the Whit Stillman Poll

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Poll Results

OptionVotes
The Last Days of Disco (1998)14
Metropolitan (1990) 9
Barcelona (1994) 5


nicky lo-fi, Friday, 18 January 2008 08:20 (eighteen years ago)

I like to fantasize about going clubbing with Chloë Sevigny and Kate Beckinsale, so I picked The Last Days of Disco

nicky lo-fi, Friday, 18 January 2008 08:23 (eighteen years ago)

...but I do love all three.

nicky lo-fi, Friday, 18 January 2008 08:24 (eighteen years ago)

first half of metropolitan i guess? i like barcelona for sentimental reasons tho it's not that good... and last days of disco flat out sucks.

s1ocki, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:13 (eighteen years ago)

Cannot (and I've tried) stay awake through Metropolitan and Barcelona was downright painful(ly embarrassing for everyone involved). So I say Disco for giving Chris Eigerman the perfect role.

Laurel, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:18 (eighteen years ago)

barcelona

n/a, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:23 (eighteen years ago)

scrooge mcduck is so sexy

mizzell, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:46 (eighteen years ago)

i knew i messed it up
There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck.

mizzell, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:51 (eighteen years ago)

also, Rick von Sloneker

mizzell, Friday, 18 January 2008 15:56 (eighteen years ago)

Metropolitan, easily.

and last days of disco flat out sucks.

This is sort of o_O.

C0L1N B..., Friday, 18 January 2008 16:40 (eighteen years ago)

o_OTM

s1ocki, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:42 (eighteen years ago)

I vaguely remember sort of liking Metro. I guess I enjoyed LDOD in spite of, well, a lot of things. I passed straight out about 17 minutes into Barcelona, never tried again.

will, Friday, 18 January 2008 16:44 (eighteen years ago)

Barcelona has the best Chris Eigerman schtick so that one.

Alex in SF, Friday, 18 January 2008 17:01 (eighteen years ago)

OMG DISCO PWNS SLOKI GO HOME

ULTIMATE: http://youtube.com/watch?v=qC7aqg7qzSQ !!!

jhøshea, Friday, 18 January 2008 18:30 (eighteen years ago)

Metropolitan, but I do love Chris Eigemann in Barcelona. I like Last Days of Disco!

horseshoe, Friday, 18 January 2008 18:39 (eighteen years ago)

"it's a composite. like New York magazine does!"

horseshoe, Friday, 18 January 2008 18:41 (eighteen years ago)

"it's a composite. like New York magazine does!"
-Nick Sylvester

Steve Shasta, Friday, 18 January 2008 18:45 (eighteen years ago)

I keep not-voting and thinking maybe I'll decide later, but ... this is too hard for me. Pure clunky low-budget Stillman (M), assured less-claustrophobic semi-conventional Stillman (LDoD), or a kind of midpoint between the two (B)? I think the answer is some kind of high-budget version of Metropolitan with costumes and disco, called Metro Disco.

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:22 (eighteen years ago)

Wait, I'm going to vote for Metropolitan, based on it not having that thing where it's 3/4 of the way through and he's not sure how to push the plot along so someone has to go to the hospital

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:23 (eighteen years ago)

Last Days of Disco (Sevigny, Beckinsale, Keeslar all totally hot)

Dr Morbius, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:25 (eighteen years ago)

Ha, one thing I like about LDoD: Sevigny has this particular cute-face that she makes in lots of things, but it's a very conscious cute-face, like a look that is DEPLOYED for specific purposes; this movie is really smart about having her continually use it in that way, where she makes her hard-to-resist cute-face but she is doing it for specific reasons within the plot.

Similarly, it's one of few films to have figured out that no matter how much Hollywood would like Beckinsale to be some kind of cute lovable leading lady and/or action hero, she kinda comes off like a totally awful icy mean-girl, and is most compelling when cast accordingly.

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:29 (eighteen years ago)

Did I ever ask on ILX how it works when Audrey Rouget is in Last Days of Disco as what appears to be a grown-up publishing person, even though Metropolitan would seem to be set slightly AFTER that time period?

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:31 (eighteen years ago)

yes you did! i have spent way too much time trying to figure stuff like that out. taylor nichols has a brief cameo in LDoD, also, and I try to figure out whether he's Barcelona-taylor nichols or Metropolitan-Taylor Nichols.

horseshoe, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:37 (eighteen years ago)

Well but his whole cameo involves talking about great sales opportunities with a company in Spain, doesn't it?

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:38 (eighteen years ago)

oh fine. shut up it's been a while since i've seen it.

horseshoe, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:39 (eighteen years ago)

I still say it would have been funnier if he'd said "wow, there's a manager here who looks EXACTLY like my cousin!"

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:42 (eighteen years ago)

i think i said this on the other thread, but he appears twice - as both characters.

lauren, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:43 (eighteen years ago)

i think he's even credited as such... could be wrong, though.

lauren, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:44 (eighteen years ago)

on imdb he's listed as Charlie Black & Ted Boynton
xp

mizzell, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:45 (eighteen years ago)

I feel like I have to bow to Lauren now

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:46 (eighteen years ago)

I also feel like there is something we're supposed to be getting out of Carlos Jacott's appearance in it (the guy walking the dog), but I have no idea what; the only connection I can imagine being winked at is, like, Kicking and Screaming

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:47 (eighteen years ago)

"Mansfield Park?! Why, it's a notoriously bad book! Even Lionel Trilling, one of her biggest defenders, says so."

"Well, if Lionel Trilling said that, he's an idiot."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:50 (eighteen years ago)

ahaha "I don't read novels. I prefer good literary criticism."

horseshoe, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:54 (eighteen years ago)

boy, does my mother enjoy that line (re: trilling).

lauren, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:55 (eighteen years ago)

nabisco, i think that the nichols as ted cameo is way more memorable because he actually has a few lines. as charlie, you just see him solicitously escorted audrey.

lauren, Friday, 18 January 2008 19:56 (eighteen years ago)

Isn't Metropolitan fairly ambiguous about when exactly it takes place, it just says like "Some time in the past" or something like that? It always seemed to me to be taking place in the late 60s/early 70s, so Audrey's age in LDoD worked fine for me.

The Yellow Kid, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:07 (eighteen years ago)

It says something about the recent past; I've always interpreted it as early-80s. Late 60s never crossed my mind -- if that's the idea, he's asking for a lot of leeway with regard to clothing and car models!

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

But if Audrey is all grown up and a well-known editor by the disco era, I suppose early-70s it must be ...

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:14 (eighteen years ago)

....not naming names but i think that somebodies need to rent the criterion editions and listen to the director commentaries...

Steve Shasta, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:38 (eighteen years ago)

someone with more free time and a longer attention span than me, clearly

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:40 (eighteen years ago)

DVD commentaries: what the world never needed

Dr Morbius, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:42 (eighteen years ago)

Metropolitan makes me want to vomit. I like Barcelona, but Last Days of Disco has to win. Perfect portrayal of that generation and class, with a killer soundtrack, and lots of amaaaazing one-liners. More than in his other movies, I think.

the table is the table, Friday, 18 January 2008 20:44 (eighteen years ago)

LDD is great. And it's got to be at least 1978 because of the speech at the end which mentions Travolta and Newton-John. I always assumed it was 1978 for some reason.

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:22 (eighteen years ago)

pretty sure it is later than that.

i don't really understand how people can have such varying opinions of these movies. they seem of a piece to me.

mizzell, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:33 (eighteen years ago)

metropolitan=about girls

barcelona=about boys

horseshoe, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:42 (eighteen years ago)

ldd = about disco

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:43 (eighteen years ago)

pretty sure it is later than that.

Isn't there mention of yuppies? I might be wrong. When were yuppies anyway?

Ned Trifle II, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:44 (eighteen years ago)

yeah, there are 5 billion mentions of yuppies.

horseshoe, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:45 (eighteen years ago)

metropolitan = don't hate me because i'm rich
barcelona = don't hate me because i'm american
last days of disco = don't hate me because i like clubbing

(this may sound like i'm making fun, but i actually like the way stillman goes at this stuff, which tends to be complicated and aware and worthwhile)

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:47 (eighteen years ago)

no that seems right. those three are all kind of the same thing.

horseshoe, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:48 (eighteen years ago)

maybe everyone on the "what class are you" thread should watch metropolitan

max, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

i mean, all three contain a lengthy speech in which someone defends himself on exactly those terms

xpost - i think Last Days of Disco specifically says something about "the very early 80s" -- although there is footage of the Chicago disco demolition in it (which was ... 78?), and I always thought the word "yuppies" didn't really explode until around the 84 election (but they were hip NYCers, they might have just been ahead of the curve)

nabisco, Friday, 18 January 2008 21:49 (eighteen years ago)

Isn't Metropolitan fairly ambiguous about when exactly it takes place, it just says like "Some time in the past" or something like that? It always seemed to me to be taking place in the late 60s/early 70s, so Audrey's age in LDoD worked fine for me.

When I spent a lot more time thinking about Whit Stillman than I do now, I figured that the reference to Averell Harriman's age (I think maybe Audrey says something about him being in his 70s) sets the film in the 60s. I think I remember reading Stillman say that he was thinking of the early 60s when he made it but wanted it to remain ambiguous.

C0L1N B..., Friday, 18 January 2008 21:51 (eighteen years ago)

Pretty sure LDD is supposed be, like, '81-82ish.

C0L1N B..., Friday, 18 January 2008 21:52 (eighteen years ago)

Also, nabsico is OTM about the hospital device in Barcelona. I never understood why LDD is supposed to be this big disappointment after Barcelona.

C0L1N B..., Friday, 18 January 2008 21:53 (eighteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

ILX System, Saturday, 26 January 2008 00:01 (eighteen years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

ILX System, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:01 (eighteen years ago)

I assume that the endorsement of the flat-footed The Last Days of Disco implicitly comments on Whit Stillman fans' disdain for dancing.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:04 (eighteen years ago)

i love last days of disco! but i did not vote in this poll. but i do love it best. my brother-in-law edited it! i like to mention that when the subject comes up. well, he's married to maria's sister. whatever that makes him to me.

scott seward, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:10 (eighteen years ago)

I keep getting Whit Stillman confused with Slim Whitman.

http://www.nndb.com/people/970/000022904/slim-whitman-crop.jpg

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:23 (eighteen years ago)

I couldn't bear "Last Days of Disco" as it basically implied that disco was a movement that catered exclusively to white, affluent, shitheads, which couldn't have been further from the truth.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:26 (eighteen years ago)

Ok, but there's a difference between that and "lots of white, affluent shitheads liked disco", right?

The Yellow Kid, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:32 (eighteen years ago)

he wasn't making a friggin' documentary. he writes what he knows.

scott seward, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:33 (eighteen years ago)

"Oh, so you're one of those mass transit snobs."

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Sunday, 27 January 2008 00:35 (eighteen years ago)

he writes what he knows.

In this instance, it seems more like he wrote what he wrongly assumed.

Alex in NYC, Sunday, 27 January 2008 02:07 (eighteen years ago)

This result came in in the wrong order.

Alba, Sunday, 27 January 2008 02:21 (eighteen years ago)

one year passes...

finally saw last days of disco last night - not bad. nabisco otm re: beckinsale being born for that kind of role. also rescreened ; ) metropolitan a couple of weeks back. awkward low-budget stuff and non-pro actors aside that holds up well.

velko, Saturday, 14 November 2009 20:33 (sixteen years ago)

Love all of these but I'm baffled by how Metropolitan, not just the best Whit Stillman movie but maybe the best movie of its kind, didn't leave Disco in the dust.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 14 November 2009 20:55 (sixteen years ago)

Metropolitan is a movie I can watch over and over and over.

windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic), Saturday, 14 November 2009 21:26 (sixteen years ago)

last days of disco is one of my favourite movies ever, also the soundtrack is maybe my most played album ever

plaxico (I know, right?), Saturday, 14 November 2009 21:26 (sixteen years ago)

seven months pass...

i rewatched metropolitan & i had forgotten how sad and weird the last third of the movie is, partic the scene where charlie and tom talk about failure with the older uhb dude @ a bar

also the blank dismissal of fourier with "i wouldnt want to live on a farm" in the cab to southhampton, is ~amazing~

Lamp, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 03:11 (fifteen years ago)

one year passes...

Watched Metropolitan for the first time in maybe 20 years the other night, it's still very good. Eigeman and Taylor Nichols are both pricelessly funny, tho I find the sudden appearance of a weapon kind of inexplicable, psychologically.

talk about failure with the older uhb dude @ a bar

This is great, esp the way the guy accepts the existence of "ub?" as a term. I didn't find their convo particularly sad, just... realistic.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 19:05 (thirteen years ago)

"Where do they get off?"

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 19:12 (thirteen years ago)

I find the sudden appearance of a weapon kind of inexplicable, psychologically.

After many, many watchings of this movie I finally understood that this is the toy gun that Tom finds in the trash outside his childhood apartment. I think it's some kind of failure of direction that makes it read as a real gun.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 2 May 2012 23:07 (thirteen years ago)

well I presumed it wasn't real, but I didn't recall a gun being seen in the toy box.

Anyway, it's funny how that actor's career disappeared, tho he 'only' played a noodge pretty well.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 00:11 (thirteen years ago)

he's a priest or found god something, I think someone posted a youtube about it in this thread

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 3 May 2012 00:17 (thirteen years ago)

lol nm some other thread

puff puff post (uh oh I'm having a fantasy), Thursday, 3 May 2012 00:17 (thirteen years ago)

The only dud is the actor who played Rick Von Slonaker is terrible -- Rick Von Surfer amirite

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:16 (thirteen years ago)

Eigeman builds up the legend of Rick Von Slonaker so well that, whenever I rewatch, I always forget he actually appears in the movie.

I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:23 (thirteen years ago)

"It's a composite! Like New York magazine does."

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:40 (thirteen years ago)

eigeman as nick smith is *dream city*

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 01:49 (thirteen years ago)

So YOU'RE one of those public transportation snobs!

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:00 (thirteen years ago)

Metropoliatee

buzza, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:03 (thirteen years ago)

sometime in her senior year, she started feeling depressed. now, part of it was finally becoming disillusioned with horses. but there were some real psychological problems too.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:19 (thirteen years ago)

you're a slob, sexist, totally obnoxious and tiresome, and lately you've gotten just weird.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:22 (thirteen years ago)

lol snob, obv, chris eigeman is not a slob

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:23 (thirteen years ago)

i guess you could say it's extremely vulgar. i like it a lot.

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:23 (thirteen years ago)

i am not tiresome!

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:24 (thirteen years ago)

i guess you could say it's extremely vulgar. i like it a lot.

Eigeman can do no wrong in this movie, but his delivery of this line just flattens everything else.

I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:25 (thirteen years ago)

Driver. Follow that pedestrian.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:27 (thirteen years ago)

He's a considerate and selfish man. The rest is just a superficial game, a facade -- which you've obviously been taken in by.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:29 (thirteen years ago)

soto, morbs: new one opens here friday - i'm damn near camping out, catching the first show at five whatever. do i need to temper my expectations? is it a mess? does he still have the 'eye of the tiger'?

balls, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:32 (thirteen years ago)

I haven't watched it yet -- tomorrow night mehopes

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:34 (thirteen years ago)

i am not soto or morbs but the new one is very funny and kind of diffuse. gerwig is tremendous. it feels unfinished. not as good as metropolitan, for sure.

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:34 (thirteen years ago)

upset that i did not see it when i had the shot

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:34 (thirteen years ago)

NOBODY ASKED YOU "HORSESHOE"

balls, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:36 (thirteen years ago)

haha sorry. could have used some eigeman, but what couldn't?

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:37 (thirteen years ago)

jk

vaguely related since gerwig (who i do love) is in this and the ten minutes of kicking and screaming i could bear back in nineteen ninety whatever struck me as a very poor attempt at whit stillman: i did LOVE greenberg. shit HIT HOME. the scene w/ the kids and he's making them listen to 'the chauffeur'? HIT HOME. should i give his (baumbach, not ben stiller) earlier movies a shot (or 'screening')? ppl still talk about the squid and the whale and i thought for sure that would be a movie ppl would forget about after a year and then years later you'd think 'ha, remember when ppl thought this was a good movie?'

balls, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:40 (thirteen years ago)

related: little worried i might be too old now to enjoy a whit stillman movie about foolish young ppl. apparently not too old for the avengers though. cinema is dead.

balls, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:42 (thirteen years ago)

i used to group baumbach and stillman in my mind back when baumbach had only done kicking and screaming and that slighter party one--highball? kicking and screaming is classic imo. i guess in a sense squid and the whale is better, but it's not the one i've seen 95 times. i couldn't deal with margot at the wedding. i have some kind of avoidance issue with greenberg, but i guess i should just watch it.

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:44 (thirteen years ago)

i think the critical line on baumbach is that his early movies were slick but squid and the whale is where he matured or grew a soul or something. i prefer kicking and screaming, further evidence of arrested development, i guess.

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:46 (thirteen years ago)

K&S isn't bad but the dialogue isn't sparkly enough for those actors. Sluggish pace too.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:48 (thirteen years ago)

Baumbach gets points for Carlos Jacott, a Whit Stillman actor who never appeared in a Whit Stillman movie.

I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:48 (thirteen years ago)

Come to think of it Carlos Jacott is something of a Whedon regular as well...

I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:48 (thirteen years ago)

kicking and screaming is nonstop sparkling dialogue!

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)

memorable turn on firefly!

balls, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:49 (thirteen years ago)

The helldemon who posed as a social worker and trapped Buffy in hell - Season 3, ep. 1.

I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:50 (thirteen years ago)

david simon was right, i need to revisit buffy

balls, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:51 (thirteen years ago)

otm

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:52 (thirteen years ago)

Cannot remember a thing about LDD, beyond liking it at one time. Maybe worth a revisit?

I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Thursday, 3 May 2012 02:56 (thirteen years ago)

His worst, although I've got friends who can quote reams of its crappy dialogue. It's the only time his low budgets cramped his aesthetic (the discos look like high school cafeterias).

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:01 (thirteen years ago)

it's really funny

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:02 (thirteen years ago)

and it's better than barcelona (i am not a dude fwiw)

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:02 (thirteen years ago)

ldd owns

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:03 (thirteen years ago)

prefer Barcelona (the only one I've seen in the THEE-ah-ter).

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:04 (thirteen years ago)

Like Barcelona alot, largely because, despite the fact that someone is shot and there are explosions, it has only the vaguest notion of a plot, just Eigeman and Taylor hanging out 80% of the time. At least that's how I remember it.

I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:07 (thirteen years ago)

barcelona is kind of boring and gross. chris eigeman is beautiful, though.

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:07 (thirteen years ago)

saw Taylor Nichols in a late "Murder, She Wrote" episode :/

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:10 (thirteen years ago)

taylor nichols has appeared in some suspect shit (mind of a married man)

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:11 (thirteen years ago)

imdb sez he's in Damsels - four for four!

I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:15 (thirteen years ago)

yeah...carolyn farina has a bit part in damsels, too

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:15 (thirteen years ago)

I am watching Barcelona

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:41 (thirteen years ago)

i really want to see barcelona again haven't seen it since it was in the theaters and i remember being very lukewarm about it.

carolyn farina is so cute

buzza, Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:44 (thirteen years ago)

i saw all of them in the theaters you hulu watching poseurs

balls, Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:51 (thirteen years ago)

metropolitian almost definitely the best, barcelona almost definitely the 'worst', last days of disco my fave.

balls, Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:52 (thirteen years ago)

that is an acceptable pov

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:53 (thirteen years ago)

We'll all realize our hubris when posterity declares that episode of HOMICIDE he directed to be the best.

I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:55 (thirteen years ago)

I just watched Barcelona and it was very unengaging.

Time, a group with Jam and Lewis (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:57 (thirteen years ago)

http://storage.people.com/people/archive/jpgs/19901001/19901001-750-85.jpg

balls, Thursday, 3 May 2012 03:58 (thirteen years ago)

a secaret ant land-a-ing strip

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 04:02 (thirteen years ago)

https://www.twitter.com/whitstillman

caro's johnson (Eazy), Thursday, 3 May 2012 04:26 (thirteen years ago)

WAH

balls, Thursday, 3 May 2012 04:29 (thirteen years ago)

a stepmother of unTRAMMELED malevolence!!

Reg, Thursday, 3 May 2012 04:47 (thirteen years ago)

it's weird how many of the actors in Met look familiar but have sparse imdb pages + i can't quite place them. maybe they just have the look of someone who could've been famous

Mordy, Thursday, 3 May 2012 11:33 (thirteen years ago)

soto, morbs: new one opens here friday

I haven't seen it, too busy writing about shit no one cares about.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 11:39 (thirteen years ago)

omg these poll results are dead wrong!

flopson, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:23 (thirteen years ago)

yeah...carolyn farina has a bit part in damsels, too

― horseshoe, Wednesday, May 2, 2012 11:15 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i saw this last night & didn't notice, what was it?

flopson, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:25 (thirteen years ago)

barcalona is the funniest one imho

lag∞n, Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:25 (thirteen years ago)

just googled taylor nichols and it suggested to me that i search for chris eigeman instead

these pretzels are makeing me horney (Hungry4Ass), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:55 (thirteen years ago)

i like barcelona a lot; eigeman's genuinely wounded imperialism is hilarious.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:56 (thirteen years ago)

jumping out of the car to huffily try and remove anti-american graffiti with a sharpie.

their private gesture for bison (difficult listening hour), Thursday, 3 May 2012 15:57 (thirteen years ago)

eigeman is definitely the best part, but it's not as funny as ldd

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:01 (thirteen years ago)

i like when he's making fun of dustin hoffman in the graduate. "elaine, elaine"

horseshoe, Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:01 (thirteen years ago)

Metropolitan is the only one I've seen. I don't remember a lot about it except feeling like there were a lot of inside jokes going on that I didn't get. The friend who recommended it to me was a scholarship kid at a highly prestigious private school so maybe it meant more to her.

i don't believe in zimmerman (Hurting 2), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:32 (thirteen years ago)

it def helps if you find the mention of well-placed Averill Harriman, Bunuel, and Trilling references thrilling in itself.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 3 May 2012 16:40 (thirteen years ago)

I don't read literary criticism, I just read blogs about it.

World Congress of Itch (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 3 May 2012 17:19 (thirteen years ago)

just realized Robert Sean Leonard is in Last Days

Mordy, Friday, 4 May 2012 19:52 (thirteen years ago)

omg these poll results are dead wrong!

yeah metropolitan is the best but i like them all so much that theyre all deserving winners, gold medals all around imo

Lamp, Friday, 4 May 2012 20:05 (thirteen years ago)

who do you think whit stillman's favourite authors are?

flopson, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:18 (thirteen years ago)

f scott?

Mordy, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:22 (thirteen years ago)

jane austin?

Mordy, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:22 (thirteen years ago)

fourier

I serve at the pleasure of Dr. Dre and a team of Sorbonne scientists. (R Baez), Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:23 (thirteen years ago)

i'd guess oscar wilde too

Mordy, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:23 (thirteen years ago)

he says jane austen & tolstoy and then some other author/novel that i can't make out at 9:40 here

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/3494

can you figure that out?

flopson, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:37 (thirteen years ago)

■The Life of Samuel Johnson by James Boswell (unabridged edition)
■Essay on Man by Alexander Pope
■Childhood, Boyhood, Youth by Leo Tolstoy
■Portrait of Max: An Intimate Memoir of Sir Max Beerbohm by S.N. Behrman
■The Price Was High: Fifty Uncollected Stories by F. Scott Fitzgerald

flopson, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:49 (thirteen years ago)

otm re fitzgerald, his short stories were his best work

Mordy, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:53 (thirteen years ago)

can you make out what he's saying in that charlie rose clip, mordy?

flopson, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:54 (thirteen years ago)

i cannot

Mordy, Sunday, 6 May 2012 03:58 (thirteen years ago)

Salinger!

timellison, Sunday, 6 May 2012 05:23 (thirteen years ago)

"Essay on Man" is awesome for its epigrammatic virtues.

lol "The Price is High" I read as a senior year high school Fitz obsessive.

Exile in lolville (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 6 May 2012 05:51 (thirteen years ago)

have any of you read his (stillman's) novel?

flopson, Sunday, 6 May 2012 17:49 (thirteen years ago)

seven months pass...

Bought a ticket to see him introduce The Last Days of Disco on Thursday. He's here Wednesday for Metropolitan, which is probably the better film; just felt like seeing Last Days instead. (I've still never seen Barcelona.) I feel like I should wear a bow tie for some reason.

clemenza, Saturday, 8 December 2012 15:10 (thirteen years ago)

Baumbach gets points for Carlos Jacott, a Whit Stillman actor who never appeared in a Whit Stillman movie.

I just want to pedantically point out that Carlos Jacott actually does have the tiniest of cameos in Last Days of Disco

Panaïs Pnin (The Yellow Kid), Tuesday, 11 December 2012 07:34 (thirteen years ago)

that is a pivotal scene

conrad, Tuesday, 11 December 2012 16:05 (thirteen years ago)

I liked The Last Days of Disco more than the couple of times I saw it when it first came out. I probably liked it as much as I can like a film where every conversation sounds like lines being read. Great music, of course, and excellent Demme-like coda.

The Q&A was an ordeal. First of all the guy running it took up the first half-hour--I just wanted him to shut up and turn it over to the audience. Stillman mumbles and rambles--I could barely understand him. (It wasn't the acoustics; I could hear the other guy fine.) If I did hear one thing correctly--Stillman saying that by 1969, black music had disappeared from the radio--his memory is either extremely faulty, or he was listening to some format other than Top 40 radio. 1970-72 was one of the greatest periods for black music on Top 40 radio ever. If he meant that there were obscure proto-disco records not being played on the radio, then I'm sure he's right about that--even though something like Chakachas' "Jungle Fever" was a big hit.

clemenza, Friday, 14 December 2012 04:10 (thirteen years ago)

one year passes...

Watched Barcelona for the first time last night. It has its flaws but I loved it like nothing I've seen in a long time.

despite the fact that someone is shot and there are explosions, it has only the vaguest notion of a plot, just Eigeman and Taylor hanging out 80% of the time.

^This. I guess how compelling this is to you determines whether or not you'll like this...

fit and working again, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 19:18 (eleven years ago)

barcelona is so good.

i recommend this insane collection of rightwing stillman criticism: http://www.amazon.com/Doomed-Bourgeois-Love-Essays-Stillman/dp/1882926706

adam, Wednesday, 7 May 2014 19:22 (eleven years ago)

one year passes...

25th anniv podcast for Metropolitan

http://www.filmlinc.org/daily/the-close-up-whit-stillman-and-cast-talk-metropolitan/

skateboards are the new combover (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 August 2015 16:24 (ten years ago)

so YOU'RE one of those public transportation snobs!

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 00:52 (ten years ago)

last days definitely the worst of these three. i still love it but it's stilted in a way the others aren't. maybe the acting isn't as good, obviously he writes the least natural sounding dialogue ever but in metropolitan you can kind of suspend disbelief and just live in the dream, in the flow of precocious & perfectly crafted sentences.

best most LOL thing about last days is how it's the period piece least concerned with being a period piece... not that it was outright anachronistic (altho i feel like some of the dudes had 90's hair and the female leads' dresses were too tasteful for '79, like GIS studio 54 1979) but he just didn't really gaf about evoking the 70's, just wanted to write a movie featuring his favourite songs and some well dressed folk, didn't fuss over set design, just throw on some high-waisted pants

flopson, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 01:39 (ten years ago)

when I saw LDOD a few years ago for the second time I also thought it stilted and the first time his limited visual imagination cramped the film. I didn't buy the discos -- they looked like cheap sets. But I wanna watch it again.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 01:45 (ten years ago)

I guess his Amazon pilot didn't get picked up?

Kiarostami bag (milo z), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 01:48 (ten years ago)

I have seen Barcelona and Last Days of Disco. Of these two I enjoyed both, but enjoyed Barcelona more. Neither one was exactly awesome, but they each had their good moments, while their lesser parts were never too long or too bad. Solid B or B+ material, imo.

Aimless, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 03:13 (ten years ago)

XP It did not.

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 04:19 (ten years ago)

man I thought LDOD was so wonderful and Barcelona so dull!

Y Kant Max Read (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 04:48 (ten years ago)

I would recommend watching Metropolitan, Aimless, before you give up on him. It's my favorite.

nickn, Tuesday, 11 August 2015 04:56 (ten years ago)

'damsels in distress' was on film 4 last night. it was hard to know what to make of it. there's an off-putting stilted implausibility to it but greta gerwig plays the part of a daffy snob to perfection. i would have watched it all but it was late and i was too tired.

tayto fan (Michael B), Tuesday, 11 August 2015 12:19 (ten years ago)

three years pass...

man, chloe sevigny in last days! i can't even!!

velko, Wednesday, 30 January 2019 08:28 (seven years ago)

nine months pass...

“East Hampton seagulls are complete morons.”

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Saturday, 23 November 2019 19:16 (six years ago)

I was chuckling to myself the other day thinking about the railroad apartment stuff in TLDoD.

a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 November 2019 19:31 (six years ago)

metropolitan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

flopson, Saturday, 23 November 2019 23:26 (six years ago)

so YOU'RE one of those Criterion edition snobs!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 23 November 2019 23:31 (six years ago)

I don’t watch movies. I prefer a good Criterion essay. That way you get both the filmmaker’s ideas as well as the critic’s thinking.

Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Sunday, 24 November 2019 00:34 (six years ago)

one year passes...

I posted about Last Days above, eight years ago, when I saw Whit Stillman introduce it. I watched it today in advance of a Zoomcast on disco movies.

"I probably liked it as much as I can like a film where every conversation sounds like lines being read." I should narrow that down. Chloe Sevigny's good; she seems like an actual person. Kate Beckinsdale and most of the others are okay--not anybody I know in real life, but they work in the context of the film. The guy I can't stand is the Des character. Not just the character, who I realize isn't supposed to be likeable--I mean the performance, too. Everything. The film would immediately be improved by a performance with a little shading there.

"Great music, of course, and excellent Demme-like coda." The soundtrack is often great, even if it's like a Time-Life disco collection--other than the absence of Donna Summer, the Bee Gees, and a couple of others, it's the Most Famous Mainstream Disco Songs throughout. The two really great musical bits for me are, again, the coda (even though he inserts a cut I don't really get) and Chic's "Everybody Dance."

It's weird how all the gay and black and outlandish Studio-54 characters are relegated to the edge of the frame, while these Whit Stillman types work out their Whit Stillman dramas in the midst of it all. But I guess better that he films what he knows than fake his way through something else. Josh's big disco-will-never-die speech at the end is funny, even if it's nestled in so many layers of irony I'm not sure how to take it.

clemenza, Sunday, 31 January 2021 03:13 (five years ago)

I was going to post Kate Beckinsdale/Parker Posey on the I-get-them-mixed-up thread, till I was reminded that that's about name confusion.

clemenza, Sunday, 31 January 2021 03:14 (five years ago)

I never saw Barcelona, but I would say his 2010s films are more amusing than the ones from the 90s. He's stopped pretending to be a realist, and the colourful art direction helps me swallow the archness. He can't direct anything other than people talking to one another, though; he's like the patrician Kevin Smith.

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 31 January 2021 04:40 (five years ago)

ten months pass...

Metropolitan is a movie I can watch over and over and over.

― windy = white, carl = black (polyphonic)

especially at this time of year

buzza, Monday, 13 December 2021 09:36 (four years ago)

nine months pass...

I watched Metropolitan for the first time since (maybe?) when it first came out (I've been revisiting some '80s / early '90s movies). It was cute and enjoyable – the dialogue is funny, without being too overbearing or precious (not an easy feat, considering the specifics). There are a few real laughs, and the screenplay was clearly polished.

It does have a few issues, though – the movie begins with a brief scene that suggests the rest of the story is a flashback, but the "framing narrative" doesn't come back up at the end(?). Also, the most interesting character disappears 2/3 of the way through. The movie ends somewhat abruptly, and feels like it needed at least one more scene to wrap up both these loose ends. Maybe it was an artistic choice (on both counts), but it leaves the impression that maybe they just ran out of money...

Also, the direction and "tech specs" are mighty ruff; just a few notches above a student film (that's a true indie, I guess). I assume Stillman's directing got better – I think I saw his next two films, but don't remember much about them. He does get good (if somewhat stilted) performances out of this cast, who seem to have been mostly amateurs.

Linkin Bio (morrisp), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 20:25 (three years ago)

You need to watch his last two films.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 20:26 (three years ago)

What is it with Stillman's dialogue where specific scenes finally become hilarious the 10th or 11th time you hear them? The one from Barcelona is my current fave:

Ted Boynton: There's a lot of anti-NATO feeling here.

Fred: Anti what?

Ted Boynton: Anti-NATO.

Fred: ANTI-NATO?

Ted Boynton: Yeah... Well, actually here it's OTAN.

Fred: They're AGAINST OTAN?

Front-loaded albums are musical gerrymandering (Prefecture), Tuesday, 4 October 2022 21:54 (three years ago)

A friend of mine mildly admired Metropolitan until I told him that it is intended to be a period piece. He preferred it as the story of an anachronistic group of sheltered, cultured young people in the late 80s.
Though I suspect Stillman is sloppy about chronology, the mention of The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie would have to make it at least 1972.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 05:27 (three years ago)

isn't there a boombox in one of the final scenes in metropolitan?

Animal Bitrate (Raw Patrick), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 07:10 (three years ago)

Stillman wanted to set the film in the past, possibly in the pre-Woodstock 1960s, but the budget did not allow for a strict period film to be made. Instead, he added period details to give the film an "aura of the past", like vintage Checker Cabs, and generally excluded anything too specific to the present day.

flopson, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 08:34 (three years ago)

that period ambiguity elevates the film to a classic, and also adds a surreal element that, for example, Damsels In Distress intentionally heightens

imago, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 08:41 (three years ago)

(which is also mandatory viewing)

imago, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 08:41 (three years ago)

Were there car-rental chains in the '60s?

There may be one or two vintage cabs (which I think were still on the road anyway?), but also regular, late-model taxis... nothing in the movie struck me as ambiguous in terms of time period. Also, the characters' central concerns – decline of their social status, changing social norms – seemed specific to the late '80s, and sync up well with the end of the Reagan era (recession is mentioned). But maybe people like that, to the extent they "really exist," would have had the same anxiety in the '60s. Maybe they still do today!

They're obviously a weird, cloistered sect but (IMO) it's almost more "fun" to imagine them existing like that in the '80s than it would be if Stillman had the $$$ to achieve a period setting.

Linkin Bio (morrisp), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 14:27 (three years ago)

There have been car rental chains for about as long as there have been cars. Hertz goes back to the 20s, at least.

an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 15:04 (three years ago)

idk I took the timeline seriously. If the film came out in 1990, then the film is set in the early to mid '80s. The anachronism of deb balls coincides with the Reagan era's sudden interest in silly costumed customs.

Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 October 2022 15:12 (three years ago)

i put it (anachronisms aside) in the late 60s or so, to jibe with audrey rouget's appearance in the last days of disco. obviously the taylor nichols character in tldod and barcelona is a time traveler or djinn of some sort. this is now WSCU (whit stillman cinematic universe) canon.

adam, Wednesday, 5 October 2022 15:26 (three years ago)

two years pass...

The soundtrack is often great, even if it's like a Time-Life disco collection--other than the absence of Donna Summer, the Bee Gees, and a couple of others, it's the Most Famous Mainstream Disco Songs throughout. The two really great musical bits for me are, again, the coda (even though he inserts a cut I don't really get) and Chic's "Everybody Dance."

Yes indeed. If the film is set in "the very early 1980s," then I'd expect to hear....dance songs from the very early 1980s, not "Le Freak" and "Shame."

I'm glad this film represents the end of a method.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 24 July 2025 10:01 (seven months ago)


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