

I despise Man U, way more than Everton. I have never cared about Everton losing in a huge way, though the CL exit was sort of amusing, but there was a time when Man U's complete ineptitude in Europe was the only sustaining thing in football, eg a team that played Paul Parker vs Barcelona with Ronaldo for Barcelona that time when they lost heavily a decade ago or so.

United losing in Europe has been pretty fulfilling for years now.

Was Ronaldo really playing? That game was in 1994, so he would have been very young. I remember it was 4-0 and I remember Gary Walsh was in goal because of the foreigners rule but I can't remember who was playing for Barcelona. I'm pretty sure they had Stoichkov (sp?) and Romario.

Ronaldo had only just joined PSV when Man U lost 4-0 to Barca. Stoichkov scored two, Romario and Ferrer got the others.

I remember 90 Minutes pointing out that "Hristo Stoichkov and Romario" was an anagram of "O shock horror it is a Vimto"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ08QHezFjg

Manchester City 0

i hate the bandwagon hate from lol big club supporters whenever somebody else gets a crazy rich owner and starts to threaten. also Citeh have a high percentage of my fave PL players in the squad

ya i am ambivalent about them cuz i like mancini and silva and balotelli and i don't think their football is notably poorer than a lot of the shite produced by leading english teams in recent times

i'd guess they would get near the top of this poll now

Cornwall Reds be shook

CHELSEA

LOL Man City bottom of the poll. How times change.

reading upthread to discover i voted for bolton = i disown me

you could still remember City's brief spell in League 1 back then and the Shaun Goater era etc..

Southgate = nice guy, going nowhere

― Tom D., Wednesday, 12 December 2007 17:37 (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Wrong on both counts :(

Celtic fans were big on Rodgers & Hammerstein before all this Merseybeat nonsense :)

― onimo, Thursday, 13 December 2007 11:03 (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

Nah, Rodgers and Hart, 'tic fans are more discriminating

― Tom D., Thursday, 13 December 2007 11:03 (fifteen years ago) bookmarkflaglink

... in 2007 it was Richard and Lorenz, in 2023 it's Brendan and Joe, more's the pity

<3 onimo

they’re all loathsome

Tottenham