Are You Musical? The ILX Gays' Appletini Bar

My fag bumming didn't pass the committee then.

HAAA

i know, i was really trying to think of something but i don't think i'm ready for rolling thread titles yet.

thanks

btw appletinis are good

Surmounter couldn't have come up with anything gayer, Morbs.

I'm thinking now it shoulda been called "I Hate Men!" Next time.

We've never had a regular lesbian poster have we?

Jeanne Fury.

Am I the only person with a photo of themselves drinking an appletini

I hope so

We should name ourselves after characters in "Queer As Folk" -- just because!

Also, Toraneko, I think.

I like appletinis, but instead of apple I use scotch and instead of tini I use ice.

these threads are gay.

I guess I have to post now. I could do with an appletini, but would prefer Jag.

It's not like any single one of the other threads would've rivaled ILM's DMB thread for sheer heft.

- shot of rum (who does this?)

^^THIS WAS MY LIFE IN HIGH SCHOOL

so many regrets...

I have red wine - it is a French Syrah. Fag marks out of 10?

(I am also sitting on my sofa in a slanket on the internet on a Friday night. Fag marks out of 10?)

omg slanket

Syrah is classy unlike Merlot

Merlot is for skanks.

ILM's DMB thread

That better nor be what I think it is.

I'll be having some Stoli Vanil uncolas tnite, I bet.

white zin == stripper juice

i think i will be drinking GODFATHERS this evening

that's scotch & amaretto for those playing along at home

Ooooh that sounds good.

I think Surmounter and I will be getting totally inebriated on Whiskey to dull the pain of our (un)welcome visiting friend this evening.

Although have you ever tried a blue ramzi?

2 parts vodka
1 part oj
1 part cranberry.

I guess I deserve this for naming the thread tho I don't know/care about mixology.

omg blue ramzis are sooooo good

but johnny walker might beat it.

A simple Stoli and soda works for me.

my favorite drink is kinda complicated:

1 BEER
1 STOMACH

PUT BEER IN STOMACH, REPEAT RECIPE UNTIL SATISFIED

=P to taste

replace BEER with BOURBON or REALLY GOOD GIN, occasionally

What is a really good bourbon?

I bought a REALLY GOOD GIN recently. Hendricks. It's infused with cucumber, and you're supposed to garnish it with cucumber instead of lime. Refreshing.

someone was just telling me about hendricks.

btw i think it's caps month... i been feeling them a LOT too lately

wow. cukes? for reals?

That sounds so.... healthy. And maybe good to eat with sushi.

I am already regretting alcohol theme, shoulda gone w/ Cole Porter.

Who can identify origin of "Are you musical?" (no research)

^my answer is inexact and possibly wrong^

I logged into the ILE forum
thread and found three or four queers
talking together in queertalk.
I tried to be friendly but heard
myself talking to one in hiptalk.

WOW

my mom always jokingly called gays "musical"

"gayer than christmas" <--- another mom classic

ur mom sounds like a total hoot

Syrah is classy unlike Merlot LOL

Jesus, people, it took me like half an hour to catch up with all this shit. All the stuff I wanted to mention is now obsolete but I'll do it anyway

My aforementioned purchase of:
12" of Whitney Houston - "I'm Every Woman" House Remixes
12" of Bizarre, Inc. - "I'm Gonna Get You"
12" of Black Box - "Everybody, Everybody"
LP of Olivia Newton-John - "Olivia"

will forevermore be exponentially more gay than a Steel Magnolias DVD. Steel Magnolias is just girly; that shit is gay.

I guess the favorite porn stars didn't take off, either. I suppose I'll refrain for now...

Why aren't the gay NYCers FAPping soon? Why don't we arrange this.

I can't abide them even now and then.

That is manifestly not true.

Abide what? NYC gays? Appletinis? Steel Magnolias?

hendricks gin is AWESOME

ps drunk

good bourbon = knob creek, btw

ps drunk would make a really good bar name or something

ps hungover

hiya boys.

last night, instead of getting insanely drunk, i did a bit of the old white lines and danced around my friend's apartment to enigma for two hours. she just moved in, and there's no furniture. perfect friday, je pense.

i rly need to rebuy that enigma album.

no NYers wanna go Metropolitan tnite, do they? (I won't be online to find out). I shd be there 'round 12.

ENIGMA? Isn't that like '92? last heard last time I went to a NJ gaybar...

enigma in nj sounds disruptive.

not in '92, maybe

Abide what? NYC gays? Appletinis? Steel Magnolias?

Oh, no, I'm following up on Morbs's alternate thread title. It's the line after "I hate men" in the song of that name.

Oh. I don't know what any of this means.

I would like to have that Enigma album back as well. Think I own in on cassette still.

Funny story about how I came to know Enigma: I was into the Dead Milkmen in 10th grade, and at that time they were on a label called Enigma. I tried to order a collection of various tracks from other artists on the same label, but the label had gone belly-up, and the album was unavailable. I tried ordering the album from another company, and what I got was definitely not the sort of quasi-novelty punk that I was expecting. No sir.

i was at metropolitan on weds night (ie lesbian night), post-trivia

i spent all day watching berlin alexanderplatz so i'm too lethargic to go out. plus i went out last night and shit got WEIRD.

the guy that was the guitarist in the first punk band i was ever in lived across the street from the guy from the Dead Milkmean who died. it ws weird being over at his house and seeing all these pseudo-famous punk people going to his wake.

anyway... i am so drunk. gay friends and i had a talk tonight about leo(nardo dicaprio).

i say he went fatty, and not really, just for a celeb:

http://www.jaunted.com/files/4196/leo.jpg

http://i.treehugger.com/leoatthebeach.jpg

but really: so much crazy good when he was younger.

http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/leonardo%20dicaprio%20sienna%20miller.jpg

omg

http://www.islandconnections.com/images/dicaprio/dicaprio3.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/3880/leod4.jpg

"celeb fat" is still a level of body physique i can only dream of

nb i sat on my couch drinking beer and eating indian food and pretzels all day today. HELLO, FELLAS

http://www.cinemovies.fr/images/data/films/Pfilm520272474756.jpg

urgh.

Trying to watch Guy Maddin's silent-ballet Dracula reinterpretation; it's kind of boring me but it's almost done.

table, please get a tissue or napkin. we don't want the thread stained.

which one is that, stevie?

i know this was on the last thread but i turned "sissy boy slap party" off about three minutes in

agh

http://www.geocities.com/basketballcelebrities/dicaprio.jpg

if you don't like sissy boy slap party you ain't a real fag.

boy am i drunk.

just fyi, he was the only celebrity i obsessed over from a very young age. for obvous reasons.

i'm not a big maddin guy in general, i think. direct me to where i can turn in my badge, plz

This one: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0293113/

I saw Brand Upon the Brain! and enjoyed it much, and I like this one too, I just find it boring to watch. After five or ten minutes I feel like I've pretty much "gotten the point" and while I love the concept, aesthetic, etc; I just want it to be over so I can go do something else.

remember, i am drunk.

Does this mean that when I get drunk next I can pour a ton of Matthew Fox and Jason Statham pictures all over the place?

oh give me a break. you boys can't be that catty.

i wouldn't stop you from doing that regardless of your general level of inebriation

i was doing comparison photographs.

yeah, guy maddin rules but that dracula thing he did is a snooze. The ballet to silent film goth ratio is off (too much dancing).

the dracula thing is too too not good.

but.

sissy boy is so entertainingly gay and fun.

Agreed. It's funny, because at the library I checked it out along with Herzog's "Nosferatu" (as well as Ran, The Decalogue, and some Singaporean film called Be With Me) and I think my mom was kinda WTF?'d.

that's a helluva movie marathon

i own the decalogue.

kieslowski = woah.

the class i took on him was one of the best i've ever taken.

OMG let's talk about BUTT magazine. I fucking love it and wish I could afford to buy it. I think I'm going to just get BUTT Book one day.

I also wish I knew who this fellow was:
http://www.buttmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/cover-butt-18-kl.jpg

oh butt/

stevie you're BUTT HURT, but in a completely different way

there's a whole thread about BUTT! wherein i think i mentioned meeting the guys behind it recently and they were very nice. i would totally subscribe to fantastic man were it not so pricey.

okay, i am way to stupid right now.

i am going to watch this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dN-hsZdeq58

but the full version.

bless derek jarman's heart.

apologies and cheers all around.

also, don't you wish you were about to watch "sebastiane"?

Ah yes, there was a BUTT thread. And apparently you and I and Drew Daniel all posted on it. How quickly my memory escapes me!

table: yeah, actually

OK fine go to bed. I'll just sit here eating a french-bread pizza and read Love & Rockets some more.

i am making oatmeal and then jerkin and THEN going to bed.

so don't feel bad.

guys, i miss nick.

wow yung leo. i used to get so excited when her jerked off on the roof in basketball diaries

aww ya miss nick huh, that's cute.

i just saw that movie go on tv with katie holmes who looks like unbelievably cute in it. not to mention that ridic cute guy from sex and the city, the "20 something" guy. now i can't sleep.

Metropolitan 1$ pbrs and hotdog specials oy vey

WAHT when do they do that!

Maddin's Dracula is a blast!

I want to say it was very pleasant, but I'm the type that enjoys it for 20 or so minutes and then doesn't feel the need to see another hour of it.

Admittedly I'd never listen to Mahler in any other context.

Slim and/or 'fat' DiCaprio preferable to boringly buff, Nautilized Departed DiCaprio.

Yeah morbs.

Sorry about that last night, guys. Things happen.

Anyway, the Arthur Russell documentary is looking to be a real tear-jerker, as much about his relationships as his music.

http://www.arthurrussellmovie.com/pgs/highres.html

I am going to bawl my eyes out.

Back from the restaurant's Xmas party where I met the one tolerable fag in the last 10 minutes before I really had to leave. He was nice, seemed funny, and was cute. He works at our sister restaurant, so I will likely never see him again. Dumb.

Interestingly, my office Xmas party is in 9 days.

i wld shed the same number of tears watching an arthur russell doc as i would attending an office x-mas party four weeks after x-mas. although january does need more parties belatedly thrown and more tears shed than any other month of the year.

in another news: still a fag! i should hang out more on this thread instead of having str8 identity flashbacks related to a mormon upbringing and a dad telling me he should have been a masculinity anchor for me twenty years after the fact. HOLIDAY CHEER.

went to a weho 'cruise' bar tonight, eased into two gin and tonics, talked to a passerby from brazil, and comfortably resettled into being gay. if only the glass i just finished a bottle of chianti from didn't have the wad of dentyne i'd spat into it from like three weeks ago, i'd be reasonably content.

Welcome back!

you guys are the most boringest gays ever.

it's 5 am. shut it.

Jess should have a thread dedicated to his antics alone as an antidote for boring gays.

JessE

Does anyone know when Arthur Russell Documentary is coming out? I'm dying to see so many movies now. Thinking of going to Dublin next week if I can afford it for I'm Not There

{Leo) was the only celebrity i obsessed over from a very young age. for obvous reasons.

cuz you liked boys who looked like really pretty 14-year-old girls?

Leo was always too swollen for me – too much water or something.

1- leo definitely did not look like a pretty 14-year-old girl in many of his flicks. or here, for example:
http://www.paulgenesse.com/images/LeoB&W.jpg . i was more attracted to the boyishness of him than anything else, anyway.

2- xmas parties? it's almost MLKJ day, and your offices are still celebrating xmas?

3- jess, i certainly hope yr not dissing arthur russell.

4- t, i don't know when the release in the UK or the US is. the fact that it is premiering in Germany and then going to Greece kind of pisses me off, though. (a friend who helped work on the film says that a lot of drama was always happening, and that the dirctor's a bit of a prick).

3- jess, i certainly hope yr not dissing arthur russell.

Answer: ME?

2- xmas parties? it's almost MLKJ day, and your offices are still celebrating xmas?

Answer: Last night's holiday party was for the restaurant where I work part time. It's not too unusual in the service industry to have your holiday party after the madness of the holidays is over. My office get-together (set to happen AFTER MLKJ Day) was to have taken place before Xmas, but a hectic trial schedule plus weather, plus other nuttiness meant that it was delayed. We did have a conciliatory Xmas lunch however.

i (kinda sorta) know the guy who made the russell doc, but not enough so that i can make a character judgment either way. very much looking forward to it tho, this thread made me pull out world of echo in anticipation

strgn- the thing about your father sounds kind of awful. Also the situation with the gum and Chianti. I condole you.

Also, fuck a Mahler.

is anyone else really into lip gloss?

I like Pulp a lot.

(x-post) The song?

"razzmatazz" really takes the cake on that album

or god, "babies." i don't even know anymore.

"She's a Lady"!

OK, I'll cop to my #1 biggest guilty pleasure right now. Totally shallow, since I can't actually listen to a word he says, but this guy's YouTube video blogs are eye candy.

lip gloss the song? no no the thing, that you put on your lips

I am not – it reminds me of the days when I used to kiss girls.

http://b0.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/00415/01/28/415298210_m.jpg

Does it look like I'm into lip gloss?!

i flirted with it briefly in high school, and the evidence is on a discarded clarinet reed somewhere.

basically: no

hahahahaha eric

one night i put a lot of lip gloss on, smoked a cigarette in the house and just took pictures of myself. i know.

You look like Jimmy Somerville, Eric.

(That distorted camera phone pic of myself is still my favorite self-portrait. No photoshop necessary there.)

i use lip balm.

and yes, i moisturize.

i'm in the market for a new moisturizer. although i don't know if i should just stick with my biore oil-free thing.

the thing is, i have a few bottles of this amazing Lab Series for Men stuff, but i really don't want to get hooked too fast cuz i don't think i'll ever be able to afford it again (these were a gift)

I rrrrarely moisturize. I forget and when I do I feel gross. I only do it if I have windburn or obvious dry patches.

yes, it's rly a winter thing for me. or if i do in the spring i'll just put a dab. i generally don't need any more oiliness on my face but sometimes in the winter i neeeeed moisture. esp. if i'm gonna be wearing makeup cuz it needs moisture to look decent. otherwise ur concealer starts to flake. bad.

i'm greasy enough, thx

in the market for new haircut, but don't feel like spending $40 on what will likely only be a trim

go to my place on 5th ave she does a good men's cut

21 bucks

(5th ave slope that is)

i pay maybe $75 dollars / year on haircuts

it is now officially 16 months since i last had a haircut. i wish i had some sharp scissors, i just need to hack off about 4 inches, and i don't want to pay someone $70 to do it for me.

also i am letting my colour grow out because bf wants to see what my hair REALLY looks like.

so do i :-)

yea haircuts suck. i mean it's nice, i finally found someone who can cut my hair for a cheap price. but looking for that right balance is so annoying (good cut, good price). i mean sometimes even the expensive shits don't know how to cut my locks!!

I make my bf cut mine. I'm lucky he's able to do it--I can't stand it unless it's short, so I end up making him cut it once a week.

Err, not that it's that difficult--just a buzz cut basically.

my real colour is just a mousy brown. i like being a brunette.

i thought you had some auburn in there?? coulda sworn

nice lou that's so efficient

so am i really the only girly gay on this thread? the only lip glossin makeup totin freak?

what kind of ILX is this?

i used to dye it bright red, so when i started dyeing it dark brown it had a red tint.

you should post a pic of yourself wearing lip gloss.

When I was younger (18-23ish) I dabbled in makeup. I was also marginally goth, so that helped. Now I do not use makeup, except on the occasional Halloween drag costume.

sur, what's the name of the 5th ave place? will def. check it out

Rapunzel Rapunzel -- my girl is Rose @ 718 857 2855. she's great and i got a friend to go there and he wasn't disappointed at all. it's not fancy, but it's a cute cozy little salon.

lip gloss pic later =P

well okay she's not a girl, she's a woman but, yea

i've never actually requested a specific person at a salon before

"i desire only you, rose, to cut my hair and to rest of you, KEEP FAR AT BAY MY TRESSES ARE MUCH TOO VALUABLE FOR YOUR CRETINOUS HANDS TO TOUCH oh she's not in today, fair enough, you'll do"

hahaha i know, some salons like ask you when you call "and who would you like to see?"

when i was young i was like, who the fuck cares just give me a trim! but now i won't let the other dudes cut my hair. only rose!!

that's why i haven't had my hair cut in so long - my hairdresser moved to australia and i'm too scared to let anyone else near it ;_:

my dude anthony does a good job. and he has cool tattoos.

i'm not girly, sur, but am perhaps... i dunno, i moisturize (terribly dry skin in winter, moderate in summer), use lip balm all year-round, have an array of haircare products, have USED (never again) Nair for Men, and once in a while will put on a little eye-liner if i'm going to a fancy party.

but i don't really think that makes me girly. just 'metro.'

I go to a woman that my brother knew when he still lived here. (She was friends with his ex.) So we're kind of friendly now, and most of the reason I like going to her is that we have good conversations while she cuts my hair. I don't imagine that someone else wouldn't be able to do an equally good, if not better, job on my hair, but I'm too comfortable with her to leave.

:-) i love eyeliner. it's on full force today.

i mean i'm not totally girly when it comes to mannerisms (definitely not a flamer or whatever u wanna call it), i just like girly things. a lot.

good conversations are important. whenever i go to my place i feel like a scene out of roseanne season 2 when she worked at that hairdressers.

the chattiest i've ever been with a hairdresser was a super-gay and very friendly puerto rican dude on 9th st. he was telling me a story about a good deal he got on a flight which at one point involved him faxing his brother some travel info or other, but his thick accent made it sound like he said "so then i FUCKS my brother..." i think i jumped in my chair a little when he said that because i wasn't clear what he meant at first.

hahahahaha

well at this rapunuzel place, there's a super gay puerto-rican-ish dude who's ALWAYS telling us his tales of brooklyn hitting on him

it's entertaining

man, when did the gay thread get so sissy?

I'm quietly waiting for things to sort themselves.

not until you showed up, curtis

ZING!

hi curtis!!!

sup 'mounter!

i like that.

I tell you something - It used to be I wanted a boyfriend b/c I was lonely. Now I have a new reason: my friends are all married or partnered. I feel like a stupid 3rd or 5th or 7th wheel.

aww jess i'm sure you make a great 3rd wheel :-) 3rd wheels never give themselves enough credit n e way. im ean sometimes you just need 3 wheels

It's weird--I was very OK w/ being a 3rd wheel over the years, but it seems like now my peer group is growing up and it's not as cool as it was before.

Surmounter at the Disco!

It used to be I wanted a boyfriend b/c I was lonely. Now I have a new reason: my friends are all married or partnered

I feel the isolation at family gatherings more than with friends, who value my wit, education, and looks. While they've been breeding I've been taking care of all three.

http://ratlover.punt.nl/upload/RyanRoss.jpg

I love it when people use "breeding" disdainfully on the gay threads!

It's fairly well known that heteros don't have sex for pleasure.

your mom and I have sex for pleasure.

http://us.ent1.yimg.com/images.launch.yahoo.com/000/010/424/10424682.jpg

xp Not as much as me and your dad.

*stands up and applauds loudly*

I knew that would happen!!

My dad learned it from your brother. (xpost)

oh god.

http://wldimages.findlaw.com/images/2417845/1254709_1.jpg

http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3045/donkey3wg.jpg

3xpost my brother's 13 you fucking creep.

(sry the Breeders are my fav so i have to post pix whenever i can)

do you think Kim Deal wears a lot of lip gloss?

3xpost my brother's 13 you fucking creep.

Which is why my dad stopped when he found out.

i am listening to this new Hercules & Love Affair track with Antony (yeah him and his Johnsons) on vocals, and this is hands-down what he should have been doing the whole time. really dramatic disco diva stylings. mmm...

WOW must check that out, it's in shops now?

that antony track is growing on me

huh. I hate Antony but maybe his voice would work better in a more disco-y context. Like Bronski Beat or something.

i thought it was way too campy for my taste but it's kinda making more sense to me now (not that campy antony dones't make sense i just thought it was a little much)

it's possible. I can only put up with so much Somerville-Sylvester falsetto.

i will now listen to it while laying on my hammock

i can hear some mother verbally abusing her young child who apparently just broke one of his toys

lol ummm yes i do think kim deal -- well wait, no, kelley has prolly worn more lip gloss than kim's

antony sounds like a lamb getting its balls cut off, if a lamb has balls.

^ OTM

Just listened to the Hercules and Love Affair track and I found it kind of irritating, honestly. And I don't mind Antony usually! Love "Hope There's Someone" and Bjork's "The Dull Flame of Desire." But of the three Hercules tracks I've now heard, I still like "Athene" best.

"athene" is fantastic

ooh i have to put that on -- volta. it's time

i like the 2nd antony album ok, "hope there's someone" especially so. gets a bit much at times and of course, bugbear rufus w. is on it, but i am excited at the prospect of him casting off the indie torch song robes in favor of becoming nu-somerville

i am coming down with a cold or something. no kissing for the duration. :(

If it helps, Elmo, the cold virus is hard to spread orally - it's through the nose that causes most infections.

okay, i really like the new Hercules track. i guess that the Frankie Knuckles remix has kinda captured my heart more-- less disco, more groovy Chicago house.

that and i love antony's voice. especially in this context.

oh and harlot, album is coming out March 8th. a few singles from the album available all over. i got it sent by some promotions guy.

listening to hercules/antony track right now, awesome!

who'd win in a fight to the death: antony or rufus?

antony in a second. though rufus would prolly turn up the dirty

yeah he would.

Still waiting on lip gloss.

did you place a delivery order?

oooh lip gloss okay here's a lip gloss:

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/rrawn/xmas07.jpg

xmas nite -- omgosh, i am baring my drunken-lip-gloss-ogling face to the world! i think i see my reflection in the gloss there...

of course, i took these on ryan's computer so he woke up to like 20 pix of my drunk trying to be sexy face on his laptop...

Hmm ... well the cigarette helps sell it, I'll admit.

Me? I think I need a big scar across my cheek.

oooh, i coulda worked with that

it's poppin'

What I really need is a line of staples across my cheek.

dick tracy villain?

I still remember Damon Wayans in the "Men on Film" skit: "Flattop had a flat top. Pruneface looked like a little prune. But how come I didn't get to see Dick?"

xxxpost no, elmo, no.

lol, i got that too and cringed.

all my friends say it's too cold to walk from the bar (two blocks away) to my house to watch FOXES.

and then i sent them totally bitchy text messages.

and now i am stuck in my house.

i'm stuck at home too. Maybe i'll tackle Dekalog tonight.

oh the first one always kills me.

Copypasta'd from fourfour (thanks impudent) because I thought it was very very good and worth reading. One of the better things I've read in recent months.

Just because I'm a fag, it doesn't mean I'm a bitch

This week I received an email from an editor at a publication that's been noted for its homophobia. Here's most of it with grammar intact:

I need a gay male (just wrote gale!) freelancer to do a story...about this course they're teaching at the university of michigan, how to be gay. (one of the staffers saw it on perez hilton; http://www.umich.edu/news/index.html?BG/317descr) wondered if you could do something like, "I did think that all it took to be gay was sleeping w/men, but turns out I was wrong." that kind of thing. then talk to the prof, talk to other gay men -- maybe someone like carson kressley (he's got a new show so I'm sure he'd give you a quote). that kind of thing. find out what exactly it takes to be gay. should be funny. haha. yeah, a lot of you being funny.

I'd need 800 words tomorrow at noon. [Payment redacted]. you in?

I should say up front that by revealing this, I am not slyly bragging: a friend of a co-worker of this editor suggested me for the job simply because I'm a homosexual who can (probably) string a sentence or two together. It wasn't personal at all. And that, I came to realize, was the problem.

I didn't even read the email too closely before turning it down: I received this around 3:30 p.m. and that turnaround time was just absurd. First of all, I think starting a work arrangement off by inadvertently suggesting that you'd drop anything, including your spine, to take a job is a way to announce yourself as a bitch to be taken advantage of. For any future work that should come your way from this employer, you will need to assume the position and bend over. But even more than that, the proposed task was impossible anyway. I'm not privy to the homo hotline in which Professor David Halperin and Carson Kressley are perpetually hanging on, waiting to comment on whatever comes their way. Or maybe it's just that I'm just not cool like Carson Kressley.

So, whatever, it was a no-brainer: physical impossibility meant a quick reply of, "Thanks for the consideration, but I will not be able to turn this around by the deadline you gave." And that was that. Except, it wasn't. After I sent the email, I thought about the gig some more and I started to get really offended. Not as a person, not even as a gay person, but as a gay person who prides himself on being...well, not Carson Kressley. It seems to me that this editor could have written the story herself: clearly, she knew exactly what she wanted, right down to the writer's point of view. My ideas, at the very least, were unnecessary. What if, for example, I didn't think that all there was to being gay was sleeping with men? What if I already had considered homosexuality and its implications in a non-bedroom context? Most importantly, what if the very idea of spelling out "exactly" what it takes to be gay was inherently offensive to me? (For the record, to answer my own questions, I didn't, I had, and it is.) Since the idea was so clearly laid out, I don't think that she was calling on a gay man for an insider's perspective, per se. I think it more has to do with finding someone that could pigeon-hole his brothers on behalf of a publication and then take all responsibility away from said publication because: HA! He can't be homophobic; he's gay! "Pansy" is but one letter away from "patsy," and that's the kind of bitch I'm especially not trying to be.

I'm not trying to say that this person who contacted me is hateful -- I don't think she is, actually. Overly familiar? Yes. (I mean, "I need a gay male"? Quota much?) Hateful? Doubtful. What she was going for was a haha humorous thing. I think she wanted something that's probably more lighthearted than I'd be inclined to deliver on this subject. In giving her the benefit of the doubt, I'd like to assume that the quota thing is much like when people like Kathy Griffin refer to their gay friends as "their gays," as though their sexuality makes them emotionally interchangeable. It's that myopic, old-person, but not bad-natured way of thinking. It's annoying (I tell Tracie all the time that the minute I become a quota fulfillment to her is the minute we stop speaking), but at least it's not a condemnation to hell. That's something, right?

See, the more I think about it, the more proud I am to have turned down that piece. The editor didn't want a gay man but a gay, a human handbag that would do what she wanted (much like the way Kathy Griffin would call on her gays for fashion advice or to accompany her to see Céline Dion), including the legwork to support her idea. I may be taking the proposed gig and/or myself too seriously here, but representation is such a vital thing, I think, and that's not the way I want to represent myself. If you're distilling your very being down to just sexuality, you're dehumanizing yourself before anyone truly hateful can get to you. It's a defense mechanism, maybe, but it's so so harmful.

And that people do it in masses (per the still very one-note portrayal of gays in the media, for example) is all the more abhorrent. The more uniform we are, the easier we are to dehumanize, the easier we are to hate. (And I'm not trying to persecute the persecuted, but emphasize the importance of proactivity.) This is why something like Dumbledore's outing was, as beautifully described by Mark Harris, sly and brilliant activism -- he'd long been humanized before his sexuality was even considered. And it's why someone like William Sledd is capable of single-handedly redefining the term "gay disease." When your angle, your sole or even main selling point is that you're gay, you are a minstrel show with terrible music (probably trance). You are hazardous and you suck. It's that simple.

(Full disclosure: Bravo's frequent rewarding of gay minstrelsy, including giving Sledd his own reality show, had at least 50 percent to do with my disinterest in covering this season of Project Runway. Sorry, I no longer feel comfortable spending hours and hours a week supporting a network that, despite its pretensions, doesn't support my humanity. Any visibility is not good visibility.)

(Full disclosure No. 2: I'm not hating on anyone's mannerisms here -- William Sledd sucks not because he is effeminate, but because he has nothing, not even a morsel of cleverness, to offer beyond his sexuality. On the other hand, I'm all for an independent thinker like Chris Crocker busting in and getting a platform to share his bonkers world view. I wish he weren't as taken by his own fame as he currently seems to be, but besides that blip, I think Chris Crocker is actually extremely good for society because he is plainly and simply, an articulate freak. We need as many of them as we can get.)

And don't get me wrong: my sexuality informs so so much about me and, especially, what I do. I feel nothing less than quintessentially gay all of the time (and especially when I use the word "quintessentially"). But really, if there's not anything more to me than stereotypes and predictability, I might as well quit communicating now. Obviously, since I haven't, I have faith that I have at least a little more than bitchiness and girl-worship to offer. And that's the thing about the How To Be Gay class that I think may miss the point (although I obviously haven't taken it, and I do think that despite some semantic problems, it's well-intentioned). The gay experience is actually so splintered that about the only across-the-board common factor we share is the option of picking up whatever splinter we want, in terms of interest and behavior. From a taste standpoint (which is clearly the standpoint I'm most concerned with always), we're allowed to like whatever we want to like, without really getting bogged down by the stigmas that straight men might be more inclined to care about. We can watch football and coo over Mariah. We can drink beer and have a side of no-fat Cool Whip. Sure, some gay guys are concerned with being as masculine as possible (the conceptual paradox of hyper-masculinity be damned), but I think that largely, we don't have to worry about being persecuted for our interests because we're already persecuted. We've already been beat up for wearing high heels, whether they're actually in our closet or not, you know? There's a whole world of possibility that we have the unique situation of being privy to. It seems to me that to not take advantage of that, to merely stay within what is considered typical behavior and interests, to uphold this queer status quo, is to revoke your cultural birthright as a gay male.

What exactly does it take to be gay? It depends on the person, and how willing he is to actually be one.

I AM LISTENING TO METAL AND THINKING ABOUT KILLING EVERYONE.

that is not very gay.

it might be high school gay

oh you don't get joeks.

i also don't, so it is okay.

i used up all my daily smarts quotient posting on teh coffee thread.

In other news, this ex-crush [whose pursuit was disastrously/drunkenly/bilingually recounted in the previous thread] is really sort of frustrating me. more on this later when others are awake.

is this the bi guy?

no he's the one that obviously liked me back but actually, in fact, did not.

ok so somewhat off topic, but after having see Decalogue One...

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I totally saw it coming from the moment he started talking about the futility of Kermit/Piggy; I mean, how could you not? And once he did the calculations for the ice, you knew exactly how it would happen. So once it did, I'd already prepared myself enough to not really get emotional over it, although it was quite sad. I wish I'd been moved by it more.

*******END DECALOGUE 1 SPOILER WARNING**********

Eric really does not look that much like an "Oz" convict in RL.

the new Magnetic Fields album is out today.

(EH, you would be fun to see in "skag drag," tho)

stevie d, leaving ya hanging

so how many here would consider themselves "sports fans", out of curiosity? as in, actively follows a sport, goes to games, pays attention to stats, etc., rather than just occasionally watching a game on tv now and then or fancying the random athlete?* curious because every year i tell myself "i will start following sports this year HONEST" and then it never pans out for myriad (and probably mostly silly) reasons. and also because i haven't met very many gay sports fans (i'm drawing from an admittedly limited sample here, to be frank) and want to know why this is the case

*not that you can't do this AND enjoy sports for other reasons

I can't really answer that question, can I. Still, one of the most bizarre moments of the last few years was when my girlfriend's mother said "Mark's the biggest jock of all your boyfriends, isn't he?" Jock? Moi?

I am a baseball lunatic (I have tix to 7 Mets games next summer already), but confine myself to one sport. I can't justify the investment of time with the others.

I post occasionally on a gay sportsfan BB, but it's usu annoying.

I'm most interested in baseball, but nowhere near enough to count myself as a fan or anything.

tennis lover here. i'm about to start playing again which is good cuz i'm sadly out of shape. like really sadly.

i don't follow sports at all. i used to follow soccer, but that sort of died after i left high school.

i am into fitness though. i do 40 minutes of stretches, leg-lifts, etc, every day.

and i at least plan on getting back into the racquetball biz soon. i always go back to the courts and play for a few weeks, then get busy and stop. luckily, though, it only takes a match or two to get me back on my game.

wow nice i wish i had the gumption to do stuff like that every day

yeah it usually only takes me a few tennis matches too, but i've been so busy that i really think this time is going to a few months... i'm ready though, i need to play, like i have an intense throbbing craving.

i played football and wrestled in highschool. i usually go to a couple patriots games per season, as my pop has season tix. no interest in playing recreationally, tho. wrestling was fun (um, yes) but i was pretty bad at it, truth be told.

but i have recently purchased some yoga DVDs (did i mention this already?) which i plan to start using as soon as I get over this goddamn cold.

my own sports record: exactly 1 day of soccer in elementary school (i was really bad at the scrimmage and basically cried all the way home), about four years of gymnastics, also in elementary school (i can still do a front handspring but i'm so out of shape that the last time i did it i saw dots in front of my face for awhile), considering trying out for the track team but not actually doing it in high school (i probably would've been alright)

as far as being a sports fan goes, i have trouble surmounting (!) the massive wall of stats, for one thing (esp. when i'm not sure what most stats actually signify), and cherrypicking which teams to follow at this point in my life feels like late-to-the-game bandwagon-jumping. or, uh, something. (re: baseball, i don't have a favorite team, except i have this sort of (ir)rational hatred of the yankees, poss. due to it being my family's favorite team, middle child syndrome, etc)

i'm not sure what most stats actually signify

Neither are most fans or sportswriters! (or they're sure and incorrect)

Nothing is ever irrational about hatred of the Yankees.

I used to care a bit about gaelic football, but that died.

a friend of mine takes trapeze lessons, i've been meaning to ask her if i can tag along one day because i imagine it would be incredibly fun and a good workout to boot

trapeze lessons? i want those.

=P

I'm on my school's croquet team; we're doing very well this year and might be headed to a national championship!

As for crushboy drama, I talk to him less both online and in person, and so he's now closer to a normal friend than someone I'm crushing on. However, he gets really angry at stupid little things [manic depressive] and it's quite frustrating because he won't acknowledge any of it or apologize later, and I'm afraid if I say like "yo, chill out" or even try to mention the his MD head-on he'll freak out or blow up.

Example: I sent him the fourfour article above and he thought it was total navel-gazing, and I asked him how? and he said "i'm not getting forced into a debate over some stupid blog post that i dont give two shits about" and after I told him I wasn't forcing him into a debate, but simply didn't understand where he was coming from, and he was all "i dont see why everything has to be a fucking parliamentary debate. we have two different perspectives. let it go." (which I already had at that point).

This is just one example of maaaany where I've just been like "uhhhhhh..." and just sort of stopped talking to him. It's really frustrating; should I confront him about it? I feel like the obvious answer to this is "yes" but just want affirmation.

also I don't actually play croquet

I have become a dedicated wall climber.

Oh, and Stevie, your friend is mental. Sever ties.

^cosign^

I have exercised relgiously for about a year and a half now, but that's nothing to do with athletics and everything to do with overcoming a really horrible drug addiction (which I'm happy to say is now history).

I have zero interest in sports. That's likely because, growing up, I felt pressured into playing them despite hating any form of competition. I wrestled and played baseball from 3rd to 8th grade and ran cross-country in high school.

I'm not sure I can think of anything more boring than watching a baseball or football game on TV.

thirded

also, rock climbing is great fun and exercise, even if i have difficulty gripping objects in my hand for several hours afterward

or at least put your foot down and don't take any crap, steve

i can only get behind televised football in the form of friday night lights

i dunno televised football excites me sometimes, and the ritual of it is kind of fascinating

i love watching the super bowl but the actual game is the least of the reasons why

I'm too old to bother over the fits of fags who won't even bother to maintain a veneer of civility, Stevie, so fuck that shit.

yes i see ur point, harlot, i mean i don't really watch for the game. but if i got to the point where i did watch for the game, that would be fun

I treat the Superbowl like the Oscars, except in the former the guys on my side of the screen are cuter.

so you watch football for the beefcake, y/n?

for the fans, apparently.

(You don't even get a decent look at football players... who not only are wearing all that padding, but mostly get a pass for being 'roided-up freaks that baseball players don't!)

super bowl for me = wings, nachos, beerz, bro'ing out

oh. well, i do.

i like big butts. i cannot lie.

xpost

I think '85 was the last Super Bowl I watched/partied for. There is no poetry in football...

"Baseball is what we were. Football is what we have become." - Mary McGrory

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I totally saw it coming from the moment he started talking about the futility of Kermit/Piggy; I mean, how could you not?

Well sure. I think what got me was the time between when you KNEW what had happened, had ALREADY happened, but the father was going on about his day. So sad.

(x-post)

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OK, not really, I've just always wanted to use that one.

Before when i crushed it was cute to ignore the fact we had virtually nothing in common since we made each other laugh blah blah blah. I feel like an enormous dick saying this but it keeps ringing true: it seems like every time I meet someone who seems fun and relatively normal and should have a bunch of friends but actually has little/none, when I get to know the person, I find that there is, in fact, a reason for this (i.e. manic depression paired with complete unapologetic denial).

Is that wrong?

And i'm not talking about gay potentials. I had one friend who I've come to learn is alarmingly naive and racially ignorant (thought pot and weed were the same thing until last year, uses "chink" because it sounds cute, refused to drink dining hall water because someone told her it was unfiltered from the local river, narrow-minded and doesn't listen when you repeat something seven times, thinks all asians/blacks/indians are the same, etc.) and another I have learned can be very patronizing/condescending, gets herself into ridiculous situations that could have been avoided in tons of ways, acts authoritative when she actually knows little about a subject, etc.

Of course, all of these things aren't learned until I've been friends with the person for quite some time (months, even a year) and then I'm like "ohhhh... THAT'S why". Now I've become wary/jaded but I feel like it's wrong, but then again...

I know, I have a couple friends who say slightly racist things sometimes and I'm never really strong enough to say anything beyond the fact that what they are saying is blatantly untrue.

wait wait waitaminit... are you telling me that pot and weed are different things? u crazy.

I wish I'd had the balls to be a bad wrestler, elmo.

Oh she doesn't know she's racist. I've told her and she's like "No, I'm not", but then things like--this one time a friend of ours (white) was wearing a RocaWear hoodie (because it was a really cool design) and she says "Isn't that for.... a certain kind of people?"

*crickets chirp*

no no no I meant pot and cigarettes

She thought pot/weed WAS cigarettes

Ugh, life stopping at the moment. Can't get out of fug and do something. List of books added to reading list is alarmingly long. ILM's refusal to talk about any music that came after 1992 means I never hear any new music anymore. For some reason we have a television now and I spent almost three hours watching it last night. I don't have any money, my overdraft is resolutely hovering around 400, I'm supposed to be going to Amsterdam in two weeks but I have no money or plans beyond flights. I want to watch Marie Antoinette again tonight but it has been lent to someone else. I'm bored.

I think it might be a stress hangover. I spent the last week freaking out about my assessments which are currently happening. I want to read that Tacita Dean book in the library.

I'm sick of casual polish people racism. Some poor guy got lit on fire walking home a couple nights near my house.

Oh, just read that back, I meant racism against Polish people, or the weird thing whereby all eastern europeans = Polish in this country.

Time for some Sake I think. I'm not in a good mood.

*hug*

The Rolling threads I've found have been good for new music, and brooklynvegan.com is nice too. Pitchfork really isn't as bad as everyone makes it out to be, either.

If it makes you feel any better, 4/5ths of this thread seems to have a crush on you.

i'm sorry, IKR, that you don't feel so hot ; (

i don't either. i've been in a big funk. such is life. racism is dumb.

http://scripts.ringsworld.com/guestbooks/vanilla-v1/guestbook/images/smilies/icon-redface.gif

...thanks

(a hug is all it takes sometimes :-\ )

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5107/brownbearc09092004jz3f4hq9.jpg

Woot!

aww cute ;)

get it? aren't I cheeky?

It's cubs hugging?!

http://www.theaspectratio.net/tonyleung.jpg

it's a BEAR HUG har har har

i am also in need of hugs.

apparently i pissed off two of my friends enough that they don't want to see me for a while.

admittedly, i was being a drunken prick when i pissed them off. i understand why they're hurt.

but i feel ashamed, wretched and very alone. i'm starting to think it might not be a good idea to live in this town until may after all. the only thing keeping me going on is the thought that nick is coming back in two weeks.

urgh.

::hugs, table:: you're not alone - you have teh gay ilxors and pseudo-gays!

Pseudo-gays bring huuuugs!

It's only living with a girl who doesn't put up with me being bullying or aggressive that I've (mostly) stopped losing my temper and saying dumb, mean things, especially when drunk. And it took me 30 years to get to that point. Bill and Ted put it best, really.

XOXO to all my boys in despair. tis winter, when sorrow visits us like the late snows, and builds a nest in our humble abodes. fear not, for sun is on the horizon, and smiles are in your hearts.

BLECH

u HAVE to watch this -- now this might really cheer you guyz up. it's too good http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKsoXHYICqU

omg guys i just went OFF on a customer. he was SO RUDE. and it was one of those things where i knew he had been really rude to my intern a few weeks ago, so i was like doubly pissed. adrenaline.

just how rude was he?

Hi IKR--I have been where you are (within the limits of the extent to which one person can ever know the feelings of another person, and considering that I'm going on a couple sentences*)--I've pissed off my only 2 friends in the world, or gotten drunk and insecure and hurt-before-I-got-hurt. It turns out OK.

*sorry--I've been reading too much fucking legal language lately

SO FUCKING RUDE.

get this

he MOCKED me on the phone. he MOCKED my words and voice. omg i was so rude right back it was really entertaining i wish u all could have witnessed. i don't like being fussed with

What kind of customer? I forget what you do.

The RMZ ain't nothin to fuss with.

In case you missed:

Ethel Merman, born 100 years ago

hahaha....

i do ticketing/fundraising in nonprofit arts

www.bam.org

hot ticket right now is The National, some hip band

and then there's Joanna Newsom in Feb

my boss was really good about this b/c this customer has been very problematic in the past. we're putting together a NOTE on his account to everyone knows how much of an ass he is.

attn nyc queers: i'll be visiting with my boyfriend the last week of february. it's his birthday on the 26th so i want to plan something nice & romantic, maybe surprise him with a spa visit or something? i need ideas.

ooo i'll brainstorm

OMG ramz that spa "under the whitestone bridge" in all those public access commercials!

hahahahahahahahahahaha INSPA or something

frigging hilarious

youtube it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU_r1r5gPq8

this one doesn't have the funny woman's voice though, but u get the gist

do I work in the only office where YouTube is banned?

can you view youtube videos embedded in other sites?

I allegedly am not allowed to run any video or audio.

omg audio wow

You're probably much better off

Youtube can be such a black hole for your time

When I was anticipating Blackout, I wasted so many hours trying to watch clips of alledged new britney songs

lol, ikr. i just imagine you sitting at the computer, fiddling with your hands and sort of mumbling, 'goddamit, i just want to see BRITNEY'.

i did the same thing, then gave up. then nick made me watch all of them one day while we were distracting each other in the library.

and btw-- things shall be okay with the friends, it seems. i just need to show that i'm not a negative prick again. in other words, i need to bring the love, which shouldn't be too hard.

also i got 'Corydon' by Andre Gide out of the library today. i do not know whether i will like it or will fling it across the room when he starts in on the whole loving young boys thing.

oh, and all should read 'A Lover's Discrourse: Fragments' by Roland Barthes. it just might be one of the best books on subject i've ever read.

Corydon should be required reading for Tom DeLay and Larry Craig.

Four Songs by Arthur Russell is so unbelievably pointless, its like, "oh, here are some quite boring versions of really good songs"

One hilarious moment was when I got impatient waiting for one Britney video to load and when I refreshed the page the video had been taken down!

i want to read barthes' 'the pleasure of the text'; i used this quote in an essay i wrote recently:
is not the most erotic portion of a body where the garment gapes? [...] it is intermittence [...] which is erotic: the intermittence of skin flashing between two articles of clothing, [...] between two edges [...]; it is this flash itself which seduces.

i want to read barthes

OK stop right there, something is wrong.

We had to read Barthes for a Music and Culture class freshman year, and he was going on and on about the "pheno-song" and the "geno-song" and I read the damn thing a dozen times (and showed it to a dozen friends) and none of us could even begin to figure out what he was going on about.

Camera Lucida is unbelievable. I would like to read A Lover's Discourse. While we're being very high brow, I just saw Persona for the first time and am pretty floored. There are a couple of things which are a bit sixties avant cinema dated now, but about ninety percent of it is chilling.

Mythologies is pretty good sofar, but not really in the same league for this reader.

ikr- That Pitchfork review of Four Songs by Arthur Russell couldn't be more off-putting. And then there's this:

While Four Songs lacks a bit of the experimental spirit found across Russell's work, for that same reason it should serve as an excellent introduction to new Russell initiates, some of whom might've been initially turned off by the alien tone koans of 1986's spellbinding World of Echo or the dated drum programming and synths of much of Calling Out of Context.

WAHT?!

????????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

God.

What if he was one of us?

Just an appletini-quaffing fag like one of us?

What if God was one of us?

just a SLAVE like one of us...

I'm so confused by this thread right now.

I'm so glad Joan Osbourne's time in the spotlight is over.

So, the contestants for season 10 of ANTM have been announced, and for those who followed last season, you'll be glad to know they've selected Morvita!!

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This one looks like Grace Jones. I think we know where MY vote's going this cycle!

erm i mean
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e254/trance_awake/90296f1f.jpg

she's so pretty!

i'm going to the dentist tomorrow. and i'm in a really bad mood because i know i'm going to need a lot done. :-( i want to keep my teeth.

keeping teeth = one of the few things worth the expense, with or without insurance.

i know it's so fucking true and annoying. this needs to be drilled into kids' heads in school or something. keep your fucking teeth.

They played that Joan Osbourne song in the pizza shop today. Well, they started to. Then the staff was all like "wtf" and clicked "next" on the iPod. Then someone said "hey I like that song!" and the cashier, a little biker dyker, looked up and said "who said that" like she was going to shiv her coworker. But she she realized it was a (vaguely cute, but in a straight and boring way) customer (a lady), she let it go with a smile.

hahahahaha

The customer said "She used to be cool", but we were unconvinced.

a guy who graduated from high school about 20 years before me wrote all of the songs on that Joan Osborne album. incidentally, he also wrote, "And We Danced," which i haven't heard in years for reasons that are actually kind of confusing to me-- such a greatly dumb pop-rock song. his band was called "The Hooters."
lol.

also, Stevie, that is way too prompt a dismissal of Barthes. he wrote so many great books and quite a few stinkers. Mythologies, Pleasures of the Text and A Lover's Discourse are all really great.

MY high school, sorry bout that.

and yeah, that review of Arthur Russell is rather confounding. i mean, if anyone didn't like WOE or COOC, then they'd probably be turned on by Springfield, which has 'Springfield' AND a DFA remix on it. so fuck em, reviewer doesn't know what is going on.

being a songwriter would be such a tease in terms of fame.

Assuming, you know, that fame is something even moderately desirable.

right. well i wholeheartedly desire it, myself. success.

i mean, this guy played at the Berlin Wall Concert in 1990. he was quite insanely famous at one point.

also, about Corydon-- an article i read recently in the Gay & Lesbian Review essentially posits the same thing, albeit in a different way, and not relating to pederasty.

what it argued was that any sort of natural, biological root to homosexuality doesn't really matter, and in fact is kind of frightening-- imagine a world where people can screen their children for the gay gene?

but it goes on to say that really matters is just asserting homosexuality's normality despite any biology that might be behind it.

that's the laymen's explanation, obviously.

i just updated my firmware. it was cool.

I argued that. Who cares whether homosexuality has any biological basis? It's OK because people should be free to do what they want, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone, etc.

Also, fame is not a metric of success, unless perhaps you are in the business of being famous.

Oh, wait, "what it argued", not "who was it that argued". I had a long day, sorry.

you're right, it isn't. but they can overlap, obviously. i guess in terms of music, it's sometimes hard to separate the two notions.

(fame and success)

Yes. Well, it all depends on what your goals are. And you get to set those goals. Whether you're doing music or anything else. Because this is America, and that is what we do here.

setting goals is different from being able to acheive them, though.

but you're right, goals are important.

I'm sure ANTM must be a really gay acronym, right?

You guys have heard the Prince cover of "One of Us," right?

America's Next Top Model.

REALLY gay acronym.

They are shooting Make Me a Supermodel in my building today.

Too bad that show sucks.

yeah, nowhere near what i wanted it to be.

i will admit my undying love for Project Runway. it's the only reality show i can stomach, and mostly because i know enough people who design clothes to know how accurate its 'portrayal' of designers' insanity is.

that said, i hope Christian wins. though i hate him and his awful hair, he's the youngest and has the most sense of what is currently good-looking in his designs. that and his proud bitchiness is just too funny.

http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/071001/christian_l.jpg

and cas, of course you're right about fame, but i've met the Hooters guy, and he considers himself very successful even now, playing small venues around the northeast and collecting shitloads of royalties for the rest of his life.

You guys have heard the Prince cover of "One of Us," right?

Actually, he wrote the song for Joan Osbourne like he did with Sinead O'Connor for "Nothing Compares 2 U". Not that it's one of his brighter moments ("Nobody callin' on the phone/'cept for the Pope maybe in Rome" Blech!)

Yeah, Prince, get your mind right: the Pope is in the Vatican City! Completely. Separate. Country.

Well, right, that's what I was saying. That sounds like a good amount of success to me.

"Nobody ringin', what a pity/'Cept for the pope in da Vatican City"?

generalmills- Haha, I just meant that the lyrics (and that line in particular) are cringe-worthy.

Yes, Lou, I agree. Wholeheartedly.

"Just got an email for a date/From the king of the papal state"

lols

"Cruising Manhunt and someone sent a wink/Turns out the Pope is really just a twink"

"Pope Skyylar the FIERCE"

no lou, OOU was "One of Us" was written by Eric Bazilian (of The Hooters), see above (and slightly rewritten by His Glyphness)

Woops! Duh--I missed that. I thought I should double-check that before I posted...

i don't blame you entirely lou-- assuming Prince wrote something and then gave it to someone else is a sound assumption, most of the time.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/surprise-buttsecks.jpg

Meow.

hi guyz. i just freaked out on ryan and now i'm unleashing emotional beasts on my friend laura. but i thought i'd take a break from my feeling-packed day to let you know that i think you're all very sweet :-) that's it

and i will say it again: christian's last dress was the most beautiful thing i've seen like in the past 8 months.

wait the one he made for the highschooler? shit was terrible.

nb i have seen exactly one episode that show, when i stayed at my sister's house. she looooooooves the gays, let me tell you.

NOOOOOOOO

i have to find the picture

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g192/rrawn/christian.jpg

not even a good picture! damn.

(what was his prom dress? i forget)

Watching a documentary about gay sex in the 70s (in NYC) and I remembered something interesting: once I was in the backroom of a bar in Chicago and a guy cruised me. He was tweaking and he was into at least a couple different consuming fluids from my body. I turned him down and he handed me a glossy calling card with his name, home address and phone number, and a couple descriptors--something like "PIG BOTTOM PISS DRINKER."

He had cards printed!

his prom dress was this poofy satin lace thing. not a good look

i think it's funny that they are obviously trying to portray him as the bitchy asshole except he's the most likable one!!

Watching a documentary about gay sex in the 70s (in NYC)

I saw that in the theater and was the youngest person there by about 20 years (and the only woman)

Just finished. It was good. I need to read up on Stonewall and on the time when AIDS began. And see more documentaries, I guess.

On State St. on Halloween, my friend was handed a business card that said "$20. Any hole. Any time."

Really. Was it printed to say that? From a man? Part of a costume?

I want to go out, but I'm tired and I don't want to go out alone. Plus it's 13 degrees and windy.

What I found most remarkable about that guy's card is that it had his home address including apartment number.

mid-50s here lol. i want to go out but i'm socially retarded. :(. i just want to have a conversation.

guys mentally transmit some charm and confidence into me, 500 ccs stat

i almost called you tonight to hang out, but i forgot and drove home :(

haha. what were you doin?

I was supposed to meet my friend to see Cloverfield, but he got called back to work, and I decided to drive back through Westwood. Then the catchy Alphaville song came on the radio and I forgot to call. Now I am home watching Dan Savage on Bill Maher.

i'm working tomorrow :/ ohnoes. also on monday even though everyone else at my work won't be at work :/

AND i have a big TUESDAY too! mavis staples will be here on tuesday. is she like really famous or just kind of famous?

ATTN: LOWER EAST SIDE DJ's:

please update your fucking playlists, 2004 was four years ago.

thx!
-joe

sur: staples singers are in the r'n'r hall of fame, fwiw

staple. no second S.

so i should try and see this show. k got it

I had a fagalicious evening. I talked a lot. Some might posit that I talked too much.

I was doing the waitering last night and I was going to go home b/c it was -5 degrees and fucking windy as hell, but then I walked out of the restaurant and a 22 bus pulled up, so I saved the 2 block walk to the subway. The catch is that the 22 stops about 3 long blocks from my house AND in front of a bar I like. So I sat there and talked. And talked. And I met an Irish fag who after 2 shots of tequila got really, really mean. Then I met Mr. Right Now.

Then I went the the Eagle where I had to take off my shirt in order to gain entry to the back bar.

END OF REPORT.

ps - I'm fat and horrible and no one loves me and I will die alone LOL

these statements reveal how gay you are.

I was just talking malarky. I'm hung

over.

I'm in a Las Vegas suite, surrounded by four prostate straight men. This is how I know I'm gay.

Luckily I got blueberries, raspberries, and coffee.

don't forget moxie, a minibar, and seductive wiles.

and iced water!

prostate??

or prostrate?

wow these weekends sound intense

Tonight = Ethiopian then across the street to the gay bar, gay bar, gay (sports) bar.

Hey. I'm considering volunteering for the Stonewall Democrats.

i've alwas been so intrigued by ethiopean, what does that entail exactly? sounds like something i would like.

ryan's cooking some lebanese stuff tonight, mmm

My weekend:

Friday: Happy hour. Tall gin & tonic, two Great Lakes Christmas Ales. Steal a bottle of wine and drink it with friends and eat burgers. Go to friend's apt. and TAKE BEER BONGS for the first time ever. Everyone is dancing around and being insane. Go to another friend's house, where everyone is drinking heavily and making eggplant parmesan. Black out, then come out of it when I get back to my house and realize that I have left my keys at the beer bong apartment. Climb up onto my roof to try to pry my kitchen window open. Fail miserably, then remember that there's a tiny little window on the first floor that is always unlocked. Manage to pry it open from the outside, lift myself up to it and squeeze through.

Saturday: Slept until 4:30 pm, basically. My friend B is having a party, though, so by 8 pm I feel like a normal human being again, and people come over early to play KINGS and take tequila shots. People get to the party and everyone is slamming to 90s eurohouse classics (and Journey) for hours. I dance extensively with my girl Moni to Missy Elliott. Then, I smoke a fattie with friends Samantha & Misha whilst playing with her cats. Also while the party is going on, I hang out a lot with this boy who is just way too hot and straight, but is so nice and charming that I couldn't pry myself away.

Sunday: Am not hungover, cleaned B's apartment with her. Feel great! I think I'm going to watch 'Psycho' with her once she gets off work.

In other words: a successful weekend. Even my dishes are done!

a pic of that boy:

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he's also an architecture nerd like me. that was what we talked about, mostly-- buildings.

he looks older in person, ps.

that's straight?? =P he's so cute

btw i didn't kno u were architecture nerd. so is ry. what are you studying?

yea ps he does look like 9

Ethiopian is often served family style, and without utensils--you tear off pieces of moist, sour flat bread called injera (sp?) (like tortilla, but doughier) and wrap of the food. The dishes are vegetarian-friendly with lots of legumes and potatoes and stuff. As for meat, I think I've only eaten chicken. The dishes are usually sort of stew-like.

This restaurant apparently also serves Eritrean food, which I know nothing about. Except that I've heard that one Eritrean dish consists of beef tartare.

he's from San Francisco, so that might explain the comfortability dressing the way he does. and that earring.

i'm not actually studying architecture, but i've taken a bunch of classes. mostly focussed on contemporary and modern stuff. that and one little baby drafting course.

but i'm really into buildings, yeah.

he does have the baby-face thing going on. he's 19, tho!

table, have you been to Chicago? Good place for building-looking.

I wish I had some pilllllz. My recent fixation on 70s-era faggotry has me wanting to party and listen to Sylvester.

I really wonder what it would be like to be gay in 2008 if AIDS had not happened. Would the party still be going as strong?

well we'd still have the flesh-eating MRSA to kill us, so no, probably not.

but i do think about this all the time. mostly because i fucking HATE condoms, but will not even think of not using them.

um

oh yeah -- ryan's trying to get me to watch "Valley of the Dolls" tonight, speaking of 70s era faggotry, but i'm more in the mood for the tv movie adaptation of Agatha Christie's "The Mirror Crack'd", starring none other than Angela Lansbury, thank you very much

though sharon tate hooked on pillz is a rather fun prospect. she was one hot motha. too bad she got butchered by charles manson.

But if she hadn't we wouldn't have Helter Skelter to read, and quite probably Roman Polanski's Macbeth might not have been as good as it was.

BTW, if you're interested, here is a link to the Ethiopian menu. www.demeraethiopianrestaurant.com/

I am so fucking ready.

...quite probably Roman Polanski's Macbeth might not have been as good as it was.

^^^I just want you to know that I know that this is poorly-worded.

i love ethiopian.

but i still have one terrible memory of it: the day after i got the drunkest i think i've ever been-- like, vomiting for 4 hours straight drunk-- my parents and i were invited to one of their friends' houses to eat ethiopian. and i had to eat some. i could hardly keep water down all day, much less ethiopian.

that experience aside, ethiopian is among my favorites.

that was the time when i didn't pee for twenty hours.

painful!

awful, yeah. never again.

i have an excellent follow-up to that post, table, but it is one of the many things i would only post here anonymously or if i weren't so concerned with preserving whatever nominal heterosexuality i claim.

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just watched Psycho. and now all i want to read is gender theory about it.

Zizek has shitloads about it. ah, theory-hole, here i come.

i remember once having this really meaningful experience with a Laura Mulvey essay on the male gaze. college was good that way.

then again, i'm glad i don't have to stay up all night writing a paper on it. but i would like to revisit. like i've been meaning to pick up some marquis de sade. that was fun.

i'm not even in college any longer! graduated in december. i just read a lot, and i ran out of poetry to read. though i have been meaning to get some Lorca soon...too bad tomorrow's MLK day, i would totally spend the whole time in the library.

still haven't finished Corydon, halfway through. kind of dragging....

but i have this great book on censorship of homosexual art. that's been keeping me busy.

oh no i knew you had graduated! i was just reminiscing. i think it's great to read that kind of thing on your spare time. i really need to have something lying around that i can just tap into when i'm in the mood.

i spent some quality time getting to know my sewing machine today. huurah.

I have a sewing machine and 5 or 6 garments that need very minor alterations. Must make a date with Jenny so she can give me a refresher on how to sew mechanically.

Oh yeh. MLKJ weekend continued:

ate Ethiopian and it was so fucking good. I still feel a pleasant burn in my stomach. It's like heartburn, but nice.

After E'pian my bff Courtney and I went to the gay sports hole but it was packed due to the Giants-Packers game (apparently Chicagoans are Giants fans) so we tried the Green Mill but it was poetry slam night (it is the birthplace of the poetry slam) and they had a band (SexFist, a mellow jazz group) so we went to a so-so next door trendy bar and after the game back to gay sports bar where I continued my crush on the gap-toothed bartender and chatted with Br@d McGu|r3 (Tr3@sur3 Isl@nd porn-star/bartender).

THE END.

Epilogue.

Now I may log onto gay.com and see if another bartender crush is online.

The end??

I don't want to go into it here, but, sigh.

i was just talking tonight about how i never want to read that laura mulvey essay EVER AGAIN

you don't have to go into details but, good sigh/bad sigh?

as for books, friends and i had a book club/potluck dinner tonight. i hope this one lasts, unlike the previous one i was in (which was internet-based and therefore a lot more tenuous, to the point where we only read one book and dissolved shortly thereafter). and speaking of, i am going to snuggle up w/ some joyce carol oates and call it a night.

I guess it is a bad sigh.

I sorta had to think about it, though.

LOL joe, i LOVED THAT ESSAY. did you have to read it a lot or something?

my question is WHY would you snuggle up with that ugly bitch who's been writing the same damn "poor-woman-in-abusive-relationship-in-shitsville-upstate-new-york-town" novel for the past twenty years? i mean really, if joyce carol oates croaked, it would be a boon to everyone everywhere, except jonathan safran foer, who'd probably just cry and cry and cry (as he deserves to).

sorry for the viciousness, i just really really hate joyce carol oates. cannot stand her.

she's like the j.m. coetzee of writers

So ex-crushboy's house burnt down and he slept on my couch the other night after this party we were both at. After two nights of hard partying and a weekend-long winter retreat I was wiped and decided to sit home and watch A Scanner Darkly and eat macaroni and cheese; hours later I puked horribly but don't know why. Tried to drink some water and half-hour later became The Human Spigot. Très désagréable.

I absolutely love "One of Us" but never pay attention to what's coming out of her mouth. The video seems to be an advertisement for her nose ring

The guy's a pyro too?

hey, i believe firesetting's considered an offshoot sex crime?

omg poor guy

All his shit's OK; the living room is TRASHED (ceiling collapsed). We went in on the way back from the party, there was debris everywhere. It was so surreal

this is the first time i've even ever read anything by JCO and i am liking it so fuck all yall

i don't even think mulvey herself likes that essay, sur

i've read a few of JCO's novels and liked them, particularly 'we were the mulvaneys' but she overuses exclamation points, and it comes across as... tacky, or something. it's kinda annoying.

I can't see We Were the Mulvaneys on a bookshelf without hearing Oprah's voice as she announced it for her Book Club™: "WE. WERE. THE. MULVANEYS."

i think that part of my distaste for JCO comes from the fact that these two horrible, horrible English teachers i had in high school were obsessed with her. they made my life and my friends' lives a living hell for two years. they were the sort of women who insisted on the primacy of female writers, hated all teenage boys with a passion, and had vast double standards when dealing with diversity issues....ie- talking about race or male/female issues was fine, talking about sexuality was off-limits. i mean seriously, they were terrible people. example: after i left high school, one of them hired this guy, a former student of hers who was 20 years her junior, then began an affair with him, eventually divorcing her husband and ceding rights to her two lovely children to her husband. i mean, what a fucking bitch.

sorry, as you can see, i try to forget about them as much as possible.

great so i had a spiritual experience with an essay that its author doesn't even like. of course.

Surmounter, I still love that essay and I've read it many times.

http://download.yousendit.com/5F815A4E48CAD89D

you'll understand why.

whew =P xp

not terrible, really. i mean, nothing i wouldn't expect, but eh. keeps the indie fuxxors happy and out of the real clubs, then i'm happy.

-- the table is the table, Monday, January 21, 2008 7:48 PM (4 hours ago) Bookmark Link

OK TIME FOR BITCHY CATFIGHT

context?

tapioca pudding, polyvinyl costumes, candle lighting.

stevie, i get real bitchy about music on the internet. in public, i am a very kind person who is tolerant of everything you like as long as you tolerant of everything i like.

that said, i hate most of the bands on that bill. and most rock bands nowadays. and justice. and danny tenaglia.

i went the way of the dinosaur in regards to most recent guitar-driven music a while back, unless it is noise music. in which case i would love to hear you stick things into your guitar and actually make an original sound now and again.

see? i get bitchy without even meaning to. i just think most bands nowadays are terrible sounding. and i love bands. just not the bands that play at coachella, apparently. i'd almost rather go to a weird midwestern bro-down noise fest than something like coachella, but because dimitri from paris, sasha, and boys noize are playing, i'm okay with it.

yea a lot of bands suck.

SUCK

some bands are so good though. omg new breeders album SO SOON

I am almost nervous about this reunion. I probably won't buy it or seek it out until I hear great things.

However I am pretty excited about the new Xiu-Xiu.

Me too, especially since there are supposedly no guitars. Looking forward to their DC show in March.

i hardly ever see bands live anymore, i mostly go to club nights with DJs. there aren't any BANDS i'm super excited about these days, and the few that i am i've largely already seen live

wait wait i'm assuming you're not talking about the Breeders when you're talking reunions and no guitars... ?

This is true for me as well. I went to a lot more shows when I was in college and it took an hour and a half to drive to DC than I do now that I live here. Now I mainly go to clubs too.

x-post

Surmounter- No, I meant Xiu Xiu.

table, read Robin Wood's writings on Hitchcock.

i'm more in the mood for the tv movie adaptation of Agatha Christie's "The Mirror Crack'd"

This was a theatrical film (the one w/ Lansbury & Liz Taylor). Yes, as recently as 1980, they made movies for 55-year-olds.

was robin wood the guy who created a visual map based on the physical space/structure of north by northwest?* who was that?

*worded badly

I'm not sure, joe. Wood has a lotta pre-queer-theoryish takes on gender/maleness/perversion etc.

Perhaps I'll find my copy of Hitchcock's Films Revisited when I move.

speaking of movies, not even going anywhere NEAR that oscar thread

haha, it's not so bad. Everyone seems nearly as bored with them as I am.

What is this prejudice against guitars?

My fucking ex-bf was kind of this way too. I was playing John Spencer Blues Explosion and he said "I hate to sound like an old person (he was 23), but that's not music, that's just noise!" I should have ended it right then.

By comparison, his tastes tended to be for Olive, Daft Punk, and Janet Jackson. Grrrrr.

I don't dance or listen to 'club music.' (which is just noise)

i like lots of guitar-based rock stuff (i.e. beatles, led zeppelin, early '90s hardcore) but the past few weeks i've been listening to almost exclusively dance tracks. depends on mood more than anything: i have a deep and abiding love of chart-pop but since it's sort of asleep right now i'm delving into other realms of interest (and dance music is churned out at such a fiendish rate so it's nice to know it's always there)

table, you heard the prins thomas mix of "surfing at midnight"? i spent the whole morning commute pining for spring

I like electronic music (Banco de Gaia, Ellen Alien, Michael Meyers, um... other stuff) as white noise while reading. But as for "club music" I get the rage. ESPECIALLY when I hear a dance remix of a song I like, cf. 80s night at a dance club.

Then there was the BF before him, who listened to Black Sabbath, Marylin Manson, System of a Down. Indie-boyfriend, where are you??????

Jesse- There's nothing wrong with guitars per se. I'm just interested to see what Xiu Xiu will sound like without them.

Well, if it means JS on the autoharp, then it's a good thing.

trawling thru dlist.com listings i'm actually kind of turned off by the huge presence of brooklyn gays who like that strand of strummy earnest indie that i just find sort of dull (sufjan/iron and wine/jens lekman/etc)

Every generation needs its Dan Fogelbergs for tender seduction moments. I guess.

YUCK. it's always alarming how many ppl subscribe to this kind of stuff.

i love guitars (like SO MUCH), but you're right joe it's a totally different feeling/mood. i just LOVE how chart-pop/dance stuff with clean beats cuts through my emotions, if that makes any sense. guitars kind of mix IN with how i'm feeling, whereas pop stuff transforms it.

yup.

I can do w/out Sufjan.

I was being interviewed by the Bxstxn Hxrxld and the interviewer noted that I had done an album about Saskatchewan and was working on one about Nebraska and the dude said "So... are you doing a Sufjan thing?" And I died a bit inside, and then said that I was pretty sure my album came out before any of Sufjan's, so at best he is doing a me thing.

Anyway I'm going to throw out here the idea that if you find an entire genre of music to be bad or "just noise" or whatever, then you don't know how to listen to or how to approach music. You are doing it all wrong.

Fuck this thread.

my friend Gabrielle did a lot of the cello for Xiu Xiu's new album, she's cool. i like xiu xiu.

that said, if we're talking more 'indie' minded stuff, there are tons of acts i like: ariel pink, old animal collective, sigur ros, older low. i just can't deal with a lot of new stuff. i think much of it with me simply that i hate the way most super-compressed, ultra-produced guitar driven music sounds. it sounds like a big load of nothing...

Hey Jesse, would you make me a mix CD? I know it's cheeky to ask but a lot of people enjoy doing such things so... I would be happy to send you treats from England in return!

i'm sorry, can you like tell me about the music that you make, Cas?

I was basically jesting about genre dismissal. (except, y'know, deep house and trance)

but I've never claimed to know how to listen to music, which is why I've nearly stopped.

::gasp:: don't stop

Yeah, keep going. Harder.

Whoa I didn't know new Xiu Xiu albumw ould be guitarless. I'm coming to the gay thread for music news from now one. Wonder if the tour will be guitarless.

I forgot to speak English in that post. Sorry!

I make music like I make ILX posts: usually short, often bitter, sometimes amusing, often filled with typos.

does Xiu Xiu have a base beyond fags?

OUR GAY COWBOY TOP IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lol

ivan u don't post here enuf!!

yeah ivan.

and wow, can't believe that myself about mr. ledger.

i can't find the thread where i enthused on my adolescent crush on jonathan brandis for about seven hundred words

today at the gym, while i was getting ready for the shower and changing back into normal clothes, the senior varisty swimming squad from the local high school was getting changed for a meet. i had to keep my eyes averted the entire time. it was quite uncomfortable.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I thought the single best thing about being gay was supposed to be that you got to see the gender you fancy in the showers?

this is all i can come up with : Do you believe in the hetero/bi/homosexual line?

i mean, you're right to a certain extent mark. but tall athletic high school boys vs. small-but-fit college graduate? they could have beat me up.

also there's the whole i wear relatively tight pants and a boner would have been extraordinarily embarassing.

that said, most of the swimmers i've known who've kept doing it post-high school are, in fact, total fags.

I don't post anywhere enough, really. I think I'm going to sleep.

i think all the regular posters on this thread should be required to post 700-word paeans to their adolescent celebrity crushes

With regards to the line, the "line" is plausible. It'd seem that it's the cause of much wishful thinking.

This topic pops up among two of my friends fairly often. One believes in it fully, and the other only believes that it only applies to females.

Maybe not 700 words, but I am always game. I just need to think a bit.

(By the way, the first time I remember actually coming whilst masturbating, I was watching an extended sequence involving John Stamos on Full House. True fucking story there)

Guys, I am listening only to Detroit techno and Miami Booty remixes of pop classics from the 80s. I want to go dancing so badly. Or really, I just want people to get back so I can DJ a slammin party.

john stamos really is beautiful.

not really, i think, at this point. obviously did then.

i still can't decide. it might have to be Leo. and you guys already know from that image-dump i did a while back.

Au contraire. I think Stamos has held onto his looks far longer than I ever expected. He's beyond Clooney in that dept.

Oh heavens, I don't remember. A few random stray things, nothing terribly sustained.

i spent most of today, pursuant to the afternoon's musical discussion, listening to assorted early '90s rave tracks ("total confusion," "narra mine" etc), but now neil young it is. "a man needs a maid" is so fucking weird.

thirteen year old me says sigh...

grown up me says: whaaaaaaaaat?

Oh, I missed this whole music discussion! Boo. I was huge into indie circa 04/05 and then got tired of it. As for reasons the Coachella line up is appealing:

INSTITUBES DJ'S (ParaOne and SURKIN)!!!
Battles
Yo! Majesty
120 Days (because "Come Out Come Down" is one of the absolute greatest songs assembled in the past five years)
Spiritualized
The Field
Les Savy Fav
Holy Fuck
Kraftwerk (duh)

Bonde Do Role own live but I can't see how they'd be anywhere near as good up high on a stage behind a barrier 10 feet from the crowd. But then again, LSF pulled it off.

Who the hell did I crush on in HS?? Why can't I remember? The first crush I remember is George Clooney in around 1995.

Also when I was about 13 I had a crush on Drew Barrymore.

http://orage.mjp.brown.edu/mjp/images/Swynnerton/CupPsyc91.gif

when i was 12 i fell in love with this painting, bought a print, and pinned it to my bedroom wall. my dad made me take it down and put up something more normal. so i went to the mall to buy a kelly kapowski poster. my sister was with me, though, and said that having a poster of a girl on your wall was lame, so i also got one of zach morris. i hung 'em next to each other for about a year, with the zach morris one more prominantly displayed, because ... you guessed it, behind it, was the Swynnerton print.

that's such a hot print

i had a Saved By The Bell poster up for sure. kelly was HOTTTTTT. not to mention zach who still looks good when i catch reruns. he's like the perfect little american cream puff!

Mario Lopez! (more now than then)

YES -- well, you know WHY (i just had this discussion)

BECUZ HE STRAIGHTENED HIS HAIR.

all the difference

Of all the Saved by the Bell alums, i am a little disappointed in Lark Vorhees (sp?) subsequent work.

@ Stevie D:

Institubes is having a show at Studio B in Greenpoint in March that I will probably attend. Not sure where you are locted, though - although I suspect closer to CA?

@generalmills:

Located, blech

stevie's in the jers

oic

stevie also can't get into studio B i think

right

btw, very glad i went to mavis staples -- only stayed for a few songs but that was good enuf. she rocks!! and her singers pretty great :-)

a weird midwestern bro-down noise fest

This sounds like a good enough reason to move to Iowa

they're more a michigan thing, ikr. but it's okay that you don't know that.

Is that so?

a/s/l?

(I, in fact, remember the heady days of chat rooms on AOL... back in the 90s).

I remember using something with the dodgy name of teenchat

!!!! still there !!!!

I wonder if they still advertise for weightloss pills constantly

i used to be big on the Aol chatrooms. boys

and

m4m.

then, i think something happened in the "boys" room, where someone got like kidnapped or something. so they emailed my parents and told them i was in "boys," and my parents got upset.

ah ha. no way, ramz.

i was a dork and spent hours in the 'simpsons trivia' chatroom -- i think there were only, like, seven seasons in existence then, so it was a little easier to keep tabs on their goings-on... although I am sure die-hards can still compete two decades of seasons in.

But AOL in the mid 90s was my first exposure to cocks, generally, as in pornographic images of the male organ.

Haha, when I was quite young I used to go on the AOL chatrooms and some kind of IRC ( mIRC? ) and trade pics with people or have phone sex. It was so strange--I would do this whenever no one was around, but it never even occurred to me to acknowledge to myself that I was gay because it was so out-of-the-question at the time.

Well I saw Institubes at Studio B before; I can get into some shows but not others. Bah.

my experiences in aol chat rooms as a teenager were in the fetish rooms/women over 60 rooms/other lol rooms where friends and i tried to goad ppl (probably bored kids like us) into having ridiculous chat sex with us

I got so much action on AOL! My first hookups were in those chatrooms. Since I eliminated my membership more than two years ago my hookup rate has deteriorated, alas.

It's all on Manhunt now.

When I was a kid (like, 12 or so? in the late 80s) my parents wouldn't let me get a modem (for my Atari 800XL). My stepfather was adamant, and said that he had found out from coworkers (he was NYPD) that people just go on "to download games!" This seemed like a baffling objection to me, who had no idea what people went online for but it seemed like interesting technology. It wasn't until many years later that I realized he probably didn't want to say "...download porn" in front of my mother (or perhaps in front of me?).

haw i accidentally clicked on this thread instead of 'dear abbott' above it and there was all this stuff about checking out high school boys in gym showers and i was so confused

When I was 12, you could only get "on line" in front of a movie theater. Or at a music-store counter, to buy VINYL records!

lol n/a

Bryan Ferry is so superhot in video for What Goes On

Soooo Robyn (the swedish pop star known for "Show Me Love" in the late 90s) is playing a fairly inexpensive concert at the highline ballroom on Feb 5 and I am trying to get a bunch of people together cuz I think it would be a ridiculous and fun night of europop. I asked a few coworkers to tag along and not too many people have been taking me up on my offer.

Doesn't anyone see the camp value of this performance?!? Sheesh!

Oh, and Ramz will you come with me?

I would totally go if I lived in NYC. I don't even know "Show Me Love" all that well, but Robyn's most recent album is awesome.

the videos are great for 'konichiwa bitches' and 'with every heartbeat,' but also especially 'handle me,' where she sports some fresh gonzo looks, love it

ooooh yeah that sounds fun! how much?

15 bucks

i was thinking of going to the box office during lunch tomorrow so let me know and i will get one for ya!

so it's not my favorite shakespeare by any measure but my boyfriend and i will be seeing the local repertory theatre's production of richard iii early next month, so we have already watched the ian mckellen version and read an essay on the play and will be reading the play together (that is, to each other) starting tonight i think

omg guys how much more cute can it get? not much. squeeee

strindberg?

vintage ian mckellen: a babe, y/n?

http://www.ianmckellen.us/images/0739.jpg

Yes - and rather hung...

and the quintessence of the hammy British actor at any age.

not like it's a bad thing.

When Ramzi and I are feeling particularly romantic, we read TV Guide to one another.

hahahahaha

i still wanna get a subscription to tv guide

TV Guide used to often run suggestive photos of Bob Barker and Tyne Daly.

I always enjoyed the movie reviews in the RTE Guide which is the Irish version of TV I guess (RTEI and 2 being the only channels Ireland had until comparatively recently) The TV reviewer though professing to have a Sandra Bullock "thing" could only wax lyrical about movies with Judy, Eliza or Barbra. And always in a wonderful way that assumed we all loved the divas equally and knew just as much about their movies. I think they stopped writing new ones about ten years ago, so I pretty much know them all by now too.

ie LOL closeted movie reviewers

http://www.tvhistory.tv/1953_Jan_23_TV_GUIDE_MM.jpg

"She'll be on your home screen" !!! Mrrrrroaw!

OMG AND IT IS FOR THIS WEEK (jan 23-29!!)

She's making me nervous

wow i just can't speak when i see that woman

speak! speak!

http://www.adorocinema.com.br/filmes/tiros-na-broadway/tiros-na-broadway01.jpg

"Shhh! Don't speak!"

Wiest!

Surmounter has a story!

i am back!

1- nick sent me a an e-mail from a train, in india! i didn't even know they could do that there yet, but maybe i'm a bit naive.

2- yeah, i used to be stalked by people on AOL all the time. i just wanted to talk about punk rock, and they just wanted to see my cock. made me so uncomfortable i stopped using the internet until i was a junior in high school, when i started my first livejournal.

really, though, i was never that into computers and whatnot until i got to college. and then it all started snowballing at me in the craziest way. i have five active e-mail addresses, facebook, a blog, another website, and i am planning on a myspace soon, so i can get DJing gigs easier.

3- i have two job interviews coming up. one at a very nice independent bookstore, and one at some web design firm. issue is this: if i get both of them, do i take the job that's contract work cuz it'll pay well in the immediate sense (and will probably bore me to shit), or do i take the bookstore job, which probably won't pay as well but will have free coffee, books, and a lively atmosphere? (i am really really poor right now, as some of you know)

oh, they ran the gay Levi's commercial THREE TIMES last night during project runway. michael kors' spray-on tan gets worse every week. and every week, it becomes more and more apparent that Christian is the best designer on the entire show, even though he's the youngest.

Eeps! Haven't watched yet. Need to refrain lest the spoilers ensure - although I am praying that Ricky got the boot.

:-P ensue.

gm, i don't want to be a spoiler, but his shit was actually good last night. in fact, all the gays (as in the males) are still in. that's all i will say.

by the way, this track is still killing me.

I was skeptical at first (because of Antony) but I'm loving it too.

Also, how did I not hear Rihanna's "Don't Stop the Music" until last week? That song is unreal.

Table, I kiss you.

thanks ikr. *blushes*.

i got three movies from the library just now: Maurice (gay WWI story with young Hugh Grant? whew), the Laramie Project (which i might not be able to watch), and Children of the Corn.

clearly i have weird taste.

I just watched shopgirl, remember the days we used to sit around talking about mscl?

>1- nick sent me a an e-mail from a train, in india! i didn't even know they could do that there yet,

jesus christ

No need to keep visiting hala's myspace to listen to roar no mo'

You can't do it in Ireland

And now I'm listening to Black dice again. Seriously, is there another band that sounds exactly the same? Yes?

i know who won project runway and i'm happy about it

but i am excited to see the show. i hope i like christian's outfit.

that last dress definitely rivals jay mccarroll's fuschia ruffled thing, which was drop dead.

should i go out later? or stupid idea? probably the latter? !

no no wait -- i DON'T think i know who won. i know who LOST and i'm happy about that. not even about the personality, just slightly boring designs. . IMHO

table, the laramie project is really really good, and also really really sad. and in my opinion, you take the cool bookstore job - longterm benefits seem greater, and also it's BOOKS BOOKS BOOKS!!! how could you say no to that????

Hello there! Half of chocolate eaten. Depressed.

At my own gluttony that is, chocolate is far too good. Needs a warning label I think!!!

Hey there too Ramzi!

awwww pace yourself, T! i'm glad you like it though :)

Fair Trade Organic Irish chocolate in top secret flavours should be winging themselves to the international Date Line for you pretty soon.

i watched last season of PR religiously but somehow can't be bothered with this one at all. am i losing my gay?

personality-wise the only person i like is chris (the couture dress he did with christian was astounding)

Saw great programme about the rich women who buy couture, there seems to be like eight in the world. They call themselves clubmembers.

YAYYYYYYYYYYYY!!! I'M SO EXCITED, T!!!

I have to say they look pretty delicious, pricey for the size, they're not as big as the ones you sent me, so you'll have to have more restraint than I did =P

i'll do my best! :)