who's the richest motherfucker posting on this board?

i have no idea about his finances, but michael white is probably the classiest.

http://healthcare.zdnet.com/images/not-me.jpg

I may be poor in material wealth, but I'm also deeply impoverished of spirit.

Thanks for the compliment, remy, but I'm sure I'm not even close to being in the top tier, money-wise.

sometimes i imagine alex in nyc posting from a throne of melted guitars

sometimes i imagine alex in nyc posting from a throne of melted guitars souls

-- remy bean, Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:26 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Alex in NYC also hasn't been employed since last summer.

zing

whoever it is, its someone who's not posting from work and/or unemployed

(uh no need for the "and" there wtf with me today)

thanks for sharing, jaymc

Gotta be someone british.

This is kind of an impolite quesrtion, goodness.

What Class Are You?

who's the fattest?

impolite because i used 'motherfucker'? or impolite because i want to know who's got lootbags?

tombot

xpost, or is it

IT IS AWESOME TO HAVE A LOT OF MONEY, NOT EMBARRASSING

you need a loan,remy?

heave ho used HTML playground to build vast celebrity image fortune

greggel puzzleworth
mark c
barima?

all the richies i can think of are prob britishers

tombot & dan perry definitely have mentioned making good money (6 figures?) also gabbneb. but salary is only part of the picture, who has the big ol' trustfund?

follow the trail of crumbs

yeah, who's got the old moneys

ed?

that leads to the noize board
xxpost

this is all gonna end in tears

bling tears of three caret diamond

this is all gonna end in tears

oh, you and your powerful loonies

Hmm, remy, my parents drilled it into my head SO MUCH that you never, ever, ever ask about anyone's earnings that it is like speaking the name of Y-HW-H to me. Also never to use arcade games. So those things still make me uncomfortable.

ned?

roxymuzak is the richest person in the world. the girl doesnt work and seems to have endless 20 dollar bills to buy lime tortilla chips with.

^^

marry that girl

that's terrible (about the arcade games).

ned?

I highly doubt it.

Abbott, nobody is obligated to answer.

taking question literally, Ian whatshisname

I'm just a stiff who drives a school bus these days, but I do own my own home and own both cars ('94 Honda and '97 Subaru) outright. My wife and I have no debts. Zero.

This amplifies what would otherwise be a pretty meager income (somewhat below the USA median) into something better than just adequate. Not a whole lot better, but way better than most of ILXors.

i am not the richest motherfucker on this board

The correct answer is "Fluffy Bear Hearts Rainbows".

OMG Aimless how is it to drive a school bus? Also, do you smoke?

I don't fuck my mother, so I'm out of the running too.

aimless all my sitting has not helped me not-envy you.

I think "who's comfortable/uncomfortable talking about it?" is at least as interesting a question as "who's got it?"

My parents have stashed away some for me in a trust fund, but I don't know how much, or when I'm supposed to get it. I think they set it up mainly to protect some of their assets from my dopefiend brother.

So my answer is: uh, not me.

definitely not rich. my parents are reasonably well-off, but I have some student and credit card debt and don't make much money (enough, but not tons).

It'll be awesome if I can someday say I'm the world's oldest trustafarian as well as the Last Baby Boomer.

I think "who's comfortable/uncomfortable talking about it?" is at least as interesting a question as "who's got it?"

This is true. Another interesting question is "Do you feel you are overpaid/adequately paid/underpaid for the work you do?"

I'm probably overpaid.

within 10 yrs i'm gonna own you all

individual or household income?

momus?!

xxXXpost - I AM UNDERPAID LIKE CRAZY

OMG Aimless how is it to drive a school bus? Also, do you smoke?

Smoke? I smoked from age 17 to age 30. I quit smoking 23 years ago. I had tempting thoughts of smoking for almost ten years after quitting. They haven't bothered me since then.

The answer to the first Q is a whole 'nother thread, and I am not sure it merits that treatment. Short answer: It's OK. I get summers off so I can hike.

i don't think momus makes any money

i am pretty underpaid but i work at an awesome company with amazing people and i love my job so I'm cool with it.

Perhaps - but he's probably the most aristocratic in temperament.

xpost

aimless all my sitting has not helped me not-envy you.

You misspelled 'admire'. ;)

The less enviable parts of my life I do not parade around on ILx. Some day, maybe, but I've kept that policy for a good 7 years or more, so I doubt I will find a good reason to reverse course on that.

he probably gets the most ass tho

My grandfather invented binder clips, so ...

i invented the post-it

Tombot mentioned wanting to make six figures "again" so he's def not making the most right now.

i get a serious "old money" vibe from him. mainly since it appears he doesn't work much or anything.

him=momus

probably one of the lawyers make the most

is there anyone on ilx who has won a fuckload of money from a lawsuit/settlement?

or california-style divorce?

who is richest in ass

what is rich? current salary? col adjusted? current assets? expected assets? earnings potential? at what costs (housing, family, health, etc)? over what lifespan?

I have a guess as to the answer (not me), ignoring inherited wealth, but while I don't have a problem discussing money, I don't know why people discuss personal lives on here.

mookieproof's post at the top of this thread kinda cracks me up

i still want to know who is fattest!

Underpaid/overpaid is such a weird question. I mean, considering that other people of my age, education, and skill level get paid lots more than I do for jobs that aren't necessarily more challenging, then I would say that I'm underpaid. But considering how much I slack off at this job, I would say that I'm overpaid. I dunno. I understand that publishing is not a particularly lucrative endeavor, so I'm happy to make what I make at a job that I don't hate.

who is richest in ass

Steatopygously speaking? Ally claims she is.

I can't believe we're actually going into this, but, umm, I always assumed Momus was working largely on grants and art money (hence lots of speaking engagements, gallery shows, museum performances, etc.)

He is a public figure so I don't feel weird discussing that.

P.S. I am fattest, geez, leave it alone

who is the richest in ass-getting?

i 0wn you all but it's not quite the same thing

I underpay myself, which makes it frustrating because it's difficult to figure out who to be angry at.

To answer the thread question, def not me.

xxxxxxpost: i took a pass on a dominos personal injury lawsuit during the golden "30 minutes or its free era" because i thought it was creepy/skeezy/immoral to sue beyond my initial medical costs. this means i am an idiot, in retrospect.

You used to 0wn us all, but we were taken away from you, hahaaaa. xp

I don't know, Momus wrote that thing about how great it is to live in a tiny house with no possessions but a tube bed and a laptop and to check everything out at the library. That doesn't really scream "$$$$" to me.

Abbott, are you more busted than Remy?

momus asks his sycophantic internet friends for paypal donations so if he does have cash he is completely shameless

I can't remember, when we had dinner, if we split the bill, or it was on Momus, or it was on me

Replace "dinner" with "gansha" in that sentence and it's really funny.

you guys, the answer is me.

Totally not surprising if true.

i don't think momus has any $$$ either. he has (young, female) "patrons."

yes it does. living like that means you KEEP money instead of blowing it on cheetos and beer

xp re: momus

In terms of earned income, I'm probably in the bottom 10% of ILX.

But I made several thousand this year from fantasy baseball/football and gambling, so I have enough money to spend some on consumer bullshit, but not enough to cut back on work and go back to school or anything.

Random Google-Founder

Totally not me, especially if you factor in debt.

I'm alright discussing personal finances/wealth/debt with others - the problems arise when some people take whatever you're talking about as a discussion of something other than objective facts. Like taking the statement that my wife and I have this savings plan or have that much in our respectivce 401Ks as us bragging or talking about how well we're doing, etc.

I would say that discussing the particulars of your finances should really only be done with family and VERY close friends, if at all outside the fam.

I personally am from the "We really don't talk about that type of thing" school.

momus asks his sycophantic internet friends for paypal donations so if he does have cash he is completely shameless

-- bell_labs, Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:07 PM (19 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

this is kind of typical wealthy behavior

"really" being the functional limiter on that sentence

i can understand not being comfortable talking about having money on this board. there are a lot of rich haters here.

uh..people who hate rich people, i mean

if you factor in future inheritance, it could be me, but i won't be seeing any of that for another 30 years or so (knock on wood).

But I made several thousand this year from fantasy baseball/football and gambling

wow! that, like the opposite of some people i know!
you signing up for the ilbb fantasy this year?

God, I hope not.

haha jw I meant "working for a big company" again, not "making six figures" again. I haven't stopped making six figures since I got this position, I'm just switching employers which in my case is resulting in an effective 23.5% raise

which is a big pile of steaming bullshit on all y'all taxpayers but I make up for it by living in DC and robbing myself of any sort of meaningful capability as regards participation in the democratic process

Damn. Tom be making loot.

Making 6 figures is no guarantee of rich, fwiw. I earn a comparative lot of $$, but I have shitloads of debt: from a divorce where I got all the debt and no assets, from paying massive chunks of my children's and step-children's higher education, from being an over-generous spendthrift. I also own no real property, drive a paid-for 6 year old car, and am cashing out my 401k to start up a business. Plenty of cash flow, but little retained. So, yeah, not me either.

somebody please post some more questions to Ask Tombot, I'm having a terrible day

I'm with Jaq at the moment

no kids and relatively cheap divorce but I'm basically pouring all my income down the rent + drinking toilet

Underpaid/overpaid is such a weird question. I mean, considering that other people of my age, education, and skill level get paid lots more than I do for jobs that aren't necessarily more challenging, then I would say that I'm underpaid. But considering how much I slack off at this job, I would say that I'm overpaid. I dunno.

This is me.

I understand that I will never make much money as an editor, but I make a lot more than I would at most other low-end editorial gigs. Considering the fact that I barely know Chicago and AP, it's a miracle that I even have a job, let alone one that pays my bills comfortably.

Dan Perry Owns Property!!

i don't think momus has any $$$ either. he has (young, female) "patrons.

Then the man is truly rich

you have your own board?!

xpost to tom

good luck with your business jaq!

ya, good luck.
need any design work done? business cards logo, signage? i needs moneys!

elmo, pls adopt me.

Thx bell :) so far, so good.

Oooh, thinwall - yes, need logo. webmail me plz

elmo will you go out with me

in 30 years

i feel well off because i'm overpaid for what i do, i don't have kids or debt, and (most importantly) most of my friends are poor.

i have an iphone people

guys i have a boyfriend /killy

i will beat him up!

killy's a boy now?

individual or household income?

And how are we counting the ownership (if encumbered by mortgages) of residential real estate in NYC/Boston/London/etc.?

Is CJ still around? She mentioned owning a business and gave the impression of being quite well off.

BEATING UP MY BOYFRIEND IS A PRETTY SHITTY WAY TO TRY TO WIN MONEY, GOLDDIGGER

The answer is probably: a lurker.

It could be me but not at the moment.

if i ever inherit the house and business that is.

it works for animals :(

i am probably one of the poorest on ILX.

but you have a job! there are unemployed people and students that are poorer than u.

I don't know if I hate rich people, I'm not sure I know any personally. Or if I know rich people, they aren't talking about it, which is probably more operative. People wearing their sense of entitlement on a sandwich board irritate me a whole lot more, money or no money.

living hand to mouth

Also there are like CEOs of major companies in my parents' Sunday School class in their sleepy little town/church, and you can't tell anyone apart from each other for all the dad sweaters and khakis worn, and normal sedans driven.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/41/99945996_cbbafd0e1d.jpg

my inheritance looks pretty awesome from here.

I know people with a lot of money. I know people who don't have a lot of money. Both sets drink like fish.

My inheritance will be spent on birdseed and those colorful twisty porch flyers before I see any of it.

I am the executor of my parents' will. As soon as they start losing their minds...

tombot wtf you were going off about how the estate tax should be 100%recently!!

I will inherit cowboy guns and power tools.

friend of mine from college is easily the richest fucker i have ever met. dad's a self-made venture capitalist, owns a two story UWS penthouse on the park, gerhardt richter painting is the first thing you see when you walk in. she's obscenely wealthy (hundreds of millions, like), knows it, and is very frank about how her life has been totally different from basically everyone else's. she doesn't flaunt her wealth, nor does she try and pretend that it doesn't exist. which is basically what most people should do.

ian, you have more money than me

i am the middle child of 3 in a family with a long, proud tradition of being dirt poor. my "inheritance" will be a nice set of kitchen knives and a blender, if i'm lucky.

i sadly didnt inherit good looks. it skipped a generation.
i know plenty of rich ppl. i dont waste time nor energy disliking them. life is too short...,

tombot wtf you were going off about how the estate tax should be 100%recently!!

yeah! I believe that! but it isn't! Pops is set to retire this year finally so we'll see how fast they burn through it. OTOH he has a colonel's pension after like 30 years in which is pretty ridiculous and means healthcare is going to remain fairly negligible for the most part

I don't hate rich people, I just think their lives are worth less than everyone else's.

god what a terrible sentence! overpaid! over here! that's me!

Cross posting overpaid guy!

That's me!

i have a friend who's the son a a very well to do man. when we were younger he would bring up the fact he was rich but still "down to earth" whenever hitting on girls. usually "his" jaguar was one of the first thing he'd bring up and the most annoying thing is it would work. i still have a dark cloud of hatred for him tucked away even tho he's grown up alot more lately.

xxxxxposts

it would be awesome if his jaguar DIDN'T work.

didn't marcello make a shitload?

i like the idea of an estate tax being 100% except for educational exceptions, death expenses, family medical allowences and charitable donations

if i didn't work it would go back to being his daddies Jag very quickly.

Death expenses are paid before the estate is finalized. The rest of those: fuck the progeny.

allowances

Only peeps who can afford MacBook Air should be posting here thx.

I already have a $2000 mac with no working optical drive

I would say I am the brokest motherfucker on the board, but my ugrad loans actually aren't that bad (grad ones will be hilarious I am sure). I'm not inheriting shit other than an unpaid mortgage though (oh and some glassware!!!!!!!!), unless my aunt loves me more than her own spawn. Also LOL POLICY ANALYSIS.

I CAN ANALYZE ALL THESE LOL POLICIES

SWHAT THEY PAY ME TO DO

suzy is rich in names

East Asian policymaking is primarily of the LOL school.

There should be a mortgage debt poll to help with this thread.

http://www.ibabuzz.com/politics/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/romney.jpg

Dow down 306

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/08/Gomez.JPG/250px-Gomez.JPG

see, he's even got a bit of the alex nyc wonky eye ^^

http://media.arstechnica.com/articles/culture/teardowns.media/jobsmcduck.jpg

http://www.linternaute.com/sortir/cinema/diaporama/07/enfants-stars/macaulay-culkin.jpg

I currently have no job and maybe $60 in the bank and a huge visa debt.

So it ain't me.

Now I'm off for a job interview.

I'm guessing I'm in the bottom half of posters, seeing how I:

a) have a job, but one that 'pays' me £120 a month
b) recently finished 21 years of schooling, with its concomitant debt hanging over me
c) live in London for some reason

I've got two kids = For now all money goes to them. And lots of ipods, cellphones, tellies,... If I wouldn't spend so much, I'd have shitload of money but... alas I love to shop.

Well...yes, the money you spend on optional things DOES count toward how rich you are, in most people's estimation...? It's not like you could realistically say "WELL I HAD A HUNDRED THO POCKET CHANGE BUT THAT NEW CAR, THE STEREO EQUP, AND THE FLIGHTS TO BANGKOK HAVE REALLY CLEANED ME OUT. I'M SKINT, MAAAAN" and be taken seriously.

I've never had more money than I do now which is saying nothing but I'm comfortably 'poor'.

unless you fly to bangkok strapped to the backs of a dozen golden eagles

I know, Laurel, but I think from a shopowner's perspective: I know that, by spending my money on said things, I "lose" the money (as I'll be unable to get it back). Does that make any sense whatsoever?

No, because then you have the things, instead. It's the whole "exchange of currency for goods and services" thing.

You can afford the piles of merch = you're not broke.

that's what you do with money, though.

(i was going to make that joke with relation to jaq, upthread, and then didn't; glad to know i wasn't the only one wondering about that)

"I'm not rich, I sunk all my money into the condo and that Bentley"

GIMME THE LOOT GIMME THE LOOT

i keep thinking i just want to be "comfortable" but the price of that keeps going up while my salary stays the same. and not being able to save enough terrifies me the older i get.

i made $500 in fantasy football this year, increasing my total worth by a significant percentage

i think i started this thread like three years ago and claimed to have a solid gold head

you just need to get the whigs back together

get that money son

Oh yeah, totally, Nabisco! Money is for spending, I'm all for that!! It's just that, having spent it on pricey stuff you wanted, you can't then claim that there was no net benefit to you.

I don't hate rich people, I just think their lives are worth less than everyone else's.

-- milo z, Thursday, January 17, 2008 1:16 PM (45 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

THEY PLAY FANTASY FOOTBALL/BASEBALL AND GAMBLE FOR FUN

No, because then you have the things, instead. It's the whole "exchange of currency for goods and services" thing.

Yes, but with very few exceptions you can't sell or trade the things back for the amount of money you paid. I never studied economics, but I assume there's some pat term to refer to this.

Oh that was an xpost, Laurel, I was in complete agreement with you. Cuz it was all, umm ... "I make lots of money, sure, but I spend it on stuff, so..."

A good way to feel like you have more than sufficient money and can actually save the leftovers = make what you make now, only in a small Great Plains town with a population around 50,000. I imagine for a few years you'd blow too much cash on housing and really sweet furniture and stuff, but after that and some cars the cash would start saving itself.

J.Lu there is no need to get technical about the depreciation and resale value of items -- the point is that it's just funny when someone's like "Me? Rich? I mean, sure, I make $500,000 a year, but I spend it all on clothes, so it's not like I'm rolling in it"

P.S. welcome back

Haha yes! Thx, N.

if you spent your money on clothes, you would quite literally be rolling in it

if you happened to be rolling around for some reason

in clothes

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"I'm not rich, I sunk all my money into the condo and that Bentley"

True. But (usually!) you can get the money back from that condo, no? I mean, shit, I know that having lots of material things means I do have a disposable income but once I spent it, it's gone.

For me rich equals having money/funds.

haha then stop buying shit!

yeah but seriously between the posho address and the peapod deliveries and the biweekly housekeeper my salary doesn't go that far guys!!!

don't even get me STARTED on the bar tabs!!

sorry, crass. x-post

i spend what i "make" on booze, which is even more worthless (?????)

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i134/dgoobl/fatcatscopy.jpg

i wish i had a bisexual housekeeper

my tax return for 2006 was for $4039

haha then stop buying shit!

Yeah, I know, it stinks. :-(

http://p.rdcpix.com/v01/l4e04d140-m0l.jpg

4 BD, 2.5 Bath 2,700 SF -- all yours for $239,000.

(Of course, as Dan Perry once pointed out, you'd have to live in Little Rock, Arkansas.)

Yeah, I know, it stinks. :-(

-- stevienixed, Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:14 PM (24 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

uh i think the point is it doesn't

If the housing bubble bursts I'm screwed but I just don't see it happening.

Uh, Jess, I know, work with me. I'm Belgian.

xxpost WTF. You get a house with one bedroom for that price here. I'm so not joking.

heck of a plan, brownie.

like, you spend $ on what you want to spend $ on. just don't complain about it later! i do this!

and i'm not jess. i wish i were a belgian w/ an iphone tho

Wal-Mart announced yesterday that they've canceled plans to build a new store in SE Raleigh (the lower-income side), and the response from some of the local blogging demographic has been "Sweet, we hate Wal-Mart! Besides, the people who would have worked there need to hold out for something better."

haha let's shoehorn a wal-mart discussion into a personal income thread and watch the internet implode

Oh god that's such a snakepit tho, the minimum wage job thing, because once you've got the job you don't qualify for the same government assistance but the job won't insure you or really support you unless you have a multi-person domestic arrangement and someone in it is making a lot more than you are. Those part-time retail jobs are okay as supplemental income but they don't keep you afloat MUCH LESS allow you to support kids, etc.

ANYWAY

I own a solid gold shoehorn.

back on track, then

I wish I had money.

Hmm, I have a mortgage, no job, admittedly not a great deal of debt. To be fair I wouldn't have the mortgage if my family didn't have a bit of money. But Even if I am above the median I can't be top. How's about gabbaneb?

I'm an accountant and I have numerous clients who actively (operating through a company and paying a minimal "director's salary" to themselves, par example) seek to minimise their (often large) incomes to lower child support payments. These are not nice rich people.

The best rich people I see are the decrepit, unassuming 80 year olds who own like $10 mil in shares and whatnot.

my apartment is carpeted in rich corinthian leather

my apartment is carpeted with the skins of my vanquished enemies

my apartment is carpeted with live tigers

also my ceilings are carpeted

all the tigers have gold teeth

except for the teeth that are platinum and encrusted with diamonds

I am the richest man on ILX.

keek ekekekekekekkke kekeke rrrrrrrrobyn i luv u

stevienixed - pls to post photos of interior of your house again that looked liked state mansion for Putin (also you are quite rich at 'bank of mum and dad', no?)

new thread idea: what is the most likely way you personally could become rich

but needs to be started by someone who could write that question properly

Yeah, 'cause fuck being impersonally rich

my apartment is carpeted in other less fortunate peoples apartments

I am having a 600-bed resort hotel built out of LEGO

I have the world's largest diamond in my pants

my pants are made out of Dubai

my apartment is carpeted with autumn almanacs pants

i would make such a good rich person because i would spend my money on useful objects like a device that allows goth people to float around creepily

i am not rich, but i would donate to this cause

I use Michael Jackson's original nose to grind my bread.

it's true, n/a gives solid gold head.

I gave away the Pentagon for a tax break.

Montana was previously called BLAMtana, until I sold it for shares in Google, which I then sold at their absolute peak, realizing a HUGE return on my investment.

I then sunk THAT money into drug trafficking, human trafficking and traffic signals.

I'm a traffic mogul.

I have like TWO iPods.

I use Southeast Asian islands as currency.

I hire the Harlem Globetrotters to play on my birthday then I bet against them and pay them even more than I stand to win off the bet to throw the game, just to see the look on some motherfuckers' faces.

I invented breathing. Pay up, motherfuckers.

my potato chips are made out of whole unsliced potatoes.

stevienixed - pls to post photos of interior of your house again that looked liked state mansion for Putin (also you are quite rich at 'bank of mum and dad', no?)

-- Bob Six, Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:38 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^Fuck this guy

Er. Well maybe, I dunno, but is he wrong?

My shoes are laced with live zebra pythons. You've never heard of them because they are almost extinct and have been kept alive in captivity in a zoo you have to be a bajillionaire to get into.

I had my testicles replaced by T-rex eggs. My sperms will fuck your uterus right up.

stevienixed - pls to post photos of interior of your house again that looked liked state mansion for Putin (also you are quite rich at 'bank of mum and dad', no?)

-- Bob Six, Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:38 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^Fuck this guy

OTM. Its those comments that make conversations re: wealth and personal finances so uncomfortable. Kind of like when you get a new car or a new job and someone says oh-so-sincerely "Must be nice!"

What rich people eat don't make me shit.

Its those comments that make conversations re: wealth and personal finances so uncomfortable.

That's all I'm sayin'

I have done quite a bit of research on the subject: The Bank of Mum and Dad is not an accredited establishment! Beware!

Also the School of Hard Knocks

Next you'll be saying those nice people in Nigeria don't really need my help!

guess i better bring back that tshirt then xpost

I tattooed Muhammad on my face, went to Mecca during the Haaj, and then pay off EVERY Muslim I offended to the tune of 10 million Korans etched in Platinum - each.

So did that $1000/CD deal ever work out for Marissa?

Cuz if I charged that for every CD I've sold in the past year I would have like two grand!

i got drunk and bought an elephant

bactrian or dromedary elephant?

the answer is Ornaldo Bloompsberg

i don't even remember! i think i gave them my mailing address in the dordogne, too, lol

Who though do you guys think would have the richest flavor were we to roast and eat them?

probably m white, he seems to have been reared on a fancy diet.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Z2J8C7RSL._AA280_.jpg

lol these guys are going to be so pissed lol xxpost

Who though do you guys think would have the richest flavor were we to roast and eat them?

Certainly, a fat vegetarian.

Someone not too strong/stringy. Clearly not gbx, the exercise makes them terribly tough.

Meat eaters taste...odd.

whatever they'll get paid

xp

Certainly, a fat vegetarian.

Uh oh...

i have been carefully marinated for years

not fat, you don't want fat, just pleasantly marbled.

Fair enough. But certainly a veggie.

And indolent.

i have been thoughtfully raised by a single family in the kobe prefecture, subsisting on beer, and having my entire body massaged daily to ensure intricate and even marbling

i'm inviting you all over for helicopter races.

really we just need to find the slowest runner

grady should i bring extras? SOMEone's just gonna get drunk and crash one.

LOOKING AT YOU, JUSTEN

I bet I would taste HORRIBLE

you have not been massaged daily.

I recommend combing I Love Games for our prime candidate.

Or... children! Veal, if you will. Don't over cook them, they get tough really quickly.

actually i would probably be too drunk to get the key in the helicopter ignition

still might manage to crash it though

grady should i bring extras? SOMEone's just gonna get drunk and crash one.

Don't worry about me - Jan Michael Vincent and Ernest Borgnine are going to be flying mine.

http://deadon.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/airwolf0.jpg

Or... children! Veal, if you will. Don't over cook them, they get tough really quickly.

You asshole! Don't you know the conditions that children are raised in?

I think we should choose a few children to force feed until their livers become horribly fatty and swollen. Then have pate.

stevienixed - pls to post photos of interior of your house again that looked liked state mansion for Putin (also you are quite rich at 'bank of mum and dad', no?)

-- Bob Six, Thursday, January 17, 2008 10:38 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^^^Fuck this guy

otm - though I would like to see them again.

*slaps head*

(own head)

probably m white, he seems to have been reared on a fancy diet.

I was reared on anything but, though I've been marinating myself for years since. I don't weigh enpugh nor have enough fat on me to think I'd roast, even simmer in wine extensively, in any way that would end up very tasty.

I recommend combing I Love Games for our prime candidate.

Uh oh...

Oh, but eating children is a totally agreeable topic?

Gotta start somewhere.

We need at least a few candidates. There are (a) quite a few of us potential diners (and I'm a bit peckish at the moment, tbh) and (b) we need some kind of comparison, some kind of control, as it were, to determine who has the richest taste.

Only free-range, grass-fed children.

As for me, I get $10,000 in royalties every time an AMG review of mine is accessed.

(I wish.)

Oh, but eating children is a totally agreeable topic?

Any discussion that doesn't eventually touch upon this subject is frankly sterile.

I believe that just for Ned, I will learn more about Cocteau Twins this afternoon. Yer welcome.

isn't ned a...vegetarian?

I hear if you run a shitty poster through a brita filter four or five times they taste exactly like a top shelf poster

http://www.eat-online.net/art/images/food_and_movies/eat_rich/poster.jpg

isn't ned a...vegetarian?

The hunter looked out the window, towards Orange County...his prey was out there...somewhere.

So, what is "rich" anyway?

Rich is never having to worry about money.

Past that, its all just a question of degrees.

Even if you have more money than you need, it can still be worrisome.

My manservant types all my posts.

Rich is never having to worry about money, but constantly and obsessively worrying about nothing else.

I thought that money was the only thing rich people worried about.

whoops, xpost, sorry kenan

Rich is never having to worry about money, but constantly and obsessively worrying about nothing else.

I disagree. I can totally see a world where I win the lottery for a HUGE amount of money, buy some property tropical and quiet, and read all fucking day. Unless I had to, I would not worry about money.

Which means that, if I ever had to, I would not be rich.

For a while I had this habit of not just saying 'dude' (which I do and have through my whooolllle life) but 'dudebro.' It evolved into 'dudebrah.' Then I dropped it.

Where is, "is put before hos"?

Distance, n. The only thing that the rich are willing for the poor to call theirs, and keep.

A.B.

Hmm this is not the thread I was looking for.

I am wealthiest in dude-saying.

If I hit a $250M lottery, it would be FUN to worry about money.

Abbott-wan

If I hit a $250M lottery, it would be FUN to worry about money.

True. Like Monopoly.

But what about...THE LOTTERY CURSE? I love that fucking curse.

Seriously. Sign me up for that motherfucker.

I'm educated, married, without substance abuse problem, and would have no problem telling motherfuckers no.

Via my solid gold intercom from my hilltop compound. The hill would be gold, too.

yeah i wouldn't mind worrying about money if it were in the "oh fuck my porfolio is tanking" sense rather than "oh fuck is my rent check going to clear this month? overdraft fees nooooo"

Curses schmurses. Curses are just people being unwilling to accept that bad stuff happens, and hysterical when it does.

But that's not what this thread is about. This thread is about the fact that I pay William Safire to come to my house and read "Pee-Wee's Playhouse" transcripts to me while I take a bath.

the fact that you thought of that, even as a joke, is alarming

This thread is about the fact that I pay William Safire to come to my house and read "Pee-Wee's Playhouse" transcripts to me while I take a bath

He does that shit, too? I got the motherfucker out detailing my skateboard. My DIAMOND skateboard.

Oh I know, he bitches to me all the time about the shit you make him do.

And then I tell him "stop your whining and say 'Long Live Jambi' again. I love how you say that."

I could totally see that, which is entirely disturbing.

the reason the lottery curse works is that only certain types (read: irrational) people generally tend to actually play the lottery on a regular basis. and then they win and don't get any more level-headed.

Yeah, give 'em enough rope... I bet Britney wouldn't know what to do with William Safire, a Pee-Wee transcript and a bathtub.

(OK, somebody stop me please.)

I have recently decided to invest 500 million dollars into making a GIANT PUPPY made up of a series of smaller puppies.

One night, Amy ran out to the store to buy a gallon of milk, but returned with a lottery ticket instead. "I thought, 'I'm just going to buy some lottery tickets and see what happens,'" she remembers.

Simon H. I think you are right.

I tattooed Muhammad on my face, went to Mecca during the Haaj, and then pay off EVERY Muslim I offended to the tune of 10 million Korans etched in Platinum - each.

-- B.L.A.M., Friday, 18 January 2008 10:10 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

I go to Saudi Arabia in a burkha and walk past B.L.A.M. loads.

My lottery fantasies all revolve around being a do-gooder - drop $50k here and there on worthy, small groups, take care of the family I like, etc..

(plus hookers and blow and a private Led Zeppelin concert for me, of course)

Past paying off all debts, I would seriously do absolutely nothing if I won the lottery.

Nada.

was just gonna start this thread!!

I have a friend whose family member worked for some dude who had some lottery (technically legal?) scam of sorts going where they would play lotteries in all of these different states and countries simultaneously, but play every number, and then split the winnings among the investors. Also, I think the dude was sort of psychic or something, and that helped the whole deal be even more lucrative.

Can't we organize some ILX-wide shit like this and than put an end to our financial worries?

hahahaha your friend's family member is a LIAR

Too late anyway, I bought all the lotteries with my VERITABLE WADS of minty cold hard cash.

Hahaha I was scoffing at the logistics of playing every number combination in every lottery in the world simultaneously, at a dollar each, but then I got to "the dude was sort of psychic" and learned I was wasting my time thinking over the numbers

"I have a foolproof system for blackjack. It's all based on a precise calculation of the probabilities of various card combinations, coded into a series of charts where the dealer's up-card is shown in the top row, and the intersections of various number combinations indicated ... oh, did I mention I'm a unicorn, too?"

I bought a herd of unicorns yesterday.

From me, at my unicorn ranch and mermaid farm.

whoa it's weird that i was singing the AIRWOLF theme song this morning there is a picture of airwolf way up thread

another coincidence is that my pants are also made out of Dubai!

BLAM, I really like what you've done with the place since you bought it from Jacko.

and i am queen of the unicorn mermaids
xpost

no, dudes, it's for real. he specialized in the spanish lottery or something, and got busted. my friend is no liar, his family member is not either...the guy actually got busted for the scam several years ago. i will try to find details on the internet, or else ask my friend directly.

nabisco, i don't believe in unicorns, but i do believe that some people have uncanny abilities to pick up on, i don't know what to call it, extra-local information?

f'rinstance, from wikipedia entry of some guy that was on that Uri Geller-Chriss Angel show: Jim first gained national notoreity on December 22, 1990 when the Pennsylvania State lottery numbers that were drawn perfectly matched his prediction. As a result, the numerous people who had taken Jim's advice ended up dividing up a $12 million dollar payout into small shares. Since then, Jim has performed extensively on both the college and corporate circuits. He has also authored two books and currently predicts football outcomes on a popular gambling website.

BLAM, I really like what you've done with the place since you bought it from Jacko.

You do NOT want to know what I found in the crawl space above the breakfast nook. And by breakfast nook, I mean child pron and in-home face alteration center.

You said it was "technically legal" before, Dell.

I do have an uncanny ability to pick up on extra-local information, though, and it is telling me that unicorns are out there.

I'm so glad to see this thread has moved on from the roasting of indolent free-range grass-finished non-smoking well-marbled children to psychic lottery number selectors (wouldn't they all be incredibly rich?) and Michael Jackson.

Dell, did you know the word "gullible" is not included in any dictionary? It's true!

oh my god dell

another word that's not in dictionaries is "credulous"

"ert"

Come on guys, dell's clearly not lying about this psychic feller. I know this to be a fact.

another word not in dictionaries is "Hooblavar."

You said it was "technically legal" before, Dell.

I have a friend whose family member worked for some dude who had some lottery (technically legal?) scam of sorts going

-note question mark-

Ok. I have a friend. One of his relatives, and I'm trying to be esp. vague here for purposes of anonymity, but, anyhow, suffice it to say that I knew the relative fairly well...she was into handwriting analysis and stuff, so, I dunno, maybe I'm imagining the fact that the guy claimed to be psychic or whatever, just based on the fact that it would make sense that I can imagine her maybe being associated with someone wrapped up in that kinda stuff.

Anyhow, this woman worked for the guy for several years, and made a good-enough living to be living in a beachfront condo in a very expensive part of the U.S.

Several years later, my friend mentioned something to me about how she had severed her professional association with the guy...and around the same time I read a wire service news article at the time about a guy, (who, from the details in the article I could easily ascertain was her former employer) and who was being investigated or maybe even being busted for having some racket going where a whole bunch of people would cover every lottery number. I think they did a lot of stuff w/overseas lottery drawings; and at that particular time, I think it was Spanish or maybe Portuguese authorities...or Malta? or something?

Come on guys, dell's clearly not lying about this psychic feller. I know this to be a fact.

-- Autumn Almanac, Friday, 18 January 2008 12:24 (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

^ feedline that would have yielded a ripper punchline if someone had taken the bait. Fortunately I'm too RICH to care

no dell the point is that if you understand how the lottery works you would never believe anyone who said they made money by covering every single possible number.

dell you need to stop making friends with people whose emails show up in your bulk mail folder.

dell you need to stop making friends with people whose emails show up in your bulk mail folder.

Seriously, even if all the money you get from the Irish lottery and the kind Nigerian fellows made you rich, you keep blowing it all on penis enlargement and girls from MySpace with email addresses like nataliecumslu✧✧✧@ya✧✧✧.c✧✧

Well, granted, I'm poor with statistics and all math in general. To the best of my vague recollection, the guy would have people invest in many different lotteries from around the country and/or around the world at one time...like, the kinds which have 000-999, not the kinds with more extensive odds. I have to bother my friend about this and ask him, b/c now it's really bugging me that I can't remember what it was all about, but I imagine that the guy had a large number of people place whatever sums of money, to cover every number every single day, and then the winnings would be split among the investors. I don't know the details, and yeah, I am really stupid at math.

I just want to emphasize that I'm not bullshitting you guys. Nor was my friend or his relative bullshitting me. Furthermore, at best what the guy was doing was a "scam" equivalent to card-counting...at worst he may have been doing some out-and-out fraud, but, knowing my friend's family member, I can't imagine her being associated with some completely shady operation.

Also, for the record, I am not some wide-eyed true believer in Uri Geller or any of that bullshit, but I can't discount psychic phenomena offhand. For what it's worth, I had a vivid dream about a winning lottery number years ago; I played it, it didn't come up...and then the following night it came up. Ouch.

Here are the facts about gambling (lotteries included) in a simple, short sentence.

THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS.

http://mediablvd.com/magazine/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=1634&g2_serialNumber=1

THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS.

-- Oilyrags, Friday, 18 January 2008 12:57 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

waht

Is that Natalie Cumslut on the left?

Well, this guy obviously won enough to attract the attention of the local authorities.

Say that there is a lottery as dell describes, with 1,000 possible tickets. The house will set the payout as a fraction of the income from tickets sold. So, if they only sell half their tickets for a dollar each, the grand prize will be $250 instead of $500. So, if you have a scam where your team buys all the tickets, you have still spent $1,000 to win $500.

HOUSE WINS AGAIN!

http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/2007/09-23/dude23_400.jpg

We need a thread where we ask Dell for financial advice.

"Should I take all my retirement savings and place them on black? Or would it better to go to the craps table and drop them on Don't Pass?"

I would move into the top floor of that hotel in Dubai. Then I would be like "What the fuck do I do now?"

I always picture Dell as this guy:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/Steve_Dell_Ad.jpg

Sorry, Dell.

I like where this thread is going has gone.

Well, again, I don't know all the details. I think I only brought it up b/c I was hanging out w/the friend whose family member blah blah blah last night. He is on a plane flying overseas at this very moment, or else I would call him and bug him about it.

My story is maybe kinda pointless, at least until I can get more info to jog my memory. Oh well.

You don't have to apologize, Rock Hardy. That's pretty much me.

dear dell, help me become the richest motherfucker posting on this board

http://challengeimpossible.blogspot.com/2005/10/should-you-play-every-powerball-number.html

I think that there are situations where it's theoretically possible to be worthwhile, since some lotteries keep rolling winnings forward if there are no jackpot winners.

More likely is that such a plan sounds plausible enough to people with more money than sense that you could wrangle some "investors" together long enough to live pretty well off the gravy before the whole thing came crashing down - see hedge fund managers...

Hey guess what I actually only have $20 in the bank, not even $60!

Mmmm. Fun.

"Should I take all my retirement savings and place them on black? Or would it better to go to the craps table and drop them on Don't Pass?"

lol, this from the guy who posted about winning money on online fantasy sports/gambling.

no, fuck me, though...I am too lazy to even participate in any form of online potentially lucrative sports fantasy games/online gambling

(and no income/dole/anything coming in either. Stay tuned for "Trayce becomes homeless, sells self on St Kilda street corner", next tuesday 9pm (8 central))

No luck with the job interview today?

Fuckola, Trayce, that sucks. Buona fortuna on thate. job interview for sure.

xp

Nah, they wanted an InDesign guru. Which I'm not, exactly (rudimentary skills sure but nothing great).

S'ok. I'm still bashing away at the wall. xp

thanks guize.

Dell put a question mark after "technically legal" and then said "oh and he got busted for it" = he is the defense lawyer?

hah, nah, i'm just...ah, who cares...

lol dell

"dell"

http://www.smartmoney.com/10things/index.cfm?story=may2005&pgnum=1

A fairly interesting, if generally predicable article that was the first google hit for "The house always wins".

sell yr computer before yr body, trayce

i mean, there is at least something semi-hilarious about people complaining about how they have no moneys even as they sit in front of a computer with a high-speed tube connection. you either (a) have a job or (b) have the money to pay monthly broadband fees and are in possession of a box that could at least be flipped for anywhere from $100-1000 bucks probably

i make good (not great, but good) money, but considering I have no kids or wife I have nobody to spend it on so....YA I'M RICH BOOYAH

Gib: yeah I agree with you and I'm not that in the gutter desperate really (bf just got work) but while "get rid of the pc and internet" is admirable, how the fuck does one look for work without it? Its not a leisure tool any more.

not sure why i even bother to answer bob's silly remarks. it seems obv the dude mainly looks at pix snd doesnt bother to read much. bob, if you had bothered to read my comments on my own pix, you would realize webrent that place (that putin worthy living room is secondary, we're only interested in the shop). sadly (actually fuck it i don't care) my parents don't have money in the bank. that is what i meant before: i may have a disposably income in the long run i wont have that money in the bank. i guess it is a different mentality. and realizing this is all very fickle. being rich is not having to worry about tomorrow. i may be rich but what about tomorrow? then again who cares? that said i do save quite a bit.

gbx it depends what you use as a standard.

Yeah it is pretty much impossible to conduct business without a computer, or phone, or even the phoneternet.

I like where this thread is going has gone.

-- Trayce

i am proud of my nosy, foulmouthed threadbaby

this was my attempt at trolling, by the way. went better than 99% of my legit threads, except for the lion and caterpillar costume thread

went better than 99% of my legit threads, except for the lion and caterpillar costume thread

Don't be so modest:

PWNING OF A NEW AGE

Lawn Sprinklers & Blood Oranges

AAAAAAAAAAAAA (thread of nastiness and gross-out shit)

Classics.

AAAAAAAAAAAAA vs. FLAAAAAAAAAAAAA

dell was your friend Voltaire? From Wikipedia:

According to a review in the March 7, 2005 issue of The New Yorker of Voltaire's Garden, a mathematician friend of his realized in 1728 that the French government had authorized a lottery in which the prize was much greater than the collective cost of the tickets. He and Voltaire formed a syndicate, collected all the money, and became moneylenders to the great houses of Europe.

i don't really feel comfortable talking about this subject. i mean, money's personal.

no i'm kidding.

my parents are pretty well off...

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

are you serious? that's amazing. ha

jordon, what is assa abloy? it sounds kinda fun.

lol no

my parents are not involved w/ the lock company ;_; ;_;

i also have led many women on this board to believe that i am a handsome young man when in fact i was just posting pictures from google image searches

lol fuck you i thought you were like Jordan Lock

i wish

my parents are comfortably middle class and basically so am i. they pay my rent and my car insurance, otherwise i'm totally self-sufficient. so am i the richest motherfucker on this board? no

okay but they pay your rent.

how old are you/are you in school/how much is your rent/if i'm being invasive just say so (fucking money)

19/yes/$325 a month/i pay for gas, food, utilities, clothes etc.

pretty run-of-the-mill for a student at a state university

totally understandable. just don't let them pay your rent when you're 29.

let's hope not

I'm the real Bo Jackson.

Not the sports hero, but from the little known Bo Jackson crime syndicate....

I'm the real Bo Jackson.

My girlfriend is still convinced you’re a friend of hers from St. Louis.

lol, unless her friend from St. Louis is a self-deprecating skinny white dude, I don't see the resemblance!

a self-deprecating skinny white dude

Sad, really. You were so self-confident with the Raiders.

Sad, really. You were so self-confident with the Raiders.

... and in the entire run of ProStars.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAAH.

oh my god I remember that cartoon. Good god that was almost as bad as Hammer Man.

I AM THE RICHEST MOTHERFUCKER ON THIS BORD

DID U WIN THE LOTTERSIES

I FOUND A BAG OF MONEY!

I FOUND A BAG OF MONEY!

-- jhøshea, Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:17 PM (33 minutes ago)

In Heath Ledger's hotel room, perhaps?

too soon.

Yeah, I think that's fair. Sorry.

Now?
No?

What Constitutes Being Rich?.

Still, as I've seen mentioned elsewhere, raw family income is a pretty poor barometer of a family's financial situation. Along with income often comes debt, y'know?

I've known a lot of families making around $150,000, and none of them would have described themselves as much beyond upper middle class, or "doing pretty well."

Strange. This works both ways. I am in the bottom 6% yet I don't feel poor.

theres something to the reaganist viewpoint that vcrs & cable television is wealth enough for all of us

PERPETUA IS FATTEST

MAX IS THE STONEDEDEST

jk i luv u max but youve been a dick lately

PERPETUA IS FATTEST

-- Catsupppppppppppppp dude 茄蕃, Monday, 7 April 2008 22:37 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

Pretty sure Melissa W was fatter.

was she canadian?

I've known a lot of families making around $150,000, and none of them would have described themselves as much beyond upper middle class, or "doing pretty well."

Fuck those people.

especially if they live in a major metropolitan area!!

Is there a metropolitan area where that wouldn't be ~35% more than the median income?

yeah totally, wtf are you on about milo?? 150K for a family isnt any more than exactly as described, & im sayin this as someone whos never made more than 25k in any given year

Bullshit.

so wait if your household income is 50% over the median in your area you're an asshole? here I was thinking I could reserve my disgust for the top 0.5% of the country, but no! It's the whole top tenth!!

http://www.stlrcga.org/x436.xml

ouroboros.jpg

which? what do you consider 'upper-middle-class' & 'doing pretty well'?

lol why nyc only include manhattan - bks got the most people!

If I made 150K I could get a clean 2BR in a neighborhood that was relatively murder-free and wouldn't require a car. I'm glad I only make 20% over the median so I can live in an old basement instead!

That's more than three times the median household income in the US.
Almost 2.5x the median household income in the highest-income metropolitan area in the US.

so wait if your household income is 50% over the median in your area you're an asshole?

top 10% of people should realistically be considered rich - i mean its the top 10% right?

where does the top 10% live?

thing is weve got this class of super duper rich people that anyone can look at and be all im much closer to median than i am to those people

yeah milo if yr gonna get personal im thinking about my sister + brother-in-law + niece, who combined probably make roughly 130k in a relatively low-income neighborhood & dont live at all beyond what id consider middle-class -- to say that fiscally, assuming they werent in debt, theyd be much beyond upper-middle & above 'doing pretty well' seems like a stretch

i think you definie 'doing pretty well' as 'getting by' whereas i think of it as meaning 'doing a little better than we should be'

top 10% of people should realistically be considered rich - i mean its the top 10% right?

-- jhøshea, Monday, April 7, 2008 5:51 PM (35 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

I would argue that this is a function of the standard deviation as well, but sure.

$150k isn't even top 10, it's top 5%.

i live about 100 yards from the super duper rich people. how far does milo live from them?

oh the fancy clothes and foods i would consume

gabbneb doesn't make $150 grand? lol rly?

150 grand isn't super duper rich

what does a gabbneb do for work?

do ll bean and pepperidge farm count as fancy clothes and foods

i think you definie 'doing pretty well' as 'getting by' whereas i think of it as meaning 'doing a little better than we should be'

I'd call either of those statements bullshit.

Even in Manhattan, if you double the national median for cost of living- $150k is another third on top of that.

If you are incapable of living like a fucking prince on 150% of the local median income, you've got serious lifestyle issues.

150 grand isn't super duper rich

FWIW, I was surprised to see the 5% cutoff amount.

dude go to law school, buy a house & feed a baby before you try to insinuate ppl making 150K are automatic assholes livin beyond anything you could dream of

hey milo check it out:

http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/doc/rfs/

this is the ass end of the market btw

"like a prince" is a bit of a stretch

xpost

do ll bean and pepperidge farm count as fancy clothes and foods

-- El Tomboto, Monday, April 7, 2008 5:55 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

no way dude step it up yr game

if "like a prince" means "debt free" then I think I get it

I could live really well in Manhattan with a spouse making my current income, but not if I had kids.

and having people bring me my groceries and having a housekeeper.
ugh I'm disgusting

deeznuts, plz be reading the statement that makes certain people assholes again.

But honestly - if you've run up so much law school debt that buying a house makes being in the top 10% a struggle: don't buy a house. I think maybe 'buying too much house' has been an issue in the news recently? Maybe?

(last post not sarcastic. I just did get kind of disgusted. I should plant some trees so I can be carbon zero at least)

you should have your gardener plant the trees though

haha

I should have tombot's army plant the trees, all over the world

milo, their house was like 90k, & there are no housing issues whatsoever in their area

this again comes down to how you define 'struggle'; they live perfectly comfortably & then some, but def not anything close to excessively, & last i knew theyre on a pretty tight budget (trying to sell current house + buy new one)

im a total fucking pauper relatively speaking but consider myself more or less comfortable

Tombot's army planting trees around the world tonight!
ooo-oo-ooo-ooo-ooo-ooo

"I borrowed 6 times my annual income and now I've got to pay it back over 30 years. poor me :("

exactly?

whats yr point kerm

im not tryina argue w/ milo that the system we live in is fucked beyond belief

ok I can get behind "fuck those people" if we're talking assholes who overextended themselves on their house, took out equity and blew it on cars and widescreens, etc. absolutely 100%.

what would someone who makes 150K in NYC make in DFW?

$75k

or $70k, I guess. But the metroplex is larger than a couple of states, so you're including a lot of the sticks.

Dallas proper would translate higher - $90-100k maybe? I'm thinking of the more urban village-y areas (excluding Highland Park).

Maybe. Maybe they would make more than that, to the extent that the DFW employer competes in the same labor market as a higher-Cola employer.

lol why nyc only include manhattan - bks got the most people!

Not for long...

dan selzer, reppin queens since 2006.

Tombot: Right, definitely, and so what's the family that makes $150K and hasn't splurged on bullshit got to complain about?

kerm, the issue isnt that they dont get to complain, its that they arent in fact beyond "upper-middle-class" & "doing pretty well" lifestyle-wise

I think the problem lies in the definition of 'upper middle class' - means something different in Manhattan

If they're making more money than 90% of the families in this country, and they don't think that pushes them above middle class, and they still don't feel rich yet, then yeah, fuck them.

well, unlike most places, Manhattan has actual upper-class people.

http://xroads.virginia.edu/~UG02/NewYorker/eustacetilley.jpg

OTM

kerm upper-middle class = 'above' middle class by definition.

and im sayin based on my experience theres no reason they should feel 'rich', & honestly most ppl who actually are rich would laugh in the fucking faces of anyone making 150k

i dont get the manhattan thing gab cuz id think 150k in manhattan wouldnt go much anywhere at all

People think things mean something different in their town, but its all the same

Also a prolonged credit expansion in a low (wage) inflation environment distorts many things. those that appeared to be rich are finding out wealth is often an illusion.

How many people you know that are debt-free? How many people you know with liquid savings that they could live off for 2 years?

kerm upper-middle class = 'above' middle class by definition.

no sir.

of course it goes somewhere. you can live very comfortably on that in NYC. you wouldn't regard yourself as living 'like a prince' (but someone else might). but your living space would probably be smaller than someone making much less in a very different town. and as i suggested above, your salary might not vary directly with the cost of living - i'm positing (perhaps quite incorrectly) that salaries might not compensate for the cost of living as much as they might elsewhere, because people willing to incur that cost do so in part for the premium of living in NYC alone.

If they're making more money than 90% of the families in this country, and they don't think that pushes them above middle class, and they still don't feel rich yet, then yeah, fuck them.

the original post said above upper middle class, not middle class.

upper middle class is like upper westphalia, it is still westphalia

umm yeah, sir - lots & lots of lower-to-middle-class people would definite themselves as middle-class, as would lots of upper-middle class people; this doesnt mean the distinctions are meritless. family of 3 making 90k a year & family of 3 making 50k a year can & probably will both live similarly; doesnt mean one isnt better off than the other

this is partly where that debt bs comes from, & why i dont get the harshing on dudes who strive beyond their families specific means & end up paying for it a tiny bit, no matter how fiscally responsible they are

xp

no, i think upper middle class is different, it just tends to be found in concentration in big metrosexualpolises, so they don't feel that special

If they are reliant on salaried income there's an argument that upper middle class is the highest they can be.

upper middle class is still middle class, it is the upper part of it,

You can live very comfortably on that (150k) in NYC

The italicized part of that (my emphasis) surprises me.

who strive beyond their families specific means & end up paying for it a tiny bit

can you explain what you mean by this? i dont want to respond to it before knowing exactly what you mean

means don't end up inna debt dept

deeznuts is a fucking douche

^^

xp wtf dude??? jesus

lolol

am i getting played curtis

im sayin based on my experience theres no reason they should feel 'rich'

I'm sayin this is pathetic.

laxalt is relying on half-century old sociology textbooks as per.

no I just found the exchange humorous xxpost

I'm puzzled what "striving beyond specific means" actually means, and why it should be considered a good thing? unless i am reading wrong

If they are reliant on salaried income there's an argument that upper middle class is the highest they can be.

totally! if you have to work you're still working class folks. keep in mind the big difference between assets and income too, $150K a year at 30 paying rent vs. $90K at 45 collecting rent

I don't think anyone ever "feels rich"

c what the fuck is up with this guy then

kerm genuine budgetary constraints = you aint gonna be feeling rich, i dont see how thats pathetic

laxalt thought it was clear im saying going to college & beyond even though it will force you & yr family into significant debt

Wages are traditionally income of the working class, and middle classes. and 'rich' people reliant on assets (though of course the value of that harder to quantify)

The problem of the last 40-50 years (and particularly the last 10) has been the 'democratization of assets' - the expansion of ownership to lower classes - a thinly veiled attempt to extend debt across society, with consumer taking place of now exported industries. Meaning huge swathes of 'wealth' that is purely theoretical, and ultimately ephemeral

So who exactly is rich?

my moneys still on gabbneb

I haven't seen any of it

$150K a year at 30 paying rent vs. $90K at 45 collecting rent

-- El Tomboto, Monday, April 7, 2008 10:57 PM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

While this is true, another way of formulating that is

$150K a year at 30 paying interest to the bank via a 3rd party vs. $90K at 45 collecting interest for the bank

i have told u all upthread that i am the richest motherfucker in this bitch

good i dont even care bye lix forever, im going to go get "max'd" fuck u all

who is lix?

ilx sry

bye etc

jhoshea gets to flounce off to the other side of the world for weeks on end while the rest of us cry into our fancy cheeses and shoes and such

see!

& scarves

bye forever guys

On a different note - I grew up pretty poor, but rich in private school education and those sorts of advantages.

My Mom worked as a manager for a half way house for developmentally disabled adults, then took a job as a dorm director/teacher at the private school I attended. (It's a long story...)

So, my Mom bought her first home, at age 61, about ten years ago. She bought a little house in a sort of borderline "bad" part of town (Springfield, MA.). for $45,000.00. She has about two payments left on the mortgage, and the house is valued at $120.000.00.
She started doing all of the careful investing at age forty - IRA's, putting money into different accounts.
She is by no means rich, but she owns her own home, can shop - and travel - as much as she wants, and she will be more than comfortable for the rest of her life.
She also has four children who, for the most part, could and would help and support her through the years.
I guess this doesn't even tie into the original question, but I think that the sad part is that my Mother will always be really upset by money - whereas I, who never have any money, do not care about it. I mean, I care to the extent that I want it when I need it - but I don't "care" for it. I don't love and nurture it.
Two of my brothers are rich - so, no matter what, my Mom is taken care of for the rest of her life (I assume, if the very worst happened, the sale of her house would pay for any long term care...which is exactly how she has planned it.).
My family never owned anything, so even buying a very used car at the age of 27 was a big deal for me. But I want to take a page from my Mom's book -o' -life and really start insuring myself - financially - for the future.
Anyway, I'm not the richest mofo at all - but I spend money like I'm rich. Because I always think I'm rich with just a hundred bucks.

It all stems from seeing the Pompeii exhibit in the 1980's. A child clutching a dog - preserved forever in some molten death -I dunno, I decided something.

Also, my landlord just stopped touring with his (really great) band: Angry Johnny and the Killbillies. After about 20 years. And he, the landlord, owns THREE properties!

And he's the drummer! And he does nothing except complain if I call him about the slightest thing that might be possibly happening vis-a-vis my apartment! (Like, important stuff. Leaking roof, for instance.)

Real estate. Buy it. Now. You too can be a Killbilly at age 40.

http://www.observer.com/2008/top-co-ops-amid-dismal-economy-no-fear-still-loathing?page=0%2C0

Kill 'em all.

me

pix or it didnt happen

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/richie_rich2.gif

My Mom paid her last mortgage payment May 1st! She bought right around the time that the housing market was as dreadful as it is right now.

I am so proud of her! it's the first house she has owned, and she owns it outright. And she's 74 years old and is volunteering and gardening..she really is comfortable now.

So, yup - still no idea who the richest mofo might be, but I am psyched for this milestone in my Mom's life.

Owning property is wealth.

I am amazed there's places in the US where you can buy a house for $45k. I dont think you can even buy a bedsit in Melbourne for under 100k. Or a garage.

We wanna buy a house. I dont think bf quite understands how unattainable that is in the current market, considering a v small house in my 'hood would be upwards of $400k, and we only earn $90 between us and have no savings. Sigh :(

xp or a cardboard box.

Er $90k obv.

Trayce, we are saving our arses off in anticipation of the big crash. Property is boom/bust, despite what all the economists are saying about now being a great time to buy. They're scared of everyone pulling out because it would send the market tumbling.

Yeah that buzz is starting to happen, so we should be mad saving (instead of, say, moving to higher rental). Instead lol guitars on ebay anyone? *grrr*.

I'm really trying to save now as well, for the same reason - supposed to be a drop in house prices here now, but it's so ludicrously expensive I wouldn't be able to get a mortgage big enough to buy anything unless they come down like 30% :(

I just found an entry on domain.com.au for $17,000 CAR SPACES. I mean ffs.

xxp Auctions are flopping all over the place. Dozens of people turning up, nobody bidding. There's talk of people from interstate coming here to take advantage of the 'low prices' but I think people will just leave the country.

Same, Poo. We checked recently just to see if we could manage $500,000 (the going price for a small two-bedroom flat) and there's no way in hell, yet the banks would still loan us the money, knowing we'd default and lose everything. Banks are cunce.

Where are you btw? UK?

There are apartments around here for way less than 500k Adam! Ive seen plenty at the 300 mark.

Shit though.

Overall, though, if you buy something now there's an excellent chance it'll lose 30% of its value in the next 1-2 years. Worst time ever to invest.

Did I mention the 3br place opposite us? Passed in at auction for $710,000. It's now on the market at $740,000. Yes you can see the city but jesus christ.

You have at least 5 years to save for this. Best time to buy anything is the other side of a recession, not going into one

As to the question depends what currency you get paid in

You have at least 5 years to save for this. Best time to buy anything is the other side of a recession, not going into one

-- Kondratieff, Saturday, 31 May 2008 10:39 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Exactly. Wait for all the currently-struggling people to default and lose everything (I hate that it's about to happen btw) and take advantage of a really shitty situation.

I'm in London, AA. The banks here won't do those ridiculous mortgages any more.

Wow. Ours still do it, but then we've just come off 12 years of a conservative fuckhead prime minister who let the banks do what they like. He's gone now but the damage has been done.

If you want to know how long to wait it is best to look at previous credit expansions and contractions and see how long it took asset prices to recover peak prices . pick the expansions/contractions you like best but it tends to take around half a decade to trough and another half decade to recover nominal value (real value is usually not recovered until next peak 15 or so years later)

Of course we haven't really seen an expansion this big before, or quite so global so it is new territory

But exposure to debt when employment prospects are receding and energy and food costs are spiraling is a move only for the very brave I think

All western countries are the same not just AUS (one exception is Germany - but they'll not escape because dragged down by the rest of eurozone)

But exposure to debt when employment prospects are receding and energy and food costs are spiraling is a move only for the very brave I think

-- Kondratieff, Saturday, 31 May 2008 10:47 (1 minute ago) Bookmark Link

Can you please tell this to my father-in-law?

Aus is quite different though (especially to the US), in that demand is far greater than supply. One of the other things aforementioned Conservative fuckhead prime minister did is ignore the fact that we have been running out of housing for years.

Unfortunately the world is populated with people that think that because they got a tan yesterday, shorts are the ideal attire for the rest of the week, and do not need to watch the weather forecast:/

Demand is a fallacy. It is supply and demand of credit, not supply and demand of houses. Aus is not different

Many people want Rolls Royce cars, it doesn't mean they can have them

I think we have the same problem. Most of the houses here were build 70+ years ago!

xxpost

I presume people wanted these houses 10 years ago when they were whatever fraction of the cost they are now?

Demand is a fallacy. It is supply and demand of credit, not supply and demand of houses. Aus is not different

To a point yes, but while the US went nuts building and is now seeing loads of areas failing to fill, Australia just doesn't have capacity. For a country this big it's frankly ridiculous, but there you go.

(I'm using the US as a contrast point because it's a good one)

Where are the people wanting to buy currently living? What is the rental market like?

Loads of young people are staying with their parents. I work with a few new grads (22-23yo) who have given up looking and just live with family now, in a spare room or a detached bedsit or whatever.

So yeah, the rental market is quite hideous. I've been renting ~12 years and I've never seen it like this.

What % has your rent changed over the last 10 years?

actually to make this fair - over the last 7

Mine went up 10% in 2 years, which was enough to price me out of the area.

Recently I saw a statistic which showed housing prices dropping slightly in all Western countries except Australia (and NZ too, I think), where prices are still on the increase. I think it's mainly investors who are trying to buy up whole suburbs and turn them into rental areas.

Our rent has only gone up a small amount (25%, maybe?) in the five years we've been here, but the landlord has had bad experiences and wants to keep us here. There's also some law protecting ongoing renters against sharp inflation. If we tried to move we'd see a significant jump.

I seem to have lucked out where I am now - my landlord likes us and wants us to stay on, because he had problem tenants before us, so he hasn't said anything about putting up the rent and we've been here a year now.

Wow.

Specifically where are you?

Walthamstow

25% in 7 years is falling real terms. Surely if there was that much of a shortage rents would have risen properly.

I also don't quite understand how rents are going to rise in a recession - surely people will be less able to pay and will have to return home when they lose job

I just looked up average salaries and prices in AUS. How do you say, is it o_O ?

I mean...wouldn't they get a better return in the bank?

helpful hint: nobody who'd announce on an ilx thread that they're really kicking ass financially is actually making real money

Hehe I completely forgot this was the bragging thread!

...and personally this nouveau pauvre status of mine is getting a bit old for me. (xpost)

Yeah I was lucky my rent didnt go up at ALLfor the first hmm..five years here? And even now it's only gone up by minor amounts 3 times. I've been here 8 years and I'm only paying about $20 a week more than when I started.

I ain't going nowhere.

25% in 7 years is falling real terms. Surely if there was that much of a shortage rents would have risen properly.

The rental crunch has only really hit in the past two years, and there are laws preventing rental hikes above a certain percentage (5? 10?). Housing values have been crazy for a long time though.

I also don't quite understand how rents are going to rise in a recession - surely people will be less able to pay and will have to return home when they lose job

The main reason rentals have become so tight recently is people like Trayce and I/me can't buy anything. If we were this age 10 years ago we'd have bought, no problem. When the recession hits and people have to default on loans, I presume their erstwhile houses/flats will be bought by rich bastards and turned into rentals, but that's not happening yet.

I just looked up average salaries and prices in AUS. How do you say, is it o_O ?

I mean...wouldn't they get a better return in the bank?

Sorry, I've no idea what you mean.

Sorry, I've no idea what you mean.

Prices are very very high for the salaries - precarious to say the least

I presume their erstwhile houses/flats will be bought by rich bastards and turned into rentals, but that's not happening yet.

Perhaps perhaps not. If that happens it will drive rents down. But these rich bastards will need access to funds, the gearing will not be so easy - are there really enough cash rich to do this in any number. And it looks rather a long way down before the numbers make any sense again for investors even if they do have funds (there are a lot of places to put money that offer higher return and less risk)

Prices are very very high for the salaries - precarious to say the least

Ah, yes then. Standards of living here are excellent, but salaries to house prices is murder.

And it looks rather a long way down before the numbers make any sense again for investors even if they do have funds

This precisely is why I don't understand the situation. Buying any property here now is simply not an investment, unless you already own things and are essentially just swapping investments with other rich bastards.

My rent - this is Canada - has increased by 40% in the past two years. Hellish.

"Demand is a fallacy. It is supply and demand of credit, not supply and demand of houses."

Demand isnt a fallacy, credit is part of it but land, population growth, infrastucture, regulation, tax structure, construction costs, etc are very important.

"25% in 7 years is falling real terms"

25% + CAPITAL GAINS.

an average of 200%, tax free ( no capital gains tax here) increase in real terms over last ten years isnt a bad return by anyones standards.

If your return is about capital appreciation and doesn't provide a real yield then you are in a precarious position indeed. One might even call such a situation bubble territory

For in such a scenario asset prices rises only make sense if they are continuing to rise relative to salaries and a large component of the prices must factor this in and we are in. Markets entirely reliant on credit can make a lot of money for people who get in at the beginning of an expansionary cycle and get out at the end (or, as you say, the last 10 years)

Demand isnt a fallacy, credit is part of it but land, population growth, infrastucture, regulation, tax structure, construction costs, etc are very important.

Demand is desire backed by ability to pay. In western countries - take away or reduce credit and demand plummets even when desire or sentiment is strong. This is less prevalent in countries where credit isn't so readily available (though those markets have also been distorted due to the presence of western investors borrowing from their own banks - parts of eastern europe etc)

xp Yes, and (at least in the case of Aus) salaries have increased at a tiny fraction of the 'value' of property.

The other thing thats interesting is that these 200% gains (and more in some countries) from an essentially non-productive activity don't really say a lot for the value of a currency! ie no actual wealth really created here - its just a form of money supply increase or currency devaluation surely (isn't this what we've been seeing with the dollar and now the rest of the currencies) and isn't this why we're seeing the things we buy overseas like food and oil rise so much?

Isn't this the payoff - basically printed a whole bunch of money for a decade - lent it to each other - spent it - and convinced ourselves we are richer?

Pretty much.

Incidentally, Australia has been riding on the back of a mining boom for the part few years, so cities like Perth which were dirt cheap 10 years ago are now revoltingly unaffordable. Something like a 500-700 percent jump. The rest of the country hasn't eased in response, though.

Thats where Rio Tinto are isn't it?

dunno.

Interestingly going back to the 200% rise over 10 years, a 40% fall over the next 4 years would make a total gain of 80% over 14 years (or somewhere less than 5% per year minus maintenance and costs) for someone who bought right at the very beginning! For those who bought more recently of course the figures are not so good

For those that timed their exit as well as their entry on the other hand, quote the goldmine!

i found FIVE DOLLARS doing the laundry tonight. once it dries out i'll be all set for breakfast tomorrow.

(nb that's like almost five canadian dollars)

or 12 Australian cents

is that enough for a wombat?

depends on what the wombat is planning to buy

AA what is the development of new housing and suburbs in AUS like? Is there any interest in 'new urbanity' or designs for suburbs and towns that are less car-focused?

sorry 'new urbanism' is what I meant to say!

It's all about cars here. We have public transport, but for 95 percent of the population it's inadequate, poorly planned and not keeping up with urban growth.

re credit, I just think demand is influenced by other factors beyond the avilaibility of credit.

as for housing price rise = prinitng off money, I dont really understand monetary flows that well but to my mind a house isnt just a "paper investment", its physical for starters and investment in housing stimulates consmer spending but its also a SERVICE with not just wealth benefits but huge social and health benefits.

Famous last words but the market wont crash over here.

I might be in serious consideration for the poorest, especially if you factor in my parents. But I live in a city that is community based enough and have enough artist friends that I can get by even if I don't really own anything.

i am the richest mother fucker posting on this board

I don't need (*pfff*) MONEY. I just need anti-depressants!

I am rich in SSRIs.

Famous last words but the market wont crash over here.

-- Kiwi, Saturday, 31 May 2008 15:45 (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Link

The deciding factor in this whole boom is the banks' willingness to overlend. When the recession bites and people can't afford their repayments, there will be defaults all over the place. This is the only logical outcome.

money can buy u antidepressants

i am the richest mother fucker posting on this board

i have seven billion dollars

i own a mansion and a yacht

my dick is a yacht and you can set sail whenever youd like big boy

b/w getting engaged to abbott & having the chance the set sail on burt stantons yachtdick this is one of the greatest nights of my life

My mother does not approve of this from her owner home.

when i stop having seven billion dollars i might actually give a shit

truth bomb

Soros to thread.

It's all about cars here. We have public transport, but for 95 percent of the population it's inadequate, poorly planned and not keeping up with urban growth.

-- Autumn Almanac,

Figured as much -- same as US. Very interested in the future of this. Got to be a major growth field over next 40 years. Growth at moment poorly planned, and overly car reliant. Australia and US way behind China, Japan and even Europe in looking at these issues. Low density suburbs with inadequate public transport links likely to become inescapable traps in a few decades time.

as for housing price rise = prinitng off money, I dont really understand monetary flows that well but to my mind a house isnt just a "paper investment", its physical for starters and investment in housing stimulates consmer spending

Money is created via debt. This is why house prices 'must' continue to rise to avoid the spectre of deflation. Banks 'create' new money via lending. New wealth is not created via this, but new money is - after all it is still the same house as it was 5,10,30 years ago. It isn't 'worth' any more than it used to be, it is merely that there is more money in the system and that money is created through house buying - kind of where inflation starts (wage and price rises are symptoms not causes). Once it loses connection with reality (wages, rents) then a crash is inevitable, same as every other time, same as all the other countries

Although AA makes interesting points about mining and other factors, Australia is not fundamentally different to any of the other countries where they said 'it won't happen here'

Do you have something like Spreadfair?

If this isn't being realised yet in Aus you might be able to make some decent money off that - because you in effect bet against other people rather than the system, and the majority of people tend to think prices only ever go up - denial is a major factor everytime and the belief that actual wealth creation has occurred does not dissipate easily (only problem with this is which statistics are used so you have to be careful not to get caught out!)

#24, Soros, George

Net Worth: $7.2 billion

#25, deeznuts

Net Worth: $7.0 blllion

fuckin soros, fu aimchurchie

then it's like NO ILXORS AT ALL til #52 (I DIED, obv)

No Spreadfair here.

#1 jhøshea rothschild $a secret amount of billions

I AM VAHID, I TOOK 3 ULYSSES COURSES. I OWN A MANSION AND A YACHT. -- hstencil (hstencil), Wednesday, 2 March 2005 22:18 (3 years ago)

All hail burt stanton, the man is good. Kon I should recall how the money suply works but Im dead to it these days, but it would seem odd to say "money is ONLY created through debt " that would only make sense if an economy was a closed system, why cant money also be created through growth?

WHat is "reality", the wage /price gap might have to ease, but I dont see why it HAS to reduce to traditional levels if people are prepared to wait longer before purchasing a house and save more or alternatively become more comfortable with higher levels of debt.

More burt pls.

vahid also has a nice car accoring to goooogle

according to gooooogle image search vahid has a giant bust of his head in azerbaijan
http://www.advantour.com/img/azarbaijan/baku/vahid_poetist_monument_baku.jpg

that thing would be creepy as shit at night w/ that spotlight shining on it

but it would seem odd to say "money is ONLY created through debt " that would only make sense if an economy was a closed system, why cant money also be created through growth?

Wealth is created by growth, not money. When you borrow money to start a business or buy a house money is created at that point, and when you pay it back it is destroyed. All money (well apart from physical printed money which is a tiny fraction of money) is created this way. When you 'borrow' money the bank doesn't lend you money from one of their depositors accounts. it creates it, new money is born. The growth comes from the work you do to pay that back. Its borrowing from the future in essence. At any one time if all the loans in existence had to be paid back it would not be possible (similarly if everyone tried to withdraw all their cash from the banks it would not be possible). There isn't enough money in existence - the minute you borrow $100k you owe $100k +interest - if you gave the $100k back you would owe a bit more still. Its why every country in the world is in debt.

I dont see why it HAS to reduce to traditional levels if people are prepared to wait longer before purchasing a house and save more or alternatively become more comfortable with higher levels of debt

I'm sure people are more comfortable with debt! The last decade has shown that clearly. The problem is when the banks become worried about the debt and are no longer comfortable with it, and start pulling the plug.

This happened every other time and it is happening again. An expansion inevitably leads to a contraction and then a recession

Well, I'm not worried because I can always borrow money from deeznuts, or my mom.

Ahh ok, yes that makes sense. I was stuck on the thought of increased productivity within an economy or export reciepts/injection of capital from overseas "creating money" for some reason, bit of a worry that I used to teach high school economics.

Are you an urban planner?

The NY Times has an article today about some banks deciding
to no longer provide loans to community colleges & some less selective 4 year schools...basically because the loans are smaller than at bigger schools and they make less money off of them. This is really depressing.