ROLLING NEW YORK 2008: I Don't Wanna Be Here When The Bomb Drops

How many more years until the inevitable coordinated subway attacks?
I will take no job requiring me to take the subway at rush hour.

(I had a dream about this last night, I'm not just a crackpot.)

i have dreams about this approx. twice a week.

i used to be so scared of this and moved to avoid having to take the train to work through any of the major stations. but now i take the 4 from brooklyn to the UES and hit just about all of them! tralallaa i can't hear you

PANGS OF FEAR ON THE TRAIN THIS MORNING, GUYS.

at least we'll have plenty of bars to choose frum when the cowards leave.

i just don't wanna be under a river when the bomb drops

http://consequenceofsound.com/2008/01/15/maybe-it-is-happening/

ian you pussy

Fuck man, when the cowards leave we'll have our bars and smoke in 'em, too.

i had a full fledged panic attack stuck in a 4 train underground near wall street. i was nervous enough as i was going to tell my folks about a new addition to the family, then the train froze up in the tunnel and all you could smell was smoke. i guess there was a fire somewhere.

well congrats! (not on the panic attack)

i don't get claustrophobic often but that feeling that you're in a sealed coffin with 40 others schmoes happens on a regular basis to a lot of people.

xpost thx, this was a while ago

last week one afternoon when they kicked us all of the red line because a girl told the conductor she smelled smoke and then she saw smoke coming out from under the train (I didn't see anything), I was reminded of the way the PATH smells every day.

"smoke? no, ma'am, that's just subterranean hoboken"

I worry more about train collision than being stuck in a tunnel? Have never had the panic attax altho no, do not want to be underwater when shit explodes.

Wait, taking sides: UNDER the water, or suspended at a deathly height on a bridge OVER it?

at least we'll have plenty of bars to choose frum when the cowards leave.

-- Dr Morbius, Saturday, January 12, 2008 2:21 PM (3 days ago) Bookmark Link

this is crass as hell to say, and i know i'm going to regret writing this in the future, but you're not alone in this sentiment. all it would take is a good dirty bomb scenario that gets bungled, irradiates a few blocks with no casualties, and immediately the worst of the worst move out of nyc. rents go down, new construction abandoned, police have better things to do.. you get the idea.

oh and hi future self in 2014 reading this!

If the bomb's worse than you say it is, your hideously mutated future self is going to hate you for saying that.

Wait, taking sides: UNDER the water, or suspended at a deathly height on a bridge OVER it?

i'll take the bridge. at least you can let out one final "WHHHEEEEEEEEEE!!!!" on the way down.

remember how after 9/11 everyone thought nyc real estate would become affordable? lol

too true Matt.

Actually my friend A bought her apt on the UWS right after that!! It's just that it turns out "affordable" is relative.

actually, i do remember some eurotrash in wburg/pratt area abandoning their lofts and subletting for about half market value. of course that was just a good sublet deal until the lease ran out..

rents go down, new construction abandoned, police have better things to do..

...jobs disappear, tax base slashed, cancer rates skyrocket. but hey, no yuppies!

If that's a promise...

I was thinking more of Wall St being underwater.

"Wall St" will still exist if Wall St is underwater, sorry morbs

this is crass as hell to say, and i know i'm going to regret writing this in the future, but you're not alone in this sentiment. all it would take is a good dirty bomb scenario that gets bungled, irradiates a few blocks with no casualties, and immediately the worst of the worst move out of nyc. rents go down, new construction abandoned, police have better things to do.. you get the idea.

-- sanskrit, Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:12 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

*dials DHS*

I just watched Final Destination 3 today. STAY AWAY FROM ROLLER COASTERS, TANNING BEDS, DRIVE-THRUS, WEIGHT MACHINES UNDER SWORDS, NAIL GUNS, RUNAWAY HORSES, FLAGPOLES, FIREWORKS, AND SUBWAYS AND EVERYTHING IS OK.

El Tomboto speaking, how can I help you mr gbx

I carefully stay away from all but one of those

isn't everybody bored of terrorism yet? can we get back to machine revolt?

nothing gets between a gabbneb and his flagpole

My weight machine has an axe over it, I'm assuming that will be perfectly safe?

lol

final destination 3: really final this time, guys, we promise.

I did not see Final Destination 2 but I could follow ok after readin gthe wiki plot synopsis.

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that dirty bomb thing would cause me to move out of nyc. does that make me a yuppie? also: anthrax/sarin gas/some other nasty stuff in the subway ventilation systems

I have 6 gallons of distilled wated in my upstairs closet. Maybe I need more.

gah, or water. I have not yet begun to carry a jar of apple cider vinegar or whatever with me wherever I go.

i made an emergency evacuation kit for valentine's day once. lady got all weepy.

If you run out of room for water storage just keep some bleach around, apparently you can disinfect water with a small amt of it and still drink it safely. You could keep iodine tablets around too but personally I'd rather drink chlorine.

i never think abt this except in a vague what if... sort of way

my friend nikki has an excellent evacuation kit that her dad gave her including a RADIATION SUIT!

i was trying to figure out what route would be the safest way out of the city w/out using any major highways or bridges and the only thing i could come up with was driving out to the end of long island :/

if yr kidneys are in good shape you can cycle your own pee, what, six times through? probably depends on how hydrated you are to begin with though. keep it clear everybody!

but then you could take a ferry to CT or something, though that didn't work out too well in war of the worlds

was trying to figure out what route would be the safest way out of the city w/out using any major highways or bridges and the only thing i could come up with was driving out to the end of long island :/

Take the ferry from there to Connecticut.

xp

the answer is so BUY A HELICOPTER.

I remember that being discussed in Robinson Crusoe On Mars.
(xpost to Tombot)

When your time's up, it's up. Why worry about this shit. You're gonna go at some point anyway, just relax.

Is there no survivorman/ man vs wild about this yet?

NO REASON TO DRINK YOUR PEE PEOPLE

I'm so cavalier about this shit. I've been secretly hoping for the apocalypse since I was about nine years old, though

ferry to CT: A+

survivorman did do one in a flooding house, post-katrina.

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I loved those YA books Fire Brats about the bomb dropping and they are stuck in some cement basement or something and then they get out and try to get to California? to find one of their family.

There was an "urban survival" ep a long time ago, but I only saw the ad for it, not the episode itself (sadly!).

XP STILL SUITS GAWD

A long time ago I dated someone who, when I moved to Bklyn against his advice, said if I wanted a ride to safety I had to get myself to Jersey City, he wasn't coming in for me.

I've been secretly hoping to travel cross country in the tweety wagon with my dog looking for survivors and making fires the dozen different ways I have learned from Bear Grylls.

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Shyness is nice...

we will alllllll go together when we go...

(ken, i'm off jury duty for now but still too beat to go home from Film Forum at 11:30, sorry)

here are my preferences for the apocalypse, prioritized:

1. I would like to survive the initial massacre.
2. Also my cat.
3. And my friends and family but I understand this is pushing it.
4. Please do not occur while I am at work.
5. It would also be sweet if more men died than women.

's OK, Morbius. Do you want me to get Foster Hirsch's autograph for you?

MINESHAFT GAP

(nah, that's OK)

TOM TAKE THAT BACK NY IS ALREADY LIKE RIDIC PERCENT MORE SINGLE WOMEN THAN MEN NO FAIRS.

6. please have spooky ambient synth sounds piped in at all times

Anyway I much preferred dating the guy who said he was good for getting me and six or so of my closest friends out of a smoking urban wreckage thanx to survival skills. One of his suggestions: making a raft out of bodies.

I was so pissed when a conEd whatever blew on the met life building last month in grand central and everyone was freaking out about it because we only heard the explosion/popping and firetrucks and the building made an announcement that you could not use the elevators. I was especially mad because I didn't even work there and if I died there I was going to be sooo pissed.

5. It would also be sweet if more men died than women.

http://gardnerlinn.com/strangelove.jpg

wouldn't a raft of bodies sink?

listen, I am not going to sit here and have anybody begrudge me my postapocalyptic polygamist species repopulation daydream. I don't tell you to take your dreams back when you share them with people.

Yeah, Yerac, AND it was AFTER 5PM so like I had to walk many long blocks to the nearest functioning station of my train AND I didn't even get out of a workday for it.

no tom i'm right behind you headed down into the mines

i choose a bomb over zombies.

xp Tom: okay fine.

re raft of bodies: I don't know? Maybe you could blow air into all their lungs and then tape their mouths and noses shut? Srsly do not ask me, I was planning on stealing a boat under cover of darkness.

laurel's dates sound like real bros

apocalypse poll

raft of bodies: gotta wait for the bloat

And/or swimming the freakin river, which I realize only has even a small chance of survival like 3 months out of the year but hey.

xp yeah but then the skin starts slipping off and your knots get all slimy.

i do think we should have more summer blackouts. those are fun!

wouldn't standing on the bloated bodies expel all the gas and cause the CORPSERAFT to sink

Summer blackouts will be massively better now I can walk across a bridge to home. Waiting 5 hrs with no water and no bathrooms for ferry across the Hudson was one of the longest evenings of my life.

I mean at least I was so dehydrated I didn't have to pee, I guess.

stockpile buttplugs for corpsecraft

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just thinking out loud here

i was out of town for the "fun" blackout where all of my co-workers got to walk down 46 flights of stairs in the dark. but the one in queens 2 summers ago made up for it.

i went on a job interview that went well and started drinking downtown before the blackout happened. it was a messy night.

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God by the time I got to Fort Lee by boat and then walked most of the way to downtown Jersey City, took a shower, and got to the bar, I could barely keep my eyes open. I think I had half a beer? A waste of a good blackout, really.

i was at the beach in MD. all of my coworkers wanted to kill me on monday.

speaking of dreams, where is that Gay Bomb we heard about a few months ago? As long as it doesn't make men wax their asses and believe J.Timberlake makes great records...

i think i've told this story before about how i was home from work washing my sheets and right when I pushed the dryer button the electricity went out and I totally thought I blew the power in my building. 2 hours later my dad called me asking me about the blackout and I said "How did you know???"

I was so scared my landlord was going to be pissed.

have i ever told the story about sleeping through 9/11 in my dorm 7 blocks away?

Champion sleeping, bell!

When I was at NYU, I was so afraid of this that I'd get nervous evertime the subway rolled under my apt building and that was well before 9/11. When I was in London, I was so afraid of it that I used to get panic attacks when the tube stopped in the tunnel which is does often. I learned to cope but it was a very real fear especially when living in central london. The bombings there happened about 6 months after I moved back to the States. I honestly think that somewhere in my mind, this fear is what prevented me from returning to NYC. I feel safer in Boston somehow although I'm sure it's a false sense of security. That said, this place is much to boring to attack. Even now when I'm in NYC I think about it and also the fabled inevitable NYC earthquake. *shudders*

but what about the NYC Volcano?!

Wow, if I worried that much I'm not sure I'd have enough time to do stuff I actually like.

Then again I worry about dying alone and being eaten by my pets and you've kind of got that one out of the way already, so fair enough.

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what goes on apocalypse scenario poll options

1. plague
2. zombies
3. the bomb
4. chicxulub redux
5. war of the worlds
6. children of men

Wasn't there some Alfred Bester story about some post-apoc types hanging around in Central Park by the Alice in Wonderland statues?

Thanks, now I'll have to add that to the list. ;-) x-post to

man, i really don't want to be invaded by aliens.

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/images/n2/n13660.jpg

FAVORITE BOOK FOR AGES

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7. rise of the machines

Sigh. I should go home but that means no more contributing to this thread and I was enjoying it so....

REAL WORLD SURVIVAL TECHINIQUE:
C/D: Sashaying into work 45 minutes late with a coffee in one hand and a delicious breakfast sandwich in the other?

8. attack by severed statue of liberty head

guys make the raft out of dead fatteys. they float better.

paranoia.
despair.

riding beth ditto to safety

stockpile buttplugs for corpsecraft

-- mookieproof, Tuesday, January 15, 2008 4:58 PM (37 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

i know a trick...

How To Good-Bye Apocalypse

PANGS OF FEAR ON THE TRAIN THIS MORNING, GUYS.

my worst moment of this was last sept. 11, headed to work. there was a guy with a v. big backpack who seemed kinda fidgety and weird. i was really kind of freaked out. and i thought, you know, after the funeral somebody's gonna ask what kinda dumbass takes a subway to times square on sept. 11.

Uncle Sam Wants YOU to Clench Buttocks

don't you hate on Hiroyuki Nishigaki. the technique works.

not malarkey?

It was not any weapon of man that defeated the menace; it was instead the small things in nature that were their undoing. The very anus weakness that had plagued man, and to which we had long since developed an exercise to correct, attacked the invaders upon their arrival, sealing their inevitable doom.

I've gotten past the panic attacks at this point - now when the PATH or Subway stops for more than a few minutes I just get resigned to the idea of my meaningless death.

so, does living in nyc make everyone this paranoid, or is it just you guys?

like, how do you live if you are scared of the train? i don't get it.

i will be in town feb 23-29 for the leap-yearmaggedon

FEB 29 nevar forget

i don't like miami but i can deal without thinking about dying all afternoon more than once a month. and i'm leaving here in a few weeks.

most people i know don't think about it much but pretty much everyone admits to occasional bouts of THE FEAR.

does it happen to people who moved there after 9/11? cause i could see that causing panic and anxiety and nightmares... ptsd type stuff.

i moved here post-9/11 and i do not experience the same bouts of fear that it seems the pre-existing residents do. i more worry about pushy people in the subway knocking me onto the tracks.

9) http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005Y1TZ.01.MZZZZZZZ.jpg

i moved here a year after 9/11. no ptsd for me. just occasional bouts of omg somebody might wants to blow me up.

I moved to Jersey City two years after 9/11 but I lived close enough to NYC at the time. I don't think it's on some PTSD levels or anything though.

The closest I ever came to freaking out was actually on an Amtrak train - there was a *Muslim-looking* man with a beard who looked incredibly nervous, like on some near-breakdown level shit, and was muttering stuff to himself and sweating a bit. I nearly notified the conductor - I was thinking of just saying "There's a guy who doesn't look well - maybe you should check on him" or something so as to avoid causing Islamophobic panic - but eventually the guy stopped and I decided against it. Probably just going through some difficult family stuff or mental health problems.

he probably missed his train... THE train

my father was in the first WTC attack in the early 90s, and I watched the towers come down during my first week at college. I've never thought about it on the subway, but the dreams man ... every few weeks you get these bad post-apocalyptic dreams, kind-of like late night TNT before they started showing 50 reruns of Charmed a night.

i moved here well after 9/11, although i was in dc then (not quite the same thing at all, but there was still some shit going on). i don't have the phear but i'm probably foolishly oblivious to lots of things.

oh btw guys I was in the secret service HQ bldg once and was told that it has this full-height atrium design with all the load bearing members as far from the atrium space as possible so that if an oklahoma style attack goes off out front the shockwave will just bounce up in empty space and not bring the whole structure down

J edgar hoover where I used to work OTOH is already falling apart by itself

yeah it's just the awareness of vulnerability more than anything else. it's easy to fall into all the rhythms of normality, and pleasant too because new york normality is nice, but that knowledge is still right there. and i think vulnerability is good to be aware of. you just have to keep it proportion.

otoh it was great to be here for the blackout. i've never had more of a sense of community here, the impulse of the city to take care of itself, all the restaurants and bars staying open, the bodega owners sitting outfront with their car lights shining in. i stopped at one for a beer on the way home from work. the guy was doing good business. (kinda crucial all this only lasted one night, of course.) the next afternoon i took a cab across from the east side, where all the lights were still off, through the park to the west side, where all the lights were completely on. the traffic lights were working, everything was bright and more orderly. that was very strange.

I don't see how awareness of vulnerability for things like terrorist attacks actually helps anybody. if it's not your job to worry about it, try not to worry about it. I mean it's one thing to recognize that you have a higher chance of being mugged or raped or whatever based on choices that you can make; but unless you just want to give up going to work or using mass transit or whatever then there's no reason to be afraid.

being completely aware that you could keel over and die instantly at any moment from a completely undetectable fault in your circulatory system doesn't exactly rate as a useful piece of knowledge either

and yes I know saying shit like "no reason to be afraid" and being all mr. actuarial tables risk management guy doesn't help anybody either

otm!

Given people's extraordinary mishandling of the "let people off before you get on" rule, I'm less afraid of an actual attack than I am of getting trampled or pushed onto tracks over a sudden loud noise and a Sikh with a walkman.

The Times Square 1/2 platform gets super-crowded during rush hour, and there are stairs in the center so you have to walk through narrow strips beside them, and there is ALWAYS one butthead who's looking the other way to see if the train's coming and steps blindly out and nearly knocks you straight onto the tracks. ALWAYS. It's the most minor thing in the world, but would it be okay if I punched these people in the face and said "you realize you COULD have totally just killed me, right?"

plus half those strips have that yellow rubber on them, which goes great with shoes that have been in the rain. i kind of like that side of it though. the negotiations you have to do about who walks where first. sort of amazing more people don't end up on the tracks. but see that's something i can do something about. if somebody's in my way and i'm paying attention, i'll see them and adjust. if the train's coming i stand somewhere that nobody's going to run into me accidentally. there's an element of control. the infintessimally less likely possibility of some dipshit with a backpack, though, i have no control over. so yeah of course i accept it. just like when i owned a car and had to drive to work i accepted the slim but real possibility that somebody was going to crash into me. but it's not like the slimness of those possibilities makes the possibilities go away.

exactly what i was talking about upthread! esp nerve-wracking when walking down platforms with like 2 ft of space between staircase and tracks (see: union square nqrw). also ppl like this. and try walking on those bumpy yellow strips in heels!

er, this: http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?showall=true&bookmarkedmessageid=89&boardid=40&threadid=19562

guys, there are some simple solutions here:
1) don't walk next to the stairs (or walk around the other side if it's less crowded), especially if it's raining
2) if you do walk next to the stairs, walk in the same direction as the train so everyone sees you, and don't wear heels

that is, if these things are actually less important to you than the possibility of getting knocked onto the tracks

jeez, i'm actually less neurotic than most of you. Be afraid.

I don't get "the fear" at all, I guess, I just like to joke about zombies and flight plans. My dad's an engineer and so I basically just trust buildings, bridges, roller coasters, airplanes, and other built things to do their job and be safe at such a statistically high rate that the incidence of FAILURE is probably never going to be my problem. It's cool.

The mindset I do try to cultivate is one of acting QUICKLY in response to poss threats or etc, not standing around waffling and screaming a lot. When I really think about it, I think I'd rather be embarrassed 10 times for hitting the deck or moving farther away from someone who turns out to be harmless, than be RIGHT once and not act on it and have something bad happen.

Add to that general awareness stuff, you know, like noticing where the exit signs are when you go into someplace, and then not thinking about it again (hopefully ever!) until you possibly need that info.

I'm in NYC at least 4 days a week. I never get the "fear". The only thing I worry about is getting run down by a cabbie. if some freak wants to blow shit up, hes going to do it, so why fucking worry?

i think it's pretty rational not to trust roller coasters - their primary audience is composed of people without the power to regulate them and without much interest in doing so, and the frequency with which accidents occur seems to bear that out.

btw, my post that ian initially quoted wasn't really about terror stuff, rather the way our economy is going to run aground due to 100% American Know-How, just in time for my dotage.

people's extraordinary mishandling of the "let people off before you get on" rule
brooding about this pretty much takes up all my time on the subway, so no time for fear.

It is pretty ridiculous how discourteous people are on that issue.

You should how they are trying to pile onto the elevators at Roosevelt Avenue/Jackson Heights.

Supposed to be for the handicapped and presumably people with strollers, but apparently it is also for people with small shopping bags or the generally lazy. Especially for them.

hay gabbneb i know you don't venture down much but if you've ever been on the u square nqrw platform you'd realize that the staircase is in the MIDDLE and the area to the side of it between the stairs and the tracks is equal on both sides. as for the don't wear heels crack, they are kind of unavoidable for women with jobs.

anyway my main point was i fear falling onto the tracks wayyyy more than terrorist attacks.

2) if you do walk next to the stairs, walk in the same direction as the train so everyone sees you

THIS IS IDIOTIC. GABBNEB. WTF. THINK. I AM GOING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AS THE TRAINS. GOING THE OTHER WAY WOULD INVOLVE LEAVING THE STATION. YOUR ADVICE IS "DON'T WALK WHERE YOU'RE GOING, TRY GOING SOMEPLACE ELSE." THIS ISN'T HELPING.

But so yeah, oh man, my main issue lately is pedestrian rage at cabs who take turns through walk signals, yes. I often get angry and hit them. Once I smacked the window of a cab that nearly hit me, and I was disappointed that people on the street just looked at me like I was a psycho -- they should have been on my side. But later another cab did it and I kicked his bumper, and he honked angrily at me, and a bunch of people on the street started yelling at him: "No, you're WRONG!"
And then a few weeks ago a cab did this and I actually had to JUMP out of the way, like leap out of his path, and so he stopped and rolled down the window and was LAUGHING and was like "oh, sorry, my bad, I didn't see you" -- seriously, all "oops, la dee da, I almost ran you over with a car." I was so shocked that by the time I decided to spit at him, he'd already gone on.

xp re heels being unavoidable: Well not precisely, my boss never wears heels, but she's a middle-aged Jewish lady who is HOPELESSLY exactly what she is. I mean if you don't want to look stylistically retarded some potentially impractical shoe is almost required, whether it's heels or slippery flat dress shoes or what have you.

true, many flats can be v. slippery, too.

9/11 taught us never get to work early, and there's no danger of that w/ the F train.

cabs bad, cyclists worse. i have at least a couple of near-misses each day with bikers who think that it's a-ok to plow through a red light into a crossing filled with pedestrians.

From your side maybe, Morbius, from my side the F is like a rocket.

yeah! mad props to people who can ride their bikes everywhere but why do they think traffic signals do not apply to them?!

fucken bergen street man

okay guys -- i'm going to be headed to the city with my wonderful beardo boyfriend for a week at the end of february, and while i think i'll be able to stay with friends for some of the time (ian?), i am looking into HOTELS for at least a couple nights so we can have some time alone. any recommendations? looking for clean, affordable, and decent location.

i'll say it yet again - hotel 17.

looking for clean, affordable, and decent location.

Pick two.

clean & affordable are the biggest priorities, i guess.

http://www.hotel17ny.com/

safe, clean if not luxe, great location, should be less than $120/night.

I stayed in Hotel 17 for a week in December - I'd recommend it. It is clean, warm, cheap and a stone's throw from Union Square. Also kind of quirky in that it clearly hasn't been redecorated since 1973.

i've never stayed at a hotel with shared bathrooms -- i don't expect it matters too much, does it?

Well I dunno, I live with 6 people, it basically can't be worse than home.

check http://bedbugregistry.com/ before booking any hotels/hostels (you should probably just stay with friends, though)

i was going to recommend the sohotel, it was clean, reasonably priced, and with a private bathroom but since it's let it's domain name lapse i'm guessing maybe they're out of business?

linds, i don't want to annoy any friends with sex noise. it's gonna be his birthday during the trip so i want it to be at least somewhat private & **romantical**.

you can pay more for a private bath, iirc, but perhaps that negates some of the savings. still, anything under $200 here is a major bargain.

i have stayed at the marcel for v. cheap before - and it was nice and kind of romantic! i also once got a room at the hilton on priceline for $100/night. i still think priceline is incredible if you know how to work it.

Not to sound totally trivial, I always wonder if the fatalities would have been even worse on 9/11 had the Giants not been playing Monday Night Football the night before. God knows when my team's playing, I'm not at work on time. Plus, there was a mayoral primary that day, people may have been voting.

hotel chelsea: ok or stay away?

stay up for days

only for murder/suicide

FWIW the shared bathrooms at Hotel 17 were modern and clean and not in too much demand. Pretty much felt like using a nice bathroom in a house.

hotel 17 looking like the best option so far

hay gabbneb i know you don't venture down much but if you've ever been on the u square nqrw platform you'd realize that the staircase is in the MIDDLE and the area to the side of it between the stairs and the tracks is equal on both sides.

i go thru usq every day, i'm fully aware of the stair setup, and it's exactly what i'm referring to. you can get down the stairs and wait for the train immediately there without walking next to the stairs. if you want to wait at a different point on the train, you can sometimes avoid people by walking on the far side of the platform.

depending on how much more it is, i'd probably skip the chelsea. it's a bit tattier than the photos (standard rooms are, at least), although that's the case with most places i suppose.

and it's exactly what i'm referring to.

Then why the hell would you suggest walking on the other side of the stairs to avoid the train-lookers SINCE THE TRAINS ARRIVE FROM THE SAME DIRECTION ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PLATFORM.

also genius: i have to walk through the entire length of that platform to transfer trains! walking beside stairs is unavoidable.

cabs bad, cyclists worse.

i was crossing 8th avenue with the light and this guy came barreling through the intersection on a bike, headed against traffic, and screeched a few inches from hitting me, then started yelling at me, "man watch where you're going!" i was sort of stunned for a second and then registered the situation and yelled back at him "you're on a BIKE going the WRONG WAY through a RED LIGHT on a ONE-WAY street!" i also find yelling at cars very therapeutic.

Then why the hell would you suggest walking on the other side of the stairs to avoid the train-lookers SINCE THE TRAINS ARRIVE FROM THE SAME DIRECTION ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PLATFORM.

AT DIFFERENT TIMES, GENIUS. WHEN YOU ARE WAITING FOR A TRAIN, SOMETIMES THE TRAIN ON THE OTHER SIDE HAS ALREADY LEFT, ERGO THERE ARE NO/FEWER PEOPLE ON THAT SIDE.

also genius: i have to walk through the entire length of that platform to transfer trains! walking beside stairs is unavoidable.

oh sorry, i don't talk the under-30 train

wow that's a great comeback for everything you've said on this thread being completely retarded!

you guys get so het up!

okay guys -- i'm going to be headed to the city with my wonderful beardo boyfriend for a week at the end of february, and while i think i'll be able to stay with friends for some of the time (ian?), i am looking into HOTELS for at least a couple nights so we can have some time alone. any recommendations? looking for clean, affordable, and decent location.

-- elmo argonaut, Wednesday, 16 January 2008 17:34 (1 hour ago) Link

I guess this depends on your definition of affordable, but have you looked at the Courtyard Marriott in Jersey City? It's certainly clean, it's on top of a PATH station from whence you can get to World Trade Center in 5 minutes or various other locations in Manhattan in 10-15 minutes. It's probably not cheap, but I'm sure it's a lot cheaper than equivalent hotels in Manhattan. And even though the neighborhood it's in is a bit sterile, it's right on the Hudson and next to, uh, a Starbucks, a decent sushi place and a few other restaurants and bars.

why would anybody want to stay in Jersey City?

I dunno, maybe the $300-400 average nightly cost of Manhattan hotels and the quickness of the PATH ride?

Is there any evidence that gabbneb is anything other than a troll at this point? I'm not seeing it.

why would anybody want to live on the upper east side?
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speaking of dreams, where is that Gay Bomb we heard about a few months ago? As long as it doesn't make men wax their asses and believe J.Timberlake makes great records...

-- Dr Morbius, Tuesday, 15 January 2008 23:02 (Yesterday) Link

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8426/68c7pkoge8.jpg

i thought that was gonna be a jhoshea! lols

Wait that doesn't work, Dyke Slope isn't even affected.

jhosjea just escaped the bicurious zone.
godspeed.

it's a bit out of the way, hurting. i don't think i'll be wanting to trek to jersey city after a night of boozing.

I dunno, maybe the $300-400 average nightly cost of Manhattan hotels and the quickness of the PATH ride?

you can stay in a number of parts of Manhattan, including right across from Jersey City, for $200-250/night, and at another place repeatedly mentioned on this thread for substantially less than that

can't say he didn't try

Jus tryin ta be helpful (tips hat bashfully)

oh man i'm in the initial gay blast zone

Newton Hotel, 95th and Broadway. Relatively cheap, nice room

i am hot and bothered. perhaps i will be spared!

Ground Zero looks like Metropolitan! already too gay!

If you were going to lots of stuff in Chelsea, maybe, or in the West Vil, you could maybe justify staying in JC, because I dunno about afford + clean in those neighborhoods...but Elmo I'm guessing is going to be mostly downtown and/or in Brooklyn, so the PATH would be a trek.

i was on the bqe driving to la guardia and noticed all these hotels had sprung up near mc carren park. wtf?

inevitable

mccarren? like what?

La Joiletteee. When I first moved off Lorimer there as nothing there - now you can get your very own room over the BQE for $300/night. Rooms facing the giant rat graffiti 400/night

The Newton's in a decent area, I stayed in a queen size for $200. right on the 1/9 too

It's too late for me to jump in here, isn't it. Thought so.

also will be looking for fun stuff to do while in town. anything notable happening during the last week of feb?

You're in NYC, dude.

annual Hell's Kitchen turnip festival

bill, why be a dick? come on, now.

That was poorly posted, I know. Mea culpa-enjoy your time here. seriously though, check the Newton, it's reasonable and well located

answering my own question: matmos on the 23rd! awesome

:D :D

o wheres?

I guess this would also be a good place to ask: What do you guys think is the absolute best NYC live show listing site on the net?

Haha who said New Yorkers were rude

http://www.ohmyrockness.com/ShowList.cfm

I would also like to note for the record that I enter the Times Square uptown 1/2 platform at the very top end of it, and you HAVE to walk down to the middle, because all the tourists walk down and crowd up at the top end, and if you stay there you will never manage to squeeze onto a train.

btw I hate Oh My Rockness

whatev you do that week, elmo, do NOT watch the Oscars in a gay bar. It's been two years and I'm still traumatized.

hat do you guys think is the absolute best NYC live show listing site on the net?

for garage, punk, and garage-punk you can't go wrong with victim of time.

Oh hey I didn't know about that one, I was trolling the band sites on myspace every few weeks.

wow, the queers are still going.

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/5453/onthetowndual01262497qx0.jpg

haha

wow, the queers are still going.

i know i had this conversation last week how i remember seeing them when i was 15. amazing how somethings can last forever by never, ever varying from the script.

nyhappenings still has some decent postings, but will return to unbeatable relevance and usefulness upon completion of nyhappenings 2.0

all those HO-TELS by mccarren are CONDOS.

I don't think La Jolie or whatever is.

Oh, I was thinking immediately surrounding Mccarren. I hear La Jolie is classeeey, with bulletproof glass at reception and everything.

if you're into theatre, you can get some decent advance discount broadway tix thru here - http://www.broadwayoffers.com/ (enter code save13). the best deal is $26.50 tix for the homecoming.

http://www.carnegiehall.org/article/box_office/events/evt_9678.html?selecteddate=02282008

https://www.ovationtix.com/trs/pr/27131

http://jazzstandard.net/red/secondary/jazzCalendar2.html - see 2/25

I didn't know Omer Avital played the oud too.

http://www.nycitycenter.org/events/event_detail.cfm?event_code=TAY08

http://www.amnh.org/rose/specials/

So how did Pies n Thighs turn out tonight guys? are you all still wasted at the rockstar bar??

For lunch I had a chicken biscuit, a pulled pork sandwich, and a d cup of collard greens.

gabbneb, are you suggesting going to the Cool Kids and MC Kid Sister show?

i got a chicken biscuit on the way to work today
DELISHHH

ian brought me half a chicken biscuit tonight, it was several hours old but better than never having one again ever wahhhhhhhhhhh

i generally like the P&T but last time there was an inexplicable 45 minute wait for a pulled pork sandwich without it seeming particularly busy.

i am looking into HOTELS for at least a couple nights so we can have some time alone. any recommendations? looking for clean, affordable, and decent location

what's a decent location?

Anyway I've stayed in - Hotel 31, (which I believe is similar to Hotel 17 but further up if that's where you prefer), and the Chelsea Star. The Chelsea Star is right next to the MSG and is cheap and cheerful, a favourite I noticed with the younger people. It also has optional apartemnt type rooms with built in kitchens.

we got FREE food -- after waiting from 6:15 til 8 for them to reopen tho. Tiny plates necessitated return to line.

They did a lot of take-out & delivery business, I think -- the people eating at the bar were by no means representative of their kitchen load.

also maybe the pork was still being pulled when you ordered?

mini chicken biscuits forever!!!

oh man i am sad that i missed out on that.
but i did get to eat thai food last night that it was so spicy it made me hallucinate. seriously!

i love how all nyc threads, even apocalyptic ones, devolve into drinking and food chat.

went to dressler last week, had the venison: a+++++

It's our natural equilibrium xp

i love how all nyc threads, even apocalyptic ones, devolve into drinking and food chat.

same goes for chi and dc threads. everyone needs to eat and drink.

i rly wanna go to dressler

is it nice inside?

for yr last pre-apocalypse meal.

i go to lupa tonite :)

JEALOUS! Maybe I have Indian for lunch again to quiet my food jealousy.

Then I make bolognese sauce this wkend with wonderful, wonderful MEATLOAF MIX FROM THE KEY FOODS ON GRAND ST.

ooh you finally found a good mix! nice :)

it is v. nice (dressler)

I just learned of the existence of lupa this week. Looks good!

laurel, i'm glad that key foods worked out for you. i was afraid i might be sending you on a wild goose chase.

i also really want to try dressler, but going to lupa tonight will do for me for the time being.

laurel i also noticed that c-town by me sells a 3-pack of meats.

Thank you, Lauren! I finally stumbled across that grocery while desperate for cider for rum drinks, and it was on the bus route home. It's on the pricey side for staples but good cheese, bread, olive, etc selections that ghetto grocery is lacking.

I have already drunk the red wine for cooking, tho, and will have to uh buy more. Life is hard.

Hey I just had a last min cancellation from one of my dining partners. Anyone want to join us at lupa tonite? Lauren, would Al want to go?

other plans. maybe try calling yerac?

txted her!

That's who texted me! I don't have that number for you in my phone and it was weirdly literate for a text message so it kind of freaked me out since I had no clue what Lupa was.

Key Foods bags say "Proudly Made in the U.S.A." on them

crabby air in new york!

i don't know if it was the weather or what, but widespread crabbiness at playgroup yesterday. toddlers are sort of like cattle you know, they can sense things. so keep an eye out for crabbiness. it could happen to you.

ahhhh sorry yerac! i changed # a few months ago and all my old #s were imported but i can't remember who has new # and who doesn't!

Tell us about dinner!!

tipsy, do crabby toddlers make more noise? I'm guessing yes.

I make less noise when I'm crabby, as long as no one jostles, thwarts, or otherwise disturbs me. But since parents spend most of their time thwarting their toddlers, as I recall, the little bundles of joy/snot are probably a right circus.

dinner was delicious. i had oxtail stew, tehresa had tagliatelle with pork shoulder ragu.

crabby toddlers can be noisy but mostly they're edgy. everything seems fine until some particular thing goes wrong, and then it's total meltdown with no warning. (kind of like some bosses i've had.) but it's sunny today so i anticipate reduced chances of crabbiness.

there was a crabby baby at lupa last night. he was noisy.

but his footie pajamas kind of made it ok

totally. if i hadn't noticed that detail i would have been much less sympathetic.

Howso? Made him less crabby? Provided cuteness diversionary maneuver?
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the world needs more babies.

i guess babies are noise

not screaming ones in restaurants. still, i was able to think "how cute - footie pajamas!" for a few seconds instead of "keep it at home, people!"

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i am really not a baby fancier. :(

add adorability of footies distracted from crying, yes
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also lauren, what was that wine? i loved it!

i just read that david foster wallace piece in harpers abt the baby. that baby is not noise.

(hi guys)

hi rrrobyn!

larry david foster wallace meh

t, it was an aglianico. looking at their wine list online, which is a bit different from the actual list at the restaurant, i think it was aglianico del vulture. our was 2003.

LD >>>>>> DFW, and I'm not even a big LD fan.

also, babies are awesome. i just feel bad for them when they are unhappy in inconvenient public places. they just want to be comfy.

I agree, it's the parents stupidity that causes the disruption. The baby's blameless

true... it obviously wasn't his choice to go out to dinner. look, i wasn't blaming the baby!

guys i met a baby a couple weeks ago who was like 11 mos. old and so pleasant and quiet and engaged it made me rethink for a second my personal thoughts on babies (don't want one).

watch out - i think that's how it starts.

yep

well it starts another way too

I don't think Elmo needs to worry about that.

Babies are pretty great, man. I am not a baby-fancier per the usual but I have to admit over the holidays you could distract me for hours with our newest family member.

oh because i heard he has a cloning machine made out of oscillators and old band t-shirts
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http://www.mchenrycountyblog.com/uploaded_images/4th-Little-kids-in-red%2C-white-and-blue-hats-with-empty-candy-buckets-726994.jpg

http://www.watermelon.org/images/LBTDWatermelonTeeShirt.jpg

Can I get this in a size for my toddler???

i don't think i have to worry about having babies of my own seeing as my dad and his girlfriend are expecting another one!! jeez. this will bring the sibling total to 8.

ian -- yea i think so!

having a kid makes me sympathetic to other ppl w/kids in public places, but only up to a point. (which is usually a totally subjective standard of "well, i'd do that differently...") double-wide strollers, e.g. = too much.

double-wide strollers, e.g. = too much.
a-hem. excuse me.

the people who brought the baby were doing everything "right" - early reservation, casual-ish restaurant, actually bothered to take him outside when he really fussed - so i wasn't, like, fuming. it's just a crapshoot with kids.

Aw poor parents. They tried, it sounds like. It's a crapshoot esp in early baby life b/c infants are actually GOOD travelers/diners, usually? I've heard that you're more likely to get long stretches of sleeping, quiet baby in the first few months.

KL, are you saying you DON'T wear two Snugglies at once and carry one baby on front, one on back like a seahorse???? DISAPPOINTED OVER HERE.

I saw pictures of that, Laurel, but I don't know exactly how old those kids are or what kind of marshmallow sidewalks their parents are walking over.

Newspaper taxis appear on the shore

Ha.

I guess this guy's got it covered
http://www.russettweb.com/slings/twin-2onhip.jpg

a-hem. excuse me.

no no that's fine, just go ahead and park that right there while you answer your phone. everybody else on the sidewalk can wait. i shouldn't bitch too much, our three-wheeler is sort of beastish. but i try really hard not to block traffic.

Yours have to be a few years old by this time, actually, about time they walked their own damn selves. xp

I have a general problem with parents who do not accept the idea that they can't do all the same shit they used to do while just happening to bring a stroller full of baby along.

That said, I'm not a parent yet and will probably increase my sympathy for them once I am.

plz stay out of restaurants and theaters til the kid's ten.

{joek, sort of]

Hi dere you're eating at Lupa while raising a child you can probably afford a babysitter for 2 hours.

otm. we take kid to a family-friendly diner (which has a big area in back for stroller parking), but not much else. although when he was infant-size and slept most of the time, we did take him to some other places.

great thing now is that he loves the subway, and he's big enough to walk the few blocks to the station, so we can take weekend outings to wherever w/no stroller, the longer the subway ride the better.

I recently watched a toddler on the subway stand and lick a window for a really long time, mentally begging her parents to notice before I started to feel responsibility in the affair.

that reminds me of a story i heard on sports radio in boston about 10-15 years ago about a kid who had apparently never seen a urinal cake before. let's just say it involved the phrase "i ate the big mint".

oh bostonpaws / sportspaws

if it was Fenway Park, he's achieved adulthood.

i do agree with you on that point, hurting. the couple appeared to be pretty well-off, and while i agree with the view that kids benefit from being taken out and learning how to behave in restaurants, a six month old isn't going to get anything fro the experience.

if it was Fenway Park, he's achieved adulthood.

that it was.

at least the mom didn't whip out her breast and let the child go to town at the table. this seems to be an ONLY IN PARK SLOPE phenomenon.

and god forbid if you mention that you find that a bit offputting. i had an otherwise reasonable friend bite my head off, suggesting that i was a closet misogynist for saying that i would prefer not to see that.

all the exhibitionist breastfeeding in the world won't help when the apocalypse comes! what do they think of THAT

at least the mom didn't whip out her breast and let the child go to town at the table

PRIMI

i don't have a problem with breast feeding in public as long as the mother has the decency to have a blanket on hand for privacy purposes. flopping out a tit is just crass.

It's like the difference between softly blowing your nose into a tissue and firing a snot-rocket onto the floor.

btw, i'm not talking about any public place. i'm talking about places that are close quarters.

I am declining to fight with you all on a lovely thread. :D

I've seen a lot worse things than a flopping nursing breast in public places, nearly all of them from my fellow sodomites.

I recently watched a toddler on the subway stand and lick a window for a really long time

our last subway excursion included a little licking of a subway handrail. oh well. gotta build up the immune system somehow.

and i'm around kids so much these days that nursing moms registers with me about like someone breaking out a peanut butter sandwich.

(i try not to stare at peanut butter sandwiches too)

I am declining to fight with you all on a lovely thread. :D

-- Laurel, Friday, January 18, 2008 2:02 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Link

i mean, not really, i guess, but nursing in public just gets a shrug and a whatever from me. bring a blanket, obv, but if the kid's hungry, i'd rather s/he went after it than start screaming about being hungry. they're babies, sucking boobs is basically their job

also i'm a big softy when it comes to kids and babies. and while i can't claim to have parenting-level experience, i've spent enough quality, professional time with packs of screaming children that they're either pleasant or just background noise

see I have a theory that the kids and babies are never the real source of annoyance- it's the parents that actually piss people off

rolling new york 2008: terrorism, food and babies

see I have a theory that the kids and babies are never the real source of annoyance- it's the parents that actually piss people off

-- El Tomboto, Friday, January 18, 2008 4:15 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

a doi. if a kid is going bananas in public there's probably at least a 50/50 chance it's because the parent doesn't really know what the hell they're doing.

as a parent there's always at least a 50/50 chance i don't know what the hell i'm doing.

oh i know it's tough! (how tough, obv, is beyond me.) just that sometimes a kid is being a pain because, like, he or she is cold or hungry or needs a nap and M&D should cotton on, and sometimes it's because mr poopypants showed up and that really isn't anyone's fault

I was thinking more about the way parents make people who aren't parents feel in general, whether they're doing a bad job of it or not. seeing a parent with a kid in public, if they're having a good day, it makes you vaguely envious of the stability and affection that must inform their life; if they're having a bad one, it's like a subway beggar, an unpleasant reminder you can't ignore

I'm a bit scared to bring Aidan out now when we're over.....

but then again, I'm buggered if I'm going to miss out on great food for the sake of the slight off chance of upsetting someone if he gets hungry, everything can be done in a *very* discreet manner if you know how, really. And if he starts bawling in a restaurant? We get the hell out of dodge asap, I guess we're fortunate to have some very family friendly places near us, but we'll still bail if he's upset.

I'm hoping to take him to Otto (thanks for the tip guys) and lab di gelato, so someting we can all enjoy.

As for affording a babysitter? yes, maybe, but not practical if yr breastfeeding really is it?

sometimes a kid is being a pain because, like, he or she is cold or hungry or needs a nap and M&D should cotton on

yeah there's definitely times where we push it -- take him out for too long, to too many places or whatever, or the weather's shitty (although he likes shitty weather) and he gets tired and cranky and i can't blame him, it's not his fault. so in those cases we just duck and cover and try to get home asap.

absolutely OTM Tipsy, will you be around in March?

we're always around. we can't go anywhere!

Re breastfeeding, my nephew is about 3 months old and my sister can pump and then work about a 5-hour waitressing shift before she has to go home and nurse. I'm sure someone who really wanted could manage a dinner? But the cost of sitter and other things still issues, of course.

i first read that as "Re breastfeeding my nephwew" which made me o_O because i'm all for helping out a sister and all but...

Laurel, you're right it should be easy enough but I'm feeding one sided and so pumping isn't an option, and believe me, if I could manage it I would because much as I love Aidan the thought of a couple of hours off sounds like heaven.

Oh bother -- sorry, Vicky!

No worries, I'm sure plenty of people would say just give him a bottle of formula!

Sebastien won't take the bottle from my sister at all! If dinner is bottled then someone else has to feed him.

Would there be a good place maybe for a baby-friendly daytime FAP type thing in March?

i could do a babyfap lunch, depending on the day.

Cool, we'll post someting when we know what we might be doing.

are you guys scheduling armageddon in your fancy parent codes

fear the babyfap.

tiny hands across the water........

oh, dear. i hope i didn't cause any offense to the family porkpie.

hush, no. Is fine.

Does anyone else do the ugly baby face whenever they show the newborn on Friday Night Lights? Or am I the only one watching that show? Ugly babies crack me up.

I am so not into baby culture. All my friends or relatives who have newborns, I end up getting their travel books because they won't be going anywhere for 12 years.

I do love that Rody for kids though.

haha, terrorism fear morphs into parenting thread -- COINCIDENCE?

I really draw the line at vaginal mega-closeups.

-- Dr Morbius, Friday, January 18, 2008 3:03 PM (Friday, January 18, 2008 3:03 PM) Bookmark Link

haha, terrorism fear morphs into parenting thread -- COINCIDENCE?

-- Dr Morbius, Saturday, 19 January 2008 17:13 (2 hours ago) Link

I DON'T WANNA DIE ALONE, DADDY.

VAGINAL MEGA CLOSEUPS

health alert: is there some kind of PINKEYE EPIDEMIC in nyc? a couple people in my office are out with conjunctivitis, and my kid woke up today with his right eye reddish and gunky.

developing...

I'm not trying to hear this, gypsy mothra!

wash yr hands! don't rub yr eyes!

That's like trying to ask... never mind.

Does anyone else do the ugly baby face whenever they show the newborn on Friday Night Lights?

YES. that baby is really weird looking

Not that I know of, J. But I learned a couple of years ago that "pink eye" isn't a particular virus or bacteria, it's really just a name for ANY infectious irritation of the conjunctiva (that "surface of the eye" to you). Anyway my boss refused to let me come to work without a doctor's note and seemed to think that I could get drops ON THE SPOT that would make it not-contagious. Like magic! Which is not at all the case with a virus, of course.

It turned out I just had a scratch and not an infection at all.

Yeah, I just confirmed with my itchy google finger what Laurel says, that there is no particular agent.

yah. my wife heard that this particular affliction is bacterial, fwiw. (i don't know where she heard that, health information just seems to sort of appear.) kid's going to the doc for a looksee. as for laurel's boss, grr. in my own supervisory stint i was always trying to keep people from coming in sick. rather have one person out for a few days than 5 people out the next week.

(and i've gotten almost irrational about now that i have a kid. don't come to work sick! i don't care if it's just a sniffle! your sniffle means i'm gonna be mopping up kidsnot for a week.)

oh i wish you were my boss. i promise i wouldn't abuse your good nature except for when i have a REALLY bad hangover

Pinkeye Dinkeye Doo.

ROLLING NEW YORK 2008: I Don't Wanna Be Here When the Giant Baby Sea Turtle Monster Drops

Haha she doesn't have kids but she's the same about sickness! It's just that she was ultimately wrong that there was any one cure for my apparent "pink eye", and she kept insisting STRENUOUSLY that my doctor (who was Korean and a combined Eastern/Western practitioner) was a kook and RONG and she made me go to the optometrist in the same morning. Two co-pays! I wouldn't put up with that again, I shd have just gone home.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/02/nyregion/02machinegun.html?_r=1&bl&ex=1202101200&en=deac334204f54d3a&ei=5087%0A&oref=slogin

FEELING MUCH SAFER THANK YOU NYPD/BUSH/RUDY!!!

As if the 20 cops who stand around the subway station entrance staring at you like you're Osama bin Laden wasn't enough.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0805,tucker,78874,2.html

^ thank you nypd!

nothing so soothing as the sight of an m4 rifle

this ipod is a pipe bomb

we invade this wednesday, don't know how soon we'll get into manhattan as for one thing we want to get some shopping out the way (ie making the most of our healthy pound at Woodbury Common to clothe Aidan).

I have the free pass for the 11th so I can come in for the Liverpool game and lots of photography while wandering (and eating, lots of eating)

Anyone know of anything unmissable coming up in the next couple of weeks?

i just don't wanna be under a river when the bomb drops

-- mookieproof, Saturday, January 12, 2008 7:31 PM (1 month ago) Bookmark Link

^^^ safer than a bridge, rite?

pp, this is happening on the night of the 11th:

http://nymag.com/daily/food/2008/02/global_grub_abounds_at_voice_c_1.html

oh WAU.

not to sound dense, but when you go to one of those things do you basically just pay the door fee and then you get to walk around to different vendors and get as many little tasting portions as you want?

i think being underwater is scarier than being on a bridge in a claustrophobic, buried alive kinda way

yea asphyxiation underground / underwater / from fumes sounds a lot less fun that being incinerated or plummeting to your death

hurting, i have no idea. kind of worried that it will be a clusterfuck, but we're gonna find out.

daer metroptlitan diary
who would have thought! homeless man returned my check i dropped. to the sunspa next door. jenny from sunspa slipped it under my door. thanks jenny! thanks homeless man! thanks new york!

i would clusterfuck with all of this food vendors

what if "the bomb" goes off in, say, pittsburgh or denver instead?!?

residents of those fair cities would be more than welcome to start their own threads.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01122009/photos/news019a.jpg

park slope otm

Tottenville also OTM for like 50% of NYC.

I don't believe that 18% number for a second.

btw, didn't I read that NYC Health Dingdongs classify you as a "binge drinker" if you have 5 drinks in a night, even ONCE a year? At last a club we can all belong to.

what part of PS is 11217 anyway? neighborhood creep.

50% of NYC is not dominated by twentysomethings

so looks like chelsea residents = damaged goods.

gays fyi